All right, welcome to our council meeting. In the interest of time efficiency and ensuring that everyone who wished to address the council is given the opportunity to do so, the following will apply to all comments made by the public. Each speaker shall be allotted three minutes to address the council in such such unless such time as extended
by the mayor or by question from council. Group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments. Every effort shall be made to avoid interrupting speakers. For your information, the items listed in section 11 of the agenda are for first reading and introduction, and the council will
not take final action on them tonight. If you have questions on these items, please see the city staff in the back of the chambers. Thank you for participating in your local government. And I now call this meeting to order. And I'd like to now ask if
everybody if we can have a moment of silence, please. All right. If we all please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the stands
nation for all. Madam clerk, please call the role. Mayor Robertson, here. Deputy Mayor Fletcher here. Council member Paul here. Council member Urban here. Council member Gilbert here. All right. An agenda update. Uh, city manager, do you have any updates,
please? None at this time. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. And there are no presentations here tonight. And so next section of the meeting is a consent agenda. We have no consent items as well. The citizens forum. Any person who
desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided by the presiding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person addressed the council. Would anyone in the audience
like to speak on anything other than what's on the agenda this evening? All right, then we will go ahead and get started. Our next section will be public hearings. Clerk, please read ordinance number 2025-43,44 and 45 into the record. Final
public hearing for ordinance number 2025-43. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus - 28.6 acres identified as Nova and 192 PUD project annexation 25-000013 located north of Bronson
Memorial Highway west of Nova Road within the joint planning area interlocal agreement JPA in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-44. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud,
Florida, assigning a future land use designation approximately plus minus 28.6.6 acres identified as Nova and 192 PUD project CPA25-00005 located north of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway west of Nova Road from LDR lowdensity residential
community center county to C commercial city providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning recommendations. Proof of publication applicability effect servability copies on file and effective date. Final public hearing for an ordinance number 2025-45. An ordinance of the city
council of the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment to the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida. Specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 28.6 6 acres identified as Nova and 192 PUD project PUD25-00001 located north of East Labor
Bronson Memorial Highway west of Nova Road from CG Commercial General to CR commercial general put PD planned development county to PD PUD planned unit development city providing for amending an official fun official future land use map of the comprehensive man plan filing
planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicabilities copies on file and effective Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. These cases before you tonight are for the voluntary annexation, comprehensive plan amendment, and PUB planned unit
development zoning map amendment for the project known as NOVA and 192. This request meets the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with Oyola County as it is contiguous to city
limits and it is reasonably compact. The existing county future land use is community center with a commercial general commercial restricted and planned development county zoning designation. Oops. The proposed um land
use is commercial um for the city and the um proposed zoning is planned unit development for the city. Uh and I think I already said it's reasonably reasonably compact and will have no adverse um impacts on the city
facilities and is compatible with the surrounding area. Here's a graphic representation of the county and city's future land use designations. Here's a graphic representation of the zoning map showing
the county and city zoning designations. Honor before March 31st, 2025. Staff recommended approval. Planning commission also recommended approval. And we are requesting that city council approve ordinance number
2025-43, ordinance number 2025-44, and ordinance number 25-45 for the voluntary annexation comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment for the project known as NOVA N192. The applicant is here and staff is available
if you have any questions for us. All right. Thank you. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? Good evening, Curtis Arrington, CM Arrington and Associates. We'll be glad to answer any questions you have.
All right. Thank you, sir. All right. And we have uh first we have Mindy Sham. Is that I'm sorry. Shitam Shahham. Shahham. I'm so sorry. Uh this is for item number one or
item number two. You want to speak on? I I believe it was for 44 or 43 or 44. 44 the uh which this one for the 28.6 acres. Yes, ma'am. Okay. What what is Oyola County going to provide that St. Cloud didn't provide uh previously? This
is for the commercial project. Is that what what you want to speak on? No, I want to speak on the the taxes on the annexation. Yeah. Okay. Well, the the the one that you put on here was 43- I'm sorry.
I wasn't sure if it was 43 or 44. It It's neither one of those. I think what you're you wanted to speak about was item number four, right? Okay. That's not coming up yet, but I was just reading the one that you had put on here. So, all right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this
item? All right. Can I entertain a motion on this item? Motion to approve. Do we need to do them individually, Dan? Yes, sir. All right. This is for uh ordinance number 25 2025-43. Second. We have a motion from council member Urban. Second from council member
Paul. Madam clerk, please call the role. Deputy mayor Fletcher. I. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. I. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 50. And can I get a motion for item number uh 2025-44? Motion to approve. Motion approved.
Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second from Council Member Gilbert. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Paul, I. Council member Urban, I. Council member Gilbert, I. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, I. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 5-0. And can I get a motion for
ordinance number 2025-45? Motion to approve. Motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second. Council member Paul. Madam Clerk, please call the role. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Mayor Robertson.
Hi. Motion carries 5-0. All right. Madam clerk, will you please next read the next item? Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-28. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cal, Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus - 997.034 034 acres
identified as encumbrances annexations zones 1 2 and 4. Project annex 25003 located south of Neptune Road west of Cross Prairie Park Parkway, Hickory Tree Road and Nulti Road and east of the Turnpike between Clay Road and CMI Park Road within the joint planning area
interlocal agreement JPA in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This case before you tonight is for the voluntary annexation for the project known as
incumbrance annexation zones one two and four. This request meets the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with Oyola County as it is contiguous to city limits and is reasonably
compact. These voluntary annexations are being processed through um incumbrances. So at the time um the city provides water and or sewer services, the property owner signs a notice of incumbrance, which is um a recorded
covenant that follows the land. And um if a property is receiving water and/or sewer services and is outside of city limits but in the joint planning area of unincorporated Oyola County, um the
notice of incumbrance is signed in order to receive those services. Um this covenant allows the city to voluntarily annex the property once it is contiguous to city limits. And the encumbrance again runs with the land even if the
property is sold or transferred. The notice of encumbrance remains valid. staff held two comm community community openhouse meetings on Wednesday, March 5th and Thursday, March 6th of 2025 to
um meet with any interested uh property owners um to um answer any questions and um give them information on what an incumbrance annexation means. We um addressed what the benefits
of annexation are at that community meeting. We um went through all of these items. Um we talked about how um there is a faster emergency response um with St. Cloud Police and Fire departments.
Um we also talked about our accredited public safety. Our police department is accredited by the Commission for Florida Law Enforcement Accreditation and our 911 dispatch center holds triple accreditations ensuring top tier
emergency response. Um we have um improved disaster recovery. So we have faster cleanup, debris removal and recovery efforts after hurricanes and tropical storms. We have an accredited building department. Uh the St. Cloud building
department is recognized by the international accreditation service for its high standards and our code compliance division is currently working towards accreditation. Um we have a proven safety record. We are ranked the
safest city in Florida and 37th safest city in the nation based on FBI crime statistics. We have a businessfriendly environment. We are ranked ranked 44th among 50 best small towns in the US for
starting a business by wallet hub. We have convenient local government services. So there's access to services at nearby St. cloud offices. Um, rather than having to travel to CMI, we have top tier parks and recreation. So, St.
Cloud is recognized as a playful city USA and Tree City USA offering excellent parks, trails, and recreational programs. Um, we offer lower park and recreation fees. Um, St. Cloud residents
receive reduced rates for facility rentals, programs, and activities. And we have simplified solid waste. Um, our solid waste services are included in a simple monthly bill rather than a lump sum on property taxes.
Um, saving an estimated $67 per household per year, um, which becomes effective October 1st. And there's no county EMS tax. So St. Cloud residents save approximately
$245 per year by not paying the county's EMS tax. And um at the meeting we presented these numbers based on the average taxable value of homes in St. Cloud. The net increase is approximately
$795 per year. um which equates to approximately six $66 per month and will become effective on the November 2025 uh property tax statements. Some of the concerns that
were hel um that were heard at the planning commission meeting included the following. Um there were questions about setbacks, whether or not the city would honor the county's setbacks through the permitting process. And um it was
explained that if a um property is in the process of pulling a building permit right now um we look at them on a case-byase basis and depending on how far along they are. Um we will work out
whether they will complete the process in the county or if it would immediate immediately come to the city. Um, in most cases, if it's like your accessory structures and things of that nature, we would bring it into the city for permitting because the city will honor
the county's setbacks until the city um either assigns a future land use or zoning that um is different from what they what they have in the county. But um until that happens, if it happens, we
will honor the the county's um setbacks. Um, regarding animals, the city back in February of 2023 adopted the county's animal ordinance and we updated our agricultural zoning to allow the same animals that are allowed in the county
for um, consistency. Regarding the transition of services, um, solid waste will um will um, start o as of October 1st. Um and then the
um sorry regarding taxes that will um begin on November in November of 2025. Um um Tohos and other transition of services any new developments will have to connect to city water and sewer which
they already have to. Um, I won't talk much about um the transition of fire um services because at the end I'm gonna ask the fire chief to to speak on that. Um, postal services. Uh, they were concerned that transition it would
affect their mail. Um, as of right now, we we are not changing anyone's address. We are um working with the postal service in the future to see if we can change all of the addresses within the JPA to a St. cloud address so that there's no confusion. If you live in St.
Cloud, you don't have a CMI address. And um there there was concern um on the next item, there was concerns about their homeowners insurance increasing. Um we the city does participate in the
CRS program um and earns uh residents 25% on flood insurance um which is consistent with the county. And then for um the concern about property value decreasing, there's no evidence of that.
Um but of course um we directed people to contact their property the property appraisers office for that. And then the other concern was the um amount of acreage that we continue to annex into
the city. And so we we explained that there are um there is a limit. We have a joint planning area boundary with OciOla County. So once we annex all the land within that boundary, that that would be our limitation as of right now as the
JPA stands right now. Excuse me. Okay. So, honor before March 31st, 2025, uh staff did recommend approval. Um when this item went to planning commission, um it was recommended for approval by
Snider, uh seconded by Alexander, the um vote did um fail because three of the members voted nay. So, the motion to approve um did did not
um did not stand. And I think Dan can probably explain that a little bit better, but um legal advised the planning commission that the motion to approve indicated um I'm sorry, the the failure of the motion to approve indicated a a de facto
denial recommendation. And uh staff is requesting that city council approve this item. approve ordinance number 2025- 2025-28. And at this time, I will ask
Jason Miller, our fire chief, to come speak on the um services that he's been providing. Good afternoon or evening, mayor, councel. Um as a little bit of background, as you know, the city has the joint planning agreement with Ocula
County Fire Rescue or the county as a whole. As part of that, some of the statistical information is going to be a little bit off. Recognizing that in the JPA, we're only responsible for providing initial response for what's called Delta and Echo calls, which are the emergency level
calls. So, we pulled a little bit of of stat statistical information from the county um particularly in the Twin Lakes area. Uh that's where the highest call volume was gave us the best information. Um which you'll see on your map there. In the Twin Lakes area, OEL County Fire
Rescue in the last year had approximately 100 calls for service in that area as a total of which City of St. Cloud ran 50 of those calls. So, statistically speaking, we ran half those calls. Now, recognizing those are
the emergency response calls, those are the calls that they're supposed to call us for right out of the bat, our units are over a mile closer than their closest unit. Just put that in perspective. Depending on the speed limit and time, that's a minute to two minutes. It can make a difference. For
the Gary Drive area, which is off of Hickory Tree Road, there was 12 calls for service that we responded to in that area. Kings Crest area, there was only 10 calls for service. Excuse me, Chief Melissa, can you pull the map up while we're sorry going through these? Yeah. Thank you. Um, globally, in almost every
case where we're looking at these annexations, the city of St. Cloud has a fire station closer currently or will have a station closer in the next year or so. That's particularly the case on Neptune Road where we'll be building fire station 35 which will be coming before you next council for approval to
build. Um as for the Twin Lakes area, that's the one I was referencing earlier. We're a mile closer the neighborhood there off of 192. Um it's almost right across the street from our fire station. Um so in all these cases, our stations are closer. When you're talking about a structure fire response,
you're talking about three stations totaling 18 to anywhere from 18 to 20 people responding um based off of our chief officer load and when we have our truck in service. Um in almost every case, all three of our stations are closer than the three closest county
stations to these areas. So, our effective firefighting response force would be there faster. As far as an insurance where a lower ISO rating, um they may see some savings there. Globally though we are providing service in these areas we were
required to through the JPA and since we were one can assume by the simple statistics that we were running at least 50% of that call load or in that neighborhood it only makes sense we're closer we're faster we have highly trained
paramedics EMTs out there on the road every day and we're already providing those services so if you have any other questions I'd be happy to answer. Council member Gilbert, just just one question. I'm not a fire person or
anything to be. What does one minute to two minute response time mean um in saving lives back? Time is tissue. For a heart attack, it could mean a life. For a stroke, it could mean a life. Simply stated, a fire doubles in size every
minute. With these newer fuels, sometimes it's even faster than that because everything's built in your house is plastic. I go to my grandmother's house when I was a kid. You know, everything was cotton batting and you know, well, half of it was covered with plastic because she didn't want you to mess up the cotton, but you know, everything was natural wood products.
You go into your houses now, everything's plastic, everything's styrofoam. The fires burn faster, they burn hotter. Quicker response time is the key to saving properties. That's what we offer. All right. Thank you, Chief. And first up we have Mindy Shaham.
Answer it. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Phil Devivo. Hi. My concern is that when we made decisions to buy our home at Twin Lakes, we knew we were going to be retiring and we factored in what it's going to cost
us. And it's kind of disappointing that uh obviously these agreements were made with the builder uh to hook up to, you know, the the water and sewer and, you know, in the future then obviously that's going to mean tax increases at some point in time. None of that was
shared with us. Okay. Okay. So, we're making decisions on whether it's a wise financial move based on what we think and and anticipating that yes, we know taxes are going to increase marginally. They always do, but this is kind of a bigger bump. And I just don't understand
why if the agreement was made with the builder to annex it in the future, why he wasn't required to disclose that information so we'd have accurate information making our decision whether this is going to be a, you know, a good thing financially once we're no longer working. My wife and I are both retired
now. We've all been hit throughout the whole state of major homeowners insurance increases making it tougher and tougher. And here's just another kind of slap in the face that all of a sudden this has been known for years, but it was withheld. And I don't understand the fairness in that and why
they weren't obligated. I mean, maybe there's no legal requirement, but in all honesty, it's like bargaining in in bad faith and and u you know, enough is enough. You're getting to the point now that, you know, between pandemic inflation, everything else, it's just
it's it's tough to, you know, make ends meet, groceries, everything. Everybody's suffering, not just senior citizens, but it's tougher for us because I can't work more hours if I'm retired. You know, I'm 73. How long am I going to go back to work just because I I got to cover
higher tax bills? So, I just don't understand why if this is a known thing that could happen in the future, why the builder was not required to disclose that. And I went through my paperwork to see if I missed it somehow and I didn't see it anywhere. So, maybe you can answer that question for me. And then I do have one other question about the
insurance. Well, go ahead and go ahead and ask your question, sir. We'll address everything. This says potential home insurance savings. And the only thing I must mention when this other person spoke was flood insurance. So, is it strictly a flood insurance savings or is it also
for regular homeowners insurance savings? City manager. The fire chief also spoke to that um when he talked about our insurance service rating, our our ISO rating is lower in the city limits. Um we have a two, the county has a three.
So following the annexation, if you call your insurance provider and tell them that you're now in the city limits and what our ISO rating is, it's called an ISO rating. Yes. So I can't guarantee you that they will reduce your insurance rating, but we have a better rating. So
they should because they're going to look at where you're where a hydrant is in relation to your property, which you're in twin if you're in Twin Lakes, you should probably be built to those standards to to help you out. All right. Well, that's to be seen. I've over the years been told many times when you get
to this point, your insurance is going to down and it never happens. So the other thing I'll say is some of the information you provided on here is very misleading. uh the representation using this example of the value of a home of uh $351,900,000
uh the solid wasted fire rescue uh course will be removed. So the impression is with this amount that the increase will be about $795. But the fact of the matter is when I was at one of
the earlier meetings, I took a picture and and somebody mentioned earlier that we will be build on our water bill now roughly another 500 bucks a year. So by representing of an $800 increase on on this property value, it's really not
accurate. It's misleading because we still got to factor this in monthly. So that you know now that's $1,300. I'm confused. What is that document? Uh, just hand it over to the clerk, please. This is a picture I took at one of the Can we put that up on the screen so I can see what the Everybody can see what
we're looking at. Sir, can you come back to the podium, please? Yes, sir. And those are Toho water authorities. Sir, that's Toho Water Authority, not not the cities. I understand. But you're removing it from our tax bill. The water
doesn't No, sir. the water doesn't change. City manager, he's he's referencing the storm water fee and the and the solid waste and the sanitation. So So yes, so currently he's paying for them in bulk on his on his county taxes and he'll be paying monthly. Um the city does have a
overall lower sanitation rate than the county does. Um but but yes, he will see it monthly on his bill versus So I I think that's good feedback and the next time we do these Yeah. I mean, because it gives the impression that of only an $800 increase, but it's really not only.
You still got to factor in that 500 bucks. So, this to me is misleading. It's you you're massaging the numbers and it's really not true. It's it's bad faith. It's good feedback. We We'll make a we'll make a That was our first time with that form. Um so, we'll we'll
update that for the next time. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh, William Fischer. William Thomas Fiser. That's WTF. 2373 King's Crrest Road. Um, couple of my questions. Um, so
this is how you increase your tax role. King's Crest was established in the 80s and that basically makes it over 40 years old. St. Cloud has not contributed one dime to the King's Crest subdivision,
but now you want us to pay for your taxes for parks. I'm totally against that. you know, um when I was here for the planning commission, um somebody had asked about
the incumbrance and I don't recall which gentleman they said that it was um was in there. It was a virtually a thousand pages, but I saw it. It was in there. What I'd like to see is the incumbrance paperwork. Where where is that? I' I'd
like to see it. I think everybody else here would would like to see that also. Where is it? Does anybody have that? City manager. I I I'll go ahead and let you answer. I think he's in the agenda package. I'm not quite sure. I'd like to see where
it's been recorded through the county. Oh, you're referencing your your incumbrance. The encumbrance, correct? Where is it? So, at the top of the piece of paper would have the recording number on it. Um, that's the that's the county recording uh books. Okay. Do you have that
available that I could that we could look at? It's on the incumbrance paperwork itself. I don't I I don't think so. I I don't think so. I'd like to see where it's recorded. On their website, you can you can look up. Did you guys provide that for us? I mean,
everybody attorney would love to be able to see that. City attorney. It should be and gentleman's right. There's a lot of pages in the in the in the documents that were submitted because this is a large encumbrance annexation. uh just we can it's sometimes difficult to
match them up because they're not by some so we'd have to we can go through the documents and we can find where there are there are several of them that are in the document they are old so u we'd have to look through to find a particular one that deals with I'm assuming he's referring to his subdivision uh and but they are in the
packet that has been submitted to me yes sir I'd sure like to see it Okay. On the court's website. Well, it's not on the court's It's not on the court. It's these documents are recorded in the public records, which is different than
the court's website. And these are the ones documents that are recorded that are part of anything else that is done on a real estate transaction. So when these every individual that is in that owns property currently when they acquired their property as part of their
transaction they should have been provided a title title report or title work from as part of their closing agent and buried in those documents is and it is buried I'll give you that is in those documents are these incumbrances. Yes sir. I'll give you one more minute to
speak William if you like. Well, basically, um, your planning commission had voted to deny this incumbrance or this annexation, and I strongly suggest that you comply with their recommendation and deny this
annexation. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. [Applause] Isa Acheavaria. Name and address for the record, please. Good evening. My name is Isalia Chavaria. Um, my address. I live in Hanover Lakes. Do you want the full
thing? Yes, ma'am. 3108 Wasian Drive, St. Cloud, Florida, 34772. Thank you. Excellent. And I have questions regarding the annexation for zone 4, item number four. Um, I have a few, so if you guys can answer them, um, that would be great. My first question is
going to have to be um, what is the process for determining fair market value and just compensation for affected uh, property owners should this come to pass. Also, it is my understanding that this is an eminent domain project, right? That's not correct. No, it's not. Perfect. And Handover Lakes is already
in the city limits. It's in the city on this. Great already. It's not being annexed this evening. You may have been at You may have received notice because you were within a 300 distance. The limits. Perfect. Because we received uh a letter saying that um essentially our border, our home was going to be
annexed. Uh we live in Handover Lakes right there and that we may have to leave because there is an expansion of a road. If I may, mayor city manager Oyola County is working on expanding Hickory Tree Road. That's a completely separate
um that's that has nothing to do with this. We're only talking about annexing those properties that are in pink. Handover Lakes is just south of the the pink. Perfect. So, who do I go to talk to about that then? About Can I say the letter you if I could real quick? Is
this a letter you got with regard to the expansion of a road? Yes. road. Okay, hang on. Hang on a second. Good. Okay, this is what I thought. Okay, so as you know, the county is is doing some road expansion of roadways out there. I
believe it's old hickory. It's hickory. Hickory hickory tree. So what what what h what is going on is because the county is moving forward with that these individuals that are in that area and potentially be part of a future eminent domain domain action not by the city but
by the county are receiving letters from private attorneys asking them to basically retain those attorneys to defend their the uh eminent domain action. That's the letter you received. So that is anything to do with this. That's correct. Yeah. I just pulled you up. If you are in the city limits
already and your house backs up to Hickory Tree, so that's why you're getting that from the county. It's a separate issue. Yeah, totally separate issue. You're already in the city. Who do I talk to regarding this? Oyola County. Mhm. Yep. You're welcome. Thank you. Raymond
Lackey. Uh name and address for the record, sir. Raymond Lackey, 2210 Jessica Lane, CMI, Florida. I live in zone one. Um, my concern with the annexation on zone one
is several, but first of all, I'd like for you all to take a good look at me because I'm one of the rarest of the rare people in this room. I'm a native of Oyola County and St. Cloud, born and raised here. Don't think there's many other people who can say that that are
near my age. So, it got you there. Okay. So, I'm looking at this map and I'm thinking, gee, the little town that I knew, that grid up there on the lake sure has changed in a lot of years. So, I'm looking at where I live over here. Went to the meeting in March. Talked to
the ladies and gentlemen who were there. Most of the stuff I kind of knew was coming because I understood voluntary incumbrance and annexation and it's all about utilities and St. Clyde had provided the water for for the woods. My
concern is that with the construction on Neptune Road, access to our community by the city services, ambulance, fire, uh, police would certainly be very limited. Neptune Road is a nightmare as it is under construction. And then to add
emergency vehicles to it, I'm not sure we would get the service that we really need. I know that Chief has said there's going to be a new fire station out there. I love that. I'd be very happy for that. My suggestion would be to postpone the annexation of zone one
until you have the services andor Neptune Road is more complete for better access. I know that may not be possible by the way you've structured your agenda, but that would be my suggestion because I don't see that we're going to
get those services because of where we are. We're right on that western border of the uh urban zone of St. Cloud that makes it difficult as it is and then with the fact we have the construction that's a challenge as well. Uh I also
happen to work at the golf course uh out there on Michigan Avenue and every morning when I go into the golf course to work I got to tell you traffic coming across Noli and getting on the turnpike is also a nightmare. Coupling that with the fact that the new overpass going
into what I guess is going to be called Edgewater across the turnpike uh is nowhere near complete. So there would be no access there for either fire, ambulance or police. I'm thinking maybe a postponement on that part of the annexation might be a good idea. Thank
you. Yes, sir. Thank you. [Applause] Norman Terry Norman Terry 5031 White or sorry uh Vantage Court U St. Cloud. Um, I I'm
I'm here to ask I live in Twin Lakes. Uh, as you heard before, uh, when we purchased there, nobody, the builders, developers, nobody, uh, mention the fact that that there was some kind of an incumbrance,
uh, and and it may have swayed myself or others uh, from from purchasing in there. Second thing I'd like to do like to say is if you look at the map there, you'll notice that Twin Lakes, which has anywhere from 800 to
2,000 homes when it's completed, is completely encircled by non city. The only thing that makes us part of the city is one little piece of land up at the far north edge of that. It seems to me that that as somebody
else rightfully said that this is a a attack to increase the uh tax base of St. Cloud. Now I want to say that I've been in St. Cloud since 2007. I love St. Cloud. U and I think our fire and and
police are excellent. But I have to say this just seems really wrong. It seems like what we're trying what you're trying to do is to increase your your tax base as fast as possible. Um the uh voluntary uh uh annexation
encumbrance seems to be more like a uh u uh eminent domain like uh activity where a developer comes in and says, "Hey, I'm going to build a thousand homes." and and uh the city says, "Okay,
well, we'll provide your water, but you got to sign off your sign away your land." Knowing full well that there are going to be a thousand people or 2,000 people buying plots of land that don't know, probably don't know anything about the
incumbrance. And it just seems highly unfair um that that it's being done in this manner. I mean, nobody nobody came to these to the 800 people that are in in Twin Lakes at this time and said, "Hey,
this is what what what we're going to do or what we're suggesting to do." Uh, and uh uh and give us a chance to sign an incumbrance with you for for our piece of property. Uh it it it again it seems like uh you signed it away before before
the people who who actually are going to live there had any say in the matter. Uh somebody else has said something about the fact of the benefits and and how the way that are described there is uh uh
not if at best some of them in are kind of uh I'll let you finish up sir. Yeah. the I I want to mention I won't mention remention the things that have already been said but but I play a lot of pickle ball
and you talk about the sports and how great the sports activities are here. Go take a look at the courts. Go take a look at some of your other act some of your other sports uh parks. They're deteriorating. They're cracking.
Uh they're they're really in bad shape. Yes, sir. And and you want to call that a benefit? All right. Thank you, sir. I will say um city manager, how how much money did we just put into the St. Cloud Lily ball fields?
Our finance director could answer that. I don't how much we've put in for the new ball fields on 17th Street. Jeff Cooper, finance director. The 17th Street Ball Fields project is over $13 million. Thank you.
All right. Um I'm just going to say one thing. So this was actually done 2014 the JPA was established. It was an agreement between OciOla County and City of St. Cloud. Nobody up here was was on on in these positions when that agreement was made. Twin Lakes wasn't even there. Right.
Right. Twin Lakes was like 2016 maybe. Okay. Yeah. And I grew up here. I've been here since I was 18 months old. And there's a portion of the county where my parents live that's going to be annexed in in the next round, the next coming months. It's inevitable. Four out of
five of us grew up here. The showman's been here 35 years. We've seen the growth here. And um you know it's unfortunate the county doesn't want to be in the parks business. So we we are assuming that the parks in this area and we're having to put the maintenance into them and and and we just tore up uh
Chisum Park boat ramp. I don't know if you've seen that lately. Uh we just I believe we just we're spending $480,000 I believe on that. That's it's not free. And uh impact fees don't cover that. So, uh, and I don't believe the impact fees
really, some of them may have covered the ball fields, but you know, our town's growing so fast, and those were the same ball fields I played on until this council last year voted to build those fields. So, I was very proud of them for doing that as a as a resident here. So, um, I do believe there are
going to be a lot of benefits. OciOla County doesn't want to service this area anymore. They want to, you know, the JPA establishes the boundaries all the way almost out to Harmony. So when you say this barely touches within a few years, it's going to be a few miles out from
where you are, Council Member Urban. Yeah. Uh that's a great point. And if I could also add to that is I believe some of the the anger here is a little bit misdirected um at us when you know a lot of people mention well the builder never mentioned this to me, the developer
never mentioned it to me when I bought the house. You know, unfortunately, I wish we could change the the disclosure rules where when you buy a house, the builder and developer does have to mention that we hooked up to the water and sewer and we signed these incumbrance agreements uh with the city
and and and if you live in the joint planning area here um in St. cloud, your your property has uh the potential of getting annexed into the city and and we're just I I I made an oath to this office to be um fiscally responsible for
for the city and we're just doing what is the the fiscally responsible thing I believe to do for the city of St. Cloud. Next up, we have Greg Picass. Did I pronounce that right? Greg. No,
it's Greg Pyus. Picus. Yes, sir. I'm uh address is 2660 Red Blush Terrace, St. Cloud. Uh I'm in the uh Twin Lakes 55 plus community. Um and I've talked with all the other people there. And uh uh
I'd like to ask the council to disapprove this uh uh not approve this uh annexation. Uh I was uh a lot of people were blindsided. I bought into that community two years ago and uh I
was never told this. I read everything and it should have been disclosed uh by somebody and and there's there's no way uh uh everybody is unhappy with this whole
annexation in our community. Um there is no value added here. There is no benefit at it. Uh also there's uh impact adversely
impacts people's finances. We're all on fixed incomes out there and this is a lot more money uh potentially than uh you know a lot of people can afford uh and people are just complaining how much the HOAs went up, how much insurance
went up, tariffs are impacting a lot of people. It's just uh just uh overwhelming. It's just getting out of hand now. And uh I would like this uh disapproved. I'm one of the ones that talked during a planning commission
uh asked about the uh uh the zoning uh and the setbacks because I wanted to build a pool in the backyard and I went to Oscola County uh director and talked to them. They he says that go back to the city and ask for transition uh
documentation. I've asked for it. The project manager told me there is no transition documentation. So, this is all confusing and it's uh setting up for failure for this uh this process. Uh there's also lawsuits because of the
confusion. Uh the uh city director there said that they they'll have the fine print on what they're going to how they're going to handle this. All I get is verbal. I called Melissa's office more three times. I never got an answer from anybody for my questions. I've
talked to the project managers. I've never seen anything documented. Uh it's just unfortunate. Uh please do not approve this or delay it one way the other. Thank you, city
manager. Thank you. [Applause] Um, I just wanted to to comment if if he has not applied for his permit, then then he now can come to the city. I was going to offer he can have my card and I'll make sure we we work with him on
the process to apply for his pool permit. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, I believe there's a business cards up here. All right. Thank you, Greg. No, I'm Veronica. But maybe maybe someone can hand him my card, please. Thank you. Next up, we
have Wanda Patterson. Wanda Penny Patterson. And when may we please have your name and address for the record, please? Thank you. My name is Wanda Penny Patterson. I live at 2343 Kings Crest Road, CMI, Florida
34744. I'm a proud homeowner at Kings Crest. I've been at Kings Crest almost 5 years. I've been in Florida 35 years, so I can't c catch up to you yet. I chose to live in CM, Florida. I did not I'm
not choosing because the word voluntary shows up every so often. Voluntary means I have a choice. To me, I don't want to move to St. Cloud. My neighbors and my friends have said the same thing. So, I'm basically going to echo them. It's a
higher rate for me. I'm on a fixed income. You're going to impact my family. Don't impact my family. Don't impact my friends and neighbors. I can't afford to keep paying things out, especially in this economy. I'm not
crying poor mouth. I maintain my home the best that I can, but you making me move to St. Cloud to pay higher taxes when certain things aren't in my best interest. Why would I want to move to St. Cloud to pay higher pay higher
things? I don't use the word voluntary. I'm sorry. Please don't add stress to myself and my family. This is a very stressful move that I don't want to do. It's not voluntary. You're
forcing me to do that. You're forcing me to re-evaluate my home, my the way I have to live and the way I have to pay the higher costs. We all know that. So, I'm not going to berate all that. We all have higher costs. Here, my friends and
neighbors, please do not approve of this. You're going to impact my family. You're going to impact my friends. Do not do that. I'm asking you as a citizen of the United States of America and Oyola
County, please consider not doing this. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for hearing [Applause] me. McGregor Love Can we get your name and address for the
record, please? Yes, sir. Good evening. For the record, McGregor Love, 215 North Eola Drive. Um, here on behalf of uh Narusi Land Ventures. Um, our client uh has been doing uh road work in the
county. Um and that road work uh is subject to certain uh mobility impact fee credit agreements. Um and there is and and perhaps the community development director or Mr. Mantzeris may know the
uh status of this but we don't we're not here to object u in principle to the annexation. We're here only to note that we need to execute a a a mobility fee interlocal agreement
between the county, our client, the CDD, and the city. Uh, and we're hoping to be able to do that um, possibly at the next meeting if this annexation is approved. So, we just wanted to note that for the record, and if anyone on staff has additional information about when that
might be able to be scheduled for a public hearing, I would invite that as well. All right. Thank you, McGregor. this uh future phases of Twin Lakes. What project is Norusi Ventures? So this is this is road work that's being done.
Um and it is the road work on where's your your client's property at? The client's prop the client was the developer of Twin Lakes and Reserve at Twin Lakes. Um and the road work is done at um
along see Alligator Road [Music] and it's another portion along um the Nulti Spine Road. There's a couple of different uh improvement projects city and there is a draft um of
the mobility impact fee credit agreement. Sure. And so we're working on an agreement as you know for some of these projects based on the interlocal agreement that the city has with the county with regard to the uh transportation improvements in the area. So we're working on an agreement. We anticipate it'll be all ready to go and
back in front of you in July. Okay. To do with that. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Is escandas. I tried my best. I'll let you correct me when you get up here. Best so far. Yeah. Your name and address for the record, please, sir. Is
Escondar, 2087 Berante Drive, St. Cloud, Florida. Um now I you know I echo all their sentiments but I wanted to talk about is the actual documentation uh for the incumbrance that was signed by the
builders uh in before everything started. So I'm in banking and one thing we do is cross our tees dot our eyes. So questions I wanted to ask was uh the incumbrance with the city of St. cloud is with an LLC
uh but it's signed by a person that states they're the owner of the property without any title for that LLC. How do we know that that person is uh acting in the full capacity of that LLC?
Has there been an article of uh corporation registered with the city so we can view and make sure that this gentleman had the actual power to sign on behalf of the LLC by himself and not any other owners if there are on that
LLC? That's one question. Uh second document and this was back in 2015. Second document was signed back uh in 2018 uh with a a different person
representing the same LLC um as the title member. Again, if he's signing in 2015 and he's right, one article needs to be filed and then what's the updated article in 2018? Is that filed as well?
Right. And then in the same annexation document in the article in section 3.1 it states that the city has received an incumbrance that has been executed by all property all owners of the
property which the incumbrance has won but it doesn't state any title. It just states the name. Now what what is that capacity? Should that stay? Should that not stay? Is there a legal ramification for not having a title for signing on
behalf of an LLC? That's, you know, should the incumbrance be nulled out as well as the annexation document signed in 2018? What documentation was collected when when these were signed by the
city at that moment? Again, I know you guys weren't here, but these are just questions that I have and I pulled these um from the website. So, I went in and I saw anything that had to do with Solar Vista and at that point and then I just
I pulled these out. There was nothing there showing any any proof of ownership of this LLC for anyone. All right. So, you pulled up the OLC itself. I I al and I actually So again, I did pull up the
LLC. So Ken is registered there. So is the other person, but everybody is a managing member or a title member. Okay. Which means everybody can do everything or what are they allotted to do? You
know, that's that's the question I have. Yeah. And we can't give you legal. Oh, no, no, I know. I know. But that's my thing. like, you know, did you did we get a copy of those article uh that article of incorporation at the city level at the time of these documents
were signed? Right. Yes, sir. Thank you. So, you know, that's I I wasn't here 11 years ago. No, neither was I. I moved here. Yeah. What we got? Four years now. Yes, sir. Love it. My whole thing is, you know, it's within the JPA already.
Oh, I understand that. 2014 uh you said 2014 15 16 were the date the years uh 15 and 18 yeah in 2014 the county and the city signed the JPA and establishing the boundaries of the future St. Right. And that's where it would grow to. So, right. And also, I just want to add one
more thing. And I know my make it quick because we're that top right little box that's right there. Um, Solar Vista, if you look at zone 4, we're that top right little box right on 192. We have a 2,000 foot street or
1500T street on that left side and only 1,000 ft is being touched by uh where's that? Live Oak Lake, I believe, is there and nothing else east of us or even south of us until you Well, it's because it's contiguous. It's going from the
west to the east. Yeah, we we're we're growing St. Cloud. My request would be and I know annexation is going to happen. Just pushing it to a later date because everybody in the community is four years or less. City manager just wanted to comment that the property
directly north was just annexed earlier this evening. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I heard that today, too. But I'm just talking about from the map and then now. Yeah. And again, the the JPA brings us all almost all the way up to Harmony. All the way to Harmony. Yeah. Not including Harmony, though. Like, right.
It'll be right up. Wow. Right up to it. That's a good That's a good agreement. Well, thank you guys. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Richard Watson. Sorry, Ricardo Watson. I apologize for that. Ricardo Watson. Uh
2371 Kings Crest Road. Um yes uh good evening and uh what I got here is uh this ordinance is being advanced as a voluntary annexation but that would deeply mis be misleading. I never contented to this. I was never
informed of any developer agreement or municipal incumbrance at the time of purchase. when we go through that. No such obligation was disclosed at closing and that omission constitutes a failure to disclose material facts. Facts that would have affected my decision to buy.
This is not just a breach of public process. It has potential legal consequences under Florida real estate disclosure laws. That's another thing that's going to roll downhill. I searched the Oyola County Clerk of Court records. There's no recorded annexation agreement and no preserved encumbrance
tied to my property. Under Florida Marketable Record Title Act, that's the MRTA, uh, under subsection 712, any such claim for from 30 plus years ago is presumed extinguished. You cannot enforce what
was never legally preserved. The original notice said, oh, I was going to also say about the original notice, it said 2,000 plus acres. Now I'm seeing 900 plus acres. The city has made major changes with no clear notice to affected property owners. the mailings were addressed
generic generically to tenant. So I got a a notice saying tenant. It didn't say my name. So to me that's uh not proper legal notice. I was also I also wanted to know once at the uh to put on the record to reflect. I personally
submitted a written legal ob uh objection served to the city clerk. I don't know if you guys remember that I served a uh legal objection and um I was uh turned around by the city clerk. Um I have a copy of that objection letter um
I got it timestamped and it was crossed out. It's just uh due process um questioning this uh proposed annexation u and I I expected answers um so note that for the record. Um and
uh this was this happened on March 28, 2025. And to date, it it has been completely ignored. A legal challenge has already been filed in court uh with the Oil Oyola County courts which will be enforced. Affidavit have been
submitted. Over 50 residents signed a petition. We signed petitions. We signed online petitions. We saw I went we went around walking and uh going home to home and uh getting signatures for this petition because we don't want this. Um the planning commission voted three two
against it uh the last uh meeting and yet this council moves forward. Why? Uh every member of this council swore an oath to uphold the Constitution of United States in the state of Florida. That oath binds you to protect the due process, transparency, and the
rights of the people who put you in place to govern. And yet, wrap up quickly. Uhhuh. And yet, when I attempt to file my formal legal objection, the city clerk's office initially refused to accept it. The time stamp was scratched out to imply it was never received. Like I said, annexation brings new taxes,
regulation, and municipal control. Yet, we the people of the affected communities had no vote, no voice, and no direct say in this process. That is taxation without representation. Yes sir. Thank you very much. It is unamerican, unjust and unconstitutional and our community is being absorbed by
the government we did not elect and whose jurisdiction we did not ask to join. Please. Thank you. I got you. [Applause] All right. First of all, I'm going to ask everybody to We've got other
speakers here. and point of war made s yeah we have we have other speakers here and please be respectful of their time as well okay because we're going to be here we're here to listen to you um and I gave additional time so you need to have a little bit of respect for this for the rest of the audience here thank you
Steve Moore Steve Moore 2320 Emperor Drive Florida off of Cane subdivision probably the biggest issue I have is I'm in zone four at the present time. Our fire station,
which you propose on Neptune Road, isn't built. They say you're going to be constructing that pretty soon. So, we have to rely on the county until you finally build that. And that's sort of a problem with me because it's only about
two miles from my house. And if I have a heart attack, then I want that fire station to come service me because they're very close. Right now, if you have the city of St. Cloud coming to my heart attack, the one on station 32, I
think, is closed. So, you're going to have to run emergency ambulance out of 900 Minnesota, which is the big fire station. So, I recommend that you wait till you build the fire station to service our community there because
something bad is going to happen and the fire stations and trucks and ambulance and police cars are going to have to go down Neptune Road to service us. So, I recommend when the road is done, just think about doing it then then instead
of right now. You have the power to say no right now. You can do it later, but I would like to see Neptune Road finished before you finally incorporate us in. The other little point that I had is we're right on the little tip of your
St. Cloud and uh I didn't know how far this is going to go for the city to incorporate all this land and I just think it's going to get too big for what you're doing and it's going to come up and catch you sometime. The last point
that I want to make is why don't you just annex all these places that are building homes? You already got them on taxes because they're going to be big enough and they're going to be growing. Leave the ones that are already here alone. Go after the other ones and get
the tax revenue from the ones at Hickory Tree, those big communities and everything. Just leave us alone so we can just go along with life. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. [Applause] Uh, fire chief, can you please come up
to the podium? Can you please address his comments regarding if there's going to be a um um the units the units would not be responding out of fire station 31. They have a temporary housing located on 17th Street right by the hospital. So, their reality is they're closer than fire
station 31. Additionally to that, as you know, we are building that fire station there. Now, something that I failed to mention earlier as part of this JPA agreement, the reciprocal is correct also. So, if we need the county to respond, if they are closer, they would still respond. However, in the majority
of those cases, if you look at that I mentioned earlier, the city of St. Cloud is providing all those services and all those calls for service without any tax benefit coming in to support our services. And those are the emergency calls. Those are the calls that actually cost more to run than your routine
non-emergency calls. So yes, we would have you the fire station built there. We're looking at a projected opening sometime around August, September of next year. In the meantime, we'd be running those calls out at temporary fire station 32. And if that was not available, we would call the county if
they're closer. As a side note, fire station 63, which is their used to be Shady Lane, now it's Cross Prairie Parkway, I believe is the third busiest county fire station. They are the only fire station in that area. The next closest county fire station is BVL. So, anytime there's a fire, anytime there's
any kind of major issue going on, the county is solely reliant on us and the city of CMI to help them out. So, okay, city manager, thank you. I just wanted to comment that our police station is on Neptune Road. Um, and they're going to be responding I I think
much faster. Um, I think they're closer than the Oculus Sheriff's Office. I don't know if you wanted to ask um our police chief to police chief please. Yes. Thank you. Uh good evening council Doug Gerky police chief. Um I'm also a paramedic as well. The police department actually responds to medical calls also all night
long. So when the fire department is actually running the the police department is actually responding as well. Um I don't believe they do that in the county right now. So our police officers are equipped with first aid devices uh bag valve masks um all different types of interventions including AEDs. So, anytime there's a
cardiac event, uh, law enforcement does respond with fire and sometimes we'll actually get there first to start priority care. So, and we are literally right at Neptune Road. So, um, anything west of the turnpike, we're in there right now because we already have some land in there. We're patrolling it quite a bit. When you think of the population
density and the officers that are actually in the area, um, we have more officers per capita, especially in the city of St. Cloud than the sheriff's office does at any given time. Yes, sir. Yeah. And one thing I've noticed with this city, we don't skimp on on public safety. Uh I believe last meeting we
just approved $12 million for the rebuild for the the station over there on Old Canoe Creek Road. Uh $2.7 million move forward with the public safety complex on on Canoe Creek Road. And that's going to be a major investment in the future. So um you know, it it's it
hurts our public safety and all of your your the rest of the community. If you know, if you care about the rest of the community, it's a burden to have it mix and mingle with the county services coming in and city going this way. We're trying to put it all right and and and make sure that that the public safety is
is number one around here. So, thank you. Yes, sir. No, no, sir. No, sir. No, you can have time to speak after I read the next comment, sir. Yes, sir. Steve, um, Steve, you
good? Jade Bis Biscadoris. Jade Biscodoris, 2333 King's Crest Road, CMI, Florida 34744. I didn't plan on speaking, so I'm just going to throw from the hip here. And most of my questions are kind of for you, Chief. Um, what? I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. I figure judging by Well, so um Ocula County Station 63 um which is I think you said it's on Crossroad Park. I know the name changed. It's 1.6 miles away from my house and I know the station is closed down and this like the gentleman said before the station on
Neptune Road hasn't even built. When is it going to be you'd have to ask questions here and then I'll have him come up. Okay. So when is it going to be when is it going to be built? When is it going to be completed where actually calls are going to be running out of there? Are you asking about the Tohokua station or or the Canoe Creek? The one, right? That's
going to be on Neptune, the new fire station. Okay. Um so, and I get that um the city is claiming that they're ISO2 and the county is three. You have to look at the fact that the county is very rural in their water supply. So, it's very hard for Oculi County to become a
to get higher than a level three. Um and you said that the fire uh city of St. Cloud comes into Ocola County for joint response. I you got cut off when you said how many times you came into King's Crest. I think you said it was 10 times
and I wanted to make sure if he said that when trucks were in service, do you guys ever have trucks that are out of service at this time? Another question is with all the growth that you guys are annexing, how many more fire stations are you going to be approving? Because you're going to need more fire stations
to cover all that area. And I ask that you just don't improve this, please. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Fire Chief. [Applause] Good evening. Again, I was trying to write them down in order. Um, fire station 35 is planned opening is September of next
year. ISO, um, our current value is obviously a two, counties a three. There is a split rating available for areas that are closer closer to fire stations and have hydrants within those areas. So the county is a solid three. They also have a it's called a 3X. So those areas outside of that hydranted area or where
they have tanker services are considered lower. As far as future fire stations, we have this coming year we're rebuilding fire station 32. Fire station 35 is planned to open September the following. Fire station 36 is planned the year after that. We also have
developer agreements for the next four fire stations to bring us to a total of nine stations. So, we're plann identified. We have station design templates. We have trucks on order well ahead of time as you all know. Um, we got ahead of the curve there. So,
literally to build out the JPA, we did some modeling. It takes 17 to 18 fire stations and we've already got half of that property secured to build continue building. Yes, sir. Thank you. Adam Bailey Adam Bailey 2369 Kings Crest Road
Florida 34744. So I was sitting at home when this all started this evening. Sir, sir, you need to address the I can address everybody here. I'm here to address everybody right up here. Yes, sir. All right. Um, so and somebody she was saying all the benefits. Oh, we get
public parks. Do we not all get to use public parks even if we're not part of St. Cloud? That's what public parks are, right? Is that Can anybody up there answer that for me? Yes. Right, sir? Up here, please. No, sir. You need to speak up here or you're going to have
to sit down. Who here behind me agrees that we should all be annexed? Raise your hands, please. I don't see anybody here agreeing with that. For the record, nobody agreed that they wanted to be annexed. Okay, you all said, "Hey, you know, don't be mad at
us. This all went into effect prior to us getting on the board, right? Being voted in, and we can't do anything about it." But you can do something about it. That's why you're here, right? You're the ones that are going to decide this for us. Okay? You guys, not us, because we can't
do anything. We can tell you what we feel like, what we believe in, but you know what? You guys are the ones deciding it. And you mayor said, you know, we're not we're not deciding, but you guys are. Please, how many people do
you guys have currently right now? Are you guys under demand? Uh, how many people? 120 something people. Sir, your comments. So, you guys Well, he's speaking back to me. No, sir. So, I'll ask him to go to the podium after speaking if you'd like. So, 120, please. How many shifts are there? How much more
room is there? How much more expanding are you going to do? I have not once seen one St. Cloud police officer patrolman or anything else in my neighborhood. Yes, sir. Because you're not in the city yet. You will, though. Well, no. That's You guys have been saying that. You guys have been They've been saying, "Hey, they've been coming
in helping the other people, right?" No, they haven't been coming in helping out the sheriff's department. They have not helped out. You know, I I have an elderly mother. Guess what? response time when I called uh two months ago because she fell a minute 32 minutes and
that was coming from the uh I think what is it the cross prairie uh fire department right now currently the nearest uh fire department is off of Old Canoe Creek or something like that I don't know what the response time would be on that probably well over five
minutes you got to come down Neptune right so I'm asking the board to not approve the encumbrance and annexation. All right. You guys moved to St. Cloud
because you guys want to be here. I think St. Cloud's a great town. I love the downtown area here, but I didn't move to St. Cloud to live in St. Cloud. Okay. You guys didn't move to other cities to live in other cities. You guys moved to St. Cloud to live in St. Cloud.
Yes, sir. Thank you very much. So I ask you guys do not vote for along with everybody else. Right. Well, sir, please sit down. Next up, we have Jessica King. Hello. Um, I'm Jessica King, 1408 Kingston Way, also in King's Crest. Um,
my husband and I have lived there. Um, he actually bought the house before I even lived down here. And in the last 5 years that I've lived here, it's crazy how much everything's changed. Um, his grandmother actually built our house. She owned the house before us. And then he ended up buying it. And I have her
old title policy. I have our title policy. I used to work in title. So, I kind of know how to look these types of things up. So when we were notified in March that this was happening, I immediately went to go find the documentation. I know it's not you guys
and I know you've mentioned disclosure and everything and maybe those rules should change. It's so hard to even look up the incumbrance on the county website, the county recorders website, and I have background in it. So anybody else who doesn't know what they're looking for, like I had to actually have
it emailed to me from the county, so or from the the city. So, I just want to say that was something that it's not I know you know that dis things aren't disclosed in a way that they should be, but it it's just disheartening how much everything is changing so rapidly and
when you do get notified of something, it's you can't do anything about it. Um, we can't, but you guys can. So, I also just wanted to mention it seems like everything's been done backwards. Like every all of this land got approved to be developed. All these condos are going
up. These huge developments are going up. All these people are rushing in. So naturally, you say the city has to expand. None of the roadways have been expanded in preparation for that. So we're all suffering with that. It just that wasn't done in preparation. Um
you're annexing us in King's Crest, which I think is zone one. Um but you don't have the fire station ready. So it just seems like why are you guys doing things backwards? I I almost feel like maybe the infrastructure should have been ready before all this had happened
and then the excuse now is just well change is inev inevitable and growth is inevitable and it's going to happen. Well, it I just feel like it shouldn't have happened this way. Um and you know everything else with costs going up it's I don't agree with that either. But
that's it. Thanks. Thank you Jessica. [Applause] And would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this these items? Sir, would you like to speak? No, I was just going to ask. You have to stand up and speak. Name and address for the record, too, please.
My name is Orange Shahham. I'm at 5016 East Fountainwood Drive in St. Cloud, 34772. I was going to ask the chief of police. Do you Oh, you're gonna have to ask up here and then he can he can answer up there and you can listen in. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll ask him to go to the podium if he wants to
answer it. So, um, my wife and I, we moved, uh, from New Jersey and in our township, I would say the majority of our police officers were EMT or paramedics. Um, uh, is that the way you run your
department? The majority of your, um, officers, EMTs and paramedics, police chief, would you like to answer? So, I see the fire department shirt. So, uh, I was actually a fireman for 10 years up in Long Island, New York. I was a volunteer and a paramedic also. Um,
no, the officers are actually trained. I I know a lot of the northern, uh, agencies do have EMT certifications. Um, they have basic, uh, first aid, CPR, AED use. Um, they do, uh, Narcan distribution, nlloxxone, uh, for opioid
overdoses. And obviously, we we basically start to do the the initial assessment and we start working on the the victim or the patients prior to the fire department's arrival. So, um, our paramedics, there are paramedics on our SWAT team. Uh, we also have, uh, medical
first responders, um, on our SWAT team as well. So, not every law enforcement officer, um, is an EMT or a paramedic. And I will say that's actually for the greater Orlando or regional area. Um, not many, uh, people actually are crossworn. I don't want to say the way I am. Um, because I've had the chance to
wear all three hats, a firefighter, a paramedic, and a police officer. But not everyone is like that. Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh, I didn't use all my Yes, sir. You sure did. Yes, sir. One question. If you can ask one question. Yes, sir.
So, my question is, is this an up or down vote or is it a possible that you can postpone this for further study or because a lot of objections here because of a variety of things? Can it be tabled? That's the question. Yes, sir. Thank
you. And would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? No, sir. No, everybody's already spoke. You've already spoken. Anyone else? Spoke before. Darren Davis. Correct. Yes, sir. You You had your time.
Darren, Hickoree Road. How you all doing? Sir, uh, far as the service thing, as of a couple weeks ago, I figured out that, uh, it's good and it's bad. We had one of our developer neighbors put some cows
in his property and they get out on Hickory Tree Road. So, I get the phone call 11:30 at night. Well, your cows are out. Really? So, I go over there. They're not my cows. There's two cruisers over there chasing cows
around. So after about two hours they end up in Grammar Farms and I asked the just whenever you're done she's just putting it. Yeah, I know. But anyways, they end up in Gramarcy
farms and they go, "Well, we'll just count the county to come get them." Well, that's in the city. County says, 'Well, that's in the city. Why don't y'all look after it? So, so don't want to look after it. Animal C control wasn't going to respond to it at night.
So, this cow ran around the neighborhood out there for three days, and nobody done nothing with it. I ended up going down there and opened the fence up, put it in with my cows to get it off the damn road. Well, you're a good neighbor, sir. Well, you've always had I'm tired of getting phone calls at
two o'clock in the morning. Your cow's out. from the sheriff's department and the city. Okay. I asked the officers that were there that night. I says, you know, y'all got any help? No. There's uh we're short tonight. We only have four
cruisers on the road. Should had they said there should have been five. Okay. And I'm going like, hm, that doesn't seem like many cruisers for all of St. Cloud. When they annex all this in, how many cruisers are they going to add to it? How many firemen do they have to add
to it? How many they got to put fire stations in? Who's paying for them fire stations? Is it going to be St. Cloud tax base now or are the people are annexing and are they going to pay for it? I say it's the whole city's going to pay for it and they're going to be
millions of dollars. The one down here I think was 2.5 million. The one at Harmony they built out there was 4ome million. Where's all this money going to come from? Just out of the blue because all the impact fees are already spent. They
all go to the county. So, we're going to have to come up with a lot of money. You know, you talk about this fire station over here. It's not going to be here this September. It's going to be next September. So, you're putting these people's lives in jeopardy for a year
and what? Four months because they're not going to be serviced by the county. I know there's a interlocal agreement that both service if the other one can't get there, but you can tell by the way the game's played. If it's not your
part, you don't want to get in on it. But, uh, I just don't think it's right to force these people into the city that don't want to be there, especially if they didn't know nothing about it. Yeah. And I think you're talking about two different zones, Darren. When you're talking about Hickory Tree, you're talking about law
enforcement. They were all getting annexed in at the same time. Were you talking about law enforcement? Nobody knew which was which. No. Okay. I then I'm misunderstanding. That's why I'm asking. They knew that was St. Cloud out there. Grammar St. Cloud. St. Cloud police. St. Cloud police, fire,
everything. The new You cannot speak right now. The new developer that come in that brought put the cows in there. He got annexed in the city here probably a year ago. Yes, sir. And this will clear up a lot of that confusion. Well, there is no confusion. They just don't know what to do about it. I I I can
guarantee you our public sa uh public safety chiefs over here, they know exactly what to do with it once uh everything gets straightened out. So, thank you, Darren. All right. Have a good night. No, sir. No, sir. You had your No, sir. Sir, sir, I'm going to I'm
going to ask you to leave the room, sir. Sir, excuse me. Sir, I'm going to ask you to leave the room right now. Yes, sir. Him, too. Yep. No, sir. You keep speaking out. Please leave the room. Please leave the room, sir.
Thank you. You can't just yell out. I was asking you the question. I appreciate it, sir. Proceeding under Robert's rules. Is this proceeding on rules? Okay. Okay. I got you. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item?
Yes, sir. And can we please have your name and address for the record? My name is J.R. Wagner. I live at 2656 Red Blush Terrace in Twin Lakes. And I would like to echo the fact that I was never told about this when I bought my property. No one
has informed me up until when we got notices about this. And this is a 55 plus community. Like it's been said before, we're all on fixed incomes. We don't have any additional income coming in. And I've been told it's $795. I've also been told that it's
going to be up as much as $1,000. So I think the very minimum you guys need the money. It sounds like the police, fire department, everything, city of St. Cloud. But as citizens of your community, we can't bear the burden
of that out of the clear blue sky and come up with another thousand dollars to pay this bill. You should at least give us some notice. Grandfather us in, if you will, weigh this and and transition it in. If it's going to be $1,000, make it 500
this year and 500 next year. At least we can adjust our household incomes. The way you guys are doing it now, it's slam bang. Thank you, ma'am. We're done. I don't think that's the best way to deal with the situation for your citizens. I
realize you need money to operate your city and law enforcement, police departments. I just think you ought to reconsider what it's going doing to your constituents and how that'll reflect in the future of this community. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you.
[Applause] All right. Anyone else in the audience like to address this item? All right. Council discussion. Council member Paul. This question is for Dan. um wanted to find out with
after listening to all the residents um legally being that the residents that purchased these homes were not told about the um agreement, is there something legally that they can do on their end? And that's a good question.
So where I think a lot of the frustration and the concern from the individual property owners has been they did not get information with regard to this at the time allegedly at the time that they bought their homes or when wherever the transaction some of the homes have probably been sold two or
three times maybe more since some of these encumbrances are in place. So respectfully, I think a lot of their issues have to do with the people that they the ultimate developer that that developed the property and the people that they bought their houses from. And
so potentially if there are issues with regard to that, they may have some recourse, but I would without giving legal advice is I I don't want to do that either because it's not my role to give it to private to private citizens like this. I think it's going to be
problematic. And the reason why is these encumbrances were in place because the developer of that property came to the city and said, "We want water and sewer utilities for this." So, in exchange for the water and sewer extension
agreements, which is what they were back when some of these, especially the older ones were done, the city actually had to commit to extending water and sewer lines way outside the city's municipal boundaries to provide water and sewer from these incumbrances were in place. So, even if the
incumbrances could be somehow deemed to be inappropriate, they still got the water and sewer service. So, it's almost more like a contractual arrangement that these developments had with the city for the water and sewer service. And I think a court would probably still come in and and enforce that because they are
getting the benefit of that bargain. In other words, every one of those homes has water and sewer utilities from the city and the incumbrances were a condition of those services. So, I I think they potentially could have a cause of action against a prior owner of
their property, maybe ultimately against a developer. Uh, but for from the city's perspective, these incumbrances are enforceable. They're they were recorded as a matter of record and they are part of the the arrangement that was done at that time for the benefit of getting the
water and sewer utility. So, they're appropriate and legally before the city at before you for annexation at this point. So basically they wouldn't even be living there unless they were granted water and sewer. They would be under some other utility provision. I mean there's there you know they there be
they wouldn't be getting centralized water and sewer from the city. Okay. Thank you. Water or and or sewer. Some I imagine some don't have sewer. There are some of these that just have water. Yes. Okay. Thank you.
I'll go ahead and entertain a motion on on ordinance number 2025-28. Council member Urban, I I just wanted to say um I I really do appreciate everybody for taking the time to speak. I I do empathize with um the the um you
know, the taxes going up. I understand especially people who are retired on fixed incomes it can be difficult. Um, as I said at the beginning, um, we're, you know, I I I swore an oath to the city and and and I I feel like that, um, in my role here, I have to be
responsible, uh, for the city's, you know, fiscal responsibility or public safety consolidation, making sure that we are, um, a safe city and and that we're doing the right thing for all of our 60 70,000 residents. So, with that, I'd make a
motion to approve it. We have a motion from council member Urban. Second. Second from council member Gilbert. Madame clerk, please call the role. Council member Gilbert. I. Deputy mayor Fletcher. No. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. I. Mayor
Robertson. I. Motion carries 41. Madame clerk, please read the next item. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-37. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus - 26.38 acres. Let's go ahead and let the room clear
out first. I'm sorry. All right, madam clerk, you can continue. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-37, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. approximately plus - 26.38 acres identified as Marlo Apartments at Nova
Road project annex 25-000012 northeast north of east Bronson Memorial Highway west of Bradley Drive east of Nova Road in accordance with voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes. Good evening. Melissa Duncan,
director of community development. This case before you tonight is for the voluntary annexation for the project known as Marlo Apartments at Nova Road. This annexation is also an incumbrance annexation. This request meets the
statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with OciOla County as it is contiguous to city limits and is reasonably compact. The existing county future land use is community center with a community center
core zoning designation. Here is a graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the future land use designation of community center. For context, here's a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the current
community center core zoning classification for context. Honor before March 31st, 2025, staff recommended approval. Planning Commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that this council approve ordinance number
2025-37 for the voluntary annexation for the project known as Marlo Apartments at Nova Road. Uh at this time, staff is available for questions. Uh this is an incumbrance annexation. Therefore, this
is uh initiated by staff. All right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? And can I get a motion from council? Motion approved. Motion approved. Council member Gilbert. Second. Second. Council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. Deputy Mayor
Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. I. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries. 5-0. And there are no council actions items at this time. Next section. Next items on the agenda, ordinances, and there are
no first reading and introduction items at this time. City attorney. Uh, I did not have anything, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. All right. City manager. Um, I don't have anything except for um I meant to remind you before the meeting that you had received a letter from Representative Stark about Main Street
wanting support from the city council. I didn't know if that was still something. Yes. Did you Yeah, we can go ahead and bring that up if if staff was okay with that. Yeah. Um so so um Representative Sorry, she wears two hats. Representative Stark on behalf of
Main Street had requested um a letter from the city council for a grant application for a historic inventory um to extend up up to I think it was up to sixth street. Um and so we do support the inventory. I right now I don't know
that staff supports extending the historic district, but when we see the results of the inventory we can look at it further. Um so so the quest the request is if if um the city council would like to would approve the mayor signing that support letter.
Okay that was consensus. Thank you. Was there a cost with this? I'm so sorry. Just a letter of support. Oh from Main Street for a grant. So we if we support it was there's no cost associated not for us. Okay. No there Main Street's applying for a grant
again. But yes question. Yeah. She she typically looks for matches elsewhere and then uses I we had a meeting today talking about the Main Street agreement so I learned a little bit about how these typically work in general. Um she looks for matches and then she counts
the city's contribution as inind services because usually there is staff time associated with with a lot of the grant applications. I like what they do. Uh we just gave uh plaques away uh last Saturday at at historical plaques and it
was an awesome uh uh time. So I like to continue that and I think Main Street does a great job. I've asked Main Street to get with the other three sub um um committees within the city of St. out and kind of join in one. Uh so it's
easier for the city council to uh be able to assist them in an overall way versus each separate club in the main street and the city business as as you know. But it was a great thing to give plaques to these historical buildings. It was really cool. I yield back, mayor.
Sorry about that. All right. No, thank you sir. That was all mayor. Thank you. Thank you, city manager and council member Paul. Um I want to say thank you to the council. Um yesterday I was approached by um some residents and they were just saying
thank you. Um they see that we're out there in the community showing up and um they were happy to see that. So I want to say thank you to the council for showing up because it's definitely making the people smile and they are appreciative of it. So that's all I
have. Thank you. Council member Urban. Yeah. Yeah, to that point, I had the honor of uh attending the the Memorial Day ceremony at the Mount Peace Cemetery and um every year it's just u incredible um learning about the stories and the sacrifices that um our service members
made. So, uh just wanted to make sure we're remembering that on Memorial Day week and it was an honor to be there. Thank you, Council Member Fletcher. Um I just wanted to echo I'm sorry, Deputy Mayor Fletcher. I just want to echo the same comments. Um um you guys did an awesome job going out there representing
the city for Memorial Day. Um unfortunately I was stuck in the hospital with uh kidney stone, so I was unable to to make it out there. Um I did have one um item that I did want to bring up. Um I was not at the last city council um special workshop um where
there was a couple items discussed. One of them being the proclamation policy and putting a pause on proclamations. Um, when I went back and I listened to to the audio um, as some homework, it it appears that the the majority of the council would like the items to be voted
on um, prior to them being placed on the agenda. And I know that there's already a couple that were scheduled. I believe the the mayor had a couple had two of them on there. Um, the realtor association and I believe fatherhood awareness month. Um, and I was
wondering, um, since I've had people, you know, have had this scheduled for some time now and had already had it submitted, if the council would be willing to go ahead and take a vote on the one that I had scheduled tonight so that that I can continue to move forward. I have copies of the proclamation here and I'd be more than
willing to uh pass them out for your review this evening. So that's now. Okay. Yes, sir. Yeah. And and as you said, I had two proclamations on there myself that everything's kind of on pause till we can sit back down and and re review
that. Council member Gilbert, I just like to thank the council. Uh we make tough decisions up here every day and uh I just appreciate everybody sitting at this table and uh my heart felt for those folks. But as we have city ideas,
most of the folks said I'm Joe Smith from St. Cloud. I'm Joe and Sally from St. Cloud. So they identified with themselves from St. Cloud and received the services and part of growth is is um
has to be done in a proper way in increments. And I think we've done a good job of doing that. And I think that I'm just so proud of the council to understand and be heartfelt and make a decision which as as u uh council member
Urban said, the oath we took when we put our hand on the Bible is to uh support the city of St. Cloud and in in the laws in which we uh live by. So other than that, I just want to be thankful for my brethren, my sisters here for sitting through this and and I know it's tough
on you, it's tough on me, but I think the decisions made tonight will reap the benefits of the whole city of St. Cloud. I yield back to you, mayor. Yes, sir. No, and I do agree. It's tough up here. Um, it's also tough, you know, watching our community grow from when I was 18 months old here in 1982 from 6,700
people to 68,000, maybe even more. So, um, we all share your concerns with the traffic and and and everything else we have going here. But, you know, we have to we have to try and find a way to catch back up. And this first round, I hate to say this is probably going to be
the easiest round of of annexations. It's the incumbrances. The next one's going to be the the enclaves. And those are the folks that um like where I grew up um they'll be in the next coming round. So, it's just about getting the education, getting the the information out to the public. And I know that that
uh our city manager has done an amazing job uh doing that with this round. And I know I'm going to be out there with the police chief and the fire chief next month out in Twin Lakes speaking with the citizens. So, you know, we we really I'd like to get out there and talk to every citizen that that's going to be
annexed in uh prior to the council meeting because obviously this is there's there's a lot of emotions uh running wild in here and um we're all we're all members of the same community. We're all neighbors. So, and with that, uh, yep, I was out there at Memorial Day as well in St.
Cloud and, uh, also out there at, uh, Paula Starks, Representative Starks out at BVL and the Museum of Military History participate in that one as well. So, uh, it was great to see everybody out there and, um, that's that's the time where the community really comes out together and, um, it's a it's a
special time. So, and with that, we have the information section. Thursday, June 12th, 2025, city council meeting here, 6:30 p.m. at city hall. And with that, this meeting is adjourned.