council meeting In the interest of time efficiency and ensuring that everyone who wished to address the council is given the opportunity to do so the following will apply to all comments made by the public Each speaker shall be allowed three minutes to address the council unless such time is extended by the mayor or by account questions from
council Group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments Every effort will be made to avoid interrupting speakers For your information the items listed in section 11 of the agenda but for first reading and introduction and the council will not take final action on them tonight If
you have questions on these items please see city city staff in the back of the chambers Thank you for participating in your city government And I call this meeting to order All right We'd all please stand for the pledge I'm sorry for the invocation And we
have an invocation by Pastor Randy Law from National Day of Prayer of Ocula County Dear heavenly father Lord we come to you in the name of Jesus the name above all names I ask Lord that you just give these councilmen Father wisdom on the decisions the choices that they make
Lord only you know what the future holds I ask that you make them give them just your wisdom Lord Let them make the choices that are right for the community Lord for the generations that are coming after us Bless them in Jesus name Amen Amen And please remain standing for the
pledge I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all
Please be seated Madame clerk please call the role Mayor Robertson here Deputy Mayor Fletcher here Council member Paul here Council member Urban here Council member Gilbert here All right Thank you And city manager do you have any
updates i have several Thank you Um there's several items I'd like to pull off of the agenda Cons consent agenda items C and D which are resolution number 2025-036R and resolution number 2025-037R Additionally council action
number three which was the CND concrete resolution 2025-056 I would like to ask the council to hear council action item number four after public hearing number eight because it is all part of the same
project Um public hearing number eight was ordinance number 2025-20 Trying to find uh council action for the uh cmd I think we we put it all on your notes so you can just follow right along It's on there on your notes that you that you
go for Um and then I have several items to request a continuence on to the May 8th council meeting Public hearing number four and five which are ordinances 2025-14 and
15 Public hearings number 12 13 and 14 which are ordinance 2025 24 25 and 26 Each one will have to be read in and then a motion to continue So the clerk will read each one in Yes And I don't
know if we made a slide that showed Oh no we did not Um but I believe it's in your notes to to help you with those mayor All right Thank you city manager And madame clerk can you please read this item into the record um
item four Uh item number four ordinance 2025-14 Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-14 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation as MDR medium density residential for approximately plus - 17.18 acres
identified as east east side pud park pud located north of East 10th Street and south of Lake Runny providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the planning commission's recommendations and proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file and effective date All right And
can I get a motion to continue to the May 8th 2025 meeting motion to continue Second Uh motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second by Council Member Urban Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Council member Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson I
Motion carries 5-0 Madame clerk please read item number five ordinance number 2025-15 Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-15 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a zoning district of PUD plan unit development for approximately plus
- 17.18 acres identified as East Side Park PUD located north of East 10th Street and south of Lake Runny providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map providing for approval of the preliminary master plan filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof of public publication serability and effective
date and can I get a motion to move this item to May 8th 2025 meeting motion motion from council member Gilbert second from council member Paul madam clerk please call the role council member Gilbert I deputy mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I council member
Urban I mayor Robertson I motion carries 50 Madame Clerk please item uh read item number 12 ordinance 2025-24 Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-24 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex
into the city of St cloud approximately plus - 2.5 acres identified as an Anthem Ralph Miller Road located east of South Nusi Road and north of Ralph Miller Road and south of Ditson Drive and west of Hackne Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter
171.044 Florida statutes All right Can I get a motion to move that item to the May 8 2025 meeting motion to continue Motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher I Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert
Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5-0 And Madam Clerk please read item number 13 Ordinance 2025-25 Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-25 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St South Florida assigning a future land use designation of public institutional to approximately
plus minus 2.5 acres identified at Anthem Mil Ralph Miller Road located east of South Nusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road and south of the Dson Drive and west of Hackne Road providing for amending of the official future land use map and of the comprehensive plan filing of the planning commission's
recommendations and proof for publication applicability effects serability copies on file and effective date and can I get a motion to move to the May 8 2025 meeting motion motion council member Gil Gilbert Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member
Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And Madame Clerk please call item number 15 ordinance number 2025-26 Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-26 An ordinance of the city council
of the city of St Cloud Florida providing the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida specifically design changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 2.5 acres identified of Anthem Ralph Miller Road from LDR lowdensity residential
county or open spaces and recreation city zoning designation with a public institutional future land use designation located east of South Nusi Road and north of Ralph Miller Road south of Ditson Drive and west of Hackne Road providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following on the planning commission's
recommendations approval of publications to rebuilding effective And can I get a motion to move that item to May May 8 2025 meeting motion to continue Second Motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second from Council Member Urban Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi
Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 All right Thank you And can I get a motion from council to approve all proclamations on this agenda motion to approve Motion from council member Urban Second Second from
council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 All right First up we have Council Member Urban to present his proclamation This is the proclamation recognition of
National Day of Prayer by Council Member Urban to Randy Law are my support All right Whereas America was founded on the principles of religious faith and freedom And throughout history our state and nation we have humbly prayed for guidance and comfort where needed and
have given thanks for the many blessings which God has graciously bestowed upon his nation since inception Whereas prayer is regarded by millions as the most important utterance for mankind for its benefit And the National Day of Prayer is a day set aside by Congress for all Americans to pray and reaffirm
the spiritual principles upon which this nation was founded And whereas every state across America the observance of National Day of Prayer will be held on Thursday May 1st 2025 with the theme pour out to God the hope and be filled
based on Romans 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace and believing so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit and across and whereas across our nation and the world on May 1st 2025 Americans will unite at specific times in prayer to
acknowledge our dependence upon God to ask for forgiveness mercy grace peace and wis wisdom as we are faced with unprecedented challenges and to give thanks for the many blessings our country has received to recognize our need for personal and corporate
renewal and moral values to invoke God's wisdom and blessing upon our leaders and ask God to heal and unite our city state and nation during these difficult times Therefore I Kobe Irvin council member of the city of St Cloud Florida along with the city council do hereby proclaim
Thursday May 1st 2025 National Day of Prayer [Applause] I would like to invite all of you and share with others as well from 12 to 1 Uh if you are close to the CMI area we
will be at the CMI court at the Ocel County Courthouse from 12 to 1 There will be at the pavilion here at the lakefront We'll be also from 12 to 1 It used to be that I could make it to CMI city hall St cloud and the courthouse
within one hour I can't do that anymore Uh but Brenda Brenda Yates will be the one that will be here in St Cloud We even if you can only come for five minutes come and show support Come and truly just give God the honor Let's do
him I just want to real quick quote from Henry Wilson Remember ever and always that your county yet that your country was founded by the stern all Puritans who made the deck of the Mayflower and altar of the living God and whose first act on touching the soil of the new
world was to offer on bended knees thanksgiving to Almighty God We are a blessed nation The only way we're going to stay blessed is if we remember who God is He is our number one priority We
need to get back to where we teach our kids in schools the God that created them So God bless you Thank you And that is just at the performing arts pavilion here in St Cloud at 12:00 noon on May 1st which is Thursday Thank you
Thank you Good morning All right Well next up we have a proclamation recognition of National Telecommunicator Week by Mayor Robertson to Naen Zilki and the telecommunicators Fun fact me and Nadine played baseball
when we were 10 years old together Whereas emergency telecommunicators are the first and most critical contact our citizens have with emergency services providing life-saving assistance and prompt response coordination in times in crisis And whereas the dedicated men and women of emergency communication centers
serve as the vital link between the public and first responders ensuring the safety and well-being of both citizens and emergency personnel And whereas these professionals handle thousands of emergency calls each year demonstrating unwavering commitment professionalism and the ability to remain calm under
pressure while making critical decisions And whereas National Telecommunicator Week observed annually during the second full week of April recognizes the contributions of these skilled individuals who provide essential services 24 hours a day seven days a week And whereas the city of St Cloud
acknowledges and deeply appreciates the hard work sacrifice and dedication of our emergency telecommunicators whose efforts directly impact the safety and security of our community And whereas it is fitting that we honor and celebrate the valuable contributions of our public
safety telecommunicators and recognize them for their service to the citizens of St Cloud Now therefore I Christian B Robertson mayor of the city of St Cloud along with the city council do hereby proclaim the week of April 14th through 20th 2025 as National Telecommunicator
Week In the city of St Cloud encourage all citizens to recognize and express their gratitude for the dedication and hard work of our emergency telecommunicators [Applause] over there quite well I just want to point that out
Jump on the other side All [Music] [Applause] right Next up we have a presentation of Sammy's Big Adventure Book Sammy is Sammy in the building
i think I know Sammy's here I think he's here Oh there's Sammy Coming Sammy hit his head Sammy hit his head Poor guy No Did we hear one other I am I think they're still coming Keep keep
coming this way kids Yeah Keep keep coming this way Little ones up front Good Good evening everyone My name is Christina St Louis and I'm the educational program supervisor for the parks and recreation department I was meant to be joined
tonight by Crystal Hamrich the youth the youth services librarian at the St Cloud branch of the Oyola Library System However she's under the weather and couldn't be here with us today Back in October 2024 Crystal approached me with a
wonderful idea She wanted to create a children's book that would follow the exciting adventures of our beloved mascot Sammy the Sanhill Crane as he explored the beautiful city of St Cloud I absolutely loved the concept and was thrilled for all of our
kiddos to be involved And just like that The Adventures of Sammy the Sand Hill Crane was born To bring this vision to life Crystal designed a three-day writing workshop hosted at the library during our Thanksgiving camp All 41 of
our campers participated virtually via Zoom while Crystal led the sessions in person for the children attending at the library The workshop featured virtual visits from Crystal and a local Florida author Ariel Hahi We also had a local
illustrator scheduled to join via Zoom but unfortunately she was ill and she couldn't make it I want to give you guys a quick breakdown of the workshop experience On day one the kids had a special virtual visit from Florida
author Ariel Hahi who presented How to be an author She walked the kids through the key steps of writing a story starting with writing an idea developing characters and building a strong plot She encouraged them to keep revisiting
until their stories felt just right Ariel even shared her own writing journal journey including how she wrote her book The Sixth Sunday and found her in her illustrator on Instagram On day two our young writers rolled up their
sleeves and got to work refining their stories They polished their characters added more details to their plots and even began sketching scenes to match their writing It was so exciting to see their ideas really start to come to
life On day three and the final day they brought it all together The kids completed their final drafts and finished their artwork Each one signed the author page officially claiming their spots as published authors Then all their hard work was
handed off to Crystal who carefully organized the submissions retyped anything that needed a little bit of clarity and sent everything off to the publishing company We are so proud to present the final product a beautiful
book that captures the creativity hard work spirit of our amazing students And we're especially excited to have several of our young authors here with us tonight To all the students standing here with me who helped bring the
adventures of Sammy Sanhill Crane to life please join me in giving them a round of applause [Applause] Thank you for your imagination your effort and your teamwork You've created something truly
special Thank you [Applause] Good job [Music]
Sure One real quick smile Boom Got it Parents you can pick up your Sammy the Sanhill Crane Adventure book in the bridge outside across the way Before we get going we have a council
member here who is celebrating a birthday today So I'd like everybody to please sing happy birthday to Council Member Ken [Applause] Gilbert and happy birthday to you Happy
birthday to you Happy birthday dear Happy birthday to you [Applause] And mayor I think we need to keep a a closer eye on Sammy I saw him sneaking
over to Tampa the other day All right Next up on the agenda here we have a presentation by the Central Florida Expressway Authority Good evening Talk about some tough facts to follow I'll hopefully not put you to sleep too early Uh Mayor Robinson U
Council members thank you for having us here today On behalf of Central Florida Expressway Authority we're very happy to be here to share with you the latest updates on the projects we have ongoing in OciOla County My name is Will Hawthorne I serve as the director of transportation
planning and policy And without further with me tonight are Mary Brooks on our communications team Uh without further ado we'll go ahead and get started So we'll start off with our a quick look at our 2045 master plan This serves as our proverbial roadmap when it
comes to priorities and which projects we as an agency decide to study and analyze next Our current master plan which looks at the horizon year of 2045 identified a number of new expressways which may come as no surprise um that
are primarily located in OciOla County That translates to nearly 50 new miles of transportation options in this county alone And since this was adopted in 2022 we have almost all of those projects in
OciOla County underway in some form of the project development process being planning design or construction And believe it or not I was here in 2021 soliciting your input uh for this master plan And it's uh kind of hard to believe how fast time flies And
now we're getting ready to update it believe it or not All right so this video um this is a time lapse Let me make sure I don't Okay there we go All right They say a picture is worth a thousand words uh off of this
time-lapse video u that is a goes from 1989 to current day which shows quite literally the addition of thousands of rooftops And what's notable aside from 417 at the top of the screen is there hasn't really been any new major
transportation corridors established um that serve Ocula County and surrounding areas So what I'm presenting to you today um it this goes to show that that corridor and that opportunity for to get something done is rapidly
closing And in fact as you if you look at the very top of the screen you can see where 417 Oops Try this again We were in the process of building 417 at the very beginning of this slide So how are we planning for growth
u when we absorbed the Ocula County Expressway Authority one of the commitments was to take in their master plan and kind of see those projects through to fruition Much of what you see here uh represents that this the study areas have been updated based on the uh
the progress we've made on each corridor and the um we'll start off with the Santa Parkway extension which is on the left side of the screen Uh that is about a three-mile extension that we have under design that will connect into
county road 532 or OciOla Pulkline Road Uh we're working in conjunction with DOT and Turnpike which they are doing the segment between I4 and where we leave off Uh we are a major financial partner in that project to make sure it gets all the way to I4 to the tune of $230
million So we've kind of let them take the lead on that project We're taking the lead on Point S Parkway Extension And as you move down to the south you see the orange um shading on the map That's the study area for the Southport connector which I'm sure many of you
have heard about That project is in the planning phase or the PD&E phase Continuing east and to the north we have the northeast connector phase 2 That too is in the PD& phase And that connects into our state route 4534 alignment
which is in design as we speak So if you start to put all these pieces of the puzzle together you see how the a beltway the vision of a beltway for Oyola County is coming together To dig into the details a little bit we'll start off with Point Santa Parkway Again this is a threemile
extension of where it ends today at Ronald Reagan Boulevard Uh it will be a four-lane section uh has been divided into two design segments both of which are well underway in design and we're working our way through permitting And a third project is
actually getting ready to go out for construction for uh construction bids that is and that is to complete the fourlaning on 532 This was a a partnership project that we did with OciOla County And if you travel 532 today which is Champions Gate and I4
it's much of that's been improved with four lanes It does neck down to two lanes as you continue east Uh and we'll be continuing that We'll be finishing that out to 1792 Moving on to the Southport Connector PD&E project This is in the planning phase or project development
and environment uh phase This project has been gone ongoing for a couple of years now We are planning to have it brought in and completed by December of this year Um it's about a 15mi corridor that starts
where Santa Parkway ends at Cypress Parkway on the kind of the left side of the screen where it straddles the Oyola Pulk line road It does colllocate with Cypress Parkway And then as you cross Rey Creek the study area expands out We've got three different alternatives
or alignments that we're looking at um all of which do have a a common interchange point with Turnpike and then will ultimately connect in to Canoe Creek Road That project like I said we're hoping to have that completed by
December of this year The public hearings for that will be held in the fall so stay tuned for those dates Our next project is the Northeast Connector Expressway phase 2 This picks up where the Southport Connector Expressway leaves off It ultimately will
connect in with State Route 534 We started off the study uh about a year ago with seven different corridors under consideration We've since narrowed that down to I'll say three and a half corridors Um a number of those had were coll-located So we've eliminated the
segments that had either high social impacts or environmental impacts and we're kind of working through the different alignment uh tweaks right now to see what we can do to minimize um any impacts to those following corridors This segment is about 17 to 21
miles It's a massive study area That that blue segment you see there is bigger than St Cloud and CM put together So there's a lot of data that has to be gathered and a lot of interviews and um things like that that we need to analyze and take into
account And as you see as you go up to the north it does tie in um where the 534 ends That's Nova Road So that will the that's the logical termini for that part of the project So moving on to 534 uh this project or this alignment rather
has been divided up into five different design projects We do that so that it's more manageable from a workload perspective uh both on a design and construction side These are almost all of them are under u design right now We
anticipate the first one going to construction in early to mid 2027 and that would get us all the way down to Sirill Drive This is primarily a big reliever to Narusi Road which if you travel that road really most parts
during the day it's u it's it's quite quite full So we're very eager to get that moving and um underway That really uh concludes my presentation I'd be happy to answer any questions I do thank you for the time and um look forward to making some
serious investments in OciOla County All right Thank you very much uh Council Member Urban And thank you for your presentation I think um everyone who's driven around here in in in Oculo County knows that we definitely have a traffic issue So this is uh we're really really
excited to see the these in motion Um I just did have a one uh question about the the 534 the northeast connector You said the first phase of that would be up to it would go down to Sirill's road So phase one of I'm sorry you said of
Northeast Connector the uh the north the purple area Yes Okay So the first phase of that we already did the planning study and that took that was the segment from Sirills Drive down to Nova Road So that PD has been done It is programmed
for design or engineering in our five-year work plan Okay So yeah that's that's moving that's on its way to moving into design Great Thank you so much You're welcome All right Council Member Gilbert Yeah thank you Um being a member of Metro Plan these have come
about it to us but there's so many different entities that work together to get these things done So I appreciate your communication skills Uh I'd been um talking to our um Mr Innesota over here and we're looking at getting a connector
maybe a train down uh to Narusi Road uh to help handle the transportation I know that's a thought now and we're working on it but it should and can become a reality So we're going to work hard with that with a with a representative and also I appreciate this um speaking to
our citizens when you can inform them of what's happening it's a lot better even though it may take a few years you know some of these things are 2027 2028 2029 Uh that's not very far down the L road especially for the construction So uh I
appreciate what you do but just in the back of your head uh if we can get connector to the airport down to Narusi uh to 192 would just be awesome for transportation As you said Narusi is one of our busiest roads When I moved here 36 years ago there's more cows than
there were people and Narusi was one lane Well that's not going to happen I I don't believe widening is is the answer because of eminent domain and and the land you take but I think transportation and transit is going to be the answer in the future But I certainly appreciate you coming here to talk about this
tonight and letting our citizens know uh it helps and helps us be able to explain it better So thank you I yield back mayor Yes sir Thank you very much for the presentation Obviously our city is growing and our whole community is growing and and our roads they're much needed Um it takes a lot longer to get
to the other side of the county than It sure does It sure does Thank you And just one more thing So when we've set up the typical section for these this beltway uh it does have an envelope for some form of multimmoal train bus We don't know what it is but we have set
that aside when we're doing this So we're trying to look out into the future and you know cars may not be the answer at all the time but we are setting that aside So I appreciate you pointing that out and it's something that we're trying to be very cognizant of Thank you sir Yes sir Thank you very much Appreciate
you All right And next I'd like to welcome our US Congressman Darren [Applause] Sodto You know I was going to start with the veterans tourism idea but I'm with transportation just being there If I may
first just briefly talk about it So we know we have the I4 expansion going on right now That's $3.4 billion Half from the feds from the infrastructure law and from the American Rescue Plan half from the state Uh the governor and the state
has been a good partner with us on uh on that road And now Points in a Parkway That's a 1.3 billion dollar project again about half from the state half from the feds as was just alluded to as we're going to get folks all the way to I4 But next is that
Southport connector which should form if everything goes right and as our urban growth boundary stays strong the southernmost part of the beltway that forms the 417 and the 429 Uh and there should continue to be local input on how
we ultimately connect that up and and I appreciate Commissioner Gilbert's comments So we've already started talking with um both Mayor Dyer and with um with transportation officials about the city's potential the a vision that
many of you have expressed to me about bringing Sunro out of the airport down Narusi connecting it to both Lake Nona and St Cloud Things start as ideas and then they go from there Um the right now it was just an idea to connect the
airport and the theme parks but now we're on track for a what could be a $6 billion project to connect Orlando and Tampa through Bright Line and to connect the theme parks and to connect the airport through Sunreil and allow
Sunreil on the weekends too Um not that the turnpike is in my jurisdiction but it is being built finally I know uh as I was driving down here from the airport because I just landed a few hours ago Everybody bottlenecks right now at Oyola Parkway I live in CMI so normally I'm
making that right but obviously I was coming here tonight and it warms my heart to see them finally expanding the turnpike south of there all the way to Whe Boulevard and uh that's going to be so critical for u the the residents of
St Cloud We want to give people the option right they want to fly they want to take the bus they want to take the train they want to drive We want to give Central Floridaians options We're going to continue to work on that Uh I came here tonight though uh because the mayor
and I had a wonderful conversation a while back when you visited me in Washington about uh as one of the focuses of the city making it a veterans tourist destination something that I think is an absolutely brilliant idea and I wanted to come here
today to express my support for that Um whether it's Soldier City or the friendly Soldier City or any other moniker you want to use that's a local decision of course Uh the idea of honoring our service members and veterans embracing our history as
Soldier City founded by Union soldiers uh back in the day I think is an absolutely uh amazing uh brand for us to consider as we're marketing the city Uh embracing that history Central Florida
is home to 145,665 veterans by last check We have uh Disney already has shades of green which is a huge tourism veteran shows there's a huge tourism veterans market out there Lake Nona VA which we
literally have not only all year round residents but Snowbirds coming down uh is right up the street And of course we already have so many of these elements in the city from the Mount Keith Cemetery which is the only place to be on Memorial Day in my opinion in the
district which is why I'm so thrilled to be here each year um Veterans Park which we could talk about in the future Should it be the vision of the city to help with upgrades of that possibly making New York Avenue a Veterans Way simply having different
stations to highlight uh different soldiers histories and and the role with St Cloud I know you have a new city parking building which potentially might be able to if you build additional space in it might be able to be part of it And I know there's also mention of potential
victory garden at city hall All amazing ideas And uh then imagine veterans tourism programming veteran artists historic experiences farmers markets weaving in recreation Uh and we're committed to help I know we've already
had some discussions with the city manager about a new community project request for pedestrian barricades that hasn't been approved yet by the city So I'm just throwing out there that that's a discussion but you know how we how we operate at our office We await the
city's determination on that But those pedestrian barricades can help with a lot of these events that you all may plan Uh in addition we're committed to future grants and project requests that may support this vision should it be the one that the city adopts And by no means
is this an exclusive identity for the city or an exclusive economic vision We know pursuing downtown businesses recreational tourism manufacturing healthcare technology all also key as we're pursuing both healthcare technology in Lake Nona and uh microchip
technology in Neo City You all are part of both those big areas Um but I did wanted to come here today to just say mayor I I do love the idea embracing our history honoring our veterans and service members and and maybe just
shaving off a little of that tourism that's going to down 192 the other way with a with a strong theme among others like recreational tourism that we're so well known for So thank you for having me tonight and I appreciate uh the partnership with the city council Yes sir Congressman Thank you And I
appreciate you meeting with me for lunch there in the capitol You bet It was uh it was amazing and uh great ideas I I love the support for the idea Um you know you know we actually formed the created a few months ago the St Cloud Veterans Advisory Committee and so we've got those seats placed and and we look
forward to to doing great things with that for our veterans here And and you talked about farmers market and veteran resources So uh hopefully at Veterans Park we can kind of put something together there And um I'm gonna go ahead and let Council Member Urban have some comments on this Just wanted to thank Congressman Sodto for being here tonight
and I love that idea We are the so soldier city and love to embrace the veteran tourism aspect of our city as well So great idea Would love to support something like that Yeah I made a comment to the the county manager yesterday in our our lunch that I'd like to get some of that tourism money over
here from from that side of town So well you know I could maybe muscle them a little bit We'll see I work with them a lot for uh Brand USA goes to our committee in the energy and commerce committee and uh and with um visit Florida that forms some of the funding
as well as for um our our local visitors bureau So um I'll certainly uh do letters of support as we look for both state local and federal funding uh as well as for different infrastructure
that may um help you all I I just think it it makes a lot of sense and and I want to be here to support you all in your vision Yes sir And potentially some infrastructure improvements like the veterans park and if that we kind of tie the ideas into that I think that's what we talked about if that's the city's
will I didn't want to get too detailed for you Those are local This is where we get to talk about it Well that I look forward to your future community project requests and certainly will be supportive of it Yes sir Thank you very much We do appreciate everything you do
for us for your time Thank you And Josh I believe you are the you're going to be on our veterans advisory committee right all right Yep All right the next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda which
contains items that have been determined to be routine and uncontroversial If anyone in the audience wish to address particular item on the consent agenda now is the opportunity to do so Additionally if staff or members of the city council wish to speak on the consent item they have the same opportunity
Yeah Do we have any any council members would you like to pull any items on the consent i'd like to pull item E and L And do we have any in the anyone in the audience would like to speak on any of the items on the consent agenda b and L Um E as in echo and L as in Lima
And mayor like to pull J as well Mayor with your pleasure I'd like to do AB E and G A B E and G E G if I may please and L and L I'm sorry We have L and we
have J right yes sir Thank you sir All right Well let's start at the top with A Was that Council Member Gilbert yes Uh when I looked at A we looked at um a mobility fee credit for the rightway Lake
Gentry Um that cost was in upwards of $7 million Mayor uh I asked city manager and uh assistant city manager to give me the total of mobility free fee credits for that area Therefore we know what
percentage is that we're giving the mobility fee credits for So I I'd like to see all the mobility fees for that specific project to see what percentage that we're giving it credits Do you have you don't have that number
then i do not have that sir Um give me one one second Yes sir Yes ma'am Computer's going really slow right now I'm so sorry why she's pulling it up Uh council I I know we don't get much chance to talk but I I know there can be a percentage
of what goes into the private practice building these infrastructure roads at less cost for us because of PD&Es and studies and things governmentals have to do But I'd like to find out what percentage of total mobility fees it is because there are other infrastructure
needs that the city may have uh leading into these new developments Um mobility fees what I understand are anything that impacts the streets into the new development So I'd like to see a percentage I know there should be but I don't know what that percentage is yet
And at the pleasure of council I'd like to discuss that I'm I'm so sorry but I don't have my notes I had I had that for both of the first two projects Um and I'm I'm not finding those in in my notes currently and I don't know if Miss Duncan is here
Do do you have that information Melissa or if Miss Miss Re Well I'll go ahead and jump in on this I was also going to as y'all know I'm not a huge fan of of giving away large amounts of mobility fee credits until we
we look at a little deeper I'd like to move it to the next meeting Um but move it also have our next workshop We can talk about that Maybe we'll get all the information for everybody for that So I go ahead and make a motion to move it to the May 8th 2025 meeting I think Miss
Thacker may be the attorney for it Yes Joe Come on up Good evening Joe Thacker 17 South Orlando Avenue CMI Um this project is actually in the county right now and this agreement's already been approved
by the county Um so because of the interlocal agreement that y'all approved in November all of these road agreements have to be approved by both the city and the county But what we have done is calculated the
additional amount that this developer is not required to build and those are the credits that they are seeking Those are the additional uh infrastructure that's going in So the impact the mobility fees
that are collected would offset that and there's more impact fee or mobility fees being collected than what would be charged against this actual agreement So I just wanted to make sure you all are aware about how this project came about
and that it has already been approved by the county Um but you all are both required to do it and it is in the county and the engineer of record is also here and he can answer any of the technical questions that you may have on the agreement Yes ma'am Thank you
Good evening Sean Hendel Hans Walter Associates 8 Broadway Cassini Florida Um so this project just so you know the um the county is in the process of doing a PD study on Hickory Tree Road and as part of MXD 5 and six which they call
the Alligator Chain of Lakes MXD area um which I'm sure you guys are aware um they created premium transit corridors and boulevards and framework roads So this project was already approved um with doing access improvements on Lake
Gentry Road So adding left turn lights is and two right turn lights lines uh it's only 500 units um and it's it's not a very large project um when you think about the MXD area and you think about the 14,000 units we're designing
in the CMI Park area The county came to us and said "Hey we want to get this premium transit corridor started So we would like you to do a feasibility study on the roadway identify the rideway fund the rideway
for the county and build the four-lane divided designed as a six-lane divided roadway So we're building 3/4 of a mile of Hickory Tree from Hickory Tree Road to 3/4 of a mile south of Hickory Tree
Road a premium transit corridor This will be the road in the future that continues south and then turns west on the Mildred Bass and then continues across Canoe Creek Road to the Turnpike to a new Turnpike interchange So this is
the first phase of that roadway Um does the project need four-lane divided for that many units no Does it need a six-lane road for that many units no This is a county roadway Um we already have approved plans without the roadway and staff has come back to us and the
the developer has agreed that if this is something that the public needs that he wants to work with you So the only thing that we added in in cost was the additional cost of the of the road Our project doesn't even go 3/4 of a mile south of of Hickory Tree It's it's a h
the southernmost point's a half mile uh from Hickory Tree Road and then there's a gap of about a quarter mile before you get to our projects We own a quarter mile of it We're building threequarters of a mile and we're doing it as a fourlane divided Uh we're we're doing the feasibility studies in case any
rightway is challenged in court Uh you can do a PD&E or a feasibility study We're doing a feasibility study We're funding that Um we're identifying all the rideway from the properties that we don't have control of which is over 60 70% of the corridor And then we're going
to secure the rightway and create design plans and then build the road Um if you can think you know if we take down 200 units a year it's three years that he's done building the subdivision it's going to take at least three years to get the
rightway maps the the feasibility study and the design So in his last phase he'll be building a very large road that that uh really isn't for his project It's for the county and their ultimate goal for that MXD framework area So this
is an important road um to the east of Lake Gentry Road on Hickory Tree That is also a premium transit corridor So that'll be a ultimate six-lane facility It's four lanes divided traffic plus multimodal
lanes in the center that are 14 14 ft wide each and then once you go to the west of Lake Gentry Road Hickory Tree Road would be a boulevard still be a four-lane divided but it doesn't have the multimodal access to it So that that study is well underway should be done
this December and um from the consultant So the project that's across from Hickory Village is called Triple H South Uh that is 873 units They funded the PD&E study They're also going
to work with us and give us the rightway and take part of the drainage into their ponds Uh so that'll be part of that study as well So it's just it's it's we're the county manager had the vision that he wants to get these roads built with development instead of after
development This is one of those visions and this one is one that is a little bit beyond because the road's not serving the project at all It's serving the area So just wanted to give you some a little bit of background If you have any questions I'd be glad to add Yes sir Uh
Council Member Urban Yeah So the um the way I look at this and I know when when you see mobility fee credits um I wish they were named something different because it really is what I think is um private companies
can build roads a lot faster and cheaper than the government can And when we partner with these private companies to do that I think it's done more efficiently So I do understand that it's sort of a necessary evil when it comes to these uh the developments to to
partner with them to be able to build the roads and and that's just the way that I I look at it I know um it's definitely discussion we can have at another workshop but I know that private companies can can just do it quicker and cheaper than than we can
That's all Uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I echo the same comments that uh Council Member Urban um has spoke about Um this evening at our intergovernmental um meeting there was a word that somebody used for that was different than mobility fees and I found it you know
that that's a lot better but I don't remember what it was Um I do think that we're able to get a transportation um corridor through their built faster more efficient and a lot cheaper um to the taxpayer by partnering like Council Member Urban said with private
developers to ensure that the the infrastructure is in place um in the long term Um if we were to deny this and it not get built you know it's going to be years down the road the the the um the rightway is going to be more
money it's going to be more taxing to the taxpayer So so I don't and I love uh council member um Gilbert I do think if we moved this to a workshop it would just ultimately delay it and then it eventually get approved um anyways Um I
don't think it's fair um to the developer at this point um to to put it on the back burner That's just my comments Thank you Deputy Mayor Yeah nobody's talking about denying anything here Uh I I believe council member Gilbert was just looking for more
information Um I've I was told there are no plans That's where Sean I don't know if you have any plans that we can see of what where the roads are what's being improved So we've done a preliminary plan It's it was part of the developers agreement Um because it was a engineering plan and it had a lot of
detail it confused some of the reviewers So they they removed it from the agreement if I'm correct Yeah So they removed that plan Yes we do have a plan that shows the alignment shows the drainage Um and to your point on cost
we're our design fee is about 25% If I was doing this for the government and I had to follow the DOT guidelines as far as how I price it we're about 25% of what it costs for me to design for the government So so it is it is a big
savings to the the county and and the private side We've already negotiated with one of the adjacent property owners to adjust his plan provide the the rideway that's needed for the roadway and take half of the road corridor into
his pond And he's already modified his permits to do that So they're going to do a separate agreement with Resiu directly between Highland Homes and Resilu to let them know that yes we're going to provide you this right away and we're going to provide the drainage So just those costs alone are
are off the table for for the county to have this road completed But but as Joe said this is this project's solely within the county It's not adjacent to the city It is in your JPA area And as part of the JPA we have to have all developer agreements have to be triparty
So the county has already approved this on Monday Um so we're just needing because of the JPA we need your approval so we can go move forward This has delayed our client and carry on the land over a year and a half trying to get to this point and so they're very anxious
because they have to their carry costs are getting very expensive So just Yes sir I think my and I understand the delays and I and I hate that I mean we just find out about this six days ago Yes sir So that's where you know and and when there's no plans or there's no
total number provided to us um I have a hard time swallowing giving a 100% of mobility fee credits and maybe it's not if there are some fees that we are going to collect I'm That's okay But I I was just wondering what percentage I think that's what council was that city
manager I'm sorry Hey Um so the credits are 6,839,9367 It it is going to approximately generate 7,137,67352 What is the percentage of
that n someone said 96 They do math fast So 4% of that it's coming to us or is going to be paid be paid to the county To the county to the county Projects in the county Council member Gilbert Yeah Just one question Uh Mr Adams if I may And it and it was Thank you for explaining this to us because sometimes
we we like to plan and I know you're a planner also an engineer So I'm glad I didn't have to see that floor plan because a little above my pay grade But uh what percentage is going to impact your development and what percentage
because you my bell went off there that is not impacting but you're still doing that Is it one/ird or twothirds of this road so are you telling me that like two million bucks is what's going to impact your your development and the other four million's going to be something that
it's not you don't have to do but you're doing it for that I I just Yeah let me I'm I'm a figures and numbers guy So let me let me see if I can put it in a different term So so currently Lake Gentry Road is a two-lane road and 70 ft
of rideway Um we have approved plans from the county not doing this road at all So we have approved plans We had to add a left turn lane and a right turn lane at one of our access points on Lake Gentry Road So the cost of doing those
improvements for RTI is all this product needed to do The county came to us when they approved the MXD area There is a caveat and approval of a PS We already had our SDP approved that said if they make a change any of the roads to
framework roads that we have to come back to them and work with them on on putting this together And that's what we did We we didn't fight with them We said "Okay well if you're telling us that's what the condition of approval is then we'll work with you." So as far as the amount of this road the existing road
serves the project 100% There is also improvements on Hickory Tree Road and rightaway dedicated on Hickory Tree Road for the frontage We have a little bit of frontage on Hickory Tree on the project and that portion is also going to have improvements So there'll be turn lanes and and widenings for the ultimate
boulevard section of Hickory Tree Road We're going to be increasing the drainage and doing the drainage So when you think about this if we have a two-lane road and we put in drainage we may need a maximum of a 36 inch pipe to service that roadway and now we're
putting in drainage for a future six lane road So we have to more than double the number of inlets and inlet spacings we have to increase our pipes more to more in the range of 72inch pipes to be able to drain that big of a road uh into that system So all of those increases in
size to to take the magnitude of the road that they want built is what the additional costs are So I'm going to guess to you that there's about 10% of that cost would have been a direct impact of our project and probably 90% is not And when you think about all the
property off of us going a quarter mile south of us and we have to buy all the rightway impact the wetlands and the mitigation and extend the road a quarter mile south of us That's obviously there's no benefit That road does not cross the canal It dead ends at Lake
Gentry There's no benefit to our project at all for that So just but it makes sense because we have to if we transition back to the two-lane road then you got to come back and rebuild all that So we're going to take it quarter mile build the full section and stripe it out And and so in the future
when they extend it it'll be easier to extend Yeah We we looked at widening roads and the cost to widen a road is double the cost of building road And I apologize for not addressing you by your proper name So please please forgive me for that I like him So it's okay Well I and I saw him looking at me go Hey sorry
Mr Adams But but thanks for explaining that But I widening for me is a tough thing Building now because I'm in the domain and stuff is the right thing That's just one council person's opinion I yield back to you mayor All right Thank you City attorney Did you have anything i I just want to sort of make
sure that we I understand what sort of the discussion is today This project's in the county to the extent it stays in the county This project will pay no mobility fees to the city So when you're talking about credits
that are referenced in this agreement those are not city mobility fee credits So make sure everyone understand that those are credits the county is going to give to the funds that are going to be paid The county's already approved it as I understand They're okay with providing
these credits towards the project It meets the requirement for mobility fee eligible as Mr Hindle pointed out They only need two lanes They're asked to build four simply six to find you know basically to simplify it So it meets
that criteria So I just want to make sure we understand what we're talking about here on this particular case And it is part as he pointed out we did enter into this agreement last year that requires these to be basically triparty agreements uh when they come forward
because of where they're located Yes sir City attorney I appreciate that And I I believe I've learned more tonight than I've learned in the past six days Thank you Sh Appreciate you I'd like to make a motion to approve item A We have a motion from council member Urban to approve item A Second
Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madam clerk please call the RO Deputy Mayor Fletcher I Council member Paul I Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 50 All right Next up we have uh item B
resolution 2025-35R I don't remember who pulled that one That was that was me again mayor and and I apologize but uh I I got a little more information on this We're we're looking at a a $294,000 um mobility fee credit and I and I agree
with Council Member Urban and Fletcher It should be different than than mobility fee because that's really not the category 10 but I did find out the total mobility fees for that um council is over $2 million So we're at 10% That to me looks like a doable thing because
it makes sense uh once I learn at the percentages that that makes sense But I did ask about the same thing Out out of the two million plus in mobility fees 10% of that will be going to the improvements Piner Grove Lake and Lake Lindsay Drive I yield back to you now
Yes sir Council member I approve I'm sorry I I agree with your comments on that Uh $294,000 to put in that turn lane I believe that turn lane will serve most residents in that area and not just a particular development or not open up for development It actually will
improve the safety of that area So um can I get a motion on that or any other comments motion to approve item B Motion to approve from council member Urban Second Second from Council Member Paul Madame Clerk please call the RO Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi
Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5 All right Item number E Yeah So this one um I know we had talked at a workshop about purchasing some properties off of Rumble
Road for parking and other purposes at the lakefront Um talking to staff at my briefing this week Uh just the $700,000 is you know I understand it's a lakefront lot but that's a lot of money to be putting out just for parking or or
whatever it is and and in my discussions with the city manager and staff uh without this property we'd still have room to reorganize the traffic and help that transition from Lake Shore to Rumble Road with a roundabout or whatever it is So um I would not be in
favor of spending $700,000 on this particular property but that's that's just me Council member Paul I would agree Also um I would like to see the funds used for possibly a roundabout I know um homeowners on Lakes Shore have
complained about the traffic you know speeding or someone just stopping in the middle of the road and you know for safety reasons So I would like to see the funds used for possibly a roundabout Council member Gilbert Uh yes Mayor
Thank you Um this Rumble Road Mississippi uh lakes shore is where this this area is we're talking about and it's a heavy traveled area now Um it's constant uh connecting narusi from uh part and settlement from 192 It's actually what we call the cutthrough
versus uh 13 Uh I'd asked uh uh Kevin and and and uh the department to get me a price of what it would take to put a roundabout in that area along with signage to uh we could utilize that as they enter our city for city events
safety events and things such as that Uh being in real estate and buying homes throughout my lifetime um I personally wouldn't spend $700,000 on this house today Uh the market is softer I don't know if this could be revisited at another time if it does not
get sold but uh mayor and council I believe Kevin said that a roundabout could be put in without this property being uh purchased Again great piece of property Uh just want to make sure that uh our our our final game is to put in a
transportation roundabout there or something such as that to make it smoother from Mississippi to Rumble to Lakeshore in that in that uh tri area there So my research says we can do a roundabout without this property Uh I looked at this property personally as a
buyer I wasn't I didn't think the price was right but that's just me and I know we got it appraised and it was appraised at $700,000 So with that that's just information I gathered for this project and I yield back to you Mayor Thank you Kevin can you please come up here and
uh the podium yes sir Um do you have any comments on this item about uh whether or not we can still put a roundabout in that area um Kevin Finger public works director Um it depends on the speed in the roundabout
Um because just a just a rough area the faster the the faster you want to go around the roundabout the bigger it's got to be Um there's going to be um like I said the higher speed you have going going through out there it's going to have um like I said it's going to need
more space If uh if you're wanting to go you know close to full speed of you know 20 mph because it's a 25 mile hour road it probably won't fit in there Um but we will have to make we can make a smaller um traffic circle that that sort of stuff to be able to do that Um right now
it's like I said it's functioning pretty well the way it is Um I said it just has one stop sign but I said but as you're talking about when they start coming around Lakeshore to Mississippi um we widened that uh um that that radius several years ago to go help try to make
it better because it used to be a hard 90 Um and so I said so we we could make some improvements in that area with the existing rideway Um if you want to have a large uh roundabout um we would need additional space for that but but we could make improvements in the existing
rideways Uh are we city manager we still talking about the property across the street as well about purchasing that we are um they have asked for more than it appraises for So we're we're having to
go back and forth But I I did want to point out just to make sure that that Kevin's clear um the first lot is not the the lot that we're talking about on on this item right now It's it's the second lot And I believe you did a drawing that showed a roundabout that
was using the the first lot which is later on I just I just wanted to make sure when you're talking about the speed to the city council that we're all on the same on the same page Thank you for that clarification because I but yes I said but it would be a a higher speed one if we were use able to use that first lot So I I do apologize that was
confusion on my part I I do apologize for that Um but but it still would be a probably about a 20 mph roundabout that could fit in that area So I I apologize for misspeaking if I did No that's okay And I think 20 mile miles per hour is consistent with that area right so we can still do what we what we need to do
on that with just the purchase of that corner lot Yes Is that correct okay All right Uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um what is what would be the the cost um to to design and build the the roundabout in that area i I've been I've been
trying to find cost because obviously as you're talking about making uh smaller improvements the the cost per per unit goes goes up Um we were looking at probably in the like I said with the the larger size it's probably be in the threequarters a million to a million
dollars um it would probably be a a a good estimate uh to be able to go with for the construction of one Thank you Okay Well I agree If if if it's not needed 700,000 is a large amount of money and and if we can still accomplish
what we need to do I'm all in favor of that So uh can we get a motion on that motion to deny item E as an echo We have a motion to deny item E as an echo from Council Member Urban Second Second from council member Paul Madame clerk please
call the role Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5 Thank you Kevin And next we have item number G
G Number Sorry Letter G Sorry Sorry it's me again Uh I I I work with uh this great council uh every day and every month but we don't get to talk about much But uh outside of this office unless it's
workshops I just want to find a way to take away contingencies I I just want to find a way that if somebody bids on something that the citizens are paying for ultimately that we're not giving them a cushion to uh raise their prices We kind of know what
market prices are now Things are pretty stable and that 10% just reads to me let's bid it low and bill it high Um I know this is the way the government works I just I'm asking the council to
help me with ideas on future bids to uh look at contingencies And I'm looking at the city manager over there He's shaking his head He's been here 27 years And I'm sure I wasn't shaking my head City council Oh I'm sorry city manager I'm sorry I didn't have my glasses on Now I see you over there Sorry I I have to
take off way more hair I'm sorry I have to take them off when I read So I You look like a bush over there A shiny one at that But but uh but uh I I just don't know and I could be wrong of how things are bid out
without contingencies built in and governmental things Dan can you help me with this well this particular provision that's that you've seen in a lot of your contracts was actually from a direction of the previous of a previous council So what was happening on these projects is you put the project out and there are in
a lot of project there are the unexpected cost issues that come up during the construction project Things are discovered things need to change So this basically allowed for staff through the city manager's approval after after
verifying it to allow that 10% to continue the project without having to bring the the agreement back to the city council And that's the direction that we had gotten from the city coun a previous city council about how to handle it Um we certainly that certainly can change it My only caution to you and the folks
in procurement and the folks in the public works division who deal with most of they can probably verify this it can run into project delays because if you get to that point where something has happened and it's going to change the price of it and you have to go through
the formal change order process bring a change order back and deal with it So that's the that's the basis for it but it's entirely up to the council about how you want to handle it And I appreciate that uh uh Dan and I apologize I got my glasses on now Uh but I I'm a contractor and we bid on uh
numerous events over 300 a year and it's up to us to make those events and that things happen within the but bid that we bid on and there's other contractors bidding against us and they have to make it happen for what they bid on So I just think it makes them sharpen the pencils
more give us a realistic cost better instead of uh like I like to call it fluff I would like to tell all my customers I'll do it for 50 bucks but it might c you cost you 60 You know uh that's easy because I would love the percentages of how much it comes in at
the number and how much it comes in at the contingency number And that would really tell us what what a bid really I believe goes to And again I'm going to get off my sock box Mayor but I just want to look at saving the tax dollars and the taxpayer money every time I can So I yield back with that All right
Thank you city manager Thank you Um I I'd like to explore this maybe at a future workshop where I can bring you actual examples so that you can see the things that were that we that we encounter that would hold us up because often once we break ground you know
they're mobilized as a contractor you know if they demobilize while we wait a month to get on a city council agenda to get the new paperwork um that also costs us money So I' I'd like to maybe put it on a workshop so I could show you some specific examples maybe that of what we've dealt with maybe recently so you
can kind of see the type of things that that we're coming back with All right Can I get a motion on item G motion to approve item G Motion to approve Council member Urban Second Second Deputy Mayor Fletcher
Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I Council Member Urban I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And we have item J And that was my item Mayor I just wanted
to pull it for a separate vote That's it All right And just discussion You're not You don't want to make a motion okay And I would like to go ahead and talk about item uh K Um city manager I
know we spoke about the the um taxable the taxes that'll be derived off that by giving this loan that the project being built and I think it was 80,000 is what we thought the estimate what you had told me first originally that's what we were told when we were working with the
property appraisers office but because it wasn't on the tax rule the building hadn't been completed when they had started it but once they had firm numbers they came back and they told us 30,000 Okay Okay And like I said this was something that that was approved last year They're
just going back in for the funding It's a 30-year loan Okay And item L Mr Mayor before we move on before we forget it since Mr Fletcher asked for a separate vote on that item can we You want to vote separately i think he did on talk about it No not
talk about just a separate vote So we've done in the past like where where like you pull you can pull it off I don't have any comment on it I just would like we can call for a vote now Okay Go ahead and make a motion on it I think he I think he's wants I understand if someone else can make a
motion I think I'll make a motion to approve Motion to approve item J Go back to item J Motion to approve item J Council member Urban Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher No Council member Paul Hi Council member
Urban Hi Council member Gilbert I Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 41 Thank you Mayor Sorry about that That's no problem All right let's go to item
L City Manager Um I'm sorry This was Deputy Mayor Uh sorry Council Member Yeah I had pulled this one And I know in the past at meetings council member Gilbert has said you know why do we have fees if we keep reducing them right what's the the and I
I was looking into this one and and it's it was a property management company and and my position is well the property management company needs to be uh responsible for their their tenants and making sure they're they're working up to code So I wouldn't be in favor of
reducing their their uh fees I just wanted to put that out there but put it out for discussion with the rest of the council Uh council member Gilbert Ditto man a few words All right Any other discussion on this
item so the item is if I may the item is to is the request from the applicant that was brought before you was to request the $120,000 fine reduction to $24,000 uh $392.90 So um if if it's the intention
of the council not to accept that then there's two options You either can deny the request or you can offer something else instead of the reduction that's being considered Motion to deny item L We have a motion from Council Member Urban deny to deny
item L Second Second from Council Member Gilbert Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5-0 Okay we made it through that And can we
get a motion to approve a motion on the other items that we have not pulled we have anything left i I think there's maybe one I think we've got H and I Yep Motion to approve the remainder of the consent agenda Uh we have a motion from Deputy I'm sorry Council Member Urban I
second Second from Council Member Paul Madam Mayor just for clarification that would be not including items C and D which were removed from the agenda earlier in the meeting Yes sir That's correct Excluding those items Uh Madame Clerk please call the RO Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy
Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi And Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5 All right the next portion is citizens forum Any person who desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council Each person is requested to
complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person addresses the council And do we have any member in the audience that wish to address the council yes sir
I'm Steve Shower I've lived here for about 10 years I visited St CL about 50 years ago and they used to have some signs on 17th Street about the Sand Hill cranes and
um well a lot of them get hit by cars today and about three weeks ago friend called me up wanted to know what to do about this bird with a broken leg and I said well got to call the humane society or
the animal control or one So they found a reptile place in CM is the only place that was open and they said uh SeaWorld used to come out and get them to take them back to try to rehabilitate them turn them
loose in the wild again but they don't do that since the bird flu So anyway quite a few get killed on they said about four a week get killed and um one in Vermont they get run over and
over on Old Canoe Creek Road So I just thought it might be nice if the council could get some new signs made up and put them around for the cranes Um we really have a speeding problem in
my area And um and the birds well they do blend in with the color of the road but uh if you see a sign I mean I I remember that sign from 50 years ago so it made an impression on me I didn't live around
here and didn't I've never seen one I certainly didn't know they walk through the street So I just think um need some signs made up and so I hope you guys would consider that
Yes sir And can you give your name and uh address for the record steve Shower Uh I live at 5901 Diamond Court St Cloud Yes sir Thank you And Steve I appreciate you coming to meet with me today and sharing your views on this and and we'll
definitely look into that and uh Okay So thank you You know I appreciate you you caring for the San Hill Cranes here That's right Okay Thanks Yes Thank you sir Oh can you please fill out the form sir um Steve All
right our next section will be public hearings Uh madam clerk can you please read item number one final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-03 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment for the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida
specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 1.01 01 acres identified as Frier's Cove Lane from Agricultural Zoning Designation to R1B single family dwelling zoning designation with a lowdensity residential future land use designation located northeast of Friars
Cove Lane west of Clint Avenue providing for entering the designation of official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations approve of publication servability and effective date Good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development This case before you tonight is for a zoning map amendment for the project known as
Friars's Cove Lane The applicant is requesting to change the zoning from agriculture to R1B single family The request is compatible with the surrounding area and there will be no adverse impacts on city
facilities Here's a graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the lowdensity residential land use And here's a graphic representation showing the existing zoning map reflecting the agricultural zoning
classification that will be changed to R1B Honor before January 25th 2025 Staff recommended approval Planning commission also recommended approval Likewise it is requested that city council approve ordinance number 2025-03 And staff and the applicant are
available for any questions Yes ma'am Can you go back two slides or maybe Yeah two slides please Oh that's it Nope One back Sorry Okay So the little the triangle above it that's that's also R1B correct so it's it's you're going
they're trying to change the zoning to that same Yes sir Okay Thank you And in the audience we have Kevin Stroer My question was just Thank you And would the applicant like to speak on this item good evening Bruce Taylor 131 East 13th
Street I'm uh actually here um representing that the agent KDA Engineering is applicant also So I'm here to answer any questions Yes sir Thank you Thank you And would anyone else in the
audience like to speak on this item and can I get a motion motion to approve Motion to approve Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second from Council Member Urban Madame Clerk please call the RO Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I
Council member Urban I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And Madame Clerk please call item number two Read the next item Give me the next two Next two Two and three Yes Final public hearing for ordinance number
2025-09 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment for the zoning map for the land development code of the city of St Club Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 1.13 acres identified as Tavaris Santiago from RS2 single family residential to R1
single family dwelling zoning designation with a lowdensity residential residential future land use designation generally located east of Orange Avenue north of East 10th Street south of East Fifth Street and west west of Rosedale Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following the planning's
recommendations proof of publication and effective Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-11 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation of lowdensity residential to approximately plus - 1.13 acres identified as Tavaris Santiago located
east of Orange Avenue north of East 10th Street south of East Fifth Street and west of Rosedale Avenue providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the planning recommendations recommendations and proof for publication applicability effect seability copy on files and effective
date and Mr Mayor before Miss Duncan proceeds I just want to remind you that when you when this item if you take a vote on it you need to vote on item number three before you vote on item number two so they have to be in reverse order than they're on your agenda Yes sir Thank you Thank you Melissa Duncan director of
community development This case before you is for a comprehensive plan amendment and a zoning map amendment for the project known as Tvar Santiago The existing future land use is low density residential which is the county's designation as this was
recently annexed into the city The um proposed future land use is low density residential and the existing um zoning is RS2 and they are requesting to go to R1 single family The uh request
is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities Here's a graphic representation of the lowdensity residential land use And here's a graphic representation of
the zoning map Staff recommended approval on or before January 25th Likewise U planning commission did as well We are requesting that city council approve ordinance number
2025-11 for the comprehensive plan amendment and the ordinance number 2025-09 for the for the zoning map amendment and staff is available if you have any questions All right Thank you Is the applicant
here to speak on this item good evening Uh Iris Taris I'm at 605 Orange Avenue Um and I'm here to answer any questions that you might have for me Yes ma'am Council member Urban Yes Um what um what do you plan on doing with
this property is it a uh Yes So um we uh plan to uh split the lot and let our daughter and her family build a one family right next door to us Um she developed um multiple sclerosis and uh
she's going to need a little help with her family I don't know who's going to help who but um we just want to have her near Thank you so much City manager I believe she means an accessory dwelling unit Just to clarify you won't be splitting the lot No you don't have to
split a lot with an accessory dwelling unit Okay All right Council member Gilbert Or but that's what I was told previously Uh I'm going to write it down because I don't know what it is so I'm going to research Well one you don't have to pay as many impact fees
on And the other one you do Thank you for letting me know that That's why we kind of started getting the ball rolling because they told that told us that the impact fees were going to go up So we hurried to try to get you know
everything going So we'll work with you Thank you so much Wow Uh yeah I was just going to echo what the city manager says We have planning folks that will work with you for the accessible dwelling unit The costs are substantially less And you said you don't know who's going
to help who I think each family member is gonna help each family member So I'm really uh praise God and hopefully it works out for you Wow All right Is there anyone in the audience like to speak on this item
thank you so much Yes ma'am Thank you very much And can we get a motion on item number three motion to approve Motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role
Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi Council member Paul hi Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And can we get a motion on item number three i'm sorry two Motion to approve Motion
to approve Council member Urban Second Sorry Sorry it was Paul I don't know who came for Who was she did All right Council member Paul Second Uh madame clerk please call the role Council member Paul I Council member Urban hi Council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor
Fletcher Fletcher Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And Madame Clerk please read the next item Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-18 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex
into the city of St cloud approximately plus - 8.48 acres identified of wild willy airboards airboats located east of Apache Road south of CMI Park Road and west of Tokoa in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida
statutes final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-9 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cal Florida assigning a future land use designation of mixed use to approximately plus - 8.48 48 acres identified as Wild Willie Airboats located east of Apache Road and south of
CMI Park Road west of T to to Lake Toho Paliga providing for amending of the F official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the planning commission's recommendations and proof of publication applicability effect severability copies on file and effective date Final public hearing for
ordinance number 2025-20 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 8.48 48 acres identified as Wild Willie
Airbolts for mixed from mixed mixeduse county zoning designation to mixed mixeduse city zoning designation with a mixeduse future land use designation located east of Apache Road south of CMI Park Road west of Lake Tohopga providing
for entering the designation of the official zoning map finding of the planning commission's recommendations and proof of publication servability and effective date discussion and possible action regarding the approval of mixeduse concept plan on plus minus 8 8.0 acres of land known as
Wild Willie Airboats generally located east of Apache Road and south CMI Park Road and west of Lake Tobago Road Good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development This project before you is for the annexation comprehensive plan amendment zoning map
amendment and concept plan for the project known as Wild Willies Airboats The property is contiguous and reasonably compact The property abuts the city limits on the east eastern property boundary The existing county
future land use is mixed use and the existing county zoning is mixed use as well They are proposing to um have the city's future land use of mixed use and the city's zoning of mixed use The uh request is compatible with the
surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities Here's a graphic representation showing the property and how it is contiguous to the city limits on the um east Uh the properties in the
yellow there are currently in city limits Here's a graph graphic representation of the future land use map showing the current land use of mixed use in the county And here is the current zoning showing the current
mixeduse zoning classification in the county So a little background on the uh comp plan sorry on the concept plan They are proposing um to have the neighborhood type of uh neighborhood center and they are proposing to have a
recreation area that will um have local ecoourism providing airboat tours utilizing the lake And then they will also have um conservation open space area providing a trail head linking to the lake toho protection area the
Bellaterara trail system and the existing public boat ramp Here's a graphic representation of the concept plan itself showing the layout of the development staff reviewed this request and we
recommend approval of the annexation the future land use and the zoning map amendment Um we are recommending approval with condition on the concept plan and I'll read the condition for the concept plan
into the record It is the applicant shall implement a GPS-based tracking system on all operational airboats prior to commencing operations at the subject site This system shall be used to monitor and maintain safe distances from the shoreline in accordance with the
city of St Cloud applicable law The applicant shall also continue operating exclusively during daylight hours with the business activity occurring between 9:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m except as pre-authorized by the city manager in advance
Melissa I believe we agreed to revised language about daylight hours on that condition Uh we were going to keep it as is and he was gonna request it Sorry That's okay But yes we we support
it Again um both staff and the planning commission recommended approval of ordinance number 2025-18 uh 2025-9 2025-20 along with the um concept plan
with the condition as stated by staff and we are requesting that the city council do the same and the applicant and staff are here if you have any questions All right Thank you Melissa Would the applicant like to speak on this item uh John Ryan Adams R.J Whitman
Associates 8 Broadway semi Florida 34741 Uh we do have one request It does pertain to MCP uh 24-00002 uh regarding the special condition I did Thank you Thank you
Thank you Oh he didn't give one to our attorney Uh we did speak with staff uh in our request with this revised special condition and as you heard from staff and city manager they are in agreement
Uh the requested revision uh reads "Applicants shall implement a GPS-based tracking system on all operational airboats prior to commencing operations at the subject site The system shall be used to monitor and maintain safe distances from the shoreline in
accordance with city of St Cloud applicable law The applicant shall also continue operating exclusively daylight hours with airboat tour activity occurring between 9:00 a.m and sunset except for pre-authorized by the city manager in advance Uh the reason for the
request is approximately 93% of uh the current business that's been in WildWillies airboat does happen between 9:00 am and 5 pm However the ability to accommodate late afternoon tours in the slower tourism season when daylight
hours extend but the demand declines is critical uh to maintaining the staffing levels and their economic sustainability Uh these tours would continue to operate strictly during daylight hours in compliance with all
safety protocols Uh providing this operational flexibility helps avoid seasonal layoffs allows captains to supplement income during off peak periods and supports long-term viability of the business all while upholding the city's goal of limiting operations to
safe visible conditions The GPS trackers condition the GPS tracking condition would further ensure compliance and accountability So that would be our request and I would be happy to answer any other questions All right Thank you John Um I just would
like to reserve some time to answer any of the public Oh yeah Oh I'm sure we'll we'll be talking more here All right We have Brandon Seismore I think y'all You're top of the list All right
How y'all doing this evening um I'm Brandon Seismore Uh I was up here We had a preliminary hearing with some of the volunteers that you know brings us here tonight Um we were met with some resistance that night Some people talking about noise and stuff Airboids
are no are noisy We know that Um that being said that's why we come to you with this you know the GPS saying that we're going to be respectfully we're going to do everything we can to make sure that neighborly we're going to be keep it
down and it's not going to affect anybody surrounding us Just to introduce myself though I've been a captain at Wild Willies for 10 years Doesn't really say that but we're already an existing company We're just at a different location So this is a property that was
acquired and we're looking to basically be able to spread our wings a little bit have a piece of property to accommodate what we have going on We're working with mechanical equipment It' be great to be able to pull them up into a shop work on them you know what I mean just and we
and and vision I guess I want to bring to you our vision is we want our our new front to be minimally invasive We want everything to to flow in with the landscape It's gorgeous over there if you've ever you know been on the banks of Toho
Um and uh yeah we just we need the space We're we're operating out of a spot now that's in RV park Uh we're just limited We don't even have bathroom enough bathrooms to accommodate our guests Uh
our busiest season we'll do like 300 people a day Um that's that's about what we can do right now But that's that's it Um very seldom do we ever reach those numbers actually but we stay pretty steady
throughout the year Um Wild Willies is like a small mom and pop We're very family oriented They're definitely my family Not sharing a last name but 10 years of working for somebody you definitely uh we're
definitely close Um just uh yeah that's we're just looking for approval We're wanting to to have a new spot Uh I think everything I don't think there's a whole lot holding us back from my point of view other than some resistance from the neighbors you
know which I get that But uh we just want them to know that we're already putting in place everything We're prepared to make sure everyone's happy at the at the end of this And I would love to answer any questions if Can I get your name and address for the
record please 1701 Connecticut Brandon Seismore Yes sir Thank you Brandon I don't know if Go ahead sir I didn't come up here with anything planned or anything I just wanted to talk to y'all and kind of just show my show my support for my for my company and what we're trying to get done today But um if
anyone like you know in my position I'm the one firsthand dealing with our our guests come from all over the world You guys have any questions for me maybe can I answer any questions about Oh we're gonna have questions about what we do and all that Well first uh you said you guys are at uh the Well you're not there
You're an employee correct Okay Uh you're you said the mobile home park Is that the old Reds down there reds Fish Camp Gotcha Okay All right Thank you Brandon Appreciate you Next up we have Alyssa Seismore A little better looking
And name and address for the record please My name is Alyssa Seismore 1701 Connecticut Avenue Sorry I'm a little nervous Okay Um good evening My name is Alyssa Seismore and I'm proud to be the first female captain at Wild Willies Airboat Tours Wild Willies is a small
family-owned company that started 18 years ago with Brad Sharon John and One Boat That's my favorite boat that I run too I wanted to become a captain for another company when I was 18 years old and they told me no John never discouraged me but actually encouraged me to continue with my dream with the
promise of becoming a captain for them It's been the best decision that and um excuse me and it just proved to myself that I can do anything The best thing about being an airboat captain especially for Wild willies is having the clients that have come back over and over I had a family
that's been back 12 times They bring people from all over back to us and um each captain giving them a different tour When a family from the UK gets off my boat after an hourong tour and tells me this is the best thing they've ever done in Florida knowing darn well they've spent countless hours at theme
parks and doing all the tourist things and spent their life savings to even be here It truly warms my heart because I get to show them where I grew up and what Florida looks like to me Um a lot of that is the Whley's property and the Plat family property Um if anything we try to talk about the
heritage and the wildlife and what the land meant to our community and what it means to our tours We love the cows out in the pasture We love when the turkeys are roaming around We get to tell them about all the different things that Florida is known for not just Disney and theme parks We talk about the oyola turkey and the grand slam and even the
cypress trees and oak trees People don't realize that there's so much tradition here in Central Florida and we get to show them our side of town This isn't a bad move We're just trying to come literally around the corner We've been running out of the same place for 18 years We've been in compliance with the US Coast Guard We're all US Coast Guard
master captain certified and we don't take that lightly We're also not the only airboat company that runs this lake and not to mention the recreational boers that we come in contact with from time to time as well I truly believe with our new facility and the potential dock that we'll put in place it would cut down
traffic and noise that the family is concerned about and um we do comply with the time frame and the noise ordinance with the county or city already I do hope you all take that into consideration and that this isn't a negative move We love our town We love our community and we would just love to
have the opportunity to have our own space to run out of Thank you guys All right Thank you Yeah Commissioner Wil Simpson had the grand slam mounted in his office We saw it while we were up there in Tallahassee All right Next we have Brian uh
McMerry I pronounced that correct uh name and address for the record sir Uh Brian Mc Merry 316 Eagle Chris Drive Uh first of all I want to say I am a captain for Wild Willies I've uh moved to Florida about 10 years ago after
Hurricane Marita hit Puerto Rico Basically it was me my wife and a newborn baby We had nothing when we came here Um I started working in different companies airboat companies and I would not last not even two three months Every
company that I work for was just a corporate company They really didn't care about us as a person They just treat us as an employee Um thankfully about eight nine years ago I found Wellies and it's been my home ever since
It's given me the opportunity to grow um to expand Now I have two daughters I have a house Um definitely grown a lot thanks to the opportunity that was given to us This company means a lot to me That's why I'm here speaking out today
I'm not sure what would I be without Wild Willies Um for me it's everything just from how they treat us as a family We're not really like a corporate you know everything is um just loving and caring especially about the community
where we at I know that when we if we relocate it's going to be that same environment of you know um extending in hand to the neighbors We've been running for like I said 18 years off that trailer park We have great relationship with all those I believe there's over
200 trailers there Each one of them we have a great relationship with them They're kind of like family to us too I just want people to know that um we do comply just like the other captain said with all the safeties and basically all the protocols of hours and the distance
Last week I had a reunion with the US Coast Guard He came down he watched us um throughout the day and I just wanted to give his opinion on what we're doing and basically everything is on point Our record is clean We've had zero accidents
zero complaints our boats Um I know they mention about the GPS That's a new thing they want to do But before that what we have on our boats are big stickers that says wild willies and the number of the boat Basically what that does that if you see us in an area that is not
authorized you can take a picture video or even it's so you can see it for over 200 yards Um depending on how good your camera is but it's big enough that if you see somebody that's not in your territory you can report it you can basically um you know report it to
anything like hey this boat is in my backyard So I just want you guys to know that we do comply with all safety regulations Um I'm in charge of the Coast Guard inspections and I take that seriously and it's not going to change in this new location I just want a chance for Wild Willies to expand and
just like I got an opportunity to improve and make a life that us expanding will bring in more people new employees and give them the same chance to build a life like I did here I know the neighbors want to conserve their history and the older generation wants
us to respect that which we do but we also want to make a new history for our future generations at Wild Willies All right Thank you All right Thank you sir And would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item all right And we did receive an
email submitted for the record um from Wild Willies Airbook Tours from John Williams residing at 4470 Henry J Avenue in St Cloud And Melissa would you like to come back up and council member sorry Deputy
Mayor Fletcher has a comment Um I just like to say thank you and these are some of the most inspirational airboats Um and um I did have the opportunity to speak with the the applicant um regarding the the GPS um being placed on
the boats Um I think that's a that's a great idea and I believe that uh with a little communication and some some bridge building with the neighbors I think you guys are going to be very successful out there And you know with all the development that we have um having somebody out there on the lake um
telling the story of Ocel heritage I think is going to be absolutely amazing So so thank you for carrying that story along Those are my comments All right Thank you And Melissa can you go back one slide sure Two slides Sorry Three
slide There we go Yes sir And um the the reason why I uh wanted to come back up is I failed to mention that we um received a few more emails in support of it Um they came in kind of last minute so we didn't have a chance to print them but um I would say there were
approximately five or six All right Thank you Any other any other council comments and can I get a motion motion to approve We have a motion to approve item six Are we approving all or we have to do them individual yes we do But
before you file a motion you did have one request from the applicant on it And so when you get Come on up John Yes sir John Adams R.J Wooden Associates 8 Broadway I'm the Adams Okay Um just a point of order We would once again
request that the approval of the concept plan include the revised conditions that we proposed Okay You're saying the ones that that John painted us Yeah that's that's what I was trying to say Conditions You said
it quicker Well I did till you stopped me Mayor motion to approve with the conditions as submitted by the All right We have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Council member Urban I Council
member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And we need a motion on item number seven Motion to approve Motion to approve
Council member Urban Second Second Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5 Z And Mr Mayor
before you take a motion on the next item Mr Fletcher's motion was actually on the annexation issue So that's the conditions need to be on the next item Oh that's only one of them that had the condition Yeah Only only the zoning piece Okay So on number eight we need number eight When you make this motion
that's where the condition as revised by the as requested by the applicant All right Can we have a motion with the conditions as advised by the applicant yes sir It's actually going to be on the mixed use concept plan It was item four The zoning is a straight zoning mixed use request He's right That's correct
Okay So you're going to adopt the eight the way it is and then we'll get to council action four Okay Can I get a motion with the conditions motion to approve Motion to approve Deputy may I'm sorry Council Member Urban Second Uh second from council member Paul Madame clerk please
call the role Deputy mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5 Did we bring council action four into the record mhm Okay Cuz remember the
city manager has to move that up That would be this one Wasn't on my notes like you said they were Ivy So we need a motion on this with those conditions again So you're going to have to remind me the things that you wanted to move and and pull
Where is that at i'm sorry It's Can you give me the page please page eight Page eight Thank you All right Madame Clerk please call the item four for the final I need a motion on it Good Oh just a motion It was
already read into the record Yes No sir Wait a minute I'm sorry Can Can I clarify the concept plan that was the fourth item on on this one with the condition is that
discussion item It's the same thing right but she read it into record earlier Correct So we just need a motion to approve it with condition With the condition Right It's page eight Council action number four says discuss action There's tons of page eights There's a
second set That's why it's not doesn't list all the way through I see now Show me where you're seeing that over here The last item with the page Do we have See I'm not seeing the same thing
you guys have Where was this at that was on page eight of of the agenda Uh right before the first reading and introductions mayor to the uh section uh 11
I think I got duplicates in here That's why maybe the notes the page numbers got got messed up on on the notes Yeah something's I'll let the clerk show 16 different
we go That's why I can't ask them I'm the only one with notes That's why Okay Page 16 not page eight I'm like I don't recognize that I got notes here just All right Can I get a a motion for item
number four on the council action motion to approve with the conditions as submitted by the act Motion to approve Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi
Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5 Thank you All right Thank you'all And madam clerk please call the next item Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-21 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St cloud approximately
plus - 134.32 acres identified as Puff and Road Commercial located east of of Tay West Drive north of Branched Oak Road south of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Bur Oak Boulevard in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter
171.044 Florida statutes Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-22 in ordinance of the city council of the city of St Club Florida assigning a future land use designation of commercial to approximately plus minus 13.32 acres identified as Puffin Road commercial located east of Tay West
Drive north of Branched Oak Road south of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Bur Oak Boulevard providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect serverability
copies on file and effective date Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-23 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Club Florida specifically changing the zoning dis zoning designation of approximately plus
minus 13.32 acres identified as puff and road commercial from AC agricultural development and conser to and conservation county to HB highway business city zoning designation with commercial future land use designation located east of Tay West Drive north of
Branch Oak Road south of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Ver Oak Boulevard providing for entering the designation on the official zoning Map finding of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication servability and effective date Melissa Duncan director of community
development The cases before you tonight or for the annexation comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment for the project known as Puffin Road Commercial This request meets both the statutory requirements and is consistent with our JPA with OciOla County as it is
contiguous and reasonably compact It is adjacent to the uh city limits on the um excuse me oh it's not up there usually throw it in there It's adjacent adjacent to the city limits on the southern
western and northern side Um the existing county commercial sorry the existing county future land use is commercial and the existing county zoning designation is agricultural development and conservation Uh the
applicant is requesting to have a city commercial land use designation and a city highway business zoning classification The request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities
Here is a graphic representation depicting the county commercial land use Here is a graphic repres graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the agriculture and conservation zoning
classification Staff recommended approval on or before January 28th 2025 Planning commission also recommended approval We are requesting that council also approve this request for annexation
u through ordinance number 2025-21 the comprehensive plan amendment through ordinance 2025-22 and the zoning map amendment through ordinance 2025-23 and staff and the applicant are available if you have any questions
All right would the applicant like to speak on this item john Ryan Adams RJ Whitten 8 Broadway Florida 34741 Uh we're in agreement with staff's recommendation and I'd be happy to answer any questions council may have Thank you Anyone from the audience like
to speak on this item council member Gilbert Um yes Thank you Mayor Um this looks like a great idea We really need this um commercial here The only thing I would ask the council to
consider is not uh put a condition in not allowing mini stoages at this specific location because the surrounding area with the amount of mini storage we have now and the commercial value of this land to be used Other than that I just ask pleasure of the council
to consider that please I yield back to you mayor Yes sir I agree with that as well with that condition Uh just my only thought would I would ask the city attorney I'm not sure you can condition a straight zoning request
but I'll leave that up to city provision has we with your agreement The city does have a provision in its code to be able to do that Um I don't know that I can agree to that tonight I know they're certainly trying to market the property for more than that We have done some preliminary concept plans none of which
have been uh storage facilities I don't believe that's their intent uh to do that Uh there's certainly other marketable uses of commercial on this site that would yield more profit for
them Um so we're welcome to hear those ideas with this they can start marketing and start moving forward with those Uh they have worked with the developer to the south to that's py down there to continue puffing road up through this site uh to create a four-way
intersection lighted intersection They've been in touch with 192 so it would be a lighted uh eventually lighted intersection uh that would be more marketable and I I'm in agreement that there's way too many storage units I just can't commit to that tonight Yes
sir Thank you Yeah I I agree with Council Member Gilbert It's kind of getting overkill down there on that side of town We do need some So I think we need some more restaurants some more other commercial options down there And um we have any other discussion from council
All right Can I get a motion deputy Mayor Fletcher Um I would say if if the item I think we should continue it only be Well is that a motion well the thing is is if it gets denied because of the of the condition
then then it has to start over So I wouldn't want it to be stuck Okay So uh C uh Council Member Urban my concern is and and I agree we got way too many storage units on in our city to begin
with My concern is holding up a much needed commercial development in our city I I just don't want to do anything to hold that up tonight as uh it's just it's where I'm at Yes sir Um I guess my only comment on that
is you don't really have any plans for anything So we're really not holding anything up The sooner we have the zoning in place and the annexation with these applications the sooner they can market They have been in contact with commercial developers but until they go
get serious about it that this process needs to happen Okay But they're not really you you can't make that decision on on the uh conditions No I'm not authorized to do that This specific condition I wasn't aware of Um I'm fairly confident it
would be okay with them I just can't commit to that without speaking to our client directly Okay And I'm comfortable not denying it Um but I would like to if nobody else wants to make a motion I'll make a motion to continue it to the May 8th 2025 meeting
And can I get a second second Second from Council Member Gilbert Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And
since you continue the annexation that essentially continues the other items too Yes sir Thank you Public hearing 12 13 and 14 are continued [Music] Madame clerk please read the next item Final public hearing for ordinance
number 2025-27 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St South Florida amending the city code ordinance chapter 42 traffic and vehicles article 1 in general adding section 4211-11 motor motorized mobility devices
prohibited and section 42-12 enforcement providing for conflict severability administrative corrections codification publication and effective date Hi good evening Stephanie Holcamp parks and recreation director for the city Um this ordinance is um amending chapter 42
to add a motorized mobility device um to prohibit them in certain sections and adding section 4 enforcement Um this is being brought to you because there's been safety concerns brought to us by um residents within the city and business owners um related to the operation of these motorized
bicycles scooters those types of on our trails and sidewalks Um they do if they get up to a certain speed um they could cause a cause a safety issue for our residents Uh this ordinance actually is
going to um be for our our trail So uh Lakeshore Park Florida F Trail Um it will also include the uh running RML trail extension when it gets built Um it it's just this ordinance aims to
regulate the use of motorized uh devices on our public uh pedestrian bicycle paths in the city Again it covers Chism Park Horse Trail as well Pegor Nature Park Lake Shore including Ral Road Trail extension Um so it prohibits
um certain motorized mobility devices electric bikes scooters Um I want to make note here um it's going to uh prohibit the electric scooter type that goes over 20 miles an hour So anything under 20 miles an hour would still be
allowed Um there are some exceptions Wheelchairs of course and then certain electric bikes class one class one electric bikes are pedal first and then um the electric kicks in to assist the other classes they have a throttle which
can uh go right to electric without pedaling It will also allow city employees to still use um golf carts or or utility vehicles when they're doing maintenance on the trails picking up trash um doing repairs
on the pathway The enforcement of uh uh the police officers will be able to enforce my code enforcement I believe the park ranger could possibly enforce it Um if you have any additional question about enforcement uh the chief is here and he can answer any of those
questions Staff recommends approval of ordinance 2025-27 and we ask city council to approve ordinance 2025-27 And I hear if you have any additional questions All right Thank you Uh council member
Gilbert Yeah the a question I have and and we get the difference of the the vehicles of course motorized wheelchairs and things such as that I think it's schedule one uh maybe an assistant city manager can help me with that Those are assisted pedal uh vehicles that have
battery assistance Uh as a concerned citizens have spoke to me it's the the 0 to 30 electric scooters that fly by you as you're walking down Lakefront So um there are different classifications Uh I
truly believe as lakefront and some of these pathways gets that gets completed all the way CMI we should consider this as a council not um not only for convenience but for safety reasons only Uh I met Advid Walker of Lakefront and I've seen uh people jumping out of the
way I've seen people wiping out on these scooters Uh I just don't want it us to look at this ordinance when something bad happens I rather do it now So I appreciate you taking it to the council I yield back to you Mayor Yes sir Thank
you Council Member Paul Hi Stephanie Um there will be signage up in the area correct that is correct Anywhere uh any of the pathways will have signage Okay And Council Member F Deputy Mayor Fletcher Um that was my comment I wanted to say thank you to staff um to make
sure that we have an educational um portion to this when it's implemented um and then obviously notification um via social media to the residents So that's all Thank you Yeah I I would I would imagine that if the ordinance passed then we would have like a 30-day grace
period where we could educate people and let them know what's what's happened All right Thank you Stephanie Um and you said there's no gas you're that's this is gonna outlaw any gas vehicles that have been going down
that I know dur I was there with the former council member Dave Ascu during spring fling and a guy on a minibike just flying down doing 30 miles per hour and um that's going to outlaw that right yeah I I that's the purpose of this not
the not the ones on the little electric scooter they're already Yeah What about the kids when you got 15 of them doing wheelies towards you know everybody we have an ordinance on that We need to create one on that All right Can I get a motion on
that please on item 15 Motion to approve Did Did you have the comment sorry council member I'm just going to clarify So this would still allow the one wheels type as long as they don't go 20 miles an hour
or more All right ask you Is that for one rest there's a former council member that he wrote up on me with it All right I think we're all good Right Keep Dave under 30 Right Can we get a a
motion on item 15 did you approve it yes I did Yeah she made a motion already Oh you did okay Motion from Council Member Paul Second Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher
Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5 Z And Madame Clerk please read item 16 into the record Public hearing for resolution number 2025-031R A resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida
granting conditional use for outdoor storage in the highway business HB zoning district on 3.09 09 acres of land known as City Electric Supply located at 1443 Belladana Place as described in the body of this resolution Good evening Melissa Duncan
This request before you tonight is for a conditional use permit for the project known as City Electric Commercial Fence The future land use is commercial and the use of outdoor storage is a conditional use in the highway business zoning district The applicant is
requesting to have an outdoor storage area of 50 feet by 14 feet with an 8 foot tall opaque fence with a 20 foot rolling gate Here is a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the highway
business zoning classification Here's a graphic representation of the land use map depicting the commercial land use This graphic represents sorry this graphic representation depicts the area
of the least space for city electric in the light blue color and the conditional use is for the enclosed outdoor storage area marked in red honor before March 11th 2025 staff recommended approval of resolution
2025-31R with the following conditions I'll Go ahead and read them in for the record No equipment or materials shall be displayed outside of the areas identified on the concept plan Fencing shall be constructed of opaque materials and parts and supplies or materials
Fencing shall be constructed in a way that allows unobstructed access to the utilities access point Planning Commission also recommended approval with the conditions stated by staff and we are requesting that council
approve resolution 2025-031 with the conditions as stated by staff and we are available if you have any questions and I believe the applicant is also present for questions All right thank you And would the applicant like to speak on this item
good evening Uh Micah Ostein on behalf of City Electric Supply 1443 Beladon Place Um we so uh we're just uh we're an electrical supply to uh wholesale company and we you require some outside
storage for pipe and and and whatnot Um so we're just requesting that we be able to fence a small area at the rear of the space that we're uh currently uh leasing and occupying for the storage of of those materials Um and the uh the fencing would be screened um from any
and and uh there would not be any visibility of what's stored behind that Um it's also also helps us secure the those materials at the rear of our building as well as our delivery vehicle Um and uh we've made the concessions um we'll be making the concessions for the utilities to allow access to the sewer
cleanout that falls within that uh original area Um and so I'm free to answer any other other questions you may have Uh Council Member Gilbert Yeah I had u um um opportunity to meet with the applicant and uh toward the facility and
what it is is some of the outdoor uh piping that's there and also their delivery vehicles Uh with the uh amount of of equipment in those vehicles it gives them a secured area to put their delivery vehicle in And I think it's a wise choice to to do that and it's not
obstructing any views of anybody and it backs up to other u warehouses so it's not a non-sightly area and I did have a chance to talk to the applicant and also view the area during your grand opening so so thank you sir and you also have
the approval from the owner of the property uh yes sir that is correct thank you council member Urban my only comment would be maybe we can look into revising our um for industrial type zoning to allow for things like this so that
businesses don't have to go through this whole process It just seems like kind of a tedious process for a business or especially a small business to go through So are you saying you want a workshop on that i mean it's just something for uh to to consider in the future If we had consensus we could just add it
to our list of code changes that you'd like to see Yes please Okay Thank you Thank you All right Anyone from the audience would like to speak on this item and can I get a motion motion to approve Motion to approve from council member
Urban Second Second from Council Member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher Council member Paul I Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 40
Madame clerk please read the next item Final public hearing for resolution number 2025-32 A resolution of the city council of the city of St Cal Florida granting a conditional use for an alcoholic beverage establishment in a highway business zoning HB zoning district on
2.77 acres of land known as ABC Liquors located at 3555 13th Street as described in the body of this resolution Good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development This request before you tonight is for a conditional
use permit for the project known as ABC Liquors The future land use is commercial and the use of alcohol beverage establishment is a conditional use in the highway business zoning district The applicant is proposing
facade and landscape landscaping enhancements um but they are not proposing any structural changes Here is a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the highway business zoning classification and here
is a graphic representation of the land of the uh land use map depicting the commercial land use Here's a representation of the layout of the site and it shows the landscape
enhancements and uh later on you'll receive a presentation from the applicant that will go into more detail Staff is recommending approval um of resolution 2025-032R with the following conditions
and I will read those into the record Um number one no event may occur on the premises that allows or encourages the on-site consumption of alcohol due to the proximity of the school per the land development code as amended from time to
time Number two buffering to the southwest between subject property and residential properties shall remain in perpetuity And number three a mini site plan will be required prior to the issuance of a building permit demonstrating compliance with the land
development code section 4.8.6c Screening of vehicular areas The landscape buffering between the parking spaces to the north along Neptune Road and East Arlo Bronson Memorial Memorial Highway must include hardscape trees
shrubs and ground cover arranged to provide a visual screen transition between the parking area and the street Hardscape elements could be a decorative metal fencing decorative masonry knee wall no taller than 30 in above grade
topped with decorative metal fencing artistic sculpture urban seating or furniture or a combination of these elements Condition number four the approval of the requested conditional use does not constitute the approval of the provided concept plan as a site plan
Changes to the to the site will require approval of a site development plan and any additional approvals required by the land development code Planning commission also recommended approval with the conditions as stated by staff and we are requesting that you approve
resolution number 2025-32R with the conditions as stated by staff And um the applicant and myself are available for questions Yes ma'am Thank you And would the applicant like to speak on this item
and can we get your name and address for the record uh Butch Develin 8989 South Orange Avenue Orlando 32824 Good evening Mr Mayor and council members Uh I'm the chief operating officer for ABC 51 and Spirits I'm accompanied by Ross Galbreth uh who's
our civil engineer uh from KPM Franklin He'll be he's been working closely with staff and uh he's here for all of the technical questions ABC Fine Wine and Spirits we operate 126 stores in Florida The company has been familyowned and operated since 1936 with current
executives in the for within the fourth generation Our corporate headquarters is located in Orlando I want to assure you that we are committed to investing in this site and are thrilled to be returning to the St Cloud community My sister and her family
as well as my daughter and grandsons live here in St Cloud Myself and our executive vice president had the opportunity to meet with Father Derek at uh St Thomas Aquinus Church and he gave us his blessing We forwarded we submitted our email correspondents with
the staff We've identified one of our team members that actually works for our Lake Ponav Vista store which would be the manager here and she is a St Cloud resident as well I'd like to show you some of the pictures of uh what the re renovation plan will be Oh is it here
okay I'm sorry Okay Uh I think you all know the property To the left was CVS before they closed and then it became the Halloween store Never visit a Halloween store before but I was impressed Um then the photo you see on your left
is a picture of the site taken three nights ago Um and this is what we would like to take it to Here's our renovation plan stonework paint decorative awnings new landscape requirement a fence requirement and the
fence itself will go if you can see in the bottom leftand corner it'll go what we own on 192 and then it will come up Neptune Road as required by staff The rear of the property there was some concern There is going to be a 66 foot
uh 6ft wall uh installed Uh this is a uh a CVS that we purchased in Winter Garden and you can see how it you know we transitioned this property here because the city of Winter Garden was very concerned that we were just going to come along and put a coat of
paint on it and it was still going to look like a CVS This is what happens when you uh enter our new location This is what the St Cloud location would look like And this is you know currently what the uh building looked like prior to uh
the Halloween store taking over So I'm here to answer any questions uh for you if you'd like And uh you know thank you Mr Mayor and council members We kindly ask your approval on this resolution with an allowance of
consumption uh the allowance for consumption on site section 4.1 Thank you Yes sir Thank you And from the audience we have Mark Wells Good evening Can we get your name and
address for Mark Wells 71813 Street St Cloud Levy Liquor Also Mr Gilbert thank you for spending your birthday with us Really appreciate you tonight I know I'm standing between you and some candles so I'll try to keep it brief There's a lot of candles So
also uh madam madam clerk I want to tell you if if this doesn't ever work out for you you are doing the disclaimer voiceovers from here on out It's one of the best readers I've ever met Incredible I know I don't have much time so I do and I didn't get this uh until
just recently I'm a huge advocate for this town as you probably know Um we've met in the past Um I want to ask the question and it may not be the appropriate time is where are we in this process number one when I read the document that was presented here in the
agenda it says that this uh grant with you know granting them this will allow for the focus on continuity and sustainability of core public services I'd like to kind of know what are those core public services that aren't currently being served that need an ABC liquor Um it becomes an employer choice
I I grant that how many employees that they can use or a very big store But what is the cutting edge technology also not being served i did a core I did a a quick straw poll of the area and within two miles of that facility um there are
eight additional liquor stores um when I also do something you all use Placer AI Um so I went on Placer AI and did some just some quick math on that and realized that the Okoi store and does
about 463 unique visits every single you know in the daily operation where our whole collective eight does like 600 What kind of impact is it going to have on small business are we considering that um and if you're having that many traffic people coming through that
corner what does that look like i'm concerned about those types of things as well Um and I'm just in general you know asking the question of how we got from here to there and why we think we need an ABC liquor store in the town That's where I'm at
Yes sir Thank you Thank you And would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item sir are we getting up and your name and address for the record sir so my name is Amit Patel It is
400213th Street St Cloud I have the same cross street my locations uh from the church I since in 2012 I bought this property and COVID time we covid
defected our family and employees So we decided to close whole locations and then last year we suddenly think about we renovate and we just reopen So that time my beer license and
everything is expired and I went in city zoning department they take my application 3 month and after they call me we deny your application and I came to city and they
explain me we not approve all your applications because of the church and Cool So now my point coming the liquor stores coming over there the law wise is 750 ft needed and
above and now there's building to church 620 So how and that time also I explain overall that side the ghetto restaurant also they
serve liquor whiskey they also have the license they 395 ft from church LD also sell the beer and wine they also 370 ft from church and
pool sport bar inside the LD complex that also 496 ft and last year also issue Tuana flat beer license open beer container that
also six 687 ft and now ABC liquor coming over there and now we coming from that public hearing and they reject to my
application So I need like a way how like fair with people some big people come and they got it small people doesn't got it we small people I that day cry here
in city I throw out 75,000 inventory and they doesn't have single feeling for us I told three four times can you help me Any way I can got it
license the single word no I'm asking in writing they doesn't want to writing but I stand over there you keep finishing sir and then they give me email and I
have the email copy for that also if you want lookout you give it to the clerk please is that something that we We can review now Is that related to this piece or is that related to his parcel yeah Okay This is on your parcel Okay For his
So what is the complaint on this so my complaint we don't need uh ABC liquor in our town That is my answer Thank you sir Uh were you denied on a council meeting is that what your concern is yes sir
We don't need uh because like u that is unfair to us also and they kill our businesses also because we also sell overall over there Okay Thank you Thank you
And so Mr Mayor the issue that I did hear him talk about was the 750 foot restriction related to churches and schools This application is for a package store that's that is exempted under the city's code from that 750 distance that's in your code So I don't
know what application he's talking about We certainly can look into it and figure that out But as as it relates to the item that's in front of you that provision of the code does not apply to this particular item Okay Thank you Yes sir Thank you
Okay Yes sir Thank you Yep Um please uh we'll look into it and we'll speak with staff and they can reach out to you if you can go ahead and share your contact information I'll give you my business card if you'd like to we can call me We can look in to your issue
Are there any other members in the audience that would like to speak on this item council member Urban Um yeah I'm not familiar with the the gentleman that was was just speaking with his case I don't think I was on the council when that happened or if I was
not familiar with it Frankly I think the the distance rule from schools and churches unless that's a state rule or something Frankly I think that's an antiquated ordinance that should be looked at I love churches I love schools but I think it's something that we should probably look at as a city to if
it's still relevant or not Um secondly um to Mark who spoke you know I I I think as a growing city as a city of 70 almost 80,000 residents probably I think we're a city that can
support um multiple businesses of the same category And I I frankly also believe in the free market I think that um government should get out of the way and and let the free market um operate And so that's sort of where my position
is Okay Any other council input council member Gilbert Yeah The only u thing I would like the council to think about is that um the stipulation of not being able to test um the um the
beverages There's new companies that come in make their promotional ads Uh they're at at just about every store It's not a place of consuming It's a place of taste testing for marketable items Um so I'd have to think you know
the business models and not just that store but other stores have that same business model where they'll bring an outside contractor in or an outside vendor Let me re rephrase that And that vendor would be servicing their sports drinks or their alcohol drinks or their
beer drinks and they'd be giving small kind of like u I'm Catholic communion uh cups I didn't mean to say that but the the smaller cups of that So I I don't know if if that's really drinking on a
premise and but that would allow other vendors of course local vendors and we do have local vendors here that sell spirits and wines and things like that they would be able to go in there and show their wares and say they're from the Hulu County area So I just want council consider that if we're
considering to allow this to happen to take that stipulation out of it I yield back to you M I would be in support of that as well All right Thank you Uh yeah absolutely Uh I believe that all those stores they offer wine
tastings or samplings or to product samples That's correct You can come up to the podium please sir They offer small samplings It It's not where you can come in and get a cocktail anymore you know because our license does it prohibits us because we have a
PS license not a consumption on premise So you can't have a full cocktail or walk around with the beer Yes sir Um city attorney is there a way to uh work that language that could allow that well I think if you re the
way we interpret the code the package store definition that leads us to where we are today is essentially says for a use that is primarily used as a package store So as in my view interpreting that
as long as they're not doing uh basically it really points at the sale of beverages for on-site consumption if they're doing wine tastings and they're not they don't typically I don't think they sell wine tastings but if they're and they're not doing that So I don't I think it would be consistent with the
code So I think Mr Gilbert mentioned it and council member Urban also agreed If you simply remove the condition that staff has put in there I think you're fine Thank you Deputy Mayor Fletcher Um I just want to say that um you know when I
first looked at this I was like "All right small business You know we're a town built on small business Most economies are um and then you also have the the you know the free market like like you're saying So I'm torn You know we we have Mark over here who invested a
lot of money in a in a property Um redid the building and has a unique um operation and they do give back with the the whiskey festival and things of that nature Um but also understand the free
market you know so we just because you did a smaller operation this is a bigger operation Um you know we can't I don't feel you know block it What I would you know kindly ask and I know this is a crazy thing to ask is you know you know St Cloud is a small town and I just ask
that you know we work together um in a unified effort to provide uh products and services Um so I'd like I'd like to offer one more comment please You said offer give back Uh we're currently uh I sit on the board
as well as our executive vice president for United Cable Pauly and we're building a $35,000 square foot building on Vine Street for a 500 children with disabilities and we are in a $19 million campaign right now Our company we're
fortunate that we've been able to help build eight schools for these children So we're super excited about that new facility in Oyola Yes sir Um as I understand it the owner of ABC actually owns some property near Harmony Correct Yes sir Possibly in the
JPA Maybe not Maybe just outside of it but uh I think he's in St Cloud I'm not sure Yeah It's not quite in the city limits where Hickory Tree comes out right there Yeah Um my only concern uh and I spoke with Adriana of course earlier
I have no problem with with the the liquor store or wine spirit store Um it was more of the optics of coming off of Neptune Road onto 192 kind of our gateway into our city I care about the presentation of what that's going to look like At first I you know speaking
with the city manager and the city attorney I said you know is there any way we not have signage on that side of the building but I do understand it's important to advertise to to the maximum Um but I'd ask if maybe we in doing so maybe include a mural on that side of
the building to kind of give a like a welcome to St Cloud St Cloud or Soldier 6 something that kind of ties into the community That's easy And we can work with we can work with staff on that as long as the uh the welcome to St Cloud doesn't count as our signage
So you need another exemption Is it no I'm not looking for I just you know but we like work with you on that Yeah The way that building is situated with that road I mean you're coming straight into the side of the building and it's just it would look really good with the a welcoming mural on there We'll work with
Adriana and and staff for for your input and we'll work together on that That's easy We have a mural ordinance that that we could work with within as long as he doesn't put anything on the mural that advertises alcohol No Uh-uh No Very cool And I know Mr Wells They've also done a
mural on their building that that's a beautiful mural I think somebody's done a beautiful one with a gator with wings That's Yep That's awesome All right Thank you very much Thank you very much All right Any other count uh we have Deputy Mayor Fletcher Um I actually it's
it's for you Mayor Um I think that was a we worked um hard on a uh public arts ordinance a while back and uh I think asking for the addition of the mural is a fantastic idea So I just want to say thank you for that Very cool Yeah I
thought good Thank you All right Any other council input so this is I'm sorry This is a conditional use I don't necessarily think you have to do it but you could require the the mural as a condition on the west side of the building if that's what you want to do
Subject subject to the city's ordinance for murals I would like to add that to a as a condition Is that okay and can we get a motion for this item so if I could clarify so you'd be adding the mural the mural condition and then
you would be removing the condition that says no events may occur on the premises that allow or encourages the on-site consumption of alcohol Yes sir So that would be to replace it So that would be your motion if you approve the CP And it it would still allow the signage
on that building that what you would typically put I think right they still would be able to whatever the signage is that the code allows they'd be able to do that I'd be okay with that All right I'd like to go ahead and make a motion with those conditions as stated by a city or uh our city
attorney And can I get a second second Second from Council Member Urban Madame Clerk please call the RO Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5
All right Can we go ahead and take a five minute recess now and we'll come back Do we have getting back started here All right Okay Just a read
All right Madame clerk will you please call the uh read the next item resolution number 2025-54R A resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida approving development agreement between WMG Acquisitions LLC and the city of St Cloud related to development standards for the mixeduse urban center
development located west of the Florida Turnpike north of Clay Road and east of Silverthorn Trail authorizing the city manager to execute the agreement and providing an effective date I'm sorry did we read both the uh both items please yes
Discussion and possible action regarding approval of the preliminary subdivision plan amendment for the county approved PS21-00007 creating an urban center for approximately plus minus 132.09 acres of land known as Heritage Cross Prairie generally located west of the Florida
Turnpike north of Clayway Road and east of Silverthorn Trail Good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development Um prior to this meeting um we met with the applicants and we um came to resolution on um
several of the items So I will just breeze through the presentation or if you want me to slow down and talk about anything specifically then just let me know Um this case before you tonight is for Heritage Urban Center at Cross Prairie Development I'm sorry at Cross
Prairie Development Agreement and preliminary subdivision plan Uh the Edgewater Urban Center was annexed in July of 2021 The applicant is requesting to enter into a development agreement to modify the development standards on the proposed preliminary
subdivision plan amendment And the applicant is concurrently requesting approval of a preliminary subdivision plan amendment to the county's approved PS21-00007 for the urban center on approximately 132 acres The future land
use is mixed use and the zoning is also mixed use Um the place type that they are is the urban center and um in the east of Lake Toho Ho element it requires that urban centers are designed with the structure of blocks streets public
spaces and buildings to evolve over time into a form resembling a traditional downtown and requiring a minimum mix of 15% residential 55% commercial office and 10% public park civic space Um this
was just a graphic representation of um the roadway type Um the modifications that were captured in the development agreement is to allow administrative modifications to the plan up to 20% to modify the um
streets um in the land development code uh phasing timing of improvements changing uh the form of the center uh modifying the LDC street require street tree requirements uh reducing the building height modifying the building
sizes uh minimum requirement uh sorry maximum requirement modifying the LDC build to line Um and then uh we were just going to talk a little bit about the roadway classifications They were there were A and B streets on the A
streets They were allowed to have the front facade of the buildings a Parker Plaza uh street screens uh up to 30 in for a knee knee wall And then on the the B street frontages they were allowed to have front facades of the building parks
plazas street screens with the 30-inch knee wall landscaping areas screening the vehicular areas and two-way drive aisles And um we agreed that we would treat um urban the urban center main street cross prairie parkway street two
and street three as a streets and u nulti road and street 4 as b streets Here's just a layout of the street network Uh now on to the preliminary subdivision plan Um they are modifying
the development program They're modifying the urban center form Um this just shows what was approved in the county versus what is approved in the city Um let's see This one was um Oh I think that's a
a duplicate but basically that's just um talking about the building form and and height of the buildings again And then we were going to show what we thought were good examples of uh developments that had safe pedestrian environments with public gathering spaces and defined
build lines with street frontages And then um we've got some examples of what um what this type of form that will uh create a walkable development And so I'll just skip through those
Okay here is um a screenshot of the preliminary subdivision plan that was approved in Oyola County Here is a screenshot of the proposed amendment This was one of the um graphics that showed the scale of the
proposed amendment and this is the proposed target buildout of the development Okay staff is recommending approval of resolution number 2025-05R and the PSP the preliminary
subdivision plan amendment with the following conditions Um we are um changing the first uh condition of approval slightly Um it will read alternative street crosssections shall be generally
consistent with dimensional requirements in LDC tables 3.10 10.3 A through E or as approved by the city manager or designate And the second um condition will will read um the
applicant is to submit an updated copy of the amended preliminary subdivision plans demonstrating that the updated development standards in the development agreement um including the trail going completely around the large stormwater
pond So that one's modified slightly as well to to include the trail going completely around the storm water pond And then we have the condition that the triparty agreement must be in place prior to any development approval in
heritage mixeduse urban center Uh the required improvements and project contributions will be adjusted in the triparty agreement to match the approved traffic impact analysis and confirmed actual costs Um again staff recommends approval of
the development agreement and the preliminary subdivision plan amendment with the conditions as stated by staff And uh we are requesting that council also approve resolution number 2025-054R and approve the preliminary
subdivision plan amendment with the conditions as presented by staff and we are available for any questions and the applicant is also available for questions A point of clarification Sorry Yeah hold on one second Can you go back two slides please two slides And city manager you go ahead and I I just wanted
to point out the city council received a printed copy of the development agreement Anything shown in yellow was language that we agreed upon earlier today There's a few things that Melissa didn't mention like where it says as as shown in exhibit B Um there's there's
only a few and I think um it's on page one um page seven Yeah Um page eight Oh one more slide It wasn't on there I think it was a
comment you made about the about around the storm water sidewalk Oh yes Yes Um one of the conditions of approval is that the um trail goes around the whole storm water pond the
the large one at the southern um area of this plant Okay Yeah I believe I spoke about that during our our meeting with the applicant Thank you city manager You're good I I was turning it off I just I just wanted to clarify So we would our recommendation is um the
developers agreement as modified in the printout that you have and the conditions that Melissa stated And would the applicant like to speak on this item good evening Joe Thacker 17 South Orlando Avenue CMI
Um we appreciate the work that has been done on this and feel like we've got the conditions where they need to be tonight Um I think there is one more that we want to add Reading provide a consolidated branding
package and placemaking plan including wavefinding prior to um a subdivision construction plan or site development plan approval We're fine with that So we would offer that as well I do want to um
also point out that we will um be making the crosswalks um safe as safe as we can in providing um if where there's traffic signals uh buttons that you can press We will have the um where there's no
signalization we will have assistance called a hawk I don't know what that means but to help um get people across I'm guessing it was the city manager that mentioned it was council member Paul So I want to make sure I have to ask her all the time What name what is that
sorry So we want to make sure uh we will uh make sure that the pedestrian we want this as walkable and vibrant and have people the pedestrian friendly as possible So I wanted to make sure that went on the record too Um if you would
like a presentation we have a lot of people here that would be happy to give you a presentation We did leave one at your um seat so you can see the architectural renderings Um we're excited about this project and we'll answer any questions that you may have
Yes ma'am Thank you Uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher Um I just want to say thank you and then again um I did bring up a last minute um add-on condition Um so I just wanted to apologize for the for for the last minute there I know that staff and the developer and and and council has worked very diligently to get this
across the finish line and you're up against a deadline Um we appreciate the fact that you are moving that up and aligning the project with the turnpike interchange as well as the development of Cross Prairie Parkway which will help with transportation while also serving um our community through a large
commercial buildout um and commercial tax base Um council one of the conditions that I wanted to add was what she mentioned was ensuring that the entire development has theming and placemaking So when you're in the development you know you're in that development and it's not different in in
different pieces You'll know um so it won't look like hopefully you know not like the loop or all these other um mass developments It'll have its own character to it throughout the entire development So that was the intent of adding um the condition So again kudos
to staff and thank you to the office I want to ask a question Is that included in the new developer agreement or is that the or the condition it is not We just we just got it Um so we will add it as a condition of approval
to tonight Yes ma'am Thank you Okay Um before we take uh further council comment um are there is there anyone in the audience like to speak on this item no All right Thank you Uh Council Member Paul want to say thank you to Miss Joe Thacker for um speaking that publicly
and addressing my concern Thank you Council Member Urban Yeah I thought that was a great idea Deputy Mayor Fletcher about the placemaking there and uh just thank you to staff and everybody who worked together to uh make this possible I'm excited uh to move this forward in
our city Okay And yes I I do want to thank um the applicant applicants representatives for for meeting with me uh few months back a few times now and the phone calls I do appreciate that The more information uh the easier it is to make the decision
you know further down the road here So thank you for including us all in early on with with the information So I'm excited I think this is great This is what we're looking for and hopefully we get some jobs in here and um and some more restaurants You know I know everybody's saying we want restaurants
we need hotels and and I think this kind of accomplishes and and kills a lot of birds with one stone So thank you'all for bringing this forward And with that can I get a motion on this motion to approve um with the conditions as stated both by staff and the
applicant and uh the submitted developers agreement um from staff All right we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher as read into the record Can we get a second second Second from de uh council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Council member Urban Hi
Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5-0 Next item And next item We need a motion for item number two Motion for approval
Um same conditions with the same conditions as a previous item Second We have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher with the conditions as item number one Second from uh Council Member Paul Madame Clerk please call the RO
Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Thank you very much and happy birthday Thank you guys And item number three was pulled
First readings Okay All right Now we have first readings and introduction The next items on the agenda are ordinances before the council for the first reading and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for a final hearing The council will not take final action on
the item tonight Full presentations and public input on the ordinances will occur at the final hearing at which the council will consider final action Madame clerk please read item number one First reading an introduction for ordinance number 25-16 and ordinance of the city council of the city of St
Oello County Florida amending chapter 48 waterways of the code of the of ordinances and establishing article 2 creation section 48-4 definitions creating section 48-5 requirements for operating personal watercrafts Section 48-6 regulations of watercraft rental
business Section 48-7 permits of watercraft rentals businesses Section 48-8 enforcement and providing for conflict severability cection codification administrative corrections of scriveners errors publications and effective date
And can I get a motion on item number one motion to approve Motion to approve Council member Urban Second Second Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion
carries 5 Madame clerk please read item number two First reading an introduction for ordinance number 25 2025-17 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St South California amending chapter 3030 parks and recreation article 2 special events section 30-9 application for
permit by requiring requiring council approval for the use of fireworks redefining safety and security plans to include a road and parking closure plans of and requirements if applicable adding solid waste provisions requiring the event layout plans establishing a cancellation of authority and
establishing an event decisions and appeal process of the code of ordinances of the city of St cloud and providing an effective date All right Can we get a motion on that item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please
call the role Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Item clerk please call item number three First reading an introduction for ordinance number
2025-28 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St Cloud approximately plus - 2,38.694 60 94 acres identified as encumbrance annexations zone 1 2 and four located south of Neptune Road and west of Cross
Prairie Parkway Hickory Tree Road and Noly Road east of the Turnpike between Clay Road and CMI Park Road within the joint planning area interlocal agreement JPA in accordance with voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes
And can we get a motion on that item motion Second Motion approved Council member Gilbert Second Council member Urban Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi Council member Paul hi Mayor Robertson I
Motion carries 5-0 And Madame Clerk please call item number four First reading and introduction of ordinance number 2025-04 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St cloud approximately plus - 1,378 acres identified as
Edgewater West located east of Cherokee Road north of CM Park Road south of Clay Road in accordance with the voluntary annexations of provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes Can we get a motion on that motion to
approve Second Uh we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second from Council Member Gilbert Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Mayor Robertson Hi Motion carries 5-0
And clerk please read the next item First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-05 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation of mixed use to approximately plus - 1,378 acres identified as Edgewater West located east of Cherokee Road and
northwest of CM Park Road south of Clay Road Providing for amending of the official pre-ature land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file an effective date And can we get a motion
motion to approve Motion from council member uh Paul Second Second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Mayor
Robertson I Motion carries 4 Z And Madame Clerk please call uh read item number six First reading an introduction for ordinance number 2025-06 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida is
specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 1,378 acres identified as Edgewater West from MXD mixeduse county zoning district to mix mixeduse city zoning designation with a mixeduse future land use designation located east of Cherokee
Road northwest of CM Park Road south of Clay Road providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map and following of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication bill and effective date Motion Second We have a motion from Council Member Gilbert Second from Council Member Paul Madame Clerk please
call the RO Council member Paul I Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 40 And Madame Clerk please read item number seven
First reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025-43 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St Cloud approximately 26 28.6 acres identified as 192 and Nova Road located north of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Nova Road within the
joint planning area interlocal agreement JPA in accordance with voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes and can we get a motion on that item motion to approve Motion to approve Council member Paul
Second Second Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame Clerk please call the RO Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 You doing okay over there Madam Clerk
Will you take a breather it's We got about seven or eight more of them at least 10 We got ready All right Uh madam clerk please read item number eight First reading introduction for ordinance summer number 2025-44 an ordinance of the city council of city of St Cloud Florida signing a
future land use designation of commercial to approximately plus - 28.6 Six acres identified as Nova and 192 located north of East Lab Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Nova Road providing for amending of the official official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability
effects severabilities copies on file and effective date And can we get a motion on that item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member
Irvin I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Madame Clerk please read item number eight Number nine Right Oh I'm sorry Nope Nine You're right Okay I thought I said nine I said eight First reading and introduction for ordinance number
2025-45 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St called Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 28.6 6 acres identified as Nova 192 from
CG commercial general to CR commercial residential and PD plan development county to PUD plan unit development city zoning designation with commercial future land use land use map designation generally located north of east Bronson Memorial Highway west of Nova Road
providing for entering the designation of official zoning map filing the planning recommendations proof of publication serability and effective date and can we get a motion on that item to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul
Madame Clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Madame Clerk please read item number 10 First reading An introduction for ordinance number
2025-37 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St Cloud approximately plus - 26.38 acres identified as Marlo Apartments on no at Nova Road located south of East Earl Ransson Memorial Highway west of Nova Road east of Mosivine Avenue in accordance with the
voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes And can we get a motion motion Motion to approve Council member Gilbert Second Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame Clerk please call the role Council
member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 And I Madame Clerk please read item number 11 First reading and introduction for
ordinance number 2025-38 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St Cloud approximately plus - 2 acres identified as Permo School of St cloud located east of South Marusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road south of Ditson Drive west of Hackne Road in accordance
with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes And can we get a motion motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second Council member Paul Madame Clerk please call the role
Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Mayor Robertson I motion carries 5-0 Madame clerk please read item number uh 12 into the record First reading introduction for ordinance number
2025-39 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation of commercial to approximately plus minus two acre two acres identified as Primrose School at St Cloud located east of South Narusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road and south of Ditson Drive
and west of Hackne Road Providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan founding on the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect servabilities copies on file and effective date Can we get a motion on this item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor
Fletcher Second Second Council member Urban Madam Clerk please call the role Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul I Council member Urban I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 50-0 Madame Clerk please read item number 13
into the record First reading an introduction for ordinance number 2025-40 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment for the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation to approximately plus minus 2 acres identified as Primrose School St
followed from USM urban settlement manufactured product county to HB highway business zoning designation with a commercial commercial future land use designation generally located east of South Marusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road south of Dson Drive and west of
Hackne Hackne Road providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication severability and effective date Uh I'd like to make a comment on this one really quick Uh it's on the the last
item as well but let's keep in mind when this comes up for approval this is a a daycare primrose schools And also that's going to be on that next agenda is the cell phone tower either two or three properties away from a daycare So just
wanted to put that in um in y'all's minds let you know that And can we get a motion on this item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher Second Second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the role Deputy
Mayor Fletcher Hi Council member Paul Hi Council member Urban I Council member Gilbert Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Madame clerk please read item number 14 into the record First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-41 An ordinance of the city council
of the city of St Cloud Florida signing a future land use designation medium density residential to approximately plus - 1.64 64 acres identified as Palm properties located east of Nusi Road north of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway south of Lilian Lee Road and west of Puffin Road providing for amend
amending of the future official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effects servability copies on file and effective date and can we get a motion on that item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher
Second Second Council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Council member Paul I Council member Urban Hi Council member Gilbert Hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher Hi Mayor Robertson I Motion carries 5-0 Last one Madame clerk please read item
number 15 First reading Introduction for ordinance number 2025-42 An ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St Cloud Florida Specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 1.64 64 acres identified as pawn properties
from AC agricultural to R2 single family dwelling zoning designation with a medium density res residential future land use designation located east of Narusi Road north of East Earlo Memorial East Earlo Bronson Memorial Highway south of Lilingly Road and west of Puffin Road providing for amending of the official future land use map of the
comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file and effective date and can we get a motion on that item motion to approve Motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher second by Council Member Urban Madame Clerk please
call the role Council member Irvin I Council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi Council member Paul I Mayor Robertson hi Motion carries 5-0 Good job All right city attorney do you have anything you'd like to discuss one quick
item It's that time of the year again where you need to do your ethics seminar presentation that the four hours that the state legislature requires you to have annually Uh we were hoping we could do the presentation on May 15th your
workshop It's four hours I don't know if there's anything else on that agenda at this point Is there uh is there any way we can do it virtually uh is there there's a training session virtually that we did on our own did that happen or does this have to be as a group well
it doesn't it there's there's several options to be able to be able to do this you you do not we have historically we have done the presentation of the council as a small group The League of Cities does make available seminars and stuff that you can you can do that Um in
the past we've sort of alternated years We do it live and then you record it We'd record it and then the following year you just listen to the recording from the prior year Um we thought this year since we had the two council members who hadn't been through the training before it might be good to do
it live Um it's up to the council but I personally think the ability to have it in a smaller group discussion and focus more on St Cloud uh as opposed to what the league does The league does theirs from a more of a statewide perspective and gives uh it actually works out
better Uh so that's why we're recommending this but it's entirely up to the council about how you want to do it Would it be possible to zoom in for for that four hours i just uh business calls that day and I don't want to Well we can pick another day I don't want to slow them down though Well the only
issue you have to have it done so that you can do your um your form one filing by July 1st So we have to have it in place be has to be done before July 1st We can break it into two We've done that two hours I would highly recommend it It's it's it's it's a hard day for four
straight hours Sorry Dan As much as I love Dan I'll be sorry I'm the one doing the talking Don't they just sit there and drink coffee lots of it to stay awake Um we can take a break and come right back in for We can do I can It's up to you I just We want to make it as
right now We We can start right now Um I did some of it to the Historic Preservation Board the other night So um we can we can do that I I just don't want to stall the council That happens to be We can do it two hours whatever whatever date If you want to pick another date that's fine Uh you know
whatever you want to do one So we just need to coordinate it I can have Kelly work with each of you I'm just out of the state during those just few days the 12th So let's pick another date Well I I think you're better off trying to get it scheduled
before the end of May in case there's any issues because you don't want to be up against it You want to make sure you get your form one file well before July 1st is we got seventh special counsel eighth council Yeah And then I I believe on the 9th and then back on the 17th we
we potentially could do it April 24th we have a CRA meeting and we were available Oh that's right We will I think the easiest thing is we'll we'll we'll have Kelly work with each of your schedules We'll find we'll find some some days Okay Right That's all I have Mayor thank
you Thank you Uh city manager I have a few things and Tisha left but I'm going to tell the planning department to listen to um what I just wanted to point out to the city council Um our planning
department and the amount of work and the things that they have been working on I just want to you know point out a few of them because as you know that they're constantly trying so hard to bring good quality projects Our agendas are full In addition to the fact that
they're working on updating the comprehensive plan they're working on adding these annexations that were never part of their work plan for this year Um they cleaned up code enforcement They're continuing to make code enforcement even better They helped with that
intergovernmental agenda and all the backup for it And we've had multiple workshops that somehow always involve planning Everything in the city involves planning They're short staffed you know we've we have several vacant positions We have outsourced um as much as we can
Um looking for more people to come help us on the out on the outsourcing but I just wanted to give them some kudos and and let you know just make sure that council realizes all the stuff that they're working on right now Um because I I'm very proud of them because um they're they're doing a lot I'm also
very proud that I think the city clerk should become an auctioneer She's she's on her this get fired She's on her way because she speaks faster because she's going to be an auctioneer Um I wanted to share that the citizens academy graduated 24 students last week
Um you know several years ago we couldn't get applicants for the citizens academy but you know the communications department has really worked with all the departments to make it such a good experience Now we have to turn people away when we do it And you know that has become the pipeline into applications
for all of our citizen advisory committees that you guys have now really had some fun having to pick people for them where before we we couldn't get enough applicants So I just I just wanted to um recognize we had 24 graduate Uh city staff we just launched
um an a city leadership development program So there's going to be 20 participants each from each of the departments the bigger departments Some departments can't send 20 but um 20 participants each from the bigger departments Um and then I I need to get
some clarification on something previously discussed with other council members um that that we were going to make some changes beginning this year which would have gone into effect July 1st And so I need to get clarification if the council is
going to still be okay with this Um we were going to stop broadcasting on Spectrum channel $499 which would save the city $800 a month Um and we would start broadcasting the city council meetings live on YouTube and on the city
website which we already started that early Um I will say that when we have issues broadcasting on Spectrum there's only one person who ever calls and tells us We They can't tell us what our viewership is We don't think we have much YouTube is free to anybody with the
internet Spectrum you have to pay for it And you you know nowadays um so many people don't even pay for channel 4.99 um because that's even like above you know a lot They have so many packages now where you sometimes only just pay for 10 channels So um I just wanted to
confirm that the board is good with us moving forward with this All right I see three Okay Four Okay Thank you Um that's it Thank you All right Thank you city manager Council member Paul Well I want
to say um first off kindness goes a long way So I want to say thank you to Chief Miller and Chief Gerky for sending a special birthday request to my nephew He is special needs So he sent repres they both sent representation and when they
did come out he was telling Jeremiah was telling everybody um about the fire truck and the police truck So thank you so much You made his day That's all I have Council member Urban
Um I I want to echo the city manager's comments on the planning staff They've been uh they we're a rapidly growing city and and uh it's just keeping the tracks in front of the train right now It's crazy So uh thank you to everybody on pling staff for doing that And thank
you to Council Member Gilbert for inviting us to his birthday party tonight My grandchildren are in the lobby waiting for me The one thing I want to get up bring up is uh and I don't because I don't get a chance to talk to the the council very
often Um and I've vented to the city manager about this but I want to vent to you guys I'm so sick and tired of the hotel being constantly under construction If there's anything we could do to ratchet up the pressure on them and get them to to do something or
get it completed I don't know what options we have but it's just so frustrating I walked by and there was noise going on in there I there was I don't know That's two raccoons No Um I I can I I have an email from the building official because I I heard
something going on also Um I I'll look it up and I can forward that email to you to let you know what they were doing but it wasn't work that's going to help extend the permit that that which I believe expires in June And after that we can start code enforcement
action Okay So we're we're almost at at June right that's all All right Thank you Uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I had a couple things Um one I'd like to ask the uh the council if they would be okay allowing Theater in the Cloud um to give
a presentation of their organization um at the May city council meeting if if that would be all right to kind of give an overview of their program and the arts and stuff that they offer here in the city I mean it'd kind of fall in with the arts people already coming in for that
Yeah I just need consensus We have the St Cloud High School arts Oh department So it kind of be And there's going to be prior to that I'm going to be hosting them in the the bridge for a Oh perfect an art show Awesome That's great I think
I think there was consensus there Yeah Um the second thing that I had is um we're in the process of opening um another company here in in the city and I had the wonderful opportunity to speak to both code enforcement and we went through our fire inspection and I just
wanted to say that the the the changes that we have asked for over the period of time at least since I've sat on council was you could definitely tell the difference on on how our staff approaches um um the public Um they were
very helpful They were very well prepared and they even um when a couple things are wrong they said that we're here to help you and walk you through these these processes and get you across the finish line We hope that you're successful Um so kudos to code
enforcement and the fire department for for implementing um the items that we've sent down the chain So I appreciate that That's all I have And council member Gilbert Well thank you for that proclamation or the birthday song I don't know what you're
pulling on my leg there but I was like stay here for another proclamation But uh these are great moments to share with these folks because we all prepare differently to get to the same results
And you not being able to communicate is through the sunshine laws kind of hinders us a little bit But I just like to thank this council for working so we get through these things and we we have five different well four different wonderful minds not mine but that
actually really care about the city So you can see that today's meetings and I appreciate the work the hard work council and staff puts into this So that's it And and again thanks uh for singing happy birthday and uh it's it's
really cool to be older All right Um yeah I'd like to first off start by saying I enjoyed the the time we spent together in Tallahassee I think we we got some some uh stuff done up there Got some great legislators And um I also want to point out I don't think we said it earlier it's Kelly Bravant's
birthday as well So we kind of give her a shout out out there if she sees this Um obviously it's been a this past month's been a little rough between council and uh and and some staff but
you know I think we can work through it Some of the things that that kind of concern me um you know we've got budget coming up and I know we've kind of pushed that closer uh because I believe somebody's going to be going on vacation Is that correct um so what is what are
the dates on uh with the budget workshop i'm not sure off the top of my head Was it July i thought it was June 14th was it 14th June 14th I thought Yeah July 14th I'm sorry Yeah We we wanted to make sure that once we have it prepared um
that you would have the opportunity to to get it in advance Um but also um because we do have two brand new board members we wanted to push it forward instead of pushing it back so that if we get sent back to the drawing board we would have time to rebalance or or do
whatever we needed to do Okay Yeah And my concern with that is um this is my first year doing this and obviously a lot of the friction comes from you may not always know what I'm looking for or what to tell me you know it it's kind of
a so when things feel like they're being sprung upon me that that causes frustration and I think we all feel that when when things like that happen Um so I would like to preempt that and kind of help that process And I know typically
um we Dan knows and and you know we've had some some uh times in the past where there's been investigations for and this person that person whatever use in section 3.11 Um but I feel that we need to use that to go through a have a
thorough investigation of all departments That's not a bad thing It's for for the good I want to know it from the top down bottom up Uh I think it will help me in the budget process because I'm not right now I'm I'm I'm very uneasy on a lot of issues here and
I really need a thorough I I need all of the documents I need to really study this entire city and every department So and I know I'm not going to do that overnight And that's where we keep we push the budget time back I think um that'll kind of
keep me from from fully understanding what we're trying to to uh get to there So um I want to hear if y'all have any thoughts on that If um you know it's on us to uh we have the right to investigate every department Not necessarily it's a bad thing It can be a
good thing going through all the documents uh speaking with staff you know that's something we don't want to bother them in the dayto day but it's something that that can be done you know once every couple weeks have a have a meeting that that kind of goes through a department says and we kind of check off a bunch of of boxes all the way down
then we kind of move forward closer to the budget season So um do y'all have any thoughts on that [Music] i'm I'm just um trying to understand but would uh I'm I mean I would What would What would What do you mean like an
audit of like every the spending of every department or Well and I Well I assume that when it comes time to budget we're going to be getting a lot of numbers and it's it's going to become it's going to come out as fast Well you're used to it I'm not used to that And and I know there are a lot of things
that that I'm not happy with that I'm that I have major concerns with the way uh over the past month with some of these monies that um I said I I just want a thorough review and that's what it is It's nothing it's not a gotcha on anything It's I like a thorough review of of
everything Is this something that would be done by like a third party or done by us individually it would be us as a council So essentially what I would like to do is work with the city manager and the city attorney um and maybe make requests for certain documents or
or you know whatever it may be and then we have a workshop on it or a meeting whatever we want to call these things and where we all have that same information we can sit down and thoroughly review it and I just feel it'll help us where we can communicate We can't communicate about this
especially as it gets closer to budget We can't communicate that unless we're up here And I I think it it would really help me to fully understand the city and it it so we won't have issues down the road That's it I I kind of want to go through because right now I feel like
I'm in the dark a lot So that that's that's my concern So do you want to do it on a is your is your thought to do it on a department by department basis just basically have a department one have have a meeting where one department comes up here and explains
not not necessarily an explanation I think request information what they do and and their budget piece and individually No sir No not necessarily No Um pretty much when we sit down say as a workshop say I I put a request in
hey I would like these documents you know um the staff what they're paid what their their roles are Okay And I'm not saying one's they're not all valuable Of course they are I I just want to see how the government functions here And I think that you know we only we don't know what
we don't know And I believe that there's a lot that I don't know So you know we see issues come up every so often every few weeks I just want to know when we make a decision for the budget for the the next year at least my first time coming in here I want to know that that I've
thoroughly vetted this entire city And that's it it this isn't we're not trying to go after any person It's it's actually I want to better understand this so it makes it easier in the budget process That's that's my concern So how
fast are you trying to get this started well she city manager wants the uh the budget done by what's the workshop workshop I think we just said was was June 15th right that's in a few months July July 15th Okay I'm sorry And and just to be clear
council can request any information ever just individually Yes But when I this this would be something totally different than that This will be whatever it it'll be it may be a large request but I want everybody to have the the same information and then we all sit
down together and then we can go through each department As Dan has said we can go through each department and then we can check off that box and move on to the next I just want to have a full understanding because right now I can tell you you know I don't go down in to the first floor or the second floor and I have no idea what these folks are doing and I don't understand their
departments and and you don't have the time to sit down and and because I I could definitely sit down with you for for weeks to go through all that but you don't have the time to do that I don't mind everybody getting the same information on my own time I can study what I need to study if they like to
They may know what I don't know And then we all sit down and discuss it and then we can move on to the next department And it's our job I mean we the powers are vested in this council And I know to make me feel comfortable about making the decisions on spending taxpayers
dollars I want to know 100% from the top up where we're spending the money and how it how it how it functions Not questioning that it's not being spent properly I trust your staff I trust the department heads I just want to feel more comfortable about it knowing that when I say yes it is the right way You
know it is what it is So you know I don't like rubber stamping anything And I don't feel that it is I think you're it's like with the mobility fees you know when the whole deal is negotiated out and it's just a yay or a nay I don't feel comfortable with things like that So I I think the council
will be pleasantly surprised with how well staff does with very little It has nothing to do with that No but I'm but I'm saying as as a result this happens I think I hope so If this happens I think I think coun council will be very proud
that staff is is putting together what we're doing and and how we're functioning the way we're functioning Yeah Um so is that something that that we can do and um and I can work with the city manager and city attorney We can get whatever information everybody get the same information and then we can
schedule and call it a workshop a budget one called a budget workshop because that's what you call it We call it a a a bud a budget inquiry workshop Um just kind of lead right up into the budget So I I fully understand and I can sit here and hash it out with the people who have
been up here for a few years So um I'd like to go ahead and make a motion to um to do that if if uh that's the council's wish Second We have a second from Council Member Paul Madame Clerk please call the
RO What i don't know what I don't know We're using section 3.11 the investigations to thoroughly go through each department You didn't hear my explanation Yeah that I just so they're essentially they'll be
like workshops where we just go over the information every department leading up to the budget uh to the budget time Okay I I'm just talking this out with everybody because this is the only time I I get to I have a concern that um
because this is a part-time job and I also have a full-time job that this is going to be extremely time consuming on being like what are we are we talking about a workshop every week or we talking about No it probably once every couple weeks Okay Yeah Yeah And this and you can do
with the information what you want I mean if you you know if it's if it's something that you already know the stuff then then it wouldn't really apply But this is the kind of stuff where I need to I want to go thoroughly through each department and fully understand it before I vote on a budget That's kind of
where I'm at with it So are we talking about like a budget workshop but specifically for each department absolutely Okay Madam clerk please call the role I have a comment Yes sir Um so what what would
you be asking of the different departments so if they're anything and everything everything but they're going to need to know like they will know That's where I said I'd work with with the city attorney and city manager And then during the the when we do the meetings
or the workshops then you everybody else can ask those as well but everybody would get the same information right so So I'm just talking talking this out like like like council member Urban said So when we go so last year when we do the budget workshop so every
department head is there every we go we individually it's like six hours long I understand like we go through every single almost every line item in the budget and then we would ask you know hey what is this hey what is this I'm not sure
if because it's going to be very intensive I think to go through every single function of the department I think it would be a strain on the department You don't Well you don't have to If you choose not to that that's your
prerogative It it it's a it's a method to get all of the information and then we can have the workshop and we can sit down with them and ask any and all questions Who determines what information that are asked for the entire city every from the top to the bottom From the bottom to the top I want
to learn every department before I vote on a budget So I with all due respect you don't have to vote for it Council deputy mayor right i was just I was just saying because I have so the city manager um is pretty good about like we have access to all the directors So like
we can request from any like we can get any and everything that we want We don't have to you know if there's something that there like you find we can bring it up at a workshop and discuss I don't think we need to formally say oh you know we're going to launch this We're going to use this section to like
completely go through every single department I believe that's our duty to do that sir And I I believe that it would be timeconsuming to keep going back to the director time and time again and peacemealing information So it's we
check off the boxes We take care of one department at a time line them up but and and it maybe it's just me more for me but I know I don't feel comfortable right now with the way things have been operating So I want to and this isn't a gotcha on anybody This is I want to
fully understand the city and and I would hope that you would want your mayor to fully understand the city I just I would ask like what kind of like what was the like what would why like the reason like what explain that you said there's things that you're not
happy with All right Uh we've taken there's a motion on the table There's a second by council member Paul Madam clerk please call the role Um um I have one more comment Yes So so I I absolutely respect your
um request to want to better understand every department of the city Can this be done on an individual basis so that I mean because I mean the newer council members might not be not not have as much information as some of the council
members who have been here before So maybe it doesn't all have to be done you know it could be done on an individual basis you could request the information or go over the information you need Council member Paul could I could council member Fletcher So I I think it's more than just information I would
like to speak with staff as well Right And I want to understand every I mean if if the city manager would allow me to go and speak with every single staff person and sit down and and discuss their roles I would um sorry to interrupt I would
like wouldn't that be against the charter if the city manager allows us to well I mean I just asked I don't Did you hear what I just said well I said if the city manager would allow me to do that It's not against It's not against the charter if the city manager allows us to
See the charter allows the charter says that you're if you're going to basically provide any direction or orders to the to employee all that has to be through the city manager I don't think it's clear as to whether if you're just doing information gathering you certainly it certainly can be allowed over the course
of everybody's service At times you do talk to directors directly without the city manager being present and you talk about get for information gathering purposes and I think that's what you're talking about That's it Yep I I just want the freedom to be able to to meet
with staff Like I said I've never I I've been here what five five and a half months I haven't been behind the planning desk I don't know who the staff I mean I've met a handful of here and I think I need to I think we need to know who this maybe everybody else knows everybody here maybe everybody knows
their functions I sure don't and I think it's important the council the the powers are best in the council we need to know I need to know the inner workings of this city and I don't feel comfortable with a budget until I do so that's where I stand on it I would be in
agreement with uh doing it individually can I address that Yes ma'am So I think individually is more intimidating for employees I I also feel that directors would not appreciate
being present to understand the conversations that were happening Um so that I I I I would be less comfortable with with that um than I would um I think I think I'm
uncomfortable that we're calling this an investigation I think more comfortable that we're calling these workshops or something like that City manager with all due respect that is that is the only venue or way that we can do it That's in the charter We can't just go and meet go
behind the doors and meet with staff and and you know we have to go through you but this does allow us to fully look at the city up down I mean that's our job No our job is to understand and and with all due respect this past month you haven't allowed me to understand a lot
of things So let's all due respect I disagree I spent hours on the phone with you mayor but I'm not I don't want to go down that route I think you're misunderstanding what I said What I'm saying is I think what is concerning is calling it an investigation where these could be
workshops Um because if if you're talking about the council as a whole here I don't think you're talking about the council still going down into each individual department You're talking about doing this here in a open environment Unless you're talking about
the five of you being behind closed doors which no it would still be an open it would still be an open That's why I'm saying you could call it if you called it a workshop it's I think it'd be a little less intimidating for staff also um because investigations are scary Yes
And that is why I called it budget inquiry workshop I have one more comment That's why I said but it it that is the way the charter reads it That's why I called it that That's how I read it off because that's how the charter reads it But and
that's why I said to make it sound softer we can call them budget inquiry workshops It doesn't matter what we call it It's the same We get to the same road I want to know from the bottom of to the top how this city operates And if you you want to hold my hand every day
through city hall and just go around and we sit down and spend an hour with each staff member I'm all about that I'm not saying we're going to sit down and and interview staff every staff member but I want to get to know who's working here I want to know how the city operates and I
don't feel that that I'm given that opportunity I have a comment This is my final comments um before we make a decision Um I think we have a heav he heavily credentialed city manager I think we have award-winning departments who have won or uh awards over and over and over
again Um both in the finance department the building department is certified We have uh very highly recognized police department I think we have one of the best organizations um in this county and I believe focusing on an investigation will kill morale um in in the city
running an organization of 750 employees is not easy and I think going through every single department and intimidating them I know that's not the intent but that's what will happen um and if you would like to get information um on different departments I would say work
with the city manager's office um and her staff to do that and and work with the directors individually but I don't need to to to spend time um doing it in this manner Uh and you don't sir Um nobody was saying that the city manager wasn't doing a good job and
nobody said staff wasn't doing a good job This is so I can better better understand the city to make a decision I'm one of five votes and and I you know we as council should want everybody to be fully informed on our decision-making
processes here So I I I agree with that I think I think the information that I have when I make decisions that come across my desk I feel like I'm fully informed fully briefed and have all of the information that I need I have never felt that I did not have that information and I have um spent many
hours on the phone with several um directors or all of the directors from each and every single department on every agenda item um that comes across my desk and I've never felt that they they withheld information or did anything to to to do so I feel like I have a grasp on each and every
department and how they operate And when I started I went through every single department and met with I had everybody come into this council or into this executive conference room and spoke with each one of them one by one and went through every single department Amazing
There it is right there When I first started uh city manager I would like the same treatment I want to meet with every single staff member Sir I requested it You know what i'm requesting it right now Okay But we I gave you that mayor It was the same thing You you you met with all the departments after getting elected It's the same thing No I met
with department heads That's that was the same thing It was the same thing That was the same thing Well you met with you said you went you met with every staff member down there Well when I mean staff I mean the the the people who lead the individual departments and I drove to every single location and I just don't feel that I've got a full
understanding of the way the city operates And maybe if the city manager can assist me with that if that's what it takes Um I'm happy to provide you you talked about documents and information I'm happy to if you start letting me know which things you're looking for and
you know I'm happy to provide that information and we can send it to all the council I mean there's no there's nothing to hide And that's where you you're getting me wrong You want me to make a decision in June or July on a budget for an entire year I'm going to be honest I don't know how this city operates because I've never been behind
those those doors when I said those doors planning you know building you you know I I don't truly know how these departments operate I just want a better understanding I'm not saying they're not operating efficiently I just I don't feel comfortable making decisions that
early on It's pushing it way back and and maybe we we move that date out If the council would like to move the the the date out you can I'm I'm I think you're looking to me for answers right now I think it's the rest of the board that needs Well you're the one that that's commenting on things so that's
why I'm talking to you Yes I would just say um I I believe all of us um have a right to access any um information that that we need from any department So does every resident It's it's public record So I would encourage
um you or anybody individually to work with the city manager to dig deeper into whatever department you'd like Uh but I don't think that um this um like a formal whatever we would call it an investigation would be necessary or a
time appropriate of like using I think it could be done on an individual basis So for that reason I'll be voting no All right Thank you Can I just pipe in yes sir Is this a votable thing now i I I understand both sides of this Uh but
information that's requested I would like a copy of that I'd like to study that and then I'd like to get back on those items and if the people that council that does feels that it's not necessary then then it's uh king that's
all and then and then the people that want to you know want to look into it they so the accessibility that you're asking for we might be able to give you some insight for the and if they don't want to do it that's fine too but it's
just you're asking for information and then deciphering information After that information is then deciphered then we we see if there's areas that we need to address specifically for that Is that would that be appropriate for everybody i mean that's kind of what what we're I
I think if I'm wrong please and and it's an opportunity for us to sit down and go through the same information together Do you know how the city runs every department from I mean we have a guest you know companies run every department I know overall how they run and I know
when there's an issue and I I dig into that issue So I think what I again I'm just talking here Let's get all the information Let's look at it and then if we have to meet on it oh you agree to this item Hey let's let's ask more about
that Therefore we're doing the work We're coming back with specific needs and and and inquirements Therefore they can get that done I I can again Kobe I'm sorry I I am retired but I do work a little bit But but
but I understand time is valuable I certainly do But I understand some of us might need more information than others and some might be able to help in different departments than others Absolutely And that's what I would like you know as a council Yes Our responsibility is just that You you hit it on the head But if if you're
comfortable with it don't come to that section Don't come to that meeting Don't come to that deal Three Three is a quorum Okay Does that sound okay yep That's the way I feel as well This isn't a gotcha This isn't to make anybody uncomfortable This is where we get the same information We can all sit down
together and just go through it because I may not understand it but I need council interaction to fully understand because you guys are looking at it from the same viewpoint as me Staff may look at from a different lens through a different lens That's why it's important
for us to do it together And and if you don't want to I understand I like I said three is a quorum if you know whoever wants to show up But yeah I'll just request if we could get that information and decipher it first Sure So when we do meet we have that knowledge of that
information that we're not getting the packet and looking over it you know highlighting crib notes and then we might have the same might have different I think it would save time and it would save uh efforts of of the council here And again I I don't mind putting in the
hours That's not my issue But uh if there's something that somebody feels comfortable with they don't have to show up Yes sir Yeah And it wouldn't be I'm sorry Go ahead No I'm giving you that And that's it So we have a a motion and a second Madame Clerk can you please
call the role council member Gilbert I Council member Fletcher no Council member Paul I Council member Urban I Mayor Robertson I Motion carries Um 32 Sorry 41 Are we good well now we have the
information section Well hold on I may have something else Uh tomorrow there's the uh well Sunday it's actually the National Boring Day Uh the 65th Infantry um from Puerto Rico who fought during the Korean War
and I'll be over there participating at the sheriff's department tomorrow They actually have a lunchon ceremony Everybody's invited of course I assume I mean they they say all is welcome Wanda Reentes actually called me and spoke about it and I brought some items over there from the museum Um but I would
like to say Spring Fling was amazing I know staff was heavily involved in that Um uh at least they they were out and about We had the I saw the police department out there the fire department the St Cloud Citizens Foundation as y'all know I'm the chair of that along with Aaron uh Jensen and Donna Culie Uh
we actually sponsored uh I believe it was roughly $2,100 towards police because they had a beer guard I think we had two officers there We had um there were barricades Uh I think fire department came down there for free I don't think
there was a cost associated with that but they came down with a a fire truck So other than that uh it was a good weekend It was a very it I think we really need to look at that at that event and see how we can participate in the future I think it was it was heavily
attended I know that experience CMI surveyed it last year because I think it was the first you sit on that Okay Every time a grant's given there's two different types of surveys There's surveys a soft survey and a harder survey and they they
were last year surveyed uh and uh for economical impact reasons and for reasons this year they might have been but sometimes it's different Chris it's just a phone uh survey versus in person and they go out and they can actually find out how many people are there through connectivities of phones that's
how they service sometimes I will say the surveyor that experienced CAMI hires is amazing she does a thorough evaluation of the event um if we've done the event one year they don't survey it the next year we have to survey ourselves and I know with our last event
the museum I did it myself and I believe that Rotary had to do it themselves I want to see the one the third party survey Yes it's a unbiased and and and that happens uh how it's decided on that Chris I'm sorry to interrupt you but what they do is they they randomly if you're new you get surveyed If you're if
you have some continuity and consistency you're not surveyed as much It's every other year but first times it's usually the first time they survey you That's how it's done because half the grant money is in in a survey sometimes right you know if we give $5,000 a thousand of
it's for surveys If it's consistent enough then we won't survey it We'll do it a telephone survey which ping some of the folks are there in the numbers such as that Okay City manager there's a way to have a headcount I somebody rattled off a number from last year's event and
I don't know if it was based on a survey or some other way of we have a placer software that um uses I think credit card information and cell phone data and that that's a city tool that that we have I can't say it's 100% accurate but
that's um it's an AI based that that we use Um I don't know if the numbers we gave you were from that or if it was Actually I think it was from that and potentially the the It was from Placer The more I think about it it was Okay Yeah because
we talked about the box Yeah Well it I think it uses your cell phone and then somehow it it knows when you go use that your credit card at a place because it can tell us that four people went to Dunkin Donuts and spent
approximately this total amount It actually gives you a consumption You feel comfortable with that Dan no I don't feel Have you defended a client on that yet no but I Yeah I I have
searched uh uh I have just recently was at a Home Depot walked out of the Home Depot and then got an email from Home Depot basically saying "Did you buy anything?" I'm like "How the heck did you know I was at Home Depot and no one tied your
credit card?" Yeah they got it Well I didn't know I just said it was on my phone Yes Scott Because I didn't use my credit card So that's scary Scott David off deputy city manager I can answer a little bit of the information on Placer So Placer uses cellular data So the way
it works is we can for example we set up a zone for an event uh you like what they call a net a yeah it's a GIS fence uh that we set up for an event and it measures the amount of cell phones that
are in there uh and that's how they utilize that data That's what's used across the country across the world Uh government agencies utilize that same tool Now a lot of times what they also use is then they can also check on credit card credit card swipes and some other things too to check what type of
dollars that people are are spending uh that are tied to some of that data But that's the tool that that um that we utilize here that agencies all across the world utilize Same type of technology Awesome Thank you Yeah I I just know it was such a heavily attended
event and and I know they don't do the boat races like they used to or the I think they used to do the carnival rides as well when we were kids Do y'all remember yeah Um I know it's expensive for the boat race but I'd love to see that event build up bigger than what you know with more stuff not just vendors
and and if there's any anything in the future that we can tie other organizations into with them I don't know Um but I I know everybody enjoyed themselves down there and I know I went down there probably for seven hours Two of them I talked to council member former council member Ascu and he
rolled up in his his oneheer So all right Other than that I got nothing else Um this brings us to our information report section Thursday March 20th 2025
we had our intergovernmental meeting at 10:00 a.m This is an old report section [Music] right we have another intergovernmental meeting No that's I'm sorry I didn't do that That's all right I'll just go right
to the April Um no that's this is last month's It's on the It's on your screen We have a meeting April 10th It's on your screen Oh thank you We'll read that one Uh Thursday April 24th community redevelopment agency meeting 3M city
hall Thursday April 24th city council workshop 3:30 p.m or immediately following the CR CRA meeting at city hall Wednesday May 7th special city council meeting 6:30 p.m in city hall council chambers Uh Thursday May 8th
city council meeting 6:30 p.m in the council chambers at city hall And is there a warrant list for everybody to Yes There it is We have warrant list number six and the other report is
recreation advisory minutes uh for October 2024 and they were approved And with that this meeting is ajourned