##VIDEO ID:fxVqZIASIzw## okay so I'm going to call the order of the zoning board we're already at 704 in attendance have Paul gregar bias and William Liss and secretary got people coming on yeah okay you the video down in the corner there D you can click that video way back yep click that start the start video [Music] camera I know the 's on technology okay beating with all camera right [Music] yeah okay is the camera plugged in there to the computer y we can always go on audio with the people on there I guess we can look at the partip your pip to let them in right there H they in admit admit people okay all right can you all hear us unmute your mics to talk okay we got there we go I don't know who that is is that Dave no this is uh Stephen you're muted Steve you got to unmute your mic okay are you representing dco no I'm just I'm a neighbor ccher okay does he not here back I think it's the the gray one no I think it's the one closest to the right here I think yeah the one closest to wind we can do both can you can you hear me yeah now we got you oh okay good sorry we're having some video issues here but if we have audio at least you can you can hear the proceedings we can see you though you don't want to see me [Laughter] then okay uh let's see and your name was I'm Steve salvan with svan Associates okay so you're you're the one that did the plot the plan correct are you representing Dave on this yes I am and I'm he's uh trying to log in with his daughter's computer so okay not sure how he'll show up here or if he will but we'll press on okay um so let me read the uh the notice um notice is is hereby given by public hearing to be held Monday January 13th 2025 at 7:05 p.m. not bad we're 7:06 to hear the petition of David Greco for property located at 65 Tanner Road in Southwick Mass the applicant is Seeking a front setback variance of 25 ft in order to construct a single family home on the property meeting will be a hybrid in person in Zoom best we can the conference room two which we are in town hall okay so petitioner Dave Greco but in representation Joe Stephen you want to uh kind of tell us what he's trying to do can we get rid of the board of appeals thing yeah if you want sure yeah fine is we might have we've got Haley okay Martin haly uh this is Dave Greco I'm using Haley's computer okay Dave all right well do you do you want to talk I mean I know Steve's done the work but I'd like to hear what you're you're trying to do Dave well I want to construct a single family home on that piece on 65 Tannery Road I live in the house right next door understood um we got a 50 foot setback for the house next door and I kind of wanted to match the um the house that I'm going to build next door and the reason is because I'm kind of like into the wetlands as it is now so I would say you're really into the wetlands yeah the 100 foot buffer Dave that's delineated on your on your print which I assume because I did some research on it puts you basically the front corner of your house so you're putting two-thirds of the house into the wetlands right well let me may I interject yeah sure yeah the the the house is not going to be in the wetlands there's a 50 foot no touch buffer zone and if you look on the plan that was provided it shows okay yeah it shows an older Sellar hole where they or somebody tried to dig a while back before day and if we do the 75 foot setback the back of the house is going to be right up to the 50 Foot no touch I got there'd be no back you wouldn't be able to walk out the out the back door of the house house so we just want to slide it Forward 25 ft um which is in keeping with some of the other houses in the neighborhood um and that allows for him to put up a house that would actually somebody would be able to enjoy a backyard of some sort they wouldn't they wouldn't be able to go way back but they'd at least have a backyard so the front of the house right now that you're showing proposed is 50 ft from the front correct okay all right um where did the 50 Foot no touch come from that's that's southwick's Southwick has their own Wetland bylaw yeah I agree that that adds to that and uh if you do work within a 50 foot in the 50 Foot you have to go for a notice of intent and then they have a no touch Zone and what it does is it just uh for this particular lot the extra the extra added uh regulations by the town of Southwick makes it more difficult to put this house back where the 75 foot would be of course because yeah if the tone of Southwick didn't have its own regulation in addition to the regular wetlands bylaw we wouldn't be having this discussion but the town of Southwick added their own bylaws which is perfectly fine but what it does is just kind of complicated this yeah I'm I'm looking at chapter 450 which is our water Wetlands regulations um 40 4506 actually and there's a buffer zone that's laid out on existing and it says 100 ft I don't know where the not touch 50 is from South like I only see 100 which obviously delineated on this drawing as well right but the the 100 foot buffer is broken into two sections you have an outer 50 and an inner 50 and they allow certain things in the outer 50 that they don't allow within the inner 50 and then even within 25 fet it gets even more uh regulated so they break the they break the 100 foot buffer down buffer zone down into two outer 5050 and inner 50 experience I don't I don't know we've run into I'm saying just because the buffer Zone's been an issue with other properties conservation usually got involved so have you been to the conservation committee with this no we wanted to go to you guys first because if we right well what's the sense in going to conservation if we don't get the variance so this safe Dave some money so in the same vein I flip that and say we're giving a variance on what Backlot because it's not established where the buffer zone really is based on what conservation would allow see what I mean so there's kind of like the Catch 22 not really we have a we have a professional Wetland scientist that delineated the wetlands and we've been before the Conservation Commission many times and they they uh they generally agree with our Wetland delineation um and so I don't the we the conservation part for us is probably the the more common thing that we do we don't usually have to seek a variance but in this case we felt going for the variance first would be the best choice for our client okay uh 25 is what's needed plus there there this is in R20 so there's actually a lot variant too because the lot is not 40,000 square F feet it's only 276 um to 69 Acres um so there would be a lot lot variance as well that's needed for this to make it right but that's beside the point like this I think the setback I I mean trying to look and I know the the the road a lot of the houses some have 75 some don't you know down that that stretch of road that's part of what we look at as well is what's Equitable for the for the street line too you know to look you don't want one way up front one way back that's why this buffer zone really kind of intrigues me but even at the the 75 70 foot which I mean we've had 70 foot before I just never heard of the 50 no touch from an active one you know that's an active Wetland for sure back there well they they have like I said they break their 100 foot bu down into two sections outer 50 inner 50 and then the inner 50 gets even more regulated I understand I agree I mean that's why that's why I saw the 100 I I didn't see the breakdown that's why I'm I'm questioning that's me oh see we do we do show the 50 Foot on the plan oh I do I agree no I see it yeah and it and it just happens to be right at the back line of where somebody had tried to put a seller hole in before yeah and we recognize you know that's not the best place to put a house if you slide it Forward course if you could slide it Forward it'd be awesome so right now the house is proposed to be 26 feet deep right uh yes yeah so yep about 30 um trying to get it off the road as much as possible if we could but without well like you said giving some backyard but again in Wetland as long as you don't build something you usually can you know put a pick the table or something like that or portable stuff but um well you're also selling probably going to sell the house to a family and they're going to have kids so they're going to want a yard of some sort you know understood I know um but it's just you know obviously trying to mitigate what the zoning is and what you have to you know offer yeah I just I mean uh 25 is not horrible we just it would be nice if it was 20 or eight you know what I mean lesser the better that means it's pushed back a little bit more if we went 60 feet and had 15 you know what I'm saying yeah and and then you're compromising still getting a backyard but we're getting that closer to that 75 um and and still is the hardship of the Topography of the land because of the wetlands what is the existing 70 foot um what is that for that would be I think with 75 that's where the house would be that's why he's going forward 20 feet so like said Stephen on this existing 70 foot setback line right if if we got to that you'd only need 5 feet and you'd probably go back what 12 or 10 ft back towards that line in the wetlands buffer you know what I mean it still allows some yard side yard especially so say that again I kind of lost you yeah you see the ex there's an existing 70 foot setback Lane that's kind of delineated through the two-thirds of the house yeah so so if we met that 70 foot with the front of the house you only need five foot variants and you go only going back the house would be pushed back about 15 ft well we're also looking at what the neighborhood kind of consists of at this too there it's not right it wouldn't be you wouldn't you wouldn't drive down the street and notice the difference if we had if you give it the the 50 Foot you you would drive down the street you would not even perceive that distance oh you got any other questions with that you got I mean everything you put I want because I want to be able to then open it to uh any any uh AB Butters that are here so can I say something sure Dave um I got a variance for my house which is next door on 63 I got a 50 foot uh I'm 50 feet from the road uh because I matched everything going towards College Highway they're all 50 foot 48 right 4850 um so that's why I did a 50 foot on mine plus to get me out of the wetlands on mine I got you which is not I'm not saying it's it's wrong I'm just obviously trying to mitigate both as much as yeah I just think it' be kind of strange having one set back an extra 25 feet you know trying to preserve the Wetland so you I mean it's not 25 is 50 foot setback is not not horrible from from a a visual I know that um the stakes that are on the property is that is that what is that stake out is that stake out where the houses to be built I thought it was for septic but yeah there's some staking on the front of the property there the property the property line is staked and the wetlands is staked okay that's about it okay but you got some perk tests you've done some perks in the front there y so I saw some white yeah because usually that that tells you there's a perk test there so you got three areas that perked uh two on that lot nice looks like there's three but maybe you took one off oh I see there's two that are way from where they would put the um drain okay P for the um yeah yeah it would probably be on the right side so you're looking at septic tank in the front this one probably didn't pass yeah yes yeah just like my house keeping out of the way okay okay um all right while while we've got that for now I'm going to open up anybody that's here that wants to have questions or there Butters no anybody online any questions with this we have two people that are muted they're muted but Peter and Ryan if you wanted to ask ask a question or speak unmute yourself I have no questions okay I'm all for it okay so and and your a neighbor or I'm assuming yes I'm actually right um I'm on conquered side on conquered Road okay I'm on first house so my land is actually up against David greos understood so just for can I get your name and address my name is Peter impis and I live at six conquered Road in South Lake okay okay thank you Peter thank you how about Ryan hello I'm uh actually here for the next agenda item okay fair enough thank you all right um did we guess your name uh S I bought a lot next door I just wanted to see how these meetings go here yeah we like your name and address s r at 671 year old did you get that Oney got it okay another question the board I mean we got one issue we're going to have to if you're not going to if you're going to refuse on the so I don't guess I have to questions Dan do they have to go in front of the conservation to go within the 100 foot buffer yeah yes they'll have to go back to them okay as he mentioned he's just trying to yeah I know what they're I mean it's the it's always the cat and mouse for us yes but um in this case they did they delineated they've shown which I question the nitally and they've addressed it because there's there's apparently two levels so they're not in the 50 Foot inner within the 50 Foot outer Which is less restrictive yeah um and if we give the variance then it's up to conservation if they got to move it but yeah that's up to them finally to put it if they have to so I that's no problem for me um so we got two variances with this the lot size yeah lot size is 12,400 and for the setback so do you want to put a motion Paul I'll put the motion up you guys motion to vote okay so I'm going to put a motion forward for 65 Tanner Road to allow a variance of 12,400 400 square F feet for the lot area variance and a setback of 25 ft to construct a single family home on this R20 lot that needs to go to front of conservation still do I hear a motion accepted second okay vote I vote Yes I right unanimous all set Dave all right thank you very much thank you very much have a good night gota wait 20 days though just in case somebody comes out of the woodwork to challenge you yeah we got we got um the Wetland work to do so yeah and we'll get uh we'll get this written up and get it to you so uh it'll be on the holding and then released to for you guys to get to the conservation and building department okay thank you very much thank you good night good night second all right thank you all this together motion because I didn't have that number that's okay that's why I did it that's fine keep all this here we'll go through it later Sil we'll get them the sign paper for okay all right thank you that later okay 7:30 have to wait till 7:30 but you guys been up had a seat yeah sure right just leave a little margin at the bottom so I can put your titles in all right yeah yes me just your face sh I might have to text you yeah yeah we can leave a little room on the bottom okay [Music] all three please yeah Miss up should do of H while we're here we'll do the notes just two yeah do the no slider on that's for this one yeah I so I got some of my notes in there we just go through later okay before we we just [Music] leave takes forever doesn't okay they bills I know going against your budget see our budget was shrunk here we are even made these yeah you know the drill P three different ones three different bills 're the same price as all yeah I know because it's the dates are different because we published those too plus the one coming for the next one [Music] right very nice got a big drum yes good when you actually that'll be [Music] helpful okay you good Paul yes roll this thing rolling here for the next one okay Wy left okay Southwick and the Southwick board of appeals notice is hereby given the public hearing to be held Monday January 13 2025 at 7:30 p.m. around 7:30 and Dot to hear the petition of Richard Paxton from property located at two Fenton Drive in Southwick the applicant is Seeking a front sent back variance of 17 feet in order to construct a garage on the property this will be a hybrid meeting held in person conference room tomb to at Town Hall and Via Zoom okay you are on Sir okay tell us what you're looking for my name is wow him in so he can show okay my my name is Richard Paxton this is my wife mosa Paxton yes uh we've lived in South Lake for 38 years uh this was our original serger home and we small house but we still live there mhm uh cuz we like sou a lot um I'm retired we're both retired um we like the house but it's a little bit uh small for parking spaces we have one under car garage in our basement basically and we have three vehicles so she gets to park in the winter time in the garage in the garage but as it should be as and I rent a garage in the winter time uh for my other car and then my pickup truck stays outside and uh it's working okay but I'm on my third pickup truck after rushing out the first two so I I I like my house and everything I just need a little bit more garage space and um it's a complicated property because got two intermittent streams coming right down so uh it's a small lot and it's kind of trapped between these streams so that's what we're I think I'm in this sounds like a similar situation to the previous problem I guess you don't have Wetlands so no not no that's that's usually a problem your problem is topography your shap I've been to your property uh and and you're very sloped you're very steep maybe we can put something that and if you if you uh you know to put it even in there you're going to be doing a lot of removal to kind of level it out to try to get something that's yes flat and secure and stuff but um my first question I had was and you are going to so that's the house you want to put a garage on on the front side this is my existing house here okay actually this is the driveway right you might want to look at it oh yeah that's fine no I got the orientation down there Hill here's propose is it a two-car garage garage so I just I have just enough room to right and then that turn you are connecting it with a walkway is that correct or is it GNA be freestanding this is uh the topography this is all D that's about right five or 6 ft high so there's a retaining wall oh that's a wall okay yeah and I would like to move that wall back by 6 feet so that I can put a walking door in the side right now I can only go in and out by opening my overhead garage door drive this crazy let the heat out each time and I'm always in and out so anyway the idea was to move that rotating back so I guess it would be a little walk away well my question I reason I'm bringing it up and I I guess who's the represent Ry Ryan from yes hey everyone how you doing today good so so my question comes to the garage is freestanding does that become an accessory building versus a attached garage to a house you know what I mean which creates some different zoning challenges or opportunities actually um so that's why I was kind of looking at how I was connecting it because it really is attached free standing so in my mind it's almost an accessory not a garage it's an accessory building which there is um on our chart changes the zoning requirements a little bit um would would the front setback be different for an accessory I'm looking at that right now because it's R40 um no it changes your side and rear requirements it lessens them uh the height stays the same your aggregate stays the same it's just your side and rear which you have that anyway so it actually is your benefit you need less uh side and and the rear line to for an accessory than you would if it was a garage building attach that's why I asked the question which it only benefits um it only benefits the position for Richard if he had to move something a little bit to make something fit better that's why I'm looking at your plan there's a way to make it a little bit easier to transition my way is right to get to my backyard right um yeah right if I could add to it um so the property does have hold on y um so the property does have two intermittent streams there's one right here so that stream there would impart a 50 foot restrict a okay okay this on theth okay so our thought was you know if we we did look into the alternative of adjoining the garage to the existing yeah two things one it would eliminate really the only access Rich has to his backyard for his Mower and his pool and maintenance the other side of the house the typography drops off and there's a wet it does severely and okay also if it was to attach the garage to the house on that side and it brought up a lot of structural and um building issues that would have to would pretty much pushed the project out of the you know scope of what Mr Paxton was looking to do was just a simple garage right so we thought if we were to put the garage adjoining to the house he would would then need additional pavement driveway in front of it you know for the driveway approach to the garage and now you know we're doubling or impervious here and we thought that would be a hurdle with kcom being so close to this stream whereas if he puts the garage where it's proposed it would be uh just you know Foundation footing um with real no fill it would just be in right into exist grade cross wall yeah right exactly utilize existing driveway um kind of which is probably what you've already designed based on what you you thought you had for boundaries I guess my point is if you leave it where it is you're probably no worse off yep and you know we try to move it around you might be impeding on other things that's I guess is the problem right so right we definitely can't go you know South westish because of the stream exactly yep and we didn't want to go you know more into the hill because then that creates the problem okay okay looks like a lot you know not a lot but I counted three or four houses in the immediate neighborhood that are have a front setback of 4050 feet so I I don't think we'd be uh you know the hard the the issue we we fight with okay is normally when we do these you don't want the additional to go in front of the house line you know you want it to go equal or behind it right can we don't want to do that um and this particular piece of property though that I mean you have you have severe challenges to do that um because if you go behind that where that garage is now there it's very hilly and you're getting close to that stream again on the other side I don't I don't know I don't think you're anywh you can put a garage on this property and I understand the hardship of the winters and all that trying to put stuff undercover having one one under um I'm just wondering if yeah if we even shrunk it to a smaller garage it's still going to be in front of it because literally the whole thing's in front of it in front of the house line I got an estimate from trying to put an existing addition you know into and it was about 146 I said you're moving a lot of Earth this we have for the structure will look very much like my house it it would look like the it would look like this which is which is I have a flower potting Shed from pH Farm it's right next to it and it would look just like my house in that cute little pting shed with fler boxes and nice Windows wouldn't look s go ahead Paul what is the distance I which one between those two buildings oh between this between the garage and the house [Music] yeah about not quite a car length so probably about 120t 18 oh oh I know what it is it's 16 ft I'm sorry it's exactly it's exactly 16 ft my idea was to move this back 6 ft so I can put a little door walking in right to the side tying that ground level yeah Mak sense that's why I asking like for accessibility for you you know it's not something I have to do if it's an attachment to the house that makes it attachment have to do it that way but it's just picture of the street here yeah I saw I mean the only flat where the car is my wife's car is parked over here yeah you can't really see if you go left it gets where my truck is it's that's where we park all the time the summertime it's hot so I'm parking like you know under the trees and towards the front of the right now basically have my wood pile there CU I have a wood stove side Paul the only the one that kind of comes to my mind that has a similar to this would be on the not Klein Road but um fia's house remember he had the garage went to the left cuz he could I know but it was proud of the house because there was no other where to put put it technically well it's the way it looks I'm saying whether right or wrong it's the way it is but I see why because literally that where your truck is to the right is pretty level yeah it's probably the level part of your property you know and it's going to be a lower I'm not going to make a big two story yeah you have Max low Prof so it's G to M too bad this picture you can't see the roof line of the little shed behind that tree but there's a a shed that has the same little slot so you probably like a 810 pitch versus a 1212 pitch because the cape usually has a pretty steep pitch to it so we're going to the right to the right to the right yeah see where the car is it would be front of that car to the in front of that tree to the right right behind fancy car goes in the undercard Garage in the summer and the truck goes usually to the right and my wife usually to the right but she it's so hot sometimes she moves it down here yeah that's a natural place that's a natural place to pull in the par kind of so if you looked at the light you say that's that makes sense where to put it look at all different places and quite quite a big variance because unfortunately it's an R40 Zone up there yeah which we insanely have to deal with but that lot literally you need 60,000 square feet and and you have you only have 26,000 that's on the lot so that that kind of goes beyond we have to deal with that and I I just think the R40 is ridiculous up there but we can allow that that's not the problem the other thing you got is you need 200 feet of Frontage you only have 150 ft right so we'd have to put a variance for the frontage line to allow that to get in there as well and then the minimal is a 17 foot which is basically your your subback um from the front line my property line is so far into my yard that well you talking about setback I mean your house is probably back 100 100t back from the road I lose almost 17 feet to the C right yeah okay um you saying you want to try to push this back 6 feet is that what you was talking about earlier yeah the other way uh towards the back of the house Yeahs the back of the house well yeah so you can have a door yeah would be move this way right now move back here so there be a door outside by existing I'm sorry I was back okay want to go this way there's driveway and you can pull right in here and you can make this you can just barely make this turn yeah and this turn but if you move out this you still can't do anything that I thought that it [Music] you're dealing with your I'm always in and out of there extreme Dimensions behind it you can't push the corners right now he's got it basically yeah protect it all the way around the back end of it so you're not into the any areas of buffer and as you start turning it then you could have size it you'd have to end up shrinking in or something to kind of fit it right okay and you want to try to I understand it's pretty standard two car you're not looking for an oversiz that's a pretty standard two car yeah um you can't turn it the other way right because you're yeah because that pushes it no you wouldn't be able to drive in well you have to make a different driver I guess if you had okay I don't if there's anybody on your neighbor I don't know I guess I don't know who the is Ryan on twice Ryan you got two things going uh I'm still here I'm just sharing I mean I've got an iPhone sign in is you as well looks like uh no not me no there's a iPhone guest okay is is the iPhone guest on there have any comments for this project I am online can you hear me okay yes my name is Richard Quinn I live right next door to Marsha and Rich and what address what's the address four Fenton drive four okay thank you and um I've been on and see you just went on mute y yeah that sorry I went back to look at the I went back to look at the drawing no problem bottom line it's all copesthetic to me it looks you know looks fine for me right I thought it might be closer to the street it's not I see where he's going with it two thumbs up um I guess it's up to you guys to arm wrestle it out no I I appreciate we always like to see or listen you know the respect for for Butters especially that you know I you know part of our job is to say is it is it hurting the the vi the pictures of the street or changing anything drastically and that is set back far enough where where the house is already beyond what the normal zoning is so um okay well thank you for your input I'd have no trouble at all good luck thank you fair enough thank you all right um 5 right yeah it's what 17 17 yeah I have spoken to my other two neighbors and they're good like this one we've been talking about this for so many years I getting around to it so yeah um again I think the constraints of our 40 are a little tough anyway so between the front you got plenty of Frontage normally to have 200 it seems there's a lot big enough up there to have that's the problem we face you know it's like going to the Lakes you get down there and there's not a lot that fits the zoning it great when we first wow this is so big yeah I hear you I mean so in my mind the only thing you really need is the setback and it's only at 17 ft which is pretty pretty good that's what we talked about before the other case is trying to minimize as much as we can of that relief yes and it keeps the house back or structure back further right towards us7 the goal um but that's why you're here because you can't do that you don't you don't have it available we really should put the garage in a long time ago not with the shed in maybe we could have gone further back you know but um the shed okay because there's the potting shed that's so the driveway that's existing is where the you basically to have the garage will go right through that existing driveway you don't need to change it or add right it'll be using the existing which is helpful it means it's snug yeah I understand tight okay okay any other questions from the board no okay well I'm going to table a motion then because I got the numbers prob me you got the numbers all right so I'm going to put a motion to the board for a two fanton drive in an R40 Zone uh for a lot variance of 34,000 square fet a lot Frontage variance of 50 feet and a front setback of 17 ft to allow a construction of a two-car garage on the property what did you say about 50 ft 50 foot Frontage oh Frontage Frontage yeah my okay okay do I have a second second okay all in favor I I all set thank you thank you so now again as the speech goes you got to wait 20 days before we do anything yes but then you can move forward for building we'll have this written up and you'll get a copy of that to you and you'll be able to bring that to the building department okay you don't want to start digging now anyway yeah it's a little chilly a little hard a longterm project okay great well GL we can try to help folks so enjoy and you got another nice neighbor by the way that meant to mention Ian Creswell who was all for your project he lives up yeah oh good so good yes I was asking to maybe email me so I could have it but it's okay yeah I know most of my and Chris have perfect okay well have a good evening thank Youk very much thank you okay all right last order of business we've got Paul is thean the notes from last meeting July yeah yeah I have October no it's October be careful okay take care now guys thank you um yeah we've got the October 28 notes you have those yep if we read through them and we just got to get those voted in for any changes okay we'll take a moment to do that and Jour you want to review the next one uh no it's copies look we got signs some paper for this one too you can take these right say they can take we can take these to you right yes okay good I'll just make mention [Music] before I'm at a disadvantage because I was not AB I was not at this meeting but um they look descriptive to me but did you learn more about the small house I have no but I know people who are just waiting for it I have I have the outline here of it what do you well accessory dwelling units they call it yes adus yeah yeah so that's like the tiny houses Paul you're talking about no yeah you can have a 900 S throw it right on your property like a trailer yep yeah but it's what about hooking it's not attached to the house right but what's what about your utilities that's my question bingo I mean you got to have well or you got to have water source you got to have a septic Source power source yeah yeah yeah I don't know it's always how do you make it how do you make it inhabitable without you got to have some kind of package or way to do that so you're going to need building permits you're going to need you know what I mean you can't just go digging without if you had a camper you roll it up and you run extension cord that's one thing but this is a little different in my mind but do you get the power from the house or from the street and where yeah metered I mean yeah so yeah there was a lot of answer unanswered question it's nice to say oh yeah you can have 9 Square oh yeah go for a minute well you know what they're doing right you know what this is for this a help with families that can either you know housing what because it's small and it's affordable yeah that's what it was described as for multi-generational living okay fore there oh it's Massachusetts after all so anyway okay well there's still I got a lot of questions that yeah okay I don't know Diane was like all hammering down we're going to talk about well who's passing it when is it going to be at the meeting or is it going to be at 9 o' on a you know on a board meeting night it gets through you know what I'm saying so I think that's got to be a town vote be honest with you to me that's got to be an article for the town because that's a big change in his Z question so all right that's all I know on that okay we have a motion for the acceptance of notes from October 28th a motion okay we have a second second all in favor I right all right ready to sign this one we need to sign it as far as I can no no change you did no you didn't all right you know what yeah uh go ahead and write your name and I will okay okay next sign above it that still want C sign if you have to sure that's fine yeah okay 13 for you that one okay so blank sheets coming down yeah we will okay we got a for the uh oh right here my bad sign all three of them this time I thought I did no it was mut see keep you honest that's right look at a stamp that's an idea hey you know okay last uh article of business we have a a new variance request coming up uh in the next meeting 54 Berkshire have like um what he wants to do put up a uh a deck on a existing house okay with some constraints so I would say let's take this read through it maybe we can drive by we'll have some per any questions for the next meeting I got a dumb question sure which end of birkshire is that's a good question I think it's my brother's side so number so if you go down by Saunders that's one so it's closer to that side than it is to okay well that's how I know is he's one so it's 54 so it's not too far in any other business okay Jour second second all in favor all I I I