To oder roll call, please toast him. But we hear Coleman Chair Johnson here. Present to absent being councilmembers maker and Kim and they are both excuse. Thank you to everyone. Whos came to join us today at a council meeting will invite you to join us for the Pledge of Allegiance I'm glad. And it, it's chance And well, out. Consent agenda items 6 to 25 or before you for your consideration. It is my understanding that were pointed at and 13. And 24 from the consent agenda. Is there anything else that needs to be taken separate from consent? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from us to approve the entire constituent all those in favor. I all opposed. 5 in favor nor opposed consent agenda is adopted as
amended. Item 10 is resolution. 25 dash 15. 45 approving the proposed issuance of conduit revenue bonds by the housing and redevelopment Authority for the Twin Cities. Germany immersion school project 10 31 Como Avenue under Minnesota statutes section for 69.1. 52 through for 69 Point 16. 55. All right. We have several different discussions at the House and redevelopment Authority about this item. But are there any other discussion council working. Thanks, chair jobs and I will be pretty fun. Just reiterating reiterating my thoughts from Mary Jerry Board am Post. I have been opposed to condor revenue bonds for both charter schools and private schools. Really because of the negative fiscal impact that has on our school districts and not see pop of
Saint public schools to be specific. And so it will not be supporting both the in 13. Thank you. Council any other discussion. All right, seeing none. I'll take a motion from. COUNCILMAN Billy to approve all those in favor. I all opposed no. 4 in favor. One opposed being Councilmember Yang. The resolution is adopted. Item 13. This resolution 25 dash 15. 56 aproving the proposed issuance of conduit charter school least revenue notes by the Port Authority for them. Metro Deaf school project located at 11. 25 Energy Park Drive. likewise, we had a spot. Staff report public hearing as well. So is approval that came to the House and Redevelopment Authority. This item here is
in front of us. There any additional discussion for this? I will just something shared the importance I think about continuing to invest in our community, especially whenever there's some sort of improvements that are for accessibility reasons with that, I will take a motion from the scope and to approve all in favor. All oppose 4 in favor. One opposing counsel we're getting the resolution is adopted. Item. 24 is resolution 25 dash 15. 98 operation. The cities rank list of 2026 state general obligation bond to requests for Submittal to Minnesota Management and budget. This is an item that we uphold simply to move version the original version did not carry some of the numbers for it. Council members have all been briefed on this as well. But I wanted to make sure if there's any discussion before
doing so. For questions. Seeing none out. Take a motion from to move version to and approved. All in Aye. 5 in favor nor opposed the resolution adopted as amended. Yes, it's my understanding. We have a suspension item that has brought to us because we have to have an action by Friday of this week. This is coming in from the city attorney's office take a motion from MR. Justice to suspend the rules all in favor. Aye. Aye. All opposed 5 in favor nor opposed the rules are suspended resolution 25 dash 16, 50 appointee in the Public Rights Special counsel for the purpose of providing legal representation to the city of Saint Paul. In the matter of city of Boston, et al versus Department of Homeland Security at all to be filed in
the District of Massachusetts. All righty. We received of people about this, but I know that attorney Sullivan is in the room for any questions. Are there any discussion from council members are additional things that need to be clarified before we move approval? Councilmember Billy, I make a note. I had a chance to talk my my staff, particularly and also I'm revealing the. a memo from city attorney, particularly that this is pro bono, that there is no cost at this that the city is responsible for. So I think that's also good to highlight. As for joining this lawsuit, that this is not going to, you the financial responsibility that the city taking. Thank you for that. Can stumble. And yes, that is correct. I think especially at this you know, we should be doing everything that we can to protect our federal dollars that are pouring towards
public safety towards our police department. Our fire department. Really not to succumb to to any tactics that would. But cities at a disadvantage. So sincerely appreciate that. Even better when being able to be done. And to the city. And wth that a council member, Billy, if I can accept that as a motion to approve. Motion made by council are going to approve all those in favor. I think all posts. I'm in favor opposed the resolution is adopted item. 26 its first reading of ordinance. 25 dash 5. Many chapters 60's. 63. 65 66. 67 69 of legislative code as recommended in the traditional neighborhood district zoning study. All right. So this is the ordinance portion of the agenda and insist than the speed of the council PRESIDENT
Often explains to the community about that. We'll just share that for those that are here today. Each of these ordinances got their 3 step process in 3 separate meeting. It's having a staff report, a public hearing and then a final before us today. 200 says that's what that would go for. The first reading in that will include a staff report. So for this item, we have. Staff. You're ready to provide a report. So welcome senior City planner Spencer Miller. Thank you introduction. House members Johnson. Thanks for having me today. Really excited to be at this point. We're talking about the traditional neighborhood district zoning study with you all. I'm just going to staff report on Some of them might be reviewed because of briefings and other meetings we've had on this. But I'll some high-level information and provides information
planning Commission. really, we last talked about it in JUNE when I give staff report to the hra. And during that presentation, we went through some cartoons who are particularly excited about the zoning study and what this could offer them. So briefly, summarize how this could benefit them again and then go like I said, the Planning Commission public hearing and recommendation. So just as a refresher, the 2 districts are essentially Saint Paul's mixed use zoning districts. They were first adopted in 2004. They were last updated in 2011 so there's a need of some attention given the policy direction in the 24 you comprehensive plan and all the experience that staff has had processing applications over the last couple decades. So the purpose of the zoning study is really to implement the comprehensive plan and to modernize the 20 year-old
standards. The comprehensive plan support zoning provide for active pedestrian-friendly development with a mix of land uses that support. Transit is also support for multi-family housing, especially affordable housing and proximity to transit and employment. Districts are grateful to implement this policy because they're currently zoned along transit corridors and neighborhood know throughout the city. So that's what's shown in orange here on the map. We see lrge pockets of 2 zoning along university and snowing over Highland Village and then up and down corridors like West 7th Rice Arcade among others. And when we receive rezoning requests were oftentimes reviewing applications that request a zoning change to a t district. So their only becoming more popular threat city. That's good for the zoning city includes text amendment to the code and the recommended
amendments coming out of planning Commission make the following 6 big changes. So the clarify the purpose and intent of each district to better distinguish them from one another. They increased development, flexibility at nodes in the long corridors. Particularly talking about an increase of 10 feet in height limit in t 2 and t. 3 and more streamlined building, intensity regulations. The skilled land use flexibility so they make it easier to have uses like coffee shops and small-scale neighborhood serving mixed uses. Incentivize affordable housing and that's through a density bonus incentive. They streamlined design standards by making them objective and measurable. And overall the into polling wage because of course, that's something we like to do when we can. That. Certainly back to our cartoons here. These text amendments have the potential to provide
a range of benefits. So for Archie artist, it means that new studio and housing spaces can be available along transit routes, giving her more housing options around the city. For developer. Dan, it means that the design and review process is more efficient with fewer approvals required by the planning commission by the City Council. It also means that there's more potential for him to build affordable housing within his projects because of the affordable housing density bonus. And Virginia junior in music. They feel safer, walking down the street to a new partner story that's opening up narby because buildings are built near the sidewalk and our human skilled rather than prioritizing vehicles and vehicular access. So the planning commission held a public hearing on these amendments on JULY. 11th. That was after an 8 week public review period that open MAY
16th. During that review period we received 51 testimonies. 46 were provided in writing and 5 are provided for Billy at the hearing. The big 3 themes that were prevalent throughout those comments were first full support for the zoning study, which is great. There is interest in rezoning more land to and then there is interest in combining t one and t 2. So in terms of rezoning entity proactive City initiated Rezonings want included in the approved scope of work for the zoning study. We had only approve text amendments. So once this text amendment process concludes, we are looking to bring a scope of work. That does include the consideration of rezonings on transit corridors to you all. So stay tuned for that. Related to the interest in combining 2, 1, to 2 of these comments are really want ended in the drive from an interest in streamlining the code, which is something that we
definitely love to do. But we think that the proposed text amendment will actually make t one a much more useful zoning district going forward. 2 overly restrictive and it's under utilized today. So by opening up some land, use flexibility and adjusting some of the standards, we think that you want to be better positioned to actually provide small-scale mxed use potential within urban neighborhoods. And if we are to combine the 2 districts to it to the media, missing out on that opportunity for small-scale mixed use. And then in addition to these like general comments that we received, there were several other more detailed comments that we considered and discussed with the Compreheive neighborhood Planning Committee. And from all that we proposed a few very minor changes, which the planning commission supported and recommended for approval
to you all. Welcome to conclude. Urologist remind you all that the zoning study has been in the works off and on since 2022. Over the spring and summer of this year, we conducted additional outreach with district councils and to the brc and we met with a comprehensive, a neighbor Planning Committee and the Planning Commission several times. Then on SEPTEMBER 5th, the Planning Commission voted to recommend approval to all and the City Council public hearing was notice for NOVEMBER 5th. So we actually have a few weeks there. Any questions or would like to review this further? But with that, that's really all I've gotten bill for any questions. Now. Thank you, MR. Miller, Johnson, I sincerely appreciate just kind of game the run through, especially of - a brief last 3 and a half that is what into this. And I'm sure that it's been both an exciting and I think a big
undertaking for the team to thank yous for being able to walk us through that. Are there any questions right now for? For our staff? Otherwise, we're really excited to see this come back to the council. And I'm looking forward to public hearing and some of the pieces to address this in part because I think the appetite has been to just continue to see more further investment and our ways to make sure that we're utilizing in developing here in Saint Paul. So appreciated. The ordinance is laid over to OCTOBER 22nd for second reading public from the field. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I did? We just want clarification when that you expect to have the public notice for NOVEMBER just because of the 30 day notice requirement. Okay. Okay. So that's not your usual routine People will take a
motion for that. Yes, thank So I'll take a motion from the school this matter over for public hearing to NOVEMBER 5th. So that'll be a layover 2 weeks. All those in favor. 3 weeks, including the 5th. When say yes. All those in favor. All of us. I'm in favor opposed. The ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 5th for second reading public hearing. Item. 27 is first reading of ordinance. 25 dash 61. Many checked or 74 of the legislative code by enacting a new section designating the theater hampering company Heritage Preservation District has a heritage preservation site. ok, also bring this forward to it and know that this is item that has been in the works for a long time. So the spirit of that welcome. I believe MISS French is going to be first to give an overview of this item that we have a staff report from the spent it and then the
following up by spot where? Good afternoon chair Genson members of the Council. My name is Marie with. Simple to purchase gun development going to talk to you give you a brief introduction to the hams for e project. Redevelopment project includes the East and complex and the West and complex. So the east end perfect building is going to include 110 affordable units their size from one to 3bedrooms with affordability, ranging from 30 to 60%. Am I with an average of 60%? Am I the Westin artists history use building. We'll create 86 affordable housing uits they're going to be affordable from 30 to 70%. And I with an average of 60%, a I and the units are going to be affordable for 50 years. And the redevelopment is going to
include some site improvements. It'll provide open public space and a link from the trail to the hams project. And we anticipate construction is going to start in 2027. That's part contingent tip, funding or decision. DECEMBER. And then the what actually the West and complex or that a It has a new commercial marketplace and it's gonna have 30,000 Square feet with 30 to 50 small vendors spaces and one to 3 acres, one to 3 anchor tenants. And that's going to create opportunities for local entrepreneurs. And I just wanted to mention the historic designation is really critical in terms of the financing for this project and it's going to leverage approximately
28 million dollars in state and federal historic tax credits. I'll turn it over to. PRESIDENT Council members and Christine will wear and heritage Preservation staff. pt and will continue to hear. Falling from a was talking about part of redeveloping. The site includes rehabilitation of the historic Kim's theory buildings in the Western and the campus. In doing so the designation through here, we're looking locally designating with the attention to certify for the National Register of Historic places that would open up the opportunity rehabilitation act. Excuse me. Utilizing 20% federal a 20% local tax rehabilitation tax credit. So locally designating it in certifying it is something that the city is before with projects like the Jacob Schmidt Brewing Company and
the University Raymond, in this case we received a nomination for local designation for the site in APRIL, the Heritage Preservation Commission review the application and agrees that there were 3 criteria, local criteria that it met. The Florida to the planning Commission who reviewed it in SEPTEMBER, also recommending the council approval. And we received a letter from the State Historic Preservation Office on Monday, saying that it is a good candidate fr designation. They also recommended a boundary change, save, received amendments. That show updated map updated district description. That would put out the Hope Academy. Updates the district is also shows all of the contributing long contributing
building so that back. It. There's a little bit of a background I just talked about. And this is that that I was mentioning. So there's any questions happy Thank you, Butler friend, Chad. I think I'm sorry to bring it back up. But I just wanted to have a quick question in for clarification as You mentioned the 28 million dollars. That could be leveraged credit in tis regard for the site. Could you couple more things about just the overall like process one-fifth. What is it? You know, when I look at that started as a nation piece like, how can that how can that be? 28 million can talk a little bit about the financial piece of the historic designation. Can't hear. Yeah. I Christine said the state
credit is 20% of the eligible. We have cost for the project and then the federal is 20%. The sme Well, actually, they generate when you calculate the generated the state is going. Credits would be about 15 million and the federal would be about 13 Million. The total cost for the Westside historic housing component. Which will be generating credits is 91.8 million. And these historic renovation projects are really expensive generally because of the work that has to be done, that the tech boarding and all the great Total reconstruction of the new mechanicals, an hvac. Cleaning out the contamination in the buildings. So you tend to see high construction costs. And that's
what and then 20% of more or less is what is generating in credits. Okay. And then it's Bauer. Could you share a little bit about like what sort of? Protections go in place for sites that are historically designated, especially surrounding like demolition or other tings that vote come from a place being on the register. Stephen accounts cast members. So what local district designation would do is require that any time there's a city permit, te choir for exterior changes at the property. So that could be signage. Rehabilitation. New construction, demolition. If we require heritage preservation of minor changes typically in a straight of reviews by pc staff. Larger changes such as new construction, demolition. Things like that are reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission and appealable to City Council. Repair of the masonry
replacement or repair of Windows mechanic ul's on the exterior roofing signage. Things like that would all be reviewed. And the goal is to. Not freeze the property in time, but actually to help guide change so that it maintains the character, the district and continue to love the buildings to be viable. Thank you. As a boy. Any questions from council members regarding this item. And we appreciate just the both the staff report son pieces from that eye recognize that there's a version to you as well. So I will make a motion to version to Emily this over for the public hearing next week. All those in favor say aye. All Very known opposed. Amendment is approved and the ordinance is laid over to OCTOBER 22nd for second
reading public hearing. Item. 28 is a public hearing of ordinance. 25 Dash 58 considering the application of the housing and Redevelopment Authority to rezone property at 10. 59 Maryland Avenue from be to community. This is to teach to traditional neighborhood and amending chapter 60 of the legislative code pertaining to the zoning map. This brings us to the public hearing section of our agenda. And if you here to testify item when the item and spread, the time to line up at either side. And when it's your turn, can come up to the microphones to have 2 minutes to speak. You dn't need adjust the makes they will adjust to you. Have 2 minutes honestly, it's not my favorite part of the job. I will have to interrupt. You have got 2 minute Mark to keep the timing to be respectful, folks that
MAY come in after you. And after your testimony, we ask that you signed their name for the record. It's on either side. There's a clipboard and you can sign your name to let us know where you're coming from. So that's a public hearing on this item. Is there anyone here to testify? Looking I don't see anyone running to the podium to seeing none. I'll take a motion from. It's going to close the public hearing in this matter over to next week for final adoption. All those in favor. Aye. All of They've been known to pose a public hearing is closed in. The Artis is laid oer OCTOBER 22nd for final adoption item. 29 has been withdrawn. A legislative hearing, consent agenda items. 33 34 before you for your consideration. This the budgets, if you're part this Mormon. afternoon, I'm aware of one
person who's here to testify and those for item number. 33. 30 threes are Leach 25 dash. 55 appeal of Marcus Allen. Second to its summary abatement order and vehicle of an order at 2016 Fremont Avenue public hearing continued to OCTOBER 15. in this case, I believe that we'll be talking primarily about the summary a bit in order. But since there is a vehicle Bateman orders, well, a cover that quickly. The in this case there was a trailer on the property part on an unapproved surface. in order for it to be retained, their there would need to be an approved site plan and appropriate surfacing and the owner was referred to the Department of Safety and inspections to pursue that if
he wishes to keep the trailer. With respect to the other order, it's a summary abatement order for tall grass weeds which I know it's just one of everybody's favorite stations. Very straightforward. The city code says not more than 8 inches tall. We have a handful of years now working with fact and great idea that a lot of people are doing native plantings. In their yards doing pollinator lawns and so on. And hw do we accommodate that within the code? Well, state there's a great favor that was provided by the Legislature and it does describe what management trip plantings would look like. Well, would be. And I did attach a copy of the statute is for 12.0. 95
native landscapes. And it does distinguished in this case between a turf lawn and that being 8 inches and a national planting which would managed natural landscape planned intentional maintain planting of net native or non-native grasses. Wealth pace, Forbes firms, shrubs or trees including rain gardens education and ornamental plants. But it does also indicate managed Vance case excuse me. Except as a part of a managed landscape as defined in the section. Any weeds are vast. This growing a pond. A personal cannot exceed 8 inches and it does distinguish between. Documents with the
him sorry. It does distinguish overgrown turf lawn, which would be grasses that were just described and native plantings. So in this case, the council would need to make a finding. Is this a turf lawn that's overgrown or is this a native planting in legislative This is what I was looking at doing that we did some. Evaluation of Excuse me. That was the 2024 photo that I want show you. We were doing exactly with problem earlier to my phone to get taken out there. Okay. Actually get. So this is 2025 my apologies. It is. The correct one up. You can
here what that looks like. I also have photos of what look like and the previous year. And you can see here orders were Houston, identical situation there. I think idea of the owner was to allow. want roll and determine what was a noxious weed and not acceptable. Pulled them out to create a native planting that way. Where I don't think that's successful in. Distinguishing between a native plant to all front. 1, I'm recommending as I did last year at this time that the council denied the appeal. Recommending the council give a deadline to OCTOBER. 2th for long to be
compliance with the city code. All right. Thank Thank you. MISS Woman. This is a public hearing on item. If there's anyone here to speak to the side, American caught between the mikes at this time. Hello, thank you. You'll receive 2 minutes so. Hello, I the homeowner in question. And then am in agreement a lot of things that were brought up. But not the reason for my appeal is. I'm looking for help with us. Guidance and finding out how to get whatever landscaping is necessary to. To figure out what. Qualifies has maintained the photos you are seeing. I will say are nowhere like what Florida's you would find today of what the art is currently.
I had spoken at us. My last, I believe, like phone hearing told recommendations for what I could do and I've talked. Most of the plants since then. Is a point of great for because a lot of plans, the day care for that I was planning to have overwintering But that's for. Pollinators and insects and birds. They're all gone now. Even now I worry I am. Still found as are maintained and all I really get is and occasional phone hearing that I pay $20 for to be told still doesn't work. I'm just looking for. Some concise parameters to know how should I be arranging my lawn
so that I can foster the ecosystem. But instead killing all the animals that I'm trying to let. This has proven to be tremendous financial burden on me. I am. Currently 54 days late with my mortgage. Still figuring out how to pay because the young these baiting orders, I'm unable to pay for them in the moment. But they get rolled over into the mortgage the next year and currently and painting more than $200 per month than what the mortgage is supposed to be. Just because I can't establish communication to figure out what pass. Pledges that I didn't say earlier, but could you just simply state your name and where you're coming from record? It's okay. I'm my name is Mark The
second. I'm sure the other part and obviously where you're coming from in this case Fremont Avenue. This is 2016 Fremont Avenue East, Saint Paul, Minnesota, 5, 5, 1, 9, I inherited from my mother when she died in 2020 and and struggling to learn how home ownership works ever since. If I MAY, I have a quick follow-up question for you, MR. Chawla, I'm the council member whose word the and so just follow new one of the recommendations that are coming through OCTOBER 20th deadline date. Do you anticipate that being enough time to get some of the information that you're seeing again? And you haven't. You haven't them how hope it can be. But part, I admit I'm here wondering if you can. Pointing to what departments to go to. I do
admit in the last hearing I was recommended to. I'm sorry, the Department of Health and Health and safety, do. The zone and the zoning department, the firmness inspections, public safety inspections. Thank you. When I was recommended to them, I was able to go to them and they guided me through how I could set up proper paving stones. Explain why the previous paving stones didn't qualify. And I'm currently trying to figure out how you find paving stones free on Facebook rketplace already arranged with them. That when I find them all beating them into the ground, taking pictures asking, does tis pass and that works for me. But with the tall grass. On one side, I know that there is an inspector named You know, I have gotten to
meet with him in person once he admitted me that his bosses, my house, is sort of a target zone because always easy to call it maintain. So we just makes the rounds. And I told him one of 3 houses when I have my hearings with. And this is more of Mormon. I get some information. But then I find I'm still held has maintained later. And so I'm making progress. But I just wish that I knew what department can I go to just sit down with someone ad make a plan of this works? This doesn't work. Okay. Well, thank you so much for being here. MISTER I'm gonna coming to get them. And I do the public hearing again, just to make sure that there's no one else here and over there will be. But a I'll be able to touch base after Thank you. All right. This is a public hearing on this item. Is there
anyone else here to testify? Okay. Seeing none. I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. All those in favor. All of us. 5 in favor nor opposed public hearing is closed. As for me have a quick question for clarity for you. That date from OCTOBER 20, it wasn't this is the deadline in which they have to there compliance or could you just elaborate again on the OCTOBER 20th date? Of course. The original orders and To bring this up so that it's in contexts. The original orders too the vehicle abatement and the summary abatement that we're talking about were issued on SEPTEMBER. 11th. I conducted hearing. SEPTEMBER 30th recommending a
deadline of OCTOBER. 20th. So the arc of time is basically 6 weeks between when the orders were originally issued to compliance. Take the course today is OCTOBER 15th. So that means Monday. One of things I heard from Palin's pblic testimony was at the pictures presented were potentially different than what the current status. You have, the dates in which pictures were taken that were shown today. The ones that are shown today are the ones that were shown in the legislative hearing. If the property is in compliance now, then it's in compliance and typically. I wouldn't go through in identify plants. That's really something that I'm an expert
in to be able to say. This is a native planting. This is organized correctly. This is growing over the sidewalk. These are things that I can't do. I don't know that the council can or should do either. I think this is ultimately a conversation with the inspector and specific Guidance on how to plant native landscape would be ice. It better sot from extension services master gardeners programs and things like that where there's full of training around that. To be able to give some background information and the the assessment that strip of color refer to from debate that that occurred last JUNE when the city had mow the grass that's
a order. Wasn't appealed. Then we did have an appeal as I indicated last fall. And now today. Okay. And so the pictures that were taken were did. But what the sorry in SEPTEMBER. That's what date was. The picture taken was SEPTEMBER. This picture was taken in me for the legislative hearing and would have been SEPTEMBER 30 s. If this deadline is in place in just a clarification and thank you for thank you, colleagues first being with me as I as a couple of questions about it. Will there be any sort of follow up around the current state of the property at that? But for can before they would be services rendered on the 20th we ordered this to be completed by the 20th. How would a person be able to determine whether it's still in the current state that would warrant action or not. The best way to do that would be to contact an inspector in this you know,
score the supervisor, Lsa Martin and have them review. To a determination about whether they would issue a summary abatement or excuse me a work order for crew to come take care of that. So the council's job today you're undertaking is the deadline. Guess how staff to the department to enforce the deadline. The council establish U.S.. Thank you, MISS Mormon and again. Thank you, MR. For Talent for taking the time to come here as well. And give your comments and just overall provide the updates. Because I didn't hear it necessarily. A disagreement with deadline nor the compliance issue here. I am inclined to move that recommendation of the hearing. Officer. I move approval of the. Recommendation as
amended. With that being a minute. is not a official side make a motion to move the recommendation that of the hearing officer and a discussion council thanks Johnson. I do have a question for immersion, wondering if you can just explain to us again in it. What what what the homeowner need to do in order to be compliant because I heard clearly to them, they want to they want to a pollinator plants in their yard and they're looking to get guidance on what actually is taking the take for them to be in compliance. It would be giving from where they are now, which is done turf and that's been allowed grow. To a native planting that is organized and managed with plants in the categories that are listed in the statute. Right now, as we discussed
it legislative hearing instead of doing what other people have appealed to come in for me and like I plowed at my entire yard and I did this whole planting, according to what the manual set about to do native plantings. That isn't what's happening in this particular case. He and the owner indicated That was expensive route to undertake as opposed to a more piecemeal approach. But the piecemeal approach. Does not give you a clean boundary and how to get there. I guess one way would be to plow the Garden plant. But how to get to be placing plants that are turf versus place, you know, versus planting new. That's really a master gardener. Kind of a question. I would from my perspective. Thank
you. And know that 100% answer apologize. Thank you I do think that this is a definite, really tough situation and I'm often thinking about the different late homeowners who have come before us with. Interest to to preserve pollinator plants and have pollinator gardens and that we even had a situation recently where there was an abatement And the that homeowners, all plants basically got mode. And so I don't want this to end up in a situation like that. Again, I do think that this is a really important policy conversation for us to have an And I do get e-mails from especially the climate justice advocates and they were to feel strongly about this and have suggested, hey, you know what you think about us doing this offering
suggestions and those are really important for us to to continue talking about that. I checked off 9. I'm willing to support motion. I just worry that maybe I think it's about a week's time that we're giving the property owner here. Just not confident that I would be enough time for them to actually be able to get the sort of advice that they need from from experts who I think actually like. Who will we don't currently have in our area within our city staff and bees are. This is like a level of expertise that I'm sure many nonprofits out there. The actually focus on doing would be able to give advice on. Just my concerns that I wanted to share right off the bat. Is there time limit on this on this item? War? Would we be? So, for example, with te 5th Wednesday, if we did move over today to allow more time
for that, would we be able to do that? The timeframe that we're given? It counts could absolutely do that. I think one of the privileges that we have this time of year is that ultimately. Cutting. Plantings lawn. Whatever label we put on it at this point is something that nature is going to do for us. You know, so cutting it is not destroying things. Is that next year's of growth cycle? And so planning could happen. One of those lines to both for the council to consider how it wants to move forward with any thing. And also for figuring out of the winter. But the spring planting with so it's it is this time of kind of special. COUNCILMAN Is here thank And thank you so much. Chair
Johnson also want to just kind of reiterate council member Chair Yang had mentioned, particularly around just the uncertainty around. That enough time the appellate having already shared that. Just looking for guidance from seeking direction, particularly around these particular plants. I did have chance to kind of look at what our policy. I don't know. I'm looking at the correct policy that chapter 45 with the nuisance abatement says grass should not be. More than 8 inches. And I think that that is clear in terms like the height of the grass. But doesn't go into detail. Provide guidance around hw maintain some of these plants, which I think my councilmember could say maybe that's something we can exploring policy and get some expertise.
Advice from some nonprofits people. Unlike the climate Justice, Environmental justice, I feel, but I also will be inclined say, and if you are willing. And given that this year award to lay it over no longer just a give the talent more time to also figure that out. And I did have a question, too, because I am. I know this comes up a for these motions. Are we? What is like either able to like put conditions, particularly with the recommendations to wear the inspector, you know, is is is a sly Corey too provide a list resources? Are partners are organizations because I think that should be a service that our city provides with giving people direction. As for. And Klein for them to be and compliance with our. Our rules. We should also like
give them tools or lease. A reference to to use. So I I don't know how we can wear that. Are that needs to be, you know, reading and to be resolution. But I do think that something. Will be helpful with giving the appellants clear direction. We do make these folks. And response. I would say that if the council is laying the matter over, that will give time for some language to be drafted. Typically, the city council does not issue orders for how execute these responsibilities at the Department of Safety inspections. And it's more of a conversation about how they would do But the council could definitely put in there. It's
wish us to have these things clarified for a property owner Self's happy every 2. I think it's. What's motion sent me this. I'm sorry. What do want move the motion that I mean, it's like a another one. You can just do that saying I write the motion and then die previously made just kind of thick stuff for the feedback to from council members. We for context, we typically try to, you know, respond to this different assessments and in ways that are both fair to a lot of folks. And so. Afton don't know if layovers and things will be supported in tis way. And so I'm happy to move for layover to NOVEMBER. Spit number of members. This meeting. But I think one of the things that we're getting that is clearly in the public testimony, their
and interest from MR. Patel a to learn more about what resources and pieces are available to him. As someone who has expressed interest both going to be in compliance with the city to avoid further assessments, but also to learn more about proper and way too. The to be able to explore being able to have pioneers on the say, being able to really just do some of the things he's obviously been attempting to do for the last couple of years in a way that doesn't warrant having to go through this process. Ad so I would also share that I think it because one of the questions that came up in the public hearing for me is whether or not what's the current state of the Be really great. If
size able to get up to get an updated understanding of we're at currently with this property and if the pictures of a having a longer what's actually what it looks like it might be where fog have for have the inspector. Safe if possible prior to. NOVEMBER 5th, just because there's been a lot of things that have been going on. A lot of things last potentially an. Our system, a database. And so if that is possible, that would be my from Dsi staff as a follow-up and then. I heard you mention a couple a couple of additional pieces around. This is to be an appetite for compliance. And I know what the department safety inspection that seems to be our primary goal is to work constituents to get them into compliance. And so that barriers, education, that I would hope that that would be afforded to all constituents, including my. So I take make a motion to lay it over for 2. 3
weeks to NOVEMBER. 5th. Any further discussion? All those in favor. Aye, all opposed. 5 in favor opposed the resolution has laid over to NOVEMBER. 5th. Okay. And is a public remainder legislative consider the legislative hearing agenda. If there's anyone here left to speak to the legislative hearing items that are in front of you. Tis is public hearing. So looking for anyone seeing no one running, I will take a motion from councilmember just to close the public hearing and approve the recommendations. Legislative hearing officer. All those in favor. All opposed. 5 in favor know the post public hearings are closed in the consent agenda adopted as amended. Just one quick for the record mentioned earlier that could follow after this meant that intentions of the
item, I close it this matter since the public hearing has been closed. But the item is still there. All legislative hearing items or has additional which means our office would not be able to do that. Just want to be clear and clear the record. We are at the portion of our space where we hve to do We can choose to do good news. I think the shed. I have a couple of things that I want to share that afternoon. My word and so. And want to just get the opportunity to council members as well. Start off by just sharing a. Again that we did welcome our. Master's in social work student from Beth universities have gotten McCoy to our office and excited to have her for the fall and spring semesters. This is the first fellow that we've had, but she brings an array of experiences and excited to welcome and her into the city and to the east
side we have a couple of of our annual meetings that are coming up and a lot of things around our district councils who are working really, really hard, you know, to bring back some of the Staples, one of them, you know, it is OCTOBER. So it's kind of around Halloween time. D Halloween to dress up, that's great. I've been trying to get to get the energy to do so. But I mentioned this last week, but we do have spectacular coming back to the east side to the Southeast committee organization from one to 4 on OCTOBER. 25th. And we also have annual meeting for the infamous annual meeting, their district council annual meeting that's happening on the OCTOBER. 20th from. 68 at un rec center. And then there's also things center Todd Time Halloween party. I think super cute. So for your kiddos, don't have a lot of places sometimes or we can
bring our kids and have a safe trick-or-treating And so influx wrecked center is hosting from 10, 30 to 12:00pm. So during the day on Friday, OCTOBER 17th, so it's from children for children any age up to 5. So it's a really cool experiences experience and I say it was fun being able to people can tackle air and then stopped by here, people about their families and casts next level. Any other council members have any good news for the words of hate, seeing Councilor Yang and council Burkle, thanks. Chair Johnson. There will be a Halloween party in haunted trail happening at the Sullivan Case, Recreation Center Thursday, OCTOBER 23rd. The party is from 6 to 7 and the trail office staff of the 07:00pm to 09:00pm. It's free and everybody's welcome.
Mason, thanks with all the whole wing parties say we're doing a little bit differently and more at 4, we have a trash party this weekend. So I'm excited to join at the helm. Midway Coalition and the new Park District Council for a neighborhood cleanup this weekend. It's 10:00am to 01:00pm. If you commute on a trash picker and you can keep it. I think so. That's a big Go team all dine. They'll have 4 different sites that are all doing pick up and then a party afterwards at placard. So encourage folks to come out and help out. Thank you, Councilmember Coleman. I don't know what's more scary. piece tash. Any other good news in the Lord. Councilmember Louis, thank you. I trying to pull up
this last one So I I where office will be convening a community conversations. I was the session on reparations on Monday. OCTOBER 20, from 05:00pm to 07:00pm at the Fife Town Community Rec center. So we welcome everyone on if you haven't been to listening session, we also invite you. It's come and have a conversation. And I'm also looking for there we we didn't call rats party at couple with a fun name for it. But we'll be doing a community cleanup. OCTOBER, let's see here at home. There. 18th and the 19th on the intersection of Delhi University and it's between 10:00am to 02:00pm. So it's a public works, says I'm inviting their their staff to come out and by district will be alongside the university corridor and making
sure if find that area. It's an event by popular Seeing none of that. You guys feel to be chaired by first council meeting. We are