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All right. Go ahead and call this meeting to order. This is the city council meeting for Thursday, July 16th, 2026. And can we all please stand for the invocation brought by Father Derek Sa from the St. Thomas Aquinus Catholic

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Church and the Pledge of Allegiance. >> Let us pray. Good and gracious God, we come here today with grateful hearts for a beautiful city we get to call home. We ask today for your wisdom, guidance, and

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discernment upon our mayor, the city council, and all city officials and staff. Grant them the insight to make decisions that promote justice, prosperity, and the well-being of every citizen. We pray that they will work

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together in harmony and lead with integrity, compassion, and a spirit of collaboration. We ask your special blessings upon our first responders, essential workers, and all those who work tirelessly to keep

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our city safe, strong, and prosperous. We ask all this in your most precious name. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Please be seated. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Mayor Robertson >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert >> here. >> Council member Paul >> here. >> Council member Urban >> here. >> Council member Fletcher >> here.

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>> All right. Thank you. And first up, agenda update. City Manager, do you have any updates? >> Yes. Um, thank you, Mayor. I'd like to ask that we move council action number three, resolution 202696R, the Boys and Girls Club Agreement,

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directly after the proclamation section and before the consent agenda. Additionally, I'd like to move consent item number 12, resolution number 2026-101R, uh, to be the final item under council action

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and public hearing number 12, ordinance 2026-32 needs to be before public hearing number seven. So, we will read it with public hearing number seven. and we'll read them together, but we will need

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ordinance 2026-32 um action taken on that first. And that's all. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much. And first up, we have a presentation. We have a proclamation in recognition of Parks and Recreation Month presented by

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Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Well, thank you, mayor and council. Um, this proclamation is for parks and wrecks. Little background, there's 23,000 people at Fourth of July this year. Now, if you talk about community engagement, that was community

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engagement. You talk about the city, that's the city. If you talk about small town city, I know we're getting bigger, but there's a lot of love going on this week. Um, the Fourth of July was great, great event. If you were not there, come next year. Uh, I I'd be remiss if I didn't say that my my daughter works for

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Parks and Recck. She worked there well before I got elected. And so, don't there's no conspiracy theory here, but but but we love Parks and Wreck. I was a camp counselor in the 80s when I played football in college. I'd come home in the summer and counsel

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kids, and I became a social worker by degree. But that's where it starts. Parks and Wrecks. That's where [clears throat] it all belongs. So, we'll be talking a lot about that today. But, I'd really like to recognize the proclamation of parks and recck and park parks and rec proclamation month. So,

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this is in King James and I know a little bit about King James. So, if I mess it up, please bear with me. I don't know if I could that distance thing. Do I need my glasses? Do I 63 is getting tough?

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Here we go. We'll do it this way. Whereas parks and reccks programs are integral part of the communities throughout this country including St. Cloud and where parks and recrecks promotes health wellness improving the physical and mental health of people who live nearby parks and participate in

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parks. Whereas parks and recreation encourage physical activity for providing space for popular sports, hiking trails, swimming and many other activities designated to pro promote activity lifestyles and whereas parks and recreation programs and education

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activities such as out of school programs, youth sports, environmental education and critical to child development. And whereas parks and wreck increased communities economic prosperity through increased property values, expansion of local tax base,

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increased tourism in the attraction and retention of business, and it also has crime reduction. Whereas the United States House of Representative has designated July as parks and recreation month and the city of St. Cloud recognizes the benefits and

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derives from the parks and recreation resources. And I, Ken Gilbert, deputy mayor, along with the city council, all my friends out here, [snorts] recognize the benefits derived from parks and recreation.

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I, Ken Gilbert, proclamise July 2026 as park parks and recreation month in our in our city. I urge all citizens to enjoy the future time in leisure with friends and families and communities in our parks and recreation

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facilities. Thank you very much parks and recreation. You're an integral part of our city and thank you very much. [applause] [applause] >> Do I need to turn >> parks and recck? Y'all want to come up and take a picture with deputy mayor? See that Jay? I got you covered.

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[laughter] >> Go ahead. Get a picture of the parking rack. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you very much, Parks and Wreck. If y'all uh didn't join us out there at the 4th of July, they did an amazing job out there. Everybody was

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happy. Fireworks were amazing. So, uh, even though we had a little bit of rain, I think it cleared up just in time for everybody to have a great time out there. So, thank you for everything y'all did out there. Take your time. We're here all night. All right. First up, we have uh would

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clerk please read resolution number 2026-087R. >> Is that correct? Is that the one we're doing first? >> The Boys and Girls Club. [clears throat] >> City manager. Is that the correct one? Item number three. looking quickly

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>> or no, we're doing council action number >> 2026-096R. >> Give me one second. Sorry, I was on consent. Both of them are >> the one from council action. >> Let me get my page on right.

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All right. Uh, yes. Item number three, 2026-096R. >> Resolution number 2026-096R. A resol resolution of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, approving a facility use and license agreement between the city of St. Cloud and Boys and Girls Club of Central Florida,

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providing for conflicts, providing for servability, providing for an effective date. >> Good evening, mayor and city council. Scott David off, deputy city manager. Uh this evening uh you have before you here the facility use and license agreement with the Boys and Girls Club of Central

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Florida. Uh just a little bit of background. Uh the city council has approved a major expansion and renovation of Hopkins Park that includes a community center. City staff and the Boys and Girls Club staff have developed a proposed agreement that will provide enhanced services for participants. And

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this agreement will reduce the city's annual general fund operating costs by approximately $300,000 per year. Just to remind everybody on the upcoming expansion and renovation that the city council has approved uh for Hopkins Park

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that includes a 17,000 square foot community center, basketball court, baseball field, multi-purpose field, community garden, playground, and parking lot. Uh, additionally, the city has partnered with Tohjo Water Authority to build a new lift station and that

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will be able to connect residents to sanitary sewer that are in that general area. Uh, that portion of the project was funded through a grant. When we talk about the project, uh, and the cost of the project, so city council has budgeted approximately $13 million

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for the total cost of the project. All the funds from the project come from debt that the city has secured. Uh the only grant that the city received is for the sanitary sewer portion of the project. That's separate from the uh park itself. That's the program that

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we're partnering with Toho Water Authority on. So this is solely funded uh through city dollars without grants. Uh and the city has additional funding. We have, excuse me, the city has had additional funding for the project that we had applied for and our legislators

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had been working towards. Uh but unfortunately that's been vetoed by the Florida State Legislature. When we talk about the community center and again we're focusing solely on the community center here. The estimated annual operating cost of that new

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community center, again the new building that part of this project is approximately $300,000 per year. That includes all the utilities, staffing, program expenses, and the general operating expenses for that new facility. and the estimated operating

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cost for the remainder of the park. So everything on the exterior of the building, all the grounds, the playgrounds, the uh everything else that's out there is approximately $100,000 per year. Uh and forgive me for reading some of

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this. This was uh thank you to the Boys and Girls Club who provided some excellent points uh on what they do. Uh the Boys and Girls Club of Central Florida serves more than 15,500 youth and teens ages 6 through 18 across 39

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clubs in Orange, Semino, Oyola, Lake, and Bvard counties. Uh they focus on six key areas that are proven to help young people succeed and those are education and career development, character and leadership development, sports, fitness and recreation, health and life skills,

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the arts and mental health. Uh you can see here, certainly not going to read this, all the academic successes and the health and wellness successes they've had here. Uh these numbers are are from the local uh Boys and Girls Clubs of Central Florida. You can see

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everything with 100% of their high school seniors graduated with plans for the future. Uh 80% are earning A's and B's. 95 of the youth surveyed are certain they will attend college. Uh you can see the health and wellness numbers

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there as well. And then the Boys and Girls Club of Central Florida is already serving a thousand children and teens across Oyola County and has served the St. Cloud community for years through its existing club that's been here in the city. Uh

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sports and recreation are among the most popular offerings at the existing club. uh and there are other programs that they focus on to help them develop uh positive skills. When we talk about the agreement, uh

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some of the proposed agreement highlights that we talk about is that the Boys and Girls Club shall be responsible for the day-to-day operation of the community center and the programs conducted within. City shall maintain all the operations of the outdoor facilities and amenities of Hopkins

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Park. Want to make sure that everybody understands that there have been some questions on that. Um, this agreement is only for the building itself. Nothing on the exterior. All staff, just like all of our programs and all of our contractors, we're

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required to undergo background screenings. Uh, Boys and Girls Club will be responsible for all the utilities and maintenance of the community center. The city retains the right to utilize the building subject to availability at no charge. Uh, one of the things that was

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very important to the city was to honor uh, Hopkins Park and the Hopkins Park community. So, the city will be installing and maintaining a historic display honoring Hopkins Park and any naming of the building must include

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Hopkins Park to recognize the city's historic and cultural significance. Uh, one of the things that this council and the community had wanted with the new facility, uh, was for there to be outdoor restrooms. The the current park has not had that. So, there are

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restrooms that are accessible from the exterior of the building, and those will remain open and available to the public during park operating hours. You don't have to go inside the building to access those. Those are solely from the exterior. the city shall be able to utilize the

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facility outside of the Boys and Girls Club operational hours for public rentals and programs. So, what that means is that uh if the Boys and Girls Club closes at a specific time and someone wishes to have a rental in there or there's some additional programs that

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the city may be interested in, the city will be able to provide those programs again assuming that there's availability and that would be done by the city. and then uh it's a 50-year lease with a 180day termination clause for any reason.

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Some additional information uh is that the Boys and Girls Club has met with Hopkins Heroes and has offered to meet with any other community groups that are out there. They continue to reiterate their commitment to working with a variety of community groups. Every conversation we have had with the Boys

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and Girls Club, they have been very, very adamant that this is a community program. This is a community resource and that's what they specialize in and they want to continue working with community groups within Hopkins Park and within the city.

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Some questions have been raised about any city staff who would be impacted by this. Um those individuals have been notified that if this were to happen, we do have maintained them as parks and recreation staff just in other areas of

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the city. So, no one will be losing their jobs uh as part of this agreement. Um however, the Boys and Girls Club has indicated that they would guarantee any member of the staff an interview uh if they would like to consider employment with the Boys and Girls Club. They certainly recognize that if there is

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anyone who is interested in moving over to the Boys and Girls Club uh that they would love to have them in there. And with that, I will turn it over to the Boys and Girls Club. They're here. I did want to mention one other thing. Please forgive me. Um to make sure that

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we get it on the record is that last night during the recreation advisory committee uh they did uh pass a unanimous motion requesting that there be additional time uh prior to the city council making any decisions. So I just wanted to make sure that we did get that

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on the record. And with that, I will turn it over to the Boys and Girls Club. >> Um additionally, there were some changes made to the proposed agreement um that have been distributed to the city council so that you have that here. Thank you, city manager. [clears throat] >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council and

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our wonderful community members. My name is Jamie Merrill, and I have the pleasure of serving as the president and CEO for this wonderful organization at Boys and Girls Clubs of Central Florida. And I'm going to introduce my um trusted colleague here in just a moment. You heard a lot of stats earlier. You

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heard a lot of information about our great organization and how many youth we serve across Central Florida and even here in Oyola. But I think what's important to know is that our incredible club directors and staff, even though we

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have that big of a reach, they know every single child's name, family's name, and their story. It's actually how we get the results that we get to get a 100% of our high school seniors graduating and 99% of our kids across

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all of our organization. Having a trusted relationship with an adult that matters incredibly. We've got our club director here in the audience with us, Mr. Derell. and I spent the afternoon at our Saint Club uh club just a couple blocks down the road earlier today with

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the kids busting at the seams because we need opportunities to be able to expand. What's beautiful about the Boys and Girls Club is that we lead with legacy in every single community. It's one of the things that we're known for. We know this great legacy of Hopkins Park and

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Reverend Hopkins and all the great faith-based and community leaders that helped to fight for the youth to have a place to go. And we're honored to be considered as an opportunity to really consider all of the generations to come and develop them in all the ways that

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they need to. We are going to work with all of our community groups. And there's really great statistics that show in every single neighborhood that we place a Boys and Girls Club, crime reduces by 13 to 16%. Because our community protects us and we protect the youth.

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And we'd love that opportunity to continue leading this legacy as a partner in this great St. Cloud area. But I'd like for you to not take it from me. I'd like to introduce to you Adaliss who's currently a staff member but grew

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up in our St. Cloud Club just a couple blocks down the road and was our youth of the year. In fact, our chief here was actually one of the judges when she served as youth of the year in that contest. Adalise.

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>> Hi everybody. Hope you're doing well. My name is Adalise Marano or Miss Adelise as they like the kids like to call me. If you just give me a moment. So my journey uniquely starts with my father and my brother. my older brother

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um they attended the Boys and Girls Club in New York back when it was called Boys Club. And when my family moved here to Florida, my mom knew that she wanted to put my younger brother and I into the Boys and Girls Club. So

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that so when we moved here, my when we moved here, my mom looked into the Boys and Girls Club and unfortunately there wasn't a location around. But I don't know what came over my mom. One day she just decided to see if there was one in St. Cloud and luckily there was. And at the time,

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Mr. Lindsay was the former service director. Um, we met up with him that day and we toured the Boys and Girls Club and we absolutely fell in love with it. And my mom [clears throat] asked Mr. Lindsay if there was any youth if there was any career if there was any

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I apologize. >> So, you're fine. You're doing great. if there was any opportunity for teens because she wanted me to be a part of the community and Mr. Lindsay said that he would love to on board me as an LIT which is a leader in training. So at the time I was homeschooled and I was

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working at McDonald's. So I when I wasn't working or when I was done with my school work I would dedicate my time at the Boys and Girls Club religiously. That was my second home. And um and so when I was there I loved it to be honest with you. I was either helping Mr.

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Lindsay with administrative work or I was helping um the staff with the kids and I grew a really strong bond with a lot of them and that's what made me want to become on board at the Boys and Girls Club. And so [clears throat] the two requirements that Mr. Lindsay personally

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made with me to be hired as a staff was to become 18 and to start college. And at the time I did not want [laughter] to start college. I did not want to go to college. But um I did and I'm currently studying well I'm currently studying my

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bachelor's and I want to get it in business administration. So so as you know I'm a staff now. So I'm in school and um I on boarded as a youth development specialist and I work with the youth and I really loved it and I

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recently got a promotion to be a social emotional specialist. So, I think that my work as an SEO YDS is super important. I teach the kids about self-awareness. I teach the kids about self-management and I teach the kids about relationship skills and I feel

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like those are really important things for the kids to know because I mean those are really important life skills and whatnot. So, it's safe to say that my experience at the Boys and Girls Club was great and it's still going great and I'm excited to expand and I'm I'm

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excited to continue doing what I love but also serving the kids and most importantly like having fun. Thank you for your time. >> Yeah, amazing story. What was the what was the acronym that you used? What's your position?

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>> Social emotional learning youth development specialist. It's a mouthful. S O YDS for short. >> That's it. Very cool. >> Thank you very much. >> She also told me earlier today that she's coming for your job, Derell. And she is the future club director of St.

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Cloud is what she wants to be. Born and raised here and that is her dream to continue leading the future generations of all the years to come. Thank you. >> Very cool. Thank you. >> All right. All right, we have some members of the audience who'd like to

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speak on this item. Uh, first up, we have Mr. Miss Teresa Melhot. I assume this is the one you wanted to speak on, even though it had public hearing circle. >> Yeah, come on up. And I I just assume this was the one you meant. Uh, you had

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public hearing number three circle, but >> sorry, >> I figured it was council action three. >> Teresa Melhot 2924, Cool Breeze Circle, St. Cloud, Florida 34769. Um I I did want to comment a couple

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things. I do think the Boys and Girls Club is a valuable good organization. Um my daughter went to one in uh California, so I kind of know how they work and you know after their afterchool program. But what I want to say there's

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a big difference between children's afterchool care and a community center. I have myself have attended many many events out at Hopkins Park and not all of them were for children. Some were for adults and

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that's what a community center does. So they take kids up to the age 18 but what about 18 plus? you're not literally no options for these people to have a place to go or still continue to have events out there. I do see on the thing it said

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you could have events afterwards, but if the city's not maintaining anybody out there anymore if this goes through. I also is Yeah, I want to look at the timer. >> No, you're fine. Teresa, [laughter] go ahead. We love hearing you talk. >> Um, I also want to say is I don't

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understand this big rush. We don't even know if the homestead thing is going to pass. And I realize you're all caught between a rock and a hard place in trying to figure out all the cities in Florida are doing the same thing right now. All the cities, all the counties,

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everybody's saying, you know, we're not going to have money for this or that and parks and rec. But I also notice when I'm looking at the agenda tonight, uh the next one down under this one, you all want to pay $7,000 in parks and

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recreation impact fees to buy uh 3,640 square foot building located 1401 New York Avenue, which would I'm believing that's right next to Veterans Park. So on one hand you have here that you're all saying we have to like give it away

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for a dollar a year. A brand new building that the city is taxpayers not city the taxpayers are paying for the taxpayers. It is not really the city council's building or the city's building. It's the taxpayers. So, I just

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wish you all were in such a hurry and there's a lot more questions to be had or to go through like so and then you all want to keep calling a community center which it really isn't then if it's just going to be for kids.

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Um a community center includes everyone and me at 70 plus if I still went out and go to the community center for events others do too. And why are we giving away a brand new building? Maybe it would be better to give the old community center that

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probably needs a lot more fixing up all the time than a brand new building for a dollar a year for 50 years when the taxpayers are paying $10 million for it. That just seems irresponsible to me in a way. Thank you.

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>> All right. I'm going to correct a few things, Teresa, before you you can sit down if you like, but I'm going to correct a few things. I didn't know if you wanted to step up here to berate me. >> No, no, no. But there's a few statements that weren't accurate. Uh, first of all, on the agenda, those are parks impact

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fees. >> That's different than operations money to money to operate that park. Different money. You can't use impact fees to operate that park. You know the difference. I You've been around here for many, many years. I know you know the difference. The other thing is, city manager, what events, what adult events

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do we host out there? I just want to understand that >> we may occasionally do an an event that includes adults, but that's not part of our regular pro programming out there. It's typically the afterchool program in that building. We do have a monthly meeting with the Hopkins Park area

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residents, but the majority of the events are outside. >> Okay. So, there's no swing dance and line dancing or adults stuff that you do at the senior center. Um, s Teresa, you want to maybe you know events you spoke of it, so I'll go ahead and let you address that.

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>> But we do have the ability in the agreement to still do events. Um, also >> All right. Go ahead, Teresa. >> But who's going to be in charge of those? >> Hold on. What events? >> Well, I I attended uh women's empowerment events, but that would be considered DEI. Now,

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>> did somebody rent that facility, an outside organization for that? >> I don't believe so. And I Okay. So, that was one of them. >> Okay. And then I attended another one on um was a workshop on vision board vision board workshop which was adults only

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even though a couple people did bring their small kids that didn't have a babysitter. Um >> okay [clears throat] that's fine. I just I've never been to an adult other than I know the Hopkins Park community they have their community meetings out there and I'd assume that

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that could still continue if this were to move forward. Yes, it can. So, part of the revision that was always intended to allow >> I see the revision one now. I did. >> Let me get the answer from city manager, please. >> Yes. So, the the intent has always been and the Boys and Girls Club has been amazing every time we've spoken to them

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about the needs of the residents in the in the area, actually the citizens of St. Cloud for the facility, and they've been very willing to work with us. So, um, just to clarify that they were willing to work with us and we put language in this proposal today that would allow the city to be the person

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allowing some of these events outside. So, the agreement already allowed us to use the the property for any city events. And then we added language now that if there was an outside group like the Hopkins neighborhood meeting that happens once a month, if the Boys and Girls Club um doesn't have staff

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available to stay after hours, that city staff could go ahead and facilitate the use of the building moving forward. Um >> thought you were hitting the light. Sorry. >> I just want the taxpayers to get >> I'm sorry. I just think the taxpayers should get

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if we're paying $10 million for a building, then maybe the taxpayers should choose whether we want to give it away for a dollar a month. >> Okay. Thank you for Thank you for reminding me because that's the other inaccurate statement. Yeah. So, nobody's giving anything away. >> So, ma'am, I've got the floor.

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>> Okay. Sorry. >> Okay. Nobody's giving anything away. >> If you read the presentation, $300,000 a year to operate this facility. So we're saving. So parks and recreation, you don't make money on any of these activities. Okay. So with this property tax reform, I'm just going to go ahead

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and say that for the whole room to understand. I'm sure many of you do. Parks and wreck, unfortunately, I know we've got our amazing parks and wreck in the room, but everybody knows that those I'm going to call them luxuries are the first to be cut. And it sucks if that

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were to occur. And that's where we [snorts] have been trying for many, many months to get out ahead of all of this in case that happens. Now, that's the citizen's choice. It's a menu. And I've said this in many meetings in the past few months. You want hot dogs, you want steak,

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right? Here's here's your options. If you want hot dogs, vote for this thing. If you want steak, don't vote for it. I don't either way. It's up to the citizens whether or not they want to vote for it. We can only provide the level of service that the citizens would like to have, and that is up to them

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come November. So, thank you, Teresa. I appreciate you clarifying all that. That's all right. We're all done. Thanks. Uh, next up we have Stephanie Gilbert. >> Good evening. Put my glasses on.

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Um, good evening, mayor, members of city council. My name is Stephanie Gilbert and I live at 20008 Pine Street, St. Cloud. As many of you know, my family's roots run deep in Hopkins Park. My children

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grew up there. My daughter continues that legacy today through her work with Parks and Wreck. But Hopkins Heroes was not founded for my family. It was founded to honor the legacy of the elders in our community

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who built this village and to make sure the supportive village is there for the next generation. I want to be very clear tonight. We are not seeking to control the space or dictate how it is ran. Hopkins Heroes is

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a volunteer-driven nonprofit. Our board and supporters give their time because they love this community. We exist to support the community or support the city and serve as a bridge to the neighborhoods, not to get in the

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way of progress or demand control. I'm sorry. All right, I got to get >> Take your time, Stephanie. We got all night. >> For the past six years, we have proudly partnered with the city and parks and wreck, a journey that began as a dedicated volunteer effort and

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officially grew into Hopkins heroes when we became a registered nonprofit in February of 24. Together, we have expanded programs, served hundreds of local children, and proven what is possible when we work hand in hand.

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Because of that strong history of working together, the sudden shift in direction regarding the future management of the park took many in our community by surprise, mainly me. Um, however, we want to move forward

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constructively. We recently met with representatives from the Boys and Girls Club in good faith because we believe collaboration is the best path. This is not about opposing any organization. It's about

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making sure the heart and soul of our of Hopkins Park remains central to the vision. A 50-year agreement is a massive milestone, and we all want to ensure it is resounding success. Because summer camp runs through August and

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construction is still on the horizon, we have a unique window of opportunity. This transition period gives us the space to sit down together, refine details, and make sure structured community involvement is built right

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into the foundation of this agreement. Tonight, I respectfully ask you to place a six-month hold on this vote, commit to hosting five collaborative workshops, and work with the community during this time. Let's use this space to work

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together so that the neighborhood's voice is actively reflected in the final agreement. This isn't just about a building. It's about preserving the legacy of those who came before us, our elders, our

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families, and ensuring future generations inherit at Hopkins Park, where the community is included, heard, and continues to thrive. Thank you for your time and service in St. Cloud. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Stephanie.

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>> Let me ask you a question, Stephanie. So, six months. So, you support the Boys and Girls Club being in there, but you just want six months to hammer out any just understand a little better. Is that kind of >> I don't unsupport it at all. I think everyone should work together and if it's in the best interest of the kids in

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the community, absolutely. >> Okay. So, you do support them. That's so a little different than what Teresa was saying. So Teresa doesn't believe we should have the Boys and Girls, but you are good with the Boys and Girls Club. >> I'm good with them if long as we bring community and build on what it's been

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there for the last 50 years. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. All right, Pastor Augusta ODM, you're up here already, so >> Well, thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. My name is Pastor Augusta Odum. I live at 1621 Orange Avenue, St.

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Cloud, and I'm also the president of the Hopkins Park Community Watch. which been I've been there a long time, but I'm here uh to agree with what Stephan has said. You know, we we worked hard over the years in that park. You know, it was

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donated to us to that community, you know, as a park by Mr. Clifford Freddy and we as children uh when we got out of school uh we had a gentleman that worked for the Becks. He bought his tractor out there and his disc and it was pair

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meadows. It was bushes. He dished it all down. And when we come after school, he had a tractor out there with a trailer where we picked up roots and everything else that was in the way, you know, of getting that park ready to have a building on it. And the children and and all of us, we did that for a long time.

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And the building finally got built. But we we are only concerned about you know us as a community where we stand you know with this with the girls and boys boys and girls clubs coming in to the facility where do we stand in the

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community you know to be a part of it you know we got people uh Mr. Mr. uh Robert Hopkins you know uh he worked hard before the park ever got built you know and uh Mr. Mr. uh uh Mr. Edy, okay. Work with the children, you know, the

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baseball and everything, you know, and others like myself and Stephanie and some of the other relatives there worked hard with the children. Those children got out of school and they they uh they they went to the building, okay? They had computers in there that we got

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donated from the from the county and they helped those children with their homework every day. every day they work with those children with their homework, you know, and those children was happy, amen, to be in there, you know, and the other thing we did, we had the uh we call it, we used to call it the Hopkins

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Park Crime Watch meeting. We had we did have some crime out there. Okay. And but we got that situation taken care of by the grace of God and by St. Cloud PD County, uh state troopers and others, you know, where we cleaned up that drug

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situation. It's been cleaned up ever since. Now, we've had a few, you know, that uh been popped in there, but we have the uh crime watch decreed. We we we changed it from the the the uh Hopkins Park Crime Watch because some of the parents in there that had children out there that was, you know, doing

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their thing and they quit coming. So, we changed it from Hopkins Park Crime Watch to Hopkins Park Community Watch. And that's what we called it today, Hopkins Park Community Watch, cuz we we're concerned about, you know, our children. We we weren't trying to throw them in prison or nothing like this right here, but we was trying to get them to come in

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and talk with us and we talked to them and try to get them to straighten theirself out, but it never happened, you know. So anyway, but we are adults, oh God, and the children of Hopkins Park community. Again, we just want to know where we stand, you know, with this. And uh like Stephanie said, I thank you if

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y'all would give us more time for this to be voted on, voted on, you know, and let us father Lord be here when it does happen. God bless you. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah, Pastor Odum, I'll tell you, you know, as a child, I played on those fields as an adult. Of course, I came

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and spoke at the meetings with your nonprofit. I personally donated to your nonprofit. >> Uh I know other council members up here as well. Uh David Edy Day out there, we all participate. I know the police department does their water gun wars out there. We always enjoy that.

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>> No, you don't. But that's all right. I think that the parks and wreck and and the kids, they they they whoop y'all every time. >> We love that park. >> Amen. >> We would never do anything that would um be disrespectful to the history of that park. We love the history of our community. As you can tell, this council

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was focused 100% >> Amen. >> on the history of our entire community. >> Amen. >> Um when it comes to this, yeah, obviously I would love whatever facility goes there. Obviously, this has been in the works for how many years, Stephanie? >> A lot. >> Three, four, five years. Well, this one's been four, look, four, four and a

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half. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. And I've been here a year and a half, right, on council. >> Oh, yes. >> And and now we're finally getting to a point where we're actually we might see something there, right? And unfortunately with the property tax reform, that's really kind of changes

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the way the direction of winds. But I think I know with me and I believe with this council that anything inside that facility would pay respect to the history of that park. >> Amen. I know with that field I believe there should be a bigger sign for David

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Edy on that field. I've already I've spoken with that with the Ed family as well in the past and um I think every one of us loves that community. >> Amen. >> So thank you very much for both of your inputs on this. >> Amen. One one more thing I do want to say is that uh uh um when we heard about

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the situation, you know, with the Boys and Gloves Club, uh we was told understand that uh that that they had been communicating with y'all ever since April or May or or whatever have you, you know, and when we found out about it, it was two days last

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week before we found out anything about it. Uh we would have been we would have loved for them to communicate with us, come out to the park and talk to us about it, you know, see how we felt about it. We we we we we know we're not here to condemn, okay? We're here to

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work with, you know, and uh but they, you know, we didn't hear anything until then, you know, and we thought, you know, that it would have been fair, you know, for us to have known what was going on before, you know, last week. >> Okay. Yeah. And I do understand y'all do

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many programs out there uh Stephanie with Hopkins Heroes and I spoke with Leonard Thompson as well and Heart Cried Church and he told me they participate in some programming as well. So yeah, I wouldn't mind um some time for those organizations or speak with Boys and Girls Club. >> Yeah.

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>> I mean, if y'all don't mind me, continue. I know we're kind of it's a little different tonight. Um, I toured the Boys and Girls Club here locally, the one on Simpson Road, and I've toured the one lo the one in St. Cloud, and I think they're an

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amazing organization. I can't think of a better one if we were to go this route, >> and I think they'd be more than happy to sit down with you folks, and uh, and I think you've already had one meeting with them already. Okay. >> All right. Thank you'all. Council, do you have any comments from

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>> I don't necessarily have any, you know, questions. I was wondering if staff so you were talking about you know the you know folks out there being able to to have access to their living if one of the staff members can explain the one section of the amended agreement that we

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have that that kind of answers their question [clears throat] >> oh your mic's not on Sean >> I'm sorry and confirms the uh the ability for the use um through the city um and whatnot because that came you know here just in the last you know

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hours or so. Yes. Uh, Council Member Fletcher. Um, one of the things that that we had done and this was following um some of the comments from uh I attended the Hopkins uh community meeting uh last week um from some of the

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other comments that were out there and these were things that had been discussed with the Boys and Girls Club that they were happy to do. But what uh we made some amendments this afternoon to actually memorialize those items in

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there. Uh, and it specifically reads, um, see here, the city's right to use the building shall include but not be limited to the right to authorize the use of the building by third parties during such times as Lency is not

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engaged in active programming and under such terms and conditions that the city may require. has expressively agreed and understood that during such times as a city has authorized the use of the building by a third party, the lency shall not be responsible in any matter uh manner for the supervision of such

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activity authorized by the city. And what that means is we're making sure that the Boys and Girls Club has the ability to add additional programs to work with other organizations, whether it's Hopkins Heroes, whether it's any

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other uh third-party uh programming uh activities and events that that would be out there that they have the ability to do that unfettered and they can keep moving forward with that. We also added language in there,

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as I had mentioned previously, that says that on the days and times when the facility is closed. So, for example, if the building were to close at at 8:00 p.m., say, and there was somebody who wanted to be in there and have a meeting from 8:00 to 9:00

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p.m., we have now put language into the agreement that says that the city then can go ahead and facilitate those meetings or those rentals. to happen as well as additional city programs that may wish to occur

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during those times as well. And then to follow up on that, um, so for example, if we were working with an organization that wanted to do, say a large food drop, like a tractor trailer trailer load of of food to give to to folks in the community who would need that, that would be able to happen because of some

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of these things >> that would have been able to happen anyway because all of those things are happening on the exterior of the building and the exterior of the grounds as it as it is now. It's a special event application process through city staff. all of those things. Nothing changes as as far as that goes. 99.9% of the

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special events that have h happened at Hopkins Park over the years um at least since the the city has operated the facility um they have all been gone through that that same process. So nothing changes there. Um you know did

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want to point out also that one of the benefits to this uh the city we max out the programs. Um, you know, we've talked here at city council meetings with uh summer camp. You know, we max out at 42. Obviously, they're able to to have

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significantly more uh than that in the new facility, which means they're able to serve more children. And one of the other things that was not mentioned in this slide that I did want to point out is we're talking about the age of participants. City only serves participants up to 13. So those children

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from 13 up, there has been a gap that the city has not been able to serve those those children. Uh and with the agreement uh before you with the Boys and Girls Club, that's a group now that will be served and and uh will be recognized.

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>> Thank you, Scott. >> Can I ask a question? >> Oh, yeah. >> Not right now, but can I get a copy of that one as well? >> Of course. Absolutely. >> You can have mine. Council member Paul, you want >> um Yes. So, um we've already spoken

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about the history of Hopkins Park and I do want to acknowledge um someone that is a history person. Um the East St. Clout Civic Group Club. Um they did fight to get this park into the community and respectfully I think you

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know we honoring that legacy um because right now there are two um current living which is Ann Jones and Freddy Holy um still around. Um, and then secondly, I wasn't here for the beginning of the conversation with

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Hopkins Park and um, I know I spoke to Miss Gilbert many times about Hopkins and how she can partner with them. I do believe um, there should be transparency coming from the city regarding um, these

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discussions when they're out in the community because, you know, these are the people that live in the community. they know their community and keeping them involved. Um, it makes a difference and the residents will respect that more. Um, so I can't speak on before who

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promised what. I wasn't here for that conversation. I can only speak after 115 2024. And then um, there were misinformation pit out there about the agreements being approved. As of today, not one city council person has voted on

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that agreement. And then um there was talk about the park being sold. Nowhere in agreement states that the park was being sold. And then um lastly, if this does get delayed for 6 months, I

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would like to see we do have a parks and recreation advisory board. If there is future conversation, I would like to have them part of that conversation. So that way, I'm not sure if they knew what was going on, but to allow them to be involved in the conversation moving

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forward. So, >> yes, MA'AM. [applause] >> All right. Next up, we have Bobby Lantry. Hi, Bobby Lantry uh 3316 Cypress Point Circle, St. Cloud, Florida. I currently

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serve as the chairman of the St. Cloud of Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. And I would like to elaborate on the recommendation that we unanimously approved by our board at last night's uh meeting. We recently learned of the proposed agreement for the Boys and

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Girls Club to operate the future Hopkins Park Community Center, a facility that has not yet broken ground. And given that this proposal only became a public last week, our board felt it was important to carefully consider the potential impact before such a

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significant long-term agreement was approved. After a thoughtful discussion, the parks and recreation advisory board voted unanimously 5 to zero to recommend the city council postpone taking action on the agreement until additional

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information became available. I wanted to be clear that our recommendation was not a statement for or against the Boys and Girls Club. Rather, it reflected our belief that there were still many important decisions that our resident and community need answers to before

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entering into the long-term operating agreement. Some of those answers I heard uh in the updated agreement just now that they were talking about that we had ourselves questioned last night. So, those were additional some of those questions. Um, but some of those

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are questions that we talked about were including understanding the terms of the agreement, how the partnership would function on a day-to-day basis, what role the city would continue to play in operating the facility, how access would be provided to the public, and how other local organizations would have

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opportunities to utilize the community center. Some of which it sounds like is already being addressed. So, that's wonderful. Um, furthermore, as the advisory board charged with representing our parks and rec recreation system, we believe it is our responsibility to

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encourage a transparent and informed decision-making process. We respectfully ask that the city council uh delay the vote until these questions can be better addressed and the community has had an opportunity to to better understand the

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proposed partnership and how it worked. and we do appreciate the council's consideration of our recommendation and we do remain available to assist in reviewing any proposal or any additional information as it becomes available.

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Thank you again for allowing me to speak. >> Thank you, Bobby. [applause] >> Council member Fletcher, you still you're good. >> All right. I just want to add um you know, all of us are citizens here as well, just like y'all. There's no

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difference. We were elected up here to make decisions for the benefit of the community. Um, we didn't put the language together, right? Our job is to review it, take the input from the citizens, vote on it, vote our conscience. Um,

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and I mean, I just want to be transparent with the fact that it was only today that I received phone calls in opposition of this. So, you know, Stephanie, you could have reached out to me. >> There were things said on social media

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and and fingers get pointed at council when we this is the time where we get to discuss it with one another and work out details in front of the audience, right? So, to start attacking the council or the city before a votes even made,

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nobody knows how where I land on this. So to say that there's backdoor deals or I mean that's to imply that either the Boys and Girls Club are doing a backdoor deal or our city staff or our council members. Who else is there? So to to say those things, it's it's it's

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just not good for our community. So we need to respect one another. We're up here to do a job. It's a very important job. It's not and especially this year. It's probably the the most challenging for any council that's ever been up here because um of the unknown come November

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and that's up to y'all. You know, we we are here to provide the services that y'all want in the community. So, we do I know I appreciate everybody that comes up here and discusses this issue. Um I already have my mind made up, but I appreciate hearing your words today.

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Anybody else have any other comments on this item? Deputy Mayor. >> Well, thank you, uh, mayor, and, uh, and I don't mean to be screwed, chair, but, I'm a business owner. Um, I as Fellowship of Christian Athletes, uh,

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for for years. I coached over 26 years. I founded the Place for Grace Ministries. I'm a social worker, and I own three autism schools. So, so I I get community involvement. I get that. But I I have to get away from the emotional part of this and I have to look at the fiscal responsibility that the citizens

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of St. Cloud hired me for. I have to be fiscally responsible for all 70 plus thousand citizens of the city of St. Cloud. Uh that's why they hired me. We we're all independent thinkers and the mayor is right. We did not have a chance to discuss this till just right now. We

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we can't quum. We can't meet. We can't do anything unless it's in a public venue. So, I I I put over together a hundred uh pages of notes and I'd just like to give you my opinion. And again, it's not going to be a great opinion, but it's my opinion for the 70,000

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people, not not just this park, but I love parks and wrecks, as you know. I I made the proclamation for it. So, I I I'm opposing uh very much the city to to build Hopkins Park Community and sign a 50-year agreement with Boys and Girls Clubs. The city proposed spending $10

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million on a new facility that Boys and Girls Clubs would run for just a dollar a year. Staff claims that this would make us uh save us $300,000 in annual personnel costs. But even with the optim optimistic math, that would take over 32

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years to break even on the city's investment, the taxpayers's investment. That is not including interest rates. So when you bond and you say that the city has got money for this, we don't. We're

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borrowing money for this. We we it's not that we have in our pockets, we're buying this. This is something we have to bond out and have to pay interest for it. So right now we're we're in a quagmire with with with the legislation coming on that we have no control over, but we have to be fiscally responsible

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for all the citizens. So this is before any interest rates. This is before any m maintenance and any unexpected cost. Well, those costs go to the citizens of St. Cloud. Not just the people sitting here, but the 70 plus thousand people

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that I report to. The 70 plus thousand people that elected me a and and chose that I could come back here for four more years. I've owned many businesses a and multiple businesses. And this just doesn't make sense. This makes no sense

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to me at all. Okay, I'm talking as a businessman, so please forgive me. And I I'm emotional. I got five kids, eight grandkids. I love parks, Rex. I love that stuff. But I have to look for the citiz cloud. I don't think this makes sense for the citizens of St. Cloud. I

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just don't period. [applause] At the same time, the city right now is working very hard and we have a great city staff. We have great people, but we're working at cuts for fiscal 27, which means October 20 uh October 1st,

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2026 through September 30th, 2027. We're making cuts right now in anticipation for a vote that we have no control over. The citizens have control over, but we want to maintain those th those those things that make us the safest city in

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the state of Florida. I don't know if anybody knows that, but we are. And that's because we have great police officers and great fire and and great people. Again, we had 23,000 people down at at at at Fourth of July. Zero incidents. Zero. So, so, so how do

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you put your priorities? Again, I'm a business owner. I I don't I don't know. Uh, again, I I I love kids. I'm a social worker by degree, but I I I just don't know how we can uh vote on something to decide a proposal when we're going to

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vote on eliminating homestead taxes and spending $10 million. I feel it's irresponsible for me to vote on this. I I feel it's irresponsible for me to put that burden on the taxpayers and go in debt for something that we don't know what's coming up.

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I It's the weirdest thing ever. If I have a bad year in business, I'm not buying 10 things. I'm not buy I'm cutting back. So to make capital expenditures on a borrowed note on something we have to pay back with interest, it makes no sense to me. And and again,

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emotions out outside of this. I'm I'm looking at the taxpayer dollars every day. And they they elected me to save their dollars and use them wisely. This building and this stuff, it it doesn't make sense. Maybe it did six

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years ago, but this is a new era. We just found out we we may not have homestead taxes, which is 10% of the city's budget. Now, think about that. When you have a home budget, if you say, "I'm going to cut back home budget, but I'm going to build a new garage." How's that going to

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work out for us? >> We're just going to borrow the money and put it on our credit card. How's that going to work out? For these reasons, I I I I respectfully ask the city to table this proposal for eight months or at least after November. I I don't know. But we have to prioritize quality of life for all

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citizens. And what that means is the police, the fire protection and and is the utmost importance. We have a fire police department that has been built 28 years ago when they had 24 officers. They're in the same department. They have 160

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107 sworn officers plus other people. Where's our money best spent for our citizens of St. Cloud right now today? I'm not saying when we're moving on this hill up, but we're not. We have to look at that stuff. We have to tighten our belts. And I and and it's hard to say

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that. And you can call me Scrooge or Lionus. I don't care. But the community center has served us well. A massive new building with a long-term contract is simply not a wise investment for the taxpayers at this time. in just my

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humble opinion as one member of council and this is the first time the other council's heard my opinion but I just it doesn't make sense to me and what I want to do is I want to continue what we're doing I want to keep this community I want to keep 23,000 people at the 4th of

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July I want to have the safest city in in the state of Florida but are we going to borrow money to build something and argue about who's going to run it to me that doesn't make sense with that eel back mayor And and and again, I don't mean to be Scrooge, but I just want to

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squash this whole thing for 8 to 10 months just to figure out after the November uh uh elections. I yield back to you, mayor. >> Deputy, mayor. [applause] Um can't agree with you more on the challenges we face with come

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November. Um and y'all are watching this play out live. I mean, this is how challenging it is and how it this will truly affect the services in our community. So, I'm going to go ahead and uh recognize Council Member Paul here. Um I do want to say I'm in agreement if

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we delay the proposal and come back where all parties sit down together and work it out. Um and that's the beauty of working together. Um, when it comes to the park, I think maybe this community has that park has been like that as far

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as I know before my time of being born in ' 84. And it's not fair to the residents to have a old park like it is now in 2026, but then the city can go out and buy something else. That's a slap in a face to the residents that you

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can go spend money somewhere else, but the residents have to sit in a park that's been like that since the 70s. I think we also should consider maybe looking at the master plan again and downsizing it or something, but to just eliminate it off the table is not right

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to the residents because they've been promised uh this park for many, many years and they still have not had one. Council [applause] member, >> uh, this might be a question for

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finance, but the the money has already been bonded, right? It's what we're already it's already been borrowed, so we're already paying interest on it. Is that correct, >> Jeff Cooper, finance director? That is

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correct. However, let me assure you that zero of your uh taxpayers dollars are going to repay this debt. This debt is repaid with parks impact fees. Uh also police impact fees for their share, fire

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impact fees for their share and the remainder out of the 1% search charge. So ad valorum revenues are not involved in the repayment of this debt. Uh, also we have until September of 2028

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and we are required to expend 85% of the amount borrowed which is over $80 million total for all the projects. Uh, but again impact fees are the repayment source along with the 1% sir charge. the

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general fund is is not involved in the repayment of this debt in any form. >> Council member Urban. >> So, and I just I I wanted to because I I >> agree with fiscal responsibility like like Deputy Mayor was saying and we're we're we're we're facing some very

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challenging times ahead in the city with this vote, but the the process is already um in motion here. And and I I while I would be in support of taking a step back and having community meetings about the Boys and Girls Club, I I do think we should still move forward since

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the money has already been bonded. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Um I um speaking to to I mean I agree with the the comments that uh Councilwoman Paul has mentioned. Um this community

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has waited for a new community center for for many many years. We worked very diligently to get to the point where we are today. Um, Coupe, I still got some questions. [laughter] >> Um, um, when it comes to the repayment

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of the bonds, um, you referred to impact fees. Can you please let us know where the impact fees come from to repay those bonds? >> Okay. So for the citizens, impact fees are what are charged for uh new residential and sometimes commercial.

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For parks, impact fees, it's uh new residential, it's $2,800 and something dollars for uh the average new residential home. Uh our parks impact fee balance at the moment is somewhere

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in the $10 million range. So, we will pay $1.5 million per year towards that debt through 2025, 2045, rather. >> Okay. Thank you, Q. >> Deputy mayor. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> You said you had one more.

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>> Oh, I did. But so, so we're we're looking at buckets right now. So, it's not not general fund. It's park impact fees and it's this and this. And if you look at the the the growth of of of St. cloud. We're we're guar we're looking at how many more people are going to move in to pay for something that we we're we're buying today. And we're not

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guaranteed how many people are moving in. If you look at permits and and the slowing growth of of of this the the county and the state, uh you're a predictor. I'm a predictor. I'm just saying as a business person, I don't go ahead and spend 10 million bucks when I don't know how much they're going to

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make next year. It it's the weirdest thing ever, but it's how you you run businesses and businesses would go out of business if they didn't balance their budget. So, I want to balance our budget for the citizens of St. Cloud. And it's nothing against this park. I love this park. I I spend thousands of dollars in

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in donations to everything they got going on. But we have to be fiscally responsible for the 70ome thousand people in in the city of St. Cloud. And no matter what bucket you take it out of, it's a bucket that comes into the coffers of the city of St. Cloud. And it's up to us and council and management

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how to spend it properly. So you we can do numbers all day long. Uh, but it it's a figure and and it costs money and it and you look at our debt service. You just told me it's a 1.5 million bucks that we have to pay back in interest every year.

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>> No, that's principle and interest, sir. >> Oh, I'm sorry that. Sorry. I don't have 1.5 million to pay in principal and interest right now until I know what's going to happen in November. I'm just asking the council to consider to to wait to see what's going on with with

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with the the the the uh the [snorts] elections in and the this uh homestead tax before we make a a move and a knee-jerk move. I I I want Hopkins Park to be great. I want the Boys and Girls Club to be great. I I want many things to be great, but I also want to be

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fiscally responsible for our citizens and our taxpayers of St. Cloud and not just this park, but the 70s some thousand people that live here. So, I apologize for that. And I know I'm probably the not not the most popular guy right now, but running multiple businesses, I I

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never spent more money than I made. I re yield back to you, mayor. >> You just turn your light back on. >> Oops. Sorry. Um, everybody see how much fun this is now? Uh, deal with this property tax reform. It's challenging and it's not unique. Every city in

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Florida is going through this right now. and their residents. I know it's not just ours, but there's residents in their cities that are lobbing attacks at them every day when all of the elected officials and the staff, they're just trying to do the best they can, right? With the uncertainty of what's going to

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happen in November. So, one ultimately it's going to be up to you guys, right? Y'all are going to make that decision come November and uh we'll work with whatever y'all choose. Uh do we have any anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item?

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And council members, anything else. All right. Make sure everybody's good here. And I did tell uh the people that did call me, I did tell them how I felt about this item and which way I was

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swinging on it. So, um, uh, anyone like to make a motion on this? >> I make a motion to delay the proposal for 6 months. >> All right. We have a motion from Council Member Paul to delay this project. >> Uh, delay the item for 6 months. And we

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have a second from Council Member Fletcher. >> Will the clerk please call the RO? >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. I, >> Council Member Paul. >> I, >> Mayor Robertson, >> I. >> Motion carries 5-0.

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>> All right. Thank you. And next up, we have >> consent item number 12. Is that the one we're doing next? >> We're going to go a consent agenda. >> We're going to go ahead and do the consent agenda now. Thank you everyone

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for showing up here tonight and uh voicing your concerns. consent item 12 was removed from consent agenda and moved to council action. >> Okay. >> All right. You're going to have to

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repeat that to me. >> It's removed. It was removed and moved to council action. >> Move to council action. Okay. >> It'll be the last last item on council action. >> We'll go ahead and wait for some audience members to leave the council chambers.

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All right. Next up, we have the consent agenda. Next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial. If anyone in the audience wish to address particular item on the consent agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so. Additionally, if staff or

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members of the city council wish to speak on an consent item, they have the same opportunity. >> I want to >> All right. Anybody? >> I would like to pull item two for discussion. >> Like pull item two.

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All right. Anyone in the audience have any would like to speak on? In fact, let me go ahead and find the sheets here first because I think we have a few. We have any other ones want to pull? No. Um I'll go ahead and pull that one.

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Uh Council Member Paul. >> All right. So, um this one in regards to the um refundable the security deposit for the Chisum Park Pavilion. Um, I would like to say last month I did take

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a ride along with Sergeant Lawson um in regards to Chisum Park and seeing how his day-to-day is. And um in the future I would like to also see um I know when the big pavilion is rented then it's

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first come first serve on the smaller pavilions but in the future I would like to see possibly where people rent that pav pavilion because it's not fair to Sergeant Lawson who has to go and pick up trash or whatever the citizens leave

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behind. Um, you know, the residents have to do their part and be accountable for when they're renting these pavilions. Clean up after yourselves. So, I would like to see that in the future where people actually rent all the pavilions at Chisum Park.

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>> Yes, ma'am. >> All right. A mayor. >> Yes, sir. If I may, >> city attorney, >> if you'd like to approve this item with that staff could revise that if we had enough discussion, >> you want to pull that se for a separate vote. >> Well, she just took it off to to discuss

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it. So, if that's something you'd like to add to the resolution, >> would you like to add >> There is a language in there. >> Do we want to have a discussion? I mean, what with the rest of the council? I'm only one vote. So, >> I guess my point is you don't have to wait in the >> future to be able to do council member. [clears throat]

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Did I read correctly in in in this uh resolution that uh to rent the larger pavilion at Chism Park, it would require a special event permit? >> Yes. >> So, does that come with a fee? >> Yes. >> But I I I agree with Councilwoman Paul.

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I I think all of the pavilions should require uh some sort of rental fee and security deposit out there because uh I I did also uh uh meet out there and it was uh eye opening to see um and hear

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about how the process is abused sometimes and how um you know people rent it out and then cancel last minute and things like that. So I would like to see a security deposit and rental fee for all of the pavilions at Chism Park if possible. Deputy Mayor,

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>> I I agree with that, but when when you when you uh Airbnb or whatever you do with that, there's a cleanup fee also. >> So, we we've got to get wise that that you can't just throw your trash and then say, "Hey, somebody else is going to pick it up and put it on." We're we're

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looking at a budget constraint right now. So, so if uh we have great facilities and great pavilions, but there's a deposit, but there also should be a cleanup fee or or or some kind of fee that it's a check off fee. I I don't

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know that. I'm just talking private sector. If you rent an Airbnb and you trash it, you're going to get charged to clean it. Well, if you rent one of our pavilions and you trash it, you should be charged to clean it. It just makes sense. And I apologize for working as a

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business mind out here in a government entity, but that that should at least cover our cost. So, I don't know what we can put into that deposit fee or whatever or or or but I I think our cost should be covered uh uh through that. So, I yield back to you, mayor. I I

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don't think people should use our facilities and trash. >> All right. Uh Council Member Paul, would you like to make a motion? Um >> hang on, Mayor, if you could. So, I was I was pulling up the the resolution. So, um the the pavilions do

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do charge um to rent them. It's $75 for a 4-hour block, $150 for all day. Um and um we have a $50 refundable deposit for the 4-hour block and $100 refundable security deposit for the 9-hour block.

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So, if we do have to clean up the trash afterwards, we we can withhold uh the security deposit or a portion of the security. >> Deputy Mayor Do you think 50 bucks is enough to clean up somebody's trash? Because if somebody says it's going to be 50 bucks, I'm gonna walk away because it's going to be cost me more than that

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to do it myself. [snorts] You know, if you have a gig going on, you have a party going on, people trash a gig, is it 50 bucks to clean up? Some people are going to walk away from that. We have to make it so you either clean up or you pay more. Again, I'm I'm

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looking at it as a business venture in in the taxpayer dollars. uh at $50, people will walk away and it's going to cost the city of St. Cloud $150 to do it. I these things just confuse me. So I I I asked council to consider

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a reasonable fee for for cleanup. I yield back. Council member Paul, >> um I would like to also ask um if they did, would this still serve where if the big pavilion is rented, then someone

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else wanted to rent the smaller pavilion, could they do that at the same same time >> through a special event? Yes. >> The smaller pavilions, >> they if they're renting the bigger pavilion, they can rent all of the pavilions through a special event. >> But I was asking about the small pavilions. Would they be able to rent

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the smaller pavilions at the same time while the big pavilion is being rented or Okay. >> Yes. >> Scott David off deputy city manager. I think um if what I'm hearing council member Paul asking is and just so I

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understand what we're talking about here um that all pavilions should no longer be on a first come first- serve basis and that in order to use a pavilion it must be rented. >> Correct. >> Okay. I I just wanted to get

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clarification on that because that's a that's a big change. So that means that if someone is out there, they would have to be removed from the pavilions that has not rented it. >> I mean, yes. >> Okay. Just wanted to make sure >> the whole, you know, unfortunately the

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residents responsible for when they're renting these pavilions, you know, he's not out there to pick up trash from people that should be picking it up. And, you know, it holds them responsible for picking it up. If you want your security deposit back, you'll clean it up. So,

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>> yes. And does that I I just want to make sure then that this extends to all pavilions throughout the city or only Chisum Park. >> All of them. >> Deputy mayor. >> Uh when we make policy and this is what

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kind of makes me uh go bonkers. Why shouldn't it be for everything? And then why shouldn't the deposits be covering this 50 bucks? I'm telling you, I'm going to walk away if if I have 40 of my buddies from college. It's cheaper to walk away and let somebody clean it for

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50. Let's do a larger deposit. Let's do it across the board. Let's not confuse our citizens and and and put a a a scale together for everything. I I don't I just man I don't get it. We we we we shouldn't change things and a's this and

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this is this. It should be one rate. It should be you're responsible for it. We're all adults and whatever you do, we have beautiful parks. We have beautiful lakes. We have beautiful This is the best city in Florida, the safest city in Florida. Let's keep it that way and

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let's make sure we charge enough so we're not having people come in and tear up the club and then walk away. That's I don't know. It just makes sense to me. I yield back. >> Council member Fletcher. Um, just real quick, um, is the process to to reserve

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the pavilions, I should already know this, um, is it online and easy and simple or do they have to actually go into parks and wreck and then get it mailed to check and all? >> I hope not. >> I hope so. [laughter] >> Yeah, you can um reserve the pavilions

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online except for the large pavilion. They have to come in to do that >> for a special event. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, they have to come in to rent it, but we want to require a special event permit just for the sheer number of people that it holds. 200 people is a lot of people. Um, and if

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they're having a special event and they apply through the special event process, PD would require police presence. >> Very. Thank you, >> Council Member Paul. I'm sorry, City Manager. >> Thank you. I we can implement the policy

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immediately if I could clearly have direction from three people. >> City attorney. >> Well, I was going to say you've got a mo, you've got an item in front of you. It sounds like the consensus so far is to apply the rental provisions that are contained in the resolution related to

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Chisum Park for all basically require all all pavilions in the city to have to require a permit to do that. So, I think that's the consensus right now. The other piece like deputy mayor brought out, if you believe that the the deposit is too low, we just need some direction

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on what you would like the amount to be. >> Deputy mayor, >> well, I I I agree. If you you put a deposit at a level that is uh more economical for them to clean up, for them to walk away, then therefore they'll clean up. So, if you make a

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large deposit, we'll give you back the money if we come back to look at Airbnbs. Look at the that the what's going on there. there there's costs associated with that. Why can't we as a city do that? And why should we have taxpayers paying for

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somebody's birthday party? >> So, in the resolution, the deposit amounts are $50 for a 4-hour block uh and $100 for a 9-hour block. >> Okay. So, if if it's a Saturday, uh uh respect, we just staff is willing to bow

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whatever the council wants. So if you want to double them, triple them, I mean, >> well, respectfully, for 50 bucks, it's easier to walk away. You >> This has got to just make sense. I don't know what's going on here. You You charge a certain amount that encourages

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them to clean up after yourself. If you don't, you encourage them to trash the club. I mean, that's just as simple as it gets. Council, I I don't know how to explain it. >> We should have a chair up here for you, Scott, to make it a little easier and going back and forth. >> Coming soon. Um, again, I just wanted to

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point out that all all of our pavilions, there's already a fee that exists to rent the pavilions. What it is is that the policy has been that the pavilions are available on a first come first- serve basis. Uh however, if you want

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exclusive rights for that, so if you definitely want a pavilion on X day, you can go and rent it because otherwise, I'm sure many of you have seen it, people come to the park at 6:00 in the morning and start setting up so that they don't have to do that. Um so that's

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not part of what is in this resolution. Those those fees for the use of the pavilion already exist. um the amounts for the security deposits are are separate from that. I just wanted to make sure that that was that that was

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clear um and that the side of requiring a rental is a a policy um as opposed to being included within this uh fee schedule resolution. Council member Paul, >> do you know um if city of CMI has um or

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what their deposit may be for their lakefront? >> Um I when we did the research I I saw and I don't remember but I can get that for you. >> I would propose 150 minimum security deposit for all of the pavilions. I

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don't know, deputy mayor, what do you think that's too low or? >> And again, uh, you do cost analysis on everything. Uh, uh, in my professional businesses, we clean up after events and they're charged by hour to clean up by hour and it's credit card on file. So, I

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I don't know that uh um u Councilman, but I I know we have to encourage them to clean up versus let them go and and walk away. So, I I don't know the figure. you put 250 bucks on there. I think they're gonna say, "Wow, that's gonna cost me some money." And they're going to pack up the stuff and go, but

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we have to pack it up and we have to take it to the dump, too. And we have to pay for the dump fees and and things such as that. I'm just trying to cover our cost. We have a great great place, but I don't want taxpayers to pay for somebody else coming in and renting our pavilions. So, I yield back to you. I don't know the exact number. Uh you may

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be able to tell me, but you know, 250 would clean up uh the biggest pavilion, do you think? Because this is like Saturdays and Sundays. This is overtime. Also, you you got to understand that. No tax on tips. No tax on overtime. >> Are we talking just weekends? >> When you say Saturday and Sunday,

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>> no, I'm saying any anything. I'm just saying most of the pavilion rentals, uh, Mayor are are usually weekends and things like that for for birthday parties and holidays. I would say 70 80% of it. I don't know. Maybe maybe Casey will tell us when those pavilions are rented more.

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>> Yeah. Uh the pavilions are mostly rented on the weekends, but the large pavilion to to your um point, council member or deputy mayor Gilbert, if it goes through the special event process, depending on the number of people that are going to attend the party, we have a a chart that determines the number of trash cans

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which the party is charged for. So the the the big pavilion deposit will be taken care of through they have they're going to be paying for their trash anyway. trash pick up, >> but they're supposed to pick it up. >> Yeah. Put it in. >> They can't just throw it on the ground and then >> Oh, yeah. No, they can't do that. >> Our people just throw it in the trash

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can. >> Okay. Uh, Council Member Paul, would you like to um state a a uh an amendment to this resolution? >> May I ask one more question? >> Yes. Deputy Mayor. >> Uh, Mr. Lawson, can you come up here, please?

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>> Let's have boots on the ground. >> Yeah. and and with an amendment. I'm going to ask for a second and then I'll ask for if there's any public comment. >> Sergeant Lawson, St. Cloud Police Department and the caretaker at Chism Park. >> You're the guy who picks up all the trash.

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>> I pick up a lot. >> You do a lot out there. I know you rescued some folks the other night and the other day. >> Was that yesterday? Day before. >> Yeah. Thank you very much for everything you do. >> Sorry, what was the question? Right. My question is what would you think would

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be reasonable and how many people trash the place and leave and how many people are responsible? Your boots on the ground. I I don't know, but I know it's a beautiful facility and we want to keep it that way and we have to discourage people from uh messing up our our neighborhood, >> right? >> What What's your thoughts, please? I

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just need to know boots on the ground. So, I agree with what you said about uh we got to make it advantageous for us. Um because it does cost us a lot of money to pick up that trash constantly. If you have a party in the morning, that's got to be cleared up

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before the second party comes in. If it's first come, first serve. They come in, they do what they want, and then they leave, and it leaves it on us to to take care of. and I have two other helpers or I have two other individuals from parks and wreck that do a lot more work than I do out there. And I just try

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to help them as much as possible. And I see the amount of work that they do constantly Monday through Monday from very early in the morning when I open up the park until I close the park. And even after I close the park, I'm still picking up stuff, cleaning up the park, and taking care of as much as I can to

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help out those guys because I mean, we're thin and I I I don't have a number for you. Um, but it's got to be more than what we're doing. And the first come first serve is where we're having I think is where the issue is coming from. >> Gunshot.

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Councilman, >> I had a question for you since you're out there. Do you see a problem with us starting to charge for every pavilion at Chism Park? Do you see an enforcement problem on your end uh for that? I think that that would give us the

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advantage um to to making sure that the we can enforce because right now I have I have no no enforcement power unless there's somebody that's coming in where there is a first come first- serve person or party there and then we have a party that's coming in. We've seen that

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multiple times where somebody will take over a pavilion and it it causes a disturbance and then I have to I have to come in there and and take care of that. >> Okay. With this deposit, do they get it back if they pick up the trash? If they leave it better than they found it or as

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they found it. >> Yeah. Yeah, they would get their deposit back if they left or if they left it like they found it. But, um, the security deposit too is for like Casey was saying, sometimes he has to go respond because there's a a rental and then another rental and they don't want to leave or whatever the case may be.

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So, if PD or the park ranger has to respond, we would also hold back the deposit. Yeah. And I don't think that's the best use for our PD is to be the >> obviously the the person chasing out the people that have been there 10 minutes,

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20 minutes too long. And um All right. Uh do we do we want to go ahead and make a motion um or an amendment to the resolution? >> Yes. >> All right. Go ahead and state your amendment to the resolution. So, I make a motion to with the changes in adding

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the security deposit for all pavilions except for pavilion B at Chisum Park because that's a special permit um event permit and I like the recommendation of maybe 150 for security deposit.

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>> I'll second. >> Okay. How much is the fee? So there's a security deposit, but how much is the fee? >> So it's $75 for a 4 hour block or 150 for all day? >> 75 for a 4 hour. So it's the 150.

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>> Well, that so there's it's a tiered structure. So pavilions that hold 20 people are $75 for a 4-hour block or all day is 150. For the PE uh pavilions that hold up to 60 people, it's $125 for a

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four hour block or 250 all day. >> Okay. >> So, would you want to make the deposit just the twice of the rental rate? >> Exactly. >> That's fine. >> All right. >> You want to restate that as the So, the the deposit is going to be twice the

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>> Okay. I make a motion to make the security deposit twice as the rental fee. >> Second. >> All right. We have a motion from council member Paul and a second from council member Urban. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this? Yes, ma'am. Come on up. >> All right. You got to come to the

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microphone. Please state your name and address for the record. >> Bridget Lily, 3666 Daydream Place. >> Um the city of Cesam and Orange County parks have a first come, first- serve basis, no fee. So there's taxpayers pay for the pavilions. They get to use them. What you're suggesting is that a mother

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who's at the park with her kids beating them Cheezits has to have a security deposit to use the pavilion, which is ridiculous. >> Okay. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. >> Uh, anyone else in the audience like to speak on this? Yes. Theresa Mayhot.

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>> Teresa Melhot 2924 KBY Circle, St. Cloud, Florida 34769. I agree because I have gone out there on the spur of the moment with my grandkids, packed a few sandwiches, and we're not allowed to use a pavilion then

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that my taxpayer money is paying for anyway. We have to pay a big security deposit. And I just want to say $50 to some people might be nothing, but it could be a lot for some other people.

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Um, so we can't judge everybody by how much money you think they make or don't make. So don't outpric families or older people, grandparents that want to bring their ca grandkids to

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the park. I mean, we should be able to not have to sit in the dirt when there's an empty pavilion. So what you going to have the police come throw out a grandma and her couple grandkids? Is that what you all plan on doing then? because that's what it sounds like to me and I

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uh it just not good. >> Deputy mayor, you have a comment. >> Uh yeah, there there was >> there was there was an incident that came up that uh there was jet skiers uh renting jet skis via online and and they

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go from all over Central Florida and other cities started charging jet skis to participate. Well, we didn't. So, people from Winter Garden and Winter Park and Winter came over to our place and they rented jet skis for free. They used our pavilions for free. They

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trashed our place for free. They did all that for free and and because we other cities like Diver and all that charged for those services, but we didn't. So the folks rented jet skis on on our lake and they didn't pay anything and they

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came and they took the pavilions and they trashed them and they did their thing. How do you please I'm sorry I don't want to ask questions but council how do we look at that to make sure that our our taxpayers aren't paying for folks that come outside to make

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additional dollars and use our pavilions without paying any fees. I don't mind the citizens of St. Cloud using anything because they're citizens and they're they're taxpayers. We've known through through the years that people from different cities and different counties

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come and use our facilities because we do not charge and other facilities charge. I don't know how to how to work on that uh uh council. I'm asking for the pleasure of council to to figure that out. But I don't want grandma to have to pay X amount of dollars. So, but

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there are people that seek these freebies and and abuse them that are not our taxpayer dollars, but our taxpayers are paying for the the maintenance and the cleanup of that. I I don't have that answer. I ask for the pleasure of council to look at that. Uh I don't want grandma paying 20 bucks to sit on the

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bench. So, I I yield back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You can come up, Jim. It's still open for public comment. >> It's called littering and it's enforcable. And if somebody litters, there's somebody there to give them a ticket. And then that becomes the enforcement mechanism to solve the

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problem. >> Who's there? >> Oh, can you get give me your name and address? >> Oh, Jim Gail, 2970 Tali Hotel Trail. And I've got something to share with you. >> Brought flowers. >> Yes, I did. I brought some food for people. So, I'll share more about that soon. >> Who checks the littering? Who do we pay to check the littering? >> Well, I noticed that there's some

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officers there sometimes people there. >> Well, observation. There's already a law against littering, right? >> No, wait a second. You're so You tell me the chief's going to tell us cops to charge people for littering. >> Well, there's already a law about it, isn't there? >> Yeah. And

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>> there's a law about killing people, too, but I rather the police take care of that versus the litter. >> I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have for a scheduled event to have some. >> Y chief. >> Sorry. >> Thank you, Jim. >> Doug Gerky, police chief. I And I appreciate everyone's comments. I think

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what we're dealing with is we have these these takeovers of these pavilions that were having significant challenges. Um and it it's causing significant challenges for officers to come out even on their days off and they're getting overtime to come out to address these things. Um someone does have a reservation and then people don't want

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to leave and when they do leave they are leaving a significant mess and you are correct sir we can issue citations for littering. We just have to be there to do it to be honest with you. the calls for service that we are going to right now um keep us very very busy in the city to ensure that our community stays safe. Um one crime is one crime too many

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um to be honest with you. So um even a littering offense is something we will certainly take care of, sir. I without a doubt. Um but I I think it it's a general tone that we're actually dealing with is a significant challenge of people just basically taking over the pavilions um and and just basically monopolizing them. So it's a very

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difficult decision to try to work through, but I just want to make sure I put some clarity on this too. This is not to I don't believe it's try to charge everybody. Just have to figure out a solution because police officers can't always be down at the lakefront to always find someone dropping something on the ground, but we certainly need to understand how we're going to control

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the movements in and out of these pavilions. I think that's one of the bigger challenges. And again, you've experienced it. You've gone out and you've seen it. Um we've had people that have actually pulled some permits and they said there's 150 people there. then we have 400 people in there and we have to actually call in additional police officers um to come and actually assist

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out in Chisum Park at what's going on. So, it's just it's a challenge right now. That's all. We're just trying to work through the challenge with you. So, just to give you more clarity, >> Council Member Urban, ju >> just to clarify, this this fee is for the pavilion rental, right? If you're there with your kids playing in the park and you want to sit down and have some

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shade and drink some water, you don't have to pay the fee, right? This is for like a scheduled This is for a rental that that um that's what So if >> yes uh city attorney >> well under the discussion earlier the

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deputy city manager asked specifically the question if there are people in the pavilions without having not reserved it would we want them to move to tell them to move out so that's where this this discussion as I recall came

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>> this was going to be on the agenda on on the workshop agenda as well, right? And of course that was cancelled. Um, obviously this is a long meeting. It's going to be a long meeting. Um, I see what you're saying and I understand what Miss Melhot said and I understand what everybody else is thinking. You know, if

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you go out there, why can't you sit in a pavilion that your tax dollars paid for, right? Um, but I understand also that our police officers should not be being the hall monitor out there w with the trash and the, you know, making sure

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people are leaving on time or >> deputy city manager. >> Uh, what I was going to mention is that one possible option to consider uh that some places do is they do have a maximum number before a permit would be

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required. So, um, you know, the council could discuss that if it's, you know, more than five, if there's more than 10, something of that nature, then at that point that would trigger a rental to be there. Um, I think that would address some of the the concerns that council

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members are having. Just an option that wanted to throw out there um that that may address some of these concerns. >> Okay. And I know that there's there's a group there's a homechool group. We've talked about this group. um they go out there throughout the week when there's

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nobody using the pavilions. >> Um and I've spoken with them with a handful of them and they said that they make sure and leave it better than when they showed up. Um those are not the intended targets here. Obviously, it's the people who who litter or our police

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officers are having to go out there and pick up the trash or their unruly bunch, but not a bunch of 12 year olds or 10 year olds that are out there learning. Um, and that's I don't think that's who we want this to affect, but I think that should be um maybe a separate

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conversation with that organization or that group. I think we can work on some kind of an idea for that and not fall under this. Is that correct? We can >> um I mean we can certainly do whatever the the council directs. I think, you know, just to throw it out there again,

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another option would be to make it where that policy would be for weekends and holidays only. Um, that's another option that that is our as as you heard um sergeant discussing and and our parks and recreation director discussing, those are the busiest times. Those are

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when we generally have the problems. Uh we do certainly not going to say that we don't have it uh on a random Tuesday in October. Uh which is possible, but the the majority of the issues that we run into are on the weekends and holidays.

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That would eliminate any possible conflicts with homeschool groups or or some of those other ones where you're not wanting to catch them. Um I might even suggest doing that maybe on a trial basis to to test it out. You know, maybe we try it for a year, bring it back. Um

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just you just trying to throw out some suggestions here. >> All right, Council Member Fletcher. >> Um so, you know, I agree with the lady's comments. You know, when I was young, you know, that's kind of where, you know, my parents took us because it was an inexpensive way to celebrate a birthday um and so forth. And then to

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the gentleman in the front row's point, um I don't remember off the top of my head, not to put the chief on the spot, but I mean, our calls for service in a year are number of calls for service are what a lot. >> Chief You can come up to the baby podium if

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you want. [laughter] >> I was going to go to that baby podium, but I'm not sure it's working. Um, no, I it's it's not a lot, but um I I but again, I can only imagine I know Chisum is very busy and that's where a lot of the pavilions are and um I I don't even believe Sergeant Lawson logs every

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single call um that he has to deal with. Uh most of the time he just sees it. He goes out as the caretaker for the park and handles it. Um, but I can honestly I'd rather see if he wants to speak on this, but >> most of the time he's the one dealing with the people on the pavilions along Lake Shore. I can't say that we have a

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ton of calls for service there, but um, if this is something that we're going to implement, I can assure that we'll most likely get very busy, I would think. And >> to to correct um, when I meant calls for service, engaging with with different situations or, you know, if you're stopping and talking with somebody, you're doing all this stuff. I'm not saying we have a lot of, you know,

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calling for help or anything. It's just >> I'm sorry. Yes, we have a lot of interactions on the lakefront. Of course. I apologize, but most of the time it's all friendly. >> For sure. >> So, yes. But I'm sorry. I thought you were asking the other. I apologize. >> Thank you. >> Uh, Council Member Paul. >> Sorry about that. >> Um, I wanted to add Sergeant Lawson. >> Sergeant Lawson? Oh, you're not good.

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[laughter] >> So, compare Monday through Friday and then the weekends, which is the busiest? >> I would say Friday through Sat or Sunday are very, very busy. So, if we we implemented a security deposit for the

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weekends, would that help you out as far as with holding the resident responsible for clean up so you're not having to do that with >> along with uh holidays too because they

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fall on weekdays as well? >> We're I'm sorry, council member. We we already have the security deposit. I I just want to make sure. Are we talking about the rentals or ju just to clarify are are we

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talking about making sure that on weekends and holidays that we require rental? >> Yes. >> Okay. You I just wanted to clarify make sure we were >> the rentals. Yes. On the weekends. >> All right. Council member Fletcher. >> I would just say I I would just say I

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think we should do it on the weekends kind of like being discussed on a on a not temporary basis but bring it back to us in three months. give us an update at the end of the council meeting. Is it working? Is it not working? We can make adjustments and then maybe we can have uh you know, Lawson come back and say, "All right, well, this has been better

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or we need to make changes." >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> uh Chief, you you're you're wellrounded in in Central Florida. You worked at many agencies and you've done many uh uh uh areas there. Uh, have you noticed uptake in takeovers of of vacation

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rental properties and in in places where people gather and meet and just be destructive? >> Um, is this >> it's on. >> Okay, it's on. I just have to get closer to the mic. Sorry. Uh, [snorts] so we've um at some of the pavilions, I

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think I I know we can attest that we've had some people renting out the pavilions um and and they they misunderstood or misstated their numbers to be honest with you. And we had significantly more numbers where we did have to pull people from the road, PE, police officers that are on the road patrolling to go over and actually

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address the the issues that we were having there, which is significantly large crowds, parking issues. Um, it was a full-blown party if I if I remember correctly. Uh, I think it was they anticipated 150 people and I think we were counting 350 or is that about right

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about 350 um participants that were there. So we physic we had to bring in additional staff and actually and that that sparked a lot of conversations that we tried to figure this out. We have to have a better understanding of what's happening. >> Okay. So so that's what I was trying to get at is the takeovers [clears throat] of these great facilities that our

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citizens should have accessibility. There are there are things now that are called takeovers and they call everybody and they all show up at one place and they overwhelm our police department, our public safety, our and I'm trying to work on uh looking ahead versus saying,

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"Oh, now it's happening in St. Cloud. We have to do it." So, I I don't know. I'm trying to protect the citizens and and and the police in St. Cloud of making rules and regulations that they have to follow so they don't say, "Hey, that's our next spot." Because it's an easy spot. >> Yes. is that's that that's what I'm

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looking at. And and I I know $50 or whatever. I I don't mind people sitting on benches, but when 300 people come and take over a facility, then it it burdens our it burdens our taxpayers to pay the dollars that our police have to enforce that and doing

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the regular jobs. Am I wrong with that? Do you No, sir. Tell me. >> No. So perhaps maybe we should re-evaluate the numbers that u the deputy city manager actually spoke to. maybe more than 10 people, but maybe put a QR code there or something that if it starts to get out of control, hey, you don't have this registered. You need to scan this and actually get this going so

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at least you can reserve this. But, um, I think there's some unintended consequences in a catch. We're going to catch people in that we don't want to enforce if they're sitting there with their family and they're not doing anything. We certainly don't need the park ranger walking up to them and questioning them and saying, "What are you doing here? And do you have a permit?"

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So, it's probably easier if we can try to digest this a little bit better and kind of figure out a a path forward to try to figure that out. But you're right, the the the juvenile the takeovers are happening. They're just >> they're not happening here. I can tell you that. And it won't be tolerated either. >> I and I want to I want to make efforts

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that they don't happen in advance. I don't want to, as Miss Melhoud said, to to grandmother or kids. I'm looking at the takeovers in the future. So, I'm looking for the future. I'm not looking for the hanging out of the people in city of St. Uh, but I see a trend coming here, uh, uh, Chief. Yes, sir. And I

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want to make sure that we have our our ducks in a row so it doesn't overburden our our police force in our city as the safest city in in city in the state of of Florida. So, that's what I was looking at. I wasn't looking at grandma coming and sitting with her kids on the things that that that

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is not the intention at all. It's it's it's making sure that they know that they can't come and take over our city of St. Cloud. So, and it is happening. I I see it. It is. And we talk about that broad brush unfortunately hits us all though and we do a big big sweep of a brush. We're going to hit everybody. So

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obviously that's um that's clearly not the intent of what we're trying to do. And um if if we do have those juvenile takeovers, we would deal with them very swiftly. >> Yeah. And I just want to be proactive versus [clears throat] reactive and and that's why I'm saying how we how we adjust our accordingly. And and Sergeant

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Lawson over there does a great job at Chism Park, but I don't definitely never want to overwhelm him or any of the police department because we're great. So, I must mistook, but it's not grandma and her two kids sitting at the pavilion. It's 150 folks coming here and taking over the park. >> I I yield back to you, mayor.

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>> Yeah. And this this is simpler similar to the, you know, the sleeping or the camping outside, right? If I'm [clears throat] out there taking a nap underneath a tree, which, you know, you know, I don't think I'd be down in the lakefront with my eyes closed, but um >> you shouldn't you shouldn't be arrested

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for that, right? But, you know, it shouldn't be a crime. Um, but I it's the unintended consequences, you know, of having these kind of rules. And obviously, it's it's going to catch some people that we don't want to catch. So, we want to find a way to to to do this without affecting the the uh

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unintentional Council Member Paul. >> So, can we just do it for the next three months, try it out, and on the weekends and holidays and ask Sergeant Lawson to come back to us and say, "Hey, it's working. It's if it's not working, then we know where to go from there.

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>> Council member Urban. >> Yeah, I was just gonna clarify too about the if um that scenario that happened where they said 150 people and 300 people showed up, that event organizer should be fined and maybe even face criminal charges if that happens. Again, I don't know if we have the ability to

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do that, but if that happens, they need to be they need to be held accountable. Um but I just want to make sure for the weekends that includes Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. and holidays. >> So, so our chief needs to be like Mike Czechwood out there, you know, saying there will be no takeover here.

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>> The event organizer should >> I don't wear the short shorts like he does, but it's all [laughter] right. I'll >> I wouldn't wear those, but >> he's a good friend. Yes. >> Now, are we leaving this? I'm sorry. I apologize for more clarification for us. Is this at a ChiSM park so we have a test

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>> location so we can work on it to to try it out for the three months to watch it? >> Yes. >> A chism only for now. Just there now. Okay. >> Okay. And it'll take us a little while because we're going to need to get signage out there um to make sure that that people understand that. We can certainly work with communications to

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get this information out there um in advance. Uh may take a few weeks, you know, two weeks or so to get the signage up there. Um and just so we have some clarification um and and consensus. So, what I'm hearing is Friday through

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through Sunday and holidays, you are required to have a reservation to utilize a pavilion regardless of the number of people that are out there. >> I'd say more than five people. Is that a reasonable? So that what we're saying is

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>> every weekend, every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, a pavilion has to be reserved in order to be underneath it. >> Yes. >> Just the weekends and holidays. And this is only at Chisum just to try it out and see.

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>> So you want to report back in >> three months? Three months? Yes. You said five people. >> I mean, what do you think it is that? >> Yeah. And that I think that's the the the people I don't want to hit with this are just people going out there and want to have a lunch. You know, if they're

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they happen to be out there playing ball on the field and want to go over and sit down in the shade and you know, if it's a family of say 10 people, >> do you want to max it at 10? Do you think that's >> okay?

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Okay. Anyone anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? >> This is where we need all the input. >> I just had a couple of questions. Monica Lee 301 Minnesota. You're good. Monica >> 301 Minnesota Avenue St. Cloud. You said

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um Deputy Mayor Gilbert, how would we sum give someone a summon for littering? You don't know if it was them or not, right? But how would you find someone for making a leaving a mess behind? So, if I had a party, I cleaned it up immaculately. Nobody I I left it a

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little bit early. Somebody shows up and they decide to make a huge mess. Now, I have to pay the fine. H how do we how do we know who to charge and who made the mess? >> Well, again, you're getting into semantics right now. Uh how when you

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leave when you when you occupy a facility for a certain period of time, you're responsible for that facility for a certain period of time. If you leave early, you're responsible for that facility for that certain period of time. >> Correct. >> So, what what >> if I left What if it was over at three o'clock and I left at three o'clock?

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Somebody comes at 3:05 cuz the cops weren't there to check to see if I did it good. They made a mess. >> You're good. >> But they showed up at 3:05. Now there's a mess. >> Who's they? >> Whoever. >> Exactly. >> Someone showed up. >> You're getting you're getting in into a semantics about whatifs. If you say, "I

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was there till three and I left at three. Here, here's my thing. There's there's AI, there's everything. We we left it clean. I took a picture at three. Bye-bye. >> So, you would be able to do that the same thing with the summons for littering then as well. >> Would you shouldn't you? I mean, we have

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so much technology here. If you're cleaning up the crib at at 3:00 and you're leaving and somebody leaves at 3:05 and they said, "It's your littering." Said, "No, you're I took a picture at 3. It's done." That's what technology does, right? It's it's really cool. That's what technology does. I can answer.

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>> And then technology could also be able to help assist the police to issue assumments for littering. Then at the same token, >> I'm going to leave that up to the police. I I littering is is probably least in my uh uh thought of what the police department should do. But you can

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say, "Hey, click. It's clean. I'm out of here." >> Yeah. And this is going to be a trial run. So, let's I guess in the first three months, let's see how this plays out. >> And I can address that that situation very very quickly. uh deputy mayor um our staff that's out there if a pavilion

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is rented they're already going out at the end so they're already plus the park rangers especially out at Chisum are easily able to verify that they're already out there >> well explain explain that to to to our citiz >> you do have a motion on the floor

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>> for all the St. Cloud City Parks. >> This is just for Chisum that we're talking about this right now. >> Okay. The other question that I had is, do you have additional charges for non-residents? Because there's many times that I go out to the park and I'm picking up dirty diapers at Lakeshore Boulevard, you know, out there and

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messes that are made from from people that just come because our park is free. It's beautiful and everybody likes to enjoy it. So, we have a lot of non-residents that overpop populate the park and they make it very hard for those of us who are residents to utilize it. >> Are you asking me if I >> I'm asking everyone. Okay. Anyone who

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has any answer because I tried to do a dual uh fee for uh St. Cloud residents and and non-scloud residents for all of our parks for all of our uh for the uh baseball league for all of our leagues because the citizens of St. Cloud pay for the baseball fields. But Asawa

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County has 67% of the players that play in Little League and the county said no you cannot do that. >> So so so I although I wanted to do that, it it got shut down. So I I hear you loud and clear, but I wasn't able to do that because I I felt that the people in

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the little league that didn't live in St. Cloud should pay more because our taxpayers paid more for the little league and the county told me I could not do that. So yes, I tried it. It did not work. Please believe me. If you want to come along with me and try to talk to the county about it, I will. But that

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was one of the first things I did over uh three and a half years ago and I got shut down. And to answer your question, there are different fees for residents and non-residents who rent facilities. >> Yes, >> but further clarification, the non-resident rate is outside of Ocola County. >> That's correct.

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>> Through this proposed resolution, we are equalizing the price of St. Cloud residents with all of Oyola County residents. The only people paying the non-resident rate are those outside of Ocola County. >> Correct. >> Thank you,

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>> Council Member Paul. I think there was one more. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak? >> I'm also short. [laughter] Um, Haley Rebels, 5186 Black Cedric Court. I am the homeschool group that you re uh referenced earlier and I'll come up and

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speak about that later, but I wanted to offer a proposal to the discussion that our group is all about giving back to the community and leaving things absolutely better than we found them. So, if we could come together with some kind of group similar to Hopkins Park to where we are like the stewards and come in and pick up and volunteer our time to

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do that, I just want to enter that into the discussion as well. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? >> City attorney. >> Yeah. I just want to clarify. So, we have a motion already on the table that

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would be to increase all the deposits related to the pavilion to twice the rental rate. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. >> Well, that's what I wanted to clarify. >> Yeah, and that's I think we want to amend some of that language, right? >> Friday. >> Friday, Saturday, and Sunday,

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>> but up to 10 people. I no I I think we're getting confused on what the rental is versus the >> I mean it's staff's recommendation if you want to increase the rental for the units anybody that rents the unit whether they rent it at any day wherever it is that they would they pay a deposit

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and that the deposit would be based on what the council just said the double amount of the rental rate. The other issue regarding the requirement to rent a pavilion other than the 200 person pavilion, basically use it on a first come, first- serve basis if it's not

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being used by under a permit. That would be the program you'd look at only apply on weekends and holidays and we'd look at in another 90 days. >> Okay. So there is a pavilion available where a citizen and their family could just go and sit down and eat and not be

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charged or >> not on a Friday through Sunday based on what >> Monday through Friday Monday through Friday they can do that. >> Correct. As long as it's not someone who's >> Monday through Thursday. Yes, >> correct. As long as it's someone who's not operating a commercial business

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for-profit business. >> Right. So that would be the trial point to put that in place to apply month Friday, Saturday and Sunday >> and holidays. >> How many pavilions do we have out there >> at Chisum? >> Just at Chisum. >> Three, right? >> Nine.

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>> 10. >> Nine. >> Nine >> total. I know. >> So, >> but only one very large 200 capacity one. >> So, we're only talking about the 200 one. No.

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>> Yeah. And that's where I get a little heartburn with that. If somebody's out there and they just even on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, if nobody's using it and they just want to sit down and eat, >> that's where we're running into the problems. >> Yeah. >> Is instead of it being just somebody sitting down to eat, it's a big group

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that's showing up and causing trash or damage or additional people that are out there. What are your thoughts? >> So that's why I said more than 10. If it's more than 10, then it's then it's a party.

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>> Okay. >> 10 or less, they don't need a permit. Is that what we're saying? Is that okay? >> Monday through Thursday. >> No. All the way through, right? >> Yeah. Even on the weekends, right? Is that >> If it's less than 10, yes. If it's more

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than 10, yes, they need to rent it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. and we expect them to be good stewards of of the the area and the park and >> but keep in mind this is only just a trial for three months to see how it's going to work. It's nothing permanent. >> And I did want to point out still that

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the the no commercial businesses is still >> that's separate from this. >> That's separate. Um >> yeah, obviously we don't want anybody advertising a business out there or exchange of money. Um, and I understand there's some the homeschool groups

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during the week, but that that's a topic for another day. Obviously, that is not applied to this. >> Um, so let's go ahead and restate that motion. City attorney, you had some of the language. >> Well, the only formal motion was to double basically provide that the

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deposits for the pavilions would be twice the rental rate, right? That was the motion. We talked about a trial program which would apply Friday, Saturday, and Sunday where groups more than 10 would have to rent any of the

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pavilions. I'm assuming anywhere in the city. >> We were focusing on Chisum Park for right now. Just clarify just Chism Park. >> Three months, right? >> Yes. >> All right. Would you like to make that motion again? [laughter] >> You can just say so move. >> So move. >> Second. All right. We have a motion from Council Member Paul, second from Council

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Member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role? Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 5 Z. >> All right. We're going to take a fivem minute break.

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>> So do and call this meeting back to order. >> All right, we are still on the consent agenda and it is only 8:45. Thank you to everybody that's hanging in there tonight.

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some glasses to read what I'm doing. All right, we're going to go back to the consent agenda and that was we've already voted on consent agenda number item two. Uh anyone on the council like to pull any other item on the consent agenda? >> Mayor, if I would would like to pull uh

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a consent agenda number three because it coincides with what we talked about earlier. >> Yes, sir. All right. Uh, Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> would you like to speak on that? >> Yeah. Uh, as we spoke of earlier, the building of the uh of the facility, but

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the resolution for the agreement between the uh license agreement between City St. Cloud and and Boys and Girls Club, I'd like to pull that from the agenda to a later time. So it it uh adds up to uh the first eight months of the six months

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that we push back the the building of of the facilities, sir. >> Okay. So you want to move the award of that project? You said six months. >> Uh I want it to coincide with with the other I don't know. Did we vote on it uh

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mayor for six or eight months? I I know Miss Paul said six months and I didn't know what we went with that. Council member Urban, >> I I w with respect, I I just want to say uh since the money's already bonded and and being in the construction industry,

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I know 6 to 8 months from now, the construction cost, who knows where they're going to be. Could be double, could be triple, I I don't think it would be beneficial to the city to put this off if we're going to build it anyways. But that would be my only counterpoint. But uh that's I'll

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yield back to you. >> Uh Council Member Fletcher. >> Um I would be in favor of it um moving forward, >> Council Member Paul. >> In favor of moving forward. >> Okay. And it's full plans because I know

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you had spoken about possibly downsizing or looking at the plans again. What are your moving forward as is? I get um I mean if it's already bonded and I mean we just move forward with it.

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[clears throat] I don't know if we at this point can look at the plans again to maybe downsize. I don't know. >> City manager. >> I can point out that um of the $10 million contract, the building is 6 million.

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>> Okay. And this contract is for the entire [clears throat] project, >> right? >> Yes, sir. >> Outside, inside fields, >> the building >> and um I'm sorry if I may. So,

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if the city had moved forward with Boys and Girls Club this evening, we were going to do a change order to remove portions of this. um we would no longer need the security cameras for instance. Um so that so it is potentially tied to

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whatever use is is in there uh because there was going to be a potential savings in the construction costs. >> Okay. >> Did you make a motion, Deputy Mayor Gilbert? >> I did not. >> Okay. Nor am I going to. >> That's fine. Um,

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would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Yes, sir. [clears throat] My name is Alex Rodriguez, 2517 Bull Rush Drive, and I wrote out something that I wanted to share with you guys. A lot of things may have changed. A lot of

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questions may have changed because you all have answered a lot and you motioned to push it back six, eight months, whatever the case may have been. Um, so I'll start with this. Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Alex Rodriguez. I want to say upfront, I'm in

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support of investment in our youth. I appreciate the mission of the Boys and Girls Club. My questions are about accountability, transparency, and protecting taxpayer dollar. The city is investing over $10 million to construct Hopkins Park Community Center with a

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total project around 13.7 and a proposed 50-year agreement. I'd appreciate clarification on financials which have already been done, right? We we we have a bond. We have uh debt that we acquired already. So, with that

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question being done, and I know they're using fire and police impact, and I don't know if our financial um uh director may answer this, can that be offset to the complex? That is an option, right, that you guys will still

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have to vote on. Can even that bond that we already acquired be used for the complex? If you guys vote yes on that. Um alongside that measurable performance standards will will they be required each year for the Boys and Girls Club

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and annual reports and outcomes to present uh present publicly if standards are met. What enforcements or terminations options [snorts] does the city have? I know I read it was about 190 days for termination. Uh but what

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other options do they have? If so, and will the facility be available for public to rent? If so, who receives the revenue, the city or the organization? And how does the offset to the public investment? Why a 50-year term instead

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of a shorter with schedule reviews? I support investing in our kids, and I just believe that when the public puts it in in this kind of money, we deserve clear answers and measurable results. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. Yeah, that

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agreement is not regarding this item number, but the park is. Um, Council Member Paul. >> No, that's it. You're good. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> You're good. Uh, Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Did I Sorry.

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>> Um, I I think there's still a lot of questions here. Um, especially to see what we're going to downsize. I would like to just move this um to the next council meeting so I can get some more information on the scope of this project. Maybe we could phase it out and

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do the outside first. Um what are y'all's thoughts on that? I'm not saying no, let's not do it. I'm saying, [clears throat] you know, with everything that's been said here tonight and with the if we go full board and we have to build

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this and the property tax reform does pass, then we do have to do an agreement with an outside entity or we close the doors of the facility. We can't afford $300,000 a year to operate this thing if we build it. So, I don't if we pull the

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trigger on this now, then we're essentially saying we know it's going to that that we are going to do an agreement with an outside entity. And I'm not saying that we're not. I'm just saying that we're already making up that making that decision.

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So, I I just think we need we need to gather more some more information. Maybe we could have some other ideas with staff and kick uh city manager. >> Sorry, I think I didn't want to interrupt your thought process. I I just wanted to add some additional information just so council was clear. I

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I I did approve the PO earlier this week for the trailer that was going to be used for the summer camp um in anticipation of the construction because it's part of the approved project that city council had already approved. So I I just wanted to to I think we're I think it's a lease and I think we may be

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tied in at this point. We could try to get out of it. What do you say the the trailer for the summer camp? >> Because the the site was going to be under construction. The building was going to be demolished. We >> summer camp, >> not summer camp, I'm sorry, after school program. For the after school program, we were renting a trailer for the after

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school program. >> We're going to have those kids in a trailer. >> All right. I mean, I I don't think that that should be the determining factor whether we spend $13 million right now just because there's a trailer sitting out there. I mean, I just think that that's but I don't think it it hurts waiting 30 days till our next council

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meeting to make a decision either. >> Any thoughts? >> I will make a motion to continue it. >> All right, we have a motion from council member Paul to continue it to the next council meeting. >> Yes. >> Motion from council member Paul.

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>> I'll go ahead and second that motion. Will the clerk please call roll? Council member Fletcher, >> no. >> Council member Paul, >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I.

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>> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 41. >> All right. All right. Rest of the consent agenda. Can we get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member >> second. [laughter] >> Council member Fletcher, will you?

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>> No. No. No. I don't even know why I did that. [laughter] All right, we have a motion from Council Member Urban, second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Will the clerk please call the RO? I'm sorry. Did Let me I want to ask again because I don't know if we did it an hour and a half ago. Did I ask for

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public comment? Anyone in the audience like to speak on any other item on the consent agenda? >> Yes, sir. >> This is on the consent agenda. at number nine. >> Number nine. Yes, sir.

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>> Okay. It's um Richard Collins. I'm at 2080 Emperor Drive. Yes, sir. >> CMI being annexed in to St. Cloud. Okay. Happy to meet all of you. Mayor, [laughter] >> city mayor, city manager and council.

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Um, everyone in our community is a little up in arms and I'll explain why um, very very quickly.

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We received notices that our street lights are going to be turned off October 1st. Okay. So, the safety and well-being of everybody and all of the elderly that's

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in there now is going to be at risk. Okay. The information that we were sent out originally did not have cane break on it

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with its expenditures. It included three other developments. So you have someone like me that's going on 64 years old. I'm going through my mail.

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I'm with CMI. I have something that comes in from St. cloud that says, "Oh, these other four areas and developments and there's going to be these costs." Well, that doesn't pertain to me. It's

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just garbage mail. It went into the garbage. And that's basically what 90% of the people in my development did. They did not send this survey that they received

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back to the city of St. Cloud. And this survey was for our street lights to be kept on. There's a 20 foot uh easement that's by

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Neptune Road to be mowed. And I believe the pond is being made maintained by uh Tojo anyway. But [clears throat] [snorts]

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these areas were not addressed. We were never given any cost until you dig deep. For the last 30ome years, we've had a line item called Cane Break and it was

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$191 basically and that included the mowing and the street lights. Now, we have a letter from

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the city of St. cloud stating that our street lights and landscape buffer alongside Neptune Road is going to cost each homeowner $91.34. Ah, not a bad idea, right? Because City

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of St. Cloud got a better deal. Uh, congratulations. Um the one thing that's uh troubling about this is along with these notices it's stating

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that if not 50% of the community approves this that the recommendations is to form an HOA which we are not an HOA that's what the people that live in

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that development want is they do not want an HOA or hire someone else to take care of the services so that they have an address to mail the bills. Someone's going to

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have to write the checks and someone's going to have to collect the money from all the residents and you know that person's going to have to be paid. So there's another expense. So basically, it's basically an HOA without documents.

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So some of the concerned citizens in the neighborhood went around house by house to speak to whoever was there. If it was

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uh 2 o'clock in the afternoon and they weren't home yet, >> you give it to the clerk, please, if you'd like to give that up. Are you going to provide that for the record? Yeah. All right. >> 61%. >> Oh, you got you got to wait till you get back to the microphone. You can hand it, but when you keep talking, you got to

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get back to the mic. >> 61% of the homes approved this. Now, it was with the help of Kevin that we were able to get this done because we had to take and get it

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revised to just include cane break. All we have is two things, street lights and a 20 foot easement off of Neptune Road. That's it. We don't

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have entrances. We don't have pools. We don't have community centers. We don't have anything. >> Mhm. >> That's it. So Kevin got us the uh information to put on the survey and we

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went door to door and the people said yes because that they understood. Okay. I I don't know if this has already been discussed and agreed upon, but >> we haven't done that yet. We're voting

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on tonight. >> Well, not exactly. >> What's that? >> You're not final. There's no final vote being taken on this tonight. >> Okay. >> But um the one thing that I have now as a future resident of St. cloud is I I'm

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going to just make it kind of clear that as a resident there for 35 years and to receive a notice that my street lights are going to be turned off as of October 1st 26.

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>> Hold on one second sir. Did you say we've already worked up because you got the votes from your assoc or from your community saying this is the route they want to go. I have 61% of the community. >> Okay. So, I think >> some of them are rentals and some of them weren't home when we were there.

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>> All right. So, what's the problem now? Is there a problem now or is that using like the letter from back then? >> Well, this is a letter that's back then that this is a letter that's from St. Cloud. >> Okay. >> And it's stating October 1st. So, this is in the future.

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>> Okay. I >> I don't I >> I'll let the city attorney speak to this real quick here, Richard. Well, again, this is the special assessment process. This is the first step of the special assessment process. [clears throat] The city under its code has an ability

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to put a special assessment in place to be able to do this. What the city has done historically as essentially courtesy to the individuals that are typically involved in them. They pulled them or surveyed them to say, "Hey, do you want this uh to do that?" Because typically prior councils have said, "We don't want to go through this whole

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process, have staff do this unless we know that the people that are going to be impacted by this are okay with having a special assessment because again, these are assessments that only apply to this gentleman's subdivision. Right? So that first step, those letters were all

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part of the circumstances that because of the transition with the annexation and what and how the county eliminated the MSTU, which they were previously be paying on it. Unfortunately, the situation was that if these assessments weren't in place, then the city, the

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rest of the city taxpayers would be having to pay for their street lights or the street lights would have to be shut off. But again, this is the first step. on August 20th, it'll come back if the council approves this resolution and then that'll be when the final action will be taking place.

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>> So, what you're saying, if we pass this and we pass the next one, their street lights won't be cut off October 1st. >> That's correct. >> Okay, >> that's correct. >> So, you are actually speaking in favor of this? >> Yes, I am. >> So, you're I'm I am in favor of it. Um,

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I'm letting the council know that we went around and we're trying to do good and explain to our neighbors because when we spoke with our neighbors, they did not understand what they received. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. And once Kevin revised it to where it only included Cane Break, they were all for it. And they do not want an HOA in this area. >> Yeah. And this process is new to us, too. Obviously, this with the annexing

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of that area, this is the first time we've had to do something like this. >> And quite frankly, myself, um, I was a little displeased with how our annexation went because, uh, I went from

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a $9 water bill now to $102 water bill. And these are people that are almost all living on social security. And the reason for this is somewhere along the line,

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someone dropped the ball between the county and the city of St. Cloud because none of these advalorum fees were on [clears throat] last year's taxes. So now we have to play catchup.

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>> Mhm. >> And instead of putting a one-time advorum fee on the taxes, okay, to make up for whatever happened. Now this is on the water bills

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and also the garbage and the storm water. >> Okay. >> And it's not only a one-time fee. >> I'm going to ask for clarification on that, Richard, from our city manager. Do you understand what he's referring to? >> I think he's talking about the the city bills are city services on the Tohjo

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water bill and I think I had notified the council that there was an error when they were annexed. Toho did test the system. It did work in the test but when they implemented the bills for some reason solid waste didn't show up. So they did have to go back and back

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billill those people. So >> okay. So they weren't charged. It's not like they were charged more. they were just not charged and then charged correct. >> So, >> right. So, so the I guess my question is to the council is uh when we were

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annexed in from the from the county to the city of St. Cloud, all of the advorum taxes that were already in present there for the last 30 years, why did not they carry over?

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So [clears throat] >> when you when you were in the county, none of your taxes went to the city of St. Cloud. So for those 30-year period, the city got none none of your taxes. They all went to the county. >> That's what I'm saying. They >> But the county the county would the county would have had to give those

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taxes to the city and the county did not agree to do that. >> No. >> Yeah. No, we're on two wavelengths. Um because taxes are paid in the rears. Okay. So uh when we pay our taxes, our property

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tax, the ad valorum that's underneath there is not our property tax. Those are actually assessments that's placed on there like from the council. Why I am asking is [clears throat] not a why or anything. This is just

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letting you know that the citizens in that development and surrounding developments have been a little upset because when this annexation took place, this never carried through. You know, the storm water was on the taxes.

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>> All right. It seems like you know a lot about this situation. Um but I'd love for you to maybe meet with the city manager or some of her staff and talk about this further. Um can we get him a business card? Uh Scott, >> I haven't. >> You have Scott's or or any of theirs? Okay. >> We we we've we've met prior um and I

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I'll be happy to have actually our finance director talk with him outside. Might be might be >> Yeah, because we're kind of trailing off the actual item and we need to get moving on voting on the item itself. So, we appreciate you coming up here, Richard. Thank you very much. So, >> and our finance director is going to meet you outside. >> All right. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on any of the items on the

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consent agenda? >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. Yep. Motion approved. Council. >> Well, hang on. Mayor, >> we got another one. Come on up. >> Name and address for the record, please. >> Jonathan Folian, 2305 Emperor Drive, CM,

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Florida, 34744. Um, just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding what this resolution is about. This is about adding >> this number nine you're speaking. >> Yeah. Still number nine. Yeah. This is adding to our taxes for the Cambridge neighborhood. So, we do not have to have

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an HOA. That's correct. >> Just want to make sure that that is my understanding of what's going on. If that's the case, then I understand that we got to pay our bills. So, absolutely. I'm not a fan of taxes. I don't think anybody is, but you know, this is a way that the neighborhood wants to have it

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as the paperwork that we just filed shows. All right. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Thank you very much. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak on any item on the consent agenda? the same thing for the Keem break. Uh Steve Moore, 2320 Emperor Drive. When we

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got all annexed into the city, um it seems like it didn't really matter. When I spoke last time, it really didn't seem to matter that we're going to get annexed no matter what. Um, and you stuck us with this,

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um, having to figure out how we could go around the neighborhood and say, "We don't have an HOA." I'm saying to the next community that you do this to, don't do it to them what you did to us. Just annex us in and say, "Now you got

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to figure out what we're going to do with our community." spending our time trying to figure out how we're gonna get access to funds to pay our bills for [snorts] our community. That's what I just want to bring up that another community that

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you're going to go all the way to Harmony. You're going to have three or four or five other of these communities the same thing that you did to us. So, think about it before you go and annex them. Make sure you got all your ducks in a row so you don't make them feel bad like you did us.

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>> Yes, sir. Please go to OciOla County and ensure they don't do this to you again. Appreciate that, sir. That was uh they dissolved that district over there. That's why we had to do this. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item? >> Yep. Come on up.

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>> I'm sorry. It's the same. >> N just come on up. I need your name and address for the record, please, sir. For the folks watching, >> I'm Chris Thompson, 2313 Emperor Drive, Cassumi 34744. It's the same thing and I'm I'm just trying to understand what happened because we were annexed.

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Why weren't the advorum taxes still on the thing? >> City attorney. >> Okay. So, these are not ador taxes. Let's start with that. Okay. Okay. when when the county decided that you needed to have certain maintenance issues that

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are typically handled by homeowners associations, what's typically referred to as common areas, landscaping, street lighting, those kind of things, because your subdivision did not have a homeowners association. The best that we can understand is sometime in the past, the county created what's called an MSTU,

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municipal service taxing unit. What that is, that allows the county to basically annually assess you for the costs to do the work that homeowners associations typically do. And then you and then people that live in homeowners in subdivisions that have HOAs pay those as

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part of their homeowners association dues. So what the county did is they created an MSTU and for years you were paying very similar costs on your tax bill through through an MSTU. When the annexation happened in the city, the

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county frankly without notice to the city and contrary to an agreement we had terminated that MSTU and it really just frankly expected the city to take over these expenses. So when the mayor said earlier >> did you understand that when the mayor

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said earlier you should go talk to the count the county is that started this whole moving by not following an agreement that the city had at that time. Frankly, in my estimation, the city had one or two choices. We could fight with the county or we could determine a way to to allow these residents to essentially pay for their

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for their maintenance that as similarly to how they were doing it in the past. The city does not have an ability to create an MSTU. What we have is the ability to create a special assessment, which is what this process is. So, basically, it's replacing the MSTU that

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you had in the county for all those years with a special assessment. And this is the first step in it. So at the end of the day, you won't have to worry about paying the bills and the work will get done. >> It'll it'll be on the >> tax. Okay. That was what that was our big concern because when we met at

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Neptune Middle School, I [clears throat] asked the question, how is this going to affect our overall taxes because we are being told that we're paying it individually now? That's what we were told at Neptune that we're going to be build individually. I

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was at that I believe I was at >> and I asked I said how did that how come it's not still >> on our tax bill >> city manager >> and they were said well because it's different than taxes and I I understand it's different than taxes >> let me let city manager speak now >> so the original direction from the city council was that the council did not

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want us to become an HOA and and doing the billing we had the meeting with the residents and it was very clear that the residents wanted me to come back to the city council and ask you to please help with the special assessment process and and I came back. I told you about the meeting and it was a hard meeting. It

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was it was a very hard meeting. [laughter] Um but I I left with friends surprisingly after such a hard meeting. >> This was the second meeting. So I wasn't >> right. This was the second meeting. I came back spoke to the city council and and and said you know the residents they're asking for us to please consider

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doing a special assessment instead. City council agreed to do it if we got over 50%. The residents started working on it. We did get over 50% in the other subdivision cane break. We did not and and there there was the the doortodoor effort. I came back to the city council

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and said I understand they're they're just not getting 50% but you know they're asking for help. The city council I think at the time they might have been at 40% and you had said we'll work with with them and at the same time they came back and said that they had reached the 50%. So it was a win all the

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way around. Um, so I just want to point out it was it was actually a great lesson in showing how government works for the people, right? You guys gave direction, people spoke, we came back, council reconsidered, and now we're taking the steps to put it in place. Um,

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and and it was it was painful for everybody, but I'm I'm glad we're at this point. >> It was a learning curve. We've not gone through this before. So >> I just everybody's just concerned that it's going to be on the property. It gets paid once a year, basically. >> Yes, sir. >> Yep. >> All right. Thank you,

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>> Council Member Urban. >> They will receive [clears throat] another notice of another >> what that's and let just make sure the members of the community know you are going to be ma individually mailed a notice that's going to have the assessment in and on August 20th there'll be another hearing when the

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final assessment will be presented assuming you pass this resolution. >> All right. Oh, just wanted to welcome uh everyone in the Canreak community to the city of St. Cloud. Fun fact, I was actually born in Cane 35 almost 36 years ago and moved

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to St. Cloud proper when I was one and now it's part of the city of St. Cloud. So, I've lived in St. Cloud my whole life. [laughter] Okay. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on any item on the consent agenda? [clears throat] >> Casey, you want to talk anymore? Are you

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good? Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve from Council Member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. With the clerk, please call the RO. >> Council member Paul. >> I.

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>> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robinson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5-0. >> Man, who put this agenda together? >> All right. Next up, we have sorry citizens form. Any person who

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desires to comment on any item not on this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council. Each person is requested to complete a sign-in form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to or as soon as practical thereafter the person addresses the council.

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[snorts] Terresa Melhot. She went to bed. Nope, she's here. Oh, I love your shirt. >> Thank you. >> Teresa Milhot 2924, Kbury Circle, St. Cloud, Florida 34769.

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As a citizen, I just want to say that the 4th of July was amazing and you all knocked it out of the ballpark, but I also want to say I was down there on the 5th for the seafood, Main Street Seafood Bowl, and I couldn't find a piece of litter anywhere. and me and a few other

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people were talking about that that the parks and recck department I don't know what they did down there but they must have raked everything I mean seriously or got on their hands and knees they did a terrific job the city of >> Chief Gerky he stayed there all night picking a fresh

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>> city of St. Cloud did a terrific job and um the parks and wreck did. >> Yes, they did. >> So, I want to get that out of the way, but I also believe in if you did something wrong, you should apologize. And I made a post when I was emotionally

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worked up that cast maybe some questionable things that might have looked like I was casting espersions onto you, the city council. And I apologize for that, those that saw the post.

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>> Yes, ma'am. >> And um >> Thank you. >> I'm not perfect. I strive to be perfect, but Lord knows I fall down every day. just get back up. But anyway, um I do believe when you say something and then

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you have a chance to reflect on that, how it could hurt people. So, I just want to say I'm sorry. And it was on my personal page and then I kind of shared it around, but I was emotionally worked up thinking I was back with other city councils and um I wasn't anymore. So,

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um, trust and transparency >> and you all are doing a good job. >> Thank you, Teresa. We love you. Thank you very much. >> All right. Next up, we have Sorry, I can't read. Haley Rebels

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picked a fun meeting to come to tonight. So, thank you for your time and your patience and hearing everybody still. Um, I wrote something out so I wouldn't miss anything. So, good evening, Mayor Robinson and city council members. My name is Haley Rebels and I live at 5186 Fly Catcher Court. I'm a resident, an

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active duty military spouse, and a mother of two kiddos or doing great back there tonight. My spouse has more than 15 years of active duty service in the Air Force and the Space Force. I hold a master's degree in governmental and nonprofit accounting. And I want to mention those things because I want it

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to be clear that public service and contributing to something larger than ourselves is very deeply ingrained in our family's values. When military orders brought our family to Central Florida, we chose St. Cloud intentionally because of its smalltown feel and family centered environment.

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Those same values are what led me to help create a parentled homeschool co-op for local families. Homeschooling never really stops. So even tonight, our kids are here all night. They've been here watching and listening and learning. They're [clears throat] learning how local government works and how to speak up respectfully and how to advocate for

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something they believe in. Our co-op is a group of parents who come together to teach our kids, share knowledge, and more importantly build community. We focus on outdoor learning so our kids can get outside and spend more time moving and exploring rather than being behind screens all day. Families all

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jointly contribute financially toward curriculum, supplies, activities, field trips, and other experiences for our kids. We're simply just parents working together to give our kids an opportunity to learn together outdoors. Myself and some of our families are here tonight because we receive conflicting

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interpretations of ordinance 2026-26 passed at the June 11th meeting. Parks and Rec staff have told us that it applies to our group simply because families contribute financially that we cannot meet at any public location or any park in St. Cloud. Based on the

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ordin ordinance's intended purpose and the way our co-op actually operates, we respectfully disagree in asking for clarification. We do not use any city property as our business address, nor have we ever advertised it as such. We do not collect any money on site, put up signs, or prevent the public from using

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the space in any way. We're simply local families who gather at the park so our children can learn outdoors together. I want to be clear that we fully support protecting public spaces from large companies that use taxpayerf funed property to generate large profits. Public property should not be taken

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advantage of and I appreciate the city's responsibility and action in protecting it. But that is very clearly not what our families are doing. Our families are St. Cloud residents. We pay taxes that support these parks. As parents and the elected officials of our city, we both

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have a joint responsibility to work collaboratively to invest in our youth by giving them safe spaces to learn, spend time outdoors, and feel connected in their community. Our public spaces should be accessible to help make that investment possible. Like you spoke earlier, Mr. Gilbert, about making the

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investment in youth, we can do that for $0. My request tonight is simple. Please clarify whether this ordinance applies to our parentled co-op using public spaces to homeschool our kids together. If the council determines that it does not apply, I respectfully ask for

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clarification in writing so our families can move forward with confidence in planning our school year. Thank you for your public service, your stewardship, and consideration, and I'm open to any questions that you may have. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you, Haley. Um, yeah, we spoke on

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the phone obviously about your the homeschool group. I think I mean obviously I love that you have the kids out there learning in an outside environment and this is some of the unintended consequences of these ordinances and I hope we can find a way

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to to work through this particular uh issue with y'alls. Um so you meet three or four days during the week. How many days at Chisom Park do you meet? >> Correct. Right now we're planning to meet three or four days. Um, and we're open to adjusting that or splitting it

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between different public spaces or whatever collaboratively we can come together to do. Um, we definitely want to do that, [clears throat] but keep all of our families together in St. Cloud. >> All right. City attorney. >> Yes. So, when this ordinance was passed and was adopted at the last meeting, it was intended to address, as the speaker

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said, basically for-profit organizations that are basically using public property to make money. The I think there's misconception about the ordinance. The ordinance does not prohibit that activity. What the ordinance says is that you need to have either a permit, an agreement, some sort

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of written authorization from the city to be able to do the activity. Now, I do not I'm not disputing what you're saying. I do not know enough about their organization to make a determination about whether they are commercial entity or not commercial entity. So, I'm not if you're going to ask, I'm not prepared to

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make that clarification tonight as to their particular entity. I will tell you in the the other side of it is they simply could come back to the city and talk about okay here's what we want to do here's where we want to do it and we could work on some sort of agreement because that's what's provided for in the ordinance.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Is that good when you sit down with staff and and explain your whole organization and >> and what they need and where they need it. >> Right. Right. Definitely. I'm open to >> and that's not a bad idea if you broke it up into, you know, two days over here, two days at another facility. Are

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there other facilities you would you meet at other than >> Chism? [laughter] Uh we're open to anywhere that is outdoor with a table and a bathroom. That's literally our requirements to just get our kids outdoor learning together. That's >> love it. You ever take them out there to Peg Horn Park and >> we've we've done we've done Pegorn Park

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and that's a really great park as well. >> That's cool. No, I love it when our our families go out there or the schools take the kids out on field trips and and it's great that I mean every one of y'alls are outside, right? That's the >> Okay. Yeah. Please meet with staff. you've got all their contact information. >> Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely reach out

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and we'll get something together. I appreciate your help. Thank you so much all of you guys and thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> All right, next up we have Evie Rodri Road. >> Is this all related to the home school? >> Okay. Okay. So, we don't we need to speak on that Autumn as well.

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>> Uh, yes. >> Okay. Uh, Grayson, >> is that with your group, too? >> Okay. So, we're all good with uh Sasha Celis. >> Same. Ruby Lily.

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>> Bridget Lily. >> Candy Clark. >> Not the same. >> Not the same. Okay. Uh, Jim's not the same. He's got flowers for us or something. Uh, Uh what about uh come at it? Nope. Okay. All right. Thank you all very much for

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Yeah. Haley, come on up again. That's fine. Thank you. I just want to clarify because we've already met with uh Council Member Urban and the parks and rec director. I've already had several conversations with them. Can you give me clear direction on what I would need to do or the path I would need to take to

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do this? >> Scott, would you like to s to meet with her or somebody else in city hall to go through? We have her contact information. >> Okay. They'll reach out to you. >> Okay. Because I just want to clarify that like what the ordinance suggests is that if there's any kind of financial

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activity that I have to do a 7525 split with the city. Is there an other opportunity to get a different written agreement other? >> That's where you sit down with the deputy city manager and he can work on that. >> I just wanted to declare I just wanted to clarify. Thank you. >> They'll work on something. They'll present it back to us and >> Got it. Okay. Great. Thank you.

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>> Yes, ma'am. Thank We may not present it back to >> or may not, but we we definitely want it. Uh that's a good thing. He's not saying a bad thing. He's saying, you know, they can have to hear it again. >> They can work out administrative. >> All right, Jim, I'm going to leave you

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for last because I'm sure you like to talk a lot. I've seen your videos. Uh, John Dorsey. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council members. For the record, I am John Dorsey, 1231 17th Street. And reason I

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am here is because of a 36 inch storm drain pipe at the end of Pennsylvania Avenue. and 17th Street. The pipe is dumping trash into the canal. And before I get to my question,

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I want to thank all the council members for coming out and meeting me to show them the pipe that was jump that's dumping trash into the canal. Thank you all. >> Yes, sir. >> Um the question is, uh has the council

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been able to um talk to the road department to fix this issue? Uh, I know I've spoken with city manager and we've spoken with the uh with Kevin. I don't know where we've landed at. I know that there's been a few options that's been

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discussed. Um, city manager, would you like to add to that? >> Um, so yes, I sent a memo to the city council that was prepared by our public works director and um, in short, the FDOT ditch is is not our ditch. Um, and

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the potential solutions really are are the responsibility of of DOT. But if the city council wanted to try the solutions that um Mr. Phil Blinger identified and he can come discuss, he's concerned that it's going to cause a flooding problem.

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>> Okay. Have we spoken with DOT on that to see if they would be willing to do something? >> Mr. Phil Blinger did and can I ask him to come up and brief the city council? >> All right. So, this one's working. Uh Kevin Felbanger, public works director. Um yes, I did speak to DOT. Um like I

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said, they are currently um in the process of uh doing monthly uh cleanings of the ditch. Um they've been coming out be able to do that, be able to help with those areas. Um they are um they said that they have spoken to Mr. Dorsy about other options to be able to help on some of their other uh pipes. Um but they are

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there's nothing that's been budgeted. Um they've discussed solutions, but they don't have budgets uh to be able to implement any of those uh right now. Um, and so I said, so short of them doing monthly cleanings, that's all that they were um, able to commit to, and that's what they currently are doing with the

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ditch. >> Mr. Dorsey, would it in your conversation with DOT? >> Yes. On that one, DOT said that the city of St. Cloud owns that particular pipe and they're responsible for all the

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other pipes on the Peg Horn Canal there. and they said they were good for putting nets over all their pipes when I mentioned that idea and and I told them what the county said

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about I mean uh the city about um um saying that it would cause flood problems and they disagreed with me on that because it's just a 36 inch pipe >> the DOT She disagree with you or with our assessment that

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>> he disagreed with the assessment that it would flood. >> Okay. >> They said it's just a net. Those nets are specifically made to bleed out so they don't so all they do is catch trash and they it just has to be maintained

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and they were saying that they don't think that the city wants to maintain it. Okay, >> that's their issue there. But they're willing to put nets over all their pipes all the way down the length of the canal. They told me they said, "We'll

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work with you just like we did did with the rip wrap." And so, uh, >> what's the difference between this pipe and their pipes? What pipes are there? >> This pipe was installed, I believe Kevin would probably know better, probably five years ago when they installed the

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new sidewalk on 17th Street. that pipe went in and ever since then I've been picking out trash constantly out of that uh canal there and it's all built up on Missouri Avenue on the 800

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uh house there and there's a 100 foot section of trash stuck at the Missouri Avenue covert and 40 feet wide bottles garbage you name it and it's all come out of that one pipe there on the end of

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Pennsylvania AB. I watch it flow by my house day in and day out after every single rainstorm. And I had my own nets there catching it and all it takes is a net and for somebody to just, you know, be

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responsible enough to maintain it. you know, someone comes out maybe once every three months and I even offered to monitor it and call you when it gets half full or something like that. I'm I'm all up to doing my part and um this

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is a very simple project here and that's I think this is just a scare tactic not to do it. saying, "Oh, the town's going to flood because we're going to put a net, not a not a steel door over this 36 inch pipe." Just a net to catch some

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trash that comes down, but it makes a big mess. And let me tell you, um, yeah, get dirty diapers, too. And that comes floating by my front door, 100 feet from my front door where the canal comes by. I walk out every day and you see trash

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coming by out of this pipe. And the only reason you haven't heard about it is because I'm right I'm the only one in that particular area that sees it. Everyone else lives a lot further backwards from this canal. >> And that water kind of flows right through your property.

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>> Right through my property. That's another thing. The canal is basically a borderline between everyone else's property. So they don't see it. It's basically like a fence. No one sees. But on my property, it comes right through the middle.

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And we're just talking a simple net even or even try it, experiment, you know, but that's where it's all coming from. That one pipe that was installed 5 years ago when they installed that um uh sidewalk.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And I went out there and I did see a concentration of garbage directly across from where that pipe shoots out, especially when the waters are higher and >> it gets caught up in those in the brush right there. >> And I talked to uh the superintendent about a year ago. I could never get him

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to he doesn't have an email address or a text. He would only talk to me, the superintendent, Scott Adams. And he was on the phone with me and he wasn't too nice about it. He says, "We're not doing it because I'm not

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going to be emptying the damn thing out all the time." And I was like, "Oh, okay." And um so then uh I let it ride for a while. I picked it out. I cleaned it. You saw the net I had across my telescoping pole to

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pick it out. I showed everyone that came out there. And um I've been doing my best to pick it out. And I'm 63 now. And I don't want to fall in that creek picking out trash anymore. And it's getting worse and worse and worse.

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And uh I'm like, we're in the 21st century now. We we can't get this little bit of trash from coming out of this pipe constantly. >> Yeah, Kevin. >> It's very disturbing. >> Thank you, John. [snorts] We spoke about this briefly. Um you mentioned John, you

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seem to think it's a simple fix. Is it simple to put a net on? No, it's not because anytime you put any kind of any kind of restrictions over a pipe, it does cause upstream effects or downstream effects from it both ways. Like I said, it ends up restricting the flow. Uh, another issue that that's

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there is uh we uh we were reported to the D. So, we went out and did an extensive investigation along this entire pipe along there and uh the majority of the pipes or the majority of the inlets going into it actually have grates on. They're dishbomb inlets. They aren't standard inlets that allow for stuff like this. talking about these

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ditch bottom inlets that that allow for the water to go into the pipe system. They have grates that are about that that big. So cups aren't going in there. Um and so the the inlets along that that area there and so I said so that's what we've been working with with the D uh as

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this has been elevated to their level. Um we like I said the you see the cups that are being pushed across uh from there is like I said it's an open ditch and the water that comes out there may it's a possibility that the cups are going down the ditch and the water and since it's perpendicular to it pushes it

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across when when it comes out of the pipe. It doesn't mean it's coming out of the pipes. Um there's a long long area along there. I know Mr. Dorsey has has gone along and helped do litter control along the the the along 17th Street. When I've spoke to him he's saying that he went and did that. Um, but the the

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issue is is, you know, even if you did something at that pipe, it's not the only point where any any kind of litter can enter the ditch. And that's I guess that's the one of my concerns also. But like I said, but whenever you put any kind of cover over the over the front of

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it, um, like I said, it does cause there to be a chance during peak storms that is going to cause stuff to back up. And like I said, that one of the main areas that this drains from is 192. And people have lived here long enough during the summer when we get those red spots set up over 192. 192 has a tendency of going

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underneath water. And if you can if you restrict the flow for it to be able to go out there, it's a possibility that it is going to become worse. >> All right. Over near Indiana, I just now pulled up Google Earth real quick. I'm sorry. It looks like the school district

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they've they've piped and covered over a portion of their ditch. Is there any way of doing that in the future? Is that something that we've looked at? >> Well, I said, >> are there any plans for 17th Street? >> It's a DOT ditch. Um, the DOT when I

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spoke to them does not have any plans to be able to do that. They do not have any funding for nets. Um, why I said >> No, I'm talking about any redevelopment of that that area of that ditch. >> I I'm not aware of the DOT having any plans to be able to pipe in the ditch.

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>> Okay. because I see it's just a short segment right there from from uh the school district's, you know, the high school parking lot just to to where it turns in on your property. >> Correct. >> That's where along 17th there,

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>> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> I've been watching that pipe for years now, and that pipe is the culprit. It's 80% of the problem, and This is just a scare tactic so they

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don't have to maintain that pipe putting a net over it. They they make these nets. I've seen them in San Anton. It's just like a condom with a band over it. You put over the pipe. It comes in different lengths, two, four, all the way up to 10 feet. So it doesn't go out

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into the canal and disturb any flow of water either. And it's a net. It's designed to bleed water quickly so it does not back up and cause floods. And and to say a net is going to flood the

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town on the other side because of this one pipe is ridiculous. We're talking a net. We're not we're not talking some type of door, trap door, steel door. It's a it's a net where water will just fly through it. all this

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all the garbage will get caught and if it's maintained properly, which I believe the department does not want to do. They just want to stick a couple of no littering signs in the ground and walk away and forget about it. And that was an offer that I did get. And the first

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offer was we don't have the money. And um and so uh I think it's not going to hurt to put one of these nets over it and it's not going to back up and it's not going to flood anything.

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>> Is there any way of of as a trial using a net and seeing what that what's the cost of these nets? >> The like I said just to put a net on there that's that's not the weights done. Like I said I went I said during this time I looked through it. There are there are ways you have to be able to

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provide outlets and you have to provide and I said outlets are only like I said around it. You don't have to armor the the bank. Like I said, this is not just sticking a net on the end of a a pipe. It's not it's not that simple. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir.

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>> I've I've showed pictures when you came out and I talked to deputy mayor. I showed him pictures of nets that can be put over the pipe. >> Mhm. And you just band them on there like it's almost salt. >> Yeah. And I've seen picture of that. City manager, can we get and

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>> can you ask Kevin to put together >> the process of what it takes if it's not just a net with the banding? >> So, I will say in in the memo he he put um the total estimated construction cost for installing a trash sock, which which

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I believe is what we're talking about in this location is between 100 to $148,000. The estimated cost for design and permitting is 75 to 100. Estimated cost for installing a trash shock material only is 500 to 3,000. The existing storm water pipe would need to

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be modified to minimize the chances of upstream impacts. Estimated cost for pipe modification is 5 to 15,000. To protect the existing ditch bank, a head wall would need to be installed with the 36-in pipe. The estimated cost for the head wall would be 20 to 30,000. Then

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the cost for cleaning the the trash sock would be between 500 to a,000 a cleaning. Um it would need to be serviced approximately 10 to 15 times a year for an annual cost of 5 to 15,000. >> I think that answers what you're

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>> So it's better just to fill the ditch in >> well for DOT to budget for it. I mean I can go [clears throat] to the lobbyist >> in order to do a sock on there. You've got to go through all of that stuff. Correct. They said because you're you're modifying a storm water system. You can't just slap a slap a a net on the

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end. Um that's they said that's not a proper way to be able to do that. >> Well, excuse me, Mr. Mayor, but um FDOT hasn't actually come out and formally looked at that particular pipe.

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>> Okay. And they told me they're willing to work with me on it. And I don't even know why we're talking about the FDOT because the FDOT said this is St. Cloud's pipe. >> Okay. If if you have an appointment with them, I'd love to be out there and talk to them as well and that way I can have

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a better understanding of this. >> And but FDOT won't touch it because it's St. Cloud's responsibility. They told me, >> but they're going to sock the other ones they're talking about. >> Well, that's what they told me. >> Okay. >> But the other ones are fine. This is the

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particular one that puts out 70 80% of the trash since I've been monitoring this for years. >> Okay. >> Since that pipe has been installed and it just can't have it spewing out trash all the time. The other pipes

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downstream, they they they don't do nearly. So, I don't know what's going on on underneath the road, but a lot of stuff goes comes out goes into that piping system and comes out. And even the cups, I can tell you, come from the

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K store at the top of Michigan Avenue. >> Okay. >> That are coming out of there. >> All right, council. This is I thought Hopkins Park was a difficult one. What What are your thoughts on this? >> We've all been out there. [clears throat] Um,

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you hit your light. >> Go ahead, >> Council Member Irvin. Can >> Can we request a meeting with with FDUFT and and our staff on site and kind of work together and see if we can come up with some kind of solution? Is that possible? >> Good. >> Yeah. And and I'd like to ask for our

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lobbyists to help us encourage FDOD to do more and put it in their budget. >> Sounds good. >> Sure. >> Is that good? We're going to work with DOT and try to find a solution to this. >> Okay. And

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>> that's as good as we can do. I mean, that's really the >> See you all next month. [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, no, our our staff will definitely keep you up to speed on on how that goes, right? [clears throat] >> Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you, John. I appreciate you. >> Thank you, everybody. Appreciate it.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. We have Zamara Love. >> I said it right, didn't I? It's because you spelled it out. >> I I know. >> I wanted to help. >> All right. Good evening, everyone. Or good night

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basically. Um, mayor, deputy mayor, and council members. Um, my name is Samara Love. I am a resident of Canopy Walk, which is a community of 193 homes, and I currently serve as president of our homeowners association. Canopy Walk

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began development in 2017 when this area was primarily surrounded by orange groves and open space. Today, our community sits at the center of significant growth uh such as residential developments, including

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future apartments, expanding schools, major roadway improvements, commercial projects, including the recently approved Walmart development. I want to be clear that we're our community is not opposing growth. We understand St. Cloud is growing and we

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support responsible development. We also recognize that many of these projects bring value and opportunity to our city. However, the Walmart project has brought into focus a larger concern shared by many of our residents. Over the years, growth has continued to move closer and

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closer to our community. What was once open space around a community is now becoming schools, apartments, commercial development, and major traffic corridors. As development continues around us, my request this evening is simple. I respectfully ask the city to

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utilize every compatibility and buffering measure available under its code and ordinances to help protect the quality of life of the 193 families who call Canopy Walk home. Whether it be through landscaping, decorative masonary

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walls, traffic mitigation, lighting controls, or other reasonable compatibility measures, we simply ask that every opportunity be considered to lessen the impacts of the families of Canopy Walk. Canopy Walk is no longer on

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the edge of growth. We are increasingly surrounded by it. We support St. Cloud's future and want to remain part of that future. We simply ask that development occurring around, excuse me, we simply ask that Canopy Walk remain part of the

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conversation as decisions are made about the development occurring around us. Thank you for your time and consideration. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much, >> Edward Nielsen. Uh Edward Nielson, 1833 Rain Place, uh

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US Army veteran. I spoke to the chief along with uh Paul. She's been helping me out significantly regarding uh traffic [clears throat] from matter academy coming through using the rain lily place

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to um as their way to exit to get to 192. I understand the safety of the school. We fully understand that. But I living me living on Rain Lady Place is difficult for my wife to exit in the

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mornings when you have 40 50 60 70 cars coming through rainly because the school is refusing to go to the left to go back to 192 which I understand after speaking to the chief the safety of the kids in [clears throat] that area. All I'm

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asking is if the city could consider on Rainly Place, they've did a I guess the city survey where they see how many vehicles passed through the neighborhood. Unfortunately, they put it on the pole. They turned it away from

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the street and they did it when the school wasn't in session. So, that's no reason for doing it. Of course, you're not going to get the amount of cars that you have passing through the community while there's schools in session. So, all I'm asking is if the

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city could consider maybe putting some speed bumps on Rainly to slow the traffic down because they come through there and Rainly like they're on in Daytona 500. >> Is that the one that connects to Puffin >> straight through the middle of it to Puffin Road or No,

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>> no, it's Well, so it's Nor Tyson. They go up on North Tyson North and then they turn into uh Canopy Walk. The second exit in Canopy Walk, >> the second one going north. >> Yes. >> And then they head out >> and then they come down Rainly and head

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back south to go towards 192. >> Okay. So, we're just asking that maybe they do the the the measurements during the school times. And as we know, Mad Academy is getting bigger. So now,

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instead of 60 cars there, and the police has been doing their best diligence putting officers there. But of course, when you have a marked police car, you're going to slow down. You don't have a marked police car, you're going to be flying through the community. And

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numerous mornings, my wife has and other people in Rainley has been trying to leave. And cars has and parents are just disrespectful. shout at you when you ask them to slow down and me being a veteran with uh PTSD

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triggers, especially when I'm protecting my my wife and other members of the thing. So, we're asking if consideration could be put just to regularly put like four speed bumps to slow the traffic down as they come through there. And like I said, the police has been doing a

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great job. They get out there when they can. Unfortunately, sometimes they get out there at 8 o' after 8 o'clock when the traffic is from 7:30 to 8. And all I'm asking is for consideration to have some kind of speed bumps or something to slow the traffic down as we're going to

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be getting excessive traffic because we're the school is expanding. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh Dan, what what are the options available to the HOA when it comes to that for the speed bumps? Is that an HOA or is that would that be >> they're they're city streets I'm

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assuming so the city would have to decide to put speed bumps on there certainly and and historically when the city has has considered speed bumps. We've tried to again do some surveying in the neighborhood because not everybody likes speed bumps in their neighborhoods. So um

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>> who's got them? Pine Lake. >> We don't have any we don't have speed bumps anywhere. Like I said we would have to do a traffic common study. Um, I'm assuming that that we we probably did out of out of season, which sounds like it was not correct. And so, like I said, so we definitely can do it once school starts again to be able to go out there and be able to look at the traffic

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patterns because I agree traffic patterns do change when when they're in session and not in session. And so, like I said, so what we can do is we can go out in the middle of this have scheduled it for the middle of August to go out there and do an assessment again. >> Did Pine Lake Estates used to have it before they put the stop signs in?

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>> No, we had the Pine Lake Estates was one of the ones where we had a discussion about putting speed bumps in and the city As I recall, the city council actually agreed to do it, but then some of the neighbors came back in front at another meeting said, "We don't want them." Then they went to the stop sign thing, but as Kevin will tell you,

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basically all that means is people speed between stop signs. >> Well, that and stop signs aren't used for traffic. >> No, because they're not used for traffic going. So, okay. >> But I said I'll talk to get my information. >> All right. Thank you, Edward. Appreciate you, sir.

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>> Candy Clark. Good evening. Um, good evening, Mayor Robertson and, uh, members of the city council. My name is Candy Clark and I live on 1810 Blount Trail here in St. Cloud. Um, I'm an Air Force veteran and local outdoor fitness coach operating

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under the parent company Camp Gladiator. I'd like to address the concerns with the most recent ordinance put in place requiring a permit to conduct business in city parks, specifically St. Cloud Lakefront. So, I am also with the young lady, not with them, but it's also kind of the same topic. Um, every week I've

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had the privilege of helping seniors stay active and independent. Military veterans are able to reconnect through fitness and community. Stay-at-home parents are now able to prioritize their health, and individuals of all fitness levels discover that movement can be fun, right? I've intentionally kept my

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classes affordable because I believe fitness should be accessible to everyone. With that, I proudly offer discounts to everyone that attends my classes, even though it may cut into my personal income because serving people has al always been uh much more important to me than maximizing profits. My seniors also get free classes through

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their insurance via Medicare and Medicaid. Um, I completely understand the need for permits and regulations. I totally respect our parks and believe that businesses should follow the rules. However, paying 25% of my already very

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very modest earnings simply isn't feasible. Especially when I already pay a percentage of those same earnings to the parent company, Camp Gladiator. By the time those percentages are taken out, there's very little left to sustain a small business, purchase equipment, carry insurance, and continue offering

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affordable classes to our community. If the permit were a reasonable monthly fee instead, it would be much more manageable for small business owners like myself. Uh, what makes this even more disappointing is that our classes were held in the beautiful shaded turfed area of the park, a space that our city

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invested a great deal of money into creating for the community. We weren't really taking away from that investment. We were actually helping to maximize it and bring more people to the area. So, I'm not asking for any special treatment. I'm simply asking that consideration be given to the different types of fitness providers using our

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parks. A one-sizefitsall approach really doesn't affect um I'm sorry, reflect how each business operates. In particular, there should be consideration for personnel who are not operating under their own LLC or who already share a significant portion with their earnings um to another parent

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company. A permit structure that recognizes those differences would be far more equitable while still supporting the city's goals. I respectfully ask that you reconsider the current permit structure and explore a one-time annual permit or a reasonable flat monthly fee in place of a

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percentage-based fee. That approach would still allow the city to regulate park use while making it possible for small businesses like mine to continue serving the seniors, veterans, parents, and everyone else who depend on these programs. Thank you so much for your time and consideration. >> Yes, ma'am. Candy. Deputy mayor.

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>> May I ask a question, please? Yes, sir. >> Uh you say you give free uh classes to senior citizens because of Medicare. Does Medicare pay you? >> Yes. Yes, sir. Through Camp Gladiator, so they don't pay me directly. >> Okay. And Gladiator, are you a

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franchise? I'm trying to figure this out of >> Camp Gladiator is is a business. It's a 1099. So, I am a personal trainer, but I'm not under like my own LLC or anything. >> Okay. I I get 10 1099s in contractors is what we call them in in industry. But you're saying the seniors get it free,

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but they're they get Medicare pays for it. So it's not free. Medicare is a great thing, but it's paid by the taxpayers. It's when people say free stuff because it's paid for by somebody else. It's just really not free.

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>> I understand that. >> So So So you you're you're not uh a nonprofit. >> No, sir. >> But you are a profit, >> correct? And you use the city uh facilities underneath the canopy of those facilities. >> Correct. >> And

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I guess my question is you think it should be okay and nobody should pay for anything for that? >> That was never what I said. No, sir. Not actually. >> Okay. So, you think there should be a monthly fee or see what the what what the city tries to do and may and city manager may may uh help me out with that

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is say listen we're going to work with you but you know uh give us a low percentage so we can maintain the facility and we know that you have that facility u covered during a certain percentage of time and I love what you do believe it or not I love what you do

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I I think uh um people walking and talking and and yoga and all that stuff is really good but when you use a facility that we paid I think over $500,000 for to to to to do to do that to do it openly and and a citizen comes

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to use that and there's a class being there and they can't use that and I don't know if that's free enterprise for the citizens of St. Cloud. I'm not discarding what you do. I think it's awesome. I just have to ask council how how we handle that uh to do that. you have a nonprofit organization that has a

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franchise and they they pay the franchise fees and and the trickle down fact that through Medicaid or Medicare or whatever it works. Uh it's a for-profit organization and I think the canopy was $500,000 for us to do it for all the citizens. But if the citizen

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would walk up and there's a class there, they may not feel welcome there, but they may. So I don't know. >> They absolutely do. Yes, sir. >> Right. So I I I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm just asking the questions and I I [snorts] don't get to talk to council except here in workshops. >> Thank God. >> So So

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>> just kidding. [laughter] Love you. >> It's been a long day, sir. We all understand. >> Sorry. >> Where's Sophie? [laughter] But but anyway, I I just want to ask council, how do you do this? Because uh

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again, I think what you're doing is great, but if someone comes in and wants to run a little league in Chisum Park and play football there and they say, "Hey, we're just doing this for a little league and it's cool because Chism Park's open." Um what what is where do we cross the line

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or where do we I I I'm not I'm not degrading you. I'm just asking council how do we how do we how do we do that? And I'll yield back. But I love what you do. I just don't know of if we do it for one, we do it for all. If we do it for soccer, then we have to do it for

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volleyball and we have to do it for this and we have to do it f but what you're doing is great. So please believe me. I I I'll go to your class and probably not do very well. But but I yield back to you mayor and and I asked councel what what your thoughts on that and thank you very much for what you do and taking

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care of the seniors and everybody you do. I yield back. >> Council member Paul. Um, so I met with Miss Candy Mo um and the group of ladies um with the director Stephanie Hulkim as well um as soon as this ordinance went

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in place. I think I got plenty of emails from different organizations about you know it immediately stopped them. I think maybe when we do ordinance like this not for everything but in situations like that maybe we consider a

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30-day grace period. So that gives or um organizations opportunity to work with parks and wreck and see what you know they can come up with so that way they can move forward cuz right now I think you said you searched all over you know OciOla County. She called me about one

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park and I said that's with the county that's with the city you know trying to find somewhere after this ordinance went in place. So, >> yeah, I spoke with Miss Candy as well, or I spoke with somebody that >> You spoke with one of my seniors. Yes, sir. >> Yeah.

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>> Um, it's kind of a weird situation because you said that with the agreement with the city, the the people who work out make the payment directly to the city. Correct. I I don't know anything about campaign.

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>> Well, that was the issue that that the person said that we can't use our was that Medicare. >> Yes. >> Said that they won't pay the city directly. That's why it's got to go directly to you. >> I'm I'm not aware. >> That's what they said. That's that's

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what whoever you had call me. >> Um and she's watching online actually, Miss Debbie. All I know is that I don't we don't exchange any money on property when they have this program with their Medicare or Medicaid. Forgive me for not knowing how it all works. I don't deal with any of the money to be honest. It's all up top from Camp Gladiator. I just

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know that they have whatever discount program they have through their insurance and Camp Gladiator pays me a portion of that. So they don't pay anything because they have that coverage and then Camp Gladiator pays me a portion of that. >> All right. So yeah, but again I'm sorry to just to respond to you, sir. Uh, Mr.

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Gilbert, um, just so you know, so I understand and I'm not looking for any special treatment. I'm not even saying that I don't expect to pay. I'm fully aware that yes, these are beautiful properties and we want to make sure that we're paying. But to say 25% of earnings, in my opinion, it just seems high because not every single person. If

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I was under my own LLC, absolutely. Because then I would just be paying you. But because certain businesses that are out there are also paying someone else, it just seems like it shouldn't be a flat thing all across the board, >> right? And and I get that. That's the biggest >> and I get that and and my business model is never to be a franchisee because then

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you have to have their napkins. You have to have their cups, you have to have their tables and chairs, you have to have whatever systems that they have in place and franchises. Uh Checkers is one, Parano Panera Bread's one. There's a lot of franchises and their

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franchisees fee and if you become part of that franchisee, they give you a portion, but they help you advertise for that that industry. They help commercialize and they help do things like that, which I I think it you're doing a great job. Please forgive me for

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putting my business hat on, but but that is a for-profit business and it is a franchisee business just like Subway would be or any of those things would. And we have a lot of the um sports entities coming in to us asking those

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same questions and saying, "Hey, we're I sports. We don't get any money, but we're a franchisee of I9 Sports. They collect all the money and we get a portion of it, but we want to have that that area for free. But I9's up here in

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South Dakota making money and giving you a couple bucks, but they're utilizing uh city property and things like that. I don't know what the derivative is and I don't know what the percentage is. I just know they're in franchises and I sports is a big one. They do soccer, basketball, and all that, but they go

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into public facilities and use them, and they say, "Well, we're not going to pay for it because we're a franchisee, and we're not actually collecting the money." Mothership is collecting money and passing it down. I'm not and I'm always the bad guy in here because I'm

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the business guy here. But but there there's always a cost associated with running a business with insurance and and occupation of that facility a and the congregation. I I so I don't have an

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answer for that. Uh back in the day where I grew up, you just ran in open fields and it was cool. But now they've found a way to make money through franchisee services in every franchises and like I say i9 sports I don't know if you always see them uh there pop warner's another one's a franchisee

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there's little league's a franchisee so they're paying but you say you don't collect money but you get money from the franchisee so I don't have an answer and I don't get to talk to council but this is a franchise business and this is what they're running and I don't know what

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fees should be applicable for that You're very good at that, Scott. And I just yel back to you, mayor. That's what I get in this business, which is a great service, by the way. I'm not >> That's the discussion, though. We're just trying to figure out what the fee is. I'm not disputing paying for

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anything. I just we're wanting to kind of come to the some sort of consensus on what would be appropriate and what's expected because the 7525 as young lady with the homeschooling, it just it in in most cases, it's not reasonable for all businesses across the board. >> Well, this one's a little different. We

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only have one of these. Okay. >> Where we have that obviously at that those time of the day when you're working out maybe other people want to use it. But let me ask Scott the deputy city manager some questions here >> with an agreement that they would have to have in place.

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>> How does the city receive their monies from her or from them? >> Absolutely. So um every business is set up a little bit differently. However, all the agreements and this is standard. This this isn't something new here. This has been in in place here for a number

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of years. Same thing throughout the country. Um the businesses the the registration for the programs whether it's an art class, whether it's a fitness class, what whatever it is, yoga classes, um they register through the city. That way the city is able to verify the the funds that are that that

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come through. Um and then the city then cuts a check to the contractor for their 75%. Um >> so the people are paying the city. >> That's correct. See, that's what I >> That's correct. >> That's so what she told me. See, that's what she told me was >> correct. And and you know what?

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>> And that's what why she was saying that whatever Medicare or Medicaid, whatever, they don't accept it that way. But there is a way. You think >> absolutely there is a way. And and I think um the deputy mayor really hit it on the head. Um you know, Camp Gladiator

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is part of you know, active and fit, Medicaid, th those types of programs. the city. You know, many businesses have that uh where you can participate. You you sign up and you get a discount on whatever that service is. Those businesses are paying

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to be part of it's additional advertising for those businesses. And all of these businesses are wonderful. whether it's, you know, this business or the the homeschool business. I think, you know, if if you recall the intent with the council, uh, when when it came was these are are businesses, whether

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they're collecting revenues on site or off-site, they're they're charging for a a business. They're they're both franchises. Um, I believe the Carolina Kids Co-op is is also a franchise. um many other franchises as deputy mayor

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pointed out that that wish to utilize city facilities. Um whereas other businesses would be paying for a brick-and-mortar facility. Um those are the costs of of doing business. Um and we have this on a regular basis. In

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fact, just the other day, um, there was a group out on our volleyball courts, a for-profit volleyball group that was out there, uh, and told members of the public that they needed to leave >> because they were running their own volleyball program. A child,

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>> a child, they told a child. >> They told a child to leave uh, specifically for that. We're finding more and more of these ever since the ordinance passed. Um, organizations are are running their businesses out in the parks. We just heard of another somebody running pickle ball lessons uh and

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charging out there utilizing city facilities to to operate their businesses. >> Yeah. And and I don't think that we need to rent out every every one of these amenities for commercial operations. And this is our only this is the one right

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the shade structure area that look how many days a week are you are you operating? >> So honestly Camp Gladiator has actually been around since way before COVID. It's literally the whole area. We've used the parking space in the past. We've used underneath the awning where uh right behind the restrooms once the shaded

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area was built we moved and started using that. But we it's not like that's where we have to be and people come out oh you can't come here. That's never been the issue. I've literally invited other kids, other families. I'll ask them, "Hey, how often are you guys out here?" So we don't conflict with schedules, but it's never been a, "Hey,

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we're here. You guys can't be around." We will even move. Hey, if y'all want to use that, we've seen other dance groups and other people practicing. We'll move to this side. So, it's not that that area is what we have to use. But to answer your question, you were going to ask, we do Monday through Thursday and I

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do um three cl three times in the morning at 9:30 and then three classes in the evening at 6:30. So Monday, Tuesday, Thursday morning, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evening. But again, those are like midday, midm morning. So I don't feel like the morning is really a big issue because it's midday. There

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may be some kids from time to time. It's the evening class. And I think sometimes there may be people there. But again, we're aware it's first come first serve. If we get out there and there's a guy doing his, you know, thing with the kids in sports, then we move somewhere else. But it's again, it's if we're aware that, hey, if we got to pay with a fee,

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we have to do that. This isn't our space. But right now, we're just trying to figure out what what is the solution because I don't I don't know how that would work with the whole Medicare and my seniors are a big group and they're just like we don't know if we're going to continue if we can't, you know, get

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it through the Medicare or whatever. >> Yeah. And that was the call I got. >> Okay. Yeah. And I was misunderstanding what the flow would be for payment. So if you uh continue to stay in contact with the deputy city manager, >> okay, >> you can help them through how that process would work

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>> that how Medicare how they can process to the city. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> That work, Candy? >> I believe so. >> That's all we can do right now. Yes, sir. Let it come back to us if you still have any issues with it. Okay. >> Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

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>> All right. Thank you. But I know staff, they know how to work through things, so And last but not least, Mr. Jim Gail, name and address for the record, sir. >> Jim Gail, 2970 Tally Hotel Trail. And I want to thank you. This has been a

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fantastic meeting and I just love the sincerity that I'm experiencing. And I want to say thank you all to being here. Um, I've been obsessed with the question, how do we really change things for 20 years? And that h obsession has landed me standing here right now. And

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I'm happy to say that I have the answers, right? And they're very simple and it's all based in our natural world, right? This little stick here can produce hundreds of pounds of food within a couple years. Not only can this produce hundreds of pounds of sweet

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potatoes, but you can take a chunk off like I've done here for several people in the audience and give them sweet potato starts and now they can start growing sweet potatoes. Why is this so important? Because the food at the grocery store is growing with poisons.

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Because the food at the grocery store is causing one in three of our kids to be sick and two out of three of adults in our world to be sick. It's causing How many people see lightning bugs anymore after a rain? Do you see worms on the ground? Why don't we see lightning bugs

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and worms? Because our environment is being destroyed by poisons. And it's our duty. It's our lawful duty to learn what the results of this action is of poisoning our natural world and then to

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stop it. And when we do, when we supplant the poisons that are going into our waterways, our lakes, our rivers, our soil, our air, and our minds, and our stomachs with something natural, the results of this is the end of cancer,

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diabetes, and heart disease trends, the end of suicide trends, the end of depression, and the end of most crime. We literally have the solution to end the majority of crime. And it's very simple. When inmates grow food at

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prisons, they don't commit crimes as much anymore. When students at schools grow food in schools, guess what? They heal. So, I I'm, by the way, my name is Jim Gal. I'm running for president of the United States, the republic, and we

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are going to take the poisons out of our schools and we're going to grow food. And what will happen when the average high school, which is 850 students in the United States, when 400 students are planting 10 seeds a day, right? After

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about 90 days of a little bit of love and attention to these plants, 90 days, each plant is worth $10. 400 * 10 is 4,000 * $10 is $40,000

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of value per day coming out of every school in the United States. Right? So, one of the greatest statements a president has ever made is it's not what your country can do for you, it's what you can do for your country that counts. Well, what can we do for St. Cloud,

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Florida, the most amazing place in this nation? I choose to live here after living in 47 countries and all over the place. I love this place, right? We live completely off the grid. I walk outside my door and there's 300 different types

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of food producing plants all around my yard, right? This is just one of them, the most productive one quite frankly. So, what can we do in St. Cloud, Florida? When we follow Dr. Martin Luther King's advice. He said, "Those who love peace must learn to organize as

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effectively as those who love war." Number one, we take out the poisons, which is the ultimate weapon of the war that we are fighting. And number two, we organize to steward the land again, to be the protectors and caretakers of our land. When we get our organization

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together, when the group of you and the police and the firefighters and the pastors and the reverends and the imams and the rabbis, when we come together around stewardship and building life

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back into our system, we create the most ideal place that we can imagine. Now, anybody who says, "I don't think that's possible, you should come visit my house, right? or you should go to another food forest because it's not only possible, it's logical, it's

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data-driven, it's scientific, everybody wins except for the corporations on the short term. The corporations don't win, but actually they do on the long term because the current way is unsustainable and all unsustainable systems fail. And

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so I invite you, let's meet together. We have the world leaders in biio regen, in soil healing, and in design. Let's meet with the permaculture designers of our world. The best in our world, by the way, and let's design St. Cloud,

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Florida, and Oyola County to be the example to shine a light on what can be done in the rest of the world. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, Jim. I look forward to uh coming out there and visiting. What about hosting a council retreat out there and showing us everything you have to do? So,

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Thank you. Appreciate you. You going to leave some of that sweet potato for us? >> Yes. >> All right. >> All right. Anyone else in the audience like to speak during the citizens forum? >> Moving on. Thank you'all very much. All right. Next up, we have public

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hearings. Will the clerk pre please read public hearing number one? Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-07. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St. Cal Florida adopting a large scale sale comprehensive plan amendment pursuant to section 163.3184

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Florida statutes assigning a future land use designation approximately plus - 743.53 acres identified as Whley's plat project CPA 25-000011 generally located north of Lake Toba east of Ocula road and south of CMI Park Road west of Tovalea road from MXD

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mixeduse county to MIX mixeduse city providing for amending of the official future landings map of the comprehensive finding the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication applicability effect seability copies on file and effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, can you also have the clerk read into item number two? It's a

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companion reszoning application as well. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-08, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Florida providing a zoning amendment of zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. South Florida specifically changing zoning designation approximately plus - 400 743.53

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acres identified as Whley's Flat project ZMA 25-000014 from MXD mixeduse county to MIX mixeduse city generally located north of Tohopa Road east of South Road [snorts] south of CM Park Road west of Lake Topela Road providing for entry designation official

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official zoning map funing and planning commission's recommendations proof of publication service effective date >> what Lake is that on Jeff >> Lake to Yeah. Okay. Lake Tojo. >> Good evening. Jeffrey Ball, community development director, city of St. Cloud.

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Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. Uh this is a companion land use and zoning application for the Wley PL project, CPA25-000011 and ZMA25-000014. Again, this is a comprehensive plan amendment and zoning map amendment.

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So, uh, a little background. This was annexed via ordinance number 2026-06, which was done, uh, just a couple months ago in May of, um, 14th, 2026. It is approximately 743 acres. The

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density is approximately between 5 and 25 dwelling units per acre. It is compatible with the surrounding area. The project was transmitted uh to the state of uh department of commerce for inter agency review. Department of commerce did not provide any comments in

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response to the transmitt. So what you have tonight is the uh adoption hearing for the CPA in addition to the ZMA application. The existing future land use is mixed use in the county. The proposed future land use is

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mixed use uh with the city. Existing zoning is MXD in the county. The proposed zoning is uh mix. Uh there is no uh adverse impacts on city's facilities. So this is the existing future land use

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in the in the county existing zoning. It's pretty much all blue. So staff recommendation is approval of ordinance 2026-07 and 2026-8. Planning Commission recommendation

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was um March of this year and they approved orinance 2026-07 and 08. That concludes staff presentation. The applicant is here uh to make their presentation and I believe representatives from the school districts are here as well.

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>> Thank you Jeff. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? >> Good night. Uh for the record, Logan Opsall, 215 North Yola Drive, the Lounge Law Firm. On behalf of the applicant, um thank you Jeff for the time uh outlining the application. I think this commission

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is well aware this is not a new project. It's been going on for some time. Um and uh tonight before you, these two ordinances are the implementation of the future land use and zoning of the property following its annexation back in May. Um also along with the

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annexation is the annexation uh agreement uh which outlines the uh mixeduse city future land use and mixeduse city zoning. Um we are aware of uh a letter sent I believe to to the

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council and and staff from the school board. Uh uh again we as we're all well aware have a approved project through Oyola County uh which uh went through a concept plan approval, preliminary site plan approval, PS

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approval, site plan approval. Um and all of which was co coordinated with the necessary agencies including the school board. Um at each stage of those reviews uh we had uh approval from the school board of those as well. uh the project

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will contain a uh charter school uh to to absorb the uh proposed impact of the development. So all of this is outlined in your staff report and with the application package. Uh I believe there was a uh request to continue it uh from

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the school board. Uh the applicant requests that the council approve the future land use and zoning consistent with the annexation agreement that was passed by the council. Um as those are the two items before you tonight. Uh so

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with that I'm happy to answer any questions and if I may reserve some time to respond after public comment. >> Deputy mayor this quasi judicial this was approved by the county before we annexed. Correct. >> That's correct. >> Thank you sir. Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> And first up, we have school board of OciOla County. >> Anybody from the school board like to speak on this? What's your name and address for the record, sir? >> Uh, good evening. My name is Tom Kalen.

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I'm an attorney, Orlando, Florida. I represent the school district. I'm one of the real estate lawyers system on land acquisition for school sites. They've asked me to be here today. Uh Mayor Robertson and members of commission, just a few comments I have.

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I sent a letter to Dan uh their city attorney uh this past uh week, two days ago, and there's some comments by the school district. Um the school district u the letter has addresses some concerns that the proposal of this development

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which will be many thousands of units along with others around it has no provision for a public school site. Uh the uh and and that's important. The uh interlocal agreement that exists between city of St. cloud and the school

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district requires that a comprehensive plan that a school site be designated for the school board to purchase from the land owner. Schoolboard purchases site at fair market value at a value determined between the the land owner and the school board by getting

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different appraisals to do that. And it's been a process we've had for about 14 years or since 1999 I believe it is. And it's worked out fair sorry excuse me 2013. It's worked out fairly well. Um what's evolved over time throughout

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the county is that a school site that is needed to serve the impacts of the student generation from these thousands of units that will be here will be a school site under state law. The seph requirements of a 24 acre site or 20

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acre site if we have off-site drainage and that's been kind of the the template. And these are sephraf standards that apply to across all public schools as well as to charter schools that are used for mitigation of impacts. And so the first issue we have

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with the proposal here that you've seen is that the charter school site that they're indicating let me step back first. Um charter schools in Ocio County have historically been volunteer schools. I send my kids to private

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school in Orlando. I was a in Semino County. I went to a a private school undergrad. I first kept you know from elementary and then I went to a a public high school. So school choice the school board is firm in its commitment to

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school choice. Charter schools are fine. Uh so we'll make that clear. The question is that the school board still has to provide uh school services to this area. So there's no school site and you're putting thousands of development out

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here and it's tens of thousands of units that are going out here in this area. Uh and so you're building a whole new city of over 100,000 people. And if it's not a school site, a public school site, then rest assured what will happen is that when parents want to send their kids to a public school, they will be on

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a lengthy bus ride. And so one of the one of the big concerns by the school district by not having a public school site designated in this site for purchase is that in the future 5 to 10 years down the road you will have uh the need for excessive busing of children

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out there to a school site if it's not if one's not provided. That's the first question. But that's the first comment by the schoolboard staff. The second issue that comes up with is this is um in the past the charter schools in the

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county have been voluntary. They've not been used to for mitigation of school impacts. So every charter school you see right now in St. Cloud or in this county is not built to impact to mitigate impacts caused by development.

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They organically happen to have a school choice. the people who buy houses still have to pay impact fees and the school board still has to go out and buy purchase school sites to serve the impacts associated with the new homes. So that's what currently exists.

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So there hasn't been a project yet and this is what the this is the beginning of it here. This is important. This project's important. That's why we're here tonight is because this will be the first time that a charter school is being proposed as a mitigation of impacts to the school system. Jeffrey,

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can you put on the put up the plat again the layout of the the property? >> So, that's that's [clears throat] the important part here. And I don't want to get too much into the state law on this because half the state law uh if you look at the state law, it's it's kind of

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a um there's some uncertain aspects of it. But the concern we have is that the 8 acre site that's designated here does not meet Sephra. Sephra requires for a school to meet a a development of this size requires a size of 24 acres to 20

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acres with off-site storage. Now, our ISA that we have with you, our interlocal agreement doesn't deal with charter schools. The agreement that we have between St. Cloud or Oyola County and the school board does not deal with charter

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schools. Only deals with public schools. the school board is not in the business and nor should it be in the business of doing the charter schools. So, we're still so under our agreement, we as as as as as partners in that agreement are still required to find a school site for

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the school board to purchase in this area and this application doesn't have that. So, they can do charter schools all they want but the but we still have to have a public school site. The other issue I want to get up with uh talk about this

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is and this does happen from time to time. There's been a couple charter schools that have closed in Ocula County. So the school what happens when it happens school board has to school board has to absorb those students in the public system when a charter school closes. We've had a couple of those

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happen. It was voluntary. And the school board also has to provide a choice for people not to have to who don't want to go to charter school to go to school system. Like I talked about the concern about busing if there's not an alternative in the area. So these issues are practical concerns that will deal

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with this project because uh based upon the impacts of this development, the number of students that will be generated in this area, you're looking at 5 to 25 units per acre over 743 acres. So that's going to be a minimum of 3500

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units upwards to a max be a max of much higher. So seph requires a 2420. So the school board's position here is we would request a continuous tonight uh which we could meet with u the applicant

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uh and try to work out a an agreement for a purchase or a designation of a 24 acre 20 acre offsite within their development to be purchased by the school board so school board can provide a public school to serve the impacts of development that will be generated out

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here. And that what that's what our that's what our ISA agreement has interlocal agreement between the city of St. Cloud and with this a couple statements were made that the school board had rejected or did not uh object to earlier um parts

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approvals by the Ocula County. That's not correct. I was told by the super by the general counsel that's not correct. The school board has always objected to this proper this project not providing a school site whether in Ocola County or in the city

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of St. Cloud. It's important we have that. >> Let me ask you this real quick. >> Yes, sir. >> When was this property when did it get their approvals through the county? >> I don't know that. And to me, it's just not really that important because under ISO agreement. Go ahead.

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>> Well, it's important when So, you're telling me that when it got the approvals through the county, the school board stepped up and said, "Hey, we want a site." >> School board said we we don't The school board at that point in time was involved with it. and put school board did not uh object the school board did object to

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the fact of an 8acre site back then and made objections about not having a full 24 acre 20 acre offsite pond site. Yes. >> Okay. I'll let you complete your presentation. I wasn't trying to stop you. I'm sorry. >> Well, it's what's happening. So, that's why I thought you were done.

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>> I'm almost done. Uh, one thing as this commission I think would be mindful of is that in the future, um, with the charter school law changing in the state of Florida significantly, it allows now that the the operators of school board

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charter schools who build and construct charter schools are eligible for impact fee credits. So the impact fees that would be charged by the city of St. Cloud would be eligible for impact fee credits to them. Unfortunately, that hasn't gone through

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yet. This would be the first one that you would have to deal with that. Right now, the school board of Ocula County when we do impact fee credits who only it's only for the purchase of the land value. We don't give impact fee credits to the construction of school because the school board uses public dollars to

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build a school. And so impact fee credits become a a interesting issue because we issue the impact fee credits when we purchase land as part of the land component but we build a school. When a charter school gets involved here and builds a

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school and asks for impact fee credits from the city of St. Cloud, you have no process. There's no process by which you issue impact fee credits. How you issue impact fee credits when you do. Right now it's all you do is right. It's

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currently under the ISA and currently with both in the county as well in the city is that the school board issues impact fee credits when it buys the land. But if we're not in that process of we don't buy charter school property, then the question is how do you deal with the impact credits? And it gets into another issue too because the state

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law mandates for the school board why it's serious for the school board and that's why it needs to have further discussions with the applicant about this. State law is very clear. When a charter school closes, the school board has to take it over or the developer, the land, the developer has to repay the

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impact fees they got credits for. >> Now, if that happens 30 years down the road, it's problematic. Go trying to chase down someone 30 years later to get the money they should have paid when they got a credit. But when a school board takes over a school site, it has to meet state requirements. And that state requirement on the SRAF is that

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they have to be 24 24 acres and 20 acres off-site drainage for the various requirements that exist in SRAF such as student safety, separation of students from cars, vehicles, those kinds of things. It's it's a lot of it's more regulation that I really want to talk

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about tonight. So, the choices we see as a school board here and that's why we think it should be [snorts] >> delayed. Hold on one second, Tom. Yes. Give me one second. >> Tom, you you've done a great job, but your acronyms How do we know them? I I I I use acronyms in my business, but you use

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different acronyms. And I don't know if the city council here knows acronyms, but you've been using seven or eight acronyms. And I get it. We uh Florida League of Cities, we call Flegissa. You know, if I told you that, you'd probably

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go, what's going on with that? But you've used so many acronyms and I I don't know if the other council understands them, but I don't. There's ITLA and SITLA and I I I apologize for being ignorant for that, but I know acronyms in my business, but I don't

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know acronyms in your if you can first tell us what those acronyms need and then afterwards tell us where those >> and typically you get three minutes to speak on this item and you know obviously we're um you're not the applicant or the you know so what's the

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key point? What's the point? Key point is on page two of my letter. It goes into this. The state requirement for educational facilities. >> Thank you. >> As Sephra >> and um I and it says that all facilities for for charter schools shall be built to Sephrra standard.

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>> This has eight acres is not Sephrrad standard. >> Okay. >> You need 24 acres. So the choices I think that it present here are this. And the school board is not not opposed to charter schools. They just want charter school. was going to be built in this development to be at the SRAF standard

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which we believe is 24 acres standalone or 20 acres with joint drainage or they could sell that site to the school board. We'll purchase that have it later on. >> But just the 8 acres site that's being proposed is not sufficient and that's that's where the

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>> take away here 8 acres is not big enough >> and I think you I think a good 30 >> we're going to ask you more questions but I just want to make sure that's what we're what the opposition of this is. Yeah, >> Council Member Fletcher and and and I'm sorry. Go ahead, Council. >> Um I just had a quick question. Um

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because this has come before us, unless I um am misunderstanding this, this came before us on March 12th and May 14th. Did the school board object to this at those hearings? >> Well, typically the point of entry for us to discuss this is at the comp plan amendment level, and this is where we're at here today. When you annex property

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in there, you're still governed by the county comp plan. This comp plan is the is a point of entry for us. first reading an introduction and then a transmitter. I mean, couldn't you guys have >> brought that to us months ago >> instead of at the last minute? >> Yes, ma'am. Name and address

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>> and Vandenberg. Uh, I'm an attorney also representing the school board and I'm in Orlando, Florida. >> We got a lot of attorneys in the room tonight. >> Yeah, [laughter] this is a this is a really important issue. >> Uh, as Tom said, this is a a matter of first impression really for the county. Um, the comments where the school board

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objected started at the very beginning. It started with the county and those comments have been carried forward all the way along and the county approvals were subject to the the school board requesting that this school site be made um available to them.

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>> Is this now becoming a bigger issue because the site over on the Bellotera isn't available for a school? >> Uh it is part of that because the whole East Toho project that you see out there it's massive. And I I think it's well

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over 100,000 units combined over there. And the student generation rate is going to be significant that we need multiple school sites out there, not just one. And right now, we have a shortage for a school site and maybe shortage for two school sites. So whether or not Bellotera is going forward or not, we

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still need a school site. And that that's important. Bellotera is still in litigation on that issue. >> If my mom was watching this meeting, she'd be yelling at me right now, I'm sure, because she was on school board. And oh, was she? Okay. >> Yeah, she she would find school sites all the time while she was on the school board. Uh, city attorney.

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>> Okay. And one more thing. >> Makes sense. Hold on. Let me ask city attorney. >> Well, I was gonna try to see if I could help simplify at least where we are tonight for the city council. I mean, I understand the school district's issue. I understand all the issues that Thomas has presented to you. And before I say that, I want to make sure something clear that

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>> that everybody understands the city does not issue school impact fee credits. >> Right? So that whole discussion I'm frankly confused [clears throat] by it because we do not I was confused. >> We have an interlocal agreement the same one that CMI has that says we will be

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the collection agent for impact fees for school impact fees. Our our agreement says we take two things to pay impact fees. We take money cash or we take a credit issued by the school district. Those are the only things that we do. So

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we're not involved in that process at all. So, I'm not sure what what that is, but but that's not really. So, I wanted to see if I can maybe simplify where we are as I see for the city council and I'm not arguing with what's gone on and all these issues. I think Tom has pointed out some issues. Him and I

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talked about it on the phone. I think Ann's comment that this is a issue of first impression here in OciOla County is probably pretty right on. The the the issue though what we have is we have approved an annexation agreement that accepts the entitlements in the county. The city council approved that in May.

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Right. So if there is as was just stated some provision within that those improve entitlements or those plans that were approved in the county that says this project can move forward but the school issue is going to have to be dealt with then that's what will carry with that

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project into the city. Does that make sense? So because that's all we've done. We've said you've got we've told the property owner they came to annex into the city. We were changing jurisdictions. They they were pretty far down the road in their entitlement process in the county. They went through

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all these issues. Whether these issues were exhaustively looked at by the school district, our staff wasn't part of that. We weren't we weren't what that was was the same process that is in that interlocal agreement that we talked about that the county and CMI and St.

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Cloud and the school district signed years ago, which is we're all going to cooperate to decide where the right school sites are, but the school district is going to have to tell the the the governments, you know, the county and the municipalities what schools they need and what and

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where the schools should be because we're not in the school business, right? So, >> yeah. And what's the case for delaying this? I mean, >> frankly, I I think if if what was just stated is accurate, and I don't have any reason that this came from the county

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with the understanding that the school issue was going to have to be addressed. And secondly, that the state requirements for the standards for the school says that a charter school has to be, as Tom pointed out, 20 to 24 acres, depending on where the what happens with the storm water on it. the public school

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has to >> so they both even even if they're entitled to build a charter school, right? >> But if the state law says the charter to build a charter school, it has to be 20 acres and that school has to be 20 acres to comply with the state law. But that's

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>> that's not a city issue. That's a state enforcement issue related to how that charter school that school been and I think that's what I just heard Tom saying which is in his letter. So the charter school has to meet the state standards for for schools, right? And

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that means 20 acres. >> So the negotiations would take place between the school district and the developer. >> Yes, sir. That's the way this way this process has always been. >> If if that pro if that site would be sold offered to be purchased by the

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school board. Our Iowa does not contemplate charter schools again >> interlocal agreement between between OIO between OA county uh city of St. Cloud and school board and city cass. >> Thank you. I I apologize I sounds like

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my grandma her name is [laughter] >> the existing interlocal agreement never envisioned charter schools being used to mitigate school impacts. That is something this is the first of its kind and that it came out of state legislation amendments that they

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happened last couple three years. So now charter schools eligible for impact fee credits for cost they may spend the developer for land or building for school. That was not part of the ISA agreement we currently have with the city and the school board. And there's no rules in place how to deal with that

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issue. >> So what would be the point of delaying this if the state's going to mandate that it >> I would like they sell a site anyway? The important part is is that is is to have a meeting. We'd like to meet with a developer to go over a seph raff design

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that would make sense either again >> that's the state requirement for educational facilities. >> Okay. >> And go over the sea requirement whether it's going to be a charter school or being a um a public school site for purchase by us either one. And the

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reason why we we want to do that is because again under the state law there's a there's a specific provision of state law that says this if a charter school fails the school board has to take it over but we have to take it over in a site that makes sense that has SRAF standards to it. >> Well to go along with what council

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member Fletcher said how come you're showing up tonight >> to say to to ask us to delay it? >> Well there's been a series of requests for meetings with the developer from the schoolboard staff that have not been reached. Okay. request for meetings to go over this issue. >> Okay. What if they continue to delay

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that? >> Well, then I think at that point we need to have an agreement. The city needs to limit their development approvals and make sure under under the ISA agreement that we have with you that we have a school site from the from this developer for purchase that addresses the impacts

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caused by the thousands of students that will be generated by this property and the surrounding properties that are coming forward. >> Uh deputy city man, I'm sorry, deputy mayor and It's you said that you've been trying to meet with them but they haven't complied, right? >> Yes. >> Have they tried to set meetings up with

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you and you haven't complied? >> Uh I don't believe so. >> I do believe so because I've understood from the developer. So that has happened. So it it's got to be a two-way street here. They've asked for meetings and you said no. And then you said, "Hey, let's have a meeting July 3rd."

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And and and back to uh uh Mr. Fletcher's comment is why isn't this pre-done? and and they've asked for meetings. I know because I've been documenting that they've asked and you denied them and then you asked for meetings for them on July 3rd and they said it's a fortress

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lie. So we we we why are we litigating between you two uh and Oyola we have a quasi agreement with them in the the >> an agreement with them. what >> we have an enforceable >> agreement >> enforceable agreement with them and now you're putting us in the middle of

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something that it it you two have not communicated but you're saying and you're point you're pointing the finger at them they're pointing the finger at you but that's just not true they've asked for meetings with you've not adhered to them now I have to believe them because Mr. Fletcher said, "Why

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haven't you done this six months ago?" And you said, "Well, we don't normally do it until everything's been approved." Well, it's planning. We're we're we're trying to do our best. And you said there's 10,000 units. And then you said, "Well, there's 3,500 units." And then you said, "If the charter school fails,

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then we have to pick it up." Well, what happens if a public school fails? >> Are you allowing me to to speak? >> Oh, well, I think you have to pick that up, too. I'm just saying with all these acronyms, you know, we're doing FSA right now, Florida Society Anesthesiologist, but but I I don't

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understand what what we're talking about here, but why are we the city in the middle of your negotiations between the developer and the school board at this point after we have an agreement that we will take whatever the ASO county says that they have agreed upon that we're

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supposed to have this quasi agreement? I I don't get I just don't get it, man. >> Let me ask Dan a question really quick before we answer. I'm sorry, Dan. >> Having us be the muscle for that, does that not set us to be the one to be held liable? >> Well, yeah,

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>> there is an inter there is a cooperation requirement in the statute that this city has to do with the school districts, which is where these interlocal agreements came from. >> So, we are obligated to cooperate with the school district as as well as OO County is, the city cm is pretty much it

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applies in every in every county in the state. And if I may, we this >> Are you done, Dan? >> Yeah, I'm sorry. So the the understanding that the charter school is being used for mitigation >> and therefore triggers the SREF, the

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SREF requirements, the developer did not understand that. That understanding they they pushed back when we told them that and in that's what started the series of requests for meetings. They asked for meetings with us. We needed time to dig

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into it to find out what exactly how exactly ESREF would apply to a charter school. This happened, it was around Memorial Day. Um, we went back and forth. We had to reschedu and then we tried to set up meetings in July. We offered them two different meetings. I followed up several times to see if

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their their uh staff were available and I I we never heard back. >> Okay. >> So, we we have been trying to meet, but it is because it is a case of first impression. the developer themselves, they were unaware that SE sref was going to apply to them.

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>> All right. >> It's it's important and this is Sarah and general counsel for the school district. It's important to understand that generally SRF does not apply to building charter schools. However, if the charter school is going to be used for mitigation, then a school that is

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being built for mitigation must adhere to SREF standards. Therefore, the school district is not opposed to having the charter school, but we need to make sure that whatever school is built to mitigate the students that are coming in

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is built to the state requirement for educational facilities, which is SREF standards. And one of the reasons for that is because if this charter school at any point was to close, the school district cannot take over that charter

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school, that facility, that building if it is not built to SSRF. So if the school was to close, there would be no school in that area that the school district could run. >> Wouldn't you guys oversee that part of it to ensure that it would be built per

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those standards? No, we don't because of >> Well, we probably don't do that either. >> That's another issue we got. The only the only SREF inspectors you have in Ocul County currently are schoolboard employees certified to it. That's my >> This is a new interesting one, isn't it?

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>> So, this is why we request some kind of a continuence so we can sit down and see if we can work something out with the applicant on this. This is a case of first impression. It's an important It's an important issue. That's what we're >> Okay. Council member Fletcher. Um,

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I guess my question is is whether we approve it tonight or not, you would still have to make sure that it met the SREF or whatever requirements. I mean, would we would be delaying their project and kind of holding it over their head saying, "Well, we're going to hold you up from doing this because these folks

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need you to meet these requirements, yet we have no control over schools at all." >> We have, >> unless I'm misunderstanding, >> there there has been, my understanding has been contracts going back and forth. Our typical approach to this is you have a land contract and a developer and a school board to purchase a site. You

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designate general a site is then you then you do a legal description. Then you do design later on. But you have a binding contract to sell an a 24 acre to 20 acre site to the school board. Price is then later determined after that. The location, the improvements are

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determined, all that stuff afterwards. But there's a contract and it's relatively easy to get that addressed within a short matter of time. And my understanding that contract has been going back and forth. >> Not yet. But we have a standard contract. The school board has a standard contract that's used by most

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developers and we've done that where purchase price is set with with the applicant and where the location is generally determined confirmed by later on. So these these these details won't take long. It's just a it's a boilerplate agreement that can be resolved fairly quickly.

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>> City attorney. >> Yeah. And so as as I'm listening more of the discussion, I do think it's an interesting issue, and I hate to oversimplify it, but I don't think it's really that complicated. There seems to be an at least an

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interpretation issue that maybe the developer understands now or didn't understand at one point regarding the size of the potential school site, right? So, I guess I really would like to know what their position is on that >> because if it seems to me that if they

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understand and interpret the law to mean they've got to that school site to be mitigation for the students that their development is going to generate has to be in the in the 20 acre range. School district is saying we're willing to buy that 20 something acres from them. And I guess the issue is they can build a

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charter school there. They could call it a charter school. However, but it's going to be it'll be built to the required standards that if we have to take over the charter school, the school district will be able to take it over because it will be built like a public school, right? >> Yeah. This the size of school. >> So, I guess that's the real issue. Is

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there a disagreement between us? And again, I I respectfully understand the all the arguments and all the lawyers that are here today, but one of the my smart council members over there, I really think the city is being put in the middle of this. >> Deputy mayor, did you want to speak now or

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>> just one one second? Uh uh you said we only wait till this time that the charter school is coming in and and this is we're at the end of the race. We're we're at the end of the gig and now you're saying okay you have to follow the school board will buy these 20 acres. Well they may have negotiated

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with the charter school already. So you're saying they can't negotiate with the charter school. You have to negotiate with the school. Although you can put a charter school in it. My idea is that it's a school choice now. And you said this is a precedence. Well, it's a precedence of school choice and

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and I love school choice. A private school, public school, home school. I love it. All that. Why are you putting us in the middle and why wasn't this done months ago? And you say, "Well, we wait till the end of the game to jump in and say you need to do this. We we've

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quasi through the county and and Mr. Fletcher said this has been months going on. Now you're putting this on us." Well, we have an existing agreement between the city of St. Cloud and the school board at this procedure at this mo at this point that a public school

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site shall be made available to the school board. That's a requirement of our agreement and we don't have that. And so then so then and our agreement is outdated in light what's going on with using charter schools for mitigation.

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And really we need to we need to look at our ISA agreement and see if that's in there. But it's but the charter school is not part of the ISA agreement. We're entitled to a school site. If you want to be technical about the the ISA agreement, the responsibilities on both parties attorney. >> Well, just I wanted to so in reality

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though that agreement that he's referring to the county is also a party of the agreement. So when this process was working through the county, >> right, the same things that you just said that apply to the city about applied to the county, right? So that's where I came back to the point that if

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the approvals when they went through the county were from the school district side was we're we object to this we're not we're we with it then those are what's incorporated in what was adopted in the city and those will play itself out >> right so I still would like to hear the

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position of the developer we've been talking to ahead >> just just real quickly so I am Ronda Blake I'm the director of planning services for the school district so from the very first time that this um residential development application showed up at Ocula County. Our comments

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have always been that the school district of Ocela County is requesting that the developer set aside 20 plus minus acres with off-site retention. And we have asked at times that the project

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not continue to move through until this mitigation agreement had been finalized. And so I've looked with Jeffrey and um and the entitlement letters that moved forward. The county's approval letters state our exact request inside of that and

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that they approved it with the understanding we would reach mitigation on that school site. So now as we've moved forward and the development has come through your um staff, we've continued with the exact statement that we are requesting a 20 plus minus acre

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school site with off-site storm water retention and it's to address the mitigation um that will be required from the capacity of the students that will be created with the development. So it whether this is a two-year project, a four-year project, I think it's a little

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longer than that. fan. Our statement has stood firm and we can show you every school capacity report for every time there has been a meeting and we have held, excuse me, we have held firm on that statement and then as um Mr. Ken was saying, if they would come to the

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table back at the county level, it is a very simple school capacity mitigation agreement. We put the name of the project in it. We lay out how many homes they're building, the types of homes. We are able to tell through the impact fee study the number of students that will be generated. That's how we know whether

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to ask for an elementary, a middle, a high school, a K8, etc. Um, and then that mitigation agreement is a triparty agreement between us, the developer developer, and whichever government entity is overseeing the project at that time. But we could show numerous times

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dating back from the beginning where we have attempted to work with this particular development and it just has not unfortunately been a good relationship and that is how we have gotten here this evening um until the new statutes just recently went into

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effect where you're now required to like your 120 days approvals and your 180day approvals if there's public hearings. We used to actually ask your staff, the city of CSM or the county to stop approvals before SDP if the mitigation

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agreements were not signed and executed. So, it's never been intended for you to play referee for us. But we are our concern is is if this continues to move forward and it takes a while to settle this out, their very first line of

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defense is going to be we've planned our whole community. We did it on 8 acres. We didn't do it on 20 acres and you're now going to cost us millions of dollars to redesign our development to find you 13 more acres. So the sooner we can

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resolve this, it's less money and cost to them and then we have what is necessary to have capacity for the students in their community. Earlier somebody asked about the Bellotera. So when all of the development east of

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Lake Toho was approved, 275 acres were set aside for schools. We have one in Cross Prairie. We have a K8 in Tohokua. We have a high school in Tohokua. We have a K8 in Edgewater West. We're working on that. We have a

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high school already secured in um Edgewater East. Um then we had the Belloterra which is in litigation and then Whley's Plat was the final piece. So when you took all the developments together, some K8's will go over to another development's high school, their

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high school kids will their K8 kids will come over. So it was all master planned way back in like 2010 and then it has just continued through the years and we've acquired each school site as it has come along and the last two are the way Plat school site and the Bellotera

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and they were always part of the master plan. I >> I think the problem here is I didn't find out about this until today. just because I was sitting in the city manager's office by chance >> and saw it sitting on a on a desk >> and then I happened to go to my office

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and saw the brown envelope with the >> the letter from Tom. >> So I think that's why it's probably just as new with the others as well. >> U council member Urban I I regardless of what has happened in the past, it doesn't sound like we're

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going to figure this out and I'm I don't really have interest in being the middleman. So I I would recommend the two parties figuring it out together and bringing it bringing it back to our next meeting. But that's what >> mayor just reminded like >> we'll listen to the develop

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>> I do want to I do want to respond to those but I I just want to make sure public comments over first so we can properly respond. >> Um >> not yet. Hold on. >> Okay. I have whenever you're ready. >> I haven't asked anybody else yet. >> Yes, sir. >> Anyone else in the audience like to speak on this item?

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>> Now it's over. Now >> [laughter] >> I didn't quite get it. Okay. Uh, thank you for your comments. Um, a lot of concepts being thrown at you and I want to get grounded back in the applications before you, which is

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assigning the future land use and the zoning following annexation of this property. That's what's for the council's consideration tonight. I I think even the school board outlined well that that that is all going to be subject to the approvals that we have

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with the county. Um, of course, Oyola County properly coordinated with the Oyola County School Board when this project was approved and I use the acronym A. The the all of those submitts to the the school board and that goes

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back to concept plan that goes to preliminary site plan, PS, and site plan. All of those were coordinated with the school board. Every single one of those were returned with a stamp that said pass. That's public record. And on top of that, this this charter school

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has an active agreement with the school board. And it was recently extended for being put on this specific parcel on this specific project. Not with notwithstanding the really important consideration tonight and not necessarily has anything to do with

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zoning and and future land use is the state requirement for educational standards. They do not mention acreage. They do not mention acorage. >> Did you say the charter school already has an agreement with the school board? >> Yes, mayor. >> The one that's going to plant on this. >> The school board executed it and

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extended it for this parcel. >> On top of that of we went through all the appropriate channels. Of course, this project is going to pay close to in excess of $29 million in school impact fees. And so any conditions that was raised or any

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any comment that was raised about acreage, and this is public record, they were advisory notes that the school board may request 20 acres. Certainly that's not something we can shoehorn into our future land use and zoning designation after we already have an

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approval which would require an entire redesign of the project. Uh so so the process has worked how it was supposed to with the county with the OciOla County School Board and no continuence is necessary to assign us the future land use and zoning that was already

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contemplated subject to the approved annexation agreement. And that's all that's before the council tonight. Can I ask Rhonda, can you please come back up? >> I mean, do we need to wake up the Dr. Chan off and [clears throat] ask him?

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>> No, go ahead Rhonda. >> Is there an agreement between the charter school and the school district? The actual charter school is going to plant on this property. So our choice and innovation department has multiple applications on file from different

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charter schools and their approvals are three to five years. Sarah, >> so there is an approval for this charter school, but this charter school approval is not for mitigation. So just because a charter school is approved does not mean that it is intended to be zoned for

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mitigation. We approved charter schools all over the county and that is why school choice is incredibly appro important but that does not mean that this was approved with the intent for it to mitigate the capacity of the development. >> Okay, I understand. So it's because of

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the Belloterra that was going to be the one for mitigation. >> No, there was >> way plat because that one didn't happen. You guys are moved it over. Charter schools can no there's supposed to be mitigation with Bellotera. There's

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supposed to be mitigation with why Plat approving a charter school is separate and apart from mitigation. Yes, there is a charter school approved. However, that does not mean that the school district intended for that school approval to be

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used for mitigation. Again, if that charter school is approved, it's approved as a charter school on a site where a charter school can build, not to SRF standards. That is separate and apart from the fact that the school district still needs an SRF site for

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mitigation. >> All right, let's say we approve this tonight. What damage does that do? I mean, y'all can still negotiate out a site. >> So, it would still be the concern. So, I can tell you already they have um applications on file with your staff

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under the name Tranquility Phase 1A. So, they're ready to hit the ground for their approvals to start building. So, if you start approving everything as it is today, it's only an 8acre site. So, if we reach agreement with them, the

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next line of defense for them will be you want us to redesign our entire development, you know, move lots, move roads, move whatever, etc. and then they'll talk about the millions of dollars that's going to cost and we all should have done this sooner. Well,

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we've been trying to do it since day one with OciOla County and now here we are many years later with arrest. There was a silent time during this and now it's back again and you've inherited it through annexation and we have

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consistently noted to your staff. We need them to come to the table and complete the agreement to mitigate the site and they've always held that they wanted to do the charter school instead. >> I mean I just wish we would would have heard about it. Hold on a second Tom.

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>> I wish we would have heard about it before today. How come I got a letter from Tom today and and by chance? I mean, it was just sitting on a desk, but the other one was in the mail. >> Can you give me one minute with with her, please? >> Oh, go ahead. Sure. >> You want to come back up here? >> Sure. >> Give me one. We're going to go ahead and

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get the developer back up here. >> I'm making a suggestion trying to get result. >> All right. Yeah, we're not in a courtroom right now. Let me go ahead. [laughter] >> Trying to avoid the back and forth, too. I mean, the reason that agreement like that doesn't exist because it's not required. I we we have an approval from from the county and and it went through

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all the appropriate channels including the provision of payment fees for school for school impact fees. We're not talking about credits tonight. That hasn't been introduced at all. We're talking about a project that's been approved and reviewed each and every stage by the school board and ultimately

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approved by the school board, excuse by the county. The fact the fact that a that an advisory comment existed and the county still approved it each and every time I think is further indicative that this was properly built with the with the accommodations of capacity. This is a proper charter school and there's one

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with an active contract with a payment of school impact fees. This is exactly how development should operate. It's in accordance with your JPA which is why we're here on annexation. And what we're asking for is our future land use and zoning by virtue of that annexation agreement. Of course, the statute speak

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to if we didn't have a designation of future land use and zoning, we just continue to operate under the county's future land use and zoning, which is what we have to do by the agreement anyway, which is why a continuance is not necessary and that we need to just approve what's required in the annexation agreement.

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>> All right. >> We got to figure something out here. >> I I >> Do we have a special council meeting coming up? >> Yes, we do. >> What date? What's the date? >> Seven. August 6th. 6th. >> Okay. I'm going to make a motion that we continue it to that one.

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>> That gives them three weeks. >> For what? >> That it's going to give them something. I mean, I I'm >> We'll We'll meet with the applicant and discuss solutions. >> It's And I agree. >> Yeah. Come on. We're trying to find a

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way through the night. >> No matter what. Hold on one second. >> We have to come back for this future land use. >> City attorney, >> you made a motion. Yeah, >> we got a second on it trying before we start arguing back and forth. >> Okay. Yeah, I'll go ahead and make a motion um to continue it to August

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>> sixth. >> Sixth. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Irvine. >> We can have some discuss >> now. We can discuss it again. Sorry. >> And and I just want to be clear as I just outlined every scenario ends with us achieving the future land use that's assigned in the annexation agreement. To

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the extent we don't, state law requires we comply with our existing future land use, which is what the annexation agreement always contemplated anyway of existing entitlements. A continuence and and we're happy to discuss with the school board, but a continuous achieves none of the various concepts that I

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think would only prove to frustrate the project. We are we have a designated future land use and zoning per the annexation agreement. That's what's before the council tonight. that's right for your review and vote and we're asking that you do so consistent with your staff's recommendation for approval. >> Yeah. And I understand that we have a

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great relationship with the school board in the school district and I think just with respect to that this is complicated and I don't I'm frustrated the fact that I just heard about it today. That's the problem I have with this. >> And even though your argument I kind of

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agree with you more on this. I think if we if we give it a few more weeks, it doesn't hurt anything. But I'm going to go and let Council Member Fletcher add to what he wants. >> Yeah, that was that was exactly what I was going to say. Um is I mean obviously go along with the the the continuence. I

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understand the frustration from from from your position. The future land use >> and in this application literally has nothing to do with anything that is being spoke about. >> Sure. >> Um nothing >> like absolutely nothing. And I don't I don't have the information in front of me when we annex this property, but it's

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just been sitting with no future land use and zoning since then, and literally nothing changes um regarding that if if this was approved. So um but I I'm willing to go with with the mayor to try to work it out because we do have a great relationship um with the school board um perhaps >> and as two two phases of this

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development are currently under review under city standards. So to the extent we need to operate under the county standards, we're going to have to >> for those reviews. >> Yes. Yeah. Deputy mayor, >> I I was just uh uh amazed by the the the uh school board saying, "Well, their

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defense is saying that we already have an agreement." How did you know that? How you guys are litigating in front of us that you already have that the defense is going to tell you you already have an agreement? We didn't know that.

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And and you you you flat out told me that the defense the developers are going to say, "Well, they're going to say we already have agreement." Well, they did. And they do. So now you're saying that agreement is squashed. You just It was just said to me. It was just I'll retract if we can

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get Jay to retract that. They said, "Hey, the the developers are going to say, "Yeah, they're going to say we already have an agreement." >> And that's what developments That's what developers think because you told me that's what they said. to the extent that we have relied upon our approvals.

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>> Right. [laughter] Right. >> Yes. There's absolutely that's >> a development pattern in place that's been in motion for close to five years. >> Yeah. And that is really out of respect and I don't know any any of the others in the room and and Dan knows how much I

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love attorneys. Um but we're not >> good point on staff, >> right? We are not going to sit here and figure this out and and be right on it >> either now or in three weeks from now. It

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>> but I'm at least extending that that uh privilege to the school district to be able to to you know come up with something. Um city manager >> I just wanted to clarify that staff's going to continue reviewing your project. Sure. We're not going to stop and wait until the special meeting. We

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can't issue any approvals obviously, but assuming that you guys come to terms, you know, staff is going to assist as as possible to make this happen. >> Yeah. And and I thought that was well stated by by the mayor as well. You know, I'm I'm land use council for the applicant. All all we can do is advise

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them to go through the process and avail ourselves to the system. Tonight, that is a sufficient future land use and resoning application consistent with an annexation agreement. or asking for approval on um the school the schoolboard matters are are not on the

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agenda tonight. They're not they they don't relate in any way to the comp plan and resoning and and I guess that's the frustrating part is when you avail yourself to a process and there's an agreement that decides where it should be. We'd certainly like to have our approval based on our sufficient

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application that's actually on the agenda tonight. >> Yeah. And I don't disagree with you on that obviously. I think that's on its face. Um, I don't think you're wrong, but I I do see that every time you make a statement, they're all shaking their heads in disagreement with it. So, I

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think three weeks from now is >> three weeks, I don't think it'll hurt anything as long as staff continues moving forward. I think we're going to reach the end goal and just let cooler heads prevail on this one and, you know, give it a little breather. >> Dan, >> no. I'm just think you're ready for

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calling your question. >> All right. I made the motion. We have a second from >> second. >> Do we have Did you second it? >> Yeah, he did earlier. >> All right. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Urban. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Sorry, Council Member Fletcher. Did you have something else?

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>> The only thing that I was just going to follow up and say would say was is there any major harm in and all of that of waiting the three weeks? And I would assume that the answer would be would be no, except it's just, you know, three weeks. So, I mean, three weeks is three weeks. >> Yeah. I I think at this juncture we've

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we've had we've had applications in since you know the first of the year. Um I think even before that and we're hoping to continue to just for ourselves to the due process of getting approvals based on a valid application. So thank you for the questions. >> It's just going to delay the lagoon,

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right? Isn't this the lagoon one? >> Yes, maybe. >> All right. Can we uh call the role again, please? >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Nay. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Nay. >> Council member Paul. I, >> Mayor Robertson. >> I >> motion carries 32.

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>> Thank you for your time. >> So, just for everybody's information, that special council meeting is not at 6:30. It's earlier. It start there's a CRA meeting at 3:00 and the council meeting starts after that. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, members of the commission. Thank you.

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>> Okay. >> Yes, sir. Thank you all very much. Tonight, >> what >> the next one? >> What was the date of the meeting? >> August 6th. >> August 6th. It's not at 6:30 though. We'll give you >> starts at two. >> Those two items. >> It's on the back. It's on the very last

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page bottom on the information section. >> I'll make sure they know. >> Number three. >> Thank you. >> That was the first. >> Yeah. Have all the attorneys now left the room? >> No. [laughter]

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>> I still got one. >> Two of them. >> All right. Uh, will the clerk please read item number? >> Are we on four? Because we did three already. >> We're No, we're on three. >> We're still on three. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Number three. >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-24. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Florida providing a zoning amendment a zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Florida specifically changing the zoning designation approximately plus - 7.17 acres identified as Nova Road out

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parcels project CMA 25-000022 from CCC Community Center CPS County to CCC Community Center Core City generally located north of East Fer Bronson Memorial Highway East of Nova Road south of Wondrous Place west of Bradley Drive

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providing for entering designation official zoning map filing and planning commission's recommendations proof of publication serability and effective Good evening, council members, mayor, uh Jeffrey B, community development director. I'll make this real quick. Uh this is ZMA25-000022.

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This is a an encumbrance zoning request. Um this is uh the future land uses uh community center uh the existing zoning is community uh center core county. The

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proposed zoning is community center core with the city. The development is compatible with the surrounding area. There's no adverse impacts to city facilities. The density would be anywhere between 18 units to 40 units to

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the acre. It's approximately 7.17 acres. It was annexed into the city limits via ordinance 25-37 on May 27th, 2025. So this is the uh land use.

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This is the existing zoning. And so staff recommendation is approval of ordinance 2026-24. Planning commission approval or planning commission recommendation was approval of ordinance 2026 24. Staff is

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requesting approval of city council of ordinance 2026 24. Happy to answer any questions. Can you go back to the out parcels and show the map? >> All right. So, the existing is 18 to 20 units. Is that what it said?

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>> 18 to 25 or >> And what's the change to? >> It's the same. It's the same thing. This is this was an encumbrance annexation. And so we're assigning the same land use that or that I'm sorry, the same zoning

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that this uh county has. >> All right. Thank you. >> In all honesty, mayor, this is going to be developed as commercial because it's right on the intersection on over road 192. >> Yeah, that's what I was hoping. >> All right. Would the applicant like to speak on this item?

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Another attorney. >> Our favorite one though. Our second favorite one. Sorry. [laughter] I I'll take that. I'll definitely take that. Joe Thacker, 17 South Orlando Avenue, CMI. Um, we agree with staff's

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report. We are here to answer any questions. I'm going to be the easiest thing you do tonight. >> No storage units, right? Or Dennis's office or >> shop. They are still trying to figure out what they're going to put on there.

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um they would love to have storage units because of the required density, but they understand that the city doesn't like storage units. >> Yeah, especially with that Walmart going down that way. We'd love to see more restaurants. >> Yeah, give us karabas or something.

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>> They have already uh talked about some restaurants there. >> Very cool. Thank you. All right. Any anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right. Council. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve. Council member

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Fletcher. Second from Council Member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5-0.

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>> Will the clerk please read item number four? >> Public hearing for resolution number 2026-079R. A resolution of the city council of city of St. Kell, Florida, granting granting [clears throat] conditional use for alcohol beverage estab establishment at 441513 street on highway business HB

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district zoning on the plusus 13.53 acres land known as Dylan Plaza allowing for the applicant to serve beer and wine as accessory to their prime primary business's barberh shop service as described in the body of this resolution. Jeffrey B, community development

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director. This is a condition to use for an existing barber shop to serve alcohol uh for on premise consumption in conjunction with the primary use of uh barber shop. So this is a conditional

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use. It's 26-00001. Uh the staff recommendation is approval with conditions. This is located an existing uh public shopping center. It is uh suite number 006.

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So the the future land use is commercial zoning is highway business. The primary use is existing barbershop. The proposed condition use would allow for onremise consumption of beer and wine accessory to barbershop. The condition use uh request to enhance existing primary use.

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There's no structural changes to the site that are being proposed. So [clears throat] this is the layout or concept plan. You can see from that, it might be a little bit hard to see, but it's actually suite number 006. It's

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between the UPS store and the Buffalo Wild Wings up in that um general vicinity. So this is the land use zoning staff recommendation is approval with

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conditions of resolution 2026-079R. Approval of the requested kit is use does not constitute approval of the provided concept plan. Changes to the site will require approval of a site development plan and any additional approvals required by the land development code. Just so I put it on

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record, there are no proposed changes that would require a site development plan at this time. It's just a boilerplate con uh condition that we put on. So special condition number two is this approval for the cut factory located at 441513th

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Street, unit 006 only. Upon the business leaving the subject property, the commission use shall expire. So pling commission recommendation was approval. Uh staff is recommending city council approval of resolution 2026-079R

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with conditions stated in the staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you. >> You guys sign up for your haircuts already? [laughter] >> Um no. Would the applicant like to speak on this item? >> All right, councel. >> I just have one comment. It it says

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alcoholic beverage establishments. So these are alcoholics that go to establishment of the bar. No. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Did I read that wrong? Did it say alcohol or alcoholic? >> Alcohol lick. [laughter] Alcoholic.

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>> So, I would I would disapprove it if alcoholic give you I would not not encourage that, but >> really does say that alcoholic beverage. [laughter] >> Uh, yes, Council Fletcher. Um, >> the only question that I had in that in that shopping center, isn't there a

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liquor store there? Is there any provisions in there for um that they could not bring in any outside beverages >> in there? Is do we have any restrictions on that? So like nobody could come in with something from the liquor store. >> Code doesn't uh do that um have that

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provision. I don't know if the state has any provisions that you can't bring anything there, but that would be part of the state. So after if if they're successful tonight, they would still have to get their state alcohol license thereafter. >> Okay. I was just making sure that if we approve this that like they couldn't go

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over there and get a bottle of whatever and just come over and hang out in the barber shop. >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? >> All right. Council >> motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban.

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>> Second. >> Second from Council Member Fletcher. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5-0. >> Thank you.

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>> Will the clerk please read item number five, >> public hearing for resolution number 2026-000 077R, a resolution of the city council, city of St. Cloud, Florida, amending [clears throat] resolution number 2025-098R, which adopts fiscal year 2025 2026

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budget for the city of St. cloud finding the city manager has certified their prior year fund balances and or current revenues available in the budget for additional projects and programs in various funds not included in the original budget requiring the budget to be increased to include set additional funding in the various funds and making supplemental appropriations within the

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fund. >> Good evening Jeff Cooper, finance director. This is budget amendment number four. The city manager certified funds are available to appropriate for these projects. Uh let me begin by

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saying none of these are funded with tax dollars. So the first item is a total of 11,000 in revenue from prior year fund balance and 11,000 in expenditures for parks and recreation natural resources operating supplies to utilize tree bank funding

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for trees for Peg Horn Way. These funds come from developer contributions into the tree bank fund as they are required for the various projects. So this is not utilizing tax dollars although it is in the general fund.

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The next item is a total of 278,000 in revenue for interfund transfer and 115,000 in donations from OOA county for the following project. Uh this is capital projects funds and this is PR2604

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Hickory Tree Park 393,000 total. And this is the 278,000 in revenue from prior year fund balance and 278,000 in expenditures for interfund transfer for

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the same project. And this is parks impact fees which as previously mentioned cannot be used for like ongoing operational costs. It's like new new parks, expanded parks and so forth.

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The next item is two is 750,000 in revenue from prior year fund balance and 750,000 in expenditures for buildings for the purchase of a downtown property to expand accessible public restrooms and parks dedicated storage. Uh that is

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parks impact fees as well. Another 750,000 in revenue from prior year fund balance and 750,000 in expenditures for buildings for the purchase of 1401 New York Avenue for

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park upgrades. Um that's adjacent to um the Veterans Park. That is also parks impact fees. A total of 347,744 in revenue from prior year fund balance and $316,633

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in insurance proceeds for for expenditures of $345,500 for a used side loader truck to replace one that was totaled. uh 200,000 in increased vehicle maintenance costs uh

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for our sanitation fleet and $118,877 for the scale house replacement. This is the sanitation fund. And finally, a total of 300,000 in state grants from the Florida Dund,000

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for project SW2602, storm water dam. This is the storm water fund and this item will be on your council action um following the public hearings. Uh staff recommendation is approval of

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resolution 2026-077R and we're requesting city council approve resolution 2026-077R. >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? >> Council. >> Motion to approve.

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>> Motion approved. Council member Paul second. Council member Irvin. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Bert. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5-0. >> Thank you very much.

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>> Thank you, Jeff. >> Will the clerk please read item number six? >> Final public hearing for ordinance summer number 2026-17. An ordinance of the city council of city of San California amending chapter 3 article 4 agricultural zoning districts and article 5 residential zoning districts for permit for permitted accessory unit

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uses and setback requirements amending article 14 uses reg use use regulations section 3.14.3 accessory dwelling units ADU of the land development code to require impact fee parking requirements for two two family and multif family dwelling zoning districts R-2 R-3 and

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R-4 providing for serverability conflict codification publication effective Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jeffrey B, community development uh director. This is uh the ordinance to uh do the changes that was directed by city council on

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accessory dwelling units, ADUs. Um went too far. So background accessory dwelling unit standards established through ordinance 2023-45 requires two additional improved parking spaces. Impact fee payment at single

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family right allows for a garage to accommodate the parking requirements. The city council requested on January 9th, 2025 an amendment to come forward to remove the parking and impact fee requirements. At the April 9, 2026 meeting, council requested to leave the

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parking and impact fee requirements for two and multif family zoning districts only. The proposed amendments adds accessory dwelling unit language in agricultural and residential zoning districts. Remove the parking and impact fee requirements for agricultural and single family zones

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only in A, R-1, R1- A, R1B, and R2A. prohibi prohibits garages for detached accessory dwelling units. Staff recommendation is approval of ordinance 2026-17. Planning commission uh recommended

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approval of ordinance 2026-17. Staff is requesting city council approval of ordinance 2026-17. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? All right. Uh, we received a y'all have

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the letter from Ocula County Association Realtors in support of this and council comments or a motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Paul. Will the clerk please call the role?

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>> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. Motion carries 5-0. >> Just in time. >> Sorry. 63. >> All right. Will the clerk please read

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item number seven? >> This is the one. Um, if I if I may, mayor, we need to read 12 before we read seven. >> All right. >> And they can be read together. >> All right. But we got to read number 12 first. >> You got to you got you have to take action on 12 before you can take action

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on. >> All right. Will the clerk please read item number 12? Final public hearing for ordinance summer 2026-32. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cal Florida signing future land designation approximately plus minus 27.26 26 acres identified as Steven Lee Russell Memorial Park project CPA-20 26-00005

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generally located north of Brianna Street east of Missouri Avenue south of Sky Drive and west of South Indiana Avenue for employment and institutional to park open spaces providing for amending future a future fan future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's

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recommendations proof of publication applicability effect severability copies on file and effective date final public hearing For ordinance number 2026-25, an ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cal, Florida, providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. Cal, Florida,

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specifically changing zoning designation approximately plus - 27.26 acres identified as um Stephanie Lee Rossa Memorial Park. Additional parcel or parcel projects ZMA25-000023 from A agricultural to O open spaces recreational generally located north of

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Briana Street east of Missouri Avenue south of Sky Lake Drive and west of South Indiana Avenue providing entering the designation official zoning map filing planning recommendations proof of publication building effective date. Good. Good evening. Jeffrey B, community development director. These two

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applications is for the Stephanie Stephanie Lee Rossy Memorial Park CPA and ZMA case DRC case numbers CPA26-00005 ZMA 25-0023. This is a comprehensive plan amendment

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and zoning map amendment. Uh this is a cleanup applications. Uh staff is recommending approval. The existing future land use is employment and institutional. The proposed future land use is parks and open space. Existing zoning is agricultural.

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Proposed zoning is O which stands for open space and recreational facility. There's no adverse impacts on city facilities. Approximate acre acreage of the properties is 27.26. The northern uh parcel is currently

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developed as the Stephanie Lee Rossi Memorial Park. Stephanie Lee Rossi Memorial Park was reszoned from agricultural to o open space recreation through ordinance 2025-55 on November 13, 2025.

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So this is the existing future land use. You can see the property in the middle. And so this is the um existing zoning. So staff recommendation is approval of ordinance 2026-32

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and 2026-25. Planning commission recommendation was approval of ordinance 2026-32 and 26 or 2026-25. Staff is uh requesting city council approval of ordinance 2026-32

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and 2026-25. Staff is happy to answer any questions. >> All right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on item number 12 and council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Will

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the clerk please call the role? C >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5 Z. >> And will the clerk please read item number seven? I'm sorry. Uh, can I get a motion on item number seven?

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>> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. Hi. >> Council member Paul. Hi. >> Council member Urban. Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. Hi. Motion carries. 5

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Z. Will the clerk please read item number eight? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-27 ordinance of the city council of city of St. Florida amending chapter 3 professional I mean performance inciting standards in article 14 use regulations section 3.14.5 alcoholic beverages

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establishments providing for conflict serability administrative corrections codification publication effective date [clears throat] >> mayor this this uh ordinance change >> you're good keep going >> um needs to be continued uh for a sta

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the staff error >> we're going Continue number eight. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> We're asking be continued to the >> motion to continue. >> We have a motion from Deputy Mayor Gilbert to continue. Second from Council Member Urban.

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>> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 5. >> And just to clarify, that's continues to the August 20th. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. Will the clerk please read item number nine? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-28. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cloud Florida amending chapter 30 parks and recreation article 1 in general sections 30-9 30-9 smoking pro prohibited to further define

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smoking to add lakefront area where smoking is defined and as is prohibited providing for conflict servability administrative corrections codification publication effective date. >> City attorney. Yeah, mayor. Before Stephanie gives her presentation on this item, in front of you is a copy of the

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ordinance that was in your packet with some yellow highlighting on it, [clears throat] we recently found out there some new research with regard to the definition of smoking here in the in the uh state. So, we made some revisions to the definition that's set forth in the ordinance. I think Stephanie's got

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them in her PowerPoint that she's going to present to you, but the highlighted the ones highlighted in yellow are the ones that are different from the ordinance that was in your packet. Thank you. >> All right, Stephanie. >> Good evening, Mayor Council. Stephanie

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Hol Camp Parks and Recreation Director. Uh before you tonight is ordinance number 2026-2026. Um, it proposes amendments chapter 30 of the city code regarding smoking in public parks. Uh, the primary p purpose is to expand

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the existing smoking prohibition to include the city's lakefront park. Some background information at the uh May 15th uh council meeting, local representatives of students working against tobacco urge the city to ban

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smoking at the lakefront. So, council directed city staff to draft these changes, which is the ordinance in front of you tonight. Uh, the updates to the ordinance expand the definition of smoking and extend the prohibition to include lakefront park.

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Uh, the purpose of this, you know, obviously to protect public health and safety, create cleaner public recreational uh spaces to include, you know, cigarette butts that are left on the ground, clarify what constitutes smoking. Um, it also supports public health, safety, and welfare, and it

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expands the smoke-free areas to include Lakefront Park. Our current city code already prohibits smoking in city parks, recreational mar uh recreational areas, and athletic

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facilities. Um, it it just doesn't currently list Lakefront Park, which this one does. the proposed changes. Again, it adds lakefront parks as a smoke-free area, expands the legal definition of smoking.

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Um, to Dan's point, it updates prohibited uh products to include ignited tobacco products and electronic tobacco products while recognizing that we the city may not further restrict the smoking of unfiltered cigars.

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>> What is it? Um, and it requires us to put appropriate signage, which we we would do. [snorts] Um, benefits, we'll have cleaner parks in the lakefront area, reduce litter from the cigarette butts, reduce secondhand smoke exposure, better

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experience for all families and visitors at our lakefront parks and parks in general, and it supports healthy recreational environments. Uh, enforcement. Um, this would It would be violations are subject to penalties under section 1-15 and article

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six of the city code. The first violation obviously we're going to focus more on education and and getting the word out about um not that this has passed but it reduc they would receive a notice and guidance on the corrective action needed to achieve compliance. The

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second violation would be removal from the park and any subsequent violations may result in enforcement actions including trespass from city property. Interesting. Um we spoke with the city of CMI um and asked them they have a similar ordinance and asked them how it

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was going if they've had to you know trust people people from parks or act actually issue citations and they they have uh the parks department at least um they haven't directly really had to approach anybody. Uh the police department reported that they haven't

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really had to trust any anybody. It was just more of an education like hey you can't smoke in public parks. They put it out move on. Staff recommends approval of ordinance number 2026-28 and city council requested action is to

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approve the ordinance as well as 2026-28 and I'm here to answer any questions. >> All right. Thank you. And would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? We have Fiorella Orasco. >> She had to leave. >> She had to leave. Yes, we'll bring her back to the next meeting with a few

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other students so that they can speak to >> Yes, ma'am. Would you all like to speak on this item? >> No. Okay. Um I share my concerns with the police chief. Um we're I have concerns about

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the enforcement of this, of course. Uh if if somebody's out there smoking and say somebody reports it to an officer and say that person doesn't want to put it out, what then? >> You know, Chief, >> I'd love to.

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>> You want me to hit the small one or you want to go to the big one? >> No, little one's fine. >> U obviously it shows there's a progressive type of action that's going to occur. Um we will instruct them to put it out. If they refuse to put it out, um they risk being ejected from the park. If they refuse to leave the park,

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they be become a trespass issue. Once it's a trespass after warning issue, they could potentially face um arrest. So, they could be arrested. >> Okay. >> For trespass after warning. >> All right. And this is something that we have at other parks as well

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>> currently. Yeah. >> Everything. Nobody's allowed to smoke at any parks >> except the lakefront. >> Except the lake >> right now. And that's what this is doing. >> Yes. All right, council. What is y'all's thoughts on this? >> The only thing I I was the July 4th

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holiday. Uh there's 23,000 people and >> lighting up a lot of smoke. >> I didn't I besides the fireworks. I didn't see any. Maybe I just oblivious to it because there's so many folks there. And I I I don't want you to write tickets for littering, nor I do I want

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you to write tickets for smoking. But um I I like the ordinance, but I don't think it's we need to really the enforcement of it. I don't think it's going to be that difficult. But I don't know, Chief. It's it's it's your your folks. >> It's it's the no people that that try to

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challenge us is going to be the challenge. But I I assure you they will be grossly mistaken if they don't trust our resolve. So >> that the same people you pull up for a ticket, they don't want to give you a driver's license. >> Yes. Then they get a free ride with us, too. They got a ride in the [clears throat] back of the car. It's

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pretty cool. A lot of cool stuff. And they get bracelets and everything. It's really cool. [laughter] They get a lot of cool stuff. >> This isn't stand up hour. [laughter] >> I at this point we're going on hour six. So, I figured why not? Let's have some fun. I mean, why not? We're almost there. This is a marathon. So, we get

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out of here at 3:00 a.m. Everything will be good. [laughter] >> Um, >> you make a good talk show. That was [laughter] >> um I was approached by some of the the representatives from this group actually at Hopkins Park. I believe they provided some some information or the information

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was provided to me. Um and I I fully support it. Um I unfortunately do smoke um and support it for the many reasons that are outlined in all the information that that was provided whether it be you know the littering aspect or education of our youth etc etc. And by supporting

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it, I'm sure um there's gonna be a bunch of people that are gonna come up to me and go, "I can't believe you just banned smoking and whatnot." But I fully support it. So >> switch to a cigar, you're good. >> Yeah. >> It's not my fault. The state preempts you. >> Walk around with cigars. There you go.

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>> It's actually right in the law. >> The cigar lobby in Tallahassee must be strong. >> That's right. >> All right. Thank you very much, Stephanie. Thank you, Chief. >> Feel like I'm on a game show like >> Hey, Stephanie. Thanks for hanging out for so long. I know you've been here for as long as we have.

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>> All right. Can we get a motion on this item? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. >> And that would include the changes in the version that's in front. >> That includes the changes because those already apply to the others, right? >> Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Or this applies it to all of them as well. >> Applies it to [snorts] all of them. >> Did it already apply to them? >> It it updates the definition to deal with the recent developments in the law. Gotcha. And it would apply to everywhere that smoking is prohibited. >> Yes, sir. Uh, will the clerk please call the role?

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>> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries. 5-0. >> Thank you. All right. Really quick, can we take a fiveminute break? We've got the homeschool kids still here. They want to get get to bed, but let's take a

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quick picture with them real quick. >> They've been hanging out. So, uh, >> give everybody a few minutes. I think you should move fast. Don't let them back. [laughter] >> Tell them it was denied. >> Yeah. >> In fact, there's bonus points.

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>> Nay. >> All right. We're going to go ahead and call this meeting back to order. Uh, will the clerk please read item number 10? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-29. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cal Florida signing and future landing designation approximately plus minus46.11

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acres identified as public safety complex project CPA 26-00007 generally located north of Nulti Road east of Budding Avenue south of Juliana Court and west of Kuk Road from mixed use institutional providing for many official future land use map of the comprehensive plan following the planning commission's recommendations

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proof of publication applicability effect serverability copies of file and effective date. >> Can can you read the next item too because it's a campaign? >> Yep. Will the clerk please read item number 11? >> Final public hearing for ordinance number 2026-30. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Cal Florida

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providing a zoning amendment of the zoning map of the land development code of the city of St. includ Florida specifically changing the zoning designation of approximately plus minus 46.11 acres identified to public safety complex [snorts] project CMA 26-00006 from MIX mixed use to P professional

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generally located north of noty road east of Buddinger Avenue south of Juliana Court and west of Kuki Road providing for the entry in the designation official zoning map filing on the planning planning commission's recommendations proof of publication effective date >> Jeffrey Ball community development

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director this is the CPA ZMA for the public safety facility complex. Uh CPA26-00007, ZMA26-00006 ordinance 2026 29 and 2026-30.

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This is comprehensial plan amendment and zoning map amendment. Staff recommendation is approval. Background on on this. The existing future land use is mixed use. The proposed future land use is institutional. Existing zoning is [clears throat] mixed use. The proposed

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zoning is professional. There's no adverse impacts on city facilities. Project acreage is approximately 46.11 acres. This is the future land use existing zoning.

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Staff recommendation is approval of ordinance 2026-29 and 2026-30. Planning Commission recommendation was approval of ordinance 2026-29 and 2026-30. City council requested action is

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approval of ordinance 2026-29 and 2026-30. Staff is available for any questions. Thank you. >> You know, I'm not quite sold on this project yet. [laughter] >> Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item?

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>> All right. Anyone but Chief Gerky? [laughter] Chief, would you like to say anything? >> Oh, stop. >> No, sir. This is a long time coming. So, please thank you if I'm here if you have any questions. >> Yes, sir. It is a long time coming. Uh, >> Alex Rodriguez, would you like to speak

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on this item? >> Alex Rodriguez, 2517 Bull Rush Drive. Um, very for the complex going up, right, and changing the zoning. As a concerned parent, I just want to bring to your awareness. I don't know if you've ever been down that road, but school buses do

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stop in the middle of the road with all the construction of the north side of Steven Plantation and now the complex coming through. I just want to make aware that the streets there should be brought up into

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future expansion of the roads just because of all the construction happening there and the school buses not being able to go into those communities that are right off of the complex um and they stop in the middle of the road. That's all I wanted to bring up to your

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attention. Uh thank you for your time. >> Great concern. Um, I believe what's the plan on the county widening that road? Do we know the timeline yet, >> Kevin? Do you know the timeline on that? I I think they're in the in the right-of-way acquisition phase. I [clears throat] think they finished the PD&E.

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>> Good almost. Good morning. Uh, good evening, Kevin Finger. Uh, [laughter] public works director. Uh, well, that right now we finished the PD&E for Canoe Creek Road. Um, but like I said, the county has broken up into a northern phase and a southern phase. um breaking

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up as I said and so uh from 192 down to uh um Pine Tree Old Canoe Creek Road um I said they have that in the 2045 plus area for when they're going to look at construction for that and then south of Pineree they're in the process of trying

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to start the design uh from Pine Tree down to Deer Deer Run. Um, so I said, so, uh, the the the stuff between 192 and, um, and Old Canoe Creek Road is, uh, still a ways off from being completed. >> Council member Urban,

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>> did you say they're not even going to start construction until 2045? >> It's [snorts] in their 20 2045 plus plan, I believe, is what the maps show it as. >> I thought it would be completed by then. Okay. >> Thank you, >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I I know uh one of the places on the

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road, they're already asking for eminent do domain. So, uh, I'll follow up with that and give you an update on Metro Plan if I may. Uh, I if I if I may. I I know that's part of the plans, but I'll give you some accurate dates next time we speak. >> I appreciate that, Deputy Mayor, because that's a road that should have been

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widened yesterday, right, >> 10 years ago. >> Understood. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone else in the audience want to speak on this item? >> Couple >> motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Paul.

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>> Second. Second. Council member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries. 5-0. >> And will the clerk please read? I'm

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sorry. We got to take two votes, right? >> Which one was that other one? Hold on. >> 11. >> Yes. On number 11. [clears throat] Let's do the vote on number 11. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role?

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>> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> My brain shuts off at midnight. >> All right. Now we've got uh council action. Will the clerk please read

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council action number one? >> Resolution number 2026-072R. A resolution of the city council of citizen cal Florida accepting a grant award from the state of Florida department environmental protection for the sole source p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p purchase of tiger dam systems for US flood control corpse

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authorizing the city manager to execute the documents necessary for the implementation administration and execution of the grant on behalf of the city of St. Cloud and providing an effective date. >> Good evening. Kevin Finger, public works director. Um this is uh the grant that we received for $300,000. [snorts] Uh we

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approved it earlier tonight. the the funding in uh the budget amendment from earlier today. I said, this is for purchasing uh Tiger Dams. Um that's kind of a picture right there of what a Tyru dam is. Um like I said, so these will be all be able uh be able to be deployed um

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in areas where we're expecting any kind of uh either before flooding or afterwards be able to help protect either structures or um we also anticipate that we'd be able to use them down where we uh at one point we used uh earth and dams to be able to block off certain areas. we don't be able to be able to deploy these. Um, they basically

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can be filled up with water as opposed to having to use be used for earth and dams. I said we are purching $300,000 worth of uh of product and I said are getting a $300,000 grant. So there'll be no money out of pocket for the city.

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So we recommend approval. >> Sure takes some time to get that money from the state, doesn't it? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. And anyone in the audience like to speak on this item council? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> So moved. >> Second from Council Member Urban. Will

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the clerk please call the RO? >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. Motion carries 5. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Kevin. Will the clerk please

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read item number two, council action. Resolution number 2026-078R, a resolution of the city council, city of St. Cl approving an agreement for the purchase of approximately 0.9 acres of certain real property included 1,880 foot building located at 1222 10th

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Street, St. Cloud required for the expansion of public facilities for the purchase price of 731,500 from Bobbercha authorizing the mayor to sign the purchase and sale agreement authorizing the city manager to perform all acts necessary appropriate to close on the property and as provided herein.

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Uh good evening uh uh city council members. Jabari Walker, assistant city manager. Uh so resolution number 2026078R is to approve the purchase agreement for 1222 10th Street.

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So uh this parcel uh well as the city has been looking to make improvements to Centennial Park, uh the the opportunity to purchase this uh parcel has uh came up. The goal uh the city is looking to do with this is to develop it for future

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amenities for Centennial Park. Um the like like the clerk said, the cost is uh 731,500. Uh that is park and wreck impact fees uh plus associated uh closing cost.

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>> Uh staff recommendation approval and um we hope that we are requesting that the city council approve as well. >> All right. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Council member Fletcher. >> Um, what was the appraisal amount on this property? >> The appraisal.

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Let me give it >> I think I emailed it also. Um, 665. >> Yes. Okay. Thank you. And just to um remind the city council, we had we had been looking at purchasing a modular um so when this when the

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property owner um agreed uh we were we were quite excited. We we tried to purchase this property several years ago. Um and he um it didn't work out. So um it was it was happy to we were happy to have this opportunity. There is a tenant in there now who we've I have I

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did tell him that I I [snorts] do report to five council five council members that may tell me, you know, to act differently, but that for now we'd like to give him the opportunity to find another location in St. Cloud or to build another location. So, he'll be paying rent in the meantime.

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>> Yeah. and the the appraisals based on other buildings, but the replacement cost of trying to replicate what's there, I think would be much more to to develop a site like that and build what's there. [clears throat] So, um, Deputy Mayor Gilbert, >> uh, I like this, uh, spot. It was 1956

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is built in. Uh, I like the two separate doors. It's already ready for a male and female uh, washroom, restroom. Um, just the the, uh, operation of of of when it's operational. uh we have to really look at that because the there's

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sometimes riff raff going on when it's not a city event or things such as that. So I don't know how we do that. I don't know if it's the police or or parks and wreck, but but I I love it. I love the the the separation of male and female uh uh areas that we can put restrooms in. I

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think the downtown area needs it. That's what I've had a lot of u a lot of our citizens ask where can we go and then we bring in these portable units which get kind of costly for. I I love the idea. I just want to make sure that it's it's safety, not a place for people to go uh

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247, if that makes any sense. Uh and again, I'm not not against homeless or or people with health, but these are places that they tend to go to wash and and we want to use it as a public restroom facility, but I'm not against anybody with a hand up and a hand out

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because I I I do that a lot. But I like it. Uh cost is it, but I think downtown area think it's perfect. I I I really do, mayor and and council. So, I'd like your opinions, but I I would like to motion to approve if we could, please. >> Plus, it's adjacent to property that the city currently owns here in the parking

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lot. So, >> all right. Any other council comments? I think I took public comment. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this council? >> Any motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Second.

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>> Second. Council member Urban. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> No. >> Council member Paul. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 41.

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>> All right. We did number three already, correct? >> Yes. >> All right. Will the clerk please read item number four? >> Resolution number 2026-102R. Resolution of the city council of city of St. Cloud, Florida, approving an agreement for the purchase of approximately 0.241 acres of certain

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real property, including 3,640 square foot building located at 1401 New York Avenue in St. Cloud and requiring for the expansion of the park recreation needs for the purchase of 700,000 from William Michael Young, authorizing the mayor to sign the purchase and sale agreement authorizing the city manager to perform all acts necessary

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appropriate to close the property as provided herein. So once again, uh, Jabari Walker, assistant city manager. Resolution 2026 10 uh 102R, excuse me, uh, is another purchase, uh, a purchase agreement

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approval for 120, excuse me, it's late. 1401 New York Avenue. Uh, so uh, the city has been looking to make improvements at Veterans Park. This, uh, parcel sits, uh, right next to Veterans Park. This uh this parcel will allow the

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city to develop additional amenities for Veterans Park and the surrounding area in the near future. The cost is 700,000 uh and it is from parks and Rex impact fees paid by the new development um plus uh closing cost.

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So the staff recommendation is uh for approval and we're requesting uh approval from the city council. >> All right. Anyone in the audience like to speak on this item and council comments? And can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve.

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>> Motion to approve. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Urban. >> Will the clerk please call the role? >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> I'm sorry. >> He said I. >> Okay. Council member Fletcher,

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[laughter] >> Council Member Fletcher I [laughter] >> Council Member Paul >> I. >> Council member Urban >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> You're well. >> I heard you. >> Will the clerk please?

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>> All right. Uh number five is moved to August 6th. On to the first readings. Sorry, >> the truck that got moved up from >> Oh, yes. We moved um we moved the item from consent to be the last council

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action item. >> All right. Show me the >> Yes. Come on, Kevin. >> Oh, yeah. The truck. I saw [laughter] >> that is item number >> number 12 from consent agenda.

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>> I see that. Will the clerk please read item number 12? >> Resolution number 2026-101R, a resolution of the city council of Citizen, California, Florida, authorizing negotiated procurement with RDK truck sales for the purchase of one

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2023 MAC LR64-31 yard new way side loader garbage truck and providing an effective date. >> Good morning. Uh Kevin Felbanger, public works director. Like I said, we [clears throat] had an accident in uh in

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March 2026. one of our garbage trucks, our side loaders, uh was coming into the intersection of Budinger Avenue and 192 and was struck by a uh crane. It flipped it over so that uh like I said, flipped over and bent the uh the frame. So, they actually totaled that. Um so, we just

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got the check uh from the insurance last week and we found a um a 20 a 2023 uh Max side loader. It had uh it only had a little over 20,000 miles on it. Um, and so like I said, so we were able to uh and it was it's about $100,000 less than

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if we bought a brand new uh side loader. So that's why we're recommending to be able to go with a used side loader as opposed to a new one. But it's it's the same setup as we would have and it's just like I said, it's just it's three years old. Um, but it only has 20,000 miles on it. Um, so um I said it was like I said the money for this was

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approved in the budget amendment earlier uh this uh or yesterday. All right. Anyone in the audience like to speak on the side? [laughter] >> Seeing none, council. >> Motion approved. >> Motion approved. Council member Urban. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Paul. Would the

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clerk please call the role? >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> I. >> Mayor Robertson. >> I. >> Motion carries 5-0. >> Thank you. >> First readings.

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The next items on the agenda are ordinances before the council for first reading and introduction for the sole purpose of the council to authorize the publication of the ordinance for a final hearing. The council will not take final action on the item tonight. Full presentations and public input on the ordinances will occur at the final

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hearing at which the council will consider final action. Will the clerk please read first reading number one? >> First reading introduction for ordinance number 2026-33. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Florida amending a local a location and multi-purpose trail connection to Chisum Park adopted

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by ordinance 2024-12 for approximately plus - 25.59 acres identified as Walker property project PUD 26-00004 [snorts] located on North Oak Trail west of South Nusi Road and south of Chisom Park Trail providing for the approval of the

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amended PUD preliminary master plan and proof of publication the ability and effective date. >> All right. Can I get a motion? Motion to approve. >> Motion approved. Council member Paul. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Fletcher. Will the clerk [clears throat] please call the role?

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>> Council member Paul. >> I. Council member Urban. >> Hi. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5-0. >> And will the clerk please read first reading number two? >> First reading introduction for ordinance

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number 2026-34. An ordinance of the city council of city of St. Florida amending the local acreage and developable acreage number of units net density gross density storm water area development program housing types architectural standards and development conditions for the PUD plan unit development preliminary master plan

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identified as a Aviana project PUD2-00004 formerly known as Neptune Village in ordinance 20 2019-11 as amended located north of Revolutionary Way east of Betsy Ross Lane and south of Neptune Road and

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west of Okanuk providing for the approval of the amended PUD preliminary master plan and final master plan filing of the planning commission's recommendations proof of publication serability conflicts and effective date. >> All right. And can we get a motion on motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. Council member Urban >> second.

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>> Second. Council member Paul. Will the clerk please call the role? >> Council member Urban. >> I. >> Deputy Mayor Gilbert. >> Hi. >> Council member Fletcher. >> Hi. >> Council member Paul. >> Hi. >> Mayor Robertson. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> All right. City attorney. I have one item I'd like to discuss with you if I

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could. So, as you all know, the uh the agreement that the city had with 2020 media with regard to the bus stop benches and advertising benches that are in the rightway expired in December of 2024. Since then, the [clears throat] city manager and myself have been trying to

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work with the 2020 media to figure out what they were going to do about the fact that the agreement had expired. In May, we sent them uh we sent the 2020 media an email, I mean, I'm sorry, a letter saying uh the agreement's expired. Let's [clears throat]

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let's talk about it. And if we're not going to work on an agreement to renegotiate or anything, uh we want your plan to remove the existing benches. The way the agreement reads, once it's terminated, the all those benches that they 2020 media has in the city's

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rightway need to be removed. Right. We did not receive a response. I know that the city manager spoke with with Mr. Davis of 2020 media. However, they never gave us a plan as to what they were going to do about that. Again, in June, June 18th, we sent them another letter

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saying if you don't tell us by if you don't get your benches out by July 10th, uh we're going to bring it in front of the council in July 16th for further action. So, at this point, I'm asking the council to authorize us to proceed with whatever legal means are necessary uh to remove those benches from the

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rightway. That will enable the city to negotiate with other v other potential uh providers of these bus shelters and we can get those uh those benches out of the rideway since that agreement expired in December of 2024. So, right. So, I'm

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really just want to looking for the direction if that's okay with the council and then we'll proceed and uh try [snorts] to see if we can get this thing resolved. >> Deputy Mayor, >> what I'd like to do with this is go go go to Metro Plan and Links, which on the board, and ask them what their standards

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standard operating procedure and how they do bus stops, the bus the bus uh uh stops have changed, that the the the routes have changed. I'd really like us to look at an upgrade where they're covered bus routes for for for our

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citizens uh to to go on the bus systems. And I'll get the the uh the uh planning agreement uh that links has with the metro plan and how their their standards of buses are and they're all covered now with side covers, back coverage because

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we do have inclement weather. We do have people traveling. I think we're about time we need to upgrade our our our bus stops. Uh we have over 31 uh benches here in in in the city of St. Cloud and some of them are obsolete to where our bus routes are. So, I'd like to look at

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upgrading our bus routes and looking at putting out the contract to a company that's going to utilize the standard operations that uh Lynx has for their bus stops. I I just bring that to council because I think that's where we're at in today in 2026. Um any

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comment and a pleasure to council, please let me know. I I've seen other bus stops and I've seen them covered. You know what it gets like at four or five o'clock in July here and I'd like to our our citizens be covered taking the bus system. I yield back to you, mayor. >> All right. And that's the end goal, but I think Dan needs to know,

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>> right? The first step is to to allow us to move forward with basically getting the benches out so that you can find another alternative. >> Well, obviously, we don't want to incur expenses with, you know, file lawsuit or anything. It can code enforcement do anything with this?

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>> Not really because the problem is that's that the >> I mean, we love paying it, Dan. You know, don't get me wrong. >> We the the benches are on public property. So, as you know, code enforcement, you'll go against the property owner. So, um we could we could

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try a code enforcement action and um we could maybe be creative and try >> calling him again. >> I mean, so I've met with him twice um and um both times he's >> uh expressed that he wants to move

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forward, but he hasn't provided any agreement terms. Um I gave him twice now the um list of issues that links identified with the existing benches. Uh the first time he asked me to give him

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the opportunity to counter what was said because he said that it wasn't true that state statutes um calls out different regulations. And I said absolutely absolutely you can have the opportunity to to counter this. But I never received anything. Um after one of those letters,

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I think it was the May letter. Um, I went to lunch with him. We talked about it again and I said, "Hey, you still haven't sent me that." Um, and he asked me to resend it. I did. So um but I I will say uh adding to what deputy mayor

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said uh links is because now we are so the our current agreement does not allow us to put any new benches or bus shelters in but because this has expired and we sent this correspondence uh Dan was comfortable with me authorizing um

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uh links has put in the building permits for two bus shelters in St. cloud that we couldn't do previously because of this agreement. So >> So we're already moving forward >> with with those two. Yes. >> Yeah. As long as this isn't holding us up from moving forward. But

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you know, we do need a [snorts] response from from Joel. >> He says he wants to, you know, verbal or or action, but but Lynx wants physical shelters, not just a bench. >> So Lynx uh each shelter costs $40,000.

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So, we asked links if we could get shelters throughout the city. Um, and they basically said that they have a grant process and so these two that we got are paid by a grant. I don't remember if it was that links applies for the grant. I I think that's what it

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was was that they applied for the grant and we we were the lucky recipients of of two. Um, you know, we we we discussed with them the desire to want to do more bus shelters throughout the city. So, we have some rightaway constraints in in certain areas where we would potentially

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need to get easements from adjacent property owners or buy additional property. Um, which, you know, I I think in most of those cases, those property owners would probably appreciate it. Um, one one specific location I can say is um I think it's the the shopping plaza.

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Um, >> it's by Old Save a Lot. >> By Old Save Aot. Yes. it there's a lot when I come to work in the morning during the school year there's a a large group of people from the school district wearing maroon shirts [snorts] and I've always you know felt bad on the bad weather days because I see them all

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standing there um and there's too many even to to be standing there so there there's definitely an opportunity for some shelters >> I would assume in the grid >> oh they're in the grid and they they work you'll see them right there of key foods right over there

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>> I don't get up that early so 5:30. >> We're almost there. [laughter] Stay awake. >> Okay. So, is that something the city would be advertising or is there some type of shared revenue on that?

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>> So, I did ask Omen York um if there was other businesses that do this and they said great question and they would look into it because like you and I discussed there's there is advertising on these. When I spoke to Mr. Davis and told him that we want bus shelters. Uh he he he

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said it it was they were too expensive and that wasn't that wasn't a deal. >> Okay. Council member Fletcher. >> Um is there any safety issues with the ones that are currently in our redwood >> according to links? Yes. And that's what he asked to challenge. >> All right. Thank you. >> Or that's what he has to counter. I'm

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sorry, not challenge. >> All right. If he if he doesn't remove them, do we remove them? Well, the [clears throat] excuse me, the agreement doesn't provide for that right. So, we would we'd either have to get his consent to remove them or we'd have to get a court order to be

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able to remove them. >> Remember, these agreements are very old. They've been going on. So, >> well, that's why I hate going to those to that extent, but I mean, it's everybody everybody knows Joel. >> Um, I just wish he'd come to the table. I think he's a great guy and I'd like

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him to bid on that. But we we have to get shelters for our citizens. This isn't 1970. This is 2026. And when that agreement was >> uh uh taken, Dan wasn't even here and Dan's been here for 28 years. So you look at the standards of of bus shelters

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now that are different and and they're covering for inclement weather that we I think as citizens that we need to provide those for them. And there are companies that will come up there and do that because there are advertisement opportunities. There really are. I mean,

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from not just the bench itself, from the surrounding area. So, I like Joel. I think he's a great guy, but we we've got we have to look at the the citizens that take buses here that are sitting there getting rained on when you go to Orlando or you go to Semino County or Orange

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County and they're covered. They're covered bus stops. If we were to move forward in this direction, I I would like to see if the city could enjoy some of the revenue share on the advertising. I think that's kind we need to continue to find ways to generate revenue in the city. Right.

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>> There's definitely a gener generating revenue portion of that and I think we had one with Mr. Davis, but I think in 2024 we got 268 bucks, but that's what we've had in last three years. Yeah,

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that's >> all right. >> So, >> thank you, city attorney. >> What we'll do is we'll we'll we'll recognize that the city doesn't want to spend a lot of we don't want to throw good money after bad chasing this stuff. So, we'll look at see if we can find some creative way to do it. Maybe we can

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figure out a code enforcement method. Uh I'll have to look into that issue. I hadn't really thought about that. U but uh and then we'll report back to the council on what we do. I would not be opposed to one of the elected officials reaching out to Mr. Davis and saying,

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"Hey, what's up?" >> I think we have in in numerous occasions, but you know, there's crickets on the other end of the line. >> All right, that's all I have. But >> thanks, sir. City manager. >> Hi. Thank you. I have um two items.

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First is about the Veterans Council. So, we are coming up on one year of the veterans council and the appointments that the city council made um it's time for new appointments. So, at the next meeting um we need to be making new

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appointments. So, if you could please um think about who you may want to put on the committee and send me your um or actually we'll work with the clerk's office and take them through the process uh so that we can bring it to the next council meeting and you all can ratify

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each other's choices. Secondly, uh I'd like to make a recommendation on Secondly on this item. I still have another one. Um I'd like to make a recommendation on on how we have it set up. We have it set up that each council

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member is going to alternate every year. And I I think the board is too new and has a lot of projects kind of midway that I I would recommend that that the city council consider allowing the mayor to continue for another year, especially because they're they're trying to do a

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parade and it just seems like if they if you lose the person right now who's pushing for the parade, a lot of that work is is potentially going to go to the wayside. But I also would like to recommend um separately that the council

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member who's chairing the committee doesn't necessarily rotate at the same time as the committee. I think maybe it should be um mid year after the after after the new appointments so that it's not a new council member and a new

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committee um h having to to continue the the board. So looking for council direction. So essentially after December or January we can rotate the the chair of the committee to the council. >> So it wouldn't be a full year that I do. >> Right. You could do it well it's your

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choice >> and that will stagger it. >> You could do it for another six months or you could ask for another >> Tuesday and and those events. And then >> would anybody entertain an 18month for the for the chair in a yearly? This gives us a six month uh of new new

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members. So if you go 18 months that gives us six months of the same chair and then we rotate and it rotates to the council. Just an idea. This way we have that overlap of six months. >> Just an idea. >> Looks like I have consensus. So we will

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um so you will bring me your your items and we're going to have the rotation of the chair and the mayor is going to stay on for a total of 18 months this this round and then then we'll start the next the next. >> Okay. >> Okay. That gives >> What does that take us to January? Is

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that about >> roughly? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um I'm sorry it's not my turn to speak yet. >> One more item. It's It's too late to go over this, but um you can have one. I I had a list of all of and this is what

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happened the last time I brought one of these lists, but it was a really late council meeting, so I'm never going to bring this again because it's bad luck. Well, it's a list of um workshop item workshops that that we needed topics we needed to review and discuss. Some of

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them have been on the list for a long time. Um you know, I learned this week council members really don't want to have a workshop the same day as a council meeting. It was a really good call um especially with the conflicts that we had. So, um, I was going to ask

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council just to help me prioritize those items that you think are are more important. Um, and then also to to look for some additional dates if you would like. So, normally in August, we don't have another workshop because of the budget workshop. We we've always just

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considered that was the August workshop, which brings us to September. We have two city council meetings in September because of the budget and um we would we were going to have a workshop on the 17th the same day as that city council

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meeting based on you know feedback I had this week. I think council doesn't want that to happen. So, I was looking for direction if you want all of these items just to push to October or if you want us to look at some dates

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for additional workshops. >> Mayor, may I make [snorts] a suggestion? >> Yes, sir. Deputy mayor, >> I would like to make a suggestion to the council that we number one through 10 of of what's coming up and each one of us put put a number next to it and then

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that would prioritize what we think is necessary through through the council. So, if we think It's important we put that the first four and then the next one is four through eight. So I I don't know. I'm just trying >> things are going to change as time goes on. >> Exactly. And we can readjust it.

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>> Let's let's set the next workshop. I mean obviously I think 1401 if we're moving forward on that if that closes the zoning on that is pretty important to have the conversation. We don't want to sit on it, right? >> Although it it is going to it generates

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revenue. So, >> well, that should be the consideration of the council, shouldn't the mayor, >> the importance of what items we take and which could be moved. I I would I would imagine just >> Where are we at with golf course? >> I was going to say I would like to

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prioritize that. I know he's really wanting to get an answer of some kind from the city and I would like to prioritize that discussion discussion if possible. >> So, we we met with Gman York this past week and I'm I'm sorry it's so late. I'm not quite remembering where it ended.

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Was it with them going back to talk to them? Because we also talked about purchasing it, >> purchasing the >> the golf course. I think you you >> letting the golf >> course purchase, right? Letting the golf course purchase the land. >> Um that was one of the things the

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council asked us at the last meeting, >> but that was us. >> Oh, I know. No, I mean >> a private equity firm coming in. >> The [clears throat] council asked us to give them the option to to buy the land. convention center then. >> Yeah. Well, when we asked we we I think if I remember correctly, Dan said he

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needed to look at some of the issues with the agreement with water smiling. >> He's counting the money, [laughter] >> but I don't think ever gave >> any final direction on where they were with the golf course. We need to circle back with them. >> Yeah, we well we can we can circle back

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with them. Um it's it's it's on their list. Um and and we you are also working with Tohjo about their bonding issues potentially, right? Because there were some bonding issues associated with this. >> No, but we also Yeah. And we also had the issue of whether Tojo needed that

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the golf course to continue to put water on it. And so >> so council could like like um deputy mayor recommended, you could send me your prioritizations and we can balance it ourselves and put them. But >> I really need to know if if you want to

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schedule additional dates or if you want to wait till October and come back to these >> October is fine with me. >> Yeah, we can come back to this >> in October. >> I'll send you >> Well, I special October for the next >> for the next workshop. I'm I was looking for direction. >> Well, we got the [snorts] budget

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workshop August 3rd, right? >> Correct. >> Yeah. We can't do one in between because we've got I mean I'll be out. >> Can we can we just send it to you within the week and then you can >> send it out see if it works for us.

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>> Yeah. Send send us your priorities and then and and and then also potential dates that you are not available for a workshop or if you want to wait for October just give me feedback and and I'll balance and and and I'll just say you know sometimes things come up and staff may have to come discuss it with

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you. like I know um the deputy city manager really needs some direction to talk about some of our um agreements with these outside users coming up. Um so you know >> well as those agreements start coming online for us you could also prioritize

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those and say okay it's time you know we're ready with golf course agreement or little league or >> I think we should push them all to the November 19th. Okay. >> Yeah. Not gonna happen. [laughter] >> All right. Thank

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>> there. See, got to give him credit. [laughter] >> I know it's late, so that's that's it. >> All right. Council member Fletcher. >> Um I have nothing at this time. Thank you, Mayor. Deputy Mayor. >> Uh just I'm I'm be brief, but uh the the

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uh ebike u uh bill got vetoed by the governor uh Ronda Santis and there's a 57% increase in in ebike uh fatalities in accidents. So we at Metrop Plan decided to have an Oyola Orange and Semino County uh agreement that we're

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going to head it up to have an agreement between the three counties and have our own our own ordinances through that. I think the power of metrop plan will get it pushed through. Therefore, if you go to any of these counties, we'll have the same ordinances. Uh I I don't think we should wait. Uh it's a very dangerous

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situation. If you looked at the accident numbers, and I'll go into them later. I was going to do it today, but it's a 50 57% increase in in in fatalities in ebikes and e- scooter uh areas. I don't want to wait to legislation for next year. I think we should do that. So, I

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agreed with the metro plan that that we're going to move forward and I just wanted uh to ask permission for for uh from this council if I can be on that committee to make sure we we we push that through >> that [snorts] and the other stuff can wait because I know it's late and and thank you very much,

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>> Council Member Paul. Um, I just want to say I know this was a long meeting tonight, but um, it's important that we have these discussions since we can't talk to each other um, outside of these meetings, but it's well worth it um, as

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we fight through the challenges as a council together. So, I know we're sometimes it's not appreciated by the residents who elect us, but just wanted to say thank you. So, that's all I have. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Council Member Urban. >> I'm going to filibuster for the next two

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hours on the [laughter] >> Lindy Graham. >> Read a cookbook. >> I think this is my latest meeting ever. >> You good? >> All right. Uh I'll keep it brief, but uh so last week I attended the Florida League of Mayors over in in Port

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Canaveral. Probably I bet there were about a hundred mayors or slash deputy mayors there. Um, what's really cool is Peggy Brown, uh, the she is the, uh, president of Floor League of Mayors. I met her a year year

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and a half ago in Tallahassee for that first floor league of Mayor's event up there. Uh, by chance, I was leaving the Capitol building, saw black SUVs, just said, "Oh, I bet the governor's about to speak." And I turned around, walked a few blocks, and it was the Holocaust Memorial when they did the the ribbon

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cutting for that. So, just started chatting with her. some lady that was standing there. She's the mayor of Weston and she said, "Hey, I'm the incoming um president of Florida League of Cities. You should get involved even more." And uh I'm sorry, Floor League of Mayors. Um so amongst the group, she recognized me, told that story to

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everybody. So I thought that was really cool. Um second, in August, I've got the floor league of mayors conference I'm I'm attending and but also floor league of mayors meetings the day prior. I believe that's August 12th. And I recommend that you the rest of y'all

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look into that. I think it's beneficial. That is where all these cities are going to be together. They're going to be discussing this property tax reform. You know, there there's a lot to learn from everybody else. Um it it's great group therapy, I'll tell you, to to sit down

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and talk with these folks because we can't talk to one another about this kind of stuff. We talked to the city manager and Dan, but you know, it's a lot of fun. [laughter] >> I can't believe you said that about you. I mean that out of my heart.

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>> No, but seriously, it is beneficial. It you really do learn a lot from these organizations and and that is where they're going to they're they're going to >> give us a a better roadmap on how to to explain all this to the general public and say, look, and to our constituents,

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hey, here's here's what's going to be affected here. Here's here's the flip side of each coin. So, um, with that, I've got nothing else to add. All right. And we now have our information. Oh, also I do want to say once again, July 4th was amazing. Parks

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and wreck, great job. I think we told them that earlier. I forget though. That was five and a half hours ago. So, uh, information section and report section. We have the recreation advisory committee minutes. March 18, 2026. Reports warrant list warrant list number

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nine, fiscal year 26. Friday, July 17th, 2026, Veterans Council meeting 1 p.m. City Hall. Monday, August 3rd, 2026, City Council budget workshop. 1 PM City Hall Council Chambers. Thursday, August 6, 2026, special city council meeting

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immediately following the community redevelopment agency meeting. City Hall council chambers. Thursday, August 13, 2026. Si City No, we moved that to August 20th. >> That meeting, >> city council meeting. >> August. It's August 6th.

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>> No, the council meeting. You're right. because that's when I'll be out of town. We move. So, Thursday, August 20th, 2026, City Council meeting, 6:30 p.m. City Hall, Council Chambers. With that, this meeting is adjourned.