Well, many of the same posting order world, least we. Cam. He ran for key game here. Council PRESIDENT Maker here 6 present one app. Something come tomorrow. Bowie who is expected shortly just before we officially start this meeting. I want to see a huge congratulations to Councilmember Yang on the arrival of the brand new member of her family and welcome her back so got to have too. Welcome everyone to our council meeting. We invite everyone to please join us in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance to flag. A United States there. One nation under that. All live in U.S.. Consent agenda items for through 39 or before you for your consideration. Is there anything to be taken separately from the consent
agenda? Seeing none. I'll take motion from MR. Progress Key to approve the balance of the consent agenda. Any discussion of that motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. I'll post. 6 of a Reno and oppose the consent agenda is adopted. Item. 40 is resolution. 25 Dash 10, 1 honoring Chris Taylor of equal at. Honored to be here present this resolution. Chris Taylor is a wonderful champion of the city of Saint Paul and someone who has just put tireless effort and years and dedication to making our community a better place. And resolution is honoring her for all of that work on her retirement. Chris could not be here with us today. So I an invite. Lisa Maloney vins from the collab up receive this
resolution on her behalf. I won't read the entire resolution, but just a couple of the key, the key points and then this will be given to Chris for her to take into retirement with her. Where is Chris Taylor hs dedicated over 21 years to advancing corporate responsibility, inclusive leadership community development, most notably through impactful career at Ecolab. Whereas Chris has mentored numerous emerging leaders across both public and private sectors, generously sharing insight, experience values to help shape the next generation of changemakers in Saint Paul. Where is Chris Taylor's longstanding service includes or support of serving our troops, a beloved Saint punished if the owners, military families and foster civic pride demonstrating her enduring dedication to those who serve our nation. Chris continues to serve as a model
of principle leadership and civic engagement and JULY seconds, which is actually JULY 9th provides an opportunity to honor her extraordinary contributions and injury legacy in our city. We are presenting this on JULY 9th, but the day JULY 2nd because of her retirement, should say that now, therefore be it resolved that we recognize and honor Jly second, 2025 as Chris Taylor Day in the city of Saint Paul and call upon all residents to recognize and celebrate. Chris Taylor's standing impact as a leader, mentor and community champion. And we hope that they did that a week ago on JULY second, but also continue to do that into the future. We got listen Discussion the motion. Thank you, council PRESIDENT. I have a notes written from Cris Taylor that
she would like to share with all of you regarding the honor of the resolution. I want to thank all of you, especially council PRESIDENT Maker for the fabulous honor having a proclamation. And for me, Chris Taylor, I'm beyond humbled and honored my 21 years that people have been simply the best wrking with my colleagues and friends of the city of Saint Paul has been fantastic while doing tough work before. It's great friendships and made a huge difference in the landscape of downtown. We together made a difference. I'm beyond sad. It will not be there. As you Pru the proclamation that had previous travel plans out of the country. I cannot thank you enough for the work is not done. Please consider me a friend as we work to continue to make Saint Paul a better place. Thank you all for your service. Your now, retired
friend Chris Taylor. Thanks so much of thanks, Chris, for thinking to send us those words from would just a personal note, especially at a time so many of nonprofit organizations are feeling threatened. And at a time when we can't necessarily rely on help from other quarters. The fact we are a big city in a small town and we are lucky to have so many generous entities and individuals in our I think it's really more important than ever. Ad Chris is someone least in my experience personally has always been someone who has been open to new ideas to creativity, to say yes. And to using that generous spirit to supporting Starr community. And so I think that that's even more important as we are entering this really tenuous time. But that any further discussion, otherwise, I wouldn't
approval. All in favor say Aye. Post 6 of from 7 in favor nor opposed the resolution is adopted. Item. 41 is first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 38. Many chapter 3.75. Of legislative cold. To allow petty cabs to pull a trailer and remove the hours restrictions. And incorporate uniform license procedures as outlined in legislative code. Chapter 3.10, and clarify ambiguous language. And this is the first reading of this ordinance. Typically at first reading we would have a staff reports. But in this case, I think everyone is very, very familiar with this policy change. And so I will just give. The Councilmember report, which is that the idea here is to encourage vibrancy downtown pedicabs typically operate and anywhere else in the city that
they would operate to allow them to have a trailer so that they can accommodate more guests in a really eco-friendly manner. And then also to allow them to operate during rush hour, which currently they are not allowed to do in Saint Paul that are allowed to do in certain Western cities. And it's working to great effect over there. And we would like to allow that here. I want to give a huge thanks to Meghan jacket, my legislative aide for her incredible work on this item and also all the community partners we consulted with, including many members of the downtown hospitality community to get their input. I want to at the River Center who is really helpful in telling us what they've opportunities in this. The challenges in this how they want to work together with us to make sure this a successful as we go forward. Public hearing next week. But
that that the council report. Ordinances lead over to JULY 16 for second reading public. Item, 42 is a public hearing of ordinance. 25 dash 34 chapters. 33 60 61. 62 63 65 66 a legislative code to correct errors and to update and clarify language. All right. And this brings us to the public hearing section of our agenda. So for any of the following items that are public hearings. We will ask if you're here to testify on that item that when your item is red, you come up to the 2 microphones right here in front of us to stand in between them. You shouldn't need to touch them or just them in any way. They will pick you up just fine. You'll have 2 minutes to testify. Start by saying your name and where you're coming from. And then you'll have 2 minutes as the clock right in front of you. The 2 minutes does go by fast. And my job is to make sure that we give everybody the same amount of
time. So all the time keeper today. And then when you're done testifying, please sign in at either of the sign-in sheets. So with that, if you're here to testify and number, 42, this is your public hearing. Please come on up. All right. Not seeing anybody. So with that, I will take a motion from his just to close the public hearing and leave the item over 2 JULY 16th for final adoption. Any discussion? The motion? All in favor say Aye. I'll post 70 favorite known opposed. The public hearing is closed in. The ordinance is laid over to JULY 16th for final adoption. Item 43 is a public hearing of ordinance. 25 dash 37 authorizing public works to collect fees from already used for garbage services to support the cost of operations and disposal and setting the
2025 late fee for delinquent garbage bills. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his Bowie to close the public hearing. And with the matter over to JULY 16th for final adoption, any discussion, the motion. All in favor say Aye. Post 7 in favor opposed the public hearing is closed in. The ordinance is laying over to JULY 16 for final adoption. Item. 44 is resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one. 24 Find the assessment for a pair of sanitary sewer line on private properties. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from Wisconsin to close public so Coming Come on up. You can just and between the 2 microphones and a 2 minutes to give us your testimony. Just surfacing your name where you're coming from. I hope live on the east
side of Saint Paul and I had a sanitary sewer main or service line repaired this winter because it had a hole and it was in the right away part not on my private property. So I'm just hoping that this assessment cuts pass. To become a Texas. Okay. So you're speaking in favor of this Oay. Great. Thank you so much for coming to testify. And would you just sign in on board right there for you? Okay. Anyone else here to speak to the silence. All right. Seeing none. We'll take a motion Johnson to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. Aye opposed 70 favorite. None oppose a public hearing is closed to the resolution is adopted item. 45 is resolution public hearing? 25 Dash one 14 authorizing increase in department of Parks and Recreation Grant Fund and the amount of $25,000 to reflect grant funds
received from Minnesota dnr. See which of and to support the Saint. Paul's Outdoor Adventures project. This I a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing nne. We'll take a motion fom his bank to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. A host 7 in favor. None oppose public hearing is closed to the resolution is adopted item. 46 is resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one. 29 amending the financing. Is funding plans in the Department of Parks, Recreation and the amount of $399,777.10 treats like grant funds received from the Minnesota Department of Public Safety Office of Justice Programs. Restorative Practices Initiative Grant program. That is some accurate accounting. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from vice PRESIDENT Came to close the public hearing and approve
all favor say Aye. I'll post 7 if they've known to pose a public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted and a 47 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 37 operation in the city on behalf of the police department to except an amend the 2025 Special Fund Budget for a donation from the Saint Paul Police Foundation. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from is buoyed close public hearing and approve all in favor. Say Aye. 7 in favor nor opposed the public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 48 is resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one, 30 approving the application of Rondo Community Coalition for some level of variance in order to present amplified sound on AUGUST 2nd at 8.20, Rondo Avenue, Rondo commemorative plus s this is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this
item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. A post 7 in favor opposed the public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 49, this resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one. 31 approving the application of Irish pair of Minnesota for a sound level variance in order to be sent amplified sund on AUGUST, 7th and 8th 9th and 10th at 1200 Hayes Boulevard, Harriet Island Regional Park. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from MR. Provides key to close the public hearing and approve all in favor. Say Aye. 7 in favor don't oppose. A public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 50 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash one. 32 approving the application of Anderson race management
for some level of variance. In order to resent amplify sound on AUGUST, 10th at Failing Park picnic billion patio 1600 family and drive. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. Take a motion from his game to close the public hearing and for all in favor say Aye. Post 7 in favor know post public areas close in the resolution is adopted item. 51 is resolution public hearing. 25 Dash one. 35 approving the application of Metro Transit for to variances in order to present amplified sound for the 2 locations of race Street interlocking at one 56 University Avenue West and Minnesota Street lacking East 12th Street and Minnesota Street. Need people interlocking between Friday,
JULY 11th to Monday, JULY, 21st for 2 to 3 days per site. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak to this item actually ask, is there anyone here from Metro Transit? To speak to the side? It doesn't appear like it, ok, I will move to close the public hearing and approve. We did get a question from constituent downtown asking about this is a 24 hour, some of variance and asking whether operations could stop for a couple of hours at night to allow sleeping, which I think is a reasonable question and know that we have conditions on this that requires that sound be monitored and that it be kept to a minimum. But a follow-up separately with Metro Transit on see if they were here. All right. Some emotions to close the public hearing and approve all in
favor say Aye. Aye opposed. 7 in favor know in a post public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted. Item. 52 is a bza. 2 dash 3 considering the appeal of Dominic her Chevy to decision of the Board of Zoning Appeals denying a variance request to establish a 24 resident supportive housing facility on the property at 4.18, Sherborne Avenue. So in this case for this item in the next item, we will actually have a brief staff report before the public hearing. So if you're here to testify, feel free to stay seated for just a bit. And then we'll call for folks ready for the public hearing. Welcome, must ride. Thank you. Council. PRESIDENT Maker council members say that I for the pardon safety inspections on the staff member assigned to the Board of Zoning Appeals. And in front of you today
because he had an application where variance denied and anyone can appeal the decision within 10 days. And that is what happened here. In this instance, the council, the city council has the power to hear and decide upon appeals where it's alleged by appellant that there's an error, fact, procedure finding made by the Board Zoning Appeals. In this instance, the pellington applicant, the same. Because they've insisted it is stunning first, I just want to kind of differentiates between the different types uses going on So the the the property in question is not considered a sober house as defined in zoning code. Because it is 6 few residents per unit. So they currently wanted to have 6 per unit go off safer services. A
sober home. Is it going in the occupied by more than 6 persons, all of whom know in the coverage from coming to depend cnn presents the the safe. So in this instance, its a 4 plex and each unit was proposed to have 6. Now the applicant is proposing to convert the property into supportive housing with 6 residents per unit. But in this instance, they would have services on site. And supportive. Housing is considered to be a higher intensity. Use existing 4 plex as well from somewhere else. Up on the screen is the property in question. Like I said, it's a existing 4 plex, relatively new. We received a variance application APRIL 21st 225 and I refer this statement up on the screen. Like I said, 24 residents supportive housing facility. There is a quarter mile distance requirement from
other specified condo living facilities in this instance that the city is within a quarter mile to other facilities that home more than 6, that all residents and the closest one is 513 feet, which is up on the screen. The map, the closest facility to this building, a measure building the building is for some new Western Avenue north. And then there's another one, another supportive housing facility 3.42. Fuller. So this isn't the standards and conditions under the supportive housing facility used it. So that became a key kind of 5 zoning variance of that. And that is with the applicant in. We did hold a public hearing on MAY 27th or should say the Board Zoning Appeals held a public hearing on MAY. 27 2025. Seth recommended denial of the post and then it based upon findings, 4, 6, and o 6 findings and to be found in
order to grant is variance. All saff to not receive a recommendation from the District Council. 5 to Neighborhood association. They were we do notify they received the early notification system. Notice it, you and then a male notice. Also. We at the public hearing 0 people spoke in favor. We didn't receive any letters in favor. 2 people spoke in opposition. We received one letter speaking against and one of concerns and the board denied. Like I said this when things through forensics, which is in alignment with the staff recommendation all 5 members and attendants voted to deny and applicants submitted an appeal application JUNE 6. And we have the 60 9 deadline which is extended to APRIL. Sorry, AUGUST 18th. So here are the 6 findings that are required to grant a variance and the touch on the 3 that the board found and not to Met, where the practical difficulties that
they're practical difficulties and implying that the provision and economic considerations alone do not constitute practical difficulties so they can be a portion of it, but they can't. He the primary driver. It played in the land. Owner of the plate must be due to circumstances unique to the property. I could buy the land owner and then the central character of the variance, if fentanyl, not also alter the central character, the other were found to be met by staff and the board. So I'm assuming he did not kill. They want their benefits So the focus on finding number 3 in 10 to findings of the hardship is not self-created. And the landowner cannot utilize the property in a reasonable way due to the ordinance. This request is financially driven as their testimony and really
focus on the funding stream. There are a variety of possible viable uses that can be established on this t to zoned property by rate, which is a tradition in district. Stephanie was them that let's focus in on funding for this finding. That the post be due to hardship related to the proper property. It's all. Plus, a variance arises not from the unique circumstances of the land, but up from applicants desire to see the permitted. Number of residents in a supportive housing facility within the party, sufficient distance and the separation requirement affects properties within a quarter mile of the other facilities that we saw on the map. Played is unnecessary. Uni necessarily need to this property rather. It's it's a general. It's something general to the area. Stephanie was not met in finding 6 reading neighborhood character granting a request would
result in the servicemen of supportive housing facilities that are within close proximity, creating a cluster of country living environments. This could undermine the goal of community integration contribute to institutional care to that is not consistent. Certain areas to findings not met. Like I said at beginning of the presentation, the city council does have the power to hear. And decide upon appeals where it's alleged by the applicant where they believe that there's an error. In fact, new procedure. I just put the purpose what the applicant was requesting again here in the distance requirement variance and then to grant the appeal would mean that the property owner can established. Denying the property owner could continue to operate as they are with the 6 per unit, but not Ed Services. They won't be able to with the status supportive housing
facility. But there are other types of uses that are permitted. And like I said, the AUGUST 18th is 60 day, 120 deadline. That's it for Any questions. Thank you, MR. To any questions for staff before we open the public. Can this council PRESIDENT? Thank you so much, David, through this. I have a question, particularly on the high level, particularly around the Minnesota State statute change that's actually requiring a lot of these homeowners that MAY be running it as like, you know, in a way of silver husing but may not be in compliance. Was there any notice our notification from the state to the city about this change about these requirements and conditions now for some of
these facility providers, yes, council PRESIDENT Maker Councilmember The city was not necessarily notified about the change in how their examine the funding. But we are in contact with the state discuss the changes. And as you could know, this is about the sherburne case and have another one on the agenda item. But for what would you say? Is this the first scenario that we have where someone had reached out to get zoning change fr same type of scenario. Council member, but we have had many, many cases that have come before the Board Zoning appeals throughout the last 3 months or so. This is not the only ones is just the first
one that was tonight and has appealed to city Council. And then one last question feel So since this change has their when's the last time we've had any and to changes to our supportive housing policy. Councilmember there was a study. And now I'm trying to think back 2016 or so ordinance was looked at and for for planning Commission or not Update the condor, it's a whole section of different types of congregate. Living uses view that are maybe as 2019 2016. We could get better answer for you on that. Okay. But it's fair to say that 2016 is when the last time we've done the study are padding type of minutes changes to this thank you. Thanks Israeli
other questions for MISTER Doesn't look like it. Ok? Thanks so much. To put too far. We will open up the public hearing and in this case, the appellants will get 5 minutes to testify. Others who are speaking about this case will get 2 minutes to testify so well for some by the appellant. And you'll have 5 minutes or make sure you start to sing your name and where you're coming from. My name is dominant car caddy and I don't I. I don't think staff was accurate when he. When he said he talked about, though, the people living there. The number of people living there have always had its been a sober house. I've been running it overalls. For the last 16 months, no problems. But federal
government or the state of Minnesota wants to regulate this industry because it really hasn't been any regulation for this overalls industry. So that's why it's putting all these. Regulations on us with. They have to have food or that we have to supply food. And that's one of services. So I'm in a different category, which is supportive housing category, which I wasn't before. And I I didn't want to serve food, you know, but that's the way the and it sort of federal for the Minnesota government wants to regulate. Anyways, that puts me in a different category. So I don't feel that that's anything that I did. 2. You know, changed my status. It was it was. Put upon by the state of Minnesota and I can see why they want to regulate
overall because it's, you know, like the Wild West. Some of them are just terrible. This is a brand new building. It it was just a vacant lot it was used for the homeless people and drug and the bill, the businesses in back of me, auto place tonight, hair salon other place. They all said that. So when I built a building, it was certainly to add to the. Neighborhood. I mean, it's we're an 0 tolerance. So we're not cannabis friendly were not. A method on, you know, we we run very clean. And and that's the best way to do it. At the last hearing. The city, city attorney said that the zoning board did not have the
authority to grant a variance. That's why the appeal. You know, that's that's why had to appeal. They didn't say no, but they didn't say they had that. They said that they they said no. But they also said that they didn't have the authority to grant a variance. That's that's why I'm here. And I was really surprised gentleman and and lady that came up to speak against me. And I thought, well, you know, because my my neighbors love me. And, you know, I'm always there always talking to him. I always, you know, so I so I went around. Asked my neighbors if they would do it if they would agree to sign my little petition and what I put down was a I support the property at 4.18 Sherman Avenue becoming a supportive
housing. I understand that there will be inspections and regulations applied by the state of Minnesota to the property under this new category. The building was built on a vacant lot. Used was used primarily for. Homeless drug addicts. So in addition of the nw building has made a positive change to the neighborhood. The building has been used for a sober house for the last 16 months. And the management has done a good job in maintaining quiet enjoyment for the neighbors. And I've got. Signatures and most of my neighbors. So I'd like to submit this also, these 2 people are not within 100 yards, but this is the restaurant on the corner of University Rundle. And and this this is the guy that's down the block a little You can help to Kagan. We can and
the record. Thank you. And then also life. 2 people Exelon get one of woman spoke against this I and it outlines all the things these people have to do to stay in the house. So and ii know you have and I also wrote a refuting some of steps are the for the the 6 deals I went and I measured. With with a measuring wheel 7 seconds. It's way more than 1200 feet or 1320 feet. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. And yes, your point. We do have all the documents he sent advance of the others have sent in front of us. Some of us are laptop looking at them as we speak. So thank you so much for testimony. Don't forget to sign in.
And now this is a public hearing open to anyone else would like to speak on this matter. You'll have 2 minutes again. Please start basing your name where you're coming from. And when you're done, don't forget to sign come up. Good afternoon. Mr if meeting in a statement where he stated scientists at the surveillance or with your name is Robert Maclean. I made 4, 3, 7 Sherborne Avenue. The car Kitty meeting in his statement where he stated that his application. It was always intended to be to build a new last to structure for the purpose of opening a sober up recovery support House and the facility. This unit has listed on the
market for sale several times before this intended purpose was redefined. The distance between supportive housing units or programs to avoid clustering. It's a factor. The approval or denial of the request request a variant. But look, consideration must be measured. My neighbors and I were looking forward to greeting for new families at for a teacher. Brian, ad without aware that support of flash sober housing unit for 24 recovering adult bills. What's being proposed? Community impact assessment inform neighbors in an inclusive process. It's vital to establish accepted, trust instability, the house and 24 individuals under a single roof subdivided into 4 units, which by definition is Cluster ii and MAY pose a culture shock to neighbors. They've
been residents duty, abrupt introduction and number of new qualifying tenants. Our neighborhood of a collection of various retired working class and low to moderate incomeeople. We are witness our share of drug dealings, overdoses, physical violence, prostitution, gun violence, home invasions, auto theft and burglary. Burglary in mental breakdowns and a sort behavior to challenge the appeal of neighborhood to long-term residents, not interested in relocating to new resident. A newcomer is seeking affordable housing. We have experienced many positive is Lafayette changes as well as stressing over too many destructive setbacks caused by individuals beginning to be quote, unquote, good neighbors and Bieber itself is in recovery. Sorry, I'm so sorry. But you are at times have to have
a up. Okay. I could submit this. Yes, please do. That's that's a question. Real quick. You are a time. You are at time. Okay. Thank you, sir. Make sure to sign. Coming up. then was Jackie one of the neighbors that you talked about can in the letter to. What it comes down to is safety. I mean, I know you guys have letters submitted from other neighbors that are concerned about the safety as well as I am live in my With all the different traffic that is come by. I mean, we have enough crime in our neighborhood as it is. You're put in a sober house, a block away from a liquor store. It's a block away from a store that is high in cannabis. Use. I mean. Where are ready? Trying to fix our neighborhood? And like said, it's clustering. I
mean. Nobody, nobody was informed of this beforehand and it's ever since the last meeting having people come to my house, I mean. People are going to have their feelings towards it. I don't need people come to my house to talk to me about it. If I wanted to reach reach out. And has enough information as it is. My neighbors are are older people and I know they submit it in there. They're worried about having all these people. That's my concern as I have people in front of my house all the time. And then they say that there's no guests, but we see clusters of people out there now. That's what I can Thank you very much for taking Make sure to sign. If you haven't already. Is there anyone else here to speak to
this item? All right, seeing none. I'll take a motion from this buoy to close the public hearing all in favor say Aye. All opposed. 7 in favor nor opposed the public hearing is closed. This first. Just want to say really appreciate the neighbors who came out here and testified and shared. Their concerns we have since this items been on the agenda of have heard from. Neighbors where we know that safety is a concern and also just want to say thank you to the put Dominic, particularly around just navigating what had you had mentioned is like a state regulation change and now trickling down impacting our local zoning policies. I guess the short for all of us is I am I'm leaning to latest overly this matter. Over for
AUGUST 6. And I want to have a chance to talk with our attorneys, particularly cause one of the challenges how we're interpreting the zoning laws for supportive housing. As we know, like you said, not have regulations and now we want to regulate. And I also want just see how our support of housing and our congregate housing differs from our silver housing. And knowing that we are we're. currently in like a public safety crisis when it comes to people who are struggling in addiction. And if these are the only places that people really have housing, I want to be really careful. And and make sure that the decisions that we make hair on council is in creating bigger problems in our neighborhood. So I
would ask for the support from the council because latest matter over some king ensure that we have a plan that is in compliance or zoning, but also the public safety plan in terms of any impacts that MAY have for the residents that live in this residential property. Ok, thank you. As voice of the motion is for a four-week layover to AUGUST 6. Yes. Is there any discussion of that motion Johnson? Just a quick question. Just because I can't number 3, I think. From is there might have more like a weekly over. Could you specify like what the deadline is for the item in the Great question. AUGUST 18th. The time frame yet. Further discussion, MR. Thanks, council PRESIDENT And just want to acknowledge some of
the concerns and dynamics Councilmember. We brought up and also add I've had a little bit of context in this issue. We had multiple facilities and our word that we're grappling with the question of how to reclassify. You know, I David Frum Dsi did a really good job of laying out the context we're living in here. Even the owner described there was a state changed the way these facilities are license and other feeling like they need to alter the services. They provide to meet new licensure rules that the state is only code is based on the old rules trying to match up one to the other is just the sort of classic headache you get when you're at the bottom of the governmental barrel of decisions slow down and we have to adapt. So I think there's been a lot of work in trying to see I there's a possible quick fix to the
zoning code. That's where my brain always goes of. Can we just add food to our sober housing? Can we do some tweak that lets this go quickly? And i think there were too many factors in play to be honest to make a quick fix. And that's what's leading us. The tough decisions like this. So perfectly comfortable with the layover being at, especially since it's within the deadline and also just flag. I think we're going to have several of these citizens coming over the next several months and they're going to be unfortunate and they're going to be frustrating and I'm martie. You know, I want these facilities to be in our our city. I want them to be in my neighborhood. I want them to be available and we might jst be in a place where like legally speaking, it doesn't make sense. And they have to be denied not speaking to this one or any of the direct ones.
But just noting the context here with us in a really tough call. But I definitely uncomfortable with a layover in want read that back. Thank Mrs King. All right. A further discussion of the motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. 7 in favor opposed. The item is laid over to AUGUST 6. Item. 53 is abc a 25 Dash 4 considering the appeal of MARCH warts to decision of the Board of Zoning Appeals denying to variance, request to establish a 22 residents supportive housing facility on the property at 4.38. Daily Street, right once again the staff report in a look at the public hearing. Welcome back. It's Red and Youth Council PRESIDENT In a year With Herman safety inspections of and I did give an answer back. 2016 was when the code was changed for 100
living. Up next for 38. Duly street. Usually, you know this in this instance there were 2 variance requests that were denied by the Board Zoning Appeals and some applicant. It's it's the same thing. Applicant and the calendar. The same individual. And appealed it because they believe that there's an errand fact plenty of procedure. And in this instance, this property is kind of unique. It Remy House. It's a mixed use rooming house. It is 20 to individual rooms that people can rent individually. Upstairs and then it's mixed use building the applicant. In this instance is proposing to convert from a rooming house and you're supportive housing facility. And supportive housing is considered to be a
higher intensity. Houston existing House and a rooming houses. Non is a legal nonconforming use the b 2 community business district. So it's not considered to be a sober house has to find their code. It should be more than 6 people in the unit. It's a winning house. So folks say for their services if they require. So the this is the purpose statement here, have the property. A screen it's at the corner of James and 7. And they're proposing of 22 all residents in supportive housing facility and those 2 requests. In this instance, there's the distance, which is a quarter mile once again. And their closest one of form is that they'll have it up on the next sreen. What one is too close and then.
There's also a requirement the 2 zoning district that they must supportive housing facility must serve 16 or fewer facility. Applicants proposing. 22. So there's 2 variances here that were denied by the Board Zoning Appeals. So the other facility in supportive Housing facility Code section. It basically says. Specified Congress living facilities and lists multiple with more than 6 residents. And then this instance, property for this building is too close to 32 resident community residential my license corrections. So it's a sudden and sending coded. we measure the is building the building. You can see on the map that it's 1044 feet away. And there were there 6 finds and in Derby found grand to zoning variance. In this instance, finding 3, 4, 6, were found to be not true by the Board Zoning. Appeals are
not met by the Board Zoning Appeals and staff. So a public hearing was held on APRIL 14th. Before the other case in just heard staff recommends denial based on findings, 3 4, 6, And there was not a recommendation from West 7 for Road Federation. Like I said, we do notify the district Councils. At the public hearing and no one spoke in favor unknown. Spoke opposed to it. Didn't receive any letters speaking support. And we received one letter speaking against and then there was one that letter received after the deadline speaking against. The board and a playing over the decision to a future meetings that and make the decision on APRIL 14th and on MAY 27th. The board used an aisle based on findings to forensics and all 5 members voted to deny
that we're present at the meeting. And then applicant. Submitted their appeal application JUNE second. And this instance unfortunate is not a whole lot of time left the 120 day 15. 99 deadline is JULY 15. So next week. So go further into the findings. Finding 3 that the applicant established, that there are practical difficulties. Intent of this finding is that the hardship is not self-created, as we mentioned in the last case and that the landowner cannot utilize the property in a reasonable way due to the ordinance and the staff and board's opinion was that this request is financially driven as the testimony primarily focused on the funding stream. There are
a variety of possible viable uses that can established on this beat whose own property by rate. Stephanie was not met. Mining for regarding the landowners. Quite it's supposed to be if if the variance is going to granted, it needs to be due to a second sense to me to the property, not great by the landowner. This finding part is that. Excuse me, this recall find your Is that request be due to a hardship related to the property itself? request of variance arises not from the unique circumstances of the land, but the applicant's desire to exceed the permitted number of residents within required distance. The separation apartment affects other properties within a quarter mile of that facility. That was on the map pior. So that played is not unique to this property, rather its general to the surrounding area.
Findings not met. And then the last 26 essential character staff and the board Ford's opinion is that granting the variance with resulting cluster which could undermine the goal of community integration and contributing institutional caracter that's inconsistent with certain area. And like I stated in past now it's up to the city council to decide if they believe that there's an error. In fact, plenty of procedure. Granting their quest means that the property owner could establish the 22 residents supportive housing facility denying the appeal. Means that the property when property owner would be able to establish a 22 residents supportive housing facility. However, they could operate the rooming house as it is today. And if you have any
questions, I'm happy respond. Thanks, MISTER. 2 things. One I want to note, as you said, it is really unfortunate that we're getting this with no time socially to deliberate in Lee. That's over. We have to make a decision today because the deadline is before next Wednesday. Its we really don't want to be in that situation. And I know that MR. Williams is working on behalf of the council and department staff to make sure that we are not backed up against this deadline, which we seem to have. Ben and multiple times recently. So we're going to be working on that. But I appreciate your acknowledgment that it's not a good place to be. Ialso just want to confirm that this facility can stay where it is and it can continue serving the number of people. It serves as long as
it doesn't become a supportive housing helps. The issue is that it become supportive housing. It's then to close answers to many people it is becoming supportive housing because they can't serve food as a rooming house. Correct council. PRESIDENT Maker, they can continue operating as a 22 resident, rooming house, but not Ed. The services to created a supportive housing facility. Thank you. Other questions for MISTER. I before we go to the public hearing. Thank you so much. Don't go too far. Once again, this is a public hearing and we'll start with the Helen to have 5 mnutes and then other testifiers will have to so that putt. Here. MR. Shorts, no MR. Shorts. Okay. There anyone else here to testify on this item? Somewhat unusual anyone
who detest okay. Iclose the public hearing all in favor say Aye. I post 7 in favor opposed public hearing is closed. So I watch the 3 bza meetings on the subject. I did read the documents that MR. Sports submitted and support of his appeal I did not find any air in fact procedures. I watched the bza meetings. There was reference to sort of overreach on the part of the city attorney's office. I didn't see that. So I didn't I didn't see air. In fact, 20 of procedure. I did hear the bza, though, really wrestling with this issue much in the same way that we were just doing MR. Provide scheme really, really eloquently pointed out because it's clear that we need a solution to allow folks to continue getting these services where they are in community and also be able to adapt to these new state regulations really was saying he's sort of come up on us and
are now creating real consternation and kind of a state of emergency for a lot of these these providers it's it sort of seems like the decision to serve. Food is now forcing applicants into this category of supportive housing that is much more intense than they need. It also triggers all of these requirements that they can't meet like the separation requirements and limits in terms of numbers of folks or so. I'm gonna move to deny the appeal because I don't believe there's grounds to support the appeal. And I don't think we can just ignore the conditions that we have to the findings we have to make in order to grant variances. We do need a policy change to address this because as was pointed out, this is only gonna continue coming forward until we do. And we need that in short order because these are operators that we need to continue doing their good work. So I would love to do
not deny the appeal today, but then to have a policy session. In the near future t discuss this issue and to ask Dsi and pd and other relevant staff to come to us with the recommendation as to how they think what policy change they think would address this issue and to MR. Pratt's his point that that might be as simple as allowing food in a certain category or it might be creating a new category that just allows for these operators to continue. There. But for the moment, my motion would be to deny the appeal. Is there discussion of that motion? Martin? I guess it's more relevant to te think how we proceed with some of these issues that I completely agree with you that we need some additional guidance from from different staffers that are actually working on this issue since it's going to continue. And I
recognize that each different particular item is its own has to be reviewed by case-by-case. However. I will say that having these 2 items on the agenda for this week. And even just hearing the conversation surrounding them and how they differ is a little bit concerning to me. But agree with your findings just being able to review it. i think the one thing that I would also note is because the supplies potentially to wife, if h entities are operating currently under Lou. This Luann time are kind of uncertainty. I'm not sure how I know this is our first set to come to us because this isn't these decisions have ultimately and and and the bza denial. But we
need to also see The totality moving forward, especially the ones that were approved I appreciate your your final supporter motion today. It does can I just have a few concerns with how that will. How we will continue the conversations forward, knowing that there will be some that maybe have Yeah, no thanks Johnson. And to that point, I fully appreciate. And I'm glad that you said at The tension when you have to some issues right in front of If we had had more time on this issue, I actually think it would make sense to also lay it over so that we can sort of get all of the same information to talk about both at the same time. But we don't have the luxury of that with this item. And I also would say, you know, I saw the bza wrestling with exactly the same things they had. I think 3 or 4 of the same types of applications in front of them. One right after another. To the extent that they kind you know, that's the mall and took those all and at the time but
were sort of wrestling with each one, its own independent case. And yet clearly they're all of a piece in some ways. So I think that that just further points to the need for it. A policy change because this isn't just a one-off situation, as you're saying to appreciate it. There another comment? Okay. A motion deny the appeal all in favor say Aye. I'll post. 7 in favor nor opposed the motion of intent is the appeal is denied. Before we go to our legislative and consent agenda. I realize I made a mistake. made a mistake. But I I also didn't Item. 43, that actually was this was the 3rd reading of this item. There was a little bit of weird timing issue. And so we can finally about that item today. And I think it would benefit the department if we did so. I moved to reconsider resident
ordinance. 25 dash 37. Al in favor say Aye. I'll post 7 in favor there. No one opposed item. 43 ordinance 25 dash 3, 7, is reconsidered and I would move to. Approve to adopt All in favor say. 7 favorite. No one opposed. The ordinance is adopted. Legislative hearing consent agenda items. 54 through 70 every 4 you for your consideration. Welcome is warm and I've got to slow that down case. Good afternoon council. PRESIDENT Maker Councilmembers. To the best of my knowledge, there's no one here to testify a legislative hearing item. So we will hold a public hearing items if you're here to speak on item. 54 through 70. Any of those items, this is your public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on any of these items? Seeing none. Take a motion from Johnson, too. Close the public hearing and adopt all of these with the recommendations of a
legislative hearing. Officer all in favor say Aye. I'll post 7 in favor opposed the public hearings are closed to the consent agenda is adopted as amended. That brings us to good news. Is there any good news around the table? Vice PRESIDENT. at the restroom, Ivory Friday, JULY 18th a little early, but I feel like you your calendars. Friday, JULY 18, one to 03:00pm during the Race Street Library is they bring back the program barnyard has they have animals, crafts, music and games, funds for family. You can come learn about local organizations play with some baby goats need some chickens, dances levels and make some fun masks together. Friday, JULY 18th Street Library, one to 03:00pm Come for the Goats. Stay for the business. And has
a Yes. Thanks, vice PRESIDENT Other good news from around the words as council PRESIDENT Theirs. A couple of fair housing workshops being hosted by the Qatari Side District Council and the city of Saint Paul. It's workshop to learn about your rights as a renter and what resources the city can provide. Here's light appetizers provided an attendee so receive a gift card so one is tonight from 5.30, to 7 at the Hidden Heights Library. And the second one is AUGUST 13. So it's in-person and hybrid. If folks want to join online than they rcp at d 2. So it's spelt out the number 2, a and and I e. At out. But that calm. Thanks again. Congratulations
on good other goodness. It's I just want to share the. Helen District Council is hosting summer Thursday Thursday, which would tomorrow, JULY 10th from 6, 38, 30. There's going to be a movie and food at Sibley Manor Apartments, which major drive. So kind cross from Plaza. There's also going to be lots of activities. It hosted by Saint Paul Parks and Rec. There will be food from to and restaurant. They'll be game truck and then the movie the parent trap will be starting at dusk. I don't know which version of parents going to be, I think it'll be great see all the candidates yeah. Thanks just meaning. Watch that. Think it's really. So 2 news, one is the capital area community vitality, kickoff. If you're
familiar, the state had a bite out of the fun, too. And resources and funding and engagement around that capital area know me PRESIDENT Maker share that the peak him as well. Sure, the area, but there's going to be games is going to be tons of opportunities for young people to get involve our 2 state representatives, some have and Maria will be there to kick off be since peaking in opportunities learn more about how the that air can get funding. The second not so much good news, but honoring opportunity to honor the elder. No. Ben Zhao, who have passed away a week ago, he was known in the community as MR. Bubbles and brought so much joy and also want to say thank you. Last year we had the opportunity to pass a
resolution and present that to him this year. The Ramsey County was able to give proclamation, but he I believe 30 or 35 years, a community peace. And celebration. So on Monday at 7.30, organizer, community organizers are coming together and doing a walk-through of all the peace Garden said he has in stock in the fraud town and Rondo neighborhood. And I believe even on a broader scale as well. So we'll be visiting each piece starting. People are invited to bring flowers are a candle, whether it's real or or hold signs. So that's Monday. 7.30, out on the able to share that with you guys. Thanks, Thanks for leadership and interesting that that resolution in good time. The Thank you. I just have one reminder. During my
last month we were able to honor a Texas community partners Turner resolution and they announced the opening of their open refund for this year. We have about a week left before it closes. The deadline on the 21st. So if we do have and community members who identify as African-American and descendants of tennis, a that are in Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. They still have an opportunity to apply as long as there. 14 and older. And so you have about. At 7 little under a week left to still apply. Deadline is the 21st and it is hard stop. So if you have applied by then we will not be extending but that the time frame to which people but folks will have to apply and I think suggesting to them is while it's that simplistic in nature and purpose to ensure that people haven't and access
to the application. You can take your time but don't spend an ample amount of time on it to story of. I can make Thanks for stopping. Anything else. Otherwise, I will just if you haven't kicked Calais yet head on down to cut my park, that's the actual name it and just make that up credit. But it's not mine. Ticket and colleague is happening all summer. U.S. PRESIDENT. I there today there wasn't anything actually happening on Wednesday. But all the other days. And hear you know, the tracks and we saw a little and and his dad like playing with some of toys in the fountains. Really cool. Thank you so that you can checkout Park. That brings us really to the end of agenda. Thanks, everyone. We are