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Part 1 (Video ID: r2xE2jwRwNE):
- 00:00:02: Meeting Start, Flag Salute, Public Comment Introduction
- 00:02:11: Lake Management's Grant Opportunity Presentation and Vote
- 00:09:33: Firefighter Ian Hurley: Confirmation Interview & Appointment
- 00:15:55: Randy Austin - WGI Tiff Explanation and Discussion
- 00:24:00: DPW: Complete Streets Policy Adoption Discussion/Vote
- 00:35:22: DPW: Hulcom & South Longard Road Funding Discussion/Vote
- 00:41:57: Road Assessments Prioritization and Future Planning
- 01:00:21: Community One Stop Growth Project Discussion and Support
- 01:09:46: American Legion Parade Permit Application Approval
- 01:10:20: Master Plan Completion Acknowledgement and Approval
- 01:12:24: Open Space Recreation Plan Committee Appointment
- 01:13:33: Land Management Grant Approval and Signatory Authorization
- 01:14:59: Right of First Refusal and Miscellaneous Correspondence
- 01:19:01: Review & Approval of Executive Session Meeting Minutes
- 01:23:00: Payroll Warrant Approval and Meeting Adjournment


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May 11th. This open meeting is being recorded session. Anyone else recording? >> Red audio and video. >> Cliping Clark. However, the audio is not

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working. I could not hear you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Clear. >> Hold. Please. >> Click on the audio thing. Make sure it's on there. >> The problem last week with someone else,

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>> you know, the arrow next to it and make sure it's the right device. >> Yeah. for our bus. >> Sounds good now. It really does. Thank you. >> Good job, Nie. >> All right. >> And we'll try to get to the owl.

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>> Make sure you record what you did. >> All right. So, Cliff Clark was recording, I think. >> All right. And >> that is correct. >> All right. Thank you, sir. And attendance, Nicole Parker, Diane Gail, >> Doug Mglin, >> Russ Anderson,

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>> Nine Signoni. Okay. And can we stand for the middle of the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.

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>> Okay. And then we will start with public comment. >> A couple of minutes here in case I >> in the room first >> right there. >> Why not? >> Sure. >> Dick Gran's chair of lake management uh has to come in and we have an

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opportunity for a grant that uh you may have seen information on. It's the mass D and a company called CI Comprehensive E. I'm trying to remember the name. It's

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but it's a um they've been around for forever on this. And what it is is it's an opportunity to have the work done that's needed in order to be able to get S319 grants in the future.

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We have to have either a a TMDL plan which is total mass daily load plan which is very expensive to do uh or this watershed based plan which is nine steps nine elements and that again needs help to do

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it. It's not something that we can just write up ourselves and and compete on it. The opportunity here is to have CI actually do the work and put together this nine element plan, the watershed watershed based plan. Uh, Congland fits

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very well because it's all three ponds are impaired uh on they're on the mass C list for impairments. Uh, we have endless data on water quality that we've taken over the decades. We have lake level information for more than two and

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a half decades and water quality information for more than two and a half decades and that's gets us a lot of check marks. um they were describing the process to obtain one of these grants, they're only going to give two for the Commonwealth, but when they said what

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you have to have, we meet all of the all the requirements. And most of the people that were on there on this uh session, you know, kind of were asking, well, can we do this instead of that? And they said, no, these are hard and fast. So we do meet all of the requirements that are

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in the U in order to be able to input to request the assistance of CI to do this nine element uh plan. So it cost us nothing to do this. Uh we would wind up

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with a product that we can submit then to mass D which is a requirement in order to get S319 grants today and others. It's not just that. There are other grants that are run through the uh mass DP. So it makes us eligible for a

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lot of grant money. >> Yeah. >> So recommendation from lake management was that we uh pursue this but we need you know Dave early. >> You were just doing a letter of intent. >> This is a letter of intent right for them to >> we have to give them all the all our

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qualifications in that letter. In other words, why why we are a very very good candidate for it which we can do. We've already put assembled the whole thing and uh it has to be in by May I think it's May 30th May 27th

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and we will we can make that no problem. >> What are we doing the ninestep plan or were we doing >> this is the ninestep plan not the TMDL. >> Okay. >> TMDL is very costly to do. >> Okay. >> And and very complex. That was the more extensive one. >> Oh yes. Okay.

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>> Much more extensive. >> Nine step sounds. >> Nine step is sweet. >> It sounds extensive. >> It's a nice order. Okay. >> Yes. >> And we have we have a lot of what has to go into that ninstep plan already. That just has to be put into >> the right order. >> The perfect words, right? And that's what they do.

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>> So it's great have somebody else do it for us. >> Dick. It mentions uh having a local champion. Uh and there must be a committed local entity association, municipal department, etc. is like management. >> Yes. >> Going to step up and >> Yes. We've already we already said we would and

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>> even as things go on. >> Absolutely. Yes. As we've done with all the other grants. I mean, we've gotten a lot over the over the years. 319 grants. We've had three already. Four lakes and ponds grants. Um, we work, you know, to

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work with DPW and whatnot as far as any any work that's been done on drainage that can that winds up in the in the lake, uh, cleaning that up. You know, if you're going to go in and fix something, let's do it in accordance with the mass C requirements. And so, we've been doing

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that now for literally for decades. So it's we're that that's a major focus of of lake management is water quality and we do take samples. That's another great thing is we we are uh we take

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samples monthly all all the things that they need to know the phosphorus total phosphorus oxygen blah blah blah all the things that need to go into this uh input we already do and have done. So we've got lots and lots of historical data and we

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can also show which is really really good. We can show the positive impacts that we've had on the water quality by all the work that's been done adding the the separators and whatnot on out outfalls that go into uh Congaban

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and you know infiltrating instead of just dumping it into the lake. So that kind of work gets carries a lot of points and that's why we feel, you know, we stand a good chance. Maybe we won't be one and two, but we sure hope so. >> Okay.

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>> And and it's it's only our time. It's not we don't have to hire anybody to, you know, to help us write what's going to go into them. >> Is that a vote or just a >> I think approval to intent. send a letter of intent just to kind of um you

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know not just inform but make sure that you know this is something that the town um would be interested in and I think it's a great idea and it doesn't cost anything and they actually reached out to us and um you know we have this great lake management committee who is just so

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dedicated to the lake and it's just a letter of intent or a letter of uh interest. So then right you know the select board will certainly get involved if it is selected >> and then you will need approvals and official

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>> if we do get it then you have to approve it. >> Does this should you should you get it and down the road does this open the door to grants for treatments and applications >> also grants for for dredging >> dredging. Oh yeah, there's it opens a lot of doors because you have to answer

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so many questions in this nine uh element water-based plan, watershed based plan that it opens up, you know, well, here's where the phosphorus comes from, you know, and here's where the low oxygen and here's what contributes to it and that gives you avenues to get

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funding for all different from all different sources. Is it good? >> You need a motion, >> I guess, >> to sign a letter of intent. >> Letter of interest. >> Interest. >> Yeah. >> And and have Dick Brand will sign such

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letter. >> Yeah. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. Dian Gal. >> Doug Mullen. Yes. >> Rose Anderson. Yes. >> Thank you. Good luck with that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anybody else in the room with public comment? Is there anybody online with public

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comment? tonight. There we have anybody on? Don't see any. >> Done. >> Okay. Next up is a confirmation interview with Southwest Career Firefire

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Paramedic Ian Hurley for promotion to fire lieutenants. >> So, good evening everybody. Um, so Ian Hurley is a familiar face. He was part of our initial interview process. Um so we started back in

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uh we started uh about 14 months ago um with the appointment as the department was progressing and uh filling the role of our first frontline supervisor as a lieutenant position here. Um so last April um Stephen Bachmann um was

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appointed and became our first career officer in May. um over the year, the past year, Ian's been working towards some of the goals that we had set for him. Um and a lot of that goal, those goals uh were to work with our younger department and get them to the next

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level. Um also work towards um involving uh his his group and other groups in training. Um there were a couple of other things for professional development we've asked him to do and he's done that. And then on the side, he's also done quite a bit himself. um he Ian loves to go and I'm sure he can

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tell you a little bit about this um for specific training. So there's that one particular group there called the fools um but is a very serious firefighter training organization is some of the best firefighters out there training um and Ian definitely makes the effort to go there. So at this time uh we'd like

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to put Ian forward as a candidate uh for lieutenant u with the appointment and endorsement of the select board. So, we saw you a little over a year ago. >> Indeed. >> Very good interviews all around. >> Thank you.

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>> Um, in your words, why don't you just give us a little bit more on what you've been doing and how you've gone about it. >> Um, yeah, I mean, it's it's been a good year. You know, Stephen has moved into that role very well. Um, he's become more of a leader than he already was.

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um chief and I had talked and deputy as well um about certain things that they wanted me to work on uh personally and with my group and departmentwide. Um obviously chief feels I've done those very well. I obviously like to think

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I've done those well. Um I've taken I don't know how many I've taken several professional development trainings. Um as chief said I've done the the fools training. So fools means fraternal order of leather heads society. So because traditionally the helmets were made of

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leather. So that's where that term comes from. Um so those are they do both hands-on trainings and um uh talking based I can't think of the word right now. >> Lecture that's the word. Yeah lecture uh

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based trainings. Um so I've I've gone to uh several of their trainings. I'm also signed up for next week to go to a uh aggressive command for aggressive firefighting training for two days in North Bridge. Um and yeah, I've been on

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the training committee in the department. So just trying to get as many people as we can on board with as much training as we can. Um just to try to hold everyone to as as high of a standard as we reasonably can. Um, so I'

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I've just been working on kind of a little bit here and there of all that stuff over the last year. And I was a little surprised when chief told me that he wanted to promote me because I didn't know when that was uh slated to happen. So that was a pleasant surprise and uh

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here we are today. >> So in addition and and again he's he's being modest. um in his 14 years experience uh with different departments started as a call firefighter in air Massachusetts um simultaneously was working full-time in Orange uh for nearly six and a half years. He's been

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with us for four years but he's also a hazmat technician and uh we've been trying to get him on the team. It's a very competitive team to get on. They've just had a merger so it might make it a little bit harder. Um but the goal obviously would be to have him develop into that as well too. So it's a huge

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asset for us to have that. um just the knowledge it's at the ready as well as the availability of training for our department for hazmat and the other things that he's involved in >> any >> um well we were

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we had the interview process almost like a year and a day ago right I think it came up last week that it was a year ago so >> um and I thought it was a very good interview process that we had at the time and um you know I think it was

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monumental for the fire department to to take on a a career lieutenant at that time and you know this kind of fits with the the overall planning that that we've been trying to drive at with with the development of the Southwick Fire Department and the career. Um you know I

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hope that we can continue down that path. I think um I think you're going to be excellent in this role. Um I I personally have had the opportunity to meet and speak with you on numerous occasions and you've never failed to impress me and and and uh what you're capable of doing. So um I

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think it's excellent and I'm I want to congratulate you and I don't know if we have to vote or whatever, but I'll congratulate you now and then get to the vote. But thank you. >> I think we have to make an appointment. I think it is it is an appointment. So, um, if you're willing to accept it, I'll

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gladly make a motion to, um, appoint Mr. Hurley. >> I'd be very happy to second that. And roll call Diane Galla, >> Doug Mglin. Yes. >> It was a very good first interview and >> thank you. >> A shorter well shorter for us second

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interview. Good. >> Very good. >> And appreciate you willing to step up and do that. >> Terrific. Glad you Thank you very much. Congratulations. You probably have a few pictures coming up momentarily. Don't go >> far.

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I guess so. Okay. >> Y'all don't get confused by who gets old. One more. I got it this time. >> Thank you. >> Uh, yes I did. All right. We're going to go a little bit out of

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order if that's okay. You guys have a long agenda. And if we can take Randy Austin next. >> And Randy is going to give us a little more information on the WGI Tiff.

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>> Okay. So, I attended the last meeting >> and I think you have to speak up because we might be a little bit >> high on volume today. >> All right. So I had attended the last meeting and I had some questions about the amount of the investment and the way things were looking but I had found out a lot more information

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since then and basically wanted were recommending that we're going to go with what they had. They had several independent uh contractors that had given their bids and they all came in around that same amount of the

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investment amount. And so that's what I had changed things to and based it on that investment amount. So um again with that 1520 uh average and estimated tax rate, I worked out the numbers again and

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I don't know if you have that in front of Yeah. Okay, good. You do. Okay. >> Yep. And so yeah, it would be a combined savings overall of the million98,960 over the life of the tiff >> over 10 years. >> Over the 10 years. Yes.

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>> That's building and property. >> Well, uh yes, it's building and property, but the property value sort of is not included because that's the base value that was there prior to the investment. >> And this is based on $12 million. >> Yes.

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And uh personal property remains the same. It's that 6 million figure, but it gets depreciated um on a a different Yeah. And a different rate and different scale. And so that's why it's adjusted. And I have that Yeah. the first year we're at 95%

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of the value. >> And so that's what I had based everything on. And um yeah, I think overall that it's a company that has been here and and has done well here and that we want to keep

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here and overall in the long run the addition to our tax base is going to be advantage >> and this made a lot more sense now. >> Yes. >> To me. So >> appreciate you doing that.

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>> No problem. It was uh um you know I you have to apologize a lot of the shortcoming was on me and it was information that I really should have found out before I got to that point but um I did get it straightened out and um we have the information in front of us now so >> that would be the important part

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>> the timing was a little bit tight so >> don't kick yourself over that was a short window to get a lot of information >> um but I I'm much happier with this >> illustration Now >> correct >> what just review again how do we

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um the annual process I know they're keeping up their end of their the and that's going to have to be monitored. Now there was a lot of uh changes that have happened recently with the acts of 2024 and so uh exactly whether it's

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through EDIP or EAC is it I think that's doing uh basically I think a lot of the monitoring of it is is is going to be best off handled inhouse as opposed to relying on what is said cuz I think that's the way they're running them now. And I did send out the IGR but I haven't

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read over every last example that they have in there. So, um it's something that I am going to get done along with our tiff policy. Um but I'll try and provide more information on as soon as I can. >> And that'll be for ongoing tips that are out there already.

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>> Yeah. Exactly. Or or any anything in the future. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, in the agreement, we'll have it in there that they will be reviewed annually and you know, there'll be compliance and reporting requirements um to make sure that the the jobs are

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being created and everything. If they're not, do do they default on that year or how's what's the penalty for not, you know, something changes in their business and they can't hire? Yeah. Or whatever. >> Um, so it's called a clawback provision and it it they would default and they

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wouldn't get that that discount. >> So >> in in that particular year, does that end the tip? >> That is a question I don't have the answer for. >> And so that's I might have a little bit more information. And what they would do is they would descertify the tiff as of

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that point and whether there's clawback at that point. I guess it would depend more on how the uh the business has uh behaved through the progression and how how long exactly how far off and how long it's taken and I have uh been in

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the mix when there was a descertification and it was due to them not and uh following through with their employment goals and um yeah like they were trying to take or even you know I I think what was happening is they're re

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relocating people from a different uh facility that closed down and saying, "Oh, we're, you know, we have these jobs." And it's like, "No, you're not creating those jobs. You're shuffling." Exactly. And that was part of why they ultimately were descertified. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Much better. Thank you. >> Okay. Excellent. Thank you, R. Thank you. This will so that information will be available for >> it'll be in the explanations >> the details >> you probably just and you're going to

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want to have this number at the tip of your tongue because someone always asks at the meeting what's the net value of the tiff we're going to have that in the >> right >> someone will still ask >> we'll point them to that >> and I would like to see too what they are paying I mean they're getting

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discounted >> yeah I actually thought of that too because that's part of it and that would be something interesting interestingness that here's what we're realizing from this new investment and how quickly we'll realize that the same right the other side of the coin so I can do that and I'll send that around you just do the other half of it right

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>> yeah exactly so that's I can add it to it and resend around this uh estimate >> okay >> sure that be great thank you very much appreciate it >> well done >> okay and then back up. We're going to go to um DPW can join us. We're going to

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talk about complete streets again. >> Rich go DPW. >> Well, first was the >> You don't want to play >> complete streets. >> He's got a haircut. >> I got to swim, right? >> You're doing great. >> So, the complete streets. So, we did

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have a policy template. Um we reviewed it. We went over uh some wording that we just changed a little bit to more make it more for Southwick and the DPWIS. >> Um I did present that to you guys in draft form. Yeah. >> And I guess really the next step would be you're okay and then after that it

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goes toward it goes to mass dot and they grade it on a score of 80 to 100. 80 is passing obviously but if it's below 80 they get they send it back to you >> right because you basically use the template. >> Correct. I just I just changed something. >> There were just a few insertions like

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where practicable, >> right? >> So that we had a little bit of leeway, >> right, >> or say in whether we found that practical or right. So those were I like those insertions. >> And they uh score it, they pass it, and

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the next step is the prioritization plan, which that's where we we'd end up making a list of the roads and all and whatnot and where we'd want to go with it. And then after that, that's when you can start getting funding for that 38,000 that I talked about to help build that prior prioritization plan. It's a

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good word. So that that step and then the next steps are all after that. But this is the first step step that we can go through, get the policy in, get it adopted as an administrative policy, I'm sorry, and uh make our next step from there. Any questions on how it was

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presented? >> No, it makes sense. I mean, we've been talking about it for a while. So, >> long as we got it refined with your concern that you open to >> I know like some of the practices like rehabilitation for roads and all that

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stuff's keeping within the the right away and all that and that that's allowed. So, it's >> it's not like scary in the sense that oh, we're having to change every road. No. And that's why I just wanted to make sure that the wording was there for us, but then definitely use it for where we can use it >> for certain aspects, certain roads.

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Do >> you need a motion from us? >> Any others concerns? >> Uh I Yeah, I still have a concern on on this overall program and um um I'll be

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the bad guy in the room tonight. It's generally tradition, especially on the eve of an election, that we don't make significant policy adoptions. um until after after an election. So, it would be my my

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opinion that we hold this until our next formal meeting after the board reorganizes after the election. That being said, I'm but one member on the select board. >> Well, what what's the difference for the policy?

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You're basically voting to adopt a con complete streets policy >> that we've been talking about for months. >> We have not taken a vote on it and heard >> like I said I am but one member. >> This was just my draft. I

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>> I was not You guys totally take a look at it again and come back. That's not an issue. I just knew we needed something to have to get the ball rolling. So that's where I started. Russ, what are your thoughts? >> Well, I mean, we it it came forward. We

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had concerns that we would weren't opening ourselves up to anything that we >> we asked that that be vetted. >> So, yeah, vetted. Go check it out. Uh economic development was also I won't say pushing it, but you know, a

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champion of it. Um, and they vetted it as well in various grants that were out there and we were cautious. My intention was you're you were going to investigate those cautions. >> Mhm. >> And what I'm hearing now is that you're

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coming back and those cautions aren't justified or they aren't as bad as you thought they were. >> I don't believe so. No. I think there there's avenues where you can use it and there's avenues where you don't need to. And it's really up to what we want to do with it. It's not a uh in my eyes, I I don't

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believe it'll be that detrimental to anything. Um where we do want to use it, we we ask and we put in for it. >> And >> now whether it needs to be >> if we choose to adopt this tonight, it still has to be submitted and scored above 80. >> Correct. So

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>> and then once scored if a project comes up >> well the next step would be that pri prioritization plan where we'd then get a list of the rows and what where we think complete street trees can be used that we get that to them and then that's where that that extra money from the

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grant can come in and help us make our plan >> because we had talked about it being part of a possible um Hudson Drive buildout somewhere in there. Yeah, it's probably that powder mill would be the first couple road.

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>> There was plenty of options. So, I don't I don't see the negative aspects of it if you're comfortable with it. I mean, >> I'm comfortable getting forward with it to at least get it into the DOT's hands and see what they how they view it on my end. >> And you have the right to reject it

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after I >> Yeah, I believe so. >> They come back at an 85 and say, "Well, you know what? We're not going to do it. >> They just won't submit projects." Right. Right. >> Right. >> And is that your understanding as well, John, >> in in the research you had done with

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>> to to be direct and blunt, I'm I did not investigate um a scenario, an exit scenario. Um you know, it's a question of uh in my perspective, what are we committing to? Um I think Rich did a good job identifying places where he interpreted

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vulnerability. Uh and with care and caution modifying some language to make sure we're very we're abundantly clear that we don't uh fall into expenses that we can't manage with our regular

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um street rehabilitation projects. Making sure that uh if it is re rehabilitation is business as usual. And with that being said, if there is a uh question of if there's a good backount whatnot, I can certainly look farther into that as well. Um I I was really

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just working on the policy draft. >> That's the question. And the question is the timing of making this decision. >> Well, it's not a bad question to ask, too. So you can be So what you're telling us is that we can be selective to what projects would be subject to

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complete streets or once you adopt a complete street policy within the confines of the program, you're you're in it. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's what the agreement says, >> right? >> But with that being said, I mean, I can certainly

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double check on the the ability to just not put in for him and you're okay and whatnot. I'm not. That's a great question. If there's a yearly, you have to put something in. That's a great question. >> I don't think I ever saw anything on

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that. >> There certainly is a threshold, if you don't mind me speaking for a moment. >> We're talking about new um subdivision projects that come into town. You know, that's a we're going to call it a non-negotiable. It has to be examined,

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right? Um there's nothing in here that mandates this is the course you you go we have to consider uh we're going to call it the complete street um options available if we go in for wholesale reconstruction Allah part of Miller road where we have you know utilities u

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changes to um road layout um and elevations that falls into consideration where you do consider um those complete street factors um >> and that's where the whether practical or

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our um road work um over at at Hulcom is planned um gargan terrace. So we're if you're managing the pavement layer um and to some degree some minor drainage changes that falls into category where we we aren't forced to consider.

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The policy does say that we will consider under under many cases, but you're not u uh beholden to any conclusion within that rehabilitation. >> And that's just if you want to use the complete streets program, right? If you

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want to use that funding, >> we don't want to use that funding. We're not going to build the rail trail, whatever. Like, you just don't use that funding source. The town where practicable will work to integrate complete streets principles

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and design elements into all public and private privately funded roadway projects. I was not trying to push a policy through at the last minute. I was trying to complete a policy so they could carry

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on and get funding wherever possible. Um, and I'm surprised you didn't mention this before tonight. if this was a problem for you.

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>> It's not a problem for me. I'm just stating >> what has been a long-standing tradition. >> Uh I didn't have any advice on that from anyone prior to tonight. >> Okay. >> So, if someone wants to make a motion to

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adopt, I will entertain a motion. I'll make a motion till adopt as suggested by Rich. >> Is there a second? >> I'll make the second roll call vote. Dang. I

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>> Doug Morgan will abstain. Anderson. Yes. >> Okay. So, we can we'll do whatever we have to do to formally adopt that resolution. Then work it gets submitted. We'll do >> the red jacks. Is that right? >> Sorry.

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>> The red jacks. Is it >> uh Grand Central? Grand Central. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Central. >> You need anything from me? >> Just let me know. >> Okay. Then next, uh funding availability

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for fiscal 25 and six projects for Ed Hulcom and South Longard Road drainage. So, >> so this is just a I believe we may have missed a signature a allocation from the select board back in July for a South

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Longard road drainage improvement. Um, we just want to make sure that we get that allocation so we can get push it through fin the erosion issue, >> right? >> It was just never okay back in July of >> Well, it was we approved $95,000 on 728.

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the you have bids now for 135 you or more defined work >> right >> that now are 135 so we need to approve the additional 40 >> out of funed at all >> am I correct

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>> what's funny is that the minutes don't reflect u that effort although I think we all remember very clearly >> yeah right >> minutes yes they do >> um so >> in a combined statement after we discussed and it said >> south bombard drone somehow escaped it or I did a bad job. If you don't mind

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the additional that's >> entire 135. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> A clarifying motion. >> Yes. >> And that's from a bid from engineered design. >> Uh these are true. Several costments have been uh provided and looking at a

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encompassing project as well as worsening erosion. >> And how soon can that start? just by the end of the month maybe in June 1 >> formatting and all that. I know you were >> Yeah, conservation was Yep. They're all set. Everything's all good on that. It was just more or less the final signature I guess is what we were

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looking for. >> I will make that motion then 135 >> 135 $135,000 >> which replaces our previous >> 95 >> 95,000. I'll second

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>> Dang. I Doug Mglin. Yes. >> And Sanders and that was from last year's the money's >> correct. >> That you're just reproportion. >> Yeah. Well, this year. Yeah. >> Six >> 26 months. >> Yeah. >> Right. So that was South Longard.

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>> And I believe we just want to make sure that we're okay to allocate at Hulcom Road Pavement Reclamation Project. The bid came in at 590,000. We're going to go through chap use chapter 90 money that we have or the town has chapter 90 funds. >> Was that number higher or lower than

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>> a little higher? >> So we had approved for 90 back in July. That was the estimate at the time. >> So if you want to do the same thing, we'll just reapprove for the entire >> Sure. We'll uh

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>> No, I'm just what what does it affect? Because obviously if we're using the same well, it's getting a little more empty as the numbers go up. >> We'll talk about that in a second. >> Okay. >> Or I can talk about that before we vote if you like. >> No, no, no. That's fine. >> Might be a good idea.

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>> We had on the estimate and Doug's list, we had 1 million8 with an estimated 350 from chapter 90. what we had agreed to back in July was a

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million110. So we did not assign about $689,000. >> Okay, >> which we can do or they can now prioritize that balance.

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>> Okay, >> so we we have that for this 590, >> right? because I think when we started this we didn't know the chapter 90 and it came in at 615 I think was >> where higher so

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>> and the the Granville road drainage is off of next year's money or left over from this year's money we don't >> there's any left over but we have to make sure that we can use it correctly via chapter 90 or just allocated so that

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we have chapter 90 money that's still available so we just wanted to use some of that up before there's still older funds 24 and 25 had some. Then we have the 26 aortionment. >> So then before we make a larger mess of the minutes, I'll make a motion to

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allocate 590,000 to the Ed Hulcom Road reconstruction project. >> Second. >> Roll call. Vote. Dang. I >> Doug Mglin, yes. >> Russ Anderson, yes. >> Can you get multiple bids on them, please? >> Not that one.

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So also in July the rest of what we did approve was 420 for garden terrace the powder mill road there was a rural grant that required 25 spent >> 30 yeah 25 or 30 that's

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>> and then 80 for cracking and that was the composition is our 1.1. >> Okay. >> So do you need a confirming motion for that just to keep all the books right? I I I guess what are you doing with the grant? >> The grant

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I don't I'm sorry to stall. >> No, the Oh, sorry. The requested grant uh that match it was not awarded. So those funds are no longer required. >> Okay, >> that's got 30,000. >> That's correct. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. And then pract the rest were monumented with the minutes and >> and Gargon's good to go for this year paving season. Well, then I think that's going to come up on your next >> So, that is we're going to be going out to bid hopefully by the end of this week with that and then that will go in the

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bid process. We'll see what we get back for that one and then we'll go from there. It was earmarked as 420,000 from last year's previous director's uh estimates. So, we'll see how that >> right whether it was following that

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whole major re reconstruction. I don't I don't believe we'll have to go to any of that though. So hopefully it comes back a little less. >> Are you bidding it to both ways or >> we're going to bid it and of basically a complete mill out with a binder and a top coat put back in. So it's a little

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less uh stingent on what right as Ed is with um full depth. >> Okay. Good on those. >> Beautiful. Okay. >> Thank you. And then moving on the assessments

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prioritization. >> Yes. And with so what I handed you guys Friday I had I updated a little bit to reflect some moving around with funding from this year and

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next year. Oh, this is also just kind of a draft form to see how you see where you guys are sitting on some things as well. Essentially, data presented us with a three-year preliminary draft CIP

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and I updated to reflect one if the funding is allocated at town meeting for the million and then we currently are $684,000 I believe coming from chapter 90 for this 27. So that gives us our 1.6 six if

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the town votes for that. So, I was updating our CIP to reflect some of these other roads into it to help get a better idea of where we can go. So, also in doing this a little bit of a

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draft, we still had leftover chapter 90 money from previous years. So that actually bumps our total available value up for I'm sorry this 26. So 26 my math is right and it's going to hold

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you did our chapter 90 back today. >> Okay. So this is when we had July updated >> right. So as of right now we still have the 1 million from last year 26 25 is meeting but 26 is money that was untouched per accounting and then

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everything else is what we have chapter 90 still sitting. Now obviously we're going to use some of that for Ed Hulcom and you can see the South Longard Gargan various cracks and a little drainage project I believe was okay for 30 uh Granville Road and that holding

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obviously we're going to go to bid out with Gargan and then that's 1.255 255 on the back side. Sorry. It'll show where if that was holding I was going to incorporate the metal lane dairy stage coach into

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this cycle and that way >> that's sorry that's um 26 money >> right. Yep. This is all new. >> No. Yeah. >> All right. >> Right. That's where >> with what we had not allocated plus the

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increase. So it takes it off the top of the right beta's 27. That's >> right. And then that's what was right. So I added >> Sorry, I wasn't even thinking about >> Oh, so >> right. So I I updated the list to reflect the red obviously is tentative

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except for the 135 now and you know chapter 90 to 80,000 but I did add incorporated the metal lane the Darian stage coach for this. So if we were able to go for it, we'll try to get that out with Gargan as well for these funds. That was my recommendation.

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>> And then for 27, I updated the reflect other roads in in lie of matching amounts from metal lane and whatnot to get us back to where next year where if that 1.6 holds, we're kind of right in the same ballpark again

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theoretically. >> Okay. So, >> I'm sorry. >> No. And you don't have the fair share number yet for 26? No, we just had the chapter 90 with the supplemental. That's all that we I believe we that's all that the DOT came

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back to us so far with unless that comes down a little later. >> Okay. And as I say, this can always be moved, changed, whatnot. >> The only >> I'd say that we got the firm was on the shorter list, the first footage.

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That was one be one of my questions was the um on the 28th list, >> correct? >> The original one you had um Point Grove, which we talked about. You know, I get a lot of complaints from the state line. She had Bfield.

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>> Yep. >> Um, but this one also said country club, which >> well, this was kind of grouped together via beta and as a group, so your mobilization is less >> I I understand that deeper >> for the people listening. Can you

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give me the same explanation how your list melded with >> debate of prioritization, how you group, >> right? So the beta the beta program they they put it together with uh I'm trying to keep it with a little bit of everything. So you got your major

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reconstruction, your rehab rehabilitation, your minor, all that and still get our the bang for our buck to get our cumulative score running higher every year and not losing. So what it was was put together as grouping it in a way that way your mobilization and all that you cut down the cost of that. So

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we're getting more bang for our buck by doing say sheep pasture right into Point Grove Road. You're already there. you can grab country club and you can run right to connect line and then that whole is section is done. Depot Street. However, because of that condo project, I was kind of leerary of putting that in

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there for all the amount of work. >> And then on 29, it was like a South Longard Road, Foster, Matthews, just areas that are already low scoring, but they're grouped luckily right in the same area. You can literally try to get a B for obviously 29 can change and anything else.

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>> Yeah. And then incorporating those bigger sections, but also still getting some other roads that are in the area that are less that maybe are less uh the process to fix them can be different too. We're not saying we have to full depth everything. We don't have to micro seal everything, but and then

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continually keep crack sealing in there to stay on the roads that have already done because within five to seven years you're going to have cracks on everything. >> The inflation factor in this was there one >> or is this all at today? Is that on these? >> I think the real true ground,

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>> right? That's up. So, I look at their numbers and I put them in. I just I'm not sure if they're going to be quite as accurate as what they >> And you said their numbers don't take into account what you know under the certain right as well. >> They're really just looking at like your milling overlays. It's all they're

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doing. So, we're not I mean, >> and that's where we got to keep some of these. I don't want to say keep, but we'd like to allocate some of the funding too to to continue like the Granville Road drainage because we can stay on the DOT's eyes and then all our other little projects that we might need. I mean, water manes, anything

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drainage. >> Mhm. >> So, it's kind of trying to meld all that together. >> Well, where I would gone with the I know we talked about the the Fernwoods, the pineywoods needing it badly and that's a lot older neighborhood than country club. So that that's I understand the

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mobilization and it might make those sense but >> no no and that's kind of why I kind of put it back to where it was because it really just you're they're there. They can come right come right out, you know, especially if we're doing a mill overlay. I mean they can just run a whole five miles, you know, then they come back, they top coat it.

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>> Now have there been any economies I know you're going out the bid on some of them and then should um monies pass at the town meeting. Is there any economies with putting those bids together? >> I I would like to think so. We group

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them like that. You mean? Yeah. >> Yeah. I I would like to think that >> once you got 27, you got 26 money. You got all that project, you know? >> Right. There's probably a ways to do that. But in sense when we do go to bid out, we'll probably bid it group to try to get the bid >> for that for what you have scheduled out

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for that year as a >> the whole try that. >> Okay. >> I It's your best bet for mobilizing. And as you were talking about FY27 in these roads, are you thinking of calendar 26 like between July and

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November or you think >> at this point? No. At this point, knowing what we have with the chapter 90, I think we're going to really try to push the jargon and if it's allowable, Metal Lane area to get that in between before this fall because usually like September 30th, give or take, is

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>> you're kind of getting close. But so we can get these bidded out quick enough and there's an appetite for it. Hopefully we can get the decent bids back, get them on the on the on the schedule. >> You need to get those bids out quickly cuz that's fiscal 26 that needs >> right. I mean, we bargain we were working on, but then after going through

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and seeing where we have more chapter 90 money that we'd like to try to use up, that's where we came to um >> chapter 90 can be used through multiple years. Correct. >> It's not held over. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Because there is there is older, you know, 25 money chapter 90. So, but the idea is

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that we have it. So >> yeah, get get it done. >> Exactly. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And obviously that it it can change. We can move things. Um like on 27 we also have we we incorporated some covert

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match because we do have a couple coverts that are going to be ready to go. We're just going to need to maybe try to match some funding to see if we can get construction grants for them. And at least if we're if we're always pushing with it looks better instead of having things just sitting there and brand seed that we're pushing for it and all there.

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>> So under this revised plan FY20 the metal lane dair lane stage coach would get done before fall. >> That is my plan to get the bids out. >> Oh it doesn't fall apart again. >> Right before that's my plan. Yeah I if I can get them out then we don't have to worry about them for the winter or for

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15 plus years. >> Yeah. >> That's that is the way I'm looking at I hope we can get them out quicker. That way we can get uh competitive bids on them before the end of the year. >> If I remember right, I thought Beta can help you with that. I'll >> follow and so on. >> I'll follow up with that. And I I mean luckily I think metal lines going to be

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the same as Gargan. We'll be I think the bases are okay. It's just the black top was just bad. And then you know they can grade fill in where we need to and get a good binder down with a top coat and make it smooth. >> Cool. You can check the base because you can pretty much see it all along meadow.

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Now, >> just >> I think the base is okay. >> No, I get it. Well, you know, you'll have to see. >> It's a goldfish. You got to watch out for >> um or golf balls at the from the gentleman from WGI. Um just looking at

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the >> Yeah, it matched exactly. All right. So, just looking at the numbers that I had back from last year. >> Mhm. it matches up exactly. So, we just need to know what the fiscal year, which we haven't seen

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it yet, the 2026 fair share, right? >> And then if if there is a fiscal year 26 fair share supplemental because there was two last year from fair share and fair share supplemental and then there was a fiscical year 25

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rural roadway funding outside of chapter 92. I don't know if there was one for fiscal year 26. >> I did not see any in our >> I haven't seen one for 26, but that's I think it might be related to >> 24 fair share carryover. So some I think some were used for

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something. It just was not >> Yeah, I think your your number and what I had in here are are they're off by 30 cents. So 30 cents on 2.3 2.23 million, right? Um

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just looking at where we got to that 2.236 correct those were in there. So if there's I don't know where if or when we'll see the fiscal year 26 fair share number because we're you know we're coming to the end of fiscal year

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26. Like I said, we haven't seen anything from even when we uh >> because I don't know if that helps you at all. If you go to bid and you were able to pull, let's say you were able to pull >> uh the fiscal year 20

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25 fair share was, you know, was 83,000. >> That was a supplement. >> Um >> I don't even have it in here what the fair share amount was. Do we? not 24. >> And I don't know if um we did get more chapter 90,

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>> right, >> than um I wonder if that was something they did. It's a good question to ask. >> Ranger knows that as an HVAC technician, the heat is on you every day. your first call >> little sponsor theory,

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>> but you know, >> if you know if it's a h 100,000 bucks or something that you would help you pull something >> a portion of a project forward or some design work for another project, something teed up for whatever. I like

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how you've done the um you know the the groupings, right? So hopefully you can get a bunch bid together and do it. You know, even though it may look, to your point, Russ, it may look like Country Club might be a little out of order, but I get it because if you do it for half the price,

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>> then if you went back two years later to do it and it's double because you have to remobilize and they don't just knock out and it's a relatively short street as >> 500 feet or something, >> right? Small and same with South Lumis and Vining Hill. I mean, if we're going to do have that from College Highway to Pearlbrook where that covert is, they

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can just go right up. We can get the other end of South UIS and then we can have South Lumis is basically been all done in the last three to five years. >> So, it's kind of trying to group it. >> Vining Hill, are you going to gate it based on that covert project or do you think that'll be okay >> through the cover on either side of it?

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Are you going to come up from college? >> Yeah. Or we come wherever wherever the design states the limits of the culvert are. We'd obviously come up at least get that bad section due to the uh where it's really covered with trees get past that and get up to the culvert wherever we need to be and then that's that section. Then obvious of course the

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following year and the next you know we can think about the rest of it and incorporate something on the west end of town >> be still going through. >> When the culver >> that is that's the next uh >> coming up in one question. So, a lot of these other projects that we've done over the last

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two years, um, they were kind of a three-year, three-stage project, and I imagine Vining Hill might look like that, too, right? Where you're going to get in there, you want to do that tree work if you can to make the canopy. >> That's where it becomes more and that's where these numbers I don't think give

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the justification of all the >> from from the complete streets part. I don't think they really took a lot of that into account, the ancillary work that's got to happen. So that's going to have to balance out here when you you get in there. Like Vining Hill, it doesn't make sense to everyone will

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disagree with me, but it doesn't make sense to pay that road now because you'll be doing it again in five years if we don't fix up that canopy and or some of the drainage issue there that's causing that >> eruption there on uh Vining. >> Not bad. Yeah. >> Um >> so it's it's good money to

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>> or good investment to do the work. Ed Hulcom's going to be a a picture perfect example of that, right? when you're done, that's going to be good for a while. You did all the tree work, you did the drainage work, now that pavement has a chance. >> And and that's the thing, too, is trying to make sure the funding is there to do

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these extra little things, and it's still >> I would categorize them as extra. I think they're >> they're kind of important to the overall thing. There are roads that we can get in now. You know, Meadow is one of them. It's not really treated. That just the pavement's given up, right? That one probably pretty good. Even Fernwood,

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Birchwood, most of that, that's not really heavily treated. It's just the pavement's just worn out, right? It's been there since the, you know, 50s, 1950s. >> So, those might be right, spot on. But some of these other projects might this number might be a little misleading at

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this time because you've got other work to get in there to preserve this dollar amount investment that you're going to put on the road at P. >> Right. >> So, absolutely. >> So, I think you're looking for us to give you an approval for $811,920.

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811,920 >> correct >> for me lane dair lane and state road out of the fiscal 26 road monies >> correct move >> is there any contingency on that or

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>> well it would we'd have >> to like the absolute dollar >> but we'd have the room for the 26 fair share that we don't have yet that's going to be in there >> oh so this is a leftover year >> that >> he's programming money that we already have. He doesn't have the 26 fair share

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which will roll in the 27's >> math and we get to it. >> I just mean for these three roads. >> Yeah, I think he's okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, my math it was still higher, but that that's what we were going to go with. And if there is left over, we just use it. >> And with those roads, there's not a lot

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of the underground work. >> No, a lot of that we're going to do do our due diligence. >> We're a good estimate. >> I just had to come short, that's all. Okay. So that was that needed a second. You're good. >> Roll call about Dang. I >> Doug Min. Yes.

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>> Russ Anderson. Yes. One question though, just this would be for you, Nicole. And the $2 million that you have on your list there or we have a million. We have a million in this chapter 90. Is that sitting in our bank?

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>> Yeah. And when the interest on that does that stay in that money or is that the interest go back to >> general fund >> general fund? Okay. So the the roadway money doesn't grow because we haven't touched it for a year. >> No, I mean it grows in a sense for the

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entire time >> not for the road project. Okay. >> Right. >> Some of it ends up rolling back when you roll free cash into something there. Sure. So, and and uh we're not going to quibble over the 32 cents.

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>> I know some that will. >> Okay. Glad we talked about that. >> Thank you. >> All right. And then next, we're good on that. >> Uh yes. >> And next is the community one spot growth project selection and seeking

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board support. And I think it's >> good evening everybody. Uh so hot off of a phone call with uh with Pineb

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um who is the current contractor for the Viney Hill Road um Prob Brook Colbert and the Slybrook cover over Tener Road uh and also the small bridge uh project over on um excuse me Granville Road. Uh

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I took that opportunity today. I was glad they were able to share some time with us because I wanted to drill in. Uh beginning of June is the deadline for uh grant submissions through the onetop for community growth program. Um

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essentially a massworks umbrella. The catch term under that is growth, right? Um, I wish I could I really wanted to um beat up uh the colleague on the phone and find ways in particular to find

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fresh ways to support the powder mill growth project. I think there's a lot of merit in that particular project. Uh ultimately it doesn't unlock new opportunities from a growth standpoint. um which is the feedback we got last year and sometimes it warrants you know

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throwing things in for a new cycle. Um but the dollar amounts that are needed to work on that project where we are considering underground utilities as well as surface improvements um just can't be supported through uh that program. So, I mentioned this out loud because I've had perhaps some sad

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conversations about some of the turnkey projects where we have blueprints, we have permits in hand, trying to find the right spending sources and the right opportunity to pull triggers. Um, but to try to keep things a little bit uh more controlled for conversation purposes, uh the where we landed was looking at those

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two um town managed projects. the Granville Road small bridge project is a mass DOT um governed project where time bond centuries reporting straight to them. Uh but for Vining Hill Road and Tanner Road

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last year it was under the community one stop for growth um where we received the design and permitting awards. uh one was through um the rural communities rural development fund, excuse me, and the other one was a derivative of the uh

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strap um grant program where um through certain through our population intensity self testing qualifications. So the merit that was uh shared with me and I I I was able to get on board was you know these programs um saw fit as Rich

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mentioned earlier to commit those funds um to Southwick um for the design and burning permitting processes. We're wrapping that up with conservation speak one is uh fully complete. The only was waiting on a few DP comments to come back in. Um and I expect that's going to

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be concluded uh without issue. We're completing things within budget and on time. Um, I think these are good opportunities for uh those grant awarding authorities to, you know, look at them, look at the next step, um, and see if, um, if they're

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willing to step up and support us for some construction. Uh, as Rich mentioned, um, within our, um, crystal ball, looking forward for future year budgets, we do need to set aside some funds. Um, for example, if we're so

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lucky to um receive an award through the rural development fund, they've got a cap of about $500,000. So there's and that goes a long ways in terms of uh either coal replacement. Um, but we do have to set aside some funds for uh the development of construction

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specifications and the construction administration uh component of that. So uh rough and tumble we have you know we are looking at some FY 27 set aides as Rich mentioned but anyway so the two projects I have for you uh that I would like to request your authorization to

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proceed with some program um are the um coverts for Johnny Hill Road and Tanner Road >> and that is to apply for those grants. >> Yes. with the understanding that the town is willing to commit. Uh I picked a

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slightly conservative figure of $150,000 um to bring that maximum under the rural development fund up to a range where we knew that science bond would be able to continue with the process um uh and

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administer the construction component. 150 town cost >> 150 town cost or an optimistic or but hopeful um half million through that particular program. Um as I chatted with Dan there's two separate programs that

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funded the design and engineering um for both these coverts. So the idea is let's um throw our hat back in the ring. Um, and I wish to have the difficult conversation with uh the select board of being awarded two grants and to come up

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with >> we have to find out where to get the 150. I just want to throw it out there. I was noticed as in a butter for the Vining Hill project. I don't know if that means anything for voting. I don't think I'm dissimilarly situated. I'm a quarter mile from that bridge, but I'll

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throw it out there. So, we're a little ahead of I mean customarily I'm coming in here our grant applications are hot being prepared um and the deadline is the next day. Uh but I recognize that May's a busy month. I'd like to have this discussion now. Um I

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do have a letter if anyone is interested in um planning this evening. Uh all it indicates is what the program is and what the two culprits are. But uh I'll leave it to your >> It doesn't and it doesn't prevent using for any other community one stop. >> No. Uh, so the funny thing is there's no

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there's no cap on this. >> I don't see the downside either really. >> We don't either because we we know we have to find money for these projects. >> We've got we've gotten a lot of >> we've gotten the MVP grants and other grants for culverts over the years. So

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>> very lucky and >> and these are going to be fiscal 27. So we will go through that exercise again with the total monies and know we have those to match >> and it technically would be chapter 90 eligible even under

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if you need to get the one to 150 out of the chapter 9027 allocation you could certainly do it. Are you looking for a motion for that? >> They would like one. Yes. >> Yes. >> I'll put a motion out there for to submit those two grants applications

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then. and raise two uh one-stop grant applications for the coverts at Vining Hill and Tannery. >> Tannery second >> roll call Dangel I >> Doug Moin yes >> Sanderson. Yes. >> Thank you. Thank you. Great to have your support. Yes.

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>> One question on the um the growth fund. You said you weren't we didn't qualify for that. >> So what uh what Powder Mill didn't do was unlock new opportunities for commercial and residential growth. Um the Bassburg program really likes to see

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uh job creation um a business uh development so on and so forth and uh as as many merits as the Powder Mill Road project has, it's just not the right fit uh under the Mass Works component which generally has the larger dollar amounts that are needed to support that scale

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project >> and they don't consider um recreation as growth. more access to recreation with everything that goes on there from the schools to the motocross to the park. >> It probably doesn't carry enough points. >> It bothers me greatly, but I can at

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least say that uh Dan Holmes's conversation with me over Tybon um unfortunately mirrored the same as their artificial intelligence expression of interest response saying, "Nope, it's just that's not the right fit." Uh Doug mentioned the Hudson Drive and Sam West

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Road connector project. in my mind. >> That's a mass works project. >> That's right. Outside. >> Oh, they said the quiet part out loud again. That's a mass works project if there ever was one. Right. Yeah. >> We have some more um you know survey and legal tasks to do before we're ready to bring it forward. But uh if you ever

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heard of one a mass project that that is it. >> Yeah. Absolutely. We had done one for the last time I think that we were even close to being in the running for Matt's works was Congaman

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sewer. We wanted to bring the sewer down Congam to get it down to Big Y and the the crossings and even that didn't have a significant enough economic development impact to sway them to >> Okay. Yeah.

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>> Okay. That's what else go back there. >> You've done pretty good so far. You got anything else? >> Thank you so much for your work. >> All right, then back to the agenda. We are going to acknowledge and approve the

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American Legion Post 338 application for parade permit on May 25th, 2026. And that would be provided we get the uh police and fire sign offs received. >> I'll second the motion conting us

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getting the that stuff, but with all the other stuff we got going on, who knows when we're going to meet in time to do that. >> Correct. So, roll call vote D. >> Doug Mogin. Yes. >> Sanderson. Yes. >> Okay. And then we're going to acknowledge two master plan completions.

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Um if you agree to agree these are from the planning board. They were submitted as complete to the master plan implementation committee. They determined met the criteria and sufficient documentation. Planning board has already met and approved them as complete.

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The first one is for land use action 1.1 performing zoning diagnostics for readability and content organization. Um and the planning board has um responded that that is all in process in their

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modernization project and they will incorporate the open space recreation plan recommendations for climate and largecale solar um in that process. The second one is planning boards land

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use 1.2 to consider the creation of other committees to assist with 1.1 that I just talked about and they have submitted that rather than a committee the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission put together the work group that is moving along with the diagnostics of

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readability definitions organization. no substantive changes to the bylaws, just ease of use and the start of the community survey that will lead to more recommendations in the actual zoning change recommendations that would go

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before town meeting. Um, so those are there to request to sign these things complete if you agree and to have me sign those and submit them to the master plan committee.

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>> Motion for the chair to sign. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. Diane Gail. I >> Doug Mo. Then we need two of last time we met or the time before we um agreed to the open space and

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recreation plan committee. The plan uh the conservation commission has met and designated Dennis Clark as their member. Um, so I'm looking for a motion to appoint Dennis Clark for the initial term 51126 to 63026 and then we'll get

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all of them picked up for the 10-year term of the OSRP um next time we go through appointments. >> So second >> roll call vote Dian Gale I >> Doug Mone yes >> Anderson yes. So again, at that future,

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actually at at the 61 select board meeting, we should probably retroactively appoint Connor Flurry, Philip Price, and Martha Kaine. Those are the three open space land management that are part of the OSRP. So we should get those at least for that interim

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term, and then refresh everybody. Um, so can you just make sure that carries on the agenda? What does >> I'll tell you. I'll tell you after. Pay attention. >> Could you repeat that part between good afternoon and have a good evening? Watch Fred.

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>> I won't let it go. Don't worry. Um, okay. And then other new business. Did you have something? >> I did. That's what I was just reading. >> Okay. So, she was getting ready for the next item. >> Cover. So, there's a land manage uh land

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management grant for the OSRP to begin their um um review of the >> the assistance grant to help them write it. >> The assistance grant helped them write the plan and I just got it today. Um and

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it needs a signator. It needs a signature and I am I'm not an authorized signatory. So, and it's only a couple thousand dollars has to be spent by June 30 and then a few more is into June uh FY27. So, if I could have a motion to

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have the chair sign this grant application because she is the signatory um to spend this money by June 30th of 26, >> which we have. >> We It's been approved. It's just it needs a signature and I am not a

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signatory. So >> So moved. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> Roll co Anderson. Yes. >> Okay. >> Then moving on to old business. I just wanted to mention the right of first refusal on 177 Claus Anderson wrote the

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chapter 61. Again, not all parties have submitted, but so far I don't know, more than half have. >> It's just historical. >> Is that all that's outstanding? Yeah. And um that's more than half. >> It's more than half of those that are required to approve it. So we could

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approve it and let them get on with their transaction tonight if you care to or wait for the stragglers. >> Has has historical given you any indication that they're waiting for something or >> No, I don't I think they just haven't

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met forgot it on their last agenda. >> I don't know. But everyone else has expressed no interest. Yeah. >> For the town to apply. >> Do you know when they're meeting there? >> No. >> Carrot for the consent. We're going to have a consent agenda next week, right? Okay.

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>> For there. I'll reach out. I'd like to let the people >> No, agreed. Agreed. And we've done a good job of following the process here. There's no sense to >> And the owner knows the owner's come in. We I've talked with her. She knows that we have until July. We weren't taking

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until July. >> She's fine. She just said there are purchase and sale agreements. >> Contingent. >> And you will contact them then? >> Yes. >> All right. Thank you. Uh and then under miscellaneous

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correspondence, we were notified of the official Memorial Day parade Tuesday 5:26 lineup starting at 9:15 a.m. Parade beginning at 10 a.m. at the summer house hill down to the war memorial on the town green and then

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continuing in vehicles to the old cemetery and a short service at the new cemetery night. >> We're having a parade on Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day. >> It's the day it is Memorial Day. >> Monday.

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>> Monday is the 25th. Tuesday is the 26th. >> What did I say? There's got to be a typo 26th on there, but that's Tuesday when we >> Monday's the holiday. >> That must be a typo. It's always on Memorial Day. >> What about the application?

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>> We approved that, didn't we? >> I know. >> What did it say on the application? It can go >> in a during work. >> Wait a minute. >> Where is the application? I haven't the time yet. >> Yeah, >> if

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>> maybe >> right >> 25th is 25th. There you go. >> But this says 26. It's my fault. And I said Tuesday because it was 26. >> So it is 5:25. >> Glad we cleared data. >> Good catch.

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Or we're all going to show up on Tuesday morning and no one's going to be there. >> I'll be at work. >> Okay, good catch. Be >> by myself. Um, also >> and with no police cover, you're gonna get run over. >> That guy walking down the road.

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Um, Haven, the dispensary that'll be opening soon has community outreach meeting scheduled for, let me check that, 52026 at 700 p.m. at their location at 681 College Highway. That is to discuss

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their plans for medical marijuana sales. Um, anything else? Sudden rise of Okay. Then we need to acknowledge and approve executive session minutes from March 16 and 23 and

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April 6 and 27. So, give us a few minutes while we read. We want to just do one at a time. You want to read them all at once? >> Send them. >> Send them. in order so we can remember. That's good. They are in order. We're picking

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up on this now. They're doing a good job. >> You're doing a better job. >> Oh, >> holy. >> Oh, wow. Thank you. >> Getting a pile. >> I took the paper out for you. I didn't

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get hurt this time. Ready? >> Yeah. >> I'll make a motion for the March 16th, March 23rd, and April 6th executive session minute. Um

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I only have one question is I was not excuse myself for one of them with the insurance. >> I don't know if we can >> Okay. >> Oh, that's right. >> I'll do one more time. >> I did the first one. Um not the

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27. >> Uh you were not here when they were in person, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. I said that would have been the 23rd. Yeah. >> All right. So, I guess you got to do those monitors. >> Okay. Make a motion for the minutes of March the 16th.

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>> Roll. I move. Yes. >> Russ Anderson. Yes. >> Make a motion for March 23rd as amended. Then >> I'll just >> I'll just I'll make a make a note here

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that you left the room that >> for that session. >> So I'll roll Dan Galla. >> Doug Mgan. Yes. >> Both. >> And I'll make a motion for the executive

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session minutes of April the 6th. Okay. >> Roll call vote. Dangel I. Doug >> win. Yes. >> Anderson. Yes. >> Uh, and I'll make a motion to table the minutes of April 27th. And I have a

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question. I want to take them offline. Let me come back to it for next Tuesday. >> If that's okay. >> Yeah. You want to hand those back? >> I'll give these their notes in here with what I >> Okay.

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Thank you. >> Okay. And then acknowledge payroll warrant number 2626 dated May 4th, 2026 in the amount of 37,246.13. And then just a couple other things. We have elections tomorrow. All polls are

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open 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. We are talking about next select board meetings. There's no regular meeting on 5:18. It'll be a consent agenda on 519 before the special town meeting and annual special town meeting begins

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promptly at 6:15 in the high school auditorium followed by the annual town meeting. There is no regular select board meeting for Monday, May 25th, because that is the Memorial Day holiday. And I hope to see everybody back here at

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the regular select board meeting on June 1st. >> And don't forget the spit up was moved by a week about that. Yep. That's this >> the land trust. >> Yep. From 9 to 11. >> So we're done. >> So we're done.

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>> Anything else? >> Do we have executive tonight? >> We do. Yes. >> Anything else before we >> move on? Motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> And then we I need a motion to go into executive session pursuant to mass

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general law chapter 30A section 21 number three to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares not to

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reconvene in open session. Second >> vote. Yes. >> Mr. Mlin left the room. I think he gave a fountain film.

