7 o'clock and the lake management meeting will come to order and I'll this meeting is being recorded and if anybody else is recording it you need to so notify the chair that be me and first thing I'll do is take attendance
norm here uh Mike Kums here Malcolm de Bay here Mike Deb here granle's here um Scotty Graves is not here he's chime and Eric Mueller here. Paul Murphy here. Paul Yam here.
Okay. And Ellen is here. Okay. So, we got definitely have a quorum. Any guests? Oh, yeah. Anybody? Oh,
so first thing is to is the minutes from the previous meeting which would have been on the 20 what the 6 26th of June and do we have any I give you a motion because I read them earlier. I didn't see anything wrong with them. So
anybody So we have a motion from Mike D and then Mike C. Mike D. Mike C. All in favor? I opposed abstain unanimous and I got to go through the names. Norm Chver I
Mike Kums. Hi Malcolm Debet. Hi Mike Debb. Hi Dick Granles. I uh Scotty's not here. Eric Mueller. Hi Paul Murphy. Hi Paul Yokum. Hi. Okay. Affirmed. Good. All right. Next on the hit parade.
The uh Concom will be you normal and I will be sharing in just a minute. Okay. Okay. on our agenda. On this past Monday night, we got an RDA to replace the deck with
86 Point Grove Road, your neighbor. Oh boy. Um the deck would be the exact same size that's there now. And the the owner was there, the builder was there,
and we approved it. Was it ever permitted? Huh? Was it ever permitted LPP wise? I don't know. Building building. I'm sorry. I have no idea if the original one was, but it's falling apart now and it's
going to be replaced. Then we had some issues on the um on the lake that we discussed and I'm going to show you some pictures here. Well, we'll give you some history first.
Remember back in January, I told you about a retaining wall that was scheduled to go in on South Pond in Sfield and I had submitted my list of questions. Most of my questions were asked. It was approved. The builder said
the contractor was there and he says there'll be no activity in the water and the minutes reflect that. And when I was out doing a normal tour, I found some discouraging things.
Got it up. Send request for share. should come out of your house now. Yeah. The old thingy. So, could be the old malt's place over there where he settled. They put a wall in over there.
That small house there that we're talking about with no house that's got a picture coming up on a second. Okay. Sure. It's a B-52 that fly. And that's coming. There you go. And
and this is on 6:30. I took this picture. And that is the lake. What you see there is a silt fence in the water. Yeah. Yeah. And um they were told on the list of questions
that I gave, they said, "You can have the silt fence in Massachusetts, but it can't be in the water." What what's the address on that? 485 Lake View. And it's straight across from you guys. Then I went back a couple days
under the lake. I think a couple days later to see if I could determine if if the water was reaching the retaining wall. And stop share here
and bring up the other one. That permit was issued in Connecticut. This by the Connecticut I didn't see that wall when you and I remember they used to be bought this place in his day and then I know where he made
I think Egan had there. I don't think he bought it through white company or something. I haven't seen it. I've been on the lake and I have not seen him. Where do my sheriff's bank go? Can't get it to come up.
Just to the right up on a hill. It's all the way back up on Griffin Road, I think. Yeah, that's interesting cuz I haven't noticed it. I've been out in the lake a while. I don't think you guys were out there the same time I was out there. Yeah. Go over here. And is there
You see it? I saw I were driving the boat. There you go. I thought they were adding up the house when I saw the construction going on. When I went over there, we were going around a little. It's all filled in with Sorry. I'll be right back. Yeah, it wasn't Didn't look like that.
No, it didn't. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Okay, it's coming up. Coming up. Ah, okay. Water looks good. Looks like there's a wall in the water. The water goes right up to the wall. I believe this was July 4th.
Oh, okay. And you can see the right hand portion of the silt fence was tore down by wave action. Yeah. And the water was touching the retaining wall. I see. So, what I did is I put a letter to the
And we're not at high water. No, I know that. No, we'll get to that in a minute. Okay. Uh, so I I send an email to the first selectman, Colin Mole, along with Keith Morris, the conservation
coordinator, and Diane Gail from our side, saying uh basically the U plan was approved. I gave him my list of questions. We gave him a copy of the minutes that says there'd be no
activity in the lake. these two pictures. Yeah. And um and I said the water is touching the is touching the retaining wall. So therefore it has to be in Massachusetts.
Yep. And we're not at high water. So we're not high water. So not mean high water. Yeah. And and I did get a response Monday before the meeting saying I wasn't sure how he was going to react, but he thanked me for the information.
because I told him I didn't want him to read about it in the newspaper. Right. Y and he said he'd get with the chair and vice chair of Concom and Southfield along with Keith Morris and they get back to us. Okay. So Monday night at the
conservation commission meeting, we talked this and the contractor was there because I invited him and he said, "Oh, I put the wall in in dry land." And I says, "But you have to understand that the high water mark is basically the state line."
Right. And we are nine inches below the high water mark. Right. We are. Wow. Right. The average the average high water mark. Yeah. For the average water mark because we're right at the date. I think we're at the nominal level. Yes.
Right. But anyway, let him finish. Yeah. So, we're actually one inch below normal and the high water mark is like 8 and a half inches higher. the high water mark. High water. I didn't know we had a high water mark. We always track one level. No, but no, but he's talking
about what he's talking about is a is a legal thing. It's called mean high water. You know, the the mean high water mark is basically on the Connecticut side that is the Massachusetts border. Border. So, this wall is in Massachusetts. Yeah.
So, what the commission decided to do was um we were very Which commission? our conservation aggression. Thanks. Y we were very irritated. Yeah. Uh but we decided to initially take no
action pending Sfield's response, right? Okay. But we also told the contractor because the next day he was planning on putting rip wrap in front of this wall. Oh. In order to prevent erosion. Oh Jesus. Bailing the wall.
Right. And we said no, you can't do that. No. That's totally mass. And uh so then we we contacted the state, our state uh and actually got a response that I was very disappointed in.
That response came in today and Mark Stinson's name and he Yeah. And uh because we thought they would need a chapter 91 license for Massachusetts to get this in. and he basically came back after talking to his
boss that they we should ask him to turn in a notice of intent for the project and approve it. And my my defense is I would never approve this initially in the first place. I have to prove it now. Right. Right. In fact, that that would be the worst thing you could do. Right.
Yeah. So then later this afternoon, I did get a response from Sfield saying that they had a meeting and their their uh town council will be contacting our town council. What the hell that means, I don't.
Yeah, right. But I quickly told uh Sabrina to bring Nicole, our CIO, up to up to speed because the call will go to her. Yeah. Okay. So that's issue number one we
talked about on the lake and and it was funny I I was working I've been working this since June 30th and when it was Sunday night Scotty called me oh there's a retaining wall at 465 or
485 yes I know all about it it's under control more than I wanted to know right yeah exactly so uh that was issue number one and that's the status of that. And now we're going to share again if we can speed this process up.
There it is. Now, the other it's been a couple of weeks. The other big one that we've talked about before is this 623 Forest Road. Another and uh the retaining wall is in, the stairs are in, but they took the silt
fence down. M and um and over here on the right hand side you can see it it's still open there. They got a piece of plywood there. Yeah. So I sent an email to Keith Morris and
Sfield saying in my opinion the sil fence should go back up. That should be the last thing that comes down especially after the rain we had last night. You think all the rain we're getting and there's no vegetation at all. Not at all. Oh yeah.
Yeah. They did they did put a a ret silk fence up over here on this bad corner. Yeah. So, and the retaining wall, if it's built correctly, it'll probably hold almost everything that comes down. Is that Metal Pond? Where is that? This middle pond right across a little
bit north of Scotty. Okay. They said it's almost a half a million dollars worth of work. Well, I'm sure it is by the time they're done. Yeah. You mean just for the wall? Yeah. landscape. We're building more wall. That's just a little wall down in the wall. Been there for two, three months.
And they said it would be all summer. Yeah. When when they Yeah. When they're done. Okay. So, that's the status on that one. Okay. And now we're going to share another one. Um, if I can find it. 451 Lake View.
451 Lake View. Where are you? So that's got to be southbound, too. Oh, I know where it Oh, here it is. No, that's when you were just That's what we were just talking about. That's the one I was out.
Yeah, this is AOT. Yeah. Well, that's two owners ago. That's what he said. Yeah, it's two owners ago now. After you guys mentioned this to me at the last meeting, I went out and took a picture of this, sent this over to Keith
Morris saying, you know what's going on? What's going on? Should be a sill fence there. And he did not respond. So, as far as I'm concerned, that means he thinks it was okay. Okay. Jesus.
All right. So, and then we got a brand new one. But wait, there's more. Yeah, right. This one hasn't gone to Common yet. Let's get back here and share again. And we want to share.
What pond are we heading to now? This is on Middle Pawn in Massachusetts. go back here and it's strange cuz it should be able to just follow the next one. Yeah, it should click on
and why it's not. Okay. So, I want to share again back. There it comes. Yeah, that's the that's the old one. Yeah. Come on, Eric. Your place is pretty clean. There
was only one dock and one boat over there. Yeah, we did salt day. For some reason, I'm not going to be able to bring this jet skiis. This happens to be neighbor of Dicks 142 and 144. I took this picture
yesterday. You don't see it, but yeah, you want to look over my shoulder, you can see it. Uh, this was all Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know the spot that uh we suspected that was going to happen. I've been
Yeah. And I can show you what used to be there. Yeah. That one I can get at. Jesus. This is what used to be there. Wow. We cut it all down. All that vegetation's gone.
And what's really irritating about this one and we had the owner in for cutting a tree down maybe a year ago without a permit. Yeah. 100 foot buffer zone. And we read the riot act. Now
she's done this. So apparently she didn't. She's a two-title right now. And what number is that one? This is 142. And the one next to next door 144. They also had some vegetation removed. They're both coming in for our next meeting.
Okay. So, that is guys do the Concom update so far. Okay. I have one other item that just surfaced this afternoon that I'll bring up here. I'm not sure it's probably Comic. I'm
getting word of a failed septic system on South Pond and Sfield. I don't have the address yet. Look for the bubbles. Yeah. Will there any testing that we do that could help us out? We could I mean,
I got the address. If you if you give me the address, I'm going to be doing sampling within the next two weeks. Yeah. I can take an extra sample there. Yeah. you know, near that address to see if there's I mean, you know, it' have to
be pretty bad for it to get in and for us to see that. But if it's there, I'll probably see it in the conductivity and we might see it in some of the sampling. Word word I've heard is that it's the neighbors complained supposedly suff's doing something about it, but nothing's
happening. Nothing's happening. And the smell is bad. Oh, okay. So, it may or may not be an issue in the lake. The other thing you could do is let uh Tom know about it. Yeah. Yeah. He'll test. He'll go get it. He'll go get it. Oh, yeah.
Health need that. Yeah, he's that's his job. So, I'll do that once we get the Yes. I got one quick question. Anything any update on uh the one next to the Old Town Beach 1586?
Only update is there that we've sent him uh well I think Ellen sent him a letter saying that uh he he's insufficient on his stickers for his three docks and five boats.
He's turned in one dock and one boat. I don't know if Ellen's got time had time yet to get to it. Marianne Maryanne. No, this would be uh Oh, no. No, no, Marian. It's going to get in.
Watch when you open it. Is it a Maybe we'll Well, it could be right now. Yeah. Tell me what the number is. Does say mass.
Is there a number? Uh I think go ahead and then if it's it's a disaster just shut it off and restart it. Well really if you give me the number I'll check. I don't see a number. You don't see you don't get to see the number. Go ahead. Try it. Could be Scotty.
No. It said he wasn't coming. So yeah, but I talked to him a couple hours ago. Hello. Could be a wrong number. Marianne. She's muted. She's Is there a way to remove her? I'm just
going to remove it. Just delete it. Just delete it. Yeah. Good. All right. Should I report? You're up, I think. Yeah. Are you done? Uh, I didn't I have nothing for Empic, but Okay. I got to say that, I guess.
No update for Okay. Plenty of other updates. Yes. All right. Next on the hip. Um the putting up the the signs. Uh I've got everybody the only one I have left and I
will call Scotty u when I get home. But he usually does Connecticut. Yeah, he always Yeah, it's No, no, I always do it. Okay. Yeah, he talks to everybody. Yeah, I know. And takes him all day. So now going back
the uh the treatment because I wanted to do that while I saw it. Uh the the treatment you see the maps in there on pages um and actually this is so minimal. It's really great. 23 25.
Yeah. Starts Yeah. 25 and keeps going. Good. And and you see there's a few few spots very very minimal little corner in North Pond. uh corner in South Pond and a couple areas in in middle and you know where
we've had it before basically water's been clear. I was out there yesterday. I was on North Clarity's improved even more. It's incredible. We were watching a W going through we could see the all the fish going through. I'm watching the fish. Cool. Yeah.
Okay. So that's what and they're going to treat on Wednesday coming and you have the schedule. Uh I have sent that what you what you're looking at right here went to and you can see I also included that in here.
Yeah. um to Sfield, CRC, Southwork website, um Board of Health, the ADCOM, uh you know, basically widely broadcast
so that everybody knows about uh concom uh trying to think of some of the other ones, but I did cover everybody. So, I sent you I sent you the link I got from Southfield. Yes. Yeah, it's already out on the cockail website.
Yeah, he's been good about that. Yeah, they put it right out. So, it's always puzzled me that the drinking and cooking is an earlier release date than irrigation. Yeah, I that's always puzzled me also, but they don't want to kill the
regulations. Exactly. That's want to kill the tomatoes. You're right, Dick. That's funny. So, do do you know if anybody and you can water livestock before you
wants to be on she's gonna ask about the sign. Okay. Do you know if anybody any work regarding that? Hello. Hello. Hello.
Hello. Hello. Hi, Deb. Can you hear us? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Someone just contacted me. Said they tried to get in but they couldn't. This must have been Maryanne. Was it Maryanne? It was Ginger. Ginger.
Yeah. Do you know who it is? Maryanne Pho. Okay. We can do if she wants to try again, we'll let her in cuz it looked like maybe it was coming, you know, like a from Germany. from Germany. Couldn't recognize it.
Okay. Okay. I'll let her know. All right. So, at any rate, um we've got the maps. You can see it's very very minimal treatment areas. Um and like I said,
when they when we sent those photos that were provided a little further, we saw them. And those are all uh native. Yeah, I've got the Sorry, they Right. Right. Sorry. They may be annoying, but they're native.
Right. Yeah. So, they they cannot be can't be treated, right? Treated. I got a question on that. Um, did they send anybody around to check these areas? Yes, that's what's these maps are.
Okay. I'm going to show you this. Do do you know who that is? I don't know. I'll pass it all around. And would everybody take a look at this? He showed up on one of my cameras, came down uh just at the front of the house, went
down to the water and picked in the water a little bit and then he turned around, went up the driveway. Huh. No, they uniform. They do the Solitude does it by boat. Absolutely by boat. They do not go on anybody's property. This looks uh Can't really tell. I don't know who that is.
He's got a uniform on though. Yeah, a uniform of sorts. And And I figured he might have been with Solitude or No. Solitude. Possibly the Solitude works from the lake. No. That your brother? No. 100%. He knows better than anybody.
They just they just go on a flat bottom little flat bottom boat. In response to these pictures here, Dick, did anybody respond? Letting them know. That's just a normal. It's up to you to go out and rake them or whatever you want. Yeah, they can they you can rape.
Yeah. To me, it looks like a uniform of some kind. Looks like FedEx. Yeah, it almost does. It might be FedEx. He didn't deliver anything. Maybe. He went down to the lake.
No kidding. Unless he fished around where where there's like looks like mil foil to me. Yeah. And uh he turned around for gone. Wow. It's a weird one. Could it be I don't recognize. Could it be somebody from the the state people that were doing the the hydrolla stuff
they were looking for? They do it by boat, too. Don't Thank you everybody. All right. So anyway, so we're the total treatment area out of 160 acres is only 15 acres. Really, really good. It's always good news.
Now, the other thing which I we I accomplished with Paul Allen um yesterday, as a matter of fact, the two of us went down and if you go look, the the camera system that we have had funding for is in at the we're gates.
Uh, we did not get I did not get a chance to get a photo of it because he had one more box he had to go home and get and then I forgot to ask him to take a picture of it. So, if you guys are down there, we'll be down there tomorrow. Get a couple pictures. Yeah, we'll be down there. Yeah. Solar powered. Uh, we don't have
the uplink in yet, but uh it's got a terabyte of storage and it's um simple. I can go down there with a laptop and check it out. And check it out. Okay. Okay. So, we will have an up an uplink. Good. Um, so that we will be have be able to
get a live feed if need be. Right now, we want in case you know anything happens down there, we can always go back and look see what went on. Okay. So, that was a bugger to put up. Let me tell you, where do you put it? Do you know on the utility pole? Put it all the way up. Yeah. Well, it's up high enough so kids can't break it.
Right. Okay. Right. You have to have a ladder to get to it. The gates are plugged up a little bit right now. So, but the beaver the we gates are plugged up right now. But there but the beaver dam under by the way. I don't know if anybody looked underneath it. It's got some branches. Pretty hefty branches under
stuff in there. Yeah. But the but the beaver dam is the thing. We're going to get that in the morning. Yeah. If we can't get it, we'll call Kane. He said he'd help us. Okay. So, we'll see. Now, um does does anybody have anything else? One of the review lake management ramp
attendant coordinator. Yeah. What happened with that? We had put in collectively between uh Norm, Sabrina and myself had put in all the requirements for a combined uh LPP
uh lake management secretary and lake management ramp supervision supervisor. And that was for Ellen to increase her hours because she can't go over 18, right? in the current position, right?
And so, I mean, we collected all kinds of information. It went to the select board for their which is what it had to do for their approval because she's going from part-time to essentially like a full-time person, you know. Good. Did that get approved? And they did they asked for more
information, right, Norm? You you were at it and I I listened to it after and Sabrina has given them all the all the details. Okay. And I had already given all the details for lake management, but Sabrina filled in the blanks for LPP
and and what you do for LPP. And the trouble is if we don't do it, what happens? We're kicking the can down the road for LPP. You know, we can kick the can down the road for stuff that, you know, filing and and uh entering data and everything from the
whole year's worth of stuff. That can can keep getting kicked down the road. But the LPP really should happen post haste. Yeah. So they now it's supposed to be on their agenda for the next meeting. They did not meet this past Monday.
No, they didn't. So but they but they there a bunch of part-time people that work for the town and their their thought process was is there enough hours available from that crew of people
to do the office work for concom LPP. Okay. and they wanted to research that because even though uh Ellen Ellen probably is not going to ask for the benefits, the LPP doesn't
pick up the benefits. It just picks up her salary. Okay. So, she would become a she would have the ability being a full-time employee to get benefits. Okay. You know, insurance and stuff like that. Yeah. So, they want more data. But I didn't I
mean just to give me I I didn't take that either. I was full literally full-time. Yeah. Did not got the vacation part but did not take any of the insurance or anything? No. Yeah. Well, you had them took the money in.
Did you have your wife or you just didn't need them? Didn't need them. You didn't need I haven't If you don't take the benefits, do they give you the money instead? No. No. Doesn't work that way. there. I I have one thing is um on um
Middle Pond uh going towards Curts from the middle of the pond there's a red boy. It's not there right now. That's right. Okay. It is up against the shore right there. The two little white ones are up. Okay. The ice the red one. Yeah. The ice bar. The big red one.
Yeah. Is over right at the corner. Now I let like someone cut it or fell off. I let Rick know about that and then he came back and said that it was back on. Well, it's not on. It wasn't on yesterday and that's Was that the one that was out too far that you had brought up? Somebody brought up that was out too far.
It's out quite a ways. That's the one he brought me, but it's there. Okay. So, maybe was going to move it in. I thought two white ones are there. It's on the peninsula right now. Well, just so you know that you know that in fact, while we're sitting here, I'll
just let Rick know that. Okay. I have nothing else. just get frequent and I'll let them know that it's filled. Well, Deb was on there or Paul we CRC I know you had the um
parade was seem to be a success. I heard varying numbers anywhere from 55 to 79. Yes. You know apparently it went off very successfully. It was very well. It was it it went very
well. Got to say that cuz we watched it um and and it was well organized. Everybody behaved. There were no no water balloons. There's no uh cannons being shot off or Was that Friday night? Which night was that? Saturday night. It was Friday night. Yeah, they had the two police boats and
the fire boat out. Y and how many go by? I've gotten varying numbers. Anywhere from 55 to 79. 79 votes. Okay. And I'll get the notes from Deb. Okay. And the and the fireworks on Saturday night were pretty cool.
Oh yeah. Oh my god. All right. Um it was pretty quiet actually. The Fourth of July night. I was surprised how little fireworks were on the lake. I was shocked. And the and the lake wasn't jammed. No, it wasn't. Once the parade ended.
I didn't think it was the parade ended. It seemed to just Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. But wasn't as crazy it's been in the past. Yeah. And it and it was it was worse where I had three times I had water come over the bow of my boat. It's a pontoon boat.
Wait, were you in the parade? No, I was right there. Middle pond. You're the one. I was heading to South. Stay in your own pond. Oh yeah. It gets a little busy out. Insane. In front of N's house. It's pretty busy
in the afternoon with jet skis. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, so you can't go to North Pond. They're now on. So that's the one by the peninsula you're talking about. The south and the south pond was basically blocked up with people swimming everywhere out there.
Yeah, that was on the other side over by the pines. There were a lot of people boats just anchored everywhere all out past our because they're not going to north as much. That's the thing. Actually the sheriff came buzzing through cuz a bunch of jet skiers started loop-de-looping through them all. flashers and you out of here. He
went around about five in a row and they'd left. They never came back. But there was boats out there anchoring. Yeah, they were running the flashers though a lot. Did you notice that in the siren? Yeah, I noticed that they were doing that. Yeah, but there's a boat. There's a boat out there. I don't know if anybody's seen it, but I did. There's a boat
that's got flashing blue lights. I've seen it. I've seen it. And that's cannot be legal. It's not a police boat to have flashing blue lights. I saw that and I assumed it was the police. It was not July 4th. I thought it was the cops who
unless the cops do something about it. Nothing's going to happen. The guy with the tiki bar has a siren. I don't know if you've heard that. Oh yes. Whenever he wants people to come in and drink. I love it. It's just collusious. He's got a siren. He's not ringing it blowing it as much anymore. That's Kenny Crane.
Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. That's funny because he did it. It's not doing places got they got a boulder wall built right into the water. And remember when they put it in? Yeah. They had a brain lifting them in those big hernia block things you see on highways. Mhm. And they started out in the water. Yeah. Anything else?
No. I have nothing. Okay. So, I'll get a hold of Scotty. That wraps that one up. Everybody else, we need to get those out this weekend. Um, and like I said, the treatment is on Wednesday. Yep. and very minimal.
Good. I you can boat. You can do anything. There's no swimming. That's all. There's no swimming. And you know, it's to close it off for boating. Oh, yeah. No, it didn't work. It didn't work last time they tried that either. And we haven't for the last four or five
years. Yeah. Uh it just the areas are so small and they're off in coes. They're not trying to work in in very popular areas, you know, they're working off in a little where nobody else goes. So, what day is he can't swim? The 18th was it or was I can't remember what day
it was. Doesn't matter. 17th 17th. So, that's next Friday youth. 17th 17th, right? And don't drink it. Don't drink it. 75 votes. Okay. Okay. 75 votes. Okay.
I'll make a motion to adjurnn, Dick. And I'll second this. All in favor? I opposed. Stain. Meeting adjourned. Good night. And it is what time? Mike C and Mountain. 7:37. 7:37. We're doing pretty good.
Good job. Who was the M? I was a second.