I'll call to order this hybrid meeting of the town of Southwick Planning Board. Today is Tuesday, June 24th, 2025. It's 7 o'clock. We're meeting in person at the Southwick town hall at 454 College Highway and we're open for Zoom participation. This meeting is being
recorded and the recording will be available on the town website. If anyone else is recording, that's fine. You just need to let us know. And before we move any further, we'll start with the roll call vote. We have some new and returning faces at the table. So, start here.
Town planner Alvin Allen, Tom South, Jessica Thornton, planning board chair. Dina, planning board vice chair. Diane Jessa, member Jason, member Marcus Phelps, member John
associate with our new associate. Fresh take it easy on us. All right, starting with town planners report. Okay, for the town planners report, I have uh two new hearing items for the July 22nd hearing hearing date. Um the
first item is 63C Kaman Road. It's a solar extension project. So there's currently solar uh array um within this area and they're looking to expand southward on the on the particular lot. The second item is a 617 College
Highway. They're looking for a change of use special permit. They're going from uh Kings Brothers, which I believe is a homegoods uh retail, and they're looking to uh transition to a mortgage lending office. So, another item that may come before us
on July 22nd is 159 Bergkshire Avenue. They've uh well, we received revised storm water plan. However, we're seeking further comment from DPW before we uh roll it out to u to the board. 115 Fred Johnson Road will soon submit a
site plan modification request for the the modifications to a common driveway. Then lastly, uh the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission will be requesting a meeting with the planning board to uh discuss uh the kickoff of the uh zoning
bylaw and map update project. You Next on the agenda is public comment. This is for anything that is not already on the agenda and listed. Is there anybody here in person? Public comment.
Anybody online? Raise your hand or unmute and speak up. hearing them first since they're a little early for our first public hearing. Move on to one of our discussion items.
Are we expecting Jesse Salt Match to come in person this evening? Yes. Okay. We did have a meeting with him earlier. Um, uh, John and I and also Randy Brown out of a university, uh, gave us some updates on and he did state that he'd be
here so come this week for his time. Right. Do you want to go? Are we expecting anybody in on signage to speak on either of them? No. Do you want to do Pioneer Valley Trading then? Good. And when I pull that
up to share screen, as we wait for the time advertised for public hearing, we're going to move ahead on our agenda. And while Alvin is bringing that up, uh just a quick reminder since it's been a while since we've had a full-blown public hearing with multiple members of
the public, if you have a public comment on a particular matter or a hearing, uh you will have your chance to speak. I will announce the time for public comment, we just ask that you stand and speak clearly so that you can be heard by everybody both here and online and that you give your full name and address
before you comment. Okay? And this is the sign permit application review for 660 College Highway, Pioneer Valley Trading Company. Yes. So at your previous meeting uh you did have discussions regards to the uh
sizing of the sign. Previously they uh the petitioner was seeking to enlarge the sign and add extra um lettering which the board was not not in favor of. And so therefore, uh, they've come back and they're using the
existing footprint of the sign and, uh, it's not going to be enlarged, but they're going to reduce, uh, they're going to take away, uh, the the language was, but they the word cannibis. So, they've eliminated that usage of wording, and they're going to go with the again the existing footprint with
the signet as you see it on school. But some of our board members were not here last time. Do we have the wall sign to also pull up? Is there any questions or discussion on the proposed ground mounted sign that
was just up on the screen? That's Are we voting on both or just the one? We'll be voting on on both. Both of them. Just see if you had any questions or concerns with that. So, this was also within the limit of what they're allowed to have on a
wall-mounted sign. It's backlit similarly to the already existing ground mounted. And this is the south facing side of the building. No illumination on that one. It's
interior to match what is already existing on the ground. So, it is illum illuminated though. Interior. Yeah. But the only part that's going to show the illumination is the white lettering. So,
it's not going to be too light. All right, there's no more questions from the board. Are there any questions or comments from the public? Hearing none. Do I hear a positive recommendation? D
make a motion to make a positive recommendation. Please just second. I will call vote. Jessica Thor and I. Case be justified. Arcus Phelps abstain. Not quite the FRD plus
the subdivision. Yes, I don't have the actual let me see if I can find it. But as far as I know, um John told me that we were looking to release the planning board decision for the review of the plot plans. So I guess it was some sort of language as part of
the original approval. Okay. That there would be a review of block plan. So, he's looking to have that provision renewed. Okay. All right. Then, we're not going to prioritize them
this evening. Um, but in your packet of information, there is a couple of cell spreadsheets. These are the lead and support actions
for beautifification and wellness commission that committee um that is yet to be developed but if it is to be developed it would be under our peer review to develop it. So these aren't
things that we as a planning board would do. This is these are activities and tasks that another board commission would do in the future. So, if you could just take some time um over the next couple of weeks and hopefully get those back to Alvin and your rankings um and
that way we can share that with Mr. Chver, the chair of the MPIC committee. We can get all that information settled. Yes. All right. Now, it is 710. All right. And what we are doing here is
we are going to continue the public hearing that we opened on April 29th, but have continued without discussion to allow for the full board's participation. Have a representative of the applicant. Hello, Chris Jlin from B Design Group in
Northampton. Not sure where the best place to set up is and are there digital versions available? Please share that. We'll go here. Um, go ahead. All right. So, again, uh,
Chris Chamberlain. I'm civil engineer for the project. Um, also here via Zoom is the architect, William Vonfricken, um, of Frank Ralph Architects and Ellen Jabo are the applicants. Um, this is a project that at least some members of the board have seen in the past a few
times. Um, due to board turnover, this is technically a new application and since they're new board members, I'm going to go through all of the details, but just acknowledging that that this is a project that we came forward with a couple of years ago and has changed um quite a bit over the time over that time. We've taken some feedback from
planning boards uh which also designated a member to meet with us separately to sort of make sure that we were headed in the right direction in terms of a project that might be acceptable by the board. Um so the uh you know the new plan we hope um addresses all those
previously uh expressed concerns um and that uh we have an acceptable uh site plan special application. Um, and so I'll be going over the site plan and most of the zoning compliance. Uh, William's going to speak very briefly on some of the architecture, uh, that's
going into this project. Uh, and then we'll be happy to to answer any questions from the board after that. So, this site is on College Highway, just about a mile north of where we are right now. Um, next to the O'Reilly Auto um, building it in what is currently an
unveloped site in the restricted industrial zone. Um it's about 3 acres in total. Uh the front roughly onethird of the site is currently uh cleared and relatively flat whereas the rear 2/3 is
wooded and slopes up to a high point in the middle of the site and then back down toward the rear lot line. There is a wetland resource area that runs across the entire width of the site right here. Uh this project it's already
gone through conservation commission was issued in order conditions uh early in 2024. The proposed project is a s storage facility. U the main portion of the site which you see here is 350 to 400 ft back from college highway. Um
it's a single two-story building and because of the slope of the site there's ground access to both first floor in the front and the second floor in the back of the site. Um accesswise um there are two additional egress doors
facing the uh east and west sides sorry the north and south sides of the property um that are egress only. So those are not entrances for uh any customers visiting the site. Uh it's simply because we have great access on
the first floor. So a secondary um exit out of the first floor uh comes to this point and then up the stairs uh to grade there. Um but again all uh all customer access it is through the two main entrances at the front and back of
buildings that located. Um there is also a small office building proposed close to the road uh with a couple of parking spaces for people that are coming to lease or check in with the office uh which is directly accessible from the road. Um there is then a 26
foot wide access driveway through the front portion of the site to that main development which includes a wetland crossing with a three-sided open bottom cover and retaining walls to limit the amount of braiding that we do into the wetlands and buffer area.
Uh the office as I said is directly accessible from the street just behind the office. Uh we're proposing an automated gate in this location that people renting uh units would have uh key fob access to would also be controllable from the office to restrict
access uh from vehicles to the rear of the site. There is on three sides of the site proposed a six-foot chain length fence uh on these sides here which connect directly into timber guard rails that are top of retaining walls in this
location here that run toward the front of the site. Um the uh one of the issues that we worked through previously was the extent of fencing. The applicant's preference would to would be to not fence the facility um as they have uh
staffing and cameras and things like that for security. Uh there was some concerns from the planning board, not so much about security as and the police department didn't necessarily have a problem with it, but the possibility of dumping or littering site and really
keeping that contained. So, uh, what we're proposing is to fence those areas that are, uh, wooded or undeveloped on the sides and rear of the site. Um, but to leave open the front, which is readily visible and monitored by the
facility staff. Um, but if there conversation about that, we're happy to um, discuss the extent of that. Um the I'm going to just pull up a couple of the more detailed site
drawings to highlight a few things. So I'm going to uh sheet 121 which is the grading plan on the main drawing set. Um and I know this this rendering was sent just today but the the original drawing set this um is in it. This sheet
121 a chance to get there for digital purposes. Okay. The number I just want to get into of the sheet. Yes. Oh 121. I should have warned you. I was going to
jump between will be third or fourth one probably the next sheet. Great. Um so as I mentioned working site grades um there's about a 10-ft grade change between front and back to allow that
that grade access to the building. Um these sort of dark heavy thick lines that you see in these locations are modular block retaining walls. Um another item that's come up as a comment in the past from the fire department is
ensuring that um there's adequate access to support fire apparatus coming through here. Um, as had noted in previous presentations, uh, the way these wall uh, systems typically work is that as part of the drawing package for the contractor, we require the manufacturer
to provide full engineered stamp drawings. So, the loading that's required uh, based on the site information that we prepare. So, that's um, something that we're intending to include in the drawing set. If the board saw fit to add that as a condition, that would be um, perfectly fine with us to ensure that it actually does happen. Um
the um and so uh storm water management, we've got three fairly sizable um storm water basins along the site, all surface uh basins, and we've got pretty good sandy soils um across the site. So we're designing those for infiltration with uh
water quality treatment through settling basins. Um, and uh, overall we're providing quite a bit more uh, infiltration than the town standards require. And we're designed to meet town standards for uh, peak runoff uh, in
both directions off of the site, both running down to the wetland system down here and the uh, discharges from the high point back. Um, balancing flows so we're not increasing in the front and actually decreasing quite a bit what's going off the back side of the site
because of the way things came together. Um, other utilities include uh water service coming from the street um providing domestic water service for the um office and the employee that's located there and um primarily fire protection for this building which is
going to require a sprinkler system. Um based on earlier comments from the fire department, we're providing a hydrant um near the street uh as a connection point and then a fire department connection right off front of the building. Uh there is a septic system proposed for
the office which is going to have a rest room for the staff person and uh potentially for visitors uh which is located right off the back of the building. It's a very small use so that's a very small system and we've got a sand site so it's it's relatively limited in size. Um there is also
actually we can go ahead one more sheet to the utility plan shows the underground stuff a little better. Um in the storage uh building itself, we do have uh primarily indoor units, but there are outdoor facing units with sort
of garage door style um doors on this side and this side. Uh one of the comments that came from DBW is that in that case there's going to be a requirement for perimeter drains to ensure that should there be any oil containing uh items that are stored
there or you know potentially someone who's storing something they're not supposed to be and it leaks that that get captured. Since we're on septic we have no sewer to send that to. So we're proposing uh what is officially an industrial waste holding tank. more
commonly we call a tight tank. Um in this location there are mass DP regulations to that that we're going to have to satisfy. Um but all of that drainage will be routed through the plumbing system into this tank. Um as well as there is one fixture in the building which is a janitor's closet
with a mop sink. Um and then you know given the fact that that will certainly be cleaning the floors and has the potential to clean up um other materials that may be spilled. We're also proposing that um to go to the tight tank. Um we believe that's in
conformance with both title 5 and the plumbing code. Uh that'll be worked out by a plumbing inspector. Absolute worst case. Uh that could be pumped all the way to the septic system in front, but for obvious reasons, we prefer not to do that. Um and I think it's more appropriate given what it's doing. Um
going to the tight tank that we're required to have anyway. um power and gas both routed up the driveway. Um we're obviously gas is underground. We're proposing for electric to be underground just so long as the utility would allow that. Um which we anticipate they will. Um but
leaving that as just a little bit of caveat. Um going ahead I think one more to the planting plan. We have quite a lot of planting proposed in the wetland buffer area. uh primarily in response to conservation commission
review. Um what we're doing that we hope is going to work out really nicely is doing a large number of very young stakes uh trees planted as uh live stakes so that we can while it's not going to be much on day one. We get a lot more plant material in for the
dollar um early on and we expect uh those to do really well here and eventually for this to create quite a lot of shade um on that wetland system. And I noted what we're doing there. Um it's a mix of black willow and silky dog wood. So those willows eventually
hopefully we'll we'll get to sizable size. Um there are a couple of the uh neighboring hedge spilled over onto the property line here. So we're proposing to uh put those uh move those over uh back in line right on the property line
where they were intended to be. As you go out there, this line looks like it should be perpendicular to the road, but it's not. So, that's probably how that happened there. Um, and a little bit of arborite uh screening to the south. We've got four u street trees that we're also proposing um black tubulos and then
an area of heavy shrub uh and small tree plantings as a wetland mitigation area. We're going to disturb an area of wetland with this crossing, which we're allowed to do because it's the only route into our upland area, but we have to offset that by creating new wetlands at a 2:1 ratio. Again, that's all been
reviewed quite a while ago by the conservation commission uh and approved. And then disturbed areas out of the site are primarily going to be seated with native wetlandy type mixes or something similar on the upland areas that are a little less wet with some small amounts
of lawn right around the office and at the edge of the pavement but otherwise hoping to sort of return it more to what it is right now which is a very meadowy area in the front there. uh we submitted a traffic statement um for as commercial sites go this is just
about the lowest kind of traffic generator that uh you can get um I'll just highlight the based on the uh institute traffic engineers rates um Saturday is the busiest day in this kind of facility the peak hour sees 11 trips which counts all the arrivals and all
the departures um and you know typically there's really only a couple of people um on site at one time um and no noticeable impact to a road like college highway. Um that 11 trips in an hour equates to one car every five and a half
minutes for perspective. Um there is I'm gonna flip back to sheets. The layout plan while I'm doing this actually three sheets should be 111 I think. Um and so this this gets to one of the
concerns that was identified early on. Um in terms of parking, we have striped um a total of nine spaces plus an accessible space in the front that are you know oriented toward um these entrance locations here. There's also
additional space that we could stripe if uh if this uh were to end up not being enough. Although we think this is more than sufficient parking spaces. We got three here and then two out on the edges. There's some additional space, but we prefer not to dedicate um spaces
in front of those exterior facing units. Um and um the other thing that I'll note is that in previous versions for the members who were here um there were side entrances that were intended to be accessible for uh customers. that was
highlighted as an area of concern because of the tendency for people to sort of cluster and park and be coming in and out of those buildings. So, that's been eliminated. Really trying to drive all of that pedestrian traffic to the middle of the site where we don't have concerns about blind corners or
people coming down steep hills um or that sort of thing. Um and so just to to sort of summarize those changes, this building footprint is about half the size. gross square footage is not quite that much less because we had a singlestory building in the original uh
proposal, but it's about half the size that it was before. You know, based on the major feedback being that where we started here, the building was big to the point where it was creating questionable access um both for vehicles
around and creating those opportunities for for conflicts between vehicles and people trying to get in and out of the building. Um so in uh in after shrinking the building by that much uh we're able to provide you know 50 65 ft of pavement
on either side to really um spread that out and eliminate those conflicts. Give plenty of room uh for emergency vehicles to get in and out um and really create no reason for anybody to be um on these side aisles. Those are really just
dedicated to being front to back. Uh and we're still intending to strike this as oneway circulation so that we're not um trying to bring people back and forth uh around those areas. Um and so uh again, this was submitted as a brand new application. Um, I believe we got
comments, um, well, we got a letter back from the fire department saying they had no comments and we got a letter from DPW with only a couple of minor comments reminding us what permits we needed, uh, talking about the, um, drainage, that perimeter drainage and tight tank. Um,
maybe one more, I can't remember. Um, so, um, that's it on site. Uh I know William just wants to talk very briefly u about the architecture and then I think Ellen from the applicant just wanted to to note a couple of things. So
will you to whichever plan you want on the board and uh Alvin is available um to switch to whichever drawings you want to highlight. Excellent. Yeah, if you want to pull to Hello everyone on the board. Um I'm William von Fricken from Frank Golf Architect. Uh I just want to talk
briefly about the building. Uh Chris briefed you guys all on the uh design decisions regards to the constraints of the site and also the modifications from the last meeting. So if you pull up the A200, that's the exterior of the building. This is a A-frame building.
It's a climate controlled self- storage building. It's an overunder situation, meaning that you have two access points from two grade points. So you have it from the front and back. As Chris had mentioned earlier, we had removed the drive up units which are the garage doors that you're seeing on the lower
portion of the page here from the sides of the building so that the customers are constrained to using the front and back of the building. The sides of the building is for egress around the building and egress out from the inside of the building. The two main points are those sliding doors, one at the front and one at the back. Then the two
additional doors that are on one on each side of the building, north and south, those are just for egress purposes only. So you don't exceed the 250 foot um egress distance. Uh the size of the building is common for storage. We have adequate push distance. Uh push distance
for storage is you want to be around 153 150 uh feet from your access point. So this is a convenient facility. Um not stretching it by any means. Um in regards to the uh materials of the building, as I mentioned, it's a metal
panel building with standing steam roof. Um it's all code compliant in regards to uh energy purposes as well as fire sprinkler. Um the plan if you want to move to A101 or A100
you can kind of see just a typical floor plan that we have here. Um from here looking at A101 you have your access on the west side of the plan. you enter the building, you have pretty um pretty clear corridors here. Um no
confusions in and out. There will be exit lights uh and signage showing indicating where the additional exit would be at this on this plan itself. It's on the souththeast corner of the uh plan. If you go to the next plan, uh,
A100, it's exact opposite. So, you're entering from the the east side and then you're exiting out on the northwest. So, and what's indicated here, you can see what's a drive up and what's not. And the red dash there for those if you
can see and it may be difficult but it's um it's a red line indicating your thermal wall. So what's climate controlled and what's not and what's climate controlled is what you have temperature controlled. You have about 260 units uh give or so 264. Um,
and then other than that, uh, I'm going to turn it to the other team members we have here in regards to the operations and how it'll be handled. But typically, you have your facility is managed as we had mentioned earlier and in a prior meetings uh, with 24-hour surveillance
um, as well as you have a a member that is um, at the facility manager at the office portion of the site. Yeah, thank you. So, we're happy to take questions. Okay. I'll direct board members for any
questions. Um, could you please describe the exterior lighting scheme? I'm sorry. The lighting Chris, you have that on your your site plan, correct?
I think so. Resubmit the um I seem to not have the lighting the photometrics for the updated site plan. Should I have those? Um, so I the strategy is um
pull back around the building and then there's office and then there's two uh that they use. So the proposal is um to light around the building with wall packs um that uh
provides sufficient light uh in the immediate vicinity of the building um full cut off dark sky compliant so it's all down light um and then uh I believe it's three pole lights um along the entry drive to ensure that's illuminated
um and then additional building mounted lighting um at the office and those would be on a timer um based on eight hours of operation of the facility. All of them are would uh or would the ones around the building the main storage area they stay on all the time or no? So
everything everything goes off those would be operational. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. For it'll meet all the requirements of the one foot candle um for egress discharge. So you'll have one wall pack definitely above every egress door um exit door, entry door um as well
as adequate sight lighting to exit egress out. And I believe it's one foot handle. Mine was answered. I was wondering about the perimeter. Um how much space was around it? You answered that for me. So I appreciate that. Um where exactly is
the gate located? Um so the gate is it's very faint on this drawing, but it's located here just behind the office. How many cars can you pick between there and the street? Um, I would say four or five probably.
That's probably the maximum it would ever be on the site at one time. Marcus, couple questions. Sure. The uh underground power a decision on that. Will you have that before we would render a decision that it would be
underground? I think we usually prefer underground if possible. Yeah. Uh we certainly um would prefer that as well. Um I think we I don't think we're expecting an answer anytime soon because I'm not sure that we even have a customer number with the utility yet. Um
I suppose I mean we would certainly take a condition that says it shall be underground unless the utility will follow. I don't see why they wouldn't. But uh one other question. You mentioned the conservation commission the order of
conditions is still in effect. Yes. So you haven't changed any thing on the plan that would affect that order? Correct. We we've essentially changed nothing forward at this point on the plan with uh earth excavation. Are you going to
handle all the the soil movement on the site or are you going to transport that? Yeah. And that um goes to one of the bylaws about uh exceeding there's a limit um at which an additional special
permit is needed. Yeah. Early on I went through three or four different versions of the site to try to get that cut and fill to balance. Um it's construction so I'm sure we're not perfectly balanced. Um, but we're we're going to be below whatever the threshold is. Is it 1,000
cubic yards? We'll be well below a thousand cubic yards of removal. Um, we're we're close to balanced. Um, you know, not accounting for some odds and ends that happened during these brushing. Uh, just a point of interest, the garage doors, are they for like
vehicle storage or equipment storage or what? So they are um general storage exterior facing which is desirable for some clients um policy wise for Ellen as to what will be allowed to be stored in
the exterior facing units. I I if the units are large enough for a particular vehicle that should be able to go in there. Uh I don't have the exact sizes of those units by okay they're 10 by 20 units. Um,
typically that's a standard size car, small pickup truck, something like that. Sometimes a smaller boat might fit in there. Yeah. But in the facility is monitored 247 with cameras. So, if we can see what goes in there and typically
when someone is looking to rent a unit for vehicle storage or um any type of storage or something like that, it's discussed if you know in length how you know what will fit in there and what the purpose of it will be.
I know in these other other industrial areas people run machine shops, small automotive garages and stuff out of storage units. Is that something you guys are planning on allowing? No, I don't think so. Uh that that tends to happen more in contractors like larger
units, but no. Last question. Quick. A dumpster. Is there going to be that shown right here far back of the site um surrounded really on woods on two sides and just behind the building?
Is there any screening around it? Um we because of the location 600 feet from the road and behind the building we were proposing to not have an enclosure. Um the board insisted on it. We certainly would worried about wildfire. Um I mean
wouldn't lock because then people wouldn't get it but they certainly be covered. Giovani did you have any questions? Right. Exactly. What is the square footage? Uh building gross. So footprint is I think
17,500. Um and gross square footage is I didn't gross is 34,800. Change. Are there any town officials online or in person that have questions or
comments for the applicant? Any public comments from the audience here? Please stand and give your name and address. Yeah, 149 road. I was just how far is the building back from highway? Um the front
of the building's about um 450 to 500 ft and Yeah. Any other public comments in person? Any public comments online? Alvin, do you have um anything from
police? Did we hear I know we heard from fire and officially received anything from police? As I mentioned, the site's been reviewed within. What I think we're going to do is give board members some time to digest the
project in total and review all of the plans. I don't myself after um being familiar with all the different plants that have come forth and having some time to speak with both Ellen and Jim. Uh I think this
is a great um replacement project for what was originally before us. I think this takes um the site location into consideration. It also is sized appropriately for the general area. So, I really appreciate
the effort and the time and the money that it took um for you guys to review this project and come back and meet us more closer to where we were. Um but I do want to give everybody time to really take a look at it. Um, and I would
direct any board members if you have any follow-up questions that you would like to have answered and available to you at the next meeting to please forward those directly to Alvin so that he may send them over to Chris and to the applicant so that we will have that um before us
at our July meeting. Um, and provided there aren't there are no further major issues or questions or concerns that come up, um, I believe we'd be able to close the hearing at that meeting and and prepare a decision for the following
to potentially take a vote. So, just kind of give you the timeline of what we'd be working with. Great. Appreciate that. Thank you. All right. Um, before we go, do we have the schedule for the next meeting? already established a couple of public hearings have been have
they been timestamped for our next meeting. So those new public hearings haven't been issued time. That is okay. So then do I hear a motion to continue this
public hearing to 7:06 at the July 22nd meeting? Dispos second. Roll call vote. Jessica Thornton. I Dina. I Diana J. I Marcus Phelps. Yes.
Thank you guys very much. See you guys in Venma. Next on the agenda is the permit modification for an earth excavation special permit and wellhead protection district special permit for the Kotawit Shaker Farms property at Hudson Durant.
Good evening. with his pallets first. Um, do you have that? You able to put the man on the screen? Yeah. Just stand.
Okay. So, uh, this property is Shaker Farms, uh, modification of their existing gravel earth excavation permit that they've had that they've been working on. Um that is off of uh
old Sam West Road of Tilkcon property and it's about 92 acres in the IR zone and what they're trying to do is simply take a portion of the property that was not part of the original uh plan for the
gravel operation Um, oh, I'm sorry. It's looking. Yeah. So, this is the original portion. You can see the uh the top of slope, the grading right in here. This is the portion that
was excavated prior. They left this portion. So, what we're going to do is come in and take this out. We leave the original one had like a three-foot BM that went around the edge here and that
will continue through and you'll have a little bit of a burm coming around here. Then this is the larger slope on the east side. Uh there's a wetland here, but we are way out of the 100 foot buffer zone and the previous plan had like I said the three-foot
BM that came around through here and we're actually extending it around this way which is farther away from the the wetland anyway. This will just basically level this side off is what they're doing.
And how much is that additional acreage approximately? Monkey size. Yeah, about 1.76. I guess it's in it's um application. So really in a nutshell, that's what it is.
Um where are the monitoring roles there? Right. There are the two monitoring wells here. Monitoring well one and two. And there is about 40 ft of sand between the existing
where we're going to have the existing slope when we're done. There's about 30 something feet of sand between that and the the groundwater below. And I think 30 feet is the maximum or the minimum you allow for a gravel over that. So
there's plenty of sand on a separation between where they're going to end up and uh where the where the uh the the water is below the water table. And those are both still up and operational. Yep. We monitored them uh few months
ago, but we did the additional survey. Anything to add? No. It's pretty simple. Uh board members questions. Good. No. No.
Um we did receive some comments um back when the plans were shared. Um the first comment is from Randy Brown, DPW director. Um we reviewed the proposed modification to the existing special permit. And the following questions and
comments include, please clarify the intended reuse plan for this area and how it will be implemented and what is the anticipated timeline to remove materials from the area. And I believe I responded to those. Hold on one second. Um, we also got an email from the
assistant director of the DPW, John Gddard, uh, for the Shaker Farms, Inc. application to modify their permit and expand the footprint of their Earth excavation operation. Two brief notes. The post excavation restoration activities as described in the application materials to stabilize and
vegetate the site should commence promptly if not immediately at idle portions of the site. I would recommend that the value of the restoration bond be coordinated between the applicant and DPW and provided to the town prior to the resumption of excavation activity.
Second, the well data submitted for the previous renewal included information from the nearby town of West Springfield water supply wells here in Southwick as well as a depth reference for the one remaining on-site groundwater monitoring well. I reached out to the West Springfield Water Department who
confirmed that the well casing was not tied to a survey datim. The measurement provided from the on-site well indicated groundwater depth at 50 feet below the ground elevation at monitoring number well, excuse me, monitoring well number one and 47.9 ft below monitoring well
number two. The applicant should continue to be required to obtain quarterly measurements to the groundwater and ensure that the mandated minimum depth of 30 feet groundwater from the excavation surface is maintained. Any observation of groundwater at less than the required 30
foot separation depth for chapter 185-33i should be reported immediately to the town planner and DPW. Did I have that sheet that I had that with the comments because I didn't. So, for the reuse, we're actually in a
kind of a spot because the Sam West Road um is there, but it's not. Sam West Road is actually an old road that was never discontinued by the town as far as we
can tell. It exists on prior mapping. Um, but it doesn't it's hard to find it on the ground because of all the earth work that's taken place there. Um, so in terms of reuse of the property uh for
any development on that property, Sam Westro would have to be reestablished somehow. Well, that is in the plan, right? for I've got a I've have a excuse me I have a map here that shows when when we purchased the property it showed Sam
West road coming from Tannery Road across the um across the Tilcon property and kind of meets up with a road called uh um I think it's Pond Hollow Road.
Yeah. Yeah. and and my my my anticipation is is right now that land our land back there is pretty much landlocked. We have no no way to get at it. And um hopefully with this um modification of the earth excavation uh
permit that we have, we'll be able to bring the the uh the the area or the the the grade down to almost similar to what you have there with the Tilcon property. And this will allow us to possibly
connect with uh Pond Hollow Road that goes into Shaker Road. Right. And well and and you know just an anticipation there that the you know we might have a end up with a through road through that through that area
connecting with Sam West. I think we're less concerned with what exactly ends up there, whether it's too landlocked to become a usable uh location or whether or not it's back to
the wood and nature that it was before. Um, prior notes from DPW and the town planner indicated that there doesn't seem to be a lot of top soil left behind from the prior excavation. So we want to make sure that not only do you have a
plan for the operational intent of refilling it back with lone but if whether that means it gets replanted with trees and becomes just forested or you know grassland or it becomes accessible to a developer because Sam West and Hudson connection ends up
getting figured out and it becomes available. So, whoever does take it over, whether it's nature or human, it needs to get some sort of restoration to happen back to what it was prior to the excavation happening. Agreed. Yeah. Agreed. Absolutely. Yeah. See? Yeah.
Yeah. Was there another question on there that needed to be answered? Oh, I took it from me. You took my All right. So, what's the anticipated timeline to remove the materials? Uh, right now is, uh, you know, we'd like to
get it up and running u immediately and we're probably anticipating uh probably what would you think a two to threeyear time frame. It all depends upon the depends on your Yeah, we plan we plan on using the the same contractor, Pierce Brothers, that was in there before and
they they did a very nice job and they're very concerned about uh you know, I know they did stockpile some top soil there and um they're kind of waiting to see what we were going to how we were going to file for the for the next permit and getting the getting the
rest of that sand uh taken down to grade that pile of sand. That's that 1.76 acres down to grade. Okay. So, a couple of years. Yeah. So, I figure a couple of years and John's concerned was that the monitoring wells that both of them um
remain going. Yeah. Well, we we can submit quarterly reports on on monitoring wells monitoring those to to two wells anyways. And we've been we've been um the town of West Springfield has been very cooperative providing their
their information. Also, they want their drink and water clean. Yeah. Okay. Um before we close or continue, is there any public comments here in person? Any public comments online?
None. Give board members one more chance for questions or comments. No, I would like to continue this to the next meeting so that way um we can reach out with your answers directly to both
members of our DPW department and make sure that we are all on the same page. We'll discuss. Do you want us to follow up with um Mr. Goddard and uh or have you I think he's inconsequential now. Never.
Don't go there. Frank, you better be quiet. Um, and both of them in their capacities as DPW director and, you know, former town planner advisory capacity. Yes, this sounds
great. Would be wonderful. So, uh, do I hear a motion to continue this hearings to our July 22nd meeting at 7:10? Dispor, I just I
Phelps, yes. Okay, thank you very much. You're sticking. Eight. Next on the agenda, we have a new public hearing. So, I'll read the notice into the record. Notice is hereby given in accordance
with the provision of Mass General Law Chapter 41 section 81T that the planning board will hold a hybrid public hearing on Tuesday, June 24th, 2025 at 7:20 p.m. via Zoom and in the land used hearing room at 454 College Highway South, Mass
to consider the revocation of security previously imposed under Mass General Law, Chapter 41, Section 81U, upon the subdivision developers at Sunnyside Ranch Estates, Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC, and the Pinnacle Estates at the
Ranch LLC. Zoom meeting information is listed. Information on this topic to be considered may be reviewed by contacting the town planner Alvin Allen at his email. Any person interested or wishing to be heard should appear at the time and manner designated sign Jessica
Thornton chair south with planning bill. Mr. Talon. Yes. So for this particular matter, we did receive a correspondence from our um Vacon Wilson. Um should have
language. one I can read it out loud and if you guys are in favor well let me just I'll review for the four um we'll give you a little bit of background history on this this was a
subdivision that was developed long ago the subdivision security that was uh available to the town was released and then there has been historical issues isues with the road structure.
Lawsuits ensued both between the uh town and the HOA and all the multiple developers that have held ownership over the years. And long story short, after all of the back and forth, um we had an executive session meeting with our town
council, um who advised that the town, uh planning board complete this motion to uh stop the pursuit of this monies to fix the road that has since been fixed by the HOA and
to if they are in need of further funds, it is a private way and they will continue that out with the developers themselves. The town no longer has a real stake in the matter. Um so what we are voting on tonight is to release um
this security without prejudice so that if we do need to bring this back to court in the future, we will in fact have that chance. All right. So, we have a letter that was developed
by town council that just reads, "The South Planning Board having met on June 24th, 2025, and a duly notice public hearing to consider the revocation without prejudice of a prior decision of the planning board on June 7th, 2022, and documented on a
certificate of planning board action dated June 28th, 2022, imposing new security for the completion of infrastructure at the subdivision known as Sunnyside Ranch. estates upon Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC andor Pinnacle Estates at the ranch. After consultation with council and as
necessary taking testimony from the agents of the town of Southwick and members of the public and reading correspondence from the interested parties or their council, the planning board determined that the new security previously imposed upon Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC on June 7, 2022,
pursuant to Mass General Launch Chapter 41 section 81U to secure the completion of subdivision infrastructure in the amount of $560,000 and to limit the total amount of security under Mass General Law Chapter 41 section 81U to guarantee completion
of the subdivision infrastructure at $560,000 as relates to Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC and is hereby withdrawn without prejudice. This document uh you may as necessary be recorded at the registry of deeds for
Hampton County after the passage of any time for appeal of this planning board action. So are there any questions, comments, concerns, members is a public hearing. So are there any
public comments, questions or concerns? Please stand and give your name and address. Good evening. My name is Mark Fulkill. side of 14 manage club. But I want to start by thanking you for your time this evening and for your commitment uh to the town. I know the
headaches are great and the pay is little. So, um, thank you for grouping. Um, so I am very concerned, as are many of my neighbors, uh, that the town is even
considering revoking what they put in place, uh, for what we asked for and for what this, um, board agreed to in 2022. Uh on May 24th, 2022,
we stood before this body and we asked for assistance. We asked for assistance with uh the repair of the roads um and holding the developers responsible for incomplete work
and for release of the covenant in lie of bond that the town had placed on the developers. So, I'd like to and before I get into some of the facts here, um I'd like to state for the record that um the
transcript of the May 24th, 2022 meeting, the minutes that are um online are incorrect and I was unable to find the transcript of the um um of the meeting, but I'm requesting a copy of
that transcript. So, I don't know how to go about doing that. if I send in writing or if this would suffice like blanket copy of the transcript of the May 24th, 2022 meeting that was a hybrid meeting as well and it's not available
online. So, um a few facts. So, the homeowners that are members of the homeowners association are each out of pocket over $11,000 each. And each of us paid that amount as
responsible neighbors, homeowners, uh, and members of this community. And we did it because you had a very unsafe situation, um, in our neighbor. And that unsafe situation led to two very serious
injuries. It also led to some of our neighbors not being able to adequately access their properties for us to be able to quietly enjoy our neighborhood. Um and um and again um you know the
safety issue really for Dominic. We didn't want to see anybody else hurt. Now this was going back and forth was in the courts. we were before the uh the board here and we just decided we were going to pay that amount so that we could um at least make it safe.
So as the work was being done um it was revealed that in fact there were other problems um with incorrect inadequate construction of uh the drainage sewer lines or I'm sorry not sewer lines there
lines um and even some of the drainage that impacted some of our our neighbors. I don't know if anybody's going to be online to talk about that. Um, but we do have some neighbors that have been ad adversely affected by that um inadequate
work uh that was done. So, the cause really for our unwarranted um assessment or expense uh that each one of the homeowners took on in excess of $11,000 is really the result of two
things. Uh defective process and failure to perform. Let me kind of unpack that a little bit. And the responsibility, by the way, for both of those um lies with the developers and and with the town. So, let's start with the defacto process. So, I was really
surprised to find out that the town allowed for um this covenant to be placed in lie of bomb. The covenant was essentially for um some of the lots in our neighborhood to be put up in lie of
a cash bond or shying fund. And what transpired was um somebody applied for release of that covenant in lie of bond and the town
allowed the release of that covenant. In fact, I'm here as a resident of Southwick because one of those lots is a lot that I purchased. Okay, which I'm grateful that I'm here in South. Love being a
member of this uh community. It's a great community. Um and my wife and I are just, you know, feel very privileged to be here. But I am just astonished that what the developers were allowed to do
or not do and then have that bond released was approved by the town. And it's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read several documents that point to the fact that there is nothing written, and if there is, I'd
love a copy of it because I will stand down that shows and demonstrates that the town exercise its responsibility to um ensure that those roads were completed according to the requirements
set forth in that covenant. the bond and in accordance with town code. Clearly they were not the facts. We have report after report from very good, very responsible, very reliable engineers that demonstrate that the top
coat was never put on which caused deterioration. And then once the deterioration occurred, other problems were revealed um around the catch basins and and some of the drainage. and it was just inadequate, inappropriate
uh construction. But the town apparently reviewed and approved the work, but we can't find any documentation then. So I asked why
why and how could you release a bond of what $560,000 without documentation? Never heard of it. Never ever heard of it that that would occur. So somebody's responsible for that. And it's not the
members of the POA who have to pay $11,000 in excess of $11,000 each to correct the problem. That was because of inappropriate, inaccurate um uh insufficient work done by the
developer or developers. Now, you know, responsibility supposedly passed from one developer to another. Regardless, the town has a responsibility to the taxpayers to ensure that when
they release a bond, which exists explicitly for the case that's before you right now for work that wasn't done, town has responsibility to ensure that that happens and they protect the homeowners. Now, I stood before you
again on May 24th, 2002 when one of the members of the board asked, "What do you want us to do?" And I asked for indemnification. I asked it. And what I meant by that was make sure that the homeowners don't get punished that don't get stuck with the
bill. the developers walking away and in my opinion dissolving at least one of them dissolving their corporation knowing that they had a liability to the homeowners and to the town which by the way is fraudulent under Massachusetts statutes. That's the fraudulent
dissolution of an LLC. And the reason why I bring it up, it's actually in the minutes of the meeting that was held after I appeared on May 24th where you actually approve um putting the this or the security on
the developers to try to um force their hand if you will whether through payment or whether through performance to complete the roads as required. In addition to complet uh incomplete completion of the roads, incomplete
construction of the roads, there were other things that the developers were supposed to do that were never done. Who surveyed it? Who went and and looked at it and signed off on it? I know when I've had work performed at my house, I
have to pull a permit and the inspector comes out and looks at it, right? Isn't that the process? Then they sign off. They say, "Okay, you're good to go. Why wouldn't somebody do that when you have over half a million dollars to state?
There's no record of it. Where is it? What happened? How was that bond released without an inspection done and documentation that should have been part of what came before this body to release that bond? So, here we are. Now,
fast forward, um, we're stuck with a bill or work that should have been done and that should have been reviewed and signed off on by the town and it never was. So, we are asking I'm asking, you know, on behalf of my neighbors and I
know there's others here that may want to comment. So really asking that you do not release um the uh security that you've placed on the developers and that you work with us to try and
help us recover the amounts that we've you know paid out of our pocket again for the safety of our fellow citizens here in South um and assist us in trying to finally resolve this matter. And if you don't want to do that in
terms of following up with security on the developers, then I'm going to ask the town to reimburse the members of our POA who have to pay out of pocket for that money uh for that work to be done. So is our money paying for something the developer should have done? I mean,
we're not asking for anything, you know, unreasonable here. We've asked for your support, for your help, and that's what I meant by indemnification when I talked to you in 2022. We want the town's help for the kind of help that they should have provided before they released
the covenant in lie of bond. Thank you. Are there any other public comments online or in person? Yes, we have one online. Okay. Name and address. Yes. My name is Mike Browny. I live in uh Westfield at 74 Old Feeding
Hills Road. I'm the attorney for uh Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC. Um which is the party that you're proposing to release uh here tonight. I just want to point out a couple of things. Uh one, it's my understanding that this release would release
Sunnyside Ranch Estates LLC, but not the subsequent developer Pinnacle. Uh so that's an important point to make. Uh in in uh sort of in response to the comments we just heard, uh you would not be, as I understand it, releasing both of the developers. You would be
releasing the first developer who transferred the property rights as well as the covenant requirements to the second developer. Um, I guess the other point I would make is that when the security was imposed back in June of 2022,
it was two months later when the superior court dismissed the town's claims uh against Sunnyside Ranch Estates. The court observed that the reason for that was because Sunnyside Ranch Estates no longer owned uh any property in the subdivision and so it
could not be uh held to any uh liability under the statute the subdivision statute. Um and then I just want to point one more thing out. Um, in January of this year, judgment was actually entered against the subsequent developer
pinnacle in the amount of $51,700, which my understanding is uh that is the actual amount of funds expended to complete the roads. So, there is a judgment against Pinnacle. Um what that
what impact that has on the security requirement as dependical is not my concern. But certainly it should not be the case that um Sunnyside Ranch Estates which does not own any of the property anymore should be held to uh continuing
obligation to provide security for road work that's already been completed. Um and I guess that's my final point is the road the road work has been completed. I'm not sure what the statutory authority would be for continuing to impose a security requirement on a
former owner for a road that has in fact been completed. So that's all I just want to say uh on the record. Thank you. Thank you, Attorney Randy. Any other public comments online or in person? Yes. Um Jim Sullivan, Dave View
Lane. Um yeah, I do want to be clear on what he's asking uh who you're releasing. We agree to beh. That is correct. Um because you know we're here because we want to see if the town's standing up for taxpaying people
or if they're standing up for the developers of Sunnyside Ranch estates. Um if you're showing now that you're going to back off on the developers, uh you're showing whose side you're basically on. Um I think Mr. Phelps uh
was involved with the release of block 24 um which is the first block on those roadways that was improperly released. The roadway was not even started yet.
Bot 24 got released. Um and once it's released the deed is owned. um the people who purchase the property own any problems whether the road is going to be built or
not. So at a town releasing these the covenant allowing the developers and developers selling lots on incomplete roadways means the people who buy the lot have
100% own the roadways no matter if they're built or not. And I think that's the one thing the town's not understanding. I think the town looks at it as well they're public road I mean private roads. So we have no we have no you know we washed our hands
in this and it's not that the people who purchased these lots thought everything was good not knowing that a town and the developers aren't doing their jobs. um they own the problem once they buy
the lot. So the covenant protects them. It's as strong as anything out there. I think Mr. Molgan had said that multiple times at the Westfield how strong this form of covenant was back before the the release. Um but it seems like after the
release um everyone everybody washed their hands. So again, we the the taxpayers uh but you have a good taxpaying base right there. Uh very profitable. Um not much you got
to got to do. Couple kids at schools and uh few other services, but it's pretty profitable area. Um so you know, you guys are going to show that you either stand with us or you walk. So, I don't
know what else to say. Thank you. Any other public comments? All right. Um, I do have an additional comment if I Sorry, Mr. F. Um, sort of in response to some of the previous comments made. So, um, just want to be
clear that the covenant luabond was released to Sunnyside, not to Pinn. Yeah. 20 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. in order for that just because I think it's getting confused between the money that we're talking about today and the covenant in le of bond that was released
decades ago. So I just want to it is but I want to be clear that we all understand what we're speaking on since it is a little convoluted for I understand but the covenant in lie of bond is material because the town released
that covenant. There must have been some type of attestation that was made by Sunnyside in order for the town to release the covenant.
If there wasn't, then why? And if there was an attestation that the all the requirements that were set forth in that covenant were satisfied, then we have a problem. I think we have a problem.
Second, um the fact that the road was completed in and of itself should not be the reason for release of the security that was placed on any of the developers because
it was the residents, the homeowners that actually paid for it, which goes back to our original point. So the fact that the road is completed should not be reason for release of security because the reason why that security was imposed
is because the town even admitted that the roads weren't fully completed. There was never a top code. That's not that fact, you know, is not in question. Thank you. One other thing, the DPW Yes,
Mr. Sullivan. Yeah, thank you. But the DPW did prove that these roads were not only incomplete, but they proved that the roads were dangerously built. Um, basically the infrastructure was never connected below the pavement. It it was
deteriorating the ground, pulling the ground down and the actual pavement was collapsing. Uh we had several sink holes and we had a young child get really hurt and we had a a woman walking and uh ended up going down hard and having two
surgeries. So very unsafe. Uh it was kind of like they were just left to do whatever they wanted to do. Um but the DPW proved they were very unsafe. Thank you. All right. Um that was a lot to take in. I appreciate
everybody's public comments. One real quick thing, uh, this board and everybody on it acts in the best interest of both the town and the town's people regardless of the taxpaying capability of the residents we are
looking to assist. Um, I would also add that factually as stated by attorney Rowdy online that the superior court dismissed our claim that we are currently looking to
release. Right? They told us we cannot go after this LLC. The town doesn't have a right to do that. You can't do that. This is our action to acknowledge it on the advice from our town council. Um the judgment that was placed against
Pinnacle back in January is my understanding that that is the monies for the work that has been done under the uh POA's funding that if you're looking for reimbursement of that that that is the LLC that you are supposed to
be going after in future. We are not releasing them. So, we are still on your side and that we are looking for that money to come back to you to get you back whole. Um, whether or not this work has currently
been approved by our DPW director, I'm not certain. Um, we can verify that. I can't speak to what the town board did 20 years ago. I wasn't a resident here. Um, and I can just say that as a board
member who has been here for seven years, if you want to ask me details of exactly what I received when I released a covenant in lie of bond on one development versus the other, I would have a hard time a hard press to be able to give you the answer verbally. I do
understand that our town planner um did do research to try to find all the documentation and provided that to town council when these um hearings were being held in court. Um, what was the result of that? Can I ask? I off the top of my head, sir. I am not. Can we get
any answer to that? We can certainly ask. Can you produce the documents that were used to release the covenant? I'm pretty certain that all has been produced and given to the attorneys. I'm not going to ask my current town planner to redig through um that information since it was work that was already done.
Um, what you've never received it as as requested. Okay. So, what I will do is uh continue this public hearing to the next hearing. We will reach out to town council to have them review your public
comments and make sure that the town by doing this particular action is not letting go of any of our power to assist you, the homeowners, and getting back the funds that you rightfully deserve for the homes that you purchase. And when somebody buys a home in town, we
want you to be able to buy it with the assumption that it was built properly and that the infrastructure surrounding it is there to support you and isn't going to fail. Yes, it gets a little bit complicated when you're talking about a private way and town taking ownership because we don't do that in the end. Um,
and again, it's something that's been ongoing for 20 plus years and a long-standing issue currently. Um, so we won't make any final decision tonight, but we will definitely reach out to town council, make sure we are doing the right thing. We will speak to the town
planner to make sure that the research was done and provided to the attorneys and perhaps we can advise or ask our attorneys to share that with the POA's attorney so that everybody has all the information. Um, they probably my guess would be that they already have it, but
attorneys get lots of documents and may not have shared it with you. Um, are there any other comments or questions from boarding authors? Thank you. Then do I hear a motion to continue this public hearing to our July
22nd uh meeting at 7:15 p.m. Dave Spina? So vote second. We'll call vote Jessica and I. Dave Spina I Dian Ja IR Phelps. Yes. Yeah. All
right. Thank you for your questions. Thank you very much. 8:30. Next on the agenda is uh 157 Pets Road. This is an opening of a new public hearing. So I will reason a notice of public hearing into
the record. Notice is hereby given in accordance with the provisions of Mass General Law, Chapter 48, Section 11, and the Town of South bylaws that the planning board will hold a hybrid public hearing on Tuesday, June 24th, 2025 at 7:25 p.m.
online via Zoom and at town hall 454 College Highway South, Mass. on an application by crepes tea house for a special permit modification, wellhead protection district special permit, non-conforming use ststructure special permit, flood hazard and wetlands
district special permit and site plan approval at property known as 157 Feeding Hills Road in the agriculture and conservation AC zone. The property is shown on current assessors map 68, parcel 52. The applicant proposes to permit the use
of outfield buildings at the subject property in accordance with the code of southward zoning bylaws chapter 185 sections 9 10 11 20 22 28 and 30. Zoom information is provided. A copy of the application may be inspected by
contacting Alvin Allen town planner at his phone or email. Any person interested or wishing to be heard on the matter should appear at the time and manner designated Jessica Thornton chairperson south planning board. Um before we go any further,
Jennifer will be removing herself from the table as an active participant due to a conflict of interest. Um and with that in mind, we usually notify the applicant that um when we have one member down, we
will be tapping our associate member, Shiovani Alen, to step in as a voting member on this special permit. line up name and address for the record. Okay. Once again, I'm still Steve Salvini from Salvini Associates and I'm here with
the owner of Crepes Tea House 157 House. Um, we were here last year and before that for this special permit and because of the
pre-existing non-conforming zoning problem we had, we weren't able to utilize the gazeos that were built for outdoor dining. the the buildings all the way through the conservation commission were approved for where they are. We actually
have a certificate of compliance from uh conservation commission that uh remove when you have a notice of intent it puts a lean on your property and so the uh certificate of compliance removes that from the the lean. Um so what we have is
we have the buildings that are there. They don't have is access to them. They don't have the 88 uh ramps, any gap ramps that would go there. And we deliberately left those off because we couldn't use them for dining. And
conservation commission said if and when you get your special permit from planning approve, we'll go back to Concom and file an RDA to add on the the ramps. And that should be really not a
contested thing. is just a a buffer zone thing at that point. Just simply adding the ramps to access the buildings. And that's predicated upon your uh approval of our special permit under the new South
zone change that will allow modification of pre-existing non-conforming use for a business. There's several other business in town that would probably enjoy this as well where a business grows. It starts off in a zone that's not uh was
not zoned for that. Uh and then it grows and develops into something nice like what Crepes Tea House has. and they try to make it a little better and then they're stymied because the previous non-conformity
doesn't even wouldn't even allow them to put a refrigerator unit on the outside building. These units or gazeos that he has are for outdoor dining. They are not an increase in the seating capacity for the building. Seating capacity is at 93 and
that's what it is and has been. It's not they're not looking to increase seating capacity. When these units I keep calling them units, when these gazeos get uh used, they will remove tables and chairs from the bar area to accommodate
for the seating that's going to be taking place out there or limit seating inside. A lot of a lot of restaurants will do that if they have seating arrangements somewhere else. They don't go beyond their capacity. They just open outdoor seating or something. So, um,
that's pretty much where we're at. Um, did I miss anything? No, I don't think so. Um, yeah. Can you do you have site plan? We
submitted it and you can describe of buildings where you would propose grants. Yeah. Again, like I said, these are all approved by conservation commission for
their sighting in the buffer zone that they're in. We do have a copy of the conservation commission approval. All right. Okay. So, feeding hills is here. Restaurant is right there. They have a deck out back parking.
This was This is the brook. And we have three gazeos put up and walkway between them. And this is the exact plan that was submitted and conservation needed on the 600
compliance for that portion of the project. So they're going to excuse me have access ramps. This is the pathway obviously for end up putting into those buildings from there. Um
and again this could be a lot of wobbly as it so it's not really increase any an additional footprint within the conservation area side are shown here. So it's not an
increase in just terms and again we have to go to the conservation commission to submit to you get the rafts put in because of the buffers on stuff. So they scrutinize that as well.
What is the material that was used to pave the walkways? Papers, right? Papers, right? Sorry, just for my own clarification, are you looking to put ramps on all three structures or just At this point,
they're probably going to do one at a time. Yeah. One by one. So, let's just pretend that he's going to do this one first. I'm not sure which one. Yes. So, you put a ramp on that one. they'd sub it and get it and then uh they start
using it and then maybe in a some time frame after that they take people use them have to put on ramps for all when we go to conservation we're going to get approved for ramps for all three and may or may not build
all three ramps all at once they'll probably stagger them as as allows but you're going to get the approval for all three at the same time. Yes. Exactly. We're going to do that now. You're not going to stagger it with us whether you're going to use one or two
or three. We're asking for all three. Exactly. But the reality is they're only going to probably do one at a time until they until business allows them to. Um before I get to board member questions, let me just read in what
we've received and town departments. We did um receive a copy of the conservation commission approval and the issued certificate of compliance. Um we then got an email from Thomas Eert
who is the town's health director who addresses his concerns to Alvin. My main concern is regarding the septic system. Fields for restaurants are sized by number of seats. I believe the current system is sized for 93 seats. If Crepes Tea House plans to increase their
seating capacity, they would most likely need to make modifications to their septic system. Given the size of the lot and proximity to the stream, expanding the septic might be very complicated. As the town is currently without a building inspector, I know that the prior building inspector had previously
expressed concerns regarding ADA compliance in the gazeos and access to bathrooms. Please share this comment with the board. Um, we also received a letter from Randy Brown, DPW director. DPW has reviewed
the special permit modification request for 157 Beating Hills Road and provides the following questions or comments. One, the applicant should confirm whether water services will be extended into the proposed dining spaces. Two, please clarify whether additional off- streetet parking is being proposed to
accommodate this use. Three, the plan included with the application dated 21225 shows 52 parking spaces, one of which is accessible. A recent inspection indicated that there are actually two accessible spaces. However, per town bylaw section 172-9, a
facility with 52 parking spaces requires three accessible spaces. Please clarify and update the parking lot to meet these guidelines accordingly. Right. That's it. Do you want to address those? Sure. Uh there's not there will be no water
uh lines put into these buildings. Um there's no increase in seating. Therefore, the septic system is still in compliance. Um and we don't have three up there. It's easy to make a third handicap
space. There's no problem. It's I looked it up at the parking lot regarding that and it was one spot which easy to just basically draw handicap and that's it because it has um I can even show you
it's this area because we have as you see a line of property goes and goes here. So, one of this parking lot because if nobody parks here, so it's easy access and both sides
kind of it's wider. All right. Sure. If you're going to be able to reach up to that, I'll look to board members for questions. Are the out buildings electrified? Yes. They have lighting.
and down lights or side lights or has um has lights inside. It has outside for if it's get dark obviously for security purposes to kind of make sure they see where they go. Is there lighting along
the path at all? Um we have some lights on the building which lights up as you go for a path and right next to the door we have couple of lights also. Same same thing. Um, movement activated.
Are you planning on using these? Yeah. No. Uh, anytime the restaurant's open, they'd be accessible or useful or would only be during certain hours? I mean, it's all it's all obviously going to be accessible when the
restaurant is open, but it's more like for events purposes, small gatherings, not again, they're not big, so we cannot fit 50 people in them. So, it's more like full obviously it has to be supervised when we don't want to leave it unattended and anybody can How many
people can you get it? Uh I I know I know one of them is bigger. It can hold like 20 people, right? So, and the smaller ones smaller, maybe 15. I I knew I just wanted to say that because they're not huge. They're not big at
all. How many seats are in the main building right now? No seats at all. It just uh they have seating for 93. So we have seating for Oh, I'm sorry. And then there's three other buildings. One takes 20. How many others?
Close to maybe 15 of each. 15 12 to 15 depend what what is needful. So idea is um let's say if you have kids party and kids can be in one building drawing doing things and food can be served in a
different building and adults can kind of hang out separately so they can make noise and you know in building so it's not like they running around crazy. So, um I hear you. I guess my Well, I can
answer what you're about to say is a lot of times you go to a restaurant and they'll have tables that you know you're waiting. They'll tell you got 15 20 minute wait for a table and there's like three tables that are empty over there. Nobody's sitting at it, but they they have those tables blocked off because they don't have the help or something
going on. So, same thing here is when they have a a a party or a group out in one of the cases, if they have 20 people out there, there's about 33 seating uh seats in the bar area that they can just uh mark off as, you know, reserved. So,
they can take the the the number of people that want to go out in one of those and cancel out this the those seats in the building. So, I get that. I guess my only where my head's going is we're increased or our objective is to move some seats outside and we're
technically asking for 50% increase on seating. So So we got 93 heads right now and we just added 50 more is what we're we're talking about potentially. We want 50 more people there. We want more
people on site, but we're not going to use seat. I I get we're gonna cancel the other seating, right? So, we're going to mark off an area and say these aren't used because we're trying to get around the set big thing. So, I guess that's my Well, not not get around. They they can only have 93 people there. However, wherever they put them, that's their
limitation for that restaurant based on subject and whatever else. You guys are going to designate an area that's Exactly. Yeah. You see other restaurants do that every now and so it's not unheard of and I don't think it's that complicated a
thing to do. I hear you. I'm just by percentages from 50%. I mean, but it's not a it's not you're you're right. There's an extra seating out there, but it's going to be canceled out. So, it's not an it's an
increase in potential places you can sit, but it's not an increase in the number of people who will sit there. They're offering seating in different locations, but they're not increasing the number of people who can fill that restaurant. Got we're going to be
canceling 50. If if we were to use the 50 outside, we'd be getting rid of the 50 inside, right? I want to add to that and unlikely they all going to be used at the same time. This is more like options because we have let's say for example we have bridal shower and they
want to come at noon and start decorating and we're not allowing them because we have you know Saturday and Sunday this is the most busiest times so we give them only one hour and they obviously rushing everybody and they mad
at us but you know we want to make sure everybody's happy and most likely it's okay They're decorating one space for event. They're putting things together. Another space get cleaned, things get
moved. Um, but it's very unlikely it's going to be three of them used. Even if a three of them going to be used, it's high possibility. It's going to be not it's not going to be 50 people. It's going to be the same like 20 or 30 people just wanting between three spots
because let's say they decided to have a kids playing and drawing one building and eating in another and adults can be in the different building or something like that. This is how I imagine it, you know, or like I said with decorations or something like that. If somebody says,
"Hey, uh, we want to start decorating." Okay, take it and have it for certain certain time we're going to use it but we can start decorating early and cleaning up after have some time. Yeah. So it's more like options. It's
not intention to increase value. It's more like options for people where they can sit and what we can do. So again how late you guys open? We so by very yeah we open uh usually we
open until 11 but again this is hours of operation but again we it's 9:30 nobody around we start this I guess what I'm wondering is would a group be able to book one of those building buildings and theoretically be out there until 11:00
can put restrictions I mean I'm open that's kind of where my head's going to say something that says hey can open after I don't know what the time is But something you know I mean you're in a residential area you know 10 o'clock is usually quiet time so right I don't know
I don't I have to go take a look at the noise yeah we have a noise ordinance timing is yeah usually 10 o'clock is quiet time I probably want to be consistent sure even
a little bit more conscientious of where we are. Um, and because I can visualize your vision for this, like, yes, I want to have a smaller group party. I don't want to be in the restaurant and bothering the other um people there.
Yeah, maybe I would like to be outside. And yeah, sure, my kids might want to go outside and chase the fireflies, but when my kids start screaming at 8:15, 8:30 at night, I don't want to hear that. And I could be pretty certain that the neighborhood you're located in would
be. So I would probably suggest that we do go forward because there will be a cut off time for outdoor gatherings for that particular. Um Mr. Faultz, I think we need to get a accurate
capacity on the gazeos. I don't know. I mean the building inspector has to have some guidelines uh as to number of square feet we will allows such and such a capacity or I don't maybe the fire department's the
one that sets that I mean we have the rooms we have signs you know max capacity whatever you need to see I think what that is for sure so we can kind of decide uh
is there any idea of seasonal use. These are year round uh building or they can be used year round. It's New England. I mean whatever we can do they don't have any special heating or cooling. So if it's like 93°
people going to be cooking there. So I mean um same thing in the winter time if it's too cold it's nobody going to be there you know. But again, sometimes like last winter is pretty mild, you know, it's uh if you like it's a not a
big room if you close it everything and uh people just with breathing can heat it up, you know. But again, we we're not putting any additional heat or AC is what I'm trying to say. So I don't
know whether we could specify a time frame when during the season when they can be outused if that accomplishes anything. It may may not be that significant. I think the trying to
balance uh as Jason's talking about here uh you have 93. Okay. Who's going to manage that? We need 30 outside for the gazeos. That means we've got to reduce that capacity inside the building. Is
there, you know, to find space that someone could check on who who's going to check? You know what I mean? The same person who goes around and checks all the other places. That's good, right? I mean, we have a manager and stuff um eat from comes a little bit later. It
doesn't come at 7 when we open. Comes at 9 couple hours later and stays up till the closing. So we can always and again all the events I mean we know ahead it's not uh I mean as much as we know maybe
couple days prior if let's say then after funeral let's say nobody knows when they die and if somebody orders most of the time it's like three two two three days ahead they you know plans so you know you have plans ahead as to
what's reserved. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be walk-ins and sit up. Um we have requests for some AA meetings. Uh we have requests for uh and especially you know we we don't serve much alcohol but they want to be away from that. Uh
not even have any temptations. We have um church groups meetings which we want to have some food catered and talk whatever they talk. Um we have um like a dog birthday we had once request and
we're not allowing him having the restroom but gazebo kind of health inspector might challenge you we can keep I'd love a good birthday party but this might be a good challenge for our new
planner to come up with a uh method of managing uh this capacity but I don't know if there's any other started Marcus even the wall say I mean we had fun with the uh marina
so we had to come up with numbers there very very meticulously counting so could we could we could you do something where you condition a seating
based upon building inspector's uh determination yeah I think Because you say you say, "Yeah, I put a table in there and I can put about 15 chairs in there." Right? That's one thing. That's practicality from you from
a restaurant owner's operative status. That's what you see. The building inspector is going to say, "Okay, but with this door open and somebody in a wheelchair, they need to have turnaround space." And does that mean you no longer can have one big table in here? And you talk two smaller ones in that gazebo.
You thought you could fit 15 people and you really only can fit eight. So like we find that we can determine size by size how many people we can serve and we can have a note right at the door maximum capacity and that's it. We can
see it if it's okay 23 is there and it says maximum don't enter you know something like that. Any more questions from that end of the table? Mr. Phelps, Mr. Carlson, does 93 people
ever come to your restaurant at the same time? Uh, hard to say. The busiest day it's Mother's Day. Um, and again, we try to keep like Steve said, sometimes you want to make sure
they don't wait too long for food because they get upset. And, uh, try to settle it as as capable we can because we asking to, you know, even if we wait for the table, be someone permises, you
know. Um, the Mother's Day is probably the busiest day. how much overall let's say on a regular day people um it's hard to say like I know deck withholds 48 and usually when it's like
a nice day everybody wants to be there when it's like too hot they want to be inside and inside I think we can hold 50 and I I seem very difficult like uh like
maybe once in a few months we have full restaurant without a bar often and this is where um but it depend on the season. So your main seating area holds 50.
Yeah, around that. Yeah. And on Mother's Day this year, did you have to turn anybody away? Did you have a full parking lot that difficult to manage? Yeah. When Mother's Day comes in, it's a yeah, it's a challenge, but we're trying to do our best to kind of, you know, um
people calling ahead. We try to make a phone line, uh wait and we tell them just, you know, because they even have a hard time finding a parking lot on the parking. So, we have uh we're calling them back because those guests are leaving. We ready?
Not on the Mama's Day because on the Mother's Day it's, you know, let's say we tell you two o'clock and later we're late, you're gonna be mad. So, we just tell them it's it's a wait list. This is how we call it because we try to if let's say you're done with the food, I
cannot come and tell it's time to go. You know what I mean? So, we just wait patient until they leave and we call another couple. If if they already decided we found some other place, it's fine. But they still patiently waiting. We'll fill in back.
Any more questions or is that okay? Um well, so these ramps if they're handicap like they got to be a certain angle. So push up a person like that.
Like it's a sidewalk that they're going to be built on long enough to put the ramp. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know how how tall and so idea is to wrap around the building. So that way we kind of go in the back
and it's going to like slightly degrade and it's not going to be impact on the nature because it's going to be attached to the building. So whole idea to touch to the support not on the ground. So it's not going to be impact to the conservation.
Any other board member questions at this time? All right, then let me open the floor to public comment. Is there anybody here in person that would like to speak
and address the room? Mr. Cena, name and address for the record. Everybody gentleman behind you talk a good speaker, but I'm not public speaker. a couple thing that I'm concerned about basically and I don't want to go back
into a history lesson but I lived at my resident for over 50 years now. I probably seen 8 to 10 businesses come and go out of this situation and like the gentleman said before he says as a resident I'd like to have a peaceful quiet neighborhood which is I
think we all enjoy that. Uh when the purchase of Py House came in this purpose and we had sent sit here with the select men basically this place was packed with neighbors at the time. Okay. We had undergone a couple business
before that tried outdoor entertainment and things and it got so out of hand that the neighbors were just we can't see this again. We made it very clear the night when the purchase was being made that you're buying a restaurant and
the traffic the outside activities are not going to take place and that was cut and dry at the point. Okay. Since then how we got to this point is not even an issue. But recently as our grown and had to grow it. As a
businessman, I can understand trying to increase his business. But as a neighbor, he went with a one day barbecue, which is great. Okay. But as a neighbor, I have to smell the barbecue like a campsite one day a week. I have to listen to the power saws cutting wood
to make that. That's another issue. And then they put another cooler outside to probably make up for the amount of people. So people like to open their window at night and enjoy a nice quiet cool night. I have to listen to these coolers running all night long as having a trailer truck under your window.
That's just an issue up to this point here. Okay. He put the boat out there with the kids enjoy which is great. I have eight grandkids and a great granddaughter and I love kids. Okay. But kids make noise. Okay. He brings four or six little kids out there. They don't talk. They don't laugh. They just
scream. Okay. So I'm out there listening to kids scream. That's fine with me. But if we turn around and text and let's have a party out here of 10 or 20 kids, okay, it's going to be like a playground at a school, okay? Which lasts maybe 15 20 minutes. You have 20
kids out there having a birthday party or two or three hours. That's going to be an awful long situation, okay? As far as I'm concerned of noise involved here for all these businesses that came in over the years, anybody that tried to go outside and do one thing, the conservation committee
said, "You're not touching anything outside here. That's the way it's going to be." Now, when they came in here, they proposed a plan of it be nice to have residents enjoy the South air, the fresh air. We'd like to put a little walkway here and some flowers and some benches maybe so people come out before
after dinner and and walk around and enjoy the fresh air of Southwick. Maybe put some little gazeos in to keep the mosquitoes and stuff. So that plan I guess the conservation committee went along with the planning board went along with the building. Even the neighbors came as well. We're okay with that. So
as neighbors we weren't against any of this. Okay. Then all of a sudden everything changed. So these little gazels became buildings. We're talking about like restaurants now. Three little restaurants now coming in here. You talk about
get togethers, maybe weddings, kids making noise. This neighborhood will not be quiet anymore if you're going to give them a blank check of time to be there. If he says, you know, can I get a permit to put a couple parties on some weddings and stuff during the month or something? They had a wedding there a couple times. They first been I enjoy the wedding
there and the music and the people having fun. I'm not against that. But the problem is the amount of space you have there. You got cars parked on the road down the road where the pumping station goes. It's hard to bring a a goodiz group in there when you haven't got the facility to do that. So these
issues along with the we're trying to change what's been put together here to make it work which certainly never got off the ground to start. But we've gone so far down the road now. How do we go back from this point? As far as saying, "Hey, I want to be open from every Saturday and Sunday and the
evenings to bring people in here for parties and stuff. It's not going to be the San Diego anymore." And I'm sorry about that because Art's a great guy. I hope his business knows good. I'm glad he's crowded over there. When he first got there for the first period of time as a restaurant, I was the first guy to
stand up. Hey, give him a liquor license. He's been a great neighbor. But since then, it's like, let's do as much as we can outside. And anytime you go outside, it becomes like I'm sorry about that. Kathy saying 129. That's I'd like to
know. He has a large trailer refrigerator outside in this property. That's fine if that's what he's allowed to do. But now there's like these boxes on top of the trailer and I'm not going
to trespass on this property to look on the other side what they are. I don't know if they're bird houses. I don't know what they're doing with them, what they plan on doing with them. I just, you know, it's just very unusual putting
these boxes all on top of this big long freezer they have. And they I don't know what they're for. Bees. Huh? Bees. Oh, bees. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the bees. Okay.
I didn't know we'd go that high up. That's pretty high. Some bees. Great altitude. Another public comment. Yes. Thank you, Diane Joel, 145 Mills Road. Um, I have a few concerns. Um, ADA
obviously has been a big one for me. Um, if you're going to request three ramps, all three of those buildings need to be accessible to people with handicaps, not just one of the following. But the law says that if you're going to
have those outdoor restaurants or those outdoor seating, they all have to be accessible to people with disabilities. So, I understand that you're going to request three, but you have to make them accessible, all three. Um, that's what
the law says. The other things that I'm concerned about is obviously I echo what my neighbor said, the noise that we hear already um is a lot. I understand, you know, that you're doing great with the
barbecue and I'm happy that you're doing great with the barbecue, but there is no buffer between all of that and that access road which abuts our properties. So, we hear everything. Um, the barbecue
smell doesn't bother me. People barbecue. It's only been one day a week. However, we're hearing the noise continuously. If you are having outdoor functions and there's no limit to how many functions
you can have in a week, that is a lot of noise for our neighborhood. That has been relatively quiet considering it's on a main street. The other concern I have is that if you're having those larger gatherings, it's going to require
more parking. You said that you were going to take seating from outside or inside to compensate for the seating that you want to do outside. However, based on past experiences, I'm not overly confident that that's actually
going to happen. I want reassurance that that indoor capacity is going to be limited to what the outdoor capacity would state and used accordingly. I want to make sure of that because I have seen those
cars parked on that access road. That's not okay. Part of that access road is our property. I've also seen cars parked on the other side of that waterway on special events. I have pictures. They've been parked on
that property. That is private property. And I've seen people walking out onto 57 to go from where their car is parked on that private property to your restaurant. that is extremely dangerous. That is a state highway.
So part of the the section that you cited is chapter 185 section 9. It clearly says that in that section there needs to be additional Austria parking. There needs to be you need to look at the septic situation. If you're going to
increase that that number of people at a time, you have to look at that situation because that is going to be affected somehow. Where is the how is the bathroom situation going to affect if you have people with disabilities using
those outdoor facilities? How is that going to affect them? So, the building inspector had say stated previously that he was concerned about that bathroom situation for that ADA compliance and I echo that. Um, if
you're having large numbers of people outdoors, having people come inside like there's not enough bathroom capacity to handle all of that. How is that going to be handled? Um, I'm very concerned about
um the fact that when we look at special permits that it's not detrimental to the neighborhood or the area, this will be detrimental to our neighborhood because it's going to increase the traffic. It's going to increase the noise. It's going
to increase a lot for us. So, I just want to make sure that we're mindful of those situations because it it does affect us. And even looking at the fact that there was supposed to be a
um you know, a buffer around the barbecue area, stacking wood does not constitute a buffer. Like that's just the wood that you're using to cook. And I've seen the wood, you know, get knocked over. We have bears that go in and out of there all the time. I've seen
them. They knock the wood over. So, like, isn't that a safety situation as well? If you're going to have a bunch of kids running around, a lot of those areas are not really safe for for those kinds of parties. So, I just I guess I just have a lot of concerns about
compliance and I have a lot of concerns about how is you know, we're not looking at a site plan for those ramps. We saw the site plan that was previous. We don't have a new site plan for the things that you want to do with a new
special permit. So, that's my biggest concern. I would like to know how you're going to address that. Yeah, sure. Also, I have one more thing to say. On our property, we had the fire hydrant and when they
had a party, the cars went parked up on our land by our trees by the fire hydrant and down the access road. We had to call. So, is that that's recently? No, that was that was that one that one time from
before. Yeah, before they had an occupancy. And are there any public comments online? This is Richard Stanos, the fire chief. Um, and I'm sorry I couldn't be there in person this evening. I'm out of town. Um, I would just make the recommendation to the board, uh, that before they make
any decisions, um, that the town wait until we have a building official in place, um, so that we could look at some of the some of the smaller details of this, uh, idiosyncrasies on this project from the beginning have have been difficult to navigate. So, I think it
would be in the town's best interest just to wait until we have a building official um, in a permanent position in the town. Thank you. Excuse me, Richard. I just had a question. This is Alvin Allen Town Planner. Uh who who determines capacity of a of a structure?
Sure. That would be the building inspector. Um would determine that based on the square footage and whether or not there's fixed seings, fixed tables, and there's a couple of other variables, but that's that would that would fall into his purview. Thank you. Thank you, Chief.
Mr. Salvini Vitz, would you like to address any of the comments or questions brought forth during public health? Um, no. Doesn't want to say stuff. Um, we probably should get a continuence until you have a
building inspector and we can add on to the site plan where the proposed ramps would be because you're right, should have been on there. Um, in terms of
policing the restaurant more than we police other restaurants just because neighbors complain about noise. I'm sure every restaurant neighborhood has similar complaints from
the neighbors in that vicinity. And I don't think that the police department uh goes out of their way to police those things anymore than they do any other one. There's a seating
capacity of 93 people. He has no intention of increasing the seating capacity. Personally, I wasn't aware that cars are perking on the road. That's bad. Don't do that. I don't part
anyway. Um, so yeah, I think I think having a continuence till you have a building inspector makes sense and we can get those answers in. I'm glad you concur with that and um I think that will allow for us to have a
full view of what we're looking at and then for you to have a partner to work with to make sure that what we are presented with is what would be okay with the building inspector. Um so I think that's good for that purpose and
also to give board members a chance to really digest. Yes, I want to add something. Um, I'm not sure about what type of noise we're talking about because I just couldn't put my head out. Like noise. You're talking about
what? What type of noise? Can we address the board, please? Please address. Any questions? No, because I apologize. Your question is what noise the res I'm not. Yes. residents, can you please um give some
examples of the ambient noise that you find? Stand and state your I'm sorry. So big cooler. This is a right. So can we somehow figure out if that cooler is too loud?
Any option for that? Is that a new Is that an additional one? You've had a cooler in the past, right? Yeah. I mean, this one is over a year. There might be a way to look at it and put up maybe, excuse me, there might be a way to put
up a partition wall of some sort for deadening the sound. We could we could look at that. No. Yeah. And what kind of big Yeah. I mean, and yes, it's a fair play. We could look to see if there's a way to quiet that down. But can we
figure Oh, sorry. Yeah, I think we we heard we've got a sense of the noise issue. There's some that are going on. We could agree that you send somebody outside to cook at a
grill. The the cooks are going to have a conversation and that conversation outside is outside the original footprint of the restaurant, right? So, part of the reason why we're here is that this is a pre-existing non-conforming building.
prior to um last year, you did not even have the ability to come in and ask for any sort of expansion of your footprint or the use, right? So, here we are really looking at the expansion of the footprint of it. And because of that
expansion, um we have to look at whether or not that intensifies the use. So, what is written in our new pre-existing non-conforming bylaw that was approved that allows for this hearing to happen, the words that are there that are listed is that the board is supposed to make a
determination that this change would not uh negatively impact and really increase the intensity of that impact. So, we're looking at both the intensity of the impact and what exactly that impact is. So we have to look at it both like it is
practical to be able to offer your customers an additional seating option that your your a uh meeting was a great example that I I would never have considered before. Um but you have to understand that you're asking for
something outside the original purview that was given to you when you purchased this parcel and this property, right? And it's on us to look at whether or not you allowing those AA members to walk outside to their location to sit and
then the noise of your servers opening and closing the door and walking in and out and just the ambient noise conversation outside that impacts a residential neighborhood. So, we're going to discuss it. It's not that we're necessarily against you, Mr. Biscus and
wanting to um maybe not necessarily expand your business, but to be able to offer more options to your customers and we do recognize that you've been a successful business there and we are appreciative of that. Um, but I think with all the minor issues that we have
to settle on and then also the fact that we need to digest it and really take a look at this holistically, we'll continue um and we'll come back in July and see what else we have before us if we do have a building inspector's input at that time. Fingers crossed. Um, and
if not, we'll we'll continue to look at this and uh try to come up with a fair decision that is fair both to you and also to your neighbors because that's really part of this is not only what's reasonable like you know we don't go policing other restaurants, but we want
to make sure that this restaurant operates a good neighbor policy. Okay. All right. Um, one question. Yes, Mr. In combination with the uh the site burn, would you also offer uh elevation plans for the dimensions of the the racks? Oh
yeah. Yeah. Orientation. Yeah. Detail on planes. With that in mind, do I hear a motion to continue this public hearing to the July 22nd meeting at 7:20 p.m.? Dave Spina. So moved. Second. Roll call vote.
Jessica Thor and I. Dave Spina. I Marcus Phelps. Yes. So that close of the public hearing back. Okay. And we're gonna let Jesse come up.
All right. You can stay and hang out if you want. Um but he is next on the agenda. We're going to let Mr. Salt come up. Stick around. I didn't know he was going to be here, but I have some information I didn't have a chance to tell him about it. So,
oh, we're all getting you stuff. Welcome. Um, name and address for the record, please. Jesse Sal. Great. Jesse, I hear you've met with John, Randy, and Alvin. Yeah. Yeah. So,
we're continuing the complete water quality basin number three. We have a couple more days left there of loming and then uh we're going to seed it, but I don't know how much growth we're going to get right now. And then, uh we'll
continue working on the sidewalks to the crossing area. and um uh and long for a while. Um and uh I'm going to update a schedule and go over
it with uh John, Alvin, and Randy at the ne our next uh meeting because we we're a little bit off what I submitted to you guys before. So, I'll update that, go over it with them, and
then uh bring it to the next meeting for you guys on the 22nd, I think. And then uh um yeah, we've been working on the
permit for the water quality permit and we got some feedback from Yeah, I I hadn't had a chance to talk with him, but we uh submitted part of the 401 gets submitted to historical society, the
Indians, uh all that kind of stuff for their army corps that was submitted and we are finally finalizing the final package for the 401 water quality certification and we should have that submitted hopefully this week. They had I thought it was
already submitted. Yeah, the the the initial package was submitted. Okay. And then the actually the feedback that I talked to Jeff last week was that they're looking for additional pricing
on a real bridge crossing. They want because they want to know why we're going with this as opposed to that. Yeah. So that that's the feedback. What's really messed up is we have a designation that
that is not a stream by conservation standards, but Army Corps comes in and says it is a stream. And so now you have to have stream crossing standards even though conservation said it's not a stream. And so we have to have alternative analysis for methods of
crossing the stream. Can't use a culver because of the slope changes. And so what are the other options? Well, you we could we could have a poured in place
arch thing. You know, you pour the foundations, put the arch bridge in, but now you're you're disrupting all kinds of stuff, right? and pouring in place is really bad in a wetland resource area. They really frown on that and or putting
in a bridge. Okay, which would now be, you know, you'd have to it'd be crazy. So we have to come up with these alternative analysis to prove that the only alternative we have is this is what we're submitting because it's really
you're confident that your finalized package is going to pass state approval for what you want to we we met with them on site and their their 401 guys said that 99% of all packages that get submitted get kicked back with
additional information requested. So, yeah, we're going to submit it. We've got it's it's pretty thick and pretty I think I mean Jess Smith is our weather scientist guy. He's doing all that and he's he's good at it. But we're
pretty confident that we're going to get additional information requested and the timeline on their approvals whatever whatever it is. Right. Mr. Allen, did you have anything?
I know I see Mr. Goddard is online. Did you have anything to add from the DPW perspective? Wake up, John. He may be on live. You gota gota give me time to find them unmute buttons and everything else.
No, I think uh uh Jesse did a good job summarizing uh at least uh the updates and uh current status out there. And we're going to continue with the bi-weekly meetings. That's correct. All right. Very good. Are there any
questions, comments for All right. Very good. Okay. Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate your patience. Oh, no problem. I love coming here. freedom myself. I know it is actually it's better than
outside. Um, Miss Jezba is excusing herself from the desk again for conflict of interest as the next thing on our agenda is a discussion for 157 feeding hills rogue fra to consider outdoor cooking
operation extension. Do you not care? You could go home. I wasn't but I will. You might back. All right. Name and address for the record. Serins, 157 Hills Road.
Mr. Bisinsquez, did you get a chance to review our last meeting and our discussion that we had on this? No. No. Sorry about that. You were on our prior agenda. um for this request. You had sent it in requesting an
expansion of the outdoor cooking for more than one day. Um we got quite a response back from our health inspector. It's pretty lengthy. I won't go through all of it. Uh I will
summarize it by saying that he had no problems with you continuing the once a week outdoor cooking. he felt that the current setup was enough for his safety concerns. Um
after that increasing he would be looking for other things to add. Um we're aware that you read all that. Yeah, we're communicating back so I don't have to read this out entirely to you. what that we're communicating um
different options for hand wash and like basically he wants to have like a cleaning station. Yeah. Right on the spot which going to be obviously temporarily because it's moved back and forth. Um yeah that's it. So after
receiving that feedback you are dismissing the idea of 3-day because you would not be interested in installing a permanent. No, we interested. You're in. Yes. Right. I think the board members that were here when we were discussing
this the last time, we were all kind of on the same level with the health inspector that we're going to listen to him. And if his statement is that at two days a week, he would need to see these items there. Um,
even if it's a portable handwashing sink, that then to me says, well, I need to see an updated site plan that indicates where that handwashing station is going to be. Where is the water coming from? Um, and that's just surface
level practicality of it. not necessarily the board having a discussion over whether or not we would be willing to consider an extension of the outdoor cooking for more than one day a week as an incidental thing that the board granted you via letter for 6
months which isn't quite adhered to. So there's um that issue as well. when we issue a decision, we would like for it to be followed to the letter. Um, and I think all of us were in agreement at the time that
um, we would be okay with extending the one day usage, but that if we or you wanted to look at increasing that either by the days or because you decide to install something outside, even if it's portable, that changes it from a
discussion that the board is willing to give a letter of approval for versus now this needs to be rolled into a special permit public hearing for a modification to the special permit for extension. Okay. So,
yeah. So, I apologize I misunderstood last meeting because um we had a schedule mix up to Yeah, I was under the impression it's canceled and this is why I never show up. Um regarding extending a days um it's uh basically
we don't have intention to cook for three days in a row. We had an issue in the beginning where we issued only one day which we can choose and New England being New England rain is always chasing us from one day to another day and we
used to do it Friday and Saturday and Sunday and depend on the rain and we had a very bad respond by customers where they um got really confused and they start even disappearing just like because like we don't understand when
you guys open for for that. So, we decided we're going to stick with Saturday as a main day for cooking. Announced it and stick with that. But lately, we have 15 Saturdays rain. Oh, sorry.
Yeah. And we're like something would be nice to have as option to have again if we would announce that let's say uh Friday and Saturday two days to have it. So and if it's let's say Saturday run
out at least we have because it comes with preparation and um it's preparation starts on Wednesday and if you missed that day all that freshness goes away and uh we
cannot use that for um for next week obviously and it's that 15 Saturdays rain but we try to work for half a day just at least move some of them, we start cooking less and um and to keep a
consistent fire temperature and engine rate. Yeah. My husband complains about it all the time. Yeah. And obviously neighbors, we want to address that too. Just make sure they okay with that. It's it's not in our intention to be some kind of bad guy in the neighborhood. Uh
so if smells is the issue, maybe we can see if area can be moved somewhere. But again this is different issue noise we want to know what exactly noise if chainsaw we can we're already only using
X most of the time uh to split the wood chainsaw just if we get the bigger pieces with the you have it cut and deliver it on site. Yeah. But sometimes piece is too big on some of them and we have to cut it you know it's not like we
running send the bigger ones home with your net gear to beat your just we can talk about that though because person I would think you'd want to do that prior to no it's a prior to it's prior to it's not functional but you know we come we
dump it we obviously try to put it organized nicely okay I'm not aware of maybe I missed something. When we talked about the cooking designated spot, I'm not aware I have to have fence. Those wood which we put it, it's
just basically organized. Make sure we're not all over the place. At the same time, I think it looks cool and that's it. Helps wood dry. Uh but if we need to have fence at it, we can talk it like that. So not as part of this
discussion, we might consider that as part of the special permit to address the noise issues holistically. Um, so am I I don't say stuck. Is my special permit for the use of the
gazebo going to be tied to the outdoor cooking? Not necessarily. Unless Mr. Biscus would really like to push for the two-day and the portable handwashing station. Then we would advertise a secondary special
permit and then combine the two. No, no, I don't want to do let's keep it separated. Then um Okay. Perhaps the board would be in favor of in order to help Mr. Aiscus. And I I wanted to dig I
heard your commercial over the I was antiquing this weekend and I heard come for a smoked brisket at the Crepes Tea House Saturday on Feeding Hills from South. Oh, that's nice. It reminded me of the work I had coming this week. Um so I in order to make that work better
for you if decision or letter indicated instead of once per calendar week, we allowed it one day per three-day weekend. So, if it's, you know, you prepare the meat on Wednesday, it's, you know, marinating and it's good to go,
and you say, "Oh, Saturday is no good. We'll cook it up on Friday and have it available, reheat it the next day, or we wait until Sunday or however it is." You have to manage that menu option for yourself. Yeah, this is what I uh told in the beginning like when we start
jumping days, it got really bad that with customers especially. summers you had, you know, you smoo them a bit, you know, you know, so this is why we decided you could have a rain day like I was just gonna say rain day and Sunday we have a you know we have people
who are like for example we do on Friday and Friday is a nice day and Saturday ify and later Saturday came out nice day they all show up for for grill and it's like we did yesterday and we drive from upstate New York and
we got yelled And they might Why you never announced that that like announced that how I don't know your phone number to call you know it's like we're doing is a social media fierce social media um presence of you know hey this weekend this is what
we're looking to do and you you say follow us for updates and hey the weather isn't looking good for this Friday but if you come on Saturday we'll have it for you. I I can't address that. what I open maybe a suggestion if it if that the case we can maybe like instead
of having whole day open maybe certain hours I don't know and split let's say instead of whole day cooking maybe let's do let's say four or five days in one day and four or five days another day and if let's say if it's raining it's
raining you know it killed the day I just like it's easy for us as a communication with customers. Not everybody, you know, now people restricting themselves from social media and sometimes we notice we have no um
communication with people. We we're doing as much as we can and it's easy for us if we can, you know, maybe set some hours. Let's say I don't know like two to six or I think we kind of rejected that the last time though after the discussion was had that it takes
more than four hours to smoke your meat. So you kind of have to have it available to yourself all day to be out there to cook. We're not smoking. We cooking to water. So obviously you have to start the fire a little bit prior to that. Or if you cook a soup, it's basically an
hour prior, but we can do don't have let's say first hour soup and soup can be kicked in later. So something like that. And um I guess so problem with any of that is that it then becomes whether however many hours it
is, it's now two days. It's now Yeah. two days for the health inspector to say there's the possibility for crosscontamination moving from the kitchen outside back and forth, you know. So, I can't I'm not going to that. I'm not going to overstep the
health inspector in that way. And I don't think the rest of the board should seek to do that would um so would changing it from one day for weeks Sunday to Saturday and giving you
one day per calendar weekend of Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Would that at least offer you some bit more of flexibility so that you know we we used our one day a week on Sunday but next Sunday is going to be rain. So now we're screwed up because we can't use it on Saturday.
So we got to do it on S. I that's the only option I bank a day. I No, no. If you said, well, I'm only use four days of the month, but there be three in a row. No. Yeah. It's like, okay. Yeah.
So, and I think Go ahead. No, I I think it's pretty clear and one day one day a week is is what you can get without going through more rigorous permitting.
Correct. But if health inspector we we we're working with him if it's a issue of health inspector we will work with him. So I mean we we're talking because he basically asked about uh few issues which he has if we have couple
days instead of one. Mhm. Uh but we just want to know if it's makes sense invest in that because that required investment like stations and maybe additional something. So we just want to know instead of like gazeos are back like
build it and later ask for permission. We want to ask for permission first. And if that issue let's say you can be compliant if you're compliant with health inspector we will move on. If that gonna say okay we have more things
adding to that so we would we would like to know ahead. Right. So then what I would say is that you get from us today, provided everybody is still on board with it. An extension of your ability to cook one
day per week or weekend. What do you want us to weekend? Weekend. That'd be better. Maybe add for a little bit of flexibility. Um and we will give you that for a six-month period of time. We would do I
come back after six months. If you want to continue it. Yes, please. Sorry about that. And no, it's what if you want to grill something in the winter? I'm sure that would taste lovely. That's I want you to do it though in compliance and not open yourself up for further
complaints because you're not doing. Okay. Um so what we'll do is we will have Mr. Allan, draft that up and we will sign off on it on the next meeting provided we vote here to make that happen. Okay. Um, with that all in mind,
are there any questions, comments, concerns from board members? Any questions, comments, concerns from members of the public? Miss Jes, thank you. Diane Jes, 145 Beating Hills Road. Um, the one day a
week has been okay. I know that you had 15 days of rain, but you've still been able to barbecue. I see the umbrellas. I see the barbecue signs. Um, so it's still happening. Um, so I know it's been somewhat successful. Um, again, I am concerned that if it increases, that
increases our invoice just like the others. So, I just wanted to make that known. I appreciate it. Thank you. Any comments from folks still online?
hearing none. Do I hear a motion to grant uh Crepes Tea House continued permission for a six-month stretch of time from June 24th, 2025 to
Christmas Eve or December 24th, 2025? um to allow for one day per weekend operations of outdoor cooking equipment. Apena so moved. Second. A roll call
vote. Jessica Thor and I. Disp. I Marcus to abstain. Okay. Three. It's enough in this case. So we will have that ready for the next meeting in the interim. Consider it permitted.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Now you may Hey, you did a great job. You don't talk half as much as I Is he still awake?
Getting mud slung at him. He's just sitting there trying to be helpful. All right, it is 9:30 or so. So, it's getting back to old times. We're getting back to regular times. Yes. So yeah, I'm going to go back to the I think we have already
separated the two signs. We just one sign valid training. So we do Dollar General. Do we have anything? There's nobody here for them. Is that correct? All right. Did you share I think they they
requested if you guys could um recommend approval for their their wall sign. Um, do you have that to pull up for everybody since Let me see if I can find that. Obviously, they're still trying to figure out um which ground sign that
they're going to use, but let me see if I can find the sign. Yeah, you sent out I think two or three ground signs maybe. Yeah, they were supposed to choose between um I gave them recommendations
as to what I thought would be the be better of the choices. Um but again, that's up to the board whether you guys want to move forward. The black one looked nicer, I guess. I mean, I was impressed with the feedback the planning board
gave when they came first. And, you know, you really got them to rethink what they needed for a sign. They didn't need something 35 ft in the air. Oh my god. Or whatever. You don't need to pike. So, it's definitely getting better. I'm
just wondering, you know, they had these arching lights and I was wondering if that was mimicking what was going to be on the facade uh of the wall building. I don't know. They seemed a little large, but uh the
black the black act, you know, seemed better than the other one, which was I think a white fern. So, I like that. So, what we are pulling up is the original.
Um, so this is sign here. I don't know if they showed it on the on the actual building. They did, but this was it. And it's indicated to be a backlit, right? And that's on the building. On the face
of the building. Excuse me, John. Are you there? Of course, I'm here. listening to Steve Salvini's every word. Anyways, yeah, can you speak to whether this is back lit or how it's uh lighted? Sure thing. Let's uh roll up to the
previous uh page that shows the enlargement, but uh there's a little bit of language in that top elevation um in that call out. I think it's just talking about the raceway being painted, but that also shows the gooseeneck lights
shining down on the um on the wall signage. I think that's what they have over in Feeding Hills. They have the gooseeneck uh lights. Lights standard maybe.
them. Yeah, they're keeping it. Oh, yeah. They're keeping it in line with the others. All right. So, we don't necessarily then have a problem with the wall signage as it is with Goose Next, right? Okay. So, that that's fine. Um,
can we see the most recent I wouldn't even call them proposals. I'll call them pictures. Well, I think they took Yeah, they took pictures of other locations where they're at signs gave them nice
which could be anywhere. Correct. So, I'll show you the one that they originally proposed and we can see the the massing of the escape community. So after our first communications with them when we told
them that the 10 foot whatever how tall pole they came back with an 8 foot tall brick wall brick color doesn't match the brick of the building just doesn't exactly lend
itself to the unique charm that we were looking for. So yeah. So with LED lighting over the side. Oh, that's right. With an LED light bar. That's our So um we asked them to revise their plan or their sign. So they came back with
another sign. Let me pull that up just looks like David. All right. Okay. So, this is uh their second and third iterations. So, um so they have this black sign with gooseeneck lighting.
Um and my recommendations, you know, I preferred Well, let me go to the the next sign as well, so you can kind of differentiate. So, they also have this sign here. Um, I requested if they did a black sign because I in my opinion if I felt as
though the black would uh sort of disappear. And then also I asked them if they could do uplighting as opposed to the um the gooseeneck. I felt like it was just a lot going on on top of the sign. It's a bit much. So probably would add to
sighteline issues as well. just um so yeah so I think all of us would agree that we would request a actual design element drawing not just
pictures of um something I agree with your estimation that the black certainly kind of blend blends in a bit more but I also think that that would be less of a concern if both options
presented weren't simple squared metal holes that were there. Um, up and down College Highway there are numerous signs that are white that have wooden New England structural elements. Um, a
combination of brick and wood, stone and wood. Um, that could, you know, this height lit from the bottom as requested as part of our design guidelines. Um, and color option is dependent on the
material, but it the material should also not be the metal that is presented in either of these. Um, from our design guidelines, we're looking for high quality craftsmanship and natural materials, wooden uh, and plastic,
vinyl, metal, and glass are not appropriate and should be discouraged. And we want spotlights screened from view. So uplit, but then also with a planting plan to show this is what it's actually going to look like. It's elevated on a mound of mulch. There's
this planting, this planting, this planting. This is the uplift. Um I think we let it go with the acing of the material. This is just a typical plastic and it's their
uh colors, the black and the yellow. Um, you know, I think, you know, we're not pushing for wooden roat till signage that we've got to maintain every year. I think there can be a compromise found if you get those replaces, right? It should
be black. Well, if you're going to like you're going to have white, blue, yellow, black, that's going to be a lot of room. Yeah. I mean, a beautiful white wooden sign with Dollar General. Yeah. Smoothed in and then picked. I mean, that would be beautiful, too. Yeah. So, just
I we're not here to design for them, but I would I gladly give them our feedback. I think that we have How about the border color is that that's more of a greenish like blue the one there and the other one is like a blue.
I don't know if there's anything else that really is. I mean, I I think more compatible with the colors on the building. I don't know what the Yeah, the color on the building is supposed to be a They're supposed to be creamy browns. Um, so I mean, and again, with a proper sign
permit application, we should have colored identified. So want clarification on any background moves and and not just a picture of what they're suggesting but what they're actually proposing we will
I'm not sure any particular like corporate colors but yeah if you want to direct them to the wording of our design guidelines we can certainly do that. Um but yeah this is our second or third feedback so
hopefully they'll have enough for the next time. Um the subdivision plot plan we are waiting on some information that right so John can speak to that he also sent me an email so let me see if I can this is the greens of southwick east
subdivision lot 12 silver brass lane and lot 26 12 rail Madame Chair, I'll dive right in with the narrative if uh that's all right. Mr. Goddard. Hello. So, uh the Greens
West subdivision contains a condition in the decision uh that requires planning board review of plot plans as they are prepared. So in conformance with that requirement uh and observing building department submitts uh I and now Alvin
try to bring these uh to your attention for acknowledgement. Um there are few I'm going to say performance standards noted in that condition but uh essentially looking at the program uh for each site driveway access uh any infiltration where it's
required it's not required for this project. Um so uh excuse me septic systems, building footprints and conformance to setbacks um as depicted. So this is being rather a procedural review but uh just bringing it to your
attention per the decision. Right. So the one we're looking at is lot 26 for Tall Pines Trail. And this one was cleared via your review. Yes indeed. Okay. And then we also have
lot 12 for Silvergrass Lane. That correct? Did you send that to me, John? H Let's see which one did I So grass. I didn't, but I'm going to send it right now.
While we're waiting for that to be sent over, um, do I hear a motion to approve the plot plan for lot 26 for Tall Pines Trail? Speed second. Roll call vote. Jessica Thor and
I. D Iel abstain. Do we have any late submitts? We do. Just one. Okay. list, right? Get that together. There's only a couple
items on each list. Requirements in Massachusetts. Where are we? So, feeding Hills Road, Route 57. Essentially, they're not changing anything with the frontage. They are only um changing uh moving the lot lines
in in the rear of the property. They're moving it uh 25 feet over closer to the the barn here. And this leaves enough lot area for both. Yes. So it's it still meets uh
zoning or the dimensional requirements. So what is this indication here? They're joining this piece to here. They're just moving the lot line over this way or this? Yeah, I'm sorry. This way. This? Yeah, that seems reasonable. So, was the barn
going to be set back enough from the new Actually, no. I'm sorry. They're moving it the opposite way. I'm sorry. They're moving it away from the barn. Apologies. So, that's better than So, the barn is easily then set back. Okay.
Yeah, that's what I thought with that mark. They're putting this piece in with this. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That includes parcel a just to realign. So three people won't
get a new fire plan and just adjust their front and then the chain. They just change the acreage. to listen. They lost the for eight. They lost this part and we're now.
All right. Are there any um further questions or comments from board members? And do I hear a motion to endorse the ANR for the lot line change for numbers 243 and 245 Feding Hills Road? Dave Spina moved. Da second. Roll call vote.
Jessica Thornton. I mean I DBA I Chase I Marcus Phelps I good afterwards. We'll all have to sign that. So I did get the um email here from John. Get the email from John. So
pop that up on the screen. Okay. So, this is lot 12. John, is the uh all the information good for this one as well? Yeah, we're all set. This subdivision is convenient that they uh work with the original permitting consultant for these septic
and grading plans. Excellent. Wonderful. They were doing a good job. All right. Any questions or comments from board members? No. All right. Then do I hear a motion to approve the plot plan for lot number 12 on Silverg Grass Lane? Dave Spina. So moved. Diane Jasper. Second.
Roll call vote. Jessica B for I. Dina I. Diane Jesper. I Jason I. Marcus Phelps abstain. All right. Then the next on the agenda is the coordination with the town of
Granville's building inspector. So I'll reach out to him. I obviously I have some matters I got to reach out to him anyway. So I was trying to see if he can come to the next meeting July 22nd. Okay, perfect. Good. Good. We had no meeting minutes to review and
approve. Um next is planning board member and staff member comments. go first the for the next meeting. Uh Alan, excuse me, Alvin and I will work together uh to draft up a calendar for
the next year for our meetings. Um if you could please email the two of us any dates of concern for you. Um typically we, you know, we're not going to be here the Tuesday of voting. We're not going
to be here the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Um, usually we try to avoid the Tuesday after a day, you know what I mean? So, but we also have to schedule ourselves usually on a bi-weekly basis to provide for business to occur. So, if you have a planned
vacation where you know you're going to be out of the country for a month, let me know. Um, yeah. Um, anything else you have planning member comments? Um the master planation committee met a week
ago and there we decided hey can we at least get prioritization of the beautifification committee action items. Um that's oh my god we're meeting again at toward the end of July. Okay.
Anything else? Just thank you for your patience with me tonight as I was a wave. We always have patients who are loving and adoring public. All right. Uh, hearing nothing else, I would entertain a motion to close
meeting. Dave Spina will make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Okay. Here we go. Do I hear a second? Second. All right. We will reject the roll call and just do a voice of I I
welcome me back. Yes, please. Listen, it's been a long while since we've had a threehour meeting is now ajourned. Thank you for John for popping in and uh we'll see you next time. Mink.