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Okay. Um, fantastic. So, this is the meeting of the library trustees of Southwick, uh, town of Southwick, Massachusetts. It is June 9th, 2026, 7 o'clock, and we are starting our meeting.

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>> We'll do a roll call vote. Michael McMahon here. >> Andrea Bugby here. Heather Duny here. >> Cindy Warner here. Tracy Mezwar here. Okay.

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>> Okay. Tammy Sak Bizalon is not present and that is it. So >> I don't see any public public comments unless there's someone online. >> Nope. And no one's online. So no public comments.

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>> We'll go on to communications. >> Okay. So the May department head report um I hope all of you have received that by email or there's a copy here. Uh so in May we had uh 10 adult programs

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with 129 in attendance. We had four teens programs with 15 coming. And for children we had eight scheduled programs with 68 in attendance. For passive programs, we had the maker space with 40. Baby welcome

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bags, we had one. Uh 10,00 books before kindergarten were 12. Scavenger hunt, there were 39 children participating. Dramatic play, which is very popular, that was 103 children. Discovery zone 71, coding zone were 18. passive

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programs like the adult book box and the teen book box. We are suspending just for this summer, but we would normally have that every other month. All right. And going on to the director's report on with the statistics

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on the back side of this page, we have May 2025 compared to May 2026. Um circulation is down just slightly about 5,165

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coming through the doors. Um we had 2007 for average circulations. Uh reference questions we had 558. I know that has gone up quite a lot. I think it's because we've been encouraging people to record them more. Um we do get

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asked a lot of questions in general. It's just a matter of having staff recording them. Um, for new library cards, we had 20. And for computer usage, we had 120 occasions. We had 2,746 people coming through the doors with our

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door counter. Um, gifts and deposits, we had 1,134. That is broken down by uh Sarah Gillette grant that came through for a thousand. that's been approved by the select board and uh $100 from a patron which also has

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been approved for deposit. We had ills going out $1,11 and ills coming in 632 which are pretty similar to last year at this time. Curbside has been falling off and of course I know we've we've kind of left

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that and decided it wasn't um being put to the use it was meant for now. So for Hoopla checkouts, we've had 182. That's been very constant. Uh Libby is 1,178. So slightly down from last year, but not

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by much. Okay. Uh in addition to the day-to-day, we have programs that were offered in May, including a presentation on King Phillips War, more to culture with the South Land Trust, dropin hours with the regional public health nurse. There were two kindergarten uh classes

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that came to visit this week. Um each visit will include did include an introduction to the library and a performance by breeze balloons. So we had them roaring. They were having a lot of fun. In June this month, we will continue to offer the popular children's programs including prek pals, story

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time, and the evening mix it up event with outdoor activities. Adult programs include music and memory about the power of music and dementia, nefarious New England, uh, Weird Tales from New England, and a class on creating an indoor water garden. We have the summer

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reading program kicking off on June 24th from 5 to 7:00 p.m. 7:30 p.m. with Malicious Ice Cream Truck, Glitter Tattoos, Firefly, Fields, Mobile Zoo, and more. Pre-registration for that just began on Monday and the program

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officially runs from June 24th to August 7th. Mobile mini golf will return by popular demand this year for the culminating event on August 7th to create an indoor mini golf course at the library. That was really fun last year. >> Do you charge a fee or something for

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>> No, we don't. We just welcome people to come on in and they do a little circuit that goes all the way around the library and into the children's room and back out. And I think it takes at least half an hour for them to do it. Um, if you're really really fast, you could probably do it in about five to seven minutes. Some of the teens are that fast, but

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it's really good fun. Um, seed library statistics. We, this has been one of our most popular uptakes. We've done a third restock of um, the seed library in early May. And since the beginning of this financial year, patrons have taken over 500 packets of seeds. And so, we're

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starting to kind of wind that down a little bit. I have a question. Um, so all of the numbers are down. >> Yes. >> Um, not not significantly, but down and is do is there any kind of reason behind

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that that you would guess? Yeah, I think I think the reason is probably because we have had fewer programs this month. Um, with the turnover, the change over from Lynn going off and then me taking on, she didn't want to overload the schedule too much. So, the transition

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there has had a slight impact on the numbers, but I feel confident that that will pick up again as we go through the summer and certainly into the fall. Um, I think that the library is really strong. One of the things that brings people through the doors is programming. And with fewer programs being offered,

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there are less people that come. You have your regulars who are dedicated and come every week. But, you know, trying to catch folks who wouldn't normally come out. You need to have those programs. >> And I thank you. And I have another question which is so your adult

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programs. Yeah. 129 attendees for 10 programs. That's I think that's great. So, were there any programs that were offered recently that were particularly popular? Um, I think that um the King

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Phillips War program was was full really full up. We had 45 possible attendees and it was 44 who had registered for it. Um there were maybe five or six who just didn't show, but it was really quite full. The room was and and he was really

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good, very informative. um lots of people stayed afterwards to ch to you know ask questions and to talk about it and so it was a really very well attended um talk alto together so that was probably the most popular one um as far as attendance goes um the

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morticulture one was was pretty good as well but um I'd say it's definitely the king Phillips war yeah the local history >> about how many people did you have for that warultural >> um what did I have for that let me see I don't have the number in front of me um >> how many did up 10 or 15.

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>> Yeah, something like that. It was somewhere around 8 8 to 8 to 12, I think. So, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's talking about woodlands and >> Yeah. Yeah. ecology, the kind of environment, things that are, you know, affecting forestry, um, biological

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processes. Yeah. Absolutely. Because remember at the last meeting Lynn had mentioned it and at least for myself I had no idea what >> I know the word wasn't familiar with what that word meant until this. >> Yeah. Until Lyn then explained what it

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meant. >> I have a dead tree in my front yard because of that. Just for all those reasons. >> Yes. >> We're trying to protect rabbits and >> woodpeckers. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, even down to the the fun guy that grows, you know, it has

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a purpose in the life cycle. So, absolutely good stuff. I noticed in the main uh minutes there's one one little error here. I don't know where the numbers came from. on the second page, we're still at the

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FY2027 budget that the library was level funded at $95,000. >> Oh, I think she meant um information materials lines. Yeah, I noticed that too. Yeah, that would be something to make make a point.

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>> Oh, no, no, that's Yes, I did. Yes, I saw that. >> It's 512,583. So, do we have a motion to change that or do we need to? >> We probably do. If someone were to look at the six months amount,

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>> you run your library for 95,000 bucks. >> So, so moved. I move that we change the first line of that paragraph to say the information material lines of the Southwick public. Oh, Southwick. The

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town of Southwick has level funded the information materials line of the library at 95075. >> Right. >> Perfect. >> Thank you, Michael. >> Are there any other edits for the

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minutes from last month on Zoom? Any comments? No. >> Do we have a motion to approve the minutes? >> I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second it. >> Okay. It sounds like the minutes have

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been approved with the edit. Okay. So, moving along for old business, we have the financial 2027 budget discussion that we had from the last meeting. Um, budget was approved, everything seemed

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fine. Um, I was very grateful myself for the increase in salaries. Um and I think what we will do is as we discussed last meeting um we will carry on in in terms of state aid and if we have to um use

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some of the state aid lines a little bit to fill out the information materials then that is what we will do taking into the 19%. And of course, the state legislature is still working on next year's budget, so we don't know what state aid to local

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libraries is going to look like. >> True. I mean, >> the way they're talking, there was a notice in the Westfield News yesterday or today that the always in January, the governor's office gueststimates what

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revenue was going to be each month. And apparently it last month came in at one I think it was like 1.8 billion more >> oh right >> than they were hoping for. So it doesn't sound like we're going to be in trouble

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and all during the year since last October it's been ahead. There haven't been months where it's well we're down by 50 million. What are we going to do to close the gap? >> So that sounds good. >> That's a good that's a promising sign. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Very good. Very good. Okay. So, um are there any other comments about next year's budget? >> So, how about the electric and natural gas? >> Yes. So, we'll move on to this year's budget. We are in the process of kind of

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closing things out um and wrapping up and winding down this year's budget. I did want to draw your attention to where we're at with that in terms of the electricity and the fuel lines. We did

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have an injection of um an increase in the electricity line which is great of course and that has done wonders for that. I don't worry about the electricity line now too much but we are running um very very close on the fuel

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line. We have um for electricity we have about 7,543 left at the moment and for fuel we have about 76830. Um this last week the accountant Laura

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has been in touch with me and we have been discussing the fuel line and how it's problematic. Um this year we have had increases in fuel costs which we have not expected. Um the fuel line has

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run short and she has been able to take 350 out of the electrical line and transfer uh well reduced the electrical line by 350 and she has increased the fuel line by 200 to bring it up to that 768

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figure. Um, we are going to have to work very carefully over the next week or two with the next bills coming in to see whether that is going to be sufficient or whether it will run over. I think it will run over by a couple hundred. So, in which case I'm not too worried. We

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have got an extra amount in supplies of about 900 and we are a little bit little bits and pieces of of other lines have extras. So, >> we usually have a little bit of excess cash. >> Yeah. under salaries, >> right? And there is some wiggle room. Um

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Laura really likes to have everything wrapped up and I respect that hugely because I like that too. Everyone wants to know where they stand on things and nobody wants, you know, to go into the red in terms of budgets. So, we're working very closely. But just so you know, the fuel line is

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it's it's tight. It's very tight. >> Well, it it just you can't really guess a year ahead of time how cold or how hot is it going to be? Are we going to be using extra electric for the air conditioning or this past winter it was much colder than the last four or five

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years, right? >> Or we using more natural gas. >> Yes, we're in the season crossover where um the energy that we were using to heat is kind of going down. So, some of the bills are are reducing, but we're also coming into the hot hotter weather where

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some of the bills for air conditioning and electricity are are increasing. So, uh, Laura said, "We are by no means the only department facing fuel energy issues. There are many many other, um, departments that are facing the exact

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same thing. And unfortunately, as she stated, we can't predict what the next bills will be very easily because because we're in that shoulder season of energy use." Well, plus the fact you don't know what electric rates are going to be or gas rates

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>> six months or a year ahead of time, >> right? It's it's very very difficult. Um, and of course we, you know, several years ago we were given an allocation with with electricity and then that was reduced substantially and then they returned some of that back to us. So,

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it's it's kind of like a balancing act that's really awkward and it's hard. Um, I don't like it, but you know, there's nothing you can do. You kind of have to with fuel and energy. It's almost like a reactive position that you have to be in rather than an active position because you can turn the lights out as much as

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you want. But the the infrastructure here is going to remain the same in terms of requiring a certain amount of fuel energy to keep it going. is the same as if you look at the budget over the last eight or 10 years, the natural

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gas line was $8,400, which was a magic number after they insulated the building. Before that, it was 16 or 18,000 a year and we used all of it. Then it was 8,400 for years and then it's the selectment to select

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the utility and who's going to supply electric and gas to all town buildings >> and we have nothing to do. I don't even know who the the utilities are now that we're paying for the service. They negotiate that stuff and they have won

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no way in knowing couple of years ahead of time what the rates are going to be. >> Right. >> So it bounces around. Yeah. >> So then the 8,400 became not enough when rates went up and then we had a cold winter. So you're using more. So it's

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>> you're giving your best guess, but that's all you could do. >> Yeah, absolutely. Well, the good thing about it is we are not really over in the red on many other lines. Um we've kept a tight control over absolutely everything in the information materials

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line. We are the last um budget balance sheet that came out from accounting a couple weeks ago, Laura had mentioned we were $71 in the hole, but um that's okay because I've managed to go back in and cancel some of the and tidy up the

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accounts so that some of the orders um by the vendors were delayed or weren't able to be filled and then they had later shipment dates of June 30th or perhaps even into July and September. So, I could cancel some of those orders and that cuts us right back down. So,

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we're in the in the in the black again now. So, that's fine. Um, so we shouldn't be going over in info materials at all. >> In terms of part-time salaries, does it look like we'll be giving back a chunk of money for free? >> Oh, yes. There's there's always that

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>> because some years I know it's been 10 $15,000, >> right? That one. We average about $12,000 um each pay period in part-time salaries. So we have what is this the middle of June we have maybe one or two

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more which at the most would be $24,000. It never goes up very much more than that. And we have $31,936 in the staff salaries line right now. So that's a good um six seven,000 more than

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what we will need. So, >> and are you allowed to borrow from that page? >> They don't like us to. So, >> okay. >> Yeah. >> So, it's kind of one of these interesting I mean, we we approach this every year and it's kind of like this dance that we do. We talk to accounting.

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Accounting says, "Well, you need to fix this and maybe we can do something with that." And it's, you know, we work through the whole month very closely. And Laura said to me, "Okay, well, you got to keep in touch with me about the fuel line and the electricity." And I said, 'Absolutely. The minute I get another bill, I'm going to be on the

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phone with you. And so, we will work it through that way. But, uh, yeah, it's it's a very unpredictable, awkward kind of thing, but what else can you do? So, we just have to keep a close eye on it. As she said, >> as you said sat there at 1:00 in the

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afternoon, oh, we've used enough electric for today. We have to turn off all the lights and all the computers for the rest of the day. >> Even if that would work. >> No, I know. Absolutely. >> Silly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's pretty much where we're at with the budget, but I feel I feel confident

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we're doing great. Um we still have um a good amount in our gift aid accounts and our state aid accounts. Uh so, we are not doing too badly at we're going to be fine. Yeah. So, that's that. Um

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any questions about the budget? It's not ideal, but I think seems like you guys have really handled a handled a tight situation quite well. >> Well, thank you. We we try. I mean, I think these times are very tough for all

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departments and um you know, some of the things we've been thinking about doing, we we're we're looking at new ways of um providing the same types of goods and services. Um we have used Amazon. We've we've flipped vendors from our from

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Ingram and when they were going through difficulties, we've changed and kind of pivoted gone to Amazon who was able to ship. Amazon has a great I I don't like using them, but they they have a really good infrastructure in terms of delivery. So, we order something and generally it's here, it's reliable, it's

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dependable. So, that's been good. Um, even right down to small things like stationery. We have, as you all probably know, when you take a book out on the inside front cover, we have those bookmarks, the little labels that we have printed up and we stick in there so that people can record their initials to

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say, "Oh, yes, I've already read this book." And they can check it when they want to come and and choose a new book and say, "Oh, I've already read it. I don't want" and put that back on the shelf and get it something different. But recently, we've been trying to look at how can we conserve and cut costs, you know, across the board. So, we

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drafted up um a word document with that exact information in that format um in little squares so that we can print it out on pieces of paper and just use glue sticks to to stick those in the books instead of having it printed at cost, you know, downtown. So, it's small

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things like that, but we're trying we're trying really hard to kind of keep a grip of what we spend our money on. Um, you know, as as evidenced by like the supplies line still has $900 in it, which is great. Um, and we're not interested in spending everything right down just for the sake of spending. We

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do want to be conscious of being able to just re, you know, order the things that we really require to keep the library going. So, >> it is just one of the things of the last few years. It started with CO, it's continued on. >> Yes. If you go into staples and you look at the price of paper or toner

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cartridges, they've skyrocketed 40 or 50% in the last three or four. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. >> So it's like if you can buy an extra toner cartridge or two or few boxes of paper at 50 or 60 bucks a box used to be

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25 or $30 box. Buy it now because you know three months from now it's going to be an extra five or 10 bucks. >> Yeah. The toner cartridges. I I was just looking at those today and they're running in around 231 each for our printer or computer printers and

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photocopers and it's an all-in-one unit, but it requires four different cartridges for all the colors and things as you probably know how it works. But so that's close to $1,000 worth of ink. And I'm not sure how long they last for. I'd say many months. But it's one of

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those things that it's a consumable that needs to be replaced and we need to have, you know, that in order to work um to to provide the community with the facilities that they need. We just had a lady come in today to do a will um or at least get a draft printed out. And so it's that kind of thing that, you know,

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we we want to be able to have goods and services and materials ready for people so they can they can do that. Um but, you know, it's okay. we have enough stuff at the moment so we can make it through the next month or two and into the new financial year. And then we'll look at those printer cartridges again and think about ordering some when we

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need them. >> Because I I' I've noticed like copy paper 5,000 sheets. It's like 40 bucks at Costco. It used to be maybe five or 10 more at Staples. Now it's like 60 bucks at

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Staples for one box. >> Yeah. We order >> And there's no competition in the area. It's not like years ago we had Office Depot and Office Max. So there was some competition in New England. They all moved out because this is Staples Land. Like this

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is Duncan Land and everyone else moves out. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah. Paper. It just it's a challenge. Yeah. Well, we're doing the best we can. I think we're doing okay. So, um we should move on to any other

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matters. I can't think of anything else. >> I have something. Um I just got an email notification today that the Massachusetts Board of Library Commission

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Commissioners is um on July 15th at 2 PM which is hard for the trustees who are working. There's going to be a presentation about uh library return on investment. Oh yes. And the idea of it

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is sort of to educate us to talk about you know the library costs the town money but the library the return on investment um for the library to the town is is great. So if anyone would like I can send you the registration

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link um or if you like I've I have registered and I can give a quick I can go and give a quick synopsis the next time we meet after that. I saw a um an email addressing that that

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program and it was from one of the other library uh employees, directors in the network and they were saying that it was an impressive figure when you think about the amount of dollars that are going into the library. The return on

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investment is three or fourfold on what is actually given to begin with. So, say, you know, if the library's given a $1.50, um, we're giving back to the community three or$4 dollars in in goods, services, and entertainment and and all

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that. So, so I I I would highly recommend anybody wants to join that program. It's quite useful. >> The on the MBLC website a few years ago, they used to have a calculator and it told libraries, look at how many books you borrow from the system.

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take that and multiply it by a campa 25 or $28 a book if your library had to go out and buy it. So all of a sudden you've got 25 30 $40,000 of books you didn't have to buy but your patrons got

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the use of it. >> Oh yeah. I I have to say I spent most of the day programming, sorry, not programming, um cataloging today and I was having to put the input the price of the books into the computers and um on each each record and it's astounding.

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Some of the large print books now are running close to $40 for each novel, which I am just flabbergasted by. I can't even imagine that. And the the usual price for a good high-quality book, novel, non-fiction is about $32.

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So that's a lot for most people to try to afford to go out and buy. So you as trustees, we really rely on you a lot for advocacy and and being able to communicate to the community how much of a value we do provide. Um, people don't

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realize it, but you know, instead of going to Barnes & Noble and blowing your your $100 on just one or two, three books, you can come to the library and it's all free. Maybe we need to do and I know people are doing doing a good job, the staff,

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but maybe promoting a little more. I think it's there's little things over at the reference desk about anyone can access back issues of the Springfield Republican. >> Yes, >> that's funded, I think, by the city of Springfield or by somebody. >> Yes.

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>> I haven't tried doing it, but I I read the little thing. And there's lots of other books and magazines. >> Oh, yeah. >> Through the MBLC you can access. >> There are databases. There's Hoopla. Um,

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there's Libby and Overdrive. I mean, if you if there are magazines that people want that we don't have, you know, on on Libby, there are hundreds. I mean, absolutely hundreds. And anyone who's ever gone on there is, you know, it's usually impressive to see that. But you're absolutely right. The Springfield

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um libraries have provided access to the Republican archives, and so you can dredge up any kind of um newspaper from, and I'm not sure how far back it goes. I don't know if it's 1880 or but I can find that information now. So >> yeah, it's on the little thing. Yeah,

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>> it's by the reference test. >> But I mean that's great even if you want to find something from five or 10 years ago particular things like I know there was a newspaper article about that and I can't remember the details. >> Oh yeah. And it feeds into things like um genealogy research if you're into

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that. Um, you know, you can find out a lot of information from Ancestry that we have on our computers here and and other all kinds of different resources. So, >> descending is apparently through the MBLC or whatever databases you can access the Boston Globe and

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other >> newspapers. They did have to cut some of that back, right? But I think they are in I saw an email that coming through that they are in the process of re refunding some of those things and they're settling on which ones they're going to offer and which

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databases right at the moment. So we should find that out very soon. Yeah, I'm personally interested because Canada just passed a uh a new bill which leaves people who have ancestry

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of people family members who were born in Canada to apply as um lost Canadians. So, I love this about ancestry. You can kind of go in and dig through the records and find out and you can get your citizenship that way. So, it's it's all fun.

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my Canadian. >> Are you a lost Canadian? >> Yes. >> So, I do have another question which is um so how are you doing? Do you have any needs? Um how's the transition going?

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>> Oh, it's um it's fine. It it's kind of I think my dad used to say spinning plates in the air. So, part of the week I work on logistics in terms of getting the warrant payables ready and the payroll ready. Once I have that done, there's usually a little three or four days of a

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break. And so, right now, I'm in that break where I'm just doing cataloging. And I haven't been able to get going with the cataloging the last week and a half because I've been busy with the paperwork for just keeping the library running with the bills and the invoices and all that. So, it's it's it's a fun

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kind of break from that. But, I can see the deadline coming Friday and payroll's back on my desk again. So, I've got to fill that out and make sure I get that in for Friday and then process the the invoices. So, it's kind of there's always stuff to do. Um, so I'm trying. So far, I've been keeping up with it

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really well. Um, and the staff has been great. Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, if there's anything I can do to help out, you know, fantastic." There's really not much they can do. But, uh, but we're doing okay. And we did have to cancel volunteers for one week because I couldn't get the cataloging done enough

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so that they could have something to work on. So, that was one thing that fell through the cracks and I'm sorry about that, but there was really no way I could get everything done. and that as well. So now I'm working on the cataloging and then I'll go back to the the warrant payables probably what Thursday. So but it's going okay. It's

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just it's a lot but I think we can do it. So keeping a good attitude, making sure you get some rest. Um and then just making sure you keep a breast of deadlines is really important. So people are helpful. Everyone's been

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counting has been wonderful. you know, people are responding. Like if I have a question, I get an answer from town hall right away. So that's that's great. That really helps me out. U so so that's been good. I'm doing okay. >> And of course, some of the policies that

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town hall has changed over the last couple years. It probably made life a little easier for True. for purchase orders. >> Oh my gosh. Yes. And actually this is one reason why I feel that we are going to be able to do this quite well because when town hall got rid of purchase

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orders um that freed up a whole chunk of time in my schedule and then I could really devote that to drilling down on the budget and and reconciling what the accounting office was giving me for balances with what my running total. I have an Excel spreadsheet that I've

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crafted and and kept all all these years. And most years it's been off a little bit, but the last two years or so since they got rid of the purchase orders, I've been able to really focus on that much more. So my balances are exactly the same as accountings this year and it's absolutely thrilling. So

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we are all on the same page and everything is awesome. >> It just apparently they kept purchase orders over some dollar amount. Just a small >> Yes, they still >> you didn't have to do a purchase order for a $30 toner cartridge, which was the old process for hundreds of years.

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>> Yes, if it's something they are starting to require purchase orders this month just because they need to have something written down to keep track of how everyone is spending. And that's fine. That's just part of the kind of the overall year end budget reconciliation that that

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but overall that has really getting rid of the purchase orders has really helped me a lot in terms of being able to be better um efficient more efficient at doing my job and that helps Lynn and that helps the whole thing run better. So >> yeah, we're doing good. >> This fiscal year ends June 30th.

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>> June 30th. We've got like three weeks. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, that's how we're doing. Um, >> any questions from Zoomland? >> No, I'm good. >> No, I'm all set. >> Great.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay, we have with things. Do do I hear a motion to adjurnn or you >> want to set our next meeting date or just talk about that quickly? >> I think it was in the minutes, was it? >> It might be.

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>> Uh, Tuesday, July 14th. >> Hold on. >> Yes, that's correct. Tuesday, July 14th will be our next meeting. No meeting in August unless there's something urgent. Okay. We ready for a motion to adjourn? We

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>> I'm sorry. I know you're like, "Oh, it's 7:35." Do um >> Cindy and um Tracy, it's seems that Kathy Fishbach is not going to be returning.

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>> That's correct. I re I reached out to Kathy just to say um wanted to confirm that you're still wanting to be on the on the board of trustees and so that we can kind of start the process or figure out where where we are and what we have to do. And she wrote back and said um

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thanked me very much and she said it was a very educational and interesting experience but that she was not interested in continuing to pursue it at this time. So she won't be um >> okay >> our board. >> So if you know of anyone else who's

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interested contact have them contact the uh the select board office because there will be a joint meeting of the select board and the trustees to appoint someone. that usually like board does is they

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contact the two political parties, let them know just so that it's, you know, wide open for all those crowds of people or interest. It's like you you're waiting for people to get on the bus and the bus is sitting there but there's

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nobody getting out. >> Oh, who wouldn't want to be a trustee of the library? We're good guys. So, so is she so would we be fulfilling what a two-year term or a one-year term? What does she have

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left? >> One year term. >> One year. Okay. Any other comments? >> No, I'm done. I swear. >> Thank you. Then how about a motion to adjourn the

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meeting? Uh Michael, yes. >> Andrea, yes. >> Cindy, yes. >> Tracy, yes. >> Okay, motion is accepted. Meeting is adjourned. We are stopping recording

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now. Thank you all. >> Okay, thank you. >> Thank you everybody. Have a good month. Bye. When this