Well, the meeting of the same a city council to order roll call, please can. Coleman Johnson. Council, PRESIDENT Maker here 6 present one absent being Councilmember Johnson, who is expected shortly thank you so much to everyone who is taking time to join us for city Council meeting today. We invite everyone to join us in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of United States and they're. And to Republic for which it stands. One under GOD, indivisible liberty and justice for all. Consent agenda items to 3.16, or before you for your consideration. We believe we are taking item 9. 15 16 for separate consideration. Content is being withdrawn. There anything else to be taken for separate consideration? Seeing none. Take a motion from this fully for the balance of the consent agenda. All in favor
say Aye. Aye opposed. 6 in favor. None opposed the consent agenda is adopted as amended and item number 10 has withdrawn. Item number 9 is resolution. 25 Dash 17. 52 directing the Department of Safety inspections to revoke the liquor on sale 100 seats or less. Current sales and a license held by the mayor the Open Bar and Restaurant llc doing business as Tamara for premises located at 8.23 University Avenue West. I know this item is to be laid over till DECEMBER 3rd, but it looked to as Billy, if there's any comment beyond know, had a chance to talk with the city attorney's office and they were really clear about this. Is that? Just a technical item? So much to lay over till DECEMBER 3rd, correct? All right. Any
discussion of the motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. All post 6 in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted item. Number 15 is resolution. 25 Dash 17 81 proving the mayor's appointment of councilmember know Feeing to the Saint Paul Port Authority Board of Commissioners beginning on DECEMBER. First 2025. I think wanted to pull item. Thank you, council PRESIDENT. Well, I will officially be back from maternity as of DECEMBER. First, since I do appreciate them. Want to say things to me. Are Carter for appointee need to the Port Authority Board and also the board of Waters commissioners. And I want to give a shout out council PRESIDENT You for filling in for me on the port board not just once, but I cn maybe. Twice or 3 times and then
also to cover Johnson, too, because this is her second time in for me on the water board. And so Just a fight about on, you just my time during the council here, which is my 5th year and the council mean, the first see pecans member to ever go on maternity leave. And I look at the table around us today, I see moms, I see young moms. They see. Council members who care for children and who penned so much time into their family and are also doing so much important work out in the community. And, you know, the change representation here at the table also means that we have to be building toward systems that work for us and that are sustainable for us. And I really appreciate how you all show Not just for me, but for each other making that happen. It's really important
not just for us, but for the future generations of people who are in elected office. And so thank you, too. You all. And also top of that customers who fought in from er staff and big things to you to council vice PRESIDENT For filling in for me on the Budget Committee. Tank you for your taking the time to pull this off missing. And for those eloquent I agree completely. And I'll save an honor to be able to fill in for you on the Port Authority board. It's been really beautiful to watch your family expand, but even more than that to watch the way that you have. So. Amazingly, balance your work responsibilities and your family, which I know is huge priority for you yeah, I think that to say you can't do it all. You just have to look at now seeing. Mark, thank you so much. And we're happy to have you back fully on the matter.
We noticed because he somehow made it to every single meeting while you're on maternity any other discussion of motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. Aye opposed 6 in favor opposed the resolution is adopted. And I just want to say I did misspeak. Item number 9 is laid over to DECEMBER 3rd, I mistakenly said adopted. Item number 16 is resolution. 25 Dash 17. 82 approving the mayor's appointment of councilmember now seeing to the Board of Water commissioners for a term beginning on DECEMBER. First 2025. People just want take a motion for missing for approval. Any discussion. All in favor say Aye. I I'll post 6 in favor, not oppose. The resolution is adopted. Before we go on. So just want to make one note, I think for those who received a printed copy of the agenda when you came in, it says that we have a suspension item that we're taking now. We actually get a
move after public hearings. So if you want to stick around and listen to the Port Authority's budget presentation, you are very welcome to do that. But you definitely don't have to. Because we're gonna move it till later. Item number 17 is ordinance. 25 dash 63 amending the Legislative Code Chapter to 20 to allow for garbage cart sharing of properties of 2 or more dwelling units beginning JANUARY first 2026 and again, for those of you who are not super familiar with the Mayor council meetings work, we have 3 readings for every ordinance. The first reading we get a staff report. And a diet doctor, pepper. The first reading we get a staff report that gives us background information on the item. The second reading we have a public hearing and then the 3rd reading or sometimes later, if we need to consider more amendments, we adopt the ordinance. So we go and sort
of reverse order here and you'll see that we have a number of items that are here for final adoption. They're all really significant items. But we've already talked about them at least twice, including having a public hearing. So if you feel like we're moving too quickly, not to worry. This is really the 3rd time we're looking at all these items so with that, I would look to add take a motion from common for approval of the Any discussion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. Post 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is adopted item. Number 18 is final adoption of ordinance. 25 dash 66 creating chapter for 20 of the Legislative Code establishing regulations for registration of Cannabis and hemp businesses. Pretty chapter for of the legislative code establishing a permit requirement and and process for temporary cannabis
events and amending section 3, to add a definition of cannabis fees. This is also the first for final adoption. That would take a motion for approval from this toast there. Any discussion of that motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. All post 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is adopted item. Nmber 19 is final adoption of ordinance. 25 Dash 6, 7, amending chapter one, 70 point 0, 2, of the legislative code to allow director of parks and recreation to adjust the hours of certain parks to accommodate for park use during the 2025 world Junior Hockey Championship will take a motion for final adoption from is Yang's there. Any discussion of the motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. All opposed 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is
adopted item number twenty's ordinance. 25 Dash 68 amending section 106, point. 0, one of the legislative code to allow businesses in the downtown entertainment district to temporarily allow items in the right of way without a sidewalk use permit during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. I will take a motion from Vice PRESIDENT Kim for final adoption of this item. Is there any discussion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. I almost 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is adopted and number, 21 is final adoption of ordinance. 25 Dash 69 amending section 2.93. Point, 0, 2 d of the legislative coat to remove the requirement for sound level variance in the downtown entertainment district during the 2025 World Junior Hockey
Championship. I will take a motion from his belief for final adoption of this any discussion of the motion. Seeing none all in favor say opposed 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is adopted. Item number. 22 is final adoption of ordinance. 25 Dash 70 amending section 409, point. '08, of the legislative code to allow holders of liquor licenses issued under Section 409, to apply for extended service of alcoholic beverages until 02:00am during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. And if you're following along, you'll notice that downtown is going to be a lot of fun. While the World Junior Championship here. I will take a motion for final adoption from his Coleman. Is there any discussion of that motion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. 6 in favor nor opposed the ordinance is adopted item number. 23 is final adoption
of ordinance. 25 Dash 71 amending section. 55 of the Legislative Code. Simplify the requirement for a temporary structure permit during a 2025 real Junior Hockey championship will take a motion from his jokes for final adoption of this item. Is there any discussion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. I'll post 6 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is adopted item. Number 20 final adoption of ordinance. 25 that 76 pretty chapter 2.97 of the legislative code prohibiting the use and placement of virtual currency. Chaos within the city. So I just want to make a comment before we take a vote on this item. First of all, want to thank all of my colleagues for your support, here throughout this process and also during our policy session, when we really got
familiar with this. Predatory behavior that the scams that are affecting our low income community, our seniors, family members of folks who've been incarcerated and and so many others in our community. I think we're doing the right thing today by banning these kiosks in the city of Saint Paul. And I'm really grateful t our staff who've taken a close look at this and done the homework to figure out that how we can do this. I also want to especially shout out to MR. Tan Plunkett who first bought brought this issue to our attention who is here with us today. Thank you for your bravery and telling your story on behalf of many others who have also been affected and MAY or MAY not have been able to tell their stories. And finally, a huge shout out to
my legislative aide making jacket. Not only did all of the work on but also vsited personally 4 of the different retail establishments in Saint Paul, where those kiosks are located. And I think it's worthy to note, especially given that we heard some testimony from one of the kiosk businesses last week about the effect on on small retail oerators. That of all the 4 stores we visited, the staff that we spoke to there expressed concern about the behavior that they had seen, the people who they had seen in distress visiting these kiosks. And we heard loud and clear from Stillwater that as soon as they enacted their van and just communicated about it even before it took effect, the businesses community that had these kiosks wanted to get rid of them. They didn't want to be part of this kind of activity. And I expect that that will happen here in Saint
Paul as well. So with that, I would move approval and I would welcome any further discussion just. Thank you so much council PRESIDENT For saying just want to thank you in your legislative aide, Macon jacket for. Bring a lot of education and awareness to this issue. And we were presented on this and maybe, you know, I don't know that I'd seen a cryptocurrency kiosk o notice one, but they're at least 5 of them in my ward. And, you know, when we were presented on that at this at the time, there was discussion of banning the kiosks or potentially. Trying to regulate them. And I commented that, you know, it's hard for me to see what what purpose these kiosks are to our residents. And I still don't see what what that purposes or benefit to our residents into our businesses. I think that. I do understand that, you
know, they get some of the revenue from the transactions at these crypto kiosks. But I don't think to your point that they know what's going on in some of the concerns that I've also heard are very similar that the they do see folks using them that seemed to be in distress. They they're worried about them as well. And for me in my word where these are concentrated is a lot of them are long Fort Parkway where we know that there is a concentration of seniors and older folks in there will be more moving into, you know, Highland Bridge. And so that's very, very concerning to And so I will be voting in support of this. And I just really appreciate you bringing it forward. Thank you. MRS.
Doesn't come in the missing yeah, very appreciative of your leadership on this issue. Hansel PRESIDENT Very first of the test fires that came to give just very compelling personal. Narratives tat are very difficult to share. This is a consumer protection issue that's cropping up across the country were nt the only city where not only state that is facing do. Crypto kiosks. And so I'm very proud of this council again for taking a really great common sense step 2 families from our city. So I'm also looking forward to vote in support of Thank you. PRESIDENT. Thanks. Council PRESIDENT And I am also voting in support of this, too. And I really commend you for your leadership in bringing this I really loved what we have done with our policy committee, which is he sid as a space for residents to be able to come in and speak up about teir experiences that I if we would be here today, a
passing. This ordinance are voting on it. If it weren't for the resident you set. Name is Tim MAY who came spoke up about to me. It just really goes It's really counting about how powerful it isn't. We do use our voice to create change. And that's clearly what has happened here in. It's really moving to see how in the council here are able to take action to prevent people from being victims of scams at these kiosks. And so I this will be of a very life changing a policy that we're making here. So I'm in support of it. Thank you. Missing. Doesn't look like there's any other discussion. Thanks so also want to share. I do appreciate counts make your leadership on this and how we had you lie. So public. Policy committee to really have this really critical conversation and how you coordinate it across multiple
cities of different versions of this ordinance. I recall, particularly now sharing with you in terms of, you know, my support of I'm really having more of a regulatory approach. And, you aso and the support of continuing, I'm supporting the state's efforts and monitoring and really holding. There's no illegal activity. Accountable. I have had a chance t talk with some of my constituents. Primarily, you know, The Gen z's where learned a lot about cryptocurrency yur crypto kiosk and from our conversations, they really seems like this is kind of like the beginning of the future banking rate and this tool, although has have been
very harmful. But it's a tool, right? And people have used it for good. And people have also use it for bad. I am a strong advocate of really making sure that holding and this illegal activity in those who prey on our most vulnerable accountable. So I do want to ensure that there's a caveat of, you the wreckage with attorney general working with the state working with our county attorneys and having a really strong Approaches. But I want be in support of this ordinance support and all the effort and all of leadership. I understand this not not on the succeeding side of this bill, but I do want to make sure that I'm being consistent that this ordinance I I would have
rival for is actually on address, the root causes. And, you know, yes, we are going to know this vote is going ban Crypto kiosk, but it's not going to stop people from actually who, you know, our bible and preyed upon to go to the next city or go to the next suburb. And I honestly think this like penalizes businesses and penalizes the actual company. And and just kind of relocate the issue. But I do want to say I hold highly. Do think important that we, you know, raise awareness. And I think that has really well what that was really good in terms of what came out of out of this. But I will not be in support this ordinance. Thank you, MISTER. The I really appreciate your thoughtful disagreement. And I and I want you to know I agree with you, I think with so many of issues, you know, we we
would prefer that the state take action ad yet we are where we are and have the opportunity to act where we can. But I am hopeful that on this as in so many other issues where we have led, that the state will follow suit. So thank you for saying that MR. I just want to say appreciate that. Ship, the discussion over time. I think it was an area that coming into the council rate. We have I learned a lot more about actually the different casts that we have on the east side, mostly because someone who died. This is just not an area expertise for sure for me. And then also as we've been heading into conversations, there's been so many other issues that can seem were urgent nature. But te predatory nature of it as well as something that is was hard to ignore as it to unfold, especially with the
testimonies committee members. And I think in general just the leadership of some of our other cities that have taken Stanton's. I mean, I think Saint Paul often we love to a spearhead kind of like a if, you know, as a city to set that residents. But so much of this was interesting, the unique where, you know, we were able to from like force, they can still water and like and that is that I feel like is this not common for? You know, folks always getting invitation from the Saint Paul City Council to come to the chambers to talk about their efforts to address this issue. And I think it's, you know, as we head into 2026, I see many opportunities for local leadership to continue to have that coalition model in mind
of, you know, we're stronger both as a city, but also his local municipalities throughout the state like any time his efforts, especially to g beyond the, you know, for certain suburbs or suburbs and big cities to small city collaboration as somebody who was born Risen wrote, and understand sometimes you don't always make it to the big city. Talk about policy and I think that this is a very unique unique situation where that did happen and it was really cool to watch. And so I appreciate leadership there and I appreciate the work in. If we haven't headed out your legislative a check today. I also appreciate her leadership and it, too, because some of the memos were some of the most memos that I had received a And my for sure in my time. And also just in general. So I did appreciate learning kind of going through that with you. And I look forward
to watever comes from the from the step, especially what other cities can learn and how we MAY be able to impact them their decision making as well. Thank you. Johnson. All right. Any further discussion? Seeing none. I think it's time to call for a vote and I think we'll do a roll call. Vote. Coleman. Yes, Johnson, I just yes council president maker. I 6 in favor want to pose that being councilmember believe the ordinance is adopted. Item number. 25 is first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 78 establishing chapter 15 of the Administrative Code to establish and define structured quarterly reporting requirements for certain personnel, vacancies and overtime utilization. And this is a first readings for the first time we are ever seen this ordinance come before us. And as a result, we will have a brief staff report from our chief policy officer certain Greenfield come up. Lights.
Thank you, council PRESIDENT. I just need a password to log to get the And then it will begin. I just say by way that tap dancing a little bit of a wait for the password and that this is we've had a very busy year on this council. And this is yet another one of our. Council legislative priorities, something that we talked about a great deal during our last budget cycle that now also through the hard work many folks in this body and serving Phyllis now coming before as legislation. So it's exciting to see that. Conversation about really we should have these becoming something that we actually will have now going forward. Thank you, council. PRESIDENT Slides are forthcoming. This is just a brief staff report ordinance. 75 Dash 78 which establishes and defines structured quarterly reporting requirements and requires a
yearly vacancy analysis as well as a structure. Corley reporting requirement for. Over time utilization and a yearly analysis over over time. Those ation by to public safety, public safety dpartments. So initial legislation was before in draft form before the Budget Committee in MAY, where the council heard testimony that is in similar structure to what has been presented. There are some differences. And so I'll highlight those differences to what's before council in MAY, as well as kind of what's been discussed and put forth in this current language that might be more and went for a voice activated tech support any more you can tell us why. This is a amendment that establishes a new chapter in the code of the Administrative Code pursuant to our authority, the City
Council's authority under the charter. Any act of the council at that establishes procedures for administrative actions. Must amitted a activity, administrative ordinance and that all administrative ordinances must be codified within the administrative code to ensure transparency and accountability. So that this this new chapter that regulates vacancy in overtime usage on both the quarterly yearly analysis basis is within that theme regulate regulating administrative behavior and conduct of city departments. So in terms of the structure of of the ordinance before you for 25 dash 78, there are 5 sections. The first section is a definition section that provides. And if definitions
and the types of reports that MAY be used, I think you might be. So. The first sorry for the disorganization a little bit So to begin the first section that establishes a quarterly vacancy report essentially attempts to establish a structured reporting for you can get another to Beginning on JANUARY one, 2027 requiring quarterly reporting by city departments. The quarterly vacancy report is prepared by human resources covers full-time budgeted, not appointment in on temporary roles. The vacancy with the data that has to be submitted on a quarterly basis is to include the job title in department, the duration of the vacancy and anticipate timeline for filling the
position. The anticipated budget savings from vacancy and any recruitment efforts that are made by the department to resolve fill the vacancy. The the report is to be prepared and submitted to the council and the mayor within 30 days of the date specified in Section 15, 0, 2. And this to be posted publicly. This structure of this report is what was before the council largely in MAY and was worked closely on with the city attorney's office to capture the correct personal data to make sure that the information that's being returned to the council isn't private information that the information is usable and is it is developed in a systematic way. So as to inform longer-term, broader projected based a decision making on behalf of the council as part of.
As part of the budget process. And that's what influence Section 15. 0, 3, which is the yearly analysis, component of the of the chapter, 15, the new chapter 15 of the administrative code. This requires a yearly vacancy analysis beginning on OCTOBER one, 2027 and each OCTOBER one thereafter, this is seen as more of a long-range broader, a broader brush, too approaching, analyze the the state of the city's vacancies amongst its workforce. And it is meant to bring forth a more systematic process that already seems to exist as part of the budgeting negotiations between the mayor and the council terms of identifying a vacant positions and ways that those those physicians are are determined. So its the way that this rip this ordinance
is intended to work is to have both the quarterly structured quarterly reporting structure as well as a yearly analysis of which the final quarterly report submitted in concurrence. The next section of ordinances section 15, 0, 4, which again requires a quarterly overtime utilization report. This requires set a similar schedule. To Section 15, 0, 2 15, 15. 0, 2, But instead of being prepared by the Department of Human Resources, this is prepared by the departments of police and Fire. And separated by a specified employee types and paragraph a of section 15. 0, 4, And report required reporting contents include average overtime hours used by the department payroll shifts. Harold just covered by over time. Quarter. Totally quarterly total payroll costs related to overtime pay and quarterly premium pay expenditures within each
department's track for structural or seasonal factors that affect the use of overtime and to give the council broader data sets in terms of the utilization and the use of overtime on a quarterly basis. So track the trends as they as they MAY be at play. And the final component of this ordinance is to include an overtime utilization yearly analysis. It's also begins on OCTOBER. 21 2027. They're part the year. Lionel Sosa overtime utilization for each of the previous employee tpe specified in Section 15. 0, 4, And this again is seen as they again, the higher version of what has been reported. More quarterly. To give yearly track coverage trends, including any notable increases, decreases our seasonal patterns in the use of overtime by public safety officials as well as a
comparison. Actual cost the budget allocations and a three-year analysis of previous actual sta budget. So by the time this ordinance takes effect, you know, the intention would be to capture previous year's data as part of that 2027 report and allow for more informed decision making from that point forward. So even though reporting MAY not be due by 2027, the expectation is that that report that is for submitted will have capture previous year's data. To account for a more informed decision making at that time. And that concludes the basis of my slides and a happy to stand for any questions or provide any further detail. All right. Thank you so much. MR. Can feel for that thorough overview questions at this point. MR. Johnson. The felt appreciate just kind of being walked through this ordinance as well. And I think
the the sentiments of being able to ensure that we have adequate affording on multiple fronts. I was just an overall value in that eye. Have a lot of alignment with. The last slide. I just hoping that you could just share a little bit about yearly analysts, the yearly now is this just because I think I ws trying to visualize the timelines for when they would actually be a yearly analysis of it begins OCTOBER 1st, just kind of one. Is that the 2026? Healey announced that we would receive at that time or just to understand a little bit more about backing of how that actually works and why it's in place. That that thank you, Councilmember Johnson. I think that's an important question and consideration. You know, the date selection of 2027 was just to
reflect the need for developing standard and systematic practices for reporting and tracking this information so falling, you know, MAY be on hand for for months. And I don't want to represent that necessarily. The date was chosen to give that on-ramp time to allow for, you know, exactly for the council's intent to be reflected in in terms of that report. So if there are modifications that need to happen order to get the data necessary. We thought it would be appropriate at this language to give Till 2027 to allow to 2025 and the 2026. But season to unfold and then find that. Ability to refine as necessary without it coming into an existing season. And I think it's for what it's worth. And the question have oversight think comment that I make would be if they overtime utilization nearly
analysis. Is that meant to infants? Future budget cycles, then the OCTOBER first deadline might be a little bit late being that usually the mayor's proposal isn't the end of AUGUST early SEPTEMBER. And so fickle would be to, you know, advocate in any way for adjustments to the budget or after seeing 2025 or 26 budget. And then over time it was a shunt. If there was if it was meant to imply things at that time, it be influencing the council's. This is but not maybe not necessarily departments administration wise because that would be after they've already are propose, you know, if their proposal for the year for for the 28 year in that case. But that's something to take into consideration. Otherwise, I could tink for
the most part, a lot of what it sure does and alignment where we're at 2. But just sometimes those deadlines. Again, if it that the intent there is not necessarily to influence future conversations but maybe a month. The council, the that gives us ample time to respond. But it's something that could be a discussion topic earlier in the year. If it was like, say, you know, it was like earlier when the administration is a typically proposes their budgets. And chair Johnson and members of the committee, I think the ideal with OCTOBER was to provide, you know, again, that maximum on-ramp and allow for just as necessary, you know, kind from my perspective putting that that date together. I think, was reflective of the idea that. Putting into early MAY
not result in complete information. Sure. And so that was that kind of the window of time, whereas trying to find where enough of the year potentially maybe has has a lapse. But at the same tme, capture it within the budget cycle. So but, you know, as a non budget epert that was kind of a shot a little bit in the dark, but I'm happy you know, take on all feedback as necessary. And just to see it. Thank you, MR. Until other questions that thanks, council PRESIDENT. Well, I'm looking for to you for your work on this. I know we talked about this a lot this year already and I'm excited to see it moving. I just want to see over like I'm I'm I would love to follow with you some more just because thing about our budget process for next year, I would imagine that the council members are still very interested in getting a vacancy reports just as we been for this year. And, you know, we've requested them and most likely what did the same
for next year say I just if we, example, if the language stays as 2027 just want to make sure that for next year, there is still there is still well just being transparent, like we're still going to want a consumer reports. So I will touch base with you more about that. Absolutely I think that that is the expectation that that's not changing. You know, it was more of finding ways to reflect what's already practiced between council the administration. But at the same time, allow for enough programming of the actual, you know, requirements and in ordinance and finding that that balancing act with time. I think that's kind of where the hatch was more towards the later aside, as opposed to more earlier budget cycle.
Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. And Sandpoint we nothing about this will keep us from asking for the same reports that we've been asking for. This will just give us that for malady in code that from then on, we do have to ask for it. It's presented to us as a matter, of course, and high level. And am sure my colleagues enthusiasm for this. This is something we've noticed over the last several budget cycles. The vacancies in the overtime are big. Have a big impact on our budget and be able to have that information more early and more often and more transparently is gonna make a big difference. So thank for your work on MR. Greenfield also hit my colleagues. This is our ordinance. Public hearing on it next week. And if anyone wants to bring any amendments to the questions that were just asked ideas other people have. Let's do that. Just want to just give shout out to you, Tim, like
relief for working on this. And I I really, fascinated by this process just like how we've done. Other public policy committee reviews. I am really passing to be part of the council that's really truly like the funders of a new budget policy and approach. Really, to establish like a better process and especially how we govern. One of my recommendations, I would just say in terms of I don't think it will be worthwhile for amendment, but at maybe as a as a additional resolution with this is that we build and some internal evaluations of this ordinance over able to see what our best outcomes that come out of this. And also you know, I just want to echo how important it is to have a transparent reporting
system and that that is just critical to our bureau as council members have been elected to provide oversight. And want to also highlight the thoughtfulness that went into making sure we have a timeline to be able to test right to tested before it is ready for for launching. So and I also do share some of like COUNCILMAN With Johnson's questions, particularly on the timeline. I do think it is really, really important that we are in alignment with the administration's proposal. Timeline just so we could be able to utilize this ordinance effectively saw Thank you. Kudos everybody in their work. Thank you, The I concur and knowing this council, I think that w will be taking a critical eye as to how it's working and b looking for
ways to improve edge of list of reading that into the ordinance. To your point. Okay. There's no further questions for MR. Greenfield will have effect next week for applicant. The 3rd. Not a week of Thanksgiving, DECEMBER 3rd for public. The ordinance is a laid over to 3rd for second reading public hearing. Item number. 26 is second reading public hearing of ordinance. 25 Dash 72 amending chapter 60. 61. 68 72 of the legislative code pertaining to the Mississippi River Corridor, critical area and the floodplain management overlay districts. This brings us to the public hearing section of our agenda. So if you are here for a public hearing item, including this first one, we'll have you do when your item is red. And just
momentarily for this is too come on up to line up. Both sides are equally good sides to stand on. So you don't all have to be on this one. When it's your turn to speak. Come up and stand right between the 2 microphones. You don't have to adjust them. They will pick your voice up just fine. And you'll have 2 minutes to testify. Please start by saying your name and where you're coming from. And then you'll have 2 minutes. My unenviable job is to keep everyone to the same 2 minutes. There will be a time right in front of you. It's it is not a lot of time. So just know that there are other ways to send this testimony. If you run out of time, we can accept your written comments here. Can also e-mail us as well. So with that, this is a public
hearing on item. 26 and anyone who's here to testify, please come on up. When you're done testifying, please sign in on the sign in sheets on either side. My name is John Fury. And my address is 17. 52, Nebraska and east and I work for the Capital River Council, which is the District Council for District 17, includes downtown in the capital area. overwhelming majority people who are engaged in a work of in support of vision and tentative plans for the river's edge development. A lot of downtown residents have a sense of loss because of the closing of one's byerly's and other businesses that heavy they're closed on. That seemed to be struggling. We understand it more residents and workers are needed in order for a grocery store and other downtown businesses to be more viable. Share the concerns that other expressed that limits and regulatory process of getting a
conditional use permit would cause that development process to be delayed. So that capital are council their tractors recommends amending the MR. Cca organs to make counties and from the building, limits. Thank you for the opportunity provide input. Thank you very much. And make sure to sign We'll go alternate side. So yeah. Coming up. That's that's the advantage to standing on the right Good afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is cloudy. Think hammer. I am a redevelopment manager community economic development department at Ramsey County. I am here today to express the county's concerns with the language with the proposed market ordinance that applies to heights in the urban core. This particular language creates new restrictions that are difficult to administer and interpret and overly burdensome process for downtown development projects.
This wording works against our shared vision of decades of work and recently outlined in the downtown investment strategy, a more vibrant, a more inclusive and more economically resilient downtown. River's edge is a bold project supported by the county and the city. This project represents an unparalleled opportunity to fulfill many important shared objectives, removing barriers to accessing the Mississippi River, creating new public spaces that center the beauty of the Mississippi River, cultivating new opportunities for housing and entertainment and creating an important new tax base for the city and county. Downtown. Saint Paul serves as a unique and critical geography in supporting they city and county's fiscal health projects like Rivers Edge in numerous others in downtown are key to building tax base
and helping relieve property tax pressures river's edge alone is projected to bring in 10 to 15 million dollars in property tax for city County and school district. Unfortunately, this restrictive language severely hampers our ability deliver on these objectives. The dnr defined the management of the urban core be done with the greatest flexibility to protect commercial industrial and other high intensity. Urban uses an ordinance that allows the underlying zoning to determine height. Maximums will prioritizing tearing away from the river accomplishes that. Thank you. Thank you very much. To make sure to send in. Well, coming up. Hello, my name is Jacob Hooper. I'm here representing sustain Saint Paul right now. First of all, I wanted to
thank the city staff are all the hard work put into this. It's important that we update maintain compliance, the dnr and sustain is grateful for the work put into this so far. In fact, we really appreciated the steps. Original recommendations for this update. They maintained dnr compliance while finding the right balance of protecting a river of also allowing fr necessary development downtown. Unfortunately, it does look like the current version being submitted by the Planning Commission moves away from that balance and concerned about the setback, height limits and the urban core in urban mxed areas. It's one of known that Saint Paul's long, beautiful riverfront is really underutilized asset of the cities like Seattle have created these really gorgeous urban water fronts with pedestrian walkways and shops and housing community assets
and parks things that really elevate not detract from the river and they become big draws both residents and tourists alike. And we don't really have that. Meanwhile, our city, as was just mentioned, is continuing struggle with property tax burden. If you like me to not live in downtown live in North side or side of Frank Town or wherever the snow that part of the reason your taxes are jumping is because of our struggling downtown and ability to 6 inability to secure investment. They're concerned that the setback height limits are not only restrictive, but maybe even more importantly to calculate and confusing river curves and changes and rises and you need accurate and legally defensible measurements. And
this is not only going impact developments in the pipeline like reverse edge, but also like the West side flats and proponents say can get a cup. But I don't think the city council wants to spend all the time looking at conditional use permits and banks don't really trust those either. So this is going to negatively impacts development Saint Paul's downtown. We don't set back downtown the setbacks. End this be more in line with city staff. Original recommendations. Thank you. Thank you very much. To make sure to sign welcome up. You're talking to And also looking to take your 2 minutes. But I got it. All right. Thank you. Well, come Good afternoon. Council PRESIDENT Maker and members of the council. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. Name is John Perch and the vice PRESIDENT Of government affairs at Saint Paul Aea chamber representing more than 1600 employers, nonprofit and civic partners committed to
the future of this city. Start things. Yes, downtown Saint Paul is inflection point that increasingly looks like possibility. Starting to see real moment. New vision, new partners, new capital, new development opportunities and a chance to reshape the heart of the city. Cannot afford to slow that momentum. Now. That is why the chamber's urging you to exempt the urban core from proposed height restrictions and conditional use permit language in the Merkel ordinance. Height limits in the urban core. The urban core being inappropriate, logical and sustainable location for increase density and heights would directly undermine the city's own stated priorities of 20,000 new downtown residents, a stronger and more
resilient pack space and housing variety that attracts workers, families and employers. There's also a matter regular regulatory uncertainty and competitiveness, Michael Gordon has drafted create additional barriers and risk for projects at the exact moment, developers, lenders and investors are deciding whether same policy. Yes, city or maybe city. We need to be city. And Saint Paul doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. 25 other river communities, including major regional peers have a dot adopted Merkel ordinances that closely align with the dnr is model language showing we can protect the river through consistent land, use planning while supporting growth and revitalization. Urban core deserves that same bounce. So close with this
momentum is fragile policy shapes, perception. Let's send a clear signal. Saint Paul wants to drive growth, welcome investment and is open to a stronger future. Please accept the urban core from height, restrictions and remove see up late with us. Thank you for your time today. Thank you, fellas. Perfectly timed and welcome, not. Greetings to the council. My name is Britain Homes, a cabinet maker, word to resident and member of assisting Saint Paul. I would like to ask the council to amend the proposed changes to the mrc ca in order that they would more closely reflect the city. Staff's original recommendations, particularly as regards the height limits in the urban
core. I'm concerned that the limits put forward by the planning Commission are necessarily Baroque and would require a conditional use permit for most new developments. If Saint Paul is interested in reviving downtown and growing its tax base, the proposed barriers like these should be heavily scrutinized. And weighed against their future costs. The Mississippi does the protection. Part of that protection is keeping cities dense and concentrating development away from the Thank you. Thank you very much. Make sure will come up. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT Council members. My name is Daniel Kennedy. Emma, 22 59 summit. I don't want to talk about there. There MAY be reasons why downtown and the built environment is different desired. View from the natural look that aspired for other
parts of the river. I want to talk about Section 68.2, 3, 4, specifically. That's about building heights additional high being allowed in some sections and have 2 issues to face. I see up that's being required in this section. There are certain standards that early 4th for that, that they have to meet. It should be clear in the ordinance that people who already have us up. That was fashion decades ago under different sensibilities about environmental protection and Bird pathways and shadowing and the effect of I-10 and the visual environment. That up that meets the current standard to be applied for your pain. Otherwise people would use notes up to say, oh, I can just build what I won't even know. The new ordinance says specifically that you have to meet those standards. The other issue is that it really should be a variance and not
conditional use permit for a couple of different reasons. First, try its nature. A conditional use permit takes a permitted use in put conditions on it. It doesn't expand what you can do. It limits what you can do. Where is a variance takes what is permitted and allows you to do something extra that you're not allowed to. And this exceeding the building height requirement would allow them to do something extra. So it should be described as a variance. That is a pained instead of a conditional use permit. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Make cent. High and we need your a long chain city of Saint Paul resident for a decade. Employee of Saint Paul and a brand new Graham ne side. I'm
here for him. This is the great majestic, Mississippi River Corridor. It's not owned by the city of Saint Paul. This is a holy sacred Native American area. Stretches nationally. This ordinance hits started in 2015 being drafted. It has been stalled. It is very intentionally written by some of the best people apd. Now it was tweet each with certain things to be considered. But it is not a haphazard very deliberate. You all of you sitting here now have a place in history. Will you go to protect the great Mississippi River corridor or will you sell out the environment? For over developers such as the corner of Highland Park Way,
Mississippi River Road took down 16 church and wanted to build close to 50 feet tall luxury apartment building. Right. The Mississippi River corridor to have and infinity pool, a dog park. And a fire pit. My grandson, your grandchildren, your children deserve better than that. They should be able to walk by drive the Mississippi River Road corridor. Over developed. Apartment buildings like Trump Towers. Thank you. Elected officials. Thank you very much. To make sure to sign in. Well, come up. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Joe Beierle. Live at 406. What could and lower count? My wife and I have
lived there for 7 years. We retired there in planning to stay a long time. I mean, we look forward to being a part of a mlti th multi ethnic multi multi community for for a long time. And I think we all know that Saint Paul needs more people to be that and we need more housing to achieve that. And so I'm here to speak on behalf of the amendment to to enable more more I don't think we're in a position where we're building Trump towers on the riverfront. I am confident in you in the incoming Mayor County and state to do whatever happens in the river front, tastefully and well and to get there faster. I urge your support of
the amendment. Thank you. Thank you very much. Make sure Senate will cme up. Thorsten some 15 55 grams Street. Mirka rules have maximum fake standards that additionally require lower structure hates closer to the river in bluff lines. Define tearing slopes in the draft ordinance are not more restrictive than this. They don't change Bay State standards set in murky rules and don't limit hike rather they defined slopes for areas close to the river in bluff lines under which almost all likely development would automatically be approved for conformance with tearing requirements. Without to find tearing slopes a subjective decision and conformance with the vague tearing requirement. Always be needed creating unnecessary difficulty for staff. Clear language creates
predictability in the development process. It hurt detour is the legal challenges simplifies administration. And saves time for everyone for these reasons. Ahmed Omar coordinates provided by the dnr suggests replacing the vague, tearing language wth specific permitted hate standards based on distance from the river. It's important that there would be a couple process for planning Commission review when a subjective decision is needed for tall structures above the defining tearing slopes. The cup process is our standard often use best way to permit a worse objective review is needed. The cup processes not onerous, especially for the few large projects to which the Murph, a cup language would apply. We commonly required cups for much smaller projects. The tearing requirement and the rules can eliminated by city ordinance. The question. Is whether to provide for automatic approval of almost all development for
conformance with the cheering requirement and the couple process for te few remaining cases where a subjective decision would be necessary. Thank you so much. Make sure to sign in. Good afternoon. Council members and clean o'Connor in the land use and Planning Directorate Friends of the Mississippi River. Our full comment letters in your packet along with a separate petition signed by 262 Saint Paul residents. I want to commend the staff are making many improvements. This draft ordinance in response to feedback. However, we're still disappointed that the staffer move the birds safe requirement that was in the 2023 draft. Concerned that the preferred states study MAY never be completed, given the nearly five-year delay in completing this or didn't, there is a loss of trust. The council could instead restore
the bridge safe. Last language from the 2 cities, 2023 Merica draft. The language is an f a Mars letter and complies with state be 3 sustainable building regulations as speak to river's edge with which Fmr has supported 2018. We appreciate the county's commitment to very safe place at the site, as well as the creative design that creates a new public park stretching down to the river. We all share the same goal here. The ordinances proposed does not pose any conflict with this project. It is the best way for the city to thread the needle on meeting the dnr requirements for building heights, creating clear policy that allows almost all riverfront development by right without objective review front of flexible pathway for unique projects. Like river's
edge. Even if the numeric height limits in the ordinance are removed for the urban core Area, River's edge would not be able to comply with. The ordinance is requirement for tiered building heights, which again are required by the dnr River's edge will be taller than the buildings behind it. Given that the ordinance needs to include a straightforward to up path for exceptions, River's edge should have no difficulty meeting those criteria. If it delivers on the promise public realm. Eliminating that America high standards will not solve the river's edge hearing issue and to achieve that non result for one project, the rest of downtown market district would suffer under more of a policy that makes it harder for developers predict what would be allowed and reduces the city as leverage to hold all future projects on the
downtown riverfront to a high standard. Thank you. Thank you very much. To make sure to sign in will come up. you, 17 58 Hewitt Avenue. I am speaking for the Saint Paul Byrd Alliance. A billion birds die each year in the United States for windows strikes. Most all collisions are fatal. Even those birds who are stunned of appear stunned and come to and fly away. Usually die soon after from concussion, brain bleed and trauma. Why birds fly into windows. They can't recognize glass and the glass windows for highly glaze building laws as obstacles. They see the reflections and fly right through him full speed and hit the window head-on. We invite you today to stand up together. Force 3rd safe
measures in our community. We're blessed to live in the area of the Mississippi River flyway where over 325 species migrate nrth in the spring and south in the fall. Hosting these birds on their journey brings responsibilities to all of us. We need to preserve critical habitat. Up and down the river and and just like people, birds need clean water, clean air, green space, secure, resting place is safe. Transportation routes and birds safe building its. We're responsible to do what we can to make a building safer. Peretz. Minnesota law now requires for its a place and all new construction using state bond funding funds. Many cities across North America already hampered safe building
codes like Toronto. Madison, Wisconsin, Austin, Texas, New York City, Washington, D.C., many of our city problems do not have clear feasible solutions providing meaningful benefits to the city and to people. Bird collision. Problems have an easy solution. Put thurdsay features in our zoning and building codes on the back of this. That we passed out. Here is language to do that. Just that. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign and welcome up. And at this point I would invite anyone else who plans to testifying item to line up. Just we have a sense of who is remaining to testify. Today, Tom Dymond Highland Park. What I'd like to speak to is what the city is stand for for. We just had a veterans day here this
building as Statue of Peace. It soldiers died behalf having peace in this world. And this building the park with is along the river that he calls everybody to see the river. Buildings. There was developed before, but the city decided honor Kellogg Za Saint Paul. I who is also secretary of state for the U.S. help bring us the United Nations that you were only later, kid in the It was tractor. Anyways, this was a significant event in our history and very important all of our lives today. What is The plan for the park goes just west of Roberts are used to Robert
Street. 2, 7, says the plan to keep it open. To give speak to 2 specific because parts of this right across the street here. This was part prk. All as modest as it was grass and stuff right across the street here from And county came along and said we'd like to build a a jail there and said, okay, well, we'll will said no way know that Parkland times. And I have to ask you to say one more sentence and then close put a patio there. And now they want to take it over entirely for their development. This is also true were the for a rapid threes. While that doesn't go above there is to protect the views of a the the river. Thank you very much. I need you thank there. Thanks so much. And you can always submit like to further. Thank you.
Well, coming make sure to sign in. Hello City Council members. Thank you deeply for your service. I'm here to support the positions of the Saint Paul Byrd Alliance and Friends of the Mississippi in terms of restoring the JANUARY 20 3, 2023 language to the ordinance. Secondly, ice your name and where you're coming from. Stranger heaven's I ws. And then all presumptuous, believe me. I'm Jane Prince and I live in Ward 7 near Mount spared. So so first of all, I'd like to restore that amendment from 2023. Secondly. I have talked to some of you about pe these and vice that a study be done. And it was my and I did talk council PRESIDENT Maker yesterday about and we both said, well, years just simply
to line. But when it learned in the interim, is that a year is probably not long enough for the simple reason. You don't get an accurate for accounts. They have to be seasonal. So if you only do a 6 month study. Something that excludes seasons and migrations won't provide accurate Be aware. The other thing about it, I can't imagine who's going to do the study. You want somebody who's going to have the birds in mind, you're going want somebody that has development in mind. It's going to be very expensive. There's lot of stuff out there. Thirdly, and this is hope you don't think that this is a little too poignant, I was out at the vigils morning at Councilmember Coleman's word after your insight yesterday.
One terrible things were happening. It Prosus llc. So I was out there this morning and there were about 200 people that come to support each other. And we were in front of a mural. And the title of the mural. It's a child being carried by a parent and looking I fit sky. The title of it is if only I were heard. And me. Or just have a little cool who was hired by the creative Enterprise Zone. Said his work is about. Migration borders. Need protection too. And safe place is not a huge sacrifice for people who want to develop here. Thank you. Thank you. Colleagues. Make sure to sign Well, come up. Hello. My name is Adele Binning. I live at 8.12
Cherokee Avenue right across the high bridge. Kind I'm here in case I go to long. Let me say the messages. We have an opportunity to do this right and not have to redo it. And 20 twenty-three's wording was the right way to word this ordinance. I believe here too quick case studies McCormick place in Chicago. If you've been to Chicago, you MAY be familiar with that building in their downtown. On OCTOBER 5th 2023 1000 birds were killed by McCormick Place's windows. The following year after they retrofitted it big cost for retrofitting. 48 birds the whole year were killed by those windows McCormick Place. It clearly made a difference. And this is from the Cornell Universities, Macaulay Library and a lab of ornithology. This
is good data and I could provide it to you. Second case study, my daughter is was it's setting to be a landscape. Architect. She got the opportunity to work in Switzerland where cities have been around a long, long time longer than here. And I said, what are you working on? And she said that one working in Barron, which is about the same size. It's a bit larger than Saint Paul. I'm working on their green spaces. They have a river that runs through it just like Saint Paul does. And this is what she's saying. Just like the Saint Paul, is beautiful river. But the thing is that when they developed at hundreds of years ago and every year since. They realize that they have developed the nature out of it and the people want the nature back in it. So they're redoing the
whole city of Aaron's green spaces. To get to where we are right now. We can do it the right way or we can come in another 100 or 200 years and redo it completely. My professor always sid there's never enough time to do it right. The first time that there's always enough time to do it again. So I leave you with that. Let's do it right. The first time. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign in. And I think your last week or come That's for last. And Kathy Glover from Saint Paul and they've Selby Avenue. And I just want to say you guys do a really good job of listening and that's hard working on breaking a sweat. Working to take in testimony.
So thank you for that. I want support the work that the same property lines is done. And I also support. Going back to the language in JANUARY. That was that offers more protections for avian neighbors. It's hard to really put into words, I think people who work in the environmental. Field for a long time have tried to come up for with reasons. Why? Why should we protect animals? Commission's world? And some say, well, you know, that's plus for us. And some feel, joy, when they see them. And some feel a kinship and some feel wonder at the fact that these these birds are the ancestors that descendants of dinosaurs. But I don't think any of those really working because we still have to keep asking each other if living things
are important. So maybe the point is this. Do it because we can. And then we are mortal beings. At least we strive to and that there's something important. Acting like that. We might not think we need birds. But the most assuredly need us. I came here in the spring. And I offered to share with you that. The way through its perils going along river heading up north. Well, now they have I Now back having migrated back downtown here. And so time some good idea I'm gonna finish up with my with with the right way to inspire. Would say it MAY Thanks for this and I thank you so much. That was amazing. Make sure to sign in. All right. That brings us to the end of our public hearing on this at least for i
am going to well, first of all, I want to thank everyone for your testimony. This is obviously a complicated issue with a lot of lenses with which to look at it and well, I said earlier that all ordinances have 3 readings also said sometimes they have more because we want to take in what we've heard. Want to think about wether or not we want to propose amendments. We want to come back and if we have substantive amendments and then there will be another public hearing. So I will just preview coming attractions and say that I'm going to move to keep this public hearing open. This item over till DECEMBER 3rd for either final adoption or for the opportunity for folks to introduce amendments, depending on what they've heard today and what they're interested in doing also open it up. Sometimes it's a bit anti-climactic because people come to the public hearing and don't necessarily come for the
next vote. Although person courage you too. But to my colleagues, if anyone has any comments or any reactions to share. Well, folks are here. I also welcome discussion on the motion. Thanks, council Well, I really appreciate everybody who came and testified today. Really sounds like everybody came from key for something you're really passionate about for me personally. I am I really empathize with all the people who came and advocated. And support of restoring the birds. Safe class. Bird s-class language. I am and wondering if we have a staff member can answer some more questions about the study that's being proposed here to hear John, Thank you. Yeah, just curious. Like wasn't what is the reason why the study is the propose what are hoping to get out of thin. regarding where to the
study. Voice activated projector. Yep. Given moment. Well, anyway, so there's a a lot of questions that came up we had aid class 2023. Ordinance. And so these are questions that we're trying to answer with another study. So what are the costs of locations of mandate for its a What geographic areas would benefit most? Is owning most appropriate regulatory tool. I would. These requirements interact with historic district guidelines. Could other alternatives are standards, compliment breaks a glass and then very importantly. Is the draft provision legal of its current form. Thank you. And do you have an idea of maybe, you know, but obviously there isn't an rfp that has gone out for yet, but who would be leading the study for this will be the
staff will be the study in the It's been assigned to my colleague, no ok? Opening scene here is that it's a one-year study, except we did testimony from former council member Jane Prince by hollow. When your study wouldn't enough times that you have response to Sure. I mean, we can try to go faster. But the big issue with the timelines are notice requirements so we have to know this public hearings and let at months on to don't provision so that's something that we can change just built into the law. We have to notice public hearings mind, some time. And in our city right now, we do we not do we currently not have any language around at the birds safe? We we we do thurdsay class requirement is a part the b 3 code which is the state code.
So if development projects take state bonding money, they'll need to do safe place. But there's nothing at the local level. Also add that none of the other communities that we're required to do adverts. A class provisions is a part of their mark ordinances. The only other city in the state as Burt Safe place to as Minneapolis. But they just apply to their Skyway. Is it not development as a whole? ok, thank you. Yeah, I just want to be really frank, ensuring that when I hear about the one-year study t me, it just seems like it. It was going to be too long of a as was listening to the testimonies earlier, I just I had like this recollection that I actually have seen of her to crash into a window before was having lunch with
my my family and we are at a Panera. And all of a sudden there was this loud sound and it's not only to be late Im. Pretty sure it was very traumatizing for the bird. It and I don't know that they needed, but also is really terrifying for me and all people who were at the restaurant to an I think there's like this moment ok, like you process what happened and then afterward, that's I even think about what do you it in the aftermath of that to an actually didn't have the answer at the time. I reached out Jenna who is expert. And in animal and to and it was really helpful, you know, to know that what the next steps or so. I think that, you know, for me like just thinking about I it just it is going to be out how important it is for us to be moving in a direction where we do adopt this type of language. I would definitely be thinking some more about this. Thanks for staying ad actually MR. Johnson lawyer, you're up
here. One question one comment with the study. Apply beyond. You mention Minneapolis has in place requirements. It sky ways which obviously don't only exist within the burqa area. With this study looked at for Class b on potential So if we do it outside that we have the ability to create. Whatever boundaries are geographic restrictions, we think make sense whereas adopting Amendment with America. It applies in just the mercury up. So most downtown where there's a lot of glass, wouldn't have this requirement. Other areas where birds a place like might make sense, wouldn't have this requirement. So that ties us to them job her Thank you. And coming I want to make a is Johnson. I think what we all heard
here today is distrust being expressed about study and I think we really need to think about what that means because normally when we initiate a study that's showing that's progress toward something, we initiate a study of her of rt zoning districts, and that means we're going to change our 2 zoning districts. And in this case were initiating study and that's being met with distrust and concern. And I think that that has to do with how this process has unfolded to this point. But I think we have to and it has taken far too long and not just MR. Johnson, not about you. I'm I'm I'm owning this. And so I think as we do that, the study has been initiated by the planning Commission. All right. So it is underway. I think that we maybe need to think about is the appropriate time for that study. And also
regardless of the endpoint appropriate checkpoints along the way and and benchmarks. So that. Things don't just drop into a black box. And the community is wondering what happened and it takes far longer than it should. But that were really bing transparent and holding ourselves accountable for that because I think the study is a good thing. I think getting more information about policies before we adopt them is a GOD thing. But what I'm hearing is that that's that seems like it is a delay tactic or some sort of a few station. And that's concerning to me. And I think we need to do everything we can to fight to fight that. So I say that only what you're hearing, MR. Got some because I think it's to have a question for you. That is again, not directed at you. It's Well, thank you, MR. Cent for being able also here kind of provide some clarity. I was reflecting to from the public hearing comments in from all the entities, including the county. And I was also wondering just if you
could talk a little bit about the high that's something that came multiple times as the differences around the hate changes around the language that was proposed to Commission Plan Commission or so which changes from 2023 as well. But particular, around the height something that have flagged as well to to me and in our office from a county commissioner. I just wanted to touch on that piece and then also here, kind of like. The Russian of filling, which is present it. Yes, So zoning provision that you have before you. In terms of you see this trick, what's that? A 35 foot height limit at the river's edge. And then you could increase, 5 or one foot for every 5 feet that you step back from the river. So to get to a high that would match the
bluff. What you do this line, you have to send it back this far to get to a place where it be 100 feet. You need to get this far. Et cetera, all the way back to the end of the district. And so with the scale of the river's edge project, essentially, if we were to do. Provision that says before you they would likely need a conditional use permit to exceed the metal pipes. But under the state marker rules, we have the ability to just use the underlying zoning and downtown Saint Paul is the height limit. And so that's what folks the county and others are advocating for in terms change. And that his follow-up, just to clarify. Language that's been vetted now is the conditional use permit thing
which or is it a language to mirror that of what? So so the way the language is now, sorry, I don't have in front of me, but it's basically. It Yeah, it would allow you to increase heights. One foot for every 5 feet from the river. But then if you wanted to go over that you could get a conditional use permit. And that's how it is kind of. Either way. But in the tax that tey're advocating for, you wouldn't need a conditional use permit that it. Default to the to the Heights and downtown the maximum limit. makes And the Nuggets have followed that separate conversations. Just wanted to make sure come out the other piece around the birds safe place and to the peace of the study. I think. I actually kind of heard a little bit more of an interest for Morse,
more of a longer study. So kind enough of the few back to that we're receiving in that regard. I am wondering the current projected timeline for that that has been commissioned is for a year. Yeah, I think it'll take about a year. That's typically what it takes. And again, a lot of that is just waiting because and notice Saint Paul. We have 2 public hearings. So one of the planning commission city Council and we have to legally notice those in the certain way. And so that ads months on to the study timeline. But it takes us a couple months to do the research to be able answer these questions and provide us with that information. In this that like so regard, is that just to bring So if the findings are guys that say that they're in the
year? They're currently done internally. The feedback is provided as to what the intent of adjusting the according to the later date or but think. Yes, I'm just wondering what is the findings? But a little purpose of the findings do and like what? Sure. Yeah. So that there can be adjustments they're often is. So this, for example, changes along the way so that the planning commission, we held a public hearing. We made changes and bring it to you and there MAY be changes. So. You know, things adjust and change along the way with any That different public hearing times. And just press follow-up around yes, but have a news we're going to take over the next year. Then 4. Ensuring that what is happening in Turley is conveyed out
externally to community. When we do that, we do have an external process are under study rfp year from a public. There's multiple is lot of pressure is on and not only the vendor that Condit or with to ensure that communities right aong side and many ways that, you know, we have several since that happened with the city. This would be an internal. How does that how like? Also think it's are you setting up to ensure that that is the same? Yeah, I mean, we can try to do communication on the website the stuff out to U.S.. You know, we're happy to work with you guys external communication as Go through the study. I have. I will follow separately. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's if you have other talents.
watched it all. Padres planning manager so 19, Do a study just want to the more detail refining the scope right now since just in the shade But we have be share that with the city Council to get your comment it outreach process. I would also recommend just have a lot of folks in the room have a lot of knowledge expertise on this topic no pd staff are generalists and ally and partner. So it sounds like there's a lot of a lot of resources to draw encourage you to do that, especially to the extent that it. Either makes the study more efficient or more effective. Ticket. Thank you. All right. Any other comments for now knowing that we will be coming back this time? Not seeing any. All right. So with that, the motion is to continue the
public hearing matter until DECEMBER 3rd, all in favor say Aye. Aye, all posts. 7 in favor. Nne opposed to public hearings continued to DECEMBER 3rd for final adoption item number. 27 is ordinance. 25 dash 77 amending section 2.20, Point '05 of the legislative code to set rates for base level garbage service to be effective. JANUARY first 2026. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. I'll take motion from is common to close the public hearing and approve all paper. This witness and this start to close the public hearing and matter over to the summit Thank you All in favor say Aye. 7 in favor not oppose. The public hearing is closed and the ordinance is laid over to DECEMBER 3rd for final adoption item number. 28 is
resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 32 amending the city's Capital Improvement budget, an operating budget to correct a bond proceed transfer Firfighters cardiac monitors. This is a public hearing. Is anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. Take motion from his just to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. A post 7 in favor not oppose. The resolution is adopted item number. 29, its resolution public hearing. 25 Dash 5 dash 2.50. Amending the fnancing and spending plan in the Department of Parks and Recreation in the amount of $195,000. 500. 195. $1597.33. To utilize Parkland education funds for the Taylor Park Improvements project. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? I'll take motion for Mis Johnson to close the public
hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. Opposed 7 in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted. And number 30's resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 51. Amending budgets for the energy projects financed through the Five-million-dollar Green Energy Program. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here? Speak on the side. Seeing none. We'll take a motion for vice PRESIDENT Came to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say that post 7 in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted item number. 31, resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 56 authorizing the city through its fire department to amend a joint powers agreement with the state of Minnesota through its state Fire Marshal Division to provide a hazardous materials response
team and to amend the 2025 financing. And spending plans for the fire department in the amount of $360,000. The suspense was killing This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on the side? Seeing none. I'll take a motion for just to close public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. I'll post 7 in favor not oppose. The resolution is adopted. I'll take motion from gang to suspend the rules all in favor say Aye. Aye opposed 7 in favor, not oppose. The rules are suspended. Sr 25 dash 2.60, is the Port Authority's 2026 budget presentation. We sorry that we were not able to include the Port Authority in our normal budget calendar. But I'm really glad that we're able to work together between our budget chair and vice chair myself to make sure they
have some time to hear from a very important partner. That does not mean that the other partners that we are not hearing from are not important. Welcome, MR. We look forward to hearing your 10 minute presentation 10 minutes several times today doesn't 10 minutes. I've got point that we're getting ready But on the screen, but in the meantime, I would like just to take the opportunity to say called PRESIDENT MAY to the City Council for welcoming us to be up city council meeting today. Again, I am Todd Gurley and the PRESIDENT And ceo of the Port authority I brought with me today. The Fossum finance members, finance team members from the Port Authority of GOD or cfo. Mike Solomon, senior vice PRESIDENT Of finance Holly Houston and a chief development officer, Christine Williams here today. Cases are questions that I can't answer. All start while of trying to
get the power point up. But by introduction, this APRIL Port authority is proud to be an economic development partner in the city of Saint Paul and in the state of Minnesota who work in 3 primary areas. One we redevelop underused land the city of Saint Paul for the purpose of creating jobs and tax base. Secondly, we work throughout the state of Minnesota and the city of Saint Paul. With to provide financing tools for energy efficiency projects throughout the state. And 3rd, we managed to Saint Paul Harbor. We will eventually figure out a password. Pass now have very long pass second side is talking about really talking about our connection to the city of Saint Paul. I know the council is aware of our connection. We are a partner with the city of Saint Paul. We are an economic development formed by state law in 1929. I report to a board over the
Saint Paul Port Authority. That board selected by the mayor but approved by the City council and all of that. There are 7 members of that board. 2 of those members are city council members. Currently our culture. Our board members are council PRESIDENT Maker and Councilmember Johnson. However, in DECEMBER, we will switch back to council PRESIDENT Maker and Councilmember Yanks. So again, they've heard me talk about the Port authority several times in our our monthly but board meetings. So they the up first slide that I have in front of you today is just really showing you the the the makeup of the Port Authority team. So the simple port authority we are, we are small team. We have 20 employees at the Saint Paul Port Authority. You can see the lines of
business on this slide in finance and operations. We have a 0.5 Ft in the development office. We have 6 Ft ease our general counsel makes up 2 and a half ft ease and our our communications and external affairs as a total of 3 ft ease. And again, purpose of that is just let the city council know again about makeup of the Saint Paul Port Authority as a result as it relates to the work that we do in the city of Saint Paul. I mentioned earlier that we are the heart the safe Harbor manager and up on the screen. I a map of the - barge terminals at Saint Paul Port Authority manages. You can see by the map. We 4 terminals on the Mississippi
River and by the numbers. These these terminals manage 5 to 8 million tons of commodities annually running to and from the city of Saint Paul from throughout the state of Minnesota to the rest of the world. Again, we an economic engine not just in Saint Paul, but threw in Minnesota and throughout the rest of the world. We manage over 500 acres down on te river with 21 tenants providing over 700 jobs in Saint Paul and 2.3 million dollars in annual property tax. Revenge. Just couple projects that are going on down on the river and again, so on barge terminal one. And some of you MAY have saw if you joined us on the harbor to her, we have 2 projects going on currently
down on barge criminal. One. The first one is a barge receiving system. Is 8 million dollar project. The second one is the materials storage and transfer system over at MARCH. 21 and that is a 10 million dollar project. Something important to know about these projects also is that these are not city of Saint Paul dollars that are used to fund these projects. She's earned partnership with the state with the federal government and also with our private tenants on the river, again, providing jobs and tax based on the river on barge terminal to have a mar project going on across the river here. And that is the da Call rehabilitation and the first responders boat ramp bg project for in Saint Paul in order to get on the river for any type emergency at a goat
on wild west. The marina dwn the river and here now will have one right here in downtown Saint Paul. Again, that's a 17 million Dollar project funded by our partners and not the city of Saint Paul Saint Paul Port Authority. And finally, another project we have going on that were overseeing and managing is just on the South Port terminal. And that is the great separation study. There are some traffic situations that we're trying to work through. We were received AUGUST $800,000 Grant from the federal government in order to study this to find solutions to the train and road crossing stone on support and there's a lot of work ahead of us including the community engagement that we are now beginning. We talk the being developer of of underutilized land in Saint Paul. This map in front o the stopped in front of the city council talks about the ports business
centers. Right now we are at 24 business centers in the city of Saint Paul and counting. All say when you look at the numbers on these fees are over 1000 acres of redevelop, the land in the city of Saint Paul over 500 businesses and Saint Paul live in these. Been centers over 22,000 jobs in 38 million dollars in property taxes are generated from these business centers. The side of having for you for that for the expediency of time. Every one of these projects are current projects that we're working on at the at at the Saint Paul Port Authority. Each one of these is a separate presentation talking about these projects, but at a very high level things that we are currently working on. We're working on a project that's Angels Fairview site here in downtown Saint Paul. I've got more work to do with the Saint Paul Port Authority Board and actions that probably happen
in DECEMBER will back to the city Council to discuss that more became a project, a big project that is years and years in the making. My former role as cfo, city of Saint Paul 8 years ago. This was a project we had been talking about and happy to say it's here now and we are right now working Kmart. We talk about them in page program. That is our energy efficiency program. We have several 100 loans out in the state of Minnesota, creating energy efficiency projects in Saint Paul and throughout the state of Minnesota. I'd be remiss to not mention the Heights. The Heights is our biggest redevelopment in the city of Saint Paul 112 acres on the east side. We are well on under way. And that project with the goal of delivering 1000 jobs in 1000 housing units to the city of Saint Paul on the side. Another project, the sandbox you MAY be familiar with the sandbox. This is up a piece of port Authority land just north of
the capital. We were fortunate to be unfortunate opportunity ready situation to partner with the 40 local forty-niners a labor union in city of Saint Paul School district create a sand bought sandbox project high school kids in the city of Saint Paul. Learn through their curriculum in their high schools to be heavy equipment, operators and great. Great job. Great future for them and their families. Another project we're working on recently awarded a million dollars to the state of Minnesota in the legislation last year, which is called the Court grant program. This is a million dollar program in which we're going to make small business grants to up businesses within the capital region area. This is something presenting next Tuesday to our board and rolling it out in
JANUARY of next year. One of the project on here is Treasure Island Centre in downtown Saint Paul. Again, Saint Paul Port Authority is the majority owner. And we are also managing partner of the joint venture for Treasure Island and Saint Paul. One final slide that I'll talk before I get to our budget is again, art really in asking how many to city Council and Todd King for additional funds in our operating Levy. As us to continue to pup opportunity ready in Saint Paul. We know there are needs in Saint Paul. We know there are needs on race street. You know, there are downtown. We know there are needs on the side and we know there are needs on the midway and I'd like to make sure that the safe Port Authority is ready to assist the when and if and when we can. And that comes with a small increase our operating levy. Our budget. So our proposed budget and again, this has not been in front of the Shape of Port Authority
board yet. This will be here next Tuesday, but at a very high level, our operating budget is 7.5 million dollars. Our revenue sources in there are really just 2 money. I have property taxes and we have income that we can operate in the port authority. And that's around our development fees are fiscal and administrative fees, interest on loans. We make interest on investments. We make and anyway and rentals that we can get. Our expenses are largely personnel. Their people. And there are professional services. In addition to money that we use in in the on the development team as we go all to try and work property owners to acquire property, to do and things like that really, this
slide is just meant to show out of a 7 and a half million dollars. Only 3.30%, of that is provided through the up the property tax Lvy in the city of Saint Paul. A little bit of all the property tax levies in our in the Port Authority. This slide talks about 3 levels. We happy with general obligation, levy and that is for debt service at the Saint. Paul Port Authority is isued. That is for projects like Beacon Bluff, Hillcrest, the eap project that we partnered with the city on a few years ago. And Kmart looking again to hopefully at some point reestablish that. So we can continue to be opportunity ready. The mandatory levees really hear what I'm here to asking for assistance today. We are looking for a 2 and a
half million are $250,000 increase in our mandatory levy. This is the levy to help support our operations. And then $105,000 discretionary Levy. One thing I would mention about the mandatory levy, the mandatory levy is authorized to state law and we have that opportunity to call up 2.0 1, 8, 1, 3%, of that, which would be our capacity, which is similar to how the jury operates their levee. And in this light, I talk about the history of our mandatory levy. If we were going to that full capacity, you can see that we would be nearly 7 million dollars operating levy. We right now are really at 3 million dollars. There's a lot there is capacity there. We're not asking for that capacity just to $250,000
increase. How do we pay for that? So I want to add this slide and really just talk about this. I know that the city council is aware of certifications of a tiff district at the Saint Paul Port Authority. And just to put kind of in summary, we had to to port authority tif districts that to certify the first one was Williams Hill. And I just put before and after pictures on your so you can see the success of Williams Hill, which was detected from a district to certified in 2023. And then the Westminster Tipp District to certified actually Port Authority. Port Authority. Resolutions passed to decertify the district last month. So this district will be no to certify it. The certified by the end of the year. What this
will do in addition to the unbelievable success of creating jobs ad catch basin shape on these 2 districts. When everything is said and done and we return funds to Ramsey County here. Bth from William Hill and again, Williams Hill because it was 2023. We needed to keep some of the funds on hand for any pending petitions pending petitions have not been closed. And then the Westminster money. So return that money and of that money right now. And we have communicated with council staff $932,000 will be will be available to the city of Saint Paul in Twenty-twenty. 6 was not a number we knew about during the mayor's proposed budget of this is new information to the city Council during the cultural process and our request is to utilize some of that money to help us with our operating levy and then all also what's happening,
too, is a return of tax base that is actually equal to generating 1.5 million dollars in property taxes again, another. Good thing for the city of Saint Paul. And I'm what I'm hopeful is help to support the city Saint Paul's Port Authority as we continue to try to work in partnership with the city to create jobs tax base and Saint Paul. Was that 10 minutes while the I started really thank you so Questions for MR. It seems thanks. Tells the PRESIDENT Will present here. They want to say thank you for your time today and really cleotha. able get you into schedule. So thank you to all the council members for your support and bringing the port under suspension. MAY I just can't say enough about how amazing I am at the work at the port. You all are us fall but really might be team in a
really love how you You described the port as being an economic engine because you really are that for the city? I am sure this morning that I am supportive of the $250,000 increase to the port. I know that you're proposing for that to come from the the excess into a fit in it would be remiss of me to not mention that, you know, you all are already bringing going to be bringing more dollars that expand our tax base. Those are ongoing dollars. And know that it's an ongoing expense that you are proposing, but that that you all are in a unique position where you are expanding that tax base for us and a lot of the things the other amendments on our table that that is under consideration by the council members. Some of those things, you know, that don't necessarily expand our tax
base, but there are things that we want to make an investment in because we care for the city and for the residents inside just why to really highlight that. And I really believe that an investment like this is really where our residents to want the council to be putting a dollar. So thank you for your work. Thank you, MISS And Yeah. Handle thoughts. His constant ringing in the sense that one really excited that we were able to get this put through even if it's a nurse which item of the council meeting, it's great to be able to hear directly from the port. I know I kind of we touched on this a little earlier, but just so folks are can you just share? The last Because I there's been some sort of increase in the Paul Port Authority City allocation. There's us call told PRESIDENT Maker Councilmember Johnson the slide that I can
bring back here shows the actual mandatory levy from the Saint Paul Port Authority dating back to 2008. So you can see from 2008 essentially through 2021, the levee for the Shape of Port Authority was either flat or decreased. And back in 2022, moving forward through tools like the certification of districts and working with the city council and the mayor. We have been able to get very minor increases around 100 or $125,000 trying to assist us with keeping up inflation and trying to help us keep up with the cost our services that incur. So you can see that we we've had minor increases, but the proposal in front of u today is really what I'd been proposing is to help us with
our inflationary costs and to add a project manager in the development because we have been stagnant at the number of employees first for. Longer than I've been at the state which is now 7 years. Begin really. And I think just that that know in addition to building a tax this revenue source coming to a city is coming to a city because of the work of Saint Paul Port Authority in this a certification process. And there are other amendments throughout the city budget. We've done that the same fee and as a result giving it back to the department that is bringing in that work in this is kind of an example of like at work. Feel like it's a comparison to be made, but I do appreciate the chance to hear from you and this body unable to see the presentations and hear from from moving around requests actual parties themselves. But it does raise a peace to consider. So just want you to
know that we He clearly have piece of the members of the port purpose and see need for it and are certainly considering it. So thank you. Any final comments or questions. And there was we will continue to discuss this during our budget process. I echo my colleagues, thanks and I especially appreciate before. And after slide showing the effect of judiciously apply tax increment financing. All right. Thanks, MR. Hurley, thank you. But that brings us to our legislative hearing agenda. This moment. Legislative hearing consent agenda items. 32 through 45 or before you for your consideration. As agent said, getting our. together. And so PRESIDENT Make council members. I ask that follow item number. 35 from the agenda to be better.
Item number. 35 is our Ali Hrr. 25 Dash ordering the rehabilitation or raising in removal of the structures at Four-thirty Dale Street North within 15 days after the OCTOBER 22nd 2025 City Council public hearing as far months. Council PRESIDENT Council members, is a building. I have it up on screen right On Dale Close to university. It is kind parallel situation to a case. You heard a couple of weeks ago. cbs at Fort 99, snowing so kind of different cross streets for university, but still in that corridor. In of 2023, there was a fire at the property. The property was condemned. The certificate was revoked. And it entered the vacant building program 2 and a half
years ago. The insurance company has Reportedly very difficult to work with during this time period in order to release funds to repair the building. However, in the past 2 and half years, this building has become a deepening problem for the city and the community and proximity to it. And as you know, what I bring to council is always. The statement that fire damage, structures or worse and other kinds of structures and the impact that they have on their neighbors. That is a particularly deep cut to a neighborhood to see a structure continue on for this length of time in a charred condition. It is the ultimate show of disinvestment an area. Conditions here include not
only that, the building is significantly fire damage, but also that there are other new says conditions present the property maintenance has been poor to non-existent by the owners. There have been 18 work orders, including ones that went through during the legislative hearing process. I have 3 legislative hearings and the last 6 weeks on this property. With respect to maintenance, camp for United Methodist does report that its crews go and clean the property when they go to clean their own So the situation is more. Dire even what the city work orders would have treat. So there's the nuisance conditions that the orders need to be written for. And I want to say that that includes things from boarding and
someone, but it also includes, you know. The fact that needles and human waste need to be cleaned up at the site and that those behaviors which are reflected. In alarge number of police calls, I believe there And 24 after the 23 after the fire, there were about a dozen calls. There 2 dozen calls in 35 calls so far this year for that structure and bringing police out. Family with those police calls with the need to undertake all that action even with. The neighbors working, it continues to be a light. And I would say when there's that much work that needs to be done. It is evidence of abandonment by the property owner. Indeed, we started the hearing process. Property
taxes had not paid for the previous year. They were paid during the hearing process. Other things. I do not have a performance deposit on record. There is no application for an inspection on this property. There could have been or could still be. Plans developed by an architect to come basically got the space and completely build it out again. Not do just simple code. Corrections. None of those things, however, have been forthcoming during the hearing process. Couples with inability or unwillingness of the owners to take action over the 2 and a half years lack of participation and doing things that need to be done at this point. I would say that the prospect for for managing substantial new says the council is reviewing is not a what I would hope that it
would be. I understand that the owners are present that their U.S. Neighborhood representation as well. Those present. And I can stand for questions now or after testimony. Thanks this moment. Are there any questions before we have the really thank you. Council PRESIDENT Thank you so much. Carmen, I do have questions. I do want to say do appreciate that. They're just kind of review. You know, understanding that you know, where every viewing this through that the ordinance. So it's very limited in its scope. I my question, particularly was on the ordinances says it's within 15 days after OCTOBER 22nd. We're well over that timeframe. Can you explain some of the justification behind the extension? The title of the resolution that's in front of you. Is the title that have the first time
it was in front of you. The city clerk does not change the titles of resolutions once they have been published. And so it will continue to reflect that, however, wthin the resolution indicates that it becomes effective on the day of you know, adoption and signature from the mayor. So that is the day from which the 15 day counts calm. So in all likelihood for these, I would say 15 days Friday. And that would become to with they want as Friday or they want as Monday. Thank you. My follow-up question. If yu can explain just kind of what are the options that the owners have and particularly, you know, this is not a residential
vacant program are vacant building program. it being a a. I don't know if its commercial considered commercial, but what are the options, particularly? I'm just asking if there is awareness around the options, too. Well, we know for sure there is that the option and the requirement to rehabilitate, but is their option to actually sell and it had that been conveyed to the owner. Yes, the options always with these come forward to you would be the option for removal and that would be done by the owner. It could be that it's rehabilitated. Or in either case removed or demolished. Personal can transfer to another owner. This is a commercial property. So there are no restrictions on as they would be if it were
a residential property. And can use a council through in the situation that there is a transfer of owner. It was still the conditions and everything was still remain with that. Give any possibility for extension are with the new owner. There is more. I guess, wiggle room flexibility. I'm just curious. The order the counsel issue attaches to the property, not to the owner themselves so that when you're doing an abatement notice just the property, regardless of who owns a city order would carry forward. Thank you. Special thanks, mostly appreciate the questions. Especially since folks who are listening contention who don't know the mechanics of this it's it's really helpful to thank you. Alright, with that, open up.
The public hearing will give 5 minutes to the owner of property. And then anyone else who's here to testify on the matter 2 minutes. So we'll invite the property owners up Please remember to start with your name and where you're coming from. And then you'll have 5 minutes total. Everyone who is representing the property should plan to be part of that 5 minutes. My name is Ahmed PRESIDENT Of the Islamic Center. Thank you for this opportunity. This Center for that. He do down. The street was vandalized and burned it down in the spring of 2020 straight. was a hate terrorism has a domestic terrorism. That. The pursuit for the damage from our insurance lead us.
Entanglements wth patients company. It has dry at all the way on to now. And the community has and was and in the future to have no indication 2 sale, that pace and because has been, in pushing us and upgrade and use it because it's it's a story custody case. Show runs on outlaw. Yes, because of insurance litigation advised which will send also too the city nothing to do with this onto these litigation is settled because it will have to a on the outcome. So we have trying to wait for that said I've told which our first step is to. They don't face an upgrade and make use of that case which has been didn't mind from the community on the way. I as a PRESIDENT We have toy 80's. To this and give us
a Litigation is finalized, which I'm sure it's in the process, but I don't know time. That's why I ask for the community. Anyone else from the property 3 minutes left to fund House wants to testify. My name is a world be I the. Board secretary of tight Islamic Center. And I'm here both community members, someone who cares deeply about the neighbor neighborhood. Even though it's currently operating from another location, building remains incredibly important to our congregation. It was our home, a place of prayer activities and community gatherings. After that acts will more than a stretcher or it will central space that kept from these connected. I wanted to make this we have vindication for restoring building. We have
never walked away from However, after the incident where legally prohibited from making a re first due to the ongoing insurance litigation. All right, Tony, specifically instructed us not to take the building and took the case. The this process has been low and frustrating, but it, but it is not something we initiated or kind of speed up. Community had always taken pride in being good neighborhood. We have cared for this area for many years. But that act in vehicle restrictions that followed. Place us in a very difficult at times. It has felt like a process overlooked. The reality that we are the
victims the crime trying within a strict legal limits. It has been painful to her discussions that sadistic and dissenter away from us. Building represents the sacrifices of her hard working families will contribute it. What they could. So their children always have face for being 2 below. All we're asking for is fairness, transparency and opportunity to move forward. Once the legal constraints a result, we're also requested for resources such as Lord to facilitate the rebuilding process. We're remain committed to this neighborhood and hope the city will stand with us and not against us as we work to rebuild this issue community space. Thank you.
Thank you. And we still have. 49 seconds left from from property owners and then - community members can have 2 minutes. So after this. Community members, okay. All We welcome a community members them to testify will have 2 minutes start with your name and where you're coming from. do it all with care and director community safety with care. So he center was a target of a domestic terrorist attack. Since that moment, the Senate has received almost no support from the neighborhood from the state city. The mayor visited once, but the governor refused our healing of Andrew. Almost no one outside the Muslim community. Yeah, we continue serving one of them in one of Minnesota's pours neighborhoods. With 75% of
residents live below the poverty line. We're what institution community Lifeline. Space, several financial limits and ongoing insurance case. We did not choose. We have continued paying taxes, fees and bills. I turn explicitly advises not to disturb the building while the plane is in litigation, which goes to trial in DECEMBER, demolition now would destroy legal position, undermine our ability to be built. We asked the city not to use then use laws in a way homes of minority religious community still healing from I hate motivated attack for the city to demolish a building before the court results and issue would the dup honest the victim, not the perpetrator. Request that the council table demolition until the trial concludes and we can move forward. Possibly thank you to thank you very much. To make sure to sign in. Well, come
up. Hello Council. Thank you for your tie. My name is Malik Davis. And in the safe 20 plus years here, speaking from perspective as an investor business owner. Would be a shame you guys to make a decision to demolish this building before the insurance claim process goes through. Imagine making a decision and then insurance comes to to pay for the repairs of a building that's no longer there. That would be a change. Had different spanned. I was gonna take all. Counter with lady started with. 24 call to the police department. Fire department. I've made more than 24 cost of the building that I all. And run a business out human feces outside my building currently occupy. We're talking about 24 cost of building this vacant. It's not that bad in my eyes. What is
that is area that they ran as University Snow in that corridor was horrific. Note about problem that our library and and our war. Let's cities concerted push to change that area. Traffic saw the blight gone. We talk about a building that's burnt. Be an eyesore to the building. Just my humble opinion that that building is no more of an eyesore. Library? Yes, it's a university close Lexington that's been sitting there for over a decade. Same boarded-up building, same vandalism just doesn't have the fire. So the whole civilian to a higher standard represent as a city sends the wrong message my eyes to potential investors and business owners that are looking to do business. So business made an investment
$750,000 to buy a building. Plus whatever the head to outfit. Our response is a city. He's got a fast track, the demolition, a community that's come here from wherever they came and say that near no longer. Welcome to be here. And we're going to fast track to demolish of your building before the insurance process plays out. I encourage you table it to the spring and summer. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign in and welcome up. And anyone else is here to testify on this item. Please line up at this time. So we know you're here. Thank you to our students from Saint Paul Academy of appreciate you for being here today. Any doubt, Xander. And I'm a member of Camper Memorial United Methodist Church, the church that is directly east of this property that was
speaking on. And it myself and many other members of that church who have done a lot of work in trying to keep. Sides of the property together. Picking up the trash by making sure that the needles and the foil and all of that is taken out of there. That has not been done by the owners. We have been working on this building since 2023. Ourselves. This isn't some company. We don't hire somebody to do all this trash and feces and all that. And - that's stuff that I just don't like to do. That's what we have to do and what might not know is that the just what a north south of the property is both a head start center and a regular day care. And ten all of the other businesses around there, the library and whatnot. And we are all impact
it by this. And I'm very disappointed that there had been any work granted, maybe there you're not able to. We have a building, but there's nothing that stops people from keeping it keeping the grass and and and that reason that we everything all the every other things out of there. There's nothing that step prevents that from occurring. And so even though we would hoped to it, too, see progress on this. It hasn't happened since 2023 in any way. And at this point we support. The raising and remove all of the property. So that Dan, we can at least function as a church without functioning as the as the trash removal company just trying to keep our, you know, properties and everything around there and the community suffering from it. It attracted anybody and everybody. All we all know that. So it's been tough for
us to keep I together. And we have separated we have ended up with broken windows and maritime something else. Thank you very much for testimony. Make sure to sign in. Come on that. Your turn. council members, my name is Michael right. Lifelong resident of Rondo. Ralston after the area I drive that by the space quite Frequent out coffee shop favorite cafe in the area. And have quite a bit going on there. It seems like, you know, our community becomes a crack in the wall. And the water finds its way to the resistant and we have to speak up more about it. It's tough and about as fr as I'm concerned, dealt with terrorism 67 years old and that's my community. Know
what's called me out of And so just to reiterate to of the time that been To get this under control, at least 2, do your part and keeping it up and have the pride and respect of our community. And so I just want to speak on that. I'm not against anybody, but that is my community. I want to see it. Not so blighted and want to see the area turn around. And it has also investor. The community, a business person other things. Just want to see it. Go. He brought up in a positive Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. And make sure to sign in. All Last Testifier will come up. My name is and Cindy executive care, Minnesota. Here in support of the Islamic
Center. Minnesota unfortunate leads the nation in attacks against mosques. 40 plus the last 4 years. Last year alone, 16 separate incidents that have happened in 2020 for the next 8 to us was California with 5. When told he must was attacked. I was there nearly an hour after I was invited. I came and within a matter of hour and a half, we actually were able to identify who committed it. And later that day. Simple police department acted quickly was able to apprehend individual who told the Saint Paul Police Department that he was planning to attack the neighboring church and a as well. So we have avoided a mask. Arsonists because of the quick actions of our team as well the mosque. But the reason why we're here today is the oldest story that impacts people of color, systemic crisis. In this case. We have. A center that actually has insurance. They had a plan
before it was blight was community center. There's a place for children came. It's a mosque, a place people felt safe before he was a ban for the last 2 years in this fight was a place that I think most residents in the neighborhood could be proud today. It's not because of the fact of the slim build. Unfortunately, instead of this community feeling a sense of support and empathy. We did not see that. I mentioned earlier, misstep mission early govern world's than visit any of the last minute act. We haven't seen most people even come support. That's the reality. The difference is if this was a church, they would have the resources they would have the lawyers and the insurance company would act a lot different. But here we have an opportunity to support this
community and recognize yes, there are rules in the books. We do not want any black building stting around and not serving the community. Nobody wants that. In fact, the communities that suffer the most are the ones with the least amount of space, including this community. Where we ask you for you to table the matter and give this community a chance to resolve this issue. And yes, there are other issues we're going to meet with the church and others and making sure that the neighborhood is interested, that there's going to be support around the building. But and they cannot do anything with Thank you very much. The Senate. All right. I wasn't as we close the public hearing all in favor say Aye. Post 7 in favor not oppose. The public hearing is closed. And before I turn things over to MISS Billy, I just want to thank everyone for your testimony. I want apologize for what happened to you phobia has no
place in our community. And then after act of hatred, regardless of what we talk about here is completely wrong and unacceptable. So just want you to know that from all of us. Of tomorrow and a matter that is in front of us Thank you so much council PRESIDENT And I just wanted to say I was just tremendously appreciate everyone taking time out there, day to come here and testify. also just demonstrate the deep care for this intersection and for now is community. But also just for the people who have made this community. So by Fran and still safe, I also just want to share, you know, to my colleagues, you have all have heard from me talk about the challenges and the issues and public safety risk at Delhi University intersection and
have heard, you know me loud and clear advocate for a necessary investments on these 4 corners. The 4 corners isn't just like the actual physical space, but is also making sure investing in the people and these community organizations that have done so much. We heard here today that we have people who are good neighbors, right and a place there was a terrorist attack. We have a church, a neighboring church that we're good neighbors continuing t make sure that they have up keep I a situation when, you know, the members really have to find a relocation of permanent relocation. Also want mention that this faces the same problems that are on the library faces yet they don't have the same privileges resources. Our agency. We heard that earlier tday and I
think it would be very disingenuous for us to say that the reasons for the illegal behavior and please costs olivas on owners. We know this is a systematic problem that this neighborhood has been faced with for some years. And the members of this mosque are truly victims of a hate crime during a tme where masks attacked across the state. And it's important to acknowledge that true. It's also important to acknowledge that, you know, I had a chance to to be there and the and and with many of the members. And, you know, the testimony that was given today, Israeli ballot, there there was a huge coming together of local leaders. But then you didn't
really see that consistency but also I want to be really, really. Straight for that. What I'm going to walk through right now is really what is the public process and what is the boat before us? Because in vehicle, in terms of how we are actually interpreting what is new since we have to review the facts and the findings in this case and to review if this building actually does meet the conditions of what's considered a nuisance and it does to also review the owners due diligence and making a good faith effort to ensure that there's necessary repairs to ensure that council on in the city can track progress of compliance e this order is in place to ensure that they can
buildings are safe. And well maintained. And that is the responsibility of te to ensure that grass is well that there's not people trust passing are doing illegal activity and also there's been a widespread of public testimony from neighbors not even in public testimony, but even just really just in in general, around share dissatisfaction, particularly around the neglect that been happening in this area. So i want to conclude by saying the purpose of this ordinance is ensure that they can buildings are still good neighbors. Larry, we've heard from members of the Catholic Church from patrons from the Rhondda Library next door. You have head start. You have a dog daycare. You have to win his
parking lot and there has been dozens of police cars that have resulted arrests, thought dry dealings and break-ins. And I do want to make sure on the record there is proper context. We've heard at building have had dozens of cars. We have also heard at the library has had hundreds of costs. I think if there was active people, if there are people here that we probably would More of a response rate from from my police officers. So there has been substantial evidence that this property is under a lot of challenges and that the owners have shared lacking critical investments. Now, unfortunately, vote is very limited. You know, you
all have heard from me, my my my my vision of insuring that we can have like investments and also regulations. But that is not that the case in this vote. So I will be motioning to amend the language too order that the owners get an inspection by DECEMBER 15th. So that gives them one month. Because I do think it is really critical. If you are. Dedicated committed it to ensuring that you are getting a proper scope of how much the renovation cost will be. You do that in the fashion of actually getting inspection, making sure that you have. A report of like what to actually get in compliance. That has not been done. So I do think it would be important that this amendment takes
place to have clear direct those to the owners, too, actually apply issue inspection. So you understand what the scope is for the renovations that are necessary required. And I will be laying this over DECEMBER. 15th, particularly for this item come back to council to see if there is an inspection that's given. I do want to open up to only council members, of course, right as voting for this. But open this up to Marcia to share. If that if that is reasonable time frame for a building owner to actually apply for an inspection and what you know, what is that? The usual turnaround time for when someone is applying for inspection and when they can actually get that report. The rescue questions and I'll try
to tackle them individually with respect to an inspection report of could have been ordered from the day after the fire through present so that opportunities been available. all of the vacant building registration forms that are mailed out an annual basis as well as the order to pay to use this building. And would know to scheduling this do indicate explicitly Co compliance inspection is required to rehabilitate the building if if it action has applied for tomorrow. And we asked the Department of Safety and inspections to expedite that inspection. Presumably it could be done within the next couple of weeks with respect to other items. The council I'm never recommended to the council and the council has
never taken action to lay matter over without the owner posting the performance Deposit and oder in the code compliance that those are. He pieces to demonstration of good faith that we're looking beyond that. We want to move forward with this. Those curt critical elements that I first discussed in my staff report and had they been present that show us. Intention to move forward. The cost. You mentioned the cost is generally determined not by the inspection report pr se, but rather by a general contractor engineer, architect moving through the building and outlining what they believe it take to bring it into What they would bid for that, you know, so I would say the cost to be there. The department, I think said they believed it would be in excess
of $200,000. We don't have any individual bids to verify that family with property that has. Maintained and managed. I think that similar to the council's process dealing with cvs and with. The burger chain, both of my 7th and on the West Side, the council asked for nuisance abatement plan. So very clear, explicit expectations about how to maintain that site, how to secure it from future problems that have been happening. And that has included things like lighting cameras regular visits like every other day, you know, getting in there and taking care of business. So that those kind of commitments, I would say the council would be wise to look
for Like I said, there were even cleanups happening by the city and by the church next toward during the legislative hearing process. And the property is in under a microscope during that time, as you know. So I would look for. The inspection to be applied for immediately. The $5,000 performance, the positive, a nuisance abatement plan. If you continue it in. I would definitely be happy to look over any and all of that. And that's that motion yet. But just it's worth. I would support a layover total. I think it's DECEMBER. 17th would be our last meeting of the On the condition. That is to give time for the performance, deposit the inspection and the nuisance abatement plan to to take a fact. I think that shows good
faith on the part of the applicants make it something to evaluate as we move forward. I have been moved by the testimony about not tearing down a building that is on the cusp of an insurance. Trial and settlement. I want not let the insurance company off the hook, but I do also hear you and the neighbors that it should not be on the neighbors to be picking up anything. It should be on the owners and as good neighbors. That is something that I think is the bare minimum to ask of the property owners who I know also want to be good neighbors so that it seems to me to be a distinction between requiring that the building be torn down and requiring that the property outside the building maintained in good condition and being an amenity to the neighborhood and not aflight. So I I would take an emotion like that at balance of those things. I am seeing lots of our Johnson have best present in dy. He has ways of
listening coaching you're making, I have emotion yet. It's still for up for discussion. I just in terms of in terms like I had gave my recommendation my motion in terms of getting feedback from Arcia rgarding like that timeline back have that officially made my motion. Okay. Theres not a motion happy to defer to see if there's a motion to for him comment and happy to make a discussion after the motion made. If you're making a motion. Well, it's have more discussion if you want to. Are you? knew what you say. Your car pay what you think. Yeah, I'm kind of in a place very feel like almost there landing the plane. But I so one thing that play a part too. To be able to share derby. It. I heard that
there was like communication between the attorneys public testimony sharing to not touch They're not doing renovations and things of that nature. And i just want to be I think that I think it's important that attorneys are also brought up to speed on what you're hearing here for the property owners is that not doing anything t the building I don't think is no longer an option. This is put together so I'm inclined to support the layover. But and I think that really over, though, to the point of councilmember bully and the council PRESIDENT Is a really important that like this layover is not only over to have nothing changed month later. The Lee over is to be able to speak and to address that. And I think communication needs to be had with the attorneys as well that we have certain city standards that are now being talked about for You're for
this property. And so. 2 years have passed. I think we also heard public testimony that the trial due to begin DECEMBER. I think there's a lot of things there that are going to be really nuanced and approach We just had a presentation. From the Promise Act earlier today, this particular building he's in the Promise Act neighborhood. I don't know if you've explored if other folks have explored opportunities, but this is where I would just say like the time we've had several different types of scenarios here. But as a member with a cement center board was vandalized. Level of this nature. But we did have doors best one of our Islamic centers in Ward 7. And this is clearly direct result of a hate crime. That doesn't necessarily mean that some of the standards that we require
for other places across city kpn cult here. So I would just encourage you know, they're to be a clear understanding that at this particular juncture be supportive really over, but not in the event that nothing will change between now and DECEMBER 17th. And so I hope that with the property owners that you heard some of the testimony today, you know, I did. I've been kind of support that motion councilmember bully in part because I don't think at a place of heating to act on this today. But I do think the time 2, it has passed. And so that's my that's my genuine feedback for you as the numbers. The comedian having 3 masks and my word if this were to happen in my community as I would also
be very adamant about seen community members get the support and the justice that need. And I recognize that, you know, there's different clocks We also have different city rules and guidelines that require us to be able take certain things like this had on. So support of the layover would hope that they would be progress made between this time and and DECEMBER 17th. And I won't be here for that vote. So I wanted to make sure that that is known because I think if it was a this was brought to vote today at heart supporting it. So I appreciate being able to see the Thank you. Johnson aside comes as PRESIDENT. I would also be very supportive of emotion that introduce some contingencies regarding this or that Bateman aspect. But it was also very compelled by the testimony. I the only thing that I heard was that the jurors asking for more
time for it to the insurance process. And I also heard a very clear intent from to reestablish their. Their mosque for their community. So to me, the intent to we we have and like the present in this building, was very, very clear. So I would absolutely support a motion that would include a contingency for the abatement property, but to give them mre time to let the insurance process go through. And I for me personally you know, I know what the vote is before us that the deference that I have in this moment is really important. Like cvs is a corporation. Burger King is an independently owned organization, right, that that we're talking faith
organization that is serving folks across the city and giving them a safe space, have prayer and have community. So my differences, maybe a little bit different. Maybe not entirely about the scope of what's before us today, but for that reason, I would absolutely support. Support the liver and excited to see. I'm excited to see the new We have a hit a mosque. Thank you for being here today. Thank you. Vice PRESIDENT Does it bring close to motion. And we've also had a lengthy meeting. I'd like to see their other comments on this things Council PRESIDENT. Why should the thought says he will become? So Vice PRESIDENT Council PRESIDENT? I was just looking Martian lake logistically, can you explain because they do believe that this incipient plan is rally important? Does that late?
Does discussion for that happened here where we need to hear from? The property owners about what their plan is or does it take place a few and outside of the council meeting here? Council PRESIDENT Council member ideally we would be able to look over the plan. The Department of Safety inspectors and myself prior to coming forward to the City council. I can look at Cole reports in the new says event abated say that certain things do need to be included in I think in this particular case, making sure that the site is appropriate lift that they're on. Is cameras and signage indicating that and that there is regular very regular presidents by the owners of the building to ensure that it is maintained and not the responsibility or the assumed
responsibility of the neighbors. So how to put together those expectations that could be embedded into the resolution or I think what's easier is to have a plan put together and come back before you and the summer. And I can deal with that much hearing process. Thank you. Thanks for with that. Mostly for most. thank you so much for the discussion and the contribution. I I think it really is. It's fair for us to give the owners and the communi members, you know, really in good faith effort for them to demonstrate good faith effort to convert to council. I'm so out motioning for inspection for the performance payment and also
to work with the hearing officer and designing. This is a basement plan. I also will be laying this over to the center 17th and I believe. That is when we will get a at believe, Marshall, for to expedite that inspection. That is something that is really important to me. I do think as though they're going through, I'm going what the insurance company that and inspection should still take place. And that performance payments take place and that maintenance of that property should still take place as well. So I think this is a good opportunity to support into a successful pathway forward. All right to the motion is to require the department to present the inspection and new spending plan to come back to
us to be done and come back to us DECEMBER 17th until over to that any further discussion, the motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed. 7 in favor. None opposed. The item is laid over until DECEMBER 17th this moment. Are there any other items to come? The Frester? Separate consideration? I would ask that item number. 45 even into the record number 45 is are all aged co. 25 Dash 14. Up helly appeal of William actor to a correction notice at 6.10, Western Avenue north. It's more months. For this particular case, I asking for an amendment. What we're looking at is a correction order for the removal of vehicles and having them part of crooks surfaces and so on.
There 12 cars originally and now we're down to 9 cars need to be dealt with and those I today that additional 3 are off the property down to 6. An additional 2 are going to go tomorrow or Friday. Based on that and family emergency issues that the owners dealing with. I think it would be. Good for the city council to grant an extension from DECEMBER. 1st 2 JANUARY 9. We'll take a motion to that effect from start. Any discussion seeing none all in favor say Aye. Aye. All post 7 in favor. None oppose. The resolution is adopted as amended and they'll moment for separate consideration. Not that I'm aware. I will hold a public hearing on all of legislative hearing agenda items. 30. 2 to 45 care for testified. Those this is your
time. Coming up. Seeing none. I'll take motion from is just to close the public hearing and approve the items as amended by the less they can. Officer all in favor say Aye. Aye, all opposed. 7 in favor. None opposed the legislative hearing. Consent agenda is adopted as a brings us to the end of our agenda. I want to recognize that we had students in attendance for academy here today. One left. made it. So if you are interested willing, this is your We love you to come on up and just tell us your name something you love about I think you deserved about the meeting today there by you at this moment. So you can tell your teacher you are definitely here and all the just a loan. But it great see him pronouns. I'm a senior at Saint Paul Ketamine Summit School. I am currently taking part
of a government citizenship class run by one of our history. Teachers. They're 2 periods. Part of the requirement to pass the classes to. I think it's 5 hours and and within those 5 hours to separate activities of viewing government action. So this is the first one I did. I'm just kind you almost got your 5 if you want keep going yeah, I got I got to go somewhere after the Bt I just I just interested because and people there's a whole group here first, interested in coming to one of these events. And I was sort talking about like a kite. I don't think the interesting, especially because I don't have anything to do this Wednesday afternoon. I thought
it would be kind of and I have really enjoyed it. I find it really interesting to learn more about how my city trucks. Because I think I live it's right on the line between like board and it for. It's right next to accept the hand. One midway area right next to him when ever city. And so, That's really nice. Anyone at Follow the mayoral race a very closely. I'm just because I every day I walked to selling it to be a line bus, too kind of concerned. And so seeing the cbs building on occupied and living there. During the George Floyd riots, I think it's really interesting to hear what you guys have to say about Bennett buildings and just making our city. Thank you. Thank you so
much for being here. city of Saint Paul run for office staff for being here. Really appreciate it and to say thank you for sticking it out us. No one else got to come up and be camera because because they left. And that brings us to get new section of our agendas or you can use around the table. In the stock. wanted to share about the East side, Environmental Justice Group hosting a free food and local resource. They're partnering with modest food shelf and it's a mutual aid event. This Saturday, providing free food local resources and there's going to be conversations about clean community health and environmental justice. On the east side. Its on Saturday, NOVEMBER 22nd one, 32 03:30pm, at the District Council for
Office. And that's on reform our grid street in Saint Paul, Minnesota. I want 6 so the are encouraging people to bring shelf-stable foods goods to contribute to no canned goods. Please. And there are some recommendations on what you can bring coffee detergent. Dish soap, paso oil beans, and many more. You can check them out on their. I'm sure their Facebook. Thanks as Johnson. Thank you. I just wanted to take a minute and going to think one how the council members on the council staff and my team who put together a beautiful baby shower for me earlier this week. And I was like challenging day on Tuesday for a lot of reasons. But it really I just want to Parnas sincere smile to my face and also as I did on will be remote for the next council
meeting on the 3rd. My first my last game in person for a little bit. But I just have appreciated the support. And thank you, too. Council, PRESIDENT Maker for staying on to the Port Authority in my stead in the q vice Chair Jones will reach a major since Haley. And I do sincerely appreciate the partnership and I appreciate being able to have have acouple, baby. So looking forward to that. And just wanted to put that out we were very impressed by the party planning skills of your office and we cannot wait to welcome the newest families. So are as leaning on here, every Thursday I had to ground, there's a partners and prevention clinic, so it's free. Health care. They have free
dental screenings. Flu shot. Free blood pressure, education, and support inside of the canteen room. We've been there for certain events so that every Thursday between 12 and 03:00pm at having to Brown Community Center. This Thursday will tomorrow the Saint Paul and we see p will be hosting a twn hall. Particularly they'll be hearing from the police chief and also from I Well, what have youhat we hear from Brown at the have a few brown community center and that's going to be between 6 and 08:00pm. If you. Want to that, though, there and just kind of learn more about how the Saint Paul's in partnership with Lady and all the great work do. Some things. Just fun on this was Thanks. I just wanted to
share about the him into a coalition annual meeting and community festival that's in place tomorrow night at Hamlin Universty at the Anderson Center from 6 a pm. They are looking forward to it. That particularly after the events yesterday that were here, Western Midway Sassoon Anthony Park neighborhood just looking forward to being in community and celebrating all the really amazing work that's been done this year and also all the work this t come. Response. Especially I got a text message from a team like you're supposed to say that Rick. So the we don't have a Thanksgiving and things council meeting Saturday November 22nd at There's to publications that are all a part of this twin cities All-Star, get back, get back. That's going to be giving out free turkeys to families that needed at some starting at 1.
Be at Molly 5, 7, 6, front avenue and then also in Ward 7 at the kindly community center. They do whatever you think that the son of a nation every year it some capacity and plenty places that do it but pressure. Those are 2 stops Saint Paul, that if or your family need to trick, you know, someone who might benefit from having a free giveaway that is Thanks for option. really, I'm going regret not sharing that to exciting, exciting, good news. So I'm going to be hosting this Friday at the Ordway Performance Rondo Night where they'll have no-fault musical. and they're celebrating this yar there for the 8th year anniversary. So they are offering $40 tickets to go to. To watch the Notebook Music Hall, you can use this cold
for any of the but particularly Friday is when I'll be hosting around the night was open everyone. But I'm super excited. I love the notebook and I'm really my goal is trying to like not cry. You know, I find it very impossible every time I watch the movie. So it's a Broadway musical and really, you know, great opportunity. Yeah, thinks funny, that was with that. Just a reminder, as Johnson reminded us, we don't have a meeting next week. I hope everyone hasn't. We do have truth in taxation. Yeah, that's my whole. I was going to say I'm grateful for all Happy Thanksgiving, but I am still
grateful happy Thanksgiving, even the each other Tuesday. All right. With that to make sure that things