meeting. In the interest of time efficiency and ensuring that everyone who wished to address the council is given the opportunity to do so, the following will apply to all comments made by the public. Each speaker shall be allotted three minutes to address the council unless such time is extended by the mayor or by questions from council.
group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments. Every effort will be made to avoid interrupting speakers. For your information, the items listed in section 11 of the agenda are for reading and introduction and the council will not take final action on them tonight. If
you have questions on these items, please see city staff in the back of the chambers. Thank you for participating in your city government. I'd like to call this uh meeting to order for Thursday, May 8th, 2025. And first I'd like to welcome former
mayor and pastor Nathan Blackwell from Cornerstone Church for the invocation. Could we stand together? May we pray. Heavenly Father, what a joy it is to be able to enjoy a country where we have freedom, where we
have prosperity, and so many good things, especially in this beautiful city of St. cloud. Father, I pray you would bless all of the residents who live here, who have businesses here. I pray, God, you would bless our staff as they work hard to serve them and meet the needs of of all of our residents.
And tonight, I pray especially for our city council that you would give them wisdom. I pray you'd give them patience. I pray you'd give them um understanding hearts and spirits as they deal with the concerns uh of our residents here. And
God, I pray for all the city staff that are working. Thank you for the beautiful job that they do. And I pray that you would bless our city manager, our city attorney, and uh our police department, our firefighters. Thank you, Lord, for all that they do to serve us and to keep us safe. Bless this meeting and we'll
thank you for it in Jesus name I pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor Blackwell. And please remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you. Please be seated. [Music] And madame clerk, please call the role.
Mayor Robertson, here. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, here. Council member Paul here. Council member Irvin here. Council member Gilbert here. All right. First, I'd like to ask the city manager if she has any updates. Thank you, mayor. Yes, I have several.
Um, within the presentation section, I have some moving people around and adding some some, so I'm going to just go through the list. I'd like to move the proclamation in recognition of police week to be first followed by the presentation of employee of the
month. Add a presentation by theater in the cloud. Add a presentation of the golden brush award. And that will leave our our city auditors as the last presentation on the consent agenda. I'd
like to ask to move item C, resol resolution 2025-061R, move it to be voted with public hearings 2 through 4. I'd like to pull item M for a separate vote. And I'd like to remove item Q,
resolution 2025-075R, off of the agenda, which is the last one, not the agenda. Q Q. Thank you. And then in the public hearings, I'd like to ask the council to
continue public hearings 14, 15, and 16 to the June 12th city council meeting. That's all. All right. Thank you very much. So, Mr. Mayor, items 14, 15, and 16 will have to be read into the record and then continue. Uh, in order to make a motion
to move it to the June, yes, we have to read them into the record and then continue them. Do we want to do that now? Sure. Call the first. All right. Uh, Madame Clerk, can you go ahead uh, please read item 14 into the record for 14, 15, and 16? Yeah, it's okay to read all three and then take one motion on
all three. Yes, sir. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-24 in ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. cloud approximately two plus - 2.5 acres identified as Anthem at Ralph Miller Road located east of South Marusi Road and north of Ralph Miller Road in south
of Ditson Drive and west of Hackne Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171.044 Florida statutes final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-25 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cl Florida assigning a future land use designation of public
institutional to approximately plus - 2.5 acres identified as Anthem at Ralph Miller Road located east of South Nusi Road and north of Ralph Miller Road and south of Ditson Drive and west of Hackne Road providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations
proof of publication applicability effect copies on file an effective date. Final public hearing for ordinance summer 2025-26 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of plus - 2.5 acres
identified of Anthem Valve Miller Road from LDR lowdensity residential county or open spaces and recreational zoning designation of the with a public institutional future land use designation gener generally located east of South Narusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road south of Ditson Drive and
west of Hackne Road providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication survability and effective date. All right. Thank you. Can we get a motion on those three items, please? Motion to move it to the June 12th 12th
meeting. Motion to continue to the June 12th meeting. We have a motion from Council Member Urban. Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Gilbert. I. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. I. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion
carries. 5-0. Mayor, if I could point out to all the people standing, although a lot of people don't like to sit in the front row, there's there's a lot of seats still in the front row. [Laughter] All right, council. Now, I'd like to go ahead and ask council for a motion to
approve all the proclamations and the presentations that are on this agenda here. Motion to approve. Motion from C uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second from council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. Hi. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Mayor
Robertson. I. Motion carries 5-0. All right. And first up we have the proclamation recognition of National Police Week um by Council Member Fletcher to Chief Gerky. Good evening everybody and welcome. Um I'm going to go ahead and read the
proclamation. Whereas there are more than 800,000 law enforcement officers serving in communities across the United States, including the dedicated members of the St. Cloud Police Department, whereas since the first recorded death in 1786, there are currently more than 24,000 law enforcement officers in the
United States who have made the ultimate sacrifice and and been killed in the line of duty. Whereas the names of these dedicated public servants are engraved on the walls of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial in Washington, DC. Whereas the service and sacrifice of all officers killed in the
line of duty will be honored during the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund's 37th candle light vigil on the evening of May 13, 2025. Whereas the candlelight vigil is part of National Police Week, which will be observed this year May 11th through
17th. Whereas May 15th is designated as peace officers Memorial Day in honor of all fallen officers and their families and US flags should be flown at half staff. Now therefore I Sean Fletcher, deputy mayor along with the city council of the city of St. Cloud do hereby
proclaim the week of May 7 the week of May 11th through 17th 2025 as National Police Week. Thank you. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Thank you. Uh good evening ladies and gentlemen. I cannot thank you enough. It is an honor and privilege to serve you each and
every day. Um but I deserve none of the credit. I will tell you there is our police officers in the back. Uh most of them are unfortunately they're still on the road. They're actually protecting us as we speak here. But love to have you guys come up here so we can take a photo. Um they're the ones who deserve all the
[Applause] credit. As you know, we're a very fast growing city. I promise you we are uh we we pick the very best and the very bright to wear our uniform to actually go out and serve our community every day. We do a lot of community engagement units, a lot of community engagement
events out there every day, but um it's a true honor to serve you. Uh these officers sometimes they say goodbye to their families, they don't know if they're going to be able to come back home. Um and that really weighs heavily on me and I hope it weighs heavily on all of you. So, thank you very much for your support. Always your steadfast support of our police officers. Thank
you. too. Crunch it. I got one more. Thank you so much. [Applause] I love it. [Music] Yeah, we do have an amazing police force and and a great chief and deputy chief
here with us. Uh, next up we have the uh, presentation of employee of the month by Miam Bachelor. Good evening. When we held the historic swearing in ceremony following the November 2024 election, installing
council member Jennifer Paul, the first AfricanAmerican council member in the city's 113-year history, it led to council passing a resolution denouncing the city's past reputation as a sundown town and affirming St. Cloud's acceptance of all people. As I watched
community reaction on social media, I noted that there were people who were very supportive, but there was also people who who just couldn't believe it. There they were like, "We've been here our whole lives. We never heard about this. Therefore, it never happened." Um, I spoke with my team and and we knew
that there was a story here that needed to be told. I turned to Deborah Carson to tell that story. Deborah originally joined the city part-time as a video storyteller for us. She has a unique gift for making people feel comfortable
even on camera, which is quite a task, and she connects with them in the kind of meaningful way that's essential to good storytelling. When a full-time position became available as a media services engineer, Deborah jumped at the opportunity. But we both agreed we still
needed her talent as a video storyteller for special occasions. and this certainly qualified. We freed most of her time up for the month of January, although she still was up in the production booth at the back of the room providing great camera work for city meetings, but we
set her loose to find residents who lived in St. Cloud during that era, during those sundown town years. Um, I know she worked with council member Paul and found people to talk to and honestly the more people she talked to, the more stories she had. She came and talked
both to myself and to Andrew in our department several times because she was just getting so much good stuff and every story led to another story and it kind of became how do you fill 20 pounds of potatoes into a 5B bag. So we would just kind of talk and brainstorm and um
I really just kind of encouraged her to follow her heart and follow her passion and tell the stories that really resounded with her because I said that's going to come through on these videos and I think she did a really great job in doing that. Ultimately, the final product was a video series titled Beyond
Sundown that she and the city can be very proud of. The series highlighted not only some of the people and experiences from that era, but also some of the historic buildings and locations. This series also celebrates the fact that St. Cloud has moved beyond
that and look forward to a bright future with a beautiful tapestry of people who now call St. Cloud home. We release the series one week at a time throughout the month of February as part of our Black History Month celebration. We have submitted the series for several awards
and I'm confident her efforts will be recognized at the state and national level through those awards programs. But for now, here tonight, we are proud to recognize Deborah Carson as employee of the month for her outstanding work on the Beyond Sundown video series.
[Applause] That used to be [Music] Thank you. [Applause] Now, Deborah would win employee of the day every single day in my book because every time I'm up here, she gets me
Airhead candies when I walk down the hallway. She'll run to her office and she knows the flavors I like. So, except for that white one. She never knows what that one is. So, all right. Yes. Thank you, Deborah. Uh, next up, we do have a presentation by Theater in the Cloud.
Nice and strong. Good evening, council. My name is Joshua Stenamp. I'm the artistic director for Theater in the Cloud. We are the very first community theater in the history of St. Cloud, Florida. Up here with me is Jason Jason Wington. He's our marketing director. Mark Williams is our theater director. There are two members
that are not here with us today. That is Alex Daly, which is our community outreach director, and Megan Hook, who is our volunteer coordinator. I believe we have a presentation of slideshows. They knock a clicker on the Is there a clicker on the Oh, where the
thing? Is it this button? I don't see a clicker. Oh, there it's working. There it is. Okay, I found it. So, we hit that. Uh, our mission statement when we first began, we began in 2020 when we founded the theater is our mission is to expand the creative culture within St. Cloud, Florida by establishing an
environment dedicated to live artistic expression for all mediums. We strive to unify, enrich, and inspire our community through the arts. Today, we still believe this. We are dedicated to doing this, and in the future, I know that we're going to accomplish more. We'd like to talk about the list of shows. To
do this, I'd like to bring up our theater director, Mark Williams. Hey guys, as mentioned, my name is Mark Williams. I'm the theater director here at Theater in the Cloud, and we are really dedicated to providing quality theater experiences for our community. Some of the shows we have done such as
No Exit by Jean Paul Sart, um Waiting for GDO by Samuel Beckett, and we're also doing Driving Miss Daisy this summer. These are three Pulitzer Prize winning shows uh that we will be performing and have performed. So, we have uh let's see,
click click. There we go. So, we've done all together 11 theater shows and we've done three magic shows uh taking place in downtown businesses in the St. Cloud area. Uh we also have had over 7,000 volunteer hours. Uh we started at the VFW and they
were really kind to us, but we started growing after that. And so after we um moved out of VFW, we moved into the women's center uh right down the road as we partnered with parks and wreck with the women's club. U we also have performed shows at the community center
as well. Uh we've also enhanced uh the space that we're in. In every space that we're in, we try to, you know, use a little bit of our own funding to enhance that space, making it a little more rentable, uh, for other productions, other shows in the future. And we bring a lot of new people to that building.
Uh, each one of our shows brings in at least a 100 people per production. And since our production, five years in production, don't realize St. Cloud has a community theater. theater and a vibrant arts program is a pillar of a thriving community. As a
nonprofit, we rely on ticket sales, donations, and volunteers. Struggles to maintain budget that cover operational costs, including royalties, sets, costumes, etc. So, those are the problems that we have had. Uh the solutions to these
problems are that we have partnered with Parks and Wreck and we have hosted citywide events since we were created and partnering with Aaron Jinx at Parks and Wreck. You have probably seen us on the New Year's Eve stages. You've seen us at St. Patrick's Day to the July 4th festival and we've also helped out with
the acting and directing of the Trail of Terror. Uh what we really need is support from the city. One of the biggest problems we have is we do the monthly markets and a lot of people go, "We have a theater in town." They didn't know. Constantly we're asked, "We have a
theater in town." We didn't know. The market has been helping us a lot. One of the big things is advertising in the city. Um, using citywide social media if there's any way that we're able to to partner with that to share what we're doing in our town. Uh, grant assistance, which we actually did sign up for the
citywide grants program, which Jason will be taking. I wanted to add this of acting theaters by county in OciOla County. There is one that is Ocula Arts. They have one building. They've been around for 60
years. We love them. They've been around forever. Theater in the Cloud and Arts Unlimited. Every other big stage are schools or they're owned by the county. So the Austin County School for the Arts, that stage is owned by the county and all the other ones are basically high schools. in Orange County. Some of
them Breakthrough Theater, Winter Park Playhouse, Renaissance Theater Company, Orlando Family Stage, Orlando Shakes, CF Arts. There are many, many more. There's about 35 standalone acting theaters. These are small companies. This is what we'd like to do in our city and with the help of the
city and the people. Summer camps, theater classes, and workshops. Um, tapping into local and state arts funding. Our biggest goal that we would like to do is we want to have our own permanent building so that St. Cloud can say that it has its own community municipal
theater. That's why we're giving this presentation today is to a call for help um from all of you. I know we've sat down with many of the council members. I know Miss Paul we have yet to have a chance to sit down and speak which we will do that. Uh some of the reviews we've had actors ranging from 15
years old, 13 years old all the way to 82. Um, we are a community theater. You have to have no acting experience to be in a show. And that is our presentation. Uh, do you have any questions for us, Council Member Gilbert? Yeah, thank you
very much. Our arts, we had uh um in the bridge we had another art display uh just before this meeting. And I I truly believe arts is is is such an expression and so needed in today's society. I think it gets lost sometimes. But uh I
would just love to partner with you. We had talked earlier about uh acting classes getting the youth involved u the groundup stuff because if there's acting or or ballet or dance or it's just really not here. That is one of the
issues. We love being at the women's club. We love the building has a small stage. We also share that building, you know, because it is a city-owned building. We do share that with the women's club, the Rotary, and the museum. So, we do three shows a year for us to add more programming. The scheduling gets very tight. That's why
we really are trying to find a a new building, our own space that we can run a schedule with. Well, I I I know that that the city council would love to have space available and and that you're not the only folks, but I I believe in you. I believe in what you're doing and I'd
like as a personal, not just a council person to assist you there. So, please let me know how and thank you for you doing. It's so important for this culture uh to be in our city as we continue to grow. I yield back to you, Mayor. And Deputy Mayor Fletcher, um I just want to say thank you um um for the
update and thank you for the overview of of of what you provide here um in the city of St. Cloud. I know that your partnership has run long with the city. Um you are um the host and the face of a lot of the city events. Um and and as a city, you know, at least me personally
and I know the council, um we thank you for that and look forward to any future opportunities um that lie ahead in the future. So, thank you for the update. Thank you, Council Member Urban. Yeah, thank you all for uh being here tonight. I' I've gotten to know you uh throughout
many events in the city and and you guys do a great job in our community. As Councilman Gilbert said, we just met with the St. CL high school arts program who we're going to hear from soon and arts is so important in our city and in our community. So whatever we could do to support you and partner with you I'm
I'm all for. Thanks sir. Thank you. Uh Council Member Paul and I want to say thank you for the presentation and thank you for all that you do in the St. Cloud community and look forward to um speaking with you as well. Thank you. Yep. Thank you for the presentation. Um,
but no, you know, we've sat down and we've spoken and and you guys know I have a stage and we'll kind of we'll talk about that here in the future here. Um, but one thing, you know, this council, we we're going to move forward on doing some things in Veterans Park here. So, there's a band show and hopefully on Sunday mornings we can do
some things and include you guys. I think believe one of y'all are on that. I'm on it. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're going to be meeting on that soon, probably in the next month and uh start strategizing, coming up some ideas on that. So, sounds great. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Next up, we have the
presentation of the Golden Brush Award. Well, Mayor, if you give me just a couple of seconds, I I I would like to actually respond to the gentleman that just spoke. Um, you know, my name is Nate Vancer. I've been the principal at St. Cloud High School. I'm going into my 15th year next year, and we are uh St.
St. Cloud High School has really become almost secondary to the School for the Arts. I can touch base with them later if they if they disappeared. You're you're looking around, but if somebody could give me their information, we at St. Cloud High School in my 15 years there have have expanded the arts to
become um an a magnet almost parallel to the Ocola County School for the Arts. We offer ballet, visual arts, band, orchestra, chorus, musical theater, dance, ballet, acting, drama, musical theater.
I probably said that already. And we have technical theater. So, we have an 800 person auditorium that is out of 365 days of the year is empty most of those days. And I would love to be able to partner wi with a a troop like that that could also work with our students and
teach them exactly what it takes to run a production from the front of the house to the back of the house on how to market a how to market a show, how to build the set. So, I think that is something that they they would also find valuable if they were to have shows at our school. They could it could be a very profitable fundraiser for them as
well. So, um, I don't know if I'm supposed to be saying this right now, but I I often do things that I'm not supposed to, but doing some partnerships with the city and the school and and you know, that's not the first time. Years ago, you know, when our community was so so much smaller, right? Um, you know, when Poff and they had the the fire at
the Poff mechanic center, they the um Poff actually operate out of St. Cloud High and taught the kids the the Absolutely. I mean it's being a public school administrator the school is it's for the public. So you know we have huge facilities and you
know I would love to partner with anybody that would like to be able to to use those. Um and it is a a benefit to both parties. So I want to put that out there. Deputy mayor, would you like to get uh absolutely principal in touch with the folks? Absolutely. Um but again thank you for having me here tonight. Good evening Mayor Robertson and
esteemed members of the council. It's my honor to recognize the incredibly talented students from St. Cloud High School who are receiving the prestigious Golden Brush Award tonight. We're close to 10 years on this award. So again, I really appreciate if we could give them a round of applause. Everybody,
we can go and ask the kids to come on up or we going to They are. So give me two seconds. These young artists don't just create beautiful work, they tell stories. The art provokes thought and it reflects the soul of our community through every brush stroke. Art has the power to connect, to heal,
to ignite change. And our students are doing just that. They are not only the future of the arts. They are already making their mark today. And as we celebrate their creativity and dedication, we are reminded that when we invest in the arts, we invest in
imagination, innovation, and identity. On behalf of St. Cloud High School, thank you for shining a light on their brilliance. I'd like to introduce Miss Dagam to introduce and award our seniors. So, I'm going to pass the baton
to her. Thank you. I'd like to ask the council to go down below here and we're going to have the the kids come up if everybody wants to help put the the cords on the students. We would like to call all the seniors first. Yeah, the seniors. Yeah. You want to give this one first?
All the seniors, please come forward. Um, Mr. Fry. So, uh, the the cord that they're going to receive is the chord of the fine arts. So, they only get this if they've
fulfilled the portfolio component. So, they get to wear it at graduation. They Yes, they get to wear this during their graduation. So, um, we're gonna give it to you guys. And I think each student is going to
sing a song tonight as well. and we got to meet with the students earlier and they talked they shared the stories about their art how they got into the hobby of art or the art of it and really left a lasting impression. So, thank you. Okay, how do we present?
They don't wear it on their ears. You can just hand it to them. [Applause] [Applause] Can I take your question? Mr. Maybe for the picture we had their names in it too.
Okay, right here, please. I got everybody's faces. Um, Deputy Mayor, can you step a little bit to your right? There you go. Perfect. Got it. Thank you. Here we go. One,
two. Thank you. Just stay there, guys. The next part we would like to call in the rest of the kids who are underassmen to join the seniors. Yes. So, uh, guys, they're going to pin it on
you. The, uh, Yes. Uh, you just pin it on the Yeah. Is there Everybody got one? and then we're gonna have the picture. Everybody go. Here you go, sir. Thank you.
And then uh if you don't mind uh squeeze together the ones who are wearing pants. I'm going to fight here. Say, "Go Bulldogs." All right, everybody. Thank you, ma. Thank you very much,
Mayor Robertson and council. [Applause] Have a good Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you, principal. And now the boring part. All right, we'll wait till the room clear out a little bit more.
All right. Next up, we have a presentation from Pervis Grain Company, the independent auditors, and I request uh approval of council action. Item one. Is that uh that's item one is the the auditor. So, as soon as he's done with the presentation, if we could just
have a motion. Sure. Thank you, sir. Yeah. I was glad I was I was happy to see a pack crowd to listen to the audit presentation. I I think they all cleared out though now, so that makes a lot more sense. Um, so so I'm here to give the audit results for the year ending September 30th, 2024 for the city's
financial audit. My name is Matthew Genno. I'm an audit director that oversees the audit engagements with the city. I'm joined today by Tim Westgate, audit partner with the firm as well, who works on the oversees the engagement. So this is just a screenshot of the leadership team of
the audit team for the audit team. Um just the point out that the city does participate in the GFOA certificate of achievement and excellence in financial reporting. This requires the city to go above and beyond the standard requirements um in the name of transparency and more timely financial reporting. This requires the city to
submit additional schedules with their financial with their AFR or annual financial report. Um as well they did receive the award for the year ending September 30th, 2023. And we expect this year's financial statements also to receive that uh prestigious
award. So as part of our audit engagement, we issue several audit reports. The primary one, the main one that everybody's going to look for is the independent auditor's report. In this report, it discusses management's responsibility is the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statements of the city. Our
responsibility as auditors is to perform audit procedures and issue an opinion on those financial statements that they are fairly presented in all material respects. Happy to say based off of our audit procedure procedures the city we did um have a clean opinion and unmodified opinion highest level of
assurance that we can offer as part of this engagement that the financial statements are fairly presented in all material respects. Um we also issue a report over internal controls over financial reporting and compliance as required by government auditing standards. Um if there was anything in
that report to bring to your attention um it would be it would be found in that there's no no material weaknesses. Um there was one issue related to compliance which is long outstanding related to the Stevens plantation um that's been ongoing for Salvairs. I know management and um is working on that to
get that addressed and hopefully that can be gone in the near future. We also issue a compliance report on 218 Florida statute 218415 with the city's investment compliance. Again, nothing to bring to your attention that the city did um comply in all material respects related to that
requirement for the investment policy. Since the city expends more than $750,000 in federal awards, they are required to have a special single audit, which is a compliance audit over those federal expenditures uh to ensure that they were properly expended and no
findings or question costs. I'm happy to report that we did not have any findings that are in that report. as well. We also issue a report um to the council members um and to management and it has a lot of boilerplate language in there. It talks about what the estimates
that management used for the preparation of their financial statements. It also discussed any possible audit adjustments that were found or any past adjustments as well as if we had any disagreements with management or any other difficulties that we feel that we would need to bring to your attention. Happy to report everything
went well. Uh no disagreements with management. There was a slight delay. The city does try to issue their annual financial report by March 31st. Um this year some of the actual reports came in in late February, early March as well as some time to get the GFOA certificate of achievement um findings or results or
any recommendations they have. Um due to that um it was extended one month and it was issued in April instead. This is just the the recommendation that I previously mentioned earlier and this is ongoing from several years. I the um I know the city's working on this to get this resolved and hopefully again that can be
resolved in the near future so that can be removed. Um and this last slide I think I have is just talking about some of the upcoming future accounting pronouncements. We discussed this with management during the end of um last year's audit and we'll do so again when we come back out to the city to start
the new audit. Um but management's aware of these and we'll discuss it further so they can review them and implement them as needed. Um that's all I have for the audit presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions if anybody has any. Council member Gilbert. Yeah. Uh, thank
you very much and it's been a pleasure. Uh, you guys do a great job. Uh, we're looking at something in 2013 and I know that may or may not be how you help us get rid of it, but any blimp on our radar screen uh may or may not hurt us
in in our credit values as we go for bonds and things such as that. Do you have any suggestions of how this uh uh 12 little over 12 year old uh blip gets um taken care of? Yeah, I mean the main thing that's really looking for that is just some something really to asssure
that there is no contingent liability that the city has any liability or anything else that may be related to this. The city did sell all of the property related to this. Um just trying to get some sort sort of assurance that there is no pending liability that the city may have to repay related to this engagement. Um, typically that would be
in the form of either some sort of release from any type of liability or um obtaining from a an attorney letter opining on it as well. So, I know management's discussed because I know this is ongoing and everybody wants it to kind of be removed. So, I think it's there just at that last step. Just needs
something to ensure that there's no liability that the Stevens plantation may have. Yeah. And we know that in seven years usually things go off your but this is uh 12 13 years old. So, thank you very much. All right. City attorney. Yeah. Just just a little update on that because we are
working with the bond holders attorneys and the trustees attorneys with regard to this and and as was and Matt pointed out, there is no liability to the city uh with that. But we the the provisions related to those bonds. The repayment
source was the real property. Once all the property were sold, there's no liability to this to the city or to the DSD actually for the bonds. Uh the the the delay has been getting the bond holders to sign off on the release that met with uh we did we did find out about
two weeks ago that one of the the several bond holders have signed off on it and hopefully we're moving in the direction to get it done pretty quickly. All right. Thank you. Appreciate that. And uh I believe we do have receiving this report. Uh, any
other questions from us? No. All right. And madame clerk, can you please read council action item number one into the record? Request city council's acceptance of the city's annual annual comprehensive financial report ACFR for fiscal year
2324 as presented by Pervis Grand Company LLC independent auditors. Motion to approve. We have a motion from Council Member Gilbert. Second from SE Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Paul, I. Council member Urban, I. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor
Fletcher. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 5-0. All right. Thank you. And the next portion. Thank you guys. I appreciate that report report on that. The next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda which contains items that have been determined
to be routine and non-controversial. If anyone in the audience wishes to address particular item on the consent agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so. Additionally, if staff or members of the city council wish to speak on a consent item, they have the same
opportunity. Council, do you have any items that you'd like to pull? Deputy May I'm sorry, Council Member Urban was um item M is already pulled for a separate vote. Yes. Okay.
Just like to uh pull that for discussion as well. M. All right. and council member Gilbert. Uh, may I pull A, please? And then D, please Council Member Paul. Council member
Gilbert beat me to A, but thank you. Okay. All right. And let's go ahead and uh who's up first on that one? We have uh Council Member Urban item. Well, let's just go right down the the You want to do start with A? Is that how we would typically do it?
There's a bunch of them in here. And who wanted? Council member Gilbert. Yeah. Uh looking at the uh rate schedule and it's resolution number 2025030R. Uh what we are trying to
accomplish um in in our rate um adjustments uh was that the city of St. cloud taxpayers pay a certain amount of money to have some of these what I I don't want to call them lost leaders but to operate a park or a swimming pool or
a basketball court it always is less it's it's more expensive than what we charge but we try to recoup some of our stuff so I think what we've done and and and the city manager can attest to this we've looked at and asked them to raise
the rights for noncitizens of St. cloud because they don't play the the citizen uh the city state the city tax. Therefore, there's additional volumes due. Again, I don't believe that these rates cover our cost. I do help them
cushion the cost of what what they are, but not not cover the cost. Uh so, I I know we'd started this a few years ago. I'd like all the citizens to be able to look at this. And this is what we're trying to do is just cover a portion of our cost, not the full cost, not to
cover, but to cushion some of the the expenses. Uh, as we look at these the the pool passes and things such as that, if anybody has a pool at home, they know how much it costs to operate. But if you look at a city, the costs are exorbitant for that. So, I just want the uh
citizens to know that this has been working down for two years now that we we think we've came up with some viable cost. Again, not to cover them, but just to cushion the cost. With that, I yield back to uh Council Member Paul for any comments that she may have. Thank you.
Thank you. So, if I could um if I can get um our deputy na man manager Scott to come up and publicly indicate the cost of the repairs for each location. Um I think you mean of the boat ramps.
Yes. For the for the boat ramps. Yes. And forgive me because excuse me, Scott David off, deputy city manager. Uh, council member Paul's question regarding our boat ramps and our marine facilities. Uh, the
marina repair which has been discussed by this council or excuse me in previous councils. Uh, there are some needed repairs that need to be done at the marina. staff is in the process right now of obtaining those quotes and that project is estimated right now from the
first quote to be somewhere between 785,000 to 1.1 million. Uh, in 2019, the lakefront was dredged at a cost of $247,000 and we are currently right now
under construction to redo and enhance the boat ramp over at Chisom Park and that total will be $455,477. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. And just just just to um add to that, um I believe um to to Council Member Gilbert's point, um
I believe in the last year since I've sat on council, I believe we've done um repairs to the restroom facilities at the pool. We've we've made upgrades there um as as well. So, just wanted to put that out there because I know I didn't ask for it, but you are correct.
Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Is that all? Thank you. Thank you, Scott. You're very welcome. Thank you. Council member Urban, you want to speak on D? Is that Gilbert? I believe.
That was D. No, that was A. You asked for D. Yeah, I did ask for for for D. Again, when we're talking about u I'm sorry to to bring everybody up to snuff. We're talking about rental pavilions and rental facilities that the city has uh in the
upkeep of of such facilities and rentals. Uh from our pavilions at Lakefront to our our uh meeting rooms in in in meeting playing rooms. Uh my background is in the meeting playing business. My company does over 380 meetings a year and I noticed that our
cost over uh 27 years has increased uh considerably. But I I noticed when I had came to work here that our rental rates have not increased at all uh for for some of our facilities and some of them go back for seven years. And the reason
I say that is because I look at the whole tax base payers as all of our citizens which is 68,000 citizens but I would think there's more than that through our census but not all those people use these facilities. So I don't know why it's determined that they take
money out of their hard-earned money to pay for these events that people come from outside of the city of St. Cloud to hold a bar mitzvah, to hold a wedding, to have a birthday party and things like that. So we dove deep into it and say what are actually costs. I don't believe
that these uh I I know and and and prove me wrong that these uh facilities that we offer make the city money. Again, I just want to cushion that versus costing us. So, what we did is we looked at the cost of doing business and the cost of
rental facilities in other counties, Semino County, Orange County, Valuchia County, and then Acola County. And our rates are trying to get near those rates. Again, it doesn't cover the cost, but it cushions the cost. So, we have very many great facilities that weddings
are held at that that there's certain uh venues. If you look at lakefront, our pavilions, great place to have a birthday party or anything else, but we are just looking at trying to keep up some of those costs and costs associated because wages have gone up, materials
have gone up. Uh just rental space in itself has gone up per square footage and these these new schedules, schedule D will not recover fully but recover some of our cushionability. not not not it's still not comfortable with me but I think we're going in the right
direction. So these are another areas we've been looking at for two and so years and they just need to be done and I'd encourage any citizen here or that's online to look at the the that our venues and there's still a great cost and and a great savings plus great
venues. Uh Canry Park is a great venue that uh above Krabby Bills is a great venue. All those pavilions is a great venue but what goes into those venues is the cost of maintaining the cost of maintenance and the cost of having those facility and keeping the lights on. So,
those are why we've adjusted these schedules, I believe. And I yield back to you, mayor and council, for any of your input. Yes, sir. All right. And uh I would like to chime in in 11th hour here. I'd like to pull item J and K as well. I want to speak
about the the public safety complex. Um do we have somebody from ADG here? Ancansa. Yes, please. Yes, sir. Yeah, I want to put a face to the name and how you doing? Name and Ian Reeves, Architects Design Group President. Yes,
sir. And Scansa. Yes, I'm Bob Collidy, regional director with Scansa. Okay. So, you are owner rep on the project and uh you're the architect and doing the civil engineering on the entire site. Yes, sir. And so, we're going to be moving forward on phase one, right, which is the uh comm center. And uh if we can get
the police chief up here as well. I know he knows more about this project than anybody in our uh throughout the years. I know. Uh good afternoon or good evening everyone. Doug Gerky, chief of the police. Yeah. Yes, sir. That is phase one that we're working on right now that's before you today on the consent agenda. Okay. That that's the
emergency management center as well or emergency operations and comm center. Yes, sir. So, it's going to be some of the site development around the area, but it's going to be the emergency operations center and communication center, state-of-the-art facility, uh, that should be carrying us for the next 30 years plus. So, very, very excited about to be moving forward for it. All
right. So, so when you you guys write out the hurricanes, you've been in that little building on Tent Street here, and it's just uh it's outlived it shelf life. It's done. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's very interesting. But yes, sir. Okay. That'll help us definitely. And I'll tell you, I'm so excited this project's moving forward. This has been
on the books for 10 years at least. I longer. Yeah. Um, you know, this city was purchased. It's been paid off for many years. It's been at risk a few times for town home developments in the past and thankfully that never happened because here we are
today. We're moving forward and and public safety is number one in our community. So, I want to thank you guys and uh and we look forward to the next couple of years, I guess, getting this this project completed, all of the phases. Thank you, Mayor. We appreciate that. and and obviously, you know, we're at capacity and I'll tell you as a
growing city, a vibrant city, we want to make sure we have the correct infrastructure in place to ensure that we continue to stay the safest city in the state of Florida and obviously uh continue to provide top-notch services is basically what you expect us to do and uh we're excited. So, thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you for your support.
Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. Well, can we go ahead and get a motion to approve the consent agenda minus the items that we took off? Council member Urban, I was going to discuss item M. We're going to do that on a separate Oh, okay. Okay. Go ahead. Uh, yeah, that was
going to be voted with. Yes. So, there were we've pulled that for a separate vote. Yeah. Right. So, everything minus M. Well, we also moved C to here later on and then Q was removed. So, so correct. Other so everything but C M and Q and Q. Right.
All right. Can we get a motion to approve that consent agenda? Motion to approve as read. Motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Urban. I. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council
member Paul. I. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 5-0. All right. And now we are going to vote separately on item M. If I may, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Gilbert. Yes, sir. You need to announce your conflict. I
have to recuse myself. Yeah. Thank you. And he'll you'll complete the conflict form after the meeting. I already have. Thank you. Uh, right. City attorney had done that prior to the meeting. Great. Thank you. Very cool. All right. And can we get a motion to approve item M? I think Mr. Oh, I'm
sorry. Council member Urban. Uh, yeah. So, I just um wanted to um bring up the fact that I met with the the applicant on uh this project and um because they are um reviving what I believe is an
economic development opportunity for our city and investing a lot in our community. I wanted to see what if the council would entertain uh possibly uh adding in an exclusivity clause for this uh particular vendor and also um a boat
slip for their service boat to be able to get the boat in and out at least for the first five years just to help them get them off the ground and keep them operating in our city. Terry, would you like to come up and speak to us about this please? We all met with Terry and uh she shared
her great vision for this boat and we're very excited. Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, city council members Veronica. Uh my name is Terry Torrren and we're excited to be here. Uh the company that we have formed to take over the river boat at the front is called Vintage Voyages and uh we hope to uh revive the
boat and take it in a little bit different direction. Hopefully, we're going to maybe entertain some folks with some history of how uh the lakes and lands were altered over time by people like Hamilton Dist and Henry Flagler. And so, the new uh business will be
called the Old Florida Riverboat Company. And uh we hope to actually get with Theater in the Cloud. So, they're pretty popular tonight because we're hoping to do some some uh stuff with them. Uh but really what I wanted to ask you guys about and specifically thank you council member Urban for bringing it up is it's a pretty significant
investment to get that boat not only uh out from under the previous owner but it's significant uh renovations right now. A lot that uh we're doing and will continue to do over time. uh it's an expensive venture and so I was hoping that you guys would entertain the concept of giving us uh an exclusivity
clause just because uh it would help to continue to ensure that it drove the business to that particular uh venue versus maybe some alternatives that could come in for a lot less money that would really kind of challenge our ability to stay in business. And so that's kind of really what we're looking
for. The other thing was a a city dock. There's a a work boat that we use to clean and push the boat around. It's nothing fancy. It can actually be tied even not in a slip if anywhere is good with us, but it's easier to have it at the dock if it's possible because it makes it easier to get in and out rather
than keeping it on the trailer. So that's what I was hoping for and so that was what my request was. All right, city attorney. Any questions? So, with regard to the exclus, I guess we would need a little bit more detail about what we're what you're asking for
before the uh before the council decides or gives us direction on how to revise the current agreement because that's not in the current agreement. Um the other thing is there is I want to make sure that before you there is a provision in the agreement that has a blank in it that we needed to work out and we and Mrs. Miller and Miss Torren worked it
out earlier, but on when you when you consider agreement on page five, there's a provision in there that requires the uh operator to to be up and operating within a certain period of time. So, we we'd like to we've agreed to add 90 days. So, once the agreement is
approved, they'd have 90 days from which to start operating. But, so we can talk about the exclusivity clause a little bit more as long as we as soon as we get better understanding of what we're looking for, what they're asking for. Okay. So, we do we would need to hold off on a vote on this until we understand that better. I think so.
Yeah. If you want to give us some direction on how Well, we can talk about it right now. I just don't know what you want to do. So, with some direction from the council. Um I think I I thought you were waiting for Terry to put more give more information now or from us. I think we I'd like to hear more information about what she's asked. I don't know if
the council knows. Um sorry. Go ahead. Can I speak? Okay. Um so, thank you, Cherry. First of all, um I know this is a big undertaking and and as have as as we've dealt with this issue over time. Um I I really appreciate the the steadfast commitment
of the folks have worked so hard um to get this back up and running. Um we did have the opportunity to meet. Um I am familiar with with with the request for the exclusivity. Um I am in in in favor of it um as well as well as um adding the the additional um boat slip for you
guys. Um, I look at this as an economic development project. Um, a way to showcase the city. Um, that's always been the way that I've looked at it from from the beginning. Um, I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of of continuing it. I think we could kind of make that decision tonight.
If if I could, I'm sorry if I didn't explain it correctly. So, it's language. Well, it's a say to just say you want an exclusivity clause is pretty wide open phrase, right? So, uh right now you are right now the agreement provides that there's a franchise area that's being granted,
right? So, th this this vendor the the the entity you're dealing with will be the only entity that's allowed to use that franchise area. So, with regard to the franchise area, that is an exclusive um that is an exclusive right, but it
sounds like we're looking for something more than just the franchise area, and I just don't know what that is. I'm not sure what that is. Do you want me to describe like when we had our conversations, does that did that help? Yeah. Um, Deputy Mayor, did you have something else to add to that when Dan was saying? Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry.
Oh, I don't have anything to say. No, I'm sorry. The light was on. Yes, Terry. Go ahead. Okay. So, uh, one of the things that came to our mind is if there was something similar that operated like a pontoon boat that was there prior to the river boat, they'd be able to
operate for a lot less overhead and would uh be able to sell the product a lot le lot less expensive than we would with the larger facility and overhead and all that sort of stuff. So, what we were looking for was exclusivity to not have a similar uh tour type boat operate
in the basin. Does that make sense to anybody? That's how I understood all of city attorney. Well, yeah, I mean that does that makes sense. I was just trying to what we're talking about. Uh so if that's something the council wants, we certainly can write that up. Uh recognizing of
course the city has limited ability to restrict certain operators who who are not using a like for example if someone launches at from or pulls up at the boat dock. They don't have a slip there and they're not using
anything to board from the city property and they're running some sort of tour operation. We're going to be tough for the city to stop that. Right. Uh we certainly can if you had certainly the city could agree not to rent to another pontoon boat facility, not to put up uh
not to grant any other rights for anybody else to operate tours out of the city's facilities. Um and we certainly can agree to do that if I think and I don't mind the the exclusive on the on the the boat obviously that's a you're putting a lot of money into that. I I
just fear putting that extra burden on the city. If somebody brings a quality boat, it's not like if if they bring a obviously a ragtag boat, you don't want that kind of a competition, but if somebody brings a quality boat, I think it's different than the river boat experience.
Um I don't know. What are y'all's thoughts? That's that's kind of a that's where it's if I how do we tie up something else and and we just need direction from the council. I think Miss Torren just told you what she's asking for. Yeah. And I'm okay with the five years on the river
boat. It's or the paddle boat. I guess that's the You're talking about the five years on the slip. A five? No. Well, fiveyear um exclusive on the paddle boat where we're not going to enter into another franchise agreement with another paddle boat
operator. Isn't that That's number one. Then there's the slip, right? You need a tugboat or a pull boat. Yeah. Um what is that? $800 a year is our typical fees on that. That's correct. Is that what we Is there any way that we can get some kind of
sponsorship from providing that? Sure. Whatever y'all offer. You get sponsorship on everything I do. Right. You're kind of the boss. Yeah. All right. Um, so on the on the boat slip, is it the consensus of the council? I think Mr. Urban had suggested
for five years, the first term, I would say. Well, at least for the first five years and and and we could revisit it after that. Okay. If that's it. Yeah. But can we at least give them the right of first refusal on any other uh franchise agreements or any other kind
of If I could I was just trying to stick with the boat slip piece for first. Right. So just got a consensus on that. So the consensus of the of the council is would be okay for allow her to allow them to have access to one boat slip for their push boat whatever you call it uh
for a per for the basically for five years. The cont the term provides for initial term of five years. So you would end up renegotiating it after the first five years anyway. So it could be dealt with at that point. So is there a consensus on that? Okay. All right. So we got that part. All right. So now back
to the exclusive piece. All right. Right. And so, mayor, what was your suggestion on that? I agree with the five-year on the boat, the big boat, the paddle, any paddle paddle boat franchise agreement. Um, maybe with any other type of a a watercraft franchise agreement,
we give a right of first refusal for the first five years. Is that fair? Yeah. Is that fair for you? I mean, that's what I'm asking you. that it's if that's something that's acceptable on your side. You would like another boat there inside the first 5 years to operate and
to do that or Well, we don't know what tomorrow brings. So, you know, that's that's the but I'm saying I'm willing to put that in the language and support that language where you get a right of first refusal. If somebody comes to the table and says, "Hey, you know, we've got this type of an operation." Then
we'd say, "Hey, could you would you be interested in doing it?" Yeah. I I is that does that make sense, Dan? Is that something we could do? So, are you referring to a a tour boat operator different than the what what
Miss Torren is proposing with regards to the larger river boat? So, she mentioned a a basically a pontoon boat running tours out of there. So, what you're suggesting is that if if an operator like that comes to the city and says, "I want to operate," we'd give them the first
right of refusal to do that. Yes, sir. Otherwise, you're okay with the paddleboat exclusivity piece. I'm okay with the paddle boat. I mean, practically no one else is gonna Yeah, I don't think anybody a boat in there like that. Pretty much agree with that. The paddle boats, right? We're sure on the paddle boat. I
think it would be tough to be able to to support both of those though, like a pontoon boat and a paddle boat. That was why I was asking for the exclusivity and versus a first right of refusal. Yeah. So, again, we just need direction on how council member Paul. So, I think Miss um
Torrance was referring to um because you know she's investing so much money into this project, then someone decides to come in and want to do the same thing, they could bring another big river boat, but I don't think we need multiple boats, you know, doing the same thing.
And that would be my concern if we left it open that way. So, yeah. And that's why we did close that with a 5-year um um exclusive for the river boat. Yeah. My concern is a paddle boat. It's it's something like the the previous pontoon that was operating there because that
you could you could come in with a lot less money and compete with for a lot less overhead. And that was that's my concern because if that boat was to be resurrected and start operating out of the city uh docks, you know, they could probably I'm concerned with I think
they're totally different businesses. I think you you're going to be offering such a great experience that that's going to be a totally different you know a little paddle boat ride is not or a pontoon boat ride is different than what and if I could clarify so the prior operation that Morrren is referring to
operated with a franchise agreement from the city also right because it used the dock space in the city and did it so if another vendor wanted to come in and do what she's suggesting they have to come in front of the city council for a franchise agreement at that time before
they could do that. Okay. What are y'all's thoughts? This is I'm okay with the with the I'm okay with the five-year exclusive. Just the regular exclusive. However, however, the paddle boat. Yeah.
For the paddle boat and the the slip. Just to keep it simple. Okay. No. No exclusive on a pontoon because that's I mean for for for the type of operation that that they're running I I could see where a
pontoon would be an issue but they would have to come back before council to get that approval. Right. Right. Okay. So fiveyear exclusive and then if anybody else wanted to come say 30 40 folks on a pontoon boat that company has to come back. That's correct. Okay. As long as
that's the way then I'm okay. Is that how many people they fit on that pontoon? I think I don't know somebody never any of them. So it we're I think we have consensus on the five-year um for the you for the the council
member Urban before we move forward on this. So it um is this something we can move forward with that we can put this in agreement and approve it? Yeah. So typically when we've done this before is essentially we can rewrite the agreement. The council authorizes the mayor to basically work with us to make
sure the language is fine and then he can sign off on the agreement so we don't have to bring it back. Okay, I'm good with that. All right. So, we have consensus on uh Yeah. So, we're exclusive five-year paddle boat and to for a five-year boat slip for the pool boat. Yes. With some sponsorship and
then and then the n and then the 90day provision that we talked about the 90 days to commence operations. Yes, sir. And can we get a motion on that? to include that language into the franchise agreement. Motion to approve as discussed. Motion from Deputy Mayor
Fletcher. Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. I. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries 40. Welcome.
I believe that is all for the consent agenda. All right. Next, we have the citizen forum. Any person who desires to comment on any item not in the agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided in the by the to the pres
preciding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person addresses the council. And first we have Mr. Mark Kentley. I'm going to yield to We have a a spokesperson that I'm going to yield to.
Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Uh, do we have a spokesperson who What's his name? Maybe he's Did he sign a form? Keith. Keith Smear. Yes, sir. Yeah. I would not have pronounced that right. Uh, name and address for the
record, please. Uh, my name is Keith Smeir's 207 Flag of the Court. Um, I'm part of the board of directors of the HOA, uh, Savannah Park. Uh the issue I'd like to talk about today is the trail that's being put in along Rumble Road
and the Savannah Park property the city's looking to buy. Um we have been trying to work in good faith to sell the property to you guys. Uh we've brought up several times the concern we have for the opening of that whole pond side that
is there where the trail is now going to run and have continued to get push back from the people been dealing with where we've been told no we can't do a fence we can't do a fence we can't do a fence you guys have been talking about safety and security here tonight there was just
unfortunately a lady in CMI who attacked by an alligator she was out on the waterways this week two calls for alligator ators in that pond. So, this is a very serious concern we have. We're also concerned about the fact that now
this whole backside of people's houses is open up to people to come and just, you know, basically probably people's backyards. You know, I don't know how many of you people have open backyards, closed backyards. How would you like it if all of a sudden that protection you had for your backyard
wasn't there? Um, that's another big concern that we had. Um, that's part of the thing. We were told from the council who's representing the city that that talk with selling the
property that the HOA currently has has nothing to do with the adjacent property. Um, we feel it kind of does. Um, but yeah, I can only go by what he was said. Uh, the other Kim, I'm sorry. I'm going to clarify. What were you saying about the what property? Okay.
So, the HOA, the city's looking to buy the plot that is right there on Pacwin and Rumble, right, to continue the trail where they want to put the trail, which again, the citizen, most of the citizens, most residents in our neighborhood are open to that. They're
actually very receptive about having a trail there. They're, you know, hey, we got several people who like to walk, get down to the, you know, get down to Lakefront. It's nice to do that. Unfortunately, I guess you guys hit some snags with running along Rummel and decide to move into the right ofway,
which is right on the pond, the north side of our pond. The pond is HOA property. We take care of it. Um, unfortunately, if you put the trail where we were told without any kind of barrier, then that now creates a safety concern. You know, safety not just for
people walking by and have kids that go, "Oh, look, pond run down." because that's, you know, that's where the natural vegetation is to keep it away from the home side is that's where the natural vegetation is. That's where alligators like to be. So if something's going to happen, it's going to happen on
that side. Um, and then so we're basically told that offense was out of the question. Um, I don't know why offense was out of the question. Um, but we that's what we were told originally. Um, when you say originally, like some
some time back. Yes. Okay. When like a couple months back when we're talking with um people from the city who came out, people who were involved in the project, are you up to date with the conversations now and where it's at with about a fence? Um last because I know there's been a lot of conversation
because I've walked it with Mark. Yes. I I know that there has been some Teresa many times. And that's part of the other thing too. I know that there's been some council members who have been open to an idea of offense. We've sent a proposal. Um, it's pretty much this here, right?
Which we were told this is where we got the response because that section is not part of the property that the city's looking to buy. That that was not up for discussion. Yeah, I don't think that's correct. I can open I can I can honestly
say that I've seen the emails back and forth between the city and the city attorney and everybody else and there has been discussion about offense. So, I think maybe you're got old information. I've got my own email, sir. But I will tell you the discussions aren't over yet. So, I think it's a little premature
to act like there's no Oh, no. I'm not acting like there's no. I'm I'm bringing it to you guys' attention now because I Oh, we we're well aware. So, we appreciate that. The impression I got from the last letter from the response that I received from your attorney over
there was that the adjacent property was not part of the discussion. It's not part of the the purchase of that property. It I know we've spoken I know I have spoken with a number of the residents
and and what is your position? You're a property owner in there or the HOA president or No, no, no. I'm I'm part of the board of of directors there. I do live there. I live inside of there. And I think that's the problem. There's so many voices coming out of that subdivision where it's who's the actual person and that is dealing directly with
the city attorney. That's who I'm concerned with. Yes. Um, city attorney, I'll let you go ahead and speak on this. Well, we obviously have been dealing with the attorney for the HOA. So, uh, and all the correspondence we've had is with their attorney. So, when dealing with it, what I think is important to recognize
is the city right now has the absolute right to put the trail along that part that the gentleman referred to where the pond is. That's right. The city can build a trail there right now without doing anything. So, and that's fully understood. We we understand that.
But if I could, so that's when we referred to them that those two are not they are connected because obviously the city needs that other vacant piece to basically finish the trail, but they're but the point that they've been asking for where the fence is is on that area where the city can build without having
to do anything else. And that's why we we we've advised their council that we it would not be part of as you recall the city has already authorized to for us to pursue eminent domain. That issue with regard to the fence on that portion
of the trail trail area would not be part of the condemnation proceeding because it's on a different lot. And that's what we've tried to explain. We have, as you pointed out, mayor, and you've seen the emails back and forth, city staff has been working with the through the through us with the attorney
for the HOA, uh, has made a couple offers back. Uh, we have offered in terms of dollars considerably more than the property is appraised for and, uh, and are and are continuing continuing to work with their attorney to to see if we
can come to some sort of amicable resolution. Yes, sir. Yeah. And I don't think the negotiations are over. That's what I'm saying. I think it's premature to say that we've said no because if that's months of information I I have up to date. I get the I get copied on all their emails. If I made it seem like the council said no, I did not
mean to. And the city's not saying no yet either because I I know I've spoken with them ahead of time and and I know it's still going back and forth because as of probably a month ago there was the idea floated about a brick wall but then uh you guys would have to bring your pond up to date and yes of course it'd
be kind of expensive but your pond is has eroded over the years and that would have to come back into a compliance as well with the state. Am I correct with that? There's there's a lot of technical construction issues related to as I understand it related to putting the fence in that area. I was referring to
the the wall, which is why we couldn't the wall. I mean, there's there's because I I've really tried to turn over every stone to help you guys with all of this. I'm still in communication with and that's appreciated. Um it's just the fact of Yes, there's definitely some people that were in some residents that were very
much we want a wall. We want it to be brick wall. Um, we have since had some discussions among these homeowners and we've come to the consensus of if we can put one of those aluminum, you know, spearhead type fences, which we've actually priced out and they're not that
expensive. is actually cheaper to do that than a chain link fence that we could run that along that bank and give it a you know not and come as from my understanding if you did a brick wall you'd have to come 10 feet in from the edge of the pond and that I
understand would be a really major problem you have an estimate you said on the roughly roughly about give that to whoever the spokesperson is the attorney the HOA president to and that it can be part of the negotiations and whatever but from my understanding right now from what he just said too is that because
it's not part of the property that we're selling that it's not legally it's not and that's that's the difference. It's this he's the attorney and he's handling the the legal this the legal purchase of that parcel. We're talking about something else that probably the city already owns and you've got great
council members up here who are I think really want to look after the best interest of the citizens and want to put something there that that helps. I do understand I've walked Yeah, that's what we're looking at. We looked at a number of trees that are going to be come out and um so that that's yeah that's first and foremost and I think it is better
than a road going through there but I think we can make it better and I I'm all about making it safe and secure because we don't want people going on that trail and going down the pond and I definitely don't want anybody eating by an alligator. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Um I just wanted to say um I have had the
chance to speak with Mark and and folks out there. Um I do think that the you know we kind of got two separate issues, right? We got the issue with the the the property and then the the barrier. Um, for the record, I am in supportive of of of assisting with some type of barrier um that I have spoken to staff um about
that as far as my position um whatever we need to do um to to work in that direction I'm in favor of. So, I'm on the record of saying and that's basically all we're really asking. We're just asking to sit there and have this not just thrown off to the side, which is the feeling that a
lot of the residents are getting. Who who's thrown I don't I've never seen that. I don't want to name names, but there's some people that have felt like it's a lot of no offense lip service. Okay. The Now, there's definitely people who sit there and are very appreciative. You know, I can tell you uh the city up
here, they've got my phone number. If you can please call me because I've spoken to a number of residents and they know they can pick up the phone and talk to me as well. So, okay. I appreciate that and I I'm one of five up here as you can see. And and Mr. Mayor, before we we move on, I just want to make sure that the city council is aware that
staff who are the ones that are looking at the issues related to barriers and stuff in that area have pointed out that it isn't as simply as putting up a fence area to be there. There's some technical engineering design issues related to the pond. there's a lot of other moving
parts with regards to than simply putting in a fence and dealing with that. So, um I I understand that the council would like to explore that and we certainly can and Veronica can work with the people the staff that we can work on to do that and we can bring back to you what we understand being for
everybody what the people that do this have told us are going to be the uh you know some of the issues that might be very difficult to just simply put a a fence in that area. City manager, thank you. Um, if if I could, I sent an email
on Friday to the council explaining where where we were at. And I I do think that I can understand where you're feeling like from staff's perspective, we're not really moving anymore. And because we're we're not
um if I could just read the email that I sent to you because I think if council wants to to move in a different direction, I think we really do need direction on this. Um, so good afternoon, mayor and city council. I have discussed Savannah Park's request
with legal and staff. I cannot recommend the additional fence cost of $25,000 plus engineering costs based on the operational challenges, additional engineering costs plus plus possible extra implementation cost, ongoing maintenance, lifetime maintenance cost,
and the fact that we are already offering more than double the property value of 16,800. If the HOA wants a fence, they could use the extra $18,200 we are paying for them to put the fence themselves on their property. I am concerned about the public
perception of us paying so much more than the small property purchases is worth when we already own the majority of this property and have the legal right to build the trail. Operational challenges that would arise from the fence. Portions of the existing trail would require professional redesign to
accommodate the fence placement, resulting in additional engineering costs beyond the initial project scope, which could cause additional time, resulting in the the city losing the grant. The proposed fence location would necessitate regular maintenance edging
along the entire 800 ft perimeter on both sides, requiring city personnel to access HOA pond property for routine maintenance activities. So, if you could give us direction, that would help with the next steps. Yeah. So, I don't think anybody
said no on offense yet, right? Have we said no or are we saying it's complicated? I I'm not the staff person talking so I can't say I I would I would Do we have Who we did, Mr. Mayers? We did we did communicate with the HOA attorneys that
a fence in that area based on many of the things that staff staff that Veronica just read to you, staff was not willing to recommend that as part of the resolution. Okay. Can I make a comment, please? Yes, sir.
The only issue with us putting in a fence is that the right of way that the city owns ends at the top of the bank for the pond. We have no place to put events. We cannot take any money out of our own pockets and play pay for
events. It is not our property to put events. That's why we're asking the city to do it. We can't take some of the You guys couldn't take some of the money for the the piece that we're purchasing from you to We don't have a problem doing that. That's not and that's where I'm just I'm just I just want to open the
conversation up in there taking some of the money that the city's offering because I know we talked about that early on. You know, this isn't something that should be fully on the city because this is also for a small group of homeowners, but at the same time, you
know, you're you're talking about you're you're going to take up all the land that's there. you already own the right of way and then you're going to pick up the HOA property which comes up to a homeowner's property that has a easement
for the lift station to where we have no place to put a fence. You're saying there's no place to put a fence on your property if if you said yes. Okay. And that's now I'm getting now I'm getting all the information. Yes. if if with the right of way and the
HOA property being bought, the HOA does not have anywhere that we can sit there and put a fence. Okay. So, one, we're still talking about a fence. It's not dead in the water. You guys are willing to help pay for it. That's good. At least we we're there. Um, can we talk to
engineering or the Kevin, see if we can if it can fit on their property or if not on our property, whatever. So, what I would recommend listening to this conversation, and I love that you guys are willing to work with us, um I I would my big concern is the
grant. I don't want to lose the grant funding. If we can proceed and work with you using the extra um 18,000 and for the fence, because we also have to do engineering, whether it's on my property or your property,
there has to be engineering, design, and then the work that goes along with that. Um, and then I think we could we could probably find an amicable solution. But the the bigger issue is the timing of the grant. And my big concern was how do we pay almost double what it appraised
at and then also an extra 25,000 for the fence plus engineering costs plus whatever it was going to cost to to shore it up. Um, and and that's understandable, but but again, part of it also should fall onto the city because as I said earlier, you guys have been up here talking about safety, how
you guys want to be safe and secure and all that, and you are opening up this not only the neighborhood, but the pond, everybody who walks through where yes, we pulled two alligators out of that lake just this past week. Two of them.
And yes, we see alligators all the time. We live in Florida. How do you know if there's an alligator in in the water in Florida? Go down, touch the water. Is it wet? Yes, there you go. Alligator. Okay, we all know that. That doesn't mean that you don't have kids that are going to go, "Oh, look. Let me go skip a water.
Skip a rock in the water." You know, they do it at the wrong time. And we've had instances like that here in Florida where people have been at the wrong time, wrong place, and bad things have happened. And we don't want that. We want people to be safe, secure. If we put up some kind of barrier there, it
keeps people from going down there. And yes, there are added costs of maintenance, but I think the added cost to maintenance is minor compared to possibility of saving somebody from being either seriously hurt or killed. Okay. Have you not not even to mention
the possibility of We've just had people running around our neighborhood with mask on trying to check into cars that they found one of the mask on the backside by the pond. So there if you open up that whole space now that whole backside is very visible from Ruml as oh
there's a whole bunch of houses here. I I do understand your concerns and um I I it's the first time I've ever seen you or talk to you and you my phone number is public so you can call me too and Teresa does has no fear calling me. She's let us know. Teresa, hold on. I
can't just give me a second. No, just not yet. Please can you please sit down? Um, Council Member Urban, yeah, I just wanted to say, um, I've been paying close attention to the email correspondences going back and forth.
Everybody up here is, um, open to listening to residents, and I know we all answer our phone calls, our our direct phone numbers are public publicly posted on the website. So, we all want to work together to come up with a solution that works for this neighborhood. It's a beautiful
neighborhood, a lot of wonderful people. We want to work together to come up with a solution that works for everybody. We're not trying to just give lip service or or railroad anybody. We want to uh want to find a solution and I I know everybody up here uh is just is looking out for the interest of of the
residents here. Well, and I appreciate that. And again, like I said, the the impression, at least my impression that I can definitely say for a fact is my impression is that you guys are open to talk about offense, but there's a
contingent that we are directly dealing with that is not. So, it seems like two sides are not talking, which is the reason. Now, I understand a lot. This is why I'm here tonight is to bring this up because I I think it needs to be brought to your guys' attention because, you know, we do
feel like you haven't come out for one to even take the time to be out there to see what the situation is. Shows that you're interested in what's going on. So, we walked right through all those woods. Yeah. Which unfortunately, a lot of it's going to be gone if you put a trail up, but you know. Yeah. If you can
please get my card. We have Kelly. Do you have one of my cards? And give him my phone number, please. Please give me a call anytime you need. I appreciate that. Um uh let me hold on Teresa. We have a couple more people. Is everybody done talking on this that filled out a form?
Everybody's Rosemary. One minute. Mark, you did fill out a form. Teresa, you can speak after the form, folks. Yeah. Yes, sir. Mark, sir, can you come to the podium, please? Yep. So, was the ones that filled out the form, Teresa, I have to go through a
process here, please. Mark name and address for the record. My name is Mark Kentley. I live at 207 Memphis Place, St. Cloud in Savannah Park. I guess the one point that I that I personally feel is that we share I mean this is
a world we live in and it being homeowner property, we're concerned about our liability and we believe that the city shares that liability with us, right? Because I mean we we will be named
first. There's no question. But the city is bringing the ped the the pedestrian traffic in on top of that pond as you've seen with no protection. So the next person listed I
believe would be the city. It's just speculation but in one person's opinion. So I believe that the city has a vested interest in the fence just as we do. So, and and that's the one thing I wanted to point out. I mean, we you've
seen it. We both know that it's necessary, right? And how we get there. Everybody in the community is willing to do what we need to do, right, to get this deal done, right, and get the fence so that we're protected and you
are protected. Yeah, I know. I I just didn't know the conversation stopped. I thought I thought we were all still trying to get there with the fence. So, yeah. Thanks, Mark. Uh, next we have Rosemary. No root. They spoke. They spoke. All right. We have
um see that's definitely not that one. All right. Teresa. Uh, name and address for the record, please. Okay. Good evening, everyone. Uh, city mayor and all council members. I think you all know me very well. Terresa Derti to Monway in
Savannah Park. Um myself and my husband, we are one of the longest residents in Savannah Park. We have lived in the same home for 36 years going on 37. And we prided
ourselves that at the rear of our property, we knew we were never going to have any rear neighbors. what you were suggesting, what your city is supposeding to do is open up our
security, our sound barrier. Um, we are going to be wide open to the world behind us that we never had. most of the residents maybe in the last 10 years, but I have lived there 36 years and it
really I'm not opposed to the walk path, don't get me wrong, but the last city letter that came to our uh attorney stating that there was going to be no fence and it was going to be up to us is totally
disgusting. I'm disgusted with if you all agree with that. It is absolutely disgusting opening our little 74 homes. We have 74 homes in our small community and you are prepared to give
up 74 home security and the families in our neighborhood for a walk path. How many people are going to walk? I am not opposed to the walk path, don't get me wrong, but I'm totally disgusted with the conversation because the letter we
received from the staff was totally out of this and I sent you a copy of it, Chris. Um, it was totally wrong. And Dan, you've known me for years. And when I read that letter
from you to our attorney that there was going to be no fence, no barricade, and we're going to be wide open to Rummel Road, you all should be disgusted. And if you don't do something about a barricade, you know what? This city is
going to ruin because honestly it is. You're in my backyard. You are in my backyard and you all need to sit up and pay attention to the residents. And I am one of those residents that lived here,
has many businesses in this town. And you all know me for many, many, many, many years. I'm an old fart in this town right now compared to a lot of people. But I'm just being very blunt with you to sit up
and look at your residence. This is my backyard. This is the people that we in my backyard. And if you don't and I it is not our responsibility, Veronica, to put a fence up. You guys are taking our
backyard and opening it up. It is the city's responsibility to put that fence up. And I know I'm out of time, but I don't care. Okay. So, I am just telling you and Chris, you know me a long time. This is absolutely disgusting if you
don't take charge and put that fence up. Thanks, Teresa. I appreciate that. I think a lot of the anger is premature. Um because I I think we just went through and said we're willing to speak with the citizens and you have a council that's willing to work with you. And so, I think cooler heads will prevail on
this. So, thank you, Teresa. I appreciate you sharing your comments. Uh, do we have anyone else in the audience that like to speak on this item? Yes, sir. Name and address. I'm in that neighborhood, too. I live on 8 Ways, too. I'm sorry, Daryl. Derek. Hey. Um, I know that, but yeah, they need to know
that. I just want to know because they got that ditch runs right through there. I'm just giving another opinion. Why don't they just put a culvert because it's on the front side of the pond, I mean the uh road. If they fill that ditch in with a culvert, just go right over top of that culvert and put a
sidewalk there. That ditch belongs to the property owners across the street if I'm correct. Yeah. But uh county used to maintain that back in the day. They used to to take a um ditch. I only know that cuz Mark went out went out when I went out there and the guy across the street, he was like, "No, I own that ditch." So, yeah. But why ain't they maintaining it
then? Because if it does rain a lot, that water comes from Renee, fills that ditch back up and brings our pond up and our road floods and nobody get out of our neighborhood. So, they need something to fix the ditch then. Somebody should be maintaining the ditch also. Okay. But I just wonder why
couldn't they do that? I I think they're just going over the existing rightway for the road for Cypress Avenue. Instead of putting the road, they're putting the the sidewalk. This happened before I got on, so obviously we're But I I I like that there's going to be a trail. I do believe there needs to be some kind of a
barrier from the pond to the trail. I'm in favor of that, but we just we haven't gotten there yet. You know, I mean, homeless people will be up in there at night time and everything else. That is my concity coming in there and helping us out. So, and that's where I think we're still kind of in the negotiations between the citizens and the and fence.
And I really think we need something. Exactly. And I know Mark had a great idea because if a kid comes down his little bike, we'll go down that path, too. If a little kid comes down on his bike and decides to go fish in there, who's responsible if he falls in there and gets hurt or something at Savannah Park or is going to be responsible or is it a city going to be responsible for?
So, no, I totally understand. I can see kids going down there if they're on their bikes, they'll go down to the pond because it's quiet right now. That's why I built that house there. Nobody's behind me. It's quiet. There's a buffer there for the Rumble Road. I don't hear all the noise and all that. So, I enjoy it. So, if y'all could do it, I
appreciate it. Yes, sir. Thank you, city attorney. Yeah. And if I could just it might if it's a consensus of the city council that they'd like staff to go back and work on the issue of putting a barrier in them, then we can just certainly work on that. Yep. And that's simply what it is. And so that's the
consensus of it all. And we will, you know, disrespectfully to the neighbors, our role is to deal with their attorney. Yes. And not even the individual's attorney, the attorneys for the association. And that's who we deal with. So, um I the attorney for their
association has not communicated any of this stuff to us. Yes, sir. Yeah. If y'all can relay your your um Well, but we'll be happy to work with staff and come up with a different proposal. Yeah. Obviously, your your suggestions if you can relay that over
to your attorney as well and your HOA president, but um yes, Keith, sorry. Um just just so you know, it has been relayed to our attorney. Um, I don't know um when he was going to get it to you, but there has been information relayed to you by or our our attorney
does have information. So, I I don't know how often he talks to you. Um, do you need to talk to our attorney about it? Because you can always talk right to me about I can't. Why not? He's our attorney. He has to talk to the attorney. The rules of the Florida Bar
prohibit me from talking to you directly in private conversation since you have an attorney. Okay. So, everything has to go through the attorney. As long as you have an attorney. Yes. Okay. It's always the lawyers. Hey, I'm learning here. So, I don't
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just So, I like my license. Um, but yes, our attorney does have a information that he's supposed to be getting to you. Um, and I will definitely contact him and let him know that he needs to get that to you. I certainly will reach out to him tomorrow morning. Yes, sir. Thank you'all very much. Appreciate all of your concerns
and sharing that with us. So, thank y'all. Do we have anyone else want to speak on this item about the Savannah Park? All right. Next up, we have Robert Williams regarding the Jammers Music Building.
And name and address for the record, please. Robert Williams. I own 1000 Pennsylvania Avenue over here in a corner of Pennsylvania and 10th Jammer's Music Center. The reason I want to talk to you guys, it all started when you did your
renovations. I was all excited about it and it looks beautiful, but you really what you did around my building was terrible. First of all, I have a driveway. Where did you do this? Sorry, it was before me. I have a driveway that
I can't get in anymore because you put a parking spot there and you planted a tree in front of it, which I could get around the tree, but I can't get around a car. And people don't care. If I pull in my driveway, someone will pull in and they'll block me in. And they're
probably sitting in the Legion drinking all day. I can't use my driveway. My tenant makes custom window treatments. They need that driveway to load product going in and out of 102 Pennsylvania
Avenue. You know where we're loading? We're loading in the middle of the street because all there's nowhere to park and I have a driveway. That's crazy. I I want to get my driveway back if it's possible. Yes, sir. Have you spoken with city staff? Oh, I've talked to you guys for two years now. No, city
staff. Well, I'm the first person I've heard about this and that's why really they keep sending me from person to person to person. The officer here knows I've been down talking to him several times. Okay. Okay. So, just a question. I'm just asking you've gone down that path first because I'm I've you know
I've only been here for about six months now and I've never heard of this and and my phone is available if Kelly if you got another card please. Uh Kelly's got my business card with my phone number. So when you say you guys you guys you guys I want to know you personally then
and I don't think you have though have you? No but I want to make sure I've talked to all your staff. I would think somebody would say something to you know I direct came over and met with me. People from engineering came over and
met with me and he said oh yeah we'll we'll get back with you. We'll get back. Nobody ever gets back with me. It just goes from one person to the other to the other. Okay, that's my first issue. My second issue, well, there's two issues. You want a parking spot? I want my driveway back. You want your driveway
back? Okay. There's a trade. So, what I want you to do, there used to be a no parking sign there. Do not block the driveway. And when you guys came in and did the renovation, I told them, I said, "You're you're putting a parking spot in front of my driveway." They said, "Don't worry, we'll take care of it." Well,
they never did. Oh, I understand. Okay. Is it 10th Street or Pennsylvania? Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania. because you're on both, right? Yes. Thank you. I just want a clarification on that. City manager, do you have any comments on that? Have you heard anything about that? A while ago when we first did the when
we first did the project. Yeah. Um looking at the at the aerial I see what he's saying. You know, if the council wanted us to eliminate a parking space, um you know, that would be that would be the solution. If the council wants to
eliminate a parking space, my my uh tenant that's in 10002, I have Jammer's Music Center and 1000 in the front of my building. 10002 I have an interior decorating shop that makes custom window treatments and they're ready to move out
because they told me there's nowhere to park. Unless you get there at 5:00 in the morning and get that spot right in front of my building, the spots are gone. Yes, sir. I think you've made your case on this. I made my point on that. Okay. So, now I'll get to my second point. My second point is public safety.
Hold on. Let's Do you need consensus from us? Are you good? I do need consensus. I don't have consensus. What is so to explore it? I mean, well, I mean the I can tell you because I don't know the
site. I don't it would it would it would require eliminating a parking space. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, I know that like this is out of the norm. I h you're down there a lot. seen you uh you know shaking your head and whatnot. I mean is it something that you think for the downtown it would better itself? I mean you're out there on on foot all the time
and and help him his situation. I think it would you need to come to Good evening Corporal Fuer. I believe this would uh definitely help out the business owner and not affect the other
citizens and community. Yeah. Okay. By eliminating one parking space. Y and even if you made half of it maybe a motorcycle park and block off my driveway so we can get in and out of the drive. So the whole driveway is blocked
off there. Is that your It is. It is. Looking at the I got a third. Robert, I've never heard of that and that's why I Well, I apologize. When you say you, I'm like, did we have this conversation? Not with you personally, but I've I've talked to so many people about this and I just keep getting pushed to one person
after another. Okay. My next main issue, and this is One second. I think on that item, Council Member Urban has something to say. I just wanted to say I I've never had the opportunity to speak with you either, but u wanted to reemphasize all of our direct phone numbers are on the website, so please reach out to us
anytime. happy to help. And yeah, I learned to to play drums at at your place when I was a kid. So, I met with engineering. They came and met with me about two weeks ago and I said, "I'm going to hear back from you guys, ain't I?" And they said, "Oh, yeah. We'll call you back." Not a word. Didn't hear from
nobody. Yeah. I know all of us are very approachable up here. Okay. So, just pick up the phone. So, I'll come over and sit and talk with you one day personally if you want. Absolutely. Yep. Yep. You can schedule if you you call city hall, you schedule an appointment. I'll do that. If I can get my driveway back, that would be fantastic. Yes, sir.
It'll save my tenant. And I carry a lot of lumber in and out of my building. So, I'm parking like 50 75 ft away lugging all my lumber into my building. I got consensus. Okay. All right. The next issue is the most
important issue. When you did the street on 10th Street, I used to have a 10-ft sidewalk. You cut me down to a fivefoot sidewalk. You have cars parking right on
Oh, sir, we need the microphone to hear you. That it's got to get into the record. I'm sorry. You have cars parked right on top of my building. When they parallel park on 10th Street, they're parking here and my building is right here. When they open their passenger
doors, there's like a foot to my building. And you got Yeah, you need to stay behind the mic. Just trying to show I know you're dead. I can't believe you can't hear me. It's such a small room. Yeah, it's the microphone. It's got to be for the record. Yes, sir. But anyhow,
um my biggest issue is when you put you put the parking there, I have five feet to my building and then you came in with the light poles, which are beautiful. I love them. But that cut me down to a
threefoot sidewalk because I have two light poles. I have two oak trees five feet from my building. Stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. Okay. And when all the leaves and everything fall, it's a freaking mess, man. I blow all
your leaves out into the street. That's what I do. I'm not going to pick them up every day. Okay. So, you're saying that the the parking spot's too close to the sidewalk and Okay. Close to the building, right on top of my building. If I ask city manager if we can all get the information on that just so we can look at it ourselves. But the biggest
issue, I haven't even got to it yet. It's Oh, I thought that was the biggest. No, no, no. I have a I have a lot of people coming in out of my building taking music lessons. Yes, sir. And what I want to know is what am I going to do when somebody walks out of my door and
gets run over by an electric bike flying down the sidewalk in that little three-foot section that you gave me? What am I going to do when that happens? Well, I I do not believe they should be riding bikes on that sidewalk. And I believe that's a police department issue
that And I went down to see St. Cloud Police Department and they told me, "Oh, you're you're allowed to ride electric bikes on the sidewalk." That's what they told me. Your officers told me down at uh Well, we'd be more than happy to get you the
information. Um the police department's information. They can talk to you about that. How are we going to correct it? U I believe that C corporal Fujer will look into that. You know, I'm really worried if somebody walks out of my building right at the right time. I understand. Yes, sir. They're going to
get mowed over and that's why we're going to look into it. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you very much, Robert. And you're blowing me off, ain't you? Well, no, you seems like you got about 10 minutes and everybody gets three. I will I will tell you. Thank you very much. We're going to look at Well, Robert, we said we're
going to look into everything. I've been asking for two years. I've never met you, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. All right. Next up, we have Don Gray. Hi, my name's uh Don Gray, the 409 Florida Avenue. Um, I want to address
the uh gay pride thing that you're doing out at that ranch. I am so thankful to hear um Councilman Gilbert talk about being concerned about our taxpayers dollars. I don't want my taxpayer dollars go to support what has
been considered a perverted lifestyle for many years in our country. Now, the one thing that really bothers me more than anything is a petting zoo for children. A lot of people want to know why these
uh what do they call them? the uh people that dress like women. Yeah. Um what their purpose for doing that is I don't know if anybody here has heard this, but in San Francisco there's a gay
men's choir and in June of 1970 or two uh 2017 they wrote this song. But whoever causes one uh let me see you say we all lead lives you don't respect but just fright just frightened you think we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda
goes unchecked funny just once you are correct we'll convert your children happens bit by bit quietly and subly and you'll even barely notice it just like you're worried they'll change their group of friends you won't approve where
they go at night and you'll be disgusted when you start learning the things that they're learning online and from their site. We'll convert your children. Yes, we will. Reaching one and all. There's really no escaping it because even grandma likes
RuPaul. The world is getting kinder. Gen Z's gayer than Grinder. We're coming for them. We're coming for your children. The gay agenda is coming home. The gay agenda is here. Now, you talk about small time or small
town uh living. I don't understand why you want to promote and we were told by a county councilman that the city council of St. Cloud is promoting this this perverted event. I don't want my taxpayers doing that. My taxpayer money
have anything to do with that. And I can tell you that the majority of Christians in this community don't want this either. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, Don. Your lights on. Deputy mayor.
Oh, sorry. That was from And we have Stephen Barker. Barber. And can we get your name and address for the record, please? Steven Barber, 920 Indiana Avenue. Uh, very quickly, this is not a personal axe
to grind. This is coming from a standpoint of uh responsibility and standards of righteousness. I want to address the three-fold hypocrisy and irresponsibility of the city of St. Cloud. First of all, fiscally, the Ted
Broa Memorial Park put in they you put in a new skateboard park at a cost of $1,68,000. Meanwhile, there's a citywide deterioration and dilapidation of our sidewalks and roads all over this town. And I know this because unlike a lot of
people, I have to go slower because I ride a bicycle for my transportation. That brings up the second thing morally. You have the sandill crane adopted as the official city bird of St. Cloud as of 2018. The city of St. Cloud ensures protection of this threatened species
while failing to protect its human residents like me who have been hit twice on my bicycle by these lawless drivers who habitually run stop signs among other things. Something needs to be done about this. It's an epidemic. But thirdly, and most importantly,
following Mr. Gray, the spiritual irresponsib uh St. Cloud Missionary Baptist Church entered a parade a float in the St. Crowd Cloud Christmas parade. It depicted the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Afterward, we were told by the city, you can't have
that kind of a float in a Christmas parade when that's what it's about. And yet the same city, this city supports and promotes the public display of abominable satanic perversion and depravity with this proud in the cloud
event. Compliments of the saint cloud pride alliance. And I want to read this to you. Proverbs 8:13. I was just reading today. The fear of the Lord is the hate evil, pride, arrogancy, and the evil way. And the froward mouth do I hate. That's what Almighty God, the Lord
Jesus Christ says. And I say this from the authority of this holy book, my King James Bible. So what I want to say to you folks, and I don't have a, like I said, a personal axe to grind. I have nothing against any of you personally, but what's being done with this display, these drag queens, they have an agenda.
And I would ask you to you look at what's going on in America. Uh they just busted this group, the 764, who are predatory pedophiles. That's what this drag queen stuff, I don't care what they say on their website. They have this forward mouth talking out both sides of
their mouth. They say it's familyfriendly, but yet anybody that thinks men with men and women with women with women is normal and family friendly, they their their judgment is skewed to say the least. And honestly, they have no right to be doing what
they're doing. And so what the city of St. cloud instead of in essence what you're saying is we hate Jesus and we love Satan by supporting this. What you ought to be doing is telling this group you're not welcome here. Get out and don't come back. Thank you. All right.
Thank you, sir. City manager. I just wanted to clarify that the city of St. Cloud does not um determine who can and cannot be in the Christmas parade. That's done by the St. Cloud Chamber. Thank you. It's been an interesting meeting. Mayor All right. Are there anyone else in the
audience? I'm sorry. Anyone else in the audience would like to speak uh during the citizens forum? Yes, sir. Scott, you're on you're talking about the a different during an item number, right? Not during citizens form,
though. your your your discussion's on the voting ordinance, right? Well, I was on the agenda you have online doesn't match the agenda that's here. So, no, you're going to discuss about the voting ordinance, right? I've got your your your paper.
Okay. Yeah, this is this is anything that's not on the agenda. So, you're I've got yours up here for that when we get to that point. So, now we'll go ahead and conclude the citizens forum, but you can come up and talk when we talk about this item. Okay. If that's good. Yes, sir. Sorry, Dan writes the rules around here.
Well, he'll yell at me. He'll tell me, "Hey, they can't talk about." I don't write them. All right. Our next section will be public hearings. Madame Clerk, please read item number one into the record. Public hearing for resolution number
2025-057R. A resolution of the city council of city of St. Cloud Florida many resolution number 2024-120R which adopted the fiscal year 20 2024 2025 budget for the city of St. Cloud finding the city manager has certified their prior year fund balances and or current revenues available for
the budget for additional projects and programs and various funds not included in the original budget requiring the budget to be increased to include set additional funding for the various funds and making supplemental appropriations within the fund. Jeff Cooper, finance director. As
indicated, this is budget amendment number four to our current year fiscal year 2024 2025 budget. The city manager has certified funds are available to appropriate for these projects. And the summary of the budget
amendment items is as follows. a total of $20,850 in revenue from state grants for police for the FDLE online sting operations uh and grant program and expenditures for related computer equipment for
$20,850. This is general fund. A total of 50,000 in revenue from state grants police for another FDLE uh safe grant and expenditures for overtime contractual services and investigations. And that's also the general
fund. A total of $25,999 in revenue from federal grants, uh, public safety for a justice assistance grant and expenditures for patrol bikes for 25,999. That is also the general fund. a
total of 49,791 in general fund contingency for salary and benefits for an executive administrative assistant for uh city council members and also the necessary office renovations and supplies. That is
the general fund as well. a total of 122,046 in revenue from prior year fund balance and expenditures for the same amount for the purchase of two police department drone pods. Um this is coming
from the 1% search charge fund. a total of 1,556,845 in additional funds to complete project PS2104 that is the fire station 32 rebuild uh,56845 is coming from the 1%
searchcharge contingency and $500,000 is coming from additional fire impact fee projected revenue. Uh we've we're collecting at a pace in our impact fees uh well above our original
estimates. A total of 291,975 in revenue from prior year fund balance and expenditures for operating supplies for trash and recycle carts uh for the potential newly annexed areas. This is coming from the sanitation
impact fee fund. Um that way we're prepared uh for um those areas. a total of 1,113,394 in revenue from prior year fund balance and expenditures for CRA projects PW242 downtown mixeduse
development uh for 456,438 CR 2401 CR CRA alleyway improvements of 155,376 and CR 2402 Centennial Park
renovations for 501,580. This is the community redevelopment agency fund and this was previously approved by the CRA board. Uh staff recommendation is approval of resolution 202507R and city council requested
action is also approval and I'm here if you have any questions. Yes sir. Thank you very much. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? And can I get a motion from council? Motion to approve. Motion from
Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second. Council member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. I. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 5-0. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jeff. Madame Clerk, please read
item number two into the record. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-04. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, to annex into the city of St. cloud approximately plus - 1,378 acres identified as Edgewater West located east of Cherokee Road north of CM Park
Road south of Clay Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171044 Florida statutes. I'm going to call in the city attorney real quick on this. Well, I just want to make sure we read item C from the consent agenda and the other two items. And then council, when when you vote on these
items, you'll need to vote on the item the consent agenda item first, which is the annexation agreement. Public hearing and transmitt for ordinance number 2025-05. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, assigning a future land use designation of plus sorry mixed use for
approximately plus minus 1,378 acres identified as Edgewater West loca located east of Cherokee Road northwest of CM Park Road south of Clay Road providing for amending of the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations. Proof of publication
applicability effect severability copies on file and effective date. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-06. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically changing the zoning
designation of plus - 1,378 acres identified as Edgewater West from MXD mixeduse county zoning designation to mix mixeduse city zoning designation with a mixeduse future land use designation located east of Cherokee Road northwest of CMI Park Road south of
Clay Road providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map filing of the planning recommendations proof of publication severability and effective date. Resolution number 2025-061R. A resolution of the city count city council of the city of St.
Cloud, Florida, approving an annexation agreement between the city of St. Cloud EW Property Holdings LLC and W1 Property Holdings LLC for de development known as Edgewater West for approximately plus minus 1,378.5 acres generally located north of
CMI Park Road east of Cherokee Road and west of the Florida Turnpike described in the body of this resolution authoring authorizing the major mayor to execute the agreement and providing an effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director of community development. The cases before you tonight are for the
annexation comp plan amendment and zoning map amendment for the project known as Edgewater West. This request meets both the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with OciOla County at as it is contiguous and
reasonably compact. The existing future land use is commercial with the mixeduse county zoning. Oh, that's incorrect. I'm sorry. The existing future land use is mixed use with a mixeduse county zoning
designation. The uh proposed future land use is mixed use with a mixeduse zoning as well. The request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city
facilities. Okay. Here's a graphic representation of the subject property shown in green there. Um the pink color is the county's jurisdiction and the yellow color is the city limits. And you can see that this
property abuts the city limits along the western property boundary. Here's a graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the surrounding current city and county land land use designations.
Here's a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the surrounding current county and city zoning classifications for context. Okay. Honor before March 25th, 2025, staff recommended approval.
Planning commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve ordinance number 2025-04 and 2025-06. The request for ordinance number
2025-05 is to um approve it to be transmitted to the Florida Department of Commerce for inter agency review. And at this time, staff is available for any questions and the applicant is also present. All right. Thank you, Melissa. And Miss Mayor, could I just supplement
real quick? So item C is an annexation agreement, which as you know, this project has been going has been had some preliminary work done in the county. They've been through a certain amount of approvals. That annexation agreement allows for the project to come in and
for uh the approvals that they get into the county to basically travel with the project when it comes into the city and and and uh uh they would be applicable as entitlements for the project. I I was looking down I was reading something else. Did we read item C into the Yes,
we did. Okay. Just thanks. Was that the question you had asked Dan as well? Yeah. I was reading in at your seats is a is a basically a a slip page for section three to that agreement which is resolution to is being approved by
resolution 2025-061. There's some minor changes that were included in there. So when you consider that item, we'd ask that you approve it with the changes that are on the one page in front of you. And essentially these are related to uh the the approvals in the county that will
carry over into the city. And I think I don't know if Melissa mentioned it, but essentially what you're because this the the comprehensive plan portion is a transmitt, you're approving the zoning and it's basically conditioned upon the uh the at the
transmitt of the CPA and the final approval of that at a later date. Did you say that, Melissa? Okay. Um Melissa, real quick, I have a question. Um We we spoke earlier today about the any commercial changes and
all. Is that included in this? It is not included in there. Um but the applicant is here um and available for questions. Um we did speak um earlier with with the city attorney. We talked about how we could possibly um allow staff to
administratively approve any changes to consider um commercial in that development as um a condition of the zoning uh map amendment. So we are prepared to do that. Okay. Council member Urban, did you have a question on Melissa real quick? That was going to be
my question. I was concerned with the the lack of commercial within this and I had a conversation with Melissa and our city manager and they had mentioned if we allow it to have administrative staff approval they could add more commercial without having to come back to the city council. So I was going to recommend
adding that to the this agreement and that's what they're going to be asking for as well to add it to this tonight. Um the applicants are here so yes if if they are amendable to that condition staff does recommend that we add that condition. Would the applicant like to speak on this item?
Hi, Kevin Kramer with BTI Partners, 4798 New Broad Street, Orlando 32814. Can you say that condition again? I was walking up. I want to make sure I heard it clearly. Oh, so one last Well, the discussion we had earlier, at least that I did, uh,
and it sounds like you've had a similar one. Um, you you were agreeable to change some of the the residential into commercial, but you didn't want to go through the whole process. you except for just through staff and through the city manager approval. Is that correct?
Did I read that? Yeah, that the concept plan um could could be revised and approved by staff instead of the city council. Yeah, that's terrific. Um Okay. Yeah, as you know, these uh the concept plan and the PS's were approved in the county. And uh the funny thing is the
original concept plan we had had some commercial in there and and it was removed. The county removed it because they had concerns it didn't comply with the comp plan. So they had it removed out of there. I mean it it was fine. It it wasn't worth a comp plan amendment to
do that. So we just went with the recommendation. The the plan got approved. It's now being brought in with that in there. Um so yeah, we will we are talking to some commercial people. They've approached us that they've had some interest in going in there. So, you
know, with a condition that that can be done at staff level, you know, we can open those conversations back up with those with those folks. Yes, sir. Uh, how many homes is this entitled for this problem? Uh, I I don't know right off the top of my head, but I'm going to say it. It's three. Go ahead. 3,600.
I was going to guess. You would not hurt my feelings if you did less homes and more commercial. Okay. I'd encourage commercial. Like I really We need employment centers. Sure. That's the many jobs around here and if we don't have the land and we don't set aside the land for that um they'll never come
here. So, understood. Okay. Everybody be working out of their homes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. You're good. All right. Can we get a motion? I'm sorry. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Uh item 2, three,
four, and I think that was Yeah. D C uh my name is Dennis Bez. I own the property 2900 carriage court which would be right edge with what the proposal is.
Um I just want to know how is that going to affect if you guys are next to the city. How's that going to affect us there? Because we right now are under county rules. I'm sorry. Affect you in what capacity? So if if this property gets an exit to
the city, I'm on the right on the edge of it, right? I'm the last property with them. So how's it going to affect us there? Okay. I don't have a map in front of me and that's where I'm sorry. I I know where Carriage Court is. Yeah. I'm the very last property on the right hand
side. Yeah. Down Clay Whe's wagon and Yes, ma'am. Yeah. I'm the very last dirt road and city manager. Can I get the address? And I got 2900. Yep. Carriage court. Uh I'm just trying to determine if if he's
going to be in an enclave or if if he's just adjacent and will stay, you know, he would just stay. So that's what you're asking would be annexed in or not. Correct. So essentially what the city manager is point if if he's not part of if this property is not part of an enclave, then it would essentially be
a voluntary annexation by him whenever he wanted to and the city wouldn't be able to do it. If he is however in an enclave pursuant to the agreement that the city has with the county, he could be annexed in at a future date. Yeah. If everyone wants to go commercial there, you know, more than welcome to do that as well. No, because the thing is uh I
own a construction company. Yes, sir. We keep interested equipment in that property, which as it's allowed as of today. If the city takes over, is that those rules are going to change? Am I going to be affected on my property having my equipment there? Because now we have a different set of rules.
I totally understand that. Yep. And um I think the the staff can give you in writing what the change would be or what the that your rights would transfer over in some way, right? You can't Well, he's not there compatible use, right? He's not being annexed. So, his rights will not change tonight at all because he's
not being annexed. and that's why I'm here for. Um I uh I see where he's at, but unfortunately the map in the uh staff report does not show the the current city limit. So I can't tell if he's in an enclave or not. I'm not familiar enough with the area. But regardless, his his this application
this evening is not um going to annex you. So your your rights will continue in OciOla County as you currently are. Okay. Yeah. And and if that changed, you you know there'd be discussion about that and you'd be notified or you know how that do y'all have do they have city and water water and sewer down there
now? No, we don't. You're all well. Well, okay. Okay. That's all I got. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. Yep. Yep. Stay involved and uh say stay up to speed as things go on. I mean, this may take some time down the road until we talk about your
property. So, thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. Anyone else in the in the audience like to speak on this item? All right. With that, can we get a motion for item two, three, four, and C? Well, can we do C first with the
amendments as we presented to you and then we can go through two, three, and four. Motion to approve item C with the amendments including the U administrative approval for any commercial additions. All right, we have a motion from Council Member Urban. Well, that's fine. Is that we we want to
we want to put that in the zoning piece when we get to that. So, but we'll we'll take it here, too. As long as we get in the zoning piece. We have a motion on the table. Second. Second. Council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. Council member Paul. I.
Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Nay. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 41. Madame clerk, please read the next item into the record. Well, she was already read, so we just need a motion. We're on
item two on public hearings. Now, we do them individual. Yes, we have to do them individual. And can we get a motion for uh item number two, which is the annexation. Motion to approve. We have a motion from
council member Urban. Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Urban, I. Council member Gilbert, nay. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, hi. Council member Paul, I. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 41.
And this is Can we get a motion for item number three? Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Council member Urban. Second. Second from council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. Council member Gilbert, may I. Deputy
Mayor Fletcher, hi. Council member Paul, I. Council member Urban, hi. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 41. And can I get a motion for item number four? Motion to approve with the amendment to allow administrative
approval of any commercial additions to the plan. All right, we have the motion with the amendments from Council Member Urban. Second. Second from council member Paul. Madame clerk, please call the role. Deputy mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council
member Paul. I. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Nay. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries for one. And madame clerk, please read the next item. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-07. An ordinance of the city
council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, signing a future landing designation of medium density residential to approximately plus - 1.15 acres identifies McKay Street located east of Brown Chapel Road north of 10th Street south of Fifth Street and west of McKay Street providing the many official official future land use map of the
comprehensive plan following the planning recommendations proof of publication applicability effects servability copies on file and effective date. Okay. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-08. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, providing a zoning amendment of
the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 1.5 acres identified as McKay Street from NB neighborhood business zoning designation to R3 multif family dwelling zoning designation with a medium density
residential future land use designation located east of Brown Chapel Road north of 10th Street south south of Fifth Street and west of McKay Street providing for entering the designation official zoning map following the planning recommendations proof of publication servability and effective date. Good evening. Melissa Duncan, director
of community development. These cases before you tonight are for the comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment for the project known as McKay Street. The existing future land use is commercial with the neighborhood business zoning classification. The
request is for a medium density residential land use um which will allow between four and 10 dwelling units per acre and an R3 zoning uh for multif family dwelling and
um through our analysis staff found that this request is incompatible with the adjacent commercial developments but will have no adverse impacts on city city facilities. Um, this subject parcel
was voluntarily annexed into the city through the small enclaves interlocal agreement with Oyola County through resolution number 2014-196R. And in that resolution, it um indicated
that the county uh land use was low density residential when it was annexed. However, the county zoning was commercial restricted and that was um approved on December 11th of
2014. Here is a graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the current future land use designation of commercial. Here's a graphic representation of the zoning map depicting the current neighborhood
business zoning classification. For context, on our before March 25th, 2025 staff recommended denial of the comprehensive plan amendment based on um findings number 1 2 4 5 6 7 12 15 and 16
of the land development code. And I will read those into the record. Number one, the proposed changes contrary to the established land use pattern. Number two, the proposed change would create an isolated district unrelated to the adjacent and
nearby districts. Number four, existing district boundaries are illogically drawn in relation to existing conditions on the property proposed for change. Number five, the proposed change would be contrary to the
land use plan and would have an adverse effect on the comprehensive plan. Number six, change your changing conditions make the passage of the proposed amendment necessary. Number seven, the proposed change will adversely influence living
conditions in the neighborhood. 12. The proposed change will be a deterrent to the improvement or development of adjacent pro sorry of adjacent property in accordance with existing regulations. 15. Whether the change suggested is out of scale with the needs of the
neighborhood or the city. 16. It is impossible to find other adequate sites in the city for the proposed use in districts already zoned for such use. And that was the recommendation for the denial of the
comprehensive plan amendment. We also recommended denial of the zoning map amendment based on findings 1 2 4 6 7 11 12 15 and 16 of the land development code. Um I will not read those into the
record unless the city attorney requires me to um to save you guys from having to hear them again. So, um, when this item went to planning commission on, um, April 15th, 2025,
planning commission also recommended denial based on the same findings as presented by staff. Likewise, it is requested that council deny ordinance number 2025-07 and 2025-08.
um based on the findings as stated by staff and the applicant is present. I saw him earlier. Um I see him. Okay. And staff is available for questions. Yeah. Applicant, would you like to speak on this? Not easy to follow that.
All right. Good evening. Jeremy Kibler, KDA Engineering, 2017, 13th Street, St. Cloud, Florida 34769. So, um, probably won't get to everything, but I'm we'll follow up with any questions. Let me start by just
noting that it is correctly stated, uh, the property in this case, it was was not executed by the property owner at the time. So, it was involuntarily annexed, uh, per the in local agreement in 2014. It is a correct statement that the
property at the time had a county future land use designation of f of low density residential. The zoning district was in conflict with that. There was not a structure constructed on the property when the property was annexed in. It
should have been given a medium a city medium density residential um future land use designation. And that's because of the difference of the density uh dwelling units density given between the city and the county. So basically that's that was in conflict at the time should
not ever have really been given a commercial future land use or a neighborhood business zoning designation. I will also note currently with the with the current city's future land use designation of commercial and
the zoning district designation of neighborhood business the property is in violation of the city's comprehensive plan policy 2.1.5 that states neighborhood commercial areas in uses that generate
high traffic loads must must be located adjacent to collector or arterial very old roadways. It McKay Street is neither one of those. I can say that for certain. Uh would be classified or designated as a minor street or local
street. Um just to give you some reference, the property, the closest southeast corner of the property, 210th Street, 530 ft, almost two football fields.
the same same corner, southeast corner, 890 ft away from US 192. Those are those are your closest potential 192 definitely arterial collector roadway 10th street
potentially closest to the northeast corner 970 ft to fifth street. Those are your closest interconnecting roadways. So this is extremely distant from anything that would be considered a collector or arterial roadway. Just want
to put that on the record. Additionally, in support of the request, I would state city of St. Cloud comprehensive plan policy H1.1.8. The city shall encourage infill residential development where public
services and infrastructure currently exist. This is your prototypical infill residential development. Public services and infrastructure do currently exist aren't in place. Now, moving
on, I would state that the you know the subject parcel should never have been designated as commercial. Um if if there's not a structure on the property and you have a conflicting zoning district, that should have been corrected at that time and it wasn't corrected. it was actually gone the
other way and put in direct violation with the comprehensive plan at at the time. What we would ask is that consider the request consider that the request does bring uh uniformity to the existing
future land use designations of the surrounding properties that are in place. And I just want to put this back up for the council to look at. So if you look it would bring uniformity to what's there. Um all of the yellow is medium density
residential and we're simply asking that that particular parcel be converted to medium density residential. I won't go one by one, but I will say this respectfully respectfully. The staff's responses to the 16 findings are riddled with
contradictions. I'll give you one example. So, if I go and I got a lot of documents here, hang on a second. So if I go to the response provided for number
12, staff indicates this proposed change will hinder the development of adjacent properties to the north. We we presented to staff as part of the application that the re part of the
reason for this request is that we're actually we already under the same ownership contiguous to this property. We would combine this property to that property which is literally to the north. So it doesn't hinder the development actually facilitates the development of that property. That's
just one example. I'm happy to go through any others that council may want to look at or consider, but we respectfully request that you consider the current comprehensive plan, um the characteristic of the neighborhood, the consistency of the surrounding future lanes and zoning
district designations, and respectfully request uh your approval here tonight. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Kibler. Thank you. Uh, I'm familiar with the site. Um, that that in the history of that in
in 1990, um, the Birchfield Chevrolet dealership used to be, uh, where that collision center is. And when they sold that off, this 1.15 acres continued to stay in the
Birchfield family. And that's why it was, Melissa, you said that the zoning was commercial in the county, correct? Yes, sir. It was commercial in the county. Yeah. And and so that's why it was commercial because it was part of the um Highway 192 and Tentth Street,
not because of its location on McKay. Um I'm very familiar with it. Dan, you know, I was a prior owner of that in 2014 when it was annexed in and I 100% disagreed with that zoning back then. Um and I hadn't wanted to go towards uh the
what they're looking for now. So that's I am familiar with that area. Sure. Um so I I can confirm that Mr. Kibler is correct when he says that um in the county when it was zoned I'm sorry with with the land use of lowdensity
residential with it having a conflicting um zoning. Typically the zoning follows the land use but our table of classified lands in our land development code is based on zoning not on land use. So had they developed in the county, they would
have been required to bring the um zoning in compliance with the land use, not the opposite. Um but regarding his comments of it being in conflict with our comp plan, I disagree because it's not um the comp plan is not looked at on
a parcel by parcel level. It's looked at as the area as a whole. So, if you aggregate it with the parcels to the south, um it it is um it is off of a uh I think it said it had to be off of a collector or arterial
roadway. Um so, um whatever council's will is, we are we are happy to oblige. Yeah, I understand. I I'm definitely in favor of keeping as much commercial in our city as possible, but when it comes to this one, the marketability of that as a commercial
site, uh because I remember when he was given that neighborhood business designation, that really is the bottom of the barrel, it's a junky zoning. I mean, it really it really doesn't offer much. It's very restricted. No offense to the zoning, I guess.
Whoever I'll speak on their behalf. Whoever came and that's just my views. I look at, you know, the surrounding areas where it's already medium density and I know a number of them are already they do have the zoning of R3 and your client, Mr. Kibler, he's got
multiple parcels there if I'm not mistaken, right? Um, four, three, four parcels, right? And I can tell you in the future, I would love to see high density in that area. You know, from the mobile home park over to the shopping centers because that's where I believe
high density belongs, not on the outskirts of town where there's not retail. I think we need to have it closer to the bus stops and the retail and and the post office and all of that. So, that's where why I, you know, I'm obviously in favor of of an R3 zoning and possibly in the future an R4 if
collectively, you know, th those properties were were put together. So that's just my comments on that. Council, do you have any comments on on this item? All right. And do we have any comments from the the anyone in the
audience like to comment on this item? All right. Can we get a motion? No motion. Uh go ahead and make a motion to approve this item. And can we get a second? Um, you know, I I um spoke to the uh
applicant earlier today and and and I I was I'm always hesitant to change a a commercial zoning to residential, but learning a little bit more about the history uh tonight and and in this area, I I'll I'll go ahead and second that. All right. We have a motion from Council
Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Paul, I. Council member Urban, hi. Council member Gilbert, nay. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, nay. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 32.
And can we have a motion for item number six? I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve item number six. Can we get a second? Second. We have a second from council member Urban. Madame clerk, please call
the role. Council member Urban, I. Council member Gilbert, nay. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, nay. Council member Paul, I. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 32. Thank you. And madame clerk, please read the next
item. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-14. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. South Florida signing a future land use designation of MDR medium density residential to approximately plus - 17.18 acres identified as East Park put located north of East 10th Street south of Lake
Runny me providing for amending of the future future land use map planning map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file and effective date final public hearing for ordinance summer number 2025-15 an ordinance of the city council of the
city of St. South Florida signing a zoning district of PUD plan unit development approx for approximately plus - 17.18 acres identified as East Park HUD located north of East 10th Street south of Lake Renee providing for entering the designation official zoning map providing of the approval of the
preliminary master plan following the planning recommendations proof of publication servability effective date. Good evening Melissa Duncan, director of community development. These cases before you tonight are for the comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment for the PUB and
preliminary master plan for the project known as East Side Park PUB. The existing county future land use is lowdensity residential with an agricultural county zoning. The requested uh city land use is medium
density residential. and the requested zoning designation is PUD or planned unit development. The applicant is proposing 94 duplex style single family dwelling units and this request is compatible with the surrounding area and
will have no adverse impacts on city facilities. Here's a graphic representation of the future land use map. And this one is for the zoning map. Here's a graphic representation of the
location and layout of the um preliminary master plan. Um there will be a presentation later by the applicant that will dive more into the details of this development. So I'm not going to um spend too much time on that. Um but for
the record, the enhancements that the applicant is offering in order to get a planned unit development uh approved um are the following. They are proposing to save
all of the wetlands without any impact. They are going to utilize Florida friendly landscaping and enhanced buffers with mature vegetation at planning. Uh the homes in the community are placed an average of 299.7 feet from the high water line of
Lake Runny. Um the density is below the maximum allowed for the medium density land use. Uh they will have an enhanced entrance landscaped including a split
rail fence along 10th Street. they are going to provide a non-monot non monotony clause within the uh ordinance. Um and that basically just means that they will have uh elevations that alternate so that you don't have
two of the same house next to each other or across the street from each other. Um they are going to um have looped connected internal drive aisles for ease of emergency access. They are um providing pedestrian and bicycle
friendly amenities throughout the site to provide residents with convenient access to local um downtown businesses. They are um proposing to connect and pay the cost for the um sidewalk um in front
of the FDOT pond property. and they are also um exceeding the minimum open space requirements. They are providing enhanced architectural standards and
they will be wrapping the architectural style of the front of the home around all four sides of their products and that includes the first and second floors. Um they are proposing to have
rear loaded um garage homes with uh private roads um with no um garages fronting 10th Street. They will exceed the minimum parking standards and they will provide uh the additional enhanced
amenities that include a quarter mile walking trail uh with 15 benches, pocket parks, a dog park, exercise station, most importantly a pickle ball court and connected sidewalks to the
nearby trail systems. That was a joke about the pickle ball. Um, oops. So, staff recommended approval. Um, I just want to talk about the conditions a little bit. We are recommending approval with conditions.
So, at the time that this project went to planning commission, only the first two conditions of approval were included in the staff report. And then after more negotiations with the applicant, we added the um second two. So I'll read
them into the record because staff is recommending approval with these conditions that the final master plan show connected looped drive aisles. Uh the applicant shall work with the city and FDOT for the extension of the sidewalk along East 10th Street between
the FDOT pond and Oak Tree Point Villas. The final master plan will show the walkways to the front door. Uh the final master plan shall show elevations wrapping around um the architectural standards on all sides of the
buildings. Okay. And so planning commission did recommend approval for the first two conditions and then after planning commission we added the second two. So staff is requesting that council approve ordinance number
2025-14 and ordinance number 2025-15 with the conditions as stated by staff and um I'm available for questions and the applicant is also present and they have a presentation prepared for
you. All right. Would the applicant like to speak on this? Good evening. Pearson Sanchez with Luxer Development, 4700 Millennia Boulevard, Orlando, Florida. Thank you. Okay, awesome. Thank
you. Uh this is the East Side Park development. Um this is consists of 94 uh duplex lots or units. Um and let me go to the next slide here. One second.
There you go. Uh, so we have worked closely with city staff since January of 2023 to design and create a pud that would create an opportunity for a residential community that greatly exceeds the city standards like East Side Park. We are also happy to mention that we have received a recommendation of approval by the DRC and planning
commission for a proposed application. Uh, less density. We have less density than required by the city or countyy's future land use. Prior to the annexation into the city of St. cloud. The property was originally in Ocula County with a future land use of
LER which allows up to eight dwelling units per acre which would have allowed for 137 units. Um under the city's MDR FLU that would be about 171 units because that's a gross density and not a net. Um East Side Park's density is 6
and a half dwelling units an acre with a unit count of 94 units. site is located north of East 10th Street and just directly above the northern end of Old Hickory Tree Road. Here's a continuation of the site
location near some more major roads in city. Now, this is the landscaping the entrance from the view on East 10th Street. Um, this illustrated view is approximately 75 ft from the site. Um, we have a variation of mature landscaping to maintain an organic
appearance. Um, and we have live oak trees, Japanese, uh, Japanese blueberry trees, uh, and split rail fencing. Um, like Melissa had mentioned earlier, the, um, landscaping in this community will be mature when it's installed. So, you're
not going to have like your saplings from Home Depot that are like a stick. Um, moving on to the next slide here. Um, this is another view from East 10th Street. Um, this is just along the border um, of East 10th Street. So
that's what um it would look like about 60 feet from the site. Same thing there with the mature landscaping. And then there is the uh landscaping planting schedule. You got about hundred uh over
I believe 250 trees and 870 shrubs total consisting of six various types. This is the landscaping view from Oak Tree Point. Um, we have Florida friendly landscape buffers that we're going to be providing along the eastern boundary of the site with mature
landscaping installed to maintain an organic character. The illustrated view above is approximately 400 ft from the site overlooking the FDOT's pond. So, this would be in the backyard of um the lots in Oakree
Point. We have enhanced landscaping. We met with the neighboring Oak Tree Point community, which is also a duplex development. And our project is designed to align seamlessly with this character and standards. We are providing a landscape buffer between our community and theirs, which includes 73 live oak trees standing at 12 feet tall, 53
Eagles holly trees, which 6 to 8t tall, over 430 total shrubs, which will sit between trees for a natural green buffer. Here's another landscaping view from the western boundary. Um, we got more flora friend landscape buffers that
are going to be provided along that buffer. And this view is approximately 60 feet from the site. Unlike Oak Tree Point, every home in East Side Park features a re rear loaded garage instead of a front loaded garage. Um on the southernmost section
of the community that faces along East Tent Street. None of those ele uh none of those elevations uh the garages will face T Street. They will all be facing the front of the home. Um, we have enhanced architectural standards by material and wrapping the facade, including the side elevations of the
homes on the main road. There's also a white split rail fence with enhanced mature landscaping along the 10th Street frontage. Additional landscaping provided for the entrance features as well. Here's a neighborhood streetscape of the community entrance. Um, these
plants are to the um landscape plan as is. And that we have this rendering here with the alternating elevations. We have H, G, and J. And then on the side of the um units, you can see that we have some shutters on the sides of the doors,
shutters on the top windows. Um we even have them on top of the front door or sorry, not the front doors, the top windows in the front elevation. And we also have um siding up top and uh what is it? uh rock going around the base of
the uh unit. And this is a layout of the alternating elevations in the community. So you don't see a bunch of, you know, gray homes in one row. We have the elevations alternating throughout to where it's like mixed. Um and there's
your legend there. And yes, the duplexes cannot be repeated within the same block. Architectural standards. All homes in East Side Park will fe feature rear loaded garages. We are exceeding the minimum requirements with enhanced
architectural standards by providing a requirement for various exterior materials and multiple elevations as shown in the following slides. This is elevation G. Um this is the layout and color for this. Um, we actually have shutters above the rear garages as well
on those back windows and they are included on the side elevation as well for both sides. The same happens here with H and the same happens with elevation J. Um, parks and amenities. Uh we have nearly 30,000 square feet for a dog
park. There's five pocket parks, um quarter mile natural walking trail, eight exercise stations, 15 outdoor benches, a pickle ball court, a playground, a drinking water station, multiple bicycle parking areas throughout the site to provide residents
convenient access to local and downtown businesses. We have included um parking spaces along the street to provide additional parking for guests and residents. We are proposing 434 spaces and 4.72 acres of open space for this
project, exceeding the required amounts of 423 parking spaces and 2.9 acres of open space. Uh the amount of open space on this project is about 2.7 times the size of Veterans Park here on
13th. Here's the layout of the amenity and recreation plan. just kind of showing um all the amenities laid out throughout this community. Here is the plan continued. We got it zoomed in. We did want to point out that the lift station won't just be bare wire fence there. It's
going to have shrubbery around it um masking it. And then we have those pocket parks there as well with the benches and the bicycle parking. Uh the sidewalks here are five feet sidewalks and they connect all the way out to East 10th Street and to the
natural walking trail located on the northernmost section of the site. Along with the sidewalks, um we will be paying and um connecting the sidewalk from Oak Tree Point Villas to East Side Park uh through the section of
the FDOT ponds um or the FDOT's uh parcel in front of their pond. Yes. Uh Oak Tree Points residents expressed their desire and concern that on East Tentry that there would be a gap between the sidewalk of East Side Park and the existing sidewalks to the east.
Uh this the gap is the frontage of FDOT's retention pond which is between our project and the Oak Tree Point community. We have agreed to connect the sidewalks allowing a continued walking path which once again we will be paying for. Might skipped one there. Okay, we
didn't. Uh distances from high water line. The homes in the community are placed an average of 299.7 feet from the high water line of Lake Runny. There is an FDOT pond which creates space of approximately 44 uh.7 ft between Oak Tree Point and this
project. The project retention pond was placed on the northeast of the property to create additional distance between the adjacent Oak Tree Point. Um enhanced community safety. The hammerheads, the hammer, sorry, the hammerheads at the end of the alleyways are proposed to be connected and will be
looping for a safer access. Instead, this is um an exhibit of the distances from the high water line. Um like we said, there was an average of 299.7 ft. Um but the lowest being
270.4T from the high water line. uh wetland preservation area. Um all the wetland on this project is preserved. There is no impact to the wetlands and um the wetland buffers provided would allow the future residents to enjoy a natural buffer. In summation, the project
exceeds minimum standards by utilizing Florida friendly landscape and enhanced buffers. Enhanced landscaping, including the split rail fencing, exceeds minimum open space standards by providing 4.72 acres of open space.
uh sorry uh provides for enhanced architectural standards for the material and the facades of the homes, rear loaded and garage homes with private road access. And we're exceeding the minimum standards for parking with 434 parking spaces including the street
parking. Loop connected internal drive aisles for ease of emergency access without the need for hammerheads or turnarounds. provides pedestrian and bicycle friendly amenities throughout the site to provide residents with convenient access to local and downtown businesses. The project is saving all
the wetlands without any impact. Florida friendly mature landscaping entrance, lower density than the FLU under the city or the county allows. We are proposing to connect and pay for the cost of connecting the
off-site sidewalk in front of the FDO tupon to give um nearby communities and residents access to that uh sidewalk area. Uh we got uh more amenities with the uh quarter mile walking trail, the pocket parks, dog park, the exercise
stations, the pickle ball court, and once again the sidewalks and the trails which will be um available to the public as well. went too far there. Is there any questions? Uh, yes. Actually, can we go back to the showing where the sidewalk
is going to be in front of the DOT and in front of your your subdivision? Yes. This exhibit. Yes. So, is that sidewalk going to be all the way back like Oak Tree is like their sidewalk off the road? because I
know it kind of comes up closer to the road where that ditch is that splits the dot plus is that Oak tree subdivision oak tree point what's the other duplex one that point yeah to yes to the Oak tree point then
you have a ditch um not a big ditch but then you've got the pond yes but where that ditch is that's where the sidewalk comes up close to the road but at Oak Creek Point. It goes up
closer to Oak Creek Point. So, where's that sidewalk going to run in front of the DOT and the subdivision? Yeah. So, uh right there where it's in the yellow where it's highlighted. Right. But I'm not seeing Oak Creek Point. Do you have
uh let me see if I can go back here and get that in there. Melissa, do you know what I'm referring to? Yes. Okay. Thank you. I'm trying to find an exhibit with that in there. So, let me just go to this
one. Um, so where that um 30foot platted right ofway uh not opened is uh along that line there is where Oak Tree Point starts. Um that would I believe past that parcel to the uh east would be their um their landscape buffer. So your
sidewalk will be north of the ditch along 10th Street. Yes. Is that safe to say the drainage ditch? Yes. Okay. It'll be in line with Oak Tree Point.
Um which would be in line with Ashley Oaks all the way. Yeah, there is a ditch there and there um there is a sidewalk that goes over it already on the ditch. Well, it comes out where the ditch is from Oak Tree. It come it goes towards
the road. I'm trying to keep the sidewalk off the road. I just want to ensure that it's not going to be where the ditch is and you've got the the um the fence to keep people from going into the ditch. We have our engineer Bruce Taylor available. Yes, sir. All
right. Thank you, Bruce. Name and address. Yes. Good evening. Bruce Taylor, 131 East 13th Street, B. Taylor and Associates. Um so the I know what you're talking about. The sidewalk actually goes at about a 45 degree angle and then we we're going to meet up with
that. But I think what we don't have shown there, but it's going to have to be a pipe system. We're gonna have to pipe the 10th Street system in order to get the clearance that's going to be required for that sidewalk to be constructed. Yeah. I think what I'm asking is is the
sidewalk as it stands right now, you're connecting to the sidewalk on the other side, the the east side of the DOT, correct? Property. Correct. So, you're going to take it from there and go into the DOT property more. Well, not just run it straight to
What we're going to do is we're going to we're going to probably have to pipe that just from what's shown there. We we don't have a lot of room behind where that ditch is to the to the front property line of the DOT pond. So, in order to make more usable area, we're going to have to pipe that at least that
stretch in front of the DOT that that ditch. Correct. Well, where's the sidewalk going to go? That's really my concern as well. Well, it go on top of the pipe. I mean, wherever the p the pipe's going to be underground, we're going to have more usable area, right? But where the sidewalk is in front of Oak Tree and Ashley Oaks all
the way over to or Yeah, Ashley Oaks all the way to Narusi Road, is that where you're going to be in line with that? Right. Where the plan should show where it ties in, like I said, it comes in at a 45 degree angle, but it actually goes up to the north and then it runs along their rideway line, which is actually a
little further north. Melissa, do we have a plan showing it connecting and showing Oak Tree is and where their sidewalk is as well. I think I see what you're saying because I'm not seeing it off the page here. I'm I'm looking at the aerial and you know what I mean. The
that sidewalk is substantially farther north and I I I see which is the way Ashley Oaks is all the way from correct. But it does come down at a 45 and where where that ties in it's going to tie into ours which is going to be about right about where that is. So that's
what just because the ditch. Yeah. The pro the problem the problem that we're having there is the DOT they don't have they're we're giving 14 and a half ft of rideway. The DOT their rideway is much is going to be much further south than we're at. So we're going to have a
limited area to construct the sidewalk. Like I said, we're going to go ahead. My my question is is it going to be in line with what's already there in front of Oak Tree? We're going to tie into where it where it jogs down at 45. Yes, sir. which is right against 10th Street,
which is I think what you're asking. You're you're wanting it closer to the to the north like because one day 10th Street's going to need to be widened, right? I mean, it's inevitable. That's correct. Well, you're not putting the sidewalk where it's currently where you're connecting it up to. You're going to you're going to go in all the way
into the property just like Oak Tree is, I believe. So, we're we're going to we're going to put it where we can I mean, we're not going to we're not going to be affecting the DOT property. I'm going to go ahead and ask uh Council Member
Gilbert, your lights on. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, sir. Maybe I'm spun in circles on my own questions. Uh we all have our opportunities. Uh, east and west, both 10th Street and Lakeshore are reliever lanes for 13th
Street. And that's people come down, they come down 10th Street, or they come down Lake Shore going east or west to Narusi from the Turnpike, Browns Chapel, places like that. You're looking at 94 houses, 180
cars at minimum. You got 400 and some parking spots. What enhancement are we looking at 10th Street? Because that's a two-lane road, and if you get people turning left or right, that's going to back up traffic all the way to the uh to the cemetery or beyond when somebody's
trying to turn. I've I've gone down that road numerous times. I just there's no left turn lanes being built. There's no right merge. So, I just don't know how 10th Street is going to handle that much more traffic. That's just mine. And then some of these divisions that we have, subdivisions or or these places have
enhancements to our existing roads to do that. But I didn't hear anything that there'll be a left turn lane incorporated on the expense or where there'll be passing lanes or stuff like that. Those are the things that um concern me a little bit. Uh great place,
great piece of property. I just don't know how much more Tenth Street can handle on just being a single 30 mph or 25 mph each way. And I yield back to whoever the council is here. I just know that that's going to be an issue if not
today in the future. Thank you. Yes, sir. Fletcher. Oh yes. Go ahead. Can Yeah. Can I respond? So, when we started this project, um I know that we do have a traffic study that was put together for it, um for this one specifically, but I
do know that the city is working on a 10th Street um traffic traffic analysis that is supposed to be coming, you know, coming up in the next year or two. Um I mean, if we if we do need to have some additional turn lanes, then we'll go ahead. I mean, at this point, it's a
little premature, but I do know that we do have a traffic study put together, and if we need to add the turn lanes, we can add them. Like I said, I do know that the city is working on a traffic analysis for the 10th Street area there. All right, I'm going to let city manager comment first. I just need to clarify to
the council, we lost the grant for that. That was part of the federal pause that has been done. So, yes, there's no traffic study right now on 10th Street. Uh, Deputy Mayor. Um, so I just I've looked at this project in through
several different lenses. Um, and all of the items that that you addressed in the presentation, I feel like you've taken everything that I've ever mentioned in the last two years and put it into one plan as far as recreation, landscaping, um, the architectural design standards,
all of those things. Um, even the the distance to to to Lake Renee and all of that. My biggest concern was the the the 10th Street roadway. Um we did have the the the studies and stuff. I believe it was through a metro plan or or or
whatnot that was stopped at the federal um level, but you know, we'll eventually um um get there. Another way to to to look at this, I mean you guys, another way to look at this is it's going to serve people are going to come down 192 Hickory and then and then and then come
in. um is it's also providing um you know once Tenth Street does get done from the initial design concepts that I have seen it's going to provide direct access to downtown to serve the to serve um the downtown businesses through um economic development spending money
bicycle you know they're coming down downtown they come throughout the grid already um I'm not making an excuse for it is it is going to put traffic on the road um um when a traffic study comes back after the approval. Right. So once you get to site development, you have to
do a traffic study anyways. And if the connected indicates that a turn lane needs to be put in, then you have no other choice but put turn lane in. That's correct. And we are, like I said earlier, we are giving 14 and a half ft a future rideway. So and then we have that rightway that runs
all the way the majority down 10th Street, I would imagine, to correct to to be able to do the initial concept from what I was looking at from a long it was a long time ago. I I know it's a it's a constrained
roadway. I don't know how much is available on on the north side of the road, right? Our engineers might be able to answer that. I know Cameron's here if you want an answer like that. No, it's okay. Those are my comments for now. Okay. Are you sure Cameron wants to talk?
Give me a reason. Cameron. Well, like I well I can respond to I do know that our design we've been going through like months and months of redesign on this, but everything is pedestrian and uh you know we're trying to we're trying to
have it accessible to everybody around the area and have more pedestrian access. So that should alleviate I mean I know you're going to have your typical traffic pattern but a lot of the people are going to be using the sidewalks on
site and going offsite and you know using a lot more foot traffic than vehicle traffic. That's what we're trying to that's what we're trying to strive for. All right. Council member Paul. Yes. Um to the applicant um can he confirm that these town homes would be
individually owned and by fees simple? Yes, they are. Can Can we get up to the podium, please? Yes, sir. Yes, these these duplexes are fe simple. They are not built for rent community.
Okay. Uh Melissa, do we have um dot do we have oak tree to show on the map as well? I am concerned about the sidewalk. That's a Would you would you like for me to just pull it up on um like the property appraisers aerial
because I could not find any maps in our presentation that show Yes, ma'am. Okay, Council Member Paul, your lights on. You have something else. So, I I think I can also help if you're looking at at I don't know if it was this. Yeah, this map. you kind of you
see the lighter line um that when you look at the property appraisers's office just on the pond property you you see what looks like a fence that that appears to line up with the oak subdivisions sidewalk. You can see the fence there.
Um I've been staring. Yes, the the chain link fence does. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. And I on the other map you could you could see that chain link fence um to to to see the difference. All right. So Bruce, is that fence is that sidewalk going to go right along that fence line
where DOT has that fence? That chain link fence. Melissa, can you move it back over just a little more? I guess you can. Yeah, you can see we're at 45's right there. So yeah, there you go. So, what we're putting the sidewalk
right at the edge of the DOT property rightway line and we're going to be right where is that at? Can you show me where your finger pin on the map, please? You're going to put the sidewalk all the way up against the road. Whose finger? Oh, that's Tisha's finger.
Whose finger is that? So, we're gonna take that and we're We're going to join up to that point and then we're going to go back up wherever the right line is over here. Going to come up to wherever the line is and then run there in the in the
rightway. That's why I was saying we're going to need we're going to need to pipe that ditch. Yes, sir. I I Can you show me with your pen? And it'd be a little easier than your finger where that make maybe uh show it with your pen where that
sidewalk is going to be. Here's the existing sidewalk right here. Wherever the wherever the rideway line is, we're going to take it right up to the edge because we don't we don't have the authority to put the sidewalk in the DOT property. So, we're going to
put it right along the property line rightway line along there. So, you're not going to be in there? No. So, we're not going to be in the DOT project. We're going to we're going to put the the sidewalk in the rightway line. Okay. Is there any reason why we didn't match it up with the the rest of the subdivision since we're kind of
connecting them all and and with the the way Tent Street is right now having a sidewalk that close it does bother me. I understand for that, you know, 15 feet where that deep ditch is to kind of go around it, but I think that'll change in the future anyway. I believe so.
So this came this came to us on the 11th hour and we we agreed to installing the sidewalk to appease these everybody so we could get the traffic pedestrian traffic to go east to west. So wherever we need to put it which typically you're
going to put it right at the edge of the rideway line and that's why I was saying we're going to need to close that that that ditch system with a fight. Okay. Regardless of DOT, let's go to your property. I'm sorry if we can move over
and and show me on the map where your sidewalk is going to be because you have full control over that. Our sidewalk is going to be again at the edge of the runway line property line.
All right. You keep going into the property. That's where it's kind of confusing me because I see the fence, the DOT fence. So, you're you're going to Okay. You're telling me you can't go up to DOT fence because it's their property, but on the property you represent, you do have the ability to do
that. So, right. So, do you see that? That's that's where our sidewalk is going. Yeah. And that's what bothers me. It it's so close to 10th Street. That's a dangerous road. It's uh it's only going to get busier. Uh, is there any way we can push that sidewalk
all the way to the to to line up with Oak Tree and with Ashley Oaks? I mean, it's up to the owner, but I mean, we do have the 14 and 1/2t rideway dedication. We we theoretically we could construct it right there.
You have a 5-ft sidewalk that's running a that would line up with the chain link fence on the DOT property, which is I think what the mayor is asking, but I think you were having that as an internal sidewalk within your subdivision. Yeah, I'm looking for that
the people walking along Tent Street. I don't want them walking two foot off the road. I mean, that that's dangerous. Which is why we didn't do the Roma Road that way. Well, we could we could move that sidewalk up into here, but like she said, we have another sidewalk right here. Oh, then that's but that's got to
be accessible to everybody else. Is that correct? Which it is. Is that So that's then that's the going to be the one that's going to line up with the rest of them. That's what I would like to see. That's the one where everybody walking from Oak Tree or Ashley Oaks or all the
way down Tent Street, they'll walk on that five- foot sidewalk behind those units, right? Because this, as you can see, this this sidewalk here comes out to comes out to the rightway. So, here's here's your connection here. Why why are
we doing two sidewalks then? Uh what I don't understand which one's going to link up with this this sidewalk sir is for this is these these are the front of the houses. So they have a sidewalk because these are all rear loading they're all rear loading
duplexes. Correct. So these are the fronts of all the houses which have a sidewalk in front. Right. So why is there going to be a second sidewalk about I don't know eight feet in front of it. Well typically I think St. cloud requires to have a
sidewalk on the frontage of all key properties, key projects required. If I could help city with a if I can if I can help with a solution, I think if you would put a public easement on that northern 5ft sidewalk, you could
eliminate the second sidewalk and make the city council happy. Push it back off the road. That's fine with me. It's dangerous, right? Okay. You know, 10th Street is going to be widened, so it would it would save a lot of taxpayer dollars not having to tear up a
sidewalk for the taxpayers to build another sidewalk. I mean, that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. And they can't do anything about the DOT property, but we could reach out to DOT and see if they would work with us on moving it north. Yeah. Name and address for the record development, 4700 Millennia
Boulevard in Orlando. Uh we're fine with doing that. I mean, we were just trying to, you know, go with the guidance that the staff told us. So, and we're trying to respect both ways. So, if we could do what you're suggesting, we're okay to be doing that. Yes, sir. Yeah. I I
just help us out with the DOT issue. Uh we're okay with, you know, just going straight through where the DOT, you know, uh property line is as well. So, and we'll we'll as staff will reach out to DOT and see if there's any anything that we can do to move the sidewalk up. I'm sure they'll work with us. They
understand this stuff. They they know we're not going to want to build it and redo it. Is that a county pond or It says FDOT. FDOT. Who who maintains that ditch that runs north south there next in between Oak Tree and DOT? Um I think because that's
the only reason why it even comes up to the road to 10th is because that ditch that runs north south. It's the oak oak. I had it pulled up a minute ago. HOA. It's the oak treeoint HOA. owns that
ditch. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Quickly, so I can keep a procedure. Tisha, can you screenshot what you just pulled up on the thing and and email it to Ivy? Thank you.
All right, council. Y'all have any other questions on this? Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right, Dan, how do we include that in a motion? If we're going to include that in a motion, you have to make it.
You asked the city manager to restate and then you say so moved. You know how to do it. Um, we were eliminating the southern sidewalk and putting a public access
easement or track over the northern 5- foot sidewalk just south of their residential lots. So moved. We have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Can I get a second, please? I'll go ahead and make a
second. And Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Gilbert, nay. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, I. Council member Paul, I. Council member Urban, I. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries 41. Uh, we go ahead and read item number
eight into the rec. Uh, yes. You already read it. We already read it. We go ahead and take a motion on that. Will you include the same condition in that because that's really where it should be in the PUD. Yes, sir. Motion to approve including the condition in the previous item as well.
We have a motion from the deputy mayor. Second. Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. I. Council member Paul. I. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Nay. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries
41. Right. Thank you very much. Bruce, appreciate you. Have a good evening. Y All right, madam clerk, please read the next item. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-16, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud Ocola County Florida amending chapter 48
waterways of the code of ordinances was to establish article 2 creating section 48-4 definitions creating section 48-5 requirements operating personal watercrafts section 48-6 regulations for watercraft rental businesses section
48-7 permits for watercraft rental businesses section 48-8 enforcement providing for conflicts of ability codification administrative corrections scriveners errors and publication effective Good evening, mayor, city council. Scott David off, deputy city manager.
Uh, the purpose of this ordinance is to regulate the operation of personal watercrafts and watercraft rental businesses in St. Cloud. It's to enhance the safety for both watercraft operators and the general public and to address the safety concerns around the boat ramps and our
waterways. During the city council workshop on February 625, the city council had acknowledged the importance of regulating the personal watercraft and rental businesses to ensure public health and safety at the boat ramps and waterways that highlighted the need for these regulations. Uh this is something
that has been discussed by previous city city council uh for a number of years and our existing code prohibits businesses from operating at the lakefront except as part of a special event or through a program to permit commercial
activities. The state requirements for personal watercraft operators require safety equipment. Uh there are time restrictions which includes no operation from 30 minutes after sunset to 30 minutes before sunrise. And then age requirements which are you must be 14
years of age and there is a certification required for any operators born after January 1 of 98. Other requirements for these watercraft businesses are that the businesses must register their watercrafts annually and
hold a valid permit and that would be done through the parks and recreation department. And the watercrafts must be registered in the business's name and have a valid Florida registration. Uh the rentals would only be allowed at the city-owned lakefront uh park boat
ramp and all business transactions and reservations would occur offsite. Uh no advertising would be permitted on site. So you couldn't have tents or banners or or have signs out there. Uh safety procedures would be enhanced. The operators must provide safety
instructions to all the patrons, anybody who would be utilizing these watercrafts. The watercrafts must be identified with the business name prominently displayed upon them. That way, anybody uh from the enforcement side as well as from the public would be able to notice if they were actually
authorized to be out there. Uh fueling and environmental concerns obviously are something we're very concerned about. Uh, so any fueling would require non-spill, excuse me, spillproof nozzles and no storage of any fuel tanks would be permitted along the
shoreline. There would be violations for any of these businesses that do violate the ordinance. There would be an initial warning for non-compliance. Again, similar to code enforcement, it's a very gentle touch with everyone. We want to make sure that it's customer service friendly, but they would be given an
initial warning for non-compliance, reminded of what the process was. Uh, a second warning would result in them having to stop operations for that day. They would have to immediately cease business out there for that day. And a third violation would lead to forfeite
of their permit, which would mean they would no longer be able to operate on city property. Uh, enforcement would be done by code enforcement. uh would be done by the police department, be done by the park ranger, parks and recreation staff would be able to be out there as
well. The permit requirements uh as city council had provided consensus for during the workshop, uh it's the annual renewal uh and the fees, it would be $5,000 annually for a business that would be located that's already located
in the St. cloud and $7,000 for non-resident businesses. They must provide a valid liability insurance with the specific coverage requirements and the permit must be displayed on the vehicles and the trailers. Obviously, the insurance requirements you have
there. So, in summary, this ordinance aims to ensure safety for personal watercraft operators and rental businesses in St. Cloud. Uh the key provisions again cover the safety equipment operational guidelines, commercial operator regulations and
enforcement. Staff recommends approval of ordinance 2025-16 and requests council approval of the ordinance. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Scott. Uh since the city is the applicant, uh Deputy
Mayor Fletcher, um I just I just wanted to say thank you to staff for bringing this forward. Um the the the intent of this overall ordinance is to ensure that the residents that live in St. Cloud have access to to the boat ramp and and to the facilities that their taxpayer
dollars pay for. We all know you you go down there on Saturday and it is a mad house and it's every single person from all over Central Florida um coming to access our wonderful lakes. Most of our wonderful lake and use the lakefront by ramp. Um, a lot of the jurisdictions as
we know um throughout the region have adopted a permit structure and it kind of leaves us wide open um to kind of create chaos. Um um most on council know when this was first brought up I was like oh no no no no absolutely not. Um you know I've lived in St. Cloud my
whole life. I don't want to spend $10 to put a permit you know to pay for a permit. But in this case I think it will help um the residents out in the long run. So, those are my comments and thank you. All right. And we have some citizen uh comments on here.
Scott Siver, did I pronounce that right? Scott Sever or Siver? Yes, sir. I should know already. Yes, sir. Uh name and address for the for the Scott Siver 2510 Zouri Road, St. Cloud, Florida.
Are y'all proposing a fee to use the ramp for the citizens? That's not what this one this is. Is that not being discussed tonight at all? This is for watercraft rental businesses. I believe the fee was included in the
fee schedule that was on the consent agenda. Okay. Yes, that was uh that was on the consent agenda. The what what letter was that one? A
letter A. Yep. That was pulled on the consent agenda. You had written number ordinance number nine, the item nine on here, Scott. That's why. Well, when you'd asked to speak about that and he certainly probably can comment on it. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely comment. We did
vote on it on the consent. Um, but I definitely let you comment. So, it was already passed. It was um in on the consent agenda at the very beginning of the meeting. Yes, sir. Okay. Obviously, there is going to be a fee. Now, I'll let the Scott would you like to talk
about that? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Uh, as council had directed, city staff uh brought back to council a proposal back in January, I believe it was, on uh the issues regarding the boat ramp. So, what the program is that's
being implemented that will uh with council having approved that this evening, all the information will be going out to the general public uh beginning tomorrow morning. That's all ready to go. Uh and it is not actually for utilizing the boat ramp itself. It's
for parking trailers at the boat ramp. So, it would only be for those individuals who are parking a trailer in those spaces. Uh it would be $6 per day. Uh that would be for anybody who's going for the daily use. Uh however, city
residents are able to purchase an annual pass, which would be $35 for a year. Uh and it's $150 for county residents. Uh they would be able to purchase that. However, city council had directed that until the end of the calendar year
through December 31st that city residents would be able to get that pass for no charge. Okay. So, it's not on the ramp itself. It's on the parking. It's on parking a trailer. Yes, sir. Parking the trailers. Yes, sir. Scott, that's your answer.
It's not on the the ramp. Um, and I'm going to let you speak, of course. I'm going to give you all the, you know, your time to speak on this if you wanted to talk about that. Well, you already voted on it, correct? It was voted on. Yes, sir. And the only reason I didn't call you up for for that is because you wrote item number nine in the ordinance
here. That's why we're talking about orange number nine, the rental business. Watercraft rental business. I think you wrote the wrong one on the I didn't write that on there. Oh, really? I didn't write nine. I just wrote ordinance. Is it an A? Did you?
Well, is that that's fine. It's it's irrelevant. You already my What is the purpose for charging people to park? Well, I'll let Scott answer that, of course. Um but he did send over, you know, we did spend a lot of money on
when we took in Chisum Park. Uh how long ago was that? Four or five years ago? 10 years. It hadn't been that long. Um that ramp, you know how bad that boat ramp is. I think we just spent what $580 something thousand dollars on that. Yeah. Scott read the numbers earlier when we were talking on number A. I'm
sure he can read them again. Yes, sir. Mayor, um as council member Paul had had asked uh earlier, the um cost for the marina repair uh that will be coming before council will be somewhere, our initial quotes are somewhere between
785,000 to 1.1 million. The dredging that was done in the lakefront in 2019 was 247,000 and the current repairs that are going on at the boat ramp and enhancements at the Chisom Park boat ramp is $455,477.
Okay. What Scott, which one did you have to concern, Chisum or Lakefront? What was your your My first concern, which is no fault of y'all's, you weren't here, but and if you can't afford to take care of it, I shouldn't have to pay extra
taxes for it. My problem is the city keeps consuming land, but they don't want to pay for it. They don't when they not you, you guys didn't personally do it, but it was consumed by the city. You didn't have to take You're talking about Chism Park. That's why I was asking which one are you?
Well, isn't the fee higher for a county resident versus a city resident? It is. Yes, sir. And my concern is for decades I pay taxes, but now they don't want to pay for now. I'm going to have to pay more taxes to launch my boat, which I've
been doing my whole life. And since the day the city took it over, and you guys personally don't take care of it, but city employees do. It's been in disarray. Yeah. There's black mold on the kids playgrounds. There's trash everywhere. There's giant holes in
the dirt. And again, the city's done nothing for years. And now they want to charge residents more money. What's been going on? And my concern is because I live in a county now, I'm taxed at even a higher rate to use the boat ramp I've
used my whole life. And every time I'm there, half the people there aren't even from this county. I I understand that. But yeah, and I think that's really the intent is there's a many citizens from other counties coming in and using the ramps and Okay. Not just that, you got the
lakefront parking spots. I mean, we're addressing all of that as well. I'm going to let city manager first speak on this. We got another a lot of lights. Just I just wanted to clarify a few things. Um first of all, when we took over Chisum, Bosula County is wanting us
to take over all of the parks within the JPA. Within the agreement, they required us to take Chisum. Next, in this next coming budget year, we're having to take part in Triangle and um and then after that, it's Old Hickory. And we would prefer not to take these parks, but that
is something that OciOla County is is wanting to do. they don't want to be in that recreation business. Um, but further when we took over Chism Park, it was not in good condition. The city went in and invested, had to replace the playground equipment itself. We've done other construction projects with the
bathrooms. We also recently did a a large master plan for the entire complex. We're doing storm water improvements. We have been investing in Chisum Park and I'm very proud of that. Thank you. Um, Council Member Urban. Um,
yeah, I the city manager basically said what I was going to say. We we didn't really have much of a choice in taking over Chisum Park and we have a joint planning agreement with OciOla County. Um, and and and this is just part of that. I I think all all the improvements
that we have planned for to the park. I I I would like to maybe explore a discount rate for maybe Ocula County residents as a whole just to look at that because do you want to sit down? There's three more people. So if you want to sit down Okay, I'm just letting
you know as he mentioned there's a lot of out residents that come and those are the ones that are typically abusing everything. Okay. Uh, Council Member Gilbert, Scott's a friend of mine. We we go back
some time and we did have conversations on this and and I understood why and I I know during our conversation you had mentioned that the city wanted this park and it was 10 years ago, but I sit on this council taking all the good and bad that I with the council. But I when I
became on council, I started to look at what it cost to keep running that uh and I think there's a few bucks going into it just I know you take care of the lakes.
I know you're a good citizen. I know you do great stuff. It's kind of we just don't know how to maintain a quality lake without some feed structures attached. uh all the surrounding areas, seminal county, Orange County, um Duval,
all those are charging for those areas and and the counties are actually trying to get rid of those parks to municipalities because of the overhead that those counties are. So, I I feel for you, brother, and I know we talked about it and I know again I understand you're you know, you're a great citizen.
You volunteer. I think you were on the JP annex. I know you've been on many boards and commissions. I just I don't know if there's a better solution that having that now if this um makes other
counties not come orange seinal so on so it may not be that that care is going to need that much but right now we're overcrowded over run and I know you're talking about Chisum but at Lake Lakeshore Lakefront it's that house there with all different counties just
coming and going because our our assistant city manager, deputy city manager, I apologize, were worked in what is it? Lake County, what county in Claremont and they had the same issue. They had to do something because their lake. So, I wish I had a good answer for
you. I just want to tell you I appreciate you and I appreciate all you do and I don't know a way around not charging some fees for that, but I do hear member urban if there's something for county. I just don't have that
answer. But I just want to tell you, we talked about it. I did investigate. Uh the county kind of had us take over. We didn't ask for it. Um but go ahead. I appreciate y'all's time and not to argue, but the city keeps doing this and then
they complain about what it cost. Unfortunately, where I live, there's a bunch of millionaires that live around me. So, by your very own logic, if they can't afford their house, I'll buy it and ask you guys help pay for it. I mean, at some point, you guys
have to stop the annexation so you can control what's going on financially. That's all I'm asking because now it's a burden on me because I don't live in a city. Something I've used my entire life and I know it's it's done and over
with, but yeah, I don't know the county would have had the money to put it in there. I think their focus has shifted from parks to, you know, I don't know how many parks they still control, but in the future, I'd appreciate it if the city slow down on animals and things that they can't afford to pay for
it. Council member Paul. So, um, back to what city manager Veronica stated about the parks, we did have a workshop about discussing these parks and prime example, Narusi Community Center is one that was brought up where the county is
wanting the city to take over it. But I think we brought up is before we take another park, they need to fix it up before they want to dish it off to the city and stuff like that because if you go out there, it's not being maintained properly and stuff like that. So that's
my comment on that. All right, Scott, we can uh have more conversation about this because there are many fees within that that ordinance or the on the consent agenda, right? The resolution. Yes, sir. It wasn't just um
the trailer park and boat park. Yes, sir. We'll talk about that. I think um council member Urban Gilbert alluded to, you know, what about county residents and then we can have that discussion again the workshop and and and if I could speak to that real real quick um
council that was something that you had brought up initially during the workshop because uh initially it was presented that there was only the annual pass that was available for city residents only that there was no pass available for county residents and council had
directed that there should be a pass for county residents, which was the $150, which was the fee that council had recommended at that time. So, other counties do not have the ability uh to purchase any sort of annual pass. Only
Oyola County residents uh have the ability to purchase the annual pass. That was something that council had requested to be put in there. And also to Councilwoman Paul to to your point um with Park and Triangle Park that that you mentioned is one of the ones that
the city will be having to take over. Uh prior to us and as we're negotiating that with them, we provided them with a list and it was $30 something,000 worth of repairs that had to be done before the city would take over that park, which was something that
had not been done previously for Chism Park or any of these other parks that that city has taken Deputy Mayor Fletcher and I just wanted to add to that about Barton Triangle because I believe according to the contract we were supposed to take it over quite some time ago but staff has
done a really good job of saying no no no don't dump that over here you know do your job so they're looking they're looking out for it the best that we can yeah and staff we don't always get it right on the first crack but I think we're going to have that discussion again and talk about county
res stay tuned You're welcome those workshops as well. Thank you. Have a good evening. All right, let's go ahead and take a 10-minute break real quick and we'll come back. I'm sorry, mayor, if we could. Did we
vote? No, we didn't. We could. I'm sorry. Oh, do we have to? Please. What were we talking about? The watercraft. Not the right. Do we have a
motion? Motion. Council member second. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Madam clerk, please call the role. Council member. Council member Urban. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I motion carries 5.
Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Great. number today. That would be events over 3,400 and limited that to one event per month unless city council approves otherwise uh and has the ability to do
so at any time. uh and to require the utilization of proof road park closure uh events uh with road and parking closures also for the entertainment district which would be limited to two per month for non cityrun events on a
first come first serve basis and again event applicants were able to submit uh up to one year in advance. The amendments also include solid waste provisions as determined by the city, ensuring that city staff sets
up and requires solid waste disposal plans for these events. Requiring the location of all activities, tents, vendors, and stages to be on the event layout plans, establishing event cancellation authority uh and to establish an event decision appeal
process. And then again this uh as council had requested establishes the city and all department are exempt from the special event permitting process. The formal process however the city still goes through the same review
process. Staff's recommendation is the approval of ordinance 25 2025-17 is requesting approval by city council here to address any questions that you may have. First we got council member Gilbert just one thing that we uh
doing events around the country around the nation uh we're always having to pay we have to pay for fire marshal fire marshal approval plans uh look and things such that so I don't think this is out of line u any events that take place there has to be approval message
but how many hands does this touch how many people approve it before it gets approved well it goes through every department okay let me rephrase that how many departments have to approve this before police department, fire department, parks and recreation public works. So you got four departments on
average. How long does it take them to review this? Um depends on the level of complexity of the event. Some of these events could be reviewed in a matter of minutes if it's a small event. Some of these events require a number of weeks that can go
back and forth. It's a very large event that has a lot of moving parts that require revisions, especially when it comes to public safety. Are these events priced out accordingly to their specialties? As you said, if it takes four hours to do, would it be a higher
price for let's say police safety, uh, fire safety than it would for a normal event, uh, that just as I don't want to call it rubber stamping, but stamping? Yes. All all of the uh associated fees are part of the the fee schedule. I just
I just see it in the private sector that every hand it touches. Yes, sir. The money that goes into that gets Thank you. Paul. All right. Um and can you um publicly um for the record indicate why we're amending this um
ordinance? Sure. Um, this has been something that the city has been looking at for for some time in order to address and and fix some loopholes as well as to clarify for both the applicants and for city staff. Uh, this also addresses when
there have been some major issues that have occurred during some of the special events. There was a large special event that occurred uh I guess it was the late summer, early fall down at the lakefront that the applicant uh was dishonest on
their application. Uh however, there were some loopholes in there that if the current regulations that we're proposing this evening, if they were in place, we would have caught staff would have caught that and prevented those issues
from occurring. Thank you, Scott. Um, this is the one spoke about about allowing only two events per month that goes off screen in the entertainment district. Yes, sir. Okay. Um, and I think my my comment on that
the Wednesday night monthly market is already one of them. So, it takes up the every month for the entire year. Yes, sir. And then you've got u the um relay for life which is in November I believe October, November in that area. So
essentially those months are just blocked out. Yes sir. Yeah. And I would like to just amend that to allow two on the weekends you know and not just two all together you know to allow three total but three
total. Three total. Yeah. Absolutely. kind of I don't want to limit us because essentially the Wednesday night that's an ongoing thing. We know that's going to happen. But what if somebody comes up and says we've got this idea for a huge event, but then you got real life for life already has their scheduled and
Wednesday nights taken there and then we got three open weekends on a Saturday or Sunday, whatever day they don't do the other day and we can't do anything. Not that I want to shut down the streets of downtown all the time, but what if one says we got 20,000 people coming in and can really do a number for your
community? Yes, sir. We can absolutely make that change. Does that sound good? I think I think it was left up that it is um the way that it's written right now is it says two. Uh however,
the applicant can request through city council. Um sometimes that could take a little bit extra time. So if somebody's coming in setting it at three may make it a little bit easier on the but I mean we can work with it whichever way council requests
anything over that come back. Yeah I think and that previously has not been a problem. That was why staff had suggested that. So making it three certainly is is we don't foresee that becoming an issue at all. Right. And and all of these events have to go through the permitting through Yes. their
office. So that's correct. They can't put cones out in the in the streets and no like I used to do with a car show for the city. Thank All right. Can we get a motion? Um I'd like to add that condition for the
the third one. Is that uh since I'm doing I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve uh I'm sorry. Do we have any from anyone from the audience like to speak it? Right. Then I go ahead and I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve that condition. I'm sorry, allowing three
instead of two seconds per month. We have a motion for second. Council member Gilbert, Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. Hi. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries. 5 Z. And
mayor, if we could just do a little clarification. So your your amendment to what was proposed was for only for the entertainment district, not the lake. You're okay with the lake? Yeah, it's the entertainment district is really the Is that
item number nine? Did you read it already? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, not nine. Sorry, the next item is what I meant. I'm so public hearing for ordinance summer 2025-21. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. cloud
approximately plus - 13 for 32 acres identified as puffer road commercial located east of the way west drive north of branched oak road south of east of the Bronx Memorial Highway west of Buro Boulevard in accordance with the voluntary unexation provisions of chapter 17 1.044 Florida
statutes final public hearing for ordinance 2025-22 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. P Florida assigning a future land use designation of commercial to approximately plus minus 13.32 acres identified as Puffin Road commercial located east of Tay West Drive north of
Branch Oak Road south of East Lab Bronson Memorial Highway and west of Bur Oak Boulevard providing for official feature land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations publication availability effectility copies of file and effective date final public hearing for summer 2025-23 an
order of the city council of the city of St. Florida providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of St. Florida specifically junior and zoning designation of plus - 132 identified as public commercial from AC agriculture development and conservation county to
HB highway business zoning designation within commercial future language designation generally located east of T West Drive north of branch old road south of east Memorial Highway west of her Oak Boulevard providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map from the planning commission
recommendations approve the publication effective Good evening, Melissa again. The cases before you tonight are for the annexation comprehensive plan amendment and zon amendment for the project known as Puff Road commercial. This request
meets the uh this request meets both the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with Oyola County as it is contiguous and reasonably compact. The existing future land use is commercial within
agricultural zoning designation. The requested city land use is commercial and the requested zoning designation is highway business. This request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities.
Here's a graphic representation of the land depicting the current county commercial land use context. And you'll see that um on the zoning map it uh shows the designated zoning district as agricultural honor before July sorry on
four January 28th 2025 staff recommended approval um after this item went to planning commission um and came to city council on April 10th um the item was continued
to which is this meeting in order to in order to allow the applicant to work with their client to add the following condition and I will read the condition into the record. Uh it is self
storage facilities shall be expressly prohibited on the subject site notwithstanding any other wise permitted uses within the highway business zoning district planning commission recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that
council approve ordinance number 20 2521 for the annexation 2025-22 for the comprehensive plan amendment and 2025-23 uh for the zoning map amendment with
staff's recommended condition of approval and the applicant is present and we are available for questions. All right. Thank you. And would the applicant like to speak? Good evening, mayor, council members.
John Adams, RJWA, 8 Broadway, Florida 34741. Uh the agent for the applicant uh for an agreement with staff report for requesting annexation land use of commercial and zoning request highway business. Uh we did volunteer the
condition committed to know self storage on this property and uh we appreciate consideration and be happy to address any question you all may have. Thanks and council member Gilbert. Mr. Adams, just want to thank you for
working with the city and working with the council for for those stipulations and and we appreciate the partnership and what you're going to bring forward to this commercial development. Uh, as you know, we know the city needs it. So, I just want to thank you. A lot of times we're at end, but you're really stoked
to plate. I just want to say thank you very much. Thank you for taking care of it for me. I give to you. Yeah. Thank you, John. Uh, would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right. And with that, can I get a motion? Motion to approve. Motion
approved. Thank you, Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Gilbert, Deputy Mayor Fletcher, Hi, Council Member Paul. Hi, Council Member Urban. Hi, Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries 5 Z. And can I get a motion for item number
12? Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. Hi. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries
5. And can I get a motion for item number 13? Move to approve. Second. Motion to approve. C. Deputy mayor Fletcher. Second from council member. Item clerk. Please call the role. Council member Paul. Hi. Council member. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I.
Motion carries 5. All right. Item 14 has moved to the June. Item 15 16 move to June. Madam clerk, please read item number 17 into the record. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-38. An ordinance of the city council of St.
City of St. Cloud, Florida to annex into the city of St. Cloud approximately plus minus 2 acres identified as Primal School of St. Cloud located east of South Musli Road and North Ralph Road south of Diten Road and Drive and West of Hackne Road in accordance with the voluntary annex annexation provisions of
chapter 171.044 Florida statutes. public hearing for ordinance number 2025-39 an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud Florida signing a future education commercial approximately plus minus 2 acres identified as Primo School St. cloud located east of South Darusi Road north
of Ralph Miller Road and south of Dson Drive west of Hacking Road providing for amending of the future future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendation proof of publication applicability effectility copies of file and effective date a final public hearing for
ordinance number 2025-40 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Paul Florida providing a zoning amendment the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 2 acres identified as per criminal school St. cloud from USM urban settlement manufactured
product county to HP highway business zoning designation with commercial commercial future designation generally located east of South Larusi road south of Dson drive west of Hacking Road providing for entering the designation official zoning map planning
recommendation planning commission's recommendations proof of publication durability and effective date good even director of community development these cases before you tonight are for the annexation, comprehensive plan amendment, and zoning map amendment for
the project known as Primrose Schools St. Cloud. This request meets the statutory requirements and is consistent with our joint planning agreement with Oyola County as it is continuous to city limits and reasonably
compact. The existing county future land use is low density residential. The existing county zoning designation is US-m um stands for urban settlement manufactured
product. The requested city landing is commercial and the requested city zoning is highway business. This request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities. Here's a graphic
representation of the subject parcel highlighted there. You'll see that it is contiguous to city limits, which is the um area shaded in yellow. And here's the graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the county's future land
use of low density residential. You'll notice that it is directly adjacent to commercial land use. And here's the uh graphic representation of the zoning map um depicting the US-m zoning
district. Honor before March 31st, 2025, staff recommended approval. Planning Commission also recommended approval. Likewise, it is requested that city council approve ordinance number 2025-38 for the annexation,
2025-39 for the comprehensive plan amendment, and 2025-40 for the zoning map amendment for the project known as Primrose Schools at St. Cloud. And at this time, staff is available for questions. I'm not sure if the applicant
is here. Yes. Would the applicant like to speak? Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Mikefield Engineering, 400 North Ashley Drive, Sweet 1915 Tampa, Florida. Our team is in agreement with the findings and staff's report. We
kindly ask that you move forward with the approval for the recommendations of both staff and commission questions. Thank you, sir. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Fine. With that, can I get a
motion? Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Council member Urban. Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Madam Clerk, please call the role. Council member Urban. I. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. I. Mayor Robertson. Hi.
Motion carries. 5 Z. And can I get a motion for item number 18? Motion. Second. Motion approved. Council member Gilbert. Second from Deputy Mayor. I'm sorry. Council member Urban, clerk, please call the role. Council
member Gilbert, hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, hi. Council member Paul, hi. Council member Urban, hi. Mayor Robertson, I. Motion carries. 5B. Uh, and can I get a motion for item number 19? Motion to approve. Motion approved from Council Member Urban.
Second. Second from Council Member Paul. Madam clerk, please call the role. Deputy Mayor Fletcher, Council Member Paul. Hi, Council Member Urban. Hi, Council Member Gilbert. Hi, Mayor Roberts. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for sticking
around. And Madame Clerk, please read item number 2021 into the record. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-41, an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. South Florida signing land use designation medium density residential to approximately plus - 1.64
acres identified as Palm properties located east of Nusi Road north of East Earl Bronson Memorial Highway south of Lilian Road west of Puffin Road providing for amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following on the planning re planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability
effect severability copies on file and effective date. Final public hearing for ordinance number 2025-42 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cloud Florida pro combining a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cloud Florida specifically chang the zoning
designation approximately plus - 1.64 64 acres identified as pond properties from AC agricultural to R2 single family dwelling zoning designation with a medium density residential feature land use map design land use designation generally located of east narusi road norththeast of robots highway south of
Lian Lee road west of Puff Road providing for designation of the official zoning map following the planning commission's recommendation for publications availability and effective date good evening Dunclan director of community development these cases Before you tonight are for the comprehensive
plan amendment and the zoning map amendment for the project known as Palm Properties. The existing county future land use is located at city residential and the existing county zoning is agricultural. The requested city land use is medium density residential and
the requested zoning for the city is um R2 single family dwelling. This request is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on city facilities. Here's a graphic representation of the future land use map depicting the current county's low
density residential land use for context. And here's a map showing the county's current zoning district of agricultural. on or before March 3rd, 2025. Staff
recommended approval. Uh planning commission also recommended approval. We are requesting tonight that city council also approved ordinance number 2025-41 for the comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance number
2025-42 for the zoning map amendment. And at this time, staff is available for questions and I believe the applicant is present. Correct. Thank you. And would the applicant like to speak on this item? Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?
And can I get a motion on item number 20? Motion to approve. We have a motion approved. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Second. Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Paul. I. Council member Irvin. Council member Gilbert. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion
carries 5. And can we get a motion for item number 21? Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. No, you got it. Second from Council Member Gilbert. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. Council member Urban. Hi.
Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Spectre. Hi. Council member Paul. Hi. Mayor Robertson. I. Motion carries 5. How do you know? I'm just trying to move this along. I'm ready to
go. Where are we? Thank you, Chief. Some people have flights to catch and other people have training tomorrow morning at 9:00. As a reminder, I'm gonna ask for your name and record. Um, Madame Clerk, please read item number 22, public hearing for ordinance number 2025-15, an
emergency ordinance of the city of St. Cloud, Florida, imposing a ban on open burning with a within the corporate limits of the city of St. Cloud providing for servability conflicts and effective date. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Jason Miller, fire chief. Before you um ordinance number
2025-50 press approval for this ordinance, this will all outside burning unless it goes through a chimney system. Um twofold. This will take care of the land clearing problems that we've had in the past. The other being that we have a little drought going on even though rain
still not enough. So obviously recommends approval ordinance. Um you'll have a future ordinance come back before you that's a little has a little more parameters but right now we have good question. Uh so the fire
marshall or you would take the hand off when needed at this point. This puts all the power under city council. In the future, we're going to have a a better ordinance for you that will have parameters in there where it could automatically come off. The chief is out of state when we're finishing up. There is a provision that allows the chief
based on the drought conditions to remove this emergency ban. The chief not to be the chief to do that. Chief and he works with the fire. We're putting the ban on now because the county's got theirs, but we're going to do ours. You know, this is an immediate ban to address the the urgent condition that's
going on with the drought. The premise is to by at your July by your at your July meeting where we will have an ordinance for final adoption. You'll see it on first reading and introduction in June and in July which will pro provide greater detail parameters for permitting
and for the fire chief based on the drought conditions to stop all permitting if necessary and to reinstitute it as needed based on the drought conditions. Okay. Council member, I'm fine with this. Obviously, I just would like in the future for some
of these emergency ordinances to have some sort of automatic expiration date. I'm always skeptical of giving government limited authority. I know. That's why that's why that's why skeptical, mayor. Well, under this under this one, as the city attorney said, um
the authority falls back under me. Um, and I can tell you typically what the measuring bar is for these ordinances as far as the county is once there's one week solid underneath the drought index number of 500 on the KPBI that the ordinance is lifted
basically. Um, then once it's 500 again, which frequently happens, they put it back in effect. It's kind of a yo-yo through the summer months um until we get some more rain. So awesome. Yeah. And by the way, I drove by where apparently Lightning's struck a tree off of Michigan Avenue there and we drove by
right after it was on fire. But your guys were amazing putting it out and it was You don't remember when Steven Smith was on fire, did you? I do. I was the incident commander of that fire. It was not fun. That was lightning. I guess that was like eight years ago. It
was very windy that day and the fire got got open really fast. So yeah, we had a lot of mutual aid and if we handle that one just like we have all the future ones that come our way. Cool. Um, so you've already set a threshold of when it Yes, sir. conditions get better then.
Okay, you'll know better. Thank you. Got it covered. And can I get a motion on item number 22? Motion. Second. Motion from council member Gilbert. Second from Council Member Urban. Madame Clerk, please call the role. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul.
Hi. Council member Urban. Hi, Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries 5. Thank you, Chief. You're dismissed. Oh, is it? Yes. Fire station. Hopefully. Oh, yeah. We've already done the Okay.
Madam Clerk, please read resolution 2025-073R. Resolution number 2025-073R. A resolution of the city of city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, authorizing the city manager to enter into a task authorization to the contract and the agreement for construction manager at risk for fire
station rebid with Arnco Construction Inc. dated March 5th, 2025 for fire station 32 and any amendments there two and providing an effective date. Good evening, Jason Miller, fire chief again. 2025-073R is for the construction
manager at risk services to construct the 17,000 square foot fire station 32. The former fire station 32 facility has been inactive for a few months. We've had them in a temporary facility. As many of you know, the new fire station 32 will have four apparatus bays. We'll
be able to staff up to 13 personnel at that station planning for the future growth. The former logistics building at the site will become the physical fitness facility for the firefighters. They'll also offer some services to the other city employees out of that building. Her request is to enter into a
task authorization for construction manager at risk services for fire station 32 with ARC code. We have ARCO representatives here like to talk to them and our recommendation is for approval. Um resolution 202573R will approve the task authorization with AR
co for the construction of this the resolution number 20252R approved on February 1325. The budget is 12,494,45387 and this is coming out of capital projects project
21104 and I'm not sure if the other slide made it in there. Um, staff recommends approval and we request council do the same. Thank you, chief. And can are there any comments from the audience? All right. And can we get a motion to
approve? Motion approved. Council member Urban. Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Madam Cler, please call the role. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Council member Paul. Hi. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries 5-0. Thank you very much. And I'm sure our
firefighters do also. Thank you. I think Chief Kirky thinks you're our favorite child. He had consent agenda. [Laughter] All right, give me one second here. And so next up we have uh Madame
Clerk, please read item number three, discussion and possible action regarding appointments to boards and committees for vacancies for the historic preservation board and planning commission. City clerk. Um yes, thank you, mayor. Uh the only um actually tonight you should have received an email that Megan
Marshall has requested to resend her resignation for the planning commission. And so the only appointments that we would have tonight would be for the two alternates for historic preservation board. If you could please make your nominations and then one motion at the end.
was uh Elizabeth Lamog, was she on this board already? Previously, remember she was? Yes. Yeah. I believe I got a I had received communication from her as to why wanting to be on there and
this is before um we had vacancy. So I'd like to nominate Elizabeth Leu Lamug for an alternate alternate one. Vote on both at the same time. Yeah, if you can get another nomination. Yeah, we need to fill alterate number two. So if
anyone anyone has a I would like to nominate Carmen Hernandez. Motion to approve the nominations. We have a motion from council member second to approve the nominations. We have a second from de uh council member. Madam clerk, please call the role.
Council member Paul. Hi. Council member Urban. Hi. Council member Gilbert. Hi. Deputy Mayor Fletcher. Hi. Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries 5. All right. The next items on the agenda are ordinances before the council for first reading and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize
the publication of the ordinance for a final hearing. The council will not take final action on the item tonight. Full presentation and public input on the ordinances will occur at the final hearing at which the council will consider final action. There are no first readings and
introductions at this time. And now we have comments from the city attorney. I do not have anything, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. And anything from the city manager? I'm sorry, I have a a list go quickly. Um first, um Senator Arrington has
requested to hold remote office hours providing assistance and information to residents at the community center um for events for two to three hours. Approval wave fees associated with that. I believe you said it was
just for a few months, right? Four events was what was on the email. Four events were what was listed on the email. So we could just say for the four events they were one per month. So there going to be an event that it's open to the public. Okay. Who advertised? She
she'll advertise. I think that's a good thing for that's not open. I think I had two. I don't Is that open hours? That was a paying to staffing. we we're have the
facility open with staff in the building at that time. Yeah, that's what I was asking. It's open. Okay. Um thank you. Um just wanted to point out there's not many left here. Maybe still watching. Um if you notice this time we put the
business plan update on the agenda underformational reports. just trying to bring some greater awareness of all the accomplishments that we've been making and the status on our projects to the citizens. So, I just wanted to point out it's in the business plan update. This was the first time we did it, which I
think was a great idea. We also um have added that new update uh to the website under the strategic plan tab if anybody wants to see where we're at with that. The speed zone cameras are operational now. Um the school zone, the school
zones. Yes. Thank you. Sorry, the speed zone. They are speaking, but they're only for the school zones. I'm tired. Um, but congratulations to our communications department who won first
place for the city's podcast um at the Florida Municipal Communicators Association. Um, they for the outstanding category. So, we're very proud of them. tomorrow 9:00 am. Don't skip it because you're
tired. We will have a training at the fire training building. It is the ICS for elected officials. And we do have a special guest joining us. So, um Kevin Guthrie, the emergency management director for the state of Florida is going to be joining us remotely for for
some of that tomorrow. Um, tomorrow the city will be receiving an award the engineering award at the Central Florida Safety Summit for our success on the crosswalk project at Linger and Peg Horn. I'm not sure if any
of you were on the board at the time. We had a resident come up multiple times and and ask for us to do some improvements at that intersection. Um and so our engineering department determined that a rapid flashing beacon
sign was the best solution and then we had to deal with delays um getting so she came where did you say the intersection pegorn and budding okay um there's a flashing light there flashing beacon sign and so she came
multiple times asking for updates and you know so I think it's amazing because really this was a citizen that asked us for it we we met you know we're council gave us direction, continued pushing. I'm not sure if any of you were on the board at the time, but we're winning an award for that tomorrow. Um, and then
since we put in that those flashing beacon signs with the support of the police department, um, who did the best best foot forward program out there, we so between the two, we had increased the yield rates from 31% to 81%. So, it's
just substantial. So great job to the people involved and that's very nice. All right. And now we have council comments. So I'll go ahead and start with council Paul. So for the month of
May um if you don't know um this month is acknowledged by um teachers, nurses and law enforcement. So, I want to say publicly thank you to everyone that is in that career field for all you do for the St. Cloud community. So, thank you.
Council member Urban, just one thing. Um, I had expressed to staff my uh frustration with how we're getting such low quality I think businesses within the highway business zoning district. Um, I've been
told I can't name them specifically, but we all know what we're talking about here. The businesses that don't create jobs, they are overly abundant in our city. It's very annoying to see applications of them coming in uh over and over again, taking over our valuable
highway business and commercial space. I would like to see if the council would uh be interested in directing staff to look at our highway business uses and possibly removing some of those uh um repeat offenders uh for lack of a
better term. I mean, yeah, I'm definitely open. Is that um is that something we can do, Dan? We're gonna have to look at more specifically all conditions. All conditional. Yeah, we we'd have to look at them and see what is typically there
ways to implement overlay districts. However, you have to specifically identify in separate categories. Like you can't have an overlay district and simply say no specific kind of retail, right? I I know the uses that he's he's
asking for within the table of permissible uses. They're already specifically called out individually as being permitted. So, I think what he's asking for is that we would remove it as permitted or make it a conditional use. Yeah. Yeah. I think we have because what if the other ones because I agree
there's an abundance of them. But let's fast forward. What if those others go out of business? None open up. Well, if that's right, if we make it as condition, yes, make it as condition. It's not
prohibited. It's just allowed on those specifications and each time it have to come back in front of the city council. What would the conditions that we would have to do to not? So if it's conditional use, we can we don't have to give it and there's not anything that in in law that says we have to give it
until they fit sort of criteria. Right. That's correct. But the conditions are we think there's 12. We're sort of talking generically. The conditions for any condition use are specific related to the use. So you really can't speculate as to what are you know that
make sense? Okay. So we have to follow the use and then we can see what conditions apply with the overall the overall concept behind a conditional use is it's use but not otherwise permitted but with the right conditions may be
allowed in a particular area. There's a lot of flexibility for reviewing agency the council to look at it then say we just can't get the right conditions to allow this in this area if that makes sense. But yes, I'm with you.
I have consensus. Thank you. And we have Deputy Mayor Fletcher. And Council Member Gilbert. Uh just one thing I'd like to note uh today at the meeting and we had public comment. I thought a few of those public commenters
were went way beyond their uh time limit of speaking and I know we interact with them. You see when people get upset, I can mention names, but if we allow them to go further, they just get they get revved up and all of a sudden we're
we're trying to accommodate it, but we're really not. We're putting some gasoline in there. So, I don't know how we do it, uh, please chief, or how we, you know, make the decorum here professional because I I've seen other council meetings and they've gone array.
I just don't want these to go ray. So I I don't know how we addressed that mayor council one in particular there's there's two that really went over I just personally you know that and I just see it escalating we don't stop it that's
just my opinion and at the leisure of the council if you guys are okay with it but you know I I don't know it just it just we we're so accommodating I don't know if we really need to allow that I I
can say the the first one to salute um he had three separate issues he had to get off his chest. That's the only reason why I gave him more time on I didn't anticipate the end result
obviously that was a surprise. Um and the other one I think that was just uh we got to let cooler heads prevail with that but that whole community is frustrated right now. I say hold there's there's a few of them that are are frustrated and
I think we can work through that situation but yeah this is not the place to I mean everybody's free to yell at us at least me I don't care but um maybe we should right 17 and when they give me the
double word I'm following I'm sorry I was just a joke it's 11 o' I will tighten. It was just a joke. I apologize. No, I do agree. Yeah, it's not comfortable when when
people and maybe we when it I'll do a better job of toning it down, trying to talk them down a little. I don't know. I I just think we're so accommodating and let's have next month. What a great idea. All right. Is that it?
I have no comments. Um, thank you staff. Thank you for staying late, Kelly. Appreciate you. Um, Scott, everybody here, Jim here. Good to see you. You could have brought us coffee, you know.
No, but thank you. Um, all right. Next information section, report section. Tuesday, May 13, 2025, the community redevelopment agency meeting, 1:30 p.m. at city hall. Tuesday, May 20th, 2025, city council workshop, 9:00 am at city
hall. Oh, I think the CRA meeting is at I thought it was at 1:30. That's what it says. 1:30, but it says But it says 3:30. Mine says 1:30. Oh, there. Okay. Okay. Next one's Monday, 20 May 26, 2025. City offices will be closed in obser
observance of the Memorial Day holiday which I know will be over at Memorial at Tuesday, May 27th, 2025 special city council meeting 6:30 p.m. at city hall. Tuesday, June 5th, 2025, community redevelopment agency meeting 3:30 p.m.
at city hall. Thursday, June 12th, 2025, city council meeting 6:30 p.m. at city hall. H says 6:30 on my list. It was a typo again. I was on this. Yeah, it was on I
was laughing. Sorry. 6340. All right. And we have the fiscal year 2024 2025 citywide business plan two and a list number seven. And with that, we are journ