The water commission meeting is called to order October 16, 2025 at 6 PM and this meeting is being recorded. We >> got John Kane signing. >> Chairman of Johnson here. Commissioner Dave Mler present.
>> Mr. Kaine is signing at the moment. Jo second if you want to hold on second, Mr. Chair. Okay. Sure. All set. Nope. I'm sorry. That was Sure. Okay, John, can you hear us? >> Perfect. Yes, he can respond. So, we can
proceed. Thank you, Mr. Chair. All right, public comment. Ed Norm, >> I mean Norm. Yeah, >> Nora from master plan implementation committee
>> also on conservation commission in lake management. Uh your normal liaison, uh Jessica Taylor, um had to resign her her day job. They're too busy. So uh we divided up
her leaison wishes and you inherited me and uh so I have John and TPW and the water commission together and tree warden too. >> I'm a lucky guy. We're all lucky.
>> So right now we you know we've we've put the measurement package together. We put the package together that showed how to change the master plan, whether you wanted to cancel an item, modify an item, transfer an item. Um, and now we're asking each each of
the lead organizations to put together a a a plan on implementation of their action items. And the water commission has one action item about copy of the form we're hoping to get filled out
plus that one action item which has changed since it first came out. The um couple of key points to recognize here is that year one is tied to the fiscal calendar of the town. So there's eight
months left in and the year one. Okay. We're advising everybody to be conservative because it takes longer than you expect, particularly when you decide to bring in the support groups. You also maybe only meet once a month or
even less than that. It takes takes time to get things done as you're well aware. Uh but the the one action item that that you have is on page two that have modified when we did our review of the entire master schedule
master plan. There was two almost identical items. One was given to you, which is the top one on there. And the other one very similar to that was given to the select board, and we decided to cancel the first one
and we modified the second one that the modifications is is in in red. Um, and I think I we should have received this modification before tonight's meeting. Should have been months ago.
So anyways, do you mind if I read that action item out loud for Mr. Kane who's online at the moment? Uh just in case he doesn't have this in front of him. Uh so the action item uh for the water commission to lead is to establish a multic community aquifer advisory
committee that is inclusive of all towns that tap into the aquifer located in Southwick to regularly address drinking water quality issues, water restrictions, groundwater protections and regulatory changes including further restrictions on all types of development
in these areas and provide education about groundwater protection. ction and adverse effects on the aquifer. Sorry for interrupting. >> No, I forgot about the online person. So, we're hoping that you will say that
you will tackle this project and we're estimating that it'll be completed in year X. You decide what year X is. Well, let me say this. We're freezing the first two years. So, if you said you
were going to do it in year two, you're going to be held accountable from the measurement package standpoint to complete it in year two. And uh at the start of next year, which is July 1st, you'll have an opportunity to respread anything beyond two years
out. Okay? So, we're only freezing two years at a time. So you'll have time to you can reschedu anything after that. Okay. So you'll have to decide how long is this this will take you to do. In my
estimation it's it's it's not a one-year project. You know >> we got a lot on our plate right now. >> Yeah. When you got you got to factor that in. >> Yeah. Because we lost barrel and John and Rich are trying to do everything. I think we already talked about this um a
few months ago that when we first talked about it, we talked about this action item with Randy and we already are members of a conglomerate of local water authorities including West Springfield I believe that deal with this issue
already and we had almost kind of closed this action item out. >> I can You're all broken up, John. >> I'm sorry. I'm in the car, but >> I can paraphrase John if you want. >> Yeah, if you could hear what I said, please. >> Sure. I I think I picked up what you
were saying. Uh so during Ry's tenure, uh it appears that the water commission at least looked at the one that was initially assigned >> uh to them. And here's where I'm a little fuzzy. John, I'll look for you to to uh shore it up. Um I think you were
saying that right now there's a a multic community or at least some collaborative effort um that joins well in particular West Springfield and Southwick together um to help look at these aquifer related
affairs. Is that was that close John? Yeah, not specifically just a aquifer, you know, but the water systems in general for all the other regulatory issues and whatnot, >> right? >> But I believe I I can't remember
>> specifically what the organization was called or the name of the group, but Randy in that meeting and it if >> sounded like we were already doing those kind of items that needed to be done. >> That's correct. Yeah. I can't remember the name of the I can't reme name of the
organization either. Uh so maybe John you can look back in the minutes and Randy because he's already been talking to those people because didn't he go to he went to a couple of meetings, didn't he, John? Did I remember right? >> Yeah, I believe he did and he's that's when we had then we talked about the what he was already doing. Um and then
as far as the the regulations and notifying people, I mean that's D regulations. I mean there's >> right >> why are we trying to go deeper and make our own rules and regulations at this point? we're just trying to overgo ourselves. So, I mean, we're already part of a program that's discussing this
and we're notifying the water users as required. Um, I don't really see much more action needed on this. >> Right. So, we'll have John look into that, but Ry's already I can't think the name of the organization, but >> it was West Springfield, I think it was East Hampton, it was there was four or
five towns, and he asked if we wanted to join, and we said, "Yeah, let's go ahead and do it." Was it the part of the It used to be called the Barnes Act for Protection Advisory Council. >> It could be >> because if if you mention East Hampton that's and and Westfield, they're all part of that. >> Yeah, I believe. I believe. So,
>> I'll I'll have to do some research on that. >> That should take that should take care of this. Okay. Yep. I do remember that. Thank you for bringing that up, John. I forgot all about that. Yep. >> So, it's it so it's more than just establishing the the advisory board.
It's take taking the individual actions that have been listed here. Um you know and the one that concerns Empic is you know restrictions and the possible restrictions on development of the areas above the aquifer.
You know that's >> I don't think that's that's not the I don't think that that's the water commission's perview. I think that's the D conservation. Um that's not the that's not under the water commission's purview. No, it's not under our jurisdiction. >> Well, in the in the instructions that
came out on how to how to modify um an action item, there is capability to restructure your action item
and it tells you how to do that. Okay. Um then if you feel needs to be transferred, you can you can organize uh communication with the with the organization you think it should be
transferred with to see if they will accept it. And if they will not, then I think they will we'll consider it and make a ruling on it. >> Okay. Yeah, >> I can I can help to coordinate uh okay
that uh uh suggestion. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, we were hoping to uh get a an estimate of completion by by the 14th of November. This is having ma
a major presentation to the select board and planning boards in early December. We're hoping if if she reports back on what what the commitments are or aren't. >> Okay. Well, then uh maybe we could take a vote on transferring those items to
the proper authority. >> We Yeah, we can do that. >> But John, you you're not going to have enough time to have that ready by the 14th of November. So the you know I know >> uh I'm always hesitant. I always think take on as much as I can. I appreciate I
know I appreciate your uh protection of my workload. >> But the the good news is I'm uh deeply familiar with um what the process Norm's referring to um with my role on the master plan composition side and
continued contact with it. Um I am familiar with to some degree but uh the D regulatory um half of you know how they look at what happens within your zone 2 ones and two right. >> Okay. >> Um you mentioned them conservation um
being related to if you will their jurisdictional areas and then the planning board um is the one that administers our local um watershed production bylaw. >> Okay. >> Um and those specific uses >> uh in that area. So, uh it's not a super
heavy lift for me to examine um and and compose the uh proposal for the MPIC for reassignment of the regulatory um related matters. >> Okay. >> Okay. I appreciate that.
>> But then aside from those regulatory matters, what are the other action items that were that we are required to complete? That's just it, right? That was that was the only action, right? >> Yeah. >> Uh if I can Norm, do you mind if I expand on this? U so I think it it broke
down into I think three pieces as I um saw, right? One was to establish this multi community act for advisory committee. Um and if that's been completed through our um participation in Bayack or or its successor um then I
think we just need to provide that formal response back to the implementation committee. Um then we talk about um if you will addressing the uh the issues named between drinking water quality uh restrictions, land use
types um developmental restrictions. That was we'll call it piece number two that we were just talking about a moment ago. And then there's a uh an outreach and education um uh component about here and just making sure that the public
remains um aware >> right >> um of why we spoke about everything right the importance of protecting the aquifer why certain restrictions need to be in place uh how how the town interacts with it and other towns as well. So I think it
broke up into those three pieces. Is that fair, Norm? Just on the surface, >> I agree with that. Part of the second portion I would say is is do we need to try to push back on the state and looking at our history, how many times
have we put on restrictions, taking them off, put them on, take them off. Sometimes it happens in the week period of a week, you know. Is it too restrictive? Uh, can it be modified? >> You're talking about the water
withdrawal permit. This has been an ongoing issue for 10 years. >> Right. Right. >> You want us to tell you by next by two weeks from now when we're going to have it completed? Uh, call the state, please. >> Oh, I think he's talking about the water restriction. >> But that's related to the That's the
withdrawal permit, correct? >> Yeah. >> We beat this to it. We beat this with a this dead horse. I mean, every meeting >> beating this to has to do with the state and we cannot get our permit updated. >> So, it has to stay in place the way it is right now. There's nothing we can do about
>> even if we did, it's not right. >> The water restriction language isn't going to change, >> right? It's not going to change. So, >> whatever whatever we have now is >> what's going to be >> what we're going to live with. >> Have we tried to renegotiate it? >> The answer is complicated. It's a yes.
Um, >> and it has been an ongoing discussion. >> It's been going on for 5 years. Randy tried and tried and tried and tried. He's been trying to just the >> dealing with the state and we had no saying it. We said, >> you know, that's it.
>> I mean, our we permit as I understand it is what we have as a permit. The language is written into the permit. So, it's once they once it was written into the permit, it's law. We have to we have to follow it.
>> Now, our permit is up for renewal and we're we're we've been waiting. God, it's been five years. >> 2016, I think. We've been >> they've been get they've been just renewing it year by year hopefully to
get it to get the new permit online. U still hasn't taken place yet. So, >> yeah. And the water restrictions are in there. They're going to be in there in the next permit. There's no way to there's no way to get around it. Even the the registered systems, they're the
the D is trying to push the registered systems, which is what West Springfield is operating under now. They're going to have the same water restriction monkey. >> They got a two-year buy. >> Yeah, >> they got a two-year buy. Once that buys up, they're going to do what we're doing. >> So, it this is the water restrictions.
>> That's not going to change. Every time someone comes in here and asks us about water restrictions, it's the same thing and we've been going over it for years. It's never going to change. Um, that's I mean that's something that as far as the educational outreach, we should we
should try to get out there to the town because >> and nobody seems to understand because we go into a water restriction and West Springfield doesn't >> and they all get they all get steamed. Yeah, we've been through it and through it and through us.
>> If we if we could have done something, we we would have >> would have done it long time. >> It would have saved us June, July, and August of just, you know, an endless parade of of homeowners with brand new lawns trying to tell us, you know, that being up there. But, uh, it's once it's
written in the permit, it's we live, we have to live by it, >> and it's not going to get written out of the next one. There's no shing it is either because everybody's going to be on to it next. >> That's what I was going to add. Eventually, everybody's going to be on the same
>> Springfield got a rest a two-year buy more or less. >> Yeah. >> Once that's over where they got to do what we're doing. >> Correct. Because when it first started, we were like the almost the beginning of this whole change. >> We're doing what we're supposed to be doing. >> Yeah. And everybody >> other towns aren't. And now the state finally said, "You're going to do it."
And that's it. >> We talked to Selectman about this. I've been in front of Slugman about it and we're doing what we're supposed to be doing and the other towns aren't. >> It would be nice if you could get the education out there >> if you send out a a letter to a bunch of
homeowners about water restrictions and why we do it. It's going to fall into the it's going to fall into the dust bin of history before they even before they even open it. You know, it's just a bit people just don't
>> kind of mail. >> Well, let let me let me backtrack just a minute here. We've estimated that between four and 5,000 man hours went into the master plan development.
18 of our best people worked on this project. Two consultants worked on this project. And what EMP is is saying because so much effort and energy was spent that we owe it to public to give an honest
evaluation of each of the 136 action items. That's all we're asking for. Okay. And just to say it's done, we can't do anything is not acceptable as far as I'm concerned. >> Well, you deal with the state.
>> Can I can I say something in regard to that? So, in those 5,000 man hours, nobody watched a water commission meeting because we've talked about this water restriction issue. I think every meeting since I was put on the board and then reelected to the board. We've
talked about this water restriction. We're telling you this is the solution. The this is what has been it is being done. That's our answer. You can say it's not good enough, but that's our answer. That's what's being
done. We've given you our answer. That's our answer. >> M Mr. Chair, if I can interject for a moment here. Um I don't want uh the message to do get too hung up on uh the nature of water restrictions and the
permit that the town operates under. Um if only because I do see that was one of and and John, you can't quite see this. um uh a certain number of those I'll call out my second point there where we're to examine um how the town uh and
others interact with the aquifer included if you will the water restrictions element. Um, so I don't I mean the the core of the master planation committees and if I'm not selling this for you Norm, that's not my intent. Uh, but I think the the core of
this um was to, you know, one establish the town's participation in a multi community affair. Uh yeah, if we can monument uh the effort that's been uh taken, the participation um and examine what that looks like moving forward, I
think that would be part of the response um that could be provided uh to Mr. Chiever and the other impa implementation committee members. Um education and outreach is uh as as David mentioned is a perpetual challenge um and trying to get people to understand a
little bit better. Um because uh I'll be honest, if I wasn't in this room, I'd be asking the same question. Why can't I turn on my hose, right? Or why shouldn't I? It really boils down to um >> you should >> uh you're right. Uh I'm not going to get into that discussion just yet here, but
um and of course that's just one aspect of it, right? What sort of fertilizer should people be utilizing um you know on their properties? um uh if we're just talking about lawn care maintenance and landscaping uh you know a lot of this I think we do already have in place and we
can monument some of that um and that at least uh opens up the opportunity um for both the commission and the committee to see how do we expand upon this you know how how um can we improve on it so I think as I read this I see this uh less
as a um an ownorous burden as an opportunity to uh both take credit for that prior action um once I figure out exactly what it was, right? Um and and see how well that meshes with um the the
action the goal stated in this. >> Um and to be fair, not every action item I'll just reflect upon Norm's comment a moment ago about manh hours. Uh although Randy and I were both u uh present for all virtually all of the uh
advisory committee meetings, um not every action item was, you know, fully vetted under his eyes. I think we were focused on infrastructure and I don't remember what the second uh uh category was. Um, so it's not that uh I think anybody's looking to turn a blind eye to
those current efforts and for sure you do get a reflection of um the public's perception in a lot of the action items. This this comes from the people of Southwick and the staff members. So anyways, Mr. Chair, if I direct this
back towards you, my suggestion is that I'm happy to um work alongside commission members. I'm happy to compose I'm going to call it that draft response of the suggestion to reassign um um certain priority um elements here um and
for for you all to acknowledge. >> I appreciate that. Fine. It's fine. Um, so as as I look towards our standard uh meeting calendar, I think that would put uh that would set us up for at least a discussed or reviewed um somehow draft
um for their November 14th meeting. >> Yeah, because our next meeting is not till the 20th. >> That's right. >> Okay, great. >> Okay. >> Did not mean to drive that bus, but I wanted to bring us back to what I saw some of the the core issues here. So, >> well, I appreciate you taking that out.
>> We have no sweat. If we have a draft, if you come up with a draft for our next meeting, you can provide it to them for the 14th and then we can >> Right. >> In between here and there, I'd like to share it with um the three commission members.
>> You want to try a meeting on the first Thursday of November? I mean, >> if you'll be ready by the end, the first week. >> Yeah. Two weeks. >> No, I'm I'm not opposed to trying anything. >> Yeah. I don't want to. >> I've already apparently a yes man right here. No, I I think it I what I was
trying to set myself up for over between the lines here was me to share something um uh with you, Ed, and John and uh to get your initial feedback at least to say, "Okay, yep. This is this is the something we can stand behind. And if I share it with Norm, then he has at least
a a review draft." >> Um >> Okay, that works to share. >> That works. Yeah. >> Right. Okay. >> If you're happy with that, >> that's fine with that. >> Okay. >> Okay. or get on it. >> I'm on it. >> Okay,
>> another hat to wear. >> I'm very optimistic about next Monday. Let's put it that way. >> We'll get there in a minute. >> All righty. >> Thank you very much. >> All right, Norm. Thank you very much, >> Norman. We'll be in contact. >> Okay, great. John, >> have a good evening, Norman.
>> Okay, we got two elderly rate applications. Uh I believe in it they meet all the price. >> Yeah, they they meet all the criteria. There's what three? Yeah, three. >> I'm sorry. And I'll make this the one type of there actually was a third that didn't rise barrel. >> Yeah, there's three. Yeah, there's three
there now. Yeah. >> And I did review them all for uh consistent water usage or qualifying water use questions. Sorry. Everything. >> I'll make a motion to accept the three model elderly applications. >> I second that.
All in favor Johnson I. >> John Kane. Yes. >> Okay. All right. DPW report. >> I'm sorry. I Well, you can sign that one if you >> Yeah, we'll use this one. Yeah.
>> All right. Sounds good. >> Yeah. Let me turn to my happy page. I lost my There we go. All right. Uh, as commission members know, um, regrettably, Barl, um, moved on to other employment, um, near the end of
September. Uh, suffice it to say, I had no idea just how much work crossed her desk in particular, just how much water related um, work is generated up there. Uh, so we wish her well on her way. Um but Naen Signoni the assistant CIO uh
has indicated that uh we have a replacement office administrator starting next Monday. Um so we are optimistic and appreciate the prompt actions um by administration. >> Will it be starting next Monday? >> Yes. That's going to make a big
difference for Rich and I. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Suffice it to say I think it's probably true for any office environment. It takes a while to get up to speed with Thank you. Um, you know, uh, the the general conduct, the expectations, the demands of every
individual job. Um, but we're excited to have someone in there so we can start building that uh, relationship. >> I appreciate what you two guys that don't. I really do. >> Personally, thank you guys. I really appreciate it. >> I can't say enough positive things about what Rich has stepped up. >> Thank you both to you. Yep. We really
appreciate. At least I do. >> You're all welcome. Appreciate that. Um okay so outstanding water bills um we had our uh deadline uh end of September right uh we had about un 80 unpaid addresses um the first the last count
that I saw um we provide door knockers incrementally um over the course of a few days um but we got payments on all but five properties um that uh ended up being shut off uh three were promptly paid and turned back on um two remain unpaid at this time uh and one of those
is vacant. Um, since one of those is occupied, I made sure the health director was aware, >> okay, >> of the water shut off. >> Okay. >> Uh, let's see. Christy, uh, I use the term forged. She's forged openings in her schedule. Uh, because, uh, though we
find ourselves, um, without administrative assistance, right, when we need to button up billing and my simple mind says, oh, we just press the button and fire it off. And apparently it's it's nothing like that. It probably should be. Um I don't know
why it isn't, but there are probably very good accountability reasons for why it isn't. >> Uh so anyways, uh we've been working Christy for a couple weeks. Um unfortunately since we don't have her dedicated full-time um to this uh the
bills have not yet gone out the door, but I expect it's going to take place in the next >> week or two. Um, and on top of that, she came in today to help us with our bookkeeping. So, um, Rich and I appreciate her dedicated training. Hopefully, this
will, uh, pay dividends for us to train the next person until Monday. >> Um, >> he's good. >> Yes. Uh, >> he's good. >> Uh, if we could clone people, um, if only for dedication and, um, really work ethic, that would be amazing. >> Knowledge.
>> Yes, that too. Um, okay. So looking to our lead and carpal line service uh our department staff um um alongside uh Rich here coordinated the acquisition of the samples deliver the bottles right delivery uh of the samples
to laboratories and all the documentation associated with that. Um we had 26 total samples including the schools. Uh no hot um results were returned from the laboratory. Um and Rich here managed uh to get all the
documentation back to DP um and back to the various water um users. >> Awesome. >> Great to check. It's great to check that off. Um I'll put a little footnote on that one. I didn't put on my list here. We met today with Tyan Bond. Joe Paulik uh um gave us a quick status update on
you know his grant supported work for this program. Um uh he's uh continuing to work towards I'm going to call the uh survey report. um for this past year um and uh is helping us to gear up
towards um future um >> sampling. I'm not using the right word, not sampling for water excavations. >> Oh, okay. >> Um we also in the springtime have the water service line um replacement at
North Lake Avenue >> um going down the hill to Summer Drive. Uh so while they're doing that project and the 20 some odd properties that are served by that that'll give us an opportunity to examine uh we don't we know we'll document of course the new line coming from the main and see what's
on the other side of the uh the curb stops. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um uh so anyway so we were just chatting with Joe uh and the team at time bound about that. Uh, all right. Water restrictions. Uh, we ran through the rest of the summer, um, as everybody
sees, um, and into September, um, under restrictions status. And to be fair, the flow rates, they crept up. If we were still under flow rate considerations, um, you know, recent storms a week or two ago, we kind of crept up, almost got them. I'm going to call it the next seven days. We probably didn't even hit
it dead, but anyway. So, uh, but that reflects upon, um, the drought status that still, um, was declared for our region. Um, we were able to verify that that status was noted on the most recent restriction
paperwork to D. Um, so as far as D is concerned, uh, you know, that was all up to date. We're in a significant, I believe is the term, >> yep, drought status. Um, and according to uh state documentation,
um, there's a mandatory ban on non-essential outdoor water use. Uh, so although we're outside of our calendar year restriction, >> that's what I was going to ask you. Okay. >> Yep. Um, now I will be clear with the
commission. Um the documentation that was just sent out yesterday from the state. I read a little bit of a conflict. So I want them I I'm looking to have a conversation um with the um water
management act personnel over at D. Just we're going to have a quick exchange. So I am abundantly clear um because we know that uh with the end end of our permit that certain restrictions shouldn't apply. And yet I do see statewide ban on non-essential water uses in that recent
documentation and I'm happy to share that with you too if you'd like. >> Okay. >> Uh so anyways, that's why our signage remains up. >> I was wondering I was going to ask you tonight. >> Fair enough. Uh and and as soon as I have that conversation if there is a corrective action that's necessary, I'll
let the three of you know. Um and of course we'll pull down signage and and make the announcement. >> Fair enough. >> But anyways, that so that's where we're operating under at the current time. Okay. >> Um, and of course, when we're in a drought, the state does advise water conservation
>> nonetheless. >> Right. >> Um, let's see. I think number six is actually a duplicate. Um, we talked about that back in um, August, so we'll take this moment. No, we'll talk about other things, other old business. That's fine. Um, but let's see. Water system
repairs. We had a one and a half inch feed line um, with a leak at a fitting over Pineywood Road. Um, and then the, uh, corroded end cap. I think there was a stone that was up adjacent to it and provided that opportunity for to spring a leak. Um, where our line terminates at
Fred Jackson Road. Um, so those were both managed in September, I believe. >> Correct. Yep. They're both uh, >> emergency. >> Oh, yes. Water coming out of the ground. >> Yeah. >> Shouldn't be. We did have a scheduled
outage um over Rising Corner Road for a hydrant replacement. Um uh staff when looking to isolate that area um found that the gate valves weren't fully seating. So we did um have a slightly larger um area subject to an outage, but that was completed within the workday
and service has been. >> Okay. >> I got a few more in the back there. >> Oh y So looking forward to future work. Um we have two service line leaks. Uh one's a known one uh leak over at Robin Road. Um
we expect that to take place in the next week or two for that repair. >> Um we will be bringing in at least hired equipment is what we're anticipating at this time because that is a deep It is since the road got >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, you're talking. We need a bigger trench box before
>> Okay. >> I mean, we did what we had to, but >> Okay. >> Yeah. There's this. We want to do a more section and take it out, repair it, and be better off. But we prefer to have a bigger machine, >> bigger trench box, and then do it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Oh, yes. >> That's why I've been taking a little
longer on now. >> Nice. >> Um, number 10. We just discussed earlier with the the messation committee, and I just note that, um, at the current time, we don't have a structure, but we're going to work together to cover the bases. The
last thing I'd like to mention, didn't make my list here, uh is that um as going through the uh the billing and the payments, uh Mr. Mountain was in here. >> He's got the property uh Berkshire Avenue in Point Grove.
Yep. And uh so his bill um was paid. It was brought up to date. Um and so the agreement from the commission was pay your bill, we'll give you a courtesy replacement of the meter since he had some questions about it. Um >> accuracy. >> Yeah, about accuracy or reading during
no flow periods or whatever. >> Yeah, that's correct. >> Um so that replacement is scheduled for Monday. >> Okay. Uh monthly commitments. We have any monthly commitments. >> Um I do have August's uh commitments for
us as to $315. Uh I will get u if you will September's um and October's together for our next meeting. >> Okay. Along with um uh with Christiey's um assistance. >> Okay. Old business. >> Uh I guess I've got three I think I was
going to stop at three old business items that I need to follow up on. Number one, um relates to part of the discussion we had with Norm about the um about our water withdrawal permit um and you know future coordination with
Mass D. Regrettably, uh this and other items have fallen onto the back burner for the time period. Uh I'm happy as you saw a few moments ago to take something on if there's a real pressure point. If anybody needs to come up with an answer, please ring me, shoot me an email um and we can shift some attention. But
otherwise that um the ADU policy um and the water regulation update um that's been initiated with Kevin Soer. Uh I respect the fact that our staff um has dedicated uh time in the field every
day. Uh so when he's uh waiting for certain readings, certain periods, um he's been going through and making markups on that water regulation. Um, so if I'm lucky, uh, you know, we've targeted, um, a sit down, he and I, um, end of this month, and hopefully we can
start talking about why we feel certain changes should be made, >> okay, >> for November. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh, on the review of the water commission meeting, John's not here. We can't sign him. So, we'll just we'll just post just next meeting. >> I'll hold on to that when we're all
here. >> Yep. >> Because I can't sign one. He can't John can't sign one, but he's not here anyway. So, >> okay, >> we'll just do that the next on the meeting, the 20th. >> That's fine. >> Okay. New business. Anything under new business?
>> Nothing to discuss under new business. >> Dave, John, I just did want >> I just wanted since John's on uh a hybrid meeting, I that was my my one question.
I may need to go hybrid for an extended period of time next year. Uh I'm gonna I'm scheduled to be working in St. Louis for six months. >> Well, fantastic. >> I can do I can do hybrid. I just wanted to confirm that hybrid wasn't going to
be a problem. Uh not a problem. Uh if anything needs a wet signature, oh well, first of all, I can I'll check with uh Nicole and see what her feelings on on certain policies. If you want to do, you know, PDF signatures, uh, I'm at a point in the planning board, we're able to get
to a place where we could do that. Um, >> I >> otherwise I'll mail things. >> I sign. >> Yeah. >> I have sign easy and all that stuff for work. So, you can just email me and I can sign it and send it right back. >> So, then I think the only uh I guess
focused effort that we'll need to pay good attention to is returning to Barl's management style. Um, as John's experienced this evening, he's a little lead on documentation because I didn't bother to send anything out ahead of time. >> Um, uh, but uh, but certainly if this is
a planned and regular print, we'll make sure we get back to a place where uh, when we post that agenda, we're getting the materials off to your team >> so you have the ability to see it. >> I just wanted to bring that up. It's not until next November that I start. So, I
just wanted to be before we knew see if I did have to step step down or anything, I would we would know in advance. >> I appreciate that. >> All right. That's the only thing that I had. >> Okay. And next meeting is going to be November 20th.
You good with that, John? November 20th. >> Yeah, that works for me. >> Okay. Now, all I can do is read what you got here on the banner. >> Sure thing. So I would be looking for uh you to request a motion. Um and that last port the last line there you would
um you would declare I say if the chair so declares you're going to make the declaration of the portion in italics. So you will declare that uh we will not reconvene in open session. >> Right. >> So if you don't mind reading that um item there or requesting that motion. >> Yeah. You you want to make the motion
first? >> Uh yes. and we'll take a vote um to approve our movement into executive session. >> I make a motion that we move into an executive session in the in accordance with Mass General Laws section C3A
section 21 number three. >> I have a second on that. >> I'll second the motion to move into executive session as read >> and not reconvene in open session, please. >> And yeah, not we're not reconvening. and not convening reconvening >> open session afterwards.
>> Right. Okay. I'll fail. Chairman Johnson. I >> Dave Mezwart. I >> John Kane. Yes. Okay.