[Music] What is she? Hey Cara, we can or I can barely hear. >> I don't know if you guys can hear me or not. [Music] flag. >> It is on the rail trail or Well, if if
you park at Shaker Farms, >> okay, and you go left uh about 10 minutes down, there's a kiosk across from the kiosk, the fence ends. That's approximately where our property
ends. If you if you stand at the end of the fence and look over this way, you'll see a pin with a okay orange ribbon on it. And that's where our property starts. So, you have to go around the fence. And then I have marked with some
pink uh black tape, duct tape, and some some newspapery orange bags. And that'll take you through through the woods a little bit, but then you'll end up on a trail that
goes right into where the big the big fields are. >> Does that go through any wetlands there or or not? Not not in that direction. >> Not right there. So, it's almost right across from where the kiosk is then. >> Almost. Yeah. You just you just have to turn right around that fence. The end of the fence across from the kiosk.
>> There are some wetland issues coming from Tannery Road. There's a an existing crossing with a culvert there. And uh but if you wanted to access through there, you you'd have to to make another c, you know, if you wanted to access
vehicles through there, you'd have to uh construct a crossing over a I I call it a seasonal brook. I don't know if that's the proper term or not, but there's when there's a lot of rain, there's there's water going through there. Okay. I did walk out there with
John Goddard at one time and and he said uh it's it's diff it might be difficult to do but it's not as bad as he thought it would be. So that's you know a an unofficial opinion from somebody that has some knowledge of it. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I'll take a right down and take a look at it. >> It's 37 acres. >> Okay. About Yeah. And about 16 to 18 of the acres are are actively aid. Right now they're paid by Rockwood Farms in
Granville. >> Okay. That's is that the piece of the waters Tenery Road? >> No, that's just a small piece that if you go through the woods, it opens up where Okay. All the It used to be a dairy farm back there at one point and
that that's where the bulk of it is. >> Okay. You have any other questions? I I'd like to take a ride out and take a look at it. Sure. See? >> Yeah. I didn't bring any maps or anything. I figured, you know, if you have >> I can pull it up off of the town site. Um, where else do we
>> we can add to that? >> No. >> Anything about the butter or >> No. Is that next to the uh where Jim Bruno was? Right on the corner. He was right on the corner just before Westfield. Oh, no.
>> It's uh there's Westfield and then there's a Dan Cook that has I think he might be 74 and then there's the John Lombella the father who owned what was I think 80
something acres at one time. We split that up and to him and his two sons and we bought the the middle piece from one of his one of his sons. So it's it's almost directly across from Converse Street or Converse Road I think it is.
Um so we have gone out there you know a few times and it's not that difficult to to walk to Patrick walk into there >> either from the rail trail. I mean with you know a good pair of sneakers even I can make it down there. Um, but then
from the from the street, you just walk straight in. If it's if it's been mowed pretty recently, you know, middle of summer, it's a little difficult if it's really high and filled with ticks, >> which which he can attest to when he came home. >> Yeah, I have been out before we
purchased it, we had a site visit with the whole board of the South Land Trust. So, I have been out there with him. I've been out there with Dave Mc Williams. he's kind of helping me along on this process since he was on the CPC at one time. So, uh, there's, you know, a lot
of people are aware of it. We're just trying to make more people aware of it because anybody hears about it says it's a good idea. So, it's just a case of of going through the the process, >> getting everybody to actually, you know, write letters, all the paperwork and all that stuff. So, >> okay. Yeah, definitely swing out and
I'll take a look this week. Okay. >> Or the beginning of the week sometime. Rick and I are both on the CPC. That's right. >> Oh. >> Oh, okay. Well, then then we'll do double duty talking to I think there's a
meeting next Wednesday where then we'll probably >> There is I'll be uh in Florida, but I'll be online. >> Okay. >> So, uh so that's what it is. You know, we we bought this land to to try to do a
good thing and so hopefully hopefully it works out. >> How much front is it frontage is there on the >> uh three or 400 ft? I'm not sure. >> I'm pretty sure I know where it is. >> Yeah, >> you can't miss the the big wooden sign
that was a for sale sign and then it has a small sold sticker. Yeah, you just you just can't. >> I think I know where it is. Yeah, >> the uh say it's it's zoned R40 if that if that makes any so it can be subdivided if if
somebody decided to go in and and u purchase it and build a road to to do that. So >> Okay. Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. >> Right. >> You know how to get in touch with us, I'm sure. Yes, we're on Google and he's in the town.
>> Yeah, I want to take a look at their name and address and phone number. >> Oh, can I can add >> I'd like to tour it. There's a beautiful big old tree on the property that I I don't know who was the first one that told us about it, but
they thought it had to be close to 200 years old. >> Oh yeah. >> And um yeah, they've cleared some, you know, there was a lot of vines that were, you know, >> I think it's a beautiful trade and hopefully could, you know, could be preserved down the road.
>> All right. Okay. Well, thank you very much for your time. >> On to your next board. >> On to our next board. blind. >> Randy, >> Randy, I could put you under public comment, but I'm sure you're here for pickle ball.
>> Or if you want to I don't know if you're in a hurry or >> 7:30. Drop the puck. Sorry. I'll be out here by 7:30. Bruins play. >> It's the first real game, isn't it? >> First real game. >> Oh, thank you. Yeah. pull that.
>> Well, anyway, >> okay. >> Do the minutes and that stuff. >> Sure. >> I just I I looked at the minutes online. They look fine to me. They look fine to
me as well. I make a motion to accept a second. >> All in favor? I unanimous I read. >> Yeah, I I I also reviewed them and Cara,
I'll swing by and sign that if you need. >> Okay, thank you. >> Y next up is Wall and Clark. >> We need a new flag. >> I'm on it. >> That I'm on it. Didn't we just put one up last year or at springtime?
>> They do not make flags like they used to. They used to last us at least all year. We'd get through the winter and it start getting pattered. Now it's already a mess. >> a flag.com. >> Oh, a flag.com.
Gotcha. On it. Okay. >> It's bad. Yes, I just saw that the other thing. >> Where are we getting our lines? >> It should should be this week coming up. Wonderful. That was through the park one
day this week or last weekend. >> Same thing. >> Pretty cool. >> So, that should be next week. Um the spray park, we have a closing date from Eric on that or the irrigation and spray park.
>> Yeah, he's going to he's going to close it down when he does the irrigation. >> He didn't give me a date yet, but he's going to >> Okay. So, I don't know if we need the irrigation still going up there. Only because when I've been up there, it seems like the edges of the fields are pretty well flooded out when they have
practice. >> Okay. >> So, I I think it's been dewy enough and damp enough. I think those been real heavy. I think we can probably shut those off for the season. >> Okay. >> If you want to let them know. >> It's um they're here is going to
fertilize on Friday. >> Okay. That'll be the last one of the season. >> I have to look. I think it is either that or one more late fall. I'll let you know. >> Okay. This is usually the last one. Yeah, that's what I thought.
>> Is this the late thought? Is this the way? He did mine last week and he said it was the last one. >> Okay. >> Because he was talking about not skipping that one like we did last year. Yes. Having that so it would start off good in the springtime. >> Okay.
>> Um maybe with Eric I was thinking if he could give us a date when he comes out rather >> for at least the splash pad part. >> Okay. So maintenance could take a look at it and if Steve wanted to take a look at it too. >> Yep. Um I did talk to him and he said he
would let us know. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um next next up at the park is pickle ball. Randy just here for an update. We you know they got approved funding back in May.
>> A while ago. >> May. So, it's five months and I don't seem to get it, you know, doesn't seem to have moved along very very quickly or at all. Unless I'm missing something. >> Uh, no, it hasn't. >> That's why I'm asking. I I don't know.
>> Yeah, I I know John, you had sent something to Mr. LC, last we were looking at was the last week of September. He was going to have some specs. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if you've gotten any updates from him since then.
I will call. So, we don't have it to the point of posting it through the for putting it out to bid yet. >> Yeah, you're supposed to have the bid package ready and delivered to uh Nicole two weeks ago, I believe.
>> Yep. Nicole was waiting on those to get the the bid out. So, we just have to validate that she's got them. I will make sure she gets. And >> how long is the bid process once you post the bid? >> Go ahead.
>> Well, when I spoke with Nicole about that back in August, she was saying normally two weeks or we could go three weeks and they'll do all the subs out of that and then notify the head bidder or the head contractor after that the
following week. So, it should just be three weeks from the time she gets it. and post it. So, she's going to get bids for each piece or is the sub contract collective bid. >> So, there' be a contractor that'll get
the sub bids. You'll decide who's going to pay it and who's going to >> but they'll take the lowest bid, I guess, out of each each of the sub bids and then award a general contractor on top of that. >> So, the general contractor does not hire
the subs. That's use their size. >> When I spoke with her, that's that's what she made it sound like. >> The GC will use because I know there's companies out there putting in pickle ball courts that that's not their business. They're, you know, >> use somebody else's subs, you know, landscaping companies that then go out
and, you know, sub out the paving, the fencing, the court finishing, the lighting, uh, the pavilion. Well, it'll be up to her and Rob to vet them and make sure we have somebody that's done that stuff before >> that can do that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, that's where we are on that. >> It'd be nice that we get everything in place through the winter so that come springtime they have people scheduled because they know, you know, they're x amount of months out because it took that much time for >> Yeah. Ideally, when I when I spoke to
her originally about that a while ago, >> that's what we were kind of hoping to have everything in place by the end of October. >> So, if they wanted to >> at this point, it doesn't matter because they're not going to >> Yeah, they're not going realistically not going to get any sight too late in the year. Uh it's just our hope is that
we don't want to be sitting here come May of next year. No, we definitely want want to have all the numbers in >> fairly soon and award it. >> I had a question. Pickle ball on the court. How's it being used with the seniors during the day and people going out and playing on a regular basis?
>> I actually thought there would be a lot more use, but we just held uh um a class Monday. We had about 40 people that went, so I'm hoping they start using it a little more. Any comments on the
distance behind the courts? >> Yeah, so Lisa, the senior center director, purchased um like a fence type netting. >> Okay. >> To put on a little low whatever is there >> behind. >> Okay. >> I think there's a taller one now. I
think that one's too low and there's a taller one to stop the balls from going all over the place. Is that what you mean? Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's it's 40 feet behind each court. So ball goes by, you got to keep going 40 feet to pick up a ball. Yeah, there there is a net behind there now. >> Plan to put a fence up there to separate
the shuffle board and then the basketball on the other side. Okay. >> Yeah. >> No. >> No. >> Because normally courts have, you know, behind the baseline you're 10 feet and there's a fence. >> Okay. Because I've gotten comments,
people who played said, "Hey, you know, knowing that I had some involvement with they said, you know, it's like 40 feet when the ball goes by. You got to go chase it." But I know that I said and no, I didn't. So, but okay. >> It's a lot of incentive to keep the ball
in front of you. >> That's the goal. >> You're right. >> Just kidding, Randy. I I played down there and that was the first thing I noticed that. And there's no >> between the two courts. So, that's a
lesson learned for the one that we're going to build. And we do have that in the design. We just want to make sure that >> one that's that's >> yeah fencing in between and I think there's 10 feet behind each baseline. >> That would be
>> all right. Thank you. >> Yep. >> So the layout should have been >> move closer to the transformer right there >> ideally. Yeah. I mean, I actually measured it and I think I think
crossways is like 66 feet. >> Oh, if a court is 44 feet, >> that would put 12 feet behind each court. >> Ideally, it should have been painted out that way. >> Yeah, >> because we talked about the basketball hoop shouldn't have been put where it was put. So, it interferes with pickle
ball. Somebody's infinite wisdom. Obviously, didn't put that in the right place. >> Yeah. never ask [Music] >> the holy people carry both through the senior citizen senior center
advertising. >> Yeah, it was in the newsletter um uh informational class >> and I guess they were out there for a couple hours and there was like clinic. >> Scary.
>> I I don't know his name. Lisa set it up. I'm not quite sure. I can get back to you because I can find out. >> I'm just kidding. >> Okay. Um yeah, so there was I did hear some seniors saying that they didn't have anybody to play with, so that's why they hadn't been playing. So maybe they
can connect through that and then get together and play. you know, >> any feedback from other people that's not associated with senior center that want to use it, but are they being kicked off because it's the board? >> We haven't had any problem. I thought for sure there'd be problems with that.
>> There shouldn't be any problem. >> It's closed at some point. >> No. >> Yeah. >> I haven't really seen a lot of people out there. >> I haven't I've driven through and I of course I look every time I drive by to see, you know, whether it's during the day or late afternoon and I have not seen anybody. That's why I asked. I
thought morning, you know, >> I thought it would be getting a lot more use truthfully at this point. >> Well, the the fencing is a big issue for people to play. >> You know, you don't want to keep chasing the ball. >> Yeah, I realize that. >> I played there once and and I had I
brought a hopper with me with 80 balls in it that we just left that there and then collected balls at the end, you know, so you didn't have to keep chasing. Right. >> So Lisa was getting a net for >> It should be It's out there now. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Ran it across the fence from fence. Yes. >> Yeah. Which that would work. >> Yeah. >> Two of them I assume. One and one behind each. >> Yep. >> Good. Good. >> Hopefully that helps. >> Yeah. I mean it doesn't take much to stop the ball. So >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Check it out. >> I will.
>> Okay. Let us know what you think. Yeah. >> Anything else to add at Wally Park, Dan? >> No, I haven't been able to get over the or I haven't had the time to get over the basketball scoreboard, soccer,
baseball scoreboard. Okay. >> Field in nice condition. >> Yeah, grass is really green. It's, you know, everything looks nice. You know, I say I walk it every day with the dock. It's >> I haven't seen you up there in a while. been we've been late comers. We have a
third dog right now. So >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. It's not ours. It's our our daughter's >> for another week. Three is tough. One is tough. >> Yeah. Yours is easy. >> All right. Thank you, folks. Have
>> Okay. Thank you, Randy. >> Thank you. >> Bye, Randy. Take care. >> We're still working on the lights. I talked I talked at the last meeting about potentially putting the bar lights up for the stage fairy. I think the quotes he got were about 3500.
Um I don't know if he had any appetite to share the cost of Rotary and Park any money to put towards it or not. I what the feeling of the the commission here is >> before I we haven't got a final bid final price. >> Is there any money available in the
budget to pay part of it is my question. >> Yeah, we'd have to probably see what we have in different accounts. I know we've been maintenance has been buying different things this year that we needed for tractors and that kind of stuff. >> Well, and the mulch and the dirt because
we had we put in playground mulch um at the park and then the striping will get the um >> I get a price >> parking lot striping. Yeah. And we were on the 70 foot field going to have the maintenance guys just put in
dirt along the base paths because that tends to flood out. It's all concave on that. And when he's doing that, probably filling the softball field um the low spots on that and the 90 foot >> at the end of the season just so it can get ragged out. Yep.
>> Yeah. >> Rick, have you been playing softball? >> I have not had the opportunity to play yet this year. So, >> I was just wondering like what you thought of the field and if there's low spots and things that need to be worked on on that, but >> I will I will shoot it up to the
committee after this Sunday. I I've been traveling so much I haven't been in town for Sundays. So, and I haven't had any negative feedback. So, maybe we can take that as because listen, they're not shy to We have a
chat group. They're not shy to say something. >> It's true. >> Yeah. We haven't had that much rain this fall, so that always makes it look better. He said he'll have the uh >> Rob will have the Ben specs delivered
worst case scenario uh Friday of next week. Hopefully this week if he doesn't run into any snags, he's going to have the the courts as the main bid and uh the
pavilion and the lights as options. So, there will be three prices and if there's enough money, we'll just do them all. And I'm pretty sure there will be. I know there will be. >> Well, the fence would be part of the
>> Yeah, it's part of the package. Okay. And the two possible add-ons would be a pavilion and lights. >> Okay. Anything else at Wally Park? >> Don't think so. Oh, there is a a sinkhole which is
embarrassing to me. Uh just before you get to the pavilion, I don't know if there's much we can do about it. And then it's just a diff. We compacted everything. I don't understand why it we didn't bury anything
>> around the splash pad or around >> before you get to the uh you know where the concrete road is to the Yep. >> pavilion just before that towards the end of the baseball field. >> I'll ask the guys about it.
>> I would assume if they mow they might >> they would feel it see. Well, it's it's in the pavement. It's under the pave. Yeah. >> So, it's not the grass area. It's under the pavement. Oh, >> so the the slab is dipping.
The asphalt is dipping. Yeah. I mean, it usually happens if you bury stumps and stuff like that, but we didn't do any of that. All the stumps were ground up compact bar before we did this. Okay, we will look into that.
>> I I think I'd like to over the winter like reook into our baseball and soccer field policies, what we're charging, the lining, >> everything else, and get a contract out with people regarding driving onto the
fields and driving food trucks onto the fields. just get something because we don't have a budget for somebody up there overseeing everything all the time. It's kind of on an honor system, but I I think been getting more and more people onto the
grass with everything. I think it would be worth re rechecking our policy on that. Um finding the fields, that's something that's been ongoing forever. Maybe that's something we could have the teams do. I don't know if you've seen that a lot, Dan, or No, I personally
wouldn't let a team do it. >> Okay. >> Just they don't know how to do it. They can barely break it. They certainly shouldn't take any water out of it. >> I've seen them more fields soon. >> Yeah. I was thinking just like still having our maintenance guys maintain the
field, but as far as chalking them up before the games, >> they barely get there in time to play the game. >> Okay. cases, but if they they know they have to do it, they might get to. >> Ours hasn't gone as well this year as it
has in past years. Maybe time to >> look into that at the end of the season, but we've got a couple weeks left. So, I figure we'll get through that and then >> kind of sort all this out maybe one of the winter meetings once the season's
done with. Okay. Any other Wally Park business? Um, next up be the rail trail. Um, they did a count the second week of September. Um, there was 476 bikes, 244
pedestrians, and three skateboards that was on one day. It was a day it hadn't rained. So, that was a pretty good rail trail count they had. I also got a email from Christy Banish this week. Um the friends of the rail trail are thinking
of disbanding because they don't have enough membership or enough um new members to replace people that have left. Um >> that's too bad. >> Yeah. So I think that would be a big hit for us. I mean they do a fall cleanup
and they also prep all our kiosk and mulch them and do the plantings every year. So that's something that we're going to have to compensate for or if anybody's got any ideas so I can bring back to her as far as can we
get an article written by Cliff hyping what they do that they're need more members to get more volunteers. >> Yeah, I could suggest that to Christie. I was also going to ask her about posting something on the kiosk. Um, also the DPW got out there the last
month or so um with the sidearm mower and really did a nice job. They did from Congaman Road to the Sfield line and then also from the Westfield line um down to Depot Street getting rid of all
the brush and bittersweet and everything. So it looks really good. They did a nice job out there. Um when they did the lines I see the signs the line across the depot when I see the sides of it and they look nice
and bright and clear. The last week of August, I happened the first time ever riding on the rail trail. I used the parking lot from down behind the marina where we congam lot down in the valley if they follow
it. We parked there and used it. But from there down to the Connecticut line, he didn't look like it was painted. >> Um, no. Where it's the old paint. Well, it was it was a white line, but it was very thin versus what I see on depot look nice bright white painted that would
have just >> Was that going in Connecticut already? >> Well, that parking lot is about a mile or a mile and a half I think down the Connecticut border. >> Yeah, there's a there's a bio marker right there and it's right before a bridge and um it's >> I saw that when I crossed into
Connecticut. Let's I just recall after I got back to I just said, "Wait a minute, the line didn't look like it painted on her." Yeah, in Connecticut it's not Connecticut. It was still >> It's pretty wor off, but um all of ours is done. It's It wasn't done. It was done from the tunnel up to the Westfield
line this year. Um the other part is like a catalyzed paint, and it it doesn't wear off. It's kind of crackly looking, but it's still >> I didn't see any sense in spending the money just to make it look more even. >> I had used it before, so my first time.
>> Sure. >> How' you like it? Good. >> My son had two electric bikes that make it easier. My grandsons out there. That's all I had for rail trail things. Um, we also had the this this land that
these people were just talking about. Do they want it? Maybe it's not appropriate here. I just asked the question if it's >> No, no, we can we could discuss that. Is it they want it to to be purchased by the by the town? >> I think that's what uh they were looking
at. Not either either purchased or purchased the development rights to it or what is it, John? Development rights or agricultural rights? >> Develop development rights. Yeah. >> Is that something the CPC can do for a private parcel? >> Oh, that's up to the state whether an
LAPR or not. >> Okay. And I I guess the reason he wanted a letter from us is if it's a parcel that we can have parking on as well as access to the rail trail, that would be a reason for us to sign off on it.
>> I couldn't picture in my mind. I know the land in front what she said about the red piece of plywood that's there. My daughter would up around the corner so I go by there two or three times a week. as to what's on the farm side that used to be a farm that she said rockland
cuts the hay and so forth on it. Is there a place to park over there? I just don't know where that road is to get in from that one. I'm going to request a tour before >> CPC meeting. >> Yeah, I think what we would have to look
at too, I I'll take a look at it from the rail trail side. If anybody wants to look, I'll take the truck down. I have a pretty good idea where it is from the kiosk, but I think it's it crosses like a intermittent stream, goes up a hill
and then over. So, it would be a little bit of work involved and money, but I'm not sure if it's like level up at the top there. I haven't really climbed up through the woods that way. I'll take a look.
I'll go with you. Okay, we'll give you a call. >> Okay. So, then I think we'll go from there once everybody's had a chance to take a look at the parcel if something we think's worthwhile for us. And
>> they mentioned something about November 1st. I don't know what they I thought the CPC's cut off date for this year. Okay. >> Yeah, it sounds like they'll have a little bit of work ahead of them to get to that point, I think.
>> Yeah, it was here on the eighth of Toyota, >> but it's happened before. You never know. >> That's right. Depends on who wants it to happen. >> Okay. Next up, we have the master plan
implementation. Um, basically they're looking for us, um, any goals that we have and what we're doing to reach the master plan goals or if there's anything that was on there that doesn't relate to us or it's
not something we feel strongly about and go from there. I I think the biggest ones that we had when I looked at it were getting more rail trail access and parking at some point and also connecting the rail trail we have now to the schools
and the lakes and the park at some point but I don't think we necessarily need trails. I I know John Gdddard was looking at something with the safe streets to for Powder Mill Road eventually when that's done. So that
would be an option rather than putting a trail or a path in there. So that's something that goes towards that, but I don't think we have anything a short-term plan where we're going to meet any of these things the next year
realistically unless anybody else access, you know, the apartments that are almost across the street from the park >> that are on the rail trail. There's an access there. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's where >> sometimes I get off that rather than go
all the way to depot. Is that a right away or just where the the condominiums you're talking about? Yeah. I I don't know if that's a public thing, but I know our the maintenance guy will park up there to get the mowers on the trail
>> at the back of that. And I've gone up there for different things with the tree guy, but I don't know. I've never officially asked or I don't know if it's something it might be something we check into because it's pretty uh if there were sidewalks on
powder mill it' be an easy park to park and just >> I think that's what they were looking for is the sidewalks when they redo that road >> but I think that's like a longer term goal rather than would have to the association of
whatever it is would have to allow They don't think >> a lot of people do it now. >> I was just wondering if it was illegal. Would >> Yeah. I don't I don't think anybody's technically asked. I think they just do it. >> They don't park up there. They start parking up there. People are going to
complain. I don't think they >> No, I just park in the park and scoot over through there. But I know our maintenance guy park barks up there and that's also like a kind of little access road to get to the the gas transfer station or gas pumping
station, whatever it is there. Okay, I'll get back to Norm and let him know where we're going on things. Um, any old business? New business. Somebody help me out here. I'm dying. Motion to return.
>> No business. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> uh next meeting November 12th. I'll second to the second Wednesday. Just looking ahead.
And the 12th is the second Wednesday. I will be here.