It has to go this way. >> Yeah, because no no no closer than my house is. So, it has to go that way. >> Really? >> I'm going to lose my whole backyard. >> All right. >> You You can't even ask the question.
>> I did. You get the answers. >> That's why I said look at your flexibility options because that's important because there's not a lot of wiggle room when you go forward of the house. For sure. >> Right. cuz that's that's not good. >> Okay. >> Cuz there is so much relief needed there
>> that goes like this, you know. >> Yeah. >> How do you make a room out of a pie shaped? That's why I have an architect, I guess. >> Well, we did something
shaped. [laughter] >> All right. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate the help. And then uh >> yeah, >> it it helps to to do this because you you'll you'll have a better application and we'll >> it'll probably take me six months to get to a point where I'm even coming back.
But >> you know, by the time I get done drawing what I want versus what I can have, >> I talked to an office a year ago at breakfast one morning and he's still >> figuring out what he wants to do. So, you know, gave him all the stuff to help him and it's like, let me know. You
know, it's not about the money. I think it's just about elder and parent and how they're going to hand, you know, so I think it's >> right >> the time's not right, you know. But >> Right. Yeah. Cuz it does it matter like whether it's a breezeway or actually a room room. Are there any differences there? >> It's enclosed.
>> Okay. >> It's connected to the house. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you guys very much. Have a good night. >> Take care. Thank you. >> Well, hello everybody. Jeez, it's been a while. It's been a minute or
>> I did, but >> So, we're missing Mike so far. Did he say he was coming? >> I didn't ask. [clears throat] >> It's a concern for >> No, he's not golfing. >> Well, I hope not. He could, I guess. And
Easy Mountain's open if they're if it's available. already have this funny. >> All right. >> So, let me confirm one thing. The the hearing is the last Monday, right? >> The 26th
>> cuz I'm gone next week. >> So, I'll be home that I'll be home the weekend. >> What? >> Okay. So, which one we want to talk about first? Or we got to do the notes first? I guess do point of order. >> The notes. >> Yeah.
I don't remember these. >> Nothing >> that wasn't here. >> Nothing very controversial. >> Yeah. >> Like in the future. Very good. Um this progress on 65 and 67. Did that come up because in timeline or
>> we were just recapping the year. >> Okay. >> We had to meet for some reason. So, >> got it. >> We're thinking of things to talk about. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, I did see a excavation there and he's got a court now. So, at least one of them anyway. The other one >> Yeah, both of them has >> work on.
>> Okay. >> Starting, but uh >> Good. >> All right. Make >> a motion to accept. >> Make a motion to accept the meeting minutes for >> second me. Seconded. >> All in favor?
>> I I >> I >> Okay, >> let's talk about U >> 116 North Lake. >> Yes. No, 112, right? Or is it 116? >> 116. Did I say 112? >> Yeah, you did. It's okay. I looked up
116, though. [laughter] >> But you said Lake View. >> Yeah, I know. That's >> too wrong. very very uh very common area down there. That's why. >> All right. >> So anyway, point is I asked that because uh that meeting if the hearing you're on vacation,
>> but the owner of this property used to work with my real estate company. So I got to have an accused vote. >> Yeah. >> So I hope Mike is here cuz I'll I'll contact >> I need a quorum for that. I'll contact him. >> I mean >> if worst case scenario I would vote but I would make it known that >> okay
>> I do there's no conflict. I don't believe, but I just didn't want to have any shadow of one. >> Well, >> if it's possible, that's all. >> After we talk about it, it might >> I agree. I agree with you. So, [laughter] you may be making a phone call. I think they got to visit the
planning board before for anything, but Okay. >> Anyway, >> uh >> Wow. Who did the Did they send plans in like this, too? >> Yeah. >> I'm not connect. So >> yeah, how about over here? >> My house is here that it breaks.
>> Yeah, >> I just kept it. >> Yeah, >> but I'm not read that twice. I had to make sure the date was right. >> Okay. >> All right. So the existing
>> 31. >> This is the existing. >> Okay. >> Garage is tucked back here in the corner. One foot from the side, one foot from the back. Uh if you look at the satellite map,
it's it looks like the property line goes partway through. So I'm assuming satellite map is is incorrect. >> It's there. >> That's that's what the existing garage is. And it's 372 square ft
and it's set back uh it's set back like 66 feet or something like that but so that doesn't meet the >> the standard anyway. So it's obviously a pre-existing non
>> but the application to do is replace that garage with something like this. Not going to happen. >> It's like the garage with a I think he's >> inlaw apartment workshop. >> Yeah. I I think it's the uh what do you
call that? They have >> bingo. Yeah, >> that was Mike. He's in three% going on. >> But that's just me because >> I know. >> So, >> but that's bigger than the house. Well,
that's it's not it's 663 square feet and the and the house is what 740. >> That's what I Well, Right. But that's two story, >> right? >> I Oh, I agree. >> So, but before you go any further, that's the thing I picked up on when I
read the non-conforming bylaw. >> Yeah. >> There's three things they have to meet. Okay. >> First one hit me with a no. the minimum of 5,000 square foot lot. He's got 4791 square feet.
>> Is this that 185- 28 or something? >> Okay. >> So, it's a single family non-conforming lots should have all no them no less than 10 ft. >> So, if you can't touch the structure because it's not 10 ft anyway. So, you
can't make it bigger, right? That's part of the non-conforming. Remember the event of that. But any increase in area frontage with yard depth requirements inception not apply to a vacant lot or single family two family use which has lease less than
5,000 square ft. So I I I don't think you can do anything without a special permit which is planning board. I don't even think we need to we could even hear it. >> He's nine square feet short. >> Yeah. No 4300 200 and something square feet short. >> All right.
No, I wouldn't say I if he was nine square feet, I'd be like, "Wow, all right. Come on." But but it's.11 acres. So if you do the math, it's 4791 >> square feet for the lot, which to me shuts down number one right away from us because we it'd have to go to the
planning board, period. >> A special permit >> for a special permit to even try to do anything on the lot because they'd have to give them that. That's a direct special permit. We can't even vote on it because it doesn't have 5,000 square feet. That's what I That's how I took it. Now, maybe I'm wrong.
>> That That's if you're making something bigger, right? Or that >> he is. >> Well, I'm [laughter] That's That's you know, that's what he's >> And it has to have 50 foot of frontage, which he basically has 50 feet, two 25 foot lots, >> right, >> that they put together is 50. So, he
literally made that, but he's short on the square feet. Oh, here he is. >> Lost. >> Yeah. You can't see >> 18528. >> Sorry. How you doing? Good to see you.
>> We have to go back around. >> Um, >> that's where you're sitting here. >> Good. >> I can sit next to Paul. What an honor. Hey, not everybody has that. >> So, so then because going into the second one, the non-conforming
structure, which it is, right? proposed alteration to a residential use building or structure and provided that the lawful use of the non-conforming residential building has not been abandoned or discontinued for three years which I know it hasn't in which case an applicant should submit a site
plan for review by the planning board. So it all points back to the planning board, not even us before the planning board has to approve the site plan. Then we'd have to approve. This is those ones that it's actually got to go back to them, I think, before we can do any dimensional because we don't even have the ability to do dimensions to it
because it's not it's that bad of a non-conforming lot. That's my thought. I mean, I read it three times and I was like, wait a minute, the square footage is a big banger right there. Minimum. He doesn't even meet the minimum to even do anything on the lot without a planning board. >> What street are we doing? lake. Um yeah,
I want to say it wrong. I'm always on North Lake. >> You had the wrong number. >> Yeah, it's across from um the old ranch house. You know, the curve you go around where the ranch house is or the um skybox, the bar, you know, the Oaken Keg,
>> one of those lift. >> So, you go around the corner, it's almost like right across the street and it goes down right to the lake. >> Okay. >> So, it's on the top of the hill before you go down and it's a little white bungalow. Well, like you said, 700 and something square feet, but it's two
bedroom. That's going to be fun. But like I said, the but the lot to me was like it doesn't have the even 5,000 square ft. So we >> Right. >> We really have nothing no purview, >> right? >> At this point, it's all planning. >> If if the proposal >> Yep.
>> was to replace the existing little garage, >> then then I thought that, you know, if there would be something that we could we could probably talk about. It's the same footprint, but it's not going to be doubling it.
>> With non-conforming, you can't add it bigger. If it >> if it had been the exact same footprint, >> he's not going to have 10 ft. He's only got a foot. >> All that really is. >> But if you're replacing something that's already there, >> no. No. I I if he had the same foundation, if you will, or shadow.
>> Exactly. >> But he's not. >> No. Oh, no. >> So, that's that's a dinger. If he if he did keep that, he wanted to do that. Right. >> You don't want to cuz get this >> cuz it's just a garage. He already has that. >> Right. >> Right. Reside it, fix it up, and >> say the garage is ready to fall down.
>> That's what I mean. So, you can replace it if you want, but >> it's got to be in the same footprint, right, to stay informed. >> I think 10% it can be within 10% of the >> Right. But he's got 100% >> of [clears throat] the current, right? >> He wants 100%. >> He's like he wants 80%.
So, >> so, but I think the 5,000 lot really kicks it. >> Okay. >> And they're not going to like that at the planning board either. But, >> um, yeah, but I I all all points back to the needs to talk to the planning board before us. >> That's what I think.
>> Back back in ancient ages. >> Yep. >> We could do special pros. >> Ding, ding, ding, ding. [laughter] with the new special permit for the uh >> right >> town meeting they knocked it down
>> really what was that in the 80s 90s >> had to be 90s probably when you >> it's [snorts] not that long >> no so it wasn't 34 years really >> I think I was on the board so you know >> yeah you were >> so they want but they wanted to kick it to the planning board right
>> the planning board wanted That's what I mean. Yeah. >> Well, they got it. >> I I obviously, but >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know what criteria they used to >> Well, I think if you have a conversation, were you talking to Walt
or you talking to Tom? >> I wasn't talking to anybody. I didn't have a >> I didn't have a contact. >> Reading this, I would say that they they need to >> they [clears throat] could put a withdrawal on this project, but I think it has to go in front of the planning board for a discussion, not us. Right.
>> And then if they think they like the project, then they could go to a a meeting and if they they approve the parent, we're out of it anyway. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't even come to us. >> So it'll go right to the building department. >> That's >> I just I I mean you can imagine if Tom
said here, [laughter] >> are you out of your mind? Shame on you. >> [laughter] >> How would you expect us to the passport board member? He was an engineer and he used to draw while the guy was talking and come up with the you mean like this you want
>> but he'd call it Ace and Ace in a hurry. [laughter] Um anyway, but it was great because it was a good it was a good balance that was like, "No, this isn't going to work. This is ridiculous." You know, >> I mean, you could we went back so far, remember, we used to do this percentage of square foot to the lot to what you
could do >> as kind of a rule of thumb and that's >> that's nowhere near that. It was blow it away. So, >> so >> I have a question as to >> this new law which we don't have much guidance on >> and they're mentioning in this that
eventually they want it to be a place where they can live >> right >> my mom and fiance now you can build it a small house in the backyard right could [clears throat] you build in the front >> but there's limitations to that too you
can't put it on a you know a science lab either it's got be on a lot that's big enough to hold it, >> right? >> Um so that doesn't either that doesn't qualify. But if it did, might it get be through the planning board? >> Yeah. >> Either way, just because of the fact that they put that 5,000 requirement. >> Yeah.
>> He's short of it. >> So that's got to go to them directly anyway. And that would be their decision 100%. So after that doesn't need us. >> But the state hasn't given much guidance as to how >> would you expect it? >> Not in this state. I don't [laughter]
>> not for your life. But um they just they just want to tax it more. That's all that's all they're happy about. >> Um anyway, yeah. So that's my opinion. I I don't know. I I don't even know think if we should waste our time to even hear it because we really can't do anything
with it until the planning board and they would just handle it. >> Well, >> that's what they're for. I guess I might say that you should have the hearing and just tell them >> if if you want if you want to make it simple and have the planning board
approve it, then you have to use the same footprint >> and they'll say, "No, I'm not going to do that." Then you say, "All right, well, you got to go to the planning board." >> Uh, yeah, but we can't even vote on it. No, but you you would tell I think
telling them in a in a official public hearing setting gets it on record that that that you're >> handing it off to the planning board. I don't >> I'd write a I'd write a letter and then have it on record and then the board's covered because we responded
to the request and based on these two facts. >> Mhm. >> It's not approved for the zoning. The thing you also have to be careful of is there's a time limit from the time they uh submitted it.
And if we don't rule on it from their submission to us, >> it would automatically >> be approved. What are we ruling on? >> Got to make sure we got it covered. >> That's what the letter I think the letter covers us. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Because it's time it's dated. Yeah. >> So, whatever it's going to be within
whatever two, three weeks of their submission and then they can reapply to the planning board and they don't pay the fee. >> We should ask, you know what I'm saying? >> Already advertised, >> paid for the advertisement for this.
>> So, maybe a phone call to planning board to see >> we should right >> just to see if that's if they're in agreement. If they're not in agreement, >> who's the chairman of the planning board? I don't miss a Wendy something. >> Yeah, I don't remember. I'll have to
look it up. But um got another option and say we got this application in and it's basically for this and then here's what we see. >> Yeah. Ask them if they want to withdraw their application because they need to go to planning then we're covered
because they withdrawn the thing. >> Yeah, that'd be my point in the letter. we really think you need to withdraw and then reapply with planning board and I think the town would probably work with them with a fee. They would hope that, you know, >> probably not, right? But, you know,
that's that's but that's the that's the clerk not knowing either. They just take the money and they, you know, they don't care. But that should have been a question right away if somebody had like, oh, this might be another board. I don't know who
makes that call, you know, >> but I mean I think it's pretty black and black and white, you know, especially at least less than 5,000 at least 5,000 I should say to it technically correct. And they're over 200 feet shy of that. It's not like it's
two or three feet like you said if it was like eight or nine feet maybe, you know. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're good. >> We'll bless that and go on. But >> but that's a lot. you know, 200 feet to almost the size of the garage. >> That's currently there. That's my thought. >> And if you want to hear it, if you want
to continue, I guess it is what it is. We can do that. The hearing going to say, look, but then they're going to say, why'd you waste my time? >> Well, that's why if we send him a letter, >> right, I would like Yeah. Why' you bother >> to come here if you're going to say, you know, it's not us. You know, we should
notify him. >> So, shouldn't we just notify them? But they have to actually withdraw their >> has the public hearing been advertised in the paper. >> So I I don't know how that advertise I don't know how that affects anything
that >> and it was well over 400 this time. So >> cheap at twice the price. >> Was it really? >> I think was it $479 >> for an application? >> No, we advertising
>> advertising it. Oh, >> was $150 for the app. Didn't go up or for the app. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Plus, we got $700 into this. >> Well, we're not pay. >> No, I'm paying between the um
>> Yeah. So, advertised or when? >> Uh for Monday the 2. >> Two weeks from tonight. >> Oh, that's the one you're talking. You won't be here. >> No, I'll be here. Chris won't be here. >> Will the newspaper allow them to >> I know somebody going to be here. >> That's illegal. No, they don't. That's
already out. >> So, >> that's a procedural question that I don't never I don't think we ever ran across before. How do we deal with that? But >> call your friendly select board. Hey, any >> Well, you're [clears throat] not really
wasting that much of their time, you know. You don't >> No, but it's weeks. They're going to have to reapply though, which means they may spend more money on an application, which sucks. >> I I guess I'd say have >> continue it,
>> you know, either have either continue it or have indefinitely or have them withdraw it. >> Yeah. Because if we continue it, we're not going to recede again if it goes to planning. >> They'll just take it over, >> right? We would have to vote to say no if we wanted to get rid of it
or ask them to withdraw it. That's That's the better option. >> Yeah. >> That's why I'm saying >> we would at this point we would not >> let it go through. >> Yeah. >> Well, isn't better just to kind of continue it and and >> you can't just continue it. You have to
>> you have to have an end. >> You have to have within a certain amount of time. You have to makeision on it unless they meeting of the planning board meeting after they've they've gone before the planning board.
Well, then they have to you, we and they have to set a time that that would be you can't just leave it open-ended. I guess I mean the best thing for them to do would be to withdraw. >> Withdraw because you don't want us to say no.
>> But then they'd have to if for some reason they had to come back to us, they'd have to pay the application fee again >> again. >> Yes. But most likely they're not going to have to >> they won't because they come to >> if once they go back to the planning board they they do everything. They issue special permit and it goes right
to the building inspector. >> Yeah. >> There you it actually is an easier path because there's no hearing. >> But they're going to have to vote on it too and it could not pass them. >> And if they don't get it, we would never see it because we couldn't hear it. >> See what I'm saying? It's sort of like that. >> Yeah.
>> You know, you're in a bad cycle with us. It's not even a ZBA concern right now. It's a planning board concern. Unless the planning board determines it is, >> but then they'll just issue a special permit and he doesn't have to come to us. That's what they do it for. It won't need the ZBA because of the permit. They'll they'll issue everything they
want on the permit and they give them the either the prove the planning or or plan or they'll readjust it, but it'll be their decision then, which I think they wanted for the non-conforming like you said. They wanted that. >> So, they have it.
>> That's my thought. I mean I like I said they if they had to kick us back then it would be that but you know again I don't see how it would fit because they have to have 10 ft and if they tear that down and rebuild it they can't go any bigger
again if the special permit allows it then we don't need us because they're going to give them that that that variance. So I it's I just think they got to withdraw that would be the cleanest for them. >> Yes. For us too. >> And us too. Um, that's my opinion. >> Mhm. >> We don't I mean you can disagree. I
guess we can have it, but >> since the hearing is advertised, I think you have to have have the hearing and then >> just say >> because you know explain all the stuff. >> Maybe we dug into a little deeper and we found this is is an issue. >> So we >> somebody we really can't even vote. All
we could do is tell them to withdraw. >> It's possible that somebody should have caught this before the application came in, but I don't know who that would be. >> That's what I mean. And I I don't have an answer for that. I don't know if there is an answer to that. >> They took time to do all this. They must must have talked to somebody.
>> Correct. >> Who knows who? I mean, this must have been an architect this >> Yeah. The fiance Walt Cob design. >> Oh, >> so it's the guy that wants to build the
one that drew it. uh [laughter] >> so high school uh drafting. >> No, it's a little more than that, but it's probably a little uh uh what do you call it? Uh AutoCAD drawing and but um yeah. All right. So, >> that's what you have to do.
>> Let's let's I'll be glad to glad to address it and tell and kind of send them away. >> I think >> with with the withdrawals, you know, we have withdrawal form that we keep >> because I like them do it here and then covers us and then they could get can get filed. You can also toss out the thing. Well, if you if you built on the
ex existing foundation, then then >> then that does belong to us. >> Fair enough. >> Right. >> Fair enough. >> No. No, it doesn't. It doesn't because it's a non-conforming law. It doesn't have 5,000 square feet. >> So, they can't touch it. We can't We
can't even judge on it. It's got to be clean. >> We built the same exact size garage. >> If it's the same, >> they're demolishing. They're They're doing work to it. >> I know. I know what they want to do. But >> No, no, no. But even if they touch the old one, it's still on here is even if they touch it. >> Oh, >> it says it's got to have 5,000 square feet.
>> I thought in case of fire or something. >> Well, that's different. But we don't have that. >> All right. All right. >> Unless they come back and say it burned down. [laughter] >> They can't take it down as long as they rebuild it on within 10% of the existing
thing. They don't need a variance. >> If they have 5,000 square feet, this I'm telling you, the whole thing starts at the lot. >> Yeah. The lot has to be a minimum before they could do anything to it without planning board approval >> and I get the reason they're doing it. >> But that would mean if they needed it
passed, right? But if it was already there, >> did they go to the building department in they could rebuild it? >> They go to the building department for for, you know, rebuild permit for that. It's like doing work on your house. Hey, I'm going to re renovate and it would be a building department.
>> I think maybe you also have to ask question. Is this really an ADU? Right. >> Because if if it is then they have to the planning department >> planning board would have anyway. >> Planning board have to know that. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> You mentioned the sky box earlier,
Bill. >> You mentioned the sky box earlier known as that. >> We did a different thing. >> I know we did for the for the kitchen. I just or the portable kitchen. >> Yeah, you wanted that too. I mean for parking. It was something with the
fencing back there. >> The back, >> you know, rail trail took most of it >> and and they weren't very happy with it. The planning board wasn't very happy and that's when all things changed. >> But see what I'm saying? Even to your point, Mike, you're saying the lawful
use of the non-conforming applicant shall submit a site plan for review by the planning board, not us. whatever they want to do to it has to go to the planning board because it doesn't meet the 5,000 square feet. I didn't >> because I would think I think what the
planning board is saying I could get saying hey if you got a 300 foot lot and you want to put a house on it we need to know we could be idiots and say sure go ahead but they be like wait a minute you know it's that's not part of the town structure for me right that's what the planning board is supposed to be helping
with is what's good for the town and you know anyway I that is my unless we can want to confirm that this 28 if I'm we're misinterpreting it but I No, I >> I don't see how we are based on number one her single family lot
>> I >> has at least 5,000 square feet and 50 foot of frontage. >> They had the frontage but they're short on the square feet of frontage. So I think our only concern is is getting it off our
and like you said put it to the planning board. But we have to do >> in that public hearing because I think we have to address it in the public forum and just say >> we know what you want to do and appreciate but based on the non-conforming structure of 18528 we
have to refer you to the planning board. >> So I would encourage you to withdraw >> Yeah. >> from this and then reapply to the planning board. >> Yeah. >> And leave it at that and then we we could vote on the accepting the withdrawal. Right. >> Yeah. >> And it's done. >> Okay. then it kind of makes the legal
bow, >> right? >> Fair enough. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Okay, that's what shall be done. Put in the law. >> It shall be. So, all right. Thank you. That was interesting. I like it. But as soon as I saw like I know the owner, so I have to recuse anyway. So, you'd have
to be here, Mike. This person is not going to be here. So, I would still say you can make it. >> I can. >> But I could probably vote on the on the withdrawal if you weren't here because we're not making a decision. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. Number two, 10y drive. Uh I
think every everybody might be out in the who drive >> 10. >> No, no plans except for Scotland Island, right? >> Yes. No formal plans. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, the uh applicant wants to put a
carport that has some living space over the over it. He wants to have a uh one floor living kind of situation as opposed to what what he has what he has now. >> That's that's what it looks like right now. I think he wants powerport on.
>> So he wants to extend extend out I guess from where that this white line >> stairs are to the Yeah. >> thing here. >> Yeah. So that top of the garage. So, he wants to come up >> bump out >> come out and put a room, >> right, and have a carport underneath
because I' I've seen his garage and there's no >> you couldn't put a a model car in there. >> So, uh and that has I mean I don't know the setback that he's coming forward.
>> Yeah. >> Quite a bit. >> Right. >> This is Yeah. Yeah. I think it's in there too, Paul. I didn't I just gave you mine to look at. You want it back? >> No, no. I had an idea. I looked through it to say today. So, but the point is is I don't know, you know, is that the side
or the front? >> That's the front. >> So, that's that's exactly going against what >> this is the real narrow street. >> Oh, it is. It's a lake. It's a lake area,
>> but I mean it's not a closed structure, but it is going to have a roof and a second story which doesn't go over the top of the other one, but so it's not going to be seen by much as far as impeding anybody's view, I don't think. >> Did they say how far out um it comes?
>> That's a good question. I don't know if they saw that. Did they? >> Yeah. >> He's looking for relief, right, for >> Yeah. He's looking >> front set back and frontage. We know the lottery and frontage. That's kind of a given, but Right. >> But the side set back, it's another one, too, that I thought was interesting
because it's not any wider than the house, but they may not have that already. >> Oh, no. Doesn't meet the side. Okay. >> Well, it doesn't. >> Yeah. >> Now, the closest point of the new carport would be 15 feet from the street.
>> Wow. So I bet you it's 12 or 15 feet deep carport. >> Yeah, >> because it doesn't look like it's more than 30 now, right? >> What's the distance of most garages?
>> You mean distance >> front to back? >> 20. >> Most garages >> 20 24. Yeah. >> If you get if you get 24, you nice to get a little like a work area in front, that kind of thing. But usually 20 ft 10
by or 20 by 18 or 20 by 20 sometimes are usually odd. Right. >> You get two 9 foot doors and then >> Yeah. And the car fits easily 20. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. But but that's that's you're talking about, you know, right
out here. >> Yeah. >> You know, your road is right there. You're going to turn into the carport. interesting the >> Yeah. And the size of the carport is pretty much determined by the >> by the living area living area.
Although this little this little bump out here is >> Yeah. >> might be negotiable. >> Sure. >> So he's >> from what I can see this right here. I don't know what that 151 is. Does 151 go back to here or is
151 >> 151 the total total depth of the lot? >> Yeah. >> Back to here. >> Yeah. >> All the way to it's the water. The lake is is in the back. Yeah.
>> But that it's literally you know right to the street. He would the staircase man. No, you take that out too, huh? >> Plus, he doesn't bend, right? So, he could be I mean I mean Yeah. >> He knows legally he could be on the street. Well, they owe them plus what
the town has what 15 ft from the street >> or >> I think simple >> for sidewalk area is or is it 5T cuz whatever the property line you know read straight line there's five there's a setback on that for the sidewalk area it's at least five it's not 10 feet
because you don't own what you think you do [clears throat] you know what I mean >> well as a leaving room for sidewalk >> no well I don't know but he isn't >> and if we give him that he's That's such a tough area. But what >> with with >> stairs stay? >> Okay, they do. They just didn't show in
that picture, but they're coming right up >> right up here and then >> probably want to draw the stairs and trees even. >> Right. So, it's going to go right up peak. >> Yeah. >> And then the carport here and a room above this.
>> So, the windows become the the entry for the room. >> Yes. Wow. I get it. But he doesn't have 30 foot setback. >> That's
a Am I looking at this right? That so on this side here he's saying he's going to have 19 ft from the road. This isn't the old This isn't what's currently there. >> Correct. >> It's this picture of what he's going to
do or what's currently there. >> No, that's that's the new >> that's the new. >> Right. >> So since the street is at an angle, it's 19 on that side. Yeah, 15. >> The closest closest points are 15, >> which is
60 foot relief, >> right? >> Hey, I'm good with the lot in this. I I get that. But boy, that's he's really pinned to where he could build on that because the back drops off pretty drastically, I believe, on this.
>> That's pretty he wants to do it in the front anyway. One of the points he make >> is that the other houses >> in that area, many of them are right close to the road length. [clears throat] >> Oh, that doesn't >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's precedence. That doesn't
matter to us. >> I mean, yeah. >> When I I went down there, it's true. This would this change as drawn wouldn't look completely out of place in that in that neighborhood. I mean, it's not it's not good to add to the the clutter, but
it's but it's definitely not uh out of out of uh out of sorts with what's what else is around there. >> But this this addition that's that's actually a room is 17 ft deep. That's that's pretty big.
>> Yeah, cuz he wants to put a full car under it just about. >> No, I meant just the living space. >> I know, but that's the carport >> that's underneath it, right? But but building a bedroom that's 17 I know is pretty big. So >> yeah, >> 26 by 17.
>> The proposed room above the carpet could use as a lower level bedroom should it eventual physical decline makes stairs difficult. Well, you still got to get out of there and go downstairs. We don't have an elevator unless you're putting something in to get up there. But I get it. I mean, they get the the
hardship. >> So, how close are we getting here? I don't >> um 15 ft to the closest point. It's got an angle P. So So the 19 foot will be one corner and then 15 ft would be the other corner if you square it off
on the road. >> Okay. >> Right. >> But is that the line or not? >> It looks like street. Yeah, it does. No. I couldn't find any. >> Um, and it was used to slip int.
>> And then the other room could be utilized, which would be immediately utilized, I'm sure. Bedroom or whatever, but >> or >> where's your 75 ft, mister? 75 ft. >> Yeah, I know. Well, >> like anybody down there doesn't have 75 ft. I know. that my my tussle is we keep
it's one thing but now you're going to do 60 foot relief and only have 15 foot from you know >> that's a big chunk of of relief you know >> um whereas he doesn't have any there's no op he could go five feet and still be
way close to the road because it's only set off 30 feet you know >> so you said it was like 17 by 23 >> room that's better >> so if we wanted to allow it. >> That's a math. >> If we wanted to allow it, what what
would we say the size of his bedroom would be then? >> You know, I mean, I know there was a compromise. >> But if you come is 10 ft a big compromise in this situation. >> You're still giving 50 foot.
>> You're giving more than half of what he needs, you know. Um, >> well, they have to have at least 15 ft for the carport, I would guess, right? Otherwise, your car's going to be sticking out. [clears throat]
>> Yeah, I get I get the re I mean, that's a minimum. Even then, it's like you're probably bumper out, you know, or close to it. >> Oh, challenges. I think the reason for this little extension is he has a pickup truck that
that takes up takes up a lot of space. It wants to be able to get in wants to be able to get in this door with it with the truck in there. >> Now, it's a case of, you know, asking asking for what you want and then maybe
settling for what what you can get. So, a couple of the things here you can wipe off right away if you were to say you can have the cardboard, but you can't have the room above it. So, one of the hardships, of course, is
the snow and ice. That's gone. If he can still have his carport, but and only the last one would you not be meeting. But but adding the room doesn't really >> make the variance
make the variance any bigger. That's >> it's the carport. It's >> make the variance for carport. [clears throat] Anything you put above it is just gravy after that. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. We couldn't I mean [clears throat] >> I'm all for trying to be safe and I get that. But
>> again, does 10 feet make us feel better? It doesn't give any any help. It makes you look better on paper, but physically you're from here to the wall, you know, >> right? >> You might as well have if you have motorcycles, you're okay, you know? You know, but a car it's I mean, average
car is 18 ft, 15 18 feet anyway. And like you said, the truck's probably 20, >> right? >> That's why he wants the extra, you know, >> two two [clears throat] three Paul's truck, you need 30. [laughter] >> Two two or three years ago. >> That's a big truck. 29 and 29.
>> We allowed somebody to build really close. >> They were putting a garage >> and their neighbor agreed that two. >> Well, he had that on here too, didn't he? Didn't he have in the Butters? >> Yeah. >> With a with a like They're okay. I think in that I think in that thing I saw somewhere they had a Butters that he had
already sent it to. >> And at that time we allowed a garage to be placed there and it really Yeah. >> was almost in the road. They couldn't had they didn't know where the pins were and >> Right. Yeah. [clears throat] So, here's
he's got signatures of his uh >> neighbors that are right about them with approvals for us to look at, you know, like they're okay with it. >> And of course, it's road too. >> Oh, what's this girl? Oh, >> they told him we didn't care about his neighbors or
>> Yeah. >> Butter's initials and approval boxes indicate they reviewed your information. I have no objection concerning to the addition of tener koi. >> That's me. >> Paid them all off. >> All right. That's what that's what the
numbers are. We'll have to >> so [clears throat] negotiated we have the hearing. Think got a month to think about it. I'll I'll contact this guy and say uh you might want to
>> I have a plan B. >> Yeah. maybe our options. I mean, I I'll drive I'll stop there. I'll drive and kind of just walk out and look. I mean, it's I got the picture of it. I mean, it's You're talking This room's about about 12 ft wide. Well, how the bricks,
right? Two 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 ft. >> Yeah. >> So, about 20 ft. >> Oh, wow. >> So, that's how deep it's going to be. >> Yeah. >> And it's probably what? 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 20. So 23 would be like the end of
the sign >> scientific this room right here. That's that's what going to be above the >> cardboard. [clears throat] >> And and according to the law that eaves hanging over the very end of that is the
>> he won't get that. >> No, but I'm that's the shadow you're saying. Well, they call it an appendage is anything that hangs over is where the >> I'm going to leave that >> end. So even though the house is
>> I know I know I know >> there's another foot >> that hangs over that's by law. >> The hard part we've ever ever seen is trying to add going proud of the house, right? But you have no choice here because there's nothing else. You can't
go to the side. You can't go >> to the back. So that is the the only option. [clears throat] >> You look at this picture right here. >> This picture right here. Look at the end
of the street >> and it looks like that garage is right on >> right down the street. >> What's the um dimensions? 12 20. You wanted 20 by 23. >> See that at the very >> or 17 by 23, right? Is that what we had? Yeah. >> So, okay.
>> Obviously, right down there. >> So, that that's that bump out right here, the extra. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, technically, he's only looking for >> 15 17 >> 17 out from the house.
So, we allow that and not have the extra bump. That's what 4t 5t. No, six feet. That's that's a lot. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's me. Well, 6'2. That's me laying down, >> you know. Um, and it's a short area that
like you said for the truck to fit in. >> But if [clears throat] we allow that, then that gets the from the driveway now. 21 and 25 ft off the driveway. >> The other corner would still be 15. >> That's without this little bump.
>> No, right here. we go in cuz that's for the bump out. If we took that away, that 15 goes to less six. >> So, we'd add, you know, you take six out of that or add six, excuse me. So, you'd be seven, you'd be 21 ft at the worst case
and then 25 ft from the bar angle away from the road, respectively. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> That's better. Yeah, that's better to me as a as a a
help. Still gives you undercover at 17 ft. It would cover most cars. >> Yeah, >> the truck bed may be sticking out a little bit, but we're backing in and have the nose out, but you know, >> still got that there, but still. >> What is What is the purpose is the question.
>> Y what's up? >> What is really his purpose? Why does he want a carport? >> For safety. They're elderly, for snow, slip, blah blah blah. All right. But well, like I said, you don't need the extra, >> correct? >> Mhm. >> You have to try to explain that.
>> Well, because I know uh Yeah. I mean, I get the I get it. You going to, you know, you say, "Why why is this bumped out?" >> Yeah. >> Why not just, you know, that'll come out? ood. I'll say, "Okay, we can get
you we can get you something who are closer, but I like I like the 17. I actually like 15, but you know, 17 at least puts a carp >> and that is a decent size room." >> Yeah. >> 17 by 23. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We don't care if the bedroom library or >> No, I don't have any qualms about that. It's it's how far we're coming this way is what I'm bothered by. um [clears throat] for for snow removal, for everything like on the town truck. I mean, you'd be right there. So, a car could be sitting
right on that on that. So, now they're going to be pushed back a little bit. >> Six feet's a big deal. >> That's a lot. You know, you're bucking from me to Wendy. That's a big deal from a plow going by or, you know, you're not >> you're not impeding [clears throat]
anything else on the road by chance. So, >> Oh, peace. >> That's my thought. Emergency vehicle, you name it. There's all kinds of stuff that can be argued there why we wouldn't want you closer. >> From from my visits with him, he's a he's a reasonable guy and he's an engineer. >> And again, I'm trying to say he's got a
reasonable request. >> He understands all >> and he's got a decent hardship based on there's no area to go there. You know, there's nothing undercover. >> You go from the street to the house, right? So, if you have area at least protect you from you drive in, you don't have to get out on wet p or icy
pavement. You got dry pavement. That's that's a help. >> But >> all right. >> All right. That's I would say if you guys drive by, drive by. But I think that makes sense to your point too, Mike. Like you said, what what the room is is that's fine. But the carport is
probably what we're going to approve the dimensions and whatever. You can put a night up there. They got permit for >> we use sidewalk chalk. So they probably didn't stay. So, but I I think 15 foot is fair to accomplish what you you don't have
>> right >> available, you know, and there isn't much choice. We can't push them anywhere else though. >> And I think that's a and he's owned it for a while. So, it's I think the our agent is not just bought it trying to plug it. They'll get credit. So, I think they're there. But irrespective, it's
just what makes sense for the street. >> They are not all pushed back because there's no room >> to go back. So they're all kind of encroaching on the road, >> but the least encroachment is probably the our I think responsibility to do. >> I I I also think the mitigating factor
is basically on a dead end and a lot of the other houses in the >> Yeah. The traffic is low. >> We have that there. So it's not like you're putting on a main drag. >> Yeah. >> And again, [clears throat] be glad to try to help, but this is what I think is fair. >> Yeah. And if he doesn't like it, well,
you can come back with another one or he can be happy that he got that and run to the >> building department in 20 days. >> He understand. >> Yeah, he's got a very little to play with, you know, the sandbox. >> All right. Fair enough. >> That's all I wanted to talk about. >> No, that's cool. I I appreciate it. I
think uh I think the consensus on Lake or Lake say Lake Pe all the time. North Lake um is is reasonable. Well, well, I don't want to even get into it like before you dissertation of this really I need to have this discussion and then
make a decision. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And then the other one we can play with a little bit. I think we'll be we'll come up with something. >> All right. >> All right. In your absence, >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll >> second. Second in >> favor. I Hey, you're out of here. Thanks, guys.
>> Yeah. Thanks for