Welcome to our council meeting in the interest of time efficiency and ensuring that everyone who wishes to address the council is given the opportunity to do so the following will apply to all comments made to the public each speaker will be allotted three minutes to address the council unless such time is
extended by the mayor or by questions from councel group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments every effort will be made to avoid interrupting speakers for your information the items listed in section 11 of the agenda are for first reading and introduction and the council will
not take final action on them tonight if you have any questions on these items please see City staff in the back of the chambers thank you for participating in your city government and we call this meeting to order and we have the invocation from Pastor Kathy ther from First United
Methodist of St Cloud good evening everyone let us pray gracious and loving God we thank you for this beautiful day your presence with us in this special place we thank you for our city and all of our public servants we pray for
continued growth in our community and for the blessings and opportunities you give us each day thank you for our city person Personnel Emergency Management fire and police departments those who serve us each and every day we pray for
our businesses health care facilities and all who work and live in our Fair City we ask that your blessings on our mayor Chris Robertson our Deputy Mayor Sean Fletcher for each and every council member Jennifer Paul Kobe Urban and Ken
Gilbert we thank you for the many blessings that you give us today we especially thank you for all our boy scouts and recognize their national Boy Scout Day and for all their accomplishments we ask that you would be with us we pray for clarity and wisdom
in all of our presentations help us to work together for good and we pray that all accomplishment tonight will be for the well-being of our citizens we ask all of this in your holy name amen please remain standing for the Pledge of
Allegiance I pled to the flag of the United States of America and to the for it stands one nation God indivisible withy andice for all all right please be
seated and Madame clerk please call the RO mayor Robertson here Deputy Mayor Fletcher here council member Paul here council member Urban here council member Gilbert here all right city manager uh do you have any updates for this meeting yes thank you under the presentation section
I would like to ask that we move the team recognition directly after national Boy Scout Day unfortunately our presentation for employee of the month was unable to come this evening so I'd like to remove that from the agenda and I'd like to add a final presentation um
at the End by too Water Authority CEO Todd swingle that is all thank you all right thank you city manager all right and first on the agenda we have a proclamation for the in
recognition of national Boy Scout Day all right hey Scouts how are y'all would y'all like to come on up here's going all right as many of y'all know I was actually a Cub Scout and a Boy Scout in this community um one of my greatest memories was a Christmas parade where
they used to if y'all remember we had a very small Town back when I was a kid and uh they would actually block off 192 and run that parade right down 192 they they would never do that now that's amazing troop nine I was troop nine very cool all right well
whereas the scat Boy Scouts movement was founded in Great Britain in 1907 by Lieutenant General Robert SS Baden pal and whereas the Boy Scouts of America was incorporated by Chicago publisher William Boyce on February 8th 1910
and whereas more than 130 million young men and women have participated in scouting America's youth programs and more than 35 million adult volunteers have helped carry out scouting America's Mission and whereas the Scout Law is a scout is trustworthy loyal helpful
friendly courteous kind obedient cheerful Thrifty Brave clean reverent and whereas the Scout Oath Is On My Honor I will do my best to do my duty to God in my country and to obey the Scout Law to help other people at
all times to keep myself physically strong mentally awake and morally straight and whereas the Scout motto is be prepared and the Scout slogan is do a good turn daily and whereas the mission of scouting America is to prepare young
people to make ethical and moral choice moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law now therefore I Christian B Robertson mayor along with the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida do hereby recognize February 8th
2025 as national Boy Scout Day [Applause] all right thank you'all y go ahe and sit on down here thank y'all for coming tonight excellent thank
you all right and next we have a presentation by the Small Business Development Center the sbdc mayor if we could um do the the team presentation next you were so right that that way we don't have to turn the podium around y thank
you all right and next we have a presentation of Team recognition of the month to rer mccan and Norman M Murphy good evening all I'm here on behalf of David Gross
David nominated Norman and Roger and I would like to share with you the kind words David had to say on December 3rd 2024 Roger mcran and Norman Murphy were working together driving down Jersey
Avenue around 14th Street Roger and Norman noticed the a little girl crying and asking for help she and her dog were Tangled Up in a bicycle Roger and Norman got out of the truck helped her and her dog get untangled from the bicycle and
then made sure that she was okay and as they both walked home safely for this reason I'm happy to I'm happy and proud to present the 2025 employee of the month award to Roger mcran and Carman Marky
I think they sounded like Boy Scouts all right and next up we have a presentation by council member Urban recognition of the building Department's accreditation yes hello on behalf of the city council I'd like to recognize the building department for its outstanding work in
becoming an accredited building department through the international accreditation service this prestigious honor is awarded to the building departments that have met national standards for Public Safety Services in their communities this accreditation involves the assessment of Department goals policies and procedures in the
areas of Permitting planning and inspections the three main quality areas were observed were quality timelessness and customer service out of a potential 10 points in each category our building department scored 9 .7 for timeliness
9.8 for customer service and 10 for Quality we are the ninth building department in the nation to receive this accreditation and honor congratulations to the building department for a job well done
[Applause] thank you ni uh congratulations on that building department all right next up we have a presentation by Maria cavellos and rapael Pratt regarding the Small
Business Development Center the sbdc good evening my name is Maria savales and rapael uh Pratt uh sbdc small and small business developments um Center sorry my back is to you guys but we are
so excited to announce a new partnership with the city of St Cloud that started this year and is an initiative to help those um entrepreneurs that want to start a business and those businesses that are looking to growth and also to bring attention to St Cloud so that
businesses can relocate here so in 2004 we started um servicing businesses in Oola County and we have been service servic businesses in the cimi um office s cloud businesses that is but now it's
official that every Thursday I will be the person that is designated to serve those people that want help to to grow the business and and we're there to support him in any way we can um do you have anything to say no so thank you so
much Maria good evening everyone and the public the audience it's so the Florida isbdc has been around since 1976 primarily we're hosted by University of Central Florida we offer three main services to the business Community we do Consulting on one-on-one basis in
confidential in nature we also offer workshops on ongoing basis and then business resource which is also very informative for business owners to make good decisions as far as how to head their business with that said uh really grateful for the opportunity with the
city of sancloud to to expand and grow and help them and as we continue grow in our community with that said thank you andronet for leading the effort in putting all this together and uh for your for the for the public servants and
also for the the city members and uh citizens of Cloud thank you and one more thing our services have no cost if anybody has any questions um hold on where do we meet at so we are located here inside City Hall
on the third floor Economic Development and then the information um you have to make an appointment in order to see us and is every Thursday Building B great question I was gonna ask that too thank you very much apprciate good night
everyone yeah good night thank [Applause] you and next up we have a presentation by too Water Authority CEO Todd swingle slide to advance or there we
go uh good good evening mayor council City staff uh I'm here to give you an overview on uh our billing systems um I'll cover several different items uh a billing overview rate changes usage and customer cost autopay limits some
equipment failures and then our summary commitment and response uh too is responding to an increase in concerns regarding high water bills uh these we started to become aware of these in December and shortly thereafter uh in very early January launched several responses
including a dedicated web page to help answer questions a uh a dedicated email address so that customers can request individual review of any concerns that they may have we've shared that information through social media I do want to note there's various factors
that contribute to these concerns I wish there was just one answer uh but everything is often unique to each customer circumstance um we are also conducting a thorough EV evaluation of our billing and metering systems to make sure that we don't have any issues as
well uh a couple of the things that that can contribute there was a rate change that went into effect uh in the first part of October our water Wastewater and irrigation rates increased by 5% our reclaimed rate increas increased by about
12.6% um that reclaimed rate is set at 75% of the pable irrigation rate one of the reasons that I want to highlight that as well is that it is still at a discount totable but because of the importance and constraints on water supply that reclaimed water supply is
very important for the planning not only for uh too for the cities for the counties that we serve but the region as a whole additionally on too's Bill are several City items including solid waste and storm water fees uh those increased by about
8.2% um and there may be some uh locations where those fees are brand new so if a property was just annexed in October historically that Solid Waste bill would have been on their County tax bill and it's now showing up on our too Bill because as a city service that's
where it's build instead of on the tax bill usage and customer cost so an in a fair number of the circumstances we see that variability and usage uh including High irrigation is one of the significant sources of Bill changes we do have a tiered rate system in place so
that means that there's a higher cost at increased usage we start to see some of those significant increases up at 10,000 gallons and above and there's another tier that then enters in at 20,000 gallons um there can be unusual usage whether it's a uh more people in the
home for the holidays or a pool fill or anything of that nature we do see leaks uh that those can occur and if they're on the customer side of the meter that that will show up on the meter uh but we do offer Bill adjustments for certain planned and unplanned events so uh we we absolutely want people to call us if
they see something or send an email to that bill inquiry uh because there can be things that um at like a pool feel there could be something uh it could be a leak it could be something they didn't know exactly what it was and and we'll we do provide uh credits for those we'll
do a review on those and often we a able to give a credit on that high usage month back to um it's it typically is their previous highest Bill within the last 12 months so a little bit of overview on
um our rates and and where those were at um some of the we the rate increase went into effect in October uh of 2024 um you can see that it was a total of about 6.4% for most of our customers the
average water use in the home is about 4,000 gallons that's pretty common um quite a few people don't do not have irrigation as well and so uh currently um their bill would be at approximately 92 that includes a little over $50 from
Tojo and plus the $40 in City fees where re irrigation is used the average reclaimed Irrigation in St Cloud and really across our entire service area is about 7,000 gallons that's an important number because that's also consistent
with the cfwi which is the central Florida water initiative uh goal for conservation uh their goal is Set uh to about to 115 gallons per person per day on a gross basis gross means that they
actually uh include all the commercials as well so the residential use is actually expected to be lower than that but it's still a good Benchmark comparison at 7,000 gallons of reuse plus 4,000 gallons in the home that's about 120 gallons per person per day assuming three people per household
which is a pretty uh a reasonable density assumption um so that 7,000 gallons is really where we'd like to see people out from irrigation or below so those conservation tiers go into effect uh and start increasing above those uses and
especially at that 10,000 gallon Mark you can see that's also where costs can rise significantly because those rates are higher up in those tiers I have seen and reviewed quite a few bills that we're seeing uh irrigation up in that 15
20 25 30,000 gallons so that that can happen um so definitely we want to encourage people work uh we want to work with you we've got uh a dedicated team that can help with setting irrigation timers and helping optimize your
irrigation systems uh another item that we have identified that we're going to in the process of changing is that our customers on autopay have a limit of $300 for credit cards um when a bill exceeds that limit that autopay doesn't process while the while they do get an
email notifying them of that I know that email inboxes are full and people might miss that uh that can definitely be a challenge if no payment is made that next bill will reflect the P to amount and so often people may see a very high bill and it's really two months because that past payment didn't process so we
are in the process of working with the payment vendor to increase that limit to $1,000 uh which is uh consistent with the rest of our footprint equipment failures we have been seeing a premature failure of the MTU and Miu and that's a acronym for the
electronic device that we use to send the meter reading back to our office and the computer system I do want to note that that's not the meter it's actually just the electronic device so the meter is still reading it is meters can also fail and we can't in in some instances
we can identify that there is an a meter failure but that's not what we're seeing a significant increase in failures of it is those electronic devices they were generally uh they're sold with with a 10-year full warranty and then a 20-year partial warranty we're seeing a lot of our failure rates across our footprint
not just in St Cloud um at about that 11 and 12 year mark uh we had originally anticipated we would start seeing more failures in that 15 to 17 years as we got closer out to that 20-year expected life about 6,500 devices are um
identified for repair or replacement in the St Cloud footprint a little over 20,000 28,000 Toho wide and that's out of a total footprint of over 210,000 devices so when that does happen an estimated usage is uh is used for
billing purposes that is based on that that customer's prior 12 months um and then and that's used when an electronic or a manual read is not available we do make significant efforts to go out and get manual reads uh even until those
devices can be replaced once that device is replaced or we're able to get a manual read we then update the charges if previously we've overestimated then we issue a credit on the bill if if we've previously underestimated then
there would be a charge on the bill uh but the but I want to emphasize that that's going back to that that meter has been collecting that data that entire time that the Miu is not in service however we do recognize that when we have those estimates that that's
a negative experience on the customer and that's not where we want to be operating in so just last night in fact our board approved an accelerated uh program uh for both the St Cloud area and our entire footprint uh increasing our spend from 7.4 million to 12.4
million on our meters and mtus uh those are budgeted in the same align item so that's why that's combined uh that that $5 million increase though is is really driven by those mtus and mius the timing on that is uncertain uh due to contractor availability uh and
the device availability but we have already been meeting with those vendors and they've indicated to us that they're prepared to ramp up and they're prepared to ensure that we've got inventory of those devices um because of the current inventory of those failed devices those
will of course be prioritized this eight Monon number also factors in things that we expect to fail over that time period as well so that we can then get back to a more normal operating stance so I want to highlight then our summary commitment and response um we're
absolutely committed to working with the city and our customers to resolve these concerns um to highlight uh these the emails we've gotten about 133 emails since January 6th uh to that dedicated Bill uh inquiry a lot of those were just
general inquiries so 62 of them were related to high bills um of those um just over 20 was due to consumption um about 12 of those had an identified leak 17 had either some form of Miu failure
or a combination of an Miu failure and a leak um six were related to increased rates and then there were several additional that were either pool fill or pass due amounts um I do want to highlight as well that this is the data for just that email address we do take
calls um we average and and about a th calls a day across our footprint but those numbers have actually been coming down so we again we just presented to our board last night in between summer and uh January in general we've seen uh an overall downward Trend in calls we
have seen some periodic uh places where we've seen some increases um but by and large we're seeing pretty normal call volumes uh but we also recognize that um that where this issue is occurring for people or they have those concerns that it's that it is very significant to
those individuals um so I want to highlight those things that uh we're uh proposing uh and implementing as we speak uh first is working on revising that autopay limit to avoid and reduce any failed
payments uh the next is the free irrigation consultations available uh and those can be scheduled I've included the link um and you know please use that we see really significant results when we can go out and work hand inand with people uh often times uh irrigation
reductions can be uh can be cut in half or even more and there's quite a bit a significant data out there of being able to work with people to reduce that irrigation demand um accelerate the MTU and Miu replacement as I just mentioned uh with that increased investment and
again prioritizing those that have already failed customer specific Bill evaluations uh send us an email at that um that water bill questions at too water.com uh we will also be having staff come here to City Hall to be able
to offer in in uh person bill consultations uh We've also brought a sheet tonight and will be out in the lobby after my presentation so that if anyone that is here in the audience happy to take their name and contact information so that uh rather than having to send us an email after the
fact we'll go ahead and take that information um uh and then again those uh Bill adjustments are available for certain planned and unplanned events so we know that when if if customers reach out to us that's absolutely the best way to know that
there's a concern and we want to address that concern no matter what but we also recognize there may be people that haven't uh that don't pay attention to those bills or that uh aren't aware of how to get in touch with us and so in addition we're ramping up our bill and
data evaluations um we're going in and starting a process to look at where we've seen Bill variations uh above certain thresholds uh so if if they've had variability over the 6 months that's AB normal compared to others um
especially if we've seen any estimated bills so we're already in we've already started pulling that data and intend to do Bill reviews on those whether we receive a request or not and so that's one of the things that we want to make sure that we ramp up um and we have will
be launching an expanded St Cloud area dedicated web page to make sure that uh citizens can go and review this information it'll have this presentation that I've given as well as uh all of those links and are frequently questions that will actually be launched tomorrow
um and then uh before and before I move on to the utility management update I I do want to highlight that the other piece that we absolutely recognize is that um we've got to make sure that we're meeting people where they're at that we're having the conversation with
them that we're also looking internally uh and so when we part of our expanded efforts will also be to ensure that we're work working with our customer service staff our field techs to make sure that they've got full visibility of the potential issues even those that can
be ours whether it's an estimated bill with an MTU or if there is a meter issue to ensure that um you know we're really thoughtful about uh whether it's our issue or the customer uh that we're working with as far as usage patterns and things of that nature uh so uh and
our uh Chief customer officer is here tonight as well and she will be launching additional training and uh scripting programs with those customer uh service Texs to make sure that we're covering those well and finally I would like to propose that we we do an
expanded utility management update with you um and propose around the end of the March I'd reach out to the city manager I understand that March 27th uh might be open um and what we'd like to do is both give you an update on where we're at
with resolving uh these billing concerns but then also a comprehensive update on on where we're at with management of the utility as well because there are quite a few things as well that we have accomplished uh we've seen uh significant increases in pressure up in the nusi corridor uh we're we've just
signed the contract for um the process changes and reconstruction of water plant 4 um quite a few additional things that we have accomplished during the time period that we've been here and we'd like to uh our priority right now is on making sure that we're addressing
these concerns but we also do want to have that conversation about uh really our holistic management approach for the utility as well um in the meantime as well though we will be providing updates uh to the city staff uh and as mentioned
above making sure that those responses that we're providing to Residents that they're copied so that because transparency is absolutely important to us and so our intent is to go ahead and provide those analysis of the data as well as those responses that we're giving to customers
and with that I would like to entertain any questions or discussion that you may have all right first we have uh thank you Todd appreciate you friend uh council member Gilbert yeah thank you uh Mr Swindle um I was one of those customers that U had a um we had a
credit card on file and the bill was over the credit card on file so it did not take payment and a month later we got a late charge and a notice to shut off our water uh we have plenty of f folks that are in in in in our house
that that live there and U I appreciate two things one that you decided to raise that limit and then I'd like you also notice when St Cloud saw irregular charges they would notice the the the customers do you have like uh irregular
charges did you fill up your water did and I've got silly calls from uh citizens that said listen the house is flooded my water bill is $8,000 and I go well there one of your sprinkler heads busted so I I've see both ends of that Spectrum but uh with social media being it the
way it is I would I appreciate you reaching out to us in social media a lot of the folks that I've heard from the citizens just want to be informed and they want to have proactive measures I see that I also signed up for the irrigation specialist because I was
uh two days a week and I was overwatering my lawn which I I'm not a lawn expert but but if you bring that to the table and offer that to the citizen St Cloud I think that would be a a great thing for us and thank you for spending the time to come up here I yield back to
you mayor all right and council member Urban yeah just would uh would like to thank Todd for coming here tonight and and uh just wanted to say um it I you know I've had residents contact me as well directly and and we were able to too was
very attentive and quickly able to help resolve their issues or figure out what was going on um and and with that I just want to say please uh reach out to us I think all of our direct phone numbers are on the on the city's website so reach out to us and we can help get you
in contact with anybody at too in addition to all of the the resources that we're outlined in in this uh in this presentation tonight um as Todd mentioned a little bit the the infrastructure Investments that too is doing to our uh Community is it's
absolutely incredible and um I I think it a bit humble and explaining some of the things that that are being done right now and I look forward to the workshop and learning more about that I'd also encourage uh the city council to uh to schedule a tour out on the the water treatment plants it's it's really
really amazing um um with that also one of the issues that I've seen and unfortunately the city has had to raise some of our fees storm water and solid waste and things like that which are also on the too Bill um I was going to
bring this up at my time at the end but I would like to see um eventually us moving towards taking the city charges off of the too Bill and putting them either separately on the tax rols or something separately so that it's not confused with with Toho charges if maybe
we can explore that opportunity to to do so in a future Workshop or just start that process I think that would also help with some of the confusion on the charges too city manager I'm I'm just looking for consensus yeah we can add it to the workshop I guess probably when we have Todd that might be a good time to
talk about it okay thank you and that's all thank you so much for the presentation thank you thank you uh council member Paul um first I want to say thank you to Mr swingle for your presentation I know I have sent is um people over your way and um also
creating that email link and for people to use and I have also encouraged people to use that when they have billing issues um one question I have I know they're not accepting cash um down stairs are there other locations that
people can go to that will accept cash yes so um when when that uh accepting cash was stopped here it's opened up with Amscott um and because of not accepting it here we absorb the Amscot
fees so they can still pay cash with without incurring any payment fee at those locations and that uh information is also on our website as far as uh where they can pay thank you all right count uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just want to say thank you for
taking the time I know that we've spent a lot of time going back and forth um and digging into this issue and I just appreciate you on being upfront and transparent of of you know some of the concerns that the residents are having I've had residents um um reach out to me and I've encouraged them to to reach out
to too as well as copy me on those emails in the future um I know that that if there there is an issue I know it's a it's going to get handled by the customer service team um over at Tojo and uh if there is any charges that are obviously validated that you guys will
work with them um for a payment arrangement um or something of that nature I think the the auto pay increase is a is a is a great thing I actually had the the same thing um and then um the $5 million investment into the I'm calling them transponders because I was
confusing them um in into the transponders and and moving that um uh replacement of I think will definitely be be helpful I'm in favor of the workshop I think there's a lot of U we've had several workshops in in in the past you know you know four or five
months or at least the time that I've sat on the council and there's been nothing but good things that came from them um I would also um encourage um I know that you guys work a lot with with social media you came here and spoke today um perhaps the the the public information office your public
information office and our team um can work together to maybe push some of the information out that we received this evening um so that others in the community can see it um because a lot of folks you know they're not necessarily you know coming to the council meetings or following up they're getting the information um from social media and
kind of what uh council member Gilbert said you know you got to call like like you know you can't go online and say oh well my bill's High you know too's not going to say oh let me you know send a Facebook message you got it you have to call and even if um they call me or send
me an email like like kobby said you know um everybody's telephone number is up on the website um our cell phones you know it's right here if you call it right now it'll ring um so so reach out to us um I believe that too is uh uh you
know committed to to working with the residents to get their issues resolved and I appreciate you taking the time to come and see us this evening so thank you sir thank you and and if I could just respond to one thing uh we we absolutely take calls if you can please use the that dedicated email address
because that's routing into a team that I have dedicated to support this specific activity that we've already worked with on training to make sure that those are getting looked at so we welcome calls and then know people have their own preferences on communication style um that that dedicated email
address is is the best and preferred but we we certainly accept any uh communication so whether it's a call or that email yeah all right Todd yeah aome um thanks again for coming here today uh about a month ago two months ago we sat down you and your staff with me and and
and went over the entire system I'm amazed I mean I had a million questions and uh I still would love to sit down and talk more hours with you about this and um I will say you know Toho Water took on this task about two years ago I believe you took over our water utility
and um we had some challenges and I do I do want to highlight he spoke about plant four and that was one of the biggest ones that that that created many of the challenges here and some of the things that we talked about were with adding that extra polisher the the filter on the back end of it until you
do a complete change over right that's going to change over to a different type of system right yes that's correct so we added additional filters on the back end of that plant that are rental units uh that are in there uh we actually had those up and running within a year of taking over management of the operation
those continue in place uh until we make the process change so and the process change will go over to a more traditional ion exchange it's a lot like the water softener that is at your house if you have a water softener and so it's that we'll be switching to that process
um we've already issued the contracts uh we acquired new property next to the plant in order to have enough space um and the because of the long Le items uh are still uh the Water sector is still suffering from supply chain issues
within postco uh and so one of the things that we do and I think on this particular plant we issued three different uh sets of contract orders because of long lead item so uh back uh in the I don't remember the exact date but uh well into last year we ordered
the actual vessels those were the longest lead and then we ordered Electronics equipment and we we now signing those contracts and have the the vendor that's the contractor moving forward I think we're scheduled to start uh out into the field here by this
summer for actual construction okay yeah and and like the rest of us up here you know I I received many emails and calls and and I'm confident that Todd and his team are going to reach out to every single one of those and address these issues so thank you sir I appreciate you coming up here tonight thank you and we'll be out in the lobby for anyone that's here and that would like to give
us that information yes sir thank you all right next we have the consent agenda the next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda which contains items that have been determined to be routine and uncontroversial if anyone the audience wishes to address particular item on the consent agenda
now is the opportunity for you to do so additionally if staff or members of the city council wish to speak on a consent item they have the same opportunity and do we have any items on the consent you would like to P councel Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just
wanted to speak about item F mayor all right and I would like to pull item L if we could talk about uh item C mayor that would be great thank you sir yes sir all right Deputy Mayor Fletcher um item F this is an investment um um we are
purchasing uh a pumper truck for the the fire department I always like to highlight um significant investments in our fire Services um so thank you Chief um in your department for your leadership and bringing this item forward um to serve the resident so I appreciate that thank
you I was actually going to pull that as well I'd like to hear some some more information about that pumper truck fire chief Miller good evening Jason Miller fire chief um the item before you tonight is for the purchase of one Pierce fire pumper truck it's an enforcer series
engine which probably doesn't mean a whole lot to you but just picture it as you know F-150 F250 type of situation um it's just one of their models uh this fire engine is designated to be the engine for fire station 36 which you know is in our strategic plan you guys
have approved the bonding um later on this there's another item in front of you that will be impacting fire station 36 as part of the consent agenda so um this just puts us in line with the growth plan for the fire department that you're all aware of um the Pierce fire
trucks we for those of you that were able to make it up to the plant in the past it it's just an amazing product in comparison to some of the other stuff out there on the market uh we met with the finance director and he recommended going ahead and doing the payment upon receipt as opposed to a few a prepay um where he
get slight discount he felt that he could do better with the money investing it on the city's behalf so with that you have a firet truck that will be here in three years if you approve it tonight and and as I've seen in past fire trucks that if you if you wait then
the cost goes up on average fire trucks are going up between six and 10% a year um it again as was just mentioned with the water department those supply chain issues they're real still I don't know how better to put it our brush truck that we built here in the city um we
ordered a hose rail for it and it took 11 months to come in yeah it used to be a stock item so um yeah better to order now we actually took some of the some of the different features off of this truck to get it down to a three-year build time um if you go like some of the
Departments up north who go with all the bells and whistles they're up to a foure plus build time on some of those really big customized trucks so we're trying to make the tax SP as money go as far as we can and still get a product that meets our needs yeah and as our population Rises at that same rate um our Public
Safety is important you know we we need to ensure that we have our ampli fire service and we we appreciate all your support as you know you have fire headquarters coming up in the future you've got the rebuild of fire station 32 fire stations 35 and 36 plus these trucks that you've supported us on WE
greatly appreciate it yes sir thank you and item number c uh council member Gilbert yes mayor if if I may uh uh amend that to C D and K and the item number c which is an adoption of the rental fee waiver and reduction uh we
have done that in the past because uh what we're trying to do as a city what I believe was recouping the expenses that we have for these uh events uh fire police safety uh parks and wreck
um and I know that some folks would like these waivers to be put in place but there's expenses to do events and I've done it we did my company does events the year round so I I think that the the cost again it can be just at Cost but
writing a waiver at no cost is taxing the citizens of the city of St Cloud that might NE not necessarily be a part of that program so I would just like to reinforce that the fees are just to cover our cost and that the waiver fees
uh I have to look at it as a whole and and you know I've talked about things we were here to protect the citizens but there's some citizens that aren't into the uh bird watching Society so to speak but we need to have additional staff to do that so uh I'm in favor of continuing
the the the no uh no uh waiver fee for these just to cover our cost for the citizens of St Cloud if that makes sense to you mayor and and Council as we said that we did that we passed that resolution I think it was last year the year before so I I just think it's a
good resolution I I'm not against npos I'm not against any of that but there are cost factors for everything we do within the city and as you said earlier uh safety is one of the most important thing so so that's my comment on on c um
these are just comments you're you don't want to change that your nope I don't I just want to explain to the citizens sometimes we give them acronyms and we give them information that they don't quite understand why we're doing some things and I just want to in this public forum to explain that and then the same
thing as arle construction with the Chism boat ramp those boat ramps were built in 1992 uh they don't they're not safe uh it's a great Park and we are investing the taxpayers dollars to do that which is going to be a great product uh we
given that uh facility from uh oo County years ago but it was in some disarray so I think those boat ramps and those things that we're doing and investing in in in the city is is a great thing so I just wanted to comment on that I don't want any changes but I just want to explain to the ciens we are trying to
make you know let's let's face it you know St Cloud used to be the greatest secret it's no longer a secret we're the best place to live best people and and the best city in in in Florida and you would probably see that if anybody the news that we were voted the number one
safest city in the State of Florida so so those are things that I think the public needs to know and I think we need to go on record record for that and uh I love the idea of our radios with Orange County right now we're encrypted now if we need to help
out Orange County or SEO County our radios are encrypted we don't have to go to a fire station and ask for the radios and I think the fire department has a big kudos to that to to be able to respond quicker by using technology uh to to to do that and with that I just
yield back those are things I just wanted to mention through this agenda that the citizens St Cloud I I believe they're entitled to to understand why we why we do these things now yeld back to you mayor yes sir thank you and I wanted to pull item L
um Council you know we had a few workshops where we discussed the veterans advisory Council um uh the veterans Council for the city council the St Club veterans Council which is the first oila County's never had one city cm's never had one
this is the first one I think it's it's groundbreaking it fits right in with Soldier City we have Lissa right here is very proud of our of our heritage here in the city um so w with that I I was speaking with with a number of other folks and you know we had talked about
10 uh a combination of 10 citizens or organizations that the council would be able to select and five of the designated seats for say State represent Paul Stark Congressman soda's office or their design um we have uh somebody from
Senator Rick Scott's office but I'd like to add two more seats on that side uh and one for Senator Ashley Moody who's our new US senator uh somebody from her office obviously she probably won't be able to be the one on it but um and also i' had spoken with uh John new street
from the Osa chamber and he has interest in this and I believe that's important to um we'll gain access to a much larger Network outside of St Cloud and that's what we're really trying to do is do everything we can to help our St Cloud veterans with this in our community so
I'd like to um make a motion to add those two seats for Senator Ashley Moody and the Ula chamber if that's okay attorney so thank you so the the current makeup of the board then would
would increase from 15 to 17 members yes sir okay and just as what so when we drafted this we followed historically how things are done typically when there's a board that that is made up of City residents and non- City residents we typically want to make sure that the
quarum number corresponds with the number of City residents right that's what we've done if the council's interested in following that path um we can we would then be changing the qu the number of City residents to be on the 17
member board it's currently listed at it's eight so then it would go to nine so that a majority of the board would be City residents if that's and I'm just pointing out historically if that doesn't matter then that's fine you know so yeah I don't know that that matters
when it comes to this type of a board I think we we need to kind of bring in as much help and I think uh there organizations around central Florida or obviously since we're adding Senator Moody obviously she somebody in her staff most likely will not be a resident of St Cloud or um I know John New Street
is not but he would like to be serving on that so what so the way we drafted it was the city the num the minimum number of the in the current version the minimum number of City residents is eight so in it was intended intentionally intended like that so that
the council would be appointing 10 members so basically the way it would work was the as I were Envision it eight of the council's 10 appointees would be City residents right and then all the other designated seats as you refer to which is what they are they could
essentially be anybody so those offices the chambers uh the Senator's office the house of representive sen and the state senator those could all be any anybody it's just the the 10 we if you're right we can just leave it at that that's fine see how it goes this we've talked about
this at the workshop this isn't going to be an involving committee it may change a couple times over probably changed several times over its lifetime so um but I just want to point that out yeah and maybe we not limit ourselves to um
can we do half of our board picks maybe five you can do it every yeah I just want to point out so we can have that discussion maybe one one in one yeah again we followed historically how we've done these special purpose committees in the past this is obviously a unique one obviously there's value into having as
many people on the board like this committee as this as possible so so um just tell us what number you want and there is the number okay would that be good minimum of five for for a quorum of but the Quorum would still be for a
meeting is still eight still going to be well with 17 the Quorum would be nine it'd be nine but we need a minimum of the selective the selected folks would have to be five city five City residents so if we agree each each one of us have one that's in the city can we put that
language in there that it's sure okay sure so we can put it in there that again the way we Chang it is now each council member will have two two appointees we can put it in there one of the council members too shall be a city resident perfect at least one there could be more but at least one okay okay
go ahead and make a motion on those changes for uh resolution number 20250 29r I make a motion uh to add a seat for Senator Ashley moody or
design and one for the Ula chamber or design and to uh at least one of each of the council members picks has to be a city resident uh but keeping of course we have the Quorum of nine right second second we have a second from council
member Urban Madame clerk please call the r Deputy Mayor Fletcher council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 all right we'll go back to the consent agenda motion to approve the consent
agenda we have a motion from council member Urban second second from council member Gilbert Madame clerk please call the RO council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z
all right next up is the citizens Forum any person who desires to comment on any item not on the agenda has provided this opportunity to address the city council each person is requested to complete a signin form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person
addresses the council and first up we have Alicia Young hi guys Alicia please state your name and address of the record um my name is Alicia Young and I'm at 424 Kentucky Avenue St Cloud Florida
34769 um I am here to um talk about a code compliance that I received on December 19th about a 8ft fence that I am required ing or possibly wanting to get for my great de I have I used to
have a six foot fence and they can literally jump right over it so I have a picture to show that my dog can actually jump over the fence if you can see it um so I did get uh I did talk to ever Cole
at the code um The Code Compliance or code supervisor and he told me about a variant that I could get for $500 that is a yes or no action it's give you guys $500 and it is a yes or no it's kind of a big gamble for me um I don't
mind paying for the fee but we all know 99.9% is going to say no because it's in the code that you can only have a six foot fence so today I'm just asking if we could possibly amend the code or give me a
um something you know um sorry a variance thank you a variance for this to just be able to have the eight foot fence due to safety of my dogs and also that they don't have harm or anything with them they're very very skittish so anytime I live a block away
from the fire department they will jump over the fence the minute the fire department goes off anytime there's a event fireworks anything like that they are just they're over it they could be over it within two seconds they can be over it within 30 seconds so the OT
fence is very needed for them and I'm just asking if we could possibly figure out a way to be able to keep the a foot fence council member Gilbert yeah um I would like to look at where where this uh property is located and if it's
impeding on any other citizens and uh I understand because I've had Australian sheep dogs they jump over 10 foot fences and frisbe also so I would like to see what it's affecting to the other citizens around if I may I don't know how to go about that mayor so I'm asking
you and the city manager to advise me City attorney yes so you cannot Grant a variance you don't have the authority there's a board of adjustments that can do that so you can of course review the code that's that that's being referred
to about the necessity of a six foot or an 8 foot fence and how to do that you do have the authority to change the code but tonight you can't Grant a variance if and the $500 she's referring to is to go through the board adjustment process and go in front of that board and seek a
variance um so those are your options to look at it and I think uh just we all these direction if the city want city council wants to explore amending the code uh we can do that Council uh deut
May Fletcher um I know that we we've spoken several times and I did see that you called me today but it's been a busy day and I didn't get back you um I have had several conversations with the city attorney um regarding your property um and and what we can do to kind of get you across the Finish Line If you will I
know it's a very unique situation um we you know so we could we could change the code and then we then we that would allow 8ot fences all over um say the grid you know for example which wouldn't necessarily be aesthetically pleasing for the whole grid you know to have walls everywhere um and the the when you
look at the code it would most likely I mean I can't speak for staff um you know probably go forward with a recommendation of of denial um but there are ways and perhaps staff could could speak to you um regarding it when you go
to present your case um that could provide cut me off if I'm not allowed to say anything property specific recommendations so that the approval could be only specific to your property based on certain conditions such as
again forgive me like like say you sell the property you know the dog gets older things of that nature um and fortunately you would have to go through that process and per se risk you know the $500 but I think if you went the route
in which you know the City attorney and I and you um H have discussed I think your chances would be a lot higher unfortunately we just don't have the authority to Grant the the variant on a on a whim here um and I think if we did change the code in its entirety it would
end up taking it would take quite some time to to change the code because it would have to go to Planning Commission it would have to go here it would have to go there um so those are my comments I well just if I could M council member we have discussed this anything that happens on a variance is specific to
that piece of property so the facts have to be unique enough as it relates to those things there is one threshold standard of review in a variance request and that is whether the need for the variance is basically caused by the applicant for the variance
and that might be a difficult one to address on that I'm not saying the board board of adjustment is an independent issue this this Council has no control over the board of adjustments they see me and penalty they look at it so but that is one of the threshold criteria to
Grant the variance is who how it did the applicant is the reason for the variance because of the the actions of the applicant and and that's one of the big issues with those um so we're happy to meet with her and disc discuss with it I think staff and know I speak for the
city manager um staff would spend some time and sort of like the pre-application process to go through it with her before she has to write a check yes we would but I I would tell you that that criteria that he just stated staff would have to recommend
denial so that is a denial if they create the issue yeah there's it's What's called the self-inflicted hardship that warrant for the for the variance request what if the dog creates the issue by growing too fast or just being a big
dog and there and and yeah so that's in that's in the code so uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um could we recommend denial denial with a recommendation of
well if you did then this is what you know the time frame and all of that stuff I can't speak for staff because they have to look at it and and remember the staff when they present cases in front of your board of adjustment they have to remain as consistent as possible
so they really can't do we did talk about and this is appropriate interv variance if they were to if a the board of adjustment were to agree that that threshold have been met the variance could be conditioned like you said on issues like if the house was ever sold or issues like that that the fence
couldn't stay at 8 ft you could do that but you still I think Mrs Miller is correct point out that that thir first threshold is going to be the diff most difficult piece of this but I had a great day and I love them and so I love them just where can we turn this ship a
little bit but I mean I think we can we can look at uh we can look at some of the reasoning if you want for the need for an 8ot fence I have been in this business a long time 8 feeted six foot fence has been the limitation that most communities have especially in the front
it's typically related to safety issu isues typically related to having to go on the side and not and the law enforcement not really knowing what's on the other side of the fence because it's 8T tall I have an idea normally I wouldn't say this from the dice what happens if you put a twoot
BM along the side and then put the fence on top can't do that I asked to put lattice on the top and I can't even do the lattice so it there's I put trees in front of it but it's in which
where what side of the of the yard is it the back or the side or what's it so the house is here and then of course it's you know in the middle of the house right in the front I mean when you're looking from the street the house is here and it's the easement of the the back of the easement you know where by
code it would go I don't know how to explain it the front fence like if this is the house this is the front of the house and that's but that's just a fence what if what if they built a a wall the wall could be they connected to
the house could they add on to the house and but it would still have six couldn't be any taller than taller than but um you know I I would say I have dogs also and um nobody likes to to
use the invisible boundaries and things like that but there are are other options we've tried everything um she just goes right over it I one of my dogs is 220 lb the other one's 140 and they just the the shot callers and I don't I
mean I have to put it up to 60 for him to just to say you know kind of so I don't want to keep doing that you know how often are they getting out jumping the fence um so it has been a very long process um I
actually had a job um at State Farm and I had to quit my job because I had to leave probably every hour to go get the dogs because they were just if they would go outside and a LGE loud car went by or they would she would just jump over and then I've I've had to go get them from the pound it's just been a lot
of you know stuff um one time I mean she even got stuck on the one time going over and nobody was home I just went to the store really quick and I had to run home and push her off because her pind legs got stuck so it's it's just been a
kind of and I figured an 8ft fence would be great but apparently it's it is great it actually stopped her from going for the last couple the last couple weeks um there was an incident across the street with a gentleman our neighbor with a lot of yelling and and the police coming and
uh she just barked and she never jumped over once I sat and watched her to make sure council member gilber uh just variance to that a multi-lane highway should be able to get a variance of an8 foot is are you by a multi-lane road I am actually I'm not by a highway I'm on
right on the state streets I'm probably three blocks away from here so um but when you guys close down the the city for anything any events that you guys have anything downtown or anything at the lakefront the fireworks anything that goes on my my street is the first
street that is open so that becomes pretty much at any event 192 and we don't have any sidewalks we don't have anything there so you do have a lot of lot a lot of cars and a lot of yelling or kids or anything like that so it does on any events it's wide open for that
okay city manager I just ask if staff can go through every possible scenario if they can find a way if not you know that's the I understand that the um what the City attorney was saying obviously that that the reason if if it's caused by the applicant then it's a it's a reason to
deny but if there's a way to uh make it possible anyway um that's within the code then if we can at least look at it so thank you for your time thank you okay next we have the late View
Elementary Community Club been patient this why hello everyone my name is Stephanie Dunn and I live out in the manor on Packer have um but these my friends that live right downtown and we
go around to the community and do lots of fun different things and we also do things like tonight where we have to have lots of patience and sit through long meetings and like be still and that's important part of government too is to learn how to be respectful and to
sit through meetings and to to understand what goes on and that you're away from your families you're missing dinner it's really late it's almost time for bedtime like this is what you do every single month like so we're we give just give them you Kudos so what we're going to do is we are
going to read a letter really quickly and I'm just going to ask permission to approach you is that okay if they can absolutely so they're learning to hand something to you and shake with the appropriate hand look you in the eyes be bold and be confident just like this you ready okay hi my name is Stephanie thank
you for the our police officers and our water and I would walk over to a hi my name is cam um dear City cancel thank you for for running the community for us love cam W
you nice enough hi hi my name is m we can so thank you for service water and keeping our streets clean hi my name is Lena and um thank
you for fixing our roads our homes and our and cleaning our roads we did a lot of research on all these committees hi my name is Jackson thank you for fixing our fence and making our
playground hello my name is Nikki and thank you for keeping me safe and help fixing problems you get the mayor here try that hello my my name is Kai dear city
council thank you for the water from Kai way oh there you go yeah my name is Alison dear city council thank you for our rose water in houses hello my name is uh Elizabeth um
dear city council thank you for hiring officers getting garbage trucks and hiring firefighters and Medics for us thank you so much for this opportunity for our kids to be able to bold and speak proudly thank you so much that was [Applause]
amazing uh coun hold on hey kids hold on a second we want to talk to you for a second no come on up here Y come on up council member oh I was just going to ask if we could get a picture with him as a former myself I'm so PR y want to go down there with him
start yes go dolin all right next up we have Lisa Rodrick good evening I'm Lisa rodri I live at 461 clay Drive in St Cloud um regarding the veterans advisory
Council are city's been all about veterans right from the very beginning the town was created by Veterans for veterans the national Tribune a Washington DC based newspaper that was by for and about Union veterans
created the town in 1909 they made the first land offer proposed The Colony made the land offer uh just to test the waters to see if people would be interested in moving to Central Florida boy did they ever I
mean veterans came here from all over the country from Maine to California we even have one in the cemetery from Alaska um so and stcloud became a Boom Town 20 years later though in
1929 things were looking very Bleak um the country was on the brink of the Great Depression St Cloud was facing really hard times and a declining population more than half of St Cloud's Union vets
had died in the 1920s decade and the few that remained were all over 80 and dropping off pretty quickly so the city was in desperate need of Rejuvenation and what St Cloud did in
1929 was look to its past to find a future and they decided having this remain a vetrans town uh but reestablishing that identity that they had created 20 years earlier
was the way to go so they created a special publicity mission to come up with a nationwide ad campaign to attract younger veterans younger meaning from post Civil War
Spanish American War and World War I veterans and they made a land offer similar to what the national Tribune did this time they offered 1,000 free City lots to any qualified veteran
um and the national Tribune as our City's founder agreed to sponsor the promotion one of their tasks was to create a catchy marketing slogan and they were really bad at that
at first um for a long while they were stuck on the original solders home of Florida which makes the town sound like it's a nursing home with everybody you know with one foot in the grave there really was not going to cut it until some
someone came up with the phrase Soldier City it was succinct it was to the point it was catchy I mean it was brilliant you keep talking oh thank you um the
citizens of St Cloud loved it and to the point where they wanted to back this land offer giveaway wholeheartedly by donating money in the Great Depression there were people who donated as much as $100 which
was a lot of money in 1929 people donated City Lots if they owned two lots they would donate one to the city uh people who could afford to like the kempers or Mr Hunter who owned Hunter's arms donated 50 Lots each so
there was a tremendous amount of support this slogan Soldier City went out on the national wires with help from the national Tribune being the national newspaper all across the country and it worked it didn't ease the
pain of the depression but it brought new blood into the town when it was desperately desperately needed um all that people who who signed up for the program had to do the lot was free every
person who responded had to pay a $100 deposit $100 to cover taxes for the next 10 years must have been a pretty nice tax rate back then but the point of this is that like I said
earlier St Cloud has been all about our veterans from the very beginning Soldier city is what we are uh it's our our Legacy it's our identity and I would suggest that we return to
that thank you if you have any questions please let me know yes thank you Lisa no I love everything you do obviously with the history of St Cloud and with the cemetery I visited that walk through the stones with with you and uh um uh um
Michael wager was down there Michael W Michael yeah there's a few Wagers so just wanted to make sure I got the right one yeah that was amazing of course council member Paul was down there talking about the history that she knew in the area so I appreciate you thank you very much we're going to be talking about that more more as this goes on with the veterans Council and what we're
going to do I know we're talking about using utilizing veterans part more in the near future so and I hope we do that as well uh this is what built the town this is what this is why the town exists yes ma'am thank you yeah thank you very much
I appreciate you all right our next section will be the public hearings uh city clerk please final public read number one public hearing number one final public hearing from ordinance number 22451 in ordinance of the city council of the city of St CLA Florida amending chapter
3 Performance and City standards by amending article 14 titled use reg regulations Section 314.23 of the Land Development code and by using sitting standards for many warehouse and storage facilities providing for severability SC scrier areas conflict codification and
effective date good evening Melissa dunan director of Community Development this case before you tonight is for the proposed amendment to the Land Development code for many warehouse and storage facilities um at a city council meeting
Workshop held in March of 2021 staff was directed to create specific architectural standards for the many warehouses and storage facilities the proposed Land Development code Amendment proposes to add design standards update the primary and prohibited uses add
secondary allowable uses and reorganize the ordinance to consolidate and make this section more comprehensible at the November 14th 2024 city council meeting council member Gilbert motion to continue this ordinance to the February 13th meeting
which is tonight um to allow more time um to review the proposed changes to the current mini warehouse and storage facility standards in addition to the primary use of storage we are adding Provisions to allow for secondary uses on the ground
for floor level of the storage facilities um if they have uh drive-thru Lanes then they must be located on the side or rear of the building and for any secondary uses such as truck rentals a
maximum of two trucks may be parked for display facilities shall not be used for residential purposes storage of any weapons Firearms or ammo storage of any illegal substances or storage of
animals in order to preserve valuable commercial Frontage along major roadways in the city the minimum height of the Min warehouses must be two stories and the maximum height shall be three stories if it is adjacent to single family zoned areas uh we are proposing
to limit the curb cuts to two on any block face with no more than three total for any parcel we are proposing to require interior access to units that um so that the warehouse doors are not the predominant feature of the building
facade and we are restricting the visibility of the warehouse doors from the street uh the required number of Design Elements will be based on the square footage of the building and some of the design
requirements uh include uh the base of the building shall be differentiated from the rest of the facade All facades Shall incorporate no less than two building materials building monotony shall be prevented the color palette shall complement adjacent buildings
dominant entry way shall reinforce character of the building and the building facades visible from the right of way shall have an appearance of an office or retail building um a few more design requirements the lighting provided um
shall accentuate features and provide a safe environment allowable materials are defined in the ordinance uh solid blank walls shall be avoided and minimum transparent material usage is established okay outdoor storage will be
permitted only in the side or rear yard and shall be entirely screened from view of adjacent non-industrial property and public rights of wayss the screening shall be uh six a 6ot masonry wall at a
minimum both staff and Planning Commission recommended approval likewise it is requested that this city council approve ordinance number 224-5184 all right thank you would anyone in the audience like to address this issue or this
item all right council member Gilbert yeah that was a lot that was uh quite a bit and I know our City's growing and um I know that the storage facilities now are going into the Pud area not the the the facility of one
story but um as a councilman it that land is so valuable 192 I don't think there're going to be storage units there I can't predict the future but I I think this ordinance should just be um passed passed on not passed because I I just
there's so many regulations that it's stopping consumers from doing this and and and the funny thing about storage is We As Americans we get so much stuff we put it in the storage unit we don't see it for 10 years and we just pay our bill it's the weirdest thing ever uh so I I
would recommend us not going any further with this ordinance and just just um how do you say it uh canceling it are you recommending Denial on this ordinance or I'm just recommending denial you're making motion to denial i' let's go ahead and listen to Deputy Mayor Fletcher first um I agree um a lot of
the stuff that's covered in this this ordinance is actually covered in State Statute um not all of it um I would second council member Gilbert's motion for Denial on this all right we have a motion for Denial on ordinance number 202 24- 51 and a second a motion from council member Gilbert a second for
denial from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madam clerk please call the RO council member Urban I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 z uh Madam clerk please call the next
item final public hearing for ordinance number 202 24-85 an ordinance of the city council a city of St Cloud Florida establishing the proposed property known as Lakeside AA for further further described here in and recognizing the Lakeside AAA Community Development District created by chartered uniform
general laws and uniform Community Development District Act of Florida Chapter 190 Florida Statutes 2 2001 and Hereafter acknowledging the uniform District Charter expressed in section 19.6 through 19041 Florida Statutes and reference is
provided by section 1904 subsection 4 Florida Statutes and confirmed by section 189 31 sub subsection 3 Florida statute establishing the district on the property proposed in this petition and designating the initial members of The District Board of Supervisors and
recognizing and designing the powers of the district providing for severability and effective date good evening Melissa dunan again director of Community Development uh the applicant is petitioning to establish a Community Development district for the
project known as lak site at ctia Lakeside at CA is a PUD that was approved on August 10th 2023 which was approved for 402 single family detached homes with vehicular access to Lilian Lee Road and nor Tyson Road um the
uniform Community Development District act chapter 190 of Florida Statutes permits the creation of Community Development districts for the provision of community development services and Facilities the purpose of this CDD will be to plan Finance
acquire uh construct operate and maintain at least the following which includes sanitary sewer facilities water Distribution Systems reuse Water Systems storm water systems electrical service systems conservation mitigation on and offsite public roadway improvements and
other infrastructure the Lakeside at ctia CDD provides enhancements beyond the requirements of the Land Development code which include active recreational amenities open space enhancements and Parks Transportation enhancements
roadway maintenance storm water and right upway maintenance staff recommends approval and likewise it is requested that this Council approve ordinance number 202 24-85 and we are available if you have any questions and um the applicant is
also present and available for questions all right with the applicant like to speak on the side item good evening for the record come reality 41 East Jackson Street in Tampa um we don't have our presentation prepared uh the purpose of the CDD while there's a long list of items there and
of course it's important for construction but what this method of um quasi quasi governmental entity does is it allows the roads to get built and maintained without the city having to do that um and so it largely works as a as a way to uh finance and maintain storm
water roadways and then that initial install of um sewer water and other utilities uh so we do have our team here if there are any questions um but otherwise we respectfully request your approval yes thank you uh council member Fletcher I'm sorry Gilbert yeah um I
I've ran into cdds and a guy named Mr Moyer started a mid celebration uh in the central Florida area uh for the developments of Celebration and also Harmony uh I as a u council member look at as a good thing uh to less burden the
citizens of St Cloud for some of these things that you'll be taking care of such as roads and and lights and structures and things such as that um the people that live there will be paying probably a two tier CDD one when they move in and then uh one gets adjusted each year is that correct sir
so uh uh yes there's um not all of the infrastructure will be funded with the CDD but there's some bonding that does and the CDD can Bond uh much like the city does which is an advantage to to to uh using a CDD and so then there's assessments that get uh applied to each
lot but then there's also uh maintenance and um and then annual things that have to be done to maintain storm water mostly but also the roadways you know in 40 years if those have to get resurfaced then um they could take out um bonds again to to do those repairs so that uh
the city doesn't have to step in and do that so the the mechanism for storm water and Roads is the biggest thing long term but in the short term they build everything which is really helpful and and I I understand that and usually roads have to be resurfaced after 7 to 10 years depending on their usage uh the
second part of a CDD though um can be adjusted or increased uh for maintenance purposes is that cck sir right there there's the annual assessment there'll there'll be a budget and there's a board that's actually elected so uh the the members of the community will elect their representatives on the CDD board
so after the developer finishes construction there's a turnover process so citizens sit on that board and they will control the budget and control the maintenance and so the the it's really one assessment but the assessment will include covering the debt and then it also includes whatever the the annual
maintenance is and one last question you you say the board will be turned over to the uh citizens that live there what is the percentage before the the builders in come in and turn that over to the to the to the citizens board um so it's
often time um I don't have a good answer for that we have Jeremy that yeah thank you Jeremy thank you all so much my name is jar Earlywine I'm with qtac rock uh we represent probably 400 of the thousand plus cdds in Florida and have been doing it for about 20
something years um the CDD board actually potentially can turn over earlier than an HOA if you think of an HOA um it's usually driven by the documents they turn over at 90 95% buildout uh CDD has elections every two years and um the seats are staggered there's five seats and so in a certain
year you might have two or three seats up for election as soon as 50% of the land is transferred you can actually start having those seats transferred when you get to year six though and you have 250 residents living in the community at that point they're mandated to start uh turning over to residents at
that point um so they can turn over earlier um but uh the the drop dead date is when you get to year six but they can certainly turn over in any of those even numbered uh elections mayor that's all the questions I yield back thank you
um city manager I know and I had just this came to mind this was the one that they were burning on the property uh it's not relevant to what's on the agenda here but um wer we we're going to come back in the future and talk about um a code to talk about that kind of stuff yes that we'll address that okay
yes so yes it is the property that that they were burning but my understanding is that they have since gone and worked with the gentleman who complained and I believe it's all resolved but yes further fire chief is working with the City attorney on an ordinance to prevent us those situations in the future
awesome yeah you I knew you all address that I just knew that we were going to work on something just cross my mind while we were thinking talk about it so thank you very much I appreciate that and do we have anybody anyone in the audience like to address this item all right any more comments from
Council and Madam do we have a motion on this item motion to approve a motion from deputy mayor Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member
irin hi mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z Madam clerk please read the next item final public hearing for ordinance number 202-0181 identifies Lal Avenue located north of Cyprus Avenue East of Henry J Avenue and west of Lal Avenue owned by sine Duke
and chanal borne and kiry Dustin Cole amending the boundary lines of the municipality to remove the properties from ordinance number 202 24- 52 due to Res scribers error providing for severability conflicts publication and effective date good evening Melissa dunan director
of Community Development this request before you tonight is for the contraction annexation for the property known as LEL Avenue through a scrier error two Parcels that did not meet state requirements for voluntary annexation
were annexed this contraction will remove the two Parcels from the city limits and return them uh back to the unincorporated status uh the ordinance will remove the two Parcels depicted in Blue from the
city's jurisdiction and return them to unincorporated Oola County staff recommends approval Planning Commission also recommended approval likewise it is requested that city council approve ordinance number
20251 Staff is available for any questions so this means it's going back to the county from the city that's the whole that is correct the legal description um was incorrect and so U we inadvertently annexed um two properties
that should not have been annexed we we did not have owner authorization and so we are returning them back to the county how do they feel about that I think they're Happ they got noticed just I don't know where they okay I mean
eventually will that area be in the city that's within the J eventually okay all right all right is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on this item any Council discussion motion to approve we have a
motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Gilbert Madam clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5
Z Madam clerk please read the next item final public hearing for ordinance number 20252 in ordinance of the city of St Cloud of the city council of city of St Cloud of AA County Florida amending city code chapter 44 utilities by amending section 44-31 adopting too paga Water
Authority policies and adding section 44-32 new individual resident and general Services providing for cability conflict Administration Corrections codification effective date good evening Melissa dunan uh this ordinance proposes an amendment to add
deleted language and renumber chapter 44 of the city code ordinance number 20 22-56 was adopted at the September 21st 2022 city council meeting uh the ordinance inadvertently and without
intent repealed section 44-392 of the city code which sets forth the applicants requirements for compliance prior to provision of water and sewer services this ordinance puts the language back into the city
code staff recommends approval and requests that Council approve ordinance number 202-02 Staff is available if you have any questions what's the full name of too I want to hear Melissa say it oh
too debut mayor Fletcher I know he knows all right pwa yes all right anyone in the audience like to speak on this item all right any member uh council members comments you you know when I make a
mistake at work it doesn't have to get advertised whoever made there is like motion to she didn't say it so I want to see motion to approve we have a motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the role council
member Paul hi Council M urber I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z all right Madam clerk please read the next item public hearing for resolution number 20251 a resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida and
granting a conditional use to operate a private school in the r1b single family dwelling zoning District approximately 2.46 Acres of the land land known as Christ centered academics generally located north of East ear Bronson Memorial High Highway of Old Hickory Tree Road East of Old Hickory Tree Road
and West of Dean Street and south of 10th Street as described in the body of this resolution good evening Melissa dunan this case before you is for a conditional use permit request um for the project known as Christ centered
academics conditional use the property is generally located near the intersection of Old Hickory Tree Road and East ear Bronson Memorial Highway the future land use is low density residential and the zoning is
r1b residential the proposed conditional use is for a private school and the applicant is proposing to operate Monday through Thursday from 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. and the proposed student capacity is 14 students including the grades of 1
through 12 at the December 20 sorry at the December 17th 2024 Planning Commission concerns were raised by citizens about traffic due to the operations of the food uh Pantry on site and the uh
concern was traffic backing up onto 192 and Old Hickory Tree Road due to the existing church and the food pantry operating on this site staff believes that adding the private school would increase the traffic that is already backed up into the city's rights of
way they are proposing to operate in an existing modular Building located on the bottom right of your screen highlighted in yellow staff does recommend denial of this conditional use Planning Commission recommended
approval with the following conditions for so long as the I'm just going to read them for the record for so long as the permitted as the use permitted here under continues in the event that stacking or standing of vehicles encroaches into the public right of way or otherwise
interferes with the flow of vehicular traffic as determined by the city this resolution may be brought back before the city council for review and consideration of additional conditions to address traffic issues or possible revocation of the rights granted here
under in perpetuity changes to the site will require approval of a site development plan or any additional approvals required by the Land Development code and the final condition is this approval is for this school Christ centered
academics only upon this school leaving the subject property the conditional use shall expire staff recommends denial of resolution 202-1342 B of the Land Development code and request that city council also deny
residence resolution number 20251 R staff is available for questions and I believe the applicant is here as well okay thank you uh before the applicant uh I want to recognize council member Gilbert first yeah I will need to recuse myself
from thank you sir all right would the applicant like to speak on this item name and address for the record please sorry good evening my name is Anette Moore I live at 6375 Carol Circle St Cloud Florida
34771 I'm the principal of the school it's a very small school there's only 13 children in enrolled um we have three staff members um all of the children are exceptional students who really don't do
well in the regular Public School System they're all on scholarships from the government um the most of them it used to be called the McKay now it's called the um UE um scholarship for Unique
abilities um like I say very very small school uh the car situation of the uh food pantry has been resolved uh the church has altered its organization and there are no more Vehicles stacking
anywhere the cars coming park on the parking lot get their food and then leave and there's not been any stacking of traffic for at least a month since the last meeting that we were in when the pastor himself asked for um an
extension so that they could solve that problem um the staff uh had three cars and I think think there's a grand total of five cars that bring children to school because one family is actually
three families but one car brings all three families and picks them up so um and we have several families where it's two or three children from that particular family so we don't have a lot of cars involved with the
school um and um I think that's about it really um unless you have any questions council member uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just had two questions um first first of all thank you for everything that you do in the community I know with
the the food pantry you work um with several different organizations um in the community um hand inand to to serve those that need and I appreciate all your efforts and and the pastor and everybody out there so thank you um um second or I'm sorry first in one of the
conditions and this is a question for the the City attorney um it used the word perpetuity as in forever but they if they had an issue they could come back in the future on that property and ask for a new conditional use or something like it just wouldn't last forever well it does
become it does last forever except for as the conditions that are set forth in there so you can restrict it if if you want to but otherwise it becomes basically the Zoning for the property until it's changed okay um and then my other question was the the school pickup
is not going to be at the same time as the no the no school drop off is at 8 and the pantry doesn't open until 9: and school pickup is at 4 and the pantry is finished before noon okay um so so with
that I know there's going to be um maybe discussion I would um recommend approval with staff's recommendation thank you thank you staff's recommendation was denial I'm sorry with staff with the conditions that are listed we got it all right thank you m Mor
thank you thank you that a motion that is a motion should we hear public comment first or do we have to take the mo the item the motion on the table well you can't before you take vote you should have it so you can get a second for the motion or a second for the
motion all right we're going to go and open it back up for public comment we have Dr Ren Moore should I State on the record motion dies for lack of second um that that yeah well that Mo that that motion does yes okay
um my name is Shen Moore I live at 3855 Santa Cedro Circle 34772 good evening M mayor Robertson and city council um I app appreciate you allowing me the
time to speak and I'm here to talk about why I don't think Christ centered academic should be opened in stcloud Florida I know City staff has recommended denial but I wanted you to hear my story I went to Christ centered academics in 2022 to
2023 and there were a lot of things that were really bothered me while I was there a lot of kids I went to school with had challenges and they Pro probably can't speak up about it so I feel like I have to say something for
them so the main problems were that the teacher was very unfair and mean and this was also the director Mrs Moore she didn't allow anyone to question her if you did she'd punish you
by making you sit outside the room or moving your seat to isolate you her grandson was spanked in front of everyone in class watching that was upsetting and embarrassing for him and for the rest of us the unsafe behavior from other students there was a student
who touched other kids inappropriately but Mrs Moore didn't really do anything about it she just made him sit alone but that then solved the problem and made the rest of us feel unsafe the classroom windows were nailed
shut so if there was ever a fire we wouldn't have a way to get out the younger kids were put in the back of the house where there wasn't even an exit they could used in an emergency there were almost 20 kids at the school but
there was only one bathroom for all of us to share the staff didn't wash their hands or wear gloves when handling food this was really gross and made me worried about getting sick I hope you take these things seriously because kids deserve a safe
Fair to learn what I saw and experienced at the school wasn't safe or fair and I don't think it's a good idea to let them open a location here in St Cloud Florida thank you for listening to me oh my light was just
on next we have sorry uh next we have Luke Anthony and may I please have your name and address for the record please uh Luke Anthony 1215 Old Hickory Tree Road with the alter church I'm the pastor there I've been there about six months
now I want to thank you all council members City Manager for um giving us the time to work this out you know this is our our community we take community in our church were named very seriously like it's important to us I've been in
St Cloud since 1985 grew up here you know when it was a on lane road and and it's near and dear to my heart that we have uh everything we need to meet the needs of our community and I want to apologize for the traffic situation for taking up your valuable time and and
being part of that um we didn't realize the the problems that was causing really I mean we were just getting into it and involving and the pantry went to the drive-thru during covid just so that it could continue to meet the needs of the community when we were social distan and spreading out so it just being a
continuation of that had just been what we'd always done so finding out these uh issues and situations coming up to your city council really uh you know disturbed us that we weren't being good neighbors that we were impacting businesses around us creating unsafe conditions and stuff like that in our
community which is the opposite of what we're trying to do so I apologize for that and and we're we're here to do better uh on January 15th we went from being a drive-through Pantry to a walk up pantry where people Park and they walk inside and they register and they're talked
with and we're opening up uh meetings with other 501 c3s and other agencies that can help them and be there at that check-in time to say hey do you need help with your insurance do you need help with other things in your in your life so this has been a real blessing and disguise that we've gotten to to
change to a a walkup pantry now and alleviate no more stacking cars no more standing cars no more cars on 192 it's all been super uh amazing to get to be face Toof face with people and have that that personal connection that we were lacking there so um it was really
exciting to to be able to do that with our community but you know the pantry people are desperate they were they were lined up for hours before we started you know and that's why that line was being there but then being desperate for food there's also other needs that we want to to meet in our community like the the
school you know that's a vital part of community is having a safe place or uh you know educ place for those with special needs to be and that's part of our heart is to be able to reach every layer of community we have you know from school to Pantry to Narcotics Anonymous that meet on our
property that we we want to touch every every heart in this community is what we want to be involved in and uh I thank you guys for partnering us thank you for everything you guys do for this community um I'm super proud to be part of St Cloud for for 38 years now you
know remembering was small but I don't I'm not one of the ones that look at it and go man I missed back no I love what we've become and the the change in the community and the growth in the community is amazing thank you uh uh chief for making us the safest city in Florida so thank you all and God bless
you yes sir thank you all right would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item yes sir name and address for the the record sir hello uh James Moore 3855 San Circle uh my son is Draven who got his spoke earlier um and I appreciate that he had
the courage to get up and speak to you guys um I just want to also share some facts and I know that it's a matter of public record so Draven was a student at that uh School removed him due to the situations that we encountered there um but I also want to bring to the
record that twice the school has been shut down by the city uh for not following a proper code uh they were shut down they initially had requested to the house that was on Vermont a was denied uh
City fire inspector I believe was uh Chief Miller denied them uh the house was not set up they still operated that school in that house they were told they need to close down they went and opened up another development over on um can't remember
name of the street advertising as a uh tutoring center but that was not what it was used for it was used as a schooling system so once again they were shut down so I appreciate that she wants home to school I appreciate what she does her unique
educational students but there's a history of not following the rules doing what they want to do um while my student my son was a student there they're in a classroom with the windows are nails shut um he he tached on it shortly but kids were in the back of the house where if there was a fire these young kids
were going to perish due to the lack of uh concerns there was no sprinkl so a lot of stuff that needs to be done was not done and she just operated in a in a manner that not a representing of city of St Cloud thank you all right
thank you Mr all right I have a few comments on this um one I I have seen the stacking issue in the past along one 92 and that did concern me of course um that's not really applicable to the school but ites does indicate that there's an issue with
with cars being able to to park on that property and properly um I would like to make a motion to move this item to the next meeting I would like to gather more information I I want to see your
plan uh Pastor Anthony I know you've emailed me and we communicated briefly I would like to come out there and you show me and staff maybe other council members individually uh what you've done to alleviate that that issue um I would also like to ask the city manager um if
the fire department if there are issues with um some of the structures not being proper you know the the uh if it's fire exting uh suppression systems if it's Windows nail shut any of those issues that were brought up tonight I don't know those are factual but I I I would
like to address those if we can uh yes we can inspect the property I believe they were talking about a previous location they're not allowed to operate there currently so I would assume that there's no students there now okay okay I'm I'm just trying to clear
all anything that's been addressed here tonight and I appreciate you coming up and speaking uh we have uh council member Urban yeah I I I would agree with continuing to do some some more um research on this but I full disclosure I
I did uh go meet with the pastor on site I I have uh utmost respect for faith-based education and and what um churches like this do for the community um I also had have heard the concerns um
that were spoken about tonight uh and I just want to make sure I I I would assume um if it's a a charter school it has all of the state certifications and fire certification safety is definitely top priority as well so I just would like to to look into this a little more
and also ensure that that stacking issue isn't isn't happening anymore on on Hickory treeo because that that is a safety issue as well yeah council member Paul um I agree as what council member Urban and the mayor has suggested
continuing it um and I also would like to say thank you for um being a resource to the community to those that are in need um thank you for all that you do and Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just want to say for the record I was unaware of of the items that were spoken about
um this evening and then as far as the food distribution and stuff I do want to you know continue to say thank you I would support a continuance um but I did want to go on the record and say that the issues that were brought up this evening um I was unaware of when making my motion so thank
you thank you we just we need to continue it to the March 13th meeting yes sir yep we have a motion to continue to March 13th second uh we have a motion of second from uh council member Urban Madam clerk please call the role council
member Gilbert not oh excuse me uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member Urban hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4 Z Madam clerk please Le uh read the next item public hearing for resolution number 20253 r a resolution of the city
of St Cloud Florida granting conditional use to operate his storage facility in the Stevens Plantation corporate campus PUD zoning District on approximately 2.2 Acres land known as cloud storage generally located north of Niti Road and East of pine Chase Circle and west of Progress Lane as described in the body
of this resolution good evening Melissa dunan again this case before you tonight is for a conditional use permanent request for the project known as cloud storage the property is generally located at the
Northwestern end of the progress Lane culdesac the future land use is low density residential and the zoning is Stevens Plantation PUD the applicant is proposing to have a storage facility
with uh a three-story climate controlled interior storage units perimeter dry B and finston with security gates here's the map that shows the zoning as PUD here's the map that shows the land use
as low density residential and this um graphic shows the circulation for garbage pickup here's a graphic representation of the proposed structure here's the proposed South elevation this is the proposed East
Elevation staff is recommending approval with seven conditions so please bear with me while I read them for the record the approval of the requested conditional use does not constitute the
approval of the provided concept plan as a site plan changes to the site will require approval of a site development plan and any additional approvals required by the Land Development code vehicles for high are not permitted at this
location a 6-ft masonry wall shall be required along the western boundary property line located in such a way that the existing trees remain intact and healthy a minimum of four Design Elements must be provided access to the
individual storage unit shall not be visible from the street unless located behind windows and may be only accessed from interior spaces of the building direct views of the access to the individual storage unit shall be shall
extend a minimum of 3 ft behind the window building facade shall have the appearance of an office building using appropriate building and Design Elements buildings constructed on a corner shall place the dominant entry on the corner
at a diagonal the use of a curval linear element for this entryway is strongly encouraged a dominant entryway shall be constructed to reinforce the character of the building add visual interest break up the monotony of flat services at a vertical element to break up the
facade of the building to and create an inviting entrance by using distinctive architectural elements materials and special lighting staff recommends approval uh Planning Commission did recommend approval with the first two conditions
um staff added conditions 3 through 7 after Planning Commission and we are requesting that city council approve resolution number good evening mayor excuse me mayor and Council Don huy with asky Huey 25 East
13th Street St Cloud Florida um first I'd like to ask I was a little confused earlier uh because it relates to this uh item was uh ordinance 20- 202 24- 51 was that denied this
evening it sounded as it yes it was it was denied okay that being said with an approval tonight I would like to remove the conditions 3 through 7 because they seem to coincide with that denial this evening staff would you like to address
this Melissa yes so since staff was not sure if Council would approve the uh ordinance that was in fact denied we did add these special conditions of approval because the zoning here is for a PUD so
the um zoning was intended to create a specific um place where they had enhanced architectural features and and uses that are very in character with that area so we feel that this type of
use is appropriate but it needs to be done with um enhanced architectural standards and not taking um up too much um of the land that we um have reserved
for the corporate campus so that that does require them to build a more compact um building at a at higher um stories which we believe is in character with that area so you're saying you want to keep the conditions on there correct
please thank you you want to put the conditions back up on the screen so if you want me to explain the conditions just a little bit or no Mr H that's three four and five and six and seven six all of three through seven
okay all right I'm going to open up for public comment we have Dwayne Norman in the mayor council staff uh Dwayne Norman 35 I'm already getting my time off 3551 Buckingham court so um try to talk fast then I know a few of you know
I live right across the street there um I know you know this is not how the corporate campus was sold to us that built 18 years ago in Stevens's Plantation in the Estates okay um so originally this was
sold as a corporate campus slmed offices you know the original strip malls that have some dentist and some physical therapy and things that was exactly what uh we had envisioned uh we ended up with Apartments which thank you God for letting y'all buy the old school which
was going to be four-story Apartments so thank you very much for doing that but this is definitely not what that area is meant to be okay the city might need storage but that area is not made for storage units uh the poor people that are just to the West I don't know if you can put the map back up for me they're
going to have a three story or two story going to have a storage unit in their backyard and I guarantee you some of those people probably live there for decades um but this is not how the corporate campus was sold to the citizens of St Cloud or the residents of Steven Plantation um I take offense to
the staff um approving and think this is a good idea for this area um it is land use designation of low density residential I think that's how it should stay I don't think uh we should put many storages there and the conditional use is consistent with the general pattern
of development in the area I don't see that I don't understand that I don't see any I'm just on that map there you don't see any Mini Storages in that area you know um you don't see any Mini Storages till you get out on cano Creek Road or maybe um OKO Creek Road but in this
residential neighborhood that was supposed to have a corporate campus it was never by the designers intended for storage units so I would definitely beg you to deny storage units going on that parcel please thank you all right thank you sir and would anyone else in the
audience like to address this item all right Deputy Mayor Fletcher um so when I seen this come across my desk it said cloud storage I thought it was actual Cloud servers I was like whoa this is a this would be a great project let's see with Plantation um but unfortunately
um you know after you know hearing the comments and and thinking about it a little bit more um you know being right up against those residents I know you got the the six foot wall and and all of this um but I don't know those are my
comments which isn't much all right and council member Urban yeah so U one second Don go ahead council member my my thoughts you know with are I know uh probably Dan could speak to this a lot more but I know the original intentions
for the corporate campus were to have um higher wage jobs in bringing into our city um and and you know it's um if this um were to be approved I would want to keep the conditions I think we denied uh
the ordinance earlier because we intend for things in the future to come forward as puds so they could be customized and and have conditions like this anyway so it wasn't a denial saying we want to get rid of all standards but it was for that but I just um for me personally
I'd make a motion for denial based on finding one is this conditionally Ed uh consistent with the general pattern Land Development within the zoning district and I don't believe it is so that would be my motion second all right we have a motion on the table for denial from council member Urban and we have a
second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member Urban hi council member Gilbert I mayor Robert I motion carries 5 Z all right and next we have Council
action uh Madam clerk please read the next item resolution number 2024 d203 r a resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida entering into an agreement with oila County and Farm LLC for the design engineering fees actual construction costs and
convenience of rways for the framework roads within the adjacent within and adjacent to bellara property boundaries for Mobility fee credits authorizing the mayor to execute the agreement and providing an effective date good evening Melissa dunan again uh this case before
you tonight is for the Bellar Tri party agreement a little background um in the approved concept plan CM Park Road southberry Drive Cecil Wy Road um were identified as framework streets and are
essential to the Improvement of the transportation Network in this area this agreement will reimburse the cost of the design permitting construction cost right away for the on-site and offsite improvements of the framework streets
through Mobility feed credits only for the additional Mobility capacity over what is required to serve the project uh the estimated amount for reimbursement is up to $20 million of the actual costs
only the developer must provide proof of the actual costs prior to any reimbursements here's a graphic representation of the portions of the framework streets that bellara is constructing they're highlighted in yellow you'll see a section of CMI Park
Road going east west southberry drive going north south and then a small section of Cecil Wy road going east west staff recommends approval and is requesting that city council also approve resolution number 20
24-23 R and staff is available if you have any questions and I believe the applicant is present as well all right thank you would the applicant like to speak on this item good evening mayor council member Tom Sullivan with the great Robinson Law Firm on behalf of wayy farms appreciate
your time tonight appreciate staff's presentation as well we've been working closely with them uh through this process and be happy to answer any questions that you have thank you all right thank you Tom and would anyone else in the
audience like to speak on this item and do we have any Council discussion all right well I would like to say um of course I had some reservations about this uh and uh the developers we had a workshop i' like to tell the audience we had a workshop we
went through this for hours um I don't like the deal I don't like the deals that are put in place to give away tons millions and millions of Mobility fees back without us getting anything over here on this side of the turnpike but um these these developers these folks they
did come back to the table they were at the workshop I do appreciate that Tom Kevin Craig thank you very much for for stepping up and after um speaking with them for hours um they were gracious enough to say um that that $45 Million
worth of Mobility fees uh will be paid and they would only take up to $20 million worth Mobility fees that's correct um Tom would you like to come back up here and answer some questions yeah that's what's that's what's contained in the agreement it's capped at $20 million their Mobility fee credits yes mayor that's correct awesome
thank you okay and and Craig can you come up here for a second please yes yeah and and I spoke Craig your name and Craig Perry uh Believe It or Not Fort Lauderdale Florida yeah um yeah and and Craig you know we spoke today and we spoke you know what a few weeks ago we
all sat down and uh and I do understand your concerns and and U I know you haven't really it's kind of gone back and forth between Ula County and St Cloud and between our two water utilities and you've kind of been put through the ringer on a lot of this so um I appreciate you kind of hanging in
there and and um I know you did say you'd love to invest more in our city um I'd ask not as as much single family residential but maybe if you want to come and invest in our downtown we'd love to have you do some things that that really add to our downtown because I know we're really trying to improve
this so um we'll keep it to this item but uh thank you for stepping up and um you know everything we we address so thank you thank you mayor yes sir appreciate it Deputy Mayor Fletcher um yes thank you um I had the opportunity to to to meet uh with folks
as well um we had a lengthy conversation um about um Mobility fees and what what we're going to get um from then and and understand more of how the mobility fees um are calculated um definitely there's two different ways to calculate Mobility
fees one by um um engineer cost estimate versus fdot um standards the the the estimates that that that we put into place um or the the initial agreement um was for about $24 million um and then
providing a cost estimate um we we wouldn't pay a we wouldn't pay out all the way up to the 24 million it's based on what the the the actual cost I believe right Melissa if you could explain that a little bit in detail for me right that's correct so um the mobility fee agreement was based on fdot
dollars um because it does cost government more money to build roads than it does the dev developers so it's kept at the 20 million but if they let's for example if it only costs them $15 million and they're able to provide
proof that that was their actual cost then we will only reimburse up to that amount not not the full amount um they have to demonstrate their actual cost and we only um reimburse up to that amount I appreciate it thank you so much and thank you guys I really appreciate
it like like the mayor had said um if you want to invest in down Town come on we would we appreciate the investment in the city can you do it for 15 million um uh council member gilber yeah just one question uh to I guess this is to our City attorney uh there are laws
and and statutes in place that we can only U do the actual cost to reimburse them correct they are entitled to the actual cost in Mobility fee credits on La if there's an overrun in that cost is that
for the developer to absorb that they have agreed essentially to there's a provision in the statute that was put in a couple years ago that requires in these type of agreements the developer to obtain their actual costs but they
have our they agreed to cap it and they've agreed to basically wave that provision of the statute thank you very much for explanation and you back thank you all right and can we get a motion on this item motion to approve second motion to approve from Deputy Mayor
Fletcher second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the RO council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z all right Madame clerk please read the
next item discussion and possible action regarding the Common Parking request for one pickle ball LLC located at 1790 East erlo Bronson Memorial Highway St CLA Florida 37 34771 good evening Melissa dunan this case before you is for a
Common Parking request for the project known as one pickle ball the property is generally located at the intersection of East earo Bronson Memorial Highway and Jaffa Drive the applicant is proposing to install 10 new park paring spaces in
the rear and share four non-exclusive spaces in front of the building the pickable clients will be by appointment only and a mini site plan will be required to add the additional parking spaces here's a graphic representation
of the 10 additional parking spaces drawn in green behind the existing building the four non-exclusive parking spaces will be in the front of the building staff recommends approval and requests that Council also approve their requests
for this Common parking and I'm available for questions and I believe the applicant is here as well all right thank you Melissa and would the applicant like to speak on this item I would like the applicant to come and speak on this item
name and address for the record sir how you doing Chris um I I leased the warehouse portion of my uh building one of the buildings um to a pickle ball company there's only four quarts it's by
appointment only it's a private club um there there's a lot of interest in it so there's a lot of people there but I noticed it has died down and it she is correct it doesn't get too bad I have uh the main building is empty right now so
I'm looking to lease it um I've got 27 parking spaces dedicated to to that spot and then we've got other parking I think I have uh uh 17 parking spaces for vtas
so there's there's there's plenty of parking um but I mean it's uh I didn't I didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal and and um so but we want to do this right so you want to stand up
here stay up here for questions uh we have the city manager thank you mayor excuse me um I just wanted to state that by approving this agreement we are ensuring that there is parking
dedicated for the front that used to be Badcock retail that is currently vacant um without this staff would not be able to approve another retail use going in that front building um so this is ensuring that there's dedicated parking
assigned for the pickle ball use the vtas and the and the new renter in the future of um that currently vacant space so that is why staff recommends approval thank you and council member gilber well this is interesting and again pickle
ball has U taken a big step forward and I see cities like and the other cities designating large facilities for pick a ball with restaurants in them and everything like that you said there's four court so that's 16 total people at the designated time he also said there's
27 parking spots for uh the Babcock that would be usage I would just want to ask you if you can put in that lease and then your future leases that those parking spots are are on the first come first or basis so the new leaser doesn't come back to us and say we don't have
those parking spots for that facility if there could be something drawn up and I don't know how I'm not I'm not a lawyer we have one over there but uh something that that space that other additional parking is available if there's another renter to come in that they would have
to be aware of that um space being uh multi-use I would have to say and now you back to you man it's in the lease okay it's in it's in their lease that they only have those those back lot those green ones hash down the green okay
all right um I would like to say um I've know Mr Hendricks for many years and you actually used to have a business Downtown St Cloud here for Fred's auction is um not Fred's Five Points Auction is now it was and uh what 20 20 years ago you built long time ago uh
right after the hurricane actually you survived you went through the hurricane here I've been through a lot here yes I have had the Badcock store for many years great member of the community um I love you got vtas right there that helps veterans it's a veteran service organization um I don't know anything about pickle
ball but I know Mr Hendricks loves to play pickle ball um um so uh would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item all right and can we get a motion on this item motion to approve Mo motion to approve from uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher
and a second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the role council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z thank you all right thank you all mayor appreciate
you all right and Madam clerk please read the next item discussion of possible action regarding pending legislation mayor I think I think I'm going to report to you on this today tonight um as you know the legislative session starts on March 4th uh it will
be a 60-day session uh and so this is your last meeting before that session starts annually we try to identify for the council we try to focus on those potential legislative issues that are pending that have the most impact on St
Cloud we know and we identify them as possible ones that the city council would either want to oppose or support the typical process is with the direction of the city council a letter will be prepared and the mayor will send the letter to the usually the Speaker of the House the Pres Senate
President the governor and to the local legislative delegation uh so I want to go through those items you have in front of you and it's up on the screen uh two pages the first page identifies three pending bills that we are recommending
that the city council consid sending a letter of opposition to the first is Senate Bill 184 which is defined as an affordable housing what do you need unque about this bill is that it is essentially requires local governments allow accessory dwelling units in
basically every area zoned uh for single family residents not necessarily A Bad Thing uh but uh again it it's one of these bills that the legislature have been visiting and and imposing upon the cities in the last several years where it eliminates some of the home R
Authority that the city has most particular about this bill is that it allows for or PR hbits a local government from requiring any special parking requirements related to these accessory dwelling units um I don't
necessarily uh in every instance of our view and we've talked to planning stamp about this as it relates to the accessory dwelling units at the city council out here recently uh parking is potentially an issue that could be could impact the community so we feel this bill is is is a problem for cities
because it would not allow the the city to regulate that type of problem that type of parking so uh that's one of the reasons why we're um we're recommending a letter be sent in that uh there also is hjr 357 which is a house joint
resolution which is essentially to put on the ballot in November of 2026 uh a constitutional amendment that would allow for a $100,000 tax exemption on real on property within in in the state that tax
exemption would apply to a property whether it's Homestead exemp exempt or non-homestead exempt so it would be in addition to uh for Homestead Properties it would be in addition to the current minimum $50,000 uh tax exemption that's out there for property values as well as
all the other tax exemptions that are put in place um we we think that the uh uh you know that is of course problematic because that can have a significant impact on the on the county and the city's uh avalor uh taxation to
deal with it um the the it's important that this be frankly it's important that if the city council agrees that the letter of opposition be sent at this point I think it's pretty fair to say that if it gets on the ballot it's probably going to get approved and so
the idea would be to express the legislation legislature that uh uh this is not good for in the past when they've had these um hire tax exemptions we've essentially sent a letter and drafted a letter that the mayor would send and it basically would point out the the
problems that the city would have to face having a reduced uh tax income uh because of this and the and the unavailability of other funding options to do that or you know one of the other options is it would if it's if it's a
significant impact which we would think this would be a significant impact and Mrs Miller and I can talk to the finance director try to get a feel for what we're talking about in terms of dollars but it would force this city council to have to se alternative alternative meth methods of generating Revenue to pay for
some of the everyday services that you you provide like police and fire protection that's aren't covered by you know impact fees so uh we do think it could open up a can of worms for you uh the other bill that we're recommending that the the city council consider filing a letter in opposition to is the
sovereign immunity limits they are currently $200 and $300,000 per incident uh this bill would raise those to $1 million $3 million per incidents for claims arising after October 1st of 2025 essentially that's the cap on the amount
of liability that the city coun that the city has with regard to negligence matters it's very important uh that's a very important cap as it relates to your prop to your your liability insurance as the city has to pay premiums on every year that the the the pool insurance
company that the city uses relies heavily on those to keep the premium cost down so um it it could be very again very detrimental to doing that this is a bill that has been these bills have been sovereign immunity bills have been on the legislator's agenda every year I
think for the last five or six years about six years ago it went from 100 300 100 200,000 to 200 300,000 and so when it when it didn't pass the legislature last year we kind of knew it was going to come back this year and so it's back and we would again
send the simar letter that we sent last year which was uh this will have another unintended Financial consequence uh on the city having to deal with it so those are the three that uh we are uh asking for direction to prepare letters for the
mayor to sign uh and uh provide to the uh the legislator ahead of the uh pending legislative session any questions on those or any thoughts on those yeah we have council member Urban I would I would just say I'm I'm a
100% um two and three I I would agree we should write letters of opposition I as far as the accessory dwelling units go I think that is a a great tool for affordable housing and I think it allows families grandparents uh children to stay
together and wouldn't necessarily be a hill I'm willing to die on for for that if it's something about you know uh defending home rule and letting us like create our own standards at the city I I do understand that and I see where we're coming from but um that would just that
would be my only comment on that otherwise I'm all for the other on and let me ask you this City attorney is that that just says it allows it but we all we're saying we allow it already you already allow it okay so we are protected my again to be clear my issue with this particular bill is the fact
that it's restricting how the city can create its regulations for accessory dwelling units I I personally being a City attorney I think that should be a local government decision based on your community and how you do this and where you want to where you do it um you know
the parking area parking issues related to accessory dwelling units may be a different a different issue issue in the old grid area where streets homes tend to be closer together the streets tend to be a little narrower that can that might be a different issue as to where somewhere else in the city that you
might be able to put an accessory dweller unit but there might be a bigger piece of property that allows for more parking so the city should be able to address that issue that's that's my real concern not not that I think planning will tell you they think accessory drawing units are a good are a good
method to address you know affordable housing and provide situations so this this is puts burden on us right so that's why takes away your Authority yeah takes away some of your Authority okay um okay I assume sorry council member Urban what we do now that's
you're good with what we do now for accessory structures you just don't want something that'll take away from what we're doing now right yeah and and if if it's a matter of Defending home rule and and City's Authority I'm all for that so yeah okay I think we got enough
Direction on that for those three items okay um so the next page if you flip to that this is ones that we we think uh the city council should consider sending formal letters of support the first is House Bill 401 um which
is I'm I I was talking to Mr Fletcher about it beforeand I'm trying to remember the name that they're calling this it's called the support ownership in Florida support home ownership in Florida Act is what is what this is actually called uh and what the intent
of this is as I understand it is to allow for municipalities and counties to create certain zoning districts specifically related to uh what's been referred to as Bill to rent uh subdivisions for those of you who were on the council when the city council got
its first build to rent project and you heard planning department say we know this is going to be rental but under our but under the code and under the law we can only treat these as single family residences what this bill does it allows the it would allow the Miss City to
create a special category which would be for single family hybrid houses which they're called basically what they basically are are rental single family resident units that are owned by corporate entities and uh it identifies that as being a a corporate anyti that
owns three or more uh or more than three of these units so this wouldn't affect an individual property owner that owns maybe two rental homes within the city or one rental home would have anything to do with that but what this bill does it it allows for the city to create that
that uh zoning category so that these projects can be looked at a little differently maybe put different restrictions on it it even allows for the city to go ahead and potentially prohibit those uh those type of developments if if it want it needs to
so we think it's a um uh we think it's a good bill because it gives the city the option to maybe do that depending on what what the city wants and that's why we think it's a good idea to support it um any questions on that one um the next item that we're we're
asking that you consider supporting is there there is a provision in the uh in house build 363 which deals with cras and community redevelopment plans and essentially expands the uses for CRA funds uh to allow to do certain things like um support services for businesses
payment of short-term rent professional training wor Workforce Recruitment and Retention even loans and program development so it expands the potential use I say you have to but it expands the potential use for C so again this we think creates additional options uh for
the um uh uh for the CRA does it set a threshold of of how much it says 20 it's 20% of the tax increment so basic we we would interpret that to mean 20% of the funds that the city receives into the that the CRA receives into its into its
fund um to be could could be used for those purposes that's the cap and again this is another option one it doesn't have to be done but it does create options is is the cap okay is it based on the the the what the
fund balance or I think it I think typically these these type of uh fundings are done on an annual BAS basis will be based on the annual amount that is that goes into the CRA fund okay and then when we do a budget for that for the you would do an allocation budget
you would do that so would be part exactly yes sir thank you okay all right so the final one we want we're asking for a form of letter of support is Senate Bill 226 which expands uh well exactly makes it a state prohibition on smoking in
public places uh what's important to this is it it includes brings into certain open areas most particularly within the city like parks and streets and areas where the state would basically come would basically prohibit smoking uh at at all levels U we've
talked to the uh Parks and Recreation director here in the city and and they think it's a this is a good a good thing to keep the parks essentially smoke free um the bill makes it a state prohibition which means that the state would come in and enforce it uh through mostly through
the division of Tobacco and Firearms I think would be the ones that would be doing it um but um and it does Define public place as basically any place that the public has access to I mean streets sidewalks public parks beaches and even government buildings so uh it would
apply to that this bill also adds um to the traditional list of smoking which has expanded used to be just cigarettes then it went to vaping and this adds um this actually adds cannabis and marijuana as as a would be a to smoke
those in public areas um to deal with it of Interest it doesn't include cigars so is that so it doesn't penalize those type of businesses because there are like cigar type there are designate exactly right the designated cigar bars
that uh you know that there are no cigarette bars I guess like it just try different flavors of cigarettes haven't seen one of those in about 30 years so um so that's what so those are the three bills that we're recommending that they
that that the city council authorized the mayor to sell to send formal letters of support we would prepare letters obviously we provide them to the mayor for the mayor's review before he signs them and sends them off um we have found out historically and a few years ago the city was given
a home rule Champion um certificate from the league of cities because we we did things like this we we send letters out basically protecting home W the earlier you do it the better we would again as I said earlier we would provide it to the
president of the Senate the house Speaker of the House the governor and also to the entire local legislative delegation so they would be familiar with it um so that's it and so with Direction on that um the um we we'll send those letters uh Mrs
Miller was diving into her button to remind her to remind me that she did want me me to point out so you there is pending local a local Bill related to the Waterland development um to create a basically a
legislative cre a legislatively created special district and essentially what that would is take all the Waterland property and put it into a special district similar to a community development District however it would basically be a Community Development District on steroids for lack of a
better expression so the whole entire development would be able to have the same of funding abilities bonding abilities construction of of infrastructure similar to um to what a a smaller Community Development District
would ENT would be able to do uh We've looked at the special the local legislation uh we can our initial review and we've looked at it pretty closely it does not prohibit it doesn't really have an impact on the things that the city of stcloud may be interested in looking at
I.E whether that property ultimately in the city or not in the city from an annexation perspective there isn't anything that would prohibit that from happening down the road but they would be able to get some some better funding options which is why I think they want
to do this is a newer sort of uh um uh but specially created a legislative act that's been happening recently uh there's some there's a couple of these around around the state that they've been Creed and they're usually these larger pieces of property that are in
unincorporated parts of the Cy so we're just going to monitor that and we can get you copies of the special the local legislation if you want to see it um and it's about 123 Pages um so um uh we can we can get that for you and just we're just going to kind of keep an eye on it
for now is sunbridge that is that the kind of same process as sunbridge is no this a little different than what sunbridge is this is more this is a sunbridge they created sort of like a you know the Tiff program where they're going to basically have an agreement where they use the tax increment
financing thing to help pay for some of their infrastructure this is a little different it's it's more of a larger scale um I don't know if anybody have been in Southwest Florida there's an area called Lakewood Ranch if you've heard of that area that's one of the bigger ones that was created in this
sense so uh you know it's uh it's probably best described as the new the newer iteration of what happened when Disney created the re the REI Creek area just curious who sponsored that bill for
the Waterland it um it as far as I know I it was a request that was made to the local legislative delegation it went in front of the delegation in January and they approved it a local Bill like this has to have approval by the majority of the local legislative
delegation I'm sorry it's got a house sponsor and Senate sponsor oh yeah that's right it was representative booth that had been sponsor it okay and Senator Arrington I guess is the Senate sponsor on it or I don't I don't know I don't know I
do I I do have a again you ER but you're saying it doesn't affect us in the future of whether or not we we've looked at it and we've talked to the attorneys that have drafted it and there's it was not intended to divest the city of St Cloud of any of its rights related to the future of this project it frankly
would create similar to what we were talking about with Community Development District earlier a situation where they would basically be paying for most are there for just about all of their infrastructure um the only thing it doesn't allow for is um it doesn't allow for the
public safety piece of in in other words they can't have their own police force or fire bur well we have the best in the state anyway so um so with that we'll prepare those letters in the country I'm sorry in in the world in the
world team americ that's all I have if there's any questions yes sir think we got enough Direction and can we get a motion to approve the letter uh the formal letter of opposition and the formal letter of support motion to approve motion from
council member Urban second second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame clerk please call the role council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member Urban I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z and just one final
comment I know most of you you'll receive information from certain people about bills as they're moving forward um there's a lot of stuff that's out there that is of Interest we only wanted to focus on those that we thought were most particular but if you hear about anything else you have any questions
about please contact us we can put you in touch with the city's lobbies obviously you can contact the city's lobbies if you want to know anything about it and deal with that and if and if and if something needs to come up we can probably you know address it before the end of the session if we have to your
thank you all right Madam clerk please read the next item discussion and possible action regarding appointments of boards and committees with with vacancies for the economic development advisory committee finance committee historic preservation board Planning Commission Recreation
advisory committee teen Recreation advisory Comm committee tree advisory committee and Zoning Board of adjustment all right let's start off with the economic development advisory committee please and since I'm seat one I'm going
to go ahead and um nominate the Paula Stark uh name her as my seat one she had asked for reappointment and you have a seat to council member Paul um I'm gonna
nominate Susan Abshire she I did speak with her and she wants to stay on there so all right thank you and we have council member Urban seat three like to nominate uh Bobby Bryant lantry thank you and seat for council
member Gilbert no excuse me we have one more vacant uh oh I'm sorry you're right in in the yellow all right and we have an outlar seat um seat number seven uh anyone council member Gilbert or council member Deputy Mayor Fletcher do you all
have any anybody um I'd like to um actually have two things I'd like to nominate uh Jackie I can't pronounce the last name um to seat seven um and then I think we should take a look at seat five because they haven't attended out of the
last six the board recommended removing um seat five so Jackie so would you oh yeah you're saying the Eda board recommended removing and that would be uh coun Deputy Mayor Fletcher that would be your
seat to select somebody yes I would uh recommend Jackie Jackie for that seat U um I thought you just recommend her for the S the bacon one well all right well it's my seat so you want to do it for yours yeah that's all right we'll do yours there and council member Gilbert would you like to make a nomination for
somebody for the vacant number seven seat at large yeah I name correct him it's okay all right where is she there we go
there all right that uh fills the edac board mayor if I may I have a motion in a second please let's go ahead and get a motion for all the names for the edak board motion to approve motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second uh second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call
the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member Urban hi council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z all right next we have the finance committee I also
Terminus okay thank you uh I am seat one I would like to put in there James Moore and council member Paul see to um I will nominate David Reinhardt as requested
reappointment council member hold on is not Urban council member Urban seat not available as well he's on the same terus are they is he not Co terminous with us but this one um well I guess yeah he could probably but it says that his
wasn't up till 2027 he was elected in 6922 so yeah you may be right I'm confused you may be right about that yes well sorry it's coterminous than it is it's with us three because he he ran for re-election I think that's or he took over council member Cooper that's that's probably what threw off the timing of it
all but I think I just thought that that's a co-terminus uh council member urvan would you like to select somebody for your seat so did Alex Brooks reapply for this uh I do not have her as a
reapplication well probably because he wasn't sure that his seat was up exactly could can I come back at the next meeting I wasn't prepared to make a selection okay yes sir all right can we go ahead and get a motion to approve uh seat one and seat two motion we have a motion from council member Gilbert
second second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madam clerk please call the role council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z all right next up we have the historic
preservation board all those are out large seats we have uh Patrice Campbell seat two she has requested reappointment do we want to take motions on each one or just we could just do a slate slate you're doing
um I'll go ahead and um make a motion I'd like to reappoint Patrice on the at Large and now we have seat three which is also at large uh Bobby Bryant termed out so that's an open seat could I entertain nominating Melvin
Welch to seat three all right we got no seat three and now we have seat number four that's an that large seat as well I would like to if no other council member has anyone in
mind no I take that one back sorry anybody else have any you like Mitchell misy okay that is for seat number four and mayor if I may just prior councils when there were
boards that had alternate positions on it when there was a vacancy they would consider the alternate as one of the people that would move from an alternate position to a regular position I think some of the council members might remember that was sort of like a it was
sort of like a I don't say Unwritten policy but that was it so I just wanted to point out you could you could move someone from an alternate position into one of those vacant position May I retract yes sir put in that in that are and
yes sir thank all right so we have Dawn as the seat four and Mitchell in the alternate two and that fills the Slate all right next up we have the Planning Commission may I please have a motion uh let's go ahead and take a
motion on the historic preservation board approve motion to approve mayor Fletcher second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the role council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member
Paul I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z all right next up we have the Planning Commission these are also at large seats I would like to uh nominate Megan Marshall for seat
four I would like go ahead sorry to nominate Ruby bridge for for seat number five I'd like to renominate Don G gby um um you want to put her to the I've already she's already the seat four
is already Megan Marshall um that's fine whatever is open all all two is fine all right um can I get a motion to approve that slate motion to approve motion approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from uh council
member Paul Madam clerk please call the role council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul hi council member Irvin hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z
all right next we have the recreation advisory committee and city manager would like to would you like to discuss this I I would actually request that the deputy city manager address this all right thank you good evening mayor and city council
Scott David off Deputy city manager um there are currently three committees that operate under the Parks and Recreation Department the tree advisory committee the recreation advisory committee and the Teen advisory committee as staff has gone back and
taken a look at the attendance looked at the tasks that each one of those committees uh forms staff has recommended uh combining those three committees into one committee one of the things that we found was that on the
recreation advisory committee there are actually two spaces there two positions for uh youth members that uh we found have not been filled for any records that we can find that those positions have been have remained
open uh so what we're recommending uh would be to combine those three committees the tree advisory committee those tasks uh can be done by the Parks and Recreation excuse me the recreation advisory committee uh and the staff as part of that and then the teen advisory
committee would also be able to still have youth representation which we feel is very very important to get our youth involved in our committees and still have them become a part of that this would make all those committees into one make it a bit more effective and a bit more efficient as
well all right youall have any question uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher I didn't realize my light was on but um I would agree um to combining all three of I think it's it's a little redundant I'm sure staff would would enjoy not having three committees that are
doing the same thing maybe we can get some some of these folks would be more dedicated so good and council member Gilbert well I also agree with council member Fletcher uh I think our last Workshop we talked about what committees are not uh
um are dormant or or things such as that and uh the cost of committees I think all of them are good but you you have to put in staff time meeting time money into it so I just have to second with the uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher that if we combine these three we may have a better
attendance record and may get more done a you'll back you all right thank you all right we'll go ahead and start with the um council member Paul uh we have Dwayne Norm requested reappointment for seat two but you're open to to
appoint somebody for that one yes I have spoken to Mr Norman and we did have a conversation about him um wanting to stay on there so he will be by nomination all right thank you and we have uh council member Urban
seat three uh I would renominate Tom richm all right and I will go ahead and renominate reappoint uh James morency perfect attendance
record all right next we have a two alternate seats we have alternate seat one it's an at large seat so I'm opening front any nominations on that um she requested requested reappointment so go ahead and say her
all right well she only had one out of on hold on yeah let's wait on that one here I I uh do want to point out although it's on the next page there are three teams instead of two so maybe one of those teams could be that alternate
well I believe those are going to be the students right but there's only two student spots and there's three interested teams could could they and I don't know take the vacancy of alternate two in one of those teams that's what I was that's what I was
recommending unless the board has obviously you can um pick whomever yeah I I think that that whatever you guys want to do I'm I'll support my thought process was I believe those two open Student seats were me for students and that gives them the voice
that they need um I think with the recreation advisory committee you know there were some I know there were a lot of issu not issues uh a lot of items that will come up in the future with the growth of the ball fields and and everything else we dealing with the fields
so uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher let's go ahead and start with the alternate one did you have a name in mind um you also look at the trade advisory list of um yeah we can we can go with
uh Angel Rosenthal Angel Rosenthal oh which list is that off of I'm sorry that's off the tree advisory committee okay thank you under the applicants right I nope I'm missing it that was on the
team so that she was the applicant um she's currently um applying for so you're saying for one of the student positions correct okay she's on both actually well I was asked for the alternate one first if you want
to do that the at large oh I apologize I was doing it let's do the alternate one it's an at large so any any council member can make a nomination on that consider uh Council Carter Rivier she on
the team advisory committee which had made she was appointment by me but made all three of the meetings if we're going to dism that committee could move her over to the recreation are you saying for the student seats no okay NOP because they have just they car just as
much weight yeah I'm she's not a student oh she's not a student no she's number four in a treee advisory committee what's her name I'm sorry Carter I see her as a team Recreation she's on teen
why there um there there was another sheet that was put in um got we had yeah we had a print we had a print issue and we went and replaced the the the prints on everyone's desk I'm so sorry my glasses on I was taking them off I was
putting them back on I know you're like why is I'm like why is this not popping so I apologize that's right but would you like but Carter is on the team would you like to to put Carter as one of students we have that I'm now thate
right you don't have the attendance for the tree advisor committee I do know two of the members that have been there for over 20 years and noer think it's but there other folks commit I
just I'll go ahead and make a a a nomination for Lissa Rodrick for alternate one on the recreation so we have alternate two seat and that's at large so anybody can pick off the list we do have a long list of
applicants can do Alan Sherborn Alan Sherborn for alternate seat two all right now we have the two students um you mentioned Carter Rivera yes sir and you would like Carter r on seat number eight uh yes eight uh yes
please thank you and then seat number nine we have a student I think we have requested reappointment by Isabella and she is has pretty good attendance there is that uh I'll nominate Isabella you want
nominate Isabella okay so I believe that fills all of our seats that's for seat nine Isabella all right and can I get a motion to approve that slate motion to approve motion to approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the
RO Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z all right next up we have the zoning Board of adjustment and these are all at large seats I would
go ahead and nominate uh to reappoint George matthys seat five these guys have most of them have pretty good attendance record on this could I suggest since uh um Megan Marshall isn't seeking
reappointment U could I nominate Ronald Hood to that seat all right we have Ronald hood for seat number four and now we have two alternate seats alternate one both of these are at large I'll nominate R Ruby bridgeforth
for alternate number one we have Ruby Bridgefort alternate number one and alternate number two is that large as well well um since we'll go with the first choice if that's okay if you guys don't have anybody for alternate number two
this was his first choice David Mendes for alternate seat number two and can I get a motion to approve that slate motion to approve motion approved council member Urban second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madam clerk please call the RO council member Paul I
council member Urban I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z all right the next item on the agenda ordinances before the council for first read and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for a final
hearing the council will not take final action on this item tonight full presentations and public input on the ordinances will occur at final hearing at the at which the council will consider final action Madam clerk please call the uh read the item first reading
and introduction from ordinance number 20253 in ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning Amendment to the zoning map of the Land Development code and the City of St Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of property plusus 1.01 Acres identified as friers Cove Lane
from a agricultural zoning designation to r1b single family dwelling zoning designation with a low density residential future land use designation located north of fer Cove Lane and west of Clint Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map filing the planning commission's recommendations improve of publication
cability and effective date all right can I get a motion on this item motion to approve motion to approve from council member Paul we have two other room but we have a quorum so second we have a second from
council member Fletcher Madame clerk please call the role council member Urban council member Gilbert I council member Fletcher council member Paul I mayor Robertson hi motion carries
30 Madame clerk please read the next item first reading an introduction for ordinance number 20259 in ordinance of the city council of city of St Cloud Florida providing a zoning Amendment of the zoning map of the Land Development code and the City of St Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of
approximately plusus 1.13 Acres identified as Tara Santiago from rs2 single family residential to R1 single family DW zoning designation with lowdensity residential future land use designation generally located east of Orange Avenue North of East 10th Street
and south of of East Fifth Street and West of Rosendale Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map filing the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication cability and effective date all right can I get a motion to approve this item motion to approve uh motion from
council member Gilbert second second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role council member Gilbert I council member Fletcher council member Paul I council member Urban I mayor Blackwell I'm sorry mayor
Robertson again I'm so sorry my brain's on Auto Drive say like too hi 4 Z I'm sorry I'm on Auto Drive you're good Madam clerk please call and read the next item I'm so sorry first reading
and introduction for ordinance number 2020 202-10 an ordinance of the city council of city of St Cloud Florida amending chapter 3 Performance and sitting standards of the Land Development code by amending Article 13 titled special purpose and overlay districts by adding section 3.3.4 Marina and docking facilities to
establish standards for commercial marinas and docking facilities providing for severability scribers errors and conflict and conflict administrative Corrections codification publication and effective date all right can I get a motion to approve this item motion to approve motion to approve
council member Paul second second council member Urban Madame clerk please call the role deputy mayor mayor Fletcher council member Paul I council member urvan I council member Gilbert hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4
Z Madam clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 20251 in ordinance of the city council of city of St Cloud Florida signing a future land use designation to low density residential for approximately plusus 113 Acres identified as TOA Santiago located east of Orange Avenue
north of east of 10th Street south of east of Fifth Street and West of Rosendale Avenue providing for many an offici official future land use map and comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations and proof of publication of applicability and effect severability copies on file an effective date and can I get a motion to approve
this item motion to approve motion approve Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second council member Urban Madam clerk please call the rooll council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert
Deputy Mayor Fletcher I mayor Robertson I motion carries 4- Z Madame clerk please read the next item first reading introduction for ordinance number 202-20 plusus 4.63 Acres identified as
Nona Town Homes located east of nusi Road and North of East ER Bron Memorial Highway south of lilan Lee Road and West of puffin Road in accordance with the voluntary aning ation provisions of chapter 17 1.44 Florida Statutes and can I get a motion on this item motion to approve second motion
from council member Urban second from Deputy May Fletcher Madam clerk please call the r council member Urban hi council member Gilbert Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I mayor Robertson I motion
carries 4 Z I'm GNA give you a second a brief I know it's been a while since You' read this much give me one second okay you want some Skittles I'm okay but thank you okay first reading and introduction
for ordinance number 20253 in ordinance of the city council of city of St CL Florida signing a future land use designation of medium density residential for approximately plus- 1764 Acres identified as Dona Town hes located east of nusi Road north of East ear Bronson Memorial Highway and south of willan Lee Road West of pu Road
providing for for many official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing the planning commission's recommendations approv publication applicability and effect severability copies on filed an effective date all right can I get a motion on this item motion approved motion
approved from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the r council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul hi council member Urban I mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5
Z all right thank you madam clerk all right and City attorney do you have anything to add to this I do not Mr Mayor thank you sir thank you and city manager Miller I'm sorry I have several things to discuss this evening to hopea
first um sleeping tiger what's the secret um in addition to the smallest sorry safest small town in Florida we are number 37 in the entire United States so all
right lots of love to our Police Department um and in addition to that wallet Hub ranked St Cloud number 44 in the best small cities to start a business in the US um and just pointing out our number has improved consistently
every year so we're really proud of that the procurement Department uh for the fourth year just received the Award of Excellence so we're very proud of them with that um going along with the wallet Hub
um we went live with project docs which is a software that allows you when you're applying for your permits and planning department to upload your plans electronically um getting away from paper so we we uh are pretty pretty
proud that we have now joined the 21st century um on that um also joining the 21st century very proud our HR department um implemented some additional software modules and our neoo that allows us to
have our HR former our HR forms online now um internally so that we're we're excited about that and we have been able we also opened up the e-learning module opening up to lots of training opportunities for our staff okay then
um at the end of the month we will be installing the school zone cameras so I did talk to AA County they are currently in the same company in the process of installing their cameras also so I did ask them if there could be some
opportunity um for our announcements to go together that that way you know people really iiz it's not just the county or it's not just us I so I think we're going to have our um Communications departments maybe try to coordinate a little bit on that but they did say they had already filmed a PSA so
not not sure how much we might be too late when I when I made the request um last item so I know several of our council members are going to Washington DC to fight for St Cloud and we needed to select um Federal Lobby project for
this year so so we're still waiting for the final budget to be approved that was going to give us money thanks to Congressman Soto for the police department um equipment in our new EOC um so we're still going to need to push
that that that budget gets approved with that but that's for last year's budget so for this year's request um we're recommending um along the lines of safest city we would like to ask for $1 million for for us to be able to buy
five trailers that within those five trailers would have 72 barricades that will stop a car in case of um anybody trying to attack the pedestrians like New Orleans have had occur recently so
we don't have any other current projects right now that would meet the necessary timelines um so so that that's our recommendation for this year if I think I've see three nods so and that's also gray Robinson that handles the lobbying for that right yes sir okay thank you
yes sir but that that will give those of you going to um Washington DC um an ask so we'll give you some more information give you a fact sheet that's it thank you are we going to ask Congressman Soto to sponsor that yes thank you he's the only one who sponsors anything for us so
we love him all right and council member Paul um want to say in honor of black history there are a couple events that will be taking place next week I know Granny Southern Smokehouse is hosting a Black History
celebration Downtown St clout as well as city of St clout will be hosting Community Day at Hawkins Park so anyone not doing anything I encourage you to get out and explore the history that is here locally in St Cloud thank
you and council member Urban I have 17 items now everybody have are you good all right thank you and Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I have a couple things um I had I would like to have a
workshop on our historic preservation um the ordinance the board everything um I was you know I've been paying attention to the historic preservation board and I think there's some some improvements in the process that we could definitely make um so I'd like to you know schedule
it in the future um if if we can have staff you know kind of put our schedules together not NE necessarily something that's like emergency level but somewhere in the line um the next item is is I had spoken to the city manager to get an update on where our letter was um regarding the
intergovernmental um Workshop they're working on that I'm happy to hear um and then the last item that I had is there's a nonprofit organization that holds events in the city um they've had a couple events in the city and the the
lakefront is not available um because it's going to be under construction so they're asking to to they're going to use the ranch instead I know we just pulled back the you know the ordinances or the the ordinance to not weigh fees but there so last year they paid you
know almost 2,000 but the ranch is almost double that so they're asking if we could could bring it down to what they paid last year um and I figured I'd bring to the council what was your organization it is uh the proud and the
cloud event the what the proud and the cloud event in June okay and if if I may um we did we are installing the shade structures that the city council asked for um and we did reach out to to see if there was a way
that the contractor could adjust the schedule because they they're actually there for quite a bit of time they had already um planned on doing the event and unfortunately we can't do anything thing about the schedule and I think it's important that we keep moving forward the shade structure for the
summer so um just wanted to provide that additional information so it wasn't at their fault it was it was at at the so saying the shade structures are oh at the lakefront right um city council asked us to and I don't have authority
to which I love our our new waivers but I I don't have any Authority now um in in a unique situation like this which is something that we caused to to do um waivers which I would love to um if the council would consider allowing me to have a little bit of authority in those
unique situations um but I but staff does support this request and the so so I have a print out here I mean so like so for example the the special permit feed stage event trailers bleachers there's a whole long list of things that were required at the lakefront which wouldn't be required um at the ranch um
so you know I they came to meet so I told them I'd bring I'd bring the request forward in this unique circumstance but next year um they'd be going back to the original location okay um did you yeah you're saying that that's the it was the fee they were paying last year right you're just just
need to move the location I have no problem with that do you just need consensus from us or how do you okay yeah uh to kind of streamline things I'd also like to see if we could delegate authority to the city manager in future situations to uh be able to
work on things like this so she doesn't have to bring it back unless it's like a major I agreee if it's something like this situation where they've it's a facility that they can't use because of us we can honor at least it was something they they were already signed
up going to use they they it's an event that they do every year so when they went to book it they're like hey you know the it wasn't available it wasn't available because of the construction um and like we've discussed in the previous workshops I'm right there like we got to cover cost got to cover cost got to
cover cost um and I think the city man and our team has done a great job and just in this instance it's like wow this is a big increase for them so yeah and you said but if not four us having a project there then they would be able to do it yeah because I mean they obviously have budget
constraints too so I thought if i' ask no no I agree if it's something in this kind of a situation where we can't give them the space that they use annually then that's fine thank you what the city manager can make that call thank you thank you very much and that's all I have all right thank you Deputy
Mayor and we have council member Gilbert yeah a couple things mayor thank you for uh allowing me to speak on this uh at last meeting um maybe last month or month before we looked at uh inspections for uh rental properties uh to do a uh
occupancy certificate of occupancy for rental properties by by landlords uh for safety sakes and for reasons we have some of these facilities here and houses for rent that are up there in age and don't maybe get a look at outside inside but every business we have to have a a
certificate of occupancy I would really like this uh city manager to look at staff and when we first talked about I was told that really doesn't happen in Florida further investigation by uh Mr manzer which was great says there are a lot of cities that do that especially a
lot of the Cities coastal cities and a lot of older cities in Florida that have inspections for certificates of occupancy for landlords and I have to say this because I'm a landlord myself and I have no problem we're doing that because it's a safety issue for the city and also for the renters so I don't know
if we can make a motion to look into a certificate occupancy for renters uh and I I don't know how that process takes place but I would like us as Council to kind of look into it to protect our uh citizens that are renters I'm going let the City attorney speak on this first so
it would require an ordinance uh there are a couple of cities in Central Florida that have them we would we could essentially bring back Anin we either bring it back at first reading for a discussion or part of a workshop whichever one you wanted to do so I think a workshop I like to talk
that I've never seen it but I I'm interested in hearing about it all right so I will um if we can put together just a draft ordinance and then we can do a little presentation and see what we can find out in the meantime about the problems with it where you know whatever push back some cities have
had when they've tried to do this because it will be will be likely an additional cost to the landlord which likely be passed on to the tenant so you know I get to additional cost but also safety concerns great are just uh more
so than ever because of the some of our structures in the age of some of our structures here that are are rented out and not just those structures but the neighbors next to them because as you said uh Mr manzer earlier there's some of these houses that are built like they really close together so if something
was to have them then it could could go on to their neighbor's house so so I just like to uh follow up through that and then secondly during our last Workshop we had talked about the Wayward signs and they were put on hold because of the arch I would just like to see if a time frame if that is going in motion because I think that's going to be a
great benefit to the city with the Wayward signs uh way Fair signs I call them Town criers what however you want to call them but uh uh I would like to see that to move forward and get those things uh at least ordered and installed so I don't know how to go about that but
I'm asking the council to consider that so we can get those signs uh in the downtown IND directional signs uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher you still have your light in City attorney you guys oh I'm sorry sir that's um I got I got um one thing just to follow up on the the the occupancy um I would imagine that would
give that's would be an enforcement mechanism um so for example I had an issue with um some an elderly lady had contacted me the landlord had not like like there was a plumbing issue that was kind of the landlord problem and all of this stuff so could we go in if we did
that and like revoke the occupancy permit uh or we'll just talking about it later we can talk about it a little bit more the the intent of that is to from a code enforcement perspective is to avoid that problem by requiring an inspection before the tenant moves in so but we
could we could talk a little bit more about how far it can go you mean we're not going to be kicking indoors and police chief don't give them any ideas we would not do that and I'm happy
to just get a schedule for those wayfinding signs that's on it thank you a back that's all I have today all right thank you Council M Gilbert and just one quick thing for me uh I spoke with city
manager earlier uh we did have have a gentleman that requested that one of the ball fields be named in his honor um I guess it was a coach for many years speaking with the city manager she wanted to look at kind of the code so I just want to ask if if the staff could
look into the the process and if this is allowed I believe there's a policy I just I I need to research it okay who is it uh who made the request no who is the long time coach why you saying that I forgot to
mention uh there there's a rodo parade going on this weekend hope make it everybody online F in the time that's my for today all right give me give me the I'll tell you who oh it's F I was just curious if I knew him from being the kid right
here one minute I'll have to get back with you on that sir all right and as council member Gilbert said we do have the rodeo coming up uh this weekend and also I will be in the auction ring on Saturday evening for
all of the um I guess this this weekend it's the goats and the and the the Lambs and then next weekend it's the Hogs and the steers so I'll be out there in the auction ring just so I know council member Gilbert will bring his big fat paycheck his checkbook and uh he's gonna
he's he's gonna buy us a lot of a lot of meat to eat having a cook out at Council Gilbert's house you sure are all right and next up is the information section report section uh Friday February 28th 2025 we have a strategic planning workshop at 9:00 a.m. at the Fire
Department Training Center Thursday March 13 2025 city council meeting 6:30 p.m. right here at City Hall in the council chambers and for your review list number seven's available and we have warrant list
number four so with that this meeting is adjourned