meeting >> that >> this is the lake management yeah lake management meeting coming to order at 7:00 >> and anybody this meeting is being recorded anybody else recording the meeting needs needs to notify me
>> question RB guest >> oh >> anybody know RB >> n >> RB >> no >> what do you want to do >> try it be ready >> that's who it is Can we?
>> Oh, yeah. >> Once you open >> might be Dick Burrell. Richard Burrell shows no ugly pictures. Come on. >> Wow. Yeah, I don't see the X. >> Oh, there it is down. >> All right.
Anyway, >> hey Ellen, >> I know. >> Uh, first order of business is to read the minutes and approve if okay or no. >> Oh, I got to do attendance. Sorry. Thank
you. We got sideline with what was going on there. Trying to figure out who that was. Um, okay. Norm Chver's not here. He's away. Mike Kums >> here. >> Malcolm Deb. >> Hi. Mike Deay >> here. >> Dick Granles here. Scotty Graves
>> here. >> Eric Mueller here. Paul Yokum >> here. >> Okay. Paul Murphy is away. And Ellen is here. Okay. We are set to go. So we read and approved. Read review the
minutes and I'll take any comments or green and go. I'll take a motion to accept. >> I'll give you a motion to accept them as written. I read them before, but I don't I didn't see anything. I had no comments. And anybody second? >> I'll second it. >> No. Okay.
>> All in favor? >> I abstain. Unanimous. Okay. I go down to everybody. Norm uh Mike Kums. >> Hi. >> Malcolm Deb. >> Hi. >> Mike Debb. >> Hi. >> Dick Granold. Hi. Scotty Graves.
>> Hi. >> Eric Mueller. >> Hi. >> Paul Yokum. >> Hi. >> Okay. All right. ready to go. Are we going to have a concom update? Does anybody have any any information from it? We don't have norm. So, we can't. >> It's okay.
>> Okay. We'll move on. We also can't do uh the EMPIC master plan implementation committee because that's norm. Okay. So, we'll save that for the next one. CRC update. Do you have anything? >> Uh there hasn't been another meeting yet. >> Okay.
>> Um it'll be next Tuesday. >> Okay. And I did sp speak to John Kaine about some remuneration for him >> and to Michelle as well. >> Okay. >> And that's going to go before the board >> at the next meeting. >> Michelle is actually on.
>> Oh, you are. >> Okay. >> Howdy. >> Hey, do you want to give us update or was that good enough? >> Well, Paul is fabulous as we all know. Um, I do have a couple things to add. Uh
we are embarking on our membership drive for 2026. So that information will be coming out in emails um in the mail and on Facebook. Um this year uh we definitely I know you have it on your agenda, Dick, but we're looking forward
to starting a campaign of getting volunteers and plans together for the police boat house, but I'll I'll leave that till you till you bring that up. Um, okay. >> This year being the 250th uh for our country, we're really excited for the boat parade this year. We hope
we get a big turnout and we have a band and all that planned already. >> Um, Dick, you probably have the buoy lights update and you met with Mark more recently than I did, so I'll let you uh take care of that as well. >> Okay. >> And then um we are hoping to partner
with Westfield Bank and the Brass Rail. They're looking to do Sunday fundays throughout the summer um and have CRC be their uh nonprofit of choice for that and as a way to um bring out information and education to the public, hopefully
get more members and possibly even some donations. So that will hopefully start the end of June and run through to the end of August. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. And I think I think think
that cover us there. Um the next item is 141 Kongan Road. Just an update if you look at pages 10 through13. And >> so they now I got to ask did anybody notice
whether in 2025 whether there were four sets of spurs on the northern dock or five sets? Was it back to the full length? Anybody know? >> No. >> I thought that it was not back to the full length, but I can't swear to it. If can we get a Google Earth in it?
>> I tried. I looked at the the latest one that I could find today was 2023, which isn't going to help us and and is forcehortened there. But I we need 2024 and 2025. Um >> what about right now? The docks are in
right now, >> right? >> Yeah. But they're back to to full length. >> Oh, so you want to know if they heat to smooth them out, right? Got it. Right. Yeah, I got you. >> Okay. All right. Um, so I think we'll we just leave it at
that. We'll have to wait and see if we can get anything off of Google Earth or or another there's another possibility is Mass D has some other mapping that we can I can ask them to look for us.
Google Earth and Mast. I'll ask them because I couldn't find anything. All right. Um, so the next thing is the sunken truck and notification policies.
We're going to try and >> Yeah, I've been going through that. Um, basically majority of the responsibility is on the person responsible for it. >> Yeah. Um, I couldn't figure out where the documentation in the last package
came from until I went and did an AI search and looking at mass.gov. >> Yeah. >> You know, so I'm not sure where everything was pulled from. >> Okay. >> Um, but in both cases, whether it be a vehicle or a vessel, >> same notification, >> Yeah. >> is required. Right. Right. And it's all
I presume and the person uh they actually caused it or someone reporting it because they saw it. Yeah. Or or I think double check because I'm not sure that uh when it gets reported to PD that that there some of that responsibility doesn't ship.
>> Well, actually it it says it should be reported to 911 or fire department. >> Oh, okay. >> And it's supposed to be reported within two hours of the terms. flower. Okay. So, if you can put that together and kind of summarize it, >> that would be good.
>> When did they pull it? When are they pulling it out? >> I'll get to that. >> Okay. >> That's another item on here, but I can tell you it's May 18th. >> May 18th. >> Um, so the NRCS PAR update, pages 15,
18, I'm sorry, through 20. And we actually have another meeting tomorrow which three of us will attend at least. I think Norm is away. Uh sometimes Sabrina joins us, but Ken Wagner is going to join us. He's going to physically come here
and so he has all the information, the latest information on it and we're going to have a discussion. Like I said, basically he'll be here with us. So it'll be at least four
uh be u Mike, myself, Eric, and Ken Wagner physically here. And then we have the whole crew from PAR and from uh NNRCS. So I'll give you an update at the next >> yeah next meeting. So you have the update from this past
meeting. You can see what we what was accomplished. They they have done some phenomenal work. I mean this was literally boots on the ground in the water assessment. Not a fly over and say yeah you know it looks pretty deep. um
and have been really good during these meetings. You know, you can have a real sound discussion with them. So, we'll see tomorrow how things go. Um the next one is another quick one. I
just gave you the update on the South Ramp Dredge Mark and what they're looking for is to have D DCR the senator and a representative and us. We'll take we'll host it and take them out. They would like tour of
the lakes and then focus in on that area and see where the money would be going to and why and we can show them, you know, how how clogged that is down there. >> So, that's good. I mean, and and uh so the
it's back and forth uh between the senator and myself and DCR. They're they're the senator's uh chief aid, whatever you want to call it, district something is making the arrangements and
getting DCR and you know when we can all get together. I just said I'll be available. You just tell me and yeah. >> Yeah, we'll go out. So that's that's progressing. Um, the
next item up for bid is 159 Bergkshire Avenue, which starts on page 30. And I gave you a single sheet that's laying underneath your handout that I just got literally hot off the press.
>> And so apparently the meeting, the conservation meeting, and you can read what went on in it, but it looks like they're getting involved now. And um we've got help from
a uh an engineer that's in that environmental and has offered to help and not looking for the money to do it to help us work on it. And he's got some pretty good ideas. One of the things he shared was
if you what the environmental law says you can't put a detention pond to create a holding for water uh in line with a stream it has to be
offline. So if you want to if you want to capture water to make a pond >> and there's an example of one is down on quarry on quarry road >> and so they basically are allowing water allowing water to go into the their pond
their irrigation pond until it's full. But the path that it takes down the canal >> is in uninterrupted. That's what you have to do. Also, if you want to put a dam on an intermittent stream, any stream, intermittent or
flowing, the it's requires now an Army Corps permit. That's something I just learned yesterday. And and that's pretty significant because they don't they don't just say, "Yeah, but yay, barely. It's okay. Everything you're doing." So,
um and there's a lot of filings to do that. So, at any rate, we're uh the three of us uh Dennis Clark and I have been talking with Rob and the three of us are going to meet maybe tomorrow. I don't think so. Our both all our
calendars are full tomorrow, but early next week and he's coming here. So, we'll, you know, take a a walk out and look at it from the street. >> So, anyway, that's that's where it is. And that article, that news article is
is excellent. really excellent, good summary. Um, and then the next thing that gets us to open space plan and what I did is after our last
meeting, uh, you know, voted to submit an update, which I did, and that's what was presented to them. You can, you can read it. It's actually red lines, but you can you can see the different shading in there. >> Um,
and explain where we are and where we're going and you know some of the time frames which are pretty significant. I mean when you when you think about you don't just suddenly say well I'm going to dredge a canal and I'm going to dredge a
brook and u you know we continue to stress the length of time just to once we get this plan that they've presented which will have options and then that
has to be a decision has to be made and then the the uh the next step is design and permitting But then the town has to pay or other than the federal government, federal government will pay 65%. And so
state or local or grants would have to pay the other 35% of design, permitting, and construction. So that you know that that's years out. It's not and it's a hefty amount. So that's something we'll have to when when
they get further on with what NRCS and PAR engineering are doing, we'll have a better idea. But that goes into this part of the open space plan addresses water quality, flooding and so on, which were elements in that.
Um, and if if anybody sees anything that you disagree with in there, we can we can change it, you know, read it that, you know, get comments back. But that's what they have in front of them right now at at that committee >> and comments by Mayor.
>> Yeah. Well, get them back to me is before that so I can get them to them. I want to collect all the comments. Um now so the next thing is our infamous truck in middle pond. So um the plan right now is PD was going to use dive
their their dives divers. First thing they were going to do was they have a an RO and they were going to scan the bottom. We know pretty close to where it is if we can see it on the video and within probably a 25 foot radius
assuming it dropped straight down. Um, and I would think, you know, I can't imagine that it sees it or anything. You know, I think >> pull in muck if there's muck there, though. >> Not much that there >> that's the only issue there. >> Yeah, >> there's m there. It's going to find it
when somebody's got to pull it out. >> Wow. And that's going to do that. >> That's very expensive process. And >> so that's what they're going to do on May 18th is get it out. >> That's the intent. >> How far is it from shore? >> H >> How far is it from shore? Uh it's midway between the east and west banks
>> and and the problem >> the fishing pier and the other bank >> he headed north. >> Yeah. >> In other words, if it was straight out, you know, then you pull it back to the ramp, but it's north. >> So you can't just like you can't pull it to the fishing pier.
>> No, I'm just wondering how how they're going to hook on to that thing. >> He's at the north. You mean south? >> South. >> You mean south toward south? He went south. You want the knee? If you look at the knee in the U fishing pier, >> yeah, >> it's equidistant from the knee of the
fishing pier to the other shore. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how they're going to get >> because you could use and float it. >> They got those tow truck things, but they're going to >> They usually float things like that. >> That's not long enough. You're not going to be able to go out. You'd have to put >> You go with a bag and you inflate the bag. >> Yeah, which they've done. >> Yeah.
>> Be interesting to see how they get it out. >> It's going to be interesting to see how they get out. >> Not late. Okay. >> Entertaining because we don't have to pay for it. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Um >> and then the next thing is
coupled right directly to that is chapter 75 >> by >> bylaws. And we talked the last time about fixing uh the the couple things, you know, the
>> uh allowing a plow. It's okay, you know, if you can't take a vehicle out there, but you can >> unless it's heavy. >> Unless it's heavy. Yeah. >> So, if it's heavy, then you can take it out. >> So, at any rate, uh that
our recommendation the last time was to change and you can you can read what's proposed for the change uh on page 38. And so we're eliminating the except for the purpose of plowing.
So then it changes um we said eliminate except for the purpose of flowering. And then the next thing is to address the fines which were uh it was a $50. And so then recommending going up to 200
there and also clearly stating that the defendant is responsible for all costs, you know, in the bylaw, you know, not assume. Mhm. >> So, and that we're we've got to meet with the harbor master um our CEO and
lake management conservation and hash it out and make sure we're all on the same page for the the words that go in that. I just noticed page 42 is missing. >> I was trying to go through the email chain and noticed something missing and
realized it's missing. >> Huh. >> Yeah, it is. Okay. Is it because there was a missing I I have >> Oh, no. I think it's misnumbered because page one and page two are in are correct. So, I just misnumbered. >> Okay. >> You're not missing a page. >> Okay.
>> It's misnumbered. >> So, um then the there's no questions on that. The next thing >> Oh, okay. Okay. You But more email happened after you did this. Got it. Okay. That's why it's not there because send 43. Yep. And then on page 39, this
was accepted. This is the one we made the recommendation to the select board that was accepted and signed off. >> So that's the pay rate done. >> Um so then we get into the delinquent fees and and Ellen can help, but you can
read what's been going on. We're trying to it. We're talking $785 in in >> for the whole year. for the whole year. It's not a million dollars or anything, but Ellen can describe as she did in
here. U she sent this out, which I thought was a real good summary. Uh I can I can quickly read it to you if you want. >> Yes. >> And so this was from Ellen to everybody that's been on this email chain. and she say uh she put a copy of the
slip, the delinquent slip, which is, you know, uh very very colorful. They're they're a bright color, not not a piece of white paper. And tenants are advised not to let anyone in who does not have money to
pay. That's fine. That's not what the problem is. The problem is, as she says, the hours us are the hours staffed are usually 10 or 11 to 6 or 7 depending on the month. Weekends are staffed earlier and and later. I mean, sometimes we'll go, you know, if it's a really hot day
and it's a zoo, we'll have our attendants stay over and stay till 8:00. Um, that's where we have two shifts on on weekends. And then when trailers are in the parking lot, when the attendant arrives, the attendant puts the delinquent notice on on each one because
they're already in the facility. So sometime most of them leave while the attendant's still there, but some people will stay until 8 9 10:00 at night. >> Y >> and we're not going to keep somebody there to, you know, collect >> collect eight dollars.
>> Eight dollars. So that's where the delinquents come from is that they're people who were using it, they came before, leave after. So we haven't got a way to and to put in automated equipment, you know, pay like
>> no >> point of sale. Oh god. So you're talking huge money, >> right? >> Um and there there's no gates and we you're not allowed to shut off the the ramps. Uh we did during the uh snows because that was at the direction of the
office of fishing voting access that owns them. But we can't just put a close the gate. We don't have a gate. >> So the total revenue that was lost by this $785 >> $785, right? >> So you're talking about 100 people or less. >> Is that even worth chasing after
>> events and other it isn't even people? Because some of these might be repeats, >> you know. So, so was something like 90 90 times and in in all of last year 90 times this happened. >> It's almost not worth going after, >> you know. >> It's not because you you know what you
>> Well, but in the past we had the the PD if you had multi had people that had multiple um offenses of not paying, they would send a letter to them and collect it. >> Yeah. >> Um that's passed, you know, but that's not what we're getting right now. People
realize that you're not going to collect, >> they do it. >> Yeah. They will they'll ask me point blank, do do you, you know, what happens if I don't pay this? >> Yeah. What are you supposed to say? >> Yeah. >> Well, I always said, you know, >> they they they you know, they send you a
bill because that's what I was told. You know, from past I mean, I think most of the most of the ramp launch fees are collected when there's a ramp attendant on Yeah. Somebody comes in, they collect them a fee. >> Yep. and or or when they're leaving when
the people are leaving and and the rampant attendants are still collect mail it in. A lot of people, >> right? But but my guess is by far the vast majority of our fees are collected when there's a ramp attendant on and somebody comes to launch
>> or or even even the delinquents. We get probably >> Wow. >> Oh, more than way more than half get returned with a check. They send a check in. >> They do. So yeah. Oh, so there you go. >> You know, right? >> So the system basically works. >> Okay.
>> Elaine and I were talking also I know you know about like a Dropbox and I know you didn't like that idea but we were talking about putting it where the cameras are and the thing is we would you know I would check it every day. It's not like there'd be you know
hundreds of dollars left. >> We could do something like that because people ask. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's an idea. >> That's a possibility. >> Yeah. >> Just to make it easier for people to >> Yeah. Because I they did that. >> Yeah. But you could put that in the minutes as a a suggestion.
>> Um I don't know if anybody else has any other suggestions on that. We don't want what we don't want to do is we don't want to get in the mode of spending, you know, $20,000 to solve a $785 problem. >> Right. Right. >> Government. That's how the government works.
>> Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Um so then the next thing which I added uh and you have in there was looking at >> I'm sorry the other thing I I just want to mention also is you know to make sure that we make it clear that we also
respect >> uh the PD's time. >> Yeah. >> You know because asking them to do a whole bunch of stuff to collect 785 bucks and >> that's spending a lot of good money. You know, it's uh Yeah, >> but I like the idea if we could put a
>> a collection box. They do have the Office of Fishing Voting Access does have those. Uh they're really ruggedized and by putting them where the >> cameras are then that would be a way to do it.
>> You know, I guess passport thing would be >> Oh, that was just >> Have anybody officially boing access to what they do ramps? Well, that's what I'm saying. They, >> you know, we're not the only ramp in the state. No. And we can't be the only one that's running it for them. >> No, we're not.
>> They're either blowing it off or they're >> But some of them, like I said, some of them have a box >> on a post >> and and I don't like that idea because then they cut the post off and take a post and box, you know, >> but I like the idea if we could put it where the cameras are. >> Yeah.
>> On the building. And now do we have permission to like if if I am able to say okay here are the delinquents >> that have come in however >> we can refuse access. >> Yeah that's what I'm saying you owe $8
from this state you got a delinquent notice. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and what are you going to do? Check the list when they pull in every time. That's a just another I mean you could do it but >> you might remember because you might say those are the people that have been doing it all the time. >> Yeah,
>> Dick. Um if I may, I have I had a suggestion too. Um having a QR code seems to me like kind of just one of the easiest things we could possibly do because I mean they have them everywhere for everything now like ordering in a restaurant, a fast food or like
whatever. Um and then people can just they have their phones on them. can just scan it and pay it like on the spot and then they could just show the attendant when you know the receipt pops up instantly. Um that it's that it's paid and that way people that a lot of people don't carry cash anymore um and it's
such a hassle to send things out and write out checks and all of that. I mean I think just like the digital era like it's just so much easier. >> Isn't the QR code actually satisfied with usually with a charge card? Yeah,
>> the QR >> link it to your bank account. You're going to need a thing to link it to. >> So, I like the idea. It's just we don't have a thing to link it to. We'd have to create that thing. >> We don't even have that for town fees, >> right? Yeah. Right. I mean, they don't
if you want to charge uh >> we go through a third party. >> No. If you want to charge your your water bill or there's a fee fee >> and and you can you can use a master card, Visa, mechanic, whatever, but there's a fee and the problem is for 10
bucks >> and then the fee will eat up, >> you know. So now you got an accounting nightmare because they're all going to be different. Every charge card is different what they charge. >> Yeah. like a QR code just to direct them to a statement about how they have to
pay or run. >> Who cares? That's like saying, "What do we do for people that come in?" >> They do come into town middle of the night. They're there five minutes. >> A lot of them do. >> Well, I wonder if it could be set up through Unipay. I mean, that's that's the system that we use for the town.
Like, could Unipay system not have like we do our real estate tax, we do all of that. >> Yeah. But they they uh they charge a fee >> if you do >> and it's not just a straight percentage. There's a base fee and then a percentage. So the issue is on a $10
charge, we might lose four of those dollars to the fee or we'd be telling the customer they have to pay the fee. And now all of a sudden the launch fee is not 10, it's 14 and change, >> right? >> You might as well put You might as well
put an ATM machine out there. >> Put an ATM machine out there. >> Yeah. Somebody will knock that off. >> It only puts out eight bucks. It only puts out eight. Right. All right. >> Um, so then the uh let's see, we had a
couple other things here was uh we did accept on on the addition I sent out a couple of u additional you know supplements for reading files. One of them was we did
accept solitude. Yeah, we sell >> for u treating for the next three years. And you can see the process on the back of the the page. It says recommendation for invasive aquatic plant and algae management which I emailed to everybody.
And so that was uh three of us reviewed it was Sabrina, myself and Eric. And the process we used is on the back side of that which uh basically takes each of the requirements that are in the RFP and
how did the uh >> respond >> responder respond to those requirements and then they get graded and from green to yellow to red so that you're not seeing it in in you're seeing in in shades of gray but if you look at the
ones that are are light color. Those are all the greens. Uh red is is a dark one. Nobody got red that was on there, but the the one that's uh that did not get it had several items where would come in that they they did not provide
information. >> They didn't they didn't meet the requirement. And then uh as a as a bonus, they were a lot more expensive. >> Way over. >> So anyway, >> right. spirit >> solitude was selected.
>> Y >> um and the so the next thing was we got permission from the state. They we had to give them all our financials, our costs and income and expenses for the
last three years. And then they agreed that we could go to $10 from eight because we're the amount that we carry over. Yeah. >> We would be in the hole at the end of >> likely at the end of this year if not
definitely in the hole of starting in 2027 because during the winter we get no income, >> right? >> And we have a lot of expenses. So, uh, electricity and >> port when are we going to go to $10
>> immediately? >> Oh, immediately. Okay. >> All all the signs are changed. >> Okay. >> All the um the delinquent slips, the uh tally sheets that we use and everything, everything's changed already.
So, and then that takes care of that. The bometric maps we gave information to uh it's Casey Wilson and and Eric, myself, Ken Wagner. Who else was on?
Anybody else from here on that? >> No. Uh it's this company that offers a Maybe you can describe. >> Yeah. So, they're um they're kind of a a thing that got formed out of Woods Hole. >> It's not clear that that they're actually a for-profit organization. I
don't I don't not sure they are. >> Yeah, I'm not sure they are. So, um they the the Woods Hole research groups, you know, mostly focus in the ocean, but they do some stuff in inland waterways. Um, and they've developed themselves a
um a probe, a system that floats on the surface and has a tether that goes down near the bottom and does continuous water quality measurements. Uh, and and provides that data wirelessly continuously.
>> Um, so it's so it's quite interesting. you know, we we like others, you know, we we measure on some regular basis kind of once a month or if we see a problem and what they're looking at is trying to get ahead of problems um by being
to do continuous measurements. Um you know, since the alum treatment, this hasn't been a big issue for us, but it would be interesting. Um the cost of renting the device is quite economical.
Um the issue for us is figuring out how we would protect the device because it it floats basically on a small buoy and needs to be needs to be where the lake is deep enough that we're below the thermocline with the lower one. So when
we talked about it with Ken as well, the feeling was if we were going to do one, it would be south pond. And so the question is where and we need to be able to get somewhere that we can get 20 22 feet deep, something like that. Um and then middle pond would be the other one
to look at and again we would need to be able to get someplace deeper than you know deeper than the thermocline. So, you know, that that that I think is the next big question is where would we put it? >> And then how could we envision protecting it?
>> Um, you know, they described the buoy to us and we're like, we no matter what, we can't put that buoy out without something near it because it'll get run over. >> It only sticks out of the water out of the water 21 in >> like, okay, that, you know, that'll get
run over. Um, and so they understood that. So anyway, I I think where we're at at the moment is um first concentrating on South Pond. What we had talked about is the the marina that's on South Pond, there's a a set of buoys
that are out 150 ft off the end of the docks. And one question is how deep is the water where those buoys are? Because if the water there is deep enough, putting a buoy like this near a buoy like that might be a workable thing to do. Since there's already a buoy there,
you've got something to protect it. >> Um the question is, is that deep enough? And I don't know. And that's why I did the bathtric maps that are we were provided by they're online um provided by
uh Massachusetts has these uh >> and you can see South Pond is 25 ft deep in the deepest part. >> I know. >> Yeah. >> But the 20 foot line is >> pretty close to shore. >> Yeah. >> And
you know that's becomes problematic. So, >> well, it's actually No, that's good in our case. >> Well, yeah, if we can if we can put it in a place where it's not going to get run over. Right. >> Right. And we can booy it. >> Right. So, we at least the fact that it gets deep quickly makes it more
possible. >> Yeah. >> But everywhere that I look at it, that the one place over by the the buoys out by the marina, that one I'd be interested in because I don't know how deep that is. >> We should measure that, >> right? Because if that's deep enough, I can imagine that working. Everywhere
else I look at, I go, it's going to get run over >> because there there you don't have high speed traffic. You know, it's still in the no wake zone and >> there's plenty of traffic, but it's not high speed traffic. >> High speed. >> Oh, the other thing that the buoy measures it also measures wave waves.
>> Yeah. So, >> it's kind of cool. >> Yeah. Gives you a lot of >> What's the What's the cost liability if we run over the thing? What's it going to cost us if we wreck it? >> So, the the the rental I we didn't have that discussion. The rental fee is 6,000
bucks for the year and that includes the data analysis. Um so, I'm sure they're not a for-profit organization because they're not making any money doing that. But, um we we did not ask them about the liability of the buoy. They did
understand the idea that that the buoy is at risk. Um I think they this is a new thing for them. They're taking a technology that was developed for some Woods Hole research and applying it this way. And we did kind of mention to them, you know, the issue we're describing
about protecting the buoy is not unique to our lake. >> Right. Right. >> So if you're imagining going into lakes with these and those lakes have power boats on them, >> there's good chance they're going to get >> you're going to need to find a way to protect those buoys or they're going to be goners. Especially when they said it
sticks 21 in out of the water. I'm like that'll get run over. >> And they did it they did it because they wanted to keep the cost down and keep it little. And you know a buoy a buoy like we use they it cost just the buoy alone without equipping it with anything you're looking at 800
bucks. And in or so we asked the question >> was will put lashing it to one of those buoys screw up your sensor um because it's not going to see the waves the same
waves uh or it's it's rocking you know they have to that's theirs to go look at you know is that feasible >> so I think right now the ball's in our court to see if we see a a feasible spot have to do it and then if we do then we
get into the discussion okay and what would we do to protect this point >> um because you know like I said that's one location where I can imagine how you do that in South Pond everywhere else that I look in South Pond and go 20 ft deep I go
>> it's going to get run over. >> Yeah. You know, >> the ones at the south end here or south pond where it gets 20 feet. I live right there, so I know 20 ft deep is going to be out far enough the skiers are going to hit. >> What about in front of my house? You can see right where I am right there, it looks like it goes 20 ft. And I have a
buoy out there 100, you know. >> Yeah. How many times has it been run in out? >> Yeah. >> I mean, if you look at the scale here, >> but the scale right in front of my place, it comes way in. You could see that little loop there. So, you could actually do it onto it. We could put a buoy right out there
>> out in front. Look at that. That's not a bad thought cuz it gets really deep off my dive. >> But you're you're near the pinch, you know. >> Well, I know, but that's the thing I'm saying. That's why I've got how close the boats come to you. >> Close. >> See, that's the problem. >> Real close. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see.
>> But I'm just saying if I put my buoy back out this year, it might, you know, I you could actually put that thing right next to my buoy if you want. >> He's been run over. It's I mean it it's a >> safer place is in a no wake zone if we can do it. >> Oh, there's no doubt. But it doesn't
look like you could do it because the way that it's so low >> that it gets deep enough. >> Yeah, it doesn't get deep enough at the rest where I am right on the point there. It goes right to 20 ft below the service point >> with making the pinch any tighter. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. If it doesn't it doesn't fit where that buoy is now. You know >> where the buoy is now? I think it's 20 ft easy. >> We can measure that. >> Yeah. We'll have to check it out. That's not a bad thought. >> Anybody have a depth finder on there? >> I do on my boat. You do too, don't you? Yeah, we'll have to come over and check
out my pontoon boat. >> Okay. Anyway, uh and then the other question would be, can we find a suitable place in Middle Pond? And it's the same discussion. Yeah. >> And there it's got to be more than 20 ft deep for middle pond. I got to look, but we need to be probably 30t deep.
>> Why? >> Because you have to make sure you're below the thermocline. >> Oh, okay. And middle pond's a lot deeper. >> Yeah. So >> yeah, you know, so I again we have the same problem. Can can you find a place that not only that the buoy is safe, but
that we're not creating a navigation hazard? >> Yeah. And we also then have to look for the funding for it. >> Right. >> So, okay. >> So that's kind of where we're at. >> Pretty interesting. >> Yeah, it was a great discussion. It was also interesting. They what prompted
this was they were under the impression that we had had a major cyanobacteria bloom last year. >> Yeah. Right. Oh, really? >> And so when I got on the call, I said, "No, what we had was a major social media >> boom, right?" What are you talking about? And I explained to her what actually happened
and she was like, "Oh." I said, "Yeah, okay. So you you guys were responding to, you know, they they must AI engine. They used an AI search engine, >> you know, and it went out and told them, "Oh, yeah. Here are the links that have had major sign of bacteria blooms."
Answer is, yeah, no, we're not. >> So, um, now I think I think >> so media is the bacteria. >> What? >> Right there. That 30 where that's right
where the outer buoys for the u going through the sandbar is. >> I know. I saw that. So, you might be able to do it. >> Check the depth there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Great. >> Because it says 30 ft. I don't whether it's 30 ft out. >> Okay. >> Yep.
>> I didn't think it was. It might be dead center. It might be. And we do have buoys, you know, right up the center there. >> Yeah. So, they're less. >> You're going to need to be close to those buoys, though, or somebody's going to just >> Well, not to be either lash to it. I mean, that's what you said. We'd rather
lash it to one than have it floating by itself. I think if we can find candidate locations, then we can go back to them and say, "We have candidate locations. We need to protect the buoy. We've got the following ideas. Do you have ideas?" >> Because, you know, we know for sure if
we put a little buoy out there, it stands up that much, >> it's a goner. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know if anybody >> Does it have to be in 22 feet of water? It's got to be it it has to be at a
location where the lower probe is below the thermocline. Otherwise, they can't get the measurement we're trying to get. So, in South Pond, that's 20 might I got to look 20T might be okay. 22 feet is
probably fine. And in middle pond, I have to look at the data, but it's probably 30 feet that we need in middle pond. >> Oh, yeah. That's actual depth, not where the sensor actually. >> Right. Right. >> Right. The sensor will be about a foot off the bottom.
>> Yeah. >> Maybe we should have a line between the two sensors so you can >> they do >> like a fishing line. Throw the other one in deeper water and run a line to the shorter part. >> Yeah. They Right. You'd be asking them
to build a new sensor. The sensor they have >> has a buoy that floats and there's a a line that comes off that floating buoy hangs a sensor right off the bottom. >> Yeah, >> that that is what they have. They don't
have some other thing where there's a, you know, where there's some other gizmo that somehow holds the buoy the the lower sensor off the bottom of the muck somehow. They don't have that. They >> It basically is attached to for the buoy. >> Yeah. like a lanyard going down to the
bottom. >> The problem is you got fishermen out there hooking on everything. My boat and this boat and then buoys. So, they're going to be they hook the buoys all the time. >> Yeah. >> So, they're going to be hooking on and you know, they got more issues than than these people. >> It's not that simple, right? >> It's Look, they Yeah, it'll be
interesting what happens. You know, I think this is the first year they're trying to do it. They they're trying to do it in certain ponds, what have you, down in the Cape, and they'll learn stuff from doing it. >> So, okay. But I I mean I appreciate, you know, they reached out to us. Yeah.
>> Um and and they, you know, they because we have a lot of data, they're also kind of interested. We're good to work with because we have a lot of data and we take regular data so it can correlate to their data and all that. >> Um if we had a place to do it and not destroy the booty.
>> Yes. Yes. >> Anybody else have anything? A ne anybody out in the >> nope. >> The zoom world. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.
>> I so move. >> Why? Second. >> Second. >> My all in favor. >> I >> opposed. I >> abstain. Unanimous. >> Okay. Amen. It's >> 7:45. Good.
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