tuesday April 8th 2025 in council chambers Sparta Township Municipal Building 65 Main Street Sparta New Jersey the time is 7:07 uh the regular meeting is now open all council meetings are now live stream and can be viewed at
the following link www.youtube.comwpstreams adequate notice of this meeting was provided to the public and the press on January 10th 2025 by delivering to the press and posting on the township website a copy of the notice madame
clerk may we have a roll call councilman Scott here deputy Mayor Murphy here mayor Clark here let's all stand and salute the flag i pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right uh welcome everyone uh first I want to thank uh my deputy mayor uh Margie Murphy for stepping in for me at
the last meeting unfortunately I did have a family emergency that I needed to attend to all is okay now but I very appreciate uh stepping in and also my uh support from my colleagues and the residents uh at this time i really appreciate it so thank you um before we
begin I think uh I do want to get something out uh quickly um that many of you may be here to ask questions about the recent federal lawsuit that has been filed uh against the township some of the council members the planning board
etc please know that this is an active litigation matter uh and so we will not be entertaining questions about the lawsuit um again that this case will be decided in a courtroom by the attorneys
presenting arguments we are appointing attorneys um you will see from their backgrounds the taxpayers of Sparta will be very well represented as well as the people um who have been sued and it will be decided in a
courtroom it will not be decided by statements that we make here it will not be decided by stunts that some of the attorneys may try to pull uh in this forum so and at some point we will speak through our attorneys through filings in
the court and I hope to make available when it comes time some of those filings so the public can do it but please know that while we want to be transparent we we are limited in this way with active litigation so there's a balance here and
when it comes to active litigation we speak through our attorneys and we speak in the court so just that out of the way um next we have a proclamation and this is again one of those types of proclamations that I wish we didn't have
to have um but I'm glad we have Jenny's house um this is child abuse prevention month and uh I can think of no other issue that pulls at the folks heartstring like child abuse and our
county is extremely indebted to Jenny's house and uh so I'm thankful that I get to acknowledge them and I will read this proclamation child abuse prevention month whereas child abuse and neglect is a complex and
ongoing problem in our society affecting many children in Sussex County and whereas every child is entitled to be loved cared for nurtured feel secure and be free from verbal sexual emotional and physical abuse and neglect and whereas
child abuse and neglect not only directly harm children but also increase the likelihood of criminal behavior substance abuse health problems and risky behavior and whereas the effects of child abuse are felt by communities as a whole and need to be addressed by
the entire community and whereas effective child abuse prevention programs succeed because of partnerships among families social service agencies schools religious and civic organizations law enforcement agencies and the business community
now therefore be it resolved that the township council of the township of Sparta does hereby proclaim April as child abuse prevention month and calls upon all citizens community agencies faith groups medical facilities and businesses to increase their participation in our efforts to support
families thereby preventing child abuse and strengthening the communities in which we live and I'm thankful that we have Andrea Riker here who I uh know very well from uh Jenny's House and um as people know my wife Alexandra was on
the board of Jenny's House for I think over seven years um and speaks very fondly of that time there and that that organization um and I know there's ways that the public can show their support for this with pin wheels and I think you'll speak to that when you come up
and grab this proclamation just take pictures yeah good to see you can I take pictures sure go ahead and say thank you guys for support your partnership um I love that
you have our little pin wheel thing out there and it seems like nothing really oh does that do anything it does every little for awareness every little everything you do to partner with us can help us make these little victims children again so I thank you for your
cooperation your support whether you're a sponsor or not of our event thank you very much thank you very much thank you [Applause] okay next we need to approve some minutes um may I have a motion to
approve the February 11th 2025 regular meeting minutes as presented make a motion to approve second all in favor say I i i the February 11th 2025 regular meeting minutes as presented have been approved uh may I have a motion to
approve the February 25th 2025 regular meeting minutes as presented make a motion to approve the February 25th 2025 minutes a second all those in favor say I i i the February 25th 2025
regular meeting minutes as presented have been approved next up is the manager's report uh Mr zap thank you thank you good evening Mayor Council Sparta residents both present and on our YouTube stream i'd like to
start by expressing our gratitude and appreciation to the Sparta Fire Department and public works staff both departments collaborated to repair the flag pole at Angererman Field just in time for the national anthem to be recognized and the flag honored on opening day it was a lastminute issue
and they worked together to complete this task on behalf of the planning board the Sparta master plan subcommittee will be pre uh presenting the results of the community survey at next Wednesday's planning board meeting April 16th at 7 p.m anyone interested is invited to
attend we received over a thousand responses to the survey marking the initial outreach to the community the subcommittee will follow up with multiple focus group sessions in the coming months thank you to everyone who participated in the process our planning
and zoning department reminds Sparta business owners that all portable advertisement signs must be renewed annually before the deadline of June 15th each year more information can be found under the Sparta Township general code sections 4-17.1 through
4-17 or by calling the planning and zoning office at 9737298093 our code enforcement department has provided its first quarterly report to be shared with the council and the public from January 1st to March 31st there were a total of 59
complaints with 28 resolved or completed and 31 active actively under investigation regarding complaints from 2024 there were 29 leftover complaints with six resolved or completed and 23 still active with follow-up
investigations as a follow-up to my last report I extend a big thanks to Mitch Morrison who heads up our Bagot Day event which occurred this past weekend as part of the initiative to keep Sparta beautiful despite the cold and wet weather conditions 12 groups worked in
various areas around town including some of our council members environmental commission members Junior Women's Club of Sparta and many others to keep the public aware of how much trash our roadsides endure the following was collected 63 bags of garbage a bed frame
railroad ties hoses and many other large items other groups are scheduled to clean up additional areas in the coming weekends thank you all for keeping Sparta beautiful the recreation and parks department is pleased to announce the spring and summer brochure for programs
events and workshops and activities for all ages in our community registration opens on April 16th for Sparta residents and April 23rd for non-residents please check out the brochure online or inquire at the recreation office in the senior citizen division
registration will start on April 16th for Sparta residents aged 60 years and older who would like to become members of the senior pool at Null Heights they can also register for the water exercise program which has limited space and will be on a first come first- serve basis
there is also a new pickle ball workshop for six weeks during the summer as well as many trips that's exciting to be a senior in Sparta like that part our park there Jim our park staff
continues to prepare all the ball fields for baseball and softball as weather permits lining the fields for lacrosse and soccer and have completed the move of the cricket pitch from field one to White Lake they continue to clean up all the township properties throughout the spring season the parks department has a
seasonal maintenance labor position open any interested applicants are encouraged to visit our website under under employment opportunities thank you to the public works staff who have replaced the seasonal winter banners with the hometown hero banners we are proud and
thankful to all our servicemen and women lastly I would like to recognize Mike Dempsey and his sons mike is our IT director for building the sturdy new presentation tables in front of the deas i don't know if anyone's noticed here but the the old ones we have are almost
20 years old and they almost were falling down on themselves these are much better so I I wanted to give a thanks to to Mike and his sons for this absolutely um they've also um have been working on upgrading uh our our conference room with new technology we
continue to find efficient ways to upgrade many items that need to be addressed in a cost-effective manner this concludes my report thank you thank you thank you Manager Jeff may I have a motion to accept the manager's report make a motion to accept
the manager's report may I have All in favor say I i uh the manager's report of April 8th is approved uh next we are up to our very first um public comment se uh period this is for items that are not
on the agenda so if you look at the agenda and see something you want to talk about now is not the time and there will come a time for that um so again please uh be mindful of our five minute limit i don't know if it's on is it on yes yes
okay jim Castmore Bill Street Sparta mayor you had a thing on a post today about Facebook and you said that uh you had to pull back the cannabis ordinance because um you hadn't sent out the u certified letters
and got them back when were they sent out they haven't been sent out yet they haven't been sent out yet no sir okay well I guess that was a misstatement huh um you're saying there's Where are
these zones if you don't have an ordinance how do you have a zone you're sending out certified mail to residents within a 200 foot area of that point right there where are these zones
did you If you look at the ordinance it identifies the zone so apparently you haven't read the ordinance i read the ordinance i just can't figure out where it is you can't understand where the where the zone No I can't where's the zone okay uh Attorney Dash will you please explain to
Mr castmore how you do notice for uh land use ordinances i'll be happy to thank you mr kashimmore the ordinance if you review it provides for two zones that are subject to potential locations for retail 5 cannabis one of those zones
is the TCC the other zone is the C1 zone and they're located where within the borders of the township within generally the center of the town TCC and the C1 goes up you're talking you're talking town center so that would
include the plaza and up see theater center and so forth no that's that's town center so if you want to if you want to know where the zones are respectfully there's a map a zoning map okay but the but none of this was sent out yet so is am I
correct that's correct so you you you couldn't have this tonight posted because you didn't send out it hasn't been sent out at all sir it hasn't been sent out yet because there are 627 homes that have to be notified by certified return receipt as well as
regular mail it's massive to prepare i understand that the mayor said it was already sent out that's my question it wasn't sent out or it was not sent out that's what my question is it was not sent out that's all I wanted to know because the mayor said it was we hadn't gotten them back yet is what the
statement was okay thank you anyone else for public comment okay we will move to expenditures that Oh that's okay this is my first time here
sure uh my name is Kiana Grant thank you i feel like I'm with like celebrities my name is Kiana Grant i've been in Sparta for about 20 years um this is my first town hall meeting so thank you everyone um I'm 29 years old um and I am
a dialysis patient i've had kidney disease since I was about 16 years old um I am on a transplant list uh but it does take time um my point is that um I'm not I'm not really sure what the gentleman here was speaking about but I
I've noticed some smoke shops opening around the town in Sparta um and the one in the center by the Burger King I believe um I went in the other day and they were saying that there was some protest about it and people wanted it to
close was that is that accurate or I can't speak to what they thought i don't Yeah I know they cuz they were having people sign a sheet to keep it open and I just wanted to I I guess people were going in and saying that how it was making Sparta not
look great and I I just wanted to make a comment that me I I know I'm not the only person in this beautiful town that goes through what I go through every day and cannabis can be a positive thing as well as a negative thing as well and the
pain that I go through with my kidney disease cannabis does help me get through that me being at such a young age and not being able to do things people my age can normally do so I just wanted to you know remind everyone here um if you guys were you know a part of that plan to take down these smoke shop
that they can have a positive effect on people as well especially people with health issues who are you know use cannabis medically and not just for like pardon my language shits and giggles do you know what I'm saying so I just wanted to come up here and you know just remind everyone that not everyone's
the same not everyone looks at cannabis in like a negative way um and it's not to ruin Sparta i promise you it can be it can honestly make Sparta better it can maybe help the youth maybe you know want to come to Sparta more cuz I knew when I was growing up here I did not
want to live here i was so bored here all the time um and then I got sick you know and that really changes things for me so to be able you know I can't really take normal medication so be able to have something that's in my town that's 5 minutes from my house that can just
help get me through the day to remember that I have better things coming i you know I just want to remind everyone that it can be a positive thing as well as a negative one so thank thank you that's awesome thank you for the first time you did fantastic so come back and see us
again i will thank you so much thank you for your comment and I'm sorry about your illness it's okay it's okay rick Finkle Award Road Sparta neil I don't want to ask questions about the um pending litigation but I want to ask about the policies of Sparta Township is
there a policy that Sparta taxpayers fund the litigation for personal lawsuits against individuals and not town member town council members
let me say that yeah I'm trying to understand your question say that again Rick and speaking I thought the comment was they're going to potentially sue the board members and people that aren't on the board member or weren't on the board at the time of the
allegations and it looked like through the agenda that the funding you you guys are looking to approve legal expenses to cover the legal expenses of all the people named yeah so the the the source
of that funding uh is is actually part of the litigation and you know so commenting on that would reveal you know attorney impressions etc i'm asking is there a policy in Sparta is there president in Sparta where Sparter
taxpayers have funded the litigation like a separate fund i'm not aware of a not necessarily a separate fund but on Mayor I I think we're we're going to be introducing the budget uh next meeting in the budget there's naturally monies
allocated in the account lines of each department and in the council department we have professional services legal defense legal uh legal correspondence it's all dealt through that line and there's a certain amount of money that's always allocated in that line for that
purpose this would fall under under that purpose so just by practice and and I wouldn't call it policy this is this is the township putting its budget together in order to run itself totally understand that there's funding for
legal fees right for the town my question is more specifically for people that weren't on the board at the time the allegation oh I think that that that actually calls into a legal question you know so I
think that whether they would be funded or not that's a legal issue that I can't really I mean we're not at liberty to explain that that legal legal issue or is that policy yeah well either policy that policy is part of a legal decision right so that would go into the legal
analysis of whether someone who was named in a lawsuit but wasn't there at the time whether they would be liable or not that's that's a legal question I can't really give you an answer to um you know at the time I know that's not satisfactory um but like I said we have to be very careful with you know what we
say policies are public and we could talk about policies well yeah but the policies when it's intertwined with the legal analysis you you know you'd be commenting on a policy based on your interpretation meanwhile it'd be like asking me what Neil what's your interpretation of this statute that's at
issue in the litigation if I gave you my interpretation of the statute whatever I would be saying uh would be what we'd call an admission that could later be used in the litigation so that's why the policy if there is one goes into the analysis i don't I don't mean to try to seem like I'm trying to stonewall you
i'm just trying to be extra careful okay we'll come back all right thank you and I do see uh the representative from Yippi Arts which I think this is actually a good time if y'all want to come forward this is a public comment period for items that are not on the
agenda um and so if y'all want to come forward uh now you can do so um but I hope I was going to get to this in my uh new business but I had the pleasure of the grand opening uh for Yippy Arts which is located in White Deer Plaza um
and what an impressive art studio um what an impressive they do um you know a lot of reclamation art which is probably not I'm calling it wrong but like taking items that are discarded turning into artwork they have an amazing apparel um but we're very very happy to have you in
Sparta so feel free to you know you have five minutes and say whatever you want thank you so much um my name is Annie uh this is Yepy we're from Yepy Art um can you speak can they reach the We do um custom uh tufted rugs we do custom
apparel um our lo our motto for Gippy Art is you think it we create it so whatever you have in mind that's what we are open to make um also we do have um like an art gallery so of all of
mixed media art paintings anything you want um we also want to provide we also want to provide um like teaching services as well to teach people how to make their own u custom tufted rugs um therapeutic art as
well as um just you know be more expressive in terms of if they wanted to uh be more have more creative freedom they might not have the supplies at home uh and we want to provide those services to them
and we also made something for the town um one of our creations we toughed a rug for the town and we want to present it to you guys oh yeah that's lovely yeah wait oh wow i don't know if you want to
wow [Applause] that's beautiful so these are like one of the classes that we want to introduce um once we're we're actually going through a um process where art our art
art is only retail only um but we are trying to get through the process to be able to teach and this is one of the things we want to teach that's awesome wow here how about I'll go in the middle you
go on one side you can hold this all right put it down a little go backwards everybody wants me to come on my face i know like twist it there
beautiful that is that is amazing come back you're there absolutely this is beautiful thank you so much it's more art we also want to paint classes and do art 101 classes
yeah we can get that in thank you wow so yeah thank you for that i I can't wait to uh proudly display that uh in the municipal building and I hope that you know we will be able to encourage um
we have a lot of artists in Sparta um that uh even today I was in line at the DMV and if you're in the DMV you're going to wait a while right so you just start a conversation and I spoke to a gentleman um who's a motorcycle
enthusiast goes to the Sturgis um big motorcycle thing up in South Dakota um but he does this amazing art all uh with respect to like motorcycles and it's incredible um but he lives in Sparta and um I was like listen you should display
your art in Sparta i who knew that we had such a talented artist just and he's just a retired person from uh T-Mobile who took up artwork and does an amazing job so I'm hoping like businesses like yours will encourage people to do that because I think a lot of people have an
unknown talent for it they just need a forum to express it and so I'm really looking forward to seeing what our local artists can can do so thank you and and welcome to our community you're a real asset thank you welcome right any other members of the public
wishing to be heard okay we are now up to the expenditures deputy Mayor Murphy would you please read the expenditures for April 8th 2025 yes the expenditures totaling
$649,378.15 to be approved all right may I have a motion to approve the expenditures for April 8th 2025 i make a motion to accept the expenses for 2006 2000 April 8th 2025 all right may I
have a second please i'll second it all those in favor say I i all right the uh expenditures for April 8th 2025 have been approved uh we are not introducing any ordinances tonight however we do have a hearing uh of an ordinance uh
madame clerk could you please read the title of ordinance 2510 an ordinance of the township of Sparta amending portions of chapter 8 of the township code entitled filming okay okay we now have an open public comment period uh where if you wish to
be heard about ordinance 2510 which are amendments to the uh film ordinance uh please step forward and uh present your comments and please stay mindful of the 5-minute limit okay seeing no comments I'll take it back to council for discussion um as
I had mentioned at the introduction uh these are some amendments to the ordinance as requested by the New Jersey Film and Television uh Commission uh they are trying to have consistency throughout the 562 municipalities so
that an entertainment uh producer a television producer has some kind of degree of certainty and consistency with the time frames and so um I know that some of my council members had expressed concern about the the time frames uh I
went back to the film commission and uh they said that those were required time frames because again they don't want to have 562 different time frames throughout uh other townships have been able to meet these deadlines and so uh I
think Sparta can be just like those other townships so that was the purpose of the amendment so unless uh anyone else has any comments or questions yeah I was just wondering if how many municipalities do you know do we know
how many have approved this um so far I think there's there well the designation process is still ongoing i think you know there's probably about 15 that have been already designated i can't tell you how many have applied i don't I don't have a window in that but a lot of them
because they've done a huge amount of promotion um I do know that uh from our chamber uh president that other townships within Sussex County are trying to get uh film ready as well i don't know which ones those are um so do
you think let me ask our police representative do you think that two and three day three days is is enough for for residents three to five day three is three days of the receipt of the application i mean
that it's it is a quick window i mean if that's what the the that's what the statute is for all the municipalities i mean that's what the regulation is yeah and a lot of times we will even before they actually put in their application we'll know the application that's coming in because again a lot of this is
filtered through the state so what happens is they go to the state first if you're a film producer TV producer you don't go right to the municipality you go to the the state film commission and they say "Hey we're thinking of filming somewhere that has lakes and has mountains who do you recommend?" Well
the film commission will say "Uh let me let me go talk to Sparta first." And they'll call us and they'll say "Hey what do you think about this movie being filmed in Sparta?" "Oh we would like it." Okay you know when are they going to get their application in and so we would be as soon as I hear from that even before the application we would be
able to let people know that one is coming um the idea that you'll be kind of blindsided by an application just isn't accurate that's just not the way they do things okay and um a lot of times before they shoot they know down to the minute how how what they need
because there's you know a call sheet um and time is money in this industry um particularly depending on the talent you don't want the talent to show up only to be told you're not filming for three days because now you got to pay you know um Harrison Ford for three days to be holed up in a hotel which is going to
cost you a lot of money so in any event it will be it will we will have a heads up um before the application comes in and so you will be notified that's and then they and then you the our police force would be responsible depending on the shoot depending if they would like
to an officer to come out we have on our website where they could do that so we would also know that as well perfect and then they would pay you yeah that's built into the ordinance so whatever your rate is that's what they
pay y good good okay that's what I just wanted to clarify thank you very much any other council member with questions okay all right may I have a motion to adopt ordinance 2510
i have a mo make a motion to adopt ordinance 25-10 may I have a second please yes I will second it uh Madame Clerk may we have a roll call councilman Scott yes deputy Mayor Murphy
yes mayor Clark yes ordinance 2510 has been adopted uh we're now up to our second uh public comment period this is limited to the resolution so take a look at the agenda look over the resolutions if you would like to comment on any of
those uh please step forward and please be mindful of our fivem minute limit if you want to comment on the 98 you feel free to do so um in reading that complaint from the um plaintiff it names Mr
werner as a witness and I know you can't comment but how do you hire a witness to be an attorney a little confused you know and the other thing too is is that how much money are you
budgeting for this lawsuit is your insurance for this lawsuit is it GIF fund what you're leaving everybody in the dark and saying "Well we're going to vote on this and we're going to prove it ourselves
but we're going to spend your money but you can't comment and we can't comment." And to me this is highly unethical that three people you're going to vote to spend our money on you when you were named
individually and the actions that you all took prior to being on a town board is really the result of these lawsuits i mean we had one person that said 2,300 trucks a day coming through
Sparta going to that warehouse 545 cars that was a post on March the 6 2024 and all of you have made posts billboards everything you name it boy it's been it all you know we we we have a contractor
to the township that's the town attorney and we say "We're going to pay for your lawsuit too." Wait a minute town attorney should have his own insurance policy not my policy or the town's policy you're
putting a tremendous burden on the taxpayers you're going about it wrong you caused a lawsuit you all jumped up and down with your fear-mongering the firemen can't put the fire out and all sorts of nonsense was
posted 2,300 trucks a day and traffic jams on Route 15 oh the water quality you forgot the part that there's a a sewer plant over there behind a Shopright store that does direct injection every day back into the
aquifer of treated effluent i think it's just a tad over a million gallons a day is what the license is for that's okay nobody's ever talked about that one nobody's ever talked about an unlined landfill that all the past town council
this town council included till now left that landfill sit over there since 1984 did nothing mike Dine isn't here tonight he's a former mayor he was the one that jumped up and he's always going off about water quality wait a minute Mike
you didn't do anything for all the years you were mayor you didn't do nothing you want to talk about it now you know I think what you're doing is highly unethical to vote for yourselves to
spend everybody's money saying we're going to stop this warehouse if you had all not said a word you'd had a better shot at it i don't see Josh Herzenberg named in that
lawsuit i don't see Dave Smith named i don't see Christine Quinn named you know why they never opened their mouths they kept their mouth shut everybody damned them but you know what didn't cost this town all this money you've gone down in four years
capital reserve fund was just shy at $12 million mr zep what's the in the capital reserve fund as of today 5 million about 5 million that's there today right now so 6 million it's gone by the wayside by the time you're
done you're going to kiss goodbye to that because you can't tell us any of us whether you have an insurance policy that's going to cover the full amount for everybody or not you can't tell us so it's like oh we're going to do this and we're not going to tell you
highly unethical thank you thank you thank you for your comment right anyone else with public comment on the resolutions all right so we're going to take these
one by one um if that's okay uh because I know some council members may have some questions on them so may I have a motion to approve resolution 91 yes I will make a res uh motion to approve 91 uh may I have a second please
second all right and before we vote um Mr ze correct me if I'm wrong this is part of a grant that we received um to help fund the the police so they can do a basically a distracted driving count uh crackdown correct um this is actually
mandated by the grants that we do a supporting resolution like this and the police department have actually done this several years and that they do this frequently get this type of grant and it requires the council support uh for them to you know be eligible for to receive
the monies uh it's ongoing right now it's for the month of April they they've been in the process on this and this is strictly just formalizing our support for the program benefits uh the department and and the residents and the township as a whole thank you and I just
you know that we do have our police here i've had these discussions with uh Chief McCarrick our police force does an amazing job with getting grant money um you know and I think that you know you have to think of it as the projects that
get funded by the grants are things that we would normally have to outlay ourselves anyway am I right uh detective that um Officer Snider that like our Kevlar vest right we get funded obviously our police need Kevlar vests that's an expense we would otherwise
have to take out of the budget but because of the grant ability of our police force we can get grant money for that and they do a fabulous job and I think this distracted driving is no different right okay thank you so thanks again um so with that explanation uh all
those in favor of resol uh approving resolution 91 say I i i resolution 91 has passed may I have a motion to approve resolution 92 i make a motion you have a question approve resolution
may I have a second please uh and then we can go to comments oh yes i second it okay i'll take it back to council for comments before we go to vote any member of the council have any questions about resolution 92
we're we're hiring train because train yes train was the original vendor who installed the HVA system in this building uh this building as you can tell it's a a very large building it's got a large amount of uh HVAC components
uh motors valves fans the whole thing is computer controlled if you notice you can't open a window in this building because it's it's all a closed operating unit so it's imperative that the the HVA system is operating properly um as it's
aging right now we require maintenance all right and train because they are very proprietary in their computer software to run their system we're kind of required to use train uh uh software and train maintenance contract allowing
us when we use the maintenance contract we actually get a cost reduction because we are committed to using them uh so it doesn't cost us as much as if we were to just pick up the phone and call them when we have a problem um I am very you know pleased with our in-house uh uh
support and all but when it comes to some real tough problems around here when it gets real hot especially when it's hot um it's nice to have them on call and this uh uh resolution allowing us to contract with them allows us to do
that i hope that answers most of your questions is there any other building or just this building that Just this building okay thank you okay uh anyone else have questions about resolution 92 right seeing none uh all those in
favor of resolution 92 say I i i resolution 92 has passed uh may I have a motion to approve resolution 93 which is a resolution for sustainable land use pledge yes i make a motion to approve resolution 9-3 may I have a second
please second all right um Deputy Mayor Murphy my understanding this resolution originated with the environmental commission is that right it did it did and it's uh formed by uh a lot of the residents and with the entire
uh environmental commission to help sustainable Jersey part of the green team to focus on our our bronze certification uh that we are all in favor and working
hard to keep our our land and recreation and waterways clean and clear and doing what we can and we pledge to continue doing that thank you and is this resol like binding in
any way mandating that we do some specific act or No okay no it is strictly a pledge okay and we have been bronze certified every year and we are hoping to continue that and get to silver with all of our between the
baggot days and all the cleanups and and things like that it's all part of it okay thank you for that explanation uh anyone else with questions on 93 all right seeing none uh all those in favor of resolution 93 say I i i
resolution 93 has passed uh may I have a resolution to approve 94 which is a resolution of the Township of Sparta County of Sussex State of New Jersey supporting a future New Jersey Department of Transportation for rehabilitation of the Blue Heron Road Bridge over Route 15 so I just need a
motion to approve 94 i make a motion to approve 9-4 and uh may I have a second second and uh Manager Zep could you just tell us about uh what's going on with the bridge and Blue Haron yes recently we received a a memo from the Department
of Transportation that they have intentions of uh rehabilitating the Blue Ridge uh the Blue Heron Bridge um they're doing work up there right now you all see it it's actually coinciding with the Rockfall mitigation which is uh also you see on Route 15 they're they're
actually taking down a lot of those rocks and whatnot that's another DOT project that we actually did a resolution in support for so this is uh similar for the bridge uh up at the Blue Heron they're doing storm water drainage work there now that's what you see there
now but the bridge work they're forecasting for next year um the reason they're asking for support from the township is that when they get support from the local entities where these projects are uh it better situates them for federal funding um because the
project is verified that much better uh I did reach out to the DOT personnel and I asked them about this project and I asked them if it'd be very similar to the Espanong Bridge if you remember down 15 in Jefferson when that bridge got redone they had closed the bridge sometimes other times they had one lane
open and whatnot uh they assured me that with this bridge there would always be lane of travel uh both ways uh during its work which uh I think will be very beneficial especially to the folks in the uh Latty Clark and Ryan building up there uh and people who use it so um
that's what this is about uh the town shows its support for the project and um they get federal funding and they're able to proceed with it and of course we will keep the public informed uh of any progress that we hear um be posted on the website and sometimes if it's
imminent we put it on the rave alert system great you think this is a 25 or 26 project uh they said is if you read the whole thing it's it's going to go in it'll be at the end of 25 into 26 thank you thank you yeah and thank you i know
that some council members had concern about you know whether that there would be some disruption in the flow of traffic and I really appreciate you reaching out to them to to clarify that that there would not be so thank you um unless anyone else has any further questions all those in favor of resol uh
resolution 94 say I i i resolution 94 has been approved may I have a motion to approve resolution 95 which is a resolution of the township of Sparta authorizing the North Jersey Wastewater Cooperative Pricing System contract for
public water system scattera SCADA upgrades may I have a motion to approve resolution 95 i'll make a resolution to approve it a motion you mean motion uh may I have a second please second um manager Jeff
would you just mind telling us what this one's about what's SCADA about right yeah so uh well the the cooperative pricing system is just another co-op that we're able to participate in and get the best uh uh pricing on on u products and parts that are related to
the water system the SCADA is actually related to what we call a telemetry system which allows the utility superintendent to monitor the tank water levels uh this one is the sunset tank um where you know uh how much water is in the tank as as the levels go up and down
it also tells them when the port the pumps are running and when they're not running so you have a lot of communication on what's going on on this particular location um these used to be run uh through the telephone lines uh now we're upgrading and using cellular
for the communication to the to the system it all requires uh commu uh computer uh uh equipment and technology which is the SCADA part and so this allows us to purchase it off of the co-op right thank you anyone else with
any other questions where is the sunset water pump it's up off of Glen Road all those in favor of resolution 95 say I i i resolution 95 has passed may I have a motion to approve resolution 96
which is a resolution awarding a contract to farmside landscape and design for tree and turf grass management program in accordance with the local public contracts law NJSA 4A1-1 uh required disclosure so may I have a
motion to approve resolution 96 i'll make a motion to approve resolution 9-6 may I have a second please second um manager Zep could you tell us what 96 is about yeah popular night sure this is
for the parks uh maintenance uh section uh basically is we don't have the equipment or the amount of licensed operators to fertilize all the fields listed in this resolution that that you see down here and so what happens is because we have a qualified purchasing
agent we're able to go out for quotes and we'll we'll go to different agencies and um Farmside Landscape um had the best price for the fertilizing that we are asking for and they also have the licensed um operators to apply the
fertilizer and um we've used them for several years and again this is just a way to formalizing the contract uh and using their services um with uh the we're using actually the qualified purchasing agent and we're taking quotes
on this one this doesn't come off of a co-op so it's just another form of purchasing but it's it's you know processing it and formalizing it in in the resolution great thank you for that explanation does anyone else have
questions with respect to 96 right seeing none all those in favor of resolution 96 say I i i resolution 96 has passed may I have a motion to approve resolution 97 which is a resolution for change orders for the
proposed improvements to various streets 2024 part one and part two so just a motion to approve resolution 97 i make a motion to approve resolution 97 for 2024
and may I have a second please second um okay and my only question is you know what necessitated the change orders um the vendor wanted to get paid oh really so what happened was they they approached us and what they have to do
is they have to give us the change orders and then we formalize it in this resolution uh you may recall uh when the engineer was here that whenever we open up a large project like that with these type of numbers we we formally open it up and we we tell the public you know
what roads we're going to pave how much it's going to cost and then we issue the purchase order and then we close it out when the project's done so now we're closing out these two these two phases from last year uh part one was uh the paving of Fairmont Washington Dandelion Hilltop Columbus Cherry Tree and West
Cherry Tree and then part two is Angelo Haywards South Haywards and Ridge all this work's been done this was last year's paving program we're just uh uh formalizing the change orders to to uh do the proper accounting and we'll close this out and pay off the vendor and move
on to uh the 2025 season got you so these are roads that have already been paved correct gotcha okay thank you any other questions with respect uh to resolution 97 okay seeing none all those in favor
of resolution 97 say I i i i resolution 97 has passed uh next may I have a resolution to motion to approve resolution 98 professional services resolution township joint special litigation council i make a motion to
accept to pass resolution 9-8 it's uh Yes that's right and may I have a second please i'll second uh all those in favor say I i I resolution 98 uh has passed next may I have a mo motion to approve resolution 99 resolution
authorizing participation of Sparta Township in the state development and redevelopment plan state plan crossceptance process so I need a motion to approve resolution 999 i'll make a motion to approve resolution 9-9 may I
have a second please you have a second all right manager Zep last one fill us in all right so the the state plan so uh the the state planning act uh requires that the state um usually every 10 years
um do their state plan all right what is their state plan that state plan is an opportunity to involve reconciling inconsistencies between the state and local policies um what this does is is that the township uh the state is going to do
their plan when it comes to redevelopment um I have my cheat sheet here uh with the state properties and the state and they want them to be consistent with the county and with the uh with the locals and what we're doing is justifying that we would like that
the county to uh allow us to seat at the table so that we have a say in uh how our policies uh and our zoning and and our our planning um correlates with theirs so so it's
very similar um and um this allows us to do that they require a formal resolution that that we do this and then what'll happen is the county will be uh corresponding with the state state's corresponding with the county then the county will be corresponding with the
town and um this doesn't lose any control or seed to anything to anybody it just again allows us a say uh in in the state planning when they when the state starts putting its uh new new planning policies together so great
thank you yeah I know that we all hear a lot of the time we get these dictates from the state um and feel like the towns don't have an adequate seat at the table and it sounds like this is a way so that we do get that seat at the table exactly okay um All right thank you any
other questions from my fellow council members right all those in favor of resolution 99 say I i i resolution 99 has passed so we are done with that thank you manager Zep for your thorough explanation for each of those we really
appreciate it uh next up are council leaison updates and I will start to my far left with Councilman Scott any council leaison updates for today uh the plan the planning board approved uh uh stop and shops renovation of their their
signage and uh you may want to speak in the mic okay last week the uh planning board approved the uh renovation and replacement of of stop and shop signage and uh I guess
this is a program that they do every 10 to 14 years um as as as many of you know the the store has been changed on the inside and on and it's and this is to approve the outside
change that and that was really the main action of the planning board the other day any other updates business development any business development updates since your last uh council meeting
at the business development meeting we talked about um we talked about the issues that were important to many Sparta Sparta residents and people that are coming to Sparta to to open businesses and we're
trying to put together a a suggestion list and and and program to work with the zoning department and the planning department to figure out a way in which we can put put a booklet together which says this
is what you have to do to come to Sparta and and open a business and other towns have done it and we are trying to put that we as business development uh team are going to put that together over the
next few months fantastic thank you any other updates that's it okay okay deputy Mayor Murphy I have um from the Environmental Commission we have uh we did baggage day this past weekend and as
you heard got a tremendous tremendous load and uh there's still a lot more to be done a lot more so there's different there's other organizations we're not done yet there'll be uh Earth Day and
which is May 3rd we will also be having uh at the middle school right now and Earth Day will be a lot of information that anyone we're inviting everybody from the public to come out and find out
all about the environmental um the commission and all about other organizations in town there's also other baggot days um that's yeah Lake Mahawk Preservation Foundation is on the 26th at 9:00 a.m uh anybody wants to come out
and help us pick up garbage which is just atrocious i just it's amazing but what we found I even found a license plate in the front end of a car up on Woodport Road huh looking at you Captain
yeah yeah but um so the environmental commission is also working on uh with the trails and that's about what I have for right now until our meeting in two nights
fantastic thank you um so I wasn't obviously at the last meeting so I didn't get to do some of the liaison updates that I'd otherwise do uh first on our trails we have another meeting uh on Thursday um I am happy to report that
on um you know we have various trail projects that we're considering um I'm now at liberty to disclose at least one of them um we have been working with to build a trail from the middle school to the high school um as a way to
facilitate we've heard that for safety reasons for access reasons uh on and and so as I mentioned before these trails often intersect property owned by various constituencies private property owners New Jersey land trusts well the New
Jersey land trust owns a particular part of the property by which this trail would uh go through and so on March 21st um Doug Dystra from our committee went to uh a meeting of the New Jersey Land Trust simply to have a public comment
period kind of like we do here and so what he did at that meeting is simply raised the issue uh that we were considering doing this that if there could be sort of a swap of land between New Jersey Land Trust and Sparta Township would there be any receptivity by the New Jersey Land Trust um and I
happy to report there was that i mean there's still a lot of legal work that will have to be involved in that but I think it's a step in the right direction uh we found that that one is one we'd like to prioritize for kind of obvious reasons it would be a fantastic addition to this town um and you know we'll have
to then there's some private property owners along there that we we'll have to work with but we're excited about getting this project started um so stay tuned for that uh our film committee um we have uh
again um we took a big step tonight with finally finalizing the amendments to the ordinance that should then clear the way for us to then be considered for being designated a film ready community um so and we hope to you know we're expecting
to get that and what we'd like to do and we're working on doing is to once that happens is not only to do an announcement that we've been designated but also to present um a short film actually called uh in the lingo that I'm
quickly learning what's called a sizzle reel which is what they do when they're trying to um convince a um a television like Netflix or Hulu to pick up a certain uh TV program uh one of those
was filmed over the summer in in Sparta Township it's about 11 minutes long it's in postprouction right now so we are looking forward to um uh presenting that along with hopefully an announcement from the state that we've been designated uh a film community uh we
continue to receive interest and um and projects uh throughout uh about people coming to Sparta and our film committee is is doing a very good job of uh meeting with these folks find and and basically being advocates for Sparta and why Sparta would be a great place uh to
bring film and uh TV entertainment production uh next up is our rec committee um again they uh as I've mentioned before we do have an additional member who is on there they're still looking for folks to apply um again we need folks on the rec
committee they do need help putting on the various events that they do uh including the one uh April 12th which is uh the Easter Bunny um and so come to the Sparta Library April 12th in the morning um and you can see the Easter
Bunny they do a ton of other things um we're also discussing various sort of bigger projects that the rec committee wants to do uh including uh pickle ball courts which would be at White Lake Field uh that's something we are exploring i think there's a huge amount of interest in that and so I hope you
know one day that we will be able to report that we can we can go forward uh with that and with that that is all my council liaison updates for today excuse me i have I have uh some more from the
environmental committee there was a gentleman that was going to get back to us re we've had a lot of people concerned with deer management and the amount of deer that we have um he has been in touch with Noel and uh
the chairwoman and he did not get back to us yet but there's a lot of things that are being considered for the amount of deer that we have in town and uh there's a lot of concern from a lot of residents about this so he has not
gotten back to us as of yet though we were going to report on that and uh other than that there uh is a lot of planting going around there's a lot of organizations that are that are planting in different locations that if anybody
wants to get involved with please call the recck department or lake Mohawk Country Club or to help plant and keep our town beautiful thank you you're welcome right we're now up to unfinished and new business uh
Councilman Scott do you have any unfinished or new business you need to bring to our attention uh no not tonight okay deputy Mayor Murphy do you not i have I have a few again because I wasn't at the last meeting um first I had the pleasure on
March 20th of um speaking to a local uh Cub Scout troop in this chamber um got they wanted to know what a local government does what a mayor does um and they were fabulous questions very smart
kids um and I got to show them around the building explain what each department does um and so that was a lot of fun to do that um also on March 28th I'm happy to report I officiated the Sanchez wedding uh so our our
congratulations go out to the Sanchez's for uh getting married and thank you for picking uh Sparta Township uh I've done a couple uh grand openings as we mentioned earlier Yippy Arts um you welcome to our community um I also did
the Buffalo Wild Wings i think my mouth has finally come back to feeling normal after trying the hottest wings that they've had um do not recommend doing that if you're not used to spicy food but are happy uh for them uh to be there
and uh I think I got an announcement this week there's another beauty salon that's opening um and so I'll be participating in the grand opening of that and I think there is probably another someone else asking to get married so it's it's that year it's that time of year so we're happy to see that
uh in Sparta so that is all the unfinished or Oh nope i do have another one i need to make a mayor appointment as I said our rec committee is in need of folks and I'm happy to report that we have a gentleman by the name of Brett Lagura who is requested to be a part of
the uh recreation committee so I will make a motion oh I made her appointment can I just I don't need a vote for this no you should vote all right I'll vote for it um uh may I have a motion to to appoint Brett Lora to the recreation committee i'll make a motion to to
appoint what's miss Brett Lora yep and to the Okay may I have a second please second all those in favor say I i all right mr lora thank you um wherever you may be for um being member of our rec
committee we're glad to have you okay um and that is all that I have for today um we are now up to our final uh public comment period um this one is not limited to anything in particular so uh again please state your name and address
for the record and please be mindful of our five minute limit hi Kathy Evan Cows and Scutters Road i have questions about uh resolution 96 i didn't get them before in the public comment period prior so I figured I
would still ask them um regarding the chemicals that are being used by the vendor and I'm sure Mr zup these are for you as well regarding the the chemicals are there chemicals i mean you mentioned fertilizer are we in
is that a chemical compound i don't have uh the detailed information you're looking for i did speak to the recreation you know who who assigned this contract and uh she knew that there were some questions on it and she did explain to me though that they use more
of a granular fertilizer not a liquid and they do that intentionally uh to to be more conservative about the spillover and whatnot and that the licensed operators are aware of the surroundings and whatnot but I am told it is a
granular mix that they use can a list of the chemicals that they're applying be posted somewhere for the public for public consumption sure sure i I I believe that was in their quote so I I could do that okay great um do you know
if the vendor uses signage to the treatment locations and you know like warning not to step on them i don't i'd have to ask okay can can that be considered if it's not if they don't um right now um can the public be notified when
uh it says four treatments a year when these treatments are scheduled so they know what you know kind of to stay away um I'll look into that i you know I just don't want to make a commitment and not you know research it first of course of
course um these are just for consideration um and I noticed you know the station or the fields that are listed including station park um I don't see any school fields are the school fields also part of this no they're not we're separate okay good to know okay um
that's all I have for that um since uh Mayor you mentioned the trails and the trail between the high school and the middle school i'm so excited i have one kid that won't be likely benefiting from that but one who might um so the
questions in my mind go to the safety right because in the area between the middle school and the high school it feels like these are you know areas with wildlife um areas that might become dark are there considerations being made for you know making sure that you know small
children you know elementary school children middle school children are protected or will be protected um to some degree um you know while traversing the trail yeah so the the there will be in the design of the trail um all that
is being considered um part of it you know and and actually where the trail is going to be obviously you have to take in mind the the sensitive ecological area that it's in so that that's all up for consideration and we're we're not at that level yet to where we're saying you
know what's where is it going to exactly be because again that's a function of some of the easements that we'll have to get some of the you So the land swap that we probably will have to do um that kind of thing but again uh please know that it will be kind of putting safety
first about you know its location also being mindful of the environmental sensitivity and of course because we live in a rural area right it's not completely unavoidable it's kind of expected that you would have wildlife it's just a consideration because these are you know seventh seventh graders you
know traveling maybe in groups maybe alone so just something to think about yeah and and part of it is too is that it whatever happens hopefully it's safer than than them going down you know the the yeah the west mountain road um as you know some may do now so that's the
idea is to try to make it safer so they can actually be off the main road yes much appreciated hi my name is Dana Galino and I live on Valley View Trail in Sparta um I just wanted to come up here and just let you know on uh March 29th I took part in a
peaceful protest um that was in uh Dystra Park and then uh after we um we walked over to uh Mohawk A and we uh stood there on the road um there was about a hundred of us and uh we were out there for about 2
hours um and it was really wellreceived and uh which was very nice um there were a couple of uh counterprotesters that showed up at the end but we did have um police presence and um I don't I don't think anyone was
really expecting the counterprotesters so maybe we weren't really sure how to handle it um and so it was a little uh disappointing in in just how that was handled but uh a few of us reached out to uh Chief McCarrick um afterwards and just said you know hey it just seemed
like it was a little scary a little bit like disappointing and maybe we could use it as a learning experience and um we were I was introduced to L Lieutenant Antelo who um did a full investigation and he uh reached out to me yesterday and he agreed you know what there was
probably some better ways that we could have handled some things and you know we're probably not used to here in Sparta having protests but it might be something that um will be um there will be more of in the future and um and it's
great that they're peaceful and so um he was really open to you know taking some feedback that he had um garnered from the investigation back to uh the squad and kind of talking to them about it and it made me feel really good it felt um
like hey you know what we could all live together uh in this town and we don't all have to agree but as long as we keep it peaceful and so I just wanted to kind of come up here and compliment Well first of all I want to thank um the uh the folks that put together the protest
um it was probably a little daunting to see how this was going to go um but it was uh wellreceived and it was well attended and I also want to thank uh Chief McCarrick and his whole team um and Lieutenant Antelo just for the um
the respect and the um the openness and um just for I guess just being willing to work with us and uh and so I I often I often complain a lot at the board of ed meetings so I thought this was an opportunity for me to compliment someone and so this is a great place to
do it so thank you so much thank you thank you yeah um my experience with our police force is that they're dedicated to excellence and when you're dedicated to excellence and getting better you're open to feedback um and and that's been
my experience with them um and so I I really that doesn't surprise me that you got a great reception that you did and they were willing to hear because that's been my experience with them and um you know thank you to our police force for you know we can all you know we up here can get better everyone can get better
so thank you and appreciate the compliments um doesn't mean people can stop complaining you're welcome to complain um that's what we're here for sometimes but it's nice to hear the compliments so thank you with that anyone else uh public comment
Jenny Derek's tap into Sparta um about the resolution i think it was 99 um regarding the state plan who from Sparta will be at the table is it an
actual physical meeting or is it just an interchange of ideas i understand it'll be multiple meetings and we did have to designate some representatives and in our designation we have our planner who is uh Miss Lindseay Knight our uh town
engineer Corey Stoner and uh Dory Fox our planning and zoning department head thank you um my favorite probably not your favorite topic um planning board minutes of 16 how we
doing 16 are missing from 2024 11 are missing from 2023 and of those 11 four do not have video either okay zoning board I'm sorry at environmental commission eight are
missing from 2024 14 are missing from 2023 any idea when we might see some of these planning board minutes at least I'll work on it you know what I have them do Jenny you can just tell the camera because I have them watch this and I say "Hey you got to help me get
this address for Jenny here." And you know what Jenny I I I don't want to be out of line but I I just read that you were uh awarded an award recently from Newton for is it future leaders of America future business leaders of America nominated well congratulations
thank you i appreciate that especially because I always poke at you so I'm going to poke at you a little more after that very nice uh comment it was distraction um so how are we doing with the brownfield
uh we're doing well uh we're following up on that um Anna and I actually are working on that together um right now we are waiting for our our wetland permit to to fill in and uh it's it's held up at the D level i don't know why uh we're
anxious to get going on it but that's the the the stage we're at right now do we know yet where our land that we have that we have to donate to the state do we know where that's going green Acres Trust I think is I think
it's part of the Green Acres Trust fund and there's no way that they can turn around at some point and sell it or build on it or anything like that okay and was land banking ever considered for that um for those parcels of land
when you say land banking you say purchasing land credits for either that or having them purchase from us yeah um I think they were pursuing the land swap first because it was the least costly to the town and it's mutually beneficial because the properties will never be
developed or utilized so I think that's it um I would have leaned on the bank if if we ran out of that option so it wasn't off the table i was cons I was asking about the opposite of having where they pay excuse me they pay the
municipality for the land in order to have it in their land bank you're talking about the vendor the leasey any of them there's a whole host of um um again that was in there as an option i I think they were trying to pursue this one because it was the least costly okay
and it looks like we're we're going to be successful in it it's just um the D is is is is holding up the the permit right now making its time yeah so thank you and um finally in our um um requirement for our low-income
housing um the is it correct that we are still pursuing um a reconsideration of our number or is that on hold or what does that look like it's active it's active
okay thank you thank you no when is the next budget hearing meeting we're probably hoping uh uh next council meeting in the 22nd next budget meeting but you have to have a budget meeting hearing meeting right we did have a
budget workshop right when's the hearing uh well the hearing hasn't been set it's got to be introduced first right we're looking to introduce the 22nd and then What's your deadline with the state of New Jersey you have to have it submitted down to the Trenton by a certain date what's that date they allow the extensions it's uh I believe it's
actually late May early June oh okay so we're running out of time because usually it's the end of April or something like that right right but a lot of towns actually have financial issues uh whether getting the county's uh cap number or or getting their
auditors to finalize documents uh they the state allows extensions and it'll be June then uh I'm hoping to get the hearing done before that okay but the deadline I can I can look that up for you Jim hold on you don't have a budget right now a firm
budget so if they let it go to June are they going to allow you to to ex continue to spend money like 50% of your total you understand what I'm trying to say yeah it's based on last year's budget okay all right and we just did an extension for the for for the expenditures for this year's budget all
right you're only allowed to go on last year's budget right all right we just did at the last council meeting we did another extension so we could continue to operate all right and then we're looking to introduce a budget uh at the next council meeting and that'll then finalize the budget for this year okay
how are you going to budget for me so you're suing the state the state department of environmental protection or the water quality plan you have this lawsuit now so how you going to budget that when you don't know what the dollar figure number is going to be because right now we've just opened up Pandora's box
we don't know a number and we don't know what the insurance number is going to be whether Jeff Fund's going to pay for it at all they might say "No we we're denying the claim." Then what do you do yeah um I'm not comfortable talking about the litigation part Jim i think it's not
litigation it's an insurance matter we're under an active lawsuit and I'm just Yeah I understand but there is an there will be an item in the budget about professional services right sure and in that professional services would would cover uh litigation
uh expected litigation expenses am I right there there is a a number that's always allocated just like the previous year yeah but see what happened in the 2024 budget when you got down into October you started taking money from senior citizens funds and from the fire
bureau and here there truck maintenance parks wreck everything was falling down hold on let me punish everything was falling down into legal fees and the rest of the residents of Sparta were losing out because it was all going to
legal fees but it was budgeted for certain things and it wasn't used for those things apparently you and I have a little bit of a difference as to how we're going to spend the money in the town but th those transfers that were done at the end of
the year were not to take away money from other groups all right they were done you weren't even on the town board at the time excuse me sir you weren't on the town board at the time that's correct so how would you know what transfers were being made well I was at
the meetings yeah um Mr zap is No my concern is My concern is with this lawsuit going on you're going to start people are going to end up being hurt that That's not going to happen that's what happened last time okay so what you're telling me is you're not going to make any budget transfers next year and start shoveling money around first i
think not for legal services we won't okay that's all I wanted to know i heard we didn't we didn't last year either what we did was an emergency appropriation there was $96,000 taken in November yeah boy that was $5 a person $5 a person it wasn't for the help keep
this town it's just it's the other day without cost each voter in this town $11.73 for this lawsuit you got the best crystal ball in the world because nobody knows that cost about this lawsuit
nobody knows that lawsuit cost no it was not about this lawsuit and it's going to cost a threat jim you come out with this number you always come out with numbers you don't know what you're talking about well 3,200 trucks a day 500 2200 it sir it was 2200 trucks and if you go back to
Diamond Ship's If you go back to Diamond Ship's initial study it was 2200 never said 32 and 545 vehicles thank you very much be glad to talk to you about any numbers you want even if it's 2200 you can't
unload sit down you cannot unload i got 14 seconds you can't unload 22 you're not going to You're not going to harass this township and and while we're speaking of being inaccurate and wrong am I right Mr zep that none of those transfers that you made were transfers
from a department to legal expenses correct so when Mr castmore stands up here and tries to assert hush do you understand yeah I understand all right sit down am I No I don't like the way you speak
to this council and get up here and say all kinds of inaccuracies and I'm trying to clarify the record so shut up and listen Mr zep am I right that there were no transfers that were made from one department to the legal expenses that's
correct okay so when Mr castmore made that assertion he was incorrect was he not it would appear so thank you may May I have a motion to adjurnn so moved may I have a second please i'll
make a second all those in favor say I i motion carried we are adjourned say I i