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to our council meeting in the interest of time efficiency in ensuring that everyone who wishes to address the council is given the opportunity to do so the following will apply to all comments made by the public each speaker will be allotted three minutes to address the council unless such time is extended by the mayor or questions from
councel group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments every effort shall be made to avoid interrupting speakers for your information the items listed in section 11 of your agenda are for first reading and introduction and Council will not
take final action on them tonight if you have questions on those items please see City staff in the back of the chambers thank you for participating in your city government and I call this meeting to order and uh first uh can we all please stand
for the invocation by father Derek Salon Dana from the St Tom aquinus Catholic Church thank you let us bow our heads in prayer good and gracious God we give you thanks for the gift of this day and for
the gift of life we thank you for blessing us with the beautiful city of St Cloud where we get to live and raise a family in a special way today we ask your blessings on our mayor council members and City officials grant them
the wisdom they need to make decisions that will Foster unity and peace and always serve the common good May our discussions today be productive and focused on a vision for the future that
inspires hope inclusion and prosperity we ask you to give us Clarity of purpose strength of character and respect for one another as we work together towards a brighter tomorrow may our words and actions
always give you glory and honor we ask this in your most precious name amen amen thank you Father council member Gilbert will you please leave us in the pledge of allegiance of ALG to the flag of the United States of America to the
stands na indivisible andice all right thank you Father and will the city clerk please call the role mayor Robertson here Deputy Mayor
Fletcher here council member Paul here council member Urban here council member Gilbert here and Deputy city manager do you have any updates thank you good evening mayor and Council uh just to updates uh we're
requesting to move item number seven uh to move that before item number four just so that we have that procedurally and then the other item just to have it on the record is for anyone who is here uh as the uh Christ
centered academics was continued to tonight's meeting uh if you'll notice it's not on the agenda and the reason being is that they have withdrawn their application so just wanted to make sure everyone was aware if anyone was here for that item this evening that's all
all right thank you Deputy city manager and now for our presentation section we have a presentation of employee the month by Donald Rose good evening my name is Donald Rose deputy director of Human Resources and I'm here to present the March employee
of the month to Wanda espanol Wanda is our employee experience specialist and she is dedicated to ensuring employees have the support that they need from their first day to their last what sets Wanda apart is her passion for people and her commitment to Improvement she
cares deeply about making a difference which is evident in everything that she does recently the city transition to a new healthc care provider at our employee Clinic a major change requiring new procedures for onboarding our newly hired employees though not assigned to
the transition Wanda took the initiative and worked directly with the provider's corporate team to create an efficient process streamline paperwork and integrate digital forms to make the transition as seamless as possible for our employees and also the clinic staff
her efforts did not go unnoticed at one of the meetings with the provider's corporate team they praised Wanda for creating one of the most organized transitions they had ever seen by embodying our core values of ownership and Innovation Wanda didn't just adapt to change she improved the process for
everyone involved her dedication has made a real impact on making our city an even better place to work please join me in congratulating Wanda espanol for her efforts and for being the March employee of the month thank you they one though
I'm have to put my glasses on for this now sorry all right now like to uh if I can have a motion to approve the below proclamations uh Proclamation and recognition of March for Meals by mayor Robertson to Anna Aro aroyo is that
right and I'd like to make a motion on that second we have a second by Deputy Mayor Fletcher all those in favor stay I I all those opposed mayor excuse me roll call oh we got to do a roll call you got it uh Madam clerk please call the role
council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Zer all right now for the proclamation whereas the city of St Cloud makes every e effort to recognize programs that make significant
contributions to the quality of life for residents of the city of St Cloud and Ula County and whereas the Ula Council on Aging and its senior nutrition program serve those who are ill frail elderly nutritionally at risk or disabled and whereas by providing meals
and other nutrition services senior nutrition programs enable in individuals to live independently in their homes and avoid premature institutionalization it's a long word and whereas in 2024 the C Council on Aging touched the live of
296,000 residents in the city of St Cloud and Oola and whereas Meals on Wheels provides important daily social contact for homebound individuals and whereas senior dining clubs provide not only a nutritious noon meal but
socialization and whereas one of the goals of senior nutrition programs is to ensure no senior goes to bed hungry and whereas senior nutrition programs are Community Based and rely on the support of the Community Resources both human and Financial in order to achieve their
goals and whereas the osula Council on aging's Meals on Wheels program has operated an Ula County for 54 years providing services to the frail and vulnerable residents of our community whereas senior nutrition programs across Florida and throughout the United States are participating in
the March for meals campaign in order to increase public awareness of the work and needs of senior nutrition programs and to raise funds and recruit volunteers to assist in the the delivery of meals and other nutrition services now therefore I Christian B Robertson mayor along with
the city council of the city of St Cloud do hereby Proclaim March 2025 to be known as March for meals and senior nutrition month in OA County so thank you all right and Anna I believe we do
have the March for meals this Saturday right yes o all right i' now like to have a if I can get a motion to approve the below Proclamation a proclamation and recognition of water conservation month by council member Urban to Rodney Tilly motion to approve motion approved from
council member Urban second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the RO council member Urban I council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z yeah all
right whereas water is one of the most valuable natural resources that is an essential need of every living creature and whereas Clean safe and sustainable water resources and supplies are vital to the city of St Cloud's economy environment and residents and whereas
the State of Florida too Water Authority and the City of St Cloud are working together to increase awareness about the importance of water conservation and whereas all water users including commercial industrial agricultural institutional Hospitality private citizens and others can make positive
contributions to reduce water and use uh and protect Florida's water resources and whereas the city of St Cloud in the State of Florida has designated April as water conservation month to educate citizens about how they can help save precious water resources and whereas the city of St CLA is committed to setting a
good example for its citizens regarding water conservation now therefore I Colby Urban council member along with the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida do hereby recognize April 2025 as water conservation month we get a picture with
the okay nice to see you coach all right next we have a presentation by sand Gutman from the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 176 to police chief Doug gerky my name is Sam Gutman I'm the uh president of fernal order Police Lodge
176 of Central Florida and first I want to thank the uh mayor and the Council for allowing us to do this presentation here in front of the citizens and Council each year our lodge recognizes a leader and law enforcement with the leadership award and this year it is
your Chief Douglas giry now let me tell you why I'll tell you why a little bit why he is that person little bit about chief giry chief giry was raised in Long Island New York and that's not the reason he's getting the award but but he's always had this desire to serve the
public when he was 18 years old 18 years old he joined a fire department he was on a fire department for 10 years he joined various ambulance services he was Advanced medical technician and EMT um then he moved on and became an
NYPD police officer working out of Flatbush Brooklyn and I don't know how many of you know where that is but it is he moved on to Orlando Florida and was hired by the Orlando Police Department in 2001 and then Rose to the level of Deputy Chief of the Atlanta Police
Department he did a lot of task force operations with Homeland Security while with OPD uh commanding assignments technical patrols uh he's he's done many different things within critical incidents and and checking you know doing things for terrorism to keep our
community safe he's always been that individual to keep the community safe thinking of Community First so once he in in 2022 he was honored to be selected as your police chief here in St Cloud and
believe me it it is an honor to have him here as your police chief he is he has more energy than anybody I know I I don't know how he does it but he does he was selected as the police chief St Cloud each and every day is safer because of the heroes the First
Responders the firefighters and the brave men and women of the St Cloud Police Department under leadership especially under Chief giry it is my honor and uh to to recognize Chief giry with this award
from the paternal Order of Police I would like each of us to join in and recognize Chief giry with the with 2024 leadership award from the Fraternal Order police for being a great leader and a great Chief thank you
you Je yeah Chief kiry you are amazing you know that we tell you that every day we are on record we can't hide it um first time I met the the chief he was in the running for it uh I think uh I guess
they said 20122 uh December he was down he wasn't even hired yet and he was down hanging out for the the Christmas U event downtown St Cloud here I think there were three people still in the running at the time and came up introduced himself to us we had a booth there for the military Museum and he's
he's been just amazing ever since so we thank you Chief thank you for keeping us safe and and really doing a great job and all of your officers there all right next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda which contains items that have been deemed to be routine and noncontroversial if anyone in the audience wishes to
address particular issue on the consent agenda now is the opportunity for you to do so additionally if staff or members of the city council wish to speak on the consent item they may have the same opportunity and would any council member like to speak on any item
or pull anything from the consent if not I can get a motion just want to clarify yes sir council member Gilbert yeah the U resolution a where the uh city is um doing our infrastructure
turning over to uh to to uh Capital Improvements then those will be the improvements of uh our our subsidiaries and they will be um they will have the responsibility maintaining all those assets is that that correct yeah that's correct you're
talking about item a on the on the uh yes sir so item a is to basically the bill authorize the city manager to sign off on bill of sales which transfer ownership of the water and sewer infrastructure that's built on city property to the Toho Water Authority
under the management agreement with too Authority they then become the responsible party for all the future maintenance of the of that infrastructure thank you Dan and that was just clarification want to make sure that they're responsible for that all right can I get a motion on the
consent agenda motion to approve motion to approve council member Gilbert second second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher Madame Madame clerk we still going with you madam clerk please call the RO council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member
Urban hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z I say that because they're going to change it up here in a second so Ivy confuses me every meeting with something there's some curve balls all right next to Citizens form any person who desires to comment on any
item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council each person has requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person addresses the council would anyone in the audience like to address the city
council today all right we have a bunch of happy people today I love it all right our next section will be public hearings and will a k clerk please read final public hearing for ordinance number 2025
d10 final public hearing for ordinance number 2025 d10 an ordinance ordinance of the city council of the city of St CLA Florida amending chapter 3 Performance and sighting standard of the Land Development code by amending article 14 titled special purpose and
overlay districts by adding section 3.13.0 Marina and docking facilities to establish standards for commercial Marina and docking facilities providing for cability scribers errors conflict administrative correction codification
publication and effective date good evening Melissa dunan director of Community Development this request before you tonight is for an amendment to the Land Development code to add uh standards for the marina and docking facilities uh this amendment will
establish minimum requirements for the permitting sighting design construction and operation of commercial marinas uh the standards will apply to any commercial public recreational and or private Marina that is on or adjacent to
water and contains five or more slips provides birthing for one or more um headboats vessels vessel maintenance or repair yards boat ramps fueling or vessel maintenance facilities and boat transfer
facilities this amendment will not apply to private marinas and docking facilities for personal use only any facility that's in compliance with an adopted conceptual master plan Marina and docking facilities on man-made lakes or water man Management systems and
repair or replacement of existing Marina facilities that do not increase boating capacity for recreational or private marinas the required Shoreline shall be owned by the homeowners association or similar entity and placed in a separate
track to restrict individual boat access um this Amendment sets forth Landscaping requirements and prohibits fertilizer or permanent irrigation and prohibits alteration to the like or to like depth or dredging staff recommends approval
Planning Commission also recommended approval on their meeting at Fe at the February 8th sorry February 18th 2025 Planning Commission meeting and tonight we are requesting that Council approve this ordinance that this is a city
initiated item so staff is available for questions all right thank you would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item all right council member Urban uh thank you mayor I just wanted to say we um had a workshop on talking
about wanting to protect our Lakes natural resources here in the city of St Cloud and this is a the first of hopefully many steps that we take to protect those lakes and natural resources in the city of St Cloud so just wanted to thank step for bringing this forward and I will happily make a
motion to approve that all right thanks count thank you council member Urban yeah uh as council member Urban stated uh there was a workshop it but it started here in a council meeting council member Urban brought it up he he uh grew up around the Lakes over there and had concerns and so we talked about in a workshop and
now it's here so that's how your local government works so thank you for bringing that up all right can I get a motion to approve second NOP you want to make the motion I'm sorry he Oh I thought I'm so sorry make a motion to approve yes we
have a motion from counc member Urban second a second from council member Paul clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson here I motion carries 5
Z you trck me up again now so he's reading you're taking the V okay thought you were just GNA sit silent the rest of the night and I was in my head thinking about great things to say about you all right with the clerk please uh
item number two final public notice for ordinance number 2025 D12 final public hearing for ordinance number 2025 D12 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida to Annex into the city of stcloud approximately 4.63 Acres identified as
Nona Town Homes located east of nusi Road north of East erlo Bronson Memorial Highway south of Lilian Lee Road West of puffin Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 17144 Florida
Statutes would you like me to read yes mayor if it's okay if we can read ordinance number 202-1342 25-13 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida assigning a future land use designation medium
density residential to approximately 17.64% ified as Nona Town Homes located east of nusi Road north of East ear Bronson Memorial Highway south of Lilian Le Road West of puffin Road providing for amending the official future land
use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective date good evening Melissa dunan director of Community Development this request
before you tonight is for an annexation and comprehensive plan Amendment for the project known as Nona Town Homes the subject property is approximately 4.63 acres and is contiguous to city limits on their Western Southern and Eastern property
boundaries and is reasonably compact the existing County land use is lowdensity residential with an agricultural zoning here's a graphic representation of the parcel that is being annexed um it is again contiguous to the city
limits on the western eastern and southern property boundaries um just please make note here that you'll see four Parcels that are highlighted there however the um Southern three Parcels are already in the city so the
annexation only applies to the top parcel that is um highlighted in pink and then um the other three Parcels along with this parcel is part of the comprehensive plan Amendment so the existing future land use is um the
County's designation of low density residential for the one parcel that's not annexed yet and it has the city's low density residential for the three Parcels that are already annexed and the proposed future land use or requested
future land use is medium density residential um that is compatible with the surrounding area and will have no adverse impacts on City facilities and here's the graphic representation showing all of the parcels um again the
top top parcel is low density residential County and the bottom three are low density residential um City staff recommends approval Planning Commission also recommends approval and it's requested that this Council approve
ordinance number 225-242 25-13 for the comprehensive plan Amendment changing the land use from low density residential to medium density residential and staff is available if you have any questions I believe the applicant is also present all right Melissa can you go back two slides
please oh sure to the the zoning the um so all that's commercial that south of it was that not going in was that not zone for apartments or multif family at one point correct correct it is still um zoned commercial so however they have't approved
conditional use for apartments on the Northern side of that larger parcel on the southern side they have set that aside for um I believe they're planning on doing retail at at the southermost along um us 182 okay but there can still be commercial on that on the whole cor
everything there yes sir I know it's not part of the these properties but I'm just looking at what's contain you are correct yes thank you and would the applicant like to speak on this item hello Cameron handle a Broadway semi Florida 34741 and I'm here to answer any
questions you guys have all right thank you and would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item with none do I have any Council comments and can I entertain a motion please motion to approve a motion from Deputy Mayor
Fletcher second uh you good you council member Urban council member Paul second but I was just going to make a comment that um I had discussions with staff earlier um at our briefing and there is going to eventually be a light on puff and road
and in 192 so there's um improvements in the works on the roads there to interconnect everything on the way so just wanted to point that out and I will that's all okay thank you all right and we have a second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the role
council member Paul I council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z yeah we need a motion on the other item too oh oh that's right I'm sorry yeah we
have we need can I get a motion for uh public hearing for ordinance number 2025 D13 motion to approve motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the role council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher
hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z all right as the deputy City maner had mentioned uh we're going to go ahead and bring item number seven up and will the clerk
please read the next item public hearing for resolution number 2025 d045 r a resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida approving the settlement agreement with hickory tree industrial LLC and Hickory
Place Industrial Park Property Owners Association Inc to resolve the pending dispute under Section 7051 Florida Statutes related to the city council's denial of a future land use and Zoning change for property located south of US Highway 192 and west
of Hickory Tree Road authorizing the mayor to execute the settlement agreement and providing an effect effective date and Mary since we're going to be talking about them all together could we read items four and five into the record to please yes final public hearing for ordinance
number 2023 d47 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation of industrial to approximately 3.47 Acres identified as hi replace Industrial Park lot one located west of iory Tree Road and south of East erlo
Bronson Memorial Highway providing for amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective
date final public hearing for ordinance number number 202348 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida resoning 3.47 Acres identified as hi repl Industrial Park lot one from Highway
business to I3 industrial 3 compatible with an industrial future land use designation adopted by ordinance number 20234 and establishing an industrial plan unit development generally located west of Hickory Tree Road and south of East ear Bronson Memorial Highway
providing for entering the designation of the on the official Sony map filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication several ability and effective date all right thank you City attorney thank you Mr Mayor as was read by the
deputy clerk this item before you has to do with the this pending the pending hickory tree industrial matter that's as you're all very familiar with uh but just as a brief history it goes back to November of 2023 when the city council at the time denied a l change and a
zoning change for the particular property the applicant that that they write under as they are entitled to do Under the Florida statute uh challenge those denials under the process that's referred to as the 7051 statutory process which is essentially an alternative dispute resolution Pro
process for land for land owners the the we initiated the process and as you're all familiar with it came back before the city council a couple times on proposed settlements of it and then ultimately the the the ultimate uh step was to have an administrative hearing in
front of the appropriate the appointed special magistrate that did in fact occur on January 28th of this year uh we had a special had administrative hear for the special magistrate and the special magistrate issued a recommended order on February 5th that
the essentially the review that is required under the statute by the special magistrate in this matters matter is to find is to determine whether the City council's action that it took in November M of 2023 was unreasonable or unfairly burdened a property owner uh so there were two
actions that were that the city denied in November of 2023 there was an laneous amendment and then there was the zoning change the lanus amendment was to change the property from meanus of commercial to Industrial and the zoning uh denial was denied an application to change it
from Highway business to I2 at the time uh after the administrative hearing the special mate issued a recommended order and and it's important for this process tonight to realize it is a recommended order and that recommended order was that the city council's November denial
of the land use change was unreasonable and unfairly burdened the property however the special Magistrate's recommendation was with regard to the zoning was that the the zoning tal was not unreasonable and did not unfairly
burden the property however she went further to make to deter to to recommend that the city council reconsider that denial to create a plan unit development industrial PUD that and essentially providing that PUD that the this parcel
that the frankly the existing concrete crushing facility that was on that parcel not be allowed to remain on that property under that under that PUD that was her recommendation statutorily once that recommendation was issued on February 5th the city council has 45
days to consider that recommendation and and can do one of three things it can either accept the recommendation as presented it can reject the recommendation or it can accept the recommendation and modify it um so that's why this item originally came
back for you to be on your agenda tonight during that since February 5th and prior to tonight we received a essentially an offer from the applicant to resolve all pending matters related to this property as you are aware there's also current code enforcement
action that's been uh that was initiated by the city with regard to this property the applicant did uh initiate this a similar alternative dispute process related to that code enforcement process that that that process has been abated now awaiting the outcome of of this
particular uh matter uh the offer that was submitted to for the city to consider with to Res was to resolve all of the items the lanus issues the zoning issue the continued existence of the concrete crushing facility on the property and the code enforcement so
that's what that's what the settlement agreement is is before you tonight it's important for you I think for you to understand that if the council does not want to move forward with the resolution as it as it we're going to discuss tonight the council still has to take action to either again reject the
recommended order that from the special magistrate accept it or accept it with some other modification so we have to take action on that in in in one way or the other at least you do have to take action on it so the so the settlement terms that are before you as I as said
were in were offered to essentially uh resolve all the matters they are in our view consistent with the recommendation that the special magistrate has put in place um they are as I said earlier uh the it would the the agreement would
provide that the Lan use for this and we're talking only about what's referred to as parcel one which is the parcel where concrete crushing facility is located the land use uh would be changed from commercial to Industrial uh and the zoning would be
changed from Highway business to Industrial Park District I3 now the reason why it would be changed to I3 is because I3 under the city code is the only industrial zoning that allows for an industrial PUD right so as I as I said earlier the special Magistrate's
recommendation was to have an industrial p on on the property as part of that as you're very familiar with plan unit developments it allows for a essentially a negotiated uh resolution or creation of a let's call it a zoning category that
only applies to that particular property so as part of the settlement the Pud uh would include a limitation on the permitted uses that could be on that property and essentially what that would mean is if this is approved by the city council then from now until anytime in
the future unless that zoning is rechanged at a future meeting down the road this only those permitted uses could occur on the property right so the agreement includes permitted uses uh staff has looked at the permitted uses uh they they they are we believe
consistent with a lighter uh industrial use of that property than uh than has been occurring on that for a while and I think uh staff is okay with the listing of the permitted uses that are in there and their part of your packet and if at the time mayor we can put it up on the
screen so that everybody those list uses can be done um it's important to realize that those uses specifically prohibit the existing concrete crushing facility that's on there so um that again is consistent with the special magistrates
recommendation so uh the process tonight then would be to uh to if the council's inclined to consider the settlement agreement as as approached the statute does allow for the city council to take action on the two land use on the land
use ordinance and the zoning ordinance and essentially reconsider and adopt those ordinances that were denied in 2023 uh that's specifically permitted in the statute to be able to do so that's why those two items are on your agenda tonight so that's and that's also why we
have to talk about the settlement agreement first because if you approve it then the next step is to go ahead and the deal as to address those ordinances U in your packet we provided you a copy of the settlement agreement that was presented to us uh from from uh the
attorney for the applicant uh it included some Redline changes in it uh that staff would like to see or staff would be recommending if the council's inclined to improve this um I know Mr Spain is here that's represents the property owner and we can we can get
into those individual individual items and it will certainly uh I'm sure correct me if I I speak out of turn but I believe that agreement has essentially come down to two two final items that the council is going to be the ultimate
determin with regard to it um again let me back up a little bit thank you for putting that up to remind me so the agreement specifically provides I think this is probably of great interest to everybody involved that that concrete crushing facility will stop existing and
operating on that property within 45 days um that's it's my understanding and I'm sure Mr Spain when he gets up will point it out it's my understanding that since the recommended order was issued recommended recommendation was issued by the special magistrate the activity on
that property has kind of diminished uh the concrete material that has been brought to be crushed has has has lessened uh and so they are moving towards what we might call a wind down period uh to meet that so within 45 days that concrete crushing provision will of
facility will not be operating on the property anymore um they would have some additional time after that uh to remove any remnants of the material that's on there but really and within a period of 75 days under this agreement that
property will no longer be using for that for that purpose and all uh I think that was one of the important things that the council was was trying to figure out when is this going to stop right um so again the back to the two issues I think that are are remaining uh and we can we'll talk about that uh
there's an issue with regard to the reduction of the fine uh the fine on the code enforcement matter has ured to about $126,000 at this point on those two matters and again um I will point out that that there still is a potential
challenge to that through the existing process that the applicant has uh has initiated um staff uh put in in on this slide our proposal was to reduce it to the staffs would accept or support a 20%
reduction uh of that a reduction to 20% of the fine uh which would be about $25,000 initially the applicant wanted asked to have it reduced to $3,000 I think since then the applicant has agreed that they would be willing to
reduce that fine to 10% which is about 12,000 uh $12,600 uh or $12,900 I believe so and which is which is I frankly consistent with some of the other code enforcement reductions that the council has approved
um the other issue I think that is uh tied to the Future development of this partiel is as I said earlier if you are to approve this with settlement agreement and approve the zoning with the Pud it will limit the um limit what
permitted uses can be done on partiel one it would also provide that it provides that uh currently that in the event parcel one when parcel one is developed that there would be some screening that as required by the by the city code city staff however um because
this is a PUD or an industrial PUD and realizes again that this is the entire uh this would be an industrial complex in this area and there and the city staff can explain their reason on but as I understand it they felt that the continuation of the masonary wall that's
currently by the existing concrete plant over in that area would be appropriate for the future use of parcel one uh I think the applicant has indicated that that they feel that that might be a little unreasonable so I think that I don't think they're in agreement with
that so as I understand it today we're down we're essentially down to those two issues I will point out that the applicant has uh included some other information and some other restrictions with regard to this windown period that I talked about this 45 day period after
this agreement is improved and that's what's on your screen right now so essentially they would reduce the operation hour the Crush activities which I think is the most important one for the folks there uh they would limit that to Monday through Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 400 PM as you might recall
in the prior settlement agreements we talked about they were looking at doing crushing activities for five days uh a week but they would do that down to four days a week and then you can see there wouldn't be any additional material delivered and that there' be limited loading of trucks so they've they have
offered to have um to basically have a limited operation during this wind down period uh to be able to get they've also also uh included in the agreement is that sometime as the as this uh as parcel one is developed in the future
whenever they come back for use that the staff at that point would have an opportunity to talk about performance standards and and things like buffering and all that as part of the site development plan for whatever the use of be in the future for parcel one uh and uh uh and pretty much that's an overview
of where we are with it right now so again and and I think for purposes of our discussion today uh before we go any further it might be it might be important for Mr Spain to come up and basically give me get so to verify where we are in terms of what's left with
regard to this the particular settlement agreement if that's okay mayor yes sir Mr Spain would you like to speak on this item and can you please give your name and address for the record yes sir thank you mayor fellow council members Brent Spain theak and ban 1809 edwat Drive
Orlando Florida and Dan is correct I mean we're essentially down to the two issues one is the amount of the code fine as he indicated one thing we're agreeing to wave and release the city from is the
other pending uh essentially the code enforcement section 7051 claim that would be released and waved entirely and so what we had proposed originally was to make sure your guys administrative costs were covered so that how we came up with the
$3,000 and then as indicting in the red line it came back at 24,000 and we have countered in an email to Mr manzer at 10% which is about 12,500 give or take a few dollars which is if you recall on your agenda earlier
tonight you actually had two Code Enforcement cases one with an acred fine of 116,000 that got reduced to 12,000 and then there was another one for 66,000 that got reduced to 6600 so
essentially we were just asking that the code enforcement fine be reduced consistent with what the city has done in similar cases um the other issue is really just section 2H in the draft settlement agreement and that has to do
with what type of opaque screen is required so we had proposed that the type of opaque screen we're not saying there wouldn't be an opaque screen but the type would be determined at site development plan review based
upon the actual use that's being proposed and we propose that based on the city's Land Development code because an opaque screen is defined as a wall a fence a wooden fence a PVC fence it can
be a burm with opaque landscaping and even the uh the I3 regulations uh discuss walls fences and hedges and it defers to the buffering section of the city's
code which is 4.8.4 and when you look at that code there's a provision that says where screening is required it shall consist of a six foot tall opaque fence wall such as vinyl masonry or wood or
existing dense vegetation ory burm a minimum of 3T in height located entirely within the buffer with planted materials on top of it that reach a height of six feet and it says the location and accessibility of the wall fence or BM shall be subject to the determination of
the city manager or his or her design so it your city's code itself defers that determination to the site development plan stage and that's all we're asking we're not asking not to have an opaque screen it's just a solid masonry wall on
our current estimate is probably about 151,000 Plus Engineering expenses and some of the uses that potentially could go on that property probably don't warrant uh solid masonry wall where others the end user comes in on the site
development plan may very well warrant uh that solid masonry wall and can bear that expense so that those are the only two changes um obviously it's been a long road to get here we support the staff's recommendation uh other than those two
issues those are the only two that we're asking the council to modify as proposed and we thank you for your support and stand ready to answer any questions all right thank you Mr Spain we have council member Gilbert uh
yeah uh Mr Spain had mentioned that there were some I I don't believe in reductions of of code uh violations at all I just want to go on the record uh I think it's abused and used that we lower this fines and people know it and they just wait till it's to it's rendered and
then want a 10% reduction Mr Spain had mentioned in the uh his dialogue there that the other reductions were to 10% but Mr menzer can you tell me how the three prongs are of why we look at reductions and how we get to those
reductions you've explained them before but I'd like you explain them again how those reductions are handled well statuto what the what chapter 162 which is the code enforcement enabling legislation provides is that the basically local government shall shall assess fines
based on three factors three prongs one is the nature of the violation essentially the impact on the community nature of the violation the cooperation of the respondent and whether the respondent has had any other violation so those are the three factors that are
typically typically reviewed and that the statute says that the that the city is supposed to look at when it's assessing final fines so we have recommended we have discussed this with the city council in the past whenever you're looking at a reduction you look at those particular factors as to how
much of a reduction you want to be again it's the nature of the violation the cooperation of the respond and whether that responded is had any other violations okay and I want to be fair to Mr Spain but these other reductions were to 10% and because they meet all three
criteria did uh this property meet all three criteria uh Mr menerus in in the cooperation of these fines and and in that well well that's your your your job to figure out whether there's
cooperation we can we believe and we uh that uh obviously there was in any code enforcement case one of the things that you look at is how how easy is it to come into compliance and we believe that in this particular our office believes in this particular that the respondant
this they could have come into compliance fairly easily with regard to the continued operation of this unpermitted facility thank you I just wanted to compare apples apples versus Apple oranges and code reduction and violations that's the only explanation I would like to to to explain and then I Y
go back to you mayor all right thank you uh Dan should we take public comment first before we move forward yeah but if I could just so we can if you don't mind mayor somebody you have a hard copy of the permitted uses is it do you have one I have one if you don't that's not a
hard copy that's a computer even I know that okay it's front and back so apiz I thought mayor if we could put that up on the screen so that we're specifically because I did mention it
earlier and I think Melissa can verify it that the these list of items is what this you know really what the staff would consider to be lesser intense industrial uses um as we all stare at the screen for it
to turn on right and Mr Spain can you uh just have a SE at the front row I'm goingon to go ahead and take public comment on this first and then we're gonna get in a council discussion fine and then if I could just at the end if I've got a chance for oh yeah just yeah if you're right here I'm sure we're gonna have
lots of questions for you all right when anyone first we have Mr Jeff sheppler and will you please state your name and address for the record Sir Jeff sheppler 20209 Spring Lake Circle I represent myself at 20 2209
Spring Lake Circle and my dad who owns the property at 2191 Spring Lake Circle um we just found out about this um two days ago and there's one thing that I just heard you guys who make the decisions
you have a huge responsibility um for example he mentioned or somebody mentioned a burm at least three feet high well I know that is so arbitrary he the property behind us which is Thompson Grove we
were promised the three a three-foot BM above finished grade I could stand in my backyard look across the BM and see the foundation of the building across the street to me that's not 3 feet above finished grade so you guys need to be
very clear on what that is and also in that in that case the fence was supposed to be on top of it it's two-thirds of the way down so it did nothing um as far as the you know the the wall I think that would be the best
solution for going along there but the main thing is is the decision you guys make and the as well as the people in the planning department need to carefully
review and see what the long-term effect is on stuff because you know just because somebody wants it and that oh it could go there doesn't mean that that's where it should go when you take into consideration of the surrounding area and as far as the
fine is concerned I my feeling is the entire fine should be paid all right thank you Mr Cher next we have Ken Pinsky up Ken Pinsky 2027 Live Oak Boulevard here in St Cloud uh Mr Mayor
Deputy Mayor n you can continue that was quick you're good uh thank you for giving us this opportunity Mr sheffler is correct we just heard about this happening this meeting tonight two days ago so getting our thoughts together and figuring out what's going on and the settlement none
of us have seen the settlement uh and future land use for that property uh just now seeing it and it's too small to see from sitting back here uh we've been at this for a year you all the city council included everybody else included
and for meeting after meeting after meeting the council has voted to disapprove the land use change and it's a surprising that we're seeing it up here again uh going to uh be voted on again whether it's going to go forward
or not uh we in the live o area still feel it is not a proper location for this type of Industry to be in there the uh the dust and the noise and the ground rumbling is there uh we have heard a
rumor that they're going to move out of lot zone one that lot area and not do Rock crushing at that facility we've heard that they're going to move into Mash Meers area and do crushing there so same concern will be there years ago the
uh concrete Factory was approved for use there it wasn't approved that uh there'd be a Rock crushing uh component included in the concrete plant so I just like you to consider that that uh quite surprisingly to a lot of us in the
audience that it's up again uh not sure what the uh recommended total recommendation uh from the uh special counsel so thank you for your time yes sir um Ken so this was a settlement agreement uh based upon the special
magistrates right so again statutorily you're required to to respond to that special magistrates recommendation within 45 days and to be clear the special Magistrate's recommendation was to prohibit that continued Rock crushing
facility from a from happening on this property but we did have to give him uh an industrial type zoning part of their recommendation so you could again as I said earlier you could accept the recommendation you could accept with modifications or you could reject it if
you reject it then we're essentially back into the same course that challeng of dealing with the 2023 denials which the applicant the property owner still have a right to I've received court court basically litigated some work yes sir and Ken I recognize you guys have been going
through this for a while now me only for the past four months but uh I know there's a lot of backstory to it and I I'm just like y'all I think it's it's not the right location for it but I think this is the the end of the road on it's it's getting moved so this is kind of getting to that settlement so
understood and yes sir and we appreciate that and we appreciate we're given the opportunity this is the toughest part of the job when we have neighbors that you know obviously conflict and yeah absolutely we're all doing our best and and if anybody could share or comment on the rumor that we hear that The Rock crushing will go on to mash Meer I think
that's only a rumor sir great that is that is really good news yeah okay thank you for your time yes sir all right next we have Jennifer Torres hi my name is Jennifer Torres 2057 Live Oak Boulevard here along with my neighbors thank you for having us again
I spoke last time I was here I disclosed that um in that area where we live actually in that parcel when you pull up the photo our home is that first home I feel that that sees and feels the impact of everything in fact I believe a few gentlemen from the organization or the company had come to our property because
I was wondering why there were people that we didn't know on our property on surveillance and they were just checking out even the sound at a certain point I have the photo from um that day and they were and we welcom them into our backyard just to see what was really like when it was crushing at its height not the low Parts but at at at the
entire time I can tell you um in disclosing the health situation with my children I have two children one that sees a pediatric dermatologist one that sees a Pediatric Cardiologist we also have two service dogs um working in law enforcement and also my husband that also works for the city as well and I
could tell you that it affects us we live there we that's our home it's very easy to disclose or to discuss it in this manner where we're here and it's very Business and Professional but when you go home you're home and that's exactly what I see when I open the blinds in my kitchen I can hear it from
my living room um we have to use fans and different things to kind of quiet the noise but um home is not home or how it used to be um so I just ask for you to really consider everything that everyone is sharing and I would also agree with what our neighbors had shared we just found this out two days ago and
I appreciate you sending the email other than that I wouldn't have known I'm I'm a teacher so I wanted to make sure I came straight here after work but if you could please just consider what it is to be home and what it's like for us we work in the city we are also Public Service uh workers here and I could tell
you that it's just not the same um so I just appreciate any consideration that you can give to the people that live in that Community thank you yes ma'am thank you and would anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item yes ma'am that's okay you can come
on up yeah can you please state your name and address sign went afterwards yeah so my name is Brenda sheppler and I belong to him at 20 229 Spring Lake Circle my name my address um all I will
say is if this is approved for the future it is so junky so junky I mean you have mosh Meer yes they're loud too but they look good and then you have OU which is a lovely facility looking and
then you have this property and it is just so trashy never mowed things parked there piles so whatever please code enforcement or just make sure that it
looks nice like she said we have to look at it and we're so busy on nari it's it's a bad it looks bad for St Cloud to be honest so I would just appeal that whatever is
decided just make sure that it looks as nice as the other things is do along there so thank you yes ma'am thank you and and mayor can I just make one try to one cl so one of the things that we're doing and I certainly understand where
the where the neighbors are and where people that live in that area with regards I want to make sure you're clear the what's being asked to do is to approve an agreement that would stop that Rock Crush Rock crushing so that will not be happening anymore the other piece is
there's we have not received nor is I think Mr Spain or's client today providing you any application as to what they're going to do on that site in the future they have not made a determination as far as they've told the city about the agreement would provide
that at the time that they submit for whatever they're going to do there then the city staff at that time would have an opportunity doing the site development plan plan review process to address all those issues like buffers and Landscaping and performance standards it's important to remember
depending on the use right because if you look at the listing of uses there some they are as staff has agrees I think they are considerably less intense to the Rock crushing facility that's out there now and then some of them go from
different levels of intensity right so um the idea of the agreement would be that staff would have an opportunity depending on what they ask what whoever the potential end user of the property is what they do to address uh performance standards buffers
Landscaping those kind of things based on the specific use that they're asking for at their time and that's that's contained in the agreement yes sir thank you Council uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um thank you mayor um first I wanted to say um follow up on
council member Gilbert's uh comments regarding the Cod enforcement findes there is a three-prong approach but the difference between the two that came before us and were approved on the consent agenda with the reduction of fines those properties are in compliance this one isn't so for me that's the only
trigger of of discounting um C enforcement fines is the property is in compliance at the time of the reduction of fines and at this point the property is not in compliance they're asking for additional time um and they only offered um or said $3,000 now I know that you
know the intent was to offer the $3,000 to cover City cost but I can you know I don't have all the records but I can guarantee you it's cost more than $3,000 in in City expenses um to to to be able to deal with this um I do have a
question for I got a a list here so I'm G to go down um the list because I'd like to see this get taken care of so that we don't have to deal with it again um has the machine turned off during this this time is it still
operating Mr Spain would you like to answer that uh yeah it's still operating on Limited hours that's consistent what's what's proposed in the settlement is there a have you applied for a business tax
receipt there would be no reason to do that they've previously applied and we're denied okay yeah um is the property in compliance right now with city code the the property is not in compliance but the settle the settlement
agreement doesn't allow any fine reduction until it actually is in compliance um so how can we believe that if we approve this that you're going to comply with
the 45 to 75 days to turn the machine off and move it well I would say I would say a few things one as soon as the magistrate ruled we instructed the tenant not to accept any new materials and I personally drove by there today anybody
who's driven by can see that they haven't accepted any materials including from Mash me or SMR in a while the CR the materials to be crushed are almost down to the ground so the settlement agreement requires them to cease
operating the crusher within 45 days or when any any existing materials are crushed which ever occur sooner so they could stop operating in the next 10 days or next seven days the materials that are there remaining are fully processed
materials that the agreement then allows either for them to get rid of those within 45 days but shows some flexibility that they can continue to try to sell or utilize those materials to third parties within 75 days if
they're not gone by then they've got to remove them so what do you do they're 's an enforcement provision in the settlement agreement I think as it's written too it allows the attorney the city to recover attorney fees for any breach of the settlement agreement so you're asking me what happens if they
don't do it well obviously my client's the property owner they have a vested interest in making sure they do do it if the tenant for some reason went rogue and didn't do it not only do we have enforcement mechanisms then as the owner but the city has an enforcement provision in the settlement agreement
that allows you guys to recover all your cost and fees so okay and then the other question that I had because we're going to be hearing the the two other items right after that we we're talking about them as a whole right yes sir so my
question is is the the final public hearing um items 2347 and the other one that we're hearing the first public hearing was let's see the last time this was heard was in November 2023 was this item
was these items advertised so that's what I mentioned to you earlier this process allows for a resolution based on the special magistrates recommendation under the statute it specifically says that if the city council is going to will accept the recommendation then the
applicant does not have to go through duplicate the process they've already been through so process-wise what we what would happen is you essentially would be reconsidering the 2023 ordinances and reop and roping them
consistent with the recommendation of the special magistrate and so that's the long answer to say that they did not require an additional advertising for this because of that statutory language because I know that the um obviously the the settlement agreement doesn't have to be advertised I was just curious about
the development applications because I know that that you know in most cases the development applications have to be advertised or read vertis um so I appreciate that um as everybody knows I'm not in favor um of this I'm not going to vote in
favor of the the settlement agreement I'm not going to vote in favor of of the applications um I've been pretty vocal about this um like I said before I believe you need to be a good neighbor and need to respect your neighbors um if this does get approved I would you know
ask that Council um include in their motion for approval if that's what's going to happen um that any and all applications have to come back at the the site development plan has to come back um I do not wish for I I want this to come across um our the dis here to
make sure that it is enforced um to its fullest extent so that we can uh you know make sure that it's a you know it gets if it's going to be built out there it needs to be built to the standard that's you know Mash Meers at um but at this point I I can't support
this all right um Dan these items on here in the zoning that uh according to settlement agreement as it relates to that wall he's only required to do that wall if he goes for those types of uses is that correct with that zoning so what if he comes back in and wants to do
something less intense well the way it currently re the way that's we the redline version that you have in front of you would require that wall for any of those uses and th and the way this is written is those are the only uses that can happen on this
property so um if he came if they came back or they a future owner that property came back and wanted to do a different use on it they'd have to go back in front of the city council at the time and seek essentially an amendment to this this ordinance if it's approved to do
anything other than that's on the list but essentially is an All or Nothing language the way it reads right now is regardless of whatever one of those items is the the redline version that staff had presented would require the masonary wallet
okay thank you and and just one more thing Mr Fletcher with regard to your what the reduction of the potential reduction of the code enforcement fine if the council is going to include a reduction is contingent upon the property coming into
compliance so I think Mr Spain mentioned that earlier but one there so the the settlement agreement does have provision for the city can enforce it uh but if the council were to reduce it to whatever it reduces to that reduction is only in place if the property is brought if the property is brought into
compliance in accordance with the agreement all right Dan who did we write the settlement or was it through the magistrate or combination of the two between the applicant and US yes no seriously I know it's been it's
been a year of negot well we've been it's been going on for a while and so we the process is initiated for those council members who weren't it initiates with what's referred to as a basically a resolution process that the special magistrate conducts so when when this
process initially started we had what's probably best referred to as a mediation uh a couple mediation meetings through those mediations agreement a proposed settlement agreement came out that we ultimately presented to the city council and and which the city council did not
accept so the format of the agreement that's in front of you is essentially it it's um it's initiated from that mediation agreement that we first had so it was it was drafted by both Mr Spain's office and myself with staff and we
worked through it based on that initial mediation uh agreement that we had in place uh as we got as you know it came in front of the city council again in a different a little different version and the council denied it um this version uh is significantly different
uh because as you recall in the other two versions it required it provided that the concrete crushing facility was going to be moved to another piece of property owned by the the applicant in here which really which the council didn't like this one this agreement has it basically being removed from the applicant's
property I think that what makes it complex are the everything rolled up into one deal you know the an the uh changing the the zoning of it to i3 uh with all those uses and then you got the wall and then you got reduction of
leans I mean there's a lot tied into that because if he doesn't want to do the wall is that what you're saying Mr Spain a different type of wall that's really the that's the sticking point that you believe is well I'm not saying we wouldn't do the wall what I'm saying is we wanted to be consistent with the
code that says that the type of opaque screen is determined at the site development plan stage a very well maybe a masonry wall and that may be determined but like some of those uses a wholesale Bakery assuming that went in there which is one of the uses I don't
think most planners would say that a wholesale Bakery requires spending $170,000 or so on a masonry wall now if one of those other uses went in there you know a more intense use on that list then yes that wall very well may
be you know warranted required I'm not asking for no wall I'm simply asking that the opaque screen which is a defined term in the code is either a wall fence burm with solid vegetation on the top at a minimum of six feet in height that that gets determined at site
plan review that's all okay I'm ask community development director to have some comment on that please um Dan please correct me if I'm wrong um so I believe what the uh Mr Spain is saying is um allow them to have
a wall a fence um or some sort of opaque screening dependent on the use what we would like is the opposite we rather require the wall and then if a bakery comes in then the city manager or design
can roll back the wall rather than having to fight for a wall later I think that's why I was kind of asking about that to see if is it concrete well if you got to have a concrete wall is that concrete that the wall has to be there yes sir um but if
he comes in and wants a less intense use you would go in accordance with the code as to what type of a a barrier that would be yes sir we can always roll it back it's easier to roll it back than it is to require it if our code um does not specifically say wall so just having
having an opaque fence or screening may not be enough to you know for if there are um higher noise levels or depending on what type of activity is going going on so um you know for for the our the resident sake obviously that's the angle we're looking at it from so we we would
ask that um you in this we give the city manager or designate the ability to roll back that requirement or if if you're going to require the site development plan to come to council Council can decide to roll that back okay mayor if I may just and and
again I know this is extremely complicated because there's a lot of moving parts to this but to get I think from our perspective and consistent with the statute this is probably the easiest way to get it to a point where we can get a resolution and get and and deal
with this and I so I understand it's difficult to follow so and I don't like to do this but I I I want to try to negotiate from here or at least rewrite the thing from here but just as a suggestion um and Mr Spain if you if you
could so on page three of the settlement agreement there is a subparagraph called C is C right C basically says the list of per permitted uses as shown in Exhibit C will be allowed within the Hickory PID subject to applicable performance standards based upon the
actual use performance standards and then we added some language that would say including but not limited to operations restrictions setbacks and buffers may be imposed by the city during the review and approval of any needed site development plan or site development permit for prop proposed use
on the property I would suggest that you to follow with Miss Duncan's comment comment we could add some language in there that would provide for the wall include Mr Fletcher's suggestion that
the site development plan for the parcel be approved by the city council based on the particular use and that we completely remove H from the agreement and H is the H is the language
that said the opaque screening will be this as as the applicant asked for which did not include the wall and then we added language in it that said it would be the wall so ENT so essentially the wall would be part of
the review of the of the specific use at the time of the site development plan and if the council's inclined the council could be the final reviewer reviewing entity for that okay um did that make sense I think yes sir council member Paul I'm going to let Mr Spain
address that real quick and then yeah I don't I don't have an issue with what Mr manzer is suggesting for example if you're looking on page three at subc and the city had added including but not limited to operating restrictions comma
setbacks and buffers that could easily be just amended to say including but not limited to operating restrictions setbacks comma buffers comma and opaque screen type so I I have no issue with that and if the council's
inclined that the site development plan needs to come back to you all for review and approval I don't have an issue with that either and then that would result in paragraph H just being removed from the the draft agreement council member Paul okay so um
Mr Spain um you indicated that the operations on this site will be completely shut down within 45 days yeah as written the agreement if you look in let's see it's on of the red line
it's on page four it's paragraph F So within 45 days of the effective date of this agreement or the date existing Depo disposed materials on the property are crushed in process whichever occurs sooner the concrete Crusher cell cease
operating on parcel one and the operator shall remove and or relocate The Crusher from the property so the the latest it would be would be 45 days but having just driven by that site before tonight's hearing it very well may be
much sooner than 45 days of this effective date of this agreement because again it's the sooner of those two events so if those materials that are left there still to crush are gone next Wednesday then that's the trigger point okay Dan we able to set like a drop date
dead date for the 45 days so that way I know there was concern about what if they he doesn't stop the operation are we able to set a date well yes that's what you're doing so so if you approve it today the effective date would essentially be tomorrow and then it
would be 45 days from tomorrow that that that's the drop dead date and then we would be in and if there and if they haven't complied uh then we would we would be they would be in breach of the settlement agreement which would give the city additional remedies to be able
to address things uh and if the council was inclined to reduce the code enforcement fine they would lose the opportunity to pay a reduced fine okay thank you so Dan the way you state restated the settlement was remove
the item H yes I would just point out to I think for the consist with Miss Miss Duncan's comments I think City would rather see instead of opaque screening would actually rather see the words masonary wall in that in that section there so that there's no dispute at
sometime in the future that that's what we were talking about as a possibility depending on the use and I think that's what we're looking for that's that's fine I mean it says may it doesn't say that's right say it says right uh council member Gilbert yeah just uh
comment and and Mr maner I appreciate your expertise in and giving us this information but you told us the easiest way um we've been dealing with this for over two years and there hasn't been an easy way uh we tried the easy way and we they were not compliant and when you
have bad actors it's very hard for me personally to look at them to become good actors uh I just want to make that comment again there is easier ways we've tried you know there's light at the end of the tunnel unless there's a train coming uh and we'd like to get past this
tunnel and get to the sunshine but the easiest way we tried numerous times and and for me this just hasn't worked so I just want to be on record saying we tried the easiest way and it just hasn't worked so I just want to uh yield back to you mayor that we've prior to being
here we've dealt with this for two years so three of the council people here in on this Council have and tried bending over backwards which is hard for a 61 year old to do but we have done that and it just seem doesn't seem to work out but with that I want to get this resolved I want that this is a
commercial business it's a great property if it aligns with what we have in the commercial industry there we need to do something and that all these areas I look at would be great for that area but I'm just a little bit hesitant to say okay you guys are gonna we got you
this time it's going to be good and then it turns out to be bad again so I yield back with you on that uh I would like it to be the easiest way but it hasn't been and uh I really think this is a great property for industrial the proper industrial and you'll back yes sir um I
do agree with you uh obviously I wasn't here the past couple years only the past four months and and um there was some complex things and there was some time I think there was about eight months of a delay because of some magistrate hearings or whatever the wasn't there something on both there was
a delay to get there there was well we're not going to argue with the fact that there was some confusion and the delay process with regard to the review of the Lan use amendment in the zoning thing and some of that did fall on the city on the city yeah and that's where I I'm just looking it's both sides and um
I'm coming in it with a a fresher mind I know it's it's frustrating working on something for two years and and I know the citizens it's frustrating to sit there and deal with it for two years um my thoughts I want to done I mean obviously
you know that was I believe my second meeting here and we had a lot of people up here not happy and I don't want that here in our council chambers I want everybody all the citizens coming here happy and and and excited to be here with their neighbors and and but but I do believe that putting up a
concrete wall I think that's part of the settlement but also with the properties to the South that's going to be future discussion or is that also in this settlement agreement no the only thing that's in here is is the one partiel that was subject to the land use Amendment and Zoning change which is
what we've called parcel one okay we we can show it to you on the map if you need to but I think everybody's familiar with okay but but part of the settlement agreement not only we're not only just reducing the lean but essentially that money is going to be going into a wall well I mean because if he if he paid the
lean then he wouldn't have to do a wall the F right is that say that again I'm sorry if he paid the full fine he wouldn't have to do a wall he wouldn't have to do a settlement because he pay it and stopped if he came into compliance and then paid the full fine
that's correct okay do we know roughly what a concrete wall would cost I think you already said 100 yeah roughly would be about 153,000 plus probably 177,000 in engineering and remember mayor and
that look I'm trying to get to a point where the the aerial stuff stops I Echo Mr Gilbert's statement that's been a long road and Mr manzer acknowledged more than a year of that was more than a year was our client just trying to get a
second reading because the first SEC the first reading happened in January of 2022 we didn't get a second reading until November of 2023 and so that is frustrating to the applicant standpoint but one of the things that we're releasing our
clients's releasing is there's a separate proceeding on the code enforcement matter so just like we went through a magistrate proceeding on the land use and Zoning change which you weren't here in November of 2023 so you're sort of inheriting it and the magistrate for the most part ruled on
our clients favor with the exception to the neighbors I'm sure happiness is no concrete CR pressure which we're not contesting that we're not stating here we're going to go March off and we reject the recommendation but that same process
could happen with the code enforcement fines so in fact I haven't even seen how the 120,000 was calculated but if in the magistrate proceeding in that instance if our client were to Prevail it could be that the fines are zero dollar but that's
just more time and money from everybody involved in it so our client looked at it and said hey look you know Orange County Orlando Lake they would probably reduce the fine to 15500 the administrative expenses we proposed originally double that which was an
amount that the City previously in the prior settlement agreements that this Council rejected had lent some support to that amount so we came in with that amount it came back at 24 we thought hey 24 seems a little steep when we think
the fines might be able to be zero and then we said right the city seems to have a policy or a standard that look we don't like reducing them below 10 per. so we said okay even though we think they should be zero because rightly or wrongly somebody conveyed to Mr Wright
that no code enforcement would take place while the zoning application's going through the process and there's an email to that effect is we'll agree to pay the 10% the 12,000 just so my client doesn't have to spend more time and the city doesn't have to spend more time and
money at another magistrate hearing so that's really the logic and if you look at can I ask you I'm sorry you said that there's an email from staff saying that no findes would be yeah there there was an email from back in January of 2022 when uh a prior planner here said I
spoke with Mr the property owner which would be Mr Wright after that first reading back in January of 2022 explained to him that the matter would probably not be heard at the second January meeting it would have to be heard in February of
2022 but code enforcement indicated that there would be no code enforcement proceedings taken while these applications are pending and the property owner was okay with that and so that was an internal email between City staff that we got through a public
records request and Mr Wright was the individual who had that conversation so we're trying to put a bow on everything just like commissioner Gilbert indicated and you indicated hey we want to be done with this we want to get the concrete Crusher off there without just telling
them hey tomorrow you have to stop immediately and then you've got to figure out what to do with the remnants that are uncrushed you bring no I definitely understand we're down the at the 11th hour I'm just trying to get facts right now but Dan I I assume that's been litigated through well no we haven't fully litigated that piece but
if you want to litigate it tonight we certainly can I just don't we just we respectfully disagree with Mr Spain's analysis of that whole situation and we I don't really want get in this route but the reality of it is and I think this I have to say this is City attorney and we're representing staff this whole
issue got to the point because that facility was put there without a permit and it's continued to operate since well in since 2021 without a permit so from it does get frustrating for staff and frustrating for me personally to know
that we keep talking about the fact that well you said we can continue up when the whole thing started because that facility was put there without a permit and had it and it continued to operate for a long period of time so I don't really want to get to that and we don't and I don't think that's a probate I
agree this thing it should get he mentioned an email and that's where I was just curious May I'm not trying to Rel that I'm just trying to point out that the extent that it's just accepted that there's 120,000 in accured fines it would be my client's position that
there's zero dollars that I don't know that that's G to be a reality no I understand but it hasn't been I'm not trying to litigate that I'm saying that's how we're compromising is we're not trying to offer zero dollars we're not trying to not pay something I understand uh Deputy Mayor
Fletcher um I just wanted to these are my final comments I we're probably going to move forward here um is I just want to say thank you to staff for for notifying the residents um I had checked with staff earlier this week um I know that we had you had said at previous Council meetings that anytime
this comes on the agenda we need to notify the residents out there so I know it was kind of last minute but I know staff was able to at least get a hold of some folks out there um um second um what are the I mean I don't want to get into it all again but I'm assuming
there's several violations um on the property or is it just one they would have to come into compliance with every violation that's been detailed no there's there's really one basic violation and the property was cided for operation of this facility without a permit which Mr Fletcher you asked a
question about whether whether they got a business tax receipt well they couldn't get a business tax receipt because the operation wasn't permitted so even though they they may have applied staff couldn't issue them a BTR for that so the one violation was operate was operating and using the property without an appropriate permit
to do that that's the one VI and that violation was I said said earlier tonight was in our view easily corrected simply by not operating the machine okay yeah I couldn't remember because if we I had went through the entire file from
a while back but I couldn't remember what the actual what was cited um and then just my my final comment um I know that you know staff had said oh moving the machine here or there um any if if the machine is moved to a property that's ajacent to to city property uh the jpa
would require that any development on ajacent property come back before Council um so with that um I have comments council member Gilbert I just you go back um thank you uh I have to look and I have to ask assistant city manager here because I I
do remember a meeting in I think it was 2023 or 2024 when uh the owner Mr Wright was at the podium and I asked him okay uh can you show me the paperwork that they agreed there would be no fines and uh Mr Wright said to me oh no we just
talked about it that was fine and today which is March 13 2025 now I just got an understanding there was an email and I'd asked for that over 18 months ago so I could have that information so I could use that as my deliberations but I was told there was nothing it was a verbal
agreement so I could be wrong I just want to go on record that I asked that specific question of can I see paperwork that says you had an agreement that no findes will be processed through this duration again I don't know the dates I'm going to have to ask the assistant city manager look and go back at at the
uh council meeting because I know that was specifically asked I know council member Urban at the time was Deputy City man mayor and then Mr Fletcher was there too and I asked that specific question not saying that it doesn't exist but I asked that question because it been a
lot easier now two years later I'm finding out there was an email but I'd like to see a copy of it I yeld back to you there and and uh council member I think the City attorney can can address that question for you well I mean there there were several internal emails that are going back and forth I don't believe
Mr Mr Gilbert that there is an email that specifically says what you just asked it to say uh there are emails that talk about an ongoing code enforcement process the code enforcement process being essentially not moving forward to allow the application to move through the process that was in place for for a
period of time uh but ultimately without it is there is absolutely no doubt that basically at when the city initiated the code enforcement proceeding that led to the fines a respondant should have had absolutely no
misunderstanding that the city wanted that up that uh Machinery to stop operating without a permit yeah I mean that's when the that's that's when the code enforcement process started which is after that that email that Mr Spain referred to and Mr commissioner Gilbert
I I remember the question you asked Randy W and what it was was regarding they had come in for a preapp meeting with JD Anderson yes sir and JD according to Mr Right said you know the land use change resoning won't be an
issue you all since the mobile Crusher can get started now while it goes through the review process and that's when you ask them well do you have a email that confirms that conversation Mr Wright said no I don't I wish I did but I don't the code enforcement email I'm
referring to uh is separate and that was after the first reading and I'm happy to email to you and I'm not trying to relitigate that I'm just trying to put context on the fine reduction uh request to say hey look we're not asking for zero dollars we think 10% is
fair it's certainly more than we think is owed it's not as much as the city proposed I get that but it is consistent with other cases so we're not trying to ask for something that hasn't been done before thank you very much thank you for the explanation sir council member
Urban uh yeah part of my questions were answered I was just curious about that email as well but um you know I've uh I've been on this Council I think since the beginning of this whole process and I would like to see a resolution uh move
forward as well but um it is frustrating when you know as as our City attorney said they um it could have came into Appliance at any time before now and and it hasn't been and you know with the the crusher continuing to operate and um the
residents having to live with that I I definitely understand the frustration so um you know what what's uh it's really something that we have a an independent special magistrate decision that we have to act on or decide on and and I think
that's um you know something that we have to to consider tonight I think the the bright side of this is that the crusher will shut down within 45 days of accepting this and um hopefully we'll move forward with uh with the resolution that works for for everybody here so
it's my only comment all right thank you council member Urban uh you know I I asked about the the cost of of the wall and I think that you know if you're going to move forward and and we're all going to agree to the was that the I3 zoning Dan is that correct I3
with the with an industrial ped okay and that would mandate a concrete wall well that's part Zing that's part of the deal that's part of the discussion and if I so I think and and Melissa please I don't want to speak speak for staff but
what I propose with regard to the elimination of sub paragraph H from the agreement and the adding of the language that at the time of the site development plan review the concrete wall masoner wall would be an option depending on the particular use I I think Mr Spain said
they were okay with that so I think maybe that issue is that particular issue has been resolved resolved yes okay so so there will be investment in there within this deal on behalf of of the the applicant the property owner he
would have to invest in that wall well again that would be a I said I said ear because we you know it's difficult for anybody to basically figure okay what are we going to require without knowing what the use is so if the use is one that is is intense and reasonably
requires uh you know a wall then I think I think the the applicant would have to at that point make that investment either way they're still going to have to do whatever whatever uh the Land Development code requires with regards to opaque with regard to buffering and all that they're still going to have to
meet all that part of the code regardless of what they do so moving forward as part of this settlement in the I3 any of those uses would require that concrete wall that is essentially what they're agreeing to no they're what what they're agreeing to
what we what we talked about would be at the time they came forward with one of those uses then as part of the site development plan revieww process staff would evaluate the use and then and then make a determination about whether a wall would be require based on the
specific use that's being proposed now again Mr Fletcher added the caveat that that decision should could be made by the city council at the time all right Deputy city manager I just wanted to the City attorney just said that that this would be something that would come back
before the city council so uh you all will get to see that again and it would be as Dan just mentioned again dependent upon the usage uh and two uh there their point uh a wall a masonry wall would not
be required if it if the particular use did not warrant that but again all of that would be coming back before you uh and you would be able to see that before any determinations were made and if that's if you include the the site development plan has to come back to the
city Council because right now that's not in the agreement yes sir I think we should I I'll go ahead and make a motion um but but first I wanted just residents obviously thank you for showing up month after month and and I know this came this came up on the agenda because I
think it just came out of the special magistrate the settlement we were on unfortunately we were under a compressed time frame to get in from you yeah so um this this is complex and I want it done you you know and and obviously
whatever he does moving forward he's got to do it in accordance with every like just the way anybody else has to so I'd like to make to make a motion that we include that any site plans come back before the city council and uh reduce it to the 10% just to find some resolution
to this and that would include the language about the the masonary wall that we talked about an elimination of H striking what's an H yes sir okay I second we have a second from council member
Paul Madame clerk please call the RO council member Gilbert nay council member Fletcher no council member Paul I council member Urban I mayor black sorry Robertson
hi motion passes three two all right so based on the the approv the agreement the agreement would then require would you move forward and improve the uh 2023-24 d48 we would have two separate
motions on that 2023 47 would be to re to create change the L use for the for lot one at Hickory Place industrial to uh industrial and then 20 23- 48 would and change the zoning to I3 with the Pud
as presented so we would need two separate motions on that that I'm to to um so rep that Dan that's all that language is tied into the first one all that language is part of the agreement so so the settlement agreement approves basically the what
you what what the next two items do uh so unfortunately unfortunately want to look at it yeah I truthfully I don't know how how any other way to formally document this for somebody that looks at this 20 years down the road other than
to do it this way okay so we would need uh a motion to approve uh the uh those two ordinances please all right can I get a motion to approve ordinance number 202348 motion to approve motion from council member Urban second second from
council member Paul Madame clerk please call the RO council member Paul I council member Urban hi council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor fler n mayor Robertson I motion carries for one and can we get 20 23-
47 all right can I get a motion on ordinance number 2023 d47 motion to approve motion from council member Urban second second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher n council member
Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I may mayor Robertson hi motion carries 41 thank you thank you all right everybody thank you all for coming out and as it moves forward with any type of development in
the future please come back and we'd love to see you again and because I know everything surrounding your properties impacts you so thank you um Melissa can you give her that piece of paper that has a list yeah that was
probably the most most intended all right we'll go ahead and move on we have ordinance number uh with the clerk please call ordinance number 2025 d015
R public hearing for resolution number 2025 d015 r a resolution of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida amending resolution number 2024-the 24 2025 budget for the city of St Cloud finding the city manager has
certified there are prior year fund balances and or current revenues available in the budget for additional projects and programs in various funds not included in the original budget requiring the budget to be increased to include set additional funding in the
various fund and making supplemental Appropriations within the funds Jeff Cooper Finance director uh this is budget amendment number three to our fiscal year 2024 2025 budget the city manager certified funds are
available to appropriate for the following projects uh recognizing revenue from federal grants for public safety for the 2022 assistance to Firefighters Grant uh this will be for at the point of the
spear training uh for the fire department at 37,6 4 uh transferring 160,000 of your city council consy to The Economic Development Fund to support additional uh Economic Development activities uh
that will leave your uh city council contingency balance for this fiscal year at 340,000 for informational purposes uh changing $150,000 of the funding source for project CM 2101 uh which is the third floor uh
Renovations here in building a from the general fund to the 1% uh surcharge fund trying to uh make the general fund as healthy as we can a total of 50,000 in additional funding for the same project uh that's the third floor remodel uh
that will come from the 1% sarch charge fund um a total of$ 3.2 million for the purchase of land in Edgewater East for a future Regional Park this will be funded with Parks impact fees uh changing 426,000
182 of the funding source for project PS 2104 fire station 32 rebuild uh from the general fund to fire impact fees when that project originally started we didn't have enough uh fire impact fees so we um did the original design and
Engineering work out of the general fund and now that fire impact fees has the money we're we're giving the general fund back its money uh a total of $2 million for the purchase of property on r road for a
potential roadway relocation that will be Mobility impact fees and a total of a million dollar for an administrative budget update for the transfer of Mobility impact fees to project St 2104 Cano Creek widening that
has no effect the project's already been funding this is just an administrative budget correction but it's got to be included on the budget amendment and a total of $446,000 for a new side loader for uh the a new sanitation route and 316,000
for a tractor and trailer to accommodate additional landfill trips due to new routes and that will be funded with the sanitation impact fee fund and staff has recommended approval of this resolution and we're requesting that city council approve this
resolution thank you Mr Cooper uh would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and we have council member Gilbert yeah uh you don't mind if I call you CP but Happ since we met I everybody else does most
people don't even know my first name I'm sorry Mr Coupe I guess I would say uh uh the the only question I have that the the $160,000 as on a city council contingency budget and that was agreed upon by the city council to transfer
that money that was discussed at our um Workshop of a couple weeks ago so that was approved by the city manager uh I don't know all the no that
was never approved by anybody in fact we we rolled that back and said putting the cart before the horse if I remember Mr Gilbert say well they had requested much more than that so okay was this was this the original
365 I believe so I can answer I can answer those questions sorry okay hold on hold on a second thank you for for jumping in but this was original 365 that we had that meeting on and I I did mention that we're putting the cart before the horse because we didn't have any land to offer the incentives and we
talked about familiarization ter and things such as that I'm just trying to I'm just trying to remember and I apologize for my age but that was an original ask of 365 now it's an Ask of 160 out of council consistency budget I'm just trying to get it clear Clarity
U Mr CP that is correct uh I don't have the particulars on that 160 but it was to um start some um programs that will help us um attract additional um
businesses to the area so this was kind of um sort of initial seed money uh and then kind of see where that lands us um the economic development director if I may comment and again I
appreciate abismo and I can call you Mr Biz too right just working together for so long we we get those things uh I agree with familiarization tours I agree with everything that was at that that Council U Workshop but I wanted to have
a program ready to attract commercial businesses with land Ava availability ini initiatives uh tax rebates Mobility fee remate rebates which the council can or cannot there's some we can reduce and there's some we cannot reduce but but I
just I really would like paperwork to see what this 365 now 160 is going to go for because as we do familiarization tours i' would like to have a packet of information and also on our website these are lands we have available for commercial these are the incentives we want to give and things such as that
that is just my personal thing on the that and Biz if you want to comment please I I certainly apologize for interrupting and I didn't mean to Siris mayel would you like to go ahead and speak on that yes just to offer a little bit more clarity um so during the strategic planning workshop uh we did
discuss the 365 and we did agree we have some more work to do to make sure that we bring a full packet uh but during the conversations we we also um talked about what can we do right now so just to give a little bit more uh information of what's being requested with this 160 uh
if I'm not mistaken it is for the partnership with our uh educational Partners so we can start that that educational program to get our fellow citizens in stcloud students up to par with the skills needed for the targeted
Industries to come that that will come in the future to make sure that they're prepared and we also have a series of event that we will be funding uh with this request um so those are the two programs that are readily available ready to go so going back on the comment of the car before the horse we
understand that part but in this specific request we have those two programs that are ready to go it's just in in lack of funding and the during the workshop we discussed uh the ability of the council contingency to be in used right now with this current budget due
to our futures constraints uh in future budgets so that we can take advantage of that opportunity of that money that's already available there so that we can at least do something for economic development and also as a reminder your our Economic Development Fund is
extremely Limited in funding its only funding source is the otch uh rent from that particular building so it's only 200,000 they do uh part partially pay some of their staff that support those activities from there so without
additional funding there will be no additional Economic Development uh activities so that's what the purpose was for this uh funding was to get it started and this was you know discussions with the city
manager um and abys mail and the economic development director and trette Forbes uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um what thank you mayor um what would what's the balance going to be in the city council
contingency um fund after the 160,000 340,000 okay and that's just in your contingency funding if a greater need came up we could locate the funding that's your
question thank you Deputy C manager yes uh thank you and bis Mile and and uh Mr Cooper uh did an excellent job of explaining what that was uh and just to reiterate that during the strategic planning meeting it was the
$36,000 that was in there and city council had requested to remove those items that were not ready to go your your cart before the horse uh comment was 100% accurate that you had made during the meeting there's certain things that we're looking to do that
that you pointed out rightly the city's not quite there yet uh and those items were all removed from this budget request these are only those items that as you have requested that we're ready to go with right
now and whatever of these funds doesn't get expended will remain in the Economic Development Fund for other uses as you've um mentioned yeah um thank you Jeff Mr Cooper for coming
up here and explaining all this I don't think we're ready for anything yet I I think that was the point of the comment that that council member Gilbert made I believe that to be true um I don't think they they know what lands are targeted what industries uh that's the feedback
that I got from our Economic Development um director so I'm not ready to spend a dollar of of citizens money unless especially at a council contingency um unless we know where it's going and you know you can't just use as a slush fund
and just grab from it and throw it at at uh special projects where we're just kind of shooting at the hip because I have no idea what those projects are I mean how can we sit up here and spend $160,000 and we don't even know what it's for do you know what I have not be advised of of what those two programs
for 88 whatever they amount to total of $160,000 of uh contingency money I just haven't seen anything on my desk yet mayor that I just haven't and again I think economic development is big big big part that we need here in St Cloud uh I think there should be funding for
it I don't know if it should be Council contingency funding for it but I think there should be funding for it but I think there need be a game plan before we execute uh any business or any uh coaching I've ever done we've always had a game plan before we went into the game
can I make aend yes sir I agree yes we yes sry um my recommendation would be to uh approve the budget amendment as is because if we do don't approve it uh I'll have to have Dan's assistance because that I'm not sure if I can take
one thing off of there as it's written the resolution yeah you sure you I say I'm just going to vote no never we can just amend the resolution to to remove those items you can always you can always approve less than that's
been advertised yeah let's go back through all those slides again CP if we can please and mayor if I may th those three items that Economic Development had had discussed in our strategic Workshop it was $55,000 for the Strategic sites
inventory $100,000 for the Workforce Development which was for the educational institutions and then it was $5,000 for uh trade mission trips now I understand thank you what was the 5 for I'm sorry I'm
drining it down the 55,000 was for the Strategic sites inventory that's invent inventorying our sites that we have here available for commercial that is correct yes sir okay thank you you spend $50,000 to find out
what sites we have available 55,000 correct that was the quote that she had come back from what are we talking about here I'm sorry where does that money go I I don't understand Scott that who gets 55,000 to locate what
properties sure I believe ays mile so this this is the I don't know Council if you recall when we had our strategic planning workshop we've we started a strategic site selection um program with ou of probably before covid started and
they were responsible for uh finding out those specific pad ready uh locations in the city unfortunately we haven't had any traction so we are basically at their Mercy at this point and they drop the project because of lack on funding on their so we're just trying to bring
that back hire the consultant and um and restart that process again because right now we have no nothing available for I wouldn't give a dollar to a consultant for that I think we have enough people up here that you know we're we we've been in this community for so many years I think
there's enough people in the audience that can give a better idea than any consultant around here what's available out there that my that's my two cents on that I'm sorry city manager uh and then mayor certainly understanding what what the council is saying uh I would
recommend at this point just to remove those those three items from this budget amendment uh amend that budget amendment minus those three items uh and then the council will be able to approve the remaining items in the budget amendment council member Urban yeah I
agree with removing this this might be a future Workshop topic um to something that U council member Gilbert said I do believe economic development that should be one of our top priorities and we need to look at funding sources for being able to do this but I agree with uh
getting our ducks in a row first and making sure that we're not getting the cart before the horse so I'm I'm good with that Deputy Mayor Fletcher um yeah I I completely agree with you um I think we do need to uh to get her her ducks in a row here and uh take a look at where the
where the money um is being spent um I know that's a priority um for this Council um and we've had you know workshops about Economic Development and things of that nature um I'm sure if we went back and we went through the slides that we' seen at the economic development Workshop I'm sure it was placed somewhere in there um I'm sure a
budget amendment or at least I hope a budget amendment wouldn't be brought forward without some type of understanding um what it was for um that was a lengthy conversation that we had um at our strategic committing session so if if staff could take a look at this and and get us some information um some additional information and if it is
necessary or determined that it is necessary then to bring it back at a later date but at this time I don't think I can support this okay uh Co can you go back I'm sorry to the other slides I think we just need to kind of look at all of them obviously I'm great with firefighters uh
what is the the CM 201101 changing 150,000 the funding source for that's that's the third floor um remodel that's already in process over here so it was previously funded
with the uh the 150,000 of the general fund and so it's just changing the funding source uh to the 1% sirar charge fund so that can relieve the general fund of 150,000 because you know the general fund we need for Public Safety
um needs okay and same for same for the 426,000 182 and the 3.2 for the Edgewater East did we strike a deal on that
already uh mayor that was the uh proposed price that we had discussed during the workshop that Council had given direction to move forward with at the 3.2 uh we have not gotten the appraisal back yet um that was what the deal was
based on the price that they had given at the time so that is part of the reason that we're doing the appraisal uh along with the survey of the property because if you recall that went back to the size of the property and we're not sure yet on the exact acreage of usable
property for that location that would be the the 3.2 would be the worst case scenario so are we mooving we're moving over 3.2 million of impact fees or cash
it's Parks and Recreation impact general fund money it's all parks impact yes sir all Impact fees okay because we're talking about taking from different pots you know with these things and that's correct this is all parks and wreck correct and and what's the capital project
fund um all capital projects have to be accounted for in a separate fund impact fees do not hold capital projects it's just a separate fund so the the parks impact fees transfer to fund 300 the capital projects that's
where the project is expended and recognized from an accounting perspective impact fee funds cannot hold projects they're Revenue funds only it's just the account that it actually gets paid out of okay moving
from the moving from the impact fees to the capital project fund so that they can be expended that's correct Deputy Mayor Fletcher um uh Deputy city manager I'm assuming um I mean obviously I believe that this is you guys are basically gearing up for for the items
that are coming before us I mean you could only do a budget amendment at a council meeting right right so so there only we'd have to wait a whole another month for items to come forward so yes sir that's correct and and that $50,000 that third floor model is this building
or this room here all the uh the the changes and upgrades that that we've gone over with Council and that's worst case scenario again for the same reason and it is the one% surcharge fund so the net effect of this budget amendment to the general
fund is the general fund is getting 576 82 back okay council member Paul yes can I get clarification on the $5,000 to trade mission
trips uh I cannot give that to you I don't that's interet ecomic development director the 160 is not going to be yeah we're not we're just gonna pull sounds like you're pulling that one off and we'll re we'll just remove remove that from the
resolution and I'll give the city clerk an updated one tomorrow thank you sir can I make a comment if we have $50,000 for the funding which I understand we do need these chairs are 28 30 years old uh would there be a line item budget of what each things cost because if we have
to approve it there is there is a line we see it before we approve it I mean I maybe I'm wrong but I don't know if I've seen it and my suggestion would be as we get bigger and more crowded to to have uh the videos downstairs because there's certain uh items that come up and we
have it a packed house we would want to accompany the the citizens downstairs if there's an item down the line where the seats will be empty but we filled up these seats sometimes so is that part of the remodeling is downstairs we have all those monitors it could be watched the city council meeting could be watched if
it's overcrowded here and as people leave and their items come up that the citizens want to talk about or the contractors that would just be to me it' makees sense as we get bigger there's 142 CHS here I think and sometimes we have over 200 some people I just line
items I guess sure and and uh our capital projects David Bridle is here this evening if you wouldn't mind coming up to talk a little bit more about what's in this project please our interior designer hit Miss don't ask my wife that
uh David rdle strategic initiative project manager so as I understand we actually have the ability to be able to put that stuff on the screens downstairs so I can get with it to see if that's we can do that sooner rather than later um the upgrades in here include a whole new
AV system so all that'll be enhanced and you'll get new stuff uh displays in the DI upgraded di wrapped wallpaper wallpaper will be coming down painted new chairs flooring and everything and I know that monitors because because we talked about touch screens be able move
and go through the internet yes sir that that's item we correct that that's part of it and and I do just want to say that excuse me David has done a phenomenal job because when the initial uh pricing came in we did not know how much of the
project we were G to actually be able to complete because of those prices and and David and the clerk's office uh has have done a phenomenal job in uh getting this project down to something that we can actually do I couldn't agree with you
more $50,000 for a rental is to that scale is very very well and I'd like to thank you for doing that I would just like to Encompass some other viewing areas of this in case the the Das and the council meeting gets too crowded that they'll be able to visualize it somewhere here in the
absolutely uh Jeff the uh 3.2 we're going to vote on the purchase of that Park I guess when if at whatever price that comes you'll have to come back before we're not just saying here's 3.2 go got that will all come back I figured that I just want to make sure we got a
second track at any unspent funding will be returned to Parks impact fees or transferred to another project which utilizes Parks impact fees one okay are we anticipating a purchase of that soon are they are they going to be back with
their with the environmental soon on soon as we get that back yes sir we are waiting to get that back along with the survey we've been in touch with uh the developers everything is moving along on the process okay thank you all right how many items we had
three on this one there we go the Ral road that is the um Trail yes sir what is the Cano Creek widening is that the going through Cano Creek Woods or coming across um I'm uncertain as the particulars of the project but again
this project was already funded and approv this is an administrative budget correction so it's it's doing it's not giving more money it's just accounting for the money that's already been approved okay council member Urban if
I'm not mistaken and maybe the deputy city manager could correct me but um this is for the actual widening of Cano Creek Road from 192 to uh to Deer Run is that correct the PD and study or whatever I
believe so I'm bringing that up right here if you just bear with me for a moment was that a shared expense with the county a PD study I think this got in motion even before I was here but I think the city said that they would front the money for the PDN to get it
started quicker yeah the project started four years ago hence the 21 in the number st2 21104 okay Mr is that it those six that's
it all right can I entertain a motion uh to uh approve everything but the one motion to approve removing the 160 line item second we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second from council member Urban Madam clerk please
call the RO council member Urban I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z thank you thank you sir thank you cool mayor if I may yes sir uh just to
address your question I apologize it took me a moment there the uh can Creek widening that was uh part of the initial budget uh and the transfer the mobility impact fees was not included at that time it should have been um and this is
correcting that that uh item there that's all that is yes sir all right thank you all right just in time for Council action and we have discussion possible action to authorize imminent domain proceedings for the Rumble Road rumel Road Trail
project and the City attorney you have your light on over there I do I guess we're going to talk about this so as you're aware the Rumble Road Project is a project that's been on the uh uh it was approved by the city council to move forward with it it's actually a trail
project um the city has been working with a uh independent uh Consultants to acquire the properties that are needed for it uh we are down right now to acquiring interest in two properties that are needed that we feel like it might be necessary for the city to
proceed with eminent domain proceedings on it uh there is both of the par partials are vacant one is what's referred to as a fee simple acquisition of property that that is owned by the Savannah Park Homeowner Association the other is a temporary construction easement that is required from a
property owner that uh um that will not acquiring the property but we need the we need an needman to be on the property to work with them and we've had some difficulty getting in touch with that property owner so this item is to discuss and and request authorization for our office through our litigation
team to pursue eminent domain to acquire the rights to uh to use those properties for the intended purposes for the rumal road Trail project uh we this process requires that the city has the property of Praise which we already have had and
that we provide formal notice to the the property owners of what the city is Desiring what they're willing to pay for the interest and if they accept that then um we'll have it it'll be resolved if they if they don't then we'd have to pursue an eminent doain domain action
it's not something that staff was intending to do however given the timing of the project to preserve the grant money and to be able to get the project completed we think it's it's necessary this time to um authorize um authorize to authorize our office to pursue a them
in of domain Mr R's here he can talk to you more about the particulars of the project if you want to talk about it and what what it's going to look like at the end I think he can talk about that inside outside design talented and we do have a we do have a
map right we right we have a presentation uh that we can show though not sure if abys m is doing that or if Mr Bridal is doing that oh I'm sorry I thought sorry Dave I thought let me switch hats real quick I apologize um yes I we SM break City strategic
initiative administrator also Deputy city clerk um so the Roma Road Trail it's uh it's an e foot multiuse Trail along the Romo Road uh starting from Mississippi all the way to the equestrian center uh like Dan mentioned earlier is it's it's
some Grand funding implications in this as well uh it's part of a missing link of a Regional Trail system uh it was essentially connect Oola County all the way to Orange County as well as provide an Avenue for access to Chisum Park tra
as well uh it is a uh so I can give you an example here here's a map it might be a little bit difficult to see uh but if you can see on the red you can follow it's 1.4 miles so a mile point4 there and it will also include a trail head
parking uh with access to chison park uh the original design had it all along uh the Romo Road uh but however in in discussion with the property owners and and well as safety prec questions uh the city already uh own RightWay what is the
depicted in the orange looking color uh on the back there I believe it's called the Cypress RightWay Cypress Avenue RightWay if I'm not mistaken on on the map uh the property that is in enclosed or depicted by the red uh color there is
the property in question for the m& domain that's the property that is currently owned by the Savannah Park HOA the reason why this is coming forward is because now that trail with this this is the old alignment but now with this new alignment will bring the property or the
trail out through that property um so it is an absolute must that the city acquires it as is an integral part of this project once again this this was the original layout but now with the new layout uh if as you can see the trail uh
will absolutely go through the property uh I believe the property is is it's it's it's based on the appraisal report is non-buildable uh there's a ditch in there some vegetation uh so the city is uh asking for the purchase of it so that we can M maintain it and and and add it
to our project uh the steps that we've taken so far so it all started uh with a courtesy notice to the property owners back in August of 2024 noce notifying them of the the start of the project um there
was subsequently a series of call phone calls and emails between City staff and the sa Savannah Park HOA Representatives um when the decision was made to uh redesign the trail to come out from that property uh we moved the
discussions from a temporary construction eement to uh its best for the city to purchase it due to safety concerns the need for improvements for um storm water and also for if I'm not mistaken there's some
infrastructure coming from that property as well that that's needed for this project uh we have been the city has been part of a series of HOA meetings and in discussions with the city uh with the HOA attorney but we have not had any
type of resolution as far as an agreement to purchase the property uh like I mentioned uh this is is tied to a grant the grant uh unfortunately the city has asked for multiple extensions so we are in our second one and we have until o October of 2026 to build this if
not we're going to have to return that money uh so that if you can see this is why the pressing concern of starting this process right now uh we haven't had any luck with the HOA uh Unfortunately they have heaved against their attorney's advice of selling to the city
and and and they have sto uh the negotiations we haven't had any quorums or anything like that so it's been a little bit more difficult than just dealing with one person since we're dealing with a group um so because of that strous situations that's what we we're here in front of
you this evening if you have any questions I defer to the Sant matter expert which is our Capital Improvement um Guru Mr David Bridle and he has more specifics in on the designs uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just want to say thank you to to staff for working
through this um I had the opportunity to take a look at at some of the plans I believe some of them they think they had sent them them out to to the entire Council when I looked at I looked at the map I was like why are we dipping South and coming across why couldn't we have just vacated that and
then you know basically given the that block of of property there you know water front per se or you know retention Pond you know front edge can we move back two slides or to the map while talking about it and and and run that go
back is that the one you yeah so so if you see here if if we that's our RightWay so if we vacated that orange all that orange and then ran the the the trail along Rumble which would match the rest of the trail um my understanding is
and staff tried to work with all of these Property Owners to be able to to to come up with that but they were unwilling to to work with us because the property owners cross street right so so all of these so this is really the only solution um to this um I did have some
residents from savan par reach out um they were concerned about um us taking down trees um I believe the the plans that were sent they identified 18 um trees but we were replacing 18 trees um and then I I
had recommended maybe we add some benches and things of that nature you could do a little par pocket park over here maybe on the on the corner um this is my first eminent domain um case that's coming before me I don't take it lightly because you are taking folks property um however in this case it is
an HOA there's not a house on it you're not bulldozing somebody's house and I do think the overall benefit of this um it will be very nice once once all this is connected I know folks who commute to and from work that come all the way from nusi Road on bicycles every single day
and this will be a lot safer for them to uh to get downtown um to work so council member Gilbert well I I do know some folks also David and Allen that take the all time and U they're they're they're frequent uh great folks
down in in in City St Cloud the cool thing is this is going to bring you all the way to CMI this is the the trail we're talking about goes down Lakes Shore goes up there goes all the way to City of CMI in town downtown casmi uh which what in Mobility you look
at and the metrop plan you look at uh Vehicles you look at uh trains you look at buses and you look at walking and you look at biking and the more Mobility you can get with biking and walking and and trails and bus transer the less traffic is on the road and so I agree with this
100% one question I have will this path take you all the way to nusi road because it crosses over and then there's some streets there's some uh houses on that street and the sidewalks are done and at the equestrian center it runs out and the sidewalk it says sidewalks ended
we all know that and there's a sign there but you know some people need signs but but my question is is this road gonna be continuous to nusi road which then again is another Corridor for people driving down CI to get downtown without having to use Vehicles my idea
with this is lessening car traffic you know you look at the European model there's a lot more Transit we don't have it we have one person per vehicle too many vehicles and not enough Transit this is another idea for Transit that will help the citizens and the joy
Walkers of of the city of St Cloud all the way to S to to CMI so uh I don't like Emma domain mine first too and if it was a house I'd say what else can we do but this looks like a viable solution U and I I was commented one of the uh
residents said well what about the alligators uh you know they could come on the path well this is Florida I don't know I've been golfing and they pass right through me so I don't think alligators is something we have to worry about putting a path down R run so I yield back to you mayor but I just was making sure this is connected to nusi
because that will take you all the way to Chisum Park but both ways all the way up to wind Dixie in public area there so thank you for all you do and uh I you back so to answer your question yes it crosses over to the north side to the existing sidewalk goes to the just past the equest center and that'll be the
trail parking head and then we're building a sidewalk on the North side all the way and then connecting back to the South so yes you'll be able to go from their SE all the I I do it'll be used it it will definitely be used yeah I agree with council member Gilbert this is the poster child for eminent domain I
believe it is the uh there's really only one home that's Direct ly impacted that's adjacent to it the rest of it we already own that that that area so in the or so um I definitely support that uh council member Urban yeah uh just to
Echo those comments I don't take imminent domain lightly at all but uh it's not impacting somebody's home that's being knocked down and I'd invite my fellow council members to once this is complete to walk with me from nusi road all the way to CMI we'll
do as long as it's not July all right council member Paul um I agree on the inate domain um taking you know people's property but being that this is vacant one question is will there be some type of fencing Along aine on
number six the property there so Stephie and I have spoken about possible Alternatives because right now he has like a four foot chain chain link fence so sephie and I have discussed we're going to approach him after this went through to see about putting a six inch
like PVC fence and then he would at that juncture once we turn it over we could Dr something up where he could main yeah he said six six foot six foot that's pretty six foot uh PVC fence or something that the homeowner would want
to help appease him and still provide some privacy thank you all right and do we need to take a vote on anything on moving forward D should ask for public comic uh can I get some anyone in the audience like to
comment on this item all right with that can I get to a motion to move forward on the emminent domain for that parcel I'll make a motion to move forward on emminent domain on that parcel second motion made by mayor Robertson second by council member Urban
Madam clerk please call the RO council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member Urban I mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 zero right next we have discussion possible action regarding Lateef front franchise agreement with uh for operation of
riverboat cruises with Toho Riverboat Adventures LLC yes uh wanted to discuss if you recall back in November city council had a discussion uh regarding the operations of the riverbat at that time it has been
uh shut down since that period of time the uh Council had directed that the monthly payments were still coming in which they have been we are aware that uh the owner's Representatives have been making attempts to sell the boat and the
operations uh there have been a couple of offers from our understanding but nothing has uh completely materialized yet that that met all of the needs and what we are looking for at this point is to terminate the existing agreement uh
for Council to uh make a motion to terminate the existing agreement which would allow for the city to then negotiate with whoever the new owners would be when that comes up uh so we'd be able to renegotiate that
agreement with them as well as make sure that the boat um should we need to move it uh or have it moved we would have a remedy in which to do so all right when anyone in the audience like to speak on this item
yep Mr Crisp And as Mr crisp is coming up Mr Gilbert I'm going to need to recru myself from this yeah he has a conflict so he's going to have to follow it thank you sir yes sir and can we please have your name and your address for the record robt Chris 41 great a um we had a
like the the uh Deputy city mayor mentioned we had a couple offers we came really really close and closing a deal with the Mr Potter and um at the very last second he backed out for a different um uh something else come across his
that caught his eye and so he decided to do that and he come back to with us so that if we were willing to wait for him for four or five months then uh he would love to come back and buy the boat I haven't had a meeting with the investors since that time um my recommendation to
them would be not to go with Mr Potter because you know if he's gonna walk out the last second and what's goingon to do again um they're supposed to be according to um Mr Lawrence's uh Power of Attorney a new buyer um cash buyer and they're
supposed to actually have um meet with Mr Lawrence tomorrow um via also County jail and discuss some of the um final details on it supposedly it's it looks last I heard is looking promising so hopefully it
won't be too much down the road and when you create a new contract it'll be with a new owner on a new circumstances that's really all I've got um coming I've been paying the payment every month because I don't want it to be a
legit isore or problem um I know you I could stand here and go oh you know what let the city do something with it let the city do something with this 100 ton boat but I didn't that's not right there was a contract that was involved and up
to this point I have made sure that that contract stayed in the correct way which is what it should be and which it should be done even if it you know comes out one of the Investor's Pockets so be it we'll figure it out and to Mr Chris's credit thank you very much you you've been been handling
it very professionally and we we do appreciate it everything's been on time and uh we appreciate the communication that we've had from you as well absolutely and I I can always they have so far the city has had no problems contacting me or uh Zoom meeting me or anything I you know long as I'm off and
on going on I don't mind doing it but that's all I have updates for the boat any question well we got Deputy Mayor Fletcher wants to say something yes sir I just want to say thank you again thank you for everything that you do in the community as a whole not just the boat but but app for everything um I
was born here this is my town and um you know I am in favor of the the the city's recommendation staff's recommendation um I just had a question for the chief I apologize for not asking this in advance um have we had any issues as far as folks down there on the boat
any any possible stuff down there no sir it's it's been quiet down there we actually do extra patrols down there we do watch it the lights go on there you still have some Christmas stuff still up on there I think and uh but it's uh we've had no issues down there at all sir um it is a concern though as it sits there stagnant we just want to make sure
that there's nothing that's going to fall into the Waterway so our Marine Patrol actually does go look at it every once in a while and we check it just to make sure it's intact thank you and mayor if I could there two so if you follow the staff's recommendation and unfortunately we think that's what
you what the council needs to do to at least get this in a point where you can negotiate with a new buyer from basically a clean slate um there they there wouldn't be any payment of that franchise fee that Mr crisp has been paying uh additionally as I understand
it um maybe don't see Stephanie so maybe the chief knows more there is power that's needed for to maintain the boat at least parts of the boat and that power is provided by the city and the it is paid for out of the money Mr crisp
has basically been paying that for the last couple of months so if we are terminate the age just want the council be aware that I think it would be prudent to keep the power on but that might be funds that the city would not would have to pay and wouldn't recover what do we think takes to run the power
on that every month 100 bucks if that I think right Mr Chris can you tell me what have you been paying every month can you can you come to the microphone I
paid about a thousand bucks maybe it was around 1200 first month and then since that time it's been a little bit less I'm not sure why but it was been like maybe 1143 48 that's the power difference so the the franchise fee is $750 a month so that that amount that
he's been paying Above This above 750 is the power piece if you want to send me the bill or send the investors a bill I'll take care of it for the power I have no problem keep paying it that that boat is it's essential that boat has power for pumps anything else unless you want it to uh be sitting there at the
bottom of the lake there you don't want that is there anything we can do to not have I mean I guess you have to keep it there and it's got to have the pumps going huh yeah if you can send me a bill every month we'll take care of it app or I'll take care of it say don't speak investors but I'll make sure it gets paid Deputy Mayor Fletcher's got
something to um I wanted to ask um um Dan and and you um I'm in agreement with with terminating the the franchise agreement um my understanding that is you're saying that they that that Mr Lawrence is working with somebody um now
currently to possibly a buyer that's is correct that's that's a pretty pretty recent so it would be a lot easier not to cancel the franchise agreement and just transfer the ownership of of of the company right of that particular company
and then they could go my concern is is I think we should potentially say yes we're going to terminate it in 30 days if the sale hasn't taken place like give some notice so maybe kind of push and nudge that along and then it auto terminates if it if that didn't happen
that way if we because if we cut it off now it's they're going to go well I want to buy it but then I got to go and I got to work with the city to make sure that we can do it and then it you know it could potentially be a lot more I'm not so sure the contract would just easily go from us to the new buyer that's my only because you could just transfer the
ownership of the LLC that yeah I think Mr Fletch I understand what you're saying and and and we're we're okay with that if that's what the coun council wants to do we could give notice of termination 30 days from today uh if you if if you want to do it that way we certainly can do that and that would I
think accomplish our office's concern with regard to the future of the corporation that owns the boat um one of the uncertainties of is that the prin in that Corporation may or may not be able to continue to operate that Corporation in the future we don't know certainty of
that so we were trying to avoid the situation where the principal of that Corporation is coming back to the city saying nope I'm good let me have the boat back and uh so that's why we were we wanted to bring it before you tonight since uh something you know the You know
despite what appears to be some pretty strong efforts they were not able to get it sold by now which was what we would all thought when we talked with Mr Chris months ago that's what we we didn't think we'd be here today we thought we' be done by now for sure and so but yeah our Our concern was you know similar to
what they've experienced where they where things looked like it was going to happen and then all of a sudden it didn't happen just trying to make sure we're not in a a situation like that but I'm okay with it if the council wants to approve termination on a 30-day notice provision you know with 30 days from
tomorrow uh that that would be fine 30-day no and then that if it is transferred then that who whoever the the owner of that LLC can no longer obviously operate or in enter into agreement so it would have to be transferred right we would anticipate we
that's another reason for doing this because we wanted to make sure the new order came back to the city and look to have a clean slate in a new contract because that contract is I mean there's got to be what four years left three and a half years left on that contract that's what makes that doing it that way
attractive to the the potential buyer and not having to come back and renegotiate it so I'm thinking a 30 to 45 day provision and then whoever is out there saying like you better get it done because you're going to lose I believe there's added value to the time of that contract
because once that contract goes away it's just a boat in water well but I I also think that that the council has been pretty clear in its direction about how they want the boat to continue to operate and and and we would Envision bringing back a very similar agreement in terms of time and length length of
the agreement uh to do it now um so we would we certainly would have enough direction from the council to negotiate with a new owner a similar contract really hard to get us Finish Line the first time on it so anything that we can do to yeah make get it Opera we spent a
lot of we had a lot of effort on this we don't want it to go away learned a lot on that so you're running the meeting now Mr Fletcher where do you go don't he you thank goodness you're
back he was stretching while you're run the meeting for us that's the first time no heads up at all told did we vote so no we didn't Mr Fletcher just to recap requested that if we do a termination we' do it as with a 30-day notice
provision which is acceptable so if the council wants to take make a motion to terminate uh giving the the the the operator 30 days notice of the termination basically effective 30 days from tomorrow then that would be
fine motion to terminate 30 days from tomorrow second we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher to terminate 30 days starting tomorrow and we have a second from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the RO Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I
council member uran I mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4 Z thank you Bobby thank you guys all right next we have discussion possible action regarding appointments to boards and committees with vacancies for the finance committee Planning Commission Recreation advisory committee
and Zoning Board of adjustment and I do believe we also have we're going to do the uh stcloud veterans advisory committee on there as well right yes sir that that's correct um as council is aware uh there are some uh
changes that needed to be done with with three of the boards um the finance committee uh at the time that the Council made those appointments there was uh council member Urban the the individual that uh he was looking to find out about whether they wanted to
still serve or not um staff has reached out to to that individual and that individual has indicated that he does not wish to be reappointed so council member Urban does have a vacant appointment uh on that finance
committee I would like to appoint Don streer mayor if I could also bring up uh or maybe I should wait till we get to the the Planning Commission but um I received an email from uh Planning Commission member about the appointments that we did at the last
meeting and um although it's not a a policy um typically when we appoint new members we appoint them to the alternate positions and the reappointed members are reappointed to the the main board of their position well at the last meeting
one of the um Planning Commission members that requested reappointment was appointed to um an alternate position Don griggsby so it was sort of a de demotion and I know she served on there for quite
a while has a bit of experience so um I would like to propose if if the council is willing to um one of the newer members to go on the alternate seat and to put Don gri griggsby back on the on the main board or or in the vacant spot
second that can we just move that person to vacant yeah how do that's what I'm Wonder yeah you said move it to the vacant is that kind of the is there a vacant seat now yeah we have that information right we'll we'll
get to the next one do we need to do a motion on on the first one on the finance committee can I get a motion on um it's yours go ahead I have motion to approve for uh Don streer uh we have a motion from council member Urban for Dawn streer second second from Deputy Mayor Fletcher madam cler please call
the RO council member Paul I council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 zero thank you uh and then on on that Planning Commission um what had happened during
the last appointments uh and again that is a non- coterminous board uh Miss Ruby bridgeforth was appointed to seat five on the Planning Commission and was Al appointed as alternate one to the zoning Board of adjustments as
you're aware no individual can serve on both of those committees uh staff had reached out as did council member Paul and spoke to Ruby and she had requested uh to serve on the Planning Commission
uh at that point which then um that feeds into your uh in into your discussion because right now you have uh seat five would have been filled uh as
was appointed uh with Miss bfor and then there was the alternate 2 position uh which was there which Council certainly can uh make any of those changes so the vacant seat was council
member Paul selected somebody for that seat but was also selected for one that was a conflict yeah well she's also she was also appointed to the to the board of zoning and adjustment those are two boards that you cannot co- serve on because they're both quasa judicial
boards all right I think we leave it up to um council member Paul it's your discretion of since that was your seip that you appointed somebody to um what you want to do on previous um appointments that I did I reached out or the individuals who did do application
they did reach out to indicate that they were interested in there um as you can see even though there are some that did Reach Out requested reappointment and you assigned them to them but then they didn't want to be on there um these nominees they confirmed with me that
they were very interested in being a part of the board so that is why I selected Miss bridgeforth and confirm with her so okay so would you like to make a motion for one or so since she can't so
right now she's Miss Bri 4th is appointed on the Planning Commission as a seat five right correct and as an alternate on dza correct on on Alternate as zoning on the board and Zoning adjustment okay so
I think Miss Paul you you were okay with appointing her to the Planning Commission is that you're saying that's what she wants to okay so uh that would stay that appointment would stay and she would the alternate position on the board of zoning and adjustments would now be would now be
vacant that make sense to to council member Urban your your uh comment about miss this grisbee as of now she is alternate two on planning right yeah and they had um
requested and and again it's uh obviously up to the council but um typically when we appoint new members they start off un alternate and then move up um and and I had heard from a uh might have been couple of members on the Planning Commission that um they were a
little upset that the the currently serving members were kind of bumped down to alternate to and they've been serving there for a while so I just wanted to see if the council had an interest in and doing it that way or or if we want to just keep it as is but I agree bring
that up that's how we've done it in the past le as long as I yeah no and I understand that um Deputy Mayor Fletcher your like on did you have some that was something that's coming um and that's I understand that that's kind of your view on it um I mean I
don't think anybody has the right to a seat and nothing against Miss griggsby but I can't I mean how do we tell somebody that's already on there now that they've got to get off if they've been appointed and who do we tell anyone allow to speak no ma'am no
ma'am what uh what I would do if if the council would agree with that is I think that Megan Marshall was appointed as a new member at the last meeting I would flipflop uh those seats put her on Alternate to and and and put uh Miss
griggsby on on seat four um and and a lot of times I think Dan might be able to speak to this a lot of times the alternates do vote and it and and people rotate through the the Committees and the alternates move up to to fulltime seats as well but um that's
just typically how we've done it in the past and I would prefer it to keep that system but if if not just throwing it out there I would support that adjustment so remember these are coterminous positions on the planning zoning commission so I don't well no
they're at large they're all at large they all at large yeah I thought okay never mind I apologize strike that who who made that was that me for four that's kind of where I was going I don't remember large and that's where it
should be the person who actually made the motion to and appointed that person to actually undo it if they wanted to and not a motion in a second to do that that's not um but in this case I do understand that uh I I don't know Miss
griggsby uh she didn't reach out to me and and tell me that she had interest and and um uh is is Miss Marshall here okay now she okay how do we handle that Dan do we uh did
right now because I respect my council members I really um it's it's an unusual request but uh well I was S I was gonna say I was gonna miss mayor it it is a little difficult and unusual to undo it even though it was only recently appointment you've got a sort of a
domino effect um for example you know we represent both those boards and we present it so I know Miss Marshall serves on the board of zoning and adjustments okay so if you I'm sure she wanted to serve on Planning and Zoning commission and she put that in there and essentially doing that she
now gave up her seat on Planning and Zoning I'm I'm sorry on bza so it's sort of there there's like a domino effect associate with trying to undo it that U uh I think is a little unusual which one did you you said she's on zoning or no
she can't be on zoning board well she was she was on she was up until to be on planning zone right so she has s again you know we we we go to those meetings so we she has attended the board of zoning she was on a member of the board of zoning adjustment so my point is it's
you know that's sort of a difficult path to undo as as Paul pointed out you don't she made her appointment that's your appointment that she wanted for that kind of kind of unusual try to undo it after the fact you know um yeah and I don't have any emotional attachment to
it it's I don't know Mrs Marshall I saw she applied for it um so I'll go ahead do you have something to say de M um I just well my light was on for I want to go back to another board um but uh Miss gisby is Don are you here I'm not Don
but I am one of the people okay okay okay I just I wanted to if if you were I would like to to want to comment if you allow it doesn't to me it it doesn't matter um it would be my selection and you know I I extended out to the rest of
you during that in the courtesy of hey if if we had some of the coterminous ones I I kind of defer to you guys for the at large ones so I kind of we spread it out evenly so this was one that I selected um and I'm not saying no but
I'm not going to be bullied into it with that and say hey let's bring these people up that's not how this works I do know that there are wasn't trying to understand but that's that's not how we do that I know that they have have um mayor sorry long City attorney um what's
the process on this if we were to do this it's unusual that's why well I think so if if your intent is to move Miss grips gridsby from an alternate position on the Planning and Zoning commission to a
seat on the Planning and Zoning commission I don't believe is there anybody at the last time was there anybody other than Miss Marshall that were appointed to the Planning and Zoning commission meeting and Miss bridgeforth was there another appointment those are the only just two
so miss Paul has already indicated she's Happ that Miss bridgeforth so the only way he could rectify it would be to swap Miss Marshall and Miss Griggs griggsby no I would be okay with that what if Miss Marshall's term expired on boa well well I know that but she could
have for Z what so um either way but that's to corrected that's the way you would I would be in support of that if um if that if we're allowed to if she would accept that right I mean that's well it's your call are we allowed to do that it's your call yes I I would be in
support of that um of council member Urban's request to um we can swap Megan Marshall and move Dawn griggsby to the seat four yeah and again my my intention was not to to to take
your your pick or or anything I'm just communicating this the only time we're able to talk with each other about these things I was communicating an email that I rece from a couple of members of the Planning Commission and and their concerns so if it's not the pleasure of the council I completely understand no
our feelings of just communicating that to everyone no and I'd be okay with that if that's the case and and I did receive emails as well and I spoke with Dan I spoke with Veronica and Scott we kind of hashed it out a lot and kind of went through it but if that is um what you
would like to do I would support that uh so we can go ahead and take a vote on that I'd like to I'll go ahead and make a motion to move uh currently seat for Megan Marshall to the alternate two seat mayor and can I just make one recommendation yes ma'am
in the future for those who apply for these boards um it's important if they could reach out to the council members so that way they do know that they're interested in it um Mr Norman for example was on the recreation I don't know how many times I've seen him at
events and Miss Paul and that was just communication between him and I that he was very interested in it um I think in a future if the applicants can do that that would be great yes I agree thank you Mr Mayor were you completing I'm
gonna go ahead well we have coun Deputy Mayor Fletcher's got something else to say here um I just wanted to go back to the the firefighter and police pension board well can we do you mind if we clean this thing up first we hav sett I'm making a motion to
go ahead and move Megan Marshall from seat four to alternate two and Don griggsby to seat four I'll second that we have a motion from mayor Robertson second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the RO council member Urban hi council
member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Zer and then we had one more that has uh the vacant seats unless Deputy Mayor if you wanted to the where was the fire I just
wanted to go back to the the let's see here the firefighter and police pension board I would like to remove Fran Reinhardt um and propose that Garrett Stockdale um be appointed to that seconding
that uh we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher to remove Fran Reinhardt and replace with Garrett stockill and we have a second from council member Urban Madame clerk this with the firefighter and police pension board Madam clerk please call the role council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi
council member Paul hi council member Urban hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z and then mayor the council the the last one is the recreation advisory committee if you recall that's the one that the council combined the recreation
advisory committee teen advisory as well as the tree advisory and Lissa rodri uh who was on the tree advisory committee prior uh she was was appointed to the alternate one uh spot on the recreation advisory committee uh
she did not apply for the recreation advisory committee uh and staff uh has spoken with uh Miss rodrik and she did not wish to serve uh any longer on uh on any boards or committees so there is uh the alternate one on the recreation
advisory committee that does need to be filled I have a Christina Jones on on mine yeah I think she was the last one we just couldn't fill it because I think Lisa rejected it right away right correct Christina Jones was the the last one that that was on there all right I'm
mov to a motion alternate one seat for recreation advisory committee motion to approve oh who do you want to make can give us a name I thought the person that Christina Jones oh no that was the last person right oh
she did and Miss Jones did uh request reappointment got she did okay yep go ahead so we you're making a motion to reappoint Christina Jones correct all right and can we get a second uh sorry motion from council member Gilbert second second from council
member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member Urban I council member Gilbert hi mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Zer and then the last one would be the
new veterans Council or EXC excuse me we the zoning board then correct no because Ruby didn't if we moved excuse me if we moved Don gri griggsby to alternate I mean to
seat four so she'll serve PL so we're still missing an alternate too no we we moved Megan Marshall Oh I thought she moved her to boa no no she used to be there and now she's over right sorry my mistake now we're missing boa flipped
them so now yeah so that's an alternate position on the bo so now we have the alternate Zoning Board of adjustments yes and um I'll entertain a motion on that nobody applied for this Justa Bella Marie is the first right no it says
Planning Commission oh oh it just says also planing okay there you go that's the first would you like to make a motion to app point I I was just reading over mayor if I could look for more more second but that looks like the obvious choice to me
so yes I'll make a motion for that all right we have a motion from council member Gilbert to appoint joose bellia Marte to alternate seat uh to alternate number one for the Zoning Board of adjustments can I get a second second we
have a second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the RO council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z all right and now we have the new uh
veterans Council uh and as this Council had discussed and decided uh there would be 10 members uh from the public with each council member uh having two appointments to this new uh committee uh
with one of those members having to be a city resident all right um I'm going to go ahead and go ahead Dan yeah just quick just for little housekeeping so as the mayor informed me after talking to the US Senator's office remember this board
included 17 17 members seven of which are designated seats two of those were by the US senators for the State of Florida he we were advised that the US senator cannot appoint individuals to this board so we would askes the city
council consider reducing the number of that committee from 17 to 15 the same designated seats um that were that were in the prev and do so um I would need we can redraft the resolution to make sure it's all clear so if we can just have a
motion to reduce to eliminate those two seats and then we can amend the resolution yeah these are the designated seats not the 10 that we're going to be assigning right I'll make that motion all right we have a motion from council member Gilbert to remove the two US senator seats or design second second
from council member Urban Madame clerk please call the role council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5- Z all right we'll go ahead and go down
the line here um Deputy Mayor Fletcher can we get your appointees please um I'd like to uh appoint Rafael De Jesus and Joshua Sten camp all right and council member Gilbert I'd like to appoint Brian Wetzel um and I
don't have my next pointy I've have not asked him if he lived within the city boundaries for my second appointe but I have conversations with you and if I may get back with the councel i' appreciate that yes sir and uh council member Urban I would
like to appoint uh Carlton Davidson and David castner David I'm sorry David castner C K okay got you thank you and council member Paul um I would like to appoint cassablanca Warren who
is actually here tonight thank you and Tony Campbell who actually lives in the city of St Cloud and both were actually confirmed I did speak with them and they were okay with that so all right thank you and I I would
like to appoint uh Steven montiero and Francesca Langston Franchesca Frankie all right and can I get a motion to approve uh those those names added to
the St Club veterans advisory committee motion approve we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the role council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member uran hi mayor Robertson I motion carries 5 Z the mayor
one more housekeeping item on this if we could on this as you recall the way the resol the committee was was created one council member will rotate on the committee on an annual basis so mayor we would ask since the first one to rotate on give us a little bit of direction
about how soon you'd like this committee to meet so we can start coordinating that we want to yeah I'd like to go ahead and send letters out to those appointees and then we can go ahead and set schedule a meeting um I'm we're going to need for all of the appes to please fill out an application we can provide it online
because we're going to need their contact information to be able to proceed so we with mayor would you be looking at maybe getting a meeting scheduled in May as the first meeting what month in now March March ail I mean even April I mean I'm ready to get going I'll keep everybody up to
date every meeting I'll bring back well that's what that's what I think the purpose of having a council member on it so they can bring updates to it so so you want to try for April can coordinate okay is that okay yeah yeah so we would ask that you'd reach out to your appointees and let
them know they expect a is it just your typical form yeah it's on it's online isn't it okay yeah we can get Stacy email out to everyone thank you thank you okay we're done with that and next
we're at the first readings and introduction the next items on this agenda are ordinances before the council for first reading and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for final hearing the council will not take final action on the item tonight full presentations and public
input on the ordinances will occur at the final hearing at which the council will consider final action and will the clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number
K Street Pro providing for amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective date and can I get a motion on that
motion to approve I have a motion to approve from council member Urban second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson hi
motion carries 5 Z clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction of ordinance number 2025 d08 and ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida providing for the soning amendment of the soning map of the Land Development code of the city of St Cloud
Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately 1.15 Acres identified as m street from NB neighborhood business zoning designation to R3 multif family dwell zoning zoning designation with a medium density
residential future land use designation located east of Brown Chapel Road north of 10th Street south of Fifth Street West of McKay Street providing for entering the designation on the official zoning map filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication severability and effective
date and can I get a motion on this item motion to approve motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Gilbert Madam clerk please call the role council member Paul I council member uran council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi
mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4- Z and clerk please call the red uh read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 20254 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida assigning
a future land use designation MDR medium density residential to approximately 17.18 Acres identified as Eastside Park PUD located north of e East 10 Street south of Lake Running meat providing for
amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability copies on file and effective date and can I get a motion on that item
motion approve motion to approve from council member Gilbert second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the RO council member Urban I council member Gilbert I council member sorry Deputy Mayor Fletcher council member Paul I mayor Robertson I
motion carries 4 Z and clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 20255 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a zoning District of PUD plan
development for approximately 17.18 Acres identified as East Side park PUD located north of East 10 Street south of Lake runy me providing for entering the designation on the official zoning map providing for approval of the
preliminary master plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation proof of publication severability and effective date can I get a motion on that item motion to approve motion approved council member Urban
second second council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher council member Paul hi council member Iran hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4- Z and clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction
for ordinance number 202- 18 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida to Annex into the city of stcloud approximately 8.48 AC identified as wild Willie airbolt located east of Apache Road
South of casmi Park Road West of lake tooeka in accordance with the voluntary annexation provision of chapter 17144 Florida Statutes and can I get a motion on this item motion approve motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second
council member Paul Madam clerk please call the rooll council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 4 Z and clerk please read the next item
first reading and introduction for ordinance number 20259 an ordinance of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a future land use designation mix use to approximately 8.48 Acres identified as wild willly airbats
located east of apachi Road South of KMI Park Road West of Lake too piga providing for amending the official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability
copies on file and effective date and can we get a motion on that item motion approve motion from Deputy am Fletcher second second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the RO council member Urban hi council member Gilbert Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi
council member Paul I mayor Robertson I motion carries 4 Z clerk please read the next item first reading an introduction of ordinance number 202-20 and ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida providing for the soning amendment of the soning
map of the Land Development code of the city of St Cloud Florida specifically changing the soning designation of approximately 8.48 Acres identified as wild wheie airbats for from mix mixed use County uh zoning designation to mxd
mixed youth City Zoning designation with a mixed use future land designation located east of Apache Road South of CMI Park Road West of Lake tooa providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and
proof of publication severability and effective date and can I get a motion on that item motion approve we have a motion from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the RO council member Gilbert hi Deputy
Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi council member Urban I mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z and clerk please call the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 202-21 and ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida to Annex
into the city of stcloud approximately 13.32 Acres identified as puffing Road commercial located east of Tay West Drive North of Brank Oak Road South of East ear Bronson Memorial Highway and West of Burber Oak Bur Oak Boulevard in
accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 171 044 Florida Statutes all right is the applicant here to speak on this item John yeah hey John I I just had a quick
question for you on this sir what's the I think we we touched on it briefly with the proposed use so we talking about restaurants or like he said commercial on that yes so this is uh John Adams RJ W Associates CM
Florida or a Broadway CM Florida uh where they representative for the application uh there's not a actual user yet for it uh they're going through they have commercial land use in the county uh they want commercial land use in the city and they want a commercial Highway
business district uh until they get that zoning District they can't Market the property to sell for a user okay but the highway business only allows commercial no residential in that yeah no that's good I like it thank you Deb May
Fletcher your lights on sorry sorry city city clerk anybody else want to turn the lights on on all right can I get a motion to approve that item motion approve motion approved Deputy Mayor Fletcher second
second Deputy Mayor I'm sorry uh council member Paul Madam clerk please call the W mayor Fletcher council member Paul hi council member Urban hi council member Gilbert hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z and clerk please read the next item
first reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025 d22 and ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida assigning a fature land use designation of commercial to approximately 13.32 Acres identified as puffing Road commercial located east of
Tay West Drive North of Brank Oak Road South of East ear Bronson Memorial Highway and West of ber Oak Boulevard providing for amending the official official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and
effect severability copy on file and effective date and can we get a motion on that item motion to approve motion to approve Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madam clerk please call the r council member Paul I council member
Urban I council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z and clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025 d23 and ordinance
of the city council of the city of St Cloud Florida assigning a zoning District of HB Highway business zoning designation compatible with a commercial future land use designation adopted by ordinance number 2025 d23 uh for approximately
13.32 Acres identified as puffing Road commercial located east of Tay West Drive North of bran Oak Road South of East erlo Bronson Memorial Highway and West of Bur Oak Boulevard providing for entering the designation of the off on the official zoning map fing of the
Planning Commission recommendation and proof of Publications availabilities in effective date and can we get a motion on that motion to approve motion to approve Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from uh council member Urban Madam clerk please call the role council member
Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z Madam I'm sorry clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025 d24 and ordinance
of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida to Annex into the city of stcloud approximately 2.5 acres identified as Anem Ralph Miller Road located east of of South nusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road South of diston
drive and west of Hackney Road in accordance with the voluntary annexation provisions of chapter 1 71.0 44 Florida Statutes all right would the applicant like to speak on this John Adams RJ wh Associates a
Broadway KMI Florida 34741 all right um I'm going to make a comment John we spoke about this today I express my concerns about it um in an area that you know of course we've got cental Lake Ranch coming on board this is kind of one of those pockets in there that um is kind of yet
to be determined what the future of that area is going to be and I'm I'm afraid that putting something like that an antenna tower that's going to be um I know you said maximum 100 feet right 150 feet per code oh 150 150 yeah yeah um
yeah that that doesn't help my decision u i mean it does help it but it doesn't um not towards your way unfortunately uh and I think you said it would be shaped like a tree or something one of those environmental blending per your code that's the architectural design that's
uh required yeah and I just don't think that not only is it not compatible with that area but I think it will bring the values down and not allow for um any future U prosperity in that area um so but I'll entertain a motion um from my
council members or any comments motion to approve we have a motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the role council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul I council member
Urban I mayor Robertson no motion carries 41 and clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025 d25 and ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida assigned a future land
use designation of public institutional to approximately 2.5 acres identified as ammet Ral Miller Road located east of South nusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road South of distant drive and west of Hackney Road providing for amending the
official future land use map of the comprehensive plan filing of the Planning Commission recommendation and proof of publication applicability and effect severability copy on file and effective date and can I get a motion on that item to approve motion to approve from Deputy Mayor
Fletcher second second from council member Paul Madame clerk please call the role Deputy Mayor Fletcher I council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I mayor Robertson no motion carries 4 One and clerk please read the next item
first reading and introduction for ordinance number 2025 d26 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida assigning a zoning District of O open space zoning designation compatible with a public institutional future land use designation adopted by ordinance number
2025 d26 for approximately 2.5 acres identified as anthon net Ralph Miller Road located east of South nusi Road north of Ralph Miller Road South of distance drive and west of Hackney Road providing for entering the designation on the official zoning map filing of the
Planning Commission recommendation approv of Publications severability and effective date and can get a motion on that item motion to approve motion to approve from Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Urban and Madam clerk please call
the role council member Paul I council member Urban I council member Gilbert I Deputy Mayor Fletcher mayor Robertson no motion carries for one and clerk please read the next item first reading and introduction for ordinance number
202527 an ordinance of the city council of the city of stcloud Florida amending the city code of ordinance chapter 42 traffic and vehicles article one in general adding section 42-11 motorized Mobility devices prohibited and section 42-12 enforcement providing for conflict
availability administrative correction codification publication and effective date all right and can we get a motion on that item motion approve motion approv Deputy Mayor Fletcher second second from council member Urban Madam clerk please call the
role council member M Urban hi council member Gilbert hi Deputy Mayor Fletcher hi council member Paul hi mayor Robertson hi motion carries 5 Z all right we are down to the end City attorney do you have anything to yeah I have one item that we to discuss with
you so as you know the legislature is in session uh House Bill 991 is one that we have not talked with you about previously but it from my discussions with the city's lobbyists it appears to be getting as they refer to up their legs
uh so uh House Bill 991 is the bill that would eliminate community redevelopment agencies in the State uh it provides that uh a no new community redevelopment agency can be created after July 1st of
2025 Rems that all existing community redevelopment agencies basically cannot be extended beyond their authorized data already uh as you're aware uh the city and the CRA have been discussing have always planned to go back to the county and and seek an extension of the
existing CRA with that has to be approved by the county that the city's CR expir on December 31st of 30 of 2031 so if this bill is approved that would be the the end of the CRA it couldn't be extended whether by agreement with the
county or not it just couldn't be extended so uh we we envision that this is something that the that the city and the CRA would still like to have the option to to do that to benefit the downtown area and the CRA area so uh we'd like you know Authority for us to
go draft a letter for the mayor to sign to object to House Bill 991 yes council member Gilbert oh yeah I I think what the CRA what I read they'll all expire at 2045 is what I think what the end game is well that the the ones
that have a have an end dat Beyond no matter where it is can't be would it would have to expire in 20 in 2045 right so some of them like the city CRA have already have a built-in expiration date of 2031 right
so the code so the so we can't the bill says you can't go beyond 2031 for the city C right so I guess my ask would be would we go to the county prior to this bill being passed ask for extension because once this bill if it is passed then whatever our extension is I don't
know but I'm trying to be preemptive in go asking for an extension Before the bill expires and the 2045 it it sunshines it goes away so uh the CRA has been good Force I I think we might at the council's pleasure think about applying for that extension before this
well so and that's right so we would have until until July 1 of this year to negotiate a deal that would extend the the city Sia and then it would if this bill passes the furthest it could be
extended to would be 2045 right so but if we don't ask for extension we're done for if the bill passes with us legs and tail and nose and feet uh 2031 the C would be over here right so so we have two so appreciate you bringing it up Mr gobert because then I think that from
our perspective we'd like to tell the legislature we don't think this is a good idea the local government should have the option to create these cras decide what's best for their community and Outlet to has he decide that similarly um I think the deputy city manager is taking right now um it
frankly might be something that might be brought up at a meeting that may be coming upcher that was going to be my comment on this is a perfect time to be able to ask that question if we can get the majority of the boorder County Commissioners to agree I would imagine
that they would have no issues um helping us out uh with that that actually may speed some things up real quick so of course we're only gonna have two Commissioners there now right that's what we understand right so all right thank you
I think we got I think we got enough Direction on that I appreciate it that's all I have mayor yes sir thank you and uh Scott I know we've worked well you got the pen in it you had the pen yes uh just a couple of things uh just a reminder uh a lot of our facilities are
going to be busy next week as spring break uh for the kids so a lot of the programs and Facilities will be busy uh the Parks and Recreation department will be hosting an open house at the ranch on Wednesday uh next Wednesday from 5: to 7: um on March 26th at the marina
banquet hall from 5:30 to 7:30 there'll be a Parks and Recreation master plan openhouse um on May 7th uh there will be a special city council meeting uh that's Wednesday the day before the regular
city council meeting specific to annexations and most importantly on this Saturday from 7:30 to 11: PM is Paint The Cloud green so we'll have the parade we'll have food venders whole lot of fun concerts so please for those out there
who are thinking looking for a safe and fun family event uh to celebrate St Patty's Day please come on out uh Saturday night may I ask a question mayor yes sir these are great notes and observations is it possible to give that
to our consistent to put it on our schedule for acceptance or not what happens is the schedule gets so busy we miss a couple those things those kind of fun things that we like to absolutely I always go with well last year I was invited by police chief giry to have a squirt gun fun fight and it was probably
the funnest day of my life I was sore next day because those kids worn me out but without some of this knowledge I I tend to miss it because of our schedules are are busy and we try I I can't speak for the rest of the council but I know if I try and I know a lot of them try to make every event
AB absolutely will thank you all right thank you Deputy city manager is that all yes sir okay all right and now we have council member comments we'll go ahead uh council member Paul um first I want to say happy women's month to all the
phenomenal women here in oila County St Cloud area um for help shaping this community um secondly um I do want to bring up um in regards to the termination letter that was sent to St Cloud Main Street and St Cloud Chamber of Commerce as I do sit on both of those
boards I truly feel um that we should consider safeguarding those two organizations um because when I received the email it was like what happened um getting background information on it um I think both organizations are
beneficial to the community as we you know I do sit on there and help be the middle person between both organizations and the city so I do would I would like to see those two organizations remain the same that's just my take on that
thank you thank you council member Paul um Durk I see you back there can you please come up here and talk to us for a second um I I reached out to Dirk just to get some better understanding on this and and the the agreement and the relationship um can you go ahead and
explain your side to Sure uh so we received a letter A few days ago uh that the um funding or the the partnership agreement I should say is being discontinued the effect of that is uh
that the city of St Cloud would no longer be a member of the Chamber of Commerce and the ALS the other effect of that is that uh those board seats that are allotted to the St the uh city of St Cloud would go away as
well so council member Paul's seat would not be there right or the one that she sits in on your board yes this is council member Gilbert yeah you know
um prior to to uh current Council we had met and we wanted to work with the agreements and one I think the three part parties Main Street City business and uh chamber should form one committee
or something such as that so we could because they do duplicate work and we're you know you're at both of those and there's the downtown business section I would like to see those three businesses downtown kind of have maybe one head of each of them meet occasionally to fill
us in and that would be a board we be on I also know that we wanted to cut down funding but also provide grant writing and of member Urban and and deputy mayor uh Fletcher were part of this and we were to commit uh a grant writing for the
failure of or the lesser of the charge so so is $50,000 is going to go down to 25 and we're going to have $225,000 in grant writing unless I'm wrong that has not happened we have not fulfilled our agreement so along with uh councilwoman
Paul I think we should go back and and and give them what they've asked for and and leave it at that the money they ask now I don't know how we do that as in sponsorship or membership or something like that but not just grant maybe we're diamonded and there's a you know certain
things that we get our logos on there's certain uh uh privileges we have but I don't think unless I'm wrong and if somebody with the CRA was supposed to be a grant writer has even participated and help them recoup that money that we were
taking away um that was my idea and I know I'm going ask uh uh Mr and urban their their quotes but I truly think we failed at our at our side and I think we need to go back and re really look at funding him holy like we have in the past and I yield back to you mayor
that's my opinion yes sir council member Urban yeah mayor I know uh you probably love when I call for ask for more workshops but this is probably something we need to have on a future Workshop discussion because uh of there's two new council members here and we did have a
convers ation a while back about tightening up our um the the way that we spend taxpayer money and and and where we go the chamber and St Cloud Main Street are two incredible organizations that do a lot here in our city business promotion and helping helping our
residents out so I I would I would agree with council member uh Gilbert I don't think we've held up our end of the bargain so we should uh we should um stick to our agreement uh this year and and maybe Workshop it uh for the for the next year and see um kind of look at
what we were trying to do and um just revisit it since we have a new council members here and get everybody's on the you know see see what everybody wants to do that would just be my thoughts thank you sir uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um so I just wanted to to Echo some of the same
comments um so we did have a workshop that was in reference to the Community Support grant program um the city all Lots $150,000 as part of their Community um grant program where where applicants have to submit applications um and then
it came to council and then we would give a so say they requested 500 we could review it individually I could say three he could say two um and then it's average together and then those checks were were were given out to different organizations and they were
scored um the reason for that was is so that we could track the you know what are we getting are they are they hitting these Milestones are they doing this are they doing that um and during that Workshop um we basically decided that we
were going to pull back on the community support grant program we would go from 150,000 and Scott you if you could help me I don't know if you were here actually I don't think here I was not here but it right it went to 100,000 this this year of which 900 and then the
thought was any nonprofit organization that that received money from the city would have to go through this same grant program that the the smaller organizations did so they would go through they would be scored and then they would there would be a set of deliverables on the money that that was given to them um what was
found was is there was line items in the budget that there was organizations receiving money that did not go through a grant program so I went back and I looked for the last three years and it's a million dollars in organizations that were just put into the to the budget so
that's where um it kind of came up so I think there may a little bit of a communication issue where how we can can work this back but I think you know I think staff's done a really good job of taking the direction from the Council of saying listen we need to tighten our budget you know we need we got to be
responsible for taxpayer money and we got to know exactly where it goes and that's that's what happened a million dollars in the last three years is a lot of money so so what is the city the money goes out so what is the city and and the residents receive so I think that's kind of what what we're
dealing with here and I would agree that a workshop in the future would definitely be necessary especially with the two new council members yeah and I'll go ahead and let the City attorney speak on that and then I'll get excuse me just to clarify this item was intended to be on
your agenda for April for formal action to address the agreements with Main Street and agreements with the chamber so no they even though I think there might have been some advanced notice provided out and simply a warning or what's here's what the plan is there has not been any formal action there so if
you'd like to have a workshop I think you obviously Mr David off and I would like to know we'd like to do that because the current plan is to have these on your agenda for your April meeting for final discussion on these two contracts yeah obviously that's um I think we jumped the gun with those
letters I was shocked I saw them and I don't remember us voting on that and I am so sick and tired of hearing last Council I've been here four months I accept accountability and responsibility for this role I don't care about last Council anymore from as of November I'm
the mayor and this council's here it's us so if there's going to be a decision made and it hasn't been made yet then or action such as cutting off ties to our our great Partners here at the chamber Main Street which we do have seats on I think they're important relationships
we've held for how many years Durk quite a few okay that's a good number I think um um I I just think that it we jumped the gun because I was shocked I I had never seen the letters in fact it was explained to me much like how you described it it was going to be a
reduction and a step down over some years and some assistance with grant writing or resources that is how it was explained to me about three and a half months ago nothing's been discussed about it since and then all of a sudden I get the letters and I'm shocked I I'm was just as shocked as everybody else
and that I don't think that's the proper way of doing it if if Council votes on it and it signed by the mayor uh any action on that agreement should be taken by a vote of the council and given the 30-day notice it should be shot you know that we should give the shotgun start on that not staff just throwing it out
there and blindsiding us so I apologize for that that should have never happened it was egg on our face on the city's face um I and maybe it's some miscommunication between city manager and where that went but we don't treat our partners that
way so thank you can I get uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I just wanted to add um that um also I believe during that that conversation was there was there could be task based based items so like say for example Main Street um rather than it just being a blanket you know
say $70,000 which is what Main Street was getting um for like the last I forget how many years we could say hey Main Street could you could you coordinate and do this program for us so it would be outside of the grant program it's like all right you're going to manage say you know this particular program or you're going to manage this
for is for this set amount um so uh council member Gilbert mayor I would like to thank you for saying that you inherit the things that councils in the past I appreciate you standing up to the to the table for that because these are things that we've inherited stuff when we were elected also so I appreciate you
saying that and we'll work through it uh one thing I will say is during the TDC and and Sean I'm sorry you don't mind me calling Sean do you uh there there there's over a million dollars that are totaled here now I I'm also on the TDC board and we give grants in upwards of a
million dollars but they're just basically exactly what sea does they're based on a qualification what does it do for the city what's it for the city and they're they're voted on in pointwise and those points so there's a total of 150 points you can gather say you have 130 you might get the full amount you
ask for 120 might get 90% I truly believe if we have a million dollars that we're putting out plus the other 200,000 let's just say with with with the other places I think we should go to that point system with the whole million dollars and the extra 100,000
and the council we have these these entities send us to us we send them applications and then we give grants that way versus a million dollars that I don't think anybody here knows where that's going I sure don't I'd like to see that list where'
you get the list I requested it okay so if that's that list pleas if that's something the council their pleasure to think of then we can really dive down and see what's if we're spending taxpayer money what are we getting for that and there's a simple formula that
experience cimi does with their grant money and things such as that and we can follow that of course different qualifications and different needs for a City versus a tourism uh Council but that's something I'd like the council to be able to take a hold of and be able to uh distribute those monies that's just
my opinion mayor I yield back to you and thank you very much yes sir thank you and U I spoke with Durk and I spoke with uh state representative I'm sorry Main Street director Paula Stark and um both of them told me essentially they they never really finalized the deal and and all the the conversations um I know with
um Paula star that uh she was providing a list to the city manager about some of the things they were doing with the money and it just and then it just stopped with this letter and that was kind of go ahead city manager um I I can't speak specifically to uh Main Street and and the Chamber but what I
can say in uh deputy mayor uh alluded to it back in August the the council last August this Council passed um a resolution with a new way to do all of those grants so that that $3 million and
I I'll I'll send everybody that that list um that was from previous years and that was something that this Council took a very hard look at for my understanding previous to me being here but going back and reviewing it and seeing everything uh this Council took a very hard look at that and didn't
realize how much of that was going so the this Council then created this new grant program so that is similar to what the TDC does so it is scored uh it's the EDC that actually reviews that all of the applicants have to provide all their
information um it's scored very very similar to that process as what the TDC does they have to provide all their documentation where that information goes and that's something that um was approved back in uh back in August and was included in this year's fcal budget
uh this year's fiscal fiscal Year's budget um in regards to the grant process what that was referring to was that the idea behind all of it was teach these organizations how to fish uh that
was how how do they become more self-sufficient and again this isn't necessarily referring to uh Main Street or the chamber this was all of those other organizations primarily so part of everything that they had to do in order to receive any of these funds is there
are meetings that are held with economic development they walk them through what the process is how do they apply for these other grants and it's an ongoing process for them um but as as Dan had mentioned this is something coming back again and we'll absolutely bring this
back to you and and further on what what the discussion is I I think that the thing that confused me the the most you know these guys aren't just your runof-the-mill nonprofits just they shouldn't have to come back every year asking for Grants we should already know what they do I mean heck they've done our Christmas prey for how many years
come on you got to give me a number UH 60 over 60 60 years yes they're not just they're your run-of-the-mill nonprofit applying for a grant we have a seat on their board we have a say and to me that is the best use of Economic Development
money those are businesses that we have one of our council members sitting there engaging with these businesses and um not hiring a consultant for you know whatever else so yeah I I just I I want to if we can
go ahead and um I'm going to go ahead and make a motion to just put a freeze to those letters if if that's how we can do this and then well again the I don't want to start the 30-day clock that's ridiculous well again the the the letter I haven't seen the letter so I can't
tell what but the formal action by the city council would require I'm sorry action to stop that the funding would require formal action by the city council so there are agreements in place that's what was going to be on the agenda for April so I think what you're saying is you do not want that on the
agenda for April and you'd like to move it at at least have some and and that's the problem we we we tick people off when for no reason yeah but may but I do think to a certain extent and and and it is there is a transition when you've got
when you get new Council this as I recall was discussed and was a plan that was put place in in in August and part of the idea was we want to give these organizations enough notice so that they can prepare appropriately for the fact that some of their funding might go away
yeah but I think Council should give them the notice and not and vote to start the the clock so that we or at least be notified I mean we weren't even notif these guys they got blindsided and so did we at least I know I did I don't know right because this was this was done back in August during the budget
process when all that was done but but Scott that's my point it to me it doesn't matter that's fine if it was done back then but I was told three and a half months ago that it was going to be a step down process and that it was going to be because there's no way I'm making that up because council member
Gilbert saying the same thing yes sir so but again I don't care what happened back then at least notify us and then we vote to take action on that this Council because there wasn't a set date that was voted on I because if we haven't voted on it yet it wasn't voted
on no you you're you're correct what what was voted on was that those funds were removed from the budget and that the chamber and and again we're we're not please understand the direction that Council had given it that time is not that the city cuts ties with the chamber
or Cuts ties with Main Street was that the city was going to a traditional method of it the step down program was for all those other programs the chamber and Main Street were looked at completely separate they're they're not as as you said they're they're not some organization and no offense to any of
these organizations that are out there doing 5K pays to raise money but that that's not the same type of level that the city's relationship is with the Chamber of Main Street but at that time uh during the budget process which was approved back in October um all of those
or excuse me in September the funding for the chamber and Main Street was removed from the budget at the direction of the council so that that wasn't in there and and the the council and the city manager at the time and and staff had had those conversations with those
organizations I believe that the reason that those letters went out now was just because that time W was coming up again so these were things that they've been having those conversations from back back before but the reason that it for example yourself and and
council member Paul here would not have had that is because those were decisions that were made as part of the budget this year's current budget but I believe as council member G Gilbert States it was meant for more a step down not a total un those were specifically for those other organizations not for the
chamber and for Main Street but we can absolutely bring that back to you council member Paul yeah um I think the thing is is that when the letter was received by email it definitely was a moment of what happened because I'm like it totally blindsided me and then when I
seen um president Webb at the economic thing I wanted to say something but it wasn't appropriate to say anything but I sit on these boards Faithfully attend their events that they have and stuff like that so it definitely was a moment of not um being in a comfortable space
especially receiving a letter like that because the first thing I did was what happened how you know so and you're the face for us on that board and it didn't make us look good and I'm sure it didn't make you feel good because we are we are
the the relationships for the city out there to the community and we're out there obviously with the businesses and the citizens we're out there trying to to do the best and and um let them know that we're we're working for them and that doesn't seem like we're working for them um because if we didn't give you
funding there may be a time where you say we can't afford to do the Christmas parade and I think that would be detrimental to this city because I can tell you I walked in that Christmas parade since I was five years old so um that's not going to happen you're not going to walk there anymore I I now i r
no may I make one comment just to remind you that we are the St Cloud Chamber of Commerce and that our footprint though is Beyond St Cloud we have members throughout Central Florida we Advocate
at state level as well very uh involved with h the south Florida Water Management District uh I work with the Florida Association of Chamber professionals to help bring those people I brought them
to St Cloud for a meeting here uh so I'm representing St Cloud out Beyond here so so when you look at this please remind yourselves that it's not just St Cloud but we're also pushing St Cloud out into
the area and into the region so but I appreciate you taking the time to think this through and I thank you for your consideration yes sir thank you thank you okay so I believe that was council member Paul's comments do you have any other no
comment good thank you council member Urban yes uh uh great conversation I would I would still love to have a workshop and involve St Cloud Main Street and the St Cloud chamber to find out how we can uh partner together I I
would agree that that the way um the notices were sent out uh weren't ideal and uh I I but also uh as council members we have to be responsible with the taxpayer money and I think that's how the whole conversation begun in the
first place so would love to continue that conversation at a future Workshop um also council member Paul brought up a good point about these boards and committees and I don't know if anybody's even listening this late but when you um when you apply for the committee that
doesn't just guarantee you a spot on the board uh you got to reach out to us and and and not after the fact after the meeting uh and emails um you got to reach out to us to let us know your interest because a lot of people will apply for boards and then that they decide they're not interested and when
we appoint them and they they don't show up so uh please reach out to us individually especially the the at large appointments because U it's very important to to let us know and keep us informed on that and last thing too uh attended the economic forecast um with
Council Paul and and mayor Robertson and it was very informative very exciting time to be in the city of St Cloud all the forecast are just pointing to um our city and all the opportunities that we have so I understand our ducks aren't in a row yet as far as economic development
goes but I I want to get those ducks in a row as soon as possible and get that funding put in so that we can really start putting that Economic Development into overdrive because I think that is uh very important for for the growth of our city and the future of our City so that's all I have to say and everybody
have a good night yeah and I'd like to point out that the St Cloud greater oal Chamber of Commerce was also a partner in that as well um I know that because I read it from my my opening speech um council member Gilbert I sorry
it's late but I do have a plethora of of uh information I'd like to share with the council uh we had a meeting uh uh 10 days ago with Kosar and I wanted to know if anybody from the city followed up with the economical Department I think we look at this as a uh an opportunity
to get jobs and incentives uh to these folks I think we need to follow up I wrote them a letter to to all the folks thanking them and wanted to take the next step I want to ask councel what their thoughts were I think this would be a great thing for the city of St Cloud but I don't know if anybody inside
the city has followed up with it I have not had any questions asked for me uh the the they traveled from Belgium and uh and other locations but what I'd like to do is get somebody from the city and somebody from the council here to travel to one of those locations and show our
interest and they're looking at five acre plots we need to look at tax incentives we need to look at Mobility fees that we can work on to get this this this is why we're here to create jobs and my simple math added up to 120 jobs just on site itself not saying any of the vendors or any of the
subcontractors and i' just like to ask if the city has followed up with with that showing our interest and if they have not when we're going to because they've been courted by other cities uh here in the State of Florida and this is going to happen with or without us and I don't want to sit on our on our hands in
this this is an economic development U area and I think we need to take action for that I would ask the pleasure of the council to put forward to ask the city to follow up with this strongly and start communicating with them of our interest in this recycling um can I have the pleasure of the council to ask the
city to do that uh first deputy mayor uh city manager has a comment for you yep oh no I oh sorry I apologize didn't know the button was still on okay uh Deputy Mayor Fletcher um I'm okay um with following up on it um I'm still doing um
my due diligence and research on the the history and the how do I say this the organization of the company and learning more about their background and what they have going on overseas um and I would encourage everybody in the council to do the same yeah and I I thank you uh
Deputy Mayor I am I I I just want to take action I don't want to sit three months from now and say hey what we do oh they're moving here or there's something there's economical we've been talking about jobs I'm not saying this is it but I'm saying we need to go in we need to put ourselves in and fi find out what's going on and I truly have not
heard any feedback from from City if we are followed up even with the thank you letter for them for them being here I know I sent out thank you letters to all all the members I ask for the business card and sent them and I just wanted to take it further if I may that's number one can I add on that yes um no I think
that that's a good idea that at least we follow up on it whether it hits a dead end road somewhere we at least need to start that habit when we because we're gonna have a lot of people coming we're bring we're bringing a lot of jobs these next four years at least we're going to attempt to and because you know we want
we want businesses to know that s Cloud's open for business and not not just say it we want them to know it um but yeah at least throw all the mud out there and try and see what sticks and and and just bring these guys in do the research like Deputy Mayor said you know
research it as well and we can the city we we but we need we can't sit back and wait on this and it it was a positive meeting I believe I think uh it was very informative um that was actually put together from about six different individual meetings I know this the deputy city manager was in one of them
with me and um one of the initial ones right Scott you were in with and we had even had um the county Christina Morris over and then we had antonet in there so it kind of rolled into that presentation and I think we can move forward and and get more I think it I
mean I think they knocked the spe the the presentation out of the ballpark so let's keep looking into it right I'd love to create more jobs here secondly sorry council member you good yes sir G Thumbs Up Normally consent would be thumbs up and
city manager would take got Direction yes consent right second thing I'd like to ask Council if we can get the support of hiring an assistant for our five Council people at the presid time we have one assistant that we share with the city manager and and we are all very busy and and it's not fair for the assistant to not only have one but to
have six people that she's an assistant to I I like our present assistant I would like to have her come to assist just the council but that's going to go through the application process but I seriously think we're at the at the turning point now we need an assistant for the five council members to look
forward in our scheduling and all that she does a wonderful job but answering to six people one being the city manager five being the city council I don't think it's viable to ask for one employee to be able to be the assistant so I'm asking Council if they would uh
have their pleasure in back me to get an assistant through the hiring process to have an assistant just for a city council member so I don't know if I can get thumbs up and they can present that and also if we do we need to FastTrack this I don't want it to be a two-year down the line when we give
assistant council member well which one counc member Paul I see some nod oh yes okay yes you are in supportive of that yes because I mean we attend people reach out we attend a lot of events I mean when I'm going out to different places I hand them Kelly's card reach
out to her to set up get it on our calendar but we do attend a lot of events that's just me for myself times four more others so I can't imagine plus the daily duties of a city manager which is the top manager of a city to assist
that one individual that has over 600 employes it just makes sense for us to be more efficient to have our own assistant again I think uh Kelly does a wonderful job it's not against her I just there's so much on your plate once it's overflowed we need to get another plate so if I could have the pledge of the council give thumbs up to the
director of the assistant city manager to start putting that in process yeah council member Urban I would agree it's a you know Kelly does a fantastic job but it's I would hate to have her job it's to manage six people like this and uh um and and I would just say if if
it's something we need to get put put in the budget as we work on the budget process for this next year I would be all for that okay so looks like we got Direction on that Deputy Mayor Fletcher do you have any comments on that I'm G have any comments on that okay um I will agree Kelly does an amazing job but good
gosh how how does she do it I mean and you know she handles all the traffic the complaints and and I know that whenever police chief giry gets them he just shifts them right over to Kelly so when he says shoot him with a water gun um no I I do agree I I think it's
important that that that that I've always said Council we need to be properly funded um and I believe that is one of the steps we need to take um I will say I believe that that whoever it is need to work directly for Council um they don't need to go through because then we can't give direction so we need
to ensure that that that's a thing so um Scott where can we go with this right the HR and right we'd have to to to go through the process I I just want to make sure um because I did hear from council member Urban this is something through the budget process so is this
something you're talking about doing as Gilbert said right away we have a half a million dollar Council contingency fund I believe we can take it out of that you were looking to do it right away as opposed to okay that's you know Kelly does an amazing
job but I I feel um I kind of feel bad when I ask her to to do things because I know there's so many people asking her to do things and she's amazing um but no I I'm yeah I think there's a need for I'm seeing the nods I I think we all feel bad when we ask her to do things
because I see her bored of all the complaints and that she's knocking them out one by one and then you got the new one and you she is very very busy you absolutely right about that we will get right on that and and we go to a lot of events and it's it's hard to keep track
of a lot of this stuff I mean it's every day for me I I know I see these folks there all the time so I think it's still council member Gilbert so we I'm going through them as quick as I can but all right that we talked about the $500,000 in discretionary spending and
that's something I think we should do as a council I don't think it should be presented from the city like the $160,000 was coming out of council contingency well that was news to me maybe I I didn't know we had money well I didn't either till you ask uh but also we have five council members up there
and we have different people asking us for monetary grants and things such as that I like the pleasure of the council to take $20,000 of each one of those of our $500,000 that each Council can represent and ask for a certain amount of funds for a certain party that's
asked them still being voted on by the council if we approve it but if it has a special interest or a special group like the Army vets or something like that that comes in and says I need this because there's different groups that talk to Mr Urban and and Miss Paul then they talk to me for these funding so I think we may look at that a certain
sipon that each council person has with the approval of council to be able to give them Grant those $500,000 discretionary funds minus our new assistant that's coming up and that's only one fifth of the contingency but it still have to be voted on by the council
these would obviously be um organizations or it within the community something that benefits the city of St Cloud and the citizens of St Cloud it still to have those parameters but I know Sean has people ask I have people ask I know you do in different indes I'm
asked all the time I just found out I was chairman of a nonprofit right right the other day and that there's money there but um yeah but but I was only notified that when it was directed to that nonprofit and then somebody said oh yeah by the way you're the chairman of a
nonprofit with 30 something thousand in it three years dant yeah but that's the thing I I I just feel like we're on a need to know basis here and we should not be that's not you know if the hours are bestest in the city council that is not how it's supposed to operate so so
coun to think about that if there's a thumbs up we might it has to be a process still it still have to be voted on by the council but we can present it to the council this group has done this this this the economical value of this would work for us not saying that we flat out can write a check to anybody we
want so I don't know your thoughts on that uh but it it would be something that would help us disperse the money the the right way with Council approval sounds like a workshop item because you have youth football along with the gr I mean the fact that we're going to talk about that as well I believe you have
children that are in youth programs like football and they sometimes go to State national I had someone tag me on Facebook to how to help and I'm like just getting in the door so but you do have those opportunity where you can help the you football program or
whatever Sports to go where they need to go and again it's responsible thing that we have to do responsibility wise but it's a portion one of the contingency that the council has divided by one of the council so it'd be $20,000 per council member to equal one $100,000 of
the $500,000 contingency just a thought it's Works something I just like you said we we get ass all the time uh the baton twirlers going to Nationals from St Cloud you know things such as that not me are you for of the lady twirlers yeah
sorry fles on that um so I believe the way that the county does it which it may be worth looking over there and seeing how they they do theirs I know that they have a they have districts um possibly streamlining that process so say $220,000 each council member rather than
bringing it those items back to the council for approval which can say for example you know I know like like when uh was it the soccer team that you know like they they need to go like in two weeks like they need the money in two weeks well each individual council member can say all right I'm going to
take you know two grand and do that however the caveat is is when they use the city logo the county doesn't use the county logo as a it it has the county logo and then it has the commissioner on it um because you know say for example
you did something and it didn't come for a vote or or whatnot just something to look at if you understand what I'm trying to say yeah and I don't think we need I don't think we need to take it that far as use the council member's name to the process of bringing it all the way back to council for each
individual approval however we need to do that I don't know how so in regards to um Deputy Mayor Fletcher um for District 5 commissioner booth has supported some events out there in the wited historic community so it was going basically that reaching out to him
getting working with his assistant filling out a paper and then you did have to complete a form after the event was over with indicating how those funds were use and that would be the way that I would recommend okay so you recommend Workshop
I I think that's great to add to the workshop where we talk about funding our these great organizations in the community and as Deputy Mayor Fletcher pointed out and I believe I spoke with council member Urban about a year and a half ago about there was a soccer team that made it to State I think they were going to Texas or something I don't
remember what it was the girls soccer team yeah remember um I think I called you too um and unfortunately all you know the budget the funds were depleted so there wasn't enough to give them 500 bucks I mean there was nothing I think they were looking for 3,000 but I said is there anything and there was nothing
so that's that was kind of my idea of this idea Mr Mayor so we'll Workshop it lastly uh no not lastly but can we get uh with the OU and get a schedule of electric plant I get questions all the time when that's going to be started and all I get pushed back it's been seven
years and the last time I asked we're working on it we're working and they go wow it's so expensive well duh seven years how much should prices increase so I would like to get a schedule it's in their commitment when we gave them the the electric here that they were to do
this well it reminds me of the hotel I mean how long do you have to wait till it gets done Dan where we at on OU and the power plant you should you may know I shouldn't say you should know well I I am aware that the OU was working to get
the contract L and that there was a protest with regard to the bidd process related to the contractor which As I understood slowed slowed up uh the award of the contractor I don't know where they are with the award of the contract maybe I should ask yeah
actually I I do have an update for you on that uh I didn't know if it was if it was in a contract that there was a date but if you could but Mr Gil just to make sure so the closing of the power plant and the remediation of the problems and environmental issues with that was not
part of the original management agreement with o that was that was a uh subsequent agreement that was entered into so uh staff actually has been been meeting with uh OU they they had a meeting I just got this update late this
afternoon so um so what they uh it was OU OU's constru construction Team Action environmental which is their contractor Uh Kevin feler our Public Works director and Mary Emma uh our communications director um the
contractor is still in the process of obtaining the permits and finalizing the conru construction schedule the project is tentatively scheduled to begin in may this may of 25 it's gonna be may he knows what that
is uh and they're expecting the duration of the project uh to be 9 to 12 months so staff has been meeting with them throughout this process so that we can be informed when we have some concrete dates some just want to put on record I just we need some no pun intended I'm
glad you brought that up because the longer it drags out the more people come to us and say hey we want to buy that we want to do something you see the activity on fa on social media I mean even our own cities one of our cities real estate brokers actually says well I have a buyer for that you know somebody
that wants to to salvage it and but I don't know I don't think that's possible I think at this point it needs to you got to get cleaned up first in brown areas next but the longer it sits the more they say well why isn't it going down then just an update on on the metop plan board that sit on Simpson Road and Parton settlement there both of those
roads are getting four lanes and there's bridges over both of them and so miss Jer uh addressed the metro plan board and fdot because that's a Turnpike U issue and they're doing a PD study I will update you when those bridges will get expanded because it makes no sense
to expand those roads to four lanes and bottleneck them over the turnpike and get them back but I am working on it I promise you um my council members that I will stay on top of that to get that done um also I attended the uh Northeast connector express pass it's 5:15 it's
going to go from Point Sienna it's going to go up to Harmony maybe through old Melbourne road is through the PD study but this is something that they're working on now that will be connected through that to 417 off of Old Melbourne Highwood through sunbridge just an update and I just want to tell you
because I go there I don't know I maybe I don't communicate and I don't get a chance to talk to you guys very often electric bikes and electric scooters are being banned on sidewalks in many different pedestrian areas I know in Europe and other areas they they are banned these bikes and scooters can go up to 25 miles an hour and there's
people in Lakeshore walking uh and there's people just zooming by them so I'd like the council to have a workshop to make an ordinance so we keep well that was we proved that at first reading that was first reading this evening these things are already anticipated so already happen okay good
um another study I've been working on is chlorine and our water there's studies at different counties and municipalities are taking the chlorine out of the water floride fluoride yeah because of because of the detriment to to the to the citizens they thought it was a good thing but it's not so I want to look at
that meet with u and see what we can do to be on the top of that well you be meaning with too and maybe Mr Urban can council member go I could speak to that too is actually U at our last uh board meeting we began an initiative that um they are
creating several Community meetings they're going to be some in St Cloud there'll be some in CMI all over the too service area um to basically have town halls with the public and to meet with experts on both sides of the issue because as you could imagine there are
um very strong opinions on both sides so they're bringing in experts from both sides bringing in facts it's going to be um a several month Stu they expect by sometime this summer to to have the study done with all the public input and then it will go to the
the too board to to vote on and they also do expect to bring it to each um municipality city CMI oila County and the City of St Cloud um when they have their findings on the study as well so um if you want more information on that
I could have um too's um staff reach out to you and give you some some information I appreciate that and I Sor saying CH for that know you see talk over you guys got my gist uh trying to speed up because I know that somebody's got to get tucked in the bed Prett soon and that' be me it's my understanding
that iHeart Radio wants to come along and title sponsor the Fourth of July fireworks with that they would have two radio sponsorships they would sponsorship and and and talk about the city of St Cloud um there's a good and bad I talked to police chief gerky there
is a safety issue because I think that those venues the radio stations would bring more people here so we have to look at safety issues and issues like that but we're not only bringing citizens here we're bringing corporations here that might want to do business here so it is like a familiarization to her to bring people here to the lakefront in St Cloud so I
don't know what your thoughts are about iHeart radio and about them being a sponsor but they will bring bands in they will bring it and it will be on the radio announcing uh uh uh City St Cloud there are Logistics there our Logistics and I've talked to our police chief
safety coordinator so but this is July so for going to do this we have to start reacting now and get a plan of action for safety uh I know we'll have to bring additional uh safety uh people in we'll have to have parking lots like Chism Park and across from the the uh uh
churches we'd also like to get a sponsorship for for a bus or something to take people from Lakefront to our vendors here in the downtown area and Supply that and make it a good event not saying it's going to work it's not but they've approached us to do that so I'd like the city council to really look at
that as here we're here we're no secret anymore are we doing a familiarization tour with City and bringing in additional folks which maybe not but are we bringing in corporations that want to do business here if they see our area they might open shop I I don't know but it is an opportunity there yes sir um I
just as a point of clarification um because it's a it's it it's a wonderful thing that staff is working on with that um not necessarily A sponsorship just so everybody understands and the tradition terminology of sponsorship where you
think that they're providing um something this is something that the city would actually be paying them to do uh more of that we would be paying them to market the program so it's not a sponsorship in the traditional sense of their providing dollars or or something of
that nature we're still in the process of working out that agreement with them but it's not a sponsorship in the traditional sense of the the terminology it's it's more we would actually be paying them uh to to do the service in kind Services something like that if I there's not in kind
Services right if we could get a copy of what they're providing that would be good so the council can look at it may be something we we do not want to do but maybe something that would help us in economic development in a familiarization and you may not be able to comment on this but I can um iHeart radio so they're talking about doing
radio ads right I mean that's something the the uh TDC the tourism enhancement grants coming up that is perfect for that you can't say Y and that's come I believe two months April the applications open up
for that for the tourism enhancement grants through experience CMI I cannot right uh I attended the AA convention the electric convention is very productive I also met with Darren SoDo in a very positive meeting with st clar
in a relationship with the metro plan so I'll be working with him on on ideas for for the metro plan and I did meet uh uh the other uh Senator was not available but I did meet with his assistant uh Mr Scott uh we have a joint meeting with us
members uh in a while I'd like to get a written uh document of all our questions and things done in advance not the day before so we know what we're going to be asking we only have two and a half or two hours with them so I'd like to have a a a bullet point of our our our presentation done not the day before but
sometime so we can review a rough draft and get that to him if I could ask the pleasure of the councel to make sure we get something in our hands it's already in progress all right thank you just want to put it on record because sometimes we get things a day before and it's just I want it to be I want to be super super prepared we've been asking
for this meeting for over two years uh I told you Brian has committed and uh and we talked about the videos downstairs for the Overflow of the council I yield back to you mayor and I apologize for my l this but I gotta tell you I'm impressed you recharged from a few days ago I was sick as a dog
I oh well all right I think everybody kind of said what was on my mind um we have March for I'm sorry you got your light on dead no I don't have anything okay uh again I'll I'll repeat what we
said earlier today we had the the March for meals is coming up on uh Saturday morning and uh a great organization you know I actually sat on their housing board for for four or five years and I'm actually the the council's person on there so uh I'm going to try and make it
out there at 7 AM that's a way before my bed wake up time but um uh which Lakefront is that one at usually it's at the lakefront okay it's CMI this year isn't it c yeah they used to do it here at St Cloud but
yeah and if nobody else has oh let me go ahead and get to the information section here I did have one thing there all right de May Fletcher um so tomorrow the city of St Cloud um I sit on Hopkins Heroes and we work with clarita's house um in Second Harvest Food Bank we are
doing a food drop um in the Stevens Plantation it's an entire tractor trailer load of food um tomorrow um I wanted to thank staff um for all of their their hard work and securing a location working on traffic and and things of that nature so that's tomorrow
all right well they must have taken a queue from Ivy because they call me Christopher Robertson on their advertisement okay no other council member any other comments uh this brings us to our information report section we have Thursday March 20th 2025
intergovernmental meeting at 10: a. at Ula Heritage Park Thursday March 27th 2025 city council Workshop 3M here at City Hall and Thursday April 10 2025 city council meeting at 6:30 p.m. right here in the council chambers at City
Hall and for your review warrant list number five is available and with that we are adjourned e for