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participating in your city government and please silence all electronic devices. And we'll go ahead and call this meeting to order. Madame Clerk, will you please call the role? >> Mayor Robertson >> here. >> And Deputy Mayor Gilbert >> here. >> Council member Paul >> here.
>> Council member Urban >> here. >> Council member Fletcher >> here. >> All right. Well, everyone, please stand for the And I'd like to welcome Pastor Nathan Blackwell from Cornerstone Church. The invocation. May we pray together. Heavenly Father, uh we come before you
with deep gratitude in our hearts for all the amazing blessings that we enjoy that we often take for granted. Thank you for our freedom. Thank you for a country that is being blessed with prosperity. We thank you also, Lord, for people that
are standing in harm's way protecting us. We pray God you'd watch over all of those who are serving us, many on foreign lands. We pray you might keep them safe and bring them back home to their families. I pray, Father, you would uh bless all of our first
responders who watch over our cities and those who especially watch over the city of St. Cloud. We thank you for their service and we pray God you might keep them safe. I pray Lord for our city. Father, you have blessed us. We have
grown in so many challenges but uh so many good things. Thank you God for a great city. Thank you for those who serve on our staff who faithfully uh take care of all the day-to-day business that keeps our city running well. I pray father you might bless each of them and
bless all of their families. I pray especially for our city council tonight. I pray God you might give them wisdom. I pray that they might could engage in debate. I pray that they might could listen carefully to each others as well as the concerns that will be shared by our
citizens. And then Lord, I pray as they make decisions. I pray that they would have wisdom as they make them. And heavenly father, last of all, we just thank you for your great love for us, your unconditional love. And I pray, Father, that everyone here might come to
experience that love firsthand. We pray all of this in the wonderful name of Jesus Christ, my savior and lord. Amen. Thank you, Pastor Blackwell. Will you please join me in the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, justice for all. All right, city manager, do you have anything for us tonight?
>> Yes, I have a few changes. Thank you, mayor. From the consent agenda, I'd like to remove from the agenda consent item number nine, the Walker um preliminary subdivision plan. Also, I would like to ask that um
council action number one, which is the special event fees, be read together with public hearing number two, which is ordinance 2025-58. I'd also like to ask that we read together council action number three
with public hearing number three. They're both for the Harvest Grove project. That's ordinance 2025-67. And I'd like to remove from the agenda public hearing number nine, ordinance 2025-78
regarding the entertainment district. That's all. Thank you. Excuse me. All right. Thank you, ma'am. All right. And first up, we have a presentation for employee of the month
of November by Rose Tester. Mayor, council members, and members of our community, it is my honor to recognize our employee of the month, Oakley Gray. When I was notified that my submission for Oakley had won employee of the month, I sat down and I wrote a
little speech and it was very formal. So, it was incredibly boring and it didn't embody who we are here in parks and recreation, let alone our small and mighty division of two. Uh, so we're going to take care of some quick
housekeeping. I nominated Oakley because he helped us win a bunch of awards. And those awards are just one example of Oakley's dedication to special events. Not only bringing recognition to our events, but to our city as a whole. And
Oakley is the definition of innovation when it comes to our city's core values. Just trust me on this. We won't get into the nitty-gritty. Uh so now that we've covered that, uh we're going to talk about Oakley's passion. He actually unknowingly or probably knowingly
because I'm not great at keeping secrets helped write this speech. Many of you may not know but our beloved mascot Sammy the Sand Hill Crane was born out of Oakley's creativity. If there was no Oakley there would be no Sammy. I asked Oakley to o use three words to describe
Sammy. Oakley described Sammy as adventurous, friendly, and compassionate. As the person who brought CME from an idea to a loved member of our city, I believe Oakley exemplifies these same qualities. Oakley is adventurous in the way he tackles challenges, never letting anything come
across, anything we come across stop him in getting things done and pushing for the utmost success. He is compassionate in how he approaches our work, always thinking about how every aspect of our events will have an impact on our community. And of course, Oakley is friendly. If you have the pleasure of
working with him or knowing him, you know that he brings a warmth around him. Event days are always long ones and Oakley always finds a way to make me laugh and it's a welcome relief to the stress of a long day. I also want to take a moment to thank you personally.
If you were to ask anyone, I would guess that nobody would know that we are a tiny team of two putting on the city's largest events. You're truly my right hand. Your hard work, creativity, and constant dedication make all of our events possible. I couldn't ask for anyone better. So, without further ado,
I'd like to ask our friend, Your Vision, Sammy the Sand Hill Crane, to come out and congratulate you on winning employee of the month. Congratulations. Yes. Thank you, Oakley. Uh you are amazing. Obviously, Rose as well. If
y'all have ever been to any of the city events, they're the ones. They're out there. They spend the time, the months preparing those things. And uh we look forward to the I know we've got a few large ones coming up here. So, y'all do an amazing job. Thank you. All right, let me get these.
All right, next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial. If anyone in the audience wishes to address particular item on the consent agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so. Additionally, if staff or members of the city council wish to speak on a consent
item, they have the same opportunity. >> Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, I'd like to pull item two for a separate vote. Is that it, council? All right, go ahead. Uh, item number two. >> Um, I don't have comment. It's just for a separate.
>> Okay. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on the consent agenda? >> Hey, good evening, mayor, city council. Good to see y'all. >> Can we get your name and address for the record? >> Yes. Russell Holmes. I live at 11 Jersey Avenue. Um, I just wanted to speak on
the subdivisions and it's it's not attacking anybody. I I know this is a problem that we've had since I was on city council and I just felt like I needed to come up and say something. So, um, I just
My name's Ros Holmes. I've been in St. Cloud. I've been a resident here for 46 years minus 9 years that I left and went in the Navy. And I've seen the city grow. I got here in 79. The population in 1980 was
approximately 7,840 by census. And today it's around 71,000 or more. That's over 800% growth in just that 46 years. And we're
seeing growth of the last 20 years 184%. When I moved here, we had Lakeshore to Fortune. We had Lakes Shore Apartments settlement 192 and Neptune. Those were your east west to get out of here or get here. And with 800% growth, that's still
the same three roads to get east west. That that's very difficult. And uh the other day I went to a conference and went to a meeting over at Gaylord. Took me an hour and a half to drive 18 miles back. And I hear it all the time. People
asking me to run for office. I'd rather not. I know there's not a lot we can do. Um when I was up there, you know, some of the things we bring up, council would shoot down because our hands are tied. Your hands are tied. People have property rights. They want to sell their
property. If a farmer dies that the the children don't want to have a farm, then people have the right to buy the property and create a farm. But the developer has a right to buy the property as well and develop. But I came up with because I know that when people
come up here and complain, it's always nice to hear the complaints. We all know what the complaints are. But I wanted to try to come up with three proposals that I think may be viable. Number one, I urge the council and the commission to
do an im immediate independent audit of our traffic impact fees right now. Um, we must ensure that developers are paying a fair share for the road impacts that we're creating or they're creating that being created by all these subdivisions. We keep adding them and
we're adding life, we're adding traffic, we're adding time to people's commutes. Second, um, aggressively enforce the concurrency laws. Florida law requires that infrastructure like roads is available concurrent with the impact of
the new development. Our roads do not meet this test, and we're failing to enforce those standards. In my opinion, uh, finally, I'd ask that you vote no tonight and for future subdivisions, uh, create a short-term moratorum. I'm
sorry, I'll wrap up. Continue. um pending new comprehensive traffic study, updating the capital improvement plan, and try to create a real plan to fix our roads before thousands of cars are added to it. Thousands more. Um the final
thought, please be partners with the citizens and smart growth, not just architects of our congestion. And I was part of the problem when I was on there that was very difficult to stop any type of subdivision. But I think we need to work together and come up with solutions. we can't keep going the way
we're going. Uh people won't be able to get anywhere. Uh that's it. I appreciate your time. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Russ. >> All right. Would anyone else in the audience like to speak on the consent agenda? All right. And let's go ahead and vote
on number two. Item number two. Can I get a motion on item number two? >> Motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Gilbert. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert.
>> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 41. And can I get a motion for the remaining uh the rest of the kinson agenda? >> Motion to approve. Council member
Fletcher. Second. >> Second from council member Urban. >> Madame clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Fletcher. >> I. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5-0.
All right. Next up is the citizens forum. Any person who desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or as soon as
there as is practical thereafter. The person addresses the city council. First up, we have Joshua Stinamp. >> I have a prepared statement that I'm going to read from if that's okay. Good
evening, council members, and thank you for your time. My name is Joshua Stenamp and I'm here tonight representing Theater in the Cloud. We don't just see ourselves as a community theater in St. Cloud. We are very intentionally St. Cloud's community theater. For the past 5 years, we've poured our hearts into this community. We are more than just
actors on a stage. We are your neighbors. We are a dedicated team of volunteers who have donated over 7,500 volunteer hours to the city. A contribution we value at 135,000. We are an organization that provides a creative space for high school students to earn bright future scholarship hours
which they can complete within one show. We provide opportunities for everyone in our community to participate in the arts. We are proudly supported by local sponsors, every single one of them a St. Cloud business. We are goodwill ambassadors, consistently participating in main street events, sitting on veterans councils, working with the
city's police department with hostage negotiation training, and as you know, we're an essential part to the city's yearly celebrations. We are the only organization offering this kind of programming in all of St. Cloud. We bring new audiences downtown and to our restaurants, our local businesses. We have operated professionally and safely
in the Women's Club building for over three years, bringing new life and awareness to a beautiful historic space. Our original agreement, which was uh that brought economic development to the city, was pulled uh before the expiration date. A new temporary agreement was proposed by parks and
wreck that was unfeasible. The city wanted to charge $3,900 for 13 days of restricted access to the building with a city employee present at all times. As a result, we decided to cancel our highly anticipated Christmas production. We believe this is a problem
we could solve together as partners. We are not here tonight to just point out problems. We're here to propose a a clear two-part solution. First, we ask that you place us on the agenda for December's council meeting to reinstate our original agreement for the year of 2026 so we can secure our future,
continue rehearsals, auditions, and deliver highquality performances our city expects. Secondly, we would ask for approval of a workshop in January or February of 2026 between Theater and the Cloud, this council, the parks department to sit down together to
develop a robust long-term agreement. Let's address the women's club building, how it's currently being used, how we can work together with interested parties in creating a mutually beneficial relationship and a large vision for the arts at St. Cloud. The main question we think we need you to answer is, do you think theater in the
cloud is a mutually beneficial and larger vision for the arts at St. Cloud? I just, sorry, I'm lost my spot. Do you think the cloud is valuable to our growing community? It's very important. If so, we'd like all five of you to say
yes on adding us to the agenda for December 2026 and a public workshop so we can move forward as partners. Uh any questions that you may have? I appreciate your time. >> All right. Thank you, Josh. Um real quick, I I know you've worked with staff. Uh I'm I'm going to dig in and
get some more information, but I know they worked hard to come up with an idea and and kind of fix that issue that uh regarding the women's club. So, I think prior to putting it on a council agenda, I think there maybe we need to get more information from staff and possibly have
it on a workshop prior to a council meeting >> to vote on anything. So, before we can vote on anything, we need more information. >> Understandable. The workshops would when do the workshops happen? Is that something that we need to schedule through parks and recck or through the >> No, that will be us. Okay. Yeah, that would be council.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Josh. Appreciate it. Right. Would anyone else in the audience like to speak during the citizens forum? All right. Next up, we have public hearings. Will
the clerk read, please read item number one. >> Public hearing for resolution number 2025-154R. A resolution of the city council of the city of St. Florida amending resolution number 2025-098R which adopted the fiscal year 2025-2026 budget for the city of St.
finding the city's manager has certified their entire year fund balances and or current revenues and available in the budget for additional projects and programs for various funds not included in the original budget requiring the budget to be increased to include set additional funding and variation funds making supplemental procreations within
the funds. >> Good evening. Jeff Cooper, finance director. Uh this is budget amendment number one for fiscal year 2526. Uh the city manager has certified funds are available to appropriate uh for
these projects. Uh the first uh major item is a total of 2.5 million from federal grants public safety and 2502867 from prior year fund balance expend and expenditures for fire uh salaries and
benefits 3.766 million rental of a mobile housing unit 180,000 and related uniforms equipment and services 1,56,867 and this is for 2025 safer grant award and the 48 new firefighters. And this is
the general fund. If you have any questions as we go along, feel free to stop me. >> The fire chief told me to ask you a lot of questions. >> Ask me. No. Get him up here. >> No, I'm just kidding. >> Oh, there's a little screen here. Thank
you. I didn't see that. Uh next we have a total of 340,000 in prior year fund balance and 170,000 from a state fire marshall grant uh and 510,000 in expenditures for machinery and equipment for a new fire rescue
boat. This is also the general fund. Uh we have a total of 180,000 from prior year fund balance and 180,000 in expenditures for machinery and equipment for the purchase of two additional police vehicles to replace two currently
leased vehicles. Uh this is the 1% searchcharge fund. Uh we've determined that it's more costbeneficial to purchase uh rather than lease. Uh so that's why we're doing that. Uh, next we have a total
This is out of order. Do I go too fast? We have a total of 200,000 from prior year fund balance and expenditures for buildings for window replacement for civic center JMA. This is the 1% search charge fund. This item was budgeted in
fiscal year 2425. However, it it didn't make it through the process in time. So, we're just rebudgeting that item. Uh we are budgeting a total of 250,000 from prior year fund balance and 250,000 in expenditures for intragovernmental
transfers for project PW2601 city hall security improvements. Uh funding is provided by the 1% searchcharge fund. This is for um security enhancements for city hall um to be determined.
Then we have a total of $851,580 in revenue from inter fund transfer and $44,791 in donations uh parks and recreation. That's from Oyola County. Um and that money is specific to Parton Triangle Park. And
then the other projects as mentioned, city hall security improvements and Centennial Park restroom, which is um on the next page here. Oops. A total of 601,580 in revenue from prior year fund balance
and expenditures for intergovernmental transfers for the same amount to fund project PR 2603, Centennial Park restroom. Uh, this project was formally funded with CRA. We're changing it to
parks impact fees funds. So, the funding previously dedicated to this project can go towards the mixeduse downtown parking project. a total of 120,600 in revenue from prior year fund balance and expenditures for
operating supplies of 50,200 and machinery and equipment of 70,400 for one additional police officer for the lakefront area. This is from police impact fees. So it's $120,600
to outfit each police officer, each new police officer, as you can see. Where are we at now? Skipped one. a total of $16,54 in revenue from prior year fund balance and a reduction of contingency
expenditures of 269,576 and expenditures for operating supplies of 376,080 for bunker gear and personal protective equipment for the 48 new firefighters from the safer grant and that is fire
impact fees. Oops. And then finally we have a total of 283,780 in prior year fund balance and expenditures for prof professional services of 211,50
maintenance contracts of 55,755 and training of 16,975. And this is for upgrade of plan review software and implementation of a DI digital customer application portal for permits. And this is the building permit
fund. Oops. This thing is overly sensitive. Uh staff recommendation is approval of resolution 2025-154R. And we're asking for city council approval of resolution 2025-154R.
And if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer or I will call on my fellow director if I can't. >> All right. Thank you, Jeff. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right, Jeff, can you go back to the the fire boat, please?
>> Yep. Fire boat. Okay. So, it's a grant of 170,000 and the boat cost is 510. So, 340,000 of general fund balance is being put towards the purchase of the boat so
we can take advantage of the $170,000 grant. >> So the the $170,000 that's not is that what we got from the state? >> So that wasn't the grant that was the I mean it was the that was the legislative right. >> Correct.
>> Okay. Yeah. And I just wanted to call that out that uh we have state representative Paula Stark that really assisted in getting us that. So I want to thank her. she's here in the audience and um uh I believe that fire boat was very important to get as we grow as a city our our lakes's going to be used more and people with boats are going to
be out there and also it'll uh assist anybody surrounding that that large lake. So um also can I get the police chief and the fire chief uh come ask if they can come up to the podium please. >> The dynamic duo I guess that makes me Robin. I'm just
saying. >> Batman and Robin. No, I I want to thank you guys. Uh many of these items on here are in support of your agencies. You guys are top-notch protecting our citizens. You know, we were out at a town hall last night at Neptune Middle, and they had their whole command staff,
both sides, fire department, police department, and really showed them that public safety is important to our community, and you guys are top-notch. So, I appreciate everything you do. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor, may I ask one question to the police chief and fire chief? >> Uh I I do recall that um there was a few
life-saving measures that took place with uh with boats and and our fire and police department. Uh as we continue to grow and um I know the needs there and I know we've been asked for it and and getting granted I think it's one quarter of the amount of the boat is good. But
could you refresh us? I think it was last year that alone that we had to pull a few people out of the out of the lake to do that. And as we grow, we see more of the um use of the lake and we see a lot more the jet skis and a lot more of the I don't want to call them dangerous
riders, but because I'm 62, but a little carefree or something like that. So, uh this boat will be used for what purposes, may I ask? Um the fire rescue boat, which you'll see later on the agenda, is a full rescue boat. We carry
um obviously dive equipment if needed for the sheriff's department when they come in. But more primarily, it's going to be used for surface water rescue in the event that there's a jet ski accident. We can use it to tow boats in that become disabled if they catch fire. Um most importantly, it has a fire pump on it. Um we have a very large boat down
there at the lakefront that carries quite a few people. Um and god forbid there was ever a fire on it, we have a a fire pump on this boat. will actually be able to put fire out out there on the water. Um, it's long overdue. The boat that it's replacing is from 1989. It's
just not user friendly at all. Um, so we're really excited about this boat. Uh, we've got a great team that put it together and including some certified captains. Um, they have their own private captain's licenses. Um, so they helped with the design and outfitting of the electronics and the search and
rescue stuff on the boat. So, we're really h we're excited for it. >> Thank you. Thank you. And I I agree with the mayor 100% of the great job that they do with the safety of the citizens of St. Cloud. And I did see the boat in 1989. I actually graduated high school in 81. So that boat's got to be pretty
old. >> I'll just agree and nod my head nicely. You're not old. The boat is >> I I wish you would have already had a dive team as you know. I asked if you had a wet suit for the Halloween event. It was kind of cold out there. Thank you, state representative. Um it was only 52 degrees in the dunk tank.
Well, it's warmer than it probably is today. >> A cold plunge, mayor. That's a cold plunge. >> That's something that's a program we are looking at in the future as a dive program, but as you know, we're currently um under way of some massive expansion of our firefighters and that kind of got sheld for a little while. We have a little other operational
priorities right now. >> Yeah. Thank you guys. I appreciate you. Council, do you have any questions on on this item? Any comments? Can we get a motion? Uh I'm sorry, Jeff. Did you have anything else? >> No, sir. >> Okay.
>> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, Jeff. >> Will the clerk please read item number two? Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-58. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, amending the land development code as follows. Amending growth management services to
read community development department article 1 section 32- 30-2 subsection A remove fundable performance bond section 30-3 add a boat ramp hours 30.4 Subsection A amend dawn to dusk and
read sunrise to sunset article 2 section 30-16 amending major special events definition to special event removing the event cap of 250 people removing major special events definitions amending section 30-18 subsection A subsection 1 the special events and removing cap of
250 people section 30-18 subsection A subsection 2 removing minor special events amending section 30-18 subsection B removal of daily attendance of 250 persons or greater amending section 30-8 subsection C subsection 1 removing the daily attendance of the event greater
than is greater than 250 persons or amending section 30-9 remove minor special events section 30-9 subsection A limiting the number of special events within a calendar year and setting a reservation requirements section 30-9 subsection B subsection 3 se setting
requirements for who may act on the organization's behalf section I mean 30-9 subsection C setting payments terms and providing confict servability codification and effective date. >> All right, I'm going to let you catch your breath for a second, but can you read uh council action number one as
well? >> Resolution number 2025-130R, a resolution of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, amending the special events fee schedule for events held in the city regulated property in the city of St. Cloud. >> Thank you.
>> Hi, thank you, mayor, council. Good evening. Um the first the first item that uh the city clerk read into read into the record is the special event ordinance amendment. So uh this ordinance was has been in effect since I believe 2016 2017. It was designed to
regulate any events on um city property that affects any services that public safety services, parks and wreck, public work services. Um that's that's how we got to the special event ordinance. So tonight is the amendment to that and the amendment is based on
the comments that we've heard from the mayor and all of the council on things over the last few months. So I hope that all of your comments and issues have been addressed through this amendment. Some of the specific changes
this is going too fast. There we go. Some of the changes administrative update. It was just in the in the ordinance. I said gross management services which we know the department is called community development. We just cleaned up that. Um we we removed the requirement for refundable performance
bond. They provide insurance event insurance when people apply for events. The definitions uh major and minor special events. We consolidated those into one category special event. So it'll be one special event. We removed
the attendance cap of 250 people. Um, these two go hand in hand. Whether it's a minor or major special event, whether you have a 100 people or you have 500 people, it would still could still require road closures and extra public safety measures. So, we want the
opportunity to review all events and make sure that our citizens and our assets are are protected. Permit requirements, uh, special events distinguish between minor and major. There is no uh distinguishing. It's just one. Now major clarifies that any event
that's held on the water or certain businesses that are having events that's outside their normal sorry outside of their normal operations will require a permit. The reason we're requiring uh people to pull special event permits when they have it on the water is because there's certain permitting uh
that may be required that we want to make sure that applicant has those permits. I don't it also adds and establishes clear requirements for reoccurring events. An example of a reoccurring event is is our very popular downtown monthly market. Um currently the
ordinance didn't allow for reoccurring events and uh so we added that in there to be able to allow for the downtown type events reoccurring. Also, uh, we put in the language in there that an organization may designate
an authorized representative to act on its behalf, but that documentation must come from the organization itself. Um, also we added the non-refundable application fee requirements to state that the fee is due at the time of submission or within three business
days. The reason we added three business days is in case somebody did not want to pay with a credit card o, they could always come to the office and pay with check or cash. All um operation fees, so that would be parks and wreck, uh public work fees, uh
public public service fees are due 30 days before the schedule event date except for public safety fees. Police and fire are always due after the event. The organizer is always given an estimate of the cost, but the fees then are due afterwards in case there were
any changes. Staff recommends approval on this item and we're requesting city council approval on ordinance 2025-58. I'm available if you have any questions. >> Thank you, Stephanie. Uh Tim Manager, >> and then the schedule,
>> I'll go right after. Okay. Sorry. We're going to vote it all at once. >> Okay, you just have to bear with me while I get to think there's quite a few. >> Hey, there was a lot of slides. The uh next item is the special event
fee schedule amendment. The first there's uh three changes on the fee schedule amendment. The first one is the elimination of the minor special event fee to align with the special event ordinance uh amendment that I had just gone over. So we're eliminating the
minor special event. So we're just uh striking that out of our fee schedule. Um, we're adding a new fee in there for the closure of the lakefront boat ramp parking lot. So, for instance, if somebody's having an event down at the lakefront and they are um shutting down
the boat ramp parking lot, we're asking them to pay the cost for that um closure. And then there's one minor revision that we had to do about the soft barricade fee calculation. We're not changing the fee. We just had to
change the method to improve um to be able to be compatible with our new open gov special event uh permitting process. So there is no fee change on that. We just had to change how we're collecting it. Those were the only changes on the fee
schedule. >> Okay. Thank you. Is that it for this one? >> Yes, that's it. Thank you all. >> All right. Thank you. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on either of these two items? When anyone in the audience, run on up here, buddy.
Don't run. You can walk. Take your time. >> As you know, we have Christmas parade in a few weeks and we normally close the boat ramp. That's where we we stage all the bands and we have five bands. So, you're talking quite a few kids. Do we when
does >> I believe you're already in >> So their grandfather in I sitting right >> we're a partner in that event. So it's a city sponsored event so it's it's fine. >> Okay. I didn't know if I could have him write a check or what.
Okay. Thank you. >> Yes ma'am. And thank you for everything you do for that parade. It's an amazing parade. >> All right. Council comments on any of these two items. Council member Gibler. Hi. Deputy Mayor Gibber. >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um Stephanie, uh
this last weekend was a uh third annual that I know of, uh the lantern lighting at Lakeshore, which is a very good event and it's a franchisee event and it happens in very many locations throughout this uh United States. Um I I
love the idea and I love that it's a for-profit organization. I I would estimate between 3 to 5,000 people. Uh I know they take up parking on all the straight up to 10th and sometimes even up to 13th Street for parking. I would like to see us become more partners with
them on that franchise um deal because it it is a large one of our larger city events and again it's a great event but I would like I we talked about before I I would really like to see us partner more with them for that event. Uh it
used to be at Cranes Roost for years and it outgrew Cranes Roost and it comes to City of St. Cloud. Um we have a downtown main street. I don't know if we do trolleys during that time. I don't know what we do to attract more businesses to our downtown area, but we certainly have
the audience for it uh with the 3,000 to 5,000 plus people. So I I don't have that answer. I just would like to make the comment here publicly in front of my uh uh fellow council and to see us getting more involved with lantern event as it continues to grow here in the city
of St. Cloud. With that yield back to you, mayor. >> Yeah, I agree with you. Um there are a lot of people I think every one of those state streets probably five blocks up the head cars and uh that's a great impact on our community where and not
not necessarily a positive when it comes to all that traffic. Um so I think we need to see some benefits out of that. I know it's a great event. I think it's there to honor loved ones. I would also like the city to be a part of that and um and somehow find a way to get those
people to the downtown because at CR Crane Roost they've got a lot of retail right there and I know they love having I'm sure they loved having all of that traffic but because there's the the nine block separation we those businesses don't get to enjoy that. So, we need to
find a way to um I don't know what can be done, but I think we need to maybe we require that all the parking be in the downtown and they have to walk down the whole nine blocks. I don't know if I may shuttle buses or anything like that opportunities because it starts at 200
p.m. >> And it usually doesn't happen till the lighting is at when it comes dark. So, there's a fivehour window for restaurants for all our downtown. I just like to see an e economical impact for the city of St. Cloud as we have these
events that are major events and and it's a good it's a good event. I just I'd like us to work closely with them. Uh trolleys or something like that to take them down from Lake Shore to to the downtown area. That's what my suggestion and I agree with you mayor. We should partner with I
>> got a whole year to appoint him. So I think there's some great ideas can come. Council member Fletcher. >> Um I I would absolutely agree. I remember the year that they came is a wildly successful um event for the city. Um Stephanie, maybe you can answer this. Didn't we didn't we try to work with the
downtown business group and that organization at at one time? We we tried to find a way to connect and and get them downtown. Um and that would be absolutely amazing. If we could do that, the businesses would definitely have an
impact. I actually do like the idea of of putting some parking little bit restrictions on it that would actually spur some economic development downtown because Florida Avenue is right there with the parking there by the church. >> So essentially what it did it just paid
for whatever barricades maybe some or police >> to the to the best of my knowledge if I can remember the invoice. So yeah, they paid for some concrete barricades, soft barricades which are the standup ones. They paid for all the trash cans. They
did pay for parks and recck staff. Um public safety >> public yeah they paid for public safety uh police fire was not needed. Fire services were not needed. Um but yeah they did they paid >> the non-resident rate. So we do we do
the resident rate just covers costs but the non-resident rate is is where we make a little bit. >> Yes sir. If I may I get it. I think it's great. Uh but we're looking at some tangibles um to clean up afterwards. Did they do a good job? Yeah. Was it was it
stress on our on that department? Sure. Uh fire when you said was not needed. Um it's always good till it's not good. And with that many people gathering in the public area, I think fire and EMS station there, which I think are we're
the safest city. I keep saying that, but we have great fire and police department. So that's why I want to partner more to anticipate the growth of this venue and to see how the city can benefit and how we also can keep it the safest city in the state of Florida. That's my my comments of observation
over three years from Mr. Mayor. >> No. No. And I agree. I think that uh not only that, but it puts stress on our roads. It puts stress on on the the families that live those five blocks up all the way across the lake if somebody's coming in and and and it's great. I think it's a great event, but I
I think we also have to look at, you know, these are people that live down there in those five blocks up. You know, how many homes are impacted by this? And um I think that for them to be out there and tie up the whole lakefront, I think we do need to have more of a stake in it. And
I agree with you on that. >> Council member Paul, >> um back to the trolley um idea, I think it's a great opportunity to work with St. Cloud Main Street who has also brought up this idea about trolleys and back and forth and supporting the
downtown area um I think is definitely needed. Um so if we can also work with St. Cloud Main Street on you know working together and how we can do that that would be great. And then I have another question for Stephanie
regarding the fee schedule for the boat um the closure for the boat ramp. What is that cost? So, the total cost to clos it for a day is two $282, which is 46 parking spaces times $6.
Thank you. >> So, are you suggesting that Main Street buy all the trolleys? >> No, I'm not suggesting I'm just I want to see Paul's reaction. >> You'll be up next. I think you're coming up. >> One more question.
>> Yes, sir. >> Um and this question is for staff. Um first I'd like to say thank you. I know this has been a lot of work to put um this ordinance together. I know we we've had a lot of feedback um over the last couple months and in speaking with with different folks who who put events on throughout the city. One of the one of
the challenges is especially with with vendors and getting the the appropriate insurance documentation. Um, is there a way that we can incorporate in the ordinance a waiver or something for them to sign a waiver so that they don't have to go through that whole process where
we wouldn't have, you know, where they could basically say they're not going to sue the city or something. Maybe that's a question for Dan. >> Yeah, I'm going to refer I'm going to refer to Dan for that. So, we've been working with risk management to address that issue, especially as it relates to what you might call the minimal risk
type of vendors. We're not talking about we're not put aside food trucks, people that make food sort of ax throwers, those kind of things, but we're talking about more and we've been working with risk management to try to see if we can get a a some sort of a access to an
umbrella policy that the city could could acquire and then as part of the cost to be part of an event. An independent vendor who's selling some wares again lowrisk type wares might be able to pay a little bit more a small amount of money per vendor so to cover
the cost of that. So we are looking at that trying to work through that to see if we can get put some relief on because we have heard that that is an issue for the uh vendors. Every vendor that participates in every event also already signs a waiver. They sign a waiver and a release and a hold harmless. Uh so
they're already saying they're going to provide what we're really That is the insurance component. >> Thank you. >> Mayor, may I comment on that? On the private sector, uh the insurance waiverss insurance are super important because when something happens, they'll
always go after folks with the biggest pockets. And us being the city, that would be the biggest pockets in these events. Now there are events that the event holder holds a umbrella position on insurance and the vendors can sign up
and pay a minimum amount for that uh to be insured under that event umbrella. But I I truly think as a city we really need to look at the insurance being a huge part of our our watch because being in the private sector uh when something
happens the vendor is not normally the one that gets sued. It's normally the general contractor, whoever has the largest input and our city has the big biggest exposure in all these events. So, I'd just like to be conscious of that. Uh we want to make it friendly,
but uh we should hold the event folks and they can get an insurance umbrella that the vendors can get insurance through them. I I I think this is one of the biggest things we need to continue is to make sure the city is insured because we work for the citizens and if
something happens small or big, they're going to come after the city and and those events is what I've seen in the past. I just want the council to hear my input on that and it's up to the council decision, but insurance is very important for every vendor uh for all of our events. I yield
back to you, mayor. I just want and deputy mayor. So, the events that we're talking about where the city has risk exposure on or events that occur on city property, the city has adequate extremely adequate insurance to cover it. So there is insurance coverage that's out there for any of these events
that occur on it. Even if >> the the the even if the injury, for lack of a better expression, is caused by a vendor, the city's insurance carrier will still cover that. What what we typically do is our insurance carrier wants us to transfer some of that risk to the participants to the vendor. And
that's why we require them to sign releases, waiverss, and if we if it's affordable, the insurance fees based on the risk. So be assured that these events are fully insured and fully covered to protect the citizens in the city. >> Yeah. And I agree with you uh uh city
attorney, but uh exposure is a big thing and and um cost of insurance is always raising. So when we bring our risk down, when we do our audits for risk evaluation for insurance, we'll have a better insurance policy and lower risk for the citizens of St. Cloud if we are
not being bunched into that event. Uh, so I know we have great insurance, but I'd like to keep it at the lowest level possible. And that's the only thing I brought up to city council because we don't have the chance to talk about that. Less exposure means less uh uh rates, lower rates for the city of St.
Cloud. I yield back to you, mayor. Thank you. >> All right. Any other council comments, >> Stephanie? Thank you again. Um, I know you put a lot of work into this and as our city continues to grow, the events will continue to grow and this was much
needed. So, thank you very much. You and your whole team do a great job of that. >> Thank you. >> Yes. And thank you again for Soldier City Sunday. I want to plug that and we'll talk about that later, but >> it was fun. >> You know, your whole team, everybody, uh, including the deputy city manager and city manager, everybody did a great job contributing to that. So,
>> thank you. Yes, it was my staff. Uh, yeah, they did most of the work. So, I will I will let them know. They did a great job. >> All right. And >> can we get a motion? >> We need a motion on the ordinance and
then a motion on the resolution on the >> motion on public hearing number two. >> Motion to approve public hearing number two. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Is that you? Okay. Madam clerk, please call the role.
>> Council member Urban, >> hi. >> And Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> hi. >> Council member Fletcher, >> hi. >> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Mayor Robertson, >> I. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> And will the clerk please read? I'm sorry. Can I get a motion on council action number one?
>> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. >> Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member I council member Urban. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi.
>> Motion carries. 5 Z. >> All right. Will the clerk please read item number three and uh the public hearing number three and council action number three. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-67. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a
zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically changes zoning designation approximately plus minus 17.35 acres identified as Harvest Grove PUB project PUD 24-00005 from R1B single family dwelling to PUB
planned unit development preliminary master final PL master final master plan HUD PUD PMP P FMP generally located north of East Lab Bronson Memorial Highway of South Dusi Road and south of Lilian Knee Road west of Puffin code
providing for entering the designation officials only map and filing the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication servability effective date request city council's approval of preliminary subdivision plan for Harvest Grove formerly known as Nona Town Homes PSP 25-00002
Good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development this case before you tonight is for the preliminary subdivision I'm sorry for the PUD preliminary ary master plan and final master plan for the project known as
Harvest Grove PUD. This is an aerial depiction of the property. The subject property is generally located south of Lilian Lee Road and west of Puffin Road. The property comprises approximately 17.35 acres of land.
Sorry, it's skipping. The subject property was annexed into the city of St. Cloud through ordinance number 2025-12 and received a future land use designation of medium density residential by ordinance number 202513.
The applicant is requesting to change their zoning from R1B to planned unit development or PUD. The maximum density and medium density residential is 10 dwelling units per acre. The applicant is proposing
136 single family attached units. 60 will be front loaded and 76 will be rear loaded. Um the proposed density of this project is 7.97 dwelling units per acre which is below the maximum of 10.
concurrently, which I will um present next. There is a preliminary subdivision plan um that is also being considered this evening. Here's a graphic representation of the existing medium density residential
future land use. I'm sorry it keeps skipping. I don't know if I'm holding the button too long. Just give me a second here. There we go. This is a graphic depiction of what the area will look like should the PUB
zoning be approved. Um here is the uh proposed plan for the PUD preliminary master plan which includes the final master plan. They're doing this as a combination application. The plan includes landscape buffers
along Puffin Road and a 25- foot landscape buffer along the entire perimeter of the development. The proposed open space provided is 5.21 acres which is uh over the minimum requirement of 4.27 acres. Uh they are
proposing to have enhanced amenities which includes uh.36 acres of a walking trail uh workout stations along the trail, a dog park, playground and swing set and they are connecting the
sidewalks with uh the community and trail network and they are proposing to have additional separation between the buildings. The minimum required is 10 feet and they are proposing 15 feet. Honor before August 19th, 2025. Staff
recommended approval at their meeting on October 21st, 2025, planning commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve ordinance number 2025-67 for the PUB zoning preliminary master
plan, final master plan for the project known as Harvest Grove, formerly known as Nona Town Homes. I'm going to go ahead and roll right into the next presentation. Where do I point this so that it doesn't
get maybe there? Okay. This case before you tonight is for the preliminary subdivision plan for the project known as Harvest Grove, formerly known as Nona Town Homes. Again, the subject property is located
south of Lillian Lee and west of Puffern Road and comprises 17.35 acres of land. The future land use is medium density residential and as I um said in the previous presentation, the uh proposed
zoning district is PUDS and they are um proposing to build 136 single family dwelling units which will be attached town homes, 60 front loaded, 76 rear loaded. Okay. Again, here's the same plan. I can
go over it again um if there are um any questions later. Honorable September 12th, 2025, staff recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve PSP25-00002 for the preliminary subdivision plan for
the project known as Harvest Grove. At this time, staff is available for questions. The applicant is also present and they have a presentation for council as well. >> All right. Thank you, Melissa. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? Good evening. Uh Cameron Hendle with
Analter Associates at a Broadway Florida. And I just want to thank you for your time. Thank you for staff for everything that they've done to help us with this. Sorry. There we go. Uh this is for the Harvest
Grove PUD. Um as Melissa Duncan explained, is for 136 units. Uh project overview. Uh the developer is one of our homes. Uh the project is located north of 182 east of Marusy Road south of William Lee. Uh located along
Puffin Road. Uh currently it has a future lane use of medium density. Um we're proposing 136 units. As you can see on the map, the location sorry
uh the future land use uh was approved um back on uh March 13, 2025 under ordinance 2025-13. Uh through that future land use, it approved up to 10 units per acre. We are currently proing 7.97.
Uh as we stated earlier, there are 60 front-loaded units, 76 rear loaded units. Uh the pricing uh is market driven, but is priced for affordability. Um as we know in our market, um we need some affordable options and this will
provide that. As far as the community, um we're providing 22% above the required open space um to provide a better amenity and open space for our community. We're providing a large and a small dog park, uh a playground with a swing set. Um we're providing trails
with workout stations along the trails, uh also benches around the pond and trail. Um and we've also provided additional buffers uh or landscape tracks along the perimeter. surrounding the development is
residential. Um our project is not required to have these perimeter buffers. Um but we wanted to provide these buffers um to provide a nice uh transition between our development and the existing developments. We include a 1.33 acre web pond. Um this
pond is a benefit also to the city. Um the city bought a parcel uh next door to this um to the east that was supposed to be a pond for Puffin Road and um Lily Lee Road. We have taken in the drainage
from Puffin Road into our storm water system that open ups that parcel for the city to use for whatever they wish instead of having to put a pond on it. Uh the traffic um we have 68 peak hour trips. Um we have six total access
points, five on Puffin Road and we have a connection to the neighboring community in Rivercrest um which does provide the grided network that the city uh prefers for traffic dispersion. Additionally, um we do have our traffic consultant here to answer any traffic
questions that you guys may have. Uh there's minimal roadway impacts per the TIA. Um we additionally will be improving Puff and Road from our south property line all the way to Lilian Lee Road. Um additionally there are other improvements in the area that are
ongoing. Uh Lillian Lee Road just north of us is currently under construction for widening um which will help along with Norah Tyson Road is currently uh being improved as well by other developments. Uh as far as environmental um there is
no recognized environmental conditions that this project is impacting. Um there's no high quality wetlands impacted. No protected species on site. Uh the storm water management will be HOA maintained. Um again treats the
runoff from Puff and Road. Um, additionally, the roadways in the development will be private, uh, paid by the HOA for maintenance, which again takes a burden off of the city where do tax dollars don't have to go to maintaining these roads.
Utilities will be by total water authority. Electric will be by OU. This is a singlephase development uh that will be intended to be built out in 2027 to 2028 time frame. As far as our community impact, we're
providing green infrastructure, uh reclaimed water for irrigation, and we want to provide amenities that promote long-term community health. Additionally, this infill project uh fits nicely with the projects to the south, which is an apartment and
commercial that provides walkability and connection to the commercial along 192. Uh which also helps prevent traffic if people can walk to these commercial developments instead of having to drive. Sorry, this is hard to read, but
basically these are the same bullet points that we've already discussed. Uh staff has worked greatly with us. I just want to thank all of them for their help. Um they've been a great great help in getting us to this point. Um staff has recommended approval. Additionally,
the planning commission also recommended approval. And I am here to answer any questions you all may have. Thank you for your time. >> All right. Thank you, Camber. >> All right. Public comment. Uh Betty Dempkkey.
Dampy. >> I always like it when she's smiling when she comes to the podium. >> Well, I'm going to shock everyone and ask you to approve this. >> Sean, that's twice in one year. Okay.
Uh, I have studied this plan with the developer and the owner and everybody, and it's a good fit for our community. I have a speech, but it would be redundant of what has already been laid out. This developer came to you with lower
density. Can you believe it? That never happens in this county where they could put more squeeze more homes in there. They haven't. They've utilized the space in a much better productive way. locating the blond the pond along Lily
and Lee that fits well with the pond that's already there and gives a nice buffer between the what will be basically highway Lily and Lee and the houses that will be erected. Thirdly, I love the rear loading
concept. I'm sorry. You ride down these subdivisions and it's almost going like going to a trade show for garage doors. That's all you see. They are offering the rear loading as well as front loading. There's there's a reason in
place for both, but this isn't a concept I hope more developers will embrace. I'm cold. I can't freeze. I'm freezing. Anyhow, if you would consider the things that they're doing, they're giving more green space, a lot of
positives for this rather than the normal, and it's definitely better than that fourstory apartment that was proposed and denied a year or two ago. >> Yes. Thank you, Betty, for uh staying on
top of this project and ensuring that it's uh it's a better product for the community. So, we can always count on Betty to be out there as a watchdog. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? Good evening, guys. Carl Robinson, Dave,
Virginia. I like dog parks. I like swing sets. I think it's a great idea, but I never heard the word infrastructure. I didn't hear police. I didn't hear fire and all these roads dump out on Narusi road, right? I thought we just talked about Narusi
being pretty messed up. What's the plan? >> I'm not understanding what you're talking about. >> All these this community, all those roads from Puffin and Lily dump out onto Narusi Road. Right. >> There is there is access to Narusi road. But what were you saying about police? I
don't understand. they will be paying their their impact fees, their their public safety impact. >> Are we going to increase the capacity on our two road to accommodate three or 4 hundred more cars today? >> I I don't believe this project's going to have three or four more hundred cars, but that's a >> couple hundred 50
>> Okay, >> structures. Two cars per house, >> right? >> I'm just worried about the infrastructure. >> This will also have access to 192, sir, >> and a few different >> That's pretty screwed up, too. to Okay, thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Appreciate you. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? >> All right. And I'm going to go ahead and kick off with the first comment. I applaud this project. Uh coming in two units per acre under what they could have done. You know, it's unfortunate
that I say this. I love our community. It's a great place. That's why everybody wants to move here. I think uh we're going to get an influx of more people coming down from uh up north now. Um, but when developers will sit here and work with a community and not maximize
what they can do and not put in an apartment complex and and you know obviously we know just south of this is going to be some large retail and that is where we do want uh either medium density or high density and which what
they have the medium density uh already allowed. So, um, they're under two units per acre. A third of the property is is either going to be open space or pond. And and I like that the sidewalk's going to wrap all the way around the whole project and and the dog park. So, and
also it's going to knock out Puffin Road, which has been a dirt road. Who knows where Puffin is. You know, it's because it's never been a paved road. Um, and that's going to complete that segment, at least half of that segment. So, um I do want to thank the developer
for working on this and and bringing the right product and not the four-story apartment complex. So, um council discussion. >> Can we go back to the map um for this project? >> This one?
>> Yes. Um I know we've talked about um will fire your safety as far as for emergency calls. And I just wanted to ask um Chief Miller if there would be any concerns of getting the trucks in
and out of this neighborhood. >> Like all the eyes are on me. It's a long walk up the back of the room. road. >> Um, luckily we have the station right there on Nor Tyson. Um, so the initial response as far as for medicals shouldn't be a problem. Um, you know,
obviously there there's some traffic concerns that go on throughout school, but in this instance, we literally have a station about a half mile away. So, um, for medical calls, the initial attack on a fire, I'm not concerned about as far as that goes. So far as getting the truck in and out
of this neighborhood, you don't see any issues? >> No, it meets it meets the code as far as um for the dead end corridors and stuff like that. Um it's well within code, so we don't have an issue. It's been reviewed by our fire marshall's office and they're happy with it. So, we're
good to go. >> Thank you. And and for the record, Dan, um so everybody understands that if they have medium density already, um they're allowed to put up to 10 units, I believe. So we can't just say no, they can't develop
their property. They already have entitlements to be able to build up to 10 units as with the the the density as well. That's correct. >> Right. So we can't just say no, you can't build this property. As much as I'd love to go back 40 years ago when I was a kid and everything was
orange groves and ranches, you know, they discovered our paradise down here. Everybody did. So, >> if you if you wouldn't mind, I would love to answer council members Paul question as well. Yes, sir. >> Um, as far as our plan, we do have to submit an autoturn plan that shows how a
fire truck can make it through the community um which has been submitted to the and approved by the fire um marshall's office. Additionally, we are making connections to Riverest community well as well as the uh connections uh to
the um eastern community at Star Ruby which does allow even if Buffen Road was blocked for an accident or anything, it allows the fire and police to get through the other communities to our development. >> Thank you.
>> Yes. Thank you, sir. >> All right. Any other council comments? And can we get a motion? >> Make a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> All right. I'll go ahead and second that motion. Madam clerk, please call the
role. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Nay. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 41. >> All right. Will the clerk please read? Um I think there's two.
>> You need a motion on council action item number three. >> Yes. Can we get a motion on council item I'm sorry. Yeah. Council action item number three. Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> All right, I will second it. Madam cler, please call.
>> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> May. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. School one. Again, thank you, Cameron. Please continue to uh any projects these developers bring
to table, complete, continue to work with them to go under the threshold. We love that. So, thank you. And add as many amenities as you can. >> All right. Will the clerk please Item number four, >> final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-72.
An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Claw, Florida assigning a future land use designation approximately plus -0.42 acres identifies Kevin Corner project CPA25-00009 generally located north of of 12 east of 12th Street east of Mississippi Avenue
and south of 11th Street west of Eastern Avenue from MDR medium density residential to comm providing for amending the official filter. Comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect severity copies on file and
effective date. Good evening Melissa Dunlin again. This case before you tonight is for the comprehensive plan and zoning map amendments for the project known as Kan Corner. The exist the existing future land use is medium density residential and the
proposed future land use is commercial. The applicant is requesting um to change their zoning from R2 single family uh to business commercial BC on approximately 42 acres of land. Uh this
property is subject to recording of an additional restrictive covenant. This covenant specifically limits or prohibits intensive uses otherwise um permitted under the business commercial zoning district.
Okay. This is the graphic uh representation of the existing future land use of medium density residential and this is a graphic depiction of the existing R2 zoning district. Can you go back one slide really quick?
I'm sorry. I was out of >> this one. >> Uh, one more, please. Never mind. Forward. >> This one. >> One more. One more. >> Oh, was that it? Oh, there we go. That one. That's what I'm looking at. I don't
know what's wrong with the clicker. >> I have a really quick question. What's the blue? >> Oh, that's the mobile home. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. Okay. >> Yeah, I'm good. Sorry, you're going through it so fast. >> Oh, so sorry. >> You're good.
>> Okay, there we go. Honor before September 25th, 2025, staff recommended approval. At their meeting on October 21st, 2025, the planning commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve
ordinance number 2025-72 and 2025-73 for the comprehensive plan and zoning map amendments for the project known as cave-in corner along with the requirement of the restrictive covenant.
Uh at this time staff and the applicant are available for questions. >> All right. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? >> Mayor Are you able to read the second item? >> Is there a second on this one? >> Yes. If you don't mind, can we read that
in? >> Uh, yes. Will the clerk please read item number five? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-73. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning map of the zoning map, zoning amendment of zoning map of land development code for the city of St. Cloud to specifically change the zoning designation approximately
plus minus 0.42 42 acres identified as civen corner project ZMA 25-000013 from R2 single to two family dwelling to BC business commercial gener generally located north of East 12th Street east
of Mississippi Avenue and south of 11 Street west of Eastern Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map of the filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication servability effective date >> all right thank you applicant you speak on
Good evening, council members. Jeremy Kibler, KDA Engineering, 2017 13th Street, St. Cloud, Florida, 34769. Um, we respectfully ask that you consider tonight staff's recommendation of approval, which we of course are in
agreement with, and we do also want to recognize that uh staff u graciously work together with the applicant um and uh in a cohesive man. I think we've reached something that's very productive
and will be a great contribution towards the city and help to unify the block that already has existing commercial in the area as you can refer back to the existing future land use map. Uh we also ask that you consider planning commission's recommendation of approval
and respectfully ask for your approval tonight. Thank you. >> All right. Would council like to comment on this? Would anyone in the audience like to comment on this item? All right. Uh, I'd like to say something. This is I think exactly what
we're looking for in this area. It should be commercial. You know, I believe that uh the the business there's a business just south of just north of this that is commercial all the way and then from there all the way to to Grape Avenue and
and all the way up the highway. This kind of completes some of that that little enclave there. So, I want to thank you applicant for bringing this forward and can we get a motion on this? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member, this is for um item number four.
>> We have a motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert, second from Council Member Fletcher. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5.
>> And can I get a motion? Item number five. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Second from Council Member Fletcher. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi.
>> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 5 Z. >> Right. Will the clerk please read item number six into the record. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-74. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St.
Approximately plus - 6.20 acres identified as Nova Road Community Center. Project ANX 25-000018 generally located north of Lake Lizzy Drive south of Nova Road and west of Julino Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044
Florida statutes. >> Item number seven. Uh will the clerk please read item number seven and number eight as well? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-75. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. South Florida assigning a future land use designation approximately plus - 6.20 20 acres
identified as Nova Road Community Center project CPA2- 0000008 generally located north of Lake Lizzy Drive and southeast of Nova Road and west of Juler Road from CCC Community Center County to CCC Community Center City providing for many of the future
official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication availability effectility copies on file and effective date final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-76 and ordinance of the city council the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment as zoning map of the
land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus minus 6.20 20 acres identified as identified as Nova Road Community Center project ZMA 25-000012 from CR Commercial Residential County
and RS3 Residential Single Family County to CCC Community Center Core City generally located north of Lake Lizzy and Lizzy Drive southeast of Nova Road west of True Lander Road providing for the entrance designation of the official feature official zoning map of the
finding planning following the planning commission's recommendations. Proof of publication effective date. >> Good evening. Melissa Dunlin, director of community development. This case before you tonight is for the annexation comprehensive plan and zoning map amendments for the project known as Nova
Road Community Center. This request meets both the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with Ocola County as it is contiguous to city limits and reasonably compact. The subject property currently has a future
land use designation of community center and a commercial restricted and RS3 residential single family zoning district within Ocola County. Sorry, that was the slide that I was supposed to advance to. And
now the next one, the proposed future land use is community center and the proposed zoning district is community center core. Both designations um would not be effective until the effective date of ordinance number 2024-50,
which is the future land use element. Um as you all may recall, um once you guys approve the future land use element, it's transmitted to the state. the state does their review after their review period and a short um 30-day window for any interested parties to make any
appeals, then it becomes effective. Um so it's not um effective yet, but we base the effective date of these uh changes within the ordinance. We base the effective date upon the effective date of that ordinance. So, um we can
move it forward prior to it being prior to the future land use um map and element being approved by the state since it has been adopted by city council. Okay, this is a graphic depiction of the
existing community center future land use within Ocola County. And this is a graphic depiction of the existing RS3 and commercial restricted zoning district within Oyola County. Okay. Hon or before September 25th,
2025, staff recommended approval. At their meeting on October 20 21st, 2025, the planning commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve ordinance numbers 2025-74,75
and 76 for the annexation, comprehensive plan amendment, and zoning map amendments for the project known as Nova Road Community Center. At this time, staff and the applicant are available for questions. >> Okay. Would the applicant like to speak
on this item? All three of the items. >> Uh good evening, mayor, council. John Adams, RJWA 8 Broadway, CM, Florida 34741. Uh we're in agreement with uh staff's report and recommendation of approval and planning commission's recommendation
for approval. We ask for your approval tonight. Be happy to answer any questions you all may have. All right. Thank you, sir. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? And does this council have any comments? >> And can we get a motion?
>> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Item number six. Uh, we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Gilbert, second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. >> Hi.
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> Can we get a motion on item number seven? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member second. Second. Council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Hall. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi.
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 5 Z. >> And a motion for item number eight. Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Fletcher. >> Second. >> Second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Urban, >> I.
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> hi. >> Council member Fletcher, >> hi. >> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Mayor Robertson, >> hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> Thank you, John. >> Will the clerk please read item number nine? >> Yeah, item nine was removed.
>> Thank you. >> Uh, please read item number 10. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-79 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Florida amending chapter 3 performance and sighting standards of the land development code by amending article 2 through 16 identified as
employee employment commercial LDC update project number CDA 25-00004 providing for severability scriers errors conflict administrative corrections codification publication effective date good evening Melissa Duncan again director of community development this
case before you tonight is an amendment to the city's land development code to create a new zoning district of employment commercial or EC. Article two establishes the employment commercial zoning district and updates table 3.2.1
which shows the zoning districts uh and which future land use designation they uh correspond to. The zoning classification is compatible with the employment center land use
The intent of the employment commercial zoning district is to expand and diversify employment opportunities within the city. Any requests for this zoning district require support from the city, Oyola County, or the state of Florida. This article um establishes
specific criteria which requires land to It looks like it skipped the slide. Give me a second. There you go. Um this article establishes specific criteria which um requires the land to be contiguous to two or more roadways
classified as arterial or higher. It must contain a minimum of 100 acres. It cannot be located in a mixeduse master plan area or uh a JPA infill center zoning uh or where a JPA infill center
zoning may uh not be appropriate and um must have an administratively approved master plan. Okay. Article six establishes development standards that have to be included in the master plan.
It also um establishes permitted uses um regarding the communication tower uh facility regulations. It um is a permitted use subject to any applicable requirements within the land
development code. There we go. Okay. Article 18 uh establishes standards for fences, wall and hedges. So essentially this zoning district will be consistent with our existing um highway business, neighborhood business and professional
zoning professional zoning districts. Um unless it is specifically approved to be different within the master plan. Okay. Article um 16 also establishes standards for signage but allows uh the
signage to be master planned as well to ensure continuity and design throughout the development. Honorable four September 29th 2025 staff recommended approval at their meeting on October 21st 2025. Planning Commission
also recommended approval and we are quest are requesting tonight that city council also approve ordinance number 2025-79 for the land development code amendment for the establishment of the employment commercial zoning district and staff is
available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you Melissa. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? And would anyone council have any comments? >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Fletcher.
>> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. >> Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> Will the clerk please read item number
11? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-80. An ordinance of the city council. City of St. Cloud, Florida, Florida, providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus minus 327.4
acres identified as Neo City South project CMA 25-000016 from Agricultural to EC employment commercial generally located north of Clay Road, east of the C-31 St. Cloud Canal, south of the Cross Prairie
Parkway, and west of Florida's turnpike. Providing for amending of the official zoning map of the filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect severability copies on file and effective copies on file publications applicability effect seability copies on
file and effective date. >> Good evening. Melissa Duncan again, director of community development. This case before you tonight is for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Neo City South. The existing employment center future
land use was adopted with ordinance number 2024-50. Again, that is the future land use element update. So this um is also um going to be effective upon the effective date of that ordinance once it is uh
approved by the state. And the applicant is requesting consideration of a zoning map amendment from agricultural to the employment commercial zoning district that um was just approved.
and they are approximately 327.4 acres of land. Okay, here is a graphic depiction of the aerial view for reference and this is a graphic depiction of the employment center land use that is
pending. This uh graphic shows the existing agricultural zoning district and here is the proposed zoning district showing the zoning as employment commercial. Honor before September 29th, 2025 staff
recommended approval with the following condition. The realignment of Cross Prairie Parkway and South Berry Drive and any related lot reconfigurations may be administratively approved by the city manager or designate in order to
expedite the review process for the construction of these framework roadways. Planning Commission at their meeting on October 21st, 2025 recommended approval with the condition as stated by by staff. And we are requesting that city council also
approve ordinance number 2025-80 with the condition as stated by staff for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Neo City South. And staff and the applicant are available for any questions. >> All right, Melissa, what was that lake just to the west of that?
I'm just kidding. Come on. Like, oh no. I I forget every time how to pronounce it. >> Tohjo. >> Lake Toho. >> Would the applicant like to speak on this item? >> Good evening again. John Adams, RJWA,
Inc. 8 Broadway, Florida 34741. Agent for the applicant. Uh we're in agreement with staff's report recommendation for approval and planning commission's recommendation for approval. We request your approval tonight and be happy to answer any questions you all may have.
>> All right. Can I ask um Mr. Tom from OciOla County if he's in the audience if you'd like to come up here and have a question? Actually, more of a comment. I always enjoy seeing you. council here. But >> I know how Chief Miller feels
>> now. Dave, I I just wanted to applaud Ocula County for the purchase of this property and not allowing residential to go on this 300 some odd acres. We need jobs in our community. This is where it's going to be. I know you all have great plans for this. So, I want to thank you guys, the whole county, for this.
>> Thank you, sir. We appreciate your staff and you guys as well because it's it's a partnership. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> That's it. That was it. Yeah. Thanks. >> I just like I just like to echo that uh Mr. Tomas. Thank you.
>> Yeah. I I want to say as well um our last workshop it was all about economic development and we said we've got to get high wage jobs into our city. This is high wage jobs and this is a lot of them. And uh like the mayor said if it wasn't for that we we'd probably have more housing there which none of us here
want. So just want to thank the county for working with us on this and I'm very excited to move this project forward. Yeah. And for the county naming it Neo City St. Cloud. We do love that name. >> All right. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?
Any any other council comments? Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Fletcher. Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. I Gilbert. >> Madam Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. Hi,
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi, >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> Thank you. >> Will the clerk please read item number 12? >> Public hearing for resolution number 2025-139. A resolution of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, granting a
conditional use for a church in the I in the I1 industrial zoning district on the one plus minus 1.47 47 acres land known as DMI business park project CNU25-00005 located at 4M1 DMI 400 DMI Court as
described in the body of this resolution tohoka Paliga I'm still working on it >> good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development this case before you tonight is for a request for a conditional use permit for the project
known as DMI business park. The applicant is requesting consideration of a place of worship within the I1 zoning district which requires a conditional use permit. The existing future land use uh was also
changed through the update to the future land use element. So right now it is designated as industrial but once the future land use element is approved it will be identified as employment for the future land use. Um I1 zoning district
is compatible with both of those. So that won't affect uh the zoning other than this zoning is effective upon the effective date of the future land use element. Um the services are um proposed to be held
on Wednesday evenings at 700 p.m. and Sundays at 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. with a maximum capacity of 30 members at the location at one time. Here's a graphic representation of the
existing industrial future land use and um which which is prior to the adoption of the future land use element. And this is a graphic representation of the I1 zoning district for context.
Okay, this um is the sheet from the approved site development plan for DMI Business Park. Uh the proposed place of worship will be operating out of building 2. Right now, the red arrow points to building one because initially
they were planning on operating out of building one, but they have since notified staff that they would like to change it to building two. Um the subject property uh did receive approval of this site development of a site
development plan variance on November 2nd 2023 for a reduction to their setbacks in lie of providing the 25 I'm sorry the 15 foot setback the applicant was responsible for providing an
alternate buffer design and these uh requirements should have no impact on the proposed place of worship. Okay. Honor before September 25th, 2025, staff recommended approval with the following conditions. I'll read um all
four in into the record. The first one is the approval of the requested conditional use does not constitute the approval of the provided concept plan. Changes to the site will require approval of a site development plan and any additional approvals required by the
land development code. Number two, no reduction in parking shall be permitted. Number three, this approval is for this place of worship, the upper room sanctuary church only. Upon this church leaving the subject property, this
conditional use shall expire. And finally, the last condition, for as long as the use permitted here continues, in the event that stacking or standing of vehicles encroaches into the public right ofway or otherwise
interferes with the flow of vehicular traffic as determined by the city, the resolution may be brought back before the city council for review and consideration of additional conditions to address traffic issues or possible revocation of the rights granted here
ender in perpetuity. At their meeting on October 21st, 2025, planning commission also rec recommended approval with the conditions as stated by staff and we are requesting that city council approve resolution number 2025-139R
with the condition at conditions as stated by staff for the conditional use permit for the project known as DMI business park. Both uh staff and the applicant are available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. Would the
applicant like to speak on this item? >> Mayor, before the applicant, may I ask Melissa a question? >> So, the parking agreement, is that still a condition? >> The I'll let Marcos answer that question.
>> It wasn't in your presentation. >> Um, good evening. Kbastian uh deputy director. I believe that we were discussing about having a parking agreement um as part of their next phase of development because um there was some
concern with not having enough parking for all the users that are coming into the into this first base. >> It's listed on the resolution for approval. There's a condition on here about the parking agreement. >> Yeah, that's why we're asking. Okay, let
me check that because I'm wondering if they carried over the planning commission slides and didn't change it in between. So, let us let us check that real quick. >> Good for the advocate. Would you like to speak on
this item? >> Good evening, commission and mayor. Uh Steven Mo. applicant and available for any questions you may have. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you, city manager and uh Dan, city attorney. Um that is correct. There's there is a condition missing from the slides. Um it's uh a fifth condition that says prior to approval, sorry,
prior to the conditional use approval, a legally binding and recorded parking agreement shall be executed by the property owner of DMI business park phase one. This agreement shall clearly define the allocation, location, time
frame, and uses of parking spaces that will be utilized by the business of the proposed conditional use. >> And mayor and council, although that wasn't in the presentation, it is included in the resolution item that's before you.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Melissa. Would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this? >> Hi, I'm Danny Martinez. I'm the owner. We already went over the parking stalls according to the uh city ordinance. It's
for um there are seven parking stalls. There would be four for each one. So that's 28. That matches the city's requirement for that building. It'll be too, you know, over.
But that's all I got to say. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> All right. And council discussion. >> May I have a question for Melissa? Melissa, could you come up there? I'm sorry. I know she keeps coming up and down. >> Could you go back to the map of of the parking um
>> in the layouts of the buildings? >> Yes, sir. >> I think council member Fletcher was looking at that also. They're trying to get a count of those total parking spaces and then it has building one, two, three, and four. Now the place of worship, I understand through
presentation is going to be in building number two. >> Correct. >> Is there any other things going on in building 1, 3, and 4 during the uh hours of Wednesday 5 to 7 and I would just say Sunday uh morning and afternoon. >> I think that's a great question for the
applicant. Would the applicant like to answer that question? >> No, it's going to be u BNC mowers is moving into one. So, it's just mowers and repair going on. But, uh, as far as the parking stalls go, I mean, they're
not going to have that much business. So, there's more than enough parking stalls throughout the rest of it anyways on three, too. So, there's seven stalls. They're probably only going to use four of theirs. >> I I I I I
hope BT has some business. I mean, >> well, most of their drop off and leave >> and we're talking about between five and seven. That's what your question, right? Yeah, they they shut down I think at 3:30 4. >> Okay. Yeah, places of worship are great.
I just But looking at the parking, it just it won't be a concern and and I think C Fletcher was looking at the same thing. Were you not? >> I had a I had a question. >> Um so in the the um the backup where the
background information it states the hours of operation. Um does that restrict the applicant and the property owner to those hours? So say they decided to rent the facility for an event to one of
the folks at the church like that during the day. What would happen in that scenario? >> They could do that. If we don't add it as a condition of approval, then they could essentially change those hours of operation. So, um, it was not a
condition of approval. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think I think it was a uh a like an honor system type thing, but I I think it's a great idea to add it as a condition of approval because it's in the background. That's what they presented to staff, but if we don't make
it a condition of approval, they could change it in the in the future without coming back to the city. >> I mean, I don't want to not in the you know, I don't want to hurt the church. I don't mind approving churches. We do it all the time. I just don't want there to
be major Right. >> We are limiting the um attendance to 30 people at one time within the conditional use. So ideally that would reduce the number of cars because typically you know there would be at
least two people per cars um or two or more people per cars in a perfect world. But of course we can't guarantee that. No >> it's not in there. >> It's not a condition. >> Oh that's not a condition. And that's just what they also proposed to staff, >> right? So, so the so these are things that would be covered in a parking
agreement, which I think is why staff was recommending the parking agreement. As part of the parking agreement, they're going to be able to to determine during which hours where these where they can park, >> which spaces, >> right? And and then if if they go outside that and there's a problem, then
they have the condition already listed in here that they can return to the city council to review the conditional use to ensure that it's still complant. And that's why there's a condition that it can be revoked. So that um it wasn't part of the staff's recommendation of the parking agreement, but that's that's
why we do these parking agreements as a condition. >> And Danny, that that would essentially fall back on you if they violate the terms of that. >> Yeah, I'd take Yeah, that'd be all on me. >> So, okay. >> I mean, we're just following the city's
ordinance at 4 to 7. So, I mean, that's as far as we could go with that >> because we're not doing a conditional use for the church itself, right? This is >> you're doing a conditional use for the assembly piece >> on the property. >> The property. So, the building is even
though it has a certain amount of square footage, it's being used in such a way that as you mentioned, you may the other the other tenant in one of the buildings isn't going to generate that much traffic. But this particular use is actually intended to generate up to 30
people at one time in the facility. So that's why the parking becomes an issue as it relates to how this particular building is going to be used and also point out to you the city manager is correct there is a condition that would come back. However, that condition I think needs to be revised a little bit
because it talks about standing of vehicles encroaching into the public rideway or otherwise interfering with the flow of vehicular traffic. That's a little bit different than parking on premises from a if you think that B I read that to mean if there's a problem with the
stacking on the public rideway, but what we're talking about right now if there's a problem with parking internal to the site, I think that's what we're talking about possibly coming back if I'm incorrect about that. >> Because I don't I I don't like putting
restrictions on people's property, you know, to be able to develop and stuff, but I guess it could be self police because if you're going to get three other tenants and they're not happy with the parking situation, they're going to end up leaving. So, >> yeah, >> that's um Go ahead, D. Sorry.
>> It's um you're talking the church is going to have odd hours anyways compared to everybody else. So, and I got B uh DMI Business Park 2 coming in and I've already got most of that, you know, like pre-leased. So, I already kind of like
worked it all out anyway. So, that we should have plenty of parking. >> Is number DMI business park two. Is that south of this? >> Yeah, it's right beside it >> where it says future driveway connection. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was wondering why you didn't
make those parking spots as well. But you're going to have another project. >> That'll be the new driveway and then there'll be parking spots on each side plus a new island. There's a whole bunch more going in with it. >> Okay. Have you that with staff yet an idea of that? >> Yeah, I've already got it turned in. I'm
waiting on a second approval. >> It's under review. >> Okay. Are are you going to allow parking for the church there as well if there's any issues or trying to work out some kind of an agreement? >> If need be, they can. Okay. Like, you
know, the the odd hours is what's going to throw everything off anyway. But I'm I'm just going to assume that there's going to be more than enough parking there. I mean, It's a successful church, which churches want to be successful and add to the congregation. And uh >> I think they're a smaller church.
>> I mean, we can ask you. >> Okay. >> Obviously, the church's intent is not to violate anything that we put here. Um we were at a church uh in the county uh for almost 18 years. The building was sold
unexpectedly and here we are. So if we would have to come back for additional parking, we've been basically without a location since August 20th. So obviously, you know, we're going to do the right thing, abide by whatever the
commission would suggest. Um if we did grow, then uh then obviously we'd come back, but we're not here looking to violate anything or cause a problem to the community. We're trying to be a blessing to the community. >> Right. Yeah. Okay. So, you need a place
obviously because you're >> Yeah, we're pretty much homeless. >> The existing population congre Yeah, it was unexpected. Um, we dumped a bunch of money in the building, thought it was going to be donated. Uh, the building was sold. So, we're at the mercy of the commission, but we're not here to
violate or cause a problem. >> Yeah. No, I want you to be successful and that's why if you are successful, which I know you will be, um, that that the park is good, but obviously with what you got, I think, uh, you're those concerns. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Does this council have any other comments? >> And can we get uh anybody from the audience like to speak on this? Jim Moore, 3855 Santa Cedro Circle, St. Cloud, Florida 34772. Um, I know Mr. Moer, uh, I've attended
this church in the past. I I also just kind of want to add it in there, too. A lot of families go to this church, so I think a lot of the parking problems will be, you know, I know his whole family comes in one car, one vehicle. So, it's a small family church. A lot of small family that goes, so I don't think we're
having 30 different cars. You might have four or five different families coming in in cars that get to the 30 people. So I think where we're concerned about allowed parking that there's not going to be that many cars. It's not going to be 30 separate individuals. >> Yes, sir. That's all.
>> Thank you. >> Any anyone else in the audience like to speak on this? >> And can we get a motion from council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban.
>> Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. Hi, >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi, >> Council Member Fletcher. >> Hi, >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> Thank you, guys.
>> Will the clerk please read? Uh let's go ahead and take a five uh 10-minute break here for Yeah. >> And will the clerk please read item number 13? Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-55 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a
zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida specifically changes the zoning designation approximately plus minus 24.37 acres identified as Stephanie Lee Rosign Memorial Park reszoning project ZMA25-00008
from 8 agricultural to open space recreation located at 2701 Missouri Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication serability serverability effective date. >> Good evening Melissa Duncan, director of
community development. This case before you tonight is for a zoning map amendment for the project known as Stephanie Lee Rothstein Memorial Park. The existing future land use is park and open space and this land use was changed
with the future land use element ordinance number 2024-50. So it will become effective upon the effective date of the future land use element update. The uh existing zoning is agricultural and the proposed zoning
is O open space recreation and there are approximately 24.31 acres of land. This is a graphic representation of the previous lowdensity residential future land use that exist existed prior to the
adoption of the future land use element. Here's a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the existing agricultural zoning district for context. Honor before June 16th, 2025, staff
recommended approval. Planning commission also at their meeting on August 19th, 2025 recommended approval. Likewise, we are requesting that city council approve ordinance number 2025-55 for the zoning map amendment for the
project known as Stephanie Lee Rothstein Memorial Park and staff is available for questions. This is a city initiated zoning map amendment. >> All right. Thank you, Melissa. Um, how come are we changing the the property
that we have south of that as well or just maybe it's a city manager question the wooded lands that we still have >> this? I'm sorry. >> Oh, Matt, >> you know which the wooded area
>> because it would be it's all city property. We could >> maybe we can do it down the road. Okay. >> I just didn't know why it would only be just that right now. >> I think it's because that's just the act the current area that's really considered the parkland where the other areas.
It is considered the parkland also though. So >> yeah, we can certainly bring that back under um a different application to change that one as well. >> Right. Thank you. And since we're the applicant, would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?
>> And any council comment? >> I disagree with you, mayor, that we should look at the other piece. >> It just makes sense, doesn't it? >> You're right. And uh now and we're talking I think in further down here or we already have
about the Massachusetts Avenue extension. So that's going to run through this property. Okay. Any other council comment? And can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second.
>> Second from Council Member Paul. >> Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Urban. Hi, >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi, >> Council Member Fletcher. >> Hi, >> Council Member Paul. >> I, >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> Will the clerk please read item number
15? Uh, 14. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-56, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning amendment zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 0
8 acres identified as Roma Road reszoning project ZMA 00009 from R1A single family dwelling 20 open space recreation generally located on the southeast corner of Rumbl Road and Eastern Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning
map following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publications effective date good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development this case before you tonight is for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Rumble Road.
The future land use is park and open space. This one is also subject to the future land use element ordinance number 2024-50 and the effective date will be based upon the effective date of that ordinance. The exist existing zoning is R1A single
family and we are proposing to change the zoning to O open space and recreation on approximately.118 acres of land. Here's a graphic representation of the previous lowdensity residential future
land use. And here is the graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the R1A zoning district for context. Honorable 4, June 16th, 2025, staff recommended approval. Planning
Commission also recommended approval and we are requesting approval of ordinance number 2025-56 from city council and this is also a city initiated reszoning request. So staff is available if you have any
questions. >> Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item >> and council comments? >> Mayor, if I may. >> Yes, sir. Mayor, >> the if I may ask the city manager or
Melissa, this uh 118 area, is any of that going to be used for the Rumbl Trail? >> Yes. >> Okay, that's what I thought. I just need clarification. I yield back to Mayor. >> Thank you. And any other council comment? And can I get a motion?
>> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. >> Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi.
>> Motion carries. 5 Z. >> Will the clerk please call item number 15. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-57, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Florida providing a zoning amendment a zoning map land development code for the city of St. Florida
specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus -0.97 acres identified as Canary Park Reszoning project ZMA 25-000010 from R2 single family single to two family dwelling to O open space
recreation located at 901 Virginia Avenue providing for entering the designation of official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication availability and effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This case before you tonight is the zoning map amendment
for Kenny Park. The existing future land use is park and open space, but it is also subject to the future land use element ordinance number 2024-50 and the effective date will be effective upon the effective
date of that ordinance. The existing zoning district is R2 single and two family dwelling. We are proposing to change the zoning to O open space and recreation on approximately 97 acres of land.
Here's a graphic representation of the future land use depicting the um land use prior to the adoption of the future land use element. And here is the zoning map representing the uh R2 zoning
district for context. Honor before June 16th, 2025 staff recommended approval. Planning Commission at their meeting on August 19th, 2025 also recommended approval and we are requesting approval from city council on ordinance number 2025-57
for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Canary Park and staff is available for questions as this is also a city initiated application. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to
speak on this item? And is uh council familiar with this property? >> He's got his picture in there. >> Well, I like the complaining about that because I pulled the weeds on that before y'all even got to fix it up. So,
in middle school, >> before you middle school, I know. No, there's a picture with Miss U Powell was my middle school teacher and you're elementary school teacher, but there's a picture when he was in elementary school in that building. So, that's that's real
cool. Um, any other council comments on that? All right. Can we get a motion on that? >> Motion approved. Motion approved. Deputy Mayor uh Gilbert. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi.
>> Council member Paul I. Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 5 Z. On to council action. And will the clerk please read resolution number one?
>> Number two. We already we already heard number one. >> Oh, you were so right. Will the clerk please read number two? Resolution number 2025-166R, a resolution of the city council of the city of CCloud, Florida, authorizing the purchase of 125 courageous fire vote
with operations available through GSA contract number GS-07-36 03621 and the award thereof to Jervis Aluminum Boat LLC DBA Metal Shark and providing an effective date. >> Good evening, Jason Miller, Fire Chief.
Um, as previously approved, um, funding was done earlier this evening through the budget amendment. This is for a 2025 Courageous Fireboat. It is a 25 foot long boat. Um, has a great warranty on the hall and structure. T-top for some shade for our personnel. Twin 200
horsepower MC motors on it. Obviously, emergency lights, sirens. It's got a GPS display fleer unit and a fire pump as I previously mentioned. Um, again, previously mentioned, our old boat is a 1989
boat. It's well lived its life. It's ready to be retired. Um, we feel like this is a great boat that'll lead us not just now, but for future years, um, as the city grows, we wind up running more and more calls on the lake as was previously mentioned, and this will be a
great asset to the department. Staff recommends approval. We ask council for the same. All right. Can you go back to the picture? Is that what it's going to look like or is that going to have an enclosed cabin? I've seen other >> It will be similar to this. Um the front actually the uh where it's a straight I
guess windshield area. It's going to have a little bit more of a slope to it and a little bit more T-top to it. This is the closest representation they could get us on the fly. So very cool. All right. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item
and council comments? Just uh 300 gallons per minute of water. >> That'll be plenty. Too much more than that, we might sink the other boat. >> Will you take us for a ride on it? >> I will be more than happy to. Um yeah,
I'll be more than happy to. Just as a side note, Miss Powell was my middle school teacher also. So, we were her favorite students, weren't we? >> That's right. Infamous. She took it easy on the elementary school kids.
All right. Any other council comments? Can we get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Mayor Clerk. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member P. >> I.
>> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. And I thank you. >> Thank you. >> And will the clerk please read item number four? We did three already, right?
>> Yes. >> Discussion and possible action regarding the review and determination of the applicant's appeal request for project number COA24-000022, Historic Preservation Board approval with conditions located at 11:22 New York Avenue.
>> Good evening. Melissa Dunland, director of community development. This case before you tonight is a request for an appeal to a decision made by the Historic Preservation Board. The subject property is located at 11:22 New York Avenue.
Um the original scope of work included exterior modifications which included the replacement of the seconds story windows, removal and repair of existing stucco and modifications to existing openings.
The conditions um that the historic preservation board uh approved the certificate of appropriateness with um included um standards from the secretary of interior uh and they don't uh
necessarily support or recommend removal of this stucco. It's recommended to repair the stucco by only uh removing the damaged material and patching with new material that duplicates the historic uh stucco. Um at the time the
certificate of appropriateness was submitted. Official window materials and design had not been submitted which required the board to allow staff to review those details at an administrative level once submitted. And that's where condition number two came
from. Sorry, I forgot to advance the slide. Okay. Um, the applicant is requesting to appeal the historic preservation board's decision regarding the total removal of the existing stucco. In their provided appeal letter, the applicant cites that
in order to ensure structural integrity of the building as a whole, they need to remove the stucco in its entirety to assess the any damage beneath it and make repairs. However, they are requesting to replace the heavy textured
stucco uh with a modern sand finish once completed. This is a graphic depiction of what modern sandfinish stucco looks like compared to what is currently existing on the building. The heavy textured
stucco is on the right and the modern sandfinished uh stucco is on the left. Um, the Secretary of Interior standard does allow for removal of facades such as this in order to preserve the structural integrity of a historic building as a
whole. Specifically, their standards state that they do not recommend patching or repairing stuckle without removing the source of deterioration. If the source is underneath, the applicant must remove it to determine. Um, staff would support the removal of the ex
existing stucco. However, the existing texture must be replaced. Uh the sandfinished uh texture is modern and the application of that would not be supported by staff.
This is the 1912 photo that shows uh when the two buildings had different facades. When the two buildings were altered, the heavy textured stucco was applied which can be seen by the seam that um shows on the existing building.
The proposed sand textured stucco finish is a modern application and would obscure a finish that has been in place um at least in part for over 100 years. Um at the time of the original construction, the current building
existed as two separate buildings. Um but uh they were adjacent and were eventually stucked over with that heavy texture stucco which gave it the appearance of it being one cohesive building. Uh there's a visible seam down
the middle of the um east elevation that shows the two buildings were joined. And you can see that on this photo. you'll see that the seam um is there where the two buildings were joined with the stucco facade.
Okay. Uh the applicant did note that they would be able to replicate the heavy um textured stucco if it's deemed appropriate um by council. And um so staff is recommending approval with the
following condition that all proposed work of the appeal may be completed apart from the sand finished stucco and the finish must be the heavy textured stucco. So, um, we are also requesting
that council approve this appeal request with the condition as stated by staff and staff and the applicant are available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. Would the applicant like to speak on this item?
>> Good evening. My name is William Campbell. I live at 816 Maryland Avenue, St. Cloud, Florida 34769. I'm also the treasurer and the trustee of this St. Cloud Lodge number 66 of the Independent Order of Oddfellows. Yes, I'm an oddfellow. That lodge building
has been in existence over 110 years and we've been in that location for over that long. I don't know when the Stuckco was changed, but we are looking to appeal this for a couple of different reasons. We don't particularly care for the aesthetics of that, especially with
all the other buildings around the area that are in the sand finish or stone or something of that nature. More of a modernized. Uh we don't mind going back with a little bit of a texture, but that thick texture has a lot of weight on that structure. A second reason we'd like to remove that uh stucco, that
heavy textured stucco, is to look at the structural membranes behind that. Uh the reason being that we did tent that building for termites about seven or eight years ago and we had to tent the whole block to do that. But we went to the expense and had that done. Uh and so
we did have a termite problem. Hopefully we've got them under control now, but we don't know the damage that they have occurred that has occurred behind that wall. So we would like to remove that texture and we would love to go back with a stone finish because that's going to match a lot of the buildings that are
in that area. Um, I know it might not be the thick texture, but again, the picture that you're seen is what the building was originally looked like. All right. So, there's many different uh types of finish on that, but we do own the whole
building, both sides. If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer them. Even I could get you an application to be an odd fellow. >> I've been an oddfellow. I was on the baseball team at 13 years old. Oddfellow. my uh person
from Wall Brothers. He was on the baseball team there for the fellows. Yeah. >> Um >> what was the original finish in that picture? I couldn't really tell. It was a little dark. >> I can pass it around to you if you'd like. >> Well, what do you know what it was? What was the >> um the right side or the left side
looking at the building I guess was tin. Okay. Metal. >> Yeah. So, the left side appeared to be metal. And the right side used to be a stone, but I believe that was a veneer type of stone. It's only about an inch and inch
and a half thick, but it had a kind of a design on the block. We still have some of that on the side, the north side of the building, which is on the right and inside the building. That used to be a theater, Lutz Theater, I think is the name of it, back in 1910.
>> Okay. Um because my question is is couldn't we do a stamped concrete of like stone like kind of similar to city hall that's a stone or a stamp concrete or stamp >> brick? Yeah. >> Is that something that >> we would look we would do ship L
anything of that nature that could be more aesthetic than the stuff that's on there now. Right. >> That stuff holds water. If you look close enough you can see on some of that thick trled stuff. You can see where it's dark where it holds water in there. And I think we might even had some
infiltration of water inside that. We do have the windows that leak and then we've been having to keep up with that quite a bit to keep that under control. So that's why we're want to replace the windows and everything as well. >> In lie of that heavy stucco, you could put the thin stucco but stamp it with a
stone look. >> Yeah, I'm sure I would have to get with >> Melissa. Is that something that instead of the sand finish look because we're talking about more of a not not a modern look. We want a more of a historical look.
>> If if I may call our subject matter expert Stephanie Streer to talk about this. Um I would rather her answer the questions because she's um been trained and involved in this more than I have been. That walk's intimidating. I don't know
how Chief Miller does that all the time. Hi, Stephanie Streers, principal planner with community development. So, that is something that we could potentially look at. They don't recommend it only because we would then be changing out the materials when we're restoring a project. If we were to restore it to how
it used to be, they would want those same type of materials rather than just replicate the look of it. So it's not necessarily what it looked like, it's the materials that have become historic in itself. So that heavy textured stucco or heavy trout stucco is what became historic in itself. If they were to
restore it to how it looked then, they would actually need those materials to be. So it is something that we could potentially look at if it was the look, but I don't know that the secretary of the interior that's something that they would support. But what were the bill when you said
what was on there before was that not a stone material? So it's made out of the same material if we put the stucco. I mean it's a concrete based sand stone. >> I would think that the stone on the right side is a concrete stone. So I don't like think it's necessarily a
stucco >> but it's a stone. >> Right. But it's not metal. It's not wood. The exterior finish would be what would you call the exterior finish of this >> with the stuckco the new stuff right?
>> So instead of stone I mean well then could you put stone on there veneer if if that's what >> yeah like I'm assuming that we could of course a lot of that's going to be cost effective and everything and whether my contractor can do that. Okay
>> and that's why I said maybe if we replicate the look out of a a concrete material to make it look the way it did. Um, but that's something that you would have to discuss with the state. >> We could look at the secretary of the interior and if it would be the
council's decision with once they remove it and determine the damage, we could approve it administratively rather than have it to bring it back to the historic preservation board where we can review the materials that they proposed, what would be viable for their um, finances, anything like that. And we could review
it at an administrative level. and compare it to what is our secretary of the interior. They have a table of recommended versus not recommended for material replacement. >> So this appeal is asking for them to do this the finished sand
>> to remove it in its entirety and then replace it with the sand finish. So the removal of its in entirety is the reason why we said they could only do that patch and repair because the secretary of the interior never recommends removing a historic material in its entirety.
Unless it's for the integrity of the building >> and that's wood frame behind this and that's why there was termites. Right. Okay. So, I mean I support the removal of that if it's to protect the property and and and um mitigate any damage behind there.
>> Yes sir. >> Um so you had mentioned termites and and other issues. Um I see that your contractor's here. So, is the structural integrity of the building, you know, at risk if you don't remove all of this and put it back?
>> Don't know. >> Right. >> It's not been exposed. >> Okay. So, we have not been able to get inside without tearing walls apart and stuff like that. Whether it be exterior, interior walls, we don't know what this inside structural looks like.
Um, also have have you had the opportunity to meet with our historic preservation consultant um regarding this? >> Uh, so our historic preservation consultant does review all of our major reviews and provides her feedback. So that original
feedback on the approval, the condition of approvals is from our historic preservation consultant. So she is the one who recommended only repairing it in kind. I do want to point out as well if we potentially we remove all of it and then replace it with a material that it
is not what it originally existed. This is part of the national historic district and it is part of the certified local government. There would be a potential, it's not to say that it would for sure happen that it could lose its national historic significance.
>> Okay. Um and then one more question. How long have you been going through this process? I'm just trying to learn a little bit more about this process because the you know I have to I for me I have to balance economic development and investment in our downtown versus historic preservation. So I'm curious to
know how long the process has taken for them to get here >> for this appeal. So they I think >> no not the appeal from the beginning to the end >> from here. Oh, I would have to look I would have to look at the dates. I believe this one moved rather quickly
when they submitted and it got it when it gets reviewed it takes a 20-day review because again we route it to our historic preservation consultant. If she has any comments or conditions of approval or we move it forward to the next meeting that was available. So I believe this one moved rather quickly. I
would just have to confirm on our >> okay because in the in the background information it is at the April 8th historic preservation meeting. So I was just just seems like a long time when they're just trying to I know it's not you it's the standard that we have. It's just because I had asked for a workshop
on historic preservation and different things and you know I'm interested in >> ensuring that we can make this process you know streamline as possible to both protect you know the integrity of the downtown and the historic district while also balancing economic development. So
thank you. >> So staff is recommending approval of the appeal. So everybody's on the same page. >> We our condition would just be with the heavy textured stucco to remain consistent with what existed. So we are recommending approval of the appeal, but
rather than the sand finish, we're requesting the heavy textured stucco because that is the historic look in the material of it. >> So what's the appeal then? >> The appeal they want to remove it in its entirety. The original condition was that they could only repair and replace
the damaged portions of the stucco. And then there's also another part of the appeal that they were doing the raised trim bands on the window which we were also in support of. >> Okay. Thank you, Dan. I understand the historical stuff, but
if they put a material there that is of that time period, would that not suffice? I mean, that's that's really what we're looking for is is to have the look of what would have of what it would have looked like. But
as Mr. pointed out the whole concept of historical preservation is to basically includes the includes the appearance but also includes the material. So from the strict standards of your historic preservation ordinance historic preservation board and the interior
secretary guidelines includes the material. So staff and everybody is really locked into that. That's why this appeal process is here. The council can dec It's okay with making a change and but
staff's following the rules under the code and so do the historic preservation. >> May I have two questions here? >> Yes sir. >> Um we talk about and Mr. Urban help me out just because you you do this for a living. The integrity of the building. I
don't see how they can not take it all down to see how the building's integrity is existing. It'd be great if we followed the historic and as close as we want, but we don't want a building falling down because we're putting 10 pounds of of things where today if we
can get that same historical look for less wear on that building, it's 110 years old, has some termite damage. So, we don't know what until they take it all down. If we we don't let them do that, they might be doing this again in three to four years because more leakage. Uh so, it's a we can I think we
have materials now that keep the historical look but don't have the weight. I mean, uh, 110 years ago, they had lead paint. We don't do lead paint anymore. So, uh, I would just like to ask the council to consider being able to cons continue the historical look,
but with a modern material that's not going to be as much wear and tear and the integrity of the building, not keeping it standing. It's 110 years old, built that built by wood, has termite damage. the more weight you put on the side of it, the more it's going to hurt
the building in its integrity. And that's why I thought she talked about historical is has to be the integrity. So I yield back you that's my only and Mr. Urban if you know because you you're a builder. >> Yeah, you're exactly right. You're not going to know what the the damage is
until you start turn into it. So it's I I would be on the side of letting them take it all down. And like you said, Like the mayor said, maybe just getting something that looks that that historic look. It might not be exactly the same,
but I would favor that. >> I think we've all gotten into a project where we've removed some and said, "Oh my gosh, >> yeah. Money pits." >> Yes. >> Yes, sir. I would just like to say that I mean I don't want to lose the
historical part of it, but I don't want to see a historical pile of rubble either because the building has fallen down. So, you know, and we will try to work as best we can with trying to duplicate something of the lines of maybe the the material that's on this building or something. Uh we we really
don't want that rough or thick trough because like I say that stuff holds water. Uh we really don't want to do that. If not, don't we don't have to do a sand finish, but you know that thick tri stuff and I don't know if y'all have been by that building, but it's it's an
eyesore compared to the other buildings around there. So, we would appreciate any of this appeal that you can approve and move forward with it. Thank you. >> That building to the left. Um, so those are both together now, right? >> They are. Yes, sir. We own both >> a wall removed upstairs. I've never been
up in the the meeting. >> More than welcome to stop by. >> Okay. No, >> there used to be a theater, I think, on the right side, which would be the north side. Okay. It used to be a theater, the Lutz Theater and stuff. I'm not sure what the other side was. U but that's
kind of a dining hall for us upside upstairs and then our lodge hall is on the north side this right side of the building in there looking at it. So >> yeah and I know y'all have the businesses that are in there now you know y'all have invested a lot of money in whether y'all or the business to to
really clean those up and and put some >> right and we would like for it to be aesthetic for the business our renters our tenants in there uh which is a couple of good businesses and stuff like that. We would like to see them flourish too as well because of a a nice looking building.
>> Okay. Now, what about the the metal on the the south side of the building? Is that going to remain? >> We would like to cover that with possibly the same finish or sand finish with that being a building. Are you talking about talking about the south side of the building?
>> Yeah. Next to the brick building, right? So, it would be on the south side of the building, which is metal now. >> And it runs long ways instead of up and down. And we would like to put sand finish on that as well >> down the south side of that building.
Again, we've had some leakage in those windows so that tin is not and replacing the windows and stuff with the band. >> I personally would be okay with the Stuckco coming down and especially if you're to ensure that there's the damage
is fixed or any mitigation necessary. Um, but I'd also like something that pays attention to the historical look and to mimic that if you can. >> Yes, sir. >> What are y'all's thoughts on that?
>> Agree. >> Is that >> Yes, sir. >> Is that doable? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Can we edit your name for the record, please? >> Patrick Wall, 4156 Litman Road, St. Cloud, 34772. I was at the building today for 2 and a
half hours staring at it. There's 30 34 35 different repairs to that stucco. That picture you're looking at right there from the right to the left are two completely different stucco finishes. Completely different stucco finish. None
of the repairs match anything. They don't match anything at all. I sent pictures to several people. If you look at them, the count of eight on my appeal is not even a third of what I I stood there all two and a half hours today and
looked at every square inch of the building. >> And you've done this before, right? >> Oh, yeah. It's done. >> I know. Yeah. There's the Stuckco's got to it's it's going to come off by if we don't take it off it it'll be off. >> It's coming off. You look up high the
building is shaped like that. >> There had been some damage in the past not like five years ago or so some something came down on it or no? >> I'm not sure. If you look under renovation that >> there's a strip of
uh it looks to me like tar bull that was at one time flashing. >> Where was that at? >> Right on the face of the building >> right where the awning the blue awning. >> That's what I'm thinking of. I think this was maybe 10 years ago. I think something >> something happened. And now that tar
flashing strip is just dry tar painted that yellow color. And just under that little notch area where the two doors are, there's probably seven or eight finishes within a six
foot space that go around those doors. You can't see them too well in in the picture, but I have pictures of all that. If you just walk down there one time and just take five minutes, glance at it, you'll see You'll almost not be able to count the different repairs that have been done
and none of them match anything else. Each one's a different repair, a different stucco finish, a different mess. >> Well, and let's face it, that awning is is not a historical awning. That looks not is that something that's going to remain?
>> We're going to take it off, do the repair, and then if they want it back, we'll put it back. But right now, our plans on to put it back. The sand finish is a I mean Greece, Rome, the pyramids, they were sand finish. So
>> I'll put whatever finish they want on. >> What do y'all think? What's the >> unless you want us to put a porch on >> I don't think that. >> All right. And obviously we don't
Stephanie This is on the historical registry. Um, does it definitely affect that? I mean, do we know that that that would based on repairs? >> Based on the repairs, it could affect
it. So, there are certain things that the material, the look of the building when it was surveyed, this is how it looked and that was what made it its national register nomination its status. So changing the look of the building could put it in bad standing. It's not a
guarantee. The state would be evaluating it when we submit. We have to submit a certified local government report every year. So that would be some of the changes that we would have to submit and let them know. So it's not a definite, but it's potential. >> Yeah. And I think for the the purpose of
this is to mitigate any damage. I think that's um and just because it was done that way in the past doesn't make it right. Like remember Merrick Gilbert said they used to put lead in the paint and asbestous in their floors and the walls and we me and Dan talked about that today that you
know it wasn't always done right in the past and and um so thank you Marcus Marcus did you have something >> good evening Marcus Bashan deputy
director um you probably don't know this but I'm actually an architect education. So I just wanted to lead into a couple of things that we discussed tonight. I think we have to separate two very different questions. Number one is the the replacement u and the questions that
all of you alluded to about replacing part or replacing the hole. Having worked in structures like this in the past um I know that once you do that and you have to repair the membrane there's a very good chance you have to replace the whole wall because you start from the bottom. If you replace just a patch,
what happens that that damage essentially just moves to a different location on the wall and five years from now they're going to have a different uh different issue in a different part of the building. Um, so that aside, I don't think that anybody here is questioning the fact that they might have a a case
for just replacing the entire stuckle. Now, about historic preservation, Stephanie mentioned this. It's not about appearance. We could do all of this with vinyl and we would um, you know, Disney does that all day long. that's that doesn't make it historic. The historic
preservation criteria is based on um time-sp specific aesthetics, right? Like if you have a specific um accepted uh set of norms for that uh style of building which this is like the English Stuckco that they were talking about and
then you have u the materials and the techniques, right? So the material here is the stuckco and uh we're still talking about replacing with the same stuckco with a culture stone. So when you talk about that veneer and I cannot tell from that picture what that was if
it was a indeed a veneer. I have I have to believe that they if they still have samples that it is a culture stone which is just like a a concrete um you know formed in place. Um but then you have to replace that with something that is acceptable material wise and and then
that's how you ended up with the specific look is just a combination of the statics materials and the technique. So um just replacing this with you know a material that will not be accepted that's when you get into um the issue of invalidating your your historic
significance. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Well, that's Can I make a comment or ask a question? I mean, what's there now is not historically accurate to what was
originally built, right? That's correct. >> So, I mean, I I do understand what Marcos is saying and what what staff is saying. I do understand that. Um, to be honest, I think anything is better than what's currently there now. It's definitely in rough shape. It looks
pretty pretty bad. >> What year was this stuckco put on? Does anybody know? >> I do not. No, sir. I know the building the picture on the building is the this picture was in 1912, right? So, and uh
we took the building over shortly right after that. So, I don't know exactly when this Stuckco was placed on it. >> And you don't have any pictures from the 40s, 50s, or >> Unfortunately, I do not. And I would say I would maybe go out on
a limb and say that to get rid of this heavy trio and go with maybe a sand finish, we would maybe be willing to lose our historical. When you guys added this awning, did you already have the historical designation?
>> Uh, the awning was there when we got it? Yes. >> So, you applied for the historical designation after the awning was on there. >> Um, I'm pretty sure yes. I mean, we've got a plaque, >> but that was I think main.
>> So, they recognize that awning as historical. They still gave the historical designation knowing that this is a in 2005. >> There's not a state plaque from from the the Department of the Interior of the state designating the building as
historic. We have our our downtown historic district is a is a national historic district. >> Correct. >> And then we are a certified local government. So they go they all go hand in hand. >> Okay. So they would only lose it if if
we decided to not acknowledge it. they look at the entire district building permits within the entire district. So any demolitions that we had I mean we we can still demolish a building and not lose it but like she's saying at some point they as Mr. Jer said at some point
they're going to look at have we done so much change that it's lost its overall value as a historic district. >> Yeah. And I don't think that uh approving an alternate finish than this is going to destroy the whole look of
our whole district. I think we have a number of historical I mean hell they let them tear a building right across the street down. So if we let them tear it down then then we'll still keep our designation. But if we change the stucco we're at risk. I I don't think that that's the case. And I'm not saying
you're saying it is. I'm just putting all the putting that out there that I'd be in favor of allowing them to change the stock on this. >> I would I would agree with that and um I'm prepared to make a motion if you don't. >> Yes, sir.
>> Um motion to to approve removing all of the the stucco and replacing it what has been with what has been proposed by the applicant. Did I word that correctly? >> Yes, sir. >> Second.
>> Uh, yes. >> Well, so we're calling it what's it called? Sand finish. >> Sand stuckle >> with the sand stuckle. >> So, what you're basically you're basically granting their their appeal,
>> right, >> of the historic preservation decision, allowing them to put the remove all the stuckco and put the sand stuckco finish >> but removing the condition from staff that it right is that >> right you're not accepting the condition
from >> right so approving all of this >> okay so we have a a motion from council member Fletcher to approve >> second from council member Urban
>> madam clerk please call the role >> council member Iran >> I deputy mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> So may Mr. Mayor, if we could just clarify. So can we talk? There was the
issue with the bands. Is that >> still needed if you do the sand finish? Just just pointing out that their their request included the installation of raised trim bands with sand finish around all windows to protect vulnerable
transition points. >> So that would be >> they still needed to do their sand uh the the raised trim bands as well, but that was part of their appeal request. So council approved the appeal request >> that would be consist that would be incorporated into the sand. >> Thank you very much. Come out and see
us. >> All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate you. I thought we still had a whole page. The last one. >> All right. I'm not going to read this whole thing because there are no first readings and introductions at this time. City attorney, >> I do not have anything, Mr. Mayor. Thank
you. >> Thank you, sir. City manager. >> Thank you. I have two items. Uh first um as you know there was an advertising error at no the mistake was not the city's regarding the final budget of last fiscal year that needs to be adopted in November. Uh and we've we've
requested to do the special meeting on Thursday, November 20th before the city council workshop at 3:00. Just looking for consensus on on that. Thank you. And then um second, I had the pleasure of um
meeting with an Eagle Scout yesterday named Austin Cobb. Um I feel may have been a month or two ago. I had a conversation with the mayor about the um Veterans Park and how
several of the structures out there needed to be painted. And at the time we were talking, I mentioned that in the past there had been an Eagle Scout who had come out and and had helped us uh renovate out there. And uh so I reached
out to u one of the Eagle Scout groups that I had recently met with and um they met they they discussed you know that with the Eagle Scouts and Mr. Austin Cobb was excited to help us and he gave me a proposal yesterday. I just wanted
to let the city council know about it that I'm going to be working with him. He's from Troop 192 and he is has proposed to work on two artillery pieces out there. He's going to clean, paint, remove the mold, replace the tires. He's
going to fund raise for part of the funds. He's going to bring volunteers together to help him with it. Um it's a great project. At the end, um he'll have to put a little plaque on there acknowledging the Eagle Scout project, but I just wanted to share that with city council. was an amazing presentation. Uh very proud of the of
the man. Thank you. That's all. >> Thank you. And Council Member Paul. >> All right. So, I have a few items. Um wanted to first say thank you to the individuals for um donating turkeys. Um
I was contacted by a nonprofit who needed turkeys for senior citizens here in St. Cloud. I put out a notice um to on my professional page and residents and different people reacted to it. So I wanted to publicly say thank you to
those individual. They know who they are. So I don't want to call names out but thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um concerns from residents about um the Thanksgiving community dinner. Are we having that this year? I know they had it last year, but well, I think last
year, but there's concern. Um, residents wanted to know if that's something that they're doing again this year. >> I don't believe we had it last year. Um, we had a drop in attendance and so the city instead moved to with that money purchase turkey vouchers. We work with
the Council on Aging and vet St. cloud citizens who have a financial need and we've been distributing the turkey vouchers the past few years. >> Okay. So, how many of those residents um is it a hundred overall or is it just 100 residents from St. Cloud that will
be getting the vouchers? >> It's all St. Cloud residents if that's what the question is. >> Okay. And what was the attendance for the community dinner that they had maybe a couple years ago? >> I don't I don't know. I wasn't expecting that question, so I don't have that information.
>> Well, this Okay, it was brought to me um today, so I just wanted to um get clarification on that. And then because I know not everybody might not be able to get a turkey, but um there are residents maybe even seniors um as well
who I guess enjoyed the community dinner. So, if that's something maybe we can look at in the future, just bringing it up. And then, um, wanted to say thank you to St. Cloud Main Street for hosting the Halloween Downtown event. Um, that
was a great family event. Um, it brought out a crowd. Um, I had a table out there with my girls helping with candy. So, um, enjoyed that event. And then um also one last thing, I am attending the
National League of Cities Conference in Utah and um there are workshops that required a ticket and there is a fee of $100 per ticket, but wanted to um ensure well bring it up to see if it was okay
to um attend those workshops. Of course, it will be like $300, but just wanted to pit it out there and to um make sure it was okay to, you know, move forward with that. So, if you're okay with it,
>> I'm okay if you take good notes and share. >> I will do that. So, and then that's all I have. Council member Urban. >> Um earlier in the meeting, uh during the
public forum, there was a discussion about the theater group. I um I want to make it clear I do support the arts in our city and theater. I think what this group does is great. It was my understanding that um that the city
staff had worked out a a compromise with them that I I thought was pretty reasonable. And I know this is our only chance to talk as a council, but I I don't believe we're, you know, our intention is to push them out or leave them hang or anything. I want to support
that group any way we can, but we we do support the arts and we want to continue to support them any way and I know that our city will will continue to work with them in any way possible. So, that's all I wanted to say and um that's it. Thanks.
>> Yep. I agree with you on that. I think uh through a workshop I think with staff still communicate with them, keep the open dialogue, I think something can be worked out and council member Fletcher. Um I got a couple things here. I had a
resident reach out um there's a there's a huge hole um at Deer Creek Boulevard in Ricky Lane. So if we could have staff take a look at it. I was driving through the neighborhood trying to find it and almost destroyed the front end of my car. So found it.
So if we could get that taken care of. Um theater in the cloud, I agree with the comments that everybody made. Um if staff could, you know, continue to work with them and then um maybe we can put it on a on a workshop agenda um for us to see how we can um better support them
and and other folks regarding the arts here here in the city. Um and then I just wanted to say kudos to the mayor and the veterans council um for their I didn't have an opportunity to stop by, but I did um drive by on the way to to work and it looked like the attendance
was was really good and I seen fantastic things um on social media and from heard comments from folks who did attend. Um we've all really touched on the lantern festival. Um and then my final comment was um I received an email from Canoe Creek Sports Tavern. I don't know if
that went to to everybody. Um, I know that we've been looking at, you know, seeing what we can do with, uh, Krabby Bills down at the lakefront. Um, they have submitted, I mean, they sent us an email with really a draft. Um, so I didn't know if the council was interested in them actually giving a
formal presentation. Um, but, you know, all options open. Um, I think or at least hearing everybody would probably, you know, serve us well. So, if the council was open to that. >> Yeah, I think at the last meeting through with the presentation. bills
that we were going to where we leave that we were going to still work with them at this point, >> right? >> So, it's done maybe. >> Okay. >> I mean, I would be opening to listening to any presentation. I I think if you know I think we they I received the same
email. I saw their preliminary proposal, but I would be interested in hearing them out. I don't think there's any any hurt in that, but one vote. Yeah, we definitely hear them out. I just don't where do we stand with that? Is that has there been negotiations?
>> We haven't dove into the negotiations on yet, but the premise pro process would be we got some direction at the workshop about what you would be willing to accept from the with Krabby Bills. We're going to work on a revision to the lease agreement and we were going to bring it
back in front of you at a public hearing under your city code to enter into a lease agreement in excess of five years which is what builds looking for you have to have an advertised public hearing specially advertised public hearing for that. The
premise behind that is that other individuals who might want to lease the property can then come in front of the city council and say we'd like an opportunity to do that. That's general I think the general intent behind that provision of the code that applies not only to leases but also applies to any
property that the city might sell. So I guess the concept would be that the city council can always hear from other potential potential tenants potential lees whether you want us to reach out and ask them to submit an offer from those folks
so that we can start gauging staff can start gauging. I I would be okay with that. You know, at least giving them an opportunity similar that we did with uh gravities. >> So, would these be be considered unsolicited proposals, but then we'd
have to advertise? >> Yes. >> Well, we wouldn't we don't have to advertise under this pro process like you would for an RFP or an RFQ or something like that, but it does presume that because you're going to have a
published when you consider the lease that an individual could come in and say I can offer basically a better deal. So it's a little different process but it does give potential tenants the right to come in front of the city council and
make a presentation or pitch to be considered if you want. We could >> I mean we we could potentially have about 10 restaurants come to the table at that point, right? >> Potentially could. Yes. Or you could go to our you could go the true RFP process
and do it that way too if you want to. >> How did how did you were around Krabby Bills when we did that? Was that advertised out for any restaurants or >> Well, we went through the same process. The staff at the time went out there to seek a restaurant to be in there um at
the time and when it came time to leasing it. We had the advertised public hearing and no other potential restaurant showed up. essentially compete for the contract. >> So I think >> I mean that's it's
fine. I mean I would like I mean however we need to do it so that they can you know come and give us a formal presentation. >> Mayor's got something on his mind. Well, I folks coming out of your >> Well, I I do. But because you think of things this way, competition builds a
better business. And if we have people competing to to go into that facility, they're going to put the best foot forward. Extending a lease or giving that, then you're at the same old same old, which is fine, but competition beats success. And if you guys would
look at that lease, it's a great lease for whoever comes in and uses that It's a phenomenal lease. The square footage price lease itself. Uh, as we spoke of before, whoever comes in, I truly think we need
to be out of the catering business and they need to present a restaurant in a catering hall where we can get additional revenues for our citizens and offer that package where we're not overseeing that because I I still don't think we're a good a city's not a good
place to run a restaurant. We're just not built for that. So why and I nothing to describe Bill. It's a great restaurant, but why not? Now is the time. The lease is coming up. I think it's a year from now. Whatever. Uh Dan,
you think if the RFP, RFQ, or why don't we see what's out there? Don't know. Any input? Mayor >> I think you've got three already. So there's your >> So are we doing an RFP?
>> No, I think I don't know what's really out there. I think you can you've had you obviously have a interest expressed by Krabby Bills to renew their lease. That would require new lease and M and Deputy Mayor Gilbert. We certainly intended for this lease to be significantly different than the lease
that Krabby Bill started. When Krabby Bill signed that lease, it was intended to try to get a restaurant in a place there wasn't a restaurant already. basically give them an ability to build their business they've done. So that it's a different community than it was
when the lease was signed. So we expected the lease to be much more landlord friendly than that one. >> Yeah. Can I chime in really quick, Dan? I think that the last workshop we were given Krabby Bills an opportunity to present something else, right? And to say look
>> and if we don't like it then we can do this, right? That's kind of what we were giving them an opportunity. Was that not how we left the last meeting? >> Well, we were going to bring back an agreement with you. Hopefully, we're going to negotiate something because we hadn't reached an agreement as to the fair market value of the lease. We
hadn't reached an agreement as to at least there wasn't that was left open at the workshop. Deputy mayor's point about how are they going to operate the catering pieces of it for the, you know, for the second floor. What's this, what's the cost
split going to be between them as the city? hadn't figured all that out yet. So, there were a lot of deal points that still had to be negotiated before we could even get it to the point of bringing it back to us. And that's what we planned on doing.
We had a meeting scheduled coming up in the next couple weeks to talk about from a staff perspective where we wanted to go for the deal. But since you're getting another inquiry, I think there's there isn't anything wrong with reaching out to those individuals and say you
heard already what we did. >> I'm good with that, but I like to operate in good faith as well. >> Oh, absolutely. >> And we she gave a wonderful presentation. We told them we give them an opportunity. >> I don't want to throw that proposal away. emails from the tavern
>> for sure. The so the intent is definitely not to to derail the crabies. It's just >> like, you know, I'm sure that the the other establishment heard about it because we've been talking about it and then, you know, was like, "Hey, I would like shot to at least give a presentation." So, I I had received the
email and I had reached out. I I'll bring it up and see. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't nothing more. >> No, I No, I understand. I read it. It looked like a great proposal, but I also, like I said, you know, we we did hear them out, crabby
bills, and we said, "Okay, we'll give you an opportunity and we haven't heard back yet, but when we do, and if it's something that doesn't fit the, you know, that our appetite in that building, then, you know, obviously that we look at other proposals, but I think we gave them our word and said, "Look,
we'll give you a chance to to stay in there and bring something good to the table." And if they don't, they don't. So, and I I do remember that mayor and we did talk about them bringing something to us uh in that interim. We got I don't know if you all received it,
but I received the email evidently you did too. >> Uh and I just know competition, but I agree with you also. I don't think we told them that we're going to go with you, but I think we told them we'll give you a shot. >> We give essentially the right of first
>> refusal on it that come to the table with something and if we like it, if it works for us, If it doesn't, then >> I think what what we could potentially do is is, you know, we we had spoken with them at the last meeting and says, "All right, well, let's get it." Basically, it's kind of like teeing it
up for council to to approve it is is where we kind of I think left it off. And then if if you know the tavern wants to kind of do the same thing, if they can be brought forward at the same time, then we will have the opportunity to to choose kind of like we did. >> Well, then that breaks our word that we gave. I I don't think you were at that
workshop that we had. We told them she gave presentation. That's the only reason the public even even knows is we gave them an opportunity to continue with that lease based on their presentation. >> She came here I believe. Okay. >> But that's the thing we gave her right
>> so respectfully mayor like I I was very impressed with their presentation and we said we'd move forward with um looking at their agreement but I didn't commit to any I didn't I didn't say yeah we're going to sign this agreement. I I am not opposed at all to hearing out other
offers while we're working on I mean I I don't see an issue with with doing that. I I give credit to this another local business that had the initiative to send a proposal to us and I I don't see the issue of just hearing them out. We're not committing to them. We're not, you
know, we're just we're hearing them out. So, and I don't look at that as going back on our word, but that's that's just me. the part where we are going back on our word. We never committed that we would go with them but we we did commit to them. we give an opportunity to before we looked at other options if I
and we can go back and look at that and and we can put a pause on this because I don't want to I don't want this board to be out there saying yes, we'll help you, you know, we'll work with you and then go, you know, say something different, you know,
and because we have to have integrity with our citizens on this, you know, and and the businesses. No, we didn't we didn't agree that they would there for the next however many years. But we did say before we looked at other options, we're going to give you a crack at
bringing a proposal that works. If it doesn't work, there's no harm, no foul in in waiting until that if it doesn't work >> because if they say we can't come to an agreement, then we say okay, now we can open it up. >> I I could see that point and then I mean
it's nothing more than just coming to speak. But, you know, one could also say that other businesses say I hey, I didn't get the opportunity. The council didn't give us the opportunity to to submit something, but they're in a lease already and we've
already been, you know, this is all about um we were in negotiations with their lease. So, it's almost like we're creating a bidding war at this point. >> They're putting a proposal together. for
a refresh based on our comments. >> Yeah. And we told them we would give we gave them our word >> that we would give them an opportunity first. >> I see it similar like the P3 where everything comes forward together. We can >> but it wasn't advertised at P3. If we're going to do that, we need to advertise
it to the world so that everybody has an opportunity and that's where if that's what we're going to do, we can get 25 or 30 restaurants to bid on this thing. >> But there was >> then I'm okay with that. >> I'd be open to that. Yeah. And >> I think we would get a better response.
>> But I would like to also add that we gave Carly a opportunity to come here and share what they can do better for this facility. Um I think she laid out her presentation. Now we're waiting on
is it an agreement to give them the opportunity to review that agreement. And if they don't accept it, then we look at plan B. >> I agree 100%. That's we're not committing to it. Give them an
opportunity to propose what they want to propose and we we don't have to what if we all don't like it. Then it doesn't work. They respectfully disagree. But that's just what we told them. >> The way I look at it, it's the it's the
taxpayers's building. It's not Krabby's building. It's not K's building. It's So, why not open it up for, you know, I I was very impressed with Krabby's uh presentation. Um, and and and and I thought, you know, I think
they've been a great long-term partner, but why not open it up and see what options we can have? I think opening up to competition, like the deputy mayor said, just that that's beneficial to everybody. Could >> Could I comment on this, Deputy Mayor? With being respectful to everybody, if
we committed to Let's look at and we still have time. Do do we not Dan? >> Yes. >> There there's there's not a it's not a rush. I think there's a year left in a lease or somewhere maybe I'm wrong. June >> June. So we got seven or eight months. >> So if we could have them come back to
us, >> look at it and say, "Oh, yes, great." Or say, "Hey, no, we think we can do better." Then that's what you said. At least give them that. Is that what we said? Are you guys cool with that? And if it goes that way, >> we would essentially be lying to them
>> because we told them they came here, gave a presentation, a wonderful presentation, and we said, "We'll give an opportunity." Okay? And in the business world that I live in, I'm a man of my word. And when we say yes, we'll give you an opportunity. We're not signing on the do on the dotted line. We
are saying we're giving opportunity before we look at anybody else. That's what we told them. We would let them present something. >> Yeah. I don't think anybody here is not a man or woman of the word. I actually >> I just said I I five of us are I I I would think again I can't assume because
that's not a good thing to do. But if that's what we presented to him, then let's take a look at it. >> We have to do good >> instead we bad around. If that's what we said, let's take a look at it. >> When we're going to get it, I would like to ask the city manager and and the attorney so that the timing is if we have to turn left, we have enough time
to turn left. If we want to go straight, we can go straight. And that's going to time for us to review and get back with them. So, I think that's fair to them. Is that fair to us as council? You guys okay with that? >> Exactly. >> We can work to get a proposed agreement
with Krabby Bills in front of you in January. >> That will give you plenty of time to decide whether that works or whether you want to go. >> Yeah. Because they're going to put up what they can do. That's what they're going to give us. If it doesn't work for
us, we can go a different direction. >> Again, u I've did bids and contracts for a long time. You have too, I'm sure. But here, so if that's what we said, let's take a look at we got six months to move on that rather than look at what words
we said and what we promised because from what I understand, we didn't promise anybody anything. We did say we'd look at it and that's what you that's what you brought up. Is that am I wrong? >> That's how I recall that. that's where we left. If council's okay, then we'll look at it. And if it's in January,
we'll look at January and then we decide if we move forward, turn left, turn right, or go straight. >> And and I I think that if we don't like what they bring to us, then we open up for anybody to apply. >> I think I agree with that, 100%.
>> No other restaurant, >> Tony Romans might come in. I'm just throwing out fictitious names. you know, u uh um one of the steak houses in in DC, you know, might come in have a fancy steak. As you know, I love food. Sorry. Uh uh through uh I would
like to update uh uh the the council on F. >> Are you done? So, I'm sorry. >> Oh, he Oh, I thought it was me. >> Oh, what is I didn't know if he had any other >> Oh, I'm so sorry. >> No, no, no, no. You good? >> Yeah, that was the last one. >> You want to read my stuff? >> I just want to make sure. You can't read
that. You can't read that chicken scratch. Uh uh I'm going to give uh council uh an update on the FDOT Ayola update for the 26 and 27 uh plan. I just received it yesterday at Metro Plan and it'll give you an idea of what we're doing and what roads are being worked on
in 26 and 27. I'll give you all the way through five years, but just so you can tell anybody, you'll have a packet at your desk probably by Monday if that's okay. Just what I received. I want to share it with you. So if you talk to the citizens, they know. You going to share it now? >> What? >> Right now you're gonna
>> I just got the packet. I'm gonna make I'm gonna have Sandra make copies, mayor, and then give you all a copy of the packet that was delivered to me yesterday at the meeting. >> Okay. It just shows you everything that's happening tonight. So seminal orange also, but it's really not a concern here at the council, but it'll
show you everything we're doing. And we got some pretty big things coming up here. >> Yeah, we heard about something yesterday in our leaders lunchon. >> Okay. As well. >> Yeah, it's it's it's pretty exciting. So, I wanted to do that. Um, I know you're gonna go on this, but
fabulous event. I've done events my whole life, and the city, the fire, the police, the volunteers, the board, um, everybody just really made that thing fabulous for a first time event. So, I congratulate everybody that participated
in it and look forward to it being a a long-term successful thing for with that, I turn it over to you. Thanks, sir. Well, everybody up here participated in it because you guys established that veterans council which
created this event and um we had of course city manager was there, her whole family, the police chief, the fire chief, a lot of their staff, even Jeff Cooper was there came for the free hot dogs. I think >> he congressman stood state senator Paula
Stark. We had um >> Senator Arrington. Yes, Senator Arrington was there. It was a great event and we want everybody to come out Sundays. So, I'm going to go ahead and plug it. Thank you for bringing it up. Uh, Soldier City Sundays, every Sunday except for that Christmas uh event after
the parade. We're not going to do it that Sunday, but from 10:00 a.m. to 2 pm, community market, veteran resources, uh, I think we're going to try and rotate every other week. Police will be there, fire will be there. Um, just it's going to be a great event. Everybody come on out, enjoy each other. Parks and
Rec did an amazing job helping us out, kicked this off, and you know, we're kind of working through some of the the kinks in in in the event, but uh Theater in the Cloud, Josh, they they really stepped up and helped out a lot with that as well. We had some some great vendors and veteran resource, and I
think this thing is going to continue to grow and and um and then a year from now, I can hand it off to the next council member to to be in charge of the Veterans Council, which means you're in charge of that event, too. So, um no, I loved it. It was really a fun time. They had cornhole out there, played games
with the kids and and the police department brought the Bearcat out. Chief, thank you. Both chiefs, you know, we're all out there and of course we had u I know Mary Emma was out there and just it was just so cool to get a bunch of directors and everybody really support this thing.
Um before I go into the rest of my stuff, I want to ask about Mutter Road. Do do we put that on a list? Are we still looking at potentially connecting Mutter Road or is that something that we can revisit? >> We can always revisit. The city did take
it off of the list a few years ago. Um there was quite a few different reasons. I think one of them was um we needed to acquire some land and the residents in Pine Lake Estates were quite upset. Um this was also at the same time as CO
which caused um public meeting issues. Um, and you know, we really couldn't do a virtual meeting at the time with a lot of elderly people who had never been using Teams and Zoom and so forth. Um, and then public works was always concerned about um this the
connection into the transfer station area. So, it got pulled off of our our list. Um, at one point we've talked about doing it only for public safety access. Then then it's also been talked about for full public access. Um,
whatever the council's pleasure is, we can always put it back. Mr. Felinger, I think, has had multiple designs of it. He looks very excited back there. Um, >> hey, Kevin, can you come up here for a second? >> Mayor, that was originally built as
going to be a thoroughare, wasn't it? >> If you look at it, it looks like >> Yes, it looks like it dead ends right there at the city property. It was there is some right away. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Can I get your name for the record, please?
>> Kevin Felinger, public force director. >> All right. So, you do have somewhat of a design for that road. >> Yeah, like I said, Ocio Engineering was working with us on it, I believe, was the last people we were working with. Um, and so we do have a 60% set of plans, uh, I think was the last place we were at. Um, I know there was also
discussion about possibly just putting a a trail down through there also. Um, like I said, because there is a uh a track that I think was One of the biggest issues we had when it was platted. It was uh platted for recreational use only as opposed to a roadway.
>> City council years ago abandoned um that ride ofway. Staff recommended against it. I might know the planner that was involved. Um >> is this the Pinewood Gardens? >> Yes. >> Wow. I can see why. >> Yes.
My concern is that we don't have enough roads east west to get people to where they need to go throughout our city and if we have opportunities for connectivity. I I'd like to look at it at least. So let's go ahead and uh we can throw it on a workshop in the future
here. Then we can discuss it more openly and and go over the plans as well. So you don't need consensus for that. So throw it on a workshop. >> All right. uh Veterans Day celebration in Lake View. I spoke there on I think it was Friday morning. Talked to about I
don't know 500 kids. Amazing. I've never spoken to that many kids at once. And of course their adults weren't their parents. And uh I'd say there were probably 25 30 veterans there as well. Uh Patty O'Brien, she invited me. She helps put that on
every year. It's always an amazing event. And um of course uh chairman Heather Cahoun was there and I don't know if you'all know this but Lake View Elementary I went went there the very first day it opened up along with this Christine Drake here in the audience
here. She used to bully me in the hallways. She was in sixth grade. I was in second grade. So um but Patty O'Brien started there at the same time. So how cool. She's been there for 38 years. I think she took a brief uh um
summer off and then so yeah, it was so cool to be there. And my fifth grade teacher was there as well. She had brought her father uh to that. He uh he was a veteran. So it was cool to to revisit, walk through the library and say, "Oh, this is where I used to play Oregon Trail."
So it was a great ceremony. Um Soldier City Sundays, of course, every Sunday. We spoke about that already. Yesterday did Ocula Sheriff's Office veterans event. Of course, we had our police chief out there. What a great opportunity to be out there and be with our our the sheriff's department,
McCormack Institute. So, little did I know I was going to be part of that ceremony. So, I sit up on the stage and and uh but what an amazing event. Uh yesterday morning me and uh deputy mayor Gilbert and of course our police chief and deputy chiefs that we were at
the Windixie rebranding and I don't think this is getting enough traction but so Windixie purchased half of their stores back from Aldi and they're rebranding all of them and this was the very first one out of all of the stores that Windixie still has. um they're rebranding it, changing from
Southeastern Groceries to the Wind Dixie brand and changing their logo. And so all the corporate the executives were down here from Jacksonville and they want to be a community partners here. Um you spoke with police chief, he's he spoke with all them as well. We're um we're going to definitely take advantage
of that. So the next thing I What does this say? Oh, last night we did town hall at Neptune Middle School with the residents of King's Crest. We had the fire chief, the deputy chief, all their command staff, Kevin, Marma, Andrew, who else? I mean,
it was a whole slew of us. And it was it was such a great event. We got to connect with the residents. Um, kind of address any of their concerns. I think by the end of it, they were all thrilled to be city residents. um they feel safe
uh knowing that the the police chief and the fire chief, they shared shared statistics of any of the incidents or calls they've had in there, what types of calls they were, and they said, "We have definitely seen these officers in our community where we have never seen sheriffs come through there." So, not
knocking the sheriffs, but you know, our police officers, they patrol. They get out there, they take preemptive action, they get out there and um what do you call that, Chief? Can you come up here? You know the >> slow down. You might trip. >> I'm not taking I'm not taking that long
run. So >> you have you have a term. What what is that called? >> It's intelligenceled policing. It's basically there's no calls for service. We're just checking out in the neighborhood. We're getting out on the radio, letting the communication staff know that we're there and we're just basically interacting with the community, just letting them know they're here. There's no calls. We're just coming around saying hello to
everybody, shaking hands, and just uh want to make sure they see us. >> No, that was so cool. I really enjoyed being part of that. And and y'all had y'all had a great uh dynamic duo. You you both were there yet. Jason, you can look up when I'm >> We got to call him Sonic and Knuckles.
>> Exactly. >> But everybody brought something different to the table. You know, Deputy Chief Irving talked about growing up here. You know, moved here when when he was one and me as well had same similar story. So, uh even George was there to to greet everybody. So, um thank you for
for helping put that together. >> Yes, sir. Uh let's see. This morning I read to uh Stephanie and Bailey Ansbos's fifth grade class. Um got to address any and all questions and um that was another cool thing. That's the first time I've
I've got to to read um to a bunch of students. So I look forward to doing that more often. And you also we did uh what two weeks ago we did coffee with the residents. I thought that was really cool that we all participated in that. Um, the next thing I've got coming up
November 21st, Humanana reached out to me and and they're working with me on a um a turkey dinner voucher giveaway and they're going to do 100 families. So, 100 vouchers and so I'm reach I've reached out to the Council on Aging and
partnered with them. So, I'm going to do that November 21st in city hall, I believe, at 10 a.m. We're going to do it behind the escalator there. I'll have some more details on that. So, if y'all know anybody in need in St. Um, please contact the Council on Aging. They're the ones that are going to put together the list. It's not going to be
advertised out. You know, we don't want, you know, a free-for-all. It's going to be a structured voucher giveaway. So, >> is that going to coincide or be different than the U where we go to council? >> That's different. This one's next
Tuesday. When is No, the Thursday before the 20th. >> That is the council on agent one. >> Okay. >> Yeah. This one I reached out to because I wanted them to help me create a list because Humana wanted to partner with the mayor. Um I I work with them at the
museum. So they contact me and said, "Hey, how can we work with you on doing something else?" Um >> and so I reached out to the council to get to help them because they have they have contacts with those folks, the people in I don't. So, if you have
anybody that other than whoever's on the >> the the the city council event, >> then please call the the council on aging. >> And I know uh counciloman Paul had asked that question before. So, there's a couple different avenues that we can
follow that office. >> Yeah. And I encourage everybody to bring those relationships to the table because that's what it takes is, you know, those those companies with with the the needs, the will, I'm sorry, the the money to do so and get involved. And um
so I definitely took them up on it. Other than that, uh I've got nothing else to add. And let's go ahead and look at the information section here. Thursday, November 20th, we have a city council special meeting at 3 PM at the
St. Cloud Community Center. Right here, Thursday, November 20th, 2025, city council workshop, 3 p.m. or immediately following the special meeting at the St. Cloud Community Center. Thursday and Friday, November 27th and 28th, city office will be closed in
observance of Thanksgiving holiday. Thursday, December 4th, 2025, Community Redevelopment Agency, 3 PM at St. Cloud Community Center. Friday, December 5th, 2025, treelighting celebration, 6 pm at city hall.
Saturday, December 6, 2025, the Christmas parade, 10:00 a.m. at downtown St. Cloud. That's always a fun time. Uh, Saturday and Sunday, December 6th and 7th, 2025, St. Cloud Holiday Festival at Downtown St. Cloud. Thursday, December
11th, 2025, city council meeting 6:30 at St. Cloud Community Center. And Friday, December 12th, 2025, employee holiday lunchon, city offices will be closed 12:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. That is the largest amount of information dates.
All right, reports. We got the warrant list. Uh, number one, fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 2425, uh, fourth quarter budget report. And with that, this meeting is adjourned.