This is the lake management lake management meeting will come to order at 7 p.m. And if there's anybody else recording this meeting, please notify me as the chair and we'll continue on 700 p.m. on the
dot. Okay. The uh minutes from the last meeting that would be from June 12th. Hopefully everybody's had a chance to read them. I didn't see anything in there, Dick, that uh off to me. So once unless
somebody else has comments, I recommend we uh accept them. Okay. No other comments. Anybody move? All right. Speak to the motion. And that's Norm. All in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Unanimous. I got a rundown.
Norm Chver. Hi. Mike Kums. Hi. Mike Devet. Hi. Dick Gran's eyes. Scotty Graves. Hi. Eric Mueller. Hi. Paul Murphy. Hi. And Paul Yok is going to join us shortly. He's in route. You okay?
Primecom update. Norm. Yes. Short one. There was nothing on the last agenda involved the lake. There was nothing on the last Sfield agenda that involved the lake, but I
wanted to update you on North Pond tours that the Conservation Commission is has started. We started on May 14th. We've had 17 tours.
We found 32 violations total. The most significant one in quantity is littering. Just about every time you go in, there's litter. But we've had nine instances of destruction of property. Wow. And it's
it's all cutting down the snow fence that we put up to close one of the trails. Wow. What kind of snow fence is it? Is it wood or or the plastic? It's plastic. Plastic. All those orange things. Yeah. So,
and it's interesting. Uh, now on one particular day, normally I when I go, I go out in the morning, but on one of the hot days, I decided to go out on a Saturday at 2:00 p.m. And I found seven violations in that one
trip. And it was was an eye opener for me. There were 20 boats that were on the shore at King's Beach. H several of them were above the high water mark which they can't it's illegal to do that.
Yeah. There were another dozen that was in the cove uh but not on King's Beach and they were at the shoreline also and the grills on shore which is violation flotation devices on ground.
You guys have any cameras there yet? Not yet. We we have one in our possession for trial, but we don't have it upstalled yet. So, was the police chief notified? Oh, I sent to I got home. I was I was smoking when I got home.
Sent him an email that Saturday afternoon saying, "You better have boots on the ground on Sunday." Yeah. Yeah. They're doing He hasn't responded to our email yet. Yeah. They're doing that down in Michael. They're all pulling up. They're wiping out the shoreline. It's just Yeah. They just feel that that's a
that that's privilege. Yeah. I don't know. Well, if you chase them out of there, they'll be down down the south pond and they'll be southeast. Yeah. Where you know bridge. Yeah. Pine, right? And there, right? And there's sign I noticed I was paddle boarding earlier this week and I noticed uh fresh
signs on on the end of south of South Pond. Uh you know, big no no big red no trespassing signs. Wow. Huh. Well, once they're on the land in that end, that would be Sfield Police. Yeah.
Right. But if the boat's half and half, it's quite steep. It's quite steep. Do something about it also. Yeah. Southward can do it if they're on in the water, right? Yeah. They're half and half. So, yeah. So, they can get them. They don't. And the EPOS's
soon as you got your your butt in the water, you're in mass. Well, that's the you're saying on the Connecticut side. I'm sorry I didn't hear that, Eric. On the Connecticut side, they put up no trespassing signs on the on the end of South Pond. On the south end of South Pond, there's a
series of uh very visible uh red and white no trespassing signs. All of the land that's not developed, right? Yeah. I actually told him that a year or two ago. I says, "You're sticking your neck out because people were, you know, with the rope swings and everything else." I told him, I said, "Somebody going to get
hurt on your property. You ought to consider it." Yeah. Maybe that's something must have happened for him to to do that to do that to Yeah. And there's a lot of people on Babs Beach after hours, too. But yeah, they don't seem to do anything about
they put up no parking signs all along there. But I was there when the kids were closing the other night and the people that were still parked in there, they told them they had to leave and they just went across the street and parked and still walked down to the beach. They never left. I've seen it, too. I don't know if it's closed or not,
you know. Yeah. So, I don't know any update on that on that 158 Birkshire. Did Kong come take any action on those? Well, we decided just to keep an eye on them. All right. Because we didn't Did they file their their uh Not yet. I got to take
some pictures. Okay. I got a little busy. Haven't been able to get out and take the pictures yet. That's coming. Yeah. And the other is on South Pond where that house burnt down. Yes. They've cleared all that land now, too. I don't
know if if Sufffield got involved in that, Mike, did you notice that? It's all cleared out. It's all cleared. I haven't seen any any work going on there, but I haven't seen any to build a house there. Yeah. The one
concern I mean, that's all the whole a little bit about it. Yeah. One concern I have is that is that they clear Yeah, they cleared the land, but they cleared the whole hillside. They took all the vegetation off the hillside. And my concern is that that vegetation is what
retains the hillside when it rains. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't notice if there was a silk fence there either. There isn't. There isn't. I was just there yesterday. I was just there yesterday paddle boarding, you know, so it was nice and slow. I could see everything.
And no, there's no silt fence. Okay. All right. I'll check that one out. We don't want to keep adding work to you, but it's unfortunate it falls under concom, you know. Yeah. They they may just not realize that that that vegetation is what retains their hillside. And if they take the vegetation out and we get some
rain, it's coming into the lake. Yeah. Well, right. We're not happy it's going into the lake, but they're going to lose, you know, there's a lot of land there to start with. Yeah. I don't know who owns that now. But it was um was AOT. It was AOT. No, no, it's been sold
twice. So was AOT was sold to another couple who I met. They sold it this year and they bought a different piece of property on South Pond, one with a house and they sold it to a new owner who's got two boats on the on the dock there. Okay, we'll check it out. There isn't
much vegetation on that hill. If there wasn't Now there isn't any. Now it's zero. Yeah. So that's the concom update. Yeah. From master plan. Uh we haven't had a meeting since uh our
last meeting. But I did uh complete my uh I think I told you I had to was asked to show the measurement package to three different committees. Did us, I did finance, you know, I did economic development and conservation.
Uh no, nobody stood up and says it's crazy. the idea. So, I imagine we'll probably approve that going forward at our next meeting in July. Yeah. Great. All right. Good news. And if you have some words that you want to send me that you what you like to include in here. Okay. For both.
And we received what you sent out. You did. Email. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Here it comes. Paul. Okay. There's your name. All righty. Next on the hit parade, u
water quality information. Eric, maybe you um can give us some insight what Ken Ken Wagner sent. Yeah. Uh that email.
Okay. So which so the one the one that he sent talked about the request for LB LRM models by DP got him thinking about uh we're far enough into the treatment to compare model predictions with actual
data right so that um look you know we we can sort of do this as um you know as helpful citizens of Massachusetts you know it it's not going to get us anything um you know so I I I
I provided a bunch of data to them. Uh connected them up with Ken. Ken's provided additional data and as he went through it, he said, "Hey, you know, we could do some model comparisons, which I think would be a perfectly good thing for us to do." With regard to providing the data to the state, they won't really
give us anything for that, but but it's perfectly fine for us to do that if we can help them. the person I spoke to from the state. Um, she's she's kind of new to it, but she's she's got a lot of things going. She's trying to be very helpful. Most of the lakes she's dealing
with have a different set of issues than we have. Most of the lakes she's dealing with, their issues are external loading issues. Basically, development around the lake involved and there's a lot of surface inflows into the lake.
And so they're getting a lot of of uh phosphorus and things coming in. That's not our problem. That's not the nature of our problem. So she and I had a whole discussion and most of her stuff has to do with coping with those problems which
are sort of not our problems. And she said, "Well, it seems like you guys have, you know, kind of, you know, come up with solutions that seem to be working." I said, "Yep, we kind of do. we have some infalls that we still want to put flow separators in. I talked to her about that and I told her, you know,
we have data to show that those are been extremely effective. You know, part of the reason we don't have an external loading problem is because of all that work that went on through S319 grants. Um, you know, so shared that. Um and
then just the general update, you know, continue taking data, you know, just just did so again that we clarity wasn't so good and it it's actually improved now again and uh and and even has improved a little bit since last week
when I did uh when I did sampling. So do you think that's all the rainfall that we had? The the suspicion it you you always got to be careful because there's so many different things going on. um you know, biological and chemical in the lakes. But but that when Ken and I
talked about he said, "Yeah, you know, we had a very very rainy spring. You know, we may have just had a lot of stuff get brought in and and it seems like it's calming down a bit." Um you know, again, the the biggest thing now that limits our clarity is the owl
life. Yeah. and we don't really have anything there's no there's nothing practical to do about there is something you could do about it but it's draconian we wouldn't do it so um so that you know so far so good Ken
is interested he's thinking about uh taking this data that we've got going back against the model that was used to calculate what the how much in um alum we should be putting down and basically
you know now we've got five years of data because we have been taking data we've got five five years of data he may start to compare that to the model and that would be that would be both interesting just in general for people in the limnology community and
interesting for us because you know we have this general assessment that this treatment should be good for about 20 years you know and we'd like to know if it looks like it's only going to be 15 or if it's going to be that would be good to know ahead of time. So, so it's certainly something we
want to support. And as far as giving data to the state, absolutely we'll we'll share data with them. It's just not clear that they'll that you know that that's going to lead us to funding for things that we want to do. I did while I had her I bent her ear about you
know we we really it would be served not just Kongaman lakes but there's a lot of lakes in Massachusetts especially western Mass that would be well served by having the ability of the state to be able to do dredging in shallow waters
you know and you know you've been pitching this for years and I said you know we talked to companies that do this and they were saying geez with the amount of work you guys have instead of hiring us, you probably should just buy a machine and do it. That's what they
were going to do, right? And and you know, so I did bend her ear about that. She certainly has no objection to it, but it's not like she has control of over any funding either. So, so it it's certainly good if you have a
name that you've been speaking. Uh yeah, I gota I got to look it up. But yes. Yeah. concern. It's certainly good if people in the state, you know, get the idea this is a good idea. Um, you know, so if somebody from the state legislature asks them, they'll go,
"Yeah, that's a good idea." But, uh, that doesn't get us funding. And she's in Mass D. Yeah. Hang on. Okay. So, uh, I've got her. So, it's, uh, it's Holly Brown show. She's in the watershed
planning program in Mass D. Wow. Okay. Sounds like she's a TMDL analyst and really a terrific person to talk to. Um, you know, she
was, you know, great to talk to. Like I said, the the problems she's mostly working are different than than the problems we have. But um but you know, if we can help her and I told her, you know, we'd be willing we'd be very happy to help and share uh with other lakes,
you know, what we've done and what's worked well and what have you, you know, because I think Kangaman Lakes is kind of a success story. Yeah. Um you know, in in in a lot of way. And it's a it's a success story not just as an event but
as decades of of involvement. You know the S319 grants the you know the ongoing monitoring the when we had algae blooms how quickly we responded to that stuff our engagement with the community getting support to you know to get the
funding for the alum treatment. All these things are just sort of, you know, really very good success stories compared to a lot of what she deals with. So certainly, you know, we're happy to share that and hopefully somebody goes, "Geez, these guys are successful. Maybe we give them more
money and they continue to be successful." Yes. Okay. That's excellent. Um, all right. So, moving on. That gets us to page 13
which is uh the beginning of 159 Birkshshire and you can see the the dialogue and comments that um you made Eric and
then Norm made on between 13 and 14 that you know this thing's just hanging hanging on. And then as requested at the last uh meeting, I I forwarded to again um asked Nicole to get the select board
involved because we're not we haven't seen anything come out of, you know, a real schedule of commitment. Did I understand that Ry's leaving? Yes. Yeah. So that you know, so that so that's another problem, right? because
the responsibility for this got shifted over to Randy and now Ry's leaving. So, we're going to lose the continuity. Yeah. He's gone, isn't he? Already gone. No, he leaves. Um, from what I understand, it's July 8th is his last
day. Okay. Yeah. So, so we're going to lose continuity right in the middle of this thing. Well, we shouldn't because what we should do is ask them to do a warm hand up before he leaves though. We can bring someone up to speed, get all the documentation over to them. That's
the way you do it in business. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just not seeing evidence of it. Well, we should ask them to. Yeah. Well, I think that could be could come out of um maybe that I could do a follow on. Actually, what I want to do I've been Nicole is out. She's at uh some
training sessions. She's due back tomorrow and my I went in to see her yesterday. Today she's still out on training, but she'll be in tomorrow. So, I was going to walk this in and and have a chat. So, that's a good point. It's a handoff.
Do we know who it is? No. Oh, that's one reason to ask. Yeah. And put TBD hand off. TBD. Okay. And yeah, sorry. Sorry I'm not physically there. I'm dogsitting.
Hey, we have priorities. Yeah. Okay. The U Army Corps um hydraulic grant. So, I just processed a reimbursement for 12,269.36. um and they're keeping up with it. So,
we're that that is working that system is working quite well and we've got money. I also just to give you an idea, we were able to earmark money just in case the hydraulic grant
went bye-bye. So there was uh 125 added to our budget and I did a PO uh for that in case it suddenly dries up, you know, so that we're not left with no money. We can't take any action. Okay. The
difference is uh that would fund solitude to do treatments, but it doesn't fund all that analysis that uh Stantech does the EF. Yeah, that one edna. Um,
so at least we're covered. Mhm. And you know, as you Let's see, the next thing was the uh the hydrauline weed pages 23 and on. So, we've had a couple
inputs. People are seeing um Eurasian waterm oil in North Pond, in South Pond, uh in South Pond by Sunset Drive by the end of Sunset in North Pond over in the Cove over there.
Not to be it's not unexpected, but they did they already did one assessment. You have a copy of that map, right? Um but they're doing another assessment assessment this coming week. Okay. And they did it. The hope was
and and this is trying to get used to how do how fast does hydrillaa grow? It doesn't grow at the same rate as the Eurasian watermill foil and curly pondweed is different. Those three are different. But curly leaf and and Eurasian watermill foil are close enough
so that when they do the assessment um it's okay. But when they did it, they didn't see that much hydrilla. So, they're going back now and they're going to assess reassess the the three ponds. And that's supposed to happen this
coming week. Mhm. Now, does anyone in particular, maybe Eric knows, kick in because of the heat we've had? We've had three days of 95 to 100. Eric, does does that uh stimulate that growth?
Does heat that we had amount of for some of the weeds? It does. I don't know for these. The other thing to remember though is we started with the water pretty cold. So, this heat wave is more kind of brought the water up to like
roughly normal temperature for now. So, so the fact that we started cold probably means that the heat wave won't have made a big effect on the growth on the growth rate because we normally would have been almost this warm now anyway. And that's part of why when they
did the assessment the water was not as warm yet as it as it normally would be when they you know that's dumb. You can't just pick a date, you know, right? Uh but they've been trying to work between Stanton and
Solitude. So that it it helps both you know the data that they get is is valuable to both parties. So at any rate um we will see another map coming and yes they will treat you
know just so that everybody knows if anybody asks um there's been rumors that we're not treating the lake. That's not true. It is going to be treated. It has to be treated in in a timely manner. It will be treated
probably um mid July. It will probably be the second week in July. And again, a lot of that's due to the water temperature being lower than normal this time of year. So, uh cold wet spring. Yeah, sure has been.
They uh just give you some an update. They we did have I did have input about uh another dredge program that was available and and it's due on June 30. I
have yet to be able to get to my emails of 21 years of emails and they're still horsing around. They say yes and you know show me the money. Put it on make it available. Oh, cuz otherwise we start
from scratch. And there was a lot of research that went in that and and a lot of work that you did, Ken did, I did. There's literally hundreds of hours of that went into that that thing and I don't want to repeat that. So, I don't
know that we're going to be able to get like I know we're not going to be able to get it in by June 30th because I would have had to have the email this week uh to to even have a chance of putting it together for for Monday. Uh but we are still on the docket. We're
still trying to get the money through uh Senator Paul Mark, which is fine. If we get it that way, that's good. That's equal. Mhm. So, I will continue to uh try to get uh the senator
and you know, see who else can help us get that money that way as an earmark. Uh let's see. Nicole hasn't been able to help you get that those old old emails. Yeah. Or she told who to do it and it's
still not done. Okay. Census. Is anybody working it? because it it sounded like there was an equally resistance to doing it at all. Right. And and uh Doug Mgan said he will do it
and he's doing it on his own time. I mean, he came in. The other part of the problem is I'm supposed to get my computer replaced because it's like talking to a cement block. It's it's getting very old and slow. and he
tried and he loaded a bunch of them, but it's like watching grass grow, you know. So, at any rate, he said he will continue uh trying to load it. The data exists. It's not that it's gone,
but uh getting it back in is a very very slow and and tedious process. So, he wanted he made a a thing to Nicole um about they they are supposed to get
me a new computer, replace the the cement block that's there. Yeah. And that has not yet happened. So anyway, um census or boat. Yeah, the boat census.
So, I have got we want to do the the boat census and we need volunteers to do north pond. Middle pile for you. Middle and south. I'll do middle pond. All right. Here's middle. I can give you some extra copies. So, be are you do north? Yeah. Mike and I will do south.
Okay. So, I'm going to give you a couple of There's a couple of copies for south. Um there's another one for middle. I'll hold for Okay. like the middle of July. Good timing of it. Yeah, middle of July. We don't want
it to go too late. They're still going in, right? And they were late this year. I mean, the the uh marinas were not full. No, too was behind. Even South Pond, he wasn't full either. We won till after the port. Oh, I think we got definitely
wait till middle in last night at midnight. Legit. Yeah. How are we going to be practicing? This is the latest I've ever done it for a lot of stickers. Same thing. Same thing. It's not unbound. I don't have my PWC in yet. Not even in the No, there's a lot of boats
aren't in here. Yeah. A lot of docks with nobody home. Yep. Yeah. All right. I'm going to be interested to look at the count uh because I know of one specific change that happened in PWC's in South Pond. So, I want to see
if it gets caught. All right. Um, does anybody else have anything? I have a question on the cheats, though. Last last year after we did them, we went back through and changed a whole bunch of things. Is there anything sticks up to you, Norm, you were doing that we got to pay attention to? Get the
right kind of rap do whatever float. The issue was, wasn't it boys? No boys. I don't think so. I think it was how how Um, I thought it was how something was being
counted. Yeah, wasn't it? Like the kayak docks and um PWC docks and that sort of thing. Lifts and things. Yeah, we talked about the PWC docks, including the new flotation. Flotation ones drive up on
they're lifts. They're lift. Are they considered a lift? Yeah, I mean we have to for this purpose. Okay. It's another it's another dock. Basically, on another matter, I we don't charge for them. I have one quick question.
How does anybody know to call Rick's portaotties if there's a problem with one of those portaotties? There's no signage on the thing that I see. They notify us. Well, I'll I can ask the company. The company before
would not put their names on them. I will ask. We have a new company. We got rid of the one that was doing it. It was so bad. Well, for what it's worth, I'm at the one today at Berkshire Avenue. The the supposed to be a a uh sanitizing
thing ripped off the wall that's gone. The toilet was toilet. You wouldn't want to sit on this thing because I'd crap all over it. So, I'm saying, geez, almost twice a week and almost out out of toilet paper. So, somebody needed to address it. That's all I'm saying. Right. But they clean it twice a week
and and I saw no phone number. I'm not going to clean it. You're not No, no, I don't expect it. And I'm not going to clean it either. But I didn't, you know, I thought I would have seen an 800 number to call to say, "Hey, no, that's that's not right because they're we own
them. They have to let us know." And and I get that. I have people our ramp if they let the ramp attendant know, they call me then I can call them because we can't have the public spending our money. Okay. Do we have anybody south
ponds? Do we have anybody on on the south uh ramp collecting money? Yes. Every day? No. No, not every day. Just the weekend. A lot depends if it's busy. Yeah. Also, I don't I only had one other person. Yeah. So, I was very thankful
when it was raining and cold. Right. I've got I just got I had three I mean Yeah. three of us and now I've got four. So, North Ramp was being I'm taken care of. But I saw the problems itself. Yeah.
So, it's used a lot by the PWC guys. That's that's their home base now. So, not a lot you can do because there's nobody there, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm working on it. Good. Yeah. But tough to get people.
Yeah. And in the same process that that uh we're get trying to get my emails, the same problem. I think the only question I have is maybe Paul might know uh you didn't ask but CRC update. I know the chief I believe made the last
meeting. Yes, he did. Was anybody here at that meeting? I was there. I I did not make it. You did. Did it go well? I think he was well received. I don't think there was any new information. Okay. Um we got the bow parade coming.
Yeah. And Michelle's Yeah. Hopefully on top of that. Yeah, both Jake and I probably they both permits are all done. Are they doing live music up top this year? Yeah. Devs, I believe. So, good. Yeah, that's I saw
that in one of her emails. And and uh Yeah. Okay. And yeah, so I knew the Jeep was coming. Unfortunately, I was out of town. I wanted to go and ask them if they're actually going to do anything, but I wasn't there. Yeah. I make a motion to adjurnn if we're all
done. I'm I'm pushing because I got to be someplace else. All right. Is there anybody up? I apologize for that. All right, Scotty. Second is Paul M. All in favor? I opposed. Stain
apologize.