6 PM and this meeting is being recorded. Okay. Chairman Ed Johnson present. >> Commissioner Dave Mezmore present. >> Commissioner John Kaine present via Zoom. >> Julie O. Betty present DPW office
manager. Wish >> Bozac DPW director. >> John got assistant DPW director. Okay. Do we have any public comment? We have any public comment. We Anybody in the waiting room?
>> Uh let's see. Nobody in the waiting room. Anybody who wishes to comment, please just uh raise your hand and manage comments that way. >> Okay. Why don't we hold off on the the minutes of the meeting? Let's go to the abatement request for 108 108 Point Grove Road.
We go back to minutes later. Okay, state your case there. >> Well, you know, I live in different towns and I don't want to say this thing like is good, but I believe you in the water is going
to be a little bit too much. I know it's for six months and I understand that but uh it be at a th00and% more that was supposed to be paid for I think it's a little bit too much
we've got here John they're going through a lot of water >> yes uh indeed certainly um and we had the chance to discuss this um with Pablo over the past couple of weeks that we've uh he's he's stopped in
and met with us. Um there certainly is our uh system is showing heavy usage um for relatively protracted period of time periods of time um at odd hours. >> Yeah.
>> Um those those blocks that you're seeing um and Julie if you don't mind I'm gonna open up the ability to share for Mr. Kaine. Next, don't do log into the sensor. Suns that'll help you with that shift.
Um, you know, at relatively heavy flows. We're talking about 120 130 gallons per hour. Yes. >> Um, for multiple hours on end, um, with I don't recall if this we had many returns back uh to zero. I think we did
we saw returns back to zero during uh certain daytime hours. >> Correct. Um, and as Julie will be able to bring up, go ahead and share your screen, Julie. So, back to the Zoom window there. Uh, you can do it without. That's fine.
I'm going to help you drive. Just one second. >> That's fine. Yeah. Um I suppose of similar note uh is that as of the first of the month um we've seen
those uh protracted and extended uses virtually eliminate and there's been a return to what I'd call typical uh residential usage. Some you know maybe early uh or midday hours where you do see 100 gallons maybe used. Um this is a two family home. Is that right? Yes, it
is two family homes. The gentleman who lived there live like in the second floor live for like almost 25 or 26 years. And the lady who's living in the first floor, a single mother with a little child. These guys are in a Springfield all the time. So it's kind
of hard to understand you know this use >> you know >> and like the gentleman in the second floor told me he don't have no problems I go myself and check it out all >> Kevin went Kevin went and checked the
meter correct >> yes Kevin went out and checked the meter >> and it was um >> operating normal >> normal yes there it was able to return back to zero >> okay >> multiple times and it seems like it was
regularly like a Friday to Monday that it seemed sporadic that it kept going. >> Well, this is like 700 p.m., right? Usually looks here 7:00 p.m. >> Yes. So, it looks like it starts sometime at 7 p.m. It'll run all night
and then shut off around sometime 6 a.m. >> Huh. >> Log water's going somewhere. >> Yeah. So, um, he had spoken to us in the beginning of December. he came to with his concern and that's when I showed him
um these right here that I'm about to put up on the screen if it lets me that Earth state. So you can see here this is just re this is just today normal use. Normal use.
>> Yep. >> So it went back to normal use. This is this one you'll be able to see better than I'm about to do for you now. The analytics analy excuse me
the analytics will show um that prior to speaking with um Mr. for us the usage was sporadic and all over the place and then come December
after we had spoken it looked like it started to go back to normal use. So here it is in um November before we spoke with him. Sorry, I don't know. And you see it's
130 gallons and it'll just run and never stop. 1:30 1:30 and it's starts at 10 >> 6:00 p.m. it'll start. Yep. 6 p.m. it starts and it flows all the way till the next day >> and doesn't stop. So after we spoke with
them, we decided to look to see if anything changed. And when we did from December till now, you can see a significant difference. >> Yep. >> In the water use. So I'm not sure if you were able to have a talk with them and they
>> were able to find a toilet or something that we >> talk with with the with attendance and like say you know it's hard to for me you know to understand because the people is there all the time. I believe in leaking. to these guys fix it. And I
ask him and these guys say, "Yeah, we do. I know I have a little problem in the first floor. I just buy a brand new toilet before she moving in." You know, I've only have this property for like eight, seven months. So, I try to fix them all
when I can. And I change the toilet and I don't think the premium toilet have a little problem, but it's not like it going this much water. Oil choose a lot of water when they leak. >> Yeah. >> They use a lot of water. You don't realize it.
>> Yeah. >> And you don't even know it's leaking. You can't even hear it. >> Well, you know, the ne the water was the water was going somewhere. >> And now it's now it's after they spoke with you, something's happening because now it's gone right down to where it
should be fairly normal. >> I don't know how to do that. I'm assuming you had a leaf or something or that toilet or something because now you're back down to where >> normal use >> fairly normal use.
>> Yeah. this one one of my points like I say you know I don't want to I don't want to say you have to do or we have to do or whatever you know I don't put it I don't say anything because I don't want here to say anything only what I try to say you know if
something if you guys see anything I know she say I can call every month to find out >> you know anytime you want like a different cities I have it I have it every month if something happen like running to check it out what's going on
but 6 months is too longer especially like I say I knew the town is basically was a little I was thinking I was okay but look like it was not any comments >> fix the toilet >> no I don't do anything
>> did you get a new tenant >> no I I don't do anything I'm the same >> with them and told them with these guys I was find I tried to find out because like you guys I don't live in his house, you know, and it was kind of scary. I'm
saying English scary for me. I don't know if it >> Yeah. No, that's right. >> So, you went you went and checked it. >> Yeah, I went and checked myself all pipes or everything then I can call the chromemer but it's no and now they use everything is normal. So,
>> I can't understand when I look at the graph you know it's night time. I was wondering if somebody left something running and then when you talked to them they were like oh you know something
drastically happened >> something was going on with >> if you look Pablo see 61 >> so if you look here this was before you came in to see me see how crazy it goes this is 100 to 200 and it goes really high then after you came in and I told
you to talk to them >> you said okay I'm going to talk to them look at how different it is >> they're just using a lot of water. They were using a lot of water at night time doing something >> to 618 gallons of water for 18 days. And here for the 30 days, they used 38,000
gallons of water. >> So after you talked to them, I think you explained it correctly to them and they stopped whatever it was that they were doing. >> That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, cuz it's
>> I mean what's the what's the normal water use? >> I mean average an hour. >> Yeah. It's like around 500 to 700 the the month max because I talk with the old owner Mike is we talk every day so much
>> and he is claiming even if you should be working in the water department by you know I don't say you guys every have it different things I don't say you guys have to be like that >> I I I understand your >> your position that right >> if we build every month you bought this
alert >> exactly I can catch a little little excited. >> I'm just wondering if there's if there's a a trigger we can put into our system so if it starts going back up. >> Well, I check it all the time now just because I >> Yeah, you know, there's high flows and
all that. So, they >> right >> high flows something that we can, >> you know, like we have a >> we have a trigger warning if it never goes to zero, we can contact somebody before they get a huge bill. Yeah. If we can come up with a number that we can
say if it if it exceeds so you know so many 100 gallons an hour for for two hours that we we get a we get a trigger set up. There's census could probably set something up and then we can contact you if your if your
tenants are using a lot of water all at once so you don't get a huge six-month bill. >> Yeah. Well, it seems it seems once you mentioned it >> it stopped. I have >> I have a management strategy that says sometimes it's enough that they notice
that you notice you know >> so when when they thought that they were just everything was okay and nothing you know there was no money being >> there was no money being lost but as soon as you noticed it and mentioned it to them something changed. So we can set
a system, can't we? John, >> to be honest, I don't know. I'm I feel confident that there's enough sophistication that we can look into have a custom alarm so that you know by the time some threshold is exceeded, maybe it's over seven days, something
that seems atypical for family, right? >> Um then it would send us something we could, >> you know, try to help uh assist in monitoring the situation for you. >> Um don't know exactly what that would be. We work with our consultant. >> We can check into it. >> Yeah.
>> Was the house vacant before you purchased it? >> Was the house vacant before you purchased it or were your tenants already there? >> Was was the first floor was was not used for couple months. >> Okay. >> Because was uh try to renovate was when
I get he stopped. So I stop like one. So like three months all together was nobody live there. John, you have any comments? >> My opinion? No. >> Yeah. Sounds like
>> sounds like they used they used a lot of water and then the landlord talked to the tenant and the tenant realized there might be a financial impact and they stopped using so much water. I've been in the same situation with my tenants. Um, they don't understand that water
does have a cost when you start using it to excess. So, I think that they use the water and hopefully they learn from it. I would suggest maybe passing this bill on to those tenants. You know, the difference between what you thought was fair and what they what was charged.
But, um, it sounds like they used the water. >> Yeah, me too. >> What's the point of the 273? Did you come up with that? No figure. Um, he did an average on what his neighbors were.
>> Yeah. >> Lord, don't do the meter. >> So, so the average of another house, specific Senate House would be like somewhere around 1300. No. >> Um,
>> no. That was the original of the water pump right there on subtract. >> So he said that his neighbors next to him paid about $500 or so, a little over 500 for the water and sewer. So that's where he had gotten his number from.
>> Yeah. >> I think he had a tenant problem. I really do. >> It's hard to trust with the people, you know. I >> I understand. We understand. >> Totally. We do. But >> and I can't kick it now either because
>> But since you talked to him and and it's proven that it's gone right back to where where it should be. >> Well, now I going to be tracking no matter what what anything happens because looks like I have to be in the trap to these guys all the time. >> And it's up to you. But if I was you, I would talk to your tenants say if this happens again, you're going to you're
going to have to help pay for the water bill because >> Yeah, you should. Yeah, you should. I mean this is >> you can't be there you can't be there every single day. >> I don't I don't mind that you guys I know sometimes got a extra you know use it like everybody else
>> but not like a six months and what every day. >> Well, we're going to try to see if we can do something with that. >> We're going to try and we're going to try and at least make sure that >> so this doesn't happen again. But >> we hope we hopefully we see a trigger. we can set a trigger so we can notify
your water usage is getting too high. >> So >> So have a motion. What you want to do? >> I I don't really see that being in the purview of the water department. you know, it just be I think that becomes a
slippery slope of case by case basis of us trying to set a trigger limit, you know, and being a, you know, being that intermediary for a landlord. I know there's aftermarket things he could do to add to the water system on his side for extra
flow, monitoring, um, excessive flow, that kind of thing. But I don't think that that's on our end, you know, to try to promise that to somebody and then, >> you know, through 2500 water users, >> you know, we have a different trigger for everybody, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> I agree. I agree with that, John. But >> I'm just thinking that he spoke with them now, but next summer they may they may be running the water out the the back door to keep the kids cool or something. I I don't know what they were
doing. Yeah, they're probably filling up a a pool, um a sprinkler, you know, something like that, and you don't think about it. But if you fill that pool up every couple days, you dump it out, you fill it back up, you know, there's a 100 gallons, 200 gallons, next thing you know, 1,000 gallons. So, it adds up quick.
>> Yep. Okay. >> I'm just I'm just thinking that if I'm sorry to I'm there every day almost and these properties almost every days. >> Okay. and keep an eye on him.
>> And then there's no place to put a pool. There's no place to put anything because I don't I'm just I'm just guessing. Yeah. >> What it could possibly be >> to run water at night is just >> especially at night time. I understand
at night till 6 in the morning keep you up at night for five days. >> Yeah. So >> Friday and >> it was what was >> on a Friday 60 to 100 gallons every hour. >> Yeah. 130 gallons an hour >> some of them. Yeah.
>> That's a lot of water. >> One on it stops. >> Yes. And then it stopped. So they were doing something but >> I >> if it happens again I would pass it off to the tenants. I really would. >> I going to make
to this case. I wouldn't say that you guys prefer me that thing. >> Okay. So, we have a motion we're gonna do here. Thanks, John Kane. >> I make a motion to reject the abatement. >> Second on that, John Kane. >> Yeah, I'll second the motion to deny the
abatement for 108 point group. >> Okay. All in favor? Chairman Johnson? I >> Dave Mewler. I >> John Kaine. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Okay. So, you got to talk to your tenants.
Okay. >> Okay. So, I don't understand exactly what you mean. >> What's that? >> I don't understand exactly what you mean. >> So, we've denied your Yeah, we denied
it. And I still have to pay $5,000. possess a lot a lot of month. >> We understand that >> that's kind of too hard for me to do you guys doing this to me. You know, it's like he say, you know, you guys raising
me like a,000%. You guys don't put at least, you know, 100% can be okay, but you know, it's like everybody else, you guys have to be a little more reasonable with me. You know, it's we talking about like almost $40 a day.
>> Well, even even a mortgage is is almost the same same thing. Like I had to pay for the water, you know. You guys have to be a little more flexible with the with the with you with this with the people who live over here. >> You know, >> we try to be, but I mean the proof is in
the pudding right there. >> I understand the proof. I don't say you guys wrong, >> right? >> You know what I mean? You know like I don't say you guys had to do whatever you had to do but you know like in other places the people is a little more flexible because like I say you know if he is every month I can correct but you
guys don't do the bill any >> we do it every six months we >> that's what I mean you know >> we can't afford to do it every month >> at least you know you you guys can warn me a little ahead a little like before you know what I mean I understand what you said but you know $5,000 and
something dollars is a lot of money for >> we understand that we understand Okay. I understand. You know, you guys have got to be a little more reasonable than people. >> We'll see what we can do. >> We can get you nice if you guys help me up a little. >> If you go to the tax collector's office
and speak with them, they offer a written written payment plan for delinquent water and sewer bills, which means you don't have to come upfront with the whole >> Either way, I had to pay $5,000. You know what I mean? It is a lot of money. That's what I say. You know, it is too
extremely a lot more. Like I say, it's over a thou a thousand% that was supposed to be paid for. >> Well, you can do that. You can set up a payment program. She'll do it for you. They're very good over there.
>> I And in the end, I still have to pay for >> Yeah, but it helps you out a little bit financially, you know, so you don't have to come out of pocket all at once. So you guys don't can't do anything else for me? >> No, >> you can't. I mean, you can still go to
the W the sewer commission and try to get because that's the biggest part of the bill. >> The biggest part of the bill is the sewer and we have nothing to do with the sewer. >> So what is the sewer? >> Selectment. Select board. >> Select. >> No, but if you guys deny me, so it's going to be these guys don't we can't
speak for the select board. We can't we can't we can't speak for them. But we're only on the water end of it. Maybe they will. >> The way the only way we could is if we knew where the water was going. >> So if we knew that they were running a hose out the back door, then we can make
a recommendation to the select board and say, "Hey, >> we don't think this water went down the sewer. So >> it was a waste of water. You know, they made a mistake, but they might have a chance to obey it." But since we don't know, you know, they might have a tub or something like that. So we we don't know
for sure unless we have some, you know, something in writing or some evidence. >> See how the sewer works. It's water in, water out. >> That's how the sewer rate goes. >> No, I understand. But let me say one more time, you supposed to be give me a little break. You know what I mean? And like anywhere else, you know.
>> No, I don't I don't think we we've actually made it a point to not give anybody a break, per se, but we've used pretty concrete objective evidence on every abatement over the last six years. to to come to a fair agreement with the person applying for the abatement. And
that's what we're saying. You know, the best we can do and work with you is if we knew where this water was going, we could recommend to the select board that they abate a substantial portion of the sewer. >> But there's nothing we can do. You know, the water went through our meter. >> We don't know where
>> you used it, >> and that's the best we can do. We'd love to work with you if we had some room to work with it, but we really don't. Okay. Oh, >> almost. Yep. >> Thank you. >> No, no, thank you.
>> Okay. Okay. Review the October and the November minutes of the meeting. I read them. >> I read the minutes. I make a motion that we accept the October and November minutes as written.
There's a second. I I was not on the November meeting. Um so I can only vote on the October minutes I believe. >> Okay. I make a motion to accept the October minutes. >> I second the motion to accept the October minutes. >> Okay. All in favor Johnson I.
>> Mayor I. >> John Kaine. Yes. >> Okay. November. >> I make a motion to accept the November minutes. >> Okay. So I second that. All in favor? Johnson I.
>> Mwell I. Okay. Motion carries. Takes care of that. Ely rate applications. Do we got 12 of them, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. We got 12 of them. 19 Beach Road, 148 Bergkshire Avenue, 156 Berkshire
Avenue, 6 Road, 10 Evergreen Street, 123 College Highway, 149 College Highway, 30 Congaman Road, 34 Fernwood Road, 92 North Longard Road, and 7 South Longard Road. And they all meet the only rate >> except for one
>> except for the one. We'll vote on this separate. Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. >> I have a motion to accept the 12. >> I make a motion to accept the 12 elderly rate applications. >> I have a second, John. >> I will second the motion to accept the 12 elderly rate applications. >> All in favor? Ed Johnson. I
>> Dave Mesler I. >> John Kaine. Yes. >> Okay. Motion carries. And then we have one for 26 South Pew Drive. But there's What's the story with that one? U 149 College Highway. I don't know if that was on there. It's a denied. His father left in
the house. I'm not sure if that was on there. >> 149 is on there. >> Yeah. >> So, that is a denied. That one was denied. >> No, no, no. 148 was on there. >> Yeah. This 148 Berkshire Avenue was here. This >> 149
College Highway. >> Yeah, that was on here to approve. >> That shouldn't be approved. That one should be denied. They did not meet all the criteria. He um owns the other, excuse me, on College Highway, 123 College Highway. He owns um
he owns that one, but it's not his. It's in his father's name. He doesn't live there. >> Okay. We have to reject 149 College Highway >> 149 College. Sorry. >> Primal res,
>> right? Yeah. Would you make a motion? >> I make a motion to accept to uh reject 149 College Highway as not being a primary resident. >> Okay. You have a second, John. >> Second the motion to reject the
application as it's not primary resident. >> Okay. All in favor Johnson I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Yes. >> And 26 Southfield Drive. We got at the next meeting. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. We need to >> All right. Monthly commitments. We can look at that. >> We We got to sign all them, Julie. Right. We can sign them after the >> Yeah. We get done with this. >> Rich, you got the floor there. >> But here we go. Yeah. So for the
director's report, the uh state has provided with a service line inventory including a list of 428 public service identified to create the stat statistical analysis, a non-led service line certification and a service line inventory certification
form. All in an effort to have mass D approved, revise statistical analysis and not require any mailing at the end of the year. Mass DP's review of the matter is ongoing. Basically, we sent everything over there to get us to try to work towards a lead free >> and we're waiting on their re their
response hopefully before the end of the year. >> Okay. >> Uh myself and John, we attended a drinking water roundt meeting number five assets asset management class. Um it was made available to municipal water suppliers for the purpose of discussing exploring the value of developing a list
of water assets and a asset management plan. And um actually there's a lot I think we learned a decent amount of stuff from it. It was very good class um basically in the lines of having a water asset management plan and what we have where we're going um
um infrastructure wise all that stuff. So, it was actually it's a really good and I think we're going to look into double checking that we have one if we didn't already create one and then also at the same time hopefully trying to uh
start going forth with it updating it and all that. >> Good. >> Good. >> Uh the water department with the help of highway did and Creser Construction did a water a Robin road service line repair. We actually uh pulled it through under the pulac. So that leak has been
fixed. Okay. >> And then uh we did uh it's not here, but we did have the inspection of the two tanks that was completed and I'm getting quotes for an interior and exterior interior was inspected and exterior uh cleaning. >> Okay.
>> But I'm waiting on the report to come back. I'll probably outreach to them and then we can see how our tanks are doing and um we'll move forth. That was uh that for now. >> Okay. Good. >> Okay. Okay. Old business master plan action
item response. >> Is that just you? >> So I guess that makes me >> I guess that's you. >> Uh knew I shouldn't have come. Uh anyways um so we left off um at our last meeting. Um I think as we had for a couple prior
trying to you know wrap our heads around uh what if any you know remaining opportunities there was for the water commission um and your supporting staff uh over at TPW um to respond to the one action item assigned and that was
related to this multi community uh >> yeah coalition group right y um that would look at both the water uses in and around and you know protecting them uh for water quality purposes um into the
future the various communities that draw upon the same aquifer that Southic does >> um at the risk of repeating the wheel every time. We know that Randy um and others met through PVPC to advance this matter. That was part one effort that
Rich and I um were aiming to if you will build off of and by attending this um you know regional water resources group granted that particular focus of the meeting wasn't so much on water quality it's more about how do we create
sustainable systems um uh in towns um so to date I know that uh the uh report at the last meeting was uh that the administrator at PVPC for this program um was to get back to us and although we
were no more than single feet away from this individual just the other day uh we have not yet concluded if you will that discussion and if you will the discussion if I can address everyone on the side of the table is future is there any opportunity that was
left open it's clear um through at least the lens uh the rear view mirror right the lens towards the past that well they looked to see if they could uh form something and there was enough traction for it to launch. Um so while I observe that some element of the master plan
action um has been satisfied um you know there's still rather the desire to have some you know uh greater awareness as well as multiple community participation is hasn't we don't control all those factors but I do want to um see if I can
circle back around with a punctuation mark uh with PPPC to figure out you know what was the hiccup so I can add the why um to uh the water commission's response. >> Okay. >> So, while that single action item
remains uh the uh the top priority um if you will as as well as the lowest one, we'll still work towards getting if you will a more concrete answer um assembled. >> Good. >> Uh I think once we have that, then it's
easy to determine okay is there a remaining launching point? Is this something that after a period of time it's returned to in order to try to provide this responsible and comprehensive response um to the master plan imple implementation committee?
>> Okay. Okay. >> Have you have you been able to reach out to Sfield and talk to the water department? >> You'll pardon me. I have not. >> Okay. But you did mention that at the last meeting. >> I think I think we're more aligned with
Bren than we are with Westfield. >> If you get a chance, maybe >> the good news is I'm calling it action here in this note here. So maybe that'll pan out. I don't know how to get through the holidays. >> I don't know how amendable they're going to be to to starting something, but
>> I mean I think we're we're in the same boat they are if they if they already have something if we can be invited to attend. you that's uh was I guess whatever my mind first left as well. Although we don't we may not have anything we can do together if there's already something similar launched u I
know their their health administration is regionalized down there maybe the water resources are in a similar way. >> Okay. So, um, I tell you what, Monday morning I will reach out to Southfield >> or I can no after the holidays mine
guys. I'm not going to perform about pressure. >> We're not that bad. We're not that bad. Hammer down Monday. >> You see where you see where one right when he walks in the door. There you go. >> Okay. >> I'm putting a date on that one. Make it
happen. >> As it'll drift again. Well, I apologize. >> Okay. Water systems regulation update. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh I guess I really should have put that that uh so I spoke with Kevin Soer. Um I think what's meaningful at this point is maybe I need
to break it down to smaller chunks so I can take that. We'll have Rich and I I'll go through give our pass and get it to the water commission members. Okay. >> So if this is a say 40page uh document, if I can get half of it put together, maybe that's what we should do to start with that. um and try to make some
incremental progress. This I know that these types of requests and our professional staff uh their input is extraordinarily valuable, but it's just an extra task to put on their plate. >> Totally understand. >> See where he's see where he's at and what he what chapter he's on, so to speak. >> Yep. >> And bring it forth.
>> So, I appreciate everyone's uh patience on that. Um the last item I know I'm sorry, I'll jump ahead. You want to jump ahead? >> Uh the accessory building policy. I know we we talked about that through the summer because both of those these last two items were um >> I feel part of Andy's departing list.
Nothing was ever necessarily put into writing. I know that there was, if you will, some indications. Um so, as we work to get the um the regulation update put together this spring, we'll circle back around to this and see does there need to be a written policy or is it
case by case? Um frankly, I'd have to flip back to my other notes to recall where we landed and where some discussions. we really I don't remember either. >> I respect the fact that accessory dwelling units sometimes being within an existing structure sometimes attached and sometimes detached. Uh it may be a
variable that's hard for us to uh prescribe. >> Right. >> So in any event, uh why don't we tackle those two in concert and we'll try uh to see if we can have that first chunk of the regulation ready for January's meeting. >> Okay. >> See if I can kill the empty promise
streak. All right. Have anything under new business? >> Okay. Well, we have to have a motion to adjourn this meeting and go into executive session. >> Yeah. Make a motion to adjourn and reconvene in executive session.
>> And make sure you read that. Read the document. Make sure >> reconvene in executive session according to Mass General Law Chapter 30A section 21 paragraph 3 to discuss strategy
with the respect of collective bargain bargaining or litigation in an if an open meeting may have detriment on this bargaining the litigation position of the public body and if the chair so declares not to reconvene in open session.
All in favor Johnson I. >> Dave I >> John Kane. Yes. We are now in executive session.