alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right uh before we start we'll just open up for public comment if anybody
has anything they want to say not all right uh we'll move on to uh number four agenda review and adoption we move second we got a motion in a second all in favor I I
opposed all right uh go to number five approval of June 10th 2024 minutes so a motion second motion a second all in favor all I opposed all right uh number six new
business we don't have anything list underneath there I delete that part okay all right all right well then we'll move on to seven uh old business short-term rental discussion yeah thank you chair so this is just uh continuation of the
discussion that we've had for past couple months um we've kind of started to look at short-term rentals um again the council had brought this up at a workshop um and wanted to explore um when we initially had a conversation we were looking at at the Planning
Commission level kind of focusing on the commercial district and the downtown and that um but the council had the direction of kind of looking at all the zoning districts uh for this type of use um so uh this month uh what I've tried
to do is um well one thank you for those who sent me some uh feedback and and such um in regards to just the the topic and that um but looking at um how a potential draft could lay out um so I
started to kind of go through uh our rental ordinance um and kind of just you know make updates and changes in there tied to the topic um but I think really where we got to start with and try to get um
some kind of consensus on is is um a couple things um you know one um how are we going to regulate these in terms of residential districts versus commercial districts um that's likely going to look different based on those two zoning
districts um you know you may find a larger appetite to regulate more so from the residential standpoint to kind of um you know some of the things I've heard for feedback is you know protecting and preserving Residential Care character um
things like that um ensuring you know we have a lot of ordinances that are already at play that would apply you know for some of that whether it's noise whether it's safety related things uh but there's also other uh you know
concerns in terms of you know if someone were to come and purchase a home in a residential area and just use it as a short-term rental um you know and operating kind of a commercial or business use in a residential district so um you know this is a big topic and
there's lots of avenues to to tackle uh but at the same time um what I'm hearing as well and you know one of the things that you know least a goal from a staff perspective is to uh make this ordinance as easy to digest as possible um as easy
to understand as possible um the more complicated we make it the harder it is to one enforce two monitor um and three ensure that compliance is occurring um so uh that's
kind of why the first stab or first approach that I've tried to take is modifying our existing rental ordinance and adding short-term rental in there adding definitions trying to cover certain elements um you know from the feedback
that I've heard uh you know one of the things to that I've heard as well and I think is imperative as you know these establishments we should definitely be collecting a lodging tax F them um and that's going to help out you know our
convention and Visitor Bureau but it's also going to be consistent and fair in terms of if they're someone's using the property as a you know short-term stay and a lodging kind of establishment that you know that they contribute to
that um you know other things I've heard is um in terms of like residential uh areas is um you know concerns on you know the number of guests and uh things that can you know conflict because of that whether it's you know nuisance
types of things um but ultimately you know I'm I'm at least you know part of the goal I think tonight is to kind of look and go through uh some of that real first stab
of the graft that you know I've tried to provide with the update to our rental ordinance as it relates to this topic um so how it's kind of laid out in there too is it you know really talks about um you know going through a license process
so you know short-term rental if you really want to streamline it and make it as simple as possible uh you could have it like a annual rental license uh really no much different um folks would come in they would submit a app ation we
would do a yearly inspection we would have a process to suspend or revoke that license um it would really operate really not much different than our existing rentals
do um so looking for feedback on that is that a you know adequate process do we need to put in more safeguards um you know do we need to go the route of maybe in residential areas we require a
conditional use on top of a license and then for business districts it's just permitted through a license process through a administrative process so I mean those are a couple of things that I'm looking for um but uh you know again continue to include a
bunch of other information hopefully you got to read some of it um there's other good examples out there from other communities and the different directions that you can go um so questions conversation
discussion anything that stood out to you in some of that drafted language um you know one other thing I I wanted to highlight too is in residential areas um you know one of the concerns is um protecting that residential character in
that uh you can require a owner occupied um requirement so then folks that want to do short-term rental it has to be a owner occupied home so that eliminates the possibility of someone just purchasing a home that gets listed for
sale and just using it solely for the purpose of a short-term rentor lodging establishment so um I was looking through the national the the guidance the national league thing and they and the one thing in there right at the beginning on page nine of that says um
the timing ensure that the uh short-term rentals occupied by the host for most of the year um I like something like that rather than saying because I I mean obviously you've got people that leave for the winters or things like that um it's going to
accomplish that not just buying it for the sole purpose of renting it out but rather than saying I mean I think if you start saying it's owner occupied then you start thinking well how does that work do I have to be there when I'm renting it out or am I renting out just the bedroom of my I mean I I'm
struggling with this whole concept I think it's I would have never thought that this would be something that would be ordinance regulated and I thought we said it you know at the last meeting yeah the biggest thing is we do want to see the the lodging taxes but to keep it simple right now to allow people to do
it because I think most people in our town live in their homes and if like you said if they leave and they want to rent it out I think they'll abide by already what we have in place and if they don't and they're going to hit other like noise ordinances and things like that well then we might need to take a
stronger look at it you know like same thing with like number of paved parking streets well if they're renting out in the winter they should know that they're not supposed to be parking on the street or now now you're not going to have 15 people in a dwelling and they're going to get parked on the street when they're going to get dinged I just to to your
point I think less is more right now to with that so kind of how we so kind of how we have that the ordinance as it's kind of drafted right now set up is you know one a license process so an annual license so is is is that adequate is
that kind of I mean that's an administrative process there's no additional steps or hurdles uh for that and that'd be treated any you know be treated the same way as a lot of our typical rentals is is that in my
understanding that that as a a good Avenue to go down um and what the Planning Commission is thinking in terms of making it simple streamlining it I like the idea of the license um having to apply for it that way you know who's actually doing it you know who's
actually doing the short-term rentals within the city um that way if there are issues that arise and you at least have some kind of record of what's Happening you know or if it's not I guess then you know or if it's still happening and it's not licensed then you know what to do with that point as well I guess but so
to me I I like the licensing idea well does anybody know anybody that owns like an Airbnb or something on VRBO or does like how what do they have to do because it's one of those where it's like hey I'm leaving for the weekend and my family's coming
to stay there so now I need to get a license for well I think I think it's a way to to um log the taxes then too right mon you for the lodging taxes or whatever I think that's maybe a way to to correct yeah we have to in order to collect that loding text we'll have to
have some language the ordinance that are tying to that um the license the thought is also then we have uh the process in terms of um if issues do arise we have the ability to revoke their license um it becomes a lot harder
if there if it's just a permitted use there's not a lot that we can do um other than the police going out there and enforcing things um but I know you know I've been uh in many different types of communities you know throughout
the you know since I graduated and since I've worked in different communities and when issues do come up um they can be hard to enforce if you don't have something um or some kind of a process um in place I guess for me to you
know whatever but life safety issues you know do they have the the required smoke alarms seal alarms stuff like that um to make sure that we don't have a disaster I guess or you know or something comes up I guess I think is important as well
but correct yeah isest for having it in the residential homes no so staff has only received a request for the business and Commercial District yeah the residential is coming at the direction
of the Council on wanting to explore that so there's so many unknowns it's kind of like well who would if you made them have to be owner occupied who would own a home and like you're saying then it's
snow removal you're out in the in town where I don't know I just feel like going that Avenue is I just think personally like our residents and St Joe live here I get you know I I never thought about like the snowbirds that might leave in the winter they could
then rent it if they need to but you have to yourself exactly we don't have the draw I mean we don't have the draw that say you know the draw of you know a spring break we've got a few weekends a year
where want to be by the college football games jown rocks yeah I mean there's a few there's a few things during the year I mean I just I'm struggling with wanting to yeah enforce jump all this stuff down when there's we don't have
the draw y I mean and I don't foresee anything coming that would give us that draw I mean the climate that's not changing that much I mean I I don't I'm I don't know I'm having a a tough
time with this one in general I mean like I like I said the last meeting I said I would have never thought I would have had to go through any process to list my home as a vvo in town kind of a deal like I would have never even thought that I couldn't do that well that's why I asked like anybody know is like someone that's actually do they
like a lake home or you know that kind of thing where it's rent it out for a weekend because we're not using it like a time share type and that's problematic right my sister has lived next on a small lake or has a cabin and the cabin next to him is thebo and it's rented out
to 15 that can have 15 to 20 people and they come in the lake and they're disruptive and they they don't care because they're not neighbors to anybody when it's ice when it's winter they leave their garbage on the the lake when they're ice and they're no regulation in
that county so it's problematic but again if it gets I think we said that too if it gets to that point where you're seeing that it's being having problematic then do you enforce more well and I think that's the point of having this whole conversation right is to avoid that it's yeah exactly I I
mean you're you know you're creating an ordinance I mean most are going to comply with that they have their own rules and regulations and they want to be good hosts and they want to have good reviews you get docked on a review on there that's going to be impacting your own business and such like that um but
in the in that same token though you it's just like renting of any kind of element you can get you know good tenants bad tenants um and I have run into that same exact issue in some communities where you get one um egregious party or something that
happens um and then the Neighbors come out in full force and then if you don't have anything in place you're extremely limited on what you can do really you can only rely on the police at that time to you know if there's noise maybe they could site them for something like that
but um there's only so many tools that they have but with the license process yeah the thought is that well if police go out there and there's violations then you know that can be a dock on their license with the city and then we can ultimately have the ability to suspend
or revoke that per Council Direction you know no different than if we have a problematic rental property and we're having issues and we you know suspend them they can appeal that and they can go to the council to appeal that um but it's to you know I guess try as best as
possible to you know control the bad apples potentially or the bad things that could happen so I just look at as you know we don't have a crystal ball you never know what's going to happen like I agree to your point maybe it's just as simple as make him have a license collect lodging tax so you know
who's on file and then go from there you know that's just my thoughts and then because like to your point Gina it's what do we draw we draw for St Joe rocks maybe some October fests maybe when kids come back to
school for like Mom prom or things along those lines where hopefully the people that are going to be renting call it in a residential are going to be like parents and kids or maybe College Lums that have come back I don't know those are my thought yeah and we we
have no way of predicting right like one what the interest is even going to be just say at least for the business because that's you know you said you only got business district who has talked about it right but you would say yeah but the council wants to look at the whole that's what I'm saying is
maybe you still anybody in the residential still has to be licensed right sure what all comes with that license is that just an application to pay a fee or is there something yeah basically what we would do yeah what we would do is we would just modify our existing rental
license um make it for short term and then to make it easy on our end is we would send out those renewals the same time that we send out the typical rental renewals so we're sending them all out in at once they're all renewed at the
same time um all of our inspectors are inspecting those at the same time and it's just makes it much more cost effective and saves time um by going that route if we do the license so yeah I mean I mean within the the draft I mean really what we have in here
is just you know the license the inspections the lodging tax we do have space and occupancy where we talk about the owner occupied and you know you could eliminate that you could go to um primary residence only you know there's different directions you could go with
that um but then after that we just talk about license suspension and revoution um and appeals um so it's you know we don't have a lot of meat and potatoes in there right now you know it's really what I'm hearing if it's the
consensus that you know maybe the owner occupied isn't you know what we need to have in there but I want to hear other thoughts as well I believe the license system with the Logitech would be sufficient because a lot of the concerns that we've raised as far as littering or
noise these things are already illegal we don't need to micromanage the property any further if somebody litters on a lake Frozen or otherwise littering is illegal and maybe that Resident doesn't get tagged or flaged for that immediately but the property owner will
and they'll know who they rented within a given month on what days and that's going to reflect negatively on their property they're going to try and pass that fee down to the tenant because I'm sure there's going to be some type of down payment that they need to make and it's a self-rectifying situation if
there's noise issues the police will respond we don't need to layer on more rules for something that's already heavily managed to be a host on a vbo Airbnb there's typified guidelines that you need to adhere to and if these hosts
that want to be a part of these websites don't abide to them they won't be able to do that so us just simply having a license we can identify who in the community is going to be doing this getting that lodging tax so then we can at least have a benefit to us as a city
if we're going to have to additionally manage these properties not in a micromanagement style but just manage them in general that sounds sufficient to me I do like though the way that Gina had set the primary resident for the
owner occupied just because it does eliminate people coming in and potentially buying properties that they're just who's responsible can say oh the police call but they're busy there's
only and you said you can call all you want but they're renting to somebody the owner owns it they would have to go back but the they're not the ones who did the the littery people that stayed there so whether or not they're responsible or
not it could be weeks before it's addressed those people are done and gone in a weekend or we put it in there too as like primary owner occupied it would help not only eliminate that issue but I mean you're going to have it too where
you're not having people just coming and buying up the houses for rentals or short-term rentals so and that's that is becoming a big issue in a lot of places that are a tie or a draw to yeah certain
locations yeah I think that the most of the Year part I think is I think that would still allow for snowbirds too I mean yeah I mean I I like that the most of the year part not necessarily to clarify that it's got to be owner occupied so of the year I just make sure
I'm understanding this correctly do we do we like going the route of having language in there that says that it has to be their primary residence no okay just owner occupy okay so kind of how it's in there
already is oh sufficient and kind of what kind of drafted in here how do we Define how do we Define owner occupied is that defined in the thank you um um no it's that just says it's owner
occupied do we have occup definition in the ordinance we can definitely add that yeah well you're just I mean I'm curious what it is I mean if it's Ian is it it it's it's really the same as primary residence it's just it's um you know
that the owner is occupying that home the majority of the year so it's their primary residence in a way so they don't have to be there if somebody else is there that type of thing yeah so you know another thing we had in here too is um if we do like if the police go out
there and respond to a call um a common thing in what other cities will do even if it's a licensed process is that there's a contact UM on there probably two contacts for emergency so then that way the police can get a hold of the
responsible party and not deal with attendants per se and then they can follow up and address that I think that's important to your pointy I mean the the events like Joe toown and and that kind
of stuff the police are busy enough yeah yeah I mean we don't I mean so it's going to be harder for them to you know it's going to be harder to get somebody to respond for something that is more of a annoyance than a real problem yeah you
know and the other issue that can result too is since it's going to often be the police that are responding to these because it's off hours that these concerns and things happen is um also you know with the emergency contact that they have something that's posted that you know signifies that's you know
short-term rental or that so they can kind of identify that and you know there's that boom it's right there and they have that info versus relying on a you know database that planning has or something like that that's just not going to always work so so what so for
example if someone okay they have short-term rental they are gone for the winter so they're renting it up you know renting up and there's been three calls their different renters each time for noise or parking or whatever what is the
city's policy on that for that license soend what is the like you've now had three violations or whatever you lose your license or what is that policy on for our current like rental license what's our policy well anything that
requires like if it's a noise ordinance right and they're noisy and they're and they're the ten or the people that are there are violating the noise ordinance and so how many times yeah so there's a couple things with that so one they can
they can site they can site them um two though if it's a active rental license then um the police uh try as best as they can to document that and then share that with Community Development and then we put that as a strike it
depends on if a violation was confirmed or not it depends on what extent of a violation it is um but then it's you know kind of a three strike kind of policy but we also have the ability if it's a really egregious like violation and there's multiple things um going on
you know we within our ordinances could potentially suspend their license but they have the right to then appeal that and then go to the council to you know tell their side of the story or or whatnot so
okay so I mean within this draft I didn't add language tied to suspension you know I added a little bit tied to revocation and denials I didn't add anything to fins and stuff like that just because this is a you know still at
we surface level conversation but um you know it thoughts you know if let's say we do have a a Violator and you know it's clear it's a violation and all that you know I mean three strike kind of policy you know still is
that thoughts on that if we have issues um or language tied to you know suspensions of their license anything like that any feedback at like that at this time I guess that's for me that's
all the more reason to have maybe the licensing so that you have the record of who and then in a yearly basis so that if they are repeat offenders violators whatever it is then you don't have to necessarily renew that license for them then or you know if it becomes an issue
you can take care of it that way as well yeah I don't know I just think of like let's say if it was one of those homes that's right off the Minnesota Street you know and they're or noise or whatever it might be
you're dealing with how long would a neighbor Neighbors because it's not now just one there's you know it's close proximity how long would they have to be affected by someone that isn't abiding you know and then the person that owns
that property that that's the only downside it's it's not like there's a lot of distance between the residents they're right by each other and it's not just one it's it's a handful it's it's people that have been you know so now it's how much are they going to have to
fight to you know is it a oh you got they got a year now for their license or well they can go back to the council and ask it to be you know right of appeal the decision I I just I don't know I'm just you're
Advocate you're playing Devil's attitud because I would be you know you figure it might be near downtown you know like where it's a walking distance and you know those there there's that's I just I just think right now like you said you're in the infancy of it and we don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill yet there's always the wh ifs but
to Adam's point we also have ordinances in place for if stuff happens like that I would say if you you keep it simple with licensing like we said and you have the lodging tax and like I said you have the complaints you're going to very quickly know where the problem areas
would be if there are concerns but you really don't know until you do it that's just my thought but but is it necessary to do got to have something in there at least if you want people to do it one other question I had was just um
you know you see this in larger communities more or so but um in those types of structures where you have like a multifamily uh residence where you have you know like let's say 48 units or whatnot and one of the tenants wants to you know um I don't know maybe they're
staying somewhere else for four months on a work rated thing and they want to then use their apartment as a short-term rental and it's fine with their agreements and their you know tenant rights with their management and all that is there any um you know concern in
uh because some communities will limit like how like percentages of units that can be converted to short-term rental within like those buildings you know so that it it retains residential units um and you
don't lose those residential units to short-term rental use or is that just like we you know we don't care at this at this stage and I'm just throwing it out there because it's just other things that you know have come up that I've seen and such so I just say at this stage it's not we can jump on that
rabbit B like I said I don't know about you guys you guys have rented vbos or airbnbs you know we do it with the family because it's easier and you have a whole living space but we're there just to sleep and then we're we're doing it almost like as a hotel like it's not a getaway where we're going to party yes you might might have people that just
rent it to do it but I know personally that's what we use them for for renting a whole house which is cheaper than renting a and you get a kitchen hotel washing machine and then you're there to pretty much sleep and do that and then go out
to where you're going so and some and some you know I just from experience too like some uh they'll have so they'll have their you know let's say their license displayed so then you as a guest know that okay it's license there's some prote C there and then they also have a
real small cheat sheet of just like the general rules like you know the nuisance types of stuff you know so you can kind of see that as you're checking in and getting your stuff as a a guest but that gives also I know some reassurance to folks that okay it's a license it's been
inspected you know um here's some general rules so you know it's just another way to communicate that to the tenants um or those guests so I mean I think if we had you know to go back to your multi-unit thing if you had an apartment if you had an
apartment you got two things there one you've got the individual Renters of that apartment which I would think that we would want to have you know if it's in a multi-unit building that you don't own you're going to need your owners or
your lease leasers approval on that form on that permit application suting things now if you're an apartment if you're a building owner or whatever if you own the building and you want to convert six units to short-term rental units that's a whole different I mean that's a whole
I would think that that would be a yeah they're not going to approach that by we're gonna just because go and to play Devil's Advocate that's kind of the what I was kind of like gonna go down towards is if in those situations also when yeah you have the owner and they want to flip
those and convert those is that a concern at this time do we need to address that now is there you know I don't think right and they would still have to provide or they would still have to get the license right the shortterm rentals you still have to go through the same
processes yeah and we would C you know if we you know uh this ordinance let say goes through or whatever in however many months and gets adopted and all that you know as if we get those applications in when we get those applications in we can kind of see the trends too right we can
oh so and so wants to convert 20 units of their apartment and you know I mean we would be a kind of catch some of that not saying it's going to happen but yeah okay that we want to not allow it in I no that was one of the things in the ordinance here under subdivision 9
zoning me I don't think there's anything that we need to necessarily exclude at this point I don't think so looks like that's the consensus so okay perect awesome and just one other the owner occupied we were talking about that earlier that would only be for the residential site things right corre
things yeah correct so yeah we we could put in language that would state that in there all right we're good there Nate we're fine there I think yeah no this is great feedback so um what I intend to do then I'll come back um well one other
question public input so you know this would come back in the terms of a ordinance Amendment which would then trigger a public hearing um is there anything else that the Planning Commission wants to do or direct staff
to do for public input on this or is the sufficient process of you know going and having the standard public hearing okay I just want to get that input because I may get asked that too so the inquiry that we do have probably I mean I'm
assuming they have been I mean to get their T I would say that it might be to see if there's anything that their hang up might be perhaps with anything that we're proposing I don't foree anything because I don't think we're
putting a lot of restrictions on things but mean since that's what's starting this whole discussion I think it might be kind of nice to see what they're sure sounds good to me
cool all right well um we have a council Workshop next Monday uh so I will also share uh the feedback that I heard tonight with the council and then Adam can relay anything I forget taking on the spot I'm just
kidding no it'll just be real surface level so we'll we'll probably share this draft that we have and kind of um explain U some of the feedback we heard tonight so cool all right then we'll move on to the second item with old business is the honeybee
discussion yes all right thanks chair uh so um you know very similar but um probably even easier um on this ordinance so uh what I did is uh just um drafted a uh first reading draft of
honeybees and added definitions um that were applicable uh added language that talks about hives would be allowed um basically in any of those residential areas that we have um some
requirements um you know there's probably overkill on on some of these but it's a starting point um I took a lot of what we had shared with um the draft that um sartel had um and kind of um flip that onto uh this draft you know
we talked about setbacks uh we talked about what's called The Fly Highway barrier um we talked about in here having a a sign that identifies that you know the property has you know bees um the density you know really
hoping to get some feedback on that um from what I recollect and what we talked about last month hopefully some of that reflects um but really want to get feedback on the density stuff um what may or may not require permits um if we
require permit you know more of an administrative permit um do we need to require permits I'm just looking for feedback on that and all the above as it relates to the draft so I will open it
up on things that stood out to commission members I don't really believe a permit should be required because I understand these bees aren't pets but like you don't need a permit to have a dog a cat or like any other type of animal
livestock insect or otherwise on somebody's property and if somebody wants to make an attempt at this commercially whether they have a lot of acreage or not that's where things like um getting licenses from the state will
be triggered like if you want to be a homemaker from home making stuff where you're not covered by like OSHA or like any regulatory body I just I don't think a permit would really be necessary for
this do we have licenses for dogs and cats and stuff though no pets we eliminated it three years ago yeah reason like still been pain for one and looking at your attachments
yeah the model ordinance from Minnesota beekeepers that ordinance it contains a lot of good stuff in it you know but to Adam's point I don't think you need I don't think you need to permit it like the standard practices in here is kind of cool you pretty much have the same
for the colony density you pretty much have it burbaum what they have in here as well and then regardless of lot sizes at least to 200 feet from any Hive you know they have like has a lot of good stuff in reading it so we were saying the ordinance would still be an effect but we wouldn't have necessarily have a
permit to have those items right that's kind of what we're would work as if we got like let's say we got a complaint um and we still had these density requirements we would just make sure that they're following those so there' still be you know followup that we could
do um you know so sign should still be there if you have hies sign should still be there to follow yeah if that's what we include in the ordinance yeah Adam you might know this though the presumed Colony Hive value like they say purpose of presume value is like $275 a high
like Colony if you don't have any honey bees cuz they don't make it through the winter you need to start fresh in the spring what people can buy is like just your queen bee and then you'll have a whole bunch of worker bees support and follow that queen bee or you can buy something like an actual colony where
you buy a nuke and a nuke is a queen bee with like 5,000 worker bees comes in a little box and they'll literally ship it to you a USPS crazy and Shake It Up to get to get like a nuke queen bee with worker bees to start your established
Hive in the spring once the snow melts those typically run $150 to $250 CU in theirs you know like if someone damages it do you need to put something in that ordinance that says hey for purposes of enforcing city ordinance against destruction of property each colony Hive
shall be presumed to have a value of 275 is that something you put in there too just well that's that'd be like the noted Worth or like valued cost to replace one if you're starting fresh okay as they work through the summer and the queen produces new cells and like
new larae and new bees they grow their size to about 50 to 100,000 bees okay so the value of the hive the bees the honey the framework they built on everything it could approach $ thousand dollar a hive I just didn't know if you had to
put something in there in case something destroys it or got a bear that wanders through the city and like in the ordinance like if someone destroys the I just thought it it just be a private property that they yeah I just think it was interesting because they had that actually in the
the Minnesota hobby Beekeepers Association like the model beekeeping ordinance what about just aband someone just leaves is there anything like that where they just no want to deal with the hive just leave it
there I have seen that I have seen that like where they yeah abandon hives that you should remove any that are you know but yeah that has I have seen it yeah yeah I just thought that was interesting I asked because that's thing want to
get it was very interesting it was very interesting the last meeting yeah I know Italian bees don't buy Russians bu Russ yeah I I I would agree with that no
permit needed I think okay I like the density stuff You' got if you wanted to simplify it and just go to you know you could go to four under an acre and get rid of those two middle ones or something like that but I I think it's fine yeah to Adam's point if someone
wants to do it they're gonna have to go through other avenues to really well then you'd be working as like a cottage okay what Keith is asking me is um what if somebody wants to sell things and then that's where you'd get triggered into probably applying for a cottage Baker license and not that you're
necessarily you can bake stuff with honey but like if you're just selling comb if you're just selling honey even though you're not baking anything you'd still be applicable to needing that license yeah we we needed herb maple syrup if we wanted to sell
it yeah so we have you know our home occupation permits um and within that standard there's some things that trigger and are called special home occupations and those are the ones that the Planning Commission sees and that you review like the massage therapy
place that we had a few months back but some are just permitted and then some aren't permitted so depending on what they're doing um you know if they're opening up a retail store on site like that's going to trigger other things if they're just selling it out their home and shipping things you know that's not going to trigger any kind of
requirements so it just depends on what they're doing with the product yeah okay I think it's yeah simple also good work on putting it on seven b on what sorry I could seven b on the
agenda you did that on purpose didn't you of course of course I knew you catch that okay um the two other ones you know I don't want to go line by line on this because I got really good feedback and I got a Direction but um you know we had in there that each beekeeper she'll
ensure that water is available within so many feet of the hive I mean I don't know thoughts on that and then that the hives that are made out of wood should be painted sealed or stained that's just to match our fence and our other kind of standards for that I don't any
preferences on those things I don't know most the hes don't typically have like a sealant paint or barrier put on the outside of them like for the health of the hive some people will paint them for pretty aesthetic but like it's not a mandatory thing as far as the general
practice of beekeeping okay a lot of people use raw wood okay okay I think I don't know that I mean I think it's going to be I mean best practices are going to rule in most of these because the people that are doing it are doing it because they've got a genuine
interest and experience so we don't care what we don't care what the hives if they're painted or things like that right yeah the only thing that I experienced there was a hive in my place
is that they infested the pool so anybody in town if neighbors have a pool that's a huge water source and literally they were so bad I couldn't get in pool they were that may be flying around and I actually think that that's why some
cities have that water source in there so then the Water Source on site and they're not going to neighboring properties I don't know ground that's just for summer for kids might have a problem the all sudden bees are surrounding it and their kids
they're getting St yeah I I like having I mean I like the I like anybody doing anything with bees you like you're GNA provide a water source for them we never provide a water source because your concern about being
your pools bees are more particular about water than humans they're not going to drink from a chlorinated pool they drink from pool I like they surrounded it I had a salt pool salt chlorinator but still sorry I don't know
I mean I have microplastics in my blood these don't like they're looking for the cleanest water possible B got it they were there so am I hear to keep that or eliminate that I don't necessary I think
you can get rid of it like you said the people that want to do this probably know what they're doing okay eliminate I'm not going to do it okay yeah I know okay I took care of them don't worry I took care of them I saw the
be justor just put a bucket of water over here I go little bit of bucket of water I don't think they're gonna gock spring fresh straight out all
right anything else in HB discussion not we'll move on to 7c the general up it yeah just a couple um first one the house of Hearn Synergy site over there uh where we're at with that is um basically on the final last
thing for the site plan stuff we're just awaiting a written response from their engineer on our comments and we've already verbally already talked about everything's uh been addressed basically um but one thing that they're working on is with Excel Energy um so Excel Energy
is supposed to have some linesman go out there this week I believe um and Mark it up um there's a distance that they have to be uh from those overhead lines and that's 10 ft um so with the building being close and all that um there's
going to be adjustments that are going to need to be made um uh one of the more easier Solutions is there's a power pole on the Southeast uh corner so right on the corner of second in Minnesota um
right now that power pole is kind of right in the middle of what the accessible path will be um so moving that power pole over closer to the curb provides a clear accessible route of adequate width and then also gives them
a couple extra feet because every foot counts um so they're looking at um doing that and and working through that who incurs the cost of that that's the applicant okay yeah no applicant would be responsible for you know if Excel it
depends on what Excel you know would require if if the applicant needs that separation which they do um then they would be responsible to coordinate that and enact that and you know pay for applicable costs tied to that what some communities do um and this might be a
conversation that comes up at the council eventually is um I know I'm aware of Sock Rapids so they have also uh power lines that go through parts of uh their commercial areas and that and
as our downtown area grows and as we you know you know maybe get more commercial businesses and others you know and that growth occurs we're going to have more buildings that are closer to the street that this is going to be a issue that you know could come up again um so they
will uh underground those utility lines but how that works is um at least through excel's um perview is um they'll underground those lines but but then they do it on a project by project basis so they'll take like maybe like a a
block or two blocks and they'll underground those and the cost of the undergrounding then gets flipped over to the consumers actually of excel so all the Excel consumers in the in the community then get a search charge um
usually that search charge I think in sack Rapids has been like the same amount over the years so as they are going through different projects and say the most recent project gets completed the power lines are underground they actively look for other projects to
continue um so they have a active sear charge that's kind of at that same amount and it doesn't disappear and then two years later come back so you know um at the council level it might be worth exploring and having conversation with
Excel on how exactly that would work um to be proactive um because if we get more of these it's going to be a Case by case thing um but maybe it makes sense to look at a block or two blocks of our expanded downtown try to underground
some stuff um you know and from what I understand it's a pretty minimum charge when you apply it across the spectrum of all the consumers you know $5 or $6 it just depends on the amount of you know land that you're undergrounding and
another factors so um I was going to chat more with Excel um reps on that you know for example if we took um you know from second over to the West one block like what would that look like from a cost standpoint and then what would that look like from a sear charge standpoint
on any consumers and such you know we talking $3 a month $5 like what would that be so I don't know that four line replacement and pool replacement stuff going on I'm curious as to how old the stuff is downtown because
good question it sure does make sense to move stuff when it's going to be reworked in the first place yes I know there's more cost to putting it underground but if they're replacing it anyways I would think that the cost that would be transferred on would be ideally
would be less I I don't know I just a thought yeah so I mean we're kind of trying to explore that um and how can we be proactive in that so um but that FYI that's where House of Hearn is at for that one um what was on the originally
on the agenda that I yanked that will come back later probably is the wedding event benu um so I totally space this but when they went to the council um the council had adopted their resolution and they're finding a fact on September 5th of last year um but then they came back
to the council um because a couple conditions got amended or eliminated and they came back in November so the cup is actually good till November 20th of this year not September so it gives them a
couple extra months but um You probably still see an extension request it just depends on what they can accomplish between now and um prior to that date so um other update I have is um what was called the Tyler bramman
project the one where there's multiple buildings in that uh we're basically we're going to be issuing site planine approval uh this week so then that'll move them on to building permit and then um construction so you'll see some more stuff moving out there Hansen and Company will be breaking ground really
any day so um yeah some good projects um going to be breaking ground out there and then good in company um we might be doing a grand like ribbon cut ribbon cutting sometime this month so good stuff happening um still trying
to facilitate some housing um have a couple meetings this week uh in regards to housing and infill projects kind of your low hanging fruit so we'll see where those go is there a property that was sold
over by Dollar General yeah yep so uh I don't know if it was officially sold I know it was like on the finish line of that um but yes that one you might see I think that one might trigger a cup um it's kind of
a odd cup though because um in our highway district we have conditional uses for I think it's like office type of use or something like that and it triggers a conditional use but there's really not a lot of applicable conditions that would
probably apply to that one but yeah it's not it's retail yeah and I can't remember the exact use for that one and which one is the one but I know it it triggers a a cup but it's talks about like interior
stuff and it's yeah yeah I think it might be the warehousing actually yeah yep so that triggers cup but they're not going to have any outside storage they're not going to have it you know so those conditions I would anticipate are going to be you know very minimum I don't even
know what we put on there to be honest because it's just interior warehousing um with some I think it's some office space so yeah that that one might be forthcoming um we'll see um but what else um by cob are the roundabout they
oh yeah yeah open I was yeah after so there's there's more right away wrinkles that have come up um in regards to that so the state or the county has to um square away all the RightWay and then send those plans to
the state and then the state has to approve it and then you go off for bidding well we had an issue with one of the properties with RightWay and that took couple months at least um and there's been another one that's come up that's so we're still hoping that um we
can move forward uh with that project but the longer it drags out and the later we get into July and now August is around the corner um you know it may be delayed to next year well we just have to see on how that
plays out so we will see more to come put it that way then the roundabout at two would be going out the same time potentially that's slated for June 1st to June 15 next year is there a date in which the county
has decided that if they can't get their rways accomplished that it will be kicked the next year is there a date where they I'm sure they do have kind of a timeline because they probably have um from bidding to construction they probably have that full timeline I'm not sure what that is though and what that
length would be so I I'm sure though they probably have an idea though on that determination so it hasn't gone off the bids yet spending fun 25 yeah hopefully we can still you know
keep things going yeah all right oh I anything else I'll just uh if we don't have any that's it for General updates that you had yeah that's all I have all right so then I guess we're
just looking for no no other business unless anybody else has anything I have an update on cannabis uh Rick schulzer mayor was at the capital during our legislative session met with a lot of different people and the office of cannabis
management the ocm has been established we've been waiting waiting for that to occur so there could be some type of oversight and regulation to allow the businesses that people are looking to propose um I had offered up in just that St Joseph should have a municipal
dispensary and I was actually serious when I said that but that won't any um talk or discussion that won't occur this year because Sterns County has passed a moratorium for the whole County and that may be to the benefit of most of us because even though our o c m is
established it looks like an utter mess like they they have the office established and they have people employed by the state but they just cannot Define what they want for language how they want to tax things how
they want to issue licenses whether Municipal dispensaries can be established by city or not if that inhibits them all business you may have like per capita for your population base so our state government has our overseeing
committee the ocm but like nothing's going to happen this year you say Stern has more code until 25 is that what it is through the end of the year one thing that eventually the PC might weigh in on again is appropriate zoning
districts so just um keep that in the the back of your head and that and think about that a little bit so yeah like your idea that's right
money I moved to a Jour second all right got a motion a second all in favor all right we're journ thanks everyone for the feedback