special location where you're at. You can call it open space, but you're near the Glenn, which is our most, you know, our best natural resource in all of Sparta, right? We want that preserved. You're talking about Glenn, you're talking about Morris Lake, right? And
lower Glenn Lake. And we have a reservoir there, and we have a pipeline there. And the in prior days we used to have sort of little villages throughout Sparta, you know, little areas that developed just a little bit, right? So that they were their own little enclave
because it was a summer resort town, right? As a matter of fact, I think I think the lodge, we used to call this the lodge. I think it used to be called Burn Bray in. I think Arthur D. Crane, the originator of Lake Mohawk,
was was, you know, fabled to have eaten at this inn. Okay. So, I think that's the the the heritage of it. But now it's a very rural suburb and it's really misplaced in a way. Um, I'm sure plenty of people are going to argue to have a
multi-unit home there. you know, we we cherish our zoning here and we cherish that this is an R2 now. So, I really have to be clear. Am I is this a Dvariance where you're changing the use?
That's going to be very important. And I don't feel like we're clear right now on that. I know your planner came up and said, "No, we're not, but then I heard that we potentially are." So, I'm not clear on that part right now. Is there is there already a variance in place
that makes this multif family or not? You said it was called the lodge. I think that was an anecdotal term uh for the past, you know, 40 years. Okay. But but before it it went under private
ownership and you know it was it was kind of a temporary home for wayward college graduates. um and whomever else was around. Um you have such a way with words. Thank you.
It was it was the stepping stone from your house to your real home. But um uh but you know before that I think it was you know right when this when Lake Mohawk was started it was one of those little villages again where you had another lake and you had an inn,
etc. But anyway, I I just don't feel like I don't know what we're voting on and I'm a little unclear about the plans. I think there's some um discrepancies in the plans. I'd like to be more solid before we made Well, they'll be coming back, Jennifer, as we know. So, we'll get a little more
clarification. Okay. And that's all the questions I have. Chairman Kenneth Larry, I just one Mr. Hogan, if you know anything about the sales transaction on page seven, the Sussex County Sheriff's Office, can
you elaborate on that if he's here? Mr. Hogan yet? Is it the engineer or planner? Uh, Mr. Hogan, the uh he was I'm the engineer. Mr. Then, what was his name? The planner. I'm sorry. What was your question on page seven? Can you elaborate on the
uh sales transaction at the I can elaborate. The last owner was foreclosed on and my client purchased this property at the sheriff's sale. All right. Thank you. Any other questions right now? If not, I'll open it to the Hold on. I I forgot Michael Steyberg. I
apologize. I got I have an easy one here. I apologize. I'll try I'll try and take it easy here. Um quick question for you on the the max impervious coverage uh percentage on this one. So it within the documents
here references 15.5%. Um but I thought I heard 17.75%. Can you clarify which one it is? Uh so the proposed impervious coverage currently increases to 17.75%.
In the initial communications with the town before the entire team was brought together I believe the intent was to reduce the impervious coverage to 15.5. Um, however, just with the size of the current structure and how
we need to get to the parking area and to provide parking even just for the residents, it's really impossible to reduce the impervious coverage below the um below the existing or even below the
uh maximum limit. Okay. Okay. So, I guess just for for record purposes and uh making sure everything's tied off, let's make sure that the documents are updated accordingly to reflect the 17.75. That's what the final number is going to be on there. Um, in regards to the powder room
dwelling uh again, so is that only going to be accessible by we'll call it unit 4 or is it going to be u like common use? It is only accessible by unit 4. It is part of unit 4. Okay. And then in regards to the
remaining attic and basement levels on there, is there going to be common areas for people to access the remaining attic and basement or will they have to go into specific units to uh access those areas?
I'll talk about the basement uh because that's straightforward. The utility meters are there so that will have access um but there are no common storage areas or attic areas per se. whatever there is is for a specific unit and I believe that applies only to I'm
going to say unit 4 uh because that's where you have an extension uh that does not have enough height clearance um previously there were multiple walls constructed to create rooms uh but we don't believe we can get any of that so it's just going to be attic storage
at that point only access only go to unit four then okay and then as far as basement storage and access Is that public or like you know common like where anybody could get down into that or is it again accessible only from one individual unit?
It is accessible to all but that's why the utility meters are there's no storage space per se in there. It's not tall enough for um any any kind of storage space. Okay, that's it for me for questions. Thank you.
I'll now open a hearing to the public for their comments and questions on this application. Please come forward. And if you're so kind to try to keep your comments and questions to five minutes or so so we can get everyone in here tonight
with their questions. All right. Please give your name and uh address to the secretary and then our board attorney will swear you in. Okay. Sure. Name is Anthony Girdullah. Uh, last name is spelled G I A R D U L L
O. My address is 49 Glenn Lake Road. Anthony, do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth of proceedings before the board tonight? So, I hope you got it. I do. Go ahead, Anthony. Thank you, Glen. So, uh, you know, after everyone's testimony and the presentation, I I
would just like to point out that, uh, the number of units of this dwelling doesn't matter. Um, granting a devariance will change the use of this property. Um, the applicants council mentioned that the number of kitchens and apartments this structure has, but I
do know it was listed and sold as a single family dwelling. Um, I'm currently I should have started with this. I'm currently the president of the Glen Lake Beach Association. Um, and that beach sits right across from uh the
lodge as uh we refer to it. And um there was a mention of a dumpster area with fencing. Um the applicant no one no one had mentioned that um this property backs up to the Spartan uh Glenn. So I'm
glad one of our board members uh did mention that. But uh there's no fencing that's going to be keeping bears out of dumpsters. Um and I it also poses a safety hazard because it is across from the beach. Um, so you know, the bears
are going to be, you know, swarming the beach area. Uh, I I think that these changes will change the entire lake community. I've been uh on that lake for 30 years. Uh, I grew up on that lake. Uh, I believe that the lights will not only negatively affect the area
surrounding it, but across the lake, uh, which is where my house is. Uh, and I think as mentioned that this building does have a lot of history to it. Um, it's included in weird New Jersey. It has, you know, great historical roots.
Uh, Thomas Edison has uh, you know, supposedly stayed at this uh, building when he was working on his Ogden baby. Um, and turning this building into an apartment uh, complex would pose a significant disturbance to the area.
And thank you, Anthony. Please give your name and address, sir, to the secretary. Then our board attorney will swear you in. My name is Glenn Thomas. I live at two Burn Lane up in the same community
tonight. So, how many ends do you have in Glenn? I'm one end. Glenn. All right. Don't hold it against me. Raise your right hand, please. Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth of proceedings before the board tonight you got? Yes, I do. Glenn, also if you keep it around five minutes or so. Thank you. Short.
Thank you. Um firstly, let me say that um you know, I've had dealings with Lewis and he's he's a nice guy and you know, we would welcome him in to a single home to be
our neighbor. But this multi-propy, multifamily property is there's a story that goes behind it with the lodge and we had all kinds of problems. It's a little tranquil
community aside from what transpired at the lodge. There was a Megan's law person living there. There were drug dealings going in and out. There was 30foot bonfires that the fire department had to repeatedly come for. So, we're scarred as a community. What we really
want is a nice family moving into a single family home and just being part of our community. And this seems to be taking us back maybe not to the same place certainly, but it's it's challenging our community again. I was
the president of Lake Association for 11 years. Um, I've been there 20 years and I'm one of the newbies as you can see. um by my neighbors. Um but we just hope that you do not allow this to become
anything other than a single family home and let our community have its nice tranquility and and be the the setting that it should be. So that's all I had. Before you go, you put some stuff on the record that I find a little confusing. Yes. You're referring to a lodge. What was
the name of the lodge? Um, it was called the Glen Lake Lodge Hotel. This is They sat up all night thinking of that one, huh? Glen Lake Lodge Hotel. Yeah, but this is from a postcard back
in the day. Must have been in the 20s or something like that. But And the lodge that you're referring to is this main structure. Yes. That was before the Yes. Yes. And how long have you lived there? 20 years. And you have any recollection as to how
many apartments may have existed 20 years ago when you first moved in or should we wait until you're I mean Andy's All right, we'll let Andy do it. I'm not spotting you, Glenn. So we'll let somebody else testify. But um but and I don't think it was a well- definfined number quite frankly.
It was a lot of you know vagueness to what was going on. So Okay. Thanks Glenn. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else please come forward? Sir, please give your name and address to the secretary. Then our attorney will swear you in. Yeah. How you doing? You're going to
You've heard this one before. My name is Anthony Goddullo. I live at 33 Glen Lake Road. And um that was my son before. That's where we and Anthony even though your your name's already has
been swear Anthony you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth proceeds for the board up you go ahead Anthony um like my son said he grew up there you know on the lake 30 years because I moved here 30 years ago so I lived there 30 years since the 30 years that I've been there the lodge at most we've had
two members so we had the owner and he he paid a separate membership for a a guest So for 30 years we collected two membership dues. So m you know making this a four family um we're going to
have to figure a way to make that you know if that goes through we need to collect dues for four families. We can't have the owner Mr. of Peralta paying dues as you know one member and having four families using the facilities you
know but I stepped up because you you asked the question about you know recollection of how many people have used it and for 30 years at most it was always two two individuals or two families Anthony it was uh well Kerry Lane was the owner
uh him and him and his uh wife or girlfriend and he had you know another couple that lived there it was basically two couples that were the main residents. And then when that second couple that he rented to moved away, that's when we started
having the uh problems with the, you know, Wayward transients and all the problems. You know, I'm, you know, that's on record with the town. They all know about the cops know that, right? That's really got nothing to do with what the board's got to consider, but the board does have to get down to what the uses actually were if it was
pre-existing non-conforming to perform some basis. Right. I'm just giving you the history of the building and basically, you know, in the 30 years I've been there, that's what I've seen and that's what that was it. Thank you. Anyone else please come forward?
Seeing no one else, it's now closed to the public and back to the board. So, Mr. Burgundorf, I guess we'll have to carry this to the next meeting since you have a lot of information to get back to us on. Yeah, I just had a couple questions. There were a lot of references to the discrepancies. Were those specifically
related to um measurements, rooms, those types of things? Yes. Okay. And David and Lindsay could comment on I just I wanted to make note that's all that that's the start of it. Go ahead, Lyn. Yeah. Um well the maximum lot coverage,
building height, rear yard setback are not consistent across the three documents that were submitted. Um also the plans that we were given had five units which was different than what was presented this evening. So if we could get the revised plans to review that
because I think that's a pretty big um difference and big big change in the review letters. Um that's what I had off the bat. David, did you have anything else? No. Thank you. I had some things, Mr. Chairman. Seems to me, Dan, that you ought to be able to get some property record cards or
something because right now in looking at the architectural plans, it looks like there might have been four apartments for lack of a better, but I'm not necessarily hearing that. And that's okay. We just got to figure it out. But, you know, there are different ways that you can establish pre-existing
non-conforming uses. You can look for punch holes on the side of a building where the meat electric meters used to be. You can look at, you know, the kitchens are kind of a tip off. If you have five kitchens, it's usually five apartments or five somethings,
unless you got grandma tucked away in the basement. Uh, and I think the board should have some additional information. And can I just go on with this stuff because I got a whole list of things. Please, Glenn, please. It's It seems like I think we're gonna need You sure you're not a planner or an
engineer? No, I'm not going to be a planner. I'm unlicensed unlike her. I'm just not a professional like her. Uh I think we ought to have architectural renderings because some of the board members raised questions as to how and what it was going to look like. It was
pretty hard to follow. I found, and I don't know, maybe it's just me, I found the architecturals kind of hard to follow. Uh, I would like a uh detail sheet, Dan, showing what siding is going
to be used, where it's going to be put, so that the board knows as it's processing the application where the stuff is going. Um, and Dave and Lindsay can certainly jump all over me on this one, but I had a lot of trouble following the architectural stuff. We
just Dave and I just went through an application not unlike this in Newton and it took the applicant what about three or four tries to actually get it so that the board could understand the questions that you guys down at that end we're talking about. So I think you
ought to be looking at that. My suggestion quite frankly is that between now and either the next hearing or the hearing after that that maybe the applicant meet with David and Lindsay to kind of go through stuff. The board
members can't really do that because you're in the middle of a hearing process. So you can't really discuss it out of the public's eye. But I don't have a problem with Dave and Lindsay kind of going through it to get it so that it's kind of just tight for the board to do.
I'd greatly appreciate that doing that. Correct. Yeah, we could do that a Zoom or something. Um I would suggest too for the doing kind of like a unit breakdown of you kind of started doing it with like the colors. that might be helpful on doing like a colorized floor plan
where each unit's a color overlaid and then also having a table explaining the number of bedrooms, bathrooms for each unit. That would be helpful. Um I would also just I know David touched on it as well, submitting a landscape plan. Yep, we will absolutely do that.
Awesome. Yeah. Um I think that's all those are. Let me help you a little bit while you're coming up for air. I think you really That's what we were just talking about. I think you really got to tie down what it was when it first started,
what it was when it was thriving. Uh, all we a all we were able to do thanks to some of the uh adjoining property owners was go back about 30 years and this has a long history. I don't know whether it was a rooming house at f. I
don't know. You know, it's what about 12,000 square feet if you add up all the floors, I guess, and stuff, right? Did Did they Did you guys contact the building department to see what kind of We did an Oprah request and I got resolutions, but the resolutions resulted in non-approvals. Um the uh the
resolutions that I did come up with, each one of them, and these were from the '9s, said or referenced a hotel and that they were changing the use from a hotel to the proposed use. Um, and they were denied. Um, but I'll keep looking at it. I just
I got a shortcut for you. Yeah. You know Wayne McCabe? No. Do now. Okay. He's the former Sussex County and he's proud of it and he has more postcards.
Historians love talking about historic things. He gets misty eyed. Yeah. Okay. So, good. He'll know. I I think I think that might help. But I the problem I think at least is as I'm hearing up here is that it's a tough
application because it's really uh counterintuitive to what's going on up there. I mean you have as David said Newton's main water site off Morris Lake and Morris Lake is I think the highest and best classification that DP has or
at least it was. I don't know whether it still is or not. And then you have this other lake that comes down that uh Glenn talked about. So I think you just got to get your arms around it so that we can kind of circle back and get that stuff. Dan. Yep. Understood. Uh and there just a
point of reference is just there was uh there was a dumpster enclosure that's included in the plans and the dumpster would be enclosed and that was certainly something and and I I put airproof. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Agreed. Northern Jersey. Nothing's fair. Yeah,
we all know that, Bud. We all know that. Thank you, Glenn. Uh, I don't think that there's anything else, but I think I think if they meet with the board's folks. Oh, sure. No, they said that'll be great. And then we'll When's the next meeting, Marissa? Is August 12th, I believe.
Um, August 13th. Will you have enough of time for the August 13th or have to go into September? Oh, there's no second meeting in August. We only have one. No, not in the summertime, Dan. Okay. I was just asking um I'd like to try not to move to September, but based
on the concerns um you know we can try for the 13th and if not we'll we'll have it moved. So we'll put it down on the 13th with no further notice. We'll carry it to the 13th without further notice. Sounds
okay. Any other questions or comments before I open it to the public for any of their comments or questions on agendas? Uh items not on tonight's agenda. Seeing no one, it's now back to the board. We'll
entertain a motion to adjurnn. So moved. All in favor? Eyes. The eyes have it. We're now adjourned. Like to also thank all the board members for their comments and questions tonight. And especially I'd like to thank David and Lindsay for their
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