Welcome everybody. This is the joint meeting of the board of assessors school committee and the southwork select board. This is an inerson and remote meeting. All meetings are recorded and if anyone else is please let us know. So
it is 6:01 p.m. and we will start with attendance. Diane Gail, Naen Signoni, Doug Mowglin, Ross Anderson, and then we will go into the pledge of allegiance. And Liz, would you like to start us off?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. and then we'll go into public comment.
If there's anyone in the room who has public comment, anything not on the agenda, please raise your hand. None. Anybody online? None. Thank you. Okay. Board of Assessors, you like to come up,
sir? We have John Kane, chairman of the board of assessors. Good evening. Thank you. Uh we were asked to come with our recommendation for the new director of assessment. Uh we just took a vote and we approved the appointment of Mr.
Randall Austin as a recommendation to the select board. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for doing all that vetting and taking the time to do that. No problem. Appreciate it. Thank you. Um, I think we want to vote to accept that
recommendation and looking for a motion to appoint Randall Austin for the town assessor position. Make a motion to accept. Second. Roll call vote. Dian Gail I.
Doug Mglin. Yes. Russ Anderson. Yes. Okay. Thank you so much. All right, then we have a uh I guess that should end the joint. Yeah, actually they didn't have a quorum, so I don't think it was really a meeting, but
it was a recommendation. The other two assessors had to leave, but we did take a vote beforehand, so they had a forum vote. Totally good. But for the purpose, your meeting didn't extend to here, so it's all good. Okay. Everything's great. And
Mr. I believe the gentleman's in the audience if he wanted to. He's right there. The gentleman with the tie. There he is right there. All right. Well, you just heard we
appointed you to this position. Yes. We appreciate it very much. Also, and of course, that is subject to all pre-employment. Yeah. We're working on that. That sounds perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome.
All right. And then uh joint meeting with the school committee. We have some school committee members here. Um did you want to come up? Yep. I know that we got four members from Sunswicker
here. And as we understand it, we have one applicant who has some experience. We have one applicant. Um we opened up the uh the open position. Yes, Doug. We should probably just do introductions because a couple of new members. We have a couple new members.
You want to introduce you? You want to start? Jen Burke Holder, Melissa Moresy, and Brian Harker. So, we've got two new members. Um, Jen and Melissa have uh we had our first meeting last week at our retreat. Um, so
this will be their first official vote. So, we're going to get this done. But, yeah, we opened up we had resignation. Erica Emlman, um, who served for gosh, four or five years, um, put in a resignation. we opened up the position. We had one applicant that
submitted their uh their application in a timely manner and that was Mr. Fox. Um now, normally when we do this, we have a standard set of eight questions that we have the applicant sort of answer and we go over and review. I don't know whether this is appropriate, but I'm going to
put ask that we might want to consider putting a motion to uh wave that since Mr. Fox just came off of a two-year appointment in the position. Um, I think it would be a complete redundant waste of time to have him answer those questions. So, if you guys are okay with
I don't know how we do that, but I think we might just want to move forward to a void of a vote of appointment. Motion to wave the questions. I think we should grill them. No, we've been through this in of experience.
I graduated with him. You don't want to Wait a minute. If we're going to have a different question, I mean the standard question I say we just come up with all new questions. See you know that I'd be open to that but the standard question given that there's one applicant and the gentleman has a long storyried history
in the town and just came off this exact position just moving one seat over I guess technically but I would certainly make that motion to wave if if we even need to make a motion to wave the questions. Second I sounds good. So yes,
from our end, are we okay, everybody? I'm fine with that. Are we okay with that, guys? Yes. All right. So 70 said yes, we move forward. Um but yeah, I mean Russ filled that two-year role for us and did a absolutely exemplary job. Um we've got two new members here from Sus. We have a
third new member that just started last the end of last year um to fill in um Ted Lock's position. So we've already got three new members this year on the school committee. um that the position that Russ is we're looking to appoint him to is going to be up that position
is going to be up for reelection next May. Um so we'll probably have another new member at the end of that. Um but yeah, at this point, I mean, I don't know officially how we want to do that, but I certainly would put forth a motion to appoint Russ
position that we have on the school committee. Second, somebody does. That'll work. Okay. You're not doing this under duress. Explain duress.
See, that wasn't one of the eight questions. That was a followup. Yeah. All right. So, there was a second uh I sounds good. Let's vote. Doug Moin, yes. Russ Anderson, yes.
Ryan Corrupt, yes. Melissa Morris, yes. Jen Bolder, yes. And Rob Stevenson, yes. So unanimous. We got We're back to five. There you go. So, sounds good everybody. See, look at that. We should save you some time. Mr. Fox, welcome back.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good. All right. All right. There you go. Thank you very much, everybody. Have a great evening. or not. All right. Then we have a little appointment shuffle. We are going to
discuss appointing Charles Darling as the assistant director to Southic Emergency Management Agency for the term 82525 to 63026 concurrent with his resignation from
radio officer. Correct. That is correct. Okay. I would like you want to come up, Mr. Darling. Come up. Sure. Oh, absolutely. Welcome. Good evening.
Well, I would like to respectfully request that board to appoint Mr. Charles Darling is deputy director of emergency management. Uh he's commonly known as Chuck. He's a very reliable guy. He's my go-to guy. Always turns out. Um
in a former life before he moved to Southwick, he was director of emergency management in Belchuretown. I think he's an excellent candidate and uh has my full support and I would like to request you to appoint him, please. And for the record, you are
Ian White, Director of Emergency Management. Thank you. I did not know that you were the director in Beluretown. Yes. Very good. I had many positions and assistant under Charlie, too. Yes. Correct. Yeah.
Okay. And is that concurrent with resignation as radio officer? That's great. We'll vacate the radio offic position. I might appoint someone if he shows promise later in the year. Okay. All right. Any questions? Need a motion.
If no further questions, sure. Sure. I'll make a motion to appoint Chuck, assistant assistant director, emergency management. Gladly second. Roll call vote. Dian Gale. I Doug Mglin. Yes. Russ Anderson. Yes. Okay. Done. That was easy. There you go. Yes.
And you already got that shirt. Yeah. Yeah. I'm about to Thank you, Russ. Thank you very much. Thank you. Only one very much. All right. And then we have a
public hearing for a dog hearing. Uh there's no reading. There's just a motion to open the hearing. So all moved. Second. Second. Roll call vote Diane Gal. I
Doug Mglin. Yes. Russ Anderson. Yes. Okay. Um do we have a notification letter? Is that in my package? Second forward. Okay. The
animal control officer Liz Anne Bennett is requesting a dangerous dog hearing due to an ongo This is what I'm reading, right? Yes. due to an ongoing issue on Coyote Glenn in involving a dog from five Coyote Glenn the Matsik residence. The
dates of the issues are as follows. 121919 written warning. Should I read this entirely or the summary of dates? What do you all think? Acco presents.
Okay. You want to come up and do the rest of that? Okay. Animal control officer Lizzian Bennett regarding the metuk issue. Um what I will do is give a brief
description and outcome. Um 121919 Mr. and Mrs. Metsuk were advised that their dogs were not allowed to um run through the neighborhood defecating on
neighbors properties and they were given the copies of the bylaws for leashing leash licensing and cleaning up. That was considered a written warning to Zer. On
320, there was a complaint over roaming. Um, Shepherd versus a 13-year-old Shih Tzu down at 10 Coyote Glenn. Owner Vera says, "The German Shepherd belongs to a relative and denied the attack, denied
um would not give me the name of the relative. As it turned out, apparently it was an aunt who um gave the puppy to them to take care of. She um said she was out playing with the
German Shepherd throwing a ball and then apparently the German Shepherd was suddenly on a leash. Um saw the other dog, ran after the other dog and attacked it. Um she said I said, "You got to keep your dog under your
control." And she made the comment that this is a free country. She could do what she would. Um 320. Okay. So 1219 2019 320 2020. Um we had a few
um issues. So 2020. Hang on one second. I think we have to swear you in as well. Oh, sorry. So, um, do you swear that the testimony that you are about to give in this matter is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth? I do. Okay. Sorry. That's okay. Um, so the 320 2020 was a uh $75 fee for dog at large roaming.
23 2020. This was we're back in 2020. 2020. Um, yeah. 320 2020. I do have a 32023, too. Yeah, you do. Yes, I do. So, uh, the one on 2020, there was a $75 fine. This one and
323 2020 for unlicensed and 421 2020 for unlicensed um were turned over for um enforcement action by the court. I do not know what the outcome was that. So, we had a $75
fine that was not paid on that. We also had a $45 fine that was not paid and a $45 fine that was not paid. Those are those three. Um 320 2023. The complaint came from a neighbor
um seven coyote Glenn. Uh daughter was being chased by the German Shepherd. Let me see if I can back up. So I have a few notes that I made. All right. On 320 2023, German Shepherd. So officer Bridges was
one of the responding officers. Noted that the German Shepherd was found wandering outside of the residence on of number five and on the property of number seven. Three able-bodied construction workers were also observed standing behind their vehicles as they were also nervous from the dog's
actions. After the owner of the dog, Arthur Matsuk, arrived home and secured the dog. The information was obtained. The reporting party reported that he and his family are in constant fear from the neighbor's dog as it regularly escapes from the yard and is aggressive towards his family. It is also noted that the
dog did not respond to the owner's command and had to be physically restrained and brought back to the residence. In speaking with Officer Burke, he stated that ne neither he nor officer Bridges would exit their vehicles until a dog had been secured as it was acting in an aggressive manner.
Officer Burke stated that he was advised during a conversation with Miss Matock Matsuk that the dog is trained to let itself out into the yard so it won't go to the bathroom in the house. A short time later, Mr. Merson came into the animal control facility. Mr. version
showed me a video of the event where in the dog clearly came across the driveway and displayed aggressive behavior, barking and posturing towards his daughter who had to go into the back into the house for his safety. Merson stated this is an ongoing issue. This dog has not only been aggressive to his
family but also to a new family who moved in down the street. Merson stated that he witnessed the husband, wife, and child in a carriage attempting to walk down the roadway. Merson stated that the dog charged at the family and that the husband had to fend the dog off while
the guy while the wife got the child back to her home. The video showed the dog going after Meren's daughter who retreated back into the Merin home. I then contacted Arthur Matsuk by phone to discuss the incident. Arthur Matik Matsuk stated there had been a small
hole in the fencing had been patched up, but the dog must have reopened it. He felt that the neighbors anxiety triggered the event. He said he's seen his neighbor's wife, Mrs. Merson, standing in her backyard, staring into the Matic yard and feels that she is quote unquote creeping on us. Matsuk
stated that he would quote wouldn't put it past her to let the dog out and that she, Men, harasses us and calls us every time the dog barks. Matuk stated he felt the complaint was fabricated and that it was an anxietydriven complaint. Matson had stated that yes, his dog was out,
but that the dog was not aggressive. on that one. Um, we were going for the dangerous dog hearing and Mr. Merson pulled back because he felt pretty much threatened.
So, he withdrew his complaint. Um, and that the So, on the previous ones, Vera was the owner. Now, Arthur is the owner. um back on 323
320 320 um Vera is now again the owner so she was issued the $45 fine $42120 Vera was the owner so she was issued unlicensed dog unlicensed
um now 8:15 okay 8:15 2020 complainant re regarding German shepherd attacking a neighbor's dog at 7 Coyote Glenn. Um on this one in a phone conversation, the first owner,
Miss Merson, stated that her dog, a Cocker Spaniel, um so Miss Merren, was at Seven Coyote Glenn. She stated that her dog, a Cocker Spaniel, was attacked by a neighbor's German Shepherd while in her driveway at
seven Coyote Glenn. The owner of the dog, Vera Matsuk, a five coyote clan, came over and had to physically get her dog to release its hold on Merson's dog. Merson stated that her neighbor is not nice and she seemed hesitant about making an issue of the event, but did
say that she's afraid of the Matith's dog and has concerns over the safety of her dog and of the children that come over to play. Merson stated that Matzuk allows this dog to roam on a regular basis and that it has caused issues with other dogs in the neighborhood.
Ver Matsuck said the dog was just playing. Um, I contacted Andre Matsuk and he said there's a problem getting the rabies vaccination for the dog and I asked if the German Shepherd was currently vaccinated. He said no. I asked if the
other dog at the home, a Cavalere or King Charles Spaniel, is vaccinated. He said I don't think so. So, it was not. Neither doctor vaccinated during this event. Um $180 fine was issued for to Vera for two unlicensed unvaccinated
and a $225 fine was issued for dangerous dog and dog at large. On let's see 10:20 let's see 107 2022 a written warning was issued to Arthur
for dog at large an unlicensed dog on 102 2022 unlicensed dogs for Andre um that was a written warning on 72020
23 we had a dog. Um, someone was charged. I met with the main complaintant, Caitlyn Hackett, currently residing against 77 Coyote Glenn. Hacket stated that she had been walking
her dog, a golden doodle, and upon returning to the residence, she and her dog were charged by a German Shepherd from next door known as Zara. Uh, Hackett stated that the mother from Seven Coyote Glenn, Natalia Merson, came out and scared the dog back into the
yard. Merson then returned to her own yard, at which time the male owner of the dog came out and came into Meren's yard and started yelling at Merson in Russian, swearing at her and causing an issue. Packet stated that the male owner of the dog was Timothy Matsuk of Five
Coyote Glenn. I spoke with Timothy Matsuk who repeatedly stated he is out with his dog and the neighbors seemed to have an issue with him. Matsuk refer referenced a video taken by the neighbors and advised him yes. The video shows Zarah coming off Matsuk's property
and charging a female from next door. Matsuk continued to blame the neighbors for having issue with him over the dog and refused to accept responsibility for his dog's actions. Matzik was advised that should further complaints be received, he would be facing stronger action and may be required to appear
before the select board should the issue again occur. That one and the next one from 87203, the total charges were dog at large $75 and dog at large times two for $200.
Uh we went ended up going to court and Mr. Matic was found guilty and was required to pay the fines. Um, let's see. On 882023, right? So, that went to court that 8823,
two dogs across the road at number six, the Lutengar's residence. She called and said there's uh two dogs um on her property at her house. One of the dogs, the German Shepherd was acting in an aggressive manner towards the the
calling party which was uh Lutenggers. Um I contacted Timothy Matsuk as the dogs matched Matsuk's dogs and speaking with Matsuk he said I forgot to close the dog the door and he was advised to get the dogs. I later re
received a phone call from Jill Lutenegger who reported that Matza came and got the dogs and as he was returning to his residence kicked and hit one of the dogs. Lutengger said that she had the incident reported on her phone. Um we did look at that. We did view it and
it didn't quite meet the standard of a cruelty. There was no yelping. There was no screaming. You know the dog was not in obvious pain from being kicked. Kicked at yes. kicked no. So that didn't it didn't uh end up going further than
that. 1016 2023 we had the um dogs from the Matsuk resident in the rear yard of six Coyote Glenn. At that point we had it on tape, we had it on video. Two counts dogs at large up to $400.
On 11:11623, we had the Cavalier, now at 6 Coyote, um trying to get into the house. Um that ended up with a $200 dog at large charge.
Um let's see, 7725, which is what resulted and 7825. So 7725 is what resulted in this um this case me coming here. And if you want I can read the entire report if
you would like. That's what this report is that we that's what the case number 236 25-236 that would be in this particular case. This is again
and I can preface I can just you know sum it up if you would like but we've been here for a bit already. or do you want me to read the whole thing? I think you can read it. I think I can sum it up for the So again, we have another case of um
the victim said she was in her her boyfriend's backyard in a gated area at 7 Coyote Glenn. And the dog from five Cody Coyote Glenn, the German Shepherd, had been barking at her through the fence. She said she came out and closed the gate behind her. At that point, she
saw the dog, the German Shepherd, had gotten out of the Matuk's yard and was currently growling and barking at her. She managed to get up to the front porch and the dog was still coming at her. A neighbor
drove up onto almost onto the front porch, got her in the car and drove off. So, at that point, she witnessed Oh, she drove up. Okay, that's on that one. Um both O'Neal the victim and Karopacov stated that Verrett Matsuk of
Coyote five coyote Glenn drove up to the home, put the dog inside uh the Matsuk house and then left. Um Southbook Dispatch Center received a phone call from Timothy Matsuk, father of the owner of the dog, and he stated that he
believes the neighbors wait until the Matsucks leave and then open the gate, letting the dog out. Just a side note, if I knew a dog was going to attack me, I don't think I'd open a gate to let it out. Um, in checking town records, the now registered owner of the dog was
identified as Arthur Matsuk. Gen was not registered at that point. Um, I made contact with Arthur who stated that yes, the German Shepherd and the other dog at the home are his. He said he was out, but that he was not trying to bite anyone and the neighbors lie in attempt
to get them. The mats are in trouble. Um, Arthur Matsuk stated the accusations have been made in the past. He's requested the camera footage from the neighbors, but that he's been refused access. He is not, as far as I know. Um, you can't just walk up and say, "Give me
your camera. Give me your camera footage." It's not going to happen. Um, so he was we went into all of the see. So we ended up with the dangerous dog hearing. So this is dog at large
$200. Unlicensed dog uh $50. So that was a $250 fine. Five coyote glenn on 78 2025. Uh another unlicensed dog for the Cavalier King Charles Span. So total
unpaid $900 from 1016 2023 through 78 2025. That's $900 that have not been paid sent to pursue back in 2020 2023.
Those fines totaled $570. I understand they finally did have the dog licensed last Friday. um but nothing before then um I am requesting that
pursuant to all of these complaints um I have noted that the ownership of the dogs has changed depending on the situation depending on the person depending on the this that and everything else however I feel bad for the dogs they keep changing owners um
it's a situation that is being ignored by the matsuks they feel that people are letting their dogs out. Again, I don't know anybody that would let a dog out that is um knowingly going to go after them. Um the dog has attacked a
13-year-old Shih Tzu down the road. The dog has gone after people crossing the road all the time and there's no accountability for this. And it's time that we um I am requesting that the board make the Matuk
accountable. Doesn't matter who owns these dogs. I don't care if it's Vera, Ant, or um or any of the other I sorry I'm missing names. Um it's all in the same family, the entire family. It needs to be held responsible for these dogs.
It's it's a situation where it's no longer tolerable. People are afraid to walk down the street. And today's complaint is a dangerous dog. Danger dangerous dog. We keep having nuisance dangerous. Dangerous dog. This dog keeps going after people. So, and other dogs.
And other dogs. And other dogs. So, this is dangerous dog. This dog will click what we're complaining. Yeah. So, at law Mhm. I guess we have to ask and we when we get to the
defendant, I guess, is uh at law, who owns a dog? If the dog is registered to an address is a singular person or is it to Right now, it's registered to Arthur. But if we go back through the past history, we've had ownership claimed by
Vera, Arthur, Andre, Timothy, um, everybody, all of them of five patio have have claimed ownership of these dogs. And it's the same dogs. Same two dogs from 2019. 2019 all the way through now. It's the
same. This dog hearing is about Zara. Zara is the same dog from 2019 all the way through. It was now five years, five and a half, right? Something like that. So, I don't know who you want to hold
accountable for it, but the license right now is under Arthur. The homeowner is Timothy and Vera. Don't know. Andre is Arthur's brother.
So, again, sorry. And who just licensed the dog? Arthur. Arthur just licensed him. He had them licensed the last time I think in 2023, but I'm not sure. We missed a year I think. Okay. So, and when I went to district court, that was
for dangerous dog as well or for nuisance? That went when we went to court it was that he wanted to um um what do you call it? Fight the tickets. He wanted to fight Yes. He wanted to fight the tickets. He wanted to fight
the tickets. Those tickets were Hold on. That one was for Dog at large. Um, Dog at Large Times Two. Um, yeah, those were for both Dog at large. And like I said,
he wanted to fight the tickets and the judge told him, "Nope, you are going found guilty for both of these and you are to lock your gate." because he was again back then saying that um the neighbors were letting the gate dog out. But again in one of the reports that I
did, Mr. Matsuk said that the dog's trained to know how to open the gate. So the judge said fine, lock the gate. Make sure the dog doesn't get out. Do something to lock the gate. Can be as easy as a a carabiner
um clip. It can be as serious as a as an actual law. Currently, we still having dog at large issues. Anything else at the moment? No. Is there any any other
complaintants here? Sir, my name is Alex Bro. I'm currently resigned at 73. Okay. And a resident. Okay. I need to swear you in. I need to swear you in. Is the testimony that
you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Okay. Thank you. And what is it you'd like to do? Do you want to you come on up? I've been a resident 80 since 2009. Moved to seven KV within the
last four to six months. Um, one of the parties that was involved was my girlfriend Chelsea that was chased by the dog. Um, what you haven't you haven't had a report of yet and it's in police record was I came home at one point parked in
front of their house which is on property. The dog ran out. The owner came out which is her husband uh and said you can't park here. And I said, "Well, this is Tom property and if you have an issue with me parking here,
call the authorities and I will move." And he said, "I'm not a rat like you and threaten me physically." At which point I called the cops and the cops showed up. They had to sit down and talk with him. I told him, "This is not how we behave. That's not how adults behave. We have laws and rules and
regulations, and if most of your neighbor is afraid of your animal, you should probably control your animal." But I'm at this point I'm not sure who's more aggressive. Is that Vernon Sheep or the owner? I have heard comments to that effect that people are not able to walk on that
side of the road without getting yelled at by he's aggressive Matuk to get off his property. We all pay taxes, right? And anything else you want to add? Well, I want to make sure that I want to come
home and be safe walking up my driveway. I mean, I can handle myself, but my sister, my nieces, my girlfriend, that's a whole different story. Now, your girlfriend wasn't She She's the one that climbed up, pull up the front lawn, right? Do you want to come up and say?
Okay. She was the one that in my last report that was up on the front porch. Hi, I'm Chelsea O'Neal. Okay. And your address? 200 Crayola of West Springfield. Okay. Is the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth? Yes. What would you like to tell them? Um, so I was in the backyard. I was coming up to the front yard. Um, I made eye contact with the dog behind the fence that was barking at me. When I opened the fence door is when the dog
came into his house into the driveway and was circling me and had its teeth out and barking and growling. Um, I have a one-year-old son. Thank God he wasn't with me and I ran up to the front of the house in like the cut of the the
doorway. Um, I called the police and that's when Ireina came literally drove up all the way up to the front of the like where the door was and picked me up. Um, I'm honestly very nervous to be walking by their house with my son.
I'm confused about the fence. You have a fence. We have a fence and they have a fence. Yes. Two. There's two different fence. So, your fence is the white vinyl. That's my sister's fence. I'm I'm I'm living my sister, right? So, that number seven is the white
vinyl. Number five is the black chain link. Yes. Chain link. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, somehow that dog the fence, but their garage door is always open, so I don't know how it's Does he go through the garage? Okay. Sit there. Survey the dog. I saw it in the backyard when I opened
the fence to go to the driveway to the front of the yard. It was out there at that point. But more disturbing is the aggression of the owner and the vulgarity. We're here for a dog hearing though, right? We can address the dogs now. But
like we talked about before, if there's an issue with the person, that's when you call 911 and you have somebody come out at that. Yeah. Okay. So, I'm sorry. Once again, you came through your front gate into your open front dog yard. That dog came
through the front. Yes. But it wasn't in its own yard. Okay. Behind the fence. You saw it in the back. When you came out the front, it was there. Yes. Okay. Just making sure I understood that progress. Okay. Anything else you want to add?
Okay. Okay. Was there someone else? Yes, ma'am. Okay. I'm sorry. Your name again? Ireina. Okay. Is the testimony that you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Yes. Okay. Would you like to tell us? I live on um G Dun next to my sister's house. We constantly walk and I have two daughters and we also have a tiny dog. We are in fear of walking our dog to my sister's house. We have to carry her.
And my daughters are 12 and 14 and they're constantly planning how they're going to be rescuing their puppy if the German Shepherd attacks. Today I drove to pick up my sister to come here and the German Shepherd is outside not on a
leash and I had to drive in and like sneak in the front of that. That's a dated video, right? This is today in the front of that right before I picked up my sister. Okay. This kid was with the dog. Was Yes.
Dog did not go on anyone's side. I was with the dog today. You'll have You'll have a chance. Okay. Anything else? Uh, I was the person who rescued her. Okay. I had to drive my car onto my sister's
front lawn where the septic is. I know I'm not supposed to go there, but I had to rescue her and drove off it. And constant fear of going through my sister's house when I live walking distance of 3 minutes for eight years.
That's too much. Okay. Anyone else for this side of the discussion? Okay, take your seats, please. Favor.
Um, is there any other PD or are you giving all the PD on that end of it? Yes. Okay. Okay. All right. Is there anybody here on the dog owner side who would like to speak?
Hi. You are Martin. Full name Matson. Mr. Matsuk. Is the testimony that you're about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? It is. I'm sorry.
And are you going to give testimony? Yeah. The testimony that you're about to give, is it the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Okay. Would you like to tell us? So, just to start off, the dog's never bit anyone ever. Never bit a dog, never bit a person. You know, I get it. You see a
German Shepherd, you might be acting anxious. Say the dog's acting aggressive. It's never done that. So, they're going to go and argue like the dog's being aggressive. The dog's never bit anyone in this six years. and it's pretty consistent with the phone calls.
So, I just wanted to put that out there. Then you're saying we've made no changes to like keep the dog in. We have. We've changed the locks. We've dogproofed the house. We've dogproofed the backyard and we can't figure out how it's getting in. Then I go and I pull up my cuz usually I
park on the driveway. I kind of park beyond the house. So, I was just um with my mom and um Natasha, the one who's living at 7 um at 7 Coyote Glenn, is in her backyard in the pool area just wandering around. This is before the
call started happening. This was probably like maybe there's one call since then. And she's in the backyard walking around. Don't think of anything of it. And then I'm in the shower one time. I come out and the only two times I've heard my dog howl is when there was
a police report that someone broke into the house at 3:00 in the morning. The cops came. There's a statement with that. I heard the dog how I'm in the shower. I hear the dog howl. I open it. I look Natasha is standing inside the house. So I call my mom. I'm like, "Hey, the neighbor was in the house." So I'm going to explain this to her. And then,
you know, my mom goes like like I go and tell her. And then we start thinking like, "Do we think, you know, the neighbor is going to light the dog's house?" I've had the officer look, hey, can look at the how can the dog escape the and you were saying that the dog's trained to open up the doors. That's not true. The dog's not
That was your statement. Let's let's make the statement and not So the dog isn't trained to open the doors. Um the outside doors, she can't open it and it the the doors are very tall, so she can't get out. So, um, and one day I
just leave, I get a call that, um, the dog escaped and they're going and saying that the dog attacked the the daughter who's 20 years old. And all six of them, two officers and all four of them are hanging out in the driveway and my dog's on the lawn. If the dog wouldn't attack,
you're not going to stand 20 ft. They're they're casually standing there talking. The dog has never bit anyone. And the thing I couldn't get under control, I said, "Sorry, come here." She came here and I grabbed her. Obviously, I restrained her, right? I'm getting a call and I call her and she comes over to me. What do you want me to do? Stand
there? Yes, I restrained it. I brought her inside and I'm going to talk to the officer. He says, "What happened?" I said I said, "I don't know. I just got here." Well, I told him they have three cameras pointing at our house. Don't we want to be neighbors and resolve this? They don't want to resolve it. Hey, if
you show us how the dog escaped, you know, we can go and figure this out. We don't have to. And I I have a picture on my phone that the camera is pointed directly into our backyard. If you guys want to look at it, I have a video of it. I called the police about it's invasive. I have nieces in the backyard
and they could see everything, but they refused to show the cameras. And then there's a police report. My dad and my mom, they left. 10 minutes later, they came back because they forgot something on the house. They're in the house again.
They come home and then and my dad goes and calls the cops and he goes and contacts the Westfield District Court about it and I keep telling you about it and you're dismissing it. You're making comments, biased comments. I don't understand. I don't understand. The whole time we have to go in here like you guys are going you're going in like
making these biased comments. You're throwing you're completely disregarding it. I'm going I'm telling you something. You're going I don't know why anyone would think that. It's obviously you have an agenda. It's obviously you already have your mind made. every single time I talk to you, you have your mind made. Um, so
like I said, I started, we started calling police that she's been coming to her house. The last one before the most recent one was in 2023. That's when we installed our Ring camera. Ever since we installed our Ring camera, there's never been an issue for 2 years. So, we
installed cameras, there hasn't been an issue, the most recent one. And then obviously he has some personal beef with my dad. So he keeps attacking him and he's um you know not even here for the dog hearing. He's here to go and take shots at my dad. But he's also instigating. So my dad goes and tells
him, "Hey," and she's showing you a video. I was outside with my dog today. I was I talked to the cops. He's like, "Yeah, the dog can roam. I play golf with him in the front yard all the time. The dogs never ever cross. I'm with him. The dog listens to me. The dogs never cross. I go and chip the ball. He runs
and gets it. If I see him, I'll just have the dog go ahead. Like she has a picture, but I just called Zar here. She sat there. I dribbled the ball until she left. I went choked again. The dog never even attacked her. They're going to go and cry that the dog is going and attacking them. She's walking up the driveway. She's taking a picture. The
dog never even chases her. Unleashed. So, they're going to making these accusations. When does it become like the boy who cried wolf? It's always attacked, attacked, attacked. There's never been a um bite incident. That's all. I've been here for two years. We get the c we get the ring camera and you
don't hear anything of it. And then two months ago, Alex goes and moves in. He's calling me on the phone. What's good with your dad? My dad goes and tells him, "Hey, can you move your car up?" So, he's going and yes, obviously the first 3 ft um it's government property, but he's going and parking on the grass
right in front of the house. Again, that's not a dog issue. Well, it's becoming a dog issue. So, this is what I'm polluting to. So he asks if you can move the car up just cuz if he's outside with the dog. He doesn't want him to go and instigate it. He goes and tells him, "Hey, can you move the
car?" So like, you know, like not parked there and not try like getting a rise out of the dog, you know, like and he goes and tells him, "F you." And like that's the whole incident happened and it just goes and shows her and right after that he goes and calls me, wants to apologize about the whole incident
and I'm like, "Yeah, it's all good on our end. Good on your end." He comes back an hour later, does it again. He goes and stares down waiting for the dog. I'm with the dog at the house and he's standing there trying to get a reaction out of the dog trying to see if it would come up to him. And he's going and they're going and you know
they're going and trying to call as many times as they can to go and build a case. And it's like the dog's just outside. For example, they're showing you a picture. The dog's outside didn't do anything. They're going and ready to show you. The dogs's outside. They're going and calling. If they wanted to solve this problem, they would go and be like, "Hey, yeah, you could go
and see the camera. It escaped through there. We patched that and it's done." But they would never have offered that in this 5 years. They refuse to. They don't want to. They don't want to go. They have an agenda. They want to call as many times as possible to go and
either I don't know what their goal is to put the dogs down. How many times do I have to go and say that the the neighbors have been inside the house? It gets dismissed. Obviously, she laughs at her. you go and tell her we we put rent cameras that's hasn't been an issue for 2 years. You know, you go to the court
and she dismisses it every single time. Um, and like I said, they're going to go and say they use the word attack aggressive. The dog hangs around my one-year-old nephew, my niece. The dog, I have pictures of it. The dog hangs out with the nieces all the time. The nieces live
with us for um just this month. And like the dogs is all the German Shepherd is always around um the newborns, the babies. There's never been an issue. Obviously, we have a lot of confidence and sorrow in not being aggressive that we allowed the newborns to be with
there. It's never been an issue. There's never been some no aggression. There's never been no growling. There's never been any dog bite. And they just keep calling any chance they get. When was the infant with you? Today.
You said this month. Today. Just Just today. Yeah. Okay. I thought you said Oh, well. During the month, too. Yeah. They they stop by the house all the time. Visiting all the time. They play with the dogs all the time. Um both dogs, the Cavalere and um Zarp.
She's the sweetest dog. I take her everywhere. I take me to the park. I take her um and there's never been an incident. And it's always conveniently when the dog escapes, they're home conveniently. And it's always, you know, something to do with them. And it's
always 10 to 15 minutes after I leave, the dog somehow escaped. Or when I go and park my car up, the two times my car was up, parked in front, and I'm home, she's in her backyard or she's um inside the um inside the house.
You know, it it's like and I'm stating on the phone that it is harassment at this point because they're going and like calling any single chance they get when nothing happens. She's going to dismiss it. Um, and that's all I have to say. The dogs never attacked anyone, never been
aggressive. Oh, and then that incident. So, the one incident that they're going insane that the dog went and um attacked their um I don't know what kind of dog it is. a 13-year-old one and they're going to go and say, "Oh, that there was a bite." The only person who got bit was my mom
from their dog, which we also put in the police report, but there so and we told we told you this story. Yes, we told you this. So, and you know, so and that and it's conveniently not brought up. Um, so the dog goes to the
the um whatever dog it was, the um Kaga Span. So Zar goes and doesn't do anything. She was playing with the dog, sniffed it, and she goes starts screaming bloody murder. And like like I said, I'm not going in dismissing that
like there is fears with big dogs. I I get that. You know, you don't know the dog. Um you're going to be a little bit more on the anxious side. So she goes and starts screaming bloody murder. The dog gets scared. Zara doesn't bite anyone. you know, we she even offered to
go pay for, you know, the the vet visit. There's no bite marks. The only person who got bit was her from their dog and she didn't do a she didn't go complain about it. Like, we never go in retaliate, but there always, you know, there's always something.
And like I said, until the most recent time for 2 years, there's never been an incident. And like I said and and I just repeating this is we haven't made any anything any changes to um to like keep the dogs in. We have we changed the locks on the front door. We've changed
the locks on the back. We've um like dogp proof the house as much as you can. There's, you know, there's vents on the bottom of it where she can't even get to and we've done it and there's always like now they're saying that the dog
jumping over the fence. Show the cameras. You're going to go and argue. All you could do is resolve this. You have four cameras pointing at our house. Show the cameras how the dog escaped and you will never get an answer. Why won't we get an answer? Like, why can't you go and do that? I installed the cameras.
There hasn't been an issue. Did you have anything else to add? No. You all set? Um, I just want to see if I um said anything in the notes. I think she said I think that's basically it. Like I said, there's never never been one
incident of a but they're going to go and make it seem like the dog's attacking. Never attack one time. And in your report, there's never been a dog mark. But the wording you guys choose is attack, aggression, growling. That's also never happened. Is there any report of the dog biting?
Yes. Um, we had the one where there So, there've been two. Um, the uh German Shepherd versus the Shih Tzu. Um, this is the one I was talking about where the dog never bit. The only one who got bit was I'm sorry,
that was 8:1520. That was 320. Okay. 8:1520. Um, that was So 320 2020, right? The small dog got bit,
right? 320 2020. Yep. The German Shepherd ran down the road and bit the 13-year-old Shih Tzu in the backyard. Ran around to the backyard, bit of Shih Tzu on A15 2020.
um attack the neighbor's dog, a cocker spaniel. Um and at this point, yes, there is a um let's see, I spoke with Andre Matsuk who reported that his mother Vera was bitten
by the Merson's dog while trying to get their dog off of the Merson's dog. So they were she was trying to get Zara off Meren's cocker spaniel. So the dog got a contact, right? Um I advised them of the
quarantine regulations. He understood they submitted a rabies certificate. Um however, Andre Matsuk said there's a problem. We don't have anybody vaccinated. So the Matsuk's dogs were not even
vaccinated at that point. Yes. Um Vera was bitten. She was trying to pull her dog off of the neighbor's dog who was injured. So, it's all in the report.
Can you describe the fencing at your house? Yeah, and like I said, you guys could come today and look at the fencing. Um it's, you know, the black fence that chain link all around and then even under the deck that they can't even get into, there's um two layers of um picket
fencing that they can't go and escape all around your all around. So there's no loopholes. So this is what I'm saying. There's no loopholes and it's it's high. It's taller than me. It's a sixoot fence. They're going to say the dog's jumping over it. Um I I don't think I heard that. No,
she Oh, she was telling us before when we were just outside over there um that the dog was jumping over. Um but so you could go to the backyard. There's no way the dog can escape.
There's no way the dog, like you said. You said I said the dog's opening the doors. No, there's no way the dog's opening the outside doors to get out. It's clearly getting out the gate. It's clearly getting out. Correct. So, right. and it's clearly getting out. But like I said, since I um went and
installed the camera two years ago, the dog hasn't escaped, right? The only time it was it was escaped um was what the most recent time over here, but the dog was like I wasn't there. I don't know what happened with that. When did you put your camera in?
But it's only in the front yard. So there's no camera in the back. There's no camera. When did you put that in? Um I don't know, like a year and a half ago. Two years. um probably a year and a half after the most recent incident um 11:16 23. So after that, you know,
that's when we started catching her at the house more often and that's when we're like, "All right, well, we have to go and start putting our own cameras." Um because when I asked them, "Hey, how the dog get out?" They would refuse to go and show us. And that's the only that's a question that they will never
answer. You go and ask them, they refuse to. Are you alleging that someone is letting your dog out of its yard to have it run wild through the neighborhood? And wild's my my term. So to have the dog roam the neighborhood.
So what I was saying was that I've caught them in my property multiple times. This is three times. And one of the times we called the cops. The first time when I was um when me and her at the house, they were in our backyard. And we're just here about the dangerous dog. So I can't the rest of it I guess is
okay. Yes. So I'm saying that yes every time we go and leave the dogs magically out and they refuse to go and even show I don't know how the dog got out how and then one of the times where my dad went and called. They're in our house the dogs out and they're in our
house and they ran back and like we were never in your house. So my dad went and called the police like hey they literally just let the dog out. I went I left 10 minutes later like they don't even leave the neighborhood. come back and they go and see him on our lawn on our property. So my dad goes and calls
the police. So that is on record. He um he went and saw them do it too. So I've done everything in my as best I can to go and make sure this dog doesn't escape. Every time I leave, we we've
made all the changes we needed to. And you know, the dog can't escape. The dog did escape on 7725. So that was not like the backyard. So that was um so that I don't know how the
dog escaped on that one. I wasn't there for that. Um but like I said, there hasn't been an incident until then. But in the backyard, I don't think the dog escaped through the backyard there. Then it escaped through the front yard in the garage. I don't know if someone left the door open. I don't know anything about that
one. I So that was the most recent one. This is why we're here. But like I don't know anything about that one. What did you want to show us? I want to show my fence. This is a fence between Min and me. Fans
and very very high cherry. I don't know how. And that is from the house to the backyard across right back to the house. Yes. How many gates? Two. That are on the side.
Correct. Are those gates locked? Yes. With closed or locked? What kind of lock? Um I don't know. Like a key lock. It's locked on the outside. Um, and the one
on against their fence, that one we have locked and the other one we have locked and we even wrapped it around just so to make sure like even if there's somehow going and like opening it with the handle like the dog, it's still locked. So, like I I told the officer, you could
come look at it, too. Like can't escape from the backyard. Have you inspected the backyard? No. No. Would you like to? It depends on this hearing. Is there a way that the dog could go
from the backyard through the garage? No. There is no way that there is an opening. No. Backyard into the garage. From the backyard to the garage. No. So if there people
any other questions you guys have or you failed to register the dog for several years. That's been recently remedied. Do you have any any explanation for any of that? I I I wasn't aware. I thought it was registered. Um it was brought to my attention. I went and registered the
dogs. Um the vaccines were not up to date. I think when you first get the rabies vaccine, it's one year. Um and then the one after that every 3 years. I didn't realize. I thought it was every 3 years you go and get the rabies shot.
Um, so I went and I I got it um taken care of when it was brought to my attention. You know, the license is annual. The license annual. Yeah. I like I said, it was brought to my attention. I licensed the dogs. There were court cases where the dog No, not court cases for the dogs not being
licensed just for them roaming. Right. Um, a lot of the un fined for no license. The fines. Yes. have been for no license for unvaccinated for dog at large. So those are repeat.
Okay. Yeah. Um and then like I said, she says like they keep changing owners. It's just it was just a family dog. So if I get a call, it says your dog. I said yes. You know, I'm not going to go and be like, "Oh, it's actually um my like brother's dog. It's it's just a family dog. I didn't know." They called
me ask is your dog? Yes. So, and then I got to register tonight. So, sorry. So, who I have that as a note to myself. So, who lives at Five Coyote Glenn? So, me, my mom, and my dad,
and it's your dog. Well, it's registered to me. Like I said, it was it's a family dog. Um, you know, the family owns it. We've had it for six years, I guess. Sure. Um, it's registered to me. Okay sir. I have five
kids, one girl and four boys. And when we have ducks for all family, not for him, not for right now it's two my sons, three my sons. It's Mary son. So you have three dogs now?
The three sons. Well, wait a minute. She need another one. Okay. Got to register that one too. Okay. So I for future reference, who's taking um responsibility for the dogs? Because I've written tickets to all of you. So it's going to be you. Okay.
Okay. You have a photo in one of your Yes. reports of the dog at someone's door. Yep. I have this one. I know pass that. This is uh
one of the neighbors. Believe this is the one where the um victim refused to pursue charges because they were intimidated. Intimidated. How? And this is from when ACO Bennett that is from
this is March of 23, right? 320. Is it 320 23 or Yeah. 320 23 report is right. Murder 320, right? Case is 97 on the front page. Yeah. 97. Okay. Yeah.
Right. That was the Merson's. Um the daughter was being charged by the shepherd. Where are they? They're in the house. No, Coyote Glenn. This is on Coyote Glenn. They're Yeah, they're at number seven. Coyote Glenn. So, your neighbor, which is a previous neighbor to these
people, right? We're going to get to We're going to get to When you say intimidated, what do you mean by the intimidated? That's just what her statement says, right? She didn't make the statement. But that certainly looks a little aggressive. Is that your dog?
That is my dog. Yeah. And that is at a neighbor's door. That is a neighbor's door. Yes. And our house, the line is right behind that white car, so it's like 20 ft. Mhm. Thank you. Um,
yeah, they had video as well. Um, but I don't have that. I don't have access to that right now. But yeah, that was pretty pretty aggressive, pretty um, intentional. Um, I don't like you mannerisms
from the dog. I'm gonna hear from some people that raised their hands in the back again. Yes, ma'am. When I see the fence, their should not
clear that let's say in fence and her deck is wide open. Is that is that the case? You have a high deck and a low and a this dog and that's their pants and has a porch behind it where she's like
halfway up the fence. That's their yard. That's their yard. I'm sitting in the club when I picked her up and pulled over and just made that video. That was June 7th. Yeah. Every show me that the deck that there's a deck behind this short
fence. See how tall she is? The the deck is this much. I try to keep you. I know, Liz. I love you. I need to keep you at your desk. Look, even Jason came. Oh, he misses this part of the job. But guess what?
That's the fence. There's a deck behind that fence. See how tall she is and how short that fence is? The dog is half the deck is halfway behind that. It's behind I So, whose yard is the dog in here? That's his yard. My sister's right here. So, but he's behind the fence.
He was running all over. I just took a video of But in their yard in his yard to part of the fence and argives to part of the fence. What do you mean? So, in other words, here's your deck.
Here's the fence. Okay. The top of the fence may be here, but this is your death. And then like can't go and jump that high. It's not digging feet. So the dog can't
your deck and the top of the fence is only about 2 feet tall. The dog will go two feet tall. If the space between your deck I think we're going to have to see it ourselves. No. Yeah. You could definitely we're going to have to because No, there's no two feet. the the
railing's this high where the deck is, but then like there's a drop off that's like six feet. So maybe maybe higher. Yeah. So we'll inspected this before we conclude here. Not but no.
Yes, ma'am. I'm the Did I I swore you went already? Right. I did that. You are. Yeah. I'm the one. It's so empathetic. Okay. My name is Natalia Min. Okay. I've been neighbors since um and I try
to Okay. The testimony that you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Okay. There you go. But what's the point to say yes if they see me lying? It's so hurtful. Do you have anything to say about the dog and your experience with the dog? I tried to be so nice to my neighbors. I
didn't and it's only start when we called the police when a got scared when the her dog bit my cocker spaniel like this and a tried to pull the dog out from the um her mouth and Vera came
that's why my kakar's pal he was in pain and she tried to pull him out from her mouth that's why Wesley bit her knee because he was in the pain her dog was it was bleeding eating and she got scared first time she called the police because of that. I said, "Please don't
call the police because we're neighbors. We're trying to be nice to each other. I don't understand dogs is okay. Once they beat my Yorkie, my little baby Yorkie on Christmas time and I I had to go to the emergency room. I
gave the bill to her. Maybe she paid the bill and she start to think more about how to be careful with her dog." No, it didn't work out. She paid the bill. Yeah, but didn't work out. The doctor You didn't have a report on it. I didn't have a report on you. Too nice. I didn't call the police.
Was this before the Cocker Spaniel or after the Cocker Spaniel? After? After. So, after myself called the police always somebody else because I don't want to be rude to my neighbor because I like her. She's a nice person. And it's it's her husband who is like
little bit okay. It's another shot like you know it's always because I have your kids little babies and I I can't walk them because and I I don't want to be mean or bad person. No,
I love dogs. I have dog myself. I love dogs. I love her dog. I love her and I don't want to be problem. Oh my lord. I do. And I never been in your yard on your house. Once there were a couple times I came to bring the mail because
sometimes mail appears in my mailbox and like a good neighbor. I bring the mail but never been in the house with a it's not comfortable live like that always in in in fear.
I don't want to like do anything bad to their dog. No, I don't know what to do. They want to see that cameras. I told them go and watch the cameras. See them because I don't know how to watch those cameras. My daughter does my husband but
they always busy. They don't want to deal with that and blah blah. I said come come watch my door is open for you. They don't want to go. Police know you will not show. I literally told the police anytime come to the come anytime. Okay. Please talk to us.
Okay. And and just let her finish. Any else I have? I don't know what to add. I just don't want no problems. I don't want to live in fear and I don't want to leave anybody else's in fear in my house. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Can I follow that that um scenario how it happens? A was there how they fight with when the dog was trying to bite and was and her was like beating the dog and the head but
something happened to my mind. I thought maybe it's going to work. I took something like this because it was next to my garage. I came I took that and I put around the shepherd like this and he opened the mouth and she took the door. That's exactly how I do it.
Yeah. But because they were like around and around and screaming and yelling and bumping and nothing didn't work out until I did this little bit nicely like okay this did it was it should
please never myself I call always somebody else because I trying to be nice so I guess my argument this whole time was like why haven't you shown the cameras like can we go see the footage can we go you know I'm trying to resolve it. Can we go and see how the um dog
came out? You're going to come here like um you know swear you tell them the truth and then saying I invited you over my house to look at the cameras. There's videos of the body cameras of me talking to the police. Can we get the footage and them saying no? She said no. Her husband Yuri
said no. And then the cops go they don't have to show you. Sure. Um so the cops going and saying they don't have to show you. And I'm just saying like so and this is already when we made a complaint where um you know they've been letting the dogs out or we've been thinking we've been
you have no cameras and you can't see that on your ring. I'm saying I'm saying that's what we're thinking right. So I corrected myself. So we were going like thinking have they been you know opening the doors? So that's when they started asking hey can we see how the dog escaped? They all refused and the cops
sided with them says they don't have to go and show you. Sure. and they don't and I agree with that. But it doesn't seem like they're trying to go and resolve this issue. They they all you have to do is go and show us, hey, here's the cameras and we can go and
figure out, oh, if the dog escaped by, you know, from here we go and patch that. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. What are your ring cameras projecting? Uh, just the front, not your back. Not my back.
So, and we could also um buy cameras and like you know install them. So, that was going to be a suggestion. Well, that well that's that's another thing that like you know like after the Ring camera um there we haven't had it um issue them recently. So, my next you
know next thing is just to go in and install the cameras ourselves in the back and just to make sure if the dog escapes you know we would know how it um escaped them. But are you are you again alleging that somebody open a gate to let this dog out
from your yard or open your house and open a door to your house? No. Is it ever left open? No. And there's a lock on that dog has escaped. Is the gate open? No.
So there's a question about how the dog gets out. So that's exactly what I brought up. You know, you see him in the house three times and you start to question you you don't lock your house when you leave your house. So um the front door we have um the keys
just there. Um and then now we like for two years now we've been locking the house. Yes, ma'am. to read the bed bill where it has a date and the statement from a doctor that the Yorkie was that on the York.
Yes. Right here. Want to read it. Okay. We stated that that dog never bit anything. Well, that was never in the thing. That never Well, she never called the police cuz my sister never called police. I mean, more than that. I mean,
it was me. It was my siblings. It was a relatives. whoever visit and get attacked by a dog. Okay. It's a bill that says the dog was attacked by another dog and and for that for that bill. Yes.
Okay. When was that? Right here. There's a date on it. 2021. 1221. Right on Christmas Eve. We were we got together to celebrate Christmas and she was an hour away with her Yorkie trying to save that Yorkie's
life. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Do you have any recommendations to resolve this? We're going to have to look at the fencing. tiger because I have a feeling the dog is
jumping over at the g at the at the uh deck. It's a possibility, but we don't know. I mean, he's saying that the the gate is never opened and then all of a sudden the dog's on the other side of the gate and the gate is still closed. So, somehow the dog got
through the gate or over the gate or somehow got out of the house or whatever. So, I'm going to have to if it's recommended, I will go look at the house and the fencing and and all of that. But my um my immediate lot is um
taking responsibility and we talked about doing electric fencing. Um so, the dog would have to have electric fencing and training inside the fencing. inside the fencing would have to be within a certain feet away from the actual physical fence.
Are you talking about a invisible fence? The ground invisible fence. If you have your fence here, you would have to take at least two feet into the fence and put the electrical fencing in there. So, you have a buffer zone of at least two feet so the dog
cannot get to that fence or the dog cannot get over the fence if it's actually jumping the fence. if it's actually jumping the fence and we have another issue completely. Um, but we'd have to see how that attaches to the house and what's the barrier to the fence because if it's still coming
through the house and out the front, right? That's not if it's off the deck, the answer would be to raise the fence 6 feet up from the base of the deck from the floor of the deck, not the ground if that appears to be a problem. Right. So, it again, it's going to have
to be um a visual. We're going to have to go take pictures and things like that and uh go from there. But yeah, my first my first thought is electric electric fencing. Um but yeah, when you leave the house, do you leave the dog in the house or in the yard? In
the house in the yard barking all day long. So cool. Your dog like crying like crazy during the night. Nobody's home when she Well, we get it. We get it. You disagree. We get it. Um,
do you let the dog live in your house or does a dog outside to protect the property? Jason lives in the house. Always home. So, we're getting two different opinions. Always outside and in the house. It's outside. It's crying.
When you're away from the home, is the dog in the house? That's is that new or has that always been the way it's been? Um, new in like at least 2 years. Um,
you know, so we would let the we would let the dog roam in the back when um, you know, we had it like all proofed so the dog would be outside um, if he needs to go to the bathroom, it could go into the pool area where he can't get out. Obviously, when this started happening,
we've been locking um that just for the past maybe two years, you've been keeping the dog to live inside. It's always been living inside. So, dogs always lived inside. If we were away and um if I had to go and like do something,
I would have the door open so they could go into the backyard if they needed to use the bathroom. So, in the last two years, and the dogs always lived inside the house. Um, in the last two years, instead of like letting them like go
outside, just wait for us to be there. Okay. Um, tell me again how you dogproofed the house. It's fenced at the backyard. It's fenced in. Um, and then we just
made sure that there was no holes and if um, you know, the two doors that it's not an easy door to go and open and a dog can't go and open that door. But I went and put a chain around it too, just
so like if you were to open it, it's still it can't go in. This is the house door. So you have a you have a chain bolt on the house door. This is the outside um the gate. Yes, those doors. So that's how it's proofed. Um and then inside we have it blocked
off so it can't get to the front door, but still the dog it's a knob. The dog can't go and open up a knob and then it's a knob and it's two locks on it. So, you can't go and open it that way. And then we got an automatic lock on the garage one. So, it goes and
automatically locks the the um garage door. So, is there a way from the garage to the backyard? So, the backyard there's Is there a way from the garage to the backyard? Is there a doorway from the garage to the backyard? Are you talking about the gated area or the entire backyard?
A doorway from the garage, correct? Building to the backyard. Yes. Yes. Okay. because you told me before there is not. So now you're saying there is a door from the garage pool area to the garage from the garage building.
This is I think this is why we need to see it because I'm still not clear with the fence around this right here is the pool area the the fence and it extends out. There's a patio and then there's a small section of the backyard. So the dog So this fenced in area where you were asking me
the fenced in area can they get to the garage and I said no and that is correct because the crumb because that's the fenced in area. Yeah. But you asking me about you asking me about the fenced area to the garage cuz we're talking about the dog being in
the fenced area and you asking if it has access to the garage which like I said it does not. The pool fenced off in a separate area than the rest of the yard. Correct. Okay. From the garage door is outside the fence. Okay. Correct. Yes. And that's the hint.
That's what I said. All right. I'll have to check that out. Yes. Go ahead. That's what it looked like that it was just around the room. Okay. You're looking at a Google map of your house. Thanks. I certainly understand when
you're out with the dog and you're tossing balls or pitching balls to the dog, the dog is there with you playing ball. The problem is when you're not there, she's roaming. When you're there, she's having fun with you
and listening to you. She's engaged with you. When you're not there, that's when dogs become trouble. So, yeah. And I guess this is why we came here and you know said that we have made actions to go and make sure like we have every single angle of the house
where the dog can escape. So there has been and you said you don't know how she is getting out and clearly she's so yes so there has been improvements where you know it says right here the dog owners have done nothing to correct the roming issues. So if it was something that had been constant, it was
made all these improvements and one incident in like the last two years, you can't go and say that nothing has been changed. We have because it came. Am I allowed to ask about the fines?
Um I think we're going to I feel like we're going to continue this until we see the fenced area and stuff. So I think we can discuss that as part of remedy when we get to that. Sure. And then I then you can get a better
number on that and make sure. Right. So far, like I said, that's all $1,400. Oh, okay. Um, is that you in agreement with that? We need to take a look at the property and the
dog's perimeters and come back. I would agree. I think. All right, Arthur. Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure I got your answer. I mean, I would make sure that that dog doesn't leave the property and I wouldn't have him out out in the front
of the house. Obviously, if unless you're home and um you know, make sure he stays on your property. We're going to come back to this. When do we meet next? I assume we I don't know if we're back to every week now. September 8th. So, when we meet next, I'm sure this will be on the agenda
for sure. So between now and September 8th, you want to keep that dog tied to your tied to your hip or tied, you know, in, you know, near your home at all times. Um, and then we've got to take a look at the
fence. I So we can talk more offline about the invisible fence. I think we all have opinions about that type of thing, but um, and I don't want to contradict you. I just I have my own opinion on it, but it it's um, I know it's me. Um, technically you can't tie it. And
what we did that we've done that before. We've asked and you know it it we've asked some the pre last dog hearing that we had we had them tie the dog out right on a run so that fence or no fence even if they were they were tied off in a
fencedin yard. Right. So kind of double triple protection because we had concerns about gates and opening of gates and scaling of fences. Huh? Acrobatic. Yeah. So, um, and I guess this is where I give my
spiel that I always give and because you this is the first time you're hearing it and probably for some of you folks is, uh, but I I did share it with our newly elected select board member. This is the worst part about being a selectman is dog hearings, right? because in almost every case and well so far I have we
haven't made any judgments here yet but in every other case that's ever been in front of the select board since I've been on for the last about decade um it's never the dog's fault 100% lies with the owner and whether the
dog is mean or vicious or whatever that's a dog protective friendly lovely But whatever, it doesn't matter. The dog is the dog. As the owner, you have to adapt the environment and adapt how you
handle the dog according to the type of dog that you have. You know, we just went through this last year um with a couple of dogs that were I don't know what you want to call them, but they were pretty close to dangerous. Right.
Finally, the owner made some changes to the property. We haven't heard I haven't heard anything since then. I think it's been okay. We've had other dogs where we've deemed dangerous and they've either left town of their own valition
or um by agreement. But I think I I just want to be clear. I don't think that I I don't know what credence to put to someone coming into your house to let a dog out that would potentially harm themselves or others around them. it it
almost doesn't make sense. But even if that's true, lock your house. Don't give someone an opportunity to come into your home and let let the dog out. If you're leaving home for a while, leave the dog inside,
right? So then this this can't happen. If you're in your yard with your dog and your dog has a propensity to chase people around, don't have the dog in the front yard. That's it's it's your dog and and you registered the dog so it's your dog. Um as far as I'm concern and I
I understand it. It's the family dog. I get it. But Arthur's registered the dog. So I'm I'm saying it's your dog because you're the one who's going to get the tickets and the complaints. Um, I I would say before our next meeting, obviously, we'll get out there and have a look at what's there and make some
common sense suggestions to you as to if anything needs to be done to make sure that this dog doesn't cause a problem for your neighbors. And and the other thing that I've always said, and we went through it with this last dog hearing as well, is anyone
in the town of Southwick should have the right to walk on the sidewalk in front of any house without running in fear of their lives. Right? If you have a dog that causes that, don't put other people in that position. That's your job as the dog owner. Okay? Um doesn't give
someone the right to come up to your porch and tan, you know, tease your dog. That's not what I'm proposing. But if someone walks by your house with a dog, without a dog, with a kid, without a kid, you you've got to put them in a situation where your dog is not a menace to them. That's your responsibility as a
pet owner. Correct. And that you were saying that this is the stuff that we have to go deal with. And that's what I've been just making sure we're all on the same page. I I've made I've made no judgment about any of this so far, right? From where I sit, that's ever happened under my supervision. um everything that's ever
happened like I was obviously never there. If I have if I'm tripping the front yard with a dog, it's never attacked another dog. It's never ran towards another dog. It's never ran towards another person walking by. Um I'll take you at your word. I I have no idea. I'll take you at your word of
that. I just I'm just saying from where I sit, that's always been the situation when we end up in We never end almost never end up here because of one singular incident. Um there's always a progression progre Thank you. a progression of
incidents that lead to to get us here. I mean so just hear us out. Let's just go through this process. We'll be back here on September 8th and then we'll figure out where we're going to go from here. It's never our intention from the select board
um to punish anyone or or even punish the animal because frankly it's not it has nothing to do with the animal. But we want to make sure that anyone in town, whether it's your neighbor or someone from across the street or someone who's just walking from somewhere else in town, taking a long walk around the neighborhood, can walk
around safely. That's all. And still be neighbors. Correct. And I agree. I don't think anyone wants to go and live in and have, you know, trauma or nervous. I agree with that. And I have been trying to go and obviously make steps. And like I said,
whenever do we know what day we're going to go? I was just going to suggest that you work out a date that I will give you a call. Okay. Um, so schedule's also pretty busy, so we'll have to go and figure out a day um that we can do that.
I will give you a call. Cool. And and it doesn't I mean if if you're home or you're home, I I think it would be totally okay. If you prefer to be you, that's fine. Please be accommodating as best you can given the situation we're in. Take responsibility about it. Between 9:00 a.m. and 2 p.m. Monday
through Thursday, you can plan accordingly because I'm that's what I work. I work those hours, too. Okay. Then someone else can be at the house, but those are the hours that I work 9:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. Monday through Thursday. So,
plan accordingly. Wait, so I I'm a PA. I have exams and I have my exams booked out. Someone else can show me around. But you know, I'm the owner of the dog. I would want me to be there. Someone else owns the house. He can't be there. Show me around.
Your mother's there. We could go and figure out a day. We'll figure that out. I could have like a brother at the house, but like I said, preferred um those are the hours I work. It will be within those hours. So, however you need to arrange it,
that's fine. So, okay, you'll arrange for somebody to be there. Okay. Okay. Good. And we'll leave this hearing open. Continue. Continue.
Till uh I think you have to continue it to a time and date certain. So, September 8th at 6:15 or 610, whatever. 6:05. September 8th. Six 6 Monday
September 8th in two weeks. Two weeks of it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to continue to that time and date. Okay. Roll call vote. Dan Gale. I. Doug Mogan. Yes. Ros Anderson.
Okay. Then we'll see you back here and make sure you get a date squared away. ASAP. Thank you. I'll give you a call and we'll arrange for the day. I'll let you, you know, figure out who's going to be at this close to close. No, cuz we just No, we didn't close it. Okay,
we continue. Okay. And you're all welcome to come back to the next meeting on 98. Okay, let me get organized again. Okay, next. Sabrina Fuller,
Conservation Commission coordinator visit regarding potential land acquisition, 306 Feeding Hills Road. Good afternoon. Good evening. You're right there. Ladies, I'm Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate that. Twice in one day. How lucky am I?
Oh, how lucky am I? Wow. Can we get over this and move along? All right. Um, basically, I asked to be on this uh meeting to start a discussion about uh 306 Feeding Hills Road. Um,
it's a piece of property that has recently been put up for sale that the New England Trail. Um, uh, I fear that, um, if it does get sold to the next property owner, they will build a house
and then we will lose the parking that, um, is currently being the property is currently being used as parking right now. Um, parking and access to the NAT trail. Andy's handing you guys an image,
aerial image of uh the piece of property and you can see that it is being used um for parking. The property was an auction house back in the day. It's since burnt down. It's been essentially abandoned. Um,
and I was hoping to start a discussion on how the town could possibly play a role in reserving this property for access and parking for the trail.
And it also would allow parking the access the new national park which is on that trail. You got to go in from there. the park the the land for the national park, correct me if you're wrong, is the trail. They bought they bought that land
because it contains the trail. So is this land is not the national park, but you would walk the trail in the here's the map of the trail and the parking. So you would park here and you could hike into that national park. There's currently no parking for that
national park. And where is is the um old Corey find? The old quarry is right next to it, but the quarry is not part of the the trail is currently on the quarry. It goes right through there. So then in the color photo, the old
quarry is in the top would be off the top right corner. That that was I don't know if it is, but I know we had so many issues there that that was fenced off at one time pretty no access. The quarry is where hand it would be off the top right corner of the color photo
up here up here. Yeah. So the quarry is this actually you can see it that's that's the bottom of the quy that bull there on the map you can see it because that's a topo map and see the quarry is this bowl that's the base of the quarry and
then the dark lines are the elevation of the walls. Um, and so the NE trail essentially runs from New Haven up to um, New Hampshire. It is, I think, around 200 um, miles
long. We do have some parking over at Rising Corner. That's for the first section in Massachusetts, but this section, we don't have permanent parking. And so I was it's a piece of a of a much larger puzzle. Um
cuz the majority of the NE trail is actually under private property right now. What's the mass dot piece right next door? Uh across the street. I'm just bringing kind of like upgrade. The state was buying all that land.
Route 57. This was before your time here, Doug. No, I No, I recall. I'm just That's part in part. I That was a leading question. Yeah, that's that's all that Route 57 extension. Well, my question was why isn't the
National Park Service inquiring on purchasing that lot the parking for its trail? I think that lot is the this lot. Why aren't they inquiring on purchasing 306 Feeding Hills Road? Oh, I
had asked them um I had asked whoever was in charge of land acquisition down in Washington DC and they had said that they don't necessarily have the ability for um a speedy acquisition. So the process takes at minimum like two years.
Um and they said that usually what happens is it's like the local land trusts that do these sort of speedy acquisitions. And so I've been in contact with the Franklin Land Trust. Um I'm hoping to also have a meeting with the Winding River and also the South
Pick Land Trust to see if anyone is willing to also participate in this. It didn't take them that long to acquire North Longard Road for the trail. I'm sure there was a lot of work behind
the scenes before that they actually finished the deal. Yeah. I don't know how long we heard about it. It seemed like there was a third party involved that they holiday. you had an offer from the trust of public um land and they did a buy and
hold and so that's another aspect that could possibly happen is um honor said that there is a possibility for them to do a buy and hold to give us enough time to you know come up with the funds and we
have like what $1.5 million in the CPA account available for for this purpose. Um, it's possible that we could use some of those CPA funds for this, whether it being to purchase
the property or to purchase the conservation restriction. I did talk to Nicole and she did voice her concerns about um the town acquiring more land where they're not able to manage, which makes sense. Um so
thinking thinking beyond and into the future on how we could solve that problem, we can sort of take the rising hill corner property as a model where the town owns the property but um the Appalachian Mountain Club and the
Pioneer Valley Club Hiking Club manage it. We don't do anything down there. So if we could come up with that sort of scenario, I think that would be um doable. But we wanted to have what is the ultimate benefit for the
town to own this to maintain that access to the trail. We have a wonderful hiking trail and as a recreational community, we have no parking on that hiking trail other than Berry Street. That particular section of the trail is beautiful to walk the
bridge through the pond and then it's like straight uphill into the back of the Bowman's Club. I've climbed that and you get if you have a pack on it's hands and knees up that hill. Um and then it's just kind of flat, kind of boring. This section going north is a super beautiful hike from here up to the
Westfield River and back is like a super cool hike. um any season, particularly early spring, late fall when the leaves are off the trees, get fantastic views. Um so that's a fantastic hike. So the benefit to the town would be you promote
that trail, that section of the trail for hiking and maintain. I know that if if I'm hiking, I want to do maybe like a 45 minute hike or hour and a half hike. Nothing too crazy. I wouldn't be able to access this property right here if there
wasn't parking. If I came from Rising Hill, it would take too long. I did it. You went all across the street 57 and went up. Yeah. How many hours did it take you? Was with my granddaughter. It was slow.
It was leisurely, but it didn't take us all day, of course. Well, you would get to here you would get to here and back to Barry Street in an hour and a half. Certainly. From from Barry Street to here is a minimum of 45 minutes. So, an hour and a half round trip. Why the state doesn't want it to enhance
their own park, right? And they already own the state already owns parcel three. Seems like it's an easy swap for the state. Well, I wouldn't even wonder if the state already owns it. I wonder Well, they don't own par.
No, but they own parcel three, which also abuts trail, right? I wonder if we could actually No. Does it? I don't. I don't know. Yeah, it looks like it does on the map. So, if it does, I'm just thinking out loud. I wonder if we can't reach I think
it's DAM. Oh, just get a license and get a license like we have for the boat ramp. We get a 5-year license for that and we can establish a parking area just like we do at the north ramp. And they they're not doing anything with this property. They're not maintaining
it. They're not for sale. I think three is where I think now why wouldn't we reach out to I think three is where the hill the granite starts in the mountain if the topography allows it. No
too steep. I think when you get to the town line you get that steep hunk of granite to go up there. It's Yeah. I mean this is what it looks like on the map but I don't have the when you cross the trail it pretty much goes up. You wouldn't be able to park unless you had your jeep.
Um, keep parking only. Well, we used to make access that way to the quarry a lot of times for rescue up. It also would be Yeah, there's a road there, but it's like you wouldn't park because it's Yeah, but I mean you might be able to make it. That's where that granite rock is kind of blocking right now. What 180?
It's not like there's six. Well, that's the thing is also is one concern of mine is 80,000. Yes. I mean, I'd like to see how we could do that. It's a good point. But I'd also like to have it kind of be self-limiting if possible because we see what happens when parking lots are too big. Mhm.
We we tend to have issues. So, how about if we try to figure out how we would go about that all at the same time? Um I think it was Sabrina's intention and vision to see the parking kind of remain where it is and the rest to become more
more forested. They put a kiosk there. Was wasn't to turn the whole thing into a parking lot and have 800 people? No. No. I know. I don't believe me. Be able to put a conservation restriction on that price. It's uh I think it's 185 on uh Zillow. 185,000.
And what kind of frontage does it have? It looks like 490 point something acres. It was going to be parts. The wooded part is in a saying, but my point is is wonder if a dual purpose couldn't be achieved
here too. ANR it off. an off ANR off a piece. It It's a developed piece. I I think a couple of years ago somebody started to do something over there and then heard gunshots and said probably shouldn't put a house there.
We approved it for a building back up in here. The whole the wooded side is all an intermittent stream. Ah, and they did get approved for a house in what would be the top left corner of the lot. Yeah. Right. So that's wet. The right side is wet.
where the trees are where it's wet and there's a swamp over um in this area as well. So the trees would never leave that would never become parking lot because it's all wetland. Um Honor is online and I think she wanted to say something. Hi Honor.
Hi. Hi everyone. I'm Honor Lawler with the Trust Republic Land. Um Sabrina invited me to listen in today. So, Trust Republic Land helped protect the um North Longard piece a couple years ago, and we worked with the National Park
Service to add that 200 acre parcel to the National Scenic Trail. So, it's now designated that land is owned by the National Park Service as part of the New England National Scenic Trail. And one of the ways that Truster Public Land
works with communities is to ensure that these trails and trail communities have adequate access for people of all kinds of abilities and u mobility to be able to access
trails and use those trails in the way that um they're able to. And so having adequate parking in all of the communities along the trail is something that I know the National Park Service and Appalachian Mountain Club strives
for as part of their long range trail plan. And so Trust for Public Land helps the National Park Service and helps communities like Southwick and um every I'm based in Connecticut, but um you know along the trail achieve those
goals. And so when I was speaking with Sabrina, we were sort of strategizing, you know, how could um how could Southwick maintain access to the trail if that property were lost. And I think
it's a really great spot right there. I know that the National Park Service agrees that it's a good spot for access. And so perhaps finding a way to, you know, either dual purpose or, you know, secure a portion of it that's used for parking to make sure that people can
continue to use that portion of the trail and park there um is what we at Trust for Public Land would like to help Southwick and help um the land trust and the trail community do. And so that's our expertise is in um land transactions
and negotiations with land owners and putting bringing the deal to fruition, if you will. And so we're just here to help if you want us and if you need us. And um we're also here for the National Park Service if they want us and need us. And as you all, you know, might
guess, things are a little weird with the National Park Service and federal agencies this weird and acquisitions and and everything's gotten a little bit of a shakeup. And so, um, these quick moving priority acquisitions are are hard for the park service to move on.
And so that's where trust or public land and other land trusts can come in and sort of help secure the properties before they're lost. and um yeah, so that just a quick overview of why I'm here and sitting in and listening
and happy to answer any questions about the North Longard acquisition and you know why that would be different or anything like that. That was what where I was going right now. Why is that different? You because the property on North Longard is
on North Longard into the trail. Yeah. Why isn't there parking off of North Longard to the trail? Yeah, so that's a good question. Um, historically
the so that parcel was really acquired the national the National Park Services plan along the New England National Scenic Trail is a little bit different than the Appalachian Trail and other trails. And their hope is that a lot of the the acquisitions are done by state
agencies, local municipalities, and land trusts. And they will acquire land when it's absolutely necessary where the land is really expensive. There's not a land trust that has the capacity to do the acquisition or it is a really critical piece of the
trail that they need to act on because if they don't, the trail corridor is then compromised. And so in that case it was 200 acres. It contained a large portion of the trail itself. And so the National Park Services acquisition was
strategic to secure the trail there. But there the idea of having trails other trails and side trails leading into a national trail isn't some it that isn't
a primary goal of theirs. And so if there is better, quicker access and parking closer to the actual footpath, that is their preference. And so for from North Longard Road, if you, you know, can imagine it or look at a map,
it's a pretty far hike from North Longard to the footpath itself. And that that footpath really is up on a ridge. And so putting a trail through there would be a pretty serious trail project.
And so that hasn't happened yet. Not that it wouldn't, but securing a parking area for the trail that's more accessible and that's already sort of um been memorialized by the community by, you know, the way that they're already
using it is certainly something that they would, you know, favor. Um and I don't speak for National Park Service. I just, you know, knowing their plans pretty well and their sort of strategy well the but acquiring a land that it's
not exactly contiguous and not part of the trail at this moment in time is not going to be a priority for them from their acquisition side. And so their acquisition side is going to focus on protecting that footpath and protecting
those threatened and sort of, you know, precarious sections of the trail that could be lost in an instant because of a subdivision or something like that. But a parking area is obviously, you know, would be great for to have, but it's not going to be at the top of their list for
acquisitions with limited funding. The New England National Scenic Trail is not a well-funded trail the way the Appalachian Trail or the North Country Trail are. And so it's it just has they have to focus their their finances and their energy um on the actual footpath.
Sorry, there's a long- winded way and um I know you guys have had a long night so I'd stop there. It's 2.4 acres. That's what people say, right? But about 1.1 is usable
for for parking or anything because you said the stream and the swamp. Yeah. What's what's cleared is kind of usable and the rest is would be restricted. This is also kind of maintained already because like AWAM uses that for the school bus turnaround
and the snowplow turnarounds and all that. If you put a lot up on North Longard, that would be like a whole independent thing with an uphill access instead of a straight, you know. So to her, to Honor's point, if you put it on North Longard, people with handicaps
would have to go uphill to get to the trail right out of the gate. This is pretty much level walking into the base of the quarry and then it's uphill. You would get They're still going to If they're still going to hike, they're going to hike, right? Yeah. Hikers can do it off the north line. Absolutely. or once they get
up through the hill doesn't matter, right? This one has doesn't have to be developed. It's already kind of maintained probably by no agreement by Agawan because they need their buses to turn around and there's no paws. Um, so it's just more convenient.
Okay. I think Sabrina was just looking for your thoughts and ideas, you know. Should I move forward with the CPA application? Um, what are your thoughts on the town possibly
owning this property or would you prefer owning a conservation restriction? Those are the two ways we can be involved using CPA money. I would prefer the National Plus to do it.
I I don't see it as bringing any economic impact to the town. It's the parking that's there. It's not going to increase activity in town to me. So, this would this would
maintain access. If it sold, we would more than likely lose that access from that point. And um I don't think the National Park Service is going to acquire this. I've already asked. So, if
we leave it up to them, it's going to get sold privately and it's going to more than likely be a duplex cuz it's a it was already approved to be a duplex. So, which is not a bad thing either. No, it's not. But, um
my post I mean all over this town it says recreational community all over this town. We have a rail trail that has I think approximately six parking spots, official parking spots for a rail trail. And now we have this trail also and the opportunity to correct that fauxar that
we did with the rail trail of having no facilities to promote the other end of this has no parking down in in a feeding hills. Um this would allow the trail to be used. this park. This is a linear park just like the rail trail. Um that
extends what a couple hundred miles. Um I don't know. I do see the value of it and going by there twice a day for almost 20 years. I mean there's days where there's 25 cars there. There's days where there's no cars. But um I
mean a lot of people do use that 12 months out of the year they hike that section of the trail for sure. I mean, a lot of people are unaware it even exists and that it is something you can do in this town. Isn't that to the field? Yeah, I think
but that's that one. No, I just was looking on Google Maps just to change the year. Change the year. Uh, see history. That was in Google Earth. This is Google Maps.
Oh, okay. There's a bunch of boulders right at the road at least in on Google maps to the road leading in rightly. That's the trail itself. Correct. That's the foot path right now. Yes. Yeah. And that's the old road that the
trucks would run in and out of the quarry. But isn't that This is the trail right here, right? Yes. Where and the boulders are right across the trail. So this is the mass land set back from the road though. The boulders are kind of set back like the gate and the boulders.
This probably would be the mas dot lands that right there. Sure. Boulders. Right. Is that that's a piece of land you're talking making parking there? Right. Yeah. Parking the proposed parking,
right? He's saying and this is right there, right? He's saying utilize this for the boulders. That's pretty small. Far as I mean the number of cars that the number of cars that are in this
photo wouldn't fit in that parking lot and be able to get back out. The boulders are right in front of the recreation community sign, right? Correct. Yep. That would be the blaze right there. Right. There's a fair amount of land
there. You're looking at that where the boulders are. Yeah. You the the parcel break through here. I I like the license idea better on that. I think we should have a look at it just
to see what you're also you also got to remember that's right where the hill comes up and around. So that would be a pretty big surprise to the folks coming over the top to see me backing out for trying to get out crossing the road. Further down it's a lot safer as far as your line of
sight because your line of sight coming westbound is pretty limited. It's pretty directly across from the Bowman. It could be directly across from the Bowman's driveway. Pretty much. Yep. And it depends on how you structure the
in and out of that parking lot, but it depends on if it's all ledge or what. We were going to put an antenna there once, Russ. What was what was the fall back on that? That's up on top. That was the conservation land from the state. Where those rock are the trail?
Yeah, this mountain here. That was the access that was part of the access channel. I mean, I guess I'd like to look at So, this land would be owned by the opportunity there. That's a tra piece there. That's lane owns that
and then the state owns the next little triangle. Yeah. I don't but the lane walked them off because we had so many issues up there with right dirt bikes and everybody else. Oh, the little but where the rocks are. This is all
lane property all the way out to the road. This part is part of the quarry. That's why it's it's hard to see on the map whether the this comes up to the trail or it comes up to front. It's the front of lanes. I don't know if it's right here.
You It said it shows the trail coming all the way to 57. And so there's a line that's not here. I think you can kind of That's the foot right there. This is the footpath that goes right here. So this
is the trail, correct? So and this is this is the corner of three. This is the mass dot land, right? Not where the rocks are. The rocks are lane. I do think there's ledged but it's like a Yeah, you know
have to take a look. We should have we I we it's a good idea. I think we just got to walk through what the possibilities are and then what's the best way and I and I think we'd have to be very careful again
given our experience on South Longard how big of a parking area you make. Mhm. Um and you know there is a discussion around taking a ratable off the the map but the the greater con you know this I
remember this came in and they did pull a permit to do something and then they they literally started to do something and the gun club was having a day and they said they rethought their life choices up to that point, right? Because we never heard to live in a duplex across from the gun club, right? But um
they came past us like twice. We adjusted everything and we read it a second time and then and then someone had proposed someone actually had proposed to reszone that commercial at one point too. Um going to be a professional doctor's
office or yeah some kind of professional office there. And again didn't mesh well with a use across the street which has been there for a long long long time. Yeah. before parking wood mesh because it's just for
the day. He doesn't want to donate it. Huh? Doesn't want to donate it. No, he needs the money, right? Yeah. And that's another thing is that um the owner wants to sell because he
needs the money and yes, sell pronto. So um the sooner I know if I should move forward with this or not, the better. So then at least I could let him know. We can do a site visit. Sure. And Sabrina, can I just say one more
thing? Um, absolutely. So one of the benefits of trust for public land and why we get involved in some of these transactions is that we as a la as a land trust, we are a land trust. We just don't hold land in the way that traditional land trusts do. We
facilitate the transactions. Um, but we we take on all the risk by going under contract with the landowner and negotiating with the land owner and setting up the terms of the option contract, purchase and sale contractor, you know, whatever kind of agreement we
decide to go under. And that removes a lot of the risk from the town. It also allows us to sort of pull funding from different sources. And so if the town is able to contribute from already existing, you know, funds that they have in their CPA account, we can sometimes
put together the funds for the remainder of the purchase price through other sources, whether it's state or local grants or foundations. Um, a lot of our funding for our due diligence costs came from the National Park Foundation for
the North Longard piece. And granted, this isn't a park service acquisition, so we might not get funding from them. But trust public land can come in and sort of take that take on ownership of all that risk that's associated with the real estate and sort of all the burden
that goes along with it from the municipality. And so what we would ask of the municipality would be just the obligation of those CPA funds if it was deemed that that ownership structure, conservation easement structure was a
good fit for the town. Um, and so we can play that role if you need us to. And I just wanted to put that out there. It's sort of like a, you know, we we we can help if you need us. You
I think too like not doing something because bad people exist is kind of giving into them. South in reference to South Longard I wouldn't not do it for that not doing something like throwing that down as a reason that's a reason to do it. Let's lure him in, arrest him and
set him straight. That mean that would be the experience through the quarry you go. Right. Yeah. Right. We're already here. Let's go.
Let's Yeah, let's take a look. It's an It's an idea that makes sense. You're better off financially, but that's always going to be the problem. Yeah. Um, I'd like to wait until Nicole's back though. Yeah, absolutely.
That's good. The only ironic thing that I'm I mean, you're right. There's times you go by there and it's Well, I've never heard of a trash complaint, which is strangely odd with everything else in town. Probably find mattresses
there in the morning, but Right. Yeah. On the trail. When you have hikers that go along the NE, that's sort of a different type of recreational. It's whereas you have a water body, you're attracting, it's really hard to carry a 24.
They're packing for a whole stay there. Basically, you're just bringing like granola bar with you and a bottle of water. There really hasn't been really any issues in that parking that I trail other than the occasional falling off. Well, there is that.
Well, yeah. And I think there But then they're not on the trail. They're trespassing and they're off the trail. Beautiful. Yeah, there's fence up there. Kind of useless to just walk around it. Scary place.
Okay. So, we'll um come back to this and and maybe see about the other property as well. And oh, that is that's the boulders right in front of the sign, right? But that's not the ones that I was looking at on the map. On the on Google Maps, there's a row of boulders like that. Should be able to see. It was the
Sleepers Hillside. Yeah, I think it's these shadows right here. Could be is the Rome. It was the existing property owners that was their hillside. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Can I ask you one other quick question
on that? When we were when who owns the rail the piece now that who who acquired it from the federal government? Yeah. Who's the actual owner of of the big park on North Longard of the the linear park that we just
bought, right? That that the feds just bought last year. The National Park Service. It is it is managed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service though. So National Park Service bought. Thank you. Do you know what ever became of the a uses that were going on there prior to
acquisition and what's going on there now? So I'm not sure but I know that fish and wildlife um they h they do when they acquire when they are managing land they do an assessment of sort of you know
what the future use is going to look like and they had to work out an agreement with the national park service and I don't know exactly what they decided on the egg use typically and unfortunately sometimes um fish and
wildlife definitely heirs towards bird h and and wildlife habitat. And so often times, you know, it's acquiring farmland is isn't always ideal to do it with Fish and Wildlife Service, but that
was this parcel had to be bought in its entirety by one ownership structure. And um so there was a little bit of agricultural displacement. I believe. I think they removed the barn. Oh, yes. The barn was absolutely
removed. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. It's good for something to follow up. Thank you. Yes.
Okay. Then we have a one-day liquor license for Vicenial Brewing Company. LLC for their fall harvest brew and music fest for November 1st, 2025.
In the documents, there was a police signature missing which you got on the table today and I don't think anyone is is there anyone here for this discussion? Doesn't look like it.
Wait, what's the date of that? It is to be November 1st, 2025. And to date, there is still not an insurance certificate.
Um, believe they were waiting for our tenative approval before they went to that expense. So we would be making a provisional um license on this pending receipt of their all the other certification
needed. What's your thoughts on this as far as the event or the public license? Kind of both. Yeah. Um, I have to say that the property is
pristine now as as a as a eyes front agricultural. You I mean the crops everything it's done there is like pristine. Um I I assume he's using one
of the back barns for for the event which would fall into the only thing I didn't see on here and I could have missed it was building inspector uh for egresses and things like that. I mean I know fire is involved but um
I got to find it here. Um does it indicate using the barn? See? Well, that's kind of what it was. Show a map and they got the toilets. They got the event
area. It looks like it's out of dorms. It's all kind of like around it. That's food truck area. Um, but I don't see a stage.
That's why I was wondering. But even aside from that, one of the questions I have is I I don't understand what the threshold is for when there's a detail officer because I can know for years every little dance we threw at the
rec center or bingo or anything if you had alcohol you required it. We have Chief Vanish on if he wants to respond to that and now it seems optional. So, chief's son on answer that. Hi guys, how are you?
Hi. Uh, as far as I know, my understanding it's basically uh chief's discretion on that one. Uh, or the chief's agent and the agent obviously, you know, was Sergeant Kutka uh for liquor licenses. Uh, this is a new event. Obviously,
we've never had this uh particular one or anything like it uh at that farm before. So, I don't really anticipate much of an issue. They're talking maybe a couple hundred people total.
Um there is a stipulation, you're probably looking at it, that if there is some form of problem, they would be required to bring an officer in at that point in time. And serving alcohol would conclude at 8:30 p.m. Correct. in the area would be uh
confined by I believe uh stakes rope and signage. As far as that pouring area goes, my understanding was it was actually in that tobacco shed. Oh, I see that's one. It doesn't indicate that dispensed right there. Okay. Yeah. Is
that a shed? Oh, I guess it is. Is that a roof? Yeah, it's two long buildings. I was looking at it on the maps too, but I just more general back up for a minute is we had somebody a few years ago proposed
to have pretty significant event uh near the Connecticut border. And I don't know that they had a great plan at the time. It was just kind of a I don't know that even the event actually materialized. That memory doesn't serve me well on that. But it just, you know,
you're right. You're not that far from Jared Estates. Um I know the Arnolds. I know, you know, and all that, but this is this is kind of a unique event. I I don't recall seeing one like
this in quite a few years. So, I just was kind of interested in your take on it. In addition, we did get something else from Margaret's inquiry. They have been issued by the ABCC and not the local licensing authority, a pub
brewery license for this event. A pub brewery license to produce malt beverages and sell them at retail to consumers on the brewery premises. So, they're going to brew beer on the premises. Ely, they do. That's That's
what they're um Please. It's a hopsfield. Cool. No, you're growing hops at one time. Yeah. Too bad. Well, this is the front. It's the front bar, not the back bind. Yeah. Sure. Do you want to bring them into to our
next meeting and and bring these questions out or I was kind of I kind of wanted to get a feeling from you guys what you thought about it. And that puts a little more context around it. Thank you for that. I was wondering where the brewery was from.
Right. Wouldn't hurt to talk. You handed it to me. You said I would need it in general in favor of right. Exactly. Um it's just I guess it's I'm kind of thinking what's the next one that comes
in and then once you set a you know not a precedent but a couple years ago I something came in front of me when I was chief about a wedding venue in here utilizing something for a wedding venue. I don't think it happened. So my guess is they're trying to
repurpose some of the area um like anybody these days. H and I agree with you driving north on Pallet Highway. I I know I talked to them a couple weeks ago. It's gorgeous how they've set up and beautified it and made it look spectacular there.
I mean, they're trying to make use of their crops if they're growing those crops. It's not It's for a reason. I think we're all I'm assuming we're all kind of pretty cool if it's 200 people, but 2,000 show up how they contain it.
You know, we might the police would have the discretion. Too late once there's 10,000 people there, but you know, I don't know if it's a resale ticket type of thing or did he put do they put expected 200? I saw that. Yeah, I saw that, too.
And they expect 250 people to attend. And that's from Fred Arnold, right? From noon to 8:00 p.m. in and out over time. Yeah. So I mean I don't think it has that big of a it's it's in kind of a remote area as
well. There's I think their property will handle it's also down in volume lower level compared to J. So yes it's new. It's it's a new agricultural accessory use. 50 ft lower.
This is moving a bit. Yeah. So, we're at three 302 from elevation and farm. Yes. 220. So, that's the two or it's one big barn or two barns.
Yeah. We're just approving it. Mhm. We're voting to approve it. The one day. The one day. Yep. Pending their Yeah. Any outstanding documentation including insurance coverage? I see no harm.
I don't need a I'll second his motion. I'll make a motion to accept to for the provisional pending other documentation. Second. Roll call vote. Dian Gale. I Doug Mvin, yes. Sanderson, yes.
Okay. Thank you for that information. And then acknowledge and approve a $25 donation from Todd and Terry Brown to be deposited into the library gift account. So move. Acknowledge and approve a $100 donation from William and Deb Gore to be
deposited into the K9 gift fund. You want to dispose of the first one? I'm sorry. Roll call vote. Diane Gail. I Doug Mogan. Yes. Anderson. Yes. And for the second one, $100 donation to William and Debb Gore to be deposited into the K9 gift fund.
So moved. Second. Roll call. Vote. Dian Gale. I Doug Mun. Yes. Roughly Anderson. Okay. Other new business. Moving right along. Uh just want to mention the NRCS has had contractors on site over the
past week. NRCS. National Resource Conservation Services. the dredging guys. Okay, dredging for doing the assessments and design documentation to restore the stream flow from Great Brook and Canal
Brook. An official project kickoff remote meeting will be on 912 2025 to include Nicole Parker, myself, Chief Banish as the harbor master, LMC, and a Comcon member as well as Southfield's DPW
director and a Southfield Conservation Commission member. uh just that's their kickoff meeting and what they plan to do and what it's going to take, how long it's going to take, what resources, etc. I'll keep you updated on that.
Um any other new business? Do you want to cover that under old business or new business? Which? the uh municipal fiber piece. Oh, we have that under old. I think
you looked at me. I was scared from anywhere. I guess it's new since we haven't discussed it. Although it's an old topic. It's up to you, Doug. Where I'm taking it under old business. Okay. Do you have anything else for new? I don't think so, Russ. Maybe. Okay.
Old business. Um, we need to finalize our discussion on the CDBG reappropriation of funds if we have exhausted our look at other opportunities
whether the $130,29711 of uncommitted and unspent funds will be re appropriated to the North Lake AB project format. I would move to put it toward the North Lake project.
Can you split any of it? Can you put my my I have to say I was pretty impressed with the report from the pantry and how many what it was tons of food that had gone through and I didn't know if we
could take some of it apply it to non-p perishing. did ask that and they have kind of a surplus of cash. Okay. For the pantry as it is. All right. So, so at this time not really a required appropriation.
Okay. That's fine. I just I was pretty impressed with how much they've done. There's a lot of volume for sure. So Doug made a motion be second. All right. So the motion will be to move
to transfer to up to 130,29711 in uncommcomitted and unspent funds allocated to the bungalow street project into a new infrastructure improvement project for the area of North Lake. So moved. Second. Roll call vote. Dang. I
Doug Mlin. Yes. Well, say Anderson. Yes. Okay. And that just because and to be clear that CDBG projects that have been rehabilitating those streets as we go along, there's still a bunch of them to do and to get to. Yep. So this just kind of helps North Lake
along, which will hopefully get us the summer to etc, etc. So absolutely. We don't have the ability, just for anyone who's going to watch this, we can't use chapter 90 money on those roads because they're not accepted public ways and they're not going to
become accepted public ways. So, this is a way for us to get in there and bring utilities to them and as part of that process is to redo those roads. Um, speaking of roads, the beta
Yes. software uh upgrade. Um Russ, you provided some new information in that. Um yeah, the gentleman couldn't make it tonight. Um we did have the updated uh budget that was based on and a quick
run through. I'm of the nature that I would like to see us get started and have a report for October. gets us into budgeting season and possibly a new department head by that time. Um, and have the tools to start making some
educated decisions on where our money's going down the road. I believe we're in agreement on wanting to move forward on that. The question is which version um is
I did ask him that question. Um, he said if you're looking If you're looking to get a more broader picture for the incoming department head that includes signs, trees, you know, a more global look plus the roads, then
the LAR, the the more expensive one is is the way to go. If you're looking for just simply the road version, then the the cheaper um which to me would be fine at this point. Uh that to me that's the priority. Um Oh, they'll both give you the sign
detail a little bit. Yeah, but the the other one gives you you can pull up a threedimensional picture, spin it around, all the other and the photometry also does that with their algorithms
does convert it to a 3D. It just takes another week or two to do that, but it's all with algorithms. So, I did ask too, what so what happens next year? Um, so he said the way it would work is once we entered into a contract, they they don't start the
contract till the report's done or I mean obviously there the contract started, but we'd have an October time frame that we would get a get this report, get the the materials from then we have a year to utilize them on their
treatments and you know methods and means included in this upgrade work. Right. So then I said, "All right, what happens year two? We don't have to do this again, do we?" He says, "No, this only happens every 3 to five years." He says, "The following year, if you so choose, you could put us on a like a
$5,000 retainer and utilize him for budgeting, bidding, things like that, consultation." Yeah. Just as a professional, that sounds reasonable, right? Seems good to me. You start looking at a threeear and if we put the work into it once we have this and maintaining it, there's
less reliance on them to do any of that, right? Yeah, I think you'd get a Yeah, you get a method of meaning more current. Yeah. Data always more current data. I like to make a motion to move forward with the is the option one.
It is the option A imagebased approach for $24,500 lump sum amount. That was your motion. Yeah, I'll second the motion. Thank you. Gladly. Diane Gail. I Doug Moin. Yes. S Anderson News.
Okay. Um and then I think we still have a few more streets. Uh we were John was going to come back. John is on vacation I think this week as well. He was going to come back about whether some of the streets you thought Doug could be carved
off into phases or not. So I guess we'll wait hear from him on September 8th as well. Okay. If we can get him back. No, then you call me. I'll go.
Okay. Other old business then Doug. So, we met uh a couple weeks ago and we had some discussions in executive sessions due to some contractual and competitive information
and we had uh we need to vote in open session. We had made a couple of we need to vote and discuss an open session a plan um regarding some of the ARPA
funds are allocated to the municipal fiber network. Um, we had a couple of different proposals from uh our partner and we had discussed working with them to finalize a much
smaller kind of trial project while at the same time connecting under the the existing funding structure that we have to connect the municipal some of our municipal facilities including the library, the schools, town
hall um and DPW. By using careful routing there on how we would get from A to B, we would put ourselves to be able to
do a pilot program in a couple of the fiberhoods that were out there. So, what we were looking to do here is to take a vote by this board to support that and then go back with Whip City to lay
out a contract and the engineering and um the cost structure in order to make that happen within the amount of funding that we have available today. So, that's my I guess a long-winded
motion. Um, and there were two possible smaller trial projects. One was with the neighborhoods surrounding. Yeah. Um, I'm not sure I have that here right.
No, but that this so basically the roughly fiber service areas 13, 14, and six um would be built out. Um we would build it without having to
implement a hut here on the town campus. Whip City would host those areas until we get to the point that uh we see the results of the trial and then offer then we would continue the buildout and construct the hut to support our own
fiber service areas. Um and then we would in either scenario we we had an A scenario and a B scenario. This is the B scenario. In either scenario, the town should move forward with the make ready work that's already
been we got the cost estimates from the pole owners to proceed and that work is just waiting for us to tell them to go ahead and do it and it would secure uh our location along the poles especially up and down College Highway. Um and then
the additional we would have to do some additional applications for polls to get to the complete areas of 13 14 and six. So just to be clear, so this is taking existing money. They are on the other side already approved.
Correct. They're doing a test trial to see what the take rates are in the in some population density whatever that those rates are. And then at that point any future buildout you would have the history of take rates interest
financial pictures. Correct. Correct. 100%. And then the other piece of this is is also this would be in line with the municipal fiber network grant that we already have under the um compact grant. We would be connecting town
facilities that are not connected today. Right now, this building, police and fire are network, but this would extend that network out to the library. Um, DPW is in the plan, but we're I don't know if we're going to get to it right away, but it'll get some of the work to get toward it, and it would get to the
library and the schools, the school campus. Yeah. And just for the record, the plan that B option included some of the neighborhoods in you want to on that map thing just just for the
public record. That's that's the one I have on it actual site. It's an old Steven show. Not with you in the way. There you go. That's Oh, that's good. No, that's good. This is the town hall is in the middle
of 13 six is just over here. What was the other one? This way a little bit. But it's off hills. Yeah, there you go. Okay. 6 13 and 14. Yeah. So they they're all near each other. They get we already have access
to 13 obviously from town hall which we came off the rail trail and up depot to get and then six. So for So this is feeding hills. This plus 14. So this is like Birchwood, Burnwood, all that area there. Correct. Yep. And it would get to some of Hudson we
said. Right. We get to the entrance to the industrial park. Okay. Just for the record, making sure that's out there. Yeah. Okay. So, that's your motion. That is my motion. Second. Roll call vote. Diane Gail. I
Doug Morgan. Absolutely. Russ Anderson. Yes. Okay. Other old business. Doug. I think that's it for me. Russ. I know we went through the um goals and objectives last meeting or meeting
before and I think there was some stuff on there that Nucci Pry might have had on there. Um might I suggest that September 8th, three of us come back with two or three items that we can get movement on by January? Sure. And
well, I was I was going to bring that up with the um master plan items as well because I said some of those might integrate with those. So ask you to take a look at the master plan objectives as well and even if we tweak them a little
does it incorporate it into our goals. And you got I don't think we're going to be spinning in the mud if we try 100%. And I and ju just to follow on to that I took that sheet and turned it into kind of an action item list of those because there was a lot of
repetition and some other things. So then I took them and moved them into bullets and I sent it to Nicole and Margaret to send on to you guys and you. We didn't see that. Yeah. Okay. But you please feel free to have a look at it and make any It was just I tried for myself to refine it and
focus it like where we had three things that were very similar. Correct. I kind of focused here and said and then put it here's the three things so that hopefully it would reduce that list to something that was a little bit more manageable. Agreed. And we had a couple things on there. I don't know what happened with the
document or we all had the same idea so it was on there three times this I try to tie it all together so that we had something that you could work with you know before that goals and objectives was one sheet double-sided and now it was it was not that anymore so I tried to get back to
that as best I could and forat this version of it have a lot of explanation in it we can cut that down too so I I took a a tool that I use all the time that I've been using for a long time in my uh other role and try to adapt it here. So have a look and see if
it if it's helpful and we can go back to it September 8th. And um Norm Tver sent you back something. You got something today. I figure out what the stuff that I'm not even listed and I swear I did but I got to look
I I didn't look at them today either yet. So I don't know what he sent but we'll figure it out. But if you can just kind of look at those and if we can incorporate if we've got 90% of it in our goals, let's pick up that 10% and work it in and call it. Like I said, we're going to have to give them a report as well of what we're going to do
on the master plan items. So if we double duty it, we're there. Well, I mean just you said there was conflict of priorities not aligning that that part of it is is we prioritized things and we might have
said it's number 12 of 15 but all the support parties think it's number three. There's a lot of reasons for that. There might only be one person on the support party. There might be two and all they have is two priorities. It's one or two for them where we had 15 or 17.
Mhm. And again, some of it is the wording. We like 90% of what it says, right? And they don't like the 10%. They don't know we want to carve out the same 10%. So there's justifiable differences in a lot of cases based on my own review of
everybody's. I would agree with you. I like I was just I read some of that right before I came here while I was waiting for something else to wrap up and I agreed with one thing out of the list of like 19 things that was in the one action item. So, I ranked it very low, right?
But that one thing, if it had been by itself, I probably would have ranked it high. That's me. I know you don't want to spend a ton of time on the master plan, but that's where we need to talk about the ma we need to spend a session talking about the master plan and what is good that we agree with that we can
move forward and what we just won't. There will be some we won't. I had a good number of never vote yes. Process too. True. Right. And well, yeah, we just voted on one thing that was pretty high up on the master plan,
right? So So we knocked one off. There we go. Can all We're done. Pat ourselves on the back. Let's go home. You made it to January. Yeah. Right. All right. Yeah. So yeah, I think we all agree on that. Okay. Any other old business from you
then? Did you have anything else? That's it. Okay. Um minutes approve open session minutes July 2825 and August 11 2025 session roll call vote Diane Gale I Doug no yes
acknowledge and approve executive session meeting minutes from August 11th 2025 Five. Some I'll make a motion as as amended. There's just one minor change I'd like to install. Roll
call vote. Dang outline. Rose Anderson. Yes. Doug Moin. Yes. And you want to give her your Yeah, I'll give it back. Okay. Was quite the P. Okay. Acknowledge payroll warrant 2604 dated August 11, 2025 in the amount of
295 $721. Acknowledge payables warrant 2604B dated August 19, 2025 in the amount of $425,195. 96. We are not going into executive session. So looking for a motion to
adjurnn. So move. Second. Roll call vote. Bang. Go. I Doug Morgan. Yes. Ros Anderson. Yes. Thank you for staying. Now