This is a lake management meeting at 7 PM calling it to order and the meeting is being recorded and anyone else who is recording this meeting must notify the chair and I will take attendance. So Norm Chver
>> here, >> Mike is away. Malcolm Devet >> here. >> Mike Deay >> here. >> Dick Gran's here. Scotty Graves here. >> Eric Muller here. Paul Murphy >> here. And Paul is away. Okay, forum.
So the first thing is the reading of the minutes and there's one error that needs corrected on uh number six on the second page of it and it says
South and South and South and other than that I don't anybody else have any other Make a motion to accept amen. [Music] >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I posted and bingo sheet here. >> Norm Chver. >> Uh, Malcolm Deick Gran's eye. Scotty Graves. Hi. Eric Muller. Hi. Paul Murphy. Hi. Okay. Firm.
Okay. Tom update. >> Yeah. Brief today. Uh discussion number 142 144 violations. Okay.
by that's the law process contact. >> Okay, that's very important. That's a new 623 forest. It's the massive project. Second wall is now
going I [Music] >> have to go buy that. >> By the way, I pumped it in the other day. >> Yeah, >> someone said it was half a million.
>> I heard 300,000. You're saying a half a million? >> Half a million. >> Yeah. So it's Yeah. What's big money? Whatever you're talking big money for a while. >> Rumor was 300 to begin with. It's way >> over. >> Just to get the excavator up and out of there when they're done.
>> Oh yeah. All by itself. >> I haven't se >> Well, I'm sure they're going to have to pull it with something else. >> With something else, right? Right. >> Wow. At some point you're better off with a crane. >> It's a lot of money for a wall. hour. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> Okay. No new news on suffer conser conservation except they had a meeting which was north pond conservation then
[Music] All cut off property over there problem. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. I mean from not using that property as the access different.
>> Well, there's two access. One that's on Patrick's property. >> Yeah. >> It's down here closest to then the main end. >> Yeah. On the on the left. Uh, there's an opening there. That's why the 24
>> rolled razor wire will fix that. >> Yeah. >> Take it take somebody's head off. >> We'll get in trouble. >> Yes. Exactly. Be careful with that. >> That's pretty much the con master plan.
concluded our analysis of how the lead organizations prioritize their stuff versus support groups and found six organizations that such a conflict
on board Now I did include uh after that some uh sheets from the planning board not empic
uh only that the discussion they had had successive discussions on two things that sort of had one definitely the 159 Bure which I'll comment on later so planning board's been addressing that
and they're also addressing ing the uh 157 Being Hills Road the Ste house >> right >> with the buildings that are there in the flood plane and that are are not any cap acceptable so that's an issue
just FYI >> that's my out >> yeah okay so then next we have the 129 North Lake AB on page 12 and 13 and did you ultimately did that
ultimately get returned the money even though they don't have you know >> I didn't authorize that so >> yeah because they don't have they don't have anything permitted there >> what we were going to do is give them credit
that's what she thinks that >> if I had April within your forumach. >> That's it. >> Come up one shortly here. Months later, [Music]
and none of those uh dots are are permanent yet. So I mean they're in still life problem. Um next thing the lake level and water quality lake
level right now last the number that we've taken today got that 224.67 uh feet MSL and that's it there was 2.7 inches of rain yesterday. And it came though.
>> Yeah. All at once. >> So, uh, but it's been hovering. I, you know, I gave you the two sheets in there. You can see we're in pretty good shape. >> For this time of year, it's a little higher than normal. >> Yeah. Yeah. But not bad. >> Depends on next week if we get any
remnants of those hurricanes coming up. Then we could get hit hard. But hopefully we get that big dam out tomorrow with Kane and we'll be good. Yep. Uh, I opened it and I part of it. >> I couldn't believe when I rode my bike up there the number of dance little
ones. >> We've been ripping them out for >> months here. >> Yeah, they must. >> And how many we took out? We probably took five out in the last like two weeks. >> I I couldn't believe I'm looking like that.
>> Go into a training program or something. That's exactly what they did. Fall's coming, guys. That's what they're saying. >> It would be good to know end of the year how many. >> Yeah. >> Because at some point in time we're going to get resistance when we get
finally find someone to trap, >> right? >> Someone in the public's going to complain about it. >> Yeah. >> If we can say took out >> took out x number >> x amount. It's good idea. >> Yeah. For the whole year, we should do that next year. >> Keep in mind taking out a dam or
breaching the dam. Well, today all we're doing is taking a piece of it, right? But they built they rebuild it the next day. >> That's a good idea when we do that. I think it is because we probably took 10 to 15 out this year. >> I took at least three or four out when he was in Florida.
>> So, I mean, I bet you we took at least 10 to 15 out. >> Same one over and over. It doesn't count. We do the same. >> I know. It does. >> They're four feet. >> But the one Scotty worked today was one that you did a couple weeks back a month ago. I know.
>> They built they rebuild as fast as you take them out. >> So, some some really really really good news is and Scotty and and uh Mike Deay and myself met today with with the NRCS
guys that are starting to work. They actually contractor signed it and already started work. We haven't had the kickoff meeting yet, which is going to be on September 12th at 11:00 a.m. That'll be a a team's meeting, and you'll get invitations.
Uh what we want to talk about tonight is who should really attend from LMC and Concom. Uh what do you call it? Uh Nicole is going to attend and Diane Gail. So we have a selectman and our
CEO. I will be there. uh >> you're gonna be there. We probably will have uh Ken Wagner sitting on it. We'll pay him to be a part of it because he's going to be needed as this goes on and
he knows so much about that that whole thing. Uh one other person that that uh but I don't want to have the meeting go all day and all night is the one I've got his I've got his contact information. the one that wrote the and put together all the history of the
canal. >> Oh, >> he lives in North Grand Randy. >> Yeah. Uh I can't think of the name, but >> Michelle will have it. >> Oh, I have it. >> He's done all those talks around here. >> Yeah, you know, I know. >> Yeah, I have all the maps. He gave me
individual maps, too, besides the ones that he sold. Uh the big ones. >> Yeah, I found a big one that I've had years. >> Yeah. But he gave me for each They're like this. They go one, two, three, like this. And they marched down with all the details
>> all the way down to New Haven. >> Uh he did all of Connecticut and Mass up to I think Northampton. >> Okay. He he did Connecticut down to that detail, that level of detail down
to I think >> but I have there's about a dozen separate books that are on each of the sections which I have copies of because I went to his house and we we spent a lot of time talking about I got
something you can have. He came out with he went rumaging came back and he gave me a set of them. So anyway, uh so that's really really good news. >> I'd like to go to that. >> Sure. I think that thing be great. >> Well, let's
>> All right. So we'll have Norm, Mike D, Eric, anyone else that wants to participate? >> Is it during the day? during the day and we're gonna find we're gonna meet up here, right? >> Yeah, we'll meet here and we'll get on
one common uh teams meeting from here. >> On the screen up there, right? >> No, I mean I don't know whether it be this or up in Nicole's >> Oh, okay. >> You want to do it? >> You want to do the meeting? >> Yeah. August. When is that
September 12th? Let's >> go back to Florida. I should still All right. And or maybe either you maybe Nicole will bring u uh Margaret
to take note minutes. If if she can't get Margaret 10 >> minutes September 12th, >> put put on your thing. take a look. I just want to make sure that we have somebody recording what's going on.
>> It'll be a recorded physically recorded meeting anyway. >> Uh the two reps that came out today, what's the name of the company? >> R bar, >> right? >> Charles Charles and Alex, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> They they went and did from Berkshire Avenue that way, you know, toward towards towards Westfield. Next week they're going to come back and we may end up meeting over at Mike's house >> to do the canal >> to do the canal because he's got the
toys in the water just as easy as theirs. We can go right from there. And we're going to walk them down as well into right down into the Connecticut area just to show them the whole situation. and they're doing the the overview and and taking a lot of uh
survey surveying type data, you know, elevations and things like that at given locations. So, they're kind of benchmarking so that they can when we have this meeting, they will have some of the information and say, you know, here's kind of what we think should
happen and then we can all agree. I also uh have sent it to Rhett Banish so Harbor Master can come to it. Ufield already talked to Nicole about that plans to invite Lee Corbett somebody
from their concomment you know whether it's you know first selectment or he sends somebody else uh just so they're involved. Yeah, I don't think at this point if if need be I could also invite
somebody from Grand because the canal does go into Grand Wouldn't hurt. So let me let me find out I can find out from Nicole. She'll know who would be the right person to contact. >> The canal goes is going south on there.
It goes back to the west of War. >> Yeah, >> that where's the prop? Where's this line? >> Uh, actually, you can see it as you're driving down Quarry Road. Uh, well, that's that's not it's Hungry Road. >> Hungry Road at that point. >> As you're driving down Hungry Road, um,
it crosses under >> and you can see where the pavement changes. >> Yep. where it got paid. >> You know, it's close. It's right close to >> They fixed that area too recently down there. Yeah. >> Right where they fixed the area there >> because they replaced that bridge. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. Whatever.
>> Yeah. So, I will I will uh chat with Nicole and she may want to make the contact, >> but I think that'd be a good idea to invite somebody from Brandy, whether it's their DPW guy or selectman. Yeah.
Tell you the one surprise that was that when Mike and I were down there, what was coming from Canon Brook? Next to nothing. >> Yeah. >> Rain last night. >> Even Even with the rain. >> There's beaver dams up Canon Brook and
out by the other. >> Yeah, they are in that spot. They build a dam holding it back. Holding it back up in there. >> Well, there's a big pond up in there, too. And they're holding that. All we got to do is convince them to build their dam someplace else. >> Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.
>> All right. >> And I just uh emailed our senator Paul Mark for asked him for an update on he was trying to get us an earmark for dredging the South Coast. So, find out
what's going on with that. Uh 159 Bergkshire Avenue. Next item up for bid. Uh now Nicole has gotten involved with it because nothing was happening and she called the owner then called the contractor
uh which is Mark's properties are going to be doing the work and she the plans are coming. Mark has the plans and so she asked to have those plans sent to
her. She's got to John myself uh we're in middle of August. >> Yeah. >> And she gave them and they said >> plans that they don't have plans yet. >> No, they have plans and we but we for
some reason they have not been shared with us. >> Have they executed them? >> Nothing. So she statement made well you know uh all these excuses she says September
15th or that fine >> so they got a month they got a month to get this done. >> Yeah >> see what happens >> and it's very doable. There isn't that much work. You know, it's >> probably
six, seven, 10 days of of uh even by the time you get it all reveated and everything, if you you put your mind to it, put the pedal to the metal, you can get it done. Uh so at any rate, the goal bearing the
ball on that one bringing moving dirt. >> Oh, yeah. That's I think they're gonna have to take that whole dam apart. Yeah. >> Because that was one of the things because the claim was made. >> Uh well, we thought we were helping
because we, you know, we'd retain the water and it would infiltrate. >> So, you built an illegal dam >> and process for that, right? Lots of reasons. For example, if the dam fails, >> yeah, what happens? >> What happens to on the other side of
said dam? >> So, at any rate, uh, and the select board's directly involved in it, too. So, there's a lot more pressure being applied. So, the next thing is the vote survey, and you have
the the details for north, middle, and south. They're pages pages 30, 31, and 32. >> Oh, page 29 is the fine that was issued
>> regarding that. That's a big one. >> Page 29 that can get reinstated 159. >> And that's what she told both the owner and the contractor. >> That's going to be six years in December, isn't it? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. that we I remember being here when we talked about it six years ago and that's how far we've gone. >> Not very um so we have the details on north middle and south ponds. >> Yeah. >> And then and you can see the breakout of
Connecticut maps and everything on >> email me the excel. >> Yeah. >> I thought I did >> within the >> Yeah, I emailed I emailed >> as Excel. >> Yeah. Well, I emailed this. >> Oh, okay. I missed it.
>> But but that I emailed as a PDF because >> Oh, no. I want I want to get the >> broad email. >> Email survey to SXL.
Do you want Well, you'll get everything. >> Yes, that's better. >> Okay, I got it. >> Yeah, that's why I printed this because I figured you can't read the thing. Even on the screen, you can't read it.
>> Um, grab the second one there because I highlighted that one. >> This one right here. >> Yeah, take that. >> Yeah. And just remember that The last year was screwed up. You know, the data was screwed up. Uh,
garbage in, garbage out. Somehow some of the numbers didn't get reported right. Um, and then the last thing was there, but it's been this controversy about die. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And so, kind of the good news is we were not bothered by that. We did not have any of the protests, but it's one individual that started the whole thing on regarding >> on Instagram. Yeah, it was started on
Instagram and and uh with bad information and and Daquad happened to be one of the safest chemicals, you know, that when they went to manufacture ground up and they made them
take Dquad out, which is not a problem. So what they put back in it's far worse. >> Yeah. >> So So you know you get people that got all kinds of funny uh 30 years and six eyes if you use the stuff that they have
today. >> So yeah, Penn came to the CRC meeting. >> Yeah. >> On Tuesday. Answered some questions. um yeah the the active ingredient up it's not dquad it starts with a G and
um and again that that was actually not the cancer causing agent it was additives that are the Roundup not the active ingredient in the Roundup >> but somehow the active ingredient in Roundup got took out >> and it got a black eye from the lawsuit
even though it didn't anything to do with anything. But but Ken did a nice job sort of explaining stuff. There were a few people asked a few questions. Um you know the the guy who started the whole thing wasn't there. Um
>> who who was it that started it? >> It's in it's in this >> Oh, it is in the thing because I was talking about the one that had Instagram and all over Connecticut was going >> Oh, yeah. >> That one was nasty. >> And and and it >> they were calling it Agent Orange and all kinds. >> Oh yeah. and even went after the Army
Corps, you know, >> the one that's managing it for the whole country. >> Ken, you know, Ken explained, you know, some of the key factors here to keep in mind. One is we're treating 15 acres out of about 475, so it's an incredibly small area. The
die plot has the advantage that it doesn't move around, >> right? >> You know, where you put it is where it stays. And so that's why it's desirable when you have spots to treat. Whereas when we had to treat the whole lake for for >> right you use sonar or fluoridone that
propagates like crazy. If you're going to treat your whole leg it's it's it's actually a milder and it's a nicer chemical to use except for then you have to treat the whole lake >> and kill all the weeds which is not what we try to do. So you know he did a nice
job of explaining it. I understand he also said that basically he doesn't like chemicals, right? But the but the but is we have to use them unfortunately. >> Right. >> And we're lucky that we are not the
Connecticut hydrilla nightmares. >> Oh yeah. And the the amount of hydrillaa was if you look at the maps and the color of the dots and I could email the the I think I did email one um where they
treated and whether it's hydrella and it did show up at the north rank which wasn't last year so it's migrated there and it showed up in a couple other >> or somebody brought it or somebody >> that would be the place to bring it in too right there. >> Oh yeah. But it was also across from
Saunders uh on the Eastern Shore and it was down in uh the Connecticut Cove. It was a couple of spots in the Connecticut Cove and a couple spots over by the uh Gem Marina. So it's, you know, it's but
what's nice it's kind of, you know, like that. It's not >> fact starts to it starts to really take hold of a real mess on your hands and and we have to get a lot more aggressive and a lot more expensive. and Solitude just
did a second survey just completed Wednesday. >> Yeah. The other thing he pointed out was he said, you know, an alternative that would work are these barriers. He said, so the comparative cost is, you know,
the cost of this treatment s is about $15,000. He said the cost of the material for the barriers with no labor for that area is $650,000. >> Oh my god. >> And that's just for the material. >> Yeah. >> So it's not
>> this is not Texas. >> So it's not it's not that it's you know it's not that there's no other way. >> There are other ways. >> There's a there's a cost difference that's pretty stunning. >> Yeah. >> So that's I do think that they will come
though. in our lifetime that you'll have somewhere in the town of South Washington station before you put them in the lake. The day will come. >> Yeah, >> that big in Lake George.
>> I I understand. But but >> think about this >> the you're not washing out the engine when they, you know, when they wash the boat. You're not washing between the beds and the boat. I don't I don't know the
process they're doing at Lake George, but they are tough. >> That's right. But >> yeah, if it gets away from you in Lake George, can't treat it, >> right? >> It's so big, you know, can't treat it. We >> we have something that can be treated,
>> right? And they and the >> can't treat it. The other thing is if you start mcking around with somebody's engine, >> you know, tell them to >> issues, >> you know, you could only >> but Lake George Lake George has a process that they follow. Um, yes, they
absolutely, you know, they do. >> They're tough. >> Yeah. >> And again, because in their case, if it gets away from them, they can't treat it. >> Yeah. It's so big, you can't even begin to treat. >> It's just not it's not addressable. So, I think it makes sense. But we've been doing very well with if you look at our
track record the when they first did the Florida dome treatment sonar uh >> what year was it? >> It's 20 maybe 30. I have a record of every one
of them and and uh so the following year I'm just picking a number. I think maybe it was like say 50 acres had to be treated that you know came back then the next year was maybe 35 acres and the next year 25 acres and now we're down in
the noise consistently each year now we're around 13 15 acres uh and and they're little they're spots they're they're not you know >> now now we have >> but that's counting hydraulic >> did we ever find out this person who
told the voter that went in the day we were treating with chemicals. He could ski and water ski and swim and everything else. >> Well, he he called actually called me and and then he fled ignorance and I
said, you know, I'm sorry, but it's posted everywhere. It's been on co on our code red. It's on Sfield's equivalent of code red. It was on uh CRC website, Southwick website, Southfield
website. You know >> where did he put his boat in? He put it in down there. >> He put it in at the ramp and he didn't see it anywhere. >> And it's posted at the ramp. >> Okay. So, >> well, he said the ramp s.
He was at the same swim with a kid this time. >> Yeah. That wasn't treated anywhere near that. By the way, the other thing the other thing about it is just like Eric said, it doesn't migrate. >> No. So, you know, >> probably okay. >> It's fine. >> Then I had one other guy that I went out in the boat to try to say, "Hey, you're
not supposed to be this guy's g me a hard time. Oh, I've been here 15 years. This doesn't do anything to this and that, but >> yeah, I know better. >> I'm not gonna fight over this one. >> You're a good guy." >> You didn't say, "Oh, I see it affects your intelligence."
Exactly. >> The other guy was upset though. Had his hand. He was upset. >> But I think he said it was a guy. >> It was a guy, but he had a kid. >> Oh, no. I mean, I think it was >> I'm sorry.
>> I think it was Bruce. >> Yeah. Right. >> I mean, those are days to me. You should just shut down the rap and say, "No, we we should have nothing that day. No boating. It makes it a lot easier." >> Well, they they did that. They used to do that, but the with the treatment
areas going down and down and down, >> they have issues for people on vacation. Yeah. >> They want to ride around on the party boat if they weren't there. >> Um >> that's a that was a big vacation. >> Yeah. Then the the last thing like is the fiscal year 25 cost sharing which
is page >> page 36 Paul Harvey and and uh so after the meeting with with uh CRC they had already had planned on concurring with a
one-ird one third one third split because we took away most of the of the cost with the hydraulic grant. So it it absorbed >> most of the costs
>> and so they agreed to go one third one third $5,800 each, you know, South. >> So that was good. So we and the I hear down there.
>> No. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Because it's all being absorbed by the when you treat hydrillaa and the way it happened this year is even better because they w up treating
at getting both at the same time. It all depends on water. >> So how much grant did we get to treat that? 250k for the three years. But that's not years for 250. >> It's not just >> assessment and treatment. >> We have extra money. >> No, it's
>> it's there. But we're dealing with >> Yeah. But I mean the big bucks are going to Stantech who is is using DNA and they can actually detect hydrillaa spores.
You don't they don't have to see the plant. All it does is when spores break law and migrate around, they can detect 100 150 200 feet away and know that there's hydraulic over there >> and then they'll home in on it and solo
tube will actually go in and they map it. >> So between the two, you got the one that says look over there and the other one says, you know, it is right there. So that's what's that's what's going on.
Um so that that's you know that uh one third one third one third split is nice because we were what we were doing is we were splitting 50/50 on all but the lake treatment. So this is 5050 one third one
third one third for anything to do with the water including testing. >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, she or she >> Yeah. >> Oh, and before I forget, the other thing which I didn't say was that uh they're
CRC has given them has authorized and and they're actually buying the the buoy lights and uh neighbor two one two three about four houses down from me uh works in Hartford
and has that uh where they train people the be machinists and whatnot. They're I have the first prototypes. We had three of them and they look really really good. >> In fact, the company that makes the
buoys is very interested in them >> in having them fabricate them for them. >> That's right. >> So, they may get a a business out of that business deal. >> Suckers. Yeah, they are they are really
really uh beautiful job pat >> because there's so many of them. >> It's not it's not patent >> pat. >> Why do we use micro micro backs? >> There's no closer.
>> The reason we keep them and specifically worked with them to develop the procedures that they use to do the measurements. He said for years, >> he said for years he had worked with lots of different labs and one of the
problems was that if they didn't have really good procedures, you could get results that all over the place didn't mean anything. >> You're saying there's no other labs that have high standard. >> There's no other lab that can knows for
a fact. >> That's a long drive. >> That's a long drive, right? To deliver stuff and get it back. But the but we do that but we do that with our water department samples water samples. If we could pick a day when they because they
do a milk run when they come they come and pick them up >> from the water department. >> So if we could coordinate with them and do the samples not sure if we can but then they would go with the person that's picking them up. And the other
thing is got burned by lab and I'll leave the names out. There's a lab nearby to the north of us. There's another lab nearby to the east of us and we got burned by both of them. And in fact I
did a lot of research. Uh this was for the water park and what what they were using it was a color instead of instead of doing counts actual counts and they just and so is it light green
yellow slightly yellow and they were it's all BS numbers and what happens is then D sees that as a failure and they say Oh, well you have to chlorinate your water. It wasn't a failure because what I did
do is I took the took the samples had our water guys take duplicate samples out of the same places and we took like a half a dozen of them. So it's from youu you you you know all over town and we took took the
samples sent one half of them to our normal place that we do business with and then the other half to a lab that does it by looking in the microscope and counting the the cells. And so that's
that's your accurate way. Costs more to do it that way. But they charge you the same and they just put a couple drops of stuff in there and then look at and say, "Yeah, that looks kind of yellowish." You know, uh, >> so the >> and it it turned out just to make the
long story short is that when I investigated, I started contacting other water companies in the Commonwealth and they found found the same thing that they were getting burned by these companies that were adopted this color
color It's called the electric scale. It's how you test your >> fluid. I was just gonna say it's like I test by >> Exactly. I test the hot tub. >> It's not accurate. >> It's not accurate. >> No, it's, you know, plus or minus a yard, an inch. Plus or minus a yard. >> So, the the thing is that the set of
tests we need are also not tests that every laboratory does, >> right? >> You know, we're we're testing them with very specific tests for the sort of water test we do. And that's not something that just everybody does. So when we got into this, like I said,
originally talked to Ken. He kind of gave me the whole story of, you know, he worked with lots of different places. And you know, this is one that you can certify, yes, these folks, >> they do things correctly. They do it consistently.
>> You don't have to look twice at the numbers, you know, because otherwise we we go to somebody else, we get some funny results, and then what are we doing? We're doing measurements again and if we get so we get funny results we'll wind up going let's go take the sample to microback and see if they
agree with the funny results >> see if you can do the testing on the milk run that's what you got to check >> yeah that that's really difficult for me because I'm trying to coordinate already multiple people and then try to coordinate that
>> when the milk runs >> and then the other grab a coffee ride out that It's just that you said just something closer in this place. You're basically on the New York border. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Why did you ask that question?
>> Who ask that question? >> Why did I ask that question? >> I got any discussion here and answer. >> All right. >> All right. Anything else? Anybody else? >> All right. Entertain a motion.
>> I'll make the motion. >> We a lot of seconds there, man. Unanimous. >> All in favor? I >> opposed. >> Unanimous.