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And will everyone in the audience please stand for the invocation by Delbert, Pastor Delbert Roberts from Champion Baptist Church. I don't see Pastor Roberts. I don't know Pastor Roberts. All right. If we just please stand for a moment of
silence. All right. Please remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Thank you. And madame clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Robertson, >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> here. >> Council member Paul >> here. Council member Urban here. Council member Fletcher. >> All right. Agenda update.
And city manager, do you have any add-ons? Agend uh corrections or deletions? >> Yes. Thank you, mayor. Um the first item, it's not on the agenda. if anyone is here for Harvest Grove, formerly known as Nona Town Homes. It was
originally advertised for this evening, but it is not on the agenda. That will be on the November 13th city council meeting. Additionally, I have several items to remove from the agenda this evening. On consent agenda, um we would like to
remove item 14, the main street agreement and item number 15, the preliminary subdivision plan for the Walker subdivision. And I have three items that we would like to continue to the November 13th
meeting and the public hearings. Items 9, 10, and 11. These were the reszonings for three city parks. Stephanie Lee Rothstein Park, Rumbl Road Park, and Canary Park. If I could ask the council to please continue
those to November 13th. And you want me to continue? Would you motion now? >> It's up to the mayor. So each one would have to be read in or we can wait until it comes up whichever one you want >> to vote to move them on. >> Yes, we'd have to read each one. >> Yeah, let's go ahead and read all three of them in and then one vote to move it.
>> Okay. Uh can we go ahead and do that now? Yes. And so is that starting with item number nine? >> Public hearing number nine. Yes. >> Uh madam clerk, please uh read public comment uh public hearing number nine. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-55
in ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning amendment for the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 24.317 acres identified as Stephan Lee Lee Rothine Memorial Park reszoning project
ZMA 25-00008 from a agricultural to o open spaces recreation located at 2701 Missouri Avenue providing for entering the designation of official zoning map of the filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof for publication servability and effective date
>> and please read item number 10 and 11. See if we can take a motion on each one. >> You want to do them individually? Okay. >> Motion. >> Can we get a motion to move it to the November meeting? >> Motion to continue. >> Motion to continue. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the RO.
>> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 4 Z. >> And madam clerk, please read item number 10. Final public hearing for ordinance
number 2025-56. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus.0118 018 acres identified as Rumble Road reszoning
project ZMA- 0000009 from R1A single family dwelling to O open space open space recreation generally located on the southeast corner of Roma road and eastern avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map filing the planning commission's recommendations
proof of public publication servability effective date >> and can we get a motion >> motion to continue >> motion to continue November meeting council member Paul >> second from council member Urban Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Urban, >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> I. >> Council member Fletcher.
>> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Mayor Robertson, >> I. >> Motion carries 4 Z. >> And please read item number 11 into the record. >> The final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-57, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a
zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 097 acres identified as canary park resoning project ZMA 25-000010
from R2 single and two family dwelling to O open space recreation located at 901 Virginia Avenue providing for entering the designation official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations approve for publication servability and effective date >> and can we get a motion >> motion to continue
>> motion continue council member Urban Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40.
>> And I have one item on council action to remove. That's item number one. It's the appeal for the Historic Preservation Board uh ruling for 11:22 New York Avenue. that that will be moving to the November 13th meeting. >> There's no need for a motion to continue
that. >> You don't need to >> no >> take a vote. Okay. >> And prior to the final public hearings, what were the other two items? You said one was not on the agenda, but >> consent agenda items 14 and 15 were both removed.
>> We're removing. >> Just removed. >> Removed. Sorry, we got have an echo that I can hear the 14 and 15. Okay. All right. And next up here we have presentation of employee of the month for the month of September to Michelle
M. Acasta. Good evening. Leanne Tomato. I'm the flood plane manager with the building department here at the city of St. Cloud. And tonight, it's my honor to recognize Michelle Aosta as our September 2025 employee of the month.
Michelle began her career with the city in community development back in 2019. During her tenure at the city, she's demonstrated unwavering dedication and a deep passion for serving our community. Today, she serves as the city's
community rating system, CRS, coordinator, acting as a vital liaison to FEMA and ensuring compliance with the National Flood Insurance Programs CRS program. Her efforts directly result in a 25% savings on flood insurance
premiums for policyh holders in the city of St. Cloud. In 2021, the city of St. Cloud elevated its commitments to flood plane management and regulation, successfully improving our CRS classification from a seven to a class
5, a significant achievement that increased insurance savings from 15% to 25%. In 2023, Michelle became the first CRS coordinator in our city's history to maintain the rigorous standards of a
class 5 community. Thanks to her diligence and expertise, the city received perfect scores on annual submitts to FEMA for two consecutive years, making St. Cloud a trailblazer in flood plane management across Oyola County. With an eye toward achieving a
class 4 rating in the coming years, Michelle is already laying the groundwork, coordinating across departments to enhancing water management practices and land development regulations, further safeguarding our community from flood risks. Currently, Michelle is preparing
for the city's comprehensive five-year audit with FEMA, a complex and demanding undertaking that requires strategic planning and exceptional program management. Her commitment, attention to detail, and leadership make her a model
CRS coordinator. Michelle, your dedication makes our flood plane management division and building department shine, and your work continues to elevate St. Cloud's reputation and resilience. We're truly fortunate to have you leading this
critical effort. Congratulations, Michelle, on being named St. Cloud's September 2025 employee of the month. [Applause]
You have speech. >> You can speak. All right. Next up, we have presentation for team of the month for the month of October by Gabby Durand. All right. Good evening everyone. I am Gabby Duran. I'm the aquatic superintendent for the parks and
recreation division. Um these are my two beautiful pole instructors here from the Chrisal Aquatic Center and I am thrilled to celebrate them. Shella Newton and Jessica Garcia. Jessica and Shella lead with their heart. They teach with purpose and they show up every day
driven by their commitment to see their students succeed. A lot of their students are actually here in the audience with us today to celebrate. From infants taking their very first splash to adults building confidence in the water, Jessica and Sheller are guiding people of all ages. And let's
not forget our water fitness programs. Hey ladies, I know you're out there. They've kept them active, balanced, and cores engaged with workouts that are fun, as fun as they are effective. But I do want to take a pause and talk about
something very serious on why it's important and what they do what they do. Drowning is the leading cause of death amongst children in the United States. From ages 1 to four, it's the number one cause. From children up to age 14, it's the second leading cause. Autistic
children, they're at a higher risk. Okay? It's the most likely of of drownings are going to happen and deaths are going to happen for our autistic children. So, that's why what Jessica and Shella do isn't just important, it's life-saving. This year, both became certified as
adaptive swim instructors. That show that water truly welcomes everyone, and we've been able to now service a community that we haven't been able to do before. Their patience, creativity, and compassion ripple far beyond the pool. Jessica and Shella, you're not
only helping people swim, you're making our community a safer one. I am so grateful to be your leader, and it is an honor to recognize the both of you as employees of the month. Congratulations. Thank you for making waves in our community, keeping us all afloat, and
never forgetting to blow your bubbles. [Applause] All right. Now, I like to ask our police chief Doug Gerky to come on up here. And also, I'd like to ask Corporal Fujer to also join us here at the podium.
So, so I requested Corporal Fuier to be here tonight. Um, he's he's moving to Tennessee and and leaving us, but he he's real special to us at the city and in our downtown at the CRA and uh how many years, Corporal? >> 26. >> 26 years, man. Thank you very much for
keeping us safe and being part of our family. [Applause] [Applause] Okay. So, so many of you have seen him. He uh he is a staple in the downtown area, the
CRA. Um he helps us he helped us quite a bit with our largecale event planning. So, he was always on the calls ensuring that we had the proper resources for law enforcement, public safety, barricades, so we can actually have safe events. And
um it's a it's a true loss um to have uh Corporal Fujier leaving us and um we are certainly going to miss you. So thank you for everything you've done. We wish you Godspeed and we wish you the very best in the next chapter of your life. Thank you.
[Applause] All right. Next up, we have a presentation by the city of St. Cloud Veterans Council. And we have here Trooper Steven Montiero, our vice chair of the citizen of the Veterans Council. Am
I presenting to them? >> Oh, you're present. Feel like I need to put everything on Bluetooth over here. Shut everything off. So, this static There we go. Good evening, guys. My name is Stephen Montier. I'd like to thank the mayor,
the council, the leadership here for allowing me to be here. Uh, for those that don't know, I'd like to also say thank you to the community for allowing me to be here. Um, some of you guys might know me as Trooper Steve, but tonight I'm here as Steven Montierro,
the newly appointed vice chairman of the amazing veterans council that has been developed here in the city of St. Cloud. Representing veterans and their family is something I think that is embedded in the city of St. Cloud. And to have this
creation of this council is a long time coming and I think it is the most beautiful thing that's about to come out of the city of St. Cloud. So who are we and what are we about to get done here? Veterans Council is going to be a diverse group of men and women,
veterans, community members, business owners, large and small, but the drive is all veteran focused. Our mission is to honor our veterans, preserve our city's heritage as the soldier city, and create programs that
connect our military history with today's community needs. Highlighting that our council is not just for veterans. It's for everybody in St. Cloud, but it is veterans focus on all
aspects. Obviously, our legacy here in St. Cloud is Soldier City. Founded as a retirement community for the Union veterans of the Civil War, that title of Soldier City is not just a nickname. It's a living reminder that
service, sacrifice, and unity are the heart of our identity here in St. Cloud. The importance of honoring the past is key, but we are extremely focused on welcoming a new generation of veterans
and citizens who now call the city of St. cloud home. So, a lot of people have asked me, they've reached out, what are you guys going to do? Honestly, we are at 100 miles an hour right now. So, we are in attempt to reach out to other
veterans councils throughout Central Florida and copy what's good. There's nothing wrong with that. The city of Orlando has an amazing veterans council who's highly involved, who's actually sent representatives to our council meetings to kind of see what's going on
to lend a helping hand to the city of St. Cloud. Who would have ever thought that the city limits would have ever city of St. Cloud would have uh city of Orlando would have ever touched Oyola County? Soon to touch probably city of St. Cloud one day. So
what our goal is here is to almost rebrand events here in the coming months and kind of throughout the future. So what you will see is a rebranding of a farmers market to where every Sunday,
every Sunday is going to be themed to represent our veterans in some capacity, including community members. We're in the process of planning our inaugural kickoff coming up just before Veterans Day, which will be absolutely massive.
So, tonight I present to you a logo that we are giving to the council for approval that will identify the city of St. Cloud's Veterans Council. This logo uh has been kind of gone back and forth
a few times. We've looked at it. Our goal with this was simple, true, but modern. And that's uh ultimately the design that we came upon. In closing, I'd like to just commit that
we're here to serve just as those who started here in the city of St. Cloud have. And for those that are going to be coming after us, my job, a lot of people just know me as a squeaky wheel here in Central Florida. My job here on the vice
chair of the city of St. Cloud is one one focus is service. That's it. Whatever our veterans need in St. Cloud, this council is going to provide it. Hopefully, one day we can become a resource center so that you don't need to do the hour and a half up Narusi to
the VA or anything like that to where resources are provided right here in the city of St. Cloud. So, I want to first say thank you to you guys as the council, to the leadership, to the mayor, but I want to say thank you to the community because this is going to be big and we need community
involvement. If you're a veteran, if you support veterans, if you live here in the city of St. Cloud, our doors are open to you. We're going to be big. We're going to be loud. Mayor, and I'm excited to have uh to start this up here in the city of St. Cloud. It's an honor to serve. Thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you, Steve.
Hey, Steve. Stay up here for one minute. Um, I'd like to go ahead and discuss this logo. Uh, you guys have a copy of that up here. I know it's on the agenda, but um, we have to vote on this today, but if we have any comments, we can go ahead and talk about any comments on it right now. >> Yes. And I think if he clicks the
clicker >> Oh, perfect. >> It's there. >> Questions, comments, concerns. You like it, you don't like it? You want me to go back to the drawing board? >> Okay. I don't have lights, so you guys are gonna have to raise your
right. There's no buttons. Okay, >> I guess I love it. Um I love that you guys incorporated the Soldier City um what St. Cloud represents. So, um I have no issues on my end.
>> Thank you. >> Council member, mayor, it looks like the U water tower's up there. It looks like a few buildings. Are those some of our historical buildings? >> I don't believe so. And that was the one comment that I was going to make on that
as well. Um, and maybe that's kind of what what we can kind of hone in on. Council member Urban, do you have anything other than the buildings? >> I I I was going to say the same thing. I know uh Deputy Mayor Gilbert's the graphic design expert up here, but I I um I love it. I think it's great. Uh but
if the buildings could reflect maybe the some of the actual buildings that are in our city, uh that I think that would enhance it even more. That's my other comment. >> Okay. Um see, we've seen the some of us have seen the logo, but I we can't discuss it with
other veterans council members, so this is the first time Steve can hear my comments on this. Um what about city hall? >> What about it? >> What about putting city hall instead of all those buildings? Or is there any other buildings that y'all What I would identify with the city of St.
Um just example what I was thinking of course uh what buildings represent the veterans the veterans building the guard water tower >> can I comment back >> I would have to recuse myself on that would I >> can I comment back uh just I love the
suggestions if that's what we would like I have no problem moving forward but I would ask for assistance on this just simply because it's not easy to replicate simple graphics to represent a simple building. So if if that's the historic I'd love the idea of city hall the
actual water tower and we can go back to the drawing board but if it's able that I'm able to work with the city to get a graphic that we can overlay on that then that could easily be accommodated. >> Okay Dan I'll let you chime in. Well, as
you know, I've sat in on all the meetings. So, the committee's been doing a great job so far. >> Your next meeting is November 13th, >> right? And that's >> that's after. Right. >> So, you really you either I mean I'm
this isn't my field, so I'm not gonna go out here. If you want to move forward, I guess, Steve, with a temporary logo, so you have something in place and maybe you revise after, but you need something in place for your first which is going to happen before your next council.
>> So, >> yes, man. >> Some sort of action right now tonight. >> So, we have a graphic artist on staff who's actually standing up excited to help. >> I'm sure he is. >> Um, so um if that would help um my
question backward, how would I get it approved? >> That's so we can I'm okay with what Dan was suggesting. We go ahead and approve this as the the first round. and get it out out there and then if if we want to adjust it some, we can do that. >> No, I would be 100%. I I would love to
adjust it to where I can get the council to love it, not like it. >> Yeah, the rest of it is great. I think it's amazing. I think uh with all the input from the Veterans Council, I think they really you you all did a very good job with this. >> So, would we be willing to give me an appro give the council approval for the
2025 year logo and then I work with your graphic designer to come up with a 26 logo? That would work at least for me >> like you approve it till the end of this year. >> Approving this until >> Sorry, mayor. >> Yes,
I I would go ahead and we're going to vote on that in the consent so we can pull up from that and make that suggestion. But yes, that's my view on that. >> Yeah, mayor, if I if I may, >> with the color scheme you have now, Stephen, thank you very much. Great job.
Uh, thanks for all you do as a matter of fact. But you're really not missing anything because it's not detailed, >> right? Just need the shape of it. That's it. >> So, you really when we change it out because I'm always thinking of letter head. >> Oh, yeah. This is a swipe out, swipe in kind of thing.
>> Exactly. So, but great great job and I just want to thank you for all your participation. But I back to you may. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I think the request is to just approve this as a logo till the end of the year. >> Yes. >> And then maybe in January you come back with a new logo.
Okay, that'll work. >> It'll be on the consent agenda, which will be pretty soon in here, and then we'll we'll vote on it. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, council. Thank you, mayor. >> Thank you, community. I appreciate you guys. >> Yeah. And thank you, St. Cloud uh
Veterans Council. They've dedicated many hours to to putting this first event together November 9th. So, if y'all can get out there from 10:00 to 2, it'll be veteran resources, community event, uh, farmers market, and we hope to do it every Sunday from here on out from 10:00 to 2.
All right, next up is our consent agenda. The next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial. If anyone in the audience wishes to address a particular item on the consent agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so. Additionally, if staff or members of the
city council wish to speak on a consent item, they have the same opportunity. All right. And council, any items? Of course, the first one, we'll go ahead and pull number one off for discussion. >> I'd like to do three if I may, mayor.
And two and three if I may please. >> Yes, sir. >> Mayor, I'd like to pull items items five and six on the consent agenda for discussion. I think the city manager also
>> item number 13 um in front of the city council that that's the chamber agreement. In front of the city council, there's some revised language um that When you approve it, it would be in including this language which allows us to continue to partner with the chamber
on events and wave fees for budgeted events such as the Christmas parade. >> Yes, >> this revised language. Okay. >> Do we need to talk it any about any further than that? >> Vote on separate >> not unless you want to. Okay. Mayor, may I please the council to talk about
number 12 also, please? Where was the main street was pulled right already from tonight's meeting? >> Yes. >> And where was that at? >> 14. >> I'm going to go ahead and pull number 16 as well.
All right, Council Member Gilbert, we'll go ahead and start with you. >> Okay. >> Item number two. >> Item number two. >> So, we we raised the fees because of taxes are now placed in. Correct.
>> Yes. That that was one of the changes that is included here. >> The only question I had was uh the most done debit cards or Apple Pay or things of that. The processing fee is that the responsibility of the citizen or the
user or is it respons? >> I believe for parks and recck that we absorb that Stephanie. Do we absorb it? Yes, we absorb it >> because you're you're looking at putting tax in you have to pay government tax
and you know $5 gig by the time you pay the tax and processing fee is a $320. Just so the council knows that when those there are certain minimums that trans transactional cost come in with lower fee items the same as they do with
higher fee items a certain percentage of their thereof but there are minimums. So just so we know when we look at >> we're not going to make no amending the the language. >> No, I don't want to. I just want to make it so when we do look at fees in the
future, we take the minimum fees that are given to us by by the banks in the process and e services is what it's called during that time to do that. just to bring it up to the council for future reference. >> All right. And resolution number three.
I'm number two stillaches which I person but what I have to think of is when we did it in the past there was a three person limit a coach assistant coach and coordinator or organizer on the specific
team. So you have seven coaches and 50% discount on seven coaches. So I didn't note that language mayor and council if it pleases you that we just put a number on that just for basketball. We look at each sport for a number of coach assistant coach and I like to call
coordinators or people that get that all fixed up. So if I could put if we put a number in it so it doesn't exceed three I I'd appreciate your thoughts and considerations in that. >> Okay. So we're going to vote on that separate to include that language. Is that correct? I'll let you make that
motion, restate that motion when we >> after you talk about number two maybe. >> Yeah. And I'm sorry. I'm still on two and I apologize for my length, but the this is after my dear heart. We had the swim in this and I think parks and rec did a great job. If you read the new uh
fees, they did they covered it all. But what one thing I did did not see in that is that last time council uh gave the exception of handicapped people that participate at no cost in the swimming area. And I'd like to see that part of the the words also. But we did vote on
that. We did that qualifying to do that as handicap, but I'd still like to see that in in this these notes if if it pleases council. >> Yes, sir. >> Can I would ask for your notes can Can we move forward with the unwasers and
let us look a little bit further at that one issue related to the disabled individuals and the fees a little bit more? There's >> there's some definitional things that we're going to have to work through to basically make sure that we're doing it and figure out how we're going to verify and certify things those kind of
things. >> And I certainly appreciate that Dan with all your vast knowledge and experience and tenure. I'm gonna let you handle that. Um, so what you're saying, go ahead and pass it and then we can amend it.
>> Yeah, we'll let us look into that one piece and then we'll move. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. The last thing I have to say is that is the $30 an hour per staff is that all day any day each day, no matter if it's Monday through Sunday from 8
a.m. to 7:59 a.m. That that that price is very reasonable for a staff member at $30 because if you look at what you payenefits, It's really a break even cost over time. If that's something you want to address, I just leave it the way it
is. Just bring it up to to pleasure of council. And that's all I got for number two, mayor. >> All right. And item number three. >> Okay. Item number three,
special event co-sponsorships. If you look at underneath, we have a packet of information that says City of St. Cloud address special event sponsorship and fee reduction waiver policy. Did you have that in your packet?
It's it's a 20 25 152R PR event. Which one is it? It be the uh 20 2025 152 RPR event sponsorship and fee waiver policy exhibit A. >> Got it. >> Okay. Underneath responsibility page three.
Tell me when you like if you pull that information up. >> This is the existing policy that we are repealing with this resolution. >> Perfect. I think my answer has been answered by the city manager. is going to be repealed because the free
reduction. I don't know what the council's pleasure is, but who's going to approve it and who's going to be able to qualify and quantify it? Um, those are special things I think council needs to work on. So, when we go back to the
revision of this, it said, but if you look at the old uh responsibility fee and the first paragraph, that's going to be changed is what the city manager told. >> This This resolution is to repeal the existing special event policy. And what you were just pulling up is the existing
special event policy. >> So th this will go away completely with the approval of the resolution as part of the consent agenda. >> Thank you for your explanation, city manager. That was awesome. So that's just talk to council and city manager
answered it 100%. So thank you. >> Yes, sir. Okay. So we're good with three. All right. And Dan, I'll let you speak on number five. >> Number five, five and six are companion items and um I can probably talk with them together. These are they both
involve the Edgewater project. Uh these are triparty agreements involving OciO county and the developer in the city. Of course, in front of you, there's two issues, but in front of you are some additional exhibits that are being included in the agreement. These exhibits were not part of your packet,
but if the council were to consider this and approve these items tonight, we'd want those exhibits. Those are essentially bond forms that the county is using and they wanted them to be incorporated in agreement. Also, with regard to these agreements, the the county is still reviewing some of the
let's call boilerplate legal legal language that's in these agreements. Uh they haven't completed the review. Uh we would we would if the council is so inclined, we would request that the council approve the items as is, but with the caveat that our office working
with the city manager can remove review nonsubstantial changes to the legal language that the county attorney's office is working on so that we can get these approved tonight and we can move forward on it and we don't have to bring it back in the event that the agreements are rework. So um I've talked to Mr. to
from the county about it. Um and uh you know he he assures me that these are minimal changes. They're more wording or changes that we just need to work through on the language in the agreement. So when you approve, if you are so inclined for items five and six on your agenda, uh when when you approve
them, we'd like you to approve them with the ex addition of the exhibits that are in front of you as as well as granting our our office working with the city manager to make nonsubstantial changes to the agreement moving forward after we receive the comments from the county
attorney's office. >> Any questions? >> So we're not going to pull it. You said just uh You're going to work on it. >> I'll work it. But if you could you can approve it as part of the consent agenda with that understanding. That's that's how it's as I just explained.
>> Okay. Do we need we don't need to pull that and make a separate >> No, I don't think it needs a separate motion. >> Okay. Thank you. And so you spoke on both of those items. >> Yes, it was five and six. All right. Uh, Council Me, uh, Deputy Mayor Gilbert, uh, resolution number 12.
For resolution number 12 is the OA agreement that we have in front of us. If you guys have it, uh, if not, I have a copy. Um, I've attended the OA meeting for straight years. It's a It's a good meeting. We take a bus there,
meet reps, we have reception. When this started in LA, there was a banquet that was held and all the reps came to the banquet, all legislators. I just don't know if we're getting our bang for the buck for $30,000 because we
usually go up a day early and meet with the same people we're meeting with that's organized and it's a 15inut They come in, they talk to us, 15 minutes Q&A, and then they're whistled out. I just want the pleasure of the council to look at is that $30,000 being
well spent or can we spend it with our own or as we make our trips up to Tallahassee individually or as a group to ask for those same things. Now, it's good that we get to work with the board, we get to work with the county, we get
to work with Cassini and St. Cloud. We have one federal and one state city manager, correct me if I'm wrong, that represents O. So they're selling O projects, not necessarily St. Cloud or
Casino or schoolboard projects. So being a steward of the citizens money, I just want the council to look at is $30,000. Are we getting our bang for the buck for that? Now some may say we are and and I would like you all to consider that before approve
this u this money, but that's up to you. Um I looked at it. I've been three times to Olay. It's a great gathering of constituents that we know, people that we know, but it's five hours on the bus there, five hours on the bus back. And
usually we go early and see all the same folks we see the next two days. Mayor, >> if I could just Mr. Gilbert, could you speak into your microphone? I think they're >> I'm sorry hearing you back. I'm sorry. this. I I got these bright lights in my eyes. I can't see, but I got you. It's right there.
>> You pull the mic, though. >> I will the whole thing. >> Um, no, I understand what you're saying. Um, would you like to rem Maybe we vote to remove it. That way we can get some more information. We can speak with with the Olay folks and kind of see what we're actually getting. I would ask at
least that mayor to each like have a and I did talk to the um the chamber uh member that runs it street very good guy but I just didn't see where the meat and potatoes were but that's if we can move
it till we get a presentation or something and get some benchmarks and some really good answers I would like to look at it that way if we could mayor >> okay yeah and I understand that we went up a few days earlier and you went up with the O group on bus and I found it
beneficial to meet, you know, where everybody was sitting down together with the county commissioners, the the state reps, everybody in one room, the city council members from from CMI as well. So, there is some value to it. And of course, the next day, you know, they
they bring in a caravan of of elected officials, you know, state reps. But >> yeah, let's I would agree with that. Let's go ahead and remove it and then uh vote on it later, get some more information. Can I just make a comment as well before we move on? Um, and I I
agree with um I had these same questions during my briefing with our city manager. Um, but um, from what I understand as well and and I I think um, when we go to Tallahassee, we drove up early as a city, I think that was much more beneficial. But also from what I
understand is that um, the Olay U organization is is much more than just that weekend. It's showing the unified voice as all of the cities and government organizations in OciOla County uh being unified up in Tallahassee. And I think one of the benefits that we got out of it this year
was our our fire boat, which I I think would have been worth the the 30,000 the $30,000 that that we paid in. Maybe some years we don't get uh that much of a benefit, but I think this year it did. So, I just wanted to since this is the only time that we can talk to each
other, I wanted to just keep that in mind. and I'm open to uh getting more information and learning more about it before we vote on it though. >> Mayor, if I may, council member, I I agree with you. I just would like to see what we what we what we're getting and and I know they do reports. They also
work during time to help push through some causes that we have. I just like to see some benchmarks and some timelines uh as we go forth that I yield back to you, Mayor. >> All right, city manager. When's the deadline to sign that agreement? Well, um
I I don't know that there's a deadline except for the fact that session is earlier this year. So, um we have a a meeting later on, I think at the at the end of October, where we would be selecting our legislative priorities that Olay would would be um sponsoring
for the year. And then we have October 27th, the Oyola delegation um and typically Olay hosts a lunch um with the representatives from the delegation and St. Cloud is invited as an Olay member.
Um so I I could I could ask Mr. New Street to come to our October workshop. Um when Deputy Mayor Gilbert and I met with him earlier today, he did tell me he he had actually reached out to the lobbyists and that he was trying to get from the lobbyists
some some additional metrics to provide. So I think he was expecting this. Um, I I do know that earlier this week, City of CMI postponed their decision. So, um, you know, I I think having it at the workshop, we could potentially get those answers for you, but we wouldn't have
another council meeting until November. So, we wouldn't necessarily have the Olay sponsorship of one of our projects until November. >> What do you want to do, >> Mayor? If I may, and I'd like council's
opinion and if we do go ahead with this to get the benchmarks and the metrics so we know, I just would like us to be more involved when we talk about lobbyists and spending citizens, taxpayer dollars. I I don't have the
answers. That's why I bring these questions up to council during these meetings because this is the only time we get to talk to you all. But I'd really like input on this one. Yeah, I if we don't do it then we miss the vote on being represented this year. Correct. >> I don't know that for the entire year we
would we may miss the October 27th delegation meeting. Um but I mean >> the delegation meeting where we all where you and I went and spoke Yes. >> about our projects. >> Yes.
>> That's important. I don't know that it's important to have a lobbyist at that meeting. I think that the best the lunchon the lunchon >> No, you and I will still be speaking >> there. Yes, we will still >> we won't miss that. >> Correct. Correct. That will that would
not be affected by this decision. We will be we will be going regarding to present. >> When the lobbyist goes up and explains pro the Olay lobbyists go up and explain projects, we won't be on their agenda on their list of projects they explain to the delegation.
I I believe he also gets up and explains at the end of the meeting. I I I don't remember if he actually does. I do know that they do the lunchon for all the representatives and that's the big Olay event. Um I I don't I I think the only risk is is
the lunchon on October 27th. >> I can miss out on the lunch. >> Well, if I could. So the the way the the way the agreement is supposed to work once the cities and the two cities in the county and the school district get involved once the parties are all in place the the representatives of those
committees who represent the board of O are supposed to get together and pick the legislative issues. Mrs. Miller pointed out that that meeting is scheduled for the towards the end of later this month. >> I'm going to check right now. So I would imagine if you did not approve the
agreement tonight, you would not have a seat at the table at that meeting. So the city wouldn't be able to participate in those legislative issues that OA is going to move forward this session because that's that meeting is set up to
identify the issues with with the idea of moving forward to the legislative delegation and then ultimately to to Tallahassee when the session starts. That meeting is October 24th. >> When's our next workshop? >> 23rd.
>> We can have a special meeting. >> We can set it up as a special meeting to take action. >> We'll take action the day before. That's all right. We'll get the facts in the next week and a half or so and then do that. >> Okay, we can do that. >> So, we'll go ahead and um we're going to pull that for a separate vote. Actually,
why don't we have the ability to call a special meeting? So, essentially, we can do that for the 23rd. We can remove this off the agenda tonight and have to take no action on it and just put it back on for that special meeting on the 23rd of October. >> Yep. Let's go ahead and call for that special meeting October 23rd. You want
to do it just prior to the the workshop? >> As part of the workshop. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And city manager, are you done with that? >> Yes, sir. Yes, Mayor. >> Uh, city manager, item number 13.
>> Oh. Um I I mentioned earlier there's a sheet of paper for the Chamber of Commerce re um agreement a revised section number five adding some additional language that just says additionally subject to an annual appropriation by the city council as may
be necessary. City shall provide further support or sponsorship to chamber in the form of the waiver of applicable use or permit review fees for any chamber special event as part of which city has agreed to participate as an event partner and that was because we were
trying to capture the Christmas parade. >> Okay. And now that that's read into the record, we can just keep that in their vote. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. >> All right. Let's go ahead and Let's go back to number one, please. That is the St. Cloud Veterans Council
logo. Actually, I think we just leave it on there, right? Because we're going to Or do we want to vote just to do this at the 2025 one and then >> I think that's part of our understanding from the discussion we had earlier. So, I think you can leave it on. >> Let's leave it on that. >> I mean, just leave it. Exactly. Take a
vote on the consent agenda. >> Okay. and then we can amend it next year. >> Right. And then we'll bring it back in January with for 2026. >> All right. Thank you. All right. And resolution number
uh item number 16, please. Um Melissa, can you please come up to the the podium here? Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. >> Thank you.
>> I mean, first thing that just stuck out. This says that it's located north of Clay Whedvision. These are the town homes. I don't have the map in front of me. >> These are single family attached homes. So these are town homes.
>> It is south of Clay. >> South of Clay. >> Okay. Do we need to fix that? >> You just made a clarification. There's nothing that needs to be fixed other than you just clarified that for the record. >> Okay. Um and you and I spoke about this
and and I was just I have concerns about it being so close to the interchange. Right now we have a um obviously with the traffic right there until the new interchange is built. Uh this seems a little little too close to
that. Is there a a representative from this developer here today for this project? Yes, sir. >> Good evening, council. Sean Hendel, Hansel, Walter Associates, representing the applicant. >> Hey, Sean. Hey,
>> Sean. What's the timeline for construction on this development? >> Uh, construction is probably going to take about 12 months and then homes after that. So, probably another nine months. So, you're probably about two years that you'll see people start
living there. And that's if they have a builder. Right now they don't have a builder. >> Right. Yeah. And my concern is that from what I've seen is it's possibly 27 28. I mean we don't have a definite
>> Yeah. So the new interchange is scheduled to be done in 28, but that's all the improvements. So that's all the additional lanes on the turnpike. They'll open the interchange and close the existing interchange ahead of that.
They can't open the new interchange until the existing one's closed. And they can't remove the existing one because of the weaving analysis. So, they've got to get the new interchange opened and then they'll shut off the existing interchange and close that. That'll happen ahead of the lanes and then they'll continue building the lanes
and they have until 2028 to finish that. So, I'm assuming in my discussions with Junior Davis that you're probably looking at 2027 opening of the interchange and then a 2028 of all the lanes on the on the turnpike to being complete. So, this project will still be
in construction most likely before that interchange is opened. Um, we're ahead of schedule right now or right on schedule for the extension of Crossbury Parkway. So that will be completed in February of this year to the north side
of the wetland and then the urban center will continue that road north plus the connection to the new interchange. So that'll be open before the interchange is open. When you say through the wetland, what
about all the way to tying it to tooka? What's the timeline on that? Do you know? tying into Tohokuan. That's a separate project with Oscill County. So, they did get an appropriation from the state this year for $6.5 million. Um, that
project's probably county could answer better, but I'm going to guess since they haven't started design and they're just in a PD&E that it's probably a couple years out. So, it probably be a couple years after the interchange is open. But, I think Ray Stangle's here and he could probably address that.
>> Okay. Okay. Would somebody from from the county like to speak on this about the regarding the opening of Cross Prairie? Mr. Tomas, >> we're so glad you came. >> I was looking at him back there. I was hoping he'd say, "Yeah, I'll come on up there."
>> He loves talking. >> Hi. Um Dave Tom, Ociola County. Um right now we're planning on uh opening the rest of cross prairie Parkway from Tohokua up to the Noli interchange by the end of the calendar year 2027.
So all as well in line with when the turnpike stuff opens. >> All right. Council, do you have any comments on this? All right. Thank you very much. >> Go Tigers.
>> So, Sean, it seems like it's all kind of at the same time. Um, by the time the these units are ready to sell that road will be done. >> Yes, sir. >> That's kind of what we're looking at. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. And the county has a plan for
widening the rest of Clay Whley. So, that'll happen as well with development. So there will be additional improvements on Clay Whale as well, making everything that is west of Crossberry Parkway will be a two-lane divided and everything that is east of Crossberry Parkway over
the turnpike will be a fourlane divided except for the bridge area. That'll be a four-lane undivided. >> Thank you, sir. You're welcome. All right. Can we get a motion on the consent agenda? Minus >> minus 14 15.
>> That's it. >> That's it. >> Yep. 14 and 15. >> But mayor, if I could for Mr. Gilbert's comments on number two, which seemed like a long time ago, the with the exception of of the um no um >> you wanted to limit the coach's discount
to three >> three coaches per per basketball team a coach assistant coach and a manager call whatever whatever so the limit >> would you like to make a motion on the entire consent agenda with those changes for item number two
>> if I may make a motion with those >> is that number two >> number two yes >> we have a motion from deputy mayor Gilbert Second from council member Urban. Madame clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul.
>> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 4 Z. >> All right. Next we have the citizens forum. Any person who desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address
city council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or soon as they're practical thereafter the person addresses the council. And first up we have Michelle Bonsac.
microphone. >> Oh, microphone's back there, ma'am. >> Good evening. Um, I just came to address the lakefront. The reeds are growing all through the swimming area and I see kids playing in there and they have a toy
library. I mean, it's set up really, really nice. And that's a beautiful, beautiful place in St. Cloud. And it just seems kind of awful for the reads to be growing up. So, you can't really swim in there. And
um gives room for alligators to hide out. And if there was any way to cut down those reads so that swimming area was clear would be great. I'm happy to have staff um do whatever
we can according to D standards. >> May I ask city manager, what are we allowed to do? What is the um the water? >> I would have to ask um our parks and recreation director um Stephanie Hulamp
to address that. >> I don't want to misinform you. I think >> I didn't want to. FWC has their own rules and I just don't want to uh do anything that we cannot do. >> I just want to ask one question. Don't
they have to um cut the reads out of the boat launches so the boats can come out in and out without getting tangled up? >> Miss Holamp will be able to answer that. She's she's the expert on staff for us. >> Okay.
>> So, should I go back and sit down? >> Yes. Okay. Hi, good evening. Stephanie Holcamp, parks and recreation director. So, yeah, we we are issued a permit by Florida Fish and Wildlife to be able to maintain um certain aquatic vegetation within our
permitted area along Lake Shore. So, it depends on the vegetation, if it's native and non-native, if we can actually treat it. And then with the rain and the water levels, that also affects how much vegetation is growing. But we'll we'll take a look at it. >> Thank you, Stephanie. >> Yep.
>> And thank you for the great report to and rack. You guys did a great job. >> All right, next up we have Don Gray. My name is Don Gray. 409 Florida Avenue. Excuse my voice. I have laryngitis. My wife is celebrating.
I want to talk to you about Florida Avenue. I don't know whether if I missed it about um talking about the reasonzoning of our street. I didn't see it in the uh the agenda and last time I came they said >> Don actually I think we're going to have it on the agenda here. Public hearing
number one the the future lane use. >> Yeah. >> Yes sir. That'll be after the citizens forum. Okay. Good. >> You'll have an opportunity to speak on that. >> Okay. Um anyway, I want to talk to you about what's going on on on Florida Avenue. >> Is it different than the future lane use? >> Uh no. This is just the condition of
the, you know, >> most of the people I talked to on Florida Avenue were not in favor of this bike path that went through because they all said the same thing that it took away from our small town. Um, look, um,
with that being said, it doesn't look all that bad, but what they did was they took two feet of either side of the road away from us. And then what they did was they told us that the cement sidewalk that was winding down through our street was going to be a bike path. Well, it's
kind of hard to be a bike path when you're out there walking walking your dog. Um this morning I almost got run over uh by two electric bicycles and two scooters. Um just trying to walk my dog.
Um then when we were told that the street was going to be uh the uh the bike path was going to be just that. But then we turn around, we find out that you've made our entire street a bike path. And this morning again while I was out walking my dog, I saw an old lady on
a tricycle almost get hit by a truck because they're coming down the road and this woman is just innocently pedalling herself down the road and this guy had to go off to the side and she had to swerve up on this sidewalk to be able to get away from this. Now I know this is
probably Chief Gorki's department um but I really want to have it looked into. And then the condition of our road is horrible. Um, from Third Avenue down to to uh uh my house, the road is almost constantly underwater, especially right
up there at the head of our block at at Third Street. It's always underwater on both sides. I don't know whether there's a broken sprinkler or something in there, but it's constantly underwater. Our roads are horrible. We've got commercial traffic that goes down that
road, as well as people my age. You think it'd be the young kids speeding down the road. It's 60 70 year old guys going down the road must be having their second childhood or something. Um, but it's really dangerous. And then on top of that, the as I said, the condition of
the road. You watch these commercial trucks going down to crappy bills and you watch the the sections of the cement jumping as the trucks go down the road. Um, and I really think that needs to be addressed. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you, Don. Uh, Kevin, can you please come up to the podium?
Kevin, >> you and Jeff playing tic-tac-toe back there. >> Hey, Kevin. Hey. Um, you sent an email this week that I think Fourth Street, Florida was repaired today or yesterday, right? >> Yeah. Well, because yeah, there was a a
large dip there. Um, and so like I said, we did a temporary repair and then we are still looking at the the underground utilities to make sure that that gets repaired also. So we we've done a a temporary repair and then we are in the process of making sure we have a final repair out there also. >> Okay. Are you familiar with any any other drainage issues or waters?
>> Um, like I said, it's something that that we'd be glad to look at. Like I said with the the spring, I wasn't aware of something that stays wet all the time. I I'll be glad to go out there and uh look at that corridor from uh the entire Florida Avenue from 10th to Lake Shore uh tomorrow morning and and take a look at it. I know we got some uh pretty
extensive rain this afternoon. And so I said it'd be a good thing to be able to see where we're at tomorrow morning. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. And and so is there a bike path in the road or is it just on the trail? Do we designate bikes to go down the road? >> I do not know the answer to that. That wasn't that wasn't one of my projects
and I I do apologize. I I know about the backpack down in the middle, but I'm not I I don't know. >> Can we look into that? Just get some information and we can get in touch with Don on that. Kind of figure out. >> Be glad to. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. If I could say something, mayor, there is a sign that says when you turn on Florida Avenue, I saw the other day. It says
bikes can use the whole road and I thought it was a little odd. I didn't know why. Maybe that's something we could look into changing. >> Okay, city manager. That's good. Thank you, Don, for bringing that to our attention.
>> Mayor, if you may, could you address the consent agenda item you just mentioned now? >> Yes, sir. >> Well, you should probably do it. >> Yep. Uh, we didn't have public comment on the consent agenda. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on any item on the consent agenda? >> All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Next we have George Alvarado, Mr. Footsaw. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the council, allow me to read this real quick. >> Can we get your name and address, sir, for the record? >> Just for the record. Your name and address.
>> George Alvarado. >> Thank you. >> And your address. You got to read it. >> 1861 Valley Forge Drive, St. Cloud 34769. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Members of the council, Mr. Mayor, good evening. My name is George Alvarado and I'm the founder and director of the St.
Cloud Footsaw, a community-based training program dedicated to the development of youth and adult soccer players through the discipline of footsaw. My background and residency. I'm a proud resident of St. cloud over 20 years, 25 to be exact, deeply
invested in the growth, safety, and recreation of our local youth. My work and service history, I'm a retired medical professional with decades of healthc care service. I'm a former firefighter and EMT dedicated to public
s uh safety and service experience and leadership, emergency response, and community outreach. volunteer sports contributions to our Scloud community. Volunteer coach to the St. Cloud soccer club for 10 years. Co-founder of the first St. Cloud Adult Soccer Club, which
represented the city of St. Cloud in the Central Florida Soccer League, and won multiple tournaments and league uh titles. Over 12 years operating St. Cloud football, developing youth and players and adult players. We led St. cloud teams into the state national foot
tournaments including ESPN USA and footsaw world championships. The program has been based at the St. Cloud Civic Center since 2013 and I'm deeply grateful to the city of St. Cloud and Parks and Recreations Department for
opening the doors to our program and supporting our mission. My current requests and goals are we need additional space and extended hours to accommodate our program youth uh growth. Seeking access to under underutilized areas such as Neptune Middle School.
Just find out they have an outdoor foot court in other in other city facilities. The goal is to expand our community training center to provide more structured safe and affordable youth development opportunities in St. Cloud.
my closest statement. I'm proud to call St. Cloud my home and have to and to have contributed to the recreational and athletic growth to more than two decades. My goal is to continue building the spaces where our youth can train,
grow, and represent the city with pride through foot and sportmanship. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been here, like I said, 25 years begging the city of St. about to help us grow in the soccer community and nothing has been done in
25 years almost 27 years that I've been here. I beg you please. We need it's time to start doing something for the soccer community. They just I know my time elapsed. Can I have 30 seconds? >> Absolutely. >> The baseball community have been given
$10 million or something like that. It was publicized as beautiful. I have no complaints. My grandkids play baseball. So I'm very happy for them. But the sake community has been left out completely. St. crowd as you all know is over 95% of
residential and it keeps growing and growing. We keep getting phone calls and there's no way to supply. People come to our program, my program, our program crying literally knowing that that saying that there's nothing in St. Cloud. There's no there's no soccer
complexes. They're tired to be traveling to ESPN, Windermir, Winder Park, Orlando, Lake Nona because they have nothing in St. cloud except my program in St. Cloud soccer club which is located at Missouri. You all know that.
But unfortunately this this uh soccer fields supposedly for for the city of St. Cloud but it's is managed by just one club and is very hard access to get to those fields for training and development. So please I beg you on behalf of the soccer
community and myself to help us grow. let's do something about uh our our kids because they they're really suffering. They're going they have to go miles and miles in order to um do what they love to do. And now people are coming from other cities into
our Scloud area to open up soccer clubs and there's nothing we can do about it from inside. So, thank you very much for listening. >> Yes, sir. George, um I've been out there. He runs an amazing program. You said you've been running at a civic center for how many years now? >> 2013. almost almost 13 years.
>> Almost 13. Yeah. And one of the things I I've been finding over the past couple me weeks is we do have limited space in our civic centers or or um you know with the girls cheerleading, they've been looking for space and the um of course with with the soccer club and and
you know it's tough but but I promise you we will continue working with you to try and find a solution. I think it's important to have our kids in the sports programs. I think it's you run a great program. I know deputy mayor over here. He was big. He was a big foot basketball
coach at Harmony, right? >> Yep. >> So, um, please continue to work with parks and wreck. We still continue to work with you. Try and find something. You you did send me information on Neptune. Hopefully that that pans out. >> Yes. >> So, >> thank you very much. I appreciate it.
>> Yes, sir. Thanks for coming and addressing that. >> Good night. Richard McConna. >> Good evening, sir. >> Richard McConna, 5120 Helen Court, St. Cloud. The reason I came is now the city's overlooking some of these or
looking over some of these developments. There's a lot of asphalt and concrete and a lot more water going into the Alligator Lake chain and there's still only one little canal letting that water out. I've lived there 50 years and I'm not in the flood zone, but things are
changing and I think these developers need to retain a little more of their retention water on the east side of town because all those developments on the east side end up in Alligator Lake. Still the same old little canal. It's been there forever.
>> Yeah. Which area specific that you think the the the water's running into the lakes at? Well, there's a lot more asphalt and and the retention ponds are releasing a lot of water quickly. And I think there's a problem on Hickory Tree Road right now of a big new uh
apartment complex with a self storage unit. They're pumping water already because they're in trouble. They don't have enough retention. >> Okay. So, you're saying any future developments near the lake, we need to to look at >> anything on the east side of town eventually ends up in the Alligator Lake
chain eventually and one canal and a lot more retention ponds draining into that lake system. And I think the city or whoever's in charge of retention, we've been using the same system, I think, for many, many years. And there's a lot more asphalt.
>> Maybe we bring that back up. I know we we had a workshop regarding the Alligator Lake and and the ch the chain of lakes. Maybe we'll bring that back up in another workshop to address that issue because we've talked about design, you know, developments around there, but that was one that that uh you're the
first to bring that to my my attention. >> It's it's going to be a problem sooner or later. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Richard. I appreciate you bringing that to our Gordon Brown. >> Yeah, give us one second, Gordon. We have a microphone coming down to you.
I don't know how well I'm present this, but I'll give it a shot. So, just flip over this. Start on the top, work your way down. Hopefully I'll do it fast. Uh Gordon Brown, 337 New York Avenue.
Shoot. Wish we could turn off the lights. Um that's the street. I had complained before about how I'm backing up to the uh grocery store and all that. And basically every day the dumpsters are
releasing this uh debris and Could you advance to the next slide again? That's the other end. And um I actually called the city hall I mean the city refuge company refuge
company and they said well there's not much we can do but what it is they need to get a larger dumpster. you got to force the uh owners to somehow decide to pay for more dumpster removal. And then
I called in here to uh city hall and someone suggested we'll just have them have lids that have to be locked. I assume when I mentioned this last week, no nobody from the city has moved on it. Can you go to the next one?
But the one thing I I stumbled on right there that might help force them to do it, it's out of the same cloud code. It mentions right there in the bottom red, you're losing it, but it mentions that
the dumpsters have to be screened with an opaque material uh to keep a firm view of the street. I don't know if the city can enforce that. Uh, so far again, nothing's been done. And
you know, here's the fun part. Go to the next picture, please. But when they came out, I think it's a coincidence. I hope it is. I got a code enforcement letter that said I've got to remove get a permit on
my fence. So that's the fence right there. And the reason I had to do that is because I'm not allowed a fence because they say there's no house on the property, no residents on the property, even though I
have a relatively large building, more than 800 square feet on the property. And so guess who got about five violations? the nothing happened in the trash
business. But can you go to the next slide, please? Something went wrong. Oh, yeah. So, there's something that's being sneaked into the uh code
and it allows for a very >> You can continue. >> Holy cow. All right. Um, so short story long, I got five complaints about my property, but nothing happened about the city
property. But one, that fence was said it was not appropriate, had to be taken down and needed a permit. There's an irrigation system of above ground garden hoses. They said, "I got to file
a permit on my irrigation system." There's a above ground pool there. There's probably about 20 pages. Above ground pools have to have the same permit process as a below ground pool.
It's almost about 20 pages of permit for above ground pool. And the last one, I mean, I'd love to show you the pictures. I had uh um one of these tents canopies up. They said, "Oh, we got to take down your temporary shade structure
and I frankly think everything I got was mean-spirited. Something's funny is going on with code enforcement and I'd love to have people look into it. I'd love to have a committee to review why almost everything that a permanent is required
for on your property. They say you have to have official drawing made up. Well, typically that's about $1,200 worth of cost, which I think is undue burden. If if you want to put up a little kiddie pool, you've got to submit a drawing
showing that that kitty pool where it is on your property. >> Yes, sir. So they can they can be mean when they want to and say, "Hey, you don't have that fancy drawing." >> All right. Well, I appreciate your concerns and what we'll do is we'll go ahead and ask the city manager to speak
with staff to sit down with you and go over all of your concerns. Uh those are all things that that need to be handled at the staff level. >> Staff. Okay. I Well, first of all, the manager of
code enforcement apparently doesn't exist anymore right now. >> I'm sorry, I can't hear you. >> The manager of code enforcement, he's not here anymore. >> I I am unsure that about that position, but if you speak with the city manager's office, they can schedule a meeting with the director.
>> Okay. >> Or with staff. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. You submit that. >> Thank you, Gordon. All right. Would anyone in the else in the audience like to speak during the public forum?
>> Can I ask one last question? >> Uh, yes, sir. Really quick. >> Okay. How would we solve this? >> You're gonna have to speak speak with the city manager's office. They'll schedule an appointment to speak with staff. >> So, I actually have the person over code enforcement standing waiting to talk to
you as soon as as soon as you um move back. >> She's she's headed that way. All right, we'll go ahead and wait for um still have a quorum. >> Yes. Okay. All right. We'll go ahead and
move on to public hearings. Uh will the clerk please read item number one? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2024-50. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida adopting a large scale comprehensive plan amendment pursuant to section 163.3184
Florida statutes and amending future land use element of the comprehensive plan project CPA24-0000007 providing for amending official future lands land use text and map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations and proof of publication applicability
in effect severability copies on file codificate codification copies on file scriveners errors and effective Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This item before you tonight is for the amendment of the future land use element
of the comprehensive plan. As you all know, Florida statutes requires all cities and counties to adopt and maintain comprehensive plans that are consistent with state statutes.
As part of this mandate, we are required to evaluate our plan at least every seven years and update it to ensure consistency with any changes in state requirements, to accommodate population growth and other changes in local conditions, and to provide proper local
planning and effective growth management. This update to the future land use element is um intended to establish a framework to address community needs, advance community dur driven vision. It
also governs the general distribution of uses and the character of land throughout the city and it promotes growth management practices that align with the community's goals while ensuring compliance with state requirements and regulations.
So back in 2017, the city developed a visionary plan titled Envision St. Cloud. And the plan included uh building blocks to implement the vision. And what those uh building blocks were intended
to do was to create a livable town that embraces both the downtown and lakefront with planning practices that reinforce our history and local character. Um so the intention is to balance character and growth, expand employment
opportunities and celebrate parks lakes open space, improve connectivity for all modes and enh enhance the downtown experience. So one thing that we want to reinforce is that um there's no off
switch for growth. Um it's driven by national, state, and regional socioeconomic factors. And therefore, we are proactively planning for growth and advancing our long these long-term goals uh while doing it. And these building
blocks are the key foundation of the update of this future land use element. And just to give a very brief overview of this particular effort, we started working on this a few years ago, but since last year we started focusing
heavily on the data analysis which is required by state law and um before the updates we it helped us identify the needs for the for this update process. The analysis was followed by community outreach and drafting of our updated
policies and future land use map. Uh this included multiple workshops with council bringing us to this evening where we hope uh this will lead to the adoption of the update. Um but the work does not end here. Once this element is
adopted, it has to be implemented through uh corresponding changes in our land development code. Okay. Many of these changes have been uh we've been discussing in the flat last few months. Um they are based on a few
key findings as you can see. Um most importantly we need to properly balance our built environment. We have discussed extensively in the last few workshops and presentations the fact that St. Cloud needs to increase our economic
opportunities. Um our current jobs to housing ratio is 0.57. Uh that essentially means that for every two homes there's one job. And so the current framework or development pattern
that the city has will not meet St. Cloud's future housing or employment needs. And our goal is to bring that balance up to one over the next 20 years. And that would mean one job per
every one household based on current city limits. Um we need an additional 232 acres of commercial lands. We'll need an additional 580 acres of industrial and office space. and we'll need uh or it
appears that our institutional need needs are met at this time. So um as you all probably know we are required by state statutes to use the Bureau of Economic and Business Research Estimates more specifically um also
known as Bieber. We are required to use the Bieber medium estimates as our benchmark when planning for population growth. These are the county level projections. Um and our city corresponds to approximately 15% of that total. Uh
we'll discuss St. Cloud's numbers specifically on the next slide. Um however uh the important takeaway here is um from this slide is that our region will continue to grow and by 2045 which is our planned horizon we should expect
the county's population to grow um by 40% compared to today. And we should also note that growth in central Florida has historically outpaced the medium projections. So these numbers are actually conservative. Since Bieber only estimates population
at the county level, we have engaged our own consultant uh metro forecasting to develop estimates for St. Cloud. And as you see here, uh we expect a growth of 60% during the next 20 years. Um and
and that's versus the overall county's growth of 40%. And these numbers uh do not account for annexations. So as we continue to strate strategically annex areas, the corresponding growth will shift from the county's totals to our
share. Okay. A second component of this um population estimates employment. If we continue on the same trajectory, our jobs to housing balance may slightly increase to seven jobs per household by
2045. But of course, that falls short of the city's goal of having a onetoone jobs to housing ratio. Okay. So, there are consequences to ignoring growth management. Um, we can't
by law. Um but if we did ignore um managing the growth then it could cause increased cost of housing for rent sorry increased cost of housing and rent for new and existing residents. Um it could
u delay home ownership for families. It does increas commute times and transportation costs. um businesses may struggle to attract and retain workers and it will be a strain on public
programs, infrastructure and services. So considering everything we have just discussed, here's a quick overview of our proposed changes. We have changed our future land use categories to better align with the goals of the city. And so
we um have adopted or we are proposing to adopt the JPA future land use categories. And those categories are intended to match county designations that are within the JPA area but outside of city limits. So as properties annex
into the city. council has the flexibility of accepting the um entitlements as are as are existing in the in the county rather than us always having to go through the PUD processes
um to to accept uh plans that are outside of the mixed use districts but already have development approvals. And then we have um consolidated our private institutional which essentially is the office use with our industrial
use into the employment future land use and um that is to identify areas for diverse economic activity. The institutional future land use um consolidates public, civic and community
into community services into a single designation. And the neighborhood commercial future land use is a new designation that allows limited commercial uses and will serve as a gradual transition for
Lakeshore Boulevard and Florida Avenue corridors. I'll get into that in more detail on a later slide. Okay. And the JPA infill centers are also existing centers within the county's land land development code,
sorry, within the county's future land use element and within the joint planning area of the county. So this would allow us to um assign the same land uses on properties as we annex them
into the city. And the JPA medium density and intensity is also an existing future land use designation in the county that has um been designated on certain lands in the
joint planning area. So those two are for the ease of uh um ease of transition from the county into the city for those centers that serve uh commercial and employment needs with uh supporting
housing. Okay, this is the future land use map as it exists in 2025. This slide highlights the uh proposed changes to the map and this slide shows the newly proposed
map with all the changes. Here you'll notice that there were only um six changes since our last workshop in August. Um we made these changes based on council direction received and to fix mapping errors that were
discussed during the workshop. Um I can go through each one if you want or um I can >> Yeah, just briefly. Can you just go through the list? >> Sure. Yes. So number one um we corrected a mapping error from employment to medium density residential and
institutional and that was directed at the workshop or I think right after the workshop. Uh number two, we corrected a mapping error from high density residential to medium density residential. The parcel
is currently under review and under um council action, so we we uh didn't want to change it. And number three is uh we corrected mapping errors. There were three sliver parcels that um needed to
be updated following the the ownership because they were all under the same ownership of the larger parcel that they were adjacent to. So we just um made that map correction. Number four, we changed the designation from low density residential to
employment as requested by the owners prior to that August workshop. Number five, we removed the neighborhood commercial designation and reverted the parcel back to the current land use of lowdensity residential and that was
directed at the August workshop. And then um number six at Puffin and 13th Street, we reverted the employment land use designation back to commercial because that one was also um under a current application.
Okay. So now we'll talk more about the uh neighborhood commercial. So along Florida Avenue, we are proposing to allow accessory commercial units and professional offices only. And we want
to ensure that the uses are thought are integrated thoughtfully um and in a compatible way. Um so the development approvals for Florida Avenue corridor will require to will be required to go through the conditional
use permit process which is a council action. So, they will have to bring an application to change their existing um use before city council to take into account any parking requirements, any buffering
requirements from their neighbors, any um other impacts that they may have on on their neighbors. This process, this conditional use permit process allows citizens to um provide feedback at a
public meeting before council before any approvals are are granted for Lakeshore Boulevard corridor. Um we have limited that between Massachusetts Avenue and Michigan Avenue. And those uh
parcels in between Mass and Michigan will be allowed to have bed and breakfast, cafes, and restaurants only. Okay, here's the table from our um our element that basically summarizes
the intensity and density for each land use category. Within this update, there are five overarching goals, and I'll go through each one briefly. Goal number one is to uh promote
sustainable land use planning, um establishing comprehensive plan use, sorry, comprehensive land use planning network, establishing uh future land use designations, but most importantly to protect natural resources. One thing
that I want to um make sure is understood in this update, we have included for um any lakes within the city limits, we have created a lake protection area buffer which will um
require a minimum of 250 ft average of 500 feet buffer along any lake in a in um the city of St. Cloud. Is that something that we changed recently up? >> No, it's been there the whole time. >> Has it? Okay.
>> It was requested about a year ago, I think. So, as soon as it was requested, we put it in there. Okay. And goal two consists of objectives and policies to ili utilize the planning framework established in goal one to achieve the city's high
planning aspirations. Goal three promotes a high quality built environment which promotes community connection allows for successful businesses and maintains a high quality of life for residents. Goal four establishes how the city will
coordinate with Ocola County to plan for growth within the joint planning area. Goal five includes a list of um 26 specific actions for the city to take to implement the goals, objectives, and policies of this updated element. Many
of uh these involve future um future updates to the land development code. Uh the update this update is critical to the success of this future land use element. Okay. So staff recommends approval. On
August 19th, 2025, planning commission motion to recommend approval. There was a split vote which results in no recommendation. Um staff is requesting approval of ordinance number 2024-50 for the adoption of the future land use
element of the comprehensive plan. This is a city initiated uh statutoily required update. So um staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you, Melissa. >> And would anyone in the audience like to
speak on this item? Uh first up we have Laura Harris. Sorry, we got a few items on few people signed up. >> It's a larger council chamber, isn't it? Longer walk up.
>> Good evening, Laura Harris, 613 Ohio Avenue here in St. Cloud. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council members. I want to talk about the commercialization of Florida Avenue. I've lived here for over 20 years. When
I first got here, downtown was very vibrant. It was a great place to go. And it's very disappointing now to go down to New York and see empty storefronts and businesses that have left. It it I I
it's so disheartening. And to think that we want to put commercial businesses over on Florida when we we cannot fill New York Avenue is just it's it's beyond me.
I absolutely love the Florida Trail. I walk it as much as I can. It's like walking on a park. It's beautiful. And to think we may put businesses there with asphalt parking lots and more cars
and it's it's just such a disappointment to me. I want to just keep it and love it the way it is. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Uh Melissa, I have a question on that, please. regarding Florida Avenue. So,
every one of these units they would need uh parking spots on their on their properties. Correct. >> Correct. Depending on the use and um it could be like a commercial accessory unit or a homebased business that may
not require any additional parking or minimal parking. But we built a mechanism in this update to where any individual business that wants to locate there has to come before council with a
plan to show how they can accommodate the business that they're locating there. >> Okay. And I know these lots are not that large going down there. So are these going to be pull in and back out? I mean, do we allow that? just back out on
onto our roads. >> Typically, when people park in their driveway, there are no rules that I'm aware of. Maybe the police department or public works um may have some feedback on that, but there are no rules that you can't pull into your driveway and then reverse out of it,
>> right? For residential, but if we're doing commercial, aren't those typically you pull in and you got to come out? Well, I think the accessory commercial unit may be something that needs to be clarified because I I I think maybe there's a bit of a confusion that we're
expecting to see the entire house turn into a commercial structure and and then require, you know, one parking space for every 200 square feet, which I don't think is what the intent is here. >> Maybe if we can dive a little deeper on Florida on what what that entails and I know we've all talked about that, but maybe for the citizens to
>> Sure. Yes. So a an accessory commercial unit can be interior to the home or exterior. So, um just for example, if if I have um an accounting business and I
have uh clients come to my home for for the purposes of that business, then um on the exterior of the home, there would not be any appearance of a business. However,
um if that type of use will require additional parking, then the applicant would have to demonstrate to the city that they can accommodate that parking. And if they can't, then they can't have the business
there. Um, and on on the flip side of that, if it's like an accessory commercial uh unit that's on the exterior of the home, um, such as like a, um, garage or something, if I am a
contractor of some sort, and I, um, store my business equipment in this, um, unit in the back, or um, if I were a shoe repair person and I had people to bring me their shoes and they would meet
me at my outdoor garage to exchange that and I can do my work in the garage there. Then um those are the types of businesses that we are expecting there. That does not that does not um mean that
if I were a um accountant that I could not convert the interior of my home to to um an office space. But what that would mean is if they do do that, they have to upgrade the home construction
wise to meet uh all ADA and building department requirements. Maybe need to be sprinkled. Um, and any any code requirements that we have, we would review for, but they would also have to come before council and demonstrate um
to staff and we would make a recommendation to council whether or not they could meet those requirements. And um if they cannot meet those requirements, then I'm sure council would deny it. >> Okay. And there's going to be a
moratorum on any any zoning changes down Florida as well. >> Senate Bill 180 does not allow us to do moratoriums anymore. >> So there will be no moratorium on any >> Well, you never told us, Dan. >> I'm joking. We did talk about that, but
so not none at all to come up with the the standards. >> The law Senate Bill 180 specifically prohibits uh moratoriums of any kind. Okay. So, we need to come up with the standards before any zoning we accept
any zoning applications on this. Correct. >> We have standards in place right now. Um and through the conditional use permitting process, we will ensure that they are meeting all of our standards. And if um
if we need to add more standards, which I'm sure we will, we're as soon as this is adopted, if it is approved by council today, the next step is to roll into updating the land development code and we'll do that immediately.
>> Okay. So, this also applies on on Lake Shore. There were there's not going to be a moratorum. Once this future land use passes, somebody could come in for a zoning change. That is correct. Okay. >> But the council until the new zoning is created, the council is not required to
approve a reszoning. >> Okay. So, we've not created the zoning yet, >> right? >> Under the the future lane use, >> right? >> Perfect. Okay. >> Okay. So, this would allow somebody that say right now couldn't if they had say
they were an accountant and they they they wanted to have one of their customers come to one of their their home I guess to get their items or their paperwork. They're not right now. Nobody's allowed to operate out of their home a business
like that, right? >> Yeah. Well, there's a yes, you are correct because the homebased business requirement that typically in residential has a couple of conditions in it. One of which is you can't see customers on site and client. So, yes, you are correct. >> All right. But this would allow that.
>> This would allow that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry, council. Do you'all have any any questions of Melissa? Just if I may, >> Melissa, you here? >> Sorry,
>> I don't have buttons. >> I know. I I know. And I I was waiting to get done. >> So, sorry. >> Uh one, when we looked into this uh in prior months, uh I think council was aware, you know, changing a property to make it ADA compliant
and I talked to the fire chief about this. just the sprinklers alone and 800 to,200 square feet is going to be a 70 to $100,000 to convert that to a if I was going to go into a retail business I don't know
if I'd sink $100,000 into 800 or,200 square feet to make it ADA compliant and that is also with wheelchair accessibilities and things as such as that. Uh not saying I do it but uh mayor I truly
believe people are already doing small businesses in their houses. Uh I I'm not saying right or wrong, but I think that does exist in today's world, especially co and co and beyond. People are using that third bedroom for an office space
and doing business like that. But I just want to look at the realistic picture of turning one of those houses and to a full-blown uh retail. it's going to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just
just stating that there's nothing if someone has it wants to do it, but it just doesn't seem reasonable to me that somebody's going to go ahead and build a business on Florida Avenue. I yield back to you, mayor. >> All right. Thank you.
Um, I do like the idea of the bed and breakfast um off of Lakeshore, but I'm not a fan of Florida Avenue, you know, turning that in because I just worry about the parking. I mean, there are already residents that stay that there and already complain about parking now.
So, turning something into a neighborhood commercial would just be mean more complaints about parking and stuff. So, that would be my big concern on Florida Avenue. Um there there is the possibility or the um authority of council to approve this
with any conditions that council sees fit. >> Okay. >> All right. We have more citizens that want to speak on this item. Uh Chris Sheets, >> how you doing? Um, we came as a group to
offer our land for employment to help the city and never about this comprehensive plan. So, if uh this plan gets shot down, we'd still like to move forward with making our land commercial industrial to help the city.
>> Uh, what was what's your name and address for the record, please? >> Christopher Sheets, uh, Eastern Avenue. >> What's your address? >> 2330. >> Thank you. And so 2330, you you filled out an application to the city to for a
>> No, we came with Mr. White and we all came up there before and had a couple meetings with you guys. >> I think he's part of the existing proposed change to employment center. I think what he's asking is >> he still wants that to happen. Um
Florida Avenue. >> Oh, you're saying you support your >> Yeah, I support it. And if it doesn't, this plan doesn't go through, we still support, >> okay, >> changing our land use to better the city. >> Yeah, it's it's a big map. There's a lot of changes everywhere. And so yours, you do support
>> your area with the changes. Okay. >> Thank you, sir. >> Kathleen Silva. Hello. Good evening. My name is Kathleen Silva. I live at 700 Florida Avenue. >> Thank you. >> Um my plan tonight was to find a way to
convince you to amend the comprehensive plan. Um it just does not align with St. Cloud Smalltown Values. Going to ask you to please say no, vote no to the reszoning of Florida Avenue and
Lakefront Drive. Um, I'd like to see that we focus more on restoring Soldier City, supporting St. Cloud Veterans Council, enhancing our lakefront and helping our local businesses and what I call the downtown
business district to thrive. There are, you know, a lot of um buildings that are in disrepair that, you know, are used to be for rent. Like, uh Frankie's Restaurant for one, it's it's it's been
empty now for years. Um, you know, we need to find ways to to get those buildings back up and running where we can have more businesses in that little business section and not mix
businesses, you know, with with the homes that are are neighborhoods. um you know in the future uh you know like you said you know bed and breakfast on on Lakeshore you know that might be nice in some of those you know bigger
homes but again that has to be something maybe later on adding all of this together at once is just you know too confusing is just too much um and then uh if I might I'd like to
piggyback um on what Don Gray had referred referred to earlier as the um traffic on Florida Avenue. Um it is atrocious the way people just fly down there um because the road is, you know, one way, the other way, you know, um the
speeding is crazy. You know, we've invested so much money into, you know, this nice walking path and encouraging people to come down and and use the lakefront. it it's only a matter of time before, you know, somebody gets killed
on there. So, I'd like to see if we can find a way to slow down the traffic, whether it's to lower the speed limit or or maybe to, you know, add some speed bumps. again, you know, we we've made it so beautiful and we've asked people to
come there, but but we're really not protecting them when you've got people just, you know, thinking it's, you know, they can go 50, 60 miles an hour, especially at night. I mean, they just it becomes a speedway at 2 o'clock in
the morning. And that's it. Thank you. Thomas Richards. My name is Thomas Richards. I'm a 38-year resident at 1517 Pennsylvania Avenue in St. Cloud. This area is identified as high density residential in a new future land use designation.
I'm here to express my concerns regarding the potential negative impacts of highdensity residential development in the downtown adjacent area of St. Cloud. We saw catastrophic flooding cur by Hurricane Ian in 2022 which serves as a stark reminder of St. Cloud's
vulnerability to extreme weather events. Nearby City of CM experienced devastating flooding. Homes and businesses were inundated due to overwhelmed drainage systems and the region's low-lying geography. St. Clown's own storm drain system is
already inadequate to heavy handle rain he handle heavy rainfall and um exper is experienced in street flooding like the raintorms we had today. Development in this area would exacerbate this this issue,
increasing imperous services, rooftops, and parking lots, which prevent natural water absorption and place additional strain on our outdated storm water infrastructure. Very few streets in this area have a curb infrastructure to even properly route storm water to the drains. Without
significant upgrades to the drainage system, new developments would worsen flood risks for both new and existing residents, ex potentially leading to property damage, economic loss, and threats to public safety. In addition to flooding concerns, the traffic situation in the downtown St. Cloud area is
already strained. Key roads such as 10th Street, 13th Street, and even 17th Street are already experiencing congestion during peak hours. The influx of additional residents from highdensity housing would significantly worsen this problem. More households mean more
vehicles, which would increase traffic delays, compromise road safety, strain parking availability in the downtown area, and the charm of our historic downtown walkability, small town feel, treeline streets, and accessibility could be undermined by gridlock and
overdevelopment deterring visitors and impacting local businesses. Proponents of highdensity development argue that increased population will naturally attract more businesses. If this was true, we'd already see a doubling of businesses in this past decade. While
we've seen some business growth, it's mostly retail and not high-paying tech jobs. I urge the city council to prioritize infrastructure improvements, particularly storm water drainage system, before considering highdensity residential projects in the downtown
area. Many of the roads in this area have been ignored for decades, and I stand as a witness to the neglect. We have a mix of patched asphalt and concrete roads. Many still have holes left over from the recent Toho water takeover. Preserving the quality of life
in St. Cloud res for residents and maintaining the unique character of our downtown should guide all development decisions. And I'm worried that this 70 >> You can continue, sir. >> Okay. They're worried about this 70 block area could be developed and quickly overwhelm the city's ability to
adapt. >> And thank you very much. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Thomas. >> Uh Don Gray. Don Gray, 409 Florida Avenue, St. Cloud. Um, I just want to address not only the traffic that is going on, but since they
did put that walk path in, when it rains, we end up with a river on Florida Avenue. >> I mean, if I had a small boat, I could just go out there and ride it all the way to the lake. Now, with that being said, the one thing that I have not heard uh in all this planning and zoning
are the young people that bought their first home. Someone who has bought a forever home, some older person who has bought a retirement home that thinks that they're going to come here and spend the rest of their their days in a beautiful St. Cloud, Florida. Now,
you're going to try to turn it into a commercial residential. And I think both of, you know, all of us know that someone's going to come in here and they're going to present that they want to put a parking lot in their front yard, what used to be a front yard, put a parking lot in their backyard. And if
I did hear correctly, it's okay at that point if I have a commercial business and I want to park my trucks in the back of my house because now I'm a construction business. What this is going to do is it's going to rob St. cloud of that small town which most
people if they look at it that's really what they're looking for. They're not looking for Orlando. And I really hope you guys would stop trying to make us into Orlando and let us be St. Cloud Florida. Thank you.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you, Don. >> Jose Martinez, >> I assume this was the one you wanted to speak on. Yes, >> Jose Martinez 119 Shore Boulevard. First of all, I mean, I love this future land news. I think we got one. The reason why
we're here with all these issues in St. Cloud because we lack of a responsible future land use, right? But now I have to say this, we need to bring businesses, small business here to St. Cloud. So, I know this we can all be afraid with small town leaving. I've
been here over 20 plus year doing business and I see the city growth. If I can see that I see a lot more houses coming in, we need to give a chance to small businesses to come to downtown and actually do business. Of course, they're going to be hiccups. We definitely need
to plan for it. But putting too many roadblock at the beginning of it, when are we going to get small businesses? We get keep getting more houses and keep complaining about getting thousands of houses for not allowing businesses to come here. Small business. We're not talking about nationwide companies.
Lakeshore. I understand the issue with Florida Avenue completely. I think we definitely have to look at it and hopefully little by little we can go grow this, but we need to look at in St. Cloud that can attract more small businesses. I'm expanding. I'm here. I'm
investing my saving my life and my whole family into growing in St. Cloud. That idea in Lakes Shore. Absolutely. I'm there. We want to build a better Lakeshore. how quality coffee shop, quality small uh bed and breakfast, but we need to
allow businesses to come in responsible people within the city organic growth, right? Just like me being here over 20 plus a year, there's more people and putting moratorium on top of moratorum. Let the business drive at least give
them a shot. let small businesses come in with whether it's $10,000 or $500,000 in my case to buy something to build something where we can bring quality uh people to give their job but because we
don't want only people to come here and leave. We want them to also entertain themselves. We have a beautiful lake shore. Can we optimize that where we can allow more small businesses to come in and invest and allow people not just to move in here as a bad place to live but
also to enjoy themsel and put more place uh more businesses. I also heard other people within the next 30 seconds say hey in New York Avenue people is moving out therefore we should not expand more businesses. I think the more small businesses we bringing to St. cloud the
more people will come and visit our beautiful city. So I ended up with this. I think we got a beautiful plan at least for the lake shore invested in I want more people to come and invest. I love Winter Garden definitely hates Orlando but the small beautiful small cities
that have done it right and I think that's a great start and we should not do no moratorum. We should let small business come and drive in our city. Thank you. >> Yes sir. Thank you. Yeah, I think our city attorney said that we we're by law
we can't do the moratorum. So, I think you're good to go on that. Thanks, air conditioning. All right, Betty Damkkey. Betty Damkkey, come on down. Okay. Oh, good evening, Betty Damky, 4776
Hidden Heights Trail. Can I just one thing quick? When you're speaking among yourselves, please speak into the microphone. If you turn your head this way, we we can't hear you. >> I'm sorry. I can't hear you, buddy.
not only here but in the regular chambers. >> Especially you, Ken. >> Well, thank you, Betty. >> I appreciate that. I'll be working on that. I'm going to go home and work on that. Okay. I'll come back next next week, too. There's a little bit of noise
difference here, but I I promise you I'll work on it. Thank you very much. I I know I'm getting old and harder hearing, but >> what? Um, no comment. Uh, I'm addressing of course this future
land use map, but also a couple other items all in one packet that's going to be coming up further on the agenda. During the planning commission meeting, extensive discussion was given to the fact that
this area of Long Lake along Lake Shore Rumbl Road will be changed to a um medium density zoning which allows 18 units per acre.
Think about it. 18 units per acre. That's not what is up there now. It's what could be. This will open the gates for future medium density changes all the way to Chisum Park and other connecting areas
to Lake Shore and Florida Avenue. Think of this. A developer could come in and buy three, four, five houses or more. bulldozing and the next thing you're going to know you're gonna have an apartment, a condominium,
a resort. The lake shore will not remain the same. Now, you can sit there and you can tell us it will never happen. But what are we doing right now? And what do you do every time you sit at that podium? You change the future land.
you change the zoning destination from agricultural to this or that to that. It's done every day. Every time you sit up there. So you you're not always going to be there. We can have some really
rogue commissioners uh council members come in here. You're opening Pandora's box if you approve this as is. And I sincerely hope you'll reconsider because we need our lakes shore is beautiful.
It's our godgiven nature up there and the future expansion that is positive of going on up to Chisum Park. It should remain as is not with commercial. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Yeah, we we have
modified the the plan to uh we we took away the the medium density residential everything from Massachusetts I'm sorry from Michigan east to Massachusetts West. So that is no longer on there. John White. Thank you, council. My name is John
White, 2220 Eastern Avenue. Um, I've lived on this property for 50 years. My family's lived on it for the last since the 40s. And one of the things that, you know, if I do ever sell
it, I don't have to sell it. So, whatever land use, future land use you put on it, I don't have to sell it for anything I do. I can live there the rest of my life. But if I do sell it, I want to improve the city of St. Cloud in a
way to help the city improve for future aspects and all that. And I think that's where some of us are getting um not understanding what this future land use is. We don't have to sell our land. We
don't have to sell our house. If we want to, then the opportunity is there to possibly make as much money as you can off of your property that you're selling. But as as of right now, all
y'all are doing is saying, "Hey, this is what the future 20 45 2050. This is what we're looking at. This is what we're the future of St. Cloud needs to go."
I agree with you. I'm 100% positive behind it. And you know, I think the city residents are not quite understanding that they're thinking, "Oh, people's just going to come start putting in commercial businesses on Lake
Shore, on Florida Avenue. You have to be willing to sell your land or sell your house." You don't have to. It's up to you. And if there's a property comes up for sale, you don't want it to go into a commercial, find somebody to buy it next
door. It's an opportunity to in improve our city. I just came into the city within the last month. So, this is a new avenue for us. I've always been in the
county on agricultural land and now we're in the city. So, it's a new thing for all of us, but like I said, I've lived there since the 40s, and it's a great opportunity for us if
the city wants to change my future land use to employment or commercial or whatever. It's a great opportunity if I ever decide to sell. I don't have to and I'm not planning on it anytime soon cuz
I love this town. So, thank you for your time and thank you for your effort. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, John. >> Yeah. And what JJ says is correct that that you don't have to change the zoning of your house. You can keep it the same. This is it's the future land use on it.
It's not it doesn't require you to change the zoning. Um, but first, before I make more comments, anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? Uh, Richard McConn's lawyer's office. >> Yes, sir. You can just walk right on up.
Yep. Name and address for the record again, please. >> Richard McConna, 5120 Helen Court, St. Cloud. There's a lawyer's office and a financial planner office on Florida Avenue. Now, they have four employees. You know how many parking spots they have?
Four. So, guess what? And that's going to happen all the way down Florida Avenue. You're going to have cars, cars, cars because they've got four employees. And where else does anybody park? Just think about that.
Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, and that that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around as well is the type of businesses that um that will be allowed in there. And I the fact is we haven't created the zoning for that to to allow those types. That that
correct, city manager? >> Correct. Oh, I'm sorry, >> Melissa. Oh, sorry. Did you want to speak, Jackie? >> I didn't see you raise your hand back there earlier. >> I'm not going to, but I can't help
myself. >> Good evening, council. Jackie Fioni, 4872, Chism Park Trail. I was going to keep my mouth shut and just listen to what everybody was saying. But there is something I want to bring to y'all's attention. I grew up in
Orlando. I came to St. cloud 37 years ago to get away from Orlando. But I grew up in a very nice area, Conway Estates, Lake Conway. We lived on
the lake. We jet skied. We sewed. We grew up in a very nice life on the lake there. All the houses over in Lake Conway, if anybody's been back there, were little block homes that all of our friends and family grew up on. Average
homes just like in St. Cloud on the state streets. Go back there now. They didn't let their neighborhood go commercial. Those homes got bought by new homeowners that took those block
three-bedroom, twobath homes and turned them into these beautiful millionoll estates. That's what Lake Conway is now. All the side streets, not just the people on the lakefront, the people on all the side
streets are big, beautiful million-doll homes. That's the economic growth we need in St. cloud. We need those high dollar homes to come into our city limits. Not just one development on 10th Street that's
coming in. Those homes that are down there now, what is they say in real estate? The number one property is lakefront, lake view, and oceanfront. We have that. Let it stay like it is.
and the future people that buy there will turn those three-bedroom, two bath block homes into beautiful million-doll estates. And then you're creating a whole other different area in St. Cloud versus allowing businesses to come in
and who knows what's going to happen. You're going to open up a whole can of worms with that because the parking is just the first issue you're going to have. I would like to see St. Cloud end up looking like Lake Conway or Windemir,
another area I grew up in. Beautiful lakefront homes, all multi-million dollar homes. That's what we can have at our lakefront. We don't need little bed and breakfastes. You want to open a bed and breakfast, you can do it in town. We need more businesses in town. We're
losing businesses here in the city on a regular basis. I know of five businesses, personal friends of mine, that have closed their doors in the city limits. So, we need to concentrate on that. Let's leave our residential for those
homes to turn in from what they are now into million-doll estates. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um, one thing I wanted to touch on that bed and breakfast are already allowed in along Lake Lakeshore that it's part of the in the residential
code right now. >> Yes, we have a bed and breakfast district and and mayor, can I ask Melissa to put the map up of the changes because there's not much of Lakefront that's currently um proposed for any
change this evening. I I thought it it might help with some of the conversation. And I think there is definitely this has been a multi-year process. So um you know I I I just would like the opportunity for everyone in the audience to be able to see what actually
is changing. >> Mayor, could I turn my light on? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Um yeah, so thank you everybody for for for speaking on this tonight. I I understand um where everyone is coming from. Uh there were a few points that really stood out to me and uh one of the
things that I've been very adamant about since I've gotten into this position is that we need more jobs in our city. We need more high wage jobs in our city. And one of the statistics that really stood out to me that Melissa said was there is one job for every two houses in
St. Cloud. That's unacceptable to me, right? That is not a sustainable city to have one job per two houses. So, what this plan does and and and we can talk about Florida Avenue and Lake Shore, um,
to be honest, that's negotiable, but we don't need to throw the the the baby out with the bathwater here and and and throw out all the employment centers and and and areas that will bring jobs and in particular high wage jobs to our city so that people aren't lining up on the
turnpike and taking two hours just to get on the turnpike to go to Orlando to work. So that that I think is what this is going to help us do. The other thing that really stood out to me too is we're talking about as Deputy Mayor Gilbert said $100,000 just to just to transform
a a property to make it into a business. That's a staggering number to me. Uh one of the gentlemen here, I think Mr. Martinez mentioned we need to quit making it so difficult for people to do business. Uh, I understand some of these regulations, fire sprinklers, these are
state codes, man. Government needs to get out of the way and allow business to thrive in every community, not just St. Cloud. That's my opinion. Um, and we just we need to be encouraging jobs and businesses in our city. And and that's why I think uh this map is so important.
But I'll I'll yield back to you. Thank you, [Music] >> Deputy Mayor. >> Yeah, just a few questions, Melissa. Um, on Florida Avenue at the present time, and you don't have to give me exact
numbers, but uh, from Lakeshore to 13th Street, uh, there are currently active businesses on Florida Avenue. Are there not? >> Correct. There there are >> Okay. Uh, I Lakeshore I counted 19 dwellings that
would be uh, open for small business. Uh just from the from the map I know right now and and I've went online. I'm sorry Betty. Is that better? So I'm sorry I forgot again. Uh I went online and in
the CMI St. Cloud area there's over a thousand bed and breakfastes available. There are bed and breakfast in St. Cloud right now but they're not business taxed. Okay. If we want jobs and we talked to to Councilman Urban, well, we get this
passed, then we're going to go out and business tax the people that are running bed and breakfast, the people that are doing these kind of things because it is happening. It's happening today in the city. But without a stronghold on it, I think uh it'll continue to happen with or without our blessing. Just my comment
on that. Um, I'm from resident, not here, but I've been here for 36 years. But where I resided, every corner was a corner grocery store. Everybody had a a car
tire change in every corner. So, there was multiple businesses within the community that worked. I don't see anybody buying six or seven houses in Florida Avenue, tearing them down to put a um a Walmart Walmart grocery store. I
just don't see it. But I do see uh business tax receipts. If we allow businesses to come down, there will be revenue. As the lady said, we definitely want to continue to dress up Lakeshore. We definitely want to continue to dress up all these places.
The biggest thing that takes is money. And with businesses, you have tax receipts and that gives you money to expand. That's just my thought on that, but I'm open to anything the council would would like to discuss right now. But small businesses are 70% of the
heartbeat of America. I yield back to you, mayor. >> All right. Thank you. Well, I I do know we have a number of um stakeholders or property owners on Lake Shore here that that have a desire for uh restaurant cafes, that type down
there. I know the city of St. Cloud owns a few properties here. Um Florida's a tough one. Florida Avenue is um without knowing what the standards are that
it proves a little difficult of as to what it's actually going to look like and and I like to really discuss with council because we're going to be the ones voting on the the actual zoning and and the allowable uses. So, what do y'all envision along Florida?
Are we talking about accounting offices? Are we talking about um realtors or what are we what are we looking at here? >> Without I mean without knowing what is actually going to be there um I'm just concerned about the parking on Florida
is my concern. >> All right. I because also we're going to we're going to be talking about how many parking spaces per It'd be based on square footage. I' I'd assume. Correct. Yes. So, parking right now is based on square footage and um we just want to
remind council that every business that may propose to come there will have to come before council what they plan that demonstrates that they have adequate parking. And if they can't demonstrate that they have adequate parking, then council has the authority to deny that
conditional use permit and then they will not be able to locate their business there. And the idea is to have that incremental change over time. it. We don't expect um and we've never I've never seen it
happen in in my career to where when you change a land use all of a sudden a hundred people decide to open a business there. It's an incremental change over the next 20 years on a case-byase basis. >> Okay. Thank you. Anyone
else in the audience like to speak on this item? >> Uh, yes sir. Gordon Brown. Oh, yes ma'am. Did you need to speak? >> Just two questions. >> Yep. Just please come to the podium. Uh, name and address for the record, please. >> Barbara Richards, 1517 Pennsylvania
Avenue, St. Cloud. Is there any way if we decide not to sell our house and they're developing like on Pennsylvania high density, is there intimate domain where we're going to be forced to do that? >> No, ma'am. That's there is no imminent
domain whatsoever with this that is this is just change in the future land use to allow in the future if you want to come forward and request a zoning change. You don't have to. Also, um, do we have to tell prospective buyers if we decide to
sell our house about what you all are going to be doing in the future? >> We're not going to be doing anything else in the future. So, it's if you want to do something in the future or you could tell the prospective buyers, hey, you have the ability with the future land use to go in for a zoning change to
allow them to uh increase the density on their property, >> but we don't have to mention it. >> Well, they can do their own research. be careful about that. >> Yeah. I mean, >> sells a home or any sort of property, it's up to the buyer. Yeah. >> To do the due diligence and to figure
out what the future use land use or future zoning are for all properties. So, u and the seller does have somewhat of an obligation to disclose that if as part of it, but >> and also like on Florida, if you're on that avenue, if someone puts a little
business there and they put concrete down or asphalt, the people next door when it rains, they're going to get all the extra water that would have went into the ground if they had grass instead of a concrete parking a lot.
>> So, >> all right. Thank you, ma'am. Yes, sir. Gordon, >> uh Gordon Brown, you need a microphone here. >> Yeah. Can we get your name and address for the record for this item, please? >> Well, if you can pick up on the mic.
>> Yeah. >> Want me to? >> Yeah. >> Yes, sir. No, it's not >> name and address, sir. >> It's uh Gordon Brown, 337 New York Avenue. I'm don't You know what attracted to me to St. Cloud was Florida
Avenue and New York Avenue. That's the best thing you guys got. I mean, there a there aren't many cities left that have that kind of thing. That that's your that's what makes St. Cloud so
I'm I'm dumbfounded. I cannot believe. I think if you could consider I'm gonna not talk as fast. Maybe just eliminating that vertical strip. I understand by lake shore how that's just too tempting to people from uh doing something. But
please God leave. I'm dumbfounded. It's the best thing about St. Cloud. You know, Christ almighty. You know what's happening in Florida everywhere is this crap buildings being put up and you're jumping on the bandwagon.
All right, that's it. Thank you, sir. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? city manager, how soon would we be moving forward on talking about what types of uses or zonings
because that would allow public discussion again, right? we're going to be. >> So, I would ask I would ask Miss Duncan to come up and discuss the the process that she's envisioning. Um,
>> good evening, Melissa Duncan. Um, so if this is approved, our next couple of items, you'll see we're going to propose two land development code updates. One for the GPA infill centers and then one
for the table of classified lands. In that table, we are proposing to assign the neighborhood business zoning district to the neighborhood commercial land use. So, there are already
standards in place for that with the caveat that conditional uses are required and the uses um are limited to the overlay. We've created an overlay on Florida Avenue and an overlay for that section of Lakeshore
Boulevard that will bind them to the requirements of the land of the future land use element to limit the uses along Florida Avenue to the accessory commercial units and professional offices and limit Lakeshore Boulevard to
that that section between Massachusetts and Michigan to bed and breakfast and cafe restaurants. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think with Florida, it's really I'm trying to find a balance on this.
Um, as Council Member Urban stated, you know, we don't want to hinder commercial growth, um, business growth, but I also, you know, appreciate the the beauty of of our Florida Avenue. And um
obviously if we do this we don't I don't think we should have bicycles going down Florida Avenue. I don't think that's that's appropriate with >> if I if I may. Mayor Melissa, how far does the historic district go up Florida
Avenue? The reason I ask is because I I I think the historic district would also restrict some of the changes that people are are fearful of because they have to stay consistent with what was historically there. So the changes to the buildings um would would have to be
consistent. >> Off the top of my head, just going strictly by memory, I think it's like ninth or eighth street >> from Lake Shore >> No, no, no. from uh 13th to to 9th or
8th. >> I I think my zoning manager in the back is looking it up. >> And are are you currently looking at extending the historic district the whole way up Florida Avenue? Was that the next district that you were looking
at with Main Street? >> With Main Street, they they're proposing to do a new survey and that will be brought before council. um for council direction and decision in the future. >> That was going to be my comment. I think all of Lakes Shore should be in the
historic district, but sounds like we're working on that. >> All of Lakeshore. >> All of Florida Avenue all the way down to Lake Shore. Is that kind of what
how does that work to put that in the historic area as well? because I I am looking down Florida Avenue closer to the lake and I do see some some some older homes from the early 1900s.
>> So, when the inventory is done, um staff would end up having public meetings with the people in in the area. Um and there would then be public hearings with the city council to revise the ordinance to designate those homes as historic.
All right. What's the pleasure of the council? >> I like the idea also of the um maybe turning Florida into historic. >> Okay. Is that >> rather than commercial, a neighborhood commercial?
>> Well, I think it would have that but with the historic overlay. Is that correct, city manager? Yes, they can be both. >> So, we can um put that on as a condition on this or add it as a motion. >> It's already underway right now with
Main Street and city staff. >> So, >> to go all the way to Lakeshore, >> they're doing the study to see what would qualify as the historic um they need to make sure that the the houses that are still there would qualify, the majority of them. Um, so, so that is
just maybe I shouldn't have brought it up, but I was I was trying to show that the character shouldn't change because we are continuing to expand the historic district to the north. It's already in progress. I would say what a year >> typically.
>> And and all um just to make sure all um changes on Lake Shore would have to come back through us for approval. Right. >> I I'm sorry. Florida Avenue. >> Florida Avenue. Yes, correct. Um Florida Avenue, we would have to process
reszonings, which is step one. And then step two, we would have to process a conditional use permit. And that's where we would have the ability to look at the individual site, see what the site limitations are, address any site limitations, and then they would need
approval from council to move forward. And if council doesn't grant that approval, then they will not be able to move forward. So, if this council said, "We don't want to approve your uh zoning change until the uh historic district is updated," we could do that.
>> I don't see why not, unless there's a a legal reason why they couldn't. >> Yeah. Just just because they get the future lane use does not automatically get them the zoning. >> It does not. >> Okay. >> All right. What's the council? Um, >> motion to approve item one of the public
hearings. >> All right, we have a motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Gilbert. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban.
>> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. Motion carries 4 Z. >> Thank you, Melissa. >> Thank you. >> And thank you to the citizens that came up and spoke on this. I know it's uh
there are some changes coming down the way. I don't know that this is going to be a fast change. I think it will be 15 20 years down the road before there's any truly noticeable um changes down there. You know, we may have some pop up here and there, but we're going to have
a lot of time a lot of a lot of every time that a business comes to the table, everybody will have an opportunity to speak up on that. So, that's when we get an opportunity, but the citizens do as well. So, all right. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Will the clerk please read item number two? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-65, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. South Florida amending chapter 3 performance and sitting standards of the land development code by adding a new article article 12
titled JPA infill centers identified as JPA infill centers LDC update project CCA25-00005 providing for a JPA infill center standards and providing preservability scriveners errors conflict administrative corrections codification
publication effective date good evening Melissa Duncan again director of community development this item is to update the land development code to correspond with the proposed updates of the future land use element of the comprehensive plan. Um this update establishes the standards for properties
shown on the future land use map and I identified on the comprehensive plan um as a JPA infill center. There are four different types of centers and we'll go through them individually on the following slides. But before we go
through each individual uh center type uh we will talk about the intent. The intent is to um enable the creation of compact development areas that encourage walkability and transit use and improves interconnectivity for vehicular bicycle
and pedestrian traffic. So, the first center um is primarily intended for small-scale neighborhoods serving retail and office uses um and a supporting mix of residential types including mixeduse buildings. Um the
center can be up to 10 acres and uh must be adjacent to local um streets, avenues or boulevards. The JPA community center is primarily intended for large-scale retail offices, civic uses, and medium to high density
residential. Um those can range from 10 to 70 acres. The area within um or the the more intense area is identified as the core and the area extending one half
mile outside of that area is considered the perimeter. And each of these centers will have u a core and a perimeter moving forward. And so the um urban center is primarily intended for largescale retail and
office and intense residential development a minimum of 70 acres and uh the perimeter generally extends one mile outside of the core of the center. The employment center is primarily
intended to provide intense workplace developments and are also required to be a minimum of 70 acres. The perimeter of the employment center also generally extends a a mile outside of the center
core. Again, the uses are primarily intended for workplace um developments and they do allow for ancillary retail uses for employees, secondary educational facilities and a
mix of residential types for the employees. This amendment adopts developments and sighting standards. It creates build two lines versus setbacks. It requires enhanced civic areas, sets architectural
standards for building orientation, form, massing, articulation, and roof modulation. Staff is recommending approval. Planning Commission at its meeting on August 19th, 2025 also recommended approval. And likewise, we are requesting council
approve ordinance number 2025-65 for the JPA infill cent's land development code update. This is a staff initiated project, so staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. Would anyone in
the audience like to speak on this item? >> All right. Council discussion and can I get a motion? Motion to approve. Mo >> motion to approve. Council member Paul. Second from Council Member Urban. >> Madame Clerk, please call the RO.
>> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number three? >> Final public hearing for ordinance
number 2025-64. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. Amending chapter 3 performance and sitting standards of the land development code by amending article 15 title supplemental regulations by amending section 3.15.12 classifications of annex lands and
compatibility matrix identified as LDC table of classified land updates project CCA25-00004 providing for the severability scriers errors conflict administrative corrections codification publication effective date >> good evening Melissa Dunlin director
community development. This land development code update is to amend the table of classified lands. Uh this table assigns a corresponding zoning district with each future land use designation. Um with the update of the future land use element, it is necessary necessary
to make these changes to ensure that each future land use designation has a compatible zoning designation assigned. This is table 3.15.12A um our St. Cloud Oyola County zoning conversion table. It captures the
existing and newly added future land use designations and shows which county designations are compatible with our St. Cloud zoning designations. So basically when land is annexed from the county into the city there's a corresponding
zoning district assigned. This is a continuation of the table. And this is a continuation of the table again that captures the um urban I'm sorry the JPA infill centers that were
just adopted. And here is table 3.15.12b which captures the existing and newly added future land use designations. And um you'll see that
the centers are included there and that neighborhood commercial land use that was just adopted. you'll see that there's neighborhood business zoning that is uh compatible with that
land use, but the asterk points to the bottom note that says permissible uses must be consistent with the adopted neighborhood commercial overlay. So that's what I was referring to earlier. Okay. Honorable 4, July 9th, 2025, staff
recommended approval. Planning Commission also recommended approval at their meeting at August 19th, 2025. Likewise, we are requesting council to approve ordinance number 2025-64 for the update of the table of
classified lands. Staff is available if you have any questions. This is also a city initiated uh project. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Council discussion
>> and can I entertain a motion? >> Motion approved. >> Second. >> Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Second from Council Member Urban. >> Madam Clerk, please call the role. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson.
>> I. >> Motion carries 4 Z. And will the clerk please read item number four into the record? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-62. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida assigning future lenders designation of approximately plus - 9.04 04 acres
identifies Grace Community Church project CPA2-0000007 generally located north of East Lab Bronson Memorial Highway east of Nova Road south of Lake Li Lizzy Drive and west of Bradley Drive for from Community Center County to Community Center City
providing for amending of the future official future last land use map of the comprehensive plan filing the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. Oh, may I
request that we read the next item for the zoning that goes along with this? >> Yes. Uh, madame clerk, please please read item number five. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-63. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing
for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code city of of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus - 9.0 04 acres identified as Grace Community Church project ZMA25-000011
generally located north of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway east of Nova Road south of Lake Lizzy Drive and west of Bradley Drive from CCP Community Center per perimeter to county CCP community center perimeter city zoning designation providing for amending of the official future land use
map of the comprehensive plan filing on the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability and effect several copies of file and effective date. Thank you. Okay, so these cases before you tonight are for the comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment
for the project known as Grace Community Church. The existing future land use is Community Center County and the proposed future land use is JPA Community Center City. The existing zoning is community
center perimeter in the county and we are proposing a community center perimeter city zoning designation. Um this request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities.
Here's a graph graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the existing community center center land use. Here is a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the existing community center perimeter zoning.
Staff is recommending approval. Planning commission also recommended approval at their meeting on August 19th, 2025. We are requesting that city council approve ordinance number 2025-62 and 2025-63
for the comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendments for the project known as Grace Community Church. The applicant was not um able to make it tonight um but staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone
in the audience like to speak on these two items? And any comments from council? >> Okay. Uh, can I get a motion? >> Motion approved. >> Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second. >> Second from council member Paul. >> Madam clerk, please call the role.
>> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please reemer? Get a motion on item number five also. >> Oh, we got to do two votes. Yes, sir.
And can I can I get a motion on item number five? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Uh, council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Gilbert. I'm sorry, Urban. I pointed at you. I heard him over here. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Paul. I. Council member
Urban. I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. Mayor Robertson >> I. >> Motion carries 4 Z. >> You're stepping on the court. >> All right. Will the clerk please read
item number six? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-59. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. specifically changes zoning designation approximately plus minus 1.95 acres identified as DMI
business park phase 2 project ZMA 25-00005 from R1A single family dwelling to I1 industrial located at 1505 Orange Avenue providing for entering the designation official zoning map of founding the planning commission's recommendations
proof of publications effective date Sorry, I had to confer with my uh deputy over there. Um Melissa Douglin, director of community development. This uh request before you is for the reasonzoning of
the DMI business park. So um the future land use change was approved with uh the future land use map update. So the the existing future land use is now
employment and the uh existing zoning is R1A single family dwelling. They are requesting to change their zoning to I1. This development is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no
adverse impacts on city facilities. Here's a graphic depiction of our future land use map showing the land use for context. And here is the zoning map for context.
Honor before June 16th, 2025, staff recommended approval. Planning Commission also recommended approval at their meeting at August 19th, 2025 and we are requesting that council approve ordinance number 2025-59
for the resoning of DMI business park staff and the applicant I believe is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? Um, yeah. I just concur. >> Oh, yeah. Can I get your name and address for the record?
>> Uh, Danny Martinez, 400 DMI Court, St. Cloud, Florida. >> Thank you. I just concur with whatever she had on that because it's just a business part. More jobs. >> Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. And
would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Any council discussion? Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. >> Madame Clerk, please call the RO.
>> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. Council member Fletcher, Council Member Paul, >> I. >> Mayor Robertson, >> I. >> Motion carries 40 Z. >> Will the clerk please read item number seven, >> final public hearing for ordinance
number 2025-66, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing providing for the zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. CL Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 304.94 acres identified as elite estates
project ZMA- 0000001 from MDX mixeduse county to mix mixeduse city generally located at the northeast intersection of clay road and wagon court providing for entering the designations official zoning map of the filing pling the planning commission's recommendation
proof of publication effective date >> good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development This case before you tonight is for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Elite Estates. Um this one was also updated with our
future land use element update. So the um slides are are haven't caught up to the change that just happened but the uh existing future land use is now mixed use and the existing zoning is mixeduse
county. They are requesting a mixeduse city designation. This request is um compatible with the surrounding areas and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities. Um here's a graphic representation of the um map. It doesn't
show the assigned zoning district for those parcels. That was a map error, but it's mixed use in the county or it was mixed use when it was in the county and they are requesting mixed use in the
city. Staff recommended approval um on or before August 25th, 2025. Planning Commission also recommended approval at their meeting on September 16th, 2025. We are requesting that council approve ordinance number 2025-66
for the zoning map amendment for elite estates and staff is available if you have any questions. I believe the applicant is also here if you have any questions. >> All right. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? I think the applicant left.
>> Jose the applicant. >> Yes. >> Sean, are you going is this yours? Did you fall asleep back there? >> No, sir. I'm Sean Hendle, Hansel Walter Associates, 8 Broadway CMI, Florida. I'm
not the applicant. Um the the Colmer who's the builder for the development, submitted the application, but we are the engineer for the development. So, if you have any questions, I'm familiar with it. I can answer those. >> Yes, sir.
>> All right. All right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and council discussion? Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second.
>> Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. Thank you, Sean.
And will the clerk please read item number eight? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-49. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, adopting transportation element of the comprehensive plan project CPA25-00006 providing for filing the planning commission's recommendations and proof
of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This request is to adopt the um update to the transportation element.
The transportation element is the city's planning document for transportation infrastructure. This update is an effort to capture the recommendations made in the transportation and mobility master plan and the vision zero action plan that was approved last year.
Uh this update includes uh inventory and data and analysis in the following areas. Roadway infrastructure and classification, safety, multimodal transportation, transportation systems analysis and future planning.
Okay, this is our um framework streets map. Um there are several maps in the map series, but we're going to go through a few examples. This one being the framework streets. Um this all framework streets uh will be designed as complete
transportation corridors including bicycle and pedestrian and transit features to achieve a true multimodal system. Um, one thing of note, um, as requested by council at the transmitt hearing on
June 12th, this map was updated to remove the extension of Michigan Avenue through the C golf course parcel and extended Orange Avenue South instead. This map demonstrates the um, maintenance responsibilities. It
identifies which roadways are um the responsibility of the city, which ones are the responsibility of the county or the state for maintenance. Uh this map shows you the traffic crash density and severity. Um this is an
example of a new map that was added to the series of maps um reflecting the data from the vision zero action plan. The um update proposes two overarching goals. Um the underlying words are
updated or added uh to the current goals and we will talk about those goals a little bit in detail. So the city um of St. Cloud is committed to creating a safe, efficient and accessible multimodal transportation system for all
users. uh the policies and objectives will help guide updates to our land development code in order to accomplish them. So the complete streets uh principles and level of service standards are based on the latest FDOT guidelines and to
ensure our roads accommodate vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians and transit. Our framework streets will serve as the backbone of the network designed with contextsensitive features and guided by updated design codes. Um we recognize
that certain corridors such as 192 may remain constrained. So we prioritize multimodal enhancements where widening isn't possible. Um, safety is at the top of our uh is safety is the top priority and we're working to eliminate serious
injuries and fatalities by improving high-risk areas, monitoring crash data annually and adopting safer speed designs. Goal two. Um this this plan is guided by our uh transportation and mobility
master plan which we must update every 5 to seven years to reflect evolving priorities. U mobility fees serve as our primary funding source for future improvements and we review those fees every four years to stay up to date with
the needs of the community and construction costs. Uh this element supports exploring alternative fi financing options including public private partnerships, developer contributions and state and federal grants. We're also working closely with
OciOla County and other partners to coordinate projects to ensure that developments within the joint planning area are adequately funded and aligned with our transportation goals. Staff recommends approval. Planning Commission also recommended approval at
their meeting on May 20th, 2025. Likewise, it is requested that council approve the adoption of ordinance number 2025-49 for the update to the transportation element and staff is available if you
have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? >> Yes, sir. Yes, my name is John White, 2220 Eastern Avenue. One of the things you on this
transportation element you might want to think about is like she talked about Orange Avenue going all the way to Noly Road. Um, another road that doesn't quite go that way is Eastern Avenue, which I live on. But when you start
looking from 192 to Nulti Road, look at every road that goes through there. There's a school on every road, school zone on every road. So, those are things you might want to think about when you're adding these roads and future
land aspects of what roads can you put down through there that don't have a school on them. And I thank y'all. Yes sir. Thank you John and council discussion. >> Mayor for me. >> Yes sir.
>> Uh this uh also works with the vision 2050 with metrop plan 417 CSX. So it's not just St. Cloud's but working in in unison with those other entities. Is that correct?
Okay. So that's that's what we're kind of looking at is St. Cloud is one piece of the puzzle. Ocio county is metrop plan is CSX turnpike 417. There's probably six seven and entities and vision zero 2050 is not to have any
fatalities or any major uh accidents uh in 2050 and we see it going down in the metrop plan area. We do see this with this vision uh to do it. Safety is first with with the plans and I know that the city adapt adopted that. So I yield back
to you mayor just explaining that that the bigger picture is we are working with the other entities that uh provide larger roads to us federal, state and and county government. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Any other council
discussion? And can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please please read item number 12 into the record? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-68. An ordinance of the city council of the city St. Florida as
authorized by section 177.14442 Florida statutes renaming the seminal land investment company plat of colored quarter to the seminal land investment company plat of east quarter providing for servability conflict and effective date. >> Good evening Melissa Duncan, director of
community development. This request before you tonight is to rename the plat of the colored quarters. Section 177.142 of state statutes allows a local governing body to change the name
appearing on any recorded plat by ordinance if it is determined that the name includes an ethnic or racial slur. On October 8th, 1910, a plat was recorded by the office of the clerk of
the circuit court of Oyola County for the colored plat of Siminal Land and Investment Company in plat book one page 39. Um it was originally bounded by 10th Street to the north, Narusi Road to the
east, um East Earlo Bronson Memorial Highway to the south, and Pine Lane to the west. Currently 34 lots still show plat of the colored quarter in their legal description.
I don't see it on my slide. Um I think I failed to put in there that the um proposed name is to change it from colored quarter to east quarter. >> Yes, it was on the previous slide. >> Oh, did I did I miss it? Okay,
gotcha. There you go. It was there. Sorry, I missed that. Um, the removal of the word colored and replacing it with east. Okay. Staff recommends approval. Likewise, it is requested that council
approve ordinance number 2025-68 and staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this? >> Yes, ma'am. Terresa Melhot 2924 Kbury Circle St.
Cloud Florida. I want you all to approve this. I believe it is long overdue that we get rid of these slurs that are in our I mean that's terrible and we're in 2025
now and it this should be approved. We should change that to the east quarters. I just wanted to say that I sat here all night for this one just because I wanted to say I really do wish you all would approve this. long time overdue.
>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this >> and council discussion? >> So, yes, I will speak on this. um as a dedicated leader here in the community,
I brought this forward because people came to me about it. And so when residents come to me with concerns as a great leader, I'm going to bring them back to the city to do the right thing. I know this might have happened way before my time, but there's articles
from 2007 in the Orlando Sitnel that residents wanted this changed. So to see this happening in 2025, it makes my heart happy and I thank the city for doing the right thing. So that's all I have to say.
>> All right. >> Thank you. >> Motion to approve. >> You have a motion to approve. All right. Second. >> I think we have a second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Correct. >> U but I would like to say yes. I I agree it is time to to change this and um and
really clean up some of the the language around the city here. So, we have a motion from uh Keep uh sorry, Council Member Paul, second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Council member Urban, >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> I.
>> Council member Fletcher. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> All right. All right. Will the clerk please read item number 13? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-71. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud Florida amending the city
code of ordinances chapter 42 traffic and vehicles article 3 parking stopping and standing by amending section 42-61 generally section 42 42-62 parking spaces provided by governmental agencies and are non-governmental agencies for certain disabled persons.
Section 42-64 notice of illegally parked vehicles. Section 42-65 liability of for payment of parking vehicles cit parking citation violations and section 42-66 hearing and contest citations before um city hearing officer and renumbering
section 42-67 presumption regarding illegal parking operating stopping etc providing for conflict severability of minister ad ministry of corrections codification publication the date good evening Melissa Duncan director of community development uh This update before you
tonight is for St. Cloud's parking code under chapter 42. This revision uh ensures our parking regulations are consistent, enforceable, and aligned with current statutes. Um, I'll summarize the key changes because there
um are a lot that happened in this update. But the primary goal of this ordinance is to modernize um and bring our parking regulations up to date with today's traffic conditions and state law. It improves how we enforce parking
violations and clarifies expectations for residents, businesses, and visitors. These changes will promote consistency, fairness, and safer public spaces across the city. Uh enforcement authority is now expanded
beyond police officers to include code um enforcement spe uh code enforcement officers and um any specialists. This allows for a more consistent and timely response to violations citywide. The
ordinance also clarifies the process for issuing citations ensuring due process and efficiency. The existing process requires issued citations to be appealed by the court. Uh, this proposed amendment will allow appeals through the
code enforcement special magistrate and um, I think I already mentioned that it expanded the authority to allow uh, community service and code enforcement officers to is issue citations. Okay. Um,
the new list of prohibited parking areas um, provides clarity for residents and and enforcement staff. We've also added a provision for trailer parking, allowing it um only when loading, unloading, or providing an
active service such as landscaping or repair. Um this section enhances accessibility by reinforcing protections for disabled parking spaces. Um it allows for towing when violations occur, but also makes
allowances for short-term loading or unloading of disabled individuals. and it formalizes when vehicles may be towed such s such as when they create safety hazards or are abandoned. Um the administr administrative process
is now more clear and the code enforcement magistrate will oversee hearings ensuring consistency with due process. Uh let's see. Late fees, cancellation fees, and registration holds uh help
encourage compliance and reduce repeat offenses. The penalties uh will be set and adjusted by resolution, which is later on the agenda. Um giving council uh flexibility to revise them as needed
without another full ordinance change. And um overall this ordinance uh modernizes our parking management and St. Cloud supporting both enforcement efficiency and community fairness.
And with all that said, staff is recommending approval. And we are requesting that council also approve ordinance number 2025-71. And staff is available if you have any questions. >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?
and council discussion. >> May I May I Mayor? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh I met with the citizens in Leticia and Melissa, code enforcement. They've done a wonderful job with this. They've tightened up some of our parking infractions and and being able to penalize for such uh not just warning,
but to follow up with those parking infractions. So, I do believe this is a good uh step in the right direction to give code enforcement, to give police and to give them the ability to give warnings and fines and such for parking.
Uh it also includes trailers that people park and take off and leave the trailer uh by itself with nothing attached to it, which is definitely a code of violation. So, I I truly think the staff did a great job and also a citizen came in and had some input with that also.
So, I thought it was a great team effort, Melissa, by your team. And I I just encourage you if you don't know it to read the the old and the new and knowing that uh this gives us a little more strength behind our uh code enforcement. So, I yield back to you with that, mayor. >> All right. Thank you. Anyone else on
council? >> And can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi.
>> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Hall. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 40. >> All right. Let's do one more, then we'll take a break. You do one more. Okay. Let's do one more. Uh, can you please read item number 14? Madam clerk.
>> Public hearing for resolution number 2025-132R. A resolution of the city council of city St. Cloud, Florida of St. Cloud of Oscar County, Florida. Pursuant to section 196.1978 subsection 3 subsection zero, Florida statutes electing not to exempt property
under section B, Florida statutes commonly known as a live local act property tax exemption providing preservability and effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This request before you tonight is for
the live local act property tax exemption. State statutes section 196 allows uh I'm sorry requires OciOla County property appraisers to exempt certain real
properties from at balorum taxes if such properties meet the criteria of the live local property tax exemption. Beginning with the 2025 tax rule, um we we are allowed and we're given the
authority to opt out of providing that live local property tax exemption to units in multif family projects that are used to house natural persons or families whose annual income is between 80 and 120% of the medium annual
adjusted gross income for the household. within the metropolitan statistical area um with within within the county in which the person or family resides. Sorry, I forgot to hit this slide.
Um so this this statute um grants a 75% property tax exemption for those multif family um housing projects that we were just discuss discussing. And if this is approved uh the opt out of this uh tax
exemption uh will um ex will be effective for the 2026 tax year and we have to renew this annually. So the the way we are able to opt out of the um tax exemption is that
if the Shimberg housing study identifies the Orlando CM Sanford metropolitan statistical area which we are a part of as having a surplus of uh units a available for rent within that 80 to
120% AMI range then we can opt out. What that study showed for um last year is that we had a surplus of 5,274 units within that MSA. So staff is recommending approval and we
are requesting that council approve resolution 2025-132R and staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and council discussion?
Can I get a motion? Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 40.
>> All right. Let's go ahead and take 10-minute break. Come on back. All right, we'll go ahead and move to council action. And will the clerk please read council action number two? >> Resolution number 2025-157R,
a resolution of the city council of the city of St. Authorizing Chapter 42, Traffic and Vehicles Article 3, Parking, Stopping, and Standing Sections 20 42-69, Penalty for Violations, establishing penalties for failure to comply with city parking codes, repealing all resolutions in conflict,
and providing an effective date. >> Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. This case before you tonight is um the resolution that's in conjunction with the um public hearing ordinance 2025-71
that was just approved. Um it establishes the penalties for failure to comply with city parking codes. Uh the fees range from $25 to $50. Staff recommends approval of
of this item. Sorry, my slide disappeared. Staff recommends approval. Likewise, it is requesting that council approve resolution number 2025-157R. And staff is available if you have any questions. >> All right. Would anyone in the audience
like to speak on this item? And >> mayor, if I could, just one clarification. The fees actually range from $25 to $250. the the parking in a disabled permit in a disabled space without a permit is $250 under the proposed resolution.
>> Sorry about that typo. >> All right. Thank you. And anyone in the audience? Council discussion. >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve with the $250
um final from 50 to 250. Is that right? Well, I was just pointing out it's in the it's in the resolution that way. It was just incorrect in the slide. >> So, we're good the way the way the resolution is. Thank you. >> All right. We have a motion from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Madam
Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> And this is Ivy's favorite part. First readings and introduction. Next
items on the agenda are ordinances before the city council for first reading and introduction for the sole purpose for the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for final reading. Uh for final hearing, the council will not take final action on the item tonight. Full presentations and public input on the ordinances will
occur at a final hearing at which the council will consider final action. Will the clerk please read item number one? First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-58 an ordinance of the city council of city of St.Cloud Florida amending the land development code as follows amending growth management services to read
community development department article 1 section 30-2 subsection A remove refundable performance bond section 30-3 add boat ramp hours section 30.4 Ford subsection A amend dawn to dusk to read sunrise to sunset article 2 section
30-16 amending a major special event definition special event removing the event cap of 250 people and removing a minor special event definition amending section 30-18 subsection A subsection 1 to special events and removing the cap
of 250 people section 30-18 subsection A subsection 2 removing minor special events amending section 30-18 subsection to remove daily attendance of 250 persons or greater amending section 30-18 subsection C subsection 1 removing
daily attendance of the event is greater than 250 persons or amending section 30-9 to remove minor special events section 13-9 subsection A limiting the number of special events within a calendar year and setting reservation requirements section 13-9 subsection B
subsection 3 setting requirements for who may act in the organization's behalf section 30-9 subsection B setting payment terms and providing conflict server ability codification in an effective date. >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item
>> and committing a motion on that? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion to approve. Council member uh Paul, second from council member Urban. Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. >> Hi.
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. Council member Fletcher, Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number two? >> First reading, introduction for ordinance ordinance number 2025-70. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a
zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus minus 16.2 2 acres identified as REA's edge pud PMPF formerly known as Lake Lizzy Residential Development Project PUD23-00003
from LDR Lowdensity Residential County to PUD PL unit development city generally located north of Highway 192 and northwest shore of Lake Lizzy east of Pine Grove Road and south of Bass Highway providing providing for entering the designation official zoning map following the planning commission's
recommendations proof of publication servability effective date. All right. Can we get a motion on that? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council uh Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Urban. >> Nay.
>> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion passes 31. >> Will the clerk please read item number three? First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-72 an ordinance of
the city council of the city of St. Claw Florida assigning a future land use designation of approximately plus minus42 acres identified as Caven Corner project CPA 25-00009 generally located north of East 12th Street east of Mississippi Avenue north of 11th Street and west of Eastern
Avenue from MTR medium density residential to COM commercial providing for amending of the official official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect survility copies on file an effective date.
>> And can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I.
>> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number four? First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-73 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a
zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. South Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus -42 acres identified of cabin corners project ZMA25-000013 from R2 single family to two family dwelling from BC Business commercial
generally located north of East 12th Street east of Mississippi Avenue and south of 11th Street west of Eastern Avenue providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations proof for publication servability and effective date >> and can I get a motion?
Motion to approve. >> Motion approve. Approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second for Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. >> Council Council Member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number five? First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-74 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus
minus 6.20 acres identified as Nova Road Community Center project ANX25-000018 generally located north of Lake Lizzie Drive south of Nova Road and west of Juliner Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes.
>> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi.
>> Council member Fletcher. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number six into the record? >> First reading, introduction for ordinance number 2025-75, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. CL Florida assigning a future land use
designation approximately plus - 6.2.20 20 acres identified as Nova Road Community Center project CPA25-0000008 generally located north of Lake Lizzy Drive souththeast of Nova Road and west of Julina Road from CCC Community Center County to CCC Community Center City
providing for amending a f official feature land use map of the comprehensive plan filing the planning commission's recommendations proof of publications applicability and effect servability copies of file and effective date. >> Can I get a motion? Motion approved. Motion approve. Deputy Mayor Gilbert.
>> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. >> Madame clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40.
>> Will the clerk please read item number seven? >> First reading introduction for ordinance number 2025-76. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud, Florida. Specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 6.20 20
acres identified as Nova Road Community Center project ZMA25-000012 from CR Commercial Residential County to RS3 Residential Single Family C County to CCC Community Center Core City generally located north of Lake Lizzy
Drive southeast of Nova Road west of Juliner Road providing for entering the designation of official zoning map following on the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication servability and effective date. >> Can I get a motion? Motion to >> go ahead, sir. >> To approve.
>> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Urban. >> Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I.
>> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number eight? >> First reading, introduction for ordinance number 2025-78, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cla amending division 27 entertainment district section 3.13.3
C C2 outside drinking limits G hours for music and enter entertainment and H games games sporting events and entertainment and repealing section 3.13 plus.3 C section 5 permit required D entertainment district event permit and
E police protection FI protection emergency medical services providing for servability conflict codification effective Eight. >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban.
>> Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Madame Clerk, please read item number nine. >> First reading introduction for ordinance
number 2025-79. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, a amending chapter 3, performance and city standards of the land development code by amending article 2 through 16 identified as employment commercial LDC update project CDA25-00004
providing for several scriers errors conflict admin administrative corrections codification publications and effective date. >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. I think I saw a second from Council Member Paul. >> Is that correct? >> Yes.
>> I saw saw I heard something I thought. >> Madam Clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Council member Urban, >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> hi. >> Council member Fletcher. Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 40. >> Will the clerk please read item number
10 into the record? >> First reading, introduction for ordinance number 2025-80, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing for the zoning map The zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cal Flores specifically changes zoning designation approximately plus minus 327.84
acres identified as Neo City South project ZMA25-000016 from 8 agricultural to EC employment commercial generally located north of Clay Road east of C31 South St. Cloud Canal south of Crossbury Park Parkway
parkway and west of the Florida Turnpike providing a for amending of the official future zoning map found in the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file and effective date. >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve.
>> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Urban. >> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> Hi. Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 40.
>> All right. And city attorney, do you have anything to add? >> I do not. >> On top of everything else we've done tonight, >> I do not have anything. Thank you, sir. >> All right. And city manager, >> I have a really long list. >> Okay. >> I'm just kidding. >> That's what we're here for.
>> Um, just a few things. Uh on December 16th, Senator Arrington has requested to host remote office hours in our first floor lobby with Councilwoman Paul. Um this is the first time we've had a request like this. The last time she made a request, it was actually to use a
facility here. It's it's public access. I just wanted to to bring it up to the city council so that you you were aware uh that that request had had been made. Um additionally, we did a press release. council's aware, but you know, uh, want to make sure in case anyone is still
watching that happens to be a firefighter, the city of St. Cloud did receive the safer grant. So, we are hiring 48 firefighters. 24 of those need to be paramedics. It's a $9.5 million grant. Um, and the city has already started posting the positions. So,
wanted to take the opportunity if anybody is listening right now. um we successfully changed over the the fiscal year uh October 1st. It's a lot of work goes into that from our staff. So, kudos to all the staff that was
involved in every department across the city. Um and finally, just kudos to the planning staff, but specifically Melissa Duncan on the passing of the future land use element. That was five years she's been working on that. She's gone through
multiple consultants, many public meetings. Um, she's had, you know, some staff turnover doing that and she continued pushing ahead to make sure that we got across the finish line. So, kudos, Melissa. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, Council Member Paul. >> All right. Um, first I want to say happy birthday to my mom, Karen Stark Paul. Happy birthday my mom. >> Um secondly I want to um friendly reminder of for October awareness is
breast cancer awareness as well as domestic violence. Um I know we have organizations that um do great things in the community St. Cloud community that um provide these you know resources as well. So um wanted to share that. And
then I have a concern um regarding a um conversation I had back in August with our um city manager um regarding her termination. Um I know it put me in an awkward spot um prior to the meeting um
when she made it aware um of what was you know going to be revealed at the meeting that just hit me in an awkward spot. And so um when it comes to um doing things in the you know as a leader I want to ensure that I'm always doing
things the right way and um doing it at all times. So one thing with me when it comes to my integrity I want to always ensure that I'm doing the right things as long as I'm sitting in this seat here. So um I do did want to address
that and um share that with the council as well. So um and then I do have um I so parents reached out to me um in the for um regarding um
students wanting to participate in a workshop in December. Um, and so I wanted to see if they would have the opportunity to um, participate in the December workshop to present their
project to the entire council if that was okay. Um, just wanted to put that request out there. Um, if possible there is that is there a specific item on that workshop? I'm not what's on that workshop agenda. But >> and on the >> typically how we've done it is the
council as part of the workshops decides whether they want to receive public import or not. The mayor usually has >> the October 23rd >> December. >> I think she said December. Yeah. So >> yeah. >> So but I think your Councilwoman Paul
you want to basically give them some advanced notice. >> Yes. Yes. So they >> um they wanted to present um to the entire council, but they wanted a good opportunity of when they could do that. And um I just recommended a workshop that way we're all here and they can
present it for students um that are looking to present so their project to um the council as a whole. >> Absolutely. Yeah. So, um, if you want to provide their contact information to me, we can
coordinate directly with them or or we can go through you, whichever way you'd like to do it. >> Okay. And then, um, the two more requests. Um, one is with the St. Cloud Main Street regarding the um,
downtown business group. They are hosting the um trick-or- treat this year and it's not their event but they picked it up because of course if they didn't have that then of course the city would have got the black eye of not having
something downtown. So um kudos to Rep. Stark for picking it up and um continuing on with this event. um the request that she put in for um it's you you guys were sent the email on
yesterday and it's the total amount for the items that she requested a small stage um small stage labor fee um and other items comes out to be $3,555. Um I asked if we could um support St.
Cloud Main Street since they are a business partner um and waving this cost for St. Cloud Main Street. >> Go ahead, city manager. >> If council's supportive of it, uh we have funds in the community grants still
the community grant fund. >> All right. >> And then the last one, was there consensus? >> I'm sorry. Say that again. Was was there consensus? >> Yeah, you got it. >> Okay, thank you.
>> And then um the last one is with the St. Cloud Chamber. Um of course at the workshop they stated that they would like to do four events here in St. Cloud and um the first event will be the quarterly lunchon on November 13th. Um
they are requesting to um rent the Magnolia room which is this room here. $380 plus there is a $500 deposit. Um in lie of the deposit they have requested that um we allow them to accept account
accountability for the damages and build them if there's damages occurred. I did see um President Webb out there earlier today, but um I did have a conversation with him regarding this and he was okay with that. Um so I just needed to um
bring the request forward and get consensus if that is okay. So >> where did we have that before that was in the agenda? >> It's in the email. >> It was an email. I knew I read it somewhere. Okay. So, that's something
that we need to approve or deny um based on one of the four that we said we would allow them to have. >> Okay. >> But they'll come forward um every time they ask for a event. Um they will do it where the request comes forward and of
course it's up to the council to um either approve it or deny it. >> Okay. And we did say that we would uh >> we did >> offer four up. So this would be one of the four. >> And so the cost is 7 or 300 and some odd dollars.
>> 380 and a $500 deposit. >> A $500 deposit. Okay. >> Uh council discussion on that. >> If we uh are going to do this, this is also in addition to the the sponsorship
of 50k, right? >> That is correct. >> Okay. And then with deposits to me they're very important because uh if you mess up the club you got to clean up the club so to speak. So I don't know in lie of that we need to sign an agreement. I
think Dan comes into to uh play here which is an agreement any event held by the chamber of commerce they're solely responsible for any damages uh in any of the properties that they do. That would cover the deposits for all the events would it not council? I don't know.
Well, there's a typically there's a user facility use agreement that's put in place, but the deposit is part of that. So, I guess the quite the question that's being asked is the council okay with waving that deposit for damages. The current agreement with the chamber,
the one that was approved tonight, does not have anything that associates any of the waiver of those deposited. >> It's your pleasure, mayor, if I could speak on that. I would just like to cover our costs if if there are any damages. I don't think necessarily that
checks need to swap that they need to put five we need to give back 450. I think that we need to protect our assets of any damages. I don't know how that's written or things such as that but I'd ask the council consider the liability
that goes to the chamber and I know what he's saying but this is in lie in swapping checks back and forth if you damage something you pay for >> right so they just listed as an additional insured with their insurance I mean that >> well their insurance usually will cover if somebody's hurt on the premise it
doesn't necessarily cover damage to the facility which is what the deposit is for it's damage or cleaning or whatever else you've done. >> Well, it's a long relationship we've had with them.
>> I think uh you know, I've kind of gone back and forth on it, but like you said, it's just a swapping of checks. What does it really mean? I mean, I think they'd be good if if there were any damages that they would be good for. >> That's why I'd ask mayor if the if the attorney would put something in writing
because these days it's just beneficial to have have it. Well, we certainly can do that if you want to wait deposit >> because that's kind of what the inl was instead of putting the deposit that they would still be. >> We'd have to I'd have to look at I believe the facility use agreements
already have that language in it that basically says they're going to be respons they're going to identify basically. Yes, sir. >> Again, we do have a great relationship. I'm not saying that. I just look at their assets to cover cost of any kind of damages and that's with any group.
That's just not them and it's any group. >> And that's why I say because of that great 60-year relationship, whatever it's been, I think maybe even longer. Um, >> I don't think they're going to abuse our the facilities. I think they're going to take care of it. >> I I don't either. And everything's good until it isn't. You know, if somebody
runs into a wall, then they fix it. >> They recently had it for the um baseball event as well, so um they just not too long ago rented it. So, >> okay. >> Okay. No, I'm good with that. got consensus.
>> Yeah. Yeah. T Yeah. Typically the council doesn't approve the facility use agreements, but they're going to they there's a consensus they don't have to pay the fees. >> Okay. >> And that's all I have. >> All right. I'll let you finish, but I want to go back to your second thing you
brought up. Can you please clarify what you meant by that? So, um, back in August, of course, um, before our meeting, we had a conversation about, um, the potential of your termination. You asked for support, but I declined
because I didn't want to jump the gun with until I heard what was going to go on. Um, to me, it just didn't sit well with me from August and here we are in October. But, um, I'm always willing to do the right thing. So coming forward to
having this discussion that's doing the right thing for me. So um I just think for me I always want to hear out you know things. I don't ever want to be one-sided on information. So I just want to make sure that I hear all details
when it comes to decision making. So and that's it. >> I'm going to ask you respond to that please. I don't know that there's anything to respond to rather than I met with my supervisor and asked if I had her
support >> after you and I met. >> Yes. You told her her any other council members that >> I said it I said it was going to be brought up my termination and I wanted to know if I had her support.
I'm gonna say that bothers me a lot because that that was a conversation between you and I and council members should not have known what was going to happen or my views on anything. I mean, obviously, if you told them that
I made a mo that I was going to make a motion and then you asked for their support, doesn't that undermine this process that we have? That's polling council members.
>> I disagree that it was polling council members. It was having a conversation with my supervisor to >> Who is your supervisor? the five together. >> Mayor, you want me to always talk to you before every meeting about things that are going to be brought up. It was the
same type of conversation. >> Please clarify about things that are going to get brought up. No, you tell me what's going to get brought up. I don't ask other than what's on the agenda. I met with you as a courtesy because I told you a year and a half ago, maybe
more longer, that I would let you know when it got to that point that I would make a motion to terminate you. And I said those exact words to you. Did you just meet with council member Paul? >> No, I met with all and I didn't share
the points that you said to me before the meeting. >> Well, I don't think that makes a difference. You you talked about business that was going to occur before this council >> and I confirmed with our city attorney beforehand >> that I could do that
>> and you asked for their support. >> I individually met with each person said that I my termination was potentially going to be discussed that evening and I asked if I had their support >> and you think that's appropriate?
>> I confirmed ahead of time with our city attorney. So, you pulled council members. That's I don't know any other way of looking that Dan. How How am I looking at this wrong? >> I don't how can though how can that be discussed
outside of a council meeting what one council member is going to be doing my vote with another council member because I sure as heck can't do that. Mayor, I I believe on in those particular circumstances, the city manager has the ability to talk to each
one of their council members, individual council members to discuss the city manager's individual performance and the individual whether they're doing job responsibilities. Yes, the city coun the city manager reports to the five to five to the body
of five, but she also reports to individual council members and she always has a right to basically determine or ask the question, am I doing the things that you want me to do? Am I am I almost in a dayby-day evaluation of our services? And that's
and that's what I understood was going on there. She was asking individual council members, are you supportive of the job that I am doing? Well, that's a little different. That's one side. But starting it off with telling them that I'm going to be making a motion to do
this and then asking for their support. That's the two-prong there. I mean, that's not just asking, hey, do I have your support as a council, as a as a city manager. She's telling them what I'm going to vote on, which way I'm going, and then say, can I have your
vote the other way? >> I mean, that can happen on anything then, Dan. But I wasn't I wasn't in that conversation. I wasn't >> No, I understand. But she said that that's what happened. >> She >> I didn't say that. I said the mayor is going to vote to terminate me this
evening. I didn't list the mayor. I said that I was coming up this evening for their for a termination and wanted to know if I had the council's support. >> Council member Maul, did did the city manager say the mayor was going to make a motion? She said
that her um well the mayor was going to be bringing up the termination and if she could if I would offer my support I declined because I told her I didn't want to jump without making a decision on hearing the facts. I didn't even know
what you were going to bring up in the conversation at that point and stuff. So I said I declined the offer to support her. So until I heard what was going to be brought up that night. So, >> and and my recollection of it was it
wasn't that you said you declined it. It was that you said the city can always be better. >> Yeah, there were challenges since we've been on here and I think the whole St. Cloud can attest to that. But, um, we've had challenges and also I would not support until I heard what was going to
be mentioned that night. >> So, you didn't tell Thank you, Council Member Paul. I appreciate you speaking up on that. >> I mean, I'm bringing it up because I have people that supported me and believed in me to do the right thing. I
know a lot of citizens have faith in elected officials on doing the right thing and I'm always going to be bound to do the right thing. So, if it not don't make sense, I am going to bring it up. You know, unfortunately at city hall
since now there's not too many people you can really trust. And you know, I don't want to have to come into city hall with my guard, you know, my a guard around my heart because you don't know who to trust. So this is why I'm bringing it up now and I want to ensure
that I do the right thing and that's always long as I'm sitting in this seat. >> Thank you. She said she had the conversation with you guys, too. Huh? No wonder nobody said anything during the meeting.
Everybody just stayed silent. Do you know what that looks like to the public when everybody just sits silent because it's almost like a predetermined vote because everybody knew how I was going to with what I was doing with that motion. Everybody had time to process
that and and work through the you know, they call it a walking quorum. The meeting's been had already, but not in the public eye. That's the problem is that I went through and I out
of the courtesy. I gave the city manager the common courtesy and you betrayed that trust. I gave you I told you I would let you know. And you went around immediately after. You said it was before the meeting. I left your office an hour
before the meeting. So you went around instead of just fighting on your own merits. You went to every council member and told them what I was going to be doing and asked for their support. That is polling council members. Dan, I don't care how you want to spend it. That's
polling council members. There's no other way because it's not just saying, "Hey, am I doing a good job?" That's not it. Because the first step is she went and told them I was making a motion. That's both sides of it. That's saying here's what's going to be on the agenda and here's how I I'm asking for you to
vote on it. That's polling council members. What's the difference? There is no difference. This is crap. That that is the ultimate betrayal between the city manager council
relationship. The ultimate betrayal. How can I trust you on anything? we've had this these issues that just solidifies everything I did two months ago that you were willing to go behind our backs, my back. And of course, they're not going to tell
me that. They may not know that it's inappropriate. I don't know. I appreciate you speaking up, Council Member Paul, because how can I trust any of this process? No wonder the citizens don't trust city hall. It is no wonder because of actions like
that. And you can sit there and justify it all day long. But anything I tell you, you can go and tell them and and get their support on any other issue. What's the difference? You still think that was appropriate?
>> Yes, I do. I totally disagree with you and I stand committed with my the way I I feel that that right there solidifies everything that you cannot be trusted to run this city because the mayor can't
trust you. I sat in your office and told you things and you went around to council members and told them how I was going to vote. Mayor, you said >> I would now like to add it to the agenda
to terminate the city manager. I'm going go ahead and make a motion. Can I get a second to add it to the agenda to talk about terminating the city manager? >> Second. >> We have a second from Council Member Paul.
Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right. Any council discussion? I'm bothered, guys. That's no wonder everybody sat silent. You know, the public saw that. Everybody
sits silent when some a discussion such as that takes place. No wonder our citizens don't trust our council. And I'm not blaming you guys, but that's I I appreciate Council Member Paul letting me know because it seemed
awkward that nobody even wanted to talk about the issues that we were facing. And it may never had had passed, but at least let's have the conversation because we all know we had some some severe issues throughout the year that
discussion should have taken place, but discussion had already taken place without me, without the rest of the council, without the public. That's that's what bothers me is that >> if I may. >> Yes, sir.
I was not present for Miss Paul and Miss Miller's conversation. I was present for my conversation with Miss Miller and she said the mayor is going to bring this up and that was it. There was no conversation between us. There was no you want to help. There was nothing. Not
in my head and put my head down, went back to work. There was no dialogue or dialect between us at all. She had mentioned it to me and I could be wrong. my polling. You didn't make sense, but I didn't put it like that. Yes, sir. That
was not intentionally. I just didn't think of it like that. I nodded my head and went back to work uh preparing for that council meeting. Mayor, >> I roll back to you. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> I I would just like to say as well and and nobody tells me which way to vote on anything. Nobody in city hall. I mean, I
I make my own decisions independently whether the I mean, whether this is brought up, and again, I wasn't there for Deputy Mayor Gilbert or or Councilwoman Paul's uh conversation, but um it was just brought up that this was coming up at the meeting. Um nobody
tells me how how to vote one way or another. So, just for the record, >> thank you. I appreciate that. But I can still see why there was no conversation at all. Because when it happens organically, that's when the public gets to see how we meet and how
we make decisions for their benefit, not for somebody's own benefit of saving their job. If you had you had your own merits when you and I spoke in your office, I disagreed with them, but you had them. You could have brought those right into
council chambers during that meeting because that that was the appropriate time. But now we have council member Paul that is saying that you did ask for her support on top of telling her that you were making that I was going to make that motion.
So whether or not it whether or not it didn't happen to you guys, it still happened. It happened and we have to do something about it. Dan, I respectfully disagree. I do. There's There's no other way.
There's no other way to justify that behavior. >> I'm making a motion to fire the city manager again. >> Well, you you had a motion on the table to put it on the agenda, which is part of the rules, >> and she seconded it, >> and so you need a vote on that motion.
>> Okay. Go ahead and uh take a vote on the uh to add it to the agenda. Yes, sir. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> No. >> Council member Fletcher. Council member Paul. >> I >> council member Urban. >> No.
>> Mayor Robertson. >> Yes. >> Motion 22. >> That's a fail. >> It's fail. All right. All right. We will move on with further business. >> I have a question. How do we get better if we can't discuss these
opportunities where we're not doing good and you know to grow. We have to get through the muddy water to be able to see the clear water again. But these conversations are definitely important to have instead of just turning the cheek to what's happening since it's
been 11 months since I've been in here. And when people would ask what do you think about the council? It's a lot what what I expected, but it's been a lot more, too. And if we can't talk about these issues that we're having, we're going to be still spinning the same
wheels for the next three years. And as good people that's trying to do the right thing, you know, when people ask if I'm running again, you know, I'm always like, let me get through the first term first because it's been a lot since the first 11
months. And not saying that I'm not able to do the job, but we have to be able to. Enough is enough with turning the wheels with head when things are going wrong. We need to address it. Once again, nobody wants to talk about it though. That this right here is what
bothers me. Again, that wasn't even a vote to terminate. That was a vote just to talk about it, to add it to the agenda, to talk about it. Hey, that's if we're not here to represent the citizens, I don't know what the hell we're doing here.
And I don't trust you anymore, city manager. I don't know what else what else you can do to to to earn that back at this point. I don't know what else. You broke that trust. You know what we need, Council Member
Paul? We need integrity in our city hall. I'm always leadership. >> Whether other people don't have it, I'm gonna always have it. So, >> yes, ma'am. Thank you, Council Member Urban. >> I don't have anything. Thank you,
>> Council Member. Uh, Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Well, uh, first thing I'm going to answer to, and since we're up here for discussion, I would like to answer to, uh, the mayor and and Councilwoman Paul. I have have 100% committed to the citizens of St. Cloud, Florida. I put in
every effort I can to the best of my ability. I can't tell you that I'm not human and that things don't always go perfectly, but there's no and I take exception for any council person that says I don't have integrity and I don't have the ability to come here and do my
job. I believe I do my job is to the best of my ability and that's it. I'm not Superman, but I guarantee you I put every effort to every meeting that we have here and this is prior to, during, and after. And that's also meeting with every citizen that's ever called me,
emailed me, or talked to me. So talking about integrity, I hope you don't think I don't have integrity kids. That's what I go on. >> Nobody questioned you. >> Okay. I just wanted to I wanted to You said we wanted to discuss stuff. >> Yeah. But no, >> I'm open to discussion. I just heard
that integrity, integrity, integrity. >> That I didn't say anything. I walked in and all of a sudden happened. They said >> I was stated that's going to be brought up. That was three words and I was in the middle of preparing for my my council meeting. >> Nobody's accused you of doing anything wrong.
>> Okay. Well, I just integrity. >> If if you guys ever doubt my integrity, call a special meeting and we'll talk about integrity because that's all I got. >> That's all I do this for is to take care of the citizens of St. Cloud. I don't do it for the money. I don't do it for the
popularity. I don't do it for the the participation trophy. I do it for the citizens of St. Cloud. and I'll do my best. I promise council this today until the day I'm off of council. Just so you know, we're in discussion. So, I'd like to discuss that with you. I promise you
I'll give it my all. What that is, if it's below your standards, above your standards, or okay with you, I'm okay with that. So, with that being said, I'm open for discussion. If not, I'll go on and talk about the things I'd like to talk about tonight. >> I'll go since it's open for discussion.
Ken, nobody said you did anything wrong. >> Okay. I I just don't like Nobody mentioned integrity to you. >> Okay. Okay. >> I don't know where you're getting that from, but that's all right. I'm just relax over there. I said city manager. >> Okay. I I I'm human, so once I once I
feel someone coming at me, >> but nobody came at you. >> Okay. Good. Good. Well, I was told, you know, this is going to be brought up and I didn't bring it up. I didn't feel >> You got to understand, Ken. >> I'm learning this of something that happened two months ago. But so don't be taking offense to things
that I'm saying over this direction. >> I'm not I'm just telling you integrity is the only thing I've got in life. >> Great. I commend you for that. >> Okay. Thank you. And seven grandchildren and the rest of that. That's another story, another day. Uh domestic violence
as uh uh Miss Paul said and also there is um breast cancer awareness. What I'd like to do is ask the city manager to at least light the fountains in either purple or pink or or a combination thereof so we can recognize those two months for for this if if that pleases
the council. I'd like to do that if we could. We have certain fountains that are available to us that we can change the colors for that for that venue. >> I support that. >> Okay. police department is looking at crossing at at Michigan Avenue and it's uh to one of the streets and it's they
cross during the dark and when we fall back it's going to be even darker. Some of these kids are crossing the road in those street lights on Michigan Avenue. I would ask public works if we can go and do a study during the dark time. They went and looked at it but was during the day so you really can't tell what the street lights need. It's the
crossroad on Michigan Avenue which I'm sure you guys are aware of. Um the the SRO officer brought me there and it's really dark during the before the >> in the morning. >> Yes sir. >> I'm not there at that early.
>> I just went because it was dark as if we could do a study and if I could do that >> that would be the city manager if they could do that. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> The the safer grant was brought up by the city manager. I just want to thank uh Chief Miller and also John Jones and
his group because it was a collaborative effort that put that together. It was the fire department, it was the fire union, it was everybody there. It was us leaders here that what backed it. So that was one of the things I was so proud of as a team effort that we did in St. Cloud 9.5. I think it's the highest
safer grant that we've ever got in the tri county area. So um kudos to everybody that put to work. I I know there's applications flying in right now and I just hope we can fill those within those those needs. So, thank everybody for that. Um not just the leaders, the
people that really did the work uh behind the scenes. The EDAC board hasn't met because of the um uh vacancies in our uh in our offices. If there's any board members, if I can propose this to the to the uh council, if there's any
board members that on that board where they're not meeting, if there's anybody voiding with boards or anybody leaving boards, if we can consider putting them on the board because they put the effort to go on these boards and yet they're not meeting and it's for reasons that we don't have the leadership in that area
right now. Open for discussion on that. >> You're calling out leadership. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Where at >> for? Wait for for EDAC board. >> Okay. I I think uh city manager, do you want to answer that? I think Melissa,
you're going to take over the EDAC stuff. >> So, we don't we don't have um an economic development director. We had discussed with the city council waiting until after the workshop, which is going to be October 23rd, if I remember correctly. Um and hope hoping to
>> at that point put a position out. Um Melissa does have it have the economic development staff person but um we haven't you know she's she she could hold an EDAC meeting but it's not it's not her area. >> Okay. >> I I just look at everybody mayor and
council as volunteering their time to be on boards. And if if they're not going to meet during this time if there's somewhere else they can contribute to the city of St. Cloud to be on the boards. just if there's any board members that you have that you're assigned to that that are fulfilled any
of the board. I don't know if it is or not, mayor, but just a consideration of of such to fill additional boards until this comes back because three meetings nothing's happened. And I whoever I'm calling out I it's
100%. The last thing I had say is that uh soccer fields, we talk about it and this was on the other council prior to Miss Paul and and the mayor. The ranch has
some lot of good land for soccer fields. I They really do. Uh I'll yield back to you, but just that that's a big field and that's something that can be we decided not to do it. Leave it as open space. mayor and Miss Paul prior to
that, but that's still an option if you want to look at that for for future use. I know they came up and said soccer, it's mo it's probably the biggest growing uh sport in the United States, I would say. >> So, we do have the ranch master plan to bring it back to the city council during
a workshop to see if you still want to follow the passive plan or if you did want to switch to a more active plan. I think we were planning it for December if I remember correctly. >> And I don't know how to do that, mayor and city manager, but if I if we can put that back on on on agenda for us to look
at it with fresher eyes, maybe we can have some solutions to that. Maybe it's not the solution. Maybe there's others, but it's the one I thought of. I yield back. Thank you. >> Okay. Um let's see. We got, as y'all heard earlier, we got Soldier City Sunday
coming up November 9th. Uh Veterans Day, of course, November 11th. But that I believe is a Tuesday. Um, is CMI doing their parade? Do we know yet? >> I don't know details. >> Okay. I believe there's one up in Lake Nona, but we're not doing a parade here
this year. Hopefully next year with St. Cloud Veterans Council, we will be doing a parade. So, uh, that is all I wanted to speak about. Um, now we have >> We normally do that. Do we go to their parade once a year and they come to us every other? >> No, we just wrote them a check this year. >> Oh, is that >> And we don't even know if they're doing it.
>> Okay. >> Congratulations. I I did know. Thank you for letting me know that. >> You know, that's um Okay. Information section, report section, report. So, we got the warrant list number 12, fiscal year 25.
Thursday, October 2020 23rd, 2025, we have city council workshop 3 p.m. at the St. Cloud Community Center. Tuesday, November 11th, 2025, we have city offices are closed in observance of Veterans Day. Thursday, November 13, 2025, city council meeting, and it will
be at 6:30 p.m. at the St. Cloud Community Center. And with that, this meeting is adjourned.