All right, welcome to our council meeting. In the interest of time and efficiency and ensuring that everyone who wishes to address the council is given the opportunity to do so, the following shall apply to all comments made by the public. Each speaker shall be allotted three minutes to address the council unless such time is extended by
the mayor or questions from council. Group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments. Every effort shall be made to avoid interrupting speakers. Thank you for participating in your city government. I now call this meeting to order.
And first I'd like to welcome up one second. We have Pastor Jay McCra from Crossroads Baptist Church for the invocation. And please keep the family of Patrice Campbell and uh Colombian Senator Miguel
Urbe. Uh Miguel, he passed away a few days ago from gunshot wound to the head running for president of Columbia. He was a friend of the military museum and Patrice was on our um our historic preservation board for a number of years here. So she was a family here to the city of St. Cloud. So
please join me in a word of prayer. Father God, we count it a privilege to be here tonight to be able to lift you up before this city council. Father, to be able to ask for your wisdom and your guidance and everything that's done. We pray, Father, that everything that's done here will be done rightly, be done
in order. We pray, Father, for those who have who have uh died, those that that we uh that were mourning today, Father. We just pray that you'd be with the the loved ones of those families, Father, to hold them close. Help them to to see your spirit as they go through this time, Father. Father, it's never a good
time when somebody's taken from us, but Father, we know that you are on the throne and that you are in control. Father, we pray for wisdom and peace for each person that's here tonight. Let every let every person be uh do everything in order and do it rightly tonight. Father, help them to to be respectful of each other and of
differing opinions. And Father, we just commit this entire meeting into your hands. For it's in Jesus name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. And uh please remain standing for a moment of silence for former council member Tom Griffin. He was on the city council here from 2008 to 2011 and he
was executive director for many years for the transition house and really built that organization from the ground up to many states throughout the country. Amazing guy. Helped many people. All right. Thank you'all. And please remain standing for the pledge of >> allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy and justice for all. Ken said he was on top of that. >> All right. And will the clerk please do the roll call?
>> Mayor Robertson >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert >> here. Council member Paul >> here. >> Council member Irvin >> here. >> Council member Fletcher >> here. All right. Thank you. And city manager, do we have any items
to add to the agenda? >> Thank you. Yes, we need to make a few changes to the agenda this evening. Um, I'd like to request that we remove C consent item number one and also council action number one. Remove them from the
agenda. And then for consent item number three, we did have a scribner's error and I just would like to clarify it now. Under the cost section, we accidentally wrote the wrong street name. Um uh consent item number
three, resolution 2025-118R. Um this mobility fee agreement will be applied to Sywood Boulevard and Mildred Bass. Thank you. Sorry, I had a copy from November's
meeting in here somehow. Um, so usually they have that corrected on their city manager. That was remove number one for the consent >> removing consent item number one and removing council action number one. >> Thank you. >> And then the other was the correction to
consent number three. I can repeat it again if you would like. Um so consent number three was um the under the cost section it mistakenly said three wrong roads. >> I remember that one. >> Yes. Silent Boulevard and Milild Bass should be the correct. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. >> All right. First off we have some presentation and first we have the presentation for employee of the month by Mama Bachelor. Bachelder. Good evening. I'm Miriam Abbachelder.
I'm the communications director and it is my honor and privilege tonight to recognize JB Miller as our employee of the month. Um, often if you watch our meetings or attend our meetings, you'll see Jay sneaking in and out to turn the podium around and fix microphones and so
forth. Um, Jay's been with the city a long time. I think what Jay, we're at 20 years now. Um, And I have to tell you this story about Jay. He came to me a little over a year ago, probably a year and a half ago, and he said, "I have this idea. I want to
start a city podcast." And I said, "All right, Jay, I know what podcasts are. Full disclosure, I've never listened to one. Talk me into this. Like, tell me why we need to do it." And Jay being Jay was fully prepared. He came in at me with all the the data and the
demographics and how are we going to do this and what's it going to cost and everything. And long story short, it was going to cost us less than $1,000, I think, for the equipment that we needed. Jay has the expertise and the skill to set up all the recording and do all the post-prouction mixing on it and so
forth. So, I went a couple of weeks after that to a training. And at that training, what are they talking about? Cities doing podcasts. and they're like, "You got to do this. You you're missing a whole demographic if you're missing this." Great opportunity for people to be able to hear about what's going on in
the city if they're on their commute or doing housework or whatever. So, um, I came back and I'm like, "Okay, okay, fine, Jay. You're right. Let's do it. Make the thing happen." So, we launched our first podcast last fall in October and less than a year in, um, Cloudcast,
as we call it, um, is doing very well. We've had more than 500 downloads and we've already won and this I give Jay full credit for this. We've won two statewide awards for our podcast. Um, one from the Florida Municipal Communicators Association and one from the economic Florida Economic
Development Council. So, we cover a broad range of things, everything from code enforcement to economic development programs and what I call the fun stuff. So, when we're having our trail of terror in the fall, so we'll we'll bring people in. We've had community partners come in and talk about things like ship
grants that are available to our residents. So, just a whole smorges board of topics and and we have a good time. It's hosted by our entire communications team and um Jay I I like to say we got to get him a producer name because he's kind of the funny sidekick
on the show and uh he he likes to ask people the hard-hitting questions like what their favorite snacks are and things. But so we try to keep it light-hearted yet informative and hopefully if you've heard it, you're enjoying it. if you haven't, you can look at it on you can listen to it on our YouTube channel or download it
anywhere that you get your podcast. But for his um initiative at coming and pitching this and and not letting it go and also just doing a great job um making it a high quality top um top content broadcast. Jay is our employee
of the month. Would you like to give a speech? >> So, um, Stacy set the timer. No, I'm just kidding. I don't really have anything to say. Um, I want to say thanks for the recognition and, um, it's more about the recognition of podcasting
as a communications medium and marketing tool. So, with that being said, hit me up if you want to start a podcast. I can help you out. All right, Jay, you don't you know how I feel about you. I I tell him all the time he's the glue that keeps this place together. And um I got to tell you, if
anybody is more as qualified as any of us up here to serve on council, it would be Jay because he has witnessed the good, the bad, the ugly. They have a Eagle's Nest seat up there to oversee everything. So, >> I'm considering running after uh >> Oh,
>> I'll warm the seat up for you. All right. Next up, we have a we got some very special guests in here. First, I'd like to recognize in the far back before we get going, we have former council member Lynette Matheni back there. Just want to say hi. I haven't seen you in council since I've been on here. So, um, but next up, we have a
presentation of state funding to the city by State Senator Arrington and State Representative Paula Stark. State Senator Kristen Arrington and Senator Paula Stark or Representative Paula Stark. >> Well, thank you very much for allowing us to be here this evening. Um, Senator
Arrington and myself are very proud to be here to be able to express to you all the um, fund that we had trying to get our appropriations across the line this year. And so with that, we had three different ones that we managed to get in the budget, both of us. And so because
she's our Senate sponsor, um, our legislator sponsor. So we did manage to get two all the way across the finish line. So we wanted to share those with you tonight. We also got one across our finish line, but we didn't get it across the governor's. So, we just wanted to
make sure to let you know that collectively we managed to bring home $470,000, two projects, our storm water project and the St. Cloud Fireboat Rescue. Um, so those were the things that is coming to us. Unfortunately, Hopkins Park,
which is near and dear to our hearts. we thought that was really going to make it across is the one that got vetoed, but we're a little determined that that's a passion and that we would like to move that forward again for you soon. And so I will let Senator Arrington have some words.
>> Yes. Just wanted to thank you all for bringing forth such thoughtful projects. When you came to the delegation meeting, you did come with three projects and as Rep. Stark said, we did get them across the finish line. Want to thank our teams that are here, also your lobbyist, Chris Cardy, with Gray Robinson. We all work together to do that. Um looking forward
to seeing you all at the delegation meeting which is the end of October and bringing forth some projects and looking forward to having some success for the next session. Um budget was the delay in session. Instead of it being 60 days it was about 104 or 105 days. So with 600
$600 million worth of vetos um you know we are disappointed with that one but we are really excited that we did get those those two across the finish line. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. We appreciate both of all of your hard work. team. Um, we all went up there, had a great time. I thank you. I know you all love
spending time in Tallahassee. You love the extended vacations. Um, let's give them a round of applause for getting us that funding. That's those are great projects. We have a check presentation if you guys would like to join us down here. And we wanted to double check the delegation
meeting is actually October 27th. Put it on your calendar so you can prepare for it. I'm going to try to like the capital building. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. All right. And next up, the guy that got
paid to make it happen, we have a presentation by city lobbyist Chris Cardy. All right, good timing on all this, right? Uh, good evening everyone. Chris Cardy with Gray Robinson. I also have with me Kylie and Zuo somewhere there.
Okay, thank you. Lost my train of thought here or vision. Um, as you just heard, and so I'll be brief through a lot of my stuff because I don't want to uh be too duplicative. It was a great session. Um, especially when it comes to appropriations. There's some local government stuff we'll get into and we
can cover, but and I'll get to it in slide, but we've got an amazing delegation. The two you uh just heard from and then of course, Representative Booth um work very hard on behalf of the city um not just on appropriations, but on policy issues as well. anytime something came up, uh, working with
Veronica and Dan and the rest of your team, we've come up with an issue that maybe, you know, we didn't write on immediate thought realize it was going to have an impact, go see them, say, "Hey, you need to know this is going to have some impact. Let's see what we can do." Um, and there's no hesitation. They
jump right into action. We've got great members of this delegation. So, um, thank your constituents, I guess, for making sure they go to Tallahassee because they're doing good work for us. Um, so I'll jump in here. Uh that's us, Chris and Kylie. Um and we spent 105
days in the world of uh Tallahassee this year, as you may have heard. Uh not just 60, but 105. They had to extend. Um we always think it's helpful uh not just for you, but for the folks, uh in the audience here today and anyone watching on TV, it's always good to know who was in the room when you make some of these decisions uh and when we go and
advocate. So, one of the things we like to point out is uh the players in the room. So, we start with the governor. And these are updated, by the way. So, some of these are people who may have not been in the room. Um, but we'll explain. Uh, we all know the person on the top left, um, Governor Ronda Santis.
This this was his seventh, um, session and, uh, second to last, I guess. He'll have his eighth session next year in 2026. Most of session, uh, or most of the last year, he's not had a lieutenant governor. Janette Nunees took the job at FIU, as you all know. Um, not just a couple days ago, he now has lieutenant
governor. Senator J, former Senator Jay Collins is now in that role. We turned this in earlier this week. That's why that slide is not updated. Um, legislative affairs director Mary Cla Hubard. Um, Jason Weda, who's the chief of staff, and then Lita Kelly, director of office and pol policy and budget. These are folks who've been in the
process for a while and and always helps with when you have folks like that that can kind of guide the governor, right? He is a national profile. He's around the state. You need people that can implement your plan and work through. And of course on the cabinet, uh, you have Wilton Simpson who was elected um, in the last cycle. James Oathmeer who
was appointed uh right at the beginning of the year after senator or then AG Ashley Moody was appointed US senator and then Bla1 Golia that's a more recent one CFO's office was mostly vacant through session when Jimmy Petronis announced he was running for Congress um
but once they wrapped up session um not too shortly thereafter Bla1 was appointed uh CFO so now we have a bunch of openings in the Senate which we can of course talk about at the end if you want about next session uh in the here we Florida House. Um, Speaker Perez out
of Miami, Lawrence McCclur, the budget chair. Uh, and then, uh, of other notes, Sam Garrison, the rules chair, but probably most important for this slide, the speaker designate, and he's out of Klay County, Florida. The speakers, uh, going into this next session, the speaker designates tend to have a little more power, and that always makes for
interesting dynamics, but gives you an idea of who's in the room and doing what. And then, of course, Fentress Driscoll out of the Tampa area, uh, who's the minority leader. And then the Senate, you've got Ben Albrittain, uh, president. Uh, technically had two more years after this coming session to serve, but he recently this week
announced he wasn't going to serve those two terms, so he'd resigned early. Uh, Ed Hooper is the budget chair out of Panelis County. Jim Boyd, majority leader out of Manatee, Sarasota County area. Also notable, he is um the next Senate President in line to follow Ben Albrittain. And Jason Broer, president
pro prompor out of Semino County area, parts of Orange County. So he's the closest to us. And then the rules chair, Kathleen Pasadomao, former president. And then Lori Berman, who's the minority leader, who if you followed some of the news, did not start session the minority leader. That was Jason Pizo out of South
Florida area. Um I want to say and I'll look to Kylie to help me here. On the the day 50ish of the regular session, he announced on the Senate floor that he'd kind of had enough with all the partisan politics and he was filing to be independent. Shortly thereafter, he he went on all the news programs and said he was also probably going to run for
governor. So, it's always fun. This was a very interesting session. Uh, the members quickly uh nominated and approved Lori Burman to be their leader uh for the rest of session and then of course going into this next session. Uh, and then future leaders. Some of these you know, but we'll go through
them. Sam Garrison I just said Jennifer Kennedy from the um Lakeland area. She's historic for 2028 2030. She'll serve as a speaker. Uh, she's historic for two reasons. Pulk County, Lake County, Lakeland has never actually had a presiding officer despite a lot of budget chairs and a lot of influential
people from that region. Um, and the House has never had a female speaker. So when she takes over, takes the gavl in about two and a half years, uh, that that will be that. And then Mike Rodondo, he was just at the end of June approved by his freshman class to be the speaker for the 2030 2032 years. Uh, and
he's out of South Florida. He had what they call sometimes the red shirt year. He was through a special election was able to serve for a session beforehand going in. So many folks kind of knew he was kind of in that leadership post because he had proven to be very effective in that what they call red shirt freshman year. And now he's um in
the first of his actual eight years. And all of this of course is because of term limits back in the 90s when they put term limits in place. Eight is enough. Eight in the House, eight in the Senate, sometimes 10 based on redistricting, which means these folks know exactly who's going to be around for the next eight years and only eight years, especially in the House. So they kind of
elect their leaders way early in the process than uh would normally be in other other states across our country. And of course Jim Boyd I mentioned earlier Senate President Jay Trumble will follow him. He's out of the panhandle region. And Tom Leak uh most expect will be the president kind of
lining up with Microondo. He's out of the Valuchia County uh St. John's County area. Then here's our delegation. I already gave them the shout out, but I'll do it again. They're wonderful human beings, great Americans, and do great work on behalf of the city. So when you see them around town, please thank them. Um they
really do. That's not I'm not not just saying that because they may or may not still be in the room behind me. They are actually great people. Um and we Kylie and I and the rest of the team really enjoy working with them. All right, so little bit on this session, special sessions and building tensions. This session's hard to talk about without talking about sort of that that bubble
that that occurred before session. And then um you know go back in time, President Trump, not quite even inaugurated, the governor said he wanted to have a special session and he wanted you see those bullets legal immigration, condo law reform, hurricane relief, and
election petition initiative reform. Um that very day when he announced uh and and the saying in the process is you don't announce a special session unless it's all been negotiated. I I assure you none of this apparently was negotiated. Both the House uh speaker and the Senate
President released a joint memo uh that my words politely just said no thank you. You can see some of the words they used up there unnecessary premature um harsh words when you think about this process where everyone kind of kid gloves in their their their uh salvos and threw a memo uh basically calling
out the governor saying he shouldn't have shouldn't have called it. So fast forward they show up to the special session because the governor can call that. They immediately gave in and gave out. They then gabbled into special session um two or B as they call it as they log it where the House and Senate
passed a couple of bills related to im immigration. The governor uh promptly said he would veto it. He did and they ultimately had special session C, the third special session where they were able to make a couple tweaks on their original bill, get it to the finish line and here we are. But that was a very
early sign or warning depending on how you look at it that this was not going to be like other sessions, right? uh the governor was not necessarily as um dominating as far as a figure as he might have been previously and the House and Senate showed that they weren't going to, you know, just do whatever he
asks, which always makes for interesting politics. That's how it's supposed to work, right? We all learn about checks and balances and history and government, but now they were employing some of those. So, that kind of leads into the session. Here's the bills that were filed. Uh and these are all for y'all obviously and anyone around. They're available. So, if you need them, just
request them. So, I'll go through these quickly. Um, interesting tidbit on that. You can see three bills allowed to become law without signature. One of those was the uh non-compete law that now gets rid of those provisions. This is the first time this governor has allowed a bill to become law without a signature. Previous he's either signed
or vetoed. So, that's kind of a a new wrinkle this session. Um, here's the appropriations that were filed on both chambers. You can see about the same. Um, and then priority issues, the things they do agree upon. And sorry about some of this formatting. Uh we wanted to make sure it was compliant with um the standards y'all have for presentations
and some of it got a little off. Um sustainable budget preession both the governor, the speaker and the president were at least aligned on one thing is that they wanted to cut back on some of Florida's spending. Um not to worry and you all see it the the revenue projections are still very uh
very uh good and aggressive and showing an upward line. But there was a fear that there some of the oncoming expenses in outward years right as our population grows and expenses whether it's inflation or tariff concerns they wanted to be um a little careful with that. So
they were going to cut back on the budget. Uh they were also going to do a tax package. You could see that se second bullet. Uh and every session so you always have a budget which our members are required to do. You always see a tax package. They're not required to but every session I've been a part of they've had a tax package. And then they
always have had measures that help advance law enforcement. So that no surprise there. We can all agree on those. And there was plenty of bills in and around that topic, although not always agreement on on within the topic. Governor's priorities, property tax relief. We've heard a lot of that. You're going to hear a lot more of that
the next uh about 12 to 14 months leading up to November's ballot. Um he didn't get what he ultimately wanted, which was uh a property thousand rebate to homestead property owners. And that was again some of the back and forth between him and mostly the House, somewhat the Senate on this, but the
speaker and him were not getting along on some of these priorities. Uh state engagement in combating illegal immigration. He's led with that before Trump was inaugurated and sworn in. Since then, and you're seeing it even today with the press headlines, right, in the last couple weeks, we've had Alligator Alcatraz down in South Florida, and I think they called it
Deportation Depot, which is the new one that they debuted today. Um he's going to continue to lead on this um I believe until he's out of office uh in Florida sometime January of 2027. All right. Continuing to lead. The other things he did is he he takes a lot of um
victory laps for what he's done the first six years and reminds folks Florida should be lead. That was part of his inauguration or state of the state address is that he wants the state to continue to lead. And then frankly he's in his last two sessions when he's entering this one cementing and defending his legacy. He's proud of what he's accomplished and he wants to make
sure that for the things he's done there's his double down on that and so when he finally does turn out that there's something he can defend and and and remind people of what he's done. I don't know maybe in case he wants to run for an office later. Um Ben Albritten Royal Renaissance was his number one priority. It was the first bill passed
out of the Senate. It ultimately didn't make it to the finish line. It will be back next year. That was some of the House and Senate politics of negotiation. What it does is what it sounds like. his his thought was uh he wanted to inject uh cash and resources and and deal with regulations into our
rural area of the state and his words uh to make sure that they have the same opportunities that our urban areas have. I know here in St. cloud oyola county we kind of teeter between both right between urban and rural and depend different parts of the county and there would have been some opportunities should this bill have passed uh the h
the legislature I think it'll be back unfortunately for this bill it got caught up in a lot of the what we see all the time between the house and senate negotiating priorities right towards the end of session and that extended session he and the speaker weren't quite aligned on all their properties and this is one of those
things that fell by the wayside he's committed to Florida citrus being a farmer himself um with a background o year-over-year uh he was able to get into the budget an increase of about 90 million in um citrus canker and greening research that will be done um through uh the Florida Citrus Council and and
University of Florida and a few other areas that are participating in that um research and then empowering members, right? Uh if you follow politics, you know that as the governor led up to his presidential run and then the session after, he kind of got whatever he wanted out of the legislature, right? Um and
they and part of that was because they believed in the mission and part of that's because they wanted to help support his run for president. And so there was a lot of give uh and and what President Albert in his opening speech and since then kind of wanted to remind him is that there can also be some take and he's not going to put his thumb on the scale with his members and he's
going to let empower them to do what they want. Um, and so you saw a lot of that which led to some of the chaos. And that's not a criticism, but just if you got 40 independent senators uh that aren't going to necessarily be told how to vote, um, you can lead to some chaotic votes on the floor, right? We had members bills die in committee,
which never happens, uh, at least not in my professional history. A couple of those died in committee this year. Um, and so that was sort of a sign of, hey, people are going to vote how they want to vote. Uh, which is kind of refreshing. Uh, Daniel Perez, House Speaker, his priorities, uh, sales tax reduction. you you this definitely you
heard of especially uh if you're in government he wanted to take the state sales tax from 6% to 5.25%. He ultimately did not get that to the finish line and there was the floated tax package that ultimately was or the first version that was negotiated it was going to go to 5.75. Ultimately the
governor signal that he would vetoed it. It would either be property tax or nothing. And so as a result the speaker backed off of that. He wanted to focus more on spending cuts. And we'll talk about the tax package later but he he didn't get that. he did get his spending cuts and he wanted to repeal some of the tort reform um under speaker Rener and
President Pasadomo those two years there was quite a bit of tort reform that was done uh reigning in uh lawsuits and I wouldn't I wouldn't call the speaker a trial bar friendly if you will uh you know but definitely a lot more open-minded to trial bar issues and tort reform issues than maybe the previous
presiding officer so and he led with that and saying that he wanted to um I think his state his inauguration speech when he was sworn sworn in said, "We're not going to let insurance companies write our insurance laws." Right? And so that was sort of a signal that it wasn't going to be how it was the previous two years. Those bills didn't make it to the
finish line, but I do expect you'll see um some of those bills in the 2026 session. All right, so the budget, um we knew they wanted to cut it. That is, uh meant to be a bit of a joke, but it took a minute for them to load that budget, but they ultimately did. Um thanks,
Kylie. I think that's the only person I could hear laugh out there. Um, and so here's what it looks like. 115.1 billion. Um, no surprise in a state with our size, 41% went to healthcare. Um, and then K12, uh, a lot of it goes there. And then of course higher education. Um, transportation, economic
development, the road fund, fully funded, which is good news for our area of the state where we have a lot of growth. Um, a and natural resources, that's a part of the budget that continues to grow as they've tied a lot of those monies to the gambling revenue that the state gets from the compact, which continues to grow. Um and then criminal criminal and criminal justice
about level. This budget number before it got to the governor's veto was already low. Uh but after the governor's vetos and we'll we'll show that um it was lower than the previous year. You heard it from our our esteemed members earlier. These are the projects that we had and and sadly Hopkins Park was vetoed. But as I told the mayor and
Veronica, we should definitely consider bringing it back. It was a great project and one we should definitely consider working on next session as well as others that can help benefit your community. Um, budget highlights. Some of these you already heard, but FEFP per student
spending is up 1.59%. Um, and then they eliminated a bunch of vacant state jobs. That's an easy way to cut the budget, right? If the jobs haven't been filled in a while, they just eliminate the job, fully fund the work plan. Saddowski trust fund. This thing was on ice for a little bit. Um, how they funded that with dock stamps
and other things, but they ultimately landed in a good place if you're a fan of affordable housing and support from the state. Evergrades, Everglades restoration, that was another um funding high as they continue to priority a lot of our water um infrastructure and keeping the green parts of Florida
green, right? Um big ticket items, you see that visit Florida, which obviously has impact to our region, that was funded again at 80 million. The rural family lands protection program, 250 million. Many property owners here in Oyola County and other parts of our region have taken advantage of that. Um
budget stabilization fund. Um the governor vetoed that parts of this that were funded in that, but there will be a constitutional amendment that will increase the required amount to go in the budget stabilization fund um on the 26th ballot. A note about that because
they cut back on the budget and because they put funding into the budget stabilization fund despite some of the ones that the governor vetoed. Um we are tens of billions, right? I think it's around 12 billion I last saw in reserves of unallocated or unappropriated
dollars that are expected. To put that in in in kind of quantifiable terms, that's two hurricanes and another COVID that the state could withstand should we have to. So, we're in a very robust state. That's why I said the revenues aren't our problem. Um there's just a forecasted potential expenditures
coming. So, a good job on that from that perspective on the state. Paid down some debt. 580 million helps our bond ratings. Uh, and then 50 million to Hometown Heroes down payment assistance program. All right. Tax package. Uh, one I'm sure everyone's heard of, and it was
most of that 2.04 billion repeal of the business rent tax. As you all know, Florida is the only state in the 50. Um, it was us in Manhattan that charged um a lease tax. If you were renting um something for your b your business, you will no longer come October 1. Uh, and then back to school sales tax holidays.
Now, that's going to be permanent month-long um every August. take advantage while we're here, right? Aviation fuel tax. Um, tourist development tax. There was, uh, an aside, there was a very behindthe-scenes conversation about this topic about changing some of the the ways it's
implemented, which would have absolutely had an impact here in Orange and Ocola County. Um, ultimately that didn't make it to the finish line, but I point that out is that conversation is going to continue in future sessions. Um, and you know, I'm biased because I know it benefits our city and obviously our
county and our region, but the tourism industry here is a golden goose. And so, everyone's always a little nervous about um what is taken away or not. Should I pause or just go off memory um on the slides? >> I didn't touch anything. There we go. Um
I mentioned tourism. I got, you know, sorry. Um, and then sales tax holiday for hunting and fishing supplies. Um, permanent sales tax for disaster prep and outdoor safety items. I've heard the tax package best described every year as a Christmas tree, and they put a bunch of ornaments on it, right? And they try
to see how many they can keep on before they um get to the finish line, and this year was a a tree with a lot of ornaments, which is a good thing. All right, line item vetos. You I mentioned some of those. It was about 1.35 billion uh at the end. Budget stabilization fund transfer was one of the big ones. Um,
and then when it was finally done, the final budget was actually 10 million, just 10 million more than the governor's original recommended budget in January. So, that kind of gives you an idea of where their heads are at, including our governor when they came uh to the finish line there. I mentioned tort reform. All those bills that um were put forward,
one actually got to the governor's desk, he vetoed. The other twos did not make it. I expect a lot of those will be back. Um, couple local bills that I want to highlight, and I know these are on your radar, but just highlight them anyway. Senate Bill 180 dealing with emergencies. There was a provision in there that dealt with and they've done
it a couple years before um where uh depending on where a hurricane lands in a 100 mile radius beyond that um the communities that are affected by that sort of cone or line if you will uh have to cease any kind of changes on
development impact fees a lot of provisions on that. Um you're hearing about it um in Orange County. I'm hearing a little bit about down here. Um, it could have impact on some of the impact fees that you've adopted or want to adopt in the future. It could have impact on some of the land use
regulations you may or may not want to adopt going forward. So, I put it on your radar. This will be challenged um the way it was presented in the bill. Um, presents as if it was just meant to deal with emergencies and letting you or your neighbor rebuild their house the way it
was built before, not have to be kind of confined by a new code or a new land use, right? That makes sense. Uh but it's obviously being deployed uh uh as everything right not not because of you you had a hurricane damage and so it'll be interesting to see where this lands
but I put it on your radar. I'm certain I know your city attorney is well aware and is probably looking at it uh as is other folks in the community but I wanted to make sure you're aware. And then of course the implementing bill on the very last day of of negotiations for the budget um the budget conference if
you will um I think it was a Friday night they they rolled out a lot of implementing bill language and implementing bill for those that may not keep up with the lingo up there is the the bill that is uh tagged to the budget and it's the policy that they change for a year to implement the budget right so if you fund something but the statutes
don't allow for it you put some changes in statute that are good for a year expires January or June 30th 2026 so that your budget can can exist or if you make changes in some recurring dollars, you put a change in statute to deal with that. One thing that debuted on the very last day of negotiations was
a section that dealt with Doge um and specifically allowed Doge to um charge fines if local governments don't turn over the records in a timely manner. basically giving some author some teeth, some authorization into what um the Doge um department, the governor's department
of government efficiency was already pushing forward. Um if that was unpassed, it would just be public records requests and please and thank yous, right? That this language with the the kind of fines built in put some teeth into it. So, I put on your radar, I know y'all adopted um or opted in, so
to speak, to Doge and said, "Come on in and look at our records." So maybe not as much impact on you, but more just to make you aware of it um as it's good until June 30th, 2026. All right, quick fire drill here and then um we can
answer any questions or let you guys go on with the important work that you're doing. Notable bills that passed. Um constitutional amendment form. This is a constant thing you see at the legislative level. there's there's um a push back on the constitutional the citizen initiative um petition process
and this is just another and this is being challenged in the courts and and the and the challenge is hinging on first amendment right every time you pull back the idea that any of you or me or someone else and how we go about getting those signatures and and petitions signed you're sort of taking away our rights right at least that's the argument this will be challenged in
courts leading up to this next election cycle I'm sure you heard about the fluoride ban that was part of an a bill uh state parks Everyone knows this story, right? There was going to be a golf course and maybe pickle ball and some other things in a state park in South Florida. Um, Republicans and Democrats alike united
uh in their opposition to that. Um, and D, which was kind of leading the way as it the story broke. Um so not surprisingly there was legislation uh the senator who represented the the the area where that park is that that golf course might have been um filed this law
went into some back and forth but the ultimate product was essentially if if the state was ever to do something like a golf course or a pickle ball court or a movie theater or whatever you want to call it in a state park. There would be ample transparency, ample community input and a whole lot of uh votes before
it ever could get to the finish line. meaning unlikely something like that would happen unless there was actual buyin. Uh condo law reform obviously the the tragedy in Surfside uh led to legislation and the state's been trying to get the legislation right ever since. Right. The immediate response was think
safety first and they did that but then in the in the haste of trying to get something done with safety first. They realized pretty quickly the next year that that was expensive. If you know anyone that live in condos or any of your constituents, they know that um insurance and the dues and what they collect uh have all exponentially
increased and it's forcing people out of condos. So, they did another go at it. Tried to curve back the the uh the retention studies that they do. Just trying to find the sweet spot, right? Something that can can continue to promote safety so that we never have another surfside, but also not be in
some situation where folks are basically can't live in their condo anymore because they get priced out. uh by fees, not by actually what they paid to live there. Uh school start time. You might recall there was a push in the previous um cycle uh to and it passed to uh delay
school start times, right? Under the theory of kids are better if they can sleep in, their brains function better, so don't send them to school early. Um push back on that then and and going forward was, "Yeah, but people got to go to work and how does this work? You know, do you do you not go to the office until 10:00 a.m. because your kid
doesn't go to school until 10 a.m.?" It's complicated, right? Um ultimately this session um they they peeled that back and it's not a full repeal. What it is essentially allows whether it's our school board or someone else's. They just have to have commissioned a study to determine that that that those start
times at the state level don't work for our particular school district and then they can repeal it back and do whatever they think is best which most school districts with a few exceptions are going to do. DO package normally I wouldn't present to you local government the DO package but uh more important just kind of because it will have some
impact on your businesses. You may recall a couple sessions ago in the kind of the twilight of um COVID when everyone was back um the the legislature and the governor signed laws that uh essentially codified the businesses couldn't restrict your entry, right?
Whether you had a vaccination status or not and also doctors couldn't restrict you being a patient if you were vaccinated or not. Those were all set to expire um I think it was this summer or maybe next summer, but they went ahead and uh made those permanent. So that that is now there. That's why it's
notable. And then brownfields. Um, you know, our state, like any state, has a lot of development issues, right? We've got springs and the aquafer. And one of the hardest areas to develop is is those super fund sites, right? Where they've already been damaged uh whatever property was there previous many many
decades ago when we didn't have as many environmental regulations or concerns, right? Because we didn't we didn't know what we didn't know. Um the state and federal dollars as well have been great in supporting brownfield redevelopments where there's funding provided for developers to go in and clean up the site and then they can develop the site.
It's a win-win. Some of that funding was in jeopardy but this this year they got it and put it in legislation and got it right which will help to the extent you have areas like that um help those developments move forward. Notable bills that failed and we mentioned them because they will probably be back. Property insurance they are still hoping
and hanging on to the regulations that they did. um a couple years ago and hoping that the corner will turn. To their credit, the legislature, all of them, um there are more insurers in the market than there were two years ago, right? So, that has created competition, but if you've seen your renewals, if you
own property, you know that that the situation hasn't necessarily dramatically improved. Maybe it's not terrible like it was before. And so, that drum beat um continues to be for property insurance reform. And I think you'll see something next session, especially in an election year. Hemp regulation. This is something that's been coming every year and it gets a
little closer. Not quite there. E-Verify, as you probably know, in our state, we have E-Verify, but it's for companies that have more than 25 employees. And then for those who have more than 25 employees, anyone that was an employee before that law went to infect or grandfathered. So, there's a lot of folks that aren't under E-Verify
as a result. Uh there was a bill that got a little traction um that was going to just make E-Verify for everybody which you know stating the obvious it would have some impact in certain um areas of our state especially our hospitality and construction industry where it's well documented that we have
a lot of folks that are maybe not here under the full legal premises. Um college university presidential searches. This this one got close and it ended up being a real uh tit for tat when the house and the senate against the governor um of what to do here. I
think you're going to see it again given what happened at University of Florida with their one lone finalist and that finalist you know and it ultimately wasn't approved by the board of governors but right now as it sits uh a university can do a search completely in private which was pushed by almost everybody everybody wanted this because
they were worried we can't get Harvard's president if that's who we're recruiting because if the minute they announced they wanted to come to UCF or UF or FSU they would lose their job at Harvard to use that example right and so they wanted to be able to do it in private and do the re interview But what's happened is most universities have gone
through this process and what the law says is you have to show the final three finalists. So at least there's some transparency. What happens is all the finalists but one pull out because they tell them, "Hey, this is our one that we're going to pick. The other two, thank you for participating." And then they pull their name out before it's
final. So you only hear about one finalist. So much for transparency. Uh, and so that's got a lot of angst in the legislative process because they they they made it a private process to make our colleges more competitive and now people know nothing about it unless you're an insider. So, I think you're
going to continue to see that uh tweaked with next session. Uh, gun law changes. Parkland, the tragedy led to a lot of gun law changes in Florida and ever since then there's been a push to repeal some of those changes. This year was very similar. These bills have a little more um traction in the House uh than
they do in the Senate. Uh but once again, it did not make it to the finish line. CRA, boy, this one um Kylie and I and others, we spent a lot spent spend our wheels quite a bit on this. There was a bill that was effectively just going to eliminate CRAAS by a date certain and but more importantly for uh
CRAAS that were existent existence even though they would exit out around 2045 there couldn't be any new programming after October 1, 2025 this year which essentially would end them right unless you had something that you had to pay off a bond for or some construction project or you had programming funding.
Um, oh, and by the way, it was going to take away festivals and parades and, you know, all the stuff that you can kind of find through CRA to do in your community. That bill went away. Um, but it will be back. Um, and we kind of loved it to death, as we call in the process, amendment here, and amendment there, an amendment there, and then all
of a sudden the sponsors don't like their own bill because they they wanted to just get rid of them, and now they're they're kind of letting them live, and they, you know, it's a Frankenstein bill, but it will be back. Uh, last two, DBPR deregulation. Um, that was a bill that the speaker actually talked about. He didn't talk about a lot of his priorities when he was sworn in, but he
did talk about getting rid of regulations. This was a bill that a lot of people liked, but because it touched a couple um areas um where frankly special interest had some strong pull in there, it it just got too heavy. It was a big big bill, but I do expect it'll be back uh next session. And then sovereign
immunity, it's been 11 years since the state of Florida has raised the caps on sovereign immunity for local governments. Right now, it's 200 and 300, whether it's one or joint. um 200 300,000. Uh the reason this bill has not gotten
anywhere closer is one, Speaker Rener and President Pasadomo were very anti-trial bar, so those bills were kind of dead on arrival during their um presiding officer term. Um but the other thing is that there's a push and pull between the House and Senate, at least of the folks pulling it. The the House
sponsors that have been pushing this bill in recent years want to increase the caps to a million and then set index them to CPI. So it's it would get out of control quickly. Um the Senate has taken the approach of at least the Senate sponsors who are pushing the uh for sovereign immunity changes have said
let's line it up to what would be the effect of 10 years CPI, right? Or 10 years if you just adjust for cost of living adjustments, right? That would be more in line moving it from 2 to 300 to probably 4 to 500 or 500 to 600. that while it would still be painful, right, for y'all and all your other uh cities
in the state and counties, would be probably more reasonable and in line with what would be expected. And that's honestly what's kept this bill from passing. It will be back next year. I think every year we get further away from when they raise the caps, it makes it more likely that they're going to do something right because 200 and 300 does
feel a little low now. Didn't feel low 11 years ago, but now it kind of feels low when you say when you look at some of the judgments that are out there. Um, and so that's something I do expect will be back, but we were able to defeat it this year. All right, these are the dates to put on your radar. Um, they
they they gave us September off since they decided to wait until the end of June to to finish session. Uh, but they will be off to the races. Um, and we encourage you and folks in the audience uh anytime you want to come up, we'll make it a productive visit. Obviously, your delegation members always uh
welcome you with open arms, but we'll also make sure you're sitting in some of the rooms with the other chairs and some of the presiding officers and their staff to advocate for both policy and budget and make sure we have another successful sess session. Uh but as you do see, it's an early session, so it's kind of cut off there, but the first day
of session is January 13th. Um and then the last day of session is March 13th. So, um they'll be wrapped up before most of the state's high schools are in spring break. Well, I'm going to say I'm going to knock on wood as I say that because last year we had 105 days. Um, but they should, uh, be wrapped up by
March 13th. And the one thing I didn't mention in these slides, uh, mainly because when we produced them to you, um, it wasn't fully baked or not as baked as it is now, but you've probably heard, um, there's going to be a conversation around redistricting. You heard it come out of the president's office, then you heard it come out of
the governor's office, and most recently, Speaker Perez, which is odd because again, I I I didn't hesitate to tell you the kind of the friction between the speaker and the governor's office. Um the speaker came out with a memo saying that they're going to look at it, right? Um there there's a perception, at least among the
Republican leadership, that because of COVID and other things that Florida's numbers aren't fair. Um and that we should have had another Cong, we should have had at least one more congressional seat. And even if we don't have one more congressional seat that the way they did the map last time didn't have all the
right data because of co and if we had all the right data we would have drawn the maps differently. Um I think this is a legit I think this is a very um real thing. I think there is going to be a conversation this session. Now a reminder when the house and senate does
redistricting for their maps they don't have to send it to the governor. They get to draw their maps but the governor has veto power over the congressional maps. So he will be part of this conversation. Um, but that also gives them leverage, right? Because they don't have to send him anything. Um, but checks and balances. He knows levers he
can pull and his team does and they know levers they can pull. But the fact that the speaker said that he would have the conversation and the governor's already pushing for it, my gut is they end up having a conversation up there. Now, whether they can get to the finish line and have a new map and a map that survives challenge, right? Even though
the Florida Supreme Court approved the other map that in many people thought violated the Voter Rights Act at at the federal level, um that doesn't mean they'll approve the next map, right? So, there's a lot of whatifs out there, but I do think this is going to be a conversation that moves forward, and if it does, it will take up a lot of the
air in the room. Um redistricting people, you can't take politics out of politics. you you put 120 house members and 40 senators, they start looking at map boundaries, right? And they go, "hm, that changes there. Maybe I'm running for Congress, right?" Like, and it just creates a whole another interesting level of politics in the capital. Uh so,
uh, put that on your radar because I think it's a very real, um, thing and I think it will happen. With that, love to take some questions or get out of the way and let you guys get back to your business and and it but I I'll say it before I forget. It's an honor to work with you, Veronica, Dan, Ishmael, and
the rest of the team. They they are super responsive whenever we need anything, right? If we need questions answered on stuff and on far as appropriations forms and other things, they do a great job working with us and with our members and our delegation to put together good products there. And I said it earlier, but I'll say it again. We appreciate when you guys do come to
Tallahassee. We love helping getting you in the room and we always say presence is power. So, please come back. It's more work for us, but it's kind of work we like. We'd like to have you up there um so that we can advocate on your behalf even better. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Chris. I appreciate you, Kylie. Um, thanks for being amazing
tour guides up there for us and >> up and down the stairs, the elevators, and uh, putting up with us. So, >> and and putting up with our chiefs over there, I know they're they get into trouble. Even when Council Member Urban gets lost going for popcorn. >> Um, no, but thank you. That the
fireboat, the the Tiger Daming system, those are amazing uh, assets. are really going to help our city with public safety and um because you know we get hurricanes around here and we get accidents out on the boats or out in the lake. So, it's really cool. >> Well, we'll take enough credit to to say you're welcome, but the real credit is
um these members if I don't even know if they're still behind me, but the you know, I always say to folks as you get towards the end of session, right, like in those if it was a regular session, those last 10 to 15 days, um you know, it's kind of like a funnel, right? and
our ability as lobbyists to get to the budget chair and the presiding officers. We can still get to them, but everyone is trying to get to them, right? It's not like middle of session, whatever. You can text them and you get a quick response when all the focus is on the budget. Every lobbyist in the capital that has the cell phone number of one of
the budget chairs or the speaker or the president is probably texting them saying, "Could you check on this one? Could you check on that one?" But and so you feel excited when you get a response and you don't take it so personal when you don't. You know they read it. But you know who they don't ignore is their members. And when the members um that we
have and they did go do the you know the the uh the leather soul lobbying, right? Walk down the hall, go to the budget chair's office and say this is important to me, which I know they did because we had conversations about it. That makes all the difference. So uh they definitely deserve a lot of those kudos
if not all of the kudos. We're just glad to be along for the ride with them. They're great members. >> All right. And I guess uh we'll be getting you our our requests for for next session very shortly. And >> and thank you council. Any questions for lobbyists? >> Gray Robinson. Uh your organization does
an amazing job for us. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> All right. Next up we have the consent agenda. The next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial. If anyone in the audience wishes to address
particular item on the consent agenda, now is the opportunity to for you to do so. Additionally, staff or members of the city council wish to speak on a consent item, they have the same opportunity. Council, would you like to remove anything from the consent agenda?
I'm gonna wait for your light. Council member Gilbert or Deputy Mayor Gilbert. I'd like to uh just uh briefly review uh two and three together for just one question. >> Two and three.
All right, city manager, you said we've removed number four. >> Number one. >> Number one. Okay. >> All right. I'd like to go ahead and pull number four. So, we got two, three, four. >> I want to do eight and 17.
>> Okay. Second. >> Which ones? Council member >> 8 and 17. >> 8 and 17. Council member Urban, are you good? >> I'm good. Thank you. Okay, we'll go ahead and start off with
two and three. I think uh Deputy Mayor Gilbert wanted to speak on that. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. And and I don't know exactly who to ask this question to, but I um in previous council meetings, I requested that we give the percentage of the mobility fee credits
in columns so we could look at those percentages of what the total fees are and what the credit fees were given. And different projects have different um contractors. Uh, number two was Land
Ventures LLC and number three was Taylor Morrison of Florida Incorporated, KD KB Home Orlando. I would like to find out what the formula is because number two, there's a
14% which was accredited for mobile fees and credits. And I know some need more roads and some need more access and things such as that. But then the next development which was a 51% mobility fee credit to a
different developer and I don't know if possible, but I don't know how they align where one development receives a 14% credit, the other one receives a 51% credit.
Um, I I believe we need to spend the taxpayer dollars wisely. So, I don't know what why the difference is so so much. And I understand that sometimes it's the projects and needs, but I'd like really like to look at what percentage we're giving in credit fees
versus dollar volumes because I think we need to be at least more consistent across the board. With that, I yield back to you, mayor, and I don't know who can answer that question. Uh, I would say the city manager. >> Um, I'm going to ask the planning department if if they can address this question
and our transportation planner. >> Yes. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. Um, Tammy Reki is our special projects and mobility manager and so she is the um, subject matter expert on these. So, I'm going to allow her to answer that question if that's okay.
>> Thank you, M. >> Good evening. Tammy Reichi, um, mobility and special projects manager with community development. So, to address your question with item, let's start with item number one with Narus Land Ventures
>> that's been pulled >> or number two. Sorry, >> it's actually number two. number one that you mentioned but number two in the consent agenda I meant. Um so that agreement is coming to the city because
uh that that area was part of the incumbrance annexations that we did back in May. So that uh mobility fee credit agreement was already existing with the county. So um when they came into the
city that amount is kind of the remaining credits that they had for the work that they did and that they still have to do for their development. So that's why um the amount that is being
requested for the city it's a lot less than what we see for other developers because a lot of that work has been already completed. So when they were in the county, they had two different agreements for Alligator Lake Road, for
not road and Hickory Tree Road. So a lot of that work has been completed already. Now that they're part of the city, we're doing this agreement um to to see if what they had the work that they had remaining was eligible for
our credits. And then we determine that that amount is what is eligible for us. >> Um, may I continue, mayor? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, I I kind of get all that. So, and I understand the uh quas relationship that
we have with the county in mobility fees. And when we annex, we we kind of partner up and use whatever mobility fees and what they've been negotiating. We're doing that in some other properties. But I just to me if we're going to give mobility credits, I would
like it to benefit the people of St. Cloud and it looks like one benefits the contractor much more than the other one benefits the contractor. I don't know how we change that formula. I don't have that answer, but I would really
like to look at the percentages of mobility fees that we're giving away because every road needs help, >> you know. So if if the 14% would would be less or the 52 51% would be 40% then it would give us a lot more
percent for existing roads and things such as that. Correct. >> Yeah. But um the 14% is was the remaining responsibility. It wasn't the full. So that that's why that number is a lot lower than usually is. So you're
telling >> because they already did some work in the county and >> they the county did. >> So when they the properties were in the county, they did an agreement with the county. >> So this is the remaining work left. >> Dan wants to jump in. >> Yeah. And I was just going to clarify
this light. I'll wait for you to finish. >> So comparing the two projects that we're talking about item consent item number two is best described as a project where the transportation improvements have been under partial construction and significant construction for a period of time. So before the property was annexed
into the city, they did a lot of the improvements for the benefit of the transportation system, not for their not the improvements that b that are required for their development, but those that create additional transportation capacity. So they did a lot of those in the county. They've
received those transport those mobility fee credits from the county for their project. But since they're got annexed basically during the process of construction, building homes and the development, there's a remaining piece which is what uh Tammy is referring to. So that's why the percentages are
different between the two agree the two uh items on on your consent agenda tonight. >> Okay. a a as we continue to annex and and as um we continue to grow, I would really like explanations going forth about continuum projects, starting
projects, where they're at within within the the fees and quite frankly, what percentage I mean even I know one's pulled and and three is not, but that's 48 and 51 and that's looks like both
kind of same projects and one contractor's hitting three three points more on mobility free fee credits. So I just don't I don't have the answer but I do have the question. >> How are these how are these equal? >> Deputy mayor I tell you this one's a little going to be a little unusual and
those where the project is already started before it got annexed and they started actually constructing or we we have to look at a little little uniquely. There's all kinds of moving parts with those uh as you might imagine because what up until a particular date they're applying for pulling building
permits in the county, they get annexed. Now we're dealing with you know maybe the home right next door will be permitted in in in the city. So so uh we've had to deal with those and that's what we're trying to do with these. So you won't see a lot of them that are as unique as this. Most of them we've worked out an agreement with the county
like number three which is another triparty agreement that has mobility fee credits. However, it's not in the city yet. So, none of the it may never be in the city during the pro during the construction process. And if it's never in the city during the construction process, none of the mobility fee
credits that are allocated in that agreement will be come from the city's mobility fee. >> Well, I know we're working we just today working on another project that's similar that was annexed with another piece. And so, that's something I think we just need to keep our eyes up on if
we could please. Thank you. >> And I yield back to you, Mayor. I just needed that those discrepancies were just a little bit wide for me. >> Okay. Yeah. And and you know, I agree with you. I'm a proponent on on trying to um the city collecting as many impact fees, mobility fees as we can u so that
we can use those to address the issues that our citizens face every day now in the traffic. So, you know, new roads in these subdivisions. I I know this one, the number two is not really doesn't apply to that, but you know, there's many subdivisions that we approve that they're building out these new roads
with these new citizens coming in that haven't moved here yet. They're an idea of people. I care about the people that are here, and that's that's uh it's important to know what fees, you know, what what monies we can get so we can build roads. >> And I'm going to go ahead uh there's
just those two, right, Council? >> Y back now. >> Okay. Um I'm going to add to the list to pull item number 413 18 and 19. But I'll go ahead and ask council member Paul if she'd like to go ahead and speak on eight. >> Yes. So um I wanted to um ask the
question of the cost of purchase and then providing um an effective date for the brick program policy. >> Uh would that be parks and right? >> Yeah. Miss Miss Holt Camp. Deputy mayor, do you have something to say now or do you want to wait?
>> Um, if you want can I ask the question at the same time? >> Uh, what what I was >> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Council Member Paul. This is your thing first? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. I thought you had just something to say. >> It's to say with this project. >> Yes. So, I know um the brick program policy um was being updated and wanted
to find out um the cost of purchase and then the effective date that a um individual or organization could apply for a brick. >> Yes. So, uh the cost for the brick, the total cost for the brick is $87. >> Um and it would be effective immediately
if it passes. Oh, >> okay. And how would they be able to is it an application online or would they have to go to the sex and at the mount piece? >> Uh the either option they can go online fill out the application we'll upload the application once it's been approved so it' be tomorrow Monday at the latest
or they can visit uh the Sexton at the cemetery or they can go to the community center on 17th Street and speak with Lori. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And then can I can I help answer one point there? Um, we're not actually issuing the order for the bricks though
until we have 10 orders at a time. So, we would be able to to start receiving orders immediately, but it would take 10 before we're able to get them inscribed. >> Um, you >> said $87. So, >> $87 per brick, but we have to have 10
bricks ordered before the inscriber will come out to do it. >> Okay. So if an organization do 10 bricks at one time, will you go ahead and start that or will you wait for >> Nope. As soon as we get 10 orders, we will call call them out and schedule them >> or just 10 bricks.
>> 10 bricks. >> Add to that and may ask for the pleasure of the council on this. Uh I looked at the cost of doing it. It's $87 cost. uh everybody knows it does business cost is usually over what it we estimate the
cost to be it's just that's the way the world turns that's the way it is these bricks are set in 10 sections per 10 sections and then installation to help keep the cost down I would ask the council to consider the pleasure of raising the brick brick price to $100
for the extra $13 to go into the IFC if file because as knowing the expenses coming up and and we have a great cemetery It's one of the best around and it's one of the most inexpensive, but there are costs of doing business. So, I'd like to ask council to look at maybe
$100 for that knowing that the cost will increase as as the bricks are ordered. Now, you go back, >> what uh filing cabinet is the if come file >> the cost becomes more that money's in. >> No, I know. How would we how would we uh differentiate between what gets is there
a way to do that? >> Well, if you mean for the to raise it to $100. Yeah. I think what he's saying is um we raised to $100, but we we're a portion of that is separate or no? >> Well, do you separate it out? >> You say it's going to be 87 to do it. Uh
I've never seen a project come in. If it's 87, it's usually 92 or 94 to have the that money to afford that as we continue with this program. Well, I think the staff has looked at and as you said, Deputy Mayor, they have calculated the cost, basically the out-of- pocket
cost, including staff time and the engraver and the brick itself, and they've come to $87. >> So, if you would think that that need that that isn't as accurate as it needs to be or you think there should be a little bit more in place to deal with the other expenses of the cemetery,
then we could raise it tonight to $100 just for I would agree with you. Yeah, I think $100 is a fair um you're not asking a lot more. Council member, >> I mean other are there other cemeteries that are doing this brick program to
possibly see what their cost is? >> Yeah, I mean we can research these these costs were just based on what what it does our our cost $87 was our cost. I I did an analysis on on on plots for the Mount Peace and we're probably 50%
less expensive than anywhere in the surrounding area for the plots. Now, understanding these are forever maintenance. So once you sell a plot or a brick, you're going to maintain them forever. And that's why I'm looking at
some additional funding down the road. >> Okay. separate that mayor, >> you know, because you know, you can get grass growing through them and >> Right. You still have to maintain. >> Okay. We don't have to make a decision on a We can readress that price another time,
right? Or if we >> I think to get the program up and running, staff would like you to set the price tonight because like like Stephanie said, they're going to upload your application as soon as possible so that people can start participating. Um, Dan, is there a way to do an initial
price and next month we have our fee resolution? Could could we have a the initial to get it started and then update it next month once we've had a chance to do that research that that was requested? >> Sure. You'll get a lot of applications tomorrow, but >> sure.
>> You at least get 10. Maybe >> maybe it'll encourage more. >> All right. What's the pleasure of the council on that? y'all want to uh go ahead and move forward with the 87 and change and then readress it once we get more
information. >> Is that fair? >> Is that just consensus? >> Well, if that's >> we're going to vote on this, too. >> Well, no. If if that's the consensus of the council, then you just vote. It used right now as part of the consent agenda, it's at 87. So, if you're not going to
change that, you would just take a motion as part of the consent agenda. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like a if we can get a breakdown of of how you guys calculated the the cost. >> Mhm. >> You know, how we got to $87 and if it's, you know, >> Yeah, I I may do I can tell you right
now if you want me to tell you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, it's $2 per brick. The engraving cost, it's $60 per brick order, but you have to have the minimum of 10 bricks and it's $25 administrative fee for us to process the application and, you know, contact the engraver and all that.
>> Okay. Okay. So we charge 25 for our staff. >> Yes. >> To call and do all Okay. >> In that administrative cost, is that installation and maintenance incorporated in that? >> Yeah, the we have there are there are
bricks out there uh or areas for that. We could put the bricks out there. So that includes the installation. Yes. >> All right. Um, any other questions from council on this one? All right. Thank you, Stephanie. Council member Paul. Uh, item number seven.
>> Oh, yes. Um, Stephanie again. >> 17. Sorry. >> Sorry. So, um wanted to um ask if someone from parks and recck can share why we um the county is transferring the
part and triangle triangle park over to the city. Um I know there's a lot of sometimes confusion out there on the city and the county with these parks. So, um if someone could um kindly explain the reason of of the transfer,
>> Scott, >> good evening, mayor, city council. Uh Scott David off, deputy city manager. uh Councilwoman Paul's question regarding uh the reason behind this is this is part of the JPA and the ILA that the
city had entered into with the county uh where the city is required to take ownership of three different parks uh part Triangle, Narusi Community Center and uh Hickory Tree Park. uh partner triangle has been the one that we have
been focusing on along with the county and uh we've been working very closely with them to make sure that this is done. The city was actually supposed to take ownership of this property back in 2021. Uh it's taken a good while to get through that process. There were some issues with the land itself uh and some
of the other projects that were going on out there and now it's at that point where both parties are ready to go forward and and complete the agreement that the city had entered into back then. Um, as part of this agreement, the city and the county did go through the the park and identified a number of
areas that uh needed work, needed some upgrades. Uh, and as part of this agreement, the county is providing $45,000 to the city to make those needed upgrades to the park. As well as the city will be taking uh will the
agreement with the current airboat vendor will be assigned to the city. So, the city will be receiving that revenue and as part of this uh original JPA and the ILA, the city has been receiving the park impact fees from the county which have been coming to the city since that
time. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. You're welcome. Um Scott, so that that is a public boat ramp there, right? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. So, that will be the first access for the city of St. Cloud to Westlake is a public boat ramp.
>> I believe you're correct. Yes, sir. West Lake Topa Kaliga. >> Yes, sir. >> You say it much better than I do. >> Okay. Yeah, I know there's a lot of moving parts on that and I know that's been in the works for eight years, I guess, at least maybe before that. I
know that's when I first heard about it. >> Um, and I'd just like to thank the county. They've been excellent in working through these details with us uh to get us to this point. >> Yeah. >> Good. All right. Thank you. Oh, count.
Nope. Deputy Mayor Gilbert's still got his light on. That's all right. He's not here. He can't ask a question if he's not here. Um, I want to go ahead and and talk about number four here.
So, I guess these agreements, >> would that be Melissa for these agreements? These are these planning and zoning. Yes. All right. community development. >> Hi sir, how are you? >> Good. How are you today? >> Good. Uh these agreements are these
these are on a case by case basis each one of these. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes sir. So the the way we typically do it is we have contracts and in order to actually move forward with any work uh to with any of these consultants there
is the next step but we do the task authorization that allows us to request a purchase order and that purchase order has a specific task tied to it. So, we may have contracts, but we may never use those consultants unless there's a
request that either comes from the city manager's office or council or we have a um special project or an um high volume of applications that um we need the assistance. >> Okay. And all of these I I I believe
these are probably all approved through a an RFQ or RFP. They were uh initially I want to say it was like 2020ish don't quotas was it yes >> I think that's what the uh >> three years so yes that would have been 2022 sorry math is
>> and you're satisfied with the services of or you wouldn't be recommending approval >> um I don't know if I recommend approval on those but I will tell you we use and we use um the other one on there VHB we use those the other ones listed there we
have not been using actively um just for transparency purposes. >> Well, we we recently did try to use GI for for one task. >> Correct. >> Right. The MAC, right? >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> Do we anticipate using the others or do we should we um take them off the list if we're not using them? When was the last time we used them? >> Probably at least a year ago, maybe two. And I I don't personally foresee us
needing um I think it was club on and I'm trying to go off of memory club on and um if you can tell me >> uh RVI planning and landscape. >> I don't foresee us using RVI >> and then continue uh let's see here's GI
>> GI um it it just depends on direction that we receive. Okay, >> mayor, if I may just add something if so the the this process as it relates to this as well as other continuing service
contracts that the city has with consultants, there is a benefit to the city to have a certain number of qualified consultants on because as Melissa pointed out when a project becomes when a project need arises
typically what what happens is you reach out to one of the four or five that are under the contract under contract and we ask for them to provide us pricing time to completion and whether they specifically have experience with regard to the particular project. Sometimes the
pricing and the uh time for completion most importantly um has to fit into with regard to maybe the people we use regularly. So in other words, one of the entities may not be available to get it done in time and we have to move to the next one to get the project done. So it
is there is benefit to the city to having them under contract uh so that uh and we can we have available options when it comes to issuing those. >> Okay. Well, I guess my point looking at this was if we're not using them for a year, year and a half, two years. Uh
should we not replace one of them at least with, you know, go back out and kind of see what else is out there and open it back up for an RFQ? So, we would we we would have we would go out for all of them. >> I mean, I assume there's a reason why we're not using
some of them as opposed to use, you know, constantly using some of the other ones. >> Yeah. >> Well, you could approve it the way it is and then if you'd like, you could ask the you could direct staff to move forward with uh, you know, possibly another another procurement out there. >> So, there's no cost associated unless we
give them a task authorization. Right. >> Yes, sir. And if the task authorization is above the city manager's authority, it would be back in front of the city council. >> Okay. Deputy mayor, do you have something to add? >> I'm so sorry, mayor. >> Your light was on while you were gone, too. I I called on you. Your seat didn't answer.
>> Thank you, Melissa. Appreciate that. >> No, Melissa, this may be you, too. Number 13. Uh, more consultants. >> No, that's procurement. >> Procurement. >> Sorry. Thank you, Melissa. >> Mr. Dlo. >> Hi, Jamie. How are you?
>> How are you doing? >> Good. Um, yeah. Can can you go ahead and explain what what each one of these are these money upfront? There's no cost associated with this um unless that we use their services. Again, we put out an
RFP um for grant consultants. Um as we're getting more funding um that's coming through, we need the expertise of a wide range of consultants. So um we were very grateful that we had such a wide response on this solicitation. Um
and and as I said, there's no cost associated unless that we have a specific task. It's a task authorization based contract. >> Okay. It's just a lot of a lot of consultants on that one. >> Well, remember that when you write a grant, the same consultant cannot manage
the grant. So, if we need help writing a grant, it has to be a different consultant that will help us to manage. So, um there's and we have a wide range of um funding opportunities that have come through between HUD grants that have a lot of requirements, our public
safety grants um and and so this list of consultants has they meet all that criteria. >> Okay. >> So, like I said, only if there's a task authorization. So, like to write a grant
>> or to manage a grant What do we pay to a company like Grant Works to write a grant for us? Is it a percentage based? >> No, it's it's all different. Um, some of them charge a flat fee. Um, it ranges in my experience between it could be as minimal as just a couple thousand
dollars depending on the complexity of the grant. It could be to write it um 10 to 12,000. It just depends. >> Okay. Do we submit to them what the grant is like the grant uh say it's a um
um it's out there to the public that there's a grant available. So do we tell this company, hey can you write a grant for us on this and they give us a price and >> Right. So um they have all on all of their submitts we would go through and see what their expertise is. We would
even call to see how many grants that they've written um such as the cops grant we have we called around safer grant. How many of these grants have you written? How what was your success rate on it? And then that's how we would choose um the consultant that will be writing the grant for us.
>> Okay. Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> I just have the one question that popped up from that. Uh, it having a nonprofit um myself, we and we write grants at times and have grant writers and they get paid if the grants awarded a certain
percentage of that grant. Do we have any of those opportunities? >> We can't do that. >> I know the city attorney has something to say about that. >> Yeah, you can't do that. You can't And for these grants, you can't have a contingency agreement with these. >> I will never know until I ask him, right? He told me about two hours ago.
>> All right. Thank you, Jamie. >> All right, I think we are all good on that. And I'm going to go ahead and open it up for we got some members in the in the public here. So consent item number 18, we have Aaron
Foster. Good evening. Aaron Foster. I live Tika Village over on Noli and Old Canoe Creek Road. As you know, there's a interchange going in there and uh we have a hard enough time getting in and out of our
community and there's a proposal for a community even closer to that intersection between that intersection and our community. And uh I wonder if there's a study been done to address that traffic issue because it
would just increase the scariness of getting in and out of Oak Creek Road. It's scary now. It'd be worse. And the other question I would have is how did they plan to get in and
out of their property? because it's my understanding that their right of egress and regress was uh granted to FDOT and now they have no way to get in other than a 10-ft section into Canoe Creek Road. So
that's just that's all I have to ask. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Can we go ahead and and put that subdivision up on the screen, please? That's number 18. And mayor, I don't know if the applicant is present, but >> you want to make we may want to keep
track of these questions and see if the applicant can help with those. >> Absolutely. >> Would the applicant like to speak on this item? Yep. Number 18. >> Good evening, council. My name is Matt Stoles with Deer Horton 101 192 Down Road. Um
so yeah, we're proposing the overall sub town home subdivision on Noli Road um and Old Canoe Creek Road. Um it's a mixture of town homes that are front loaded, front loaded and rear loaded. Uh we've worked a lot with the planning staff and Melissa community development
team and Stephanie's team to make sure that we're meeting all of the uh requirements and code requirements for the layout density um open space requirements, storm water roadways as well. Um the
traffic that we're working with is through Orange County and DOT. Um will be required separate permits for the offsite road along Canoe Creek Roads. I believe that's a county. >> You mean Ocula County and DOT? >> Yeah, sorry. >> That's right. >> Sorry, I'm a little under the weather. I might have misspoke. Please feel free to
correct me if I say something wrong. Um yeah, so we have permits in for um right turn in and right turn out at our main entry point along Canoe Creek Road and uh yeah, that'll be permanent through the county. Um we do have access. I
don't have the documentation with me um for the strip for DOT. Uh I believe that was provided to the city as part of our application um in order to access Canoe Creek Road. Um, I can find that document later on, but like I said, I believe it
was previously submitted. Um, you know, we've we spent a lot of time thinking about storm water on this project as well. Um, we're making sure that we're keeping everything on our site, not pushing anything off site. We have a mixture of lot grading along the edges, uh, sideyard swells, inlets to make sure
we're trapping everything on our site and not sending anything out to the existing, especially to the south or west of us to neighboring properties. Um the site does have kind of a unique old tract on the south and west side of it. Um there's a lot of existing vegetation
as well as an old kind of access trail for the previous property owner that I think was accessed prior to the um the offramp for the turnpike going in there. I don't think that access is being used any longer and we're not um we made the
decision not to um you know purchase that property or put any development on it. I think it will act as a really good um buffer between the village property and our property. Um I I believe that um
planning could probably talk to it, but we have a lot more buffer by using that than we typically would be required if we were to put it I don't know 10 or 20 foot buffer on our site. Um, also the setbacks between the property line and
the town homes I believe is 25 ft. And so with the setbacks also on the adjacent properties being 5 to 15 feet, I mean you almost have 100 feet of distance between any proposed units and the existing ones um on the residents
which is a pretty large setback. Um, yeah. So, like I said, you know, just to wrap up, we worked hard with staff to make sure that we were in compliance with the zoning, land use, um, you know, within our legal rights of the property of what we're planning. Um,
we we spent a lot of time and put a lot of thought and went back and forth with the city staff a lot to to gain their staff approval on the project and um, we believe that we're meeting everything that's required. There's also a comprehensive plan I think that's been
floating by planning to possibly move this up to a high density residential which currently it's a medium density residential. We believe that our project fits well with the surrounding area as the medium and we don't want to raise or add any more units to the project. We believe
it's a fair site how it sits and how it's currently zoned and the land use that's proposed to it. Uh we believe that we're meeting what's required of us. So here to answer any other questions that come up and I think we also have our engineer for the project here if there's technical questions about it.
>> All right. Uh council member Urban. >> Yeah. I when I saw this um I I was um just and this is nothing against this gentleman or this company. I just think this is a horrible area for a town home
project like this. Sir, >> it just um and I understand this is just the PSP, but this is where our new turnpike interchange is going to be. Um I don't know if anybody's been on Old Canoe Creek Road and at 8 a.m. in the morning when people are trying to get on
the turnpike. Uh but it's quite a disaster there. just to to get out of here. Let's say when this new turnpike interchange is built, people are going to going to have to come out, do a U-turn by our brand new fire station >> and go and go back around to go to the
turnpike. So, I just I'm not a fan of this at all, and I I know that this was already zoned for for this. I don't I don't know how that happened, but I I just um I think it's going to create quite a quite a traffic nightmare in this area.
>> Just me. Um, you say it was Matt. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, did you say you had a document saying from do about that uh DOT strip? >> Yeah, I I don't have it with me. I thought it might have been part of the submitt. I didn't expect it. I saw this
on the consent agenda. I didn't expect to have to speak to that specifically, but we do have that documentation. >> I I did ask staff for that earlier today. We we didn't have that earlier today. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. I'm gonna go ahead and call the rest of the audience.
>> Okay. Uh we have Kathy Neil. >> Good evening. Um guess I'm a little shorter than everybody else. Good evening, mayor and honorable council members. Um, my name is Kathy Neil and I am president of the HOA of Tika Village.
Thank you for your service and for your listening to our concerns tonight. I am here representing the residents of Tika Village, our 55 plus community. We care deeply about our neighborhood and want to work with you to address
some important challenges. So, why are we here? We understand our city is expanding. We are concerned about the proposed development north of our community and here are our concerns. Traffic and safety.
Already our streets are very busy, especially during rush hour. As a 55 plus community, we're hoping we can work together on traffic solutions that prioritize the safety for pedestrians and drivers of all ages and all
abilities. In the last six years, our wall to the entrance has been damaged at least twice with cars running into it. In addition, at least two fatalities that I know of and several severe accidents have
occurred. I did not have time to do I wanted to request how many accidents have happened at that area and there have been a lot more than what I am telling you to it is very very dangerous. Thank you Mr. Urban
for bringing that up. I appreciate it. The other thing that the other concerns we have is infrastructure. We've noticed some challenges with draining during heavy rains with Florida intense storm seasons. We are concerned about how
additional development might worsen flooding and drainage issues there. Let me tell you a little bit about our community character. At Tika Village, we've built a wonderful sense of community where neighbors look
out for each other. Let me say that 30 years ago, 60 people came from Orlando Gulfream and worked together as a group and built this community. It's a 55-year-old
manufactured home development. They paved the way and we love the walkable friendly feel of our area. We have demonstrated our loyalty by generously deeding valuable property to the city of St. Cloud in order to build
a fire department beside of our community. We are very proud to be a part of this and were able to attend their opening where they are expanding that fire department or fire station.
We have extremely green space preservation. May I finish please? Yes, ma'am. >> Green space. Green space preservation. The elimination of the remaining green space that's about to be destroyed is a major concern for our community. Many of
us chose this area for its natural beauty. And these green spaces provide crucial areas for relaxation and our wildlife. More importantly, we need these trees and vegetations as a wind barrier to protect our homes during
Florida's severe storms. We appreciate exploring how to protect these irreplaceable features as we grow. Should you decide to approve this development, we request a 10-ft concrete wall and not a chain link fence as
proposed. We we are what are we hoping for? We love to partner with you on upgrading systems before we add new demand, therefore setting everyone up for success.
We would love to work together on real practical solutions that keep everyone safe. Our commitment to you is we want to be a good partner in this process. We're committed to staying engaged and bringing constructive solutions, supporting developments that work for
everyone, working collaborative collaboratively rather than oppositionally. We are not here to oppose progress. We want to help shape it. We believe there is a path forward that works for developers, existing residents, and new
new neighborhoods alike. But it requires, excuse me, but it requires us working together. We're hopeful that with your leadership, we can find solutions that make our neighborhood stronger, safer, and more vibrant for everyone. We're
ready to roll up our sleeves and be a part of that solution. Thank you tonight for your time and your consideration, and we look forward to working with you. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Kathy. All right. Would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item?
I And uh I'm going to go ahead and add some comments to that as well. I would agree with Council Member Urban on this. Um you know, all they although they have and I know the city attorneys lit his light up because so he's probably not going to like what I have to say. um
they've got the zoning to do this project, but I'm I'm looking at at their exit point and that's a that's just a right turn out. They can't turn left. The only time that they're even able to go northbound is that where y'all are going
to c where y'all cross over. So, that's going to create a mess right there. >> Mor. >> Yes, sir. You can come on up here. That's fine. Yes, sir. I'm just trying to get a good feel as to the the logistics of this area. >> Just so you understand.
>> Can I get your name and address? >> Uh Aaron Foster, 441 Brave Lane Village. Thank you. >> Uh the way it works right now is they put a left turn lane down at Clayley Road, which used to be CM Park Road, and you can turn out of our uh community,
turn right, and make a U-turn down at Clay Why with a signal and come back the other way. And that's what they would have to do. They would all they would have to leave their community, go all the way down to sorry, Clay Why and make a U-turn and come back toward Noli.
>> Okay. Um, and I don't know if Melissa or Kevin are are the right ones to to ask this question, but where y'all come out of the your subdivision out onto Old Canoe Creek, is that not an open median cut? >> So you can Oh, they they blocked it off. >> Mayor.
>> Yes, sir. >> I think the >> city attorney That's you. >> I think the the applicants said they're engineers present and obviously city staff has looked at this and that might be the best folks to try to get the questions answered specifically with
regard to what's going on for the traffic patterns. >> Right. Yeah. I and and whatever it is, I have concerns with that. Um if it's blocked off or not, I I believe it's um >> And if I may, Mary, I know you started out with saying I'm not going to like what you just said, but that wasn't the
case at all. I just I just want to remind the council that as you mentioned that the property was zoned. They are entitled to build at this level in terms of there's only it's medium density residential I believe and R3. So, so they're able to do what what they want
to do from the issue before you is the issue you're discussing right now is this is a preliminary site subdivision plan whether it whether the basically the flow of the project the access pieces all that will work from a plan perspective that's what you're looking at >> this is it right yeah
>> unfortunately the traffic issues what this is going to impact on the traffic pieces in the area is really would be at a reasonzoning issue and we're not doing a resoning But part of this process is to look at the preliminary design, frankly, and see if you think it's going
to work the way it's being designed right now and whether you think there should be changes to it. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> And uh can I go ahead and have um would the applicants engineer like to come up to the podium, please? >> Uh good evening, mayor, council members.
Uh for the record, my name is Xavier Gotia with Boyd Civil Engineering and uh my address is 6816 Hanging Moss Road, Orlando, Florida 32807. And I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have. >> All right, Council Member Fletcher.
>> Um thank you, Mayor. Um I just want to say thank you to the community for coming out. You guys have obviously taken time out of your day um to be here with us today. I just want to put on the record that um I am um in agreeance with uh Council Member Urban um on this. I do
not believe that that the design is too close. I don't like the the um the traffic um um concerns and I wanted to put out the record. So, thank you for joining us this evening. >> Okay. Um sir, you guys have have done a traffic study, I assume, on this. And >> our our firm did not do the traffic
study, but there was a traffic study that was completed by a traffic engineering firm. It's currently under review, uh I believe by the city as well as Oyola County. >> Okay. No, hold on. We can't ask from the audience. Um so you're saying it's ongoing still?
>> Yes, it's still under review by the county and both the city. >> Yeah, there's a traffic impact analysis that has been submitted. Okay. Well, I'd like to go ahead and make a motion to uh move this until the next meeting. Do we anticipate that's coming
back in the by the next meeting, the September city council meeting >> announce? October. Okay. I like I'll go ahead and uh if we can go ahead and do that, that way we get more information, go ahead and make a motion to move this item to the October city council
meeting. >> Second. We have a second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert >> and and if I could do we does somebody have that date off the top of their head like I'd like to put in the motion. So be >> you can speak. What is it?
>> October 9th. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Will the clerk read the the roll call? >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi.
>> Council member Fletcher. I >> council member Paul >> I >> mayor Robertson >> I >> motion carries 5-0. >> Thank you sir. >> All right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on any item on the
consent agenda? Any other item other than item number 18? All right. And can we go ahead and get a motion? >> Motion to approve the consent agenda. >> We have a motion to approve the consent agenda from council member Urban. >> And that would be minus minus items 1
and 18. >> Minus number >> minus items one and 18. >> All right. >> Second. >> Second from council member uh Fletcher. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul.
>> I. >> Council member Irvin. I, >> Mayor Robertson. >> I >> motion carries 5-0. >> All right. Thank you all for showing up today. >> Yes, >> sir. We can wait till the room clears to move
forward. >> Yeah, I called on you. >> The turn the seat was turned back. >> Skip back. All right. Can we go ahead and uh move the conversation to the outside of the council chambers, please? >> All right. Next up is citizens forum.
Any person who desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided an opportunity to address the city council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or soon as is practical thereafter the person addresses the council. First off, we
have Draven Moore. >> He was the biggest loser in the water gun battles. >> He was on your team. Can I get your name and address for the record? >> Draven Moore, 3855 Santa Cidro Circle,
St. Cloud, Florida 34772. Hello, city council and mayor. Um, I appreciate you allowing me the time to speak today. I want to start by saying how much I appreciate Chief Gerky
and bringing the police explorers program. If it wasn't for chief and the community engagement you uh engagement officers who run the program, I wouldn't have had this opportunity to learn and it's been an awesome experience so far.
I'd like to thank Officer Taylor, Officer George, Sergeant Wright, Detective Facade, and all the other explorers. I've learned a lot about what police officers do and how important it is to connect with the community. One of my
favorite moments was joining the officers for a series of water gun fights with different groups of kids within our community. It was a lot of fun, but I was also it was also about showing the younger kids that police are
people they can laugh with, talk to, and trust. The bonds we built during that and other events really showed me what the program is all about. I also want to thank the
city council members who came out and joined these events. city. Um, thank you, Councilwoman Paul, Deputy Mayor Gilbert, and Mayor Robertson. It means a lot to know you support what we're doing. Thanks again
to the chief, the department, and everyone who helped make this program possible. Without that, I would have a with that I have a small gift for the chief from myself and my fellow
explorers for leading such a caring team and community. Chief, I present this to you. >> I thought you were going to throw a water balloon at me. Ding. That was so much fun. Uh, you had
the biggest gun out there. I think that thing was >> Wow. >> Yeah. We'll get with you. >> Yeah, that was not my um shining moment at that that first water gun battle
right out of the gate. Anybody check on that little girl? if she was okay. Tripped me up. She went all over the place. All right. Next up, we have Alyssa Williams. I think Alyssa might have left with the other group. It's uh regarding tobaccof
free parks. Are they left? Okay. All right. And would anyone else in the audience like to speak on any item not on the agenda? Okay, that's it with assistance form. Our next section will be public hearings.
And will the clerk please read public hearing number one, public hearing for resolution number 2025-100R, a resolution of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. Amending resolution number 2024-120R
which adopted the fiscal year 2024 2025 budget for the city of St. Cloud. Finding the city manager has certified there are prior year fund balances and/or current revenues available in the budget for additional projects and programs in various funds not included
in the original budget. requiring the budget to be increased to include said additional funding in the various funds and making supplemental appropriations within the funds. Jeff Cooper, finance director. This is budget amendment number five of fiscal
year 2425. Uh as indicated, the city manager is certified funds are available to appropriate for the following projects. uh a total of 8,112,000 in revenue from intergovernmental transfers and and the same amount in
expenditures to repay the 2024 Florida Government Finance Commission loan. Uh that was the loan taken for um 10 million for the 17th Street ball fields and the remaining for the Progress Lane
property. Uh so $10 million was already budgeted. So, this is the remaining $8,112,000 to repay that loan. We will be receiving our debt proceeds of $85 million in approximately three weeks. It's been
approved. Wells Fargo won the bid and so those funds are forthcoming. Uh so that is in the debt service fund and then the capital project fund is actually transferring the money to the debt service fund to repay that debt.
a total of 120,000 in revenue from prior year fund balance and expenditures for machinery and equipment for two new police vehicles for uh two additional school resource officers to be hired in the forthcoming fiscal year. We like to get the vehicles ordered as soon as we
can. So the vehicles will be there when um the staff um come on board. And finally, a total of 450,000 in revenue for dumpster fees and 950,000 in landfill fees uh non city. Uh this is
for the purchase of an additional side loader, additional vehicle maintenance costs, and additional charges for supplemental hauling uh as well as staff overtime and related benefits for the October 2024 hurricane. And this is the sanitation fund.
And we staff are recommending approval of resolution 2025-100R and we're requesting city council approval. And that is all. Any questions? >> All right. >> Pretty straightforward this one.
>> Thank you, Jeff. Yes. Um, do we have any comments from council? Uh, and would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? And can I get a motion from council? >> Motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve from council member Irvin. >> Second. >> A second from council member Fletcher.
Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. Motion carries. 5. Thank you very
much. >> Our next section will be the council action. >> And number one's off, right? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Will the clerk please read item number two or Yep. Item number two. Request council's approval for the
reduction of a code enforcement lean filed in the amount of $120,592.90 and acred fines to $48,785.80 to be paid within 30 days of the council meeting. >> And Mr. Mayor, I will just introduce
this item for you. You'll recall you have seen this item before on a previous request for reduction of lean for this property located on Lavender Way. uh just uh and at that time the city council requeded a request to reduce the $120,592.90
fine uh to 24,329290. So uh at that time you rejected that request. Uh the property justice set the stage the property is in currently compliance with all city codes of city staff is reviewed. the owner of this property who owns other properties within the city are in
compliance on all their other properties. There aren't any code violations existing on any other properties within the city. Uh but with that being said, uh the applicant has has made another request and they are present here today and we'll allow them to address and explain what they'd like to do tonight.
>> All right. Would the applicant like to speak on this? >> Uh yes, sir. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, fellow commissioners, city attorney. Thank you for your description of where we are. >> Can we get your name and address for the record? >> My name is Mickey Grindstaff. I'm an
attorney with the law firm of Shutzen Bowen, Orlando, Florida, 300 South Orange Avenue, Sweet 1600. Here tonight on behalf of THR Florida Limited Partnership, a wholly owned subsidiary
of Invitation Homes. I um we're not we're not I can't say we're pleased to be here because we're embarrassed to be here. Um we take full responsibility for the situation that we find ourselves in. Uh
how did how did we get here? Well, uh specifically, embarrassingly, we botched the permitting process. We botched the inspection process um having to do with some air condition
and air conditioning machinery or equipment for a a home that was rented to not but one but two tenants during the process of this of this saga. We um to that end I would like to
explain some facts to you and and and and respectfully make the request that's outlined in our packet. We um we relied on a third party vendor to our detriment. We're not pushing it. We're just telling you what happened. We
have a third party vendor that manages a number of properties throughout the United States. The third party vendor uh was responsible for connecting with and managing contractors and subcontractors.
Um that process did not go as we would have liked. the the situation was um further complicated with the presence of two tenants during the process of of
um of a couple couple of years. Uh and even though the even after the repairs were properly completed, um the process was further complicated
by failing to call for a final inspection. And then when we did realize that the final inspection had not been called for, we called for the final inspection and the permit that had been
obtained late had expired. So it it's a it's a real cluster. We're not proud of it. We um we take full responsibility for it. But we'd like to point out that even
though we missed the mark in a big way for permitting and inspection process, we did not ignore the problem. The problem with the air conditioner was addressed and it was we had one piece of equipment sometimes referred to as a
limit, but we we kept addressing the problem. And and I think it's very very important to point out that make sure it wasn't me. It's very very important to point out that um
we had no negative impact on any neighbor. We had no negative impact on the neighborhood. We had a negative impact on our relationship with the tenant. And and what's even worse, we had a negative impact on our reputation with the city
of St. Cloud. We are in the city of St. Cloud. We're thrilled to be here. Uh we're in Oyola County, Central Florida. We're thrilled to be here. Um this is this is an embarrassing situation and uh
um our proposal uh to reduce the the lean from 120,000 and change to 24,392 was rejected earlier this year. And uh we even though it was re recommended for
approval by the special magistrate and the city manager and um tonight we're we're here proposing to double um that proposal to 48,000 and change on 128 $120,000 code
enforcement lean which in my experience and I know that it's my experience doesn't matter but my experience that is a a large um concession on a code enforcement lean and um we are respectfully requesting that you approve
our request tonight and um reduce the lean to the 48,785.80 as um outlined in in our proposal and um and as recommended for approval. I'm here to answer any questions as best I can
and all Sorry, I didn't I failed to introduce um Brittany Ecker here from imit imitation homes. Uh imitation homes is a publicly traded company,
large company. They're holy owns. They are the parent of THR Florida LP and I failed to mention that early on, but um we're here to answer any questions we might be able to address for you.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh, city attorney. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I looked my line, but I will point out that on the screen that reference on the first lean request, that was actually 20% of the original fine. It says 10%, but that that screen is incorrect. First offer was 20%, the current offer
is 40%. >> Thank you, uh, Deputy Mayor, >> sir. I I certainly appreciate, uh, your honesty and and coming up and talking to us. 481 days is a long time. I blink my eye and the year goes by. But I I I get
it. But I'm glad that you cured this situation. Uh I'm a big proponent of uh leans and not discounting them. I truly believe that you put the effort forth and I truly believe by you giving us another uh option of uh of doubling the
lean. I think that's in good faith. Uh I know you have additional properties here in St. Cloud Nill area. I would hope this would be a oneoff and um that's all I have and I yield back to you, Mayor. >> Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Council Member Urban. >> Yeah, I agree with the deputy mayor. I I was one of the ones that spoke out on this. I I I didn't feel like it was um appropriate at the last uh time this came up to to grant the reduction, but I
do appreciate you being here and I appreciate you speaking. Uh it means a lot to us and our community and the residents. Um so I would I would be okay with this. I'd make a motion for approval. >> All right, we have a motion from Council Member Urban for approval. >> Second.
>> Second from Council Member Paul. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5-0.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much, mayor. Thank you all commissioners. >> Thank you. All right. The next items on the agenda are are ordinances before the council for first reading and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for final hearing. The council
will not take final action on this item tonight. Full presentations and public input on the ordinances will occur at final hearing at which the council will consider final action. Will the clerk please read item number one? >> First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-54,
an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 61.698 698 acres identified as city parks resoning
project number ZMA25-00006 from P professional to O open space recreation located at 1104 Lakeshore Boulevard 317 Delaware 300 Georgia Avenue and 120113 Street providing for entering the designation of the official
zoning map filing of the planning commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective When the I guess we're the applicant on this. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> All right. Would council like to speak on this item. >> Motion to approve.
>> We have a motion from Council Member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Fletcher. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I.
>> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. Motion carries 5-0. >> Two people. So, uh, will the clerk please read item number two? >> First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-55,
an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. Specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 24 317 acres
identified as Stephanie Lee Rothstein Memorial Park reszoning project number ZMA25-00008 from Agriculture to O Open Space Recreation located at 2701 Missouri Avenue providing for entering the designation on the official zoning map
filing of the planning commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective All right. Would anyone from council would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Anyone from council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second.
>> Second from Council Member Fletcher. >> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. I. >> Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 5-0.
>> Will the clerk please read item number three? >> First reading an introduction for ordinance number 2025-56, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map, the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. Specifically changing the zoning designation of
approximately plus minus 0.118 acres identified as RML road reszoning project number ZMA25-00009 from R-1A single family dwelling to O opensp space recreation generally located on the southeast corner of Romo Road in eastern avenue providing for entering the designation on the official
zoning map filing the planning commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective date. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item >> and councel? >> Motion approved. >> Motion approved. Deputy mayor. >> Second. >> Second from council member Gilbert. I'm
sorry. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Motion. Second. Council member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. I. Motion. Motion
carries 5. Will the clerk please read item number five? Five. Four. All right. >> First read an introduction for ordinance number 2025-57, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning
map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically change in the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 0.97 acres identified as Canary Park reszoning project number ZMA25-000010 from R2 single and two story and two
family dwelling to O open space recreation located 901 Virginia Avenue providing for entering the design designation on the zoning official zoning map of the filing of the planning commission and recommendation proof of publication severability and effective eight
>> and anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and council >> motion to approve. >> We have a motion from council member Iran. >> Second. >> Second from council member Fletcher. >> Ma. >> Will the clerk please call the role?
>> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. Motion carries 50- 0. >> Will the clerk please read item number
five? >> First reading, introduction for ordinance number 2025-59, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation of
approximately plus minus 1.95 acres identified as DMI business park phase 2 project number ZMA25-00005 from R-1A single family dwelling to I1 industrial located at 1505 Orange Avenue providing
for entering the designation on the official zoning map filing of the planning commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective Eight. >> Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? >> And do we have a motion? >> Motion. >> Motion from Council Member Paul.
>> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. >> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I.
>> Motion carries. 5-0. Will the clerk please read uh please read item number six into the record. >> First reading an introduction for ordinance number 2025-61 and ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus
- 9.04 04 acres identified as Grace Community Church Project number ANX25-000017 generally located north of East Erllo Bronson Memorial Highway East of Nova Road south of Lake Lizzy Drive and west of Bradley Drive in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of
chapter 171.044 Florida statutes. >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item >> and council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Fletcher. >> Will the clerk please call the role?
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries. 5-0. >> Will the clerk please read item number seven into the record?
>> First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-62. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, assigning the future land use designation to approximately plus minus 9.04 acres, identified as Grace Community Church, project number CPA 25-00007,
generally located north of East Earlo Bronson Memorial Highway, east of Nova Road, south of Lake Lizzy Drive and west of Bradley Drive from Community Center County to Community Center City. providing for amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan, filing of the planning commission
recommendation and proof of publication, applicability and effect, severability, copies on file and effective date. >> And anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and council >> motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban >> second.
>> Second from council member Paul. Will uh will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. Council member Paul, >> I. >> Council member Irvin, >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> I. >> Mayor Robertson, >> I. >> Motion carries 5.
>> Will the clerk please read item number eight into the record? >> First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-63, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation of
approximately plus minus 9.04 04 acres identified as Grace Community Church project number ZMA25-000011 from CCP Community Center perimeter county to CCP Community Center perimeter city generally located north of East Earlo Bronson Memorial Highway Nova Road
and south of Lake Lizzy Drive and west of Bradley Drive providing for entering the designation on the official zoning map filing of the planning commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective date. Right. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item
and council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. >> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi.
>> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5-0. Will the clerk please read item number nine? >> First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-64, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St.
Cloud Florida amending chapter 3 performance and citing standards of the land development code by amending article 15 titled supplemental regulations by amending section 3.15.12 classifi classification of annex land
identified as LDC table of classified lands update project number CCA25-00004 providing for severability scrier's error conflict administrative correction codification publication and an effective date.
>> And anyone in the audience like to speak on this item >> and council direction. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from council member Paul. >> Will the clerk please call the role?
>> Council member Irvin. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Roberts. >> I. Motion carries 5-0. >> And will the clerk please read item number 10 into the record?
>> First reading an introduction for ordinance number 2025-65 and ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida amending chapter 3 performance and setting standards of the land development code by adding a new article titled article 12 urban infill centers identified as
urban infill centers LDC update project number CCA25-00005 providing for urban infill center standards and also include severability scriers error conflict administrative correction codification publication and an effective date.
>> Anyone in the audience? Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item >> and direction from councel? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Gilbert. I'm sorry, Council Member Fletcher. Second from Council Member Urban. >> Second. >> Will the clerk please call the role?
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Irvin. I. >> Mayor Robertson. I. >> Motion carries 5.
Thank you. What is this uh sec grant program? Is that we that was on the consent? >> I think that I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Um I was going to discuss that during my time. >> Oh, okay. Let me fast forward here. >> All right. City attorney, do you have
anything for us? >> Just one quick comment. Uh, and um, kind of following up to what Mr. Carmony discussed about the Senate Bill 180. Um, I'm not sure I necessarily agree with his comment regarding how this is going
to impact the city and specifically related to the city's mobility fees, but I will tell you that our office is looking at it. As you know, our mobility fees were increased recently as part of a joint study with the with Oyola County. We've been in very close contact with the county attorney. uh and looking
at this issue to see if it's going to have any impact on the city's mobility fees which were increased during the period of time that that co that new bill applies to. So, um we'll keep you apprised of what happens there. Right now, we don't think it's going to have an impact on it, but uh there is some
potential litigation that may be filed in the state that might resolve that issue. And of course, if it does and it's not favorable to the city, then we'll have to deal with it. Uh but um um we'll just keep you apprised of what happens. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir.
>> Deputy mayor, >> you're still sharp and it's your birthday. >> Happy birthday, my friend. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Happy birthday, Dad. >> 21. >> Exactly. A lot of years ago, I was 21. >> And his anniversary with the city.
>> It's his anniversary with the city, >> actually. Yeah. Wait, it is >> 28. >> 20. We'll be start they just finished 28. We'll be starting our 29th year tomorrow. >> Wow. >> Thank you for your service. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Uh city manager.
>> Thank you. Um the packet that you just held up originally, um I was hoping to tell you that we were having we had been notified to apply for that grant, but uh since it was printed and put on the DIS, the police chief just notified me that
it's no longer an option. So, um, we we lost that opportunity at no fault of our own. It's just the >> So, we're not going to build a public safety complex now. >> Um, >> that's a shame because Yeah, it sounded good that this
>> Okay. >> Um, further, I mean, that even sounded like it could be a a great request for appropriations. I don't know if they approved those types of items, but it it it looked like a good project. Um, also, um, we needed to bring up to the city
council. I had, um, been notified by code enforcement about an issue in a subdivision that was recently annexed. Um, we have a resident who was just annexed who was compliant
with the county code because they had an exemption for 4. Um, unfortunately our code as written um did not give them the ability to do that on their property. So, um, I'm looking for direction from
the council for us to do a complete dive into the code for possible revisions and to hold off on to continue holding off on code enforcement until that is complete. >> We just need direction. >> Deputy Mayor, I I don't I don't know.
Um, and I I know we're talking hindsight now and and I understand the the the chicken issue and the 4 and and we support that and if you look at our county, it is based on 4 and and farmers and and all that. Uh, and then we have we're having other issues with
annexations of code changes um, our codes versus as we annex. I don't know and this is a big ask but can we get ahead of that before we annex and see what's going on and see if there is any codes or something so
be to give to be in front of it I guess what I'm trying to say I don't know how I'm not answering that question but I I think as we annex more we'll have more of those uh situations unique situations but there are still situations so uh mayor I don't have an answer for that I
just like to request with you and the council kind to look into being in front of these uh um difference in codes and how how we adapt them either grandfathering him or rewriting or something such as that. >> Yeah, maybe prior to our next annexations, we can look into that. But
I think on this particular issue, I I agree with the the city manager on this. I I've got numerous phone calls and information regarding the chicken issue. Um and I don't know if y'all have seen the letters from the neighbors in support. Of course, there's one that's
not u. I I just don't know that there's enough information to make a determination yet. You know, we annex these people in from the county where they're allowed to have as many chickens and we have the restrictions, but um you know, these are these are 4 kids and I
know that that's a large amount of chickens, but um I I think there's some compromise that that can be made there um before we make a decision. So, uh, I know we've spoken with a number of people in the agriculture community and through the 4 and and they're they're um
providing their insight as well. So, >> yes, go ahead and let's move forward on uh getting more information then we'll bring it back. >> Yeah, we'll be working on the code and we can take into account M deputy mayor's comments too when we look into that.
>> And then, um, the last thing that I wanted to point out, we did a press release on it, but I I still think it was a really big deal. So, I wanted to point out that we recently got our bond ratings and we went up two levels, which was a lot of work um on the part of
staff to get there. The questions that we were asked, they looked at what how we had improved our turnover rates. They looked at our use of prior year fund balance. They looked at the capital projects we've been working on. Um it it was it was a it was a very deep dive
into all of our practices, into our procedures, our policies. Um, and I just wanted to to say it was it was a lot of work on behalf of the entire city staff in all the different departments, but especially the finance department. So, that was it. Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> I'm sorry. >> Oh, and I'm sorry. I'm We did have a a big swearing in, but I would like to um he's not looking at, but we have a new police um department deputy chief, Jacob Ruiz, who's here today.
>> Yes. Welcome. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations being a sworn in. >> All right, Council Member Paul. >> All right, so I do have a list of stuff. Um, bear with me. Um, this week school started back for OciOla County and I
want to say I did attend a back to school um at Hopkins Park which was nice. I believe they had over 400 some book bags. Um there was definitely a crowd out and um want to say thank you to all the sponsors and the vendors that
were out there and also Stephanie Gilbert who is very passionate about Hopkins Park. Um she everything she does around Hopkins Park she puts her heart into it. Um and so for people to get behind her um I think that is a
beautiful thing. Um there were a few residents um regarding some of the po public hearing notices that they received um had concerns. I do have those noted, but I also want to encourage residents to attend these meetings that pertain to these um
hearings that they get notices for, which is important. Um secondly, um Hawkins Park again, they do community meetings and I want to see if we as a city could um help do a better job with
communicating things um to the residents over there. Um there was also frustration this past weekend where some of the residents feel like um Hopkins Park has been that way for quite some time now. And those who grew up in the
area know Hopkins Park has looked like that since the early 70s and the frustration is definitely out there. Um, and so if we can do a better job with communicating, we had one resident thought Hopkins Park was on hold for
another 3 years and I'm not sure where they get their information from, but I know um David Bridle is also at these community meetings. Council member Urban was there Wednesday as well sharing the information. So to keep information accurate and clear, I think if we can
start sharing more um what's going on so that way residents know that they're not being forgotten about um over in that community. And last week I had a meeting with a concerned resident regarding the city code and it's also the packet that
deputy mayor Gilbert um put together, Sandra put together for all of us. Um I think a workshop is needed on that for further discussion. And I would like to um I brought this idea up to um the city
manager and deputy may um city manager Dave um Scott about a Hopkins Park site landmark. Um the history is there um for this particular um site and I would like to um get consensus on moving forward to
doing the application. I think um I know after speaking with the city manager, she said that they've never done this particular um marker before and I've worked with um some of the people who was familiar with um the history on
Hopkins um to provide the research. So I don't think we need to use our consultant and pay her for something that we already have the information on. I've done it before for um my home church in Narusi, so I know the process
and um Rep. Stark who is also um done many of them. I would collaborate if I need any assistance as well, but I would like to get consensus on getting that application started and then the status update on the lease. >> Really quick, so you were asking for
that that you be allowed to do the application and work on it. >> Yes. >> Okay, sure. We we would love that assistance because staff has never done these applications. >> Save money. That's goal. >> Yeah. Paul has done Main Street has done all the markers that that we have in the
city. So, we would appreciate the help. >> All right. Status update on the lease agreement for Krabby Bills. Um I we received emails um this week from a um concerned um business owner and would
like to um you know have a discussion on that. So >> Council Member Urban. >> Yeah, I'd like to speak. I I I received that email as well as I'm sure all of us did. Um and and you know, while I appreciate
um what Krabbies has contributed to the community, to our city and their employees, I still remain um committed to my belief in we need to go in a new direction with the Marina
building. Um, so I it's my understanding that um we had negotiated in good faith with them and sent them a um lease extension for was it two years and they haven't signed it yet. >> It's well it's actually a it's actually a five-year extension. However, it has a
one-year termination clause in it at any time. >> Right. So I I I think they've had more than enough opportunity to uh review that and sign it. And I just I do believe um we we've spent all these years um you know and and we appreciate
the contributions that the business has had in the community and and all the employees, but we um we just need to look at going in a different direction uh with the Marina building in a building that I believe is being underutilized. But that's just my view on it. Would love to continue discussion
with the council. >> Mayor, may I have a comment on? >> Yes, sir. Deputy Mayor. >> Uh so, uh Mr. Urban, are you asking to retract that uh extension? >> It was my understanding that we had to offer them that extension and get
>> So I and I think the city manager sent an email out today basically giving you a little bit of a timeline. The contract has a provision in it that says we when the lease expires and it expires in March of 2026, I believe that we have to
negotiate in good faith. Um based on the previous direction of the council staff, I was involved in some of the negotiation with at least some of the discussions with staff. We submitted a letter of intent to the tenant a while ago to basically as I said pointed out
to allow for a fiveyear extend five-year extension of the existing lease with an option for another five years. However, the city would add a special condition whereby the city could terminate the lease upon one year notice. All right.
So, we submitted that to them. Uh, we never got a formal rejection. They never accepted it. There were some discussions back and forth a little bit between Mrs. Miller and their representative and so we never got a response. So my after discussing it, my recommendation was to
resubmit the letter of intent to them and basically say this is the direction we've received from council and either tell us you're good with it or tell us you're not and then we'll move in a in a different direction if you're not. So that's where we sit tonight.
>> Oh yeah. >> So So Dan, we're we're talking about a renegotiated lease. I'm just trying to get my wrap my hands around this my head around it. Uh and and we're giving them a price per square foot and and and because it's in good faith. We're because I believe the last lease was
below market value. I I truly do when I did my research. Are we bringing it to market value? I'd still negotiate in good faith, but that's prime real estate and that's a prime location. And I think as we grow, I've had a lot of citizens asking about an upscale restaurant in
that area overlooking. So when we extended it and and well I'm sorry. So remember the way this process works all staff can do is make is basically get with the tenant and say this is what we are willing to recommend. It's obviously the council's final call about whether
the rent amount the term all that whether you want to do that. There was a study as I understood done back in 2024 maybe when we originally did this. It's been a little while. It's been a while. I'm not sure. >> But and that and the rental amount that was in the letter of intent was
consistent with that study. And I believe it was somewhere around seven $7,800. >> I think I think the lease that we had had also restrictions on how much we could increase it. So there there was that also, >> right? And of course the and the the
bigger issue from the staff's perspective was the previous direction of the council that we may have want a different direction with regard to that building and what's there. So we didn't want to lock in too long-term release because we want to give flexibility. If that's the direction you moved, then
we'd be able to uh we we believe the one-year term staff's position was or at least thought was the city would know well in advance at least a year ahead of what its plans were being. So that would we'd be able to say, okay, on this date,
this is our plan. We'll give them a year notice and then we'll work through the planning step. It's going to take a little bit of time to get a new business in there, wherever you want to do with the building. So that was it. So we more interested, Mr. Gilbert in in the in the ability to get out of the lease agreement quickly because we figured
that's what the council want and then at the same time continue to have some revenue coming in as long as we had a business in there. >> I I believe that to be true, Councilman Urban, is that your thoughts there also? >> Yeah, I would agree with that. I like the the one-year um option that the city
would have to give one year because like um we said we've done some studies on uh some options and what we can do with the building and um once we have that ready to go, I think we need to to move on that. It's a um beautiful city asset
that we have and um I I think that it's just time to move in a different direction. to to dot my eyes and cross my tees. Are we looking at one-year extension from signature or a one-year extension from uh expiration of lease? >> Well, let me let me clarify that. So,
the lease agreement would have a initial term of five years, right? However, there would be a condition in it that said at any time anytime the city could exercise an option to terminate that
lease on one-year notice. So, you could I'll be frank. You could enter into into the lease agreement. You could approve it. You could approve it agent meeting in next next next month and then decide in October. We we figured out another plan and you
could give notice in October that you're going to terminate the lease you just extended and give them one year to terminate it. And I don't and and frankly I don't think from their perspective I don't think that works in their in in their business model. uh for
operation of that. They were looking for a longer term commitment from that they can be in their space which makes sense as a business >> because they wanted to make improvements to the kitchen. So they needed it to make financial sense to make those improvements to the kitchen. >> Well, thank you for the clarification
and if they took as much time to renovate the kitchen as they did their sign, then I'm in agreeance with council member Urban. All right. We weren't voting on anything on that. >> Well, no. I think Paul just wanted to have more of a discussion on it and and
um and I think Mrs. Miller's email to you today basically said if you don't want to change course, this is what we're going to do. And so we would send out a revised letter of intent and basically give them a time period to respond.
So I just need to know are we are we which course are we taking >> staying that course or something different? Council member Urban, >> my vote is to stay the course, but one of five
>> and that just for clarification, stay the course meant moving forward with the with um the the shortened lease, >> the letter of intent that includes the ability to get out of the lease agreement with upon one year's notice. >> Is there a timetable that they need to
sign this letter of intent? >> Uh we would suggest give them about 30 days to respond. >> Perfect. Okay. So, I did I did see Councilman Urban um Gilbert, Deputy Mayor Gilbert and the um Councilman Fletcher nodding
earlier uh to state the course. >> Again, this is just a letter of intent. If they agree to it, then it has to come back in front of the city council for an amendment. >> All right, Council Member Urban, still your floor. >> You mean me? >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you I thought you had finished up and I thought he was
just jumping in. >> No. So, um the after program for Hopkins Park, um I had a few parents that reached out um in concern of the fee schedule that they are being um I guess will be charged. Um some of the parents
do have difficulties of hardship being able to afford um this program, especially if they have multiple kids. So, my um request is if we could revisit the um fee schedule for the afterchool program. I know before there were um the
program was at no cost. Um so would like to revisit that. >> Uh Council Member Fletcher. >> Um I've had the the same conversations and um um I would be in favor of of taking it back to the way it was. We see
if we could find somewhere in the budget um where we wouldn't have to charge um those enrollment fees for those students out there. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Uh this is a a very u near and dear to my heart but also a touchy subject because uh we do
want to have the ability if people can't afford that amount or any amount to be able to sponsor it some way through the CGDB or you know get one of these sponsors of of one of the businesses here and be able to recognize him as a
sponsor for the summer program. Uh my issue and again I I I wish it could be free but I wish it could be free for all summer camps. >> Is this the after school? >> Yeah after school. Okay. So it's throughout most of the year. >> Yeah. Throughout most of the year but
there are after school programs and also summer camp programs that are are are um fee oriented around the city. >> Other areas that are feet oriented programs >> like is that boys and girls club? Oh, not the boys and girls club. I'm just
one for sure is the summer uh the summer uh club and I don't know if they have after school at the civic center. >> We don't have after school at the civic center, but we do over the summer have a a summer camp that we charge for. >> Right. And I'm I'm just trying to figure
it out if if it's and I I my first idea is sponsorship for those with recognition and our Hopkins facility uh on four or five placements and uh and I'm just trying to think out of the box,
but I I truly agree with the you Miss Paul of uh offering programs to those folks. I just figure out the the dynamics of it all. >> How we pay for it. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thing. I think it's >> it's a great it's phenomenal. >> Uh count.
>> So, one question I have to ask. Were there any grants associated with the program for um for it to be set at no cost? I mean, >> previously there there was not um CDBG
was contributing money to the summer camp um but but there was not for this. I did ask that question though. if CDBG could take this. Um because the good thing about CDBG is then they they can verify income levels and and verify that
people need it. Um we don't have enough in the CDBG to cover it for this year um without well the the money that we have available is is for the summer camp this following
summer. So, I I asked is that money enough to to cover the the the fees during the year, and it is not. I I will also point out that the majority of the people do um live close by, but we did verify uh based on addresses, there are a couple county residents that go there.
And then I think there was two people that lived on Lakeshore that that also were using this. >> Just just additional information for you. >> I think um city manager, we've discussed this. I think uh with the existing building we continue on. I think we're
we're going to be tearing that down and building a new facility here in the next year. I don't know. You had the timeline, you addressed that. Is that >> is that what you told the res the residents? >> Well, we hope to get started by uh early
uh 2026, right? I always hope to do the groundbreaking then. Um at least that's what the timeline is. But yes. >> Okay. Um I would support that at least in under in under the current situation the conditions there I think we just go ahead and let that free admission for
now free uh after school. >> That was consensus. >> Last thing um want to say thank you to the St. Cloud PD for collaborating with a community well will be a community town hall on safety during traffic
stops. um I think it's necessary and um look forward to participating with that and um once again thank you for collaborating to make this happen. Um it will be on September 25th at 6 p.m. I did get word that it will be at the
marina location, the marina hall. Okay. >> Are you going to be holding the radar gun? Are you going out there? >> So I got to do that. He showed me how to use the radar gun on Old Canoe Creek Road there. And uh >> we were trying to pull people over, you know, >> and thank you to Councilwoman Paul for
the idea, for coming forward with it. And um that that was a great idea. >> Of course, I'm referencing the St. Cloud Citizens Academy and I know they have opened that up. So, anybody out there apply for that because I know it's a great program. I went through it. Um Council Member Paul, anything else? >> I'm done.
>> All right. Council member. Yeah, just uh would like to say I I was at um the community meeting at Hopkins Park last night and had a wonderful time. Great group of people. Um we're all frustrated about the delay in the um on on the uh
groundbreaking for the park. Uh but it's out of our control working with uh with HUD and making sure they u get the lift station in there for the new sewer as well. And it's going to benefit the whole community to do those both at once. So, I appreciate everybody's patience and we can't wait to get that
started. Uh, and also the the back to school bash out at Hopkins Park. I didn't get a chance to go. Uh, but um just an amazing event every year. Um, just a big shout out to all the parks and recck staff, all the volunteers, and
especially Stephanie Gilbert. She just does so much out there to make sure those events go off. So, huge uh huge thank you to that. Um also the um upcoming workshop this Thursday I won't be here in person but I will be coming
in virtually on teams hopefully. So uh apologize for that. I did want to ask on on future workshops. I know we said we wanted to start doing them in the morning but the third Thursday at 9:00 am directly conflicts with my monthly
FMPA meeting that the uh council appointed me to. So I I would have to miss one or the other meetings if can we move those meetings back to the afternoon or or at some other time if that's okay with the council. >> Yeah, if it's later in the afternoon. I
I know I've got those same days. My my um Ocula chamber, right? Third Thursday. Is that is that what we we have? >> It is currently. >> Yeah, the third Thursday. That's >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Zeli knows. Was is it in 12
o'clock? They start >> yeah 11:30 to 1:30. >> Okay. So I can be back if it's till 1:30. I can be back here by two and we used to start them at like 3 or 3:30 or something like that. Okay. >> I think we used to at 3. >> We can go back to that if y'all like. >> I see I see the
>> 3:00 third Thursday. >> I'm here. >> For the record, this upcoming workshop this Thursday, I'm good with nine o'clock, but starting maybe in September if we could do afternoons. >> Is that the one you're going to be on the phone call? >> Yes. Okay. and and we have um
Representative Stark scheduled to be at that one. So, if we could keep the same time because I don't know if she would be available in the afternoon. >> All right. Thank you. And Council Member Fletcher, >> um I was just going to echo the same comments that have already been said. Um had the opportunity to uh go to the back
to school bash and like everyone said, it was absolutely amazing um out there. So, thank you to staff Stephanie Gilbert and everybody um involved. That's all I have there. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> I'm just going to pass these out just to
look at I'll get copies, but we were talking about it earlier about the percentage of mobile fees. So, if you look at the circled area, each of our different percentages of mobile fees, not percentages of dollars, but I just the spread is 51 to 14. And to do that,
it seems like uh some of the developers are getting more mobility fees than others. I don't I don't know the math on that, but it just it just jumped right out at me to to do that. So, I just wanted you all to look at that if you could please for me and then I'll have
copy sent. It was in the backup of the packet just so so you have that for your knowledge because I know we talked about it but I did not provide that during the meeting and I apologize for that. Uh we had an incident come up in in the swimming um pool area uh for dis
disabled and u we had changed fees because we had uh out of county versus uh I'm sorry out of city versus county and we raised our fees accordingly. Of course costs have gone up. We had an inquiry and I think uh councilwoman Paul actually reached out and I don't know if she's heard back. I reached out also and
I have not heard back but I would like the council to consider u some kind of uh fee wave uh waiver for disability uh folks and I don't know how we do the checking of the disability but I do have the history there are nine in 2023 24
passes for swimming there was 15 in 202425 and three for 2526 uh I belong to the freedom ride in in Orlando and we provide horses for vets that have brain damage and down syndrome and things like that. The therapy is
phenomenal and I I feel the same way for disabled and swimming. So, I'd like the pleasure of the council to think about a fee waving for for disabled uh citizens of St. Cloud to be able to utilize our our swimming pool and that that's I'd like to go back to that person and give
them an answer at one point. Um secondly is as as >> can I ask if that was direction because we are bringing forward the fee resolution in September. So if there is direction we can put that in the fee resolution for September. >> Uh that is to um wave the fees for
disabled for this one. >> I I would agree with that. Yes, that's good. >> Okay. I saw I saw multiple nods. Thank you. Yeah, >> I I think that's one of those inadvertent things that during fee schedule changes the only time we saw that mayor and we wouldn't wouldn't have noticed it until we did a fee change. So, >> and we don't always get it right and
sometimes we got to go back and a little bit >> and I think we did and thank you all for for your consideration of that council. Uh, as as as Miss Paul mentioned, uh, performing and in and sitting standards for article 14 use of regulations section 3145 with alcoholic beverage establishments.
I'd like to set up a workshop in October for that to uh see the codes and code violations and code enforcement of that. We've got in different folks calling us that saying um some are in code, some are in code violation. We do not want to distract from our great downtown and
area, but I think it's going to need to be a fair playing field for all. So, it is it is in this in in the charter and and it is I told you the section and article and I'll have I think I did have copies sent to you. If not, I'll have it sent to each of the council members. But
I think a workshop needs to be done. This is two and a half years, and I've heard about it for about a year and a half now, and I think we need to make some some serious effort towards the solution of that. So, I I don't know how to do it besides bring it up to to you guys.
>> Is there gray area or is it do you think it's a more of a black? >> You know, I wish I glad Dan's here because he gets to correct me all the time. Uh I I I I think some people are are going by the rules and some people aren't.
>> And that's probably a broad view of it. And I just want to make it a perfect fair playing field for all because as you know to run a business there's a lot of additional costs and certain license and permits cost you additionally. Certain insuranceances cost you
additionally for those license and permits. I'd like that to be the same. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> All good. >> And I I'll make sure I get the uh the section section 3145
uh of our codes, but I'll make sure you all get copies of that if that's okay. >> Last thing I had a great conversation with the mayor of CMI and they're in and u I think is San Juan, Puerto Rico right now, mayor. Was it San where there? >> Oh, I don't remember.
>> Okay. What they do is they take the excess of um equipment we have here in the states and sell it to them at a discounted rate for humanitarian reasons and also for reasons of we have obsolete vehicles and things like that. I don't know how to do it. Uh I know Dana told
me we had done that before in the past in the years past with some fire trucks or something. >> I don't remember exactly what it was a long time ago. But your provision of your in the procurement policy allows for any item that is declared surplus to
be auctioned or donated to another u governmental entity. >> Okay. >> Uh and and it it's obviously been expanded to be another governmentality within the United States and obviously Puerto Rico is part of the United States. So you could we could go in that
that direction if that's if that's the council's intent. I I just know that we do we should be doing humanitarian things when we can, especially with uh things we are not in use of anymore and and are going to get rid of it and to help other communities. And as you know, Puerto Rico's got hit pretty hard with
hurricanes and over the past few few years and could use to help. >> Yeah. And and I'll add before the city manager. Um, that's fantastic. >> Now that you say that, I think allowing them to purchase it, you know, somebody that that's in need of of this type of equipment other than a private entity, I
think that's a good thing. City manager. >> Well, so so I was going to say we have to look closely about whether they actually can purchase it. Yeah. >> Um they certainly can pay for the expense associated with obviously depending on what we're talking about there's going to be some expense in getting it to them you know or getting
it to wherever getting it to the island basically. >> So we can certainly work through those but we're >> talking about making money. >> What what had happened Dan is is that they had a need they shipped the need down to the city of CMI says yeah we have this this and this. They said we have a budget of this this and this. And
again, I'm very vague on this because there's only one conversation, but the the Puerto Rico would pay for the transportation from Jacksonville to the island through shipping process and that's where the port >> Yeah. And I think that's appropriate. But the way the policy it has to be donated to it, but I don't I think
donate means you can't just flat out sell it to them, but they can pay for the cost of transportation or getting it there. >> So, we'll have to we'll look into it. It's a great idea. >> Right. I just I I figured help our brothers and sisters. So, With that, I know the school started and
uh I know we don't have a report yet, but I would love to see the camera report and see how great it's going. And thank you very much for the preschool um announcements. I hope it helps. I hope there's no tickets and I just hope everybody's safe this year and and I appreciate what you guys do. I yield
back with you uh to you, mayor, on that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. Um I've just got one thing. Um, I've never really had a heartto-he heart up here, but I do want to kind of go into a little detail on how I got involved with the city of St. Cloud. Uh,
as y'all know, I've had a a high and low relationship with the city. And, uh, the citizens gave me an opportunity to serve them and I'm fortunate for that. And every day I put a lot of 100% of my efforts towards them. And in order to do
so, we as council, we need the cooperation from the folks in city hall. And so when I was elected, I treated that as a fresh start with the city of St. Cloud. Every employee, no matter if they worked here back when
Mr. Sturgeon was here, which, you know, that's a whole other that was a some comments. Um, that didn't matter to me. You know, I had seen many issues in the city. You guys know why I ran. I I'm I grew up in this city. I live in the
city. I love the city. And so when I got elected, uh actually, I'll go back prior to getting elected, I I informed the city manager, and I I've spoken to many of y'all that that starting fresh, I would give this city
leadership the opportunity to show me that that that they're the right person for this and and we're going to be moving forward in a positive direction. So, with that said, um, fast forward, you know, we we start moving along and
and we get to February, as you guys know, we're not going to hash everything back out with what's been going on the past three months. But I will tell you, we have had challenges. I can tell you, I've had challenges in here from day one. And I've been very open and honest about that. And as the mayor, that
concerns me that that there are challenges that I can't always be open and honest with the public about about the things that that uh go on in this building. They they concern me terribly. But, you know, once a month we have meetings and that's when we have an
opportunity to discuss these things. No matter what was being said, what was being done here, I continue moving forward because my goal is to fix the operations of this city and and to get it moving forward to benefit the citizens.
We got thrown way off message um for for the past three months and it that message was not to the benefit of the citizens. It cost the citizens dearly and uh and their tax dollars. And you
know this actually it turns out as you know I started doing more research it started back in February. So this is not it's not just one thing or two things. This is an ongoing um occurrence here and and and we have some serious issues in our city in our city hall.
So, the most concerning to me obviously in the February meeting um and and I had a meeting with the city manager prior to this today for for a few hours actually and and it wasn't an easy meeting. You know, I I care about the people in
this city. I care about the employees. Uh, it breaks my heart to hear the things that are being said here about this council by many employees in this building and the fact that they're not corrected on a daily basis. I believe that the citizens are the leaders in
this community and they elect us to represent them. This is their city hall and when they elect us, they they entrusted us to make decisions to benefit them. And when we are uh
criticized, when we are vilified, when we are sabotaged or we are purposely not given information, that that hurts the citizens, that hurts my community.
And um I can tell you in February that was the worst. I can tell you if you watch the video, it didn't look that bad. But I can tell you looking back at it now, I am so disgusted in that video because we had a situation here that we
we we were played and I was fresh in here. I didn't I didn't know any different. But I don't know what I don't know. And that's what bothers me the most. This is we work on a trust system here. We don't work in day-to-day here. We have meetings once a
month. We have CRA meetings occasionally. We have workshops. But we don't work in this building on a daily basis. But I can tell you these walls talk a lot. They talk to me a lot. I talk to a lot of employees and there are
a lot of employees in this city that are not happy with what's going on in this city or the comments that are being made by city coun by the staff regarding council members. It's not productive for the city. It's it's not it it's it's not
professional and it's um it's got to stop. It's childish because I don't know of any council member here that has done anything to any employee. Now, I love the employees. There's it's and these are more top level directors that are
making comments. Not all of them, but the majority of them are. The problem I have is when we had that meeting up here, I was denied the right to make an informed vote to benefit on behalf of
the citizens. That you know that's our job up here. That's all we have. That is our powers are to vote. So when somebody takes that that right from me and manipulates that right
and I vote in a manner that hurts the citizens to the tune of thousands. It hurt the citizens that decision. And I'm not going to dive deep into that because I'm so bothered by that guys. I I just you know that's
that's where it started. how it played out after that. From February, we get into June, end of May, I'm uh council member uh a council member here said, you know, let let's put a halt to
these proclamations, a temporary pause. Let's figure these things out. And we did it. And we got vilified. We got trashed uh by one of our own. And the the pro the biggest problem I had with that is that it was out in the media in
our city council and our city, our city, we we we work very hard to put a positive message out there very hard and based on every decision we have. But our own city did not come to our defense.
Our own city has a very large public information department. Our city manager has the authority to defend has the obligation and the duty to defend this city and its reputation.
And I I hate to say it, but she didn't. Um and and this isn't going to be a a lashing. This these are just the facts of what we've had to go through. So we get into that. So the moment that and I can tell you council member Urban his
name was thrown out in the Orlando Sentinel and I love these guys and girl. Um I will stick up for them. You know we
we're up here. We we vote on the same information. you know, nobody else in this city is in the the kind of seats that that we're in up here and in the same position where, you know, I feel for him. I didn't like Council Member Urban
taking those hits. So, I strongly stuck my neck out there because I don't mind taking the hits. I don't And plus, there was so many so much wrong that I that I had found. I mean with with with multiple departments, multiple way
things that were going on. So my real issue was every step of the way I didn't get any assistance from this city. I had to do it on my own. My own research, stepping out on a ledge every single
time. Got push back from the one employee that we have. Well, we got with two, but you know, I didn't really talk to Dan too much about it. But we I I had no assistance. So, every time that and as you guys all know, I had to call
special meetings and I got so much backlash. I had staff trashing me. He's I had people on social media. He's wasting taxpayers dollars. I don't believe it wasted a dollar. The lights stay on in this building. Maybe the AC gets turned on when we have meetings, but other than that, directors are paid
salaries. So if directors are here, you know, um it doesn't cost us another dime to find the truth to protect taxpayer dollars. It's worth it. And if anybody in this
city wants to to bash us for protecting taxpayer dollars, I welcome them to come on up to the podium and tell us about it because I think they're wrong. I think our job is exactly that. And when I want to ask a specific
employee questions that I know I get I can get the answers out of or that's the person who could have the answers. I don't expect backlash or push back. The entire two months that I that we had we
were getting trashed in the media. We were getting trashed online. I was we we were having these these meetings. Uh, I hate to call them investigations, but they were we had citizen we had employees up here under oath.
Turns out we weren't getting truthful answers. Good gosh, I don't know what I need to do. We put employees under oath and they still don't tell the truth. That bothers me even more. which tells me we have a serious serious issue
throughout this entire building of staff that doesn't tell the truth, which I had seen. Um, I don't say the majority, but I think it's people at the top. I believe it's its directors, not all, but I
believe I don't believe that integrity is something that is promoted around here. That disturbs me. I know there's councils, city attorney, there are cities that put every council meeting under oath. I don't want to have to do
that. That's not, you know, who who wants to do that. But when I find that that, you know, we can only make decisions based on what we know. So, and I have I have seen staff give misinformation, peace meal information. I mean, heck,
when I was trying to get information on this ranch event, it took me five times and it was peacemeal over and over again. And come to find out, it was outdated information. I was being led astray in so many different directions. I don't know on if on purpose,
but that bothers me even more that we don't have the accurate information on hand. So, I went down this path and as it turns out, I was right. I was right with with everything I went
down. We determined that there was an organization that was kicked off that property improperly, but nobody in this city, higher level of city hall cared, you know.
At what point do we start caring about people in this city hall? That organization we had we had to issue an apology. We did. Why? Based on the work that we had to do because the
employees, our city manager, and like I said, I'm not bashing. I'm laying out the facts of what's occurred here that they didn't stand up and do the research to assist. So I have to do it and you know it's
it's not easy when I I work here. I don't work dayto day in here. I'm one day a month in this you know when we get to meet in here. So I use the resources that are available to me and um and and that's I use my phone. I talk to a lot
of people but I can tell you the information did not come from this building to help me in any way. But as it turns out, I was right. I didn't want to be right. But this city mistreated an organization
to benefit another organization. And and we the citizens were the big losers in this. We're going to make it right with the the the first organization that was pushed off that property. I had this conversation with the city manager today. It was one of the
toughest ones. Um because I told her I would give her an opportunity time and time again and I would let her know if it ever got to that point where where I've hit a wall and there's nowhere else to navigate through to try and and and
add value to the city because I got to tell you, I don't know how I can add value under these conditions that we face right now. We do have a handful of great directors. U I know our public safety top-notch, but we have some serious issues in this
building. I'm not going to go on and on anymore about this, but I I with that being said, I did inform the city manager that I was going to make a motion to terminate her contract at this meeting. So, I'm going to put that motion on the table.
>> And Mr. Mayor, if I may, under your rules of conduct, if you're going to take formal action on an item, you have to there's a two-step process. You have to have a motion to put the item on the agenda and take a vote for that, and then you have to take the vote on the formal action. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you.
>> All right. I would go ahead and I'd like to go ahead and make a motion to add that to the agenda. Make a second. All right, motion dies. Lack for a second. All right, I have it on the record. Um,
city manager, my feelings don't change on this. These are my views on on how this city is operating. I truly expect better for the sake of our citizens
because we're empowered to make decisions for our citizens. And when we get treated in this manner, we're crippled. Our citizens suffer. All right. And that's all I have to add. Next up is our information section.
Thursday, August 21st, 2025, city council workshop, 9:00 a.m. at city hall council chambers. Monday, September 1st, 2025, city offices closed in observance of Labor Day.
Thursday, September 11, 2025, city council meeting, 6:30 p.m. at city hall council chambers. Uh we have the fiscal year 20 uh 2425 business plan report quarter 3 and the reports warrant list number 10 fiscal year 25. And with that
this meeting is adjourned.