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see here 7th. All right. We. It's sort of that get ready. Called a meeting of the Saint Paul City Council to order Roll Call, please. Hear Johnson, toast cam here provides key here again. Council PRESIDENT Maker here 7 PRESIDENT Know an absence. Thanks so much, everyone for joining us for City Council meeting. We invite all who are able interested to join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. to the flag of And one that and that's all for Consent agenda items to through 19 are before yu for your consideration. And I know that item 16 is going to be withdrawn and item 19 is going to be pulled from consent. Is there anything
else to be pulled for separate consideration? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from Missouri to move the balance of the consent agenda. Rock office. Yes, Johnson, yes, toast cam. Yes. Provide skate. Yes. Yang. Council, PRESIDENT Maker, I 7 in favor nor opposed the consent agenda is adopted as amended item. 19 is resolution. 25 Dash 11, 15 recognizing Disability Pride Month and honoring disability advocacy in Saint Paul. Well, it is my distinct honor to be presenting this resolution along with so many of my colleagues, too. Recognize disability Pride Month on or disability advocacy in the city of Saint Paul and in particular. Thank and honor the members of the mayor's advisory Committee for People with Disabilities. I
know that some of you are here today. I would really invite you. Welcome you to come up and stand with me as I read the resolution. So coming up, excuse. Come up and join in the 100%. Thank Come up and join me. And I think one of the things that I'm excited about this is that we often don't have enough opportunity to say thank you to those of you who this work. It is plus is tiring and and you do it and really, really appreciate it. And we don't say thank you often enough. So so thank you. I mean, every the and then I would invite you to say your name to the neighborhood you live in and say how long you've been serving on the committee then we'll take a photo and then vote on it. And I feel pretty good about passage we can do all this before we take a formal vote. So these are actually all
certificates that will be awarded to the members of the committee. I want to make this a huge thank you to Jenessa Jaccii and it in my office for creating these certificates. There. They're absolutely beautiful. And I think 2 credits what we're trying to communicate with these s on Wednesday, the 16th of JULY 2025, the certificate is awarded to the members of the mayor's Advisory Committee for People with Disabilities recognizing Disability Pride Month and honoring disability advocacy in Saint Paul. Rez Disability Pride Month celebrated in JULY to commemorate the signing of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, on JULY, 26th 1990, ad whereas nearly one in 4 Americans currently live with a disability. And whereas people with disabilities are valued and vibrant. Members of Saint Paul's communities and make tremendous contributions to Saint Paul's community
economy, art and culture. And whereas people disabilities are diverse and have intersectional identities and share community and culture that's built around their lived experiences. And where same health knowledge is a long history of isolation and discrimination against people with disabilities and recognizes the decades of activism and advocacy by the disability community. And whereas the city of Saint Paul acknowledges that the ada is only a starting point and there remain significant room for progress toward full and equitable access and inclusion for all community members with disabilities. And whereas the city of Saint Paul extends its gratitude to the members of the mayor's advisory Committee for People with disabilities, for their dedication, advocacy and ongoing commitment to making our city more accessible, inclusive, and
welcoming for all. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Saint Paul City Council hereby recognizes JULY 2025. Is Disability Pride Month in the city of Saint Paul. Honors the contributions, leadership and advocacy of people with disabilities expresses its deep appreciation to the members of the Maersk Visor Committee for pople with disabilities and reaffirms its commitments. This is the important part to advancing equity, accessibility and full inclusion for all residents with disabilities. Thank you so much for your service. Because tese make you want to only concerning. I am. Kerry Sheldon, thank you so much for health having us things
practical application being read today. It was it's really, really good thing that there were. Continuing to advance civility in in the city. My name is Jillian Nelson. I'm in the Hamlin neighborhood. I'm an ultimately disabled adult and uncertain for about 18 months. I really want to thank the council for the commitment to accessibility as we as Matt pd are determined to move forward and make sure that Saint Paul is the most accessible and most inclusive city in our state and then in our country. My name is over at have been serving since last fall. I used to represent Summit Hill but now represent Holland and inclusion matters. Thank you so much. See For
a cat. I someone to to send me a picture and also write yeah. As a way get just takes open it up to And discussion. Thank you, council PRESIDENT Also thank you. So all of the members serving on the council. I also want appreciate that Cena director commerce here from Harrow. Lot of questions that comes to my concerns when it comes to people, abilities, especially in their housing, making sure that they have accessibility to their mail that that through door knobs, our place in the certain way that they
have access to Cmy constituent, would be great. Kerry showed in here who ensures that our our cities and dancing accessibility. So I just want to say thank you for your leadership. Also, thank you for bringing this resolution. You know, I love resolutions. I conditions. I love when able a diversity of communities and I just want to suppress. She ate that. We didn't lose sight not only Pride month, but aso the people who was making sure that every once included when it comes to who are serving in Saint Paul, thanks. This Any other discussion. All right. Seeing none. We will take a roll call. Vote. Yes. Jensen. Yes, use me. Roll. Call Kim. Provides Kate. Yes, council
PRESIDENT Maker, I 7 present or know the subject a turn. No one opposed. Resolution is adopted. Elation. And I was remiss by not mentioning our fearless Director, Beth Commerce our staff. Thank you all so much for for your leadership as well. And just so everyone knows we don't typically do roll call votes, but because we have a council member, Cal Perry and his attending meetings during her maternity leave. I would like to point out we do have to do a roll call. So in case you notice a little bit of fun. King us on our part. Out of practice. Thank you. I will personally plan to attend for sure sure others will too. Thank you. Get. Item 20's. Final adoption of ordinance. 25 Dash 34 many
chapters. 33 60 61. 62 63 65 66 of the legislative pro to correct errors and to update and clarify language. So this is before us for final adoption we've had a public hearing. We had a first reading. I know we some questions about one part of mostly technical changes which related to the height of buildings on college campuses. And so I just wanted to confirm, Provides key as well to want to speak to that item. Yeah, thanks counts. PRESIDENT Maker I know our office in particular having multiple higher ed institutions, some campuses over 5 acres and a number of comments here. And there are folks here last week that I spoke to after the hearing. I think there is some concern just because the
underlying zoning language mentions 90 feet as an upper limit. This amendment actually isn't altering or creating that 90 feet verbiage that 30 been in the underlying zoning code. The zoning code changes are just meant to reflect what staff of already been interpreted as sort of the spirit of the law or how the law's been implemented. So just as a clarification, 90 feet is not new. It's not being introduced by tis language and ten further, even if it were being introduced, any of the campuses that are being spoken already have overlaying conditional use permits that also control the height of buildings and even parts of the the 90 feet is permissive. Allows you to go up to there. But the conditional use permit
create that kept that functions on day-to-day. So appreciate the staff laying that out for me and just making sure folks apreciate so. I don't think we should see any actual change in the real world based on language street. Just a cleanup of language. Thank thanks for clarifying that this progress case. So just to be super super clear, nothing is changing in terms of the heights that are allowed for buildings on college campuses with these changes were just trying to make the are clear. And I appreciate your point about the conditional use permits that already apply. And most campuses. So thank you. I think just really im important that we very transparent and responding to people who've written to us. So I appreciate you doing that. With that. I
will take a motion for MR. Progress before approval and final adoption any further discussion. Seeing none? We'll take a roll call. Vote Yes, Johnson. Yes, justice him. I provide ski. Yes, Health present maker. I 7 in favor nor opposed ordinance is adopted. Item. 21, his first reading of ordinance. 25 dash 41 many chapter. 33 point 0, 4, of the legislative code to require that 10% of the estimated plan fee. Be paid before review MAY began. And since this is a first reading, we have a staff report. Welcome, MR. Hoban. Good Afternoon. Council Council PRESIDENT Council vice PRESIDENT Council members and David Hope and deputy director of Department of Safety inspections. I'm here to it. Talks through the process, that we require an ordinance
change and that is to add a 10% pre-application feet play interview for reviews over $1000. The reasoning behind the the procedural changes efficiency model. We have a lot of of applications come in that are really incomplete the drawings are in satisfactory. There's a whole myriad of things that that can and do get submitted. And what happens is that we end up reviewing them. And the perception is we have everything in its dsi that is running behind what have a lot of of of legwork to try get the full application. Mitigating factor for this procedural change is we have a fair amount of applications anywhere from 32 40, sometimes your little higher that that come in, they get the full review and then the never
communication and permit in hopes that we could avoid some of those things the more efficient and help our review timelines. A pre application fee is being proposed. That would be. 10% of the plan review at it would. It would be a 10% of fee, which is 65% of the estimated building permit fee plain language is. If you have $1000 plus permit minimum fee of $85. If you have a very large project that cap for the few would be $5,000. So that 10% would be capped at $5,000. The the other items in in this ordinance that we are striking
are old things that aen't needed anymore. General sheet metal permits are covered under building permits currently. So that section is is not needed. The others are just just editorial changes improve the language should be highlighted. There's no fee increase with this. There's you know, added things and people will what tey owe. We're jst asking that there's a little more acknowledgment that when they apply for a permit that there's a level of paperwork that is it is a. Reasonable to assume that we need. And for that we're proposing this procedure changes require security I can answer any questions you MAY have. All right. a couple questions. I want my colleagues for more. One of them. First of all, really grateful to the department. I think one of the things that
Dsi does extremely well as to be constantly looking to improve and wondering how to be more efficient, had to provide better Really appreciate the the reflection and the coming to us with this proposal in that spirit. I guess I'm curious one if the issue of one of the issues is that you're getting incomplete plans and information is going back and forth to the applicant that they've everything that they actually haven't how Sharjah 10% of that plan review fee at the beginning? Fact that understand that. It's a problem and not sure I understand how the fee effects that particular issue. And then my second question is if it's also true, second problem is that so many of these. Planner views are not ever completed and you're doing all of this work without ever having recoup the costs. Is 10% of the plan review feet at
the front enough to ensure that if those end up not proceeding, you're covering your costs. Is that sort industry standard or to your point if the fee isn't actually increasing in total would make makes sense to ask for more of it at the top. Yeah. I think lot of the things we do in the city. Customer first to know what the reaction would be. Any were very cost sensitive. We don't don't want to have things cost more or be. Moore added process procedures that we don't need. So just to answer the second part of the question, first. A lot of disparities require full up front community feat to do a player. We're only proposing 10% do. I think it'll cure all the things that we are seeing. Probably not. But it's a step in the direction that we need to kind of gauge that. I think
a fee is is reasonable to to impose for a pre application given what we're seeing for applications that are not complete. Is enough? Hope so. I think idea is that if you have to put it some money down. Then there's a certain level professional come ad that comes with that knowing that you have to supply certain documents because you're spending money to get this review done. We do have a lot a lot. We have 13 to 16,000 permits come in. So when I say a and you hundreds a year that will. Evan evidently have to worked quite a lot on the front end because they were quite ready for a full. Application. It is areas that we're trying to impact penalizing people isn't something that that we're interested in. This is really just a we're we're here to do it professionally. Want to make sure that people coming
in understand the expectation of the paperwork that needs to be accompanied by the application for the permit application is is a a legitimate professional thing that has requirements without the fees. Sometimes that gets lost money in translation as we do, receive a lot of applications every day. Other questions, MR. Prescott. Yeah, thanks. Comes present maker and thanks, Deputy Director home. I I definitely would. I certainly support the spirit of this. And I I don't know that 10% is magically the correct number, I appreciate the fact that, you know, even if I's court in court, only 50, you know. Reviews that go through and never get pulled is the permit. I think people might underestimate just the cascading effect of all of the site reviews, all the plan
reviews and how they impact each other. Any time we deal with a small business or homeowner, whatever trying to go through the review process and I'm working with you to trying to unclog the the possible issue. It's almost always related to some other follow-up and to happen or some other staff had to be taken or staff got pulled away. So any any additional plan that's completely erroneous and not based on something, it comes to reality could impact of business. By the time your week out, that impacts a contractor that it impacts the project its pushed out, then it has cost. So I think the cascading element, I appreciate the first act and I actually probably would be comfortable with a higher number. But I know the sensitivity we have of, you know, I've personally going through like the permit
process for things in my home that I've done myself just to sort of learning what it felt like as a customer actually pretty smooth and easy, but it was still. You know, no normal person would be able to grateful this still a process. Thinking here. Other comments are questions for MR. Hogan. Im not Thank you so much. We will have a public hearing next week. Ordinances lead over to JULY 23rd for second reading public hearing. Item 20 two's, the public hearing of ordinance. 25 dash 38 amending chapter 3.75. Of the Legislative code to allow pedicabs to pull a trailer every move the hours restrictions and incorporate uniform license procedures as outlined in legislative code.
Chapter 3.10, and clarify ambiguous language. So this is the public hearing section of our agenda. So all the next items are opportunities for public comment. If you're here to speak to any of these items, you wait until your item is right out as the first one just was. And then when I call for the public hearing, if you're here to testify, you'll come up, stand just in between those 2 microphones. You'll have 2 minutes to testify and we ask that you start with your name and where you're coming from and then sign in at either the sign-in sheets when your So with that, this is a public hearing, is there anyone here to speak to this item which is item? 22. That's coming Hello, everyone. My name is Fernando Scott and almond from macro plan. I thank you for this opportunity to speak to
all of once again. My name is Fernando One of the local owners and operators of petty cab business here in the Twin Cities. As you consider updates to the paddock have ordinance today. I ask that you also include one important amendment to read by Section 3. 7.5 homes, Subsection b number 5, which currently disqualifies anyone with a dui in the last 3 years from getting a penny cab drivers license while public safety matters. This rule goes too far, especially for first-time dui offenders. Many complete treatment for feel all legal requirements and regain their full driver's license way before this three-year period
is up. If the state Minnesota trust them to drive a car, it doesn't make sense to block them from operating a low-speed petty cab because the foundation of a petty cab is its bike sickle, not vehicle. To be clear, there is no recorded history of dui related incidents involving petty cab drivers and Saint Paul or in the state Minnesota. All there's simply no evidence that this restriction in solving a real problem. What the evidence does show is first-time dui offenders and Minnesota's have a relatively low. We offense rate around 12 to 15% programs like Inician interlock reduces that percent even further. And we know stable employment reduces recidivism. So keeping someone out of work after
they've already turned their life around, actually increases risks. Not reduce. Is that. So that's why I'm asking the council to shorten the disqualification period or provide a waiver process for individuals who shown they're ready to move forward. You've already are making thoughtful updates to the ordinance is this will be a meaningful evidence-based addition. Thank you for your time. Your considerations. Great. Thank you so much for testimony. Make sure to sign in. Possible that we'll follow up with you. Any at? Folks here to speak on this item. Sorry, sir. Can you remind us of your name? Alternate Ayone else here because Seeing none. I will take a motion from is just to close the public hearing and leave the matter over till
AUGUST 6 for final adoption Cup U.S.. But wait, yes, Johnson, Eunice toast. Yes. Can provide ski? Yes. Yang. Council PRESIDENT Maker I 7 favor nor opposed public hearing is closed in. The ordinance is laid over to JULY 23rd for final adoption. Item, 23. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I meant It's yet. JULY 23rd for final adoption item Twenty-three's resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 46 authorites and Department of Parks and Recreation to enter into a $96,000 agreement with Minnesota Department of Natural Resources to enhance and restore 23 acres of native woodland habitat that Sweet Hollow Park. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here speak to the second? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from his Johnson to close the
public hearing and approve any discussion of that motion. Welcome place, Fouhy. Yes, Johnson, I dos Kim. This provides key. Yes, Council, PRESIDENT Maker I-75 in oppose public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted. Item Twenty-four's resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 48 amending the financing is spending plan Department of Parks and Recreation in the amount of $382,427 increasing the 2025 budget using fund balance to reflect previously awarded funding from Parkland education funds. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seing none. We'll take a motion from vice PRESIDENT Came to close the public hearing and approve. Yes, Johnson, I toast. Yes, Kim,
provide ski. Council PRESIDENT Maker I 7 to favor known, oppose a public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted. Item. 25 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 39 approving the application of Minnesota Children's Museum for some variance in order to present amplified sound on AUGUST, 16th at 10 West, 7th Street, Minnesota Children's Museum. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from Ms Yang to close the public hearing and approved for all copies. Bowie. Yes, Johnson. Hi Joe study s provides key. Yes game. Council. PRESIDENT Maker. I 7 in favor opposed the public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 26 is resolution public
hearing. 25 Dash one 40 approving the application of coughing for a sound of a variance order to present amplified sound on AUGUST 9th and 10th at 4.25. Race Street parking lot. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from ability to close the public hearing and approved for a cup place. Bowie. Yes, Johnson, toast. Yes, Kim, I provide ski. Yes. Yang. Council, PRESIDENT Maker 7 in favor known oppose a public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 27 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 41 approving the application of Chris Bence for some little variance in order to percent live at 5 sound on OCTOBER 4th at 11. 99 Midway Parkway, Como Midway Picnic Pavilion. This is a public hearing. Is there
anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from Vice PRESIDENT Kim to close the public hearing and approved for all copies. Yes, Johnson, I toast Kim. Provide ski. Yes, again. Council PRESIDENT Maker, I 7a favorite known oppose public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 28 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 43 approving the application of Saint George Greek Orthodox Church for the Great Festival event. Some little variance to in order to present amplified sound on JULY, 25th and 26th at 11, 11, 7 Avenue Saint George Greek Orthodox Church grounds. This is a public hearing. Is anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from his bully to close the public hearing and approved for all copies Yes, Johnson, just MISS Him.
Provide ski. Just Yang. Council, PRESIDENT Maker. I 7 in favor unknown, oppose a public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 29, this resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one. 44 approving the application of Great River Passage. Conservancy for the music on the Mississippi vent some little variance in order to present amplified sound on JUNE. 21st at 2 to 6 Spring Street upper landing park. Whenever that should be JULY. Yeah, I'm wondering that too. To say While we're looking to see whether that's already happened or is going to happen. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to the side? Thanks but I thought it would. China buys some time. Getting close. Everything in the resolution
says JUNE. Well, we will just go ahead and take motion for MR. Pogress Key to close the public hearing and approved local police. Toast. Yes, Kim. Provides Yes, Yang. Council PRESIDENT, a Kurd. 7 favor known, oppose a public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted. Legislative hearing consent agenda items. 33, 57 or before you for your consideration. Welcome this moment. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT, one of the into the record and just the simplest its number. 48. I am. 48 is our Ali are 25 dash 20 appeal of consumer turbo into vacant building registration requirement at 7.67 University Avenue West this morning. I would like for this to be continued for one if you will. The coming from. It has not
yet been filed. And that's what waiting on. So legislative hearing officers recommendation is to hold over for one week JULY 23rd. Thank this Take. Nation. That is a motion from his plea. Any discussion. All right. A little Johnson, I Joe, Kim, I provide ski. Yes. Yang. Counsel present maker. I 7 in favor nor opposed public hearings continued to JULY 23rd. There anything else for separate consideration this moment? I'm not aware of anyone here to testify other items. Thank you. Will then have a public hearing on all of the legislative hearing items. If you're here for item. 30 through. 57, this is your public hearing coming up.
If you're here for any of those, Seeing none. I'll take a motion is just to close the public hearings and adopt the items as amended. yes, Johnson, Kim. Provide Council PRESIDENT Maker. 7 in favor nor opposed public hearings close in the consent agenda is adopted as warm. And and that brings us to good news from the words and good news around the table. As we leave them just a minute. And then So I'm super excited. It's officially Rondo Week where we have Rondo days. The festival on Saturday from 11:00pm to 07:00pm at the Martin King Center. So all are welcome. It's going to be amazing lineup of local art is.
The headliners are if your 80's hip-hop brand-new Vienna and Monie Love. So I'll be there with my hip hop attire on. So we have also hve a bull in now we going to be at the days but will be hosting our reparations community listening session. We'll we'll have a video where people can record to the props and we get a chance really capture that insight from community. So all is welcome. Also that same exact earlier from like 10 32 known. Be at Dunning wreck. Where will be doing the ribbon cutting an announcement of the Dave Winfield statue, Dave Winfield, it's all American known for possible sports. He championed in and he's from
Rondo. So it's amazing opportunity to launch what could working on is like a Rondo athletic exhibit at the debt. Brett, so he also welcome to attend that. And if you are at the s p in fan, I don't know much about it. But there is a 30 for 30 documentary being filmed there. If you want to get potential I don't know much about espn at all. But I heard that is a really big deal. So, going to be thank you. Is millions of viewers aren't enough for you. To get real primetime. Thanks, mostly. That's just I think you can be there as well. Big day when Phil fan also central graduate. So
throw that out there of the The event that I want to share, which is one of my favorite events of the year is the Highland Water Tower will be open this weekend on Saturday. The 19th and Sunday, the 20th. From 9 to 5, I think it's like 100 50 steps to the top of the towers. You can climb up there and see the views and simple regional will be there with some information booths and you can learn more learn more about the services that they provide a vocation is 72. Snelling Avenue. And so I'll be there and encourage everyone to check it out. Thanks so much for just Johnson. Thank Council PRESIDENT. I jst have 3 quick offense to play folks for says on Friday. JULY 25th, it's that East
side jumped him with conditions, France and it will be year have indigenous routes from 40 to 60 on Friday. The 25th and also the return of 7th Street Miami can saying about the site coming AUGUST 9th from 12 to 4 to Saturday. I'll be there last year. It was super hot and really nice outside. I'm looking folks to come out. It's 7th, I think from. From beginning of 7th as you cross over to the bridge all the way up to hope. So very excited to see folks come out come back out again because we don't have very many festivals roared. And so it's really great to the work. The Georgia port and it is rich have been able to do to bring it back in a second here and then for my constituents, Launched that the of our Ward 7 budget event that are right track and train. Okay. And
they will be able to put together its AUGUST 7th from Five-thirty to Seven-thirty and so for folks will doing some outreach and some additional things like we did last year to get folks terrified. We had a pretty large turnout last year. And so I'm looking forward to seeing all your smiling faces again. Thanks Johnson that the first thing wanted to share is that the and rec is hosting a family picnic and what means. The event at he's a park rec center next Tuesday, JULY 22nd from 6 to 7.30. There's a picnic dinner. Water gains in the family of Benson. Everyone welcome. It's a free event. And then second, I told you I would show you baby over. She is that it really gets just in time. I this is I go blue. She's been really great this entire meeting. I don't think there's better good news in the Thanks
so much visiting. She's but any anyone did want to follow it. I'm not gonna All right. Thank someone for a great meeting. As always. We urge he's