WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=YavATQd62oM NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: YavATQd62oM): - 00:00:00: Meeting Commences, Roll Call, and Minute Update - 00:00:48: ConCom Update: Wall Modifications and Erosion Fixes - 00:02:18: EMPC Progress and CRC Permit Delays Discussion - 00:03:42: Addressing 129 North Lake Avenue & Boat Sticker Mishap - 00:05:24: 141 Congamond Road: Liquor License and Dock Update - 00:08:54: Hydrilla Grant Review, Task Four, Follow-Up Funding - 00:10:33: Hydrilla Dead Fish DNA Question and Approval - 00:12:55: NCMS/NRCS Flooding Cultural Assessment Project Update - 00:14:47: Cove Dredging, State Engineering Firm Water Plans - 00:17:29: 159 Bergkshire Avenue, 157 Feeding Hills Road Update - 00:21:11: Sunk Truck Removal Discussion, Photos, Articles - 00:25:16: Turtle Cove Property Access and Dock Dispute Overview - 00:36:30: Noise Complaint Update from Boat Ramp Neighbor - 00:38:53: Navigation Buoys: Adding Weights, Bricks and Test - 00:42:59: Motion Made, All in Favor, Adjourned at 7:42 Part: 1 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:15.280 All right. All right. Kick it off. >> This is the lake management meeting come to order at 7 PM. Meeting is being recorded. Anyone else recording must notify the chair already did. Uh attendance run down the Norm Chver >> here. >> Mike Kums here. 2 00:00:15.280 --> 00:00:31.199 >> Malcolm Debet here. Mike Deet >> here. >> Dick Randles here. Scotty Graves >> here. >> Eric Mueller >> here. >> Paul Murphy >> here. >> Paul Yokum >> here. >> Okay. Got full house. All right. And we do not have the minutes because u Ellen was not able to get them ready. She's on 3 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:48.719 vacay and she was kind enough to come on and get us started. >> Okay. >> Oh no. >> Uh >> oh. And so concom update is up for bid first. >> Okay. I guess a short one tonight. Uh 150 142 4 00:00:48.719 --> 00:01:07.320 Bergkshire A. We we had priority fire had approved an NOI. They came in and added a modification. They originally up two stone walls. Now they're approved just putting one wall in. 5 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:28.880 I did a presentation or an update on uh to Concom on NRCS the four alternatives 159 Bergkshire Avenue. Just to let you know, he's the area that he scarfed to take out the sand. He's now put LOM in. So, I assume 6 00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:45.680 he's going to see every area that put sand out on. And that is the Concom update. Oh, no. One other thing. Brighten Avenue. Uh there's an RDA to the town to 7 00:01:45.680 --> 00:02:01.840 fix the uh erosion that took place last September due to uh one of the storm drains that overflowed and did some serious damage and >> looking to get an update from them on 8 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:18.480 one that's going to be fixed. >> The Conservation Commission in Sfield canceled their last meeting, so I don't have any update from there. Okay, >> that's it on Hong Kong. >> Yep. >> Okay, next is Empic. 9 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:33.840 >> Emp is told you we were signed up to complete 20 items by the end of June and we had done 16 last night. We approved number 17. And today in the email got an email for 10 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:49.200 two more which leaves us one left with the planning board and they're scurrying to try to make that. So we got a shot at making that >> good. >> Yes sir. >> And okay and we'll get to 11 00:02:49.200 --> 00:03:07.040 I think Yeah. So what's next in that are the pages and everybody has an action item. pages 6 through um 12. >> Okay, that's what we what we've signed up to 12 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:23.040 do. And what everybody needs to look at is the timing, the actual actions, the timing, see if we're still in sync with those, how you feel about them and and we will talk about it at the next meeting. But that's an action item for 13 00:03:23.040 --> 00:03:42.640 everybody. and CRC update. Do we do you have anything? We haven't had a meeting since >> Oh, no meeting since >> once a month. All right. Okay. 14 00:03:42.640 --> 00:04:00.239 We still have to get the uh they need to get the permits for the July. They have not done those. No. Can I remind it again? Okay. 129 North Lake A. Um, do you know 15 00:04:00.239 --> 00:04:14.720 anything any update on that one? >> I have no update on it. >> No update on it. Uh, because I mean it's kind of like a catch 22. uh don't know how to how to fix it 16 00:04:14.720 --> 00:04:32.560 because you got three none of which are fully in front of the owner's property and the two are definitely not in front of and they far exceed 600 square f feet. So, I'm not sure how they could even get a a 17 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:51.199 chapter 91 license. So, we'll we'll see. Um, one thing more on that. I see the boat stickers are smaller now. >> Yeah, slightly. >> Oh, I peel it off. I go to put it on. I peel it off. Then I look like what? 18 00:04:51.199 --> 00:05:08.240 Right now I try to put it back on. Well, I probably had it upside down on the other side of the thing. Now I try to peel it back off. I'm taking paper. >> Oh, you turned the paper. You You flipped the paper. It was on the side. >> Was on the release side. >> Put it on the wrong side. >> Get it back off. Trying to get it to 19 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:24.800 stick on the boat. said, "This is turning into a disaster." But I guess I got enough of it on. >> Okay. I think it was probably >> after I peeled the other ones off. >> Yeah. >> I said, "I'm not going to have green and blue and all these colors showing." I >> the um 20 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:41.680 141 Kongaman Road. Just got an update on that >> today. um the license the uh >> liquor license >> liquor license went through >> and so he withdrew the same day. Uh this was on Wednesday. It went through in the 21 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:57.840 morning. Everything was cleared in the morning. So he withdrew the request to change the the uh transient dock to uh rental >> because he would then have >> old transient doc that was deleted. That was it to make Yeah, it was going to be all transit. 22 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:14.000 >> He was going to add, >> but he'd have to reduce >> get the original 40 that he was trying to get over there. >> He would have to reduce the number of parking spaces for the restaurant. >> Oh, >> and the spaces inside in the restaurant. >> Yeah. >> You see, he line striped it. >> He lines. Oh, good. Good. 23 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:29.440 >> So, we're talking the owner now of the property did all this. He got the owner. >> Now, I don't know who got it. Oh, I >> was going to say cuz he's written it out again to somebody. Yeah. I don't know who actually it's listed under. >> What is the other guy out of business? You're saying he's went out to somebody 24 00:06:29.440 --> 00:06:45.120 else. The guys that had it last year, they're out. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's changed. >> Yeah. >> Two or three times now. >> Two or three times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, so Dick, before we get on the subject, I want be clear where we're at. Originally, he had 10 that were rented. 25 00:06:45.120 --> 00:07:03.919 >> No. So, there were 20 20 rentals, 20 transient. He applied to have the 20 transient turned into 20 rentals. >> Did he first apply to have more like four or five of them turned into rent rentals? Heat. No. What he applied for last year was to be able to exchange 26 00:07:03.919 --> 00:07:20.080 basically be able to have some of the some of the um docks, some of the uh transient spots be able to be used for full-time rental in exchange for having some of what were full-time rental slots 27 00:07:20.080 --> 00:07:37.360 be able to use for transient, which which was fine. I understood why because of a water depth problem. So, that that was granted. Then this year he went and asked to have all of the transients and have them turn into permanent rental and he he's retracted that because there's 28 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:51.919 now a liquor license and so there's now somebody to operate the space and so if he had continued with that what would have happened is that would have reduced the number of parking spaces available for the restaurant which then would have 29 00:07:51.919 --> 00:08:08.560 reduced the number of people that they were allowed to have in the restaurant. But he's the same number he started with for this year. Yes. Last year. But he's got them on both docks. So they're on both ends. >> Well, that but I I think some of that may be because he was anticipating he was anticipating 30 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:25.360 >> you can only have 20 total rentals, >> right? So >> So he got permission for four. >> There's actually six boats there for the last >> No, no, he's got for 20. >> No, no, no. He's he's about on the northern >> transient right chief approved 31 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:40.399 >> and there's picked right now >> right now six fulltime >> right so let's let it settle I have a feeling some of that was him anticipating that he was going to get approval and starting to put votes there >> knows nothing's going to be done about it and that's the money maker in the restaurant >> oh yeah 32 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:54.720 >> well that's why he was going to get >> that's the money maker that ain't so >> restaurant you that that doesn't pay for anything >> well it's trying to recoup his cost of the docks which is huge Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Hydrillaa 33 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:12.160 >> hydrillaa grant. We um we're in the third year. You've got the contract that uh is being reviewed to sign the proposal. It's not a it's not a contract. It's proposal and it's to go for the sum total that's on there. What 34 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:27.360 >> what 68,000 >> 67 754 with task 4. And task four, if you read it, I think it's a good idea. Personally, I'd like anybody else's comments on it. Uh task four is 35 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:44.080 collecting more data, stratifying that data, and and it gives us more information for the future uh as it relates to hydrillaa. It's that's on page 205 of their at the very bottom. >> Okay. 36 00:09:44.080 --> 00:10:00.800 >> So, they're on page 17. I I think we should do that. That's an extra 5k and well worth it >> because it is paid for by the grant and they and the whole thing with oh the other important part is there is a and I 37 00:10:00.800 --> 00:10:15.839 think I passed this on at the last meeting but there is going to be a followup funding uh via another federal agency to continue on hydrillaa addressing hydrillaa. So, um, the my 38 00:10:15.839 --> 00:10:33.600 contact that's at DCR will was keeping me informed and as soon as we know what that who's going to do it and how and and whatnot, but it'll again be through DCR. Is this approved? >> No, we we I what I want to do is have a 39 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:50.480 motion to approve going through task four. >> Question before we go in here. Um, as Ken weighed in on this dead fish thing they're going to use to make sure we're not going to contaminate us forward into you ahead of us we did with the ale whites or whatever the hell they are. 40 00:10:50.480 --> 00:11:06.399 >> Yeah. Where is that? >> They those were put in there as bait fish. >> Yeah. Whites were put in. >> This is what This is a dead bait fish you're using, right? >> We're going to use that as little test two. Are you where you 41 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:22.880 >> What's to you? What page are you on? >> Using dead bal those. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I see it. Okay. Yeah, that's page 16 right there. >> 16. The DNA spike. >> Yeah. Using dead bal right here. >> Yeah. What is that? >> Fish as a controlled DNA source. >> They're using that as a control 42 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:38.079 >> Oh, control DNA source. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what they're doing, but putting them in they're putting them in a lake. I know that. I just want to make sure we're not walking ourselves into a problem that we're going to regret later on. That's >> a good question. >> All right. I think what we should do is 43 00:11:38.079 --> 00:11:54.079 vote on it minus we we're going to raise that issue and I will do that. So task two >> maybe ask a Ken Wagner kind of guy that knows that task two um B A L L Y 44 00:11:54.079 --> 00:12:10.639 H O >> T ending. >> Well well that's how we put those other fish in there. These are dead, right? >> Yeah. >> But they won't reproduce. >> No, they definitely will not reproduce. >> Just make sure that it's not going to be any kind of a 45 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:26.480 >> pollutant or something. >> Pollutant, you know. >> Anyway, let's let's just Yeah. Yeah. But let's approve it >> minus the question. We'll get a a motion. >> Good. >> Okay. So, let's >> to approve it. >> Malcolm's 46 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:41.279 second. Somebody >> I'll second it. Mike D just thing weighs in or somebody with some knowledge on that. >> Yeah, good idea. Yep. >> Okay. And all in favor? >> Opposed? Abstain? 47 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:55.839 Okay. Norm Chver. >> Hi. >> Mike Kums. >> Hi. >> Malcolm Devet. >> Hi. >> Mike Deet. >> Hi. >> Dick Randles. I >> Scotty Graves. >> Hi. >> Eric Mueller. >> Hi. >> Paul Murphy. >> Hi. >> Paul Yokum. >> Hi. >> All right. Affirmed. >> All right. 48 00:12:55.839 --> 00:13:14.880 The NCMS, NCMS, NCR, NRCS, there you go. Flooding issue project is pages 21 through 28. And the latest thing that they just did this past week was the cultural assessment. They required to do a bunch of things uh from MEPA uh for is 49 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:29.760 there anything that's any heritage issues, um any animal issues, anything, you know. So, they've had teams going out and they just did I think it was Tuesday that they went out 50 00:13:29.760 --> 00:13:45.680 and uh and did everything that they had to do. They and they just walked. Uh originally I'd made arrangements for them that they could drive down the rail trail and then they looked at it and they said, you know, we really have to check so much might as well just walk it. >> Yeah. 51 00:13:45.680 --> 00:14:01.440 >> And that's what they did. >> So, >> so that was in addition in addition for the one >> Yeah. that I Yeah. That's why it's a continuum of >> Yeah. >> And we'll hear more uh as they send teams down, >> right, >> to take more data, >> right? And they and they have to do this 52 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:17.600 be to develop all the background information for all of the alternatives, including ones where it looks unlikely that we would explore those alternatives because they have to bring them all to the same state of readiness. >> Yeah. >> And then 53 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:33.600 >> I understand why. It's just there's so many different there are so many different players who who have review authority at each stage that if you don't if you don't take an alternative all the way to that point then one of 54 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:47.920 those reviewers can ask you questions that brought back >> where you got to go redo stuff. So it's frustrating but it >> it's got to be done. >> It has to be done. They know what they're doing. They're doing it. >> Yeah. 55 00:14:47.920 --> 00:15:05.760 So the next thing is the dredging of the cove. And so what you'll see on page 29 and 29 3031. So my communications with this uh >> the senator's office and they're making 56 00:15:05.760 --> 00:15:21.199 arrangements. They they are working with who and when and then they'll let us know some options when we can take them out. >> Yep. And with rain gate, you know, if we have a a terrible day or something, they'll say, "Well, we could do, you 57 00:15:21.199 --> 00:15:38.000 know, Tuesday the and Thursday the >> Okay. And so that's, you know, moving along. Uh, next one is is uh I have an update for this is that mass D 58 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:53.680 CI U, which is an engineering firm that Mass D is contracted with. And so CI engineering um they're doing there's a money available 59 00:15:53.680 --> 00:16:10.160 state money available to do two water-based plans for communities and you had to write a letter which I did. You've got the a copy of the letter in there. Um you've got the on pages um 32 60 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:26.000 33 then 34 and five. Uh, I actually inserted the letter >> and you had it loose in there. Okay, that and that is signed. It's in their hands, by the way. Done. >> And I included, just so everybody knows, 61 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:42.639 I included all of Eric's water quality data, which was the latest one you just sent me. >> Yeah. >> And I also included Ken's uh report >> report, which we have that thick report he did for us prior to the alum treatment. So, uh, we we have literally 62 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:59.519 tons of water quality data and it and you if you read the >> the letter, you'll see what I had to do was identify um what we've done so far, what the what that meant, you know, what were the positive things that came out 63 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:14.959 of doing all that, what do we want to continue to do, and what do we want to look at in the future? Some other alternatives. So, that's when you read the the grant the whole grant thing, you have to answer every question. That's what I did in that letter. 64 00:17:14.959 --> 00:17:29.840 >> Yeah. And and you know, Ken commented, you know, we we tick all the boxes with regard to we've got a very good track record >> for for doing things, those things working and following up. So, we've got 65 00:17:29.840 --> 00:17:46.720 a really good track record. Whether or not that turns into funding for us could depend on some political mechanisms that we have no idea what they are. >> So, you know, so I think, you know, we we've put our best foot forward. >> Yeah. >> And we'll see where >> we got an A for effort, 66 00:17:46.720 --> 00:18:00.559 >> right? And >> might not get a >> Right. So, we don't know. >> But a lot that two page two pages of letter had to be limited to two pages by the way. >> Yeah. We went back and forth on that for a while and 67 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:18.440 >> and word smith the hell out of it. So >> use a smaller font. >> Yeah, >> there you go. That's a good idea. >> I thought he used an eight point font and ship and send him a send him a uh >> a magnifying glass. 68 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:36.640 >> At any rate, you've got it. You can see it. Um, and then the latest thing I just had an email late this afternoon on 159 Bergkshire Avenue from the >> uh the engineer at at DCR. And so I 69 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:52.160 replied, I gave him what he was looking for. >> Yeah. >> More of the history kind of in a small capsule form. And so cuz he made a comment that if they didn't 70 00:18:52.160 --> 00:19:09.120 >> it's it's not >> their jurisdiction if they didn't um >> impound water >> impound the water >> right >> but they did >> and therefore it is within uh DCR's jurisdiction and that's what I had to do 71 00:19:09.120 --> 00:19:25.120 and I actually went back and pulled out some ancient you know historical emails and um you know gave him data from those. So because this has been going on now for years, >> forever. >> Yeah. Years. >> Okay. 72 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:42.559 >> All right. Uh 157 Feeding Hills Road. Um, now Norm, you may know more about that, but I I was speaking with Sabrina today about it and it says they um they 73 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:58.960 are filing an input, I guess it's an RDA to Concom about putting these ramps in. And I said, you know, it's our comment has been the biggest problem is if anything gets loose, it's gonna plug 74 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:16.400 that Feeding Hills Road bridge and and then we're really doodoo. Uh and the So those ramps are aluminum. And so I made a suggestion if they're going to do that that they should be required then to design and install 75 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:33.919 helical screws. uh and a bunch of them so that they are anchored down and and you're not going to pull them loose. You know, water will flow over them, around them, but they won't pull out and wind up >> clogging the the uh opening. So, that 76 00:20:33.919 --> 00:20:50.799 was my offering as a possible solution because those helical screws come all different lengths. We use they're about the ones we use at the boat ramps are probably they're a lot taller than me. So, in fact, they hit the I'd say they're probably seven or eight ft long 77 00:20:50.799 --> 00:21:07.039 before we screw them in. >> And uh so, and they're high helix, so when they go in uh and that's all sand on there, so they're easy to screw in. >> Um but they they really do hold and that would be a way to to make sure that the 78 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:25.360 these things don't come loose. So, you know, I offered that. >> Yep. Um, so maybe you can follow up on it when it, you know, when it comes to uh, concoming, right? >> Well, it's not on the agenda for Monday. 79 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:40.720 >> Okay. I wonder if she's going to modify the agenda. >> Well, she could. >> Yeah, >> she has that ability to do that. >> Yeah. All right. >> Well, let me just say I don't know how I approve I approved an agenda yesterday. The agenda came out today, but I didn't open up my email. >> Ah, okay. There you go. Well, maybe 80 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:56.080 she's already added it. >> Okay. All right. So, at any rate, you might want to look for that and uh because I know they're looking to get moving on it. So, that would be they'd have to have a design. Somebody has to stamp a a drawing, not 81 00:21:56.080 --> 00:22:11.840 just somebody said, "Well, I'm going to screw these things in and to be, you know, two feet long, you know, drive a a post into the ground." Say that's good enough. Um, now the the next thing is that the truck that sank, they pulled 82 00:22:11.840 --> 00:22:29.919 out on the 18th and they had a heck of a time getting it out >> today at the lake >> cuz it was in it was in more than 5t of muck. It was about 18 feet of water and like 200 yards from where we thought it was. >> Well, yeah. Well, and it so it had to 83 00:22:29.919 --> 00:22:46.400 have it had to have moved on the way down as opposed to just dropping straight down. It had to have done some swimming. And the the problem was it was so deep in the mud. The divers couldn't they had a heck of a time trying to get it to surface with the bags on it. 84 00:22:46.400 --> 00:23:02.720 >> Yeah. They looked like they had busted they busted through the windshield and and strapped to the A-pillars. >> Yes. And they so but they had to rock it to keep taking a boat and pulling one way then pulling the other then back and forth >> break the suction. >> But when they got it out 85 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:19.200 >> it was mud all the way up to top of the roof. >> Really >> was covered with mud. >> Yeah. >> That's just amazing. >> What year was the truck? >> 2013 I think 2013 Dodge Ram. I believe >> it still had some value. >> You could see it in it. 86 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:38.320 >> It's got some nice tires. So, um, but anyway, they did get it out. There's lots of photos. I don't know if I put any >> You got behind all kinds of money for that. >> I don't know what's going to happen. You can see the article that's on page >> Yeah. 87 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:54.559 >> uh 40 and 41. Good article on it in the Wetsville News. And you know, we we have u video of it from the boat ramp, you know, from our cameras when it w when it was brought up 88 00:23:54.559 --> 00:24:12.559 to the uh to the boat ramp area because they had to they had to remove the bags in order to bring it between the the the docks. Those the with the bags on, they would have either torn the bags 89 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:27.679 or Oh, the docks >> would have done a number on the docks. >> How far out was that when it went down? >> It was down. It was down a lot further than where we saw it go down was the uh 90 00:24:27.679 --> 00:24:43.760 uh you know where the knee is in the in the uh fishing pier. You know how it has like an elbow in it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. It was basically directly off of that on our cameras >> on the right hand side >> on to the right of it. Yes. To the west of 91 00:24:43.760 --> 00:25:00.240 >> in the main channel >> and it was Yeah. And it was kind of midway between the two shores and it turned out to be now >> like you like Eric said maybe 200 300 feet >> or or something like that south of that. 92 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:16.880 So it had to have >> moved when it was going down. It probably didn't just drop straight down. on that truck on the window. >> One and a dog swim out. >> Yeah, him and the dog got out. >> Yeah, >> he's lucky. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Died easily. >> So, we don't we don't know what's going 93 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:37.279 to happen there. You know, what kind of fines there were. Maybe. Yes. No. Don't know. >> Um >> you okay? >> Okay. >> All right. Um, if there's no other questions on that, the next one is the turtle cove which 94 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:53.600 has been bouncing back and forth between concom and and us. The the problem there that you you can see in pages 42 to 46. You can read the input. So, Dick, let me 95 00:25:53.600 --> 00:26:08.960 um I followed some of this. Let me summarize and tell me if I've got it right or what I'm missing. So, it sounds from what I've been able to read, it sounds like what's happened is going back a long ways, like back to 1982, 96 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:26.159 um, this woman and her family had been getting access to the lake, basically having a dock there because the previous owner of the property didn't mind. >> Okay. And they never applied for >> And there was no Well, and there was no house there, >> right? There was no house there. They uh 97 00:26:26.159 --> 00:26:41.760 they never applied for an LPP permit either, right? Um so so that what they weren't what they were doing was not strictly according to the rules. Um but they were on someone's property who didn't mind. >> Now that property was sold. The new owner has built a house and doesn't want 98 00:26:41.760 --> 00:26:56.880 someone else's dock on his property, right? >> And has told them, "No, you can't do that anymore." >> And and I want to insert one thing. There is a deed access, right, to the water. So, in other words, you can go put your pies in the water. Um, and what 99 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:12.400 it is is it kind of runs down the center of Mayflower and that road and then it goes right to the waterfront. >> What we don't know, one of the questions we don't know is where is that dock that was installed, which is a double dock. 100 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:27.440 It's kind of like a reverse U. >> And um is it blocking water access? do have to traverse the dock to get to the water. >> So, if I understand, 101 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:44.559 so so they basically lost that location, which really they they didn't >> they never had >> they they they've been using it for a long time, but they never had the location in the sense that it was never permitted, right? >> And if they had applied for a permit, we would have had to deny the permit because the land owner would have had to 102 00:27:44.559 --> 00:28:00.720 apply for the permit. >> Right. >> Okay. So, now you got a new land owner who says, "No, I don't want your dock on my land. And so now basically where they would like to put their dock is effectively now on public land. >> Yeah. Sort of. Right. And 103 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:19.120 >> because there's several houses that have that >> right away and >> Mayflower Lane >> and there's Turtle Cove. Turtle Cove >> Southblo >> before you you know um what's the >> south of the of the um >> wife's the hairdresser? 104 00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:35.279 >> No. where they had the the U sand pit. >> It was on that point. >> You know the cove, you know where >> Connecticut Cove? >> Yes. Connecticut. And Roy put a brand new house up there last year. >> So, Right. And they lost their they lost their road and dock and everything else, 105 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:50.399 >> right? And so now what they would like to do is they'd like to place their dock on what is public land. And >> how is it public land? because the the next step over is basically access. It's 106 00:28:50.399 --> 00:29:06.000 access there's there's deed access to get to the water. That's >> in other words. So the and and I think they misread their deed and thinking that access to the water equals I can put a dock there, >> right? >> And the answer is well no. And in fact, 107 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:23.039 you can only put a dock on your property. You can't put a dock on somebody else's property. And there was a discussion in there of well isn't there >> just an easement >> isn't there aren't there squatters rights because we've been doing it for all this time and the answer is yeah no you can't squat there's no such thing as 108 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:40.000 squatters rights on public land >> right >> so so it's a it's a miserable situation >> nobody owns that land though >> Connecticut does the >> right it's effectively a road that goes down to the water >> right >> right the state 109 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:55.279 owns Yes, >> it's goo. >> It's goo next to Roy then, >> right? >> Next to Roy, >> right? And so, and so Roy is not going to give them, you know, he's not going to let him put their dock on his property, >> right? >> So, now that what they'd like to do is 110 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:11.919 put their dock on this property, which isn't their property, and they're thinking that since their deed says that they have deeded access to the water, that that means they have a right to put a dock there. And we're kind of stuck telling them actually no, you're only 111 00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:27.360 allowed to put a dock on your property. >> You can't put a dock on somebody else's property. The property owner has to apply for it. The property owner is the state and the state's not going to apply for that town. >> So on the flip side of the coin, you got all of these rightaways 112 00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:43.440 on the middle pond as an example, right? >> That who owns those properties that associations. So, so in this case, you know, just focusing on this thing, it's a really awful situation because, you know, this person had her her family, 113 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:58.559 they've been using the lake this way for many many many years. >> I was a kid, >> right? And now and now suddenly discovers, wait, I can't do that. And so they're they have this alternative which I mean you know we're not the approving 114 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:15.679 authority in any case but so Dick's been exchanging information with like we don't see any mechanism for how you can do it. >> The dock to the left of this looking at the picture. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Looking out at the lake like that to the left. >> Is that dock? >> No that's their dock right dock that 115 00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:32.000 comes out of the trees over here. >> No this is all Royy's >> dock left in all these years. >> The picture the picture is all Royy's dock. The only other dock >> that's there is to the south. >> Those are we build over there. >> To the south. Yeah. Which is the left side of this picture off the edge of 116 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:47.679 >> but it's you can't even see it because it's >> Well, I know it's still there cuz I saw it the other day. Right. >> And it's been that's the one that was left in the lake couple years in a row. The lake left it there. >> That belongs to a gentleman. Uh >> you see coming through. Is that public land there? >> No, he's got his own land there. 117 00:31:47.679 --> 00:32:03.919 >> No, there there's a house there. >> There is a house there. It's over to the right. All those houses have access to way over here trees. I know it does. >> Anyway, they had to cut swamp. >> Bottom line is the swamp. >> So, the long and the short of it, 118 00:32:03.919 --> 00:32:18.640 >> it's a civil matter. >> Yeah. >> Long and the short of it is we have no LMC has no standing or anything at this point in time >> because it's a different state. >> Well, no. No. Because basically this is 119 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:33.039 not a in other words normally what would happen is let's say somebody applied for a variance >> and and we would look at that concom would approve it or not but concom would ask us to look we would look and comment but in this case there's no variance to 120 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:48.480 apply for it's trying she wants to put a dock on a piece of property that she doesn't own >> hers it is Connecticut >> and it is Connecticut so we have nothing to do with access over the land But once they're in the water, we do. >> Once once they're in the water, they do. 121 00:32:48.480 --> 00:33:04.240 We do. And so even in Connecticut, the land owner would have to apply for an LPP permit or chapter 91. >> And the next guy over that has his dock there, he has it off of one of the small areas where it's it's not all goo. 122 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:19.440 >> And and that's the one that comes in from the south. It's not as bad, you know. >> So, you know, his dock, >> you know, it's a difficult situation. And the the previous land owner basically just let it happen. >> I know it's over here. >> The new land owner. >> Well, 123 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:36.559 >> I can understand he built a house. He doesn't want somebody there. Nobody there building >> be an issue here though. >> Yeah. >> The boat to the left. >> Yeah. >> You take the extended property line. >> Yeah. >> That's a question I would be asked. But 124 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:53.440 supposedly, I asked I was asking Sabrina about that and supposedly that people that somebody pulled the pin that was there because you used to be able to see the pin and it's gone. >> So nobody knows, right? Without a new >> You're asking the question, is the boat 125 00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:11.119 to the left over the property line? >> Right. And it might be it is. >> Okay. That pin get removed with all of that construction there must have got removed by them. Did they get approval for all this? And that's not the dock that they 126 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:26.399 submitted on. >> That's correct. >> They didn't put down all the need. So, so that's >> so that's a separate question. >> Exact that that that's a whole separate question >> and that's all stone by the way that that you're looking at. 127 00:34:26.399 --> 00:34:42.960 >> Right. So, so that's that you're right. You're right. That's an entirely new question, right? That that's that's an what they applied for, >> right? And and that's an LPP question. No, so I think at this point LMC doesn't have any anything to say. 128 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:58.320 >> You know, if they get to the point of actually having a thing, somebody has a survey done, >> then you know, then we might have something to say, but at the moment, we have nothing to say. They they need to try and work out. >> I don't think it's on conservation and the chief, I guess. Well, and and I 129 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:14.079 don't think it's on conservation yet either. >> The problem the problem is is you can't tell because the pin's gone and and we're not going to have it surveyed. You can't tell where the the line is now >> and independent of where the line is. That that's a question for Royy's dock, 130 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:29.040 >> right? >> But for for for this person here, the issue the issue is >> she has no >> they need a place to put a dock and they have to either own that place or they have to have a property owner who is willing by to have their dock on their 131 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:43.680 property. I agree with all that >> and and the there's a misunderstanding that a deed deeded access to the lake is not deed right to put a dock on the lake. It is deeded access to the water. 132 00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:59.280 >> Just like again holiday drive, they had to deed it right to get to the water. Not not to >> put a dock there. That's right. Right. >> So anyway, >> so I feel for her that that's terrible situation, >> but the but it's basically a a civil matter and a and a Southfield matter, 133 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:15.680 >> right? So not not ours. >> The only thing that might be ours is if we ever determine that that boat that's on the left, >> right, >> is over the over the uh not within their property line, >> right? And I and I think that would then be concom. But that's not how they drew 134 00:36:15.680 --> 00:36:30.800 the By the way, >> right? >> The picture that they provided on the application. I looked at it and it shows that that dock is well inside, >> right? >> But it doesn't look like it here. >> But this year, I haven't se Did Did they 135 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:45.440 submit a new sketch for this year? Do you know? >> I don't know. You'd have to ask Sabrina. >> How fun. >> Okay. Okay. The last one is the noise complaint. >> Yeah. And so the the last thing we just got, I I just got it and I didn't even 136 00:36:45.440 --> 00:37:02.000 uh print it for here, but this started with the gentleman who purchased uh directly across from the boat ramp back in 2020. And so then he complained about the the 137 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:18.000 6 a.m. starts uh because they used to we we would allow during the peak summer season for decades. We've allowed the the uh >> fishermanmen to get out earlier so they're off the water 138 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:33.040 >> during peak recreational time. >> Right. >> So at any rate he complained about that. So, we went to a because the town noise ordinance doesn't start till it's 7 in the in the morning till 10 at night. It's reverse 10 at night to 7 in the 139 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:48.880 morning quiet. So at any rate, we made it so they can come in um get their boats launched and and u start out on their journey at 6 at uh 7 140 00:37:48.880 --> 00:38:04.960 a.m. They can't start before 7 a.m. What happened was what what prompted this was one small group and it turned out to be they they had said they were going to have eight boats. Uh they wound up with only six. And when they did it, they 141 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:20.640 went out at 6:30. They didn't go out at seven. And I actually saw them come by and and uh so I spoke with the tournament director and the office of fishing boating access also called them 142 00:38:20.640 --> 00:38:36.400 and said, you know, that's it's right on their permit. You can arrive at 5 at 6, you can't go out until 7. So they violated their own permit, but still complaining doesn't want even at 7. 143 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:53.280 Well, that's when you could go out, you can run your lawn mower, you can go out with a jackhammer, you can do anything you want at 7 o'clock. >> So, >> sorry. >> You know, >> town rules. >> That's that's the town. That's >> So, we're leaving that one alone. I just responded to the latest one on it 144 00:38:53.280 --> 00:39:09.839 >> and just quoted chapter and verse of of uh the town bylaw. >> Okay. So, I think that's everything. That's everything. All right. So, I'm going to make women. Does anybody else have anything with the navigation bows? The leaners. >> Oh, yeah. I tell you, weights on the bottom. 145 00:39:09.839 --> 00:39:26.400 >> We're adding weights on the bottom. >> Yeah. See, >> we're adding uh we're adding seven pounds of weight, either three bricks. Actually, what we had was um Mike Wescott had several uh 10 pound lead weights for for divers. He had a bunch 146 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:44.160 of leftover ones and he's even got >> and he's got a bunch of steel. Um, and then we're we the first one we tried was I tried with three bricks with holes in them. Worked perfect. I went out and I just laid down on the on the LMC boat, 147 00:39:44.160 --> 00:40:02.320 pulled the buoy over to to myself, snap put a snap ring on it, snapped it on the bottom of the buoy, buoy came right up. So that's that's perfect. and that weighed um just about nine pounds with three bricks. So 10 pound weights fine. 148 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:17.760 And so we're looking if anybody's got any bricks with holes in them um you know if if you want to donate >> 25 booties to do, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, what we're going to do is either buy bricks or Mike Wescott is looking he thinks he's got a 149 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:34.160 bunch of bar stock that's 3-inch bar stock. He'll slice it and weld a ring on it. He offered to do that >> and slice it into 10 pound blocks. >> Um, >> let's let's test the 10 pounds first to make sure. >> Well, we know No, I know the 10 pounds 150 00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:48.800 works. >> No, no, no. Works. I want to make sure that with the smallest buoys, it doesn't draw the buoy down. >> Oh, no, it does not. Okay. >> It does not. No, no. Already been there. >> With one that already had a chain on it going down. >> Already had a chain on it going down 151 00:40:48.800 --> 00:41:03.839 already. the one you did the test on. >> It does. It has a lanyard. It doesn't none of them have chains going to the buoy. They all have lanyards. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> There's no buoys that go to chains. >> So, they basically float on their own pretty much. So, >> right. And that was fine when the light 152 00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:20.800 went on. Just that little It's a 1.2 lb, >> but they're all over. >> But they're all laying over on their sides. >> Their sides, >> but as soon as you put that se that weight on stand right up. So there and and it's so easy to do. I've already 153 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:37.280 made I've got probably 10 um setups to we've done um Mark um that that did the lights for us. He went out and did three more. I 154 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:54.720 gave them three more sets and I've got um another seven cables already made and I'm going to make some more uh over the weekend and then as soon as we get bricks we'll go out and put them on all the rest of them. But it does it works perfect. >> Are the lights on at night? I am 155 00:41:54.720 --> 00:42:09.920 >> Yeah, the lights are on at night. One one thing that we have heard about is it they should be flattened faster. >> Oh, >> because it's dark too long. >> Oh, okay. >> Or you know, short light. Yeah, >> you want you want something that people are definitely going to see. >> You you can change that. 156 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:26.480 >> Oh, yeah. It's remote. Yeah, he's got the remote and Yeah, >> it's remote. >> I will have one. >> So, we need like 75 bricks. So, why >> Well, not anymore cuz he he said he said he's already done a few. >> Well, no. No, I need the bricks. Yeah. >> Yeah. But not >> I made the cables. 157 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:43.040 >> You don't need 75 anymore. >> Well, we need probably >> 60. >> 60. >> Yeah. >> You can have all my vers. They got holes in them, but they're 86 pounds of pieces. >> That's a little too heavy. >> Then there you go. We only need one. >> That's right. Get them. Take them. 158 00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:59.760 >> I mean, if we could slice them into pieces. >> So, somebody want to make a motion. >> I got They still got that boy in my cove. >> Yeah, I I I sent that to Rick. So, if you see Rick, let him know that it's there. I don't know if he got out. He 159 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:16.240 was going to come out Tuesday to do buoys, and I don't think he did. Yeah, it's still low. >> I'll make a motion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Someone second >> Mike D. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? Abstain. Unanimous. And we are 160 00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:20.560 done at 7:42.