Call the meeting to order at 6 o' um >> recording in progress. >> Oh, that didn't mean uh everybody rise for the pledge of >> allegiance. America stands nationy
andice for all. Okay, next we'll move to public comment. Any public comment for things not on the agenda? Seeing none, we will move to agenda review and adoption.
Can I get a motion for >> Okay. All in favor say I. I um we'll move to minutes from October
13th. Can I get a >> All in favor? >> Then new business. Have a cup for Duckandorf. >> All right. Thank you, chair. For your consideration this evening is a conditional use permit and variance
request. Subject property is located off of Sterling Drive. This is the area of town that we call um St. Joseph Industrial Park East. Um it is a area that was annexed into the city around 2018
and was previously in St. Joseph Township. All the properties out here along with the subject property is zoned light industrial. The proposal is to do outside storage on these two highlighted lots here. The items that will be stored
outside are tied to the Beline property off Ridgewood Road or Ridgewood Court. And future plans for this proposal do include eventually constructing a building and full site development of
the site. Um that timetable is to be determined. The variance is to allow the applicant to install class 2 gravel on the surface to store the associated vehicles and equipment.
Two graphics here. The one to the left shows the rough area that will be fenced in uh through a chain link fence. Um the area with the blue box in it shows the spot on the properties that will be
where the storage will occur. Conditional use permit. As you may recall, the commission does have the right to recommend conditions tied to any one of these items on here. A lot of these items for this request are not
applicable, but the commission does have the ability to tie any of these conditions. And some of these you will see in the staff recommendation, staff recommended conditions of approval. Couple ones that I will highlight here
is the fourth bullet point down that talks about just no junked or inoperable vehicles stored on site. We did talk with the applicant about that and that will not be an issue and that is not the intent at all for the storage of these
vehicles. The storage area also since it's going to be fenced in with a gate, we would require that a damma box be installed to allow emergency vehicles access um should they need to get in there. and um
you know in case of a worst case scenario or that the variance um so if the variance is approved this evening to allow crush granite that at the time a building is built or so full site
development occurs and the property goes through site plan review then um at that time all ordinances and that should be met on site. Right now the property has two subject properties. Those will be
combined into one parcel and that eliminates the conflict with storing vehicles and such on a shared property line and setbacks. So those two lots will become one. And then also just some various template language that we
include um including revion, expiration of the cup and then other requirements and permits for storm water. Um, we also had a condition on there tied to that they should follow storm water best management practices. The area that they
are disturbing does not trigger any um permits through um what's called MPDES. Um so it's just more or less controlling that onsite. Again, this is a pretty minimum area that they are disturbing.
Um there is a portion of the land that's on the north end of the lot that will service as a future storm water collection area and infiltration area when fulls site development does occur. Uh variance just some highlights again
this is the criteria that we look at for variances. So um are they consistent with the comprehensive plan? Are they consistent with the general purposes and intent? Um are there practical difficulties including the property being used in a
reasonable manner? Um are the circumstances unique and will the variance if granted not alter the essential character which means will it be within um will not be out of place with surrounding properties and adjacent
properties for the variance. Since the project does require a conditional use permit, we have the ability to place conditions on the cup and the variance. Um, if approved, for example, again, the item that I had mentioned earlier, allowing
class 2 gravel now, but requiring paved or asphalt concrete surfacing once the site is fully built out with a building. Although there's no such thing as a temporary variance, um, variances do run
with the land. So they are not attached to a particular applicant or owner. Once a variance is granted, it runs with the land. Um but given that we can place conditions on that variance and the conditional use permit. Um one of those conditions again alludes to allowing the
class 2 gravel until that site is fully built out and developed with a building. The industrial park east does have similar outside storage uses around the property. Um again, all this land was annexed into the city back in 2018
and many of those existing uses were pre-existing. Um just to the south and to the south west um for example, there is a multitude of different properties that have outside storage of a even larger scale than what's being proposed
here. So the actions this evening for your consideration are two public hearings. The first public hearing is for the conditional use permit. Then we would ask that the commission make a motion on the resolution. Again, you can add
conditions um that are reasonable onto that conditional use permit. Um the one note I do have is the title of the resolution. Um I had summit comments, but that should be um MPBC management.
So if you take up that resolution, that would be the one note that I have from a staff perspective. And then again, a public hearing on the variance and motion to approve the resolution. As with most variances that we do have, we do have another resolution um should
you be inclined to deny it. So that's the actions being requested this evening. I will yield for questions and the applicant is here in attendance. question and they're pretty general questions and you guys may be able to answer for me. I'm sure you will. But the first one is
the storage of vehicles. Um, if you can tell me how many vehicles, what kind of vehicles, and are they inventory vehicles, or are these client vehicles, customer vehicles? >> They could be finished trailers that we've worked on at Beline. Um, limited
what space we have there right now with the volume we're doing. That's why it's a very close property. Uh we're looking if if the trailer would be finished and somebody can't come and pick it up right away. We'll probably place that out there. Um we're looking to store um
watercraft units on trailers. >> Um >> when you say watercraft storing are these customers? >> Nope. The Well, they could be both. They could be both. either our sales inventory on trailers or finished customer work, >> but not somebody who just has a boat
that they want you. >> Absolutely not. >> And pretty much limited to >> the inventory we're selling. The inventory we're selling, lawnmowers, watercraft. I mean, there could be a used vehicle out there. highly unlikely,
but um and then finished repairs. >> Okay. And I'm assuming that this is not going to be a site that you're bringing clients to. This is your own employees back and forth. Correct.
>> And activity about how much how often will you guys be accessing this area daily? >> I would say on a daily. Yes. How often? I can't answer that, but I mean We'd be visiting it on a daily. >> And you know, we talked about your plans
to build on the site. Um, how do you plan to use it in the future? What kind of building? How soon before you put whatever building is going up? >> I'd love to give you an answer on the time frame. Right now, I can't. Um, I don't know. But, um, if we do do a building, more than likely, initially,
it's going to be a cold storage building for us, for our use, so we can keep new inventory inside. So, >> but not a salesoriented type storage. >> No, >> but no time frame.
>> No time frame on that. >> I have a couple other questions, too. So the site access the site map that you had there Nate it showed like the fenced in area was a lot larger than the actual gravel or paved area >> but >> can I address that the building that
that's the building that's proposed there not the that blue line is proposing the setbacks on the um south west and well the north were way p way off the property line on the
north side. Um, the back line is the one I would have a question on reading the ordinances is I'm not sure some ordinances say that back property line can be right on the fence could be right on that property line. So I do need clarification on
that. >> So the 19,000 square feet is actually the future building >> a co that's that would be maximum. >> That would be a >> So then which area are we talking about paving and everything else around it or or added gravel? just gravel in the
fenced in area. So there's going to be lawnmowing around the front back and north the front the street side and the north side for sure and then whatever we're probably going to leave the fence off the back line too so we can properly mow it. >> So would that trigger the storm water
thing then right over half acre? >> So uh it's over an acre for MPTs. Yeah. So, we'd still be under that and apologies for the misunderstanding or thank you for clarifying that, John. Um, so I I will say that we have um spoke
with our engineer in regards to the disturbance and everything for both scenarios um for full buildout and everything. So, as long as they are not directing that storm water offsite or impacting, you know, rightway areas and
things like that, um then that's what we're looking at this at this stage. So >> So does one driveway into the site or two? >> Yes, one. >> Just one. >> One gate, one driveway. >> Questions from here. >> Yeah. So
>> So on the on the left, >> y >> that you're wanting to gravel that whole lot there. The whole blue out the perimeter. >> That's what I'm hoping to do. It's similar to what Tamarak did to the uh south there. I mean,
>> okay. And then on the right would be a future that would be where future building and then they would have to asphalt the and not have gravel anymore. So yeah, the way that we have the condition written is that upon full site
buildout with a principal structure or building um that at that time they would have to go through site plan review and then adhere to all of our requirements including the paving and other components. >> Okay. So are there storm drains in this
development? Are there any? >> No. >> So >> no. So there's no utilities out to this development. So all these properties in St. Joseph Industrial Park East are on private systems for septic septic and well. >> So So then
there isn't any runoff >> there. Can you had a picture a previous picture? I think I saw if you see there >> there's two there's two storm water ponds right there. Y >> and then that little one that's on the north end of the property
>> is there's a culvert running from that one to that other one. Okay. >> Yep. >> Got it. >> Are there li What are their ordinance say as far as imperous surface as a percentage of the lot area? >> Um that I can double check
>> because that would be one of the questions I would have with the area. I mean understanding that there's that kind of the drainage portion and that north flag up there. Um, and then the access. Um, I guess my recommendation is that
access would be paved hard surface at least to the right of way line so that you're not tracking gravel and whatnot out depending on where that access gets placed. >> That's fine. >> I mean I just from a maint >> there's a lot of properties out there
that aren't that way. But >> yeah, but they well they were also built before it was annexed and >> No, I got you then. There are no, if I'm not mistaken, there are no um utility easements or anything on like that lot line that would that lot that would be
>> uh just on the rear. >> Yeah. So, just on the rear, not the lot line between the two parcels. >> No. >> Okay. So, there's nothing that would need to be vacated or anything like that. >> Correct. >> Um >> and I don't I'm just pulling it up. I
>> We lost our pictures. >> Yeah. I'm I'm researching. >> He doesn't want to screen doesn't want to show us. >> Oh. So, so what entry would you be wanting to access it off of? The Sterling Cuz what's this other dirt road that's >> Sterling? Huh? >> Is that someone else's driveway?
>> Yes, that's that's the Tamarak land to the >> There's a There is a There is a driveway right right on the edge. >> Is there an existing driveway onto these two parcels somewhere at all? >> No, not at all.
So uh to answer answer your question um uh Gina is the impervious is 80%. >> Okay. So that it would be limited to 80% of the lot area. >> Total lot total lot area. Correct. >> Correct. >> And Nate you did say that there were
other conditions that would have to be met when the lot is built out. I'm assuming that would include >> the landscaping rules and things. We don't have to do that >> correct >> at this point in time. But they would come into Yep. Correct. And from my understanding, there's no lighting that's proposed um on the site. So
again, that would be if there's lighting as part of that building photometric plan and making sure that those lights are cut off style. So yeah, it's the full site plan kind of review that um Mr. Dondorf would have to go through. >> So security isn't a concern at this
point in time, but it's finished out. >> Well, the security that I'm going hoping for is the fence. Okay. I you know it's locked property is only for honest people anyway. >> What kind of talking about they're like
chain link or or what kind of fence are we >> I was hoping a chain link. Um I mean we could up it to I mean non-galvanized. We could make it black. I mean but it's whatever. I mean it is an industrial. I mean there's other
chain link fencing out there. I guess my my my biggest thoughts would be to work with the engineer as far as an appro appropriate access point um for access to the to the properties um off of Sterling Drive
um so that that's not in conflict with any other driveways or any other traffic issues out there. Um and then to limit the amount of surfacing to that 80% of the total lot area. >> My guess is the driveway would be
somewhere where that close to the widest part there like where that yellow line's coming out >> just to make just to make it easy access. >> I'd be a little bit concerned with just the adjacency to the uh the drive to tamarack >> going there. So that would that's kind of why I suggested working with
>> Isn't there another setback from one drive to the other? >> I don't think there is in an industrial um but that would be my only concern with placement of the of the drive. I mean it's going to be in somewhere in that wider section just because >> it would make it the easiest but
>> yeah I mean otherwise it's going to be pretty tough but I I think and maybe the engineer would say it would be okay to have them basically adjacent to each other. I'm going to let him make that call >> would be my thought. >> Well, that wouldn't be the most convenient for us, but I'll do whatever.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, and obviously working with you as an advocate with future plans to potentially develop, it'd be nice to >> put that access point in once. >> Right. Correct. And Nate, this question is is kind of for you. If we do pass the variance and
we say you can leave the lot as it is, you know, with the crushed granite, you know, instead of putting down or concrete or whatever, can we can we and again because we don't know when you're going to build it out, do we have the
ability to say we can have this lot like this like for three years and then if the building hasn't if there's no building going on come back and look at it and say, "Okay, let's go ahead and and put down
a surface tower, whatever >> at this point in time or look at it and say, okay, let's take a look at what your building plans are." So, we don't go indefinitely with this particular, you know, surface. >> So, uh, what I can say to that is
variances do run with the land. Um, so there's no timetable. Um, it's not like use where we can designate a timetable to that. Um so um I would say long as you're short, no, I wouldn't recommend
that you put a timet on it just because I don't think that would hold up. Um so what we did to kind of cover for that is upon full sight build out um whenever that may be. Um and if down the road um
whoever owns the property because again variances run with the land. So if Mr. Dondorf for whatever reason sells it and it's it's out there and then plans change um it would still those conditions would still apply to the other owner as well. So if they come
back with a different plan for a different building or whatever different way to develop the site, it would still trigger that to come back. And if they didn't want to do that, then they'd have to request an amendment to that conditional use. So, >> you know, so if we go ahead and approve
the variance and Mr. Dr. Brook decides, I'm just going to leave it, you know, like it is and I'm not going to build a cold storage building up. I just want to leave it and the other people around him are building nice, you know, buildings with nice t surfaces and their lots are
done. This one would stand out then as being different. And my concern is would we, you know, obviously we wouldn't to say, "Let's get this paid now because it's out of sync with everything else that's going >> if that would happen."
>> Yeah. >> Y >> I have a couple questions. So, what is the reasoning for wanting to do >> um >> we need the storage because we've grown we've what we've done at Beline have grown
>> and that's not a big enough area. >> But with not wanting to do full pavement now and just >> the amount of dollars that we've already spent on the beline project. >> I'd like to catch up.
>> So then I guess for the commission I just want to point out in our packet Nate does have it pointed out under variance criteria um to keep in mind that the in harmony with the ordinance and
then also economic considerations alone should not justify practical difficulty. >> Any other questions, comments, discussion? >> No. Well, I'll add one quick note to this. Um I know um one of the at least
in our conversations, correct me if I'm wrong, um is part of what you also were looking at with this project was the unknown on how that building would play out and how that building like how big
where exactly it'd be placed and things like that. >> Correct. So because when we had initially spoke um that was the exact question I had was in terms of like why class 2 gravel? Why not paving it? Um and that came up in our conversations
was um you wanted to do that now because you weren't sure how the site was going to fully develop. >> Correct. >> So to put in paving >> and then rip it out and then pay for it again. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But I just wanted to add that. But >> we allow we've allowed that before.
class five and class two as a >> Oh yeah. So yeah. So um every variance is unique and every variance should be reviewed and applied per the ordinance and statutory requirements. So I know it
can be easy to compare like one project to another to another. Um but I would keep that in mind first. Um the second one is yes we have had numerous variance requests um for doing gravel on sites.
Um, a couple that I can provide for example is um, Summit Commons off the Wagon Trail was just outside storage um, out there. Um, their Hansen and Company, the rear of their building um,
a variance to do class two gravel. Um, Rolling Ridge had um, a variance to do um, grass surface. Um, so there's been numerous ones, but again, every project is unique and different. So I don't want
to um shine a light on those necessarily and say just because those were granted there means that it should be granted here, you should evaluate this one on its own um because it's unique for that. Um, I will say if the city continues to
receive variance requests for certain things that I would recommend a larger conversation occur in terms of the ordinance that people are consistently requesting variances to because we don't want to be in a situation where we're just granting variance after variance
for the same thing. Um, so that's my two cents. If if the city were to require a hard surface paving concrete, is there a criteria as to what that pavement section would be or is it up to the
property owner as to what they put down? Because I'm I'm envisioning, you know, if you don't know what the plan is, I'm envisioning the ability to go in and put down a inch and a half of black top over basically existing soils. it's going to get beat to heck when you're driving on
it and it's going to look worse than gravel. So I I my question was if there's a section that would be required or how that works. >> Yeah. So great question. So we do not dictate that. >> Um the only time we dictate that is if it is any kind of public roads, streets,
access points. Um so no All right. So, we should probably open the public hearing at this point. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll go ahead and open the public hearing for the conditional use permit. Seeing nobody, I am going to close the
public hearing then we'll go ahead and do you want should we motion on that one and then move on? Probably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, need Motion to approve the
resolution PC 2025 06 adopting the finding of facts recommendation the city recommending the city council issue conditional use permit with conditions. Did you want to add those the
access pay of hard service and have it listed to limit to 80% lot area per ordinance or >> are you making sure >> are you making the motion? >> I'm asking >> oh >> if that was for the C or if that was for
the C. >> I think so. >> Yeah. Tie it into the if the variance is approved. Not well >> because number eight on the criteria >> talks about the present proposal consists of gravel surfacing which
requires a variance. >> So yeah, would that be on the variance or would it be on the conditional use? >> So I would say that would be on the conditional use. >> Okay. So probably on both in reality.
>> You could Yep. Yep. So, I'm looking for a motion. >> I would make a motion to approve the conditional use uh permit application for outdoor storage with the conditions listed in our packet. In addition,
um if it were to be uh you know, if the variance is approved and there's the gravel surfacing is allowed that be limited to 80% of the total per the ordinance.
And in addition, um the access be uh well on a typical site, you would locate the access with a development plan.
Um access would be coordinated with city and the engineer and would be paved to the right of way. That's what I'm gonna That's just the the motion in addition to the other conditions in the
in the resolution. >> Second >> to synopset class two is acceptable 80% max volume figure out the driveway thing. >> The conditional use is for the use of this of the area parking. So the cup is
just for the parking right now. condition that we're adding the access. >> Varian is the class two question. >> Class two is the variance. >> So that comes up later. >> Yep. >> Second it as presented. >> All in favor say I. >> I.
>> All opposed. >> Okay. Cup passes. We will open the public hearing on the variance. Please come forward if you have anything to say. Seeing no one, we will close the public
hearing on the variance. I will make a motion to approve resolution 2025027A um adopting the findings of effect to approve a variance to the minimum parking lot standards uh allowing the crash granite surfacing
limited to 80% of the total lot area for the ordinance and that would be it I believe it is with the conditions that are outlined in the >> Yeah, with the conditions that are outlined in the resolution, I believe it's consistent with the area and all
the other things listed in there. >> Sorry, >> I'll second. I'll second to get rid of you. >> Be glad to get rid of me. >> I'll second. >> All All in favor say I. >> I.
>> All opposed? I motion passes. So, looks like we're on new business C data centers. >> All right. So, I'll make this kind of
quick. So, I just wanted to plant a seed in all of your heads that I would like to provide time allows for look into data centers and researching data centers. Right now, our code is silent
on that use. There's a couple uses that we list in our industrial park that maybe we could stretch as similar, but I would side on the side of no. um that we would and should look at establishing a
regulatory framework on data centers. It's going to be quite rare that St. Joseph would be a ideal location for numerous reasons. Um the biggest is data centers require a extraordinary amount of water and sewer use. Um specifically
water um oftent times even their own treatment plant on site. um you're talking about millions and millions of gallons. So um even though we might not be a ideal location or a lowhanging fruit for one of these um having that
regulatory framework in place I think sets us up well and puts us in a proactive stance versus reactive stance. So, uh, over the course of 2026, as time allows, I'll probably be trying to share some research on how other communities
handle data centers. Again, a data center is a large complex that's really meant for storage, processing, and computing for things like AI um, and that. So, you'll often see Google,
Amazon, companies like that. Um again, if you have followed any of the news articles on data centers, um there's numerous ones that have popped up throughout the state, um often with a lot of controversy tied to them, um in
particular to their potential impacts to adjacent properties and such um or on city utilities. So, um, I'll pause there, but it's really just a FYI and planting a seed in all of your heads if you really want to look into data
centers. It's an interesting topic, but yeah, >> sounds good. Okay, then I guess we'll move on to new business letter D, comprehensive plan. All right.
So, we're gonna go one by one on every single strategy and goal in our comprehensive plan. Are you ready? >> You're being serious. >> No. >> No. >> We're not going to turn this into a three-hour meeting. Come on.
>> Clear and concise. That's the goal that I I strive for. So what I do want to do though is we have about six chapters and I just want to put a highlight and put an area of opportunity for each of those chapters. Stop me if you have questions.
I did include all the strategies and goals in your packet. So um I just wanted to highlight to first again put the comprehensive plan at the forefront that this is a document that is a living breathing document that we are applying
um and many of the departments are oftentimes without even you know really recognizing that. So I like to first recognize that uh work that we are doing. >> What does it do for an update? So, it's Yeah. So, since we're greater Minnesota,
it's not a mandatory update. Um, if you're in the metro, the seven county metro area, it is a mandatory 10-year update because you're tied to the Met Council and the Met Council requirements. Um, in greater Minnesota, we still strive for every 10 years. So,
our last one was 2018. So, kind of insane to say that we're already approaching that in a couple more years. Um so we've been putting away dollars in our budget to plan for that and then um with the goal of doing that um within
the 10 years or so. So >> I will say that the process last time I mean was really good. I I the the consultant we had as a city was they did a nice job with it. I thought they put together a very a plan with longevity. I thought
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's actually really cool because one of the gentlemen that worked on that plan um that was involved, I actually run into him pretty frequently at different conferences and that >> um and still recalls working in in St.
Joseph and very fond memories of that plan and that. So um so let's just dive into this real quick. Again, I'll try to be clear and concise. So, um, in our land use chapter, one of our goals and strategies is to promote redevelopment and infill in the downtown. Um, there's
numerous projects over the last number of years that have pointed to the success in that. You know, spec specifically along the Birch Street corridor, the house food and tap where we took a old dilapidated site, turned that into new. Um, an area of opportunity though is community
gateways. So, we have in our budget um community gateways um to do new signage at these gateways now that we have our first roundabouts in town. Um we have reached out to the county in regards to what they would allow in that and it is
pretty flexible all things considering for the county level. Um so that might be something that we look into more in the next year or two is enhancing those gateways and beautifying those gateways. um making the entrance into St. Joseph
um welcoming in that housing. We have a strategy encouraging rehabilitation of homes. We got what's called a small cities development program grant that will fund about 10 to 12 properties in town for owner occupied housing where
they can do things like windows, doors, and siding improvements. Um an area of opportunity. Um so one of our strategies was tied to accessory dwelling units. Um we talk about how do we create more housing opportunities in town and how do
we work on those infill areas where we already have water and sewer and utilities. That could be an avenue especially when we talk about the core downtown area that maybe that's a potential
um transportation. uh just identifying pedestrian and bicycle transportation gaps. We updated our transportation plan in 2022 and we determined our top trail and sidewalk projects as part of that. Um whoever was
on the commission at that time um you might recall some of uh the work that we did on that along with park board and council. And then an area of opportunity is we have a complete streets um goal. Um and that means complete streets
designing all streets for all types of users, bicyclists, pedestrians. Um so we could look at maybe adopting a complete streets policy that just cements the vision and goals of the city and making it our transportation network
as inclusive as possible to all users. economic development um again through the supporting redevelopment in downtown as a highlight and a win area of opportunity. We've talked in the past about having intern and um you know
liaison on the board. Um so we are working on that. Um I'm actually working with our park department on a potential intern that would be a CSBSJU student who would help the park department and the planning and community development
department. So, parks and wreck um provide a trail and sidewalk system that connects natural environments of the city, rivers bend development south of town. We completed that project this year with grant money. Um that was just south of a million-doll
improvement down there. um area of opportunity is also that same goal and strategy because we have that beautiful trail but we do not have that trail connected to the larger trail system and I'll talk more about that in my general
updates. um sustainability. Um we talk about new developments conser conserving water resources. Um the recent project that was approved by the council and acted on by the commission keepers that did provide an opportunity to capture some of the city's future storm water
needs and um future storm water um you know concerns through the dedication of an outlot. um thus saving the city, you know, not just money but also saving the city um in terms of the storm water capacity along that corridor. Um area of
opportunity um looking at incentives for uh different energy efficient designs and construction. Don't know how that would play out but um some communities do um provide some incentives in that wheelhouse. Uh I think this is the last one. So, um,
community engagement continue. We really have amped up our social media usage, um, from mo all of our departments, um, especially parks and wreck and that. So, just continuing to use that as a way to streamline information. Area of
opportunity is kind of similar to one of the previous ones is um, this one specifically speaks to youth participation on advisory committees and city boards. Um so we talked about this some years back in the past about maybe
having a liaison from the college on the planning commission and that or have a role um on our various boards and that so that's it just four slides five slides I think. So,
um, I'll yield if you had any questions for me or if you saw anything that popped out in the comprehensive plan that you're like, "Hey, what are we doing in this area or what can we be doing?" Um, just let me know either now
or offline or whatever. So, >> any questions, discussion? Okay, we will move to new business E which is 2026 land use submitt deadlines. >> I just need a motion on that submitt
deadline calendar for 2026. >> All in favor? >> All opposed? Motion passes. Um, moving on to number seven, old business zoning amendment for tattoo
shops and definition for beauty salons and tattoo shop. >> Yeah. So, this follows the conversation we had in the past a few months back here. I just included the language on one how we would define a beauty salon
and then how we would fi define a tattoo and body art. Um, so just zoom to that. I just wanted to provide this ahead of time because I would anticipate that we would move forward next month with a formal public hearing um to update the
ordinance. Um you'll recall we had a request um tied to this and we didn't have a definition for what is a beauty salon. Um, so we threw those two definitions in here and then also added it to the permitted uses um, right here um, within our downtown district, which
would also mean that it's a permitted use in our highway commercial district. So, I'll yield for questions. Y >> no, I was >> um, beauty salons. We talk about barber and beauty salons. Are they and and then we talk about the tattoo body art and
the tattoo body art says licensed business. the beauty salon and barbers. Are those required to be l are those required to be licensed or >> so? Um not through us. We don't require a license. Um
>> but so the So we don't require a license for them, but we would for we'd have a separate city license for >> tattoo. Correct. Yep. We actually do. So we actually have Yes. So this is the
unique component. So we have a license application for tattoo. Um but we don't have any tattoo and our code is silent on that use. Um it could be potentially
implied that that falls under the barber beauty salon. That's the closest use. Um but in our last discussions we wanted to more or less clarify um because it can be a stretch to include that. Um so let's define what a beauty salon is. Let's define what a
tattoo body art place is. Let's put it in there. Let's make it clear. >> Yep. >> So >> um and just tattoo body art or is there a need to put something like tattoo body art studio salon whatever. I mean >> um yeah >> there's a
>> it's a that's a good question. Um, so in the research I did, a lot of cities use what is proposed um or something very similar to that. Okay. Um, some just have body art establishment, some just have tattoo. >> We're good. >> Yep. Y
>> Okay, those are my questions so far. >> Yeah, and that fits with what I was going to ask because I was just checking on the licensing requirements for a tattoo. They do need to be licensed and we don't need to make that specific here because we've already got it written in the code that they have to >> we already have it in the code. We have
a license application. We have it in our fee schedule. We have all the bases covered but we got to go back to the zoning. >> Yeah. So, and I I don't know. I mean, some of you may can speak to this more than I can if you have the historic
knowledge of the community and the last time maybe a tattoo place was in town. I don't know. I don't I can't answer that. So, I would assume that at one time there was because we have a license application, but I could be wrong. So,
>> the last 20 years that I can remember, >> I have a question. >> Yeah. So with this and how specific our definition is. In general, tattoo shops generally do
like piercings. Is that going to be kind of included with the body art part or not included at all? >> Correct. So we reference like needles and such um in there. So yes, we would include that. We would consider Yeah.
under that Okay. Because it specifically under the definition does state provides permanent tattoos and makeup >> using needles and pink. >> Yeah. Yeah. So >> So would we want to include >> just to add the word piercings to it? >> Piercings
>> of some sort. >> Do we go body art instead of piercings? Because I think piercings you're going to get into like a >> wider >> Yeah. I think if you go if you just consider it as body art. I mean, if you go licensed business provides permanent tattoos
and makeup or permanent tattoos, comma, makeup. Well, permanent tattoos and makeup, comma, and body art to clients using needles and ink >> and body art includes piercings. >> I would I would I would define I mean I
would >> So body art would include any modifications to your body. So it I mean like painting I meanclude Yeah. Yep. Yep. Sorry. Lack of >> words. Okay.
>> So, that's not too vague is what you're saying the definition. >> I don't think so. Um I actually I conversated with the attorney a little bit um in the early stages of this. I don't think she's seen this exact definition, but um yeah, it um you know,
we could add if the commission wants to add additional verbiage, but I think that this would cover us regardless for those other types of uses. It's really any it's really any modification to a body, you know, whether it's art or
>> does the license reference that? >> What's that? the licensing. Does it reference body piercings, that kind of thing? >> It's just uh uh that's another question. I don't know. I don't know. >> Yeah, because that's kind of my sub
question then is are we going to run into a problem with that with >> Yeah, because I'd want to make sure that the licensing includes that. If you're going to do tattoos and you're going to do body art, >> then you should also be liced. >> There's going to be piercings. You need to be licensed to do all that kind of stuff for infection purposes and things
like that. I wouldn't feel safe. >> I mean, I'm sure I'm assuming the state has >> a safety pin. >> I I would probably have to follow up on that. Um >> I mean, I'm assuming the state has
requirements for all of those as well. >> Yeah. So, I mean, any state requirements regardless, they'll have to meet those and and follow those. I would say just making sure that this the ordinance language is consistent with the city's permit or the >> license application.
>> That's the words. >> I don't so I know it's in our fee schedule. I I don't see it within our license folder. So >> it might be one of those instances where we have a fee tied to it, but I don't know if we have an actual application
created. I'll double check though. Whatever the language is, I think just to make sure that it's consistent between the two if there are would be the the biggest issue. >> That's a good point. >> Okay. >> Are you looking for anything on this or just feedback? >> No. Um just feedback because I would
intend for next month um to bring this back and then do a formal public hearing. >> Any other discussion on that one? >> Moving on then to Can we do G old business general updates and other business general updates at
the same time? >> Yes, let's do that. >> So, Keepers broke ground. Is that last week or the week before now? Um, so they did um they'll be constructing over the
winter here um on their 42 unit apartment project over there on the east side of town. We are looking at applying for what's called a TA grant. So a TA grant is a transportation alternatives grant and will likely be targeting the trail that
would connect Riversbend Park to the trail on College. Um it would meander through portions of Kennedy. Um so we have a couple um conversations to have. A few years back we did have some
conversations with the school district and they were supportive of that. Um but there's been some leadership changes and such too. Um but we're looking at targeting that. Um and we might have a resolution for the council to consider next week in terms of submitting a full
application for that. There was an email that I sent off in regards to a award that a project got in the city. So if you have an interest in attending that, you can just attend the lunchon um and be there for that. Um so
just let me know. And then also I've been working on planning for what's called our connecting entrepreneurial communities conference. This is the conference that is run through the University of Minnesota and I pulled together a local team to help plan for
that conference. It will be September 17th and 18th. It's a Thursday and a Friday. Friday is typically half a day. There will be a total of 16 breakout sessions. Those breakout sessions will be held in businesses in mostly our
downtown district, but then also um a couple outside of our downtown district like Industrial Park or Highway District. Um so we'll have shuttle services for those ones that are offsite. uh about 115 120-ish people is usually
the attendance, but we our local team is super enthusiastic and we want to shatter every attendance record and just get it the word out there. Um, so it it's it's going to be exciting because also in the past this conference has
been more geared towards like professionals and like the economic development realm and such, but we are opening up that um where we want to have heavy attendance with entrepreneurs, you know, entrepreneurs that are new,
entrepreneurs that are seasoned and we really want the whole ecosystem of the economic development realm to really be in attendance there. We want economic development professionals. We want entrepreneurs. We want resource providers. Um like the small business
development centers. We want a full gamut of representation. Um so we'll be able to highlight our community and the different venues that we have and um places. So if you want more information on that um I can share
that. And then next month um I would anticipate that we'll be getting a application. we're supposed to get it this week um for the monastery. Um so they're going to be um you know building new and such. So I anticipate that we'll be reviewing a preliminary plat for
that. And there's also a couple lots that are part of that site that are outlots that are zoned differently. They're zoned R1 single family. Um, so the replat is kind of a consolidation of
those lots, expanding those into one lot. So that will entail not just a preliminary plat, but also a reszoning application and such, too. So, um, just a heads up on that. I'm done.
>> Can you send us conference information? >> Yeah. Yep. >> Anything else? Anybody going once? Going twice. Okay. >> All in favor? >> Recording stopped.
I'm not that familiar with their their whole campus. >> Yeah, they took that. I didn't even notice that >> because they're small. They're smaller. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's changing like everything
else. >> Good job. Good job. >> I forgot how to talk today. I got like language issues. >> Yeah, I know. I'm better at providing commentary than I am. >> You did just fine,
>> Gina. It's been great.