Good evening, Springfield. Welcome to the August 11th, 2025 Township of Springfield Planning Board meeting. Adequate notice has been given accordance with the Sunshine Laws. Notice was published on July 17, 2025 in the local source, which is the official newspaper of the Township of Springfield
and posted in the annex building on the following day, July 18, 2025. Uh let's do a salute to the flag, please. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible and justice for allice for all. Okay. Well, welcome everyone. Let's do a quick roll call before we start the meeting. Miss Law, would you mind taking a roll call for us? Um, Mayor Rich Huber is calling me right
now. So after I do this roll call, I'll call committeeman Alex Kaiser present. Mr. David Barnett here. Mr. Aaron Loer. Mr. Richard Cedarquist. Richard's here. He's here. Say yes.
Yeah, I see. I see him. Okay, he's muted. Um, Miss Julie Tomo, Mr. Scott Wishna, present. Vice Chair Sharon Kessle. Yeah. and Chairman Tiger. Yes. And for the record, um, Miss Law,
um, Julie and Aaron have excused absences. We've they reached out, had some conflicts, so I'll just make sure the record reflects that they're excused. Uh, we'll wait for Mr. Huber before doing the application. But for the first thing we have is resolution 6-2025-S, Dundar Management Group LLC, 3 Dundar
Road, block 3903, lot 9. This was for a minor site plan variance for the shed. Uh the board recalls they came before us for a shed. They had to they couldn't plant trees. There was a certain amount of money being put in the tree replacement escrow uh fund to be able to plant trees throughout the township. I
think that was the only condition. The resolution should be on the board uh on on our um Google Drive. If anyone had any questions or concerns regarding that seeing none, uh I'd like uh someone to make a motion to approve the resolution and someone second it.
So move second. We have a roll call. Miss Law, you're on mute. You're Was this second? I'm sorry, Mr. Tiger. Was this second by by Committeeman Kaiser? Oh, sorry. I just didn't hear it. My My apologies.
I'll just say yes since I'll go first anyway. Thank you. Committeeman Kaiser. Yes. I have Mayor uh Huber on the phone right now. Uh we're going to try and rectify his situation. Uh Mayor Huber, yes. Okay. Mr. Cedarquist,
yes. Uh Mr. Wishna, yes. Vice Chair Kessle, yes. And Chairman Tiger, yes. And then obviously let the record reflect that Mayor Huber joined uh at um 6:32. What? 6:33.
Right. Perfect. Okay. Okay. So, our first our only application this evening is application 7-2025S which is scoop of Joe 9 South Springfield Avenue block 1402 lot 9. This is for a minor site plan variance for an ice cream shop with seating. So,
it's a conditional. It's the ice cream shop is granted. It's been open for about a month, month and a half right now. And what they're coming before us is to put some additional to put some seating not additional to put some seating inside the ice cream shop. And the issue is it's a parking variance. Um, uh, Mr. Disco, do you want to give a
quick overview of, you know, I know you've done some, uh, work and then some, uh, review of the parking and then let's get the applicant up to give some information. Yeah. Well, any restaurant that has seating is a conditional use and requires the board appearance. So,
that's why they're here. So, we analyze parking from a historical basis from Google Earth imagery going back to 95 or whatever. And then we've since the application's been known over the last couple of months, we've been doing uh in-person parking observations. And so
uh the application for this tenant space can work with the prevailing parking that's going on for the other three tenants in the multi-tenant building. So that's historically based and also uh based upon the uh recent in-person
observation. So, uh, one of the conditional use requirements is does the parking work and the answer is it's going to work. It has been working as they've been open. If you look at the tables we provided, we did do some weekend and weekday use uh, midday
evening hours and there's really no period that we've seen yet where um, parking is going to be taxed to the point that this is not going to work. Mind you that the parking obviously ice cream is going to be probably non-existent in the in the winter or
very diminished. The ice cream use is probably a use that is meets well with the other uses. It's compatible because it's a weekend use. It's an evening use when the other offices are for the most
part uh closed already. So uh I don't really see an issue with the parking. We're just jumping through the hoop that the conditional use requires us to do to analyze it. Okay, let's uh Pu, let's bring in uh the attorney uh from the other side and any
of their witnesses. But as you're doing that, one thing I want to bring up for any of the public that has been before this, obvious there's been a lot of surrounding things that the planning board has canceled meetings and not have been uh trying to get this application done. You know, this board's charged
with making sure that we're doing the best we can to make sure that when businesses come in that they're following the ordinances and that we're designing sites to make sure that it has no adverse effects on additional residents, homeowners, and
businesses, and so forth. Uh, for the record, this application, I think, was submitted sometime in April or May, and we've been trying to get it on the meeting in May, June, July. I know there were some issues with noticing availability of attorneys, but for the record, the planning board has been ready and willing uh begging really because we want this to be a successful
business in in town if if we can make this work from a a parking variance thing. So for the public's anyone public on this, you know, I know there's been lots of discussion out there of that the planning board's been canceling meetings, not seeing them, township committee trying not to give them
seating, whatever. so far from the truth. Everyone's united to try to help businesses, assuming we can make them work within the confines of the land use laws. So, uh um councelor, Mrs. Wolf, uh if you want to give a quick statement. You heard what um Mr. Wish, Mr. Disco
had to say about the site. So, if you could just give an opening statement, bring on your witness, the uh the owner of the site. She could talk a little bit about, you know, that she's been operating for the past six weeks, how it's been with parking and how many seats she needs and her hours. And I think that's pretty much what the board
would want to hear. Excellent. Yes, I think Mr. Disco provided a great overview and it basically summarizes all I was going to say, so he stole my thunder a little bit, but it is operated by Johanni Gene Louise. I think she's present. I'm not sure if she's in the meeting yet, but hopefully we can promote her. And
currently at the ice cream shop, there is no seating or benches or anything outside. So, she was just hoping that she could get eight seats to accommodate her existing patron. She's not looking to expand, per se. She's just looking to accommodate the existing people that already come. And as you said, the hours
are very complimentary. Most of the other operations, for example, the Springfield Cuts for Kids, they close by 6. Hammer Dental Associates closes by 6. I couldn't find hours for Daniela Hoffer Interiors, but I'm guessing it's an office and they probably close at a
reasonable time. And Miss uh Gene Lou's busiest hour is between 6:00 and 9. So, as you already addressed it, it sounds like the parking can work. It is synergistic and this would be a good use that would fit in with the other uses in the neighborhood. Is she available? Love her to be on for
a few minutes and um uh just tell us a little bit about the business and then we can open up to the board for some questions and concerns. Miss, she should be on. I just I can't see the list of participants to see if she is she able to raise her hand in the Zoom.
Oh, I think she's iPhone. Gotcha. Okay, let's Johani, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Hi, guys. How are you today? There she is. Perfect. How are you? I'm great. How are you guys? What's the flavor of the day? That's what we want to know.
Um, I'd probably say Nutella. Nutella is definitely the flavor of the day today. All right. Well, I don't like Nutella, so sorry about that. It's all good. So, uh, if you can raise your right hand and our attorney can swear you in and then if you a few questions, we can move forward. Good evening.
Do you do you swear or affirm that that the testimony you're about to give is the whole truth? Is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Okay. Thank you. And Joanie, could you tell us when you opened? Um, we opened up on July 4th of this
year. We've been open for about five weeks now. Okay. Okay. And have you had any parking issues? Has anybody complained to you about parking? None at all. Okay. And what is your peak hour of operation? Um, I would say between 6 and 900 p.m.
daily. Uh, all the businesses that are in my immediate surroundings are closed during that time. Okay. And how many employees do you have? We have six employees that are working at the Scoop of Joe location right now. Um, five out of the six are all high
school students that do not drive. Understood. Excellent. So, they are not parking on the site. Correct. And what about the other employee, the sixth one? Um, the sixth one is a young lady that'll come between my shopping union and scoop of Joe. Um, just somebody
that's a little bit more seasoned. If I need help, like a little bit more manpower on the busy days, like the weekends, like on a Sunday, I'll call her in to help. But she's the only one that is there that drives. Understood. And when she comes on the weekends, none of the other businesses
are open or have limited hours. Correct. Correct. Uh the parking lot's empty. I think the only business that's open for half of the day is the hair salon. Okay. And do you require any loading zones? No, I actually get everything shipped to our Union location. Um I batch all my
ice cream in Union. We just transport everything to um Springfield for now. And I it'll probably remain that way. I have this space in my other location. Okay. And just to go through the conditional use standards, do you have an exhaust or do you need an exhaust?
No. Okay. To both. Because you don't do any cooking. Correct. Correct. We do no cooking and we don't make any of the ice cream on site in Springfield. Everything is made in Union. Okay. And the second condition is the off streetet parking which we're working on discussing. And then um do you have a
grease trap? Yes. Excellent. And are you proposing to do any kind of liquor sales? No. Okay. And are you having any kind of live entertainment? No. Okay. So, we meet the conditional use standards but for the potential parking
variance, but there is historical data to support that that parking variance could be granted. So, Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure if you had any other further questions from this. No, no, no. Um, we'll open up to the board for uh some concern some questions or concerns. I think uh the one thing
I'll bring up um the one of the conditions that I believe will be of approval will be there's some garbage on the side of the of the building within you know they can work with the township within 30 45 days to get that cleaned up. I know they're they're working towards potentially building park there. That's what the uh rumor is on the
street. Um so if that does happen some of that will work through but that that they would need to get rid of the garbage within 30 to call it 30 days. And Johan, are you okay with that? Can you work with the landlord? Absolutely. Uh none of that garbage is mine, by the way. Uh I bring all the garbage um into
the uh the dumpster and it's picked up I want to say every couple of days. I think what's there is just some cardboard. Yeah, there's some I'm sure they can get rid of it. There's no You know what? It was a great place for it when there was a lot of trees because no one saw it. Now that there's potentially something going to be there, then everyone can see
it. So I think within 30 days, still put still, you know, work towards getting your tables if the board approves it. that a condition that the owner will have to do it. If the owner doesn't do it, then the zoning officer will will work with them on it. We'll work on that. Thank you. Uh, okay. Let me see if No, let me open
up to the board with any questions. Um, Miss Kessle, no questions, Mr. Wishna. Uh, just confirming this is all indoor seating, right? We're not talking about outdoor seating. Indoor. Indoor. Correct. Indoor. Not What was the number? Eight seats.
Just eight. Yes. Okay. because there's not probably room for more than that. Um, okay, that's it. No other questions from me. Richard, no questions. Uh, Mr. Barnett. So, this is for a parking variance.
Correct. Yes. So, I have not heard what the what the parking requirement is and what's currently the current conditions. Disco, Mr. Disco, do you want to bring up the current you want to address that? It's in the letter. It's in the in the letter that he put together.
All right. Well, we should put that in your testimony, I guess. Go ahead. Yeah, there there are 16 parking spaces on site for the four the multi-tenant building, which has four small tenant spaces. The retail uh parking standard is one per 200 square ft, which is what
they're under right now, and works with the other retailoff uses. uh based upon the eight parking spaces divided by 2.5 seats per space, you need 3.2 seats. So, it's very comparable to the retail standard. If you take the other uh
restaurant standard, which is area open to the public, which is one per 60 square feet, you get 5.3 spaces. So, there's somewhere between 3.2 and 5.3. You go from 3.75 for retail use to 5.3
for restaurant use. We're showing historically that the 17 parking spaces is sufficient. Technically, if you added up all the component for tenants that are there, you would need 19 parking spaces. So, this is what would call a
paper variance if it's a variance. But the parking is shown to work from a a practical standpoint, a historical standpoint. and the observations that uh before and after opening of Scoop of Joe, there's no nowhere near the where
we've reached 17 cars in that parking lot. The most observed was 10 so far. And this is the the the old adage of opposite businesses that work at opposite times to make it work. Like the like the interior decorator, she's going to have by appointment only. You know,
the dentist more of the morning. though I would argue that if people are having so much ice cream, there may be more demand on the dentist, but that may be a different story. Um, so just opposite demand is what's really making it work. I go to that dentist. I park there all all the time.
Um, and I like Nutella, by the way, too. So I don't that's that's another reason the chairman's wrong. Um, so question in terms of variance. Um, because I know in some cases like variance stays with the property. So if if this business is is
no longer there does that vary and stay with with future we so that's a good point we because we're doing opposite demand thing we should say that that the variance runs with this uh business tenant
the tenant and that we main we can take control over the site going forward so that way when uh anyone comes with the co to you know switch uh occupancies let's say the haircut place goes out and someone else goes in, then Mr. Disco will bring it back to the board for consideration. So, good point, Dave, Mr. Barnett. We can add that in there.
Yeah, I think I think we have to do that. Um, so right now there's no, you know, cooking being done. Um, so things like, you know, a hood and everything is isn't necessary. Is there some line like for instance if the applicant
now starts to offer coffee does that does that you know push them over the line to well now there's happening or like where does that happen that that now the numbers change because it's not just ice cream it's coffee and maybe it's some sandwiches in the morning or something
like that you know again maybe made off site but um so I guess there's I have a concern about you know and I've seen this and we've all se seen this on the board that we we agree to something now and then that starts to change over time and as the business changes and winter's
not a great time for for ice cream so maybe maybe coffee and snacks you know happen and then there's a much higher um you know uh there's a much higher parking demand Mr. just go, can you address that for the board?
I think u it's a very valid point. I think what we planned on doing is obviously continue to monitoring the parking to see how it operates, how it functions with the 410 is there. If there's an intensification of use, again, it's either going to be a retail
use or a restaurant use. If it's a significant operational change, hours of uh operation or um longer sitting periods, those are all very valid points. Remember, we're asking for eight seats, though the intensity, as Mr.
Wishna mentioned, not going to be able to get a lot of seating in there. Um it seems like those are shortterm um visitors. uh they're not in there for a meal that's going to last an hour. I
think ice cream's easy to prepare and gives to somebody and I think that that's how I would handle it. Obviously, if if the the use changes, they'd have to apply for a change of tenency and zoning would would look at
that again. And we wouldn't have any objection to there being a condition of approval that provides that we can only sell ice cream or so something that's accessory to ice cream. Correct. Okay. Well, that's all my questions, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Bernett. Mr. Huber, I see
you're very relaxed. You have any questions? Me? No, I have no questions. All right. Maybe they're all I would ask you about Nutella versus chocolate, but it's okay. Committee man Kaiser uh chocolate over Nutella and no, this
seems like a straightforward uh application. Yep. And I've been in there a bunch of times and um I've never encountered a parking thing. Sometimes I'm a cowboy and I'll park in two spots because there's there's plenty of parking back there. So, I'm not necessarily worried about the parking. But let's um let's
open it up. I do see some uh I there's public questions in there, but rather than take the public questions, let's open up to the public. I think it's from uh Miss Martinez and 18 Oakland Avenue, but at this time, let's open them this meeting up to the public. Anyone that wish to speak for about 3 to four minutes, um please come and we can
answer some of your questions. I I see three people from the public on Apoo, if you would uh have them raise their hand and then they can ask questions. Hey there. Has my uh have my Q&A questions disappeared now that I'm a panelist or do I have to restate them? Yeah, I would restate them just so it's it's on the record. Um if you could
state your I see your in the name your name in Oakland Avenue. You just say it for the record so that way the attorney has a record of it. Alexa Martinez 18 Oakland A. So my first question is if the parking variance relief is granted, how does the town plan to address overflow in front of residential areas?
So I'll start with that and then Mr. just take it. Um, so at now there's no huge demand for parking in that site. Could it spill over into um, you know, whether it's Oakland or um, you know, maybe even maybe even across the street
at the at the at the uh, the gas station or so forth. Quite possible. I know that um the township committee regulates the time of when people can park on the streets and I don't I think yours is a just like my street is open where anyone can park other than 2 to 6 p.m. So
correct which would be irrelevant to the hours of operation. So just food for thought here. I've had five cars parked in front of my house all day of which I still have a vehicle parked in front of my driveway blocking my driveway about by about six inches and that's been here all day. So that's first and foremost.
So to say that there's no overflow is a little bit um of a miss. I don't know if the analysis was uh as thorough as we want it to be. So my second question, so that said, there's many safety concerns, vehicle abandonment, which I'm living in real time, and driveway
obstruction that surround residential lots bordering commercial. There's also already overflow from the surrounding businesses. So my question number one, it's a two-parter. One, a is does the town have any plan to reszone the surrounding street parking, i.e. e align spaces, time limit parking to alleviate
the concerns I just mentioned. And the second part 1B is how many of the surrounding businesses in this intersection have been granted parking variance relief because we do see this overflow all the time. So I know that I've been on this board for almost two decades. There's no other
parking variances relief on that area. I mean there's that huge parking lot that used to be for the post offices and now it's those businesses there that are there. There's no parking variances on those sites. As far as, and I hate to say this because I I I'm going through something right now where I where someone tells me it's not me and go to
someone else. The planning board does not regulate the parking on on residential streets or commercials. So, this is a new unique and uncharted territory with the with the development surge that's going on in the suburbs of New Jersey. How do you plan to address
the zoning around parking that around residential lots that surround commercial businesses? It unfortunately it's it's it's the township committee that regulates. They have what they work with the police on title 39. The planning board only can request title 39, you know, which is where the police can ticket and do everything. We don't
have it. We can't impose hours on the streets uh for residents because then it actually poses a lot of problems where then if we say you can't park here, we have to there's permit parking. Who has the permit? People getting tickets. So, it's something that the township committee will have to look at if this becomes an issue. And if someone's
blocking your driveway, I would just contact the police and they should be ticketing. I I have and it's a matter of um no one wants to be the jerk that writes a ticket for six inches blocking a driveway because I wouldn't want to be that jerk. But all things considered, and I understand I I can gather that you would know what I mean by that. It's
been documented. So, um that's that was question number three. So, my last question for you guys is a little bit unrelated. Parking barricades. I would respectfully ask that the town subsidize concrete barricades at the top of each space that face my lot because there has
been have been many instances instances right Kaiser can attest to that because he's resided at 18 Oakland a for the majority of his life where cars actually physically drive into the fence I have pictures where it's compromised my property boundary so I would hope that
the town can help him if he cannot install those but that should be mandated from a safety concern perspective with the increased topic. So, Mr. Disco, what have you seen? Um, what are your thoughts as our engineer? What is your advice to the board and thoughts on this? Well, I mean, there was a lot there.
I'll try to address most of those. Um, as far as people parking on the street, obviously, if it's permitted to park on the street, people can park on the street. I thought I heard there that they've been there all day. I' I'd find a hard time believing that somebody who
just went in for a scuba ice cream parked there all day. So it may be else on this. So my point being that's why they're there all day. This is a problem, right? If there's no regulation with hours of operation or or street parking permit time limits. If
you expect increased commercial traffic in residential areas, this needs to be addressed. It's been here since since prior to 10:00 a.m. today. I have no idea whose vehicle this is. It could be a bomb for all, right? Yeah. Okay. And it then it's a a rental to top
it off. So, uh that that seems to be a police matter. That's a Maryland plate. It looks like I don't know what to offer on that. I can I can only offer what we provided here which is two tables of parking data. The historical parking
data from 1995 through 2025 based upon Google aerial about how that site has operated over the last 30 years. A exactly a 30-year hang on I the 30-year difference is not going to be that data is not relevant to today's circumstances between population
increase and the amount of commercial business that's increased in this area. So I really didn't get a chance to finish though. So then we also had the parking data nine observations since um May
um at various times various days. There's 17 parking spaces in the lot. And again my observations I can only give you the facts as I see them. The most we've recorded is 10 cars in the lot. That was on a Wednesday at 2:25.
Another Wednesday at 10:30 in the morning, we had nine. A Monday at 12:05, we had eight. So, so far in the since April, excuse me, May when we started looking at the lot, there's been parking available. I can't tell any of the board
members if people are visiting the ice cream store or any of the other users there. That's been a site that has not changed externally uh in terms of a a site plan before this board in probably decades. I I can't
You have about 20 20 small businesses in this immediate thousand square foot space. There will be overflow if we start granting parking relief variances and Mr. Chairman certain gray area. Mr. Chairman, this this is really does not pertain to this application.
It most certainly does. It most certainly does. If if the resident has this issue, which I see a car out there, that's certainly not our our issue. There is a different board that that this can be taken to. We, Miss uh Martinez, have absolutely no authority
over parking and over what you were asking us for. And I would I would encourage you to go to the township committee uh and and speak with them. All we can do is look at this particular property and we can make suggestions as
to keep this particular property safe and in compliance with our land use ordinances. Okay. So, let's focus on the parking barricades then. And you were over and you were over the five minute um uh time that we allow for residents to to ask questions. So, I
would I would politely ask you to yield at this point. I'm going to ask you to address my parking barricade uh question. It's a safety concern as it relates to that lot that we are speaking about. We will. Okay. So, let's let's end this part. The board will will now will take that into consideration. We thank you for pointing that out, Miss Martinez.
Any other members of the public wish to speak on this application? So, I'm reading her question and and I, you know, um it says I'll read it to the board so that way we can just discuss it as our our part with Mr. Disco. Um, I respectfully request the town to
subsidize barricades in the front of the space on the lot of Albert Julio. It is a safety concern where there's several occasions where people have been parking and running through the fence and ending up in I guess her backyard compromising her property with boundaries and her family safety. So,
Mr. Disco, can you um give us an idea? I mean I mean has this been an issue? I mean uh and so forth. I I I can't offer any insight as to whether this is happening or not happening. It's never been brought to my
attention before. I think the property owner would probably be the one who would be most concerned about it if the fence is getting taken down repeatedly. Um obviously there's no site changes proposed. There's no expansion of the footprint of the building. The building's been there, I presume,
decades. It's the same parking pattern that's been there historically. I can't comment whether the the fence has been taken down by cars. It seems to be um certain driver
um problems rather than the uses of the the tenants in there historically. So I I don't know what more I can offer on that. I mean we do we do so there's let's look at the bagel store across the street is you know I mean people park along the residential people in the back. Do we have Ballards there?
I'm not aware of Ballards, but I I I'm not I can't tell you every site along Mountain Avenue whether they have Ballards or not. I think I would My re my hunch is that most of the sites do not have Ballards. I'm I'm thinking
where TD is. I mean, there it's up against the the post office there. I think there's just a fence. I could be wrong. uh where the bagel store is adjacent to the residential property. I don't believe there's a Ballard there. I park at Halo in the back and there's
no Ballard there and that's a residential property. So maybe what we'll do is we will maybe what we can do is um the through the attorney uh and the applicant make sure that they um make them aware of this concern that we had from a neighbor. Uh
so that way there's they can look into seeing what they can do to to potentially uh cure this issue or or or or not or determine if it's an issue because ultimately if someone drives through it, it's going to become on both the the driver and the and the owner. So
yeah, again, there's no site changes proposed. So again, we're just making sure that ingress egress to the site is safe. That's the driveway from uh South Springfield Avenue, and there's no changes proposed for that. Perfect. Okay. Any other members of the public wish to speak on this
application? Seeing none, I'm going to close the matter to the public and remand it back to the board. I just want to pull the board. U the only condition that I uh brought up was cleaning the the trash or garbage or whatever it is on the long side of the property. Um that uh within 30 days any uh let me pull the board.
Mr. Wishna, anything else? Nope. Nothing else. Mrs. Kessle? Nope. I don't think Mr. Huber had anything. Mr. Huber. No, I have nothing. Okay, Mr. Cedarquist. No, I have nothing.
Mr. Barnett, u just reminding the other conditions was that the variance goes with the with the tenant. Um and they agreed to only having ice cream only. Uh ice cream, water, what the right right. So I think those are three I think those are those are three conditions, right?
Yeah. And that then and that the site is comes back to us for any approval with Sure. Right. with anything uh committ and that Nutella is popular. Sure. I I think that that'll lose uh in there
as a historic resident of 18 Oakland. It is my uh I think I have the expertise and the historic knowledge to say that I've never witnessed a car go from that property onto 18 Oakland Avenue. So, um,
that would be my testimony to that. Uh, as I think I was asked that question during public comment. Yep. Um, uh, no, no, no further things. I think thank you for coming to Springfield. And, uh, another business hopeful
success. Okay. I, and I have no questions. The only thing I'll say is that if the board votes to approve seating, it's 7:03. I'm sure by 7:05 there'll be eight seats putting up there so people can sit down, enjoy ice cream. Um, so seeing none, I'd like to entertain a motion to approve
this application with the three conditions, the the garbage being removed, the variance runs with the tenant. We take we keep jurisdiction over the site and the ice cream and that ice cream that ice cream like food is sold like water, you know,
things like that. And if there's any any questions or concerns, the board will direct it to the TRC to make the jurisdiction. So the the board so this way it doesn't come potentially have to come back to us. They end up selling, you know, flavored water versus whatever that the TRC will keep the jurisdiction
of of of to make sure if there's some sort of issue that comes up, we just expand it to beverages beverages. Okay. Um if I may, Mr. chairman, I believe uh the language that was used uh was ice cream or accessories to ice cream. I'm
not sure if that still covers the the intent behind it and if if if you guys are immenable to that. I think that's fine. I think ultimately the board would defer to the TRC. Okay. Determine if I I don't know, let's say that they uh you know have flavored
water or or they end up diet soda or something. I don't know who drinks soda with ice cream, but if that happens the same along they're not going to be putting pizza there complimenting ice cream, I think is what the what the what thing is. So So with that, can I have a motion to approve the can I have a
motion to approve the application as outlined? So moved. So moved. Oh, she got it. Okay. Uh who second it? Second. Uh can I have a roll call, please?
Uh, Vice Chair Kessle, yes. Mayor Heber, yes. Minman Kaiser, yes. Mr. Barnett, yes. Mr. Cedarquist, yes. Mr. Wishna, yes. And Chairman Tiger,
yes. With the note that Intel is not good for some people. Coconut ice cream is okay. Well, great. Thank you. Good luck and and um and I hope you guys do really well in Springfield. Thank you. I really appreciate it everybody. No problem.
Thank you. Before the public that wish to speak on any new business before this board. Any business before this board? Seeing none, I'm going to close this matter of the public and remain it back to the board. Uh Miss Law, I believe our next meeting is September 8th. Is that correct? That's correct.
Okay. So, as of now, our meeting is September 8th. Uh it should stay that way, but if it changes, we'll let everyone know. But it is an inerson meeting at town hall September 8th at 6:30 in in the town hall uh courtroom. Uh can I have a motion to adjurnn? So moved.
Any any seconded? Second. All in favor? I I All right. Have everyone have a good night. Thank you guys for joining. Enjoy the rest of everyone. Thank you everyone. Enjoy the rest of your summer. Bye. You too. Thanks. Bye.