Called a meeting of the Saint Paul City Council to order Roll Call, please camps. Ye. Hear Coleman here. Johnson here, Jones Council PRESIDENT Maker here 7 present. No one absent. Welcome. Everyone is so exciting to see a packed house for our city council meeting. It's like this every single week. We invite you all to join us and stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Black. Consent agenda items 3 through 17 or before you for your consideration. Is there anything to be taken for separate consideration and stuffing? Yes, thank Council PRESIDENT Ever to take item number 15. 15 is common. Thank 62 11, 11, 11 15. Anything else. Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his Yang for the balance of the consent agenda. All in favor
say Aye. I'll post. 7 in favor opposed the consent agenda is adopted as amended. Item 11 is resolution 25 dash 16. 77 approving the legislative hearing officer's recommendation with cnditions for the application submitted by the University of Saint Thomas to add in entertainment the license and expand liquor service areas under the existing liquor on sale. 291 or more seats license located at 21 15 Summit Avenue. Thank you, PRESIDENT. I would like to make a motion to approve it. The license application and just wanted to open the discussion with a brief when I first heard about this liquor license or liquor license application. I have not yet been elected to the cty council. Like many in the
neighborhood, knew the neighborhood. I was concerned that it was overly broad or that it might have negative consequences for the residents of the community express this to neighbors at the time prior to joining the council and prior to entering the quasi-judicial role in which we currently sit. In this quasi judicial role like my colleagues and required to make a decision based solely upon the evidence. In the record and without bias. In this instance. And despite merrily reservations, I'm confident that the record requires us to approve this license. University Saint Thomas is not opening permanent bar on their campus do they intend to serve alcohol at all? Hours of the day, every day of the year, despite some initial misconceptions, the record makes clear that this license about ensuring alcohol be sold at the new arena, not willingly across campus. Was this one is a review by city staff and then determined to
be appropriate. There are strict requirements, U.S. Locations at which alcohol can be served with regard to the training and policies that staff will be required to follow. And big events are happening in conjunction alcohol sales us to going to work with private security at their own public safety department and off-duty police officers to manage traffic parking and related security concerns. Well, I know that many neighbors are concerned about the impact of allowing extended alcohol sales at usc. We have also received letters of support from both of the university savory district councils conveying their support for the issuance of this license. Helps us importantly it to my mind is the condition of the license and its conditions be reviewed on an annual basis. Their calls to St Security regarding future behavior campus events, which liquor sold that will be reviewed by the city each year and will be used determine whether this licensure remain
in place. Taken together this information sufficient to confirm to confirm that the secure license should be approved. Thank Thank you as Really appreciate your point. That from consent to give context and appreciate your thoughtful approach as well as reminder that this is a quasi judicial issue. So we're required to evaluate and using different criteria than we might otherwise any. So the motion was for approval. Any discussion of the motion further discussion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed. 7 in favor nor opposed resolution is adopted. 15 of solution. 25 17. 28 establishing the membership of the reparations harm. Study, rfp review committee to review proposals received from the reparations harm. Study rfp in Stockton. And then this buoy. Thank you so council PRESIDENT And to our colleagues,
especially because we have a full house and I'm not sure. Fully, you know, whether or not folks are excited to come talk about this consent agenda item number 15, but I will say that I had a chance to review all of the community organizations and all of the directing those that cater to our office or to the council about this matter. And I just want to say thank you to your continued commitments for the city reparations work. I want to start by acknowledging that people love an investment that I have and that our community brings to this work and to affirm to the city's commitment to a credible community-driven and justice center reparations process remains unwavering. I also want to and feel compelled to have to address some of the confusion and misinformation that has been circulated and
the recent days regarding item number 15, this resolution was related to the comprehensive reparations harm report and establishing what would we review committee? Since the beginning of this year? My office has worked closely with the Saint Paul Reparations Commission. It's an 11 member body that has been appointed by the council, all of which identify as active as African American descendants of slavery, who have worked with city attorneys ofices, procurement staff for the Council operations to ensure report the committee asked for is taking place and the process was transparent compliant with the city policies and aligned with the commission's unanimously adopted framework in APRIL of
20 25 this process once again begin APRIL 2025. And the commission adopted the framework, the scope of work and identified what the process would look like. It has been in place since APRIL of 2025 wth the rfp published AUGUST of 2025, close. OCTOBER 3rd. It was reviewed last month by by evaluation group that consisted of how it was directed by the commission. With both COUNCILMAN Councilmember Lee and Johnson number, my office being represented city staff's and the selected appoint a commission mmber from the commission. Unfortunately, this version of the resolution that appears in today ad today's agenda was introduced
about Mike Ordination. In fact, our office was completely left of the process. And we were not aware that it was going to be on the agenda. The reparation staff lead and the commission itself were not notified that this is going to something that we That's the reason why there has been so much confusion and questions around the matter. It also does not reflect the legal and procedural guidance that we have received. Fire city attorneys or by CHAIRMAN Process. I is my to save the council's aware of that. Because that kind came directly from the city attorney's office and from procurement staff. The city's director of operations has already documented the communications timeline to confirm that staff and commission members known where we are in the process, how they follow the Mut steps. However, contradictory resolution was introduced without guidance without that information and honestly has
created so much confusion for staff and for my community. It poses a real legal financial and procedural risk that if left uncorrected jeopardize entire For those reasons, I'm actually going to be moving a motion to approve version. 2 resolution, 25, 17. 28. This version reaffirms the authority and leadership of the reparations commission and it's got process. It aligns with what the city attorneys and became a staff have given us directly to protect the integrity of the process. But most importantly, I ensures that the promise that we made to the commission that we have appointed. Tat we will hold true to the 225 timeline and the funding commitments that they have asked us since APRIL to do with the comprehensive
report. My intent here is not to slow this process but to safeguard it to work with so many of the people that built this process and something that's actually been led entirely by identifying commission members who supported and all you do identify review team. It's identifying staff. And for the first time in Saint Paul's history to identifying council members to leave this work. I want to take the time to say thank you to all of those did write and about This is not something that I genuinely appreciate doing. Was given no choice when I wasn't when I was foot from a process that I've been involved in I took office. My doors remain open to any individual organization that would like to move forward in that discussion to review the timeline to talk
about this process. My ultimate goal remains the same. We appointed a town commission that commission has spoken. The chair of that commission, the chair of the report has also shared, but their desires are true, too, ensuring that this harm report has not slowed. But the process has been in place as put forth and moved Ford by this body and that they will be the end of that will be the body that will continue to advise us work moving forward. That is why bring in for that motion. And I approval of version 2 resolutions. 25 7.28 thanks Johnson. So the motion is for version 2. That is already in legistar. Yes, that's correct. All right. Discussion on the motion is Council PRESIDENT. I respectfully would ask that we have a discussion on version
wines. I do appreciate Councilmember Johnson. Giving her contacts around version 2. But as the sponsor of this resolution and this resolution was driven. Why guided by our city attorney, our county attorney and also back repairman. This was not something that came left field. It was very transparent. And I share Councilmember Johnson and also what other council members, particularly about resolution answered. This resolution also have been reviewed and support. Of the reparations commissioners and their public comments is also record. Resolution have also have been in conversations and engaged by the chair and also the the chair of the subcommittee for the rfp. I think it will jst do it justice and to this
process, justice, if we have the opportunity to truly examine version wine, I don't think we should circumvent a process that does not give the attention to their original version that was submitted. So I will be voting down on that for us a half a critical and honest and necessary conversation about this resolution that I had sponsored. Thanks Israeli. There is a motion to table perversion to entertain further discussion of that motion. And this, Billy, I think this is also the opportunity to discuss version one in response to version 2 that way. Folks who on route for Russian one can go down version 2 and then and then vote for version. One. So I'm looking to see if you or others have additional comments. I think procedurally, you
know, we can talk about which versions be want to vote but I think procedurally we have staff here that can also to insight on this because I'm not sure that the council is 12 years about the harm study the harm. So he has not even came to our to our to our guests, even the review. And I think it's really important that as we have our deputy director here, also I see we have chair here and we have the chair of the subcommittee here and we at the time to be able to ask them questions about this process. For the discussion. And police point their questions for staff entertainment as well. Ms Johnson. Thank you. I I respect. Just want to respond to some
of the pieces that were shared. The I know that staff has actually been able to brief and a council member offices multiple fronts. But I just wanted to director. I would love for you to just share the If if you hve any staff communication that you'd like to clarify on the timelines o of report, how it's come so far since they started both the approval process of the actual scope of work APRIL and then the rfp process open and closure dates for clarification. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT And council member council members. So report rfp timeline you much before AUGUST 2024, but in AUGUST 2020 for the Reparations Commission had the first official action by recommending funding for sport
reports study and associated budget allocation of $500,000. - Later, several months later, the city Council in DECEMBER 2024, and inappropriate Budget amount of 250,000 set aside for to advance the reparations work, including the home report then beginning in JANUARY through MARCH, there was ongoing coordination with the reparations commission about the next steps for rfp development. There's also coordination within the city. In MARCH, direct deputy director of procurement briefed the reparations Commission on the rfp process requirements. And next steps in MAY 2025, I also briefed the reparations commission on
the upcoming rfp publication in JUNE 2025. Veronica Byrd, our legislative aide to the Reparations Commission, provided an update to council and the reparations commission began drafting draft rfp document. This was voted on in JULY 2025. And then Veronica updated the reparations commission again on the quiet period of the rfp. And and then early AUGUST, there is e-mail correspondence from Veronica Byrd to the full City Council on the draft p we separately solicited feedback on all parts of the rfp that was going to be published. The rfp was published in late AUGUST near the end of SEPTEMBER due to low response rates. The rfp submission
deadline was extended. So in in both cases, those deadlines were communicated included correspondents to all council members and the reparations commission OCTOBER early, OCTOBER 2025, the rfp officially closed on OCTOBER and then then we moved into the next step of reviewing submitted rfps. Thank you. Director wounds. And I just took their fixation on the on the motion being made forward, MR. Stanko can you also just for the record as well to share when a motion is being made for that motion would have to be voted on as is. Yeah, a motion before She ok, thank you. And ask my colleagues let's keep our discussion short if we can. We have a lot of folks here for a lot of other matters. So some Israeli.
Yes, thank you. I just want make it very plain. I do appreciate. City Council director Jay Williams provide context. It's so my awareness time. Many of the council members here is the first time they're even hearing about that process. It's of my awareness tat any of the commissioners who have wrote letters that they were not even aware of the process, they were not aware of the timeline. They have never even seen a r p they did not even provide input into that rfp. And I think, you know, I'm this is not to point fingers around the process. I think the process could have been goading and solid but the outcomes as what what I'm basing this off of my reaction and the reason why there is a
resolution on this agenda is because how is it that we are having a hard study report as based off of reparations, but yet the communities has been most impacted are not even made aware engaged in that process. And they have stated that very loud and clear. Just a couple meetings. We just had a library board meeting where Reese heard about the strong partnership of Haleigh to Brown being the life of the community and how they are a strong partner, particularly with providing library services. But yet they are not a partner with this reparations commission. We also have heard from the African American Leadership Council, which is a body that's representative of naacp, Saint Paul in the way
cp, the most historic Black legacy organization in this city and they are not part of the process. They are not even aware of the process. There even engage. How is it that we have also have the Saint Anthony Development Corporation that is like the heart of Rondo making sure building housing and affordable housing economic development Rondo and they are not made aware about this process. They're not even made aware about the rfp. This was dollars a quarter million of public dollars of taxpayers dollars that was posed to be invested and driving a process that has outcomes that benefit the tenants of chattel slavery. But yet all organizations that represent that community and serve that
community was not made aware of it. Now, as a council member who represents rhino born or racing Rondo in very important that even the council member who is part of this not take is that or race so we can move forward with a community-driven process and have a better process where the very people are driving this were in our subject matter expertise, part of this work be part of that process or we can continue perpetuating harm. And we our point of in the name of the reparations study by having a process that literally community is. Clearly have said they have not been engaged. They are not
driving this process. And I want to make very, very clear the reason why I wrote this reparations versus new wrote this resolution. I did not want this conversation to be in a public display. I tried hard to work with council member I just even I have text messages. Screenshots texting Councilmember Jackson saying, hey, I have concerns about the inadequate outreach. Would you be interested being a reissuing this rfp? She text me back saying thank you. I agree. But something got lost in the the translation. When I brought this skews directors attention and brought this also the cordinator less than a year and a covered have brought it to my attention that there was rfp that went
open and close. And when I asked what happened, what was engagement I didn't get anything. No satisfaction Arie that I can actually go back to my community and say and a quarter million dollars that we dedicated to track the work of this reparations commission does not benefit you in does not include you. I can't do that. I can't d that. Thanks for Israeli. I see a couple other hands and then I think we're going to call for a As seeing and the best present. I think council PRESIDENT. Well, first, I want to say thank customer Bowie and counselor Johnson for. All of your comments and and really your hard work on the reparations commission here. This is a project that is is highly valued by the council here, which is why there was seen it yet. Unanimous support for it. And also to put funding into this
very important work, too. I will make very quick comments by sharing that I will be supporting version to you. I as an reflecting on it. Mean, just thinking about the comments, the public comments that came through there was support for version 2 from strong support for from from the commissioners who currently serve on the and the React. Committee Reparations Commission. And so I feel comfortable with that. But I do want to note that it is really unsettling. Just hearing the conversation that's being unfolded here. And I am concerned about but we are hearing. I think that it's really important for the council to if it's revisit this conversation with our staff directly and also just really have more oversight of
on the commission overall. Thanks present. I just. echo lot of the comments made McClain's on the side of the table. And I think for me personally, this isn't actually the first time that I've been aware of the harm study of front along. I think pretty well in terms of understanding when this bill was potentially coming to council kind of what the impact could be, the scope of the and also who was included in that decision. So I'm gonna call the question. All right. There's a motion to call the question. Yes, you need 5 people to vote in favor to call the question which ends debate and takes up. It's okay. Let's not call the all in favor. Sy Aye. Aye. All opposed. 6 a favor. One opposed being councilmember believe that. Discussions. So the motion is for the amendments inversion to take a vote on the amendments and we'll take a vote on the. entire resolution as
amended by version 2 as adopted. So the first mission is for version 2. All in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed notes. 6 favor. One opposed being councilmember believe the amendment is approved and we. 2, my purse and motion. Ladies and gentlemen, it's all happening right here live. So we will not take a motion on the entire resolution as amended in version 2 Let's take a motion understand. So the book, but we jst took plus minutes. We still have not yet heard about version. We have version. One. We've adopted version 2 Emancipation. Motion to version 2. All in favor say Aye. Discussion. Point.
Discussion. Thank you, council PRESIDENT. I also wanted to share that there. I want actually version 3. Because I think right now from my colleagues and I only heard of 2 other wines. And I think everyone had a chance to actually review the public comment. I would like to move a version 3 that gives the council a fleet to review the rfp because I think there is a really important and that we all where voting in supporting of. I think it's really important to know how we're going to be spending $250,000 to do a study that not been informed by the community. That is Hull actually serving. Thank you, MISS. But we we
have a motion on the table for the amended resolution that we need to adopt. If there's a version, another resolution that needs to be coming later, we can do that. But right now we don't have a version 3 in front of us. We have a motion table that we need to afford it. Any further discussion of that motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed. N. 6 a favor. One opposed. The resolution is adopted as amended. Item. 18 is resolution. 25 Dash 17. 0, operate from the city to enter into a memorandum of understanding with men that regarding the reconstruction of Robert Street Napoles Street and Kellogg So this is an item that I'm actually gonna speak briefly about with item that comes right after
it. This is really big moment for West Side community. This is authorizing municipal consent for the Robert Street Reconstruction. Critical Thruway and part of our community on the West side, something that has needed this. Reconstruction for many reasons, pedestrian safety, trees, vibrancy, sidewalks, and the road. The condition itself for many years, my colleagues will probably remember that we had an in-depth conversation public hearing about at a month ago and heard a great deal is from the community, especially demands for a Robert Street Accountability Task Force primary among them. So the first item here is authorizing us to enter into you with men that to, among other things, established that task force. And that task force actually
has already. We got to meet. So thank you in advance are actually thank you for doing it to our partners who are here for being part of that. And thank you to West Side community organization want is here and with her leadership and West Coast leadership we have created, I think a really wonderful process in task force. The rest of you calls for the designed to accommodate future uses of sidewalk cafes and sidewalk seating, which is something that was really important to the community to commit. Men died in the city to having a construction staging workshop to make sure we work with small area businesses to talk about options for construction staging that are the least impactful to their to their business. And then finally about the city amended to coordinate detours and schedules for large events to
make sure that we're doing our best to keep this. As low impact as a road reconstruction. That hasn't happened in many, many decades can possibly be. So with that, I would move first And then after that will consent to and again, thank you so much to me that to West going Monica and to our staff for all their work on this. Any discussion of the motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye in 7 favor nor opposed resolution is adopted. Didn't know this, but I'm sorry. 6 a favor. One opposed being councilmember believe the resolution is adopted item. 19 is resolution. 25 Dash 17. 0, 2, Granting municipal consent for men dot project to reconstruct Robert Street from an Apple, a street to Kellogg Boulevard, including the reconstruction of the viaduct
south of Cesar Chavez Boulevard. And I would again approval. Any discussion of the motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. All opposed. No concern that we that was ok, 7 in favor. No one opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item. 20's resolution 25 16 79 honoring Saint Paul Veterans on Veterans Day NOVEMBER. 11th 2025 and I would love to welcome Tom Miller from Veterans and Play Resource Network group 2. Times a year. If you don't mind, I'd love to just give you a few moments. Just introduce yourself for the record. Let us know a little bit more about Then we'll take action on the resolution that come up and read a little bit of it and get time for comments. But please go ahead. Good afternoon. Council PRESIDENT Members of the City
Council. I just real quick. My name is Mike Love us work Department of Emergency Management. A major in the Army National Guard been in for over. 22 proud to serve in the city for the city with the city, all with many other veterans of all the branches of service, including this fine, retired senior chief petty officer over here. And we do great work for the city and we're very proud to be recognized as we come up on Veterans Day and what it all means us is veterans our nation. And frankly, the world as it was Armistice Day originally. So thank you for this opportunity. The the group or network is is a great group of veterans who come together to support each other
in the city as we work behalf of all the people in and around teaching Bll. Thank you. Go Navy beat Army. Yeah. Tell. Brown City attorney's just for the record. The overall city council has because with so there's opportunity Appreciate the support. As well as the fellows that students Thank you. And thank you so much for everything that burn does. And in addition to your full time, jobs taking the time to make sure honoring and recognizing our veterans not just on Veterans Day next Tuesday, but every day. And there's a flag disposal box in my office and the council liaison for burn and in many other locations in the city and many other about take place as a result of your
efforts. And thank I will move the resolution and then I would love to see if there's any discussion and then I will just go down and read a benefit to them about. So any discussion of the motion. As you and then Johnson. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. Well, I want to say thank you for your service and thank you for coming back every year to honor Veterans Day, I still remember when you all made a video and they photos of all of our city staff who served to Andrew Veterans. And it's just so moving to see the work that you all have done for our country and how you continue to contribute in public service in our city as well. You make our a wonderful place and you strengthen us tonight. Residents with thank you for your very hard work. Thank you as saying Johnson. And my comments. Are they similar? Keep that brief that
simply just say thank you for bringing this forward. Thank you for allowing councils to shed light being able to thank PRESIDENT Will be here and thank you for their service as well. It's important to make sure that we're making time to do so. So we appreciate any time to be able to do that. Appreciated being able to sponsor and supporter Askew and it's really important to bring it back this year. So thank you for your service in the queue for your commitment. Thank you. I think it's somewhat common. Oh, no, should Yet feel free my colleagues. And thank you both for your service. Open invitation. Okay. So there's further discussion of the motion. We have a go down and read it for a second. And then was As I do this. I just want let folks know that there's nothing wrong with the 2 benches right here. They are Suffolk, Lisa, double audible. Feeling like you don't stand
any more for you coming over it all. Whereas the Saint Paul City Council recognizes with deep respect the veterans and military personnel who exemplify a legacy of service dedication and commitment to protecting our shared rights and freedoms. And whereas Veterans Day provides an opportunity to honor all who have served in the uniform services, recognizing the diversity of their experiences and the dedication with which they've served our nation and communities. Whereas the city of Saint Paul recognizes the ongoing work to ensure the inclusion and acceptance of our military personnel and veterans as part of an equitable city vision. It also bodies the shared ideals of liberty and justice for all. Skipping just a little bit, whereas the city of Saint Paul
established the veteran military employee resource network burn to recognize and support the incredible contributions of our veterans and military personnel. Whereas we honor the courage, sacrifice and dedication of served his commitment strengthen our nation. Communities and the cause of peace around the world. And whereas the city of Saint Paul, appreciate families, friends, agencies and employers who support our veterans and military police throughout this great city. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Saint Paul City Council publically honors all veterans and military personnel for their dedication and sacrifice and service on Veterans Day NOVEMBER. 11th 2025. Let's take a vote just to make it official. All in favor say aye. All 7, if they were no one opposed. The resolution is
adopted. I know 21 resolution. 25 17, 17 honoring city clerk Sherrie where for nearly 4 decades dedicated public service to the residents of Saint Paul. You know sometimes they say this is the moment you've all been waiting for. This is the moment we have hope. But never, ever, ever come accept it for Sherri Moore impossible to imagine the city of Saint Paul, without you. I'll say more once every the resolution because all start kind keep looking at you. But I know that I'm not speaking just for myself there. There are so many people in this room. Sure here for you, Sherri and who are? Full of gratitude full of love full of the impasse ability of imagining the city in this work without us. Going to be resolution that open it up for comments from my
colleagues and This resolution says a lot, but barely scratches the surface. Honoring Sherri Moore for her dedicated public service. Sharing more has dedicated her entire career to public service at the city of Saint Paul, beginning in 1987. As a video production assistant and the council cable office where she helped televised city council meetings and was recognized in JUNE 1993. As council cable employee of the month That was a joke by some sense of so we don't let Cheri per for the resolution that would change the And whereas Sherry then moved to the city's information, a complaint office because she one of our excitement where she helped residents navigate government departments and processes to address their concerns while also serving as PRESIDENT Of her union. And where Sherry become the city's acting city
clerk in 2005. And in addition to her many responsibilities, she served as the host clerk for the 2005 International Institute of Municipal Clerks, annual held in same pot. And whereas Sherry was appointed Saint Paul City clerk in 2006 serving with distinction for 20 years, the skill, integrity and professionalism, ensuring the fair, accurate and Transparent administration of the City Council's legislative process and ministering countless oaths of office to elected and appointed officials. Raise your hand if you were sworn in by Sherri Moore. Just look around And compelling the many other essential duties of the clerk's office. And whereas Sherry was instrumental in modernizing council operations leading the transition from paper agendas and materials. In twenty-twenty for just
getting us. To a fully digital system through legistar and streamlining the process for preparing files for council consideration. And whereas the her involvement in professional organizations as former board member of the imc current member of the imc Foundation board member of the League of Minnesota Cities, Human Resources and Data Practices Committee. Sherry introduce innovations like Granicus and its digital tools enabling the city to be more responsive and transparent, particularly during the pandemic. And where is a nearly 4 decades at the city of Saint Paul Sherry work with 49 Council members. You think 7, that's a lot and 6 mayoral administrations holding fond memories of the many robust debates tat unfolded in the council chambers over resolutions and ordinances
shaping the city's future. Occasionally accompanied by the unexpected distraction of an escaped gorilla. Or a public testify or with a sugar glider inside her shirt. We'll have to hear more about this and where Sherry's leadership kind gidance and steady presence have earned her the respect and admiration of colleagues across government and wheres her judgment. Wisdom and humor have left an enduring mark on the city council itself. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Saint Paul City Council honors the career city clerk Sherrie more expresses gratitude for her decades of service and extends warm wishes and her retirement be it further resolved that the Saint Paul City Council here by proclaims Wednesday, NOVEMBER 5th 2025. Sherry, more day, the city of Saint Paul.
Any discussion on the motion? Macomb is Jo Stinnett on some of this It's just. Council PRESIDENT I'm going for said. And it's wonderful I just have to say was a new council member in historic all-woman city council. It was just one of the biggest moments my life. I didn't know what to expect. You stood there by us and helped guide us every step of the way. And to that stage of the order, we so many people watching us. You know, did. And I just remember pretty m hand on my taxes manual. And can just stare at sure the whole time that he's going to get me through And I just want to thank you for that. And from the moment that started here on. You've really helped me step into this role and understand what what this role
looks like. And I've learned learned so much from you. I think my predecessor, Chris Tolbert, who is here, would agree that the see that the diocese, the best seat in the house to get to sit next to you. I know you get to 2, but it's your of a busy there. And I I just, you know, learn so much from you like I said that I probably haven't even realize yet. As a fellow Viking span, I just really appreciated, you know, sharing the fandom with you and you welcoming need into into this role and into city Hall. And I also can't imagine with the school be like. Without you, but I happy for you and I wish you the
best in entertainment. Thank you so much. MR. Johnson. I pause for I personally think that. Thing I want to share that I will always respect about what you Sherry as the the wealth and knowledge that you hold at times who are educating council members who are educating city attorneys. You are basically sharing just the process as you've seen that play out for many, many years, that historical context, that something that can be replicated. It's learned multiple administrations through multiple councils, but it's something that can be trusted. Each time we ask the question their e-mails that I purposefully just because I think you will getting the right information you know, you're you know yourself, but you also genuinely operating in a way that I feel what felt
was really genuinely had for council members. Joining last year. Addition that, the onboarding and just bringing people out to speed. So make sure that we know it today. There's been multiple times throughout the year that I watch comes PRESIDENT Turns to the left and that turn to the and then turned back to the left to come that. You know what is being shared? And I think that that's because truly, you know, there's nothing a woman who knows her stuff. This morning. You are a woman knows stuff and as major impact on the council and it's been an honor to serve beside you. And seeing and the best present. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. Well, Cheri, I'm really gonna MISS Working with yu. I
believe you truly embody what we want a government and politics to be all about when when I think about all my memories with you, I think about kindness, your intelligence, you're so wise and you always have a smile on your face. No matter if we are dealing with the malls, difficult stuff in front of us or if it's very joyful moments. And you know, to me both that's what I know if I was somebody who was coming into city hall here China to, you get help like I would want to when I meet somebody like every step of the way and like you have done that for for all of the council members, all of the elected officials you have have supported. And when I think about government and politics, me, I think mind to actually goes to the people who w always see at the very front, you know, the ones who are louder at the microphone
and and being outspoken. But the ones who most important are the ones are like you, who are the nuts and bolts to our work. Who do the ground work and really keep all of us together. And so I can't say enough how you have been clue. Not just for this council here, but for all the people who have been at this table before. And I want to say thank you for your work because for decades in public service is it is a very long time. But it also. Showcases the commitment and love that you have for community. And I hope that when you think back to all of this year's you serve tier you know, you received you have received a love tenfold and that you are able to go into retirement during all that. All of the things that you have been wanting to do for a very long So thank you for all the good work. Its present.
We'll see if I get to So I many, many years ago was sworn in on the planning commission and it is one of the only Sherri Moore got in her car that morning and made it halfway to work and was like I'm actually really sick turned But I would have had the distinct pleasure of being sworn in twice by Sherri Moore. But luckily for me and I was I think much more for me. I get to work with you twice once as the former. La to the council PRESIDENT Announced a council member you are as my colleagues have described the steady hand. But you're also the heart of this office like. Part of you, insert of everything tat we touch here at the table like your imprint on our community and the city of Saint Paul, us
is very abundantly clear. And I hope that you walk away feeling just proud of those accomplishments included proud of the legacy that you leave. For us. Millions of viewers a home in the chambers. There's a part of our agenda that we get to where you can kind of feel we get into this good groove. And the former council PRESIDENT Would affectionately call it the Sherri Moore show. And and I. I'm going to MISS You a Thank you so much for your years of service. But most importantly for me, thank you. For the many years of friendship you've provided incredibly sage advice for me both as very wily la and now hopefully has a little more seasoned councilmember, thanks to you so and looking frward to seeing you more socially
them professionally. And congratulations on your retirement. I'm gonna MISS You want. That's common. Thank Keep this short since I have only had the privilege of working with you for 2 months, but I will sy 2 things. The first is that. When you look for nasty retirement that I had not heard about it, somebody walked into my office looking more shellshocked than anybody has walked into sherry's. Thing. And that sentiment has been echoed so many times by so many people in this building where like you don't even know. But we're going to be missing when retires. It's going to be devastating well, I hope and trust that you have laid a very strong foundation for us to continue on with the nuts and bolts of the and it is just it is so universally
acknowledged how important you are to the city and to this council into the work that we're doing here. And I feel a couple to been able to overlap. And I hope you have just the absolute best retirement because it seems very clear that you write that. And it's going this Council. PRESIDENT Sherry say I hope feels I hope you just remember and think about this day. It's not too often that people get to build career. If they see so many right leaders yet seen decades. The same councils history. And I just want say I appreciate you bringing a human. Aspect of the work that you do. I appreciate your kindness. I appreciate your grace. And I also appreciate. No, you You working with me. I particularly I remember first coming in and 2 office
and we're planning our swearing. And and I remember I was like no disrespect, Sherry, but the chief justice wants us where me do that. had to learn really quick about the process and procedures and, you know, staying within those processes and procedures. But I do appreciate how you're so informative and how you live in. Really, truly your massive brain trust. to last. you know, when I think about good governance and how we ensure that people, it's acessible to everyone. I think you had role to play with that. Making sure modernizing our processes and making it more user friendly. And I just appreciate, you know, being part of that legacy and he's
having this opportunities for our or pass across to be able to give you your flowers. Thank you. MISS It's really hard to follow all that. And I everything I think has ben said, I will just add Sherry the work that we do always feels. A little bit fluid. There's. Relationships. There's politics. There's discussion back and forth, especially on Wednesday. Things feel very stressful and very messy and often in this work, I find that just kind of want to know what is te rule. What is the law? What is the bedrock that all of this is supposed to be based on because ultimately that is grounding and you are the law. scary way. But you are the rule you, you know what is what? And every time I turn left and turn right into left
center, right? It's because any grounding and yet you're also able to do that. Is everyone around this table has said. With such kindness and grace and humor. And stories. And more than anything else. Are you? You love being a city You love and you love the city of Saint Paul. And I can't imagine anything better as my colleagues have said, then getting to this point in your career, having worked so hard and since amazing job for something that you love so we have markets we have today. I saw jailed PRESIDENT Council members really tough act to follow, thank you for indulging me. Sherry a you the best in retirement. You're a legend in these halls. And as has been noted, the longest
city clerk the city's ever had think Ukraine for doing that research to confirm it. The city owes you a debt of gratitude and we all do Thank you for the support and the council and the wisdom I'm going to see your smiling face every morning as I walk. And it's something look forward to. And I'm also going to MISS Hearing all the stories, the great stories that you collected over the years. I do have one short story of my own to share before I stepped into the interim director, sat down with our former director Brin house too, wanted to be hre, but And she sends her best. But I sat down with her and during our conversation run game. Your thoughts about working in the role working with the various staff members. And yes, opinion
about the council members and bring comments to me about you were very quick in and boil down share is great. She's the best she's ride or die. Yeah. And at first didn't really know what it meant. But I came to understand Meaning that once earn her trust show be with you until the end it's true. You know, you've earned. Everyone's trust. You know, I hope I've earned that trust with you and I hope to be ride or die for you until the Although I I want to add that I certainly hope this isn't the and that you'll come by and visit. Answer my my voice and we don't know what to do on I just want to say from me and
behalf of staff past and present, thank you. Before we take a that's comments. Te suspended. The right in my life. I could imagine like going any other way. Religious. She said I'd love Saint Paul without playing hurt. And I love being a city clerk. And I love all of you and everyone else. I worked with throughout the years. All my colleagues and from other cities just has been a perfect career and too many people to name. So I just I just want to thank you so much. This means a I think we all wnt to live this resolution over and continue to adopt. It will take a motion from this common for adoption want to just again recognize all the many, many
friends and fans who are here to celebrate Sherry. And I hope all of you will take the time to share your memories and celebrate her. Outside of these chambers and and in many other occasions in the future. And of course, still free to stick around for For me to. All in favor of the motion 7 if they were known opposed resolution is that 22 is final adoption of ordinance. 25 Dash 61. Many chapter 74 of the Legislative Code acting a new section designating the theater Ham Brewing Company. Heritage Preservation District as a heritage preservation site. And that is what is known around here as a hard habit. It's Johnson. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. Yes, genuinely it's hard to like cut yourself. All right. So I just want thank you for being able to go through this process with us. It was
wonderful to hear about. This item and also just to see it come forward from staff from. Community, from all the places you can see in the record and just having a chance to he had a public hearing and have a chance to review the record it stands. I want to just to thank you to the members that took the time to either come in person or submit letters our office right through them. Once again, I think it's really important to review things that come through and been following it as a center and a member of the city Council. I'm deeply honored and excited to support the historic designation of the theater hands for Saint. This landmark is more than a collection of old buildings. It's a corner store in of our city's identity. It's a symbol of resilience and a bridge between the industrial past create a future for generations. Hansberry was one
of the Saint Paul's largest employers and a source of pride on the east side. It's a story that reflected we were as a community. It was heartbreaking. It was innovative that it was committed to reinventing ourselves in the face of change. Even during the prohibition, when many years to close pants found a way to survive prison, soft drinks, other goods. That adaptability speaks volumes to how that's why constantly adapted to the Times. What excites me the most about the site is that it continues to fall. The transformation of part of this campus and 2 same parade and a future of economic and housing opportunities also shows that it's being that preservation and progress continues to go hand in hand. The future, even the excitement surrounding the potential having affordable
housing on the site. Is true proof that we're honoring the history by continuing to to fuel this feature and also added to it by designating him areas. A historic landmark for not just protecting buildings were preserving the stories that people built in the city saving old buildings that truly need a lot tender loving care. Honestly. And with that comes with expenses that comes with ensuring that. Folks who are invested in our community are invested in our city. You know that that legacy and that generation is important to do it. With you know, I will be moving the motion to to adopt a to find out to prove the final adoption part because I think we owe it to our community. This is housing and Redevelopment Authority project that for the last 20 years it's touched 4 Ward, 7 council members before council Berlin Tree. Count them are
funny Council member, prince and now our office as well. And I think it's a sign that there is a future that deserves. This is a nation that deserves this investment and I am looking forward to being able to work on this project. You want to bring this forward because as I before, the future of the site is housing. And I think this is a poud symbol of that. And it's a sign that we're continuing the legacy of him site and we're definitely needs it now. And moving past the same for moving into what could be the future. Thank you. Johnson and I neglected to say during transition, a hard pivot we are entering the ordinance section of our agenda. All of our ordinances have 3 readings. And we sort of take them in reverse order. So anything before us for final adoption,
which this is has already had at least 2 previous readings. At the first reading we get a staff report to understand what we're looking at. The second reading. We typically usually the second reading we have a public hearing, sometimes that's extended. Hear from the public about the item. And then finally at at the last reading, are the final adoption? We're looking at taking a vote on the item. So anything that Johnson was just talking about this number. 22 has already gone through that entire process. And you're going to be seeing in a moment, some other ordinances that are just starting or at different stages of that process. So thank you for coming to your motion. Is Johnson this motion for adoption? Any further discussion? Seeing none all in favor say Aye. 7 favor opposed
the ordinance is adopted. Item. 23 is first reading of ordinance. 25 Dass 66. Creating chapter for 20 of the Legislative code establishing regulations for the registration of cannabis and hemp businesses creating chapter for 28 of the legislative code, establishing a permit requirement and process for temporary cannabis events and section 3.10, want to add a definition for cannabis fees. And because this is a first reading, we will have staff reports. Welcome, Nikolic. Thank you before again and I say Sherry, tank you. He's been at there at the end of an email and voicemail, especially te urgent and So thank you so much. We will MISS Very much. Appreciate your service to city of Saint Paul. So thank you. Council PRESIDENT Council members. Good afternoon. My name is Dan Depp. Fact, for the Department Safety
Inspections. I thank you for the It for me to present today. And this here is ordinance related to cannabis polar Pouncey have credible businesses in the city of Saint Paul. For most of you, this is gonna be a refresher. We talked about a couple of months ago at a organizational study session where there we learned that the Minnesota statute, 3, 4, 2, provides cities, the ability to adopt and enforce ordinances related to cannabis and Laura funds. He have had a ball businesses but only specific aspects of it. A lot of is controlled by statute, but we do have some small niches that we will take advantage of in terms of making sure it's tailored to the city of Saint Paul currently last year, you adopted zoning code amendments of where these uses are permitted today before your
considerations are 2 things. One is the registration of Canada's a lower point. He had had a ball retail establishments as well basically events temporary cannabis events. So those are the 2 items for poor ordinance amendments before you enters a city registration is start. A statute requires that any Laura Ponce have had a or cannabis business that has retail operation to be registered with the sample before engaging in sales and therefore, before you are Susan Ordinance amendments, explain the registration process, the fees the 4 spent required registration. The city of Sint Paul, given much of the ordinance is based on statute language. Lot language you see is based on a model ordinance that came from the
Office of Cannabis Management. This includes standards for acceptance in denial, required youth compliance checks and required fees all set by statute. There are 2 significant city determination, which is a number of businesses allowed as well as the hours of operation. We are proposing no cap the number of businesses. And I terms of hours we're recommending that align with off sale liquor with the exception being for those with it on sale, liquor license, they're ours would be what their liquor license hours would be. So really trying to lie for the customer, for the business, a commonality that people sort of know what the hours are going to be. In terms of temporary cannabis events. Minnesota's statue
requires that any kind of this event organizer received approval from the sea prior to the of that what's before you is where point proposing ordinance amendment that would establish a permit for temporary cannabis events to served as local approval. So much we do for a variety of things lke temporary liquor permits, the secluded this the ordinance language includes the process requirements, fees and enforce been related to the permit. Once again, a lot of this is established in state statute. So lets get is from a model ordinance. But Henry, some of the things that are in statute just to sort of go over? One limiting entrance for those wo are 21 years of age and over the event cannot be longer than 4 days. Hindsight consumption during of then must not be visible to
Jason public space and no consumption of alcohol at the event. The city's specific ordinance amendment aligned with temporary on sale liquor event. So once again tailoring city part of it or if they fly, think what we have for on sale liquor licenses and that deals with the number you could have at a location, the frequency and the powers that the events can occur. S with that, I'll take any questions. Just challenge. And as Mr in job mentioned, we did have a policy session on this topic. Folks are somewhat familiar with what's being proposed. But any questions for staff. All right, seeing none. Thank you so much. Thank you. And is late Overton of ever to file for second reading public hearing. Item. 24 is first reading of ordinance. 25 de 67 amending chapter one 70 point 0, 2, of the legislative cde to allow the director of parks
and recreation to adjust the hours of certain parks to accommodate for park use during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. And we will have a staff report items. 24 to 28 are all of a kind. They're all about creating something of a green light district allowing things to happen normally wouldn't. Be allowed that much more extensive permitting to increase vibrancy in the city during the world. Juniors iq Championship. So like first, I want to he and Deputy Mayor Jaime Tincher for her leadership and proposing these. I'm hopeful that all goes well, we can use this sort of green light district for other times as well increased vibrancy. But director, we see welcome. And if you wouldn't mind giving us a brief update on 24 to 28. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT And had a visual that I don't into this
computer. it's not necessary. Yes, we have 5 separate ordinances. If these are considered temporary, they're just during the world juniors duration. But because of how our city charter established, we actually have to make ordinance changes that just specify the duration that change applies to. So they are the gentleman ordinance changes. I think the one that you'll that is unique is for liquor service were actually also believing one from it actually says like the World Cup, which was not in Saint Paul, by te way, it misstated and how it was approved has an ordinance. But we're actually believing that as part of this ordinance adoption because it
no longer applies so that 5, everyone's sidewalk. Houston, by the way, I been full support and cooperation and I'm representing here are Parks director Amy Rodriguez and our public works. Director. Russia. Also, as you mentioned, council PRESIDENT Full support of Mayor Carter and Deputy Mayor 10 sure what we're calling a permit holiday and the I think the mayor like almost danced when I suggested that we do this and happy that our city attorney's office was able to do a quick turnaround and these so that we could get them in place in a flexible fi world juniors, which is a very tight timeline. If you do your math on this. So the first one is able to find a year just just Not I sent it to make. That's okay. No big deal. Try to pull it up. Just a pretty Where a site like you that is the downtown entertainment district, which is a defined
area of downtown. There b a blanket approval sidewalk, usages, lies and minimum with the 40 inches is maintained We also are interested in doing something with signage. Unfortunately, for the timing of this, we were able to do that since requires going to the planning commission first. But we are still interested in working with our downtown businesses signage and making sure that the corridors vibrant. For sound in again in the just the downtown entertainment district, a blanket allowance for up to 90 decibels. Between the hours of 09:00am and 10:00pm. For tenants in the downtown entertainment district. There'd be no fee for any tent permits under 1500 square feet. They still have to apply for one way. We know where they all are. And if there's a
wind event or a snow event for, we need to make sure that we get out and do some safety inspections. We know where they are. Some of the other things associated with the tents will still require permits such as to pray. Propane, which you might think makes sense to still make sure that we're we're looking at all of those. Parks hours will be available as just did based kind of the events that are happening in the area. And then would be posted at. The park. And that's also citywide. And then there's an interest and also in having a lot of public art in the space and that is doesn't need an ordinance change. Just wanted to here that will be handled administratively and some of those temporary our installations that we expect
to come forward for will And last but not least is our liquor service both the hours of operation and expansion. So we. We do have to know where they are because we have certain requirements to make sure that we're in line with state law. But our restaurants are able to expand to both Sunday hours and to 02:00am. It's has a tour licensed. Nothing changes for them. And secondly expand. So folks who want expand out to a temporary patio or sidewalk or during the during which a to do so under there. This ordinance amendment. That's thank you, director. We will make sure that we get the pretty picture email to all of us before final adoption in case it is a make or break for a decision on this issue.
really appreciate that. People work hard and those things, so make sure we all appreciate. And I think the main high-level sounds like we're trying to make it possible. Have a lot o fun and our wonderful downtown Saint Paul at a time when we're going to have lots of visitors and we wanted to be at its best for visitors and residents and employees that a lot of permitting. Thank you. Questions for Not seeing any. And we're just gonna go through all of these and with them over the next week, one of the time. So thank you so much. Stricter. Te ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 per second reading public hearing. I do 25 first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 68 amending section 106, point. '01, of the legislative code to allow businesses in the
downtown entertainment district to temporary allow items in the right of way without a sidewalk, use permit during the 2025 World Hockey Championship Junior hockey championships. This ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 per second reading public hearing item. 26, as first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 69 amending section 2.93. Point, 0, 2, d of the legislative code to remove requirement for so long. Variance in the downtown area tame and district during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. The ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 per second reading public hearing. Item 27, its first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 70 amending Section 4. A 9 that lets code to allow holders of liquor licenses issued under Section
409, to apply for extended service of alcoholic beverages until 02:00am during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. That ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 for second reading public hearing item 20 a's first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 71 amending section. 55 Point 0, 4, a of a legislative code to simplify the requirement for a temporary structure permit during the 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship. The ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 per second reading public hearing. Item. 29 is first reading of ordinance. 25 Dash 76. Creating chapter 2.97 of the legislative code prohibiting the use placement of virtual currency kiosks within the city. This is something that I am very excited to be introducing
today, it's something we've had a policy session on. A lot of work has gone into it. I want to especially recognize my legislative aide making and welcome up to Greenfield to give us the staff report. But the goal here is 02:00am. Really protect our residents in the city of Saint Paul from a predatory scam. This happening at these virtual currency. To know what I'm Welcome. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT Find great field chief policy officer for the City Council. I'm here to provide a very brief overview of the ordinance. That's before First reading that prohibits the placement of the operation of virtual currency. He just in the city of Saint Paul. And as council PRESIDENT Noted, there was a policy committee hearing that covered more the extent of which these
kiosks serve as a conduit for scam in criminal activity that directly harms and impacts citizens of Saint Paul citizens across the United States. Ad ordinances is relatively straightforward in terms of how it addresses a very complicated problem. One in which the state has attempted to address. But has not address the major problem, which is that these just serve as very specific flash point for which criminal activity, the frauds citizens and no amount of disclosure or tapping of a screen or receipt can be as effective as simply removing them from operational prohibiting the so that councils interest in finding a way to protect the people in the city rose from increased reports of criminal activity surrounding virtual currency. And these kiosks, the fbi estimated that in 2024, there were nearly 150,000 complaints referencing cryptocurrency and 9.3 billion dollars in
reported losses. But of these totals, 246 million dollars were reported. Losses connected to fraud or scam transactions specifically tied to kiosks of those key s totals. 1852 victims identified themselves as being in Minnesota and the losses identified by victims in Minnesota towed totaled over 91 million dollars. And the reports from 2024 provided by the fbi are a 99% increase from 2024 to 2023. And the policy Committee session and the extent of the materials that have included in the public record in the staff memorandum prepared by jacket. There is detail about the cryptocurrency or virtual currency criminal activity that has affected the citizens of Saint Paul there in 2024, as reported by the Saint Paul
police in MAY of 2025, there were 4 cryptocurrency scams with atotal of approximately $16,900 reported to have been lost with an overall scam. Count of 15 involving virtual currency in 2025. Again, this was written in MAY of 2025, there have been 2 cryptocurrency scams with a total of 11,000 reported to have been lost with an overall of 8 scams involving virtual currency this year, which only 1200 has been reported as recovered and returned to the victim. So of that about 10%. And if you review the materials that have included more carefully, you'll see that percentage burying itself out after the match up of the state legislation. So, yeah, I do want to get too much given the length of the agenda, but I just want to give a brief high-level review of what these key, a star they are placed in high traffic areas.
They must look much like an atm. They operated by virtual heat. Currency kiosk operators which makes a profit by charging people fees for conducting transactions using these kiosks. He s are primarily used to purchase and or transfer virtual currency. Under state law. There are a variety of disclosures that must be made to a customer who engages in a transaction on the kiosks. What I would say about state statute, though, is that. The kiosks typically defined as an electronic agent of the overall licensee. So the kiosk itself is just a physical entity that facilitates transaction. Itself is not. Meant to be kind of connected to broader part
broader range of financial transactions. And in that a vast majority of the cryptocurrency are virtual currency kiosk simply receive money and allow the purchase of you know, a digital token, which then can b used illicitly. Bye bye for scammers other sources of fraudulent activity. And again, the depth of the nature and extent by which a person can be led down this path has been covered by this committee before. So Idon't don't want to attempt to replicate that testimony. MAY 14th. Council heard quite a considerable amount of the emotional damage that it can rack when a person has been essentially extorted by a scammer and they are directed towards this atm as the way to convert their dollar currency into something that then can be simply untraceable or last into the
digital space. So at with that high level contacts and I'm happy to answer more specific provide just a very brief overview of what the ordinance does. It prohibits any person from hosting are operating a kiosk in the city of Saint Paul are for allowing a ne ks transaction transactions take place in the city. No, this doesn't prohibit virtual currency transactions as a whole simply transactions that occur within the kosks. The ordinance does not ban business activity from conducting with virtual currency, only prohibits activity that involves chaos and he s transactions and the penalty is the same as any violation of a legislative code, which is a criminal misdemeanor. But first, this ordinance was drafted after, you know, before the results of referendum. But of course, there the adult turn into that
was considered by this council and opted not to be the direction of the ordinance is a more licensing round for these kiosks. Instead, the council is simply seeking to and the operation and the use and the placement of these costs within the city. Thank you so much, MR. Green come for that overview. Any questions for Mr can come in just one more comment questions. Okay. Thank you so much. I want to Recognize I think prt of the reason for giving that extra information here is because part of this is we want to raise public awareness of the level of these scams that are targeting, especially seniors and especially low-income folks and folks in incarcerated and their family members in our community. And this has been on news quite a bit since we had our first policy session on this topic. But we want to use every
opportunity to raise awareness. I also want to recognize that shortly after we had a policy session on this topic in MAY. City attorney. Mean, Gabby Compean, who is here today. You can get around the place. You'll see why. Gabby was a customer at a gas station and actually noticed 2 elderly victims who appeared to be in distress, trying to move 100. And 25 $1000 from their bank account to a fraudster on the telephone. By using one of these virtual currency kiosks of that, which their roughly 32 in the city of Saint Paul. Got the call 9-1-1, and work with staff at the store to convince the couple who are in their late 70 is that they were being defrauded. They believe that the man on the telephone was an agent fr the Federal Trade Commission and the faster convinced them that
they would lose all of their money unless they transferred it to him. The elderly couple were literally one press of the button away from losing their life savings. Irretrievably, but their Gabby's quick work that ws averted. Thank you so much. We're trying to do today is get these cats out of Saint Paul. So that can happen ever again, MR. Drink and I know for the record tat these statistics very, very likely an undercount because of the shame and the stigma associated with losing your money being deceived. Especially in communities where, you know, there MAY not be this might be a very high percentage of their savings to report that to law enforcement attempt to ban track it down when they MAY not have the familiarity with the current year. This MAY be their first point contact with with this
virtual currency. I think you know, reaffirmed b all the stories like Gabby's intervention that are showing that, you know, the first time that not much of our population touches this virtual currency are these kiosks. It's at the point of fraud being defrauded being extorted being a victim of criminal activity. Thank you so much. All right. With that. This is laid over to Denver, 12 per second reading public hearing. a public hearing of ordinance. 25 dash 59. Many chapters 60 63. 65 66. 67 69, legislative code has recommended that traditional neighborhood t district zoning study. This brings us to the public hearing section of or agenda. So just some notes for those who are here for a public hearing and have made
it been waiting for some time for that public hearing. When we call your item, we ask you if you're here to testify on that item. That you at lineup, both sites. And when it's your turn, just come standing between the 2 microphones at the front. Yu don't need to adjust them. They should pick up your voice. Just fine. You'll have 2 minutes to testify which goes quite quickly. Say your name and where you're coming from to start. And then you'll have 2 minutes. And my job is to keep time. And it is not a fun job. And apologize in advance. I will need to cut people off. But the goal of that is to make sure that everybody gets the same amount of time. And that we all have an attention span. That is enough for the last person as it was for the first person. And when you're done testifying, please
sign in at either of the 2 sign in sheets on either side of the Mike fox. Before we have a public hearing on this item, we are going to have I'll take a motion from vice PRESIDENT Come to move a version 2, which includes language about cannabis that needed to be in there. That is the first time. So any discussion, the motion. Just for the amendment all in favor say Aye. I opposed 7 a favorite. No one opposed the amendment is approved. All right. This is a public hearing. If there's anyone here to speak on this item, please come on up. My name Jay Cooper renter. A woman come over and Como neighborhood. Excited to be here to talk about what I'm sure is the most bombastic. way of making policy before you all today Iknow that this whole room is really excited about traditional neighborhood
zoning districts since coming to twin cities 12 years ago, I've lived lot of different neighborhoods, including some of my favorites have been when I lived briefly like. 2 blocks away from this little corner, grocery, right. And I think it's understated just how much. Can have a positive impact on somebodys life bing in walking distance from amenity like that. I ate healthier. I spent less money on guard. I can to be able to like walk just a couple blocks over grab what you ned for the day and then go home is like a huge. Has a huge impact on my mental health right? Right now. I live like I said in the Como neighborhood, which is awesome neighborhood and a lot of ways. But sadly, it lacks a lot of those little things that that make a
neighborhood really coffee shops and corner marks and stuff. And that's largely it's because even though I'm right in the middle of a lot of like important transit areas. Dale Komal front and pretty much. The whole thing is zoned residential housing, which makes it really hard to open a little business, which is part of the big. Reason why I moved here from the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin right one of the got those right and which is a great coffee shop. Anybody who hasn't been dob got should absolutely go dob. Got us. They apparently had spend like 8, 9 months trying to get a conditional use permit just to be able to open that place. That's way too onerous. It's way too difficult. If you know anything about Spanish, you'll know that avocados means. Lawyers they They are business lawyers. That Thank you very
much. You so much. It does go by fast coming up and congratulations on bringing young people to get something aged. Writes, Yes, this is squad right So my name is Cody Fisher. This is Jocelyn and this is Micaela. And we we live in Ward one and we're here to enthusiastically support the recommended changes to the district zoning. And I jst. And to say, yeah, I say I am a small developer and I live in a neighborhood that's that's walkable and has a mixture of uses and housing densities and you know, I I love our neighborhood and I love the fact that I live in a city where it feels like we have incredible city staff and planning commission packed
with people who get it and get what the city needs you know, in our it for more climate, resilient future. And that means kind of streamlining things administratively. So more small-scale developers from our community to get financing in our community can build the kinds of climate, resilient, walkable, bikeable car like feasible neighborhoods that we need. And we're doing the work and everybody is rowing the boat in the same direction. To make kind of embody and enable the future that we need as a city. We 1000 flowers to bloom. If we want to have the tax base that we need to fund all of the things that we need in our more climate, resilient
future. And this proposed set of changes in a very nerdy way is a key step in that direction. But I also want to urge you to to to also initiate a study that goes beyond this and looks a taking and it looks corridors and connector streets across the city looks at or zoning holistically and replaces and sunsets. A lot of the kind of outdated and anachronistic like business and and parking districts that we have and replaces them with t districts and expands to districts to those arterials in the corridors throughout the city so that we can we can get more of what we need so that that work is urgent. And I urge you to move it forward immediately. Thank so much.
Thank you for testimony. Don't forget to sign in. Thank you again for being here. You too. Fellow council members, I'm Paul Feazell and I love that 1992 Jefferson Avenue. I'm here expressing my strong support for this ordinance that will update or traditional zoning districts. My family enjoys living in our neighborhood. We live in McAllister Groveland. We have so many walkable businesses such as grocery hair Salon, Dental office. We go to a dog groomers, multiple restaurants so we can all walk to end. This should be available in all of the city. And so the zoning changes allows us to be easier to do. And I encourage council to initiate a zoning study, too, implement these changes citywide, especially on our arterial Neighborhoods like to computers can have neighborhood businesses on
Como Avenue and Dale Street right now, our arterial streets are mishmash zoning districts. If you go up to my section of Grand Avenue near McCallister. You're going to see. hgv besio and vp zone districts in just a mishmash of these things all put together. I was kind of confusing and these can be much more simplified to allow flexibility for business owners and developers who want to develop new businesses and buildings homes in our neighborhoods. This ridge in zoning we have has difficulty to reusing a property and rezoning is costly. Complicated takes a long time and we do see people go through that process to rezone the property, but we should make it so they don't have to
do that. And this more flexible zoning that he districts reflects how our neighborhoods developed over time. We see a mix uses along commercial corridors and even with in our neighborhoods, our residential neighborhoods, you'll see some old commercial buildings that are no longer allowed to commercial. But that was back in the time when we had more flexibility in what we did with our businesses and our buildings. Over time, zoning became more and more permissive to wear city only allows a mixed use and business zone. Specific spots on our corridors. So we should take a step toward modernizing our zoning. Going back things used t be. And that is. And that's think you so Appreciate I. Don't forget to sign. And
if you haven't already. Council PRESIDENT Members of the council, my name is Rick Barclay live in Ward 3. But I'm here on behalf of my union seiu, healthcare, Minnesota, and Iowa. We represent health care workers. I've submitted a letter ad I'll just referenced The short version is we strongly encourage a yes vote and echoed feelings of those who say we need to go further. And I would just add not only go further but go faster. The one message from the electorate is the Virgin see of the affordability crisis. People are calling out for being able to afford their lives. And the number one cause for most people is the cost of housing. The number one class driver for most businesses is the rent.
And we need to the city is a major factor in both of those. Ad we need to start acting faster. And then I will just add one everybody agrees that the biggest callenge confronting Saint Paul in our budget is our tax base and the fact that we have so much nonprofit land in this city that we can't generate revenue from, but that is only a problem. If you take the amount of land, it's a fixed quota. We cannot expand amount of land horizontally as much as we would like to take over Minneapolis. We can expand vertically every time you allow the city to grow up further, you reduce the impact of the Saint. Tomas is the McAllister's the county, the
state government. And therefore, if we are going to address that critical problem, we need to start growing vertically. Thank you. Thank you so much. And make sure to sign any one else here to testify on this item. Seeing none. I will take a motion from is just to close the public hearing. And with the matter over to NOVEMBER, 12th or know all in favor say Aye. 7, a favorite know and oppose a public hearing is closed in. The ordinance is laid over to NOVEMBER 12 for final adoption. Item. 31 is a public hearing of ordinance. 25 dash 65 creating chapter 2.25. A of a legislative code title firearms regulations to establish regulations for assault weapons. Binary triggers ghost guns
and signage. All right. Thank you all so much for being here to testify. And for already lining up. And we will go right into our testimony coming up as a reminder to minutes start with your name where you're coming from. Hello. My name is Gretchen Damon. I live in Ward 3. Saint Paul Moms Demand Action supports this ordinance. If state lawmakers cannot the needle on gun violence, prevention and local leaders need to get the job done. Similar to the smoking ban and their city's past. It will take community clamor to get us to the other side. We're not only can we breathe smoke-free air but also and have that bullet free spaces. This ordinance supports responsible gun ownership. Some of us remember riding in the back for parents station wagon with no seat belts to date. We don't think twice
about strapping a child in a car. We don't long for the good old days of no safety restraints through new laws, we've protected our children from secondhand smoke in car accidents. It is time to protect them from being shot. Effective leadership. It's not just doing what your constituents demand, but it by seeing them evidence based improvements, making sure rapid-fire weapons disappear from our neighborhoods is a better way of doing things. Kids playing basketball at the Recs Center are doing their homework at the library away from firearms. It's a brighter future. Since the Annunciation shooting over 5,000, people have joined Minnesota Moms
Demand Action. Many now realize their local governments cannot regulate firearms because of preemption. We are in a stranglehold between a 40 year-old statute and a group of intractable state lawmakers paralyzed by ideology. A ridiculous place to be firearms are the leading cause of death for America's children. Finally implementing lifesaving policies. Once preemption is lifted is crucial. For opponents who say this is government overreach. We stand with thousands of Minnesotans who have reached their limit waiting for something to be done. Thank you very much, Mike. Council, PRESIDENT Baker, my name is Doctor Shelton, Berkowitz. I live in Ward one in a retired pediatrician and a past PRESIDENT Of the Minnesota chapter the American Academy of Pediatrics. I'm here to speak in support of
the proposed gun violence prevention ordinance. 25 65. Well. You understand that are legal hurdles to overcome before this proposed ordinance could be put in place. I believe it is very important for this council and the city to make it clear message that they will do everything they can prevent further gun violence by banning public possession of assault weapons and large capacity magazines and binary triggers within the city. As a pediatrician. I was shocked by the murder of 26 people Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2013 and then Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, when 17 people were killed and 12, 2018 ad most recently, the murder of 2 children and moving him anymore in the shooting at Annunciation
Church in school, just one Half Mile Square used to live in south Minneapolis. When I was in practice to children's Minnesota Hospital in Minneapolis, I helped care for patients and families who are victims of gun violence, including the young at less than 2. I cared for. We've been paralyzed from the stray bullet. Senator, how skin severs spine leaving her in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. For several years now, firearms could become the leading cause of death for children and young adults. The United States in states where laws have been passed, banning assault-style weapons and high capacity magazines. They've seen a decrease in mass shooting deaths. Last or 2. Tim Coomer emergency doctor at age dmc was one of the first doctors on the scene at the Annunciation shootings testified to the following. Annunciation. The shooter fired more than 100 rounds
with a high-powered rifle. That's why there was so many victims. That's why the vin injuries were so severe, type of gun matters. At Annunciation cared for 12 year-old girl who had what looked like a very small graze wound. The top of her head integration, nothing else. And that is despite that bullet never your brain, the energy from right was so powerful. It cost of your bleeding to brain tell part of her skull removed. Thank you. I'm so sorry to have to stop you there. But we can also accept your testimony in writing. If you want to send that around, we can make copies. Thank you so much your testimony. Make sure to sign in. My name is Beth Friends. I am here as a resident of Ward. 4 having lived in the city of Saint Paul for 32 years and also representing people who
refer to themselves as the friends of the Saint Paul Public Library. More than 12,000 people. We are in support of this ordinance. We are in support this ordinance because the library opens its stores every single day to be a safe sanctuary for children and families. People who are seeking so many different things and for which the library is uniquely positioned to be a resource for them. This ordinance represents one more element of an investment in public safety and a practical way in which to tell our citizens, you matter. State law was originally passed and recognize the role of schools. I think we missed an opportunity lead Slay to flee, to understand that park
recreation spaces and libraries similarly need to be a home for children and families free of guns in any form. The friends of the Saint Paul Public Library is very, very strongly in support of this ordinance. And so my as a resident of the city, thank you and make sure to sign it. Good afternoon. My name is Matt Emu's are my mother onto teacher in Saint Paul resident 2 or 3. I've taught in Saint Paul schools for nearly 20 years and have 2 children ages 12 15. I'm here in support of the proposed ordinance banning public possession of assault weapons, large capacity magazines and binary triggers. As a teacher, I cherish caring for children of a school building, excitement of the
first weeks. Fresh air cuts, new supplies, friends reunited. Joy filled and then station Catholic School on its first day of mass with messages of hope and peace minutes later that joy was shattered when an individual armed with an ar 15 fired 120 rounds through stained glass windows. Older students threw themselves over younger student children to shield them. Fletcher, age 8 and Harper age 10 were murdered. 30 others were injured. Some severely. This tragedy makes one thing heartbreakingly clear as long as military style rifles are allowed in our city, we cannot keep children safe, locked doors, drills, even friends, throwing themselves in harm's way. It's never enough. The absurdity of normalizing active shooter preparation is sobering. When asked if it practice for this.
Listen to West and a 10 year-old survivor. Students should not have to learn how to shield themselves from gunfire. Schools are not war zones. Children should not be casualties of our inaction. Teachers and students do not feel safe. We are not safe behalf of every family living in fear. I plead with you. Do something inaction, accept this violence? We are in crisis. Please ue your power to protect us from military-grade weapons on our streets. Thank you. Make sure to sign. And if you haven't welcome. Hello. My name is Eli Vause. I'm 13 years old and I go to Capitol Middle School here in Saint Paul. I'm here in support of this ordinance. I read I regularly visit rec centers over Saint Paul like to really little rec center off direction or 5, 6, days a week to play basketball and
socialize with friends. I'm here because I want ensure that I never have to worry about my sfety or anyone else, the state or anyone else's safety on that rec centers. There's been so much to whenever I want to exercise or social friends, I do. I have the ability to watch over it effects seniors and for this. I'm so grateful for and I can fully recognize this privilege that comes with living in the city of Saint Paul. The top of gun violence is also personal to me. Last year my school flag football team was practicing public park lesson 3 blocks fish. My school me my team running laps around the park and you heard gunshots less than 100 feet away. And a man with a pistol and fired multiple shots. Another man with the intent to kill. You might me immediately grabbed their bags and spend it with her coach. 3 locks
back to our school. This event scared me and my teammates to play with some my teammates telling me problem sleeping after that event. I don't want any kid that experience feelings that me and my teammates felt for which I can only describe as being absolutely terrified. If we keep these public areas safe there, truly a safe haven for the u helping us stay active and build build social skills. Then a fire engine is public places be a huge step forward making sure you are safe thanks for your time. Thank you. My name is Mark Connor on. I just moved from law. Ward, one where last 2 years towards 7.11, lifelong feel from Ward lifelong Saint Paul resident. I don't know the protocol after. I'd like to leave a copy of a free child member of the Council this
book I published last pages out. 52 and 83. 84, I mentioned the riots of 2020. I wanted to talk about that in relation to this ordinance. I'm 100% against ordinance. Okay. Outside. Aside from the fact that it's country, Minnesota law. I looked at what's been referred to it. So it's unconstitutional. However, having said that, I want to share the experience that I work for. 13, half years. It on the young center, our home, name, Eric in homeless shelter for kids. Important election. Saint Paul because I have that contact with American community. The day after the police station with burnt down Minneapolis. I was contacted asked, please help protect buildings. He's making him with operation. 1.1 of the
leaders actually showed me that he had was an ak. 47 with Drumright of making has 75 rounds. Nothing is Lake City was completely destroyed. But from the board of Saint Paul to Kenwood. Franklin Avenue had not have a single window broke at certain times. We didn't have the police at the time. Sometimes please camp either sometimes that we need to protect ourselves. That's what the constitutional right. Second we have a GOD given right to protect ourselves and the Constitution protects protects Second Amendment. That's my feeling. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And feel free to leave those Frustrate you. Thank you. Make sure to sign and will come up. my name is that Lauren's we live Lexington Parkway South. I'm here today to speak as a member of veterans for peace. I served as a medic during the Vietnam War. First in the
psychiatric unit, the treated soldiers suffering from ptsd. After that, I served as a surgical ward where the wounded were prepared for evacuation. After Vietnam. I studied war and violence and became a professor in college teaching about issues of violence and conflict. However, I not only have that firsthand experience from war and teaching, but in 2012, one of my young cousins was a victim of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. She has several others of the 26 student victims was a special Ed kid. We often think of the unique car that most of engulfed her and kids like her as they died of these horrible wounds. I certainly understand law abiding people who collect technically complex things,
including modern weapons. But given the danger of modern firearms, I cannot fathom why any sane person would oppose regulations to protect us from any use of these weapons against their fellow humans, the blood and Gore brought to our world by modern weapons of war, especially in the U.S. With Aaron responsible. Lacks firearm regulations requires all are responsible, person's support regulations to protect people, especially our young children from the Har these weapons spring. You deserve great credit for starting the process of getting this finalize. Thank you very much. Thank you. Make sure the same. Good afternoon to the council members. My name is
Maggie Dickman and I live in Ward 3 for the past 12 years. I've had the privilege to live in Saint Paul as a patron of our local libraries and recreation centers. I'm in support of the ordinance to restrict firearms in sensitive public spaces such as parks, libraries, recreation centers and city buildings. These free local resources have been regular destinations for our family. My children have grown up with our local parks, recreation centers and libraries. As a backdrop. Now that there's 11 13 years old gone are the days when mom and dad took them to the playground for a push on the swings or climb on the slide. But now for Uptown Recs Center in Northen Community Center hosts volleyball practice us Edgecombe Linwood Palace, Highland or meet up places for kids to play basketball with. But he said Open gym. The kids are on a first-name basis with
Rex Center staff. The library locations, each offer their own gems of endearment when days got hot in or when do you conditioner was reluctant to keep up. We titled Over to marry him Park Library for Respite in the promise of a quiet, cool place to read. The Windows of Rondo Library. Give us a font row seat to view trains passing by on the newly open Green Line. Light rail. These places are where community building happens and should be safe spaces together. Safety is not guaranteed without rules. As we learned last year when our son like Eli was practicing flag football with his team in a city park and they witnessed the shooting just a short distance away. Young people should not have to be scared or traumatized when they are simply trying to play a sport. They love. The threat of gun violence is real. We need to
take these steps to keep our kids safe. I'm hopeful that the passage of this ordinance can be a step in the direction towards securing a safe future for all residents of Saint Paul. My its start here and work its way our to the rest of the state. Thank you for your time and your continued efforts to help keep our community safe. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. My name is could are greater and I'm a youth activists and also leader of the and Saint Paul, Minnesota. I currently do stop the Violence Community event center basketball entrepreneurship. I train kids. You're basketball and also mentor case and my program college, youth. That's you are an e e. After Monday's we lost her father to gun violence. 2 and a half years
ago. Which is very tough, said. I makes me us about Also teach special education, especially education program at Expo Elementary. And I also am a lifelong citizen. Saint Paul. I see my legacy in my life as everything I can to uplift sure that the generation behind me is on the right path. My annual spring event focuses on. Giving young kids opportunities in a sense of hope. They need to know how important it is to come together and support each other's ghosts. We've hosted these Jimmy Lee Slas jk movement. In the pst and change a different Rex centers around the city. It is really hard to maintain that sense of safety positivity and growth. And I'm also worried about people bringing guns into the space. The point where higher security for my spring events. My focus is always on keeping
my kids safe. That should be all of our focus is to keep the kids safe. My other go is that kids have the proper education and their needs met to be successful. Kids need to feel safe in order to be open. They need to be open order to learn whether that's their abc. There were few threes goal setting how to be a good friend. And that is time. If you want to close there and let keep that people with us for your testimony. Thank you so much. My name is Judy Car and a lifelong resident of same fall currently live around the corner from Lynnwood Recs Center. I also over 40 years is clinical social worker ad the last 15 were in a program call functional family therapy, specifically designed to work
with families with kids on probation. And the first thing we had to accomplish and every family was to try to create asense of safety for all family members so that they could begin see each other differently and learn new behaviors. There is robust research that shows. That anyone in a very excited state of flight or fight is unable to really access learning decision making and good practice. And the more we can send a message to the kids. Who are? On the verge of trouble or whatever that they have safe places to go like the library is a rec center and that there are adults in this community that care about their safety so that they can learn and
grow and feel comfortable in doing so. They've become really good citizens in the future of this city, which I love. Thank you very much. Well, come up. And at this point, I would just invite anyone else who plans to testify to please get in line. Just we have sort of a sense of last call. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Asher. Put in from the east side. Born in Saint Paul that if you work my family has ties going back to the Marine Corps veteran. And I'm here to speak against ordinance. One reason here to speak against the ordinance. Is that every day for my job, view state statute for the state to make sure that the contracts and things are entering into a legal being this ordinance ad the ordinance itself does say Minnesota statute for 71. 63. And it recognizes that if this is passed, that is not enforceable law or it is void. And I don't think that we should be spending time passing laws that are going to
be enforceable to tnder past and rely on the state to pass another lie with me. Never again. All it doesn't put in orange out there that cause confusion for the police and citizens who are not recognized by that. Other reason is I do think that this will expand the city's resources. I think they're probably in the lawsuits given the nature of this. I think the correct time that the city Council should pass an ordinance like this would be when the state. Change its laws after the people Minnesota have elected officials that respond to them and make change this law. I think right now doing it is not the right time. Last season record veteran my friends and I that live in Saint Paul. If this were to pass, I'd be considered a criminal possibly for what I
own it considered couple not for taking action against somebody not for doing any unjust harm to somebody and not for acting in unsafe manner. But for simply owning an item which and legally allowed the United States on. And that is major concern to me. Lastly, I'll add that. Laws like these. I don't think you anything. I think what the focus should be on which we've heard here are going to be Comey program. So that's a Paul continues develop a culture peaceful nonviolent people that understand that doing I'm just harm to people's not something you Also training education projects that are kids know, you know, please. And you know, guns are and we touched him. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Make sure descendant. Good evening. My name is Nate Castle Worth 6 resident.
I live here Maryland market on Maryland where I've experienced in heard and witnessed awful gun violence that has since that time. I've lived here, frankly, really kind of don't really want to be here today because I Jimmy Lee Recs on our it's 5.30, right now. Got a whole bunch elementary school kids getting ready to end their program. I probably got upwards of 75 teens. Recreating a healthy space in our rec center. We've got open swim happening now. We've got a lively rec center, but I'm here for those people for those young people and for our community. I wrked rec centers for about 10 years of experience. Neighbors shot kids scrambling from football fields. And playgrounds to avoid gunfire. Staff members nearly
shot at work we had recently a staff member disarm someone in our rec center with a semiautomatic assault weapon. Tragedies didn't really make the news, but they happen all the Our staff, our front front front and center with these people or making relationships with young people were preventing a lot of tragedies, but we shouldn't be. There's not a day that goes by where I. I'm afraid that the worst is going to happen at my job, a rec center where we're supposed to be. The most positive, the most playful, the most fun, the most positive place in the city. We know about all the guns that are illegally in our centers. We've seen But we also know that the number of those guns
is much higher because we don't see them. This idea that these guns around our centers rest in the back of every Seth person's head, who cares for young people or after-school programs or ten classes while teaching young people out of play sports and get along with each other. The political action on gun control should match the will of te people. We're sick of gun violence. We don't want guns in our community spaces. I'm so sorry that need you to sort wrap there. Thank you very much. Please feel free to leave your comments with us. thank you for your work Jimmy Lee as well. Didn't drop door. I am general counsel for the Minnesota Gun owners caucus. I work in Saint Paul a very frequently down at the Capitol been doing that for 16 years. I think it's really important
for the public to understand that passing this ordinance doesn't actually change anything. It's on ice until some potential future state action happens. And I think that people need to understand that when we're loking at. The downside of this. I've heard a lot about, well, it's not going to be enforced, but that's not what the law says. It doesn't say you can pass an ordinance as long as you don't enforce it. That doesn't comply with state law. If you look at for 71 at 6.33, it says you it's void you entire of ordinances void, including this on ice provision. There will be a legal challenge if this ordinance passes. And there's a lot of things that the city can do in order to try to mobilize action. You guys can lobby your legislators. You can organize days at the Hill. You can fully use bully pulpit to talk about the issues with the one
thing you can't do is pass an ordinance that violates state law. Every dollar spent defending an illegal ordinance in court is a dollar that's taken away from real public safety action. And I would implore you not to do that. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign in. Last testify on the subject. Come on up. My name is Courtney is Brown. It wasn't even planning on speaking. But what? Propel me to speak was I'm actually a transplant. So unfortunately, I can talk about the Israelis saying Paul Mexican from St. Louis. So when guy can Google that St. Louis has been one of the murder capitals from my life and it still is. I'm a proud graduate Saint Thomas Law School. So I'm actually going more side to tat. The folks have been imposed is i actually challenge you all to
use your. Powers to us, connect with the state because ultimately he's going to be the legal fght that's going to matter. Whether is what it is can do. Whatever it's going to do is got to hve the approved Minnesota state. That ultimately because you're gonna have to the people who came to speak today, going to to their constitutional rights. And so. Great. Where do all of the ones as council folks, I'm assuming that you also have political currency and connections with people in the state legislature. And I would say that we need you all to lean into your friendships, your relationships with them. Your political party affiliations with those folks who say we need to be moving a little bit more fast. Otherwise we will be here again again and again. But he's going to have to be on that level as you will have heard from the people here locally. They're already ready
for the fight of it in but doesn't So we jumped single-handed. Folks to thank you guys up. They we can probably get more things good. And I also work for parks and rec, which is. Backdrop to this. But please use your pope. Usual social media. Use your personal connections to say state folks. We need t back to because this is what I say. People asking fight is going to be in the courts. Thank you for you to tnk you very much. And though, take a motion this yang to close the public hearing all in favor say aye. All oppose this. A favor oppose. A public hearing is closed. I want to thank everyone very much for coming out to testify tonight. Also
want to acknowledge that several of those who testified tonight, we're sharing things that were particularly traumatic. And I want to thank you for having the courage to be here and sharing those very, very tough experiences with us. I pre ship on sticking to the time and sharing disagreement in a very civil manner. We will be considering everything that we've heard tonight. It's always a bit anti-climactic. But as I mentioned at the beginning, we'll be coming back next week to review what we've heard and to finally a dot. So this ordinance is laid over to late over to NOVEMBER 12 for final adoption. Thank you all again. Item 30 twos resolution public hearing. 25 Dash 2, ratifying the assessment for 4th Howard area Mill and overlay constructed this part of the 2024 bill, an overlay program. This is a public hearing. I there anyone here to speak on this
item number? 32. Seeing none. I'll take a motion from Ms Johnson to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. I all post 7 in favor nor opposed public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted. Item. 33 is resolution public haring. 25 dash 209, ratifying the assessment for creating Baird area. Face to mill and overlay construct is part of the 2020 for Mill and overlay program. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from his chose to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. All posts 7 in favor nor opposed the public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 34 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash t 10 ratifying the assessment for Hatch Park area of Mill and overlay constructed as part of the 20 25 million overlay program. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here
to speak on this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his camp to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. All opposed 7 to favor nor opposed to public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted. Item. 35 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 13 ratifying the assessment for Ruth Alec, One burns to still water mill and overlay construction at part of the 20 23 Million Relief program. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Saying not a question from Ms Johnson to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed 7 in favor opposed public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted. Item. 36, this resolution public hearing 25 dash to 17 final order approving the grand selling parking lot operation and maintenance costs for 2026.
This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from is just to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. All opposed 7th. 7 in favor, know and oppose a public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 37 is resolution public hearing. 25 Dash 2.30, establishing the water charges for 2026. Actually, right before we have the public hearing for this item and will also do this right. 39, we will have a staff report. It's gonna call you MR. Kershaw. It would have been awkward. Welcome after noon. Thank you for having Council PRESIDENT And council members and my board members who have worked very hard alongside me over the last few months, prepare a budget. I do not have intent to. A presentation here today, but I do have copies of our budget
letter available for you. I think that you have seen a review. We are asking for a significant rate increase this year. Not one that we take lightly. We have been prioritizing our affordability work over the last few years to ensure that we're monitoring that very closely. I think the great news for us is that our water rates very affordably across all metrics within our country. And we're really working to fund our low-income assistance program as we make the investments that we need to make to make sure that we're replacing. Much of our infrastructure, which is at its useful life at this point. Overall, I just want to highlight that the overall impact for our customers, the average impact will be a $4 and $0.73 per month. Next year. And I also want to highlight that part of that comes from our brand-new treatment plant, which hopefully everyone is aware is
now fully in operation and meeting and exceeding all standards set for that new plant as well as the continuation of our lead free as part of program, looking into the future. I'll stop there for questions. Thanks so much as ask any questions. Don't go too far. We might have questions afterwards. And I do want to applaud you and the water Department for your excellent work. You're right about the Achieving such great metrics for spout his color. Everything else. I was in a home in a western suburb, not Minneapolis and other Western suburb recently. And they were talking about their hard water and need for filters. And I said we have nothing like So could unity and thank you also for acknowledging any increase is a significant increase, especially right now, as we're hearing earlier about affordability. So appreciate you being here to acknowledge that and walk us through why
that's necessary. All right. So with that, I thank you so much. And we will hold a public hearing on this item. There anyone here to speak on this item? So coming up? Council PRESIDENT And council members, John Purdy, West side of Saint Paul and up of water, customer. The general manager spoke just a minute ago and I understand from some communications that during the OCTOBER 27th Board of Water Commissioners meeting. The general manager indicated to the board that the right of way recovery fee continues to be under investigation as to any statutory authority that might exist for allowing this charge against water customers. The search for this authority goes
back to 2011. When spring stead, the city's consultants stated in their report that the city attorney's office was in the process. Determining any statutory authority to recover these costs, but it's still not of record with the water board. I respectfully ask the City Council to proceed under chapter 15 point all 3 of the city charter, which does provide. The lawful right of the water board. To use an right of way street free of charge. Other then. Permit fees. So long as the board restores the water board restores the surface of the right away. And I have a full here from yesterday showing them doing exactly that, Don, while the shot won every place today. Fire hydrant, replace the street. Everything's good. So in closing, I just asked the
city Council. The lyover, the adoption of the right of way. She. Until water board receives the authority from the city attorneys office. Or amend this resolution. By not approving the right of way recovery. She. What this will do is we'll keep 2 million dollars. In the hands of the city's water customers. Thank you. Thank you so much, MR. Pretty make sure to sign in. And this pass key frst, anybody else here to speak on this item. All right. Seeing none. I will move to close the public hearing on favor say Aye. I'll post 7 if even on the pose a public hearing is closed. Just ask you, do you have initial comments or thoughts? I'm pretty testimony. I think we should know. Sure. Thank you, council PRESIDENT For the question. Provided just a very brief overview in 2000 on 11, the
city of Saint Paul worked with the consultant spring said to analyze right away expenses that the city was incurring due to the fact that water and sewer infrastructure were in the right of way. That study detailed a variety of different costs associated. But the city then incurred additional expenses because of it not necessarily associated with restoration, but other expenses. The city incurs. The city, then. Began charging same forage and water services for the fee that was determined as part of that study. And part of that report in order to recoup that money, same partners ers's passes that cost along to our Saint Paul customers as a monthly right away recovery fee charge. We have been interacting with them are pretty and I blieve we have a hearing scheduled with him to dispute his bill specifically, although I think he's
discussing a broader concern, which is something that we've been working closely with the city of Saint Paul attorney's office with the city of Saint Paul Attorney's office believes that we have the right to make that charge and plans to make that case during that hearing. Tank you is ask one more question. Is Any? Negative ipact of laying this matter over for 2 weeks. It's already getting late over to DECEMBER. 3rd never met. Thanks very much. Any other comments. Ok, MR. Pretty. I want to thank you for being here. I admit to you that I have not had time to look at the public comments that you submitted in advance make sure attempt to do that before we vote on this. This is being laid over till DECEMBER 3rd. Anyway. So we're not taking final action today. Appreciate you being here. And I will take a close look at what you submit it. And this item is laid over. Tell and we need to vote on it. Motion to close the public hearing live matter over to DECEMBER 3rd
from council vice PRESIDENT All in favor say that. 71 so sorry, Johnson and just wanted to. I just want to say that one of the things I noted in the public comment as well, that would be helpful to clarification on prior to food would be the question pants that kind of was raised throughout our like the authority of weather. We have that. It's just want to be able to verify And for I was able to be at the Waterford on OCTOBER. But I think being able to just get clarity sinc was asked for the record be helpful. Okay. With that all in favor say that. 75 and oppose. The resolution is laid over to DECEMBER 3rd. Item. 38 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 31 establishing the
water fees and charges for 2026, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this side? Seeing none. I'll take a question from MISS Johnson to close the public hearing the matter over to DECEMBER 3rd, all in favor say Aye. All opposed 7 in favor nor opposed public hearing is closed on the resolutions late over to DECEMBER 3rd. Item. 39, this resolution public hearing. 25 dash 2.39. Setting the 2026 sanitary sewer and storm sewer rates and we love staff report on this item from MR. Council PRESIDENT And Council member Sunshine Person on the public works. Well, Echo a general matter. Vasquez said I love talking about sewers. We're coming in with the big rate increase, which we take really seriously in terms of justifying that. I have a presentation for you. But most of those slides
that covered happy to put those in. But what we do, wat we are proposing is a 14% increase for both storm and sanitary rates. It is what we have proposed earlier in a budget conversation. We went through a number of slides about that. A lot of that's due to an increase in fees, wastewater fees from and s at the Metropolitan Council. We're also losing a big contributor to the fund through West Rock. And we want to stay on top of the maintenance our debt rating and all the things that we need to do to maintain our credit level for that. What's happened since that time. And I can happy to answer any questions as we broaden ehlers to do a rate study. They looked over all the numbers that we've put together. They
looked forward several years for us ad they confirmed they believe and we agree with them that this rate increases what is appropriate for next year. We'll continue to update that every year going forward. But that is what we're proposing for next year. And a happy to answer any questions. Thanks, MR. Kershaw, any questions. You know at him, the impact on the average household, the impact on the average household is this on an average rate? One thing that's actually working to our benefit is people are using less water per household. So that is bringing the cost storm rates. Sanitary rates are tied to water usage. The average household increase for sanitary sewer will be $56. And the average annual household increase for storm sewer is 18. 44? Dollars and for the first $18. And $0.44 for storm sewer and $56 and $0.12 for sanitary sewers.
Thank you, MR. Kershaw. Any other Martin. With and that. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT And director Kershaw. Thank you for being here as well. What is the typical like cadence for changes? We often won his last week that last. Council PRESIDENT Council member Johnson, we bring rate proposals forward every year. What we normally do is propose them at our budget meting in SEPTEMBER when that happens, we have a separate public hearing like we're doing today about those rates, specifically and then they're adopted in DECEMBER with the budget or whatever the budget is passed. So it's a yearly process that we go through. We went through a period where increases were pretty modest,
about 3% for a long time. Part of what's happening is we need to maintain debt coverage. Ratios cash on hand ratios for the bond rating significantly increasing our capital program, which in addition to maintaining what was built in the past, we've got to build out new and these immediate increases that are coming from the 50 over 50% fe from and c e s and the loss of revenue. So they're done every year. I think this year's was 10% we believe that they should begin to moderate over time, but it will be important every year to look at those and match them with the maintenance needs the capital needs and the and the that coverage in cash on hand needs. The just as a follow-up on the things that I found really
helpful about some of the water. Few conversations, at least with the water board's that case showed kind of a trajectory of when they to that level off. What like? What is the year to How many years is that what you're seeing before we get to a level We are looking at probably a few years. And this is a you know, it's it's a public conversation every of increases of 10% or more. We like to see those go down. You know, we anticipate those going down after that time every year will review that. We know, you know, more information, more current. One of the things we're also watching very closely as a simple regional water does is affordability. How do we stack up across the country and on an individual household in Saint Paul. We're lucky that
our rates here are really pretty moderate, bt that increased we take really seriously. Thanks, questions concerns. And this will also be laid over to DECEMBER 3rd to align with our budget adoption, MR. Kershaw mention so. We do have time to get further information after this as well. And council PRESIDENT Ali, my email out the presentation. You know, at this point the night time. I'm sure you all want to keep going despite the fact that like talking about sewers, everyone looked very disappointed when you said you didn't have a car visual in the presentation. Thank you, MR. Kershaw so and thank you for your willingness to stay late with us. Yeah, everyone thinks to start to Richard. You could be, you know who's here ad the great store team that do all the work that I talk about. Take a motion
from. It's common to close the public hearing and sight. We didn't have a public we're going to like and this is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? It's getting to that time. Welcome back, MR. Price, thank you, John, for I just want to comment brief just quickly. In so far the common sense. Sales tax. You have all the money coming in 765 Million. To build new streets in the next 20 years. Wat you haven't recognized is every time you build these streets, you give the opportunity sewers and to water replace their pipes. But they don't have one percent coming in. They don't have anything. So they're asking for these hefty increases on top of what they did say, which that councils costs. So just so that your where you've got these things that you created with the one percent, but you didn't take care of possibly and even can. It's even the documentation from MR. Kershaw that they
can't keep up. Thank you very much. Thank you, MR. Pretty. Anyone else here to speak on this item. Seeing none. I will now take a motion from this common to close the public hearing. Lay the matter over till DECEMBER 3rd, all in favor say Aye. Post. 6 in favor and no one opposed to public hearing is closed in. The resolution is laid over to DECEMBER 3rd. Item, 40's resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 41 approve the application of Salvation Army northern Division for some little variance. 42% provide sound for the annual Tree of Lights. Late Program in Rice Park starting NOVEMBER, 15th through JANUARY 6 at Rice Park 109, West, 4th Street. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on the side of welcome? Thanks for
being here. Council members, thanks having me. My name is Paul Deacon. Some the development director for the Salvation Army North. And we just wanted to again say thank you for considering it. We are excited to bring the tree of lights back to Rice Park again this year. We're asking for a 5 hour, some variance for our program and then that's it. Thank you very much for being here to tell us a little bit more about it. Appreciate it. Any questions, any questions. Thank you. Make sure to sign in. All right. Anyone else here to speak on the side. All right, seeing none. Thank you again for being here. Take a motion motion from Israeli to close public hearing. All in favor say Aye. I'll post. 6 in favor nor opposed
public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 41, there's resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 44 amending the home 2025. General Ledger budget to reflect the program income a moat in the 2025. 26 High Consolidated plan. Action plan of $206,225.38. And Manning the home projects budget reflects a 2025 homes spending of 1 million, $629,610.90, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his toast to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. 7 in favor opposed public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 42 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 45 approving the position of property owner at 16 56 Wilson Avenue to vacate the abiding North South Alley right of way from Wilson
Avenue to Old Hudson Road. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this side? Seeing none. I'll take motion for Mis Johnson to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye opposed 7 in favor nor opposed the public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 43 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 46 operation. The fire department to enter into joint powers agreement with the state of Minnesota through its state Fire Marshal Division to receive funds for the Minnesota Air Rescue team and the financing and spending plans in the fire department in the amount of $500,000 to pay for training and equipment. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from council vice PRESIDENT Kim to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye.
All post 7 in favor know and oppose. A public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted. I know 44 is resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 47. I'm betting the spending plans and the fire department in the amount of $4500 from the Minneapolis Fire Department. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his and close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. 7 in favor nor opposed public hearing is closed and the resolution is adopted item. 45 is resolution public hearing? 25 dash to 48 amending the Spending plans for the fire department in the amount of $7,014.23 for reimbursement from resident our Voters llc. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from his just to close the public hearing and approve
all in favor say aye. I opposed 7 in favor. Know the post public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted item. 46, this resolution public hearing. 25 dash to 49 approving the 3.25. Commercial street final plat. By the way, if you were here earlier, this is what is referred to as the Sheri Marshall. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none. We'll take a motion from his Johnson to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say aye. All posts 7 in favor opposed the public hearing is closed in the resolution is adopted. Item. 47 is early 25 dash 55 appeal of MARCH follow the second to summary abatement order and vehicle abatement order at 2016 Freeman Avenue public hearing was close on OCTOBER. 15th, welcome moment. Council PRESIDENT Council members Happy Sherri Moore Day
in the city of Saint I the council they this matter over today. For 2 things to happen, one was that there b communication information provided to the property owner about establishing native plantings and what that was involved. And the second thing was to get photographs of the current conditions there. So there was a measurable starting point, if you will. Those photos are attached to the they were taken today that day. And I'm happy to answer any questions thanks this moment. Are there any questions? Seeing to Johnson from Ocean. Thank you. In on. Thank you. MISS Mormon as well. I did have a chance to review the the record. And the latest photos from that is that I do appreciate the public safety
inspections for going back out just being able to see the the pictures and being able to review the record. I do think this this is an example of where additional support resources for this resident will be really helpful in future years ahead. I don't see any reason, though, at this time to not move forward with recommendation of the hearing officers. That is my motion for today. So motion on the tables for the recognition of legislative hearing officer, any discussion of that motion? Seeing none all in favor say that. I'll post. 7 to favor known opposed. Resolution is adopted. Legislative hearing consent agenda items. 48 through 50 year before you for your consideration. There anything for separate consideration as moment? Yes, Council PRESIDENT. Don't have the numbers for 99. So snow order to
I important item. 49 is our late are are 25 ordering the racing every move of the structures at 4.99 Stelling Avenue north within 15 days after the NOVEMBER 5th, 2025 City Council public hearing. And before you get up for the public hearing, although it been waiting very long time, we're going to very brief staff report on this item since the summit substantive. And then we will go into a public hearing as part. I will try to be brief. This is the cvs on the corner of University and North Snelling Avenue and has effect. He's been out of operation effectively says MAY JUNE of 2020 in the wake of the George Floyd unrest and have actually became a registered vacant building in 2023. When the certificate of
occupancy was revoked. There have numerous and I dare say dozens upon dozens of code - enforcement abatement orders for things, everything from graffiti, broken windows. Garbage, trash. Cleanup of needles. Just everything from code enforcement. Tere have hundreds of police calls in the last 5 years to this site. So these side, the building itself is missing its ventilation system. The electrical systems are extremely compromised and not working. You look at pictures of the building on the interior, you can see that it is not afunctional space with them, but rather rather large trash them that this whole thing. A lot of things from. I think the previous break-ins that's experienced with their offense getting in and so on. I conducted a legislative
hearing on SEPTEMBER 30th. That was the original scheduled hearing date at which point I receive testimony a large number there your record neighborhood people and neighborhood representatives also present was an attorney representing Cs and that was on MR. Andrew Dost, all from tough law. At that I indicated to. The people attended the hearing that my inclination was to recommend to the building, the ordered removed within 15 days with no option for its rehabilitation. As there was no performance deposit posted code compliance Inspection report. I didn't have evidence of any sort of rehabilitation plan. Financing to execute the rehabilitation or in this particular about title issues that need to be
dealt with as well because there's both. Landlord owner and a lessee. And finally, a nuisance abatement plan to handle the nuisances that are ongoing at that location and not that dissimilar way to the way Burger was discussed on South Robertson some time ago. None of those things have happened. What what we did is to continue the matter to the end of OCTOBER in the event that materials were received that could be reviewed record created that the provided to you today, have been many changes. There have been no changes in the record since that time. As of last cbs, hired an attorney who is here today, also from Taft MR. At
amid look today, the owner. Sep 2005 c 21 0 for 5 llc has an attorney present as well. He was retained today. So they would like to present their ideas and plans for moving forward. In what they're looking for from the city Council. I believe that there are neighbors and neighborhood representatives here to speak well. So it's it's such exhaustive record that is in front of you on this one. I Tried to summarize it but rather happy to field questions. Thank you so much as warm. And are there any questions at this point? Doesn't look like it ok to g for. We're going open up the public hearing and we're going to invite the legislative hearings are a little bit different from other public hearings. We first invite those who represent the appellants are the subject property in question to come out and they
have 5 minutes total to speak. So. Would invite you both split your time. Accordingly will come up and then we'll have a public testimony for 2 minutes. Each. Council PRESIDENT. Council members, my name is at election with the law firm of Tap Minneapolis. And I'm here representing on behalf of cbs. By wy of additional background from Mormon, cbs, the tenant 100 commercial lease and lease is set to expire JANUARY 31st of 20 2031. I think everyone can agree that the property is not currently being used and it ties the best use. There are, however, several individuals that are interested acquiring the property for redevelopment purpose. U.S.. Although no terms of been finalized, cbs has a knowledge we are aware of at least 2 parties that have made offers to purchase
the property. Any proposed sale will be a. Ultimately decided by the property owner who was cbs landlord. Cbs is actively working with us landlord as well as those interested parties to facilitate transfer the property. And cbs is in a position to contribute to the overall transaction to facilitate a sale and redevelopment of property. If the city orders billion raised the likelihood of that sale and redevelopment dramatically decreases both cbs and its landlord have certain rights each other's certain obligations under their existing lease. And if the building is raised by the city, those rights and obligations will make increasingly difficult for either of the parties to
finalize the sale and move on tree development. The unfortunate reality is that if the building is ordered, raise absent some sort of plan for a sale redevelopment. It MAY remain under utilized until the expiration of current lease term. So JANUARY 31st of 2031. It's my honest belief that it would be in the city's best interests as well as the Hamlin midway. Katie's best interest to allow the PRESIDENT Active cell process to continue, which possibly retooled redevelopment site rather than just a race of the building to have an undeveloped site. What cbs is asking for today is tat the city paused any final decisions on an alternate order to raise the property
for 120 days. 120 days we believe is a realistic period to allow cbss landlord to work with these potential purchasers to finalize their plans bring about redeveloping the property. Simply put delaying the decision to order the building raised well, allow cbs and its property owner to work on a long-term solution for the site rather than an immediate solution and a long-term solution MAY very well disappear if properties race for the city. If the pause is granted, it is possible that the city will indeed receive applications for demolition and the building MAY be raised without further action. This council together. Since cbs received notices from the city. It's
taken a couple of actions specifically. It has increased its attention to the property by way of increased property maintenance services and security monitoring. They've increased the number visits. They're going out to the property and increase the number of services there. I requested to take care of those litter and they can to promise just to know MISTER. But we have a minute. And 46, I'll out about the viewer out round and round at moreover, cbs is willing to continue those increased services and will firmly committed before falling items of the pause is granted. First, it's willing to remove the existing dumpster crowd, which I believe is a proud alum the property. It's willing to pay the building structure. A dark color with graffiti resistant
paint coating. It's going to replace certain really into the packed a structure that I believe are causing some of the nuisance conditions of the city's reported and it's going to remove the plywood shutters that are on the property and replace them with metal shutters and direct response to some of the concerns the city's race. All this will take place until the property is also a sold or otherwise raced. I am very grateful for your. You know, you're the opportunity to present today. I stand for any questions or thanks, MR. Will stop the Any questions from Mr. Don't Go 5. And that happened later. Thank you very much. Make sure to send in the 55
seconds. PRESIDENT. Members of council, my name is David in an attorney for move and are going Miller and you get We represent the land owner s cp 2005 c 21 0. 45 llc and we concur with the comments made by the tenant, cbs and we believe that our interests and the interests of the city and cbs are aligned and we believe that 120 days it would be sufficient time for us to continue negotiations with potential buyers of the property and allow for the redevelopment of land, you know, stand for any questions. Thank you very much. He took up almost part of the time with the name side isn't is that you made? It has very Thank Make sure to sign in any questions before we hit
the public hearing, we MAY have more questions the public doesn't like any now our continued public. All With that, we will now hear testimony from those who are not the subject property. Again, we'll have 2 minutes per person. Please line up. So we get a sense of how many folks we have coming and start putting your name and where coming from. Welcome, sir. You can sign and after you're done testifying. Yeah, thank my name is Jerry Ratliff. I live in Ward 4. I've been there 46 years, which is even longer than Cherry worked here. It sounds like. I just typed up this little speech. For several years, I've seen no evidence that there's a plan for this property. Years. My suggestion will improve safety and improve the look of cvs. I believe that cvs isn't has not been found
to be structurally unstable. Those sounds like there's a lot of other things are a mess. My goal here with my suggestion is to improve that only safety. But the look of the intersection for my community. One possible temporary solution. So the building looks better has more traffic and crime is reduced as soon as possible. Is and I have like 5 parts to it. Open another police substation in cvs like we have had in the past in the Midway shopping center. And or for this small space to the mc for fair checkers as a break room. And higher 2 or 3 full-time police officers to include cvs, the lrt platforms in the area around the Kimball Court area as we are short, 67 officers that last day heard in DECEMBER. And or that we could put a trailer top camera during the remodeling process
in the parking lot and finally remove that ugly plywood and replace it with vacant storefront photos like we have in Harmar mall Rosedale Mall. So the property looks nice with Windows lit funding, maybe use the money you get for fencing, boarding or maybe some of the Kimball Court grant money that they just got. Our neighborhood is expressed frustration over that. We had 30400 people asking the city to do something to have a plan. We have over 20 vacant lots and businesses in our community and crime is a big factor for the past 7 years. Not 46. Really an 8 7, Have to ask you to say your last sentence, ok? I want I would strongly suggest you survey businesses and
residents of Hammond there, but you about bulldozing cvs. Without an immediate replacement in hand. Thanks. Thank you very much. And feel free to submit your comments for the record. If you want to study the rest. Also, I just want to know we have many, many, many comments on the record per usual, some of which my colleagues are looking at now in their computer. So I just want folks to know that all of that public record is part of our review. And I know that it cannot be said in 2 minutes at the come on up. Council PRESIDENT Council is credible. I am a word for him and midway resident and a renter living just about a block south of this building. I've seen how bad a shape it's been in for the past 3 years. It's pretty rough. They go past every day. And I support this resolution that. Because of how much it has degraded the neighborhood and property
owners just came up at talk about how they've had a plan or echo the comments of for me. In the fact that they have indicated anything for 3 years. They've been doing nothing for our community for 3 years. And I don't trust them to do anything. Now, especially when they can only came here just because we this resolution is being considered. I won't support the resolution to abate the property, but I would support not just the resolution to be the property, but something more than that because this abatement would turn the property into an empty lot. Stu owned property owners quite do not trust to do anything for him Midway community. We see a lot of lots like this around Alliance field. And frankly, they've been sitting vacant for years
and they're doing nothing for the community. And it seems to me and I know many others that many property owners owning property in the community have taken to holding off on. So he's abandoned properties in terms of waiting for the stadium to further develop around there so that they can sell for a higher price. And this makes a committee suffer from lack of services. Notably the cub just and is now banned and meaning there's less access access to groceries. We these spots be developed soon and adjusting to anything but something that is affordable. That means not an affordable housing, a hotel, not something that would further agenda for the community and push rent urge you to get these properties look to local buyers who contribute to the community by developing say a community clinic pleased if I were double shiri's free to assist them in to assist or
who knows. Gabor's. Don't let developers price but out, especially when they're outside our community. Thank Thank you very much. Perfectly timed. Make sure to sign it will come up. You mentioned center. Donald Trump at once. Hey, say council. My name is people call me. I am live in the Amman midway neighborhood. Word for. And I am also the vice PRESIDENT Of the Midway Investment Co-operative, which associated with the Hammond Coalition. So I'm here to speak on behalf of the cooperative in our membership as well. I'd liked it. At least that propose that I could be speaking on behalf of our neighbors and members of the coalition as well. We as a
cooperate. We have a membership of almost 200 people who are interested investing their own personal money in improving properties in the head, the midway neighborhood especially towards the idea of promoting local ownership of property maintain local ownership of property that exists. I would like to welcome the city, the city council as well as potentially owners of the property in there representation to approach the midway investment cooperative and also the him a coalition and our neighbors that are involved t talk about different ways that we could imagine that space and how it could be an improvement for
the neighborhood. And I think that we've got a lot of ideas. We get people who are ready to invest their own personal money in making this happen. And so. Going to throw that offer out there as a again, the vice pesident of the board of that and investment cooperate. Hopefully I can be a part enabling some of the conversation around that around change. So thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign welcome out. Folks. Jacob Cooper, again, thanks for having me. Thank you to the landlords showing up today. I wish guys would come to the last one or been around any of the previous years. I submitted my own personal public comments and which a described the cbs is lke promo spots painting of the helm out. But I'm gonna pull myself back a little bit.
Try to temper myself and little bit for us to stay in Saint Paul it is disappointing, but not entirely surprising that the situation for 99 Selling has come to the point demolition. Demolition of buildings is not a desired outcome. Obviously for a city that is struggling with the burden of rising property taxes. However, it feels unavoidable. Current situation unacceptable for any part of Saint Paul. Much less. One of the most critical intersections of the city, cbs having pulled back and owner of the property in the filling in different the site teams to respond into disrepair that the city does not have the necessary tools to address graffiti, trash buildup of onsite, nuisance of vandalism, discarded charts and break-ins. Site owners not taking steps to engage with good faith with the city with
an absentee national tenants paying rent on a long-term lease and unresponsive owners have no economic icentive to put the nuisance property to a higher and better use. This is negatively impacting all of Saint Paul. Situation of this. Part the parcels agree just the not necessarily unique. We hope that in the future the city can implement policies that will avoid the circumstances. Recurring, for instance. Well implemented administrative Some of those have past will should allow the city to address nuisance properties for the come to this point. But in the bigger picture, Saint Paul needs to build a diverse and durable local economy, bouncing a range of services that are more resilient to national economic trends. Just going to be a ongoing conversation, I think.
I hope that this council sees this as not end of this one conversation about cbs, but the beginning of a larger conversation about what sustainable development in Saint Paul will look like. And we look forward to having that conversation with you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Make sure to sign and again. Well, coming up. my name is Lisa Nelson. I'm word for resident and I live just a couple blocks away from the cvs. But right now I'm here representing him and Midway coalition. Rand and the interim executive director. And I just want to speak to really the Harman costs that has been occurred incurred by the neighborhood. By having this empty building for so long. I know just the neighborhood organizations have spent a lot of time and
staff time and there for money just dealing with all of the complaints and helping people figure out how to make - complaints businesses in the area have lost tenants because of the unsightly mess of the cbs We've done a lot of community engagement and received hundreds of items of feedback from neighbors which are almost unanimously in favor of demolishing the building. And our neighborhood has dealt with also empty. Lots being not cared for, but even even having live with promises of potential redevelopment and instead having empty lots full of trash. The neighbors are asking for an empty lot. And then asking you to not let it fill with trash. And I do hope that administrative citations and more work on dealing with
vacant buildings and kind o promoting development rather than just kind of holding on to these parcels. Frank speculation is something that the council can work on soon. And and it's really important intersection in Saint Paul. Really important, too. Midway teen perk really to everyone in Saint Paul and it should be. And that the empty cbs just isn't going to. Do anything it has. It is only hurt the neighborhood and so we can win the way is in favor of that. The building being demolished. Thank you very much. Make sure to send in. Well, come up. And at this point, I would just say if anyone else is here to testify on this issue, please line up now, just so, you know, you're here. Council PRESIDENT Excuse
me, Council PRESIDENT Council members sparked my name I am a resident Ward. 5. And for the past 2 and a half years at project adviser to the United Billets Project. I'm here testifying in favor of the enforcement action. And the removal of the building for the past 2 and a half years. I've been working with community, including the Chamber of Commerce, the local district councils to advance the development initiatives at this location been very challenging t leverage investment any kind partnership at this location. I'd say one of the biggest complaints are challenges that I've answered in this room and in community is why is I
taking so long to do your project and the 2 and a half years that I've been working on the project. This is what we've gotten done. We've acquired few titled the property. Worked to remediate the environmental issues on the property. We've we planted the property. Signed a development agreement with the Hre and the city of Saint Paul. We've entered 2 pops agreements with the Saint Paul Parks and Recreation Department. And built to privately owned public spaces. We've acquired financing to enact our development plans. That is for a project that is moving too small. And yes, we've also moved to buildings from the site. The property in question at the most traveled intersection and the city of Saint Paul has been up late for 2 and a half years. It's been too long. It needs to go. Thank you. Thank you very
much. Make sure you sign And you might want to stick around through the end of good news today. With that. Is there anybody else here for public? Seeing none. I'll take motion from is common to cose the public hearing all in favor say All posts. 7 in favor nor opposed public hearing is closed. It's common. Thank you. Cuncil PRESIDENT, thank you as And I would like to make a motion to approve this moment recommendation to order the racing removal of the structure at 4.99 selling Avenue north. Within 15 days after today's meeting, I the property owner fails to do within that period of time, the city can and must. The record leaves no doubt that this is a nuisance property. The police log available in the record shows well over 600 visits to the site in the over
5 years since cbs effectively stopped operating nearly 400 of which have occurred in the 3 years since the building certificate of occupancy was revoked. There are at minimum 10 summary abatement notices that have been issued for the property along with at minimum 13 recorders. Limited coalition. Thank you, Lisa, for being here today in their letter described the myriad ways in which the site as a threat to public health. Trash and debris constantly piling up. Thousands of discarded sharp sand foils vandalism, broken windows, break-ins, graffiti and stripped out infrastructure. Union Park District Council writes that, quote. This property represents a burden in tax on its neighbors by encouraging increased crime. General business malaise, lower customer traffic, and we're just property values. Dozens of residents have taken the
time to write, call or testify in person, even in some instances sitting 3, 3, our city council meeting to be here to share that will that this property is taken and community pride, economic development and the sense of safety that every member of our community deserves. Now at the 11th hour, cs claims that they have been claims of a plan for this property. This was not communicated to the city and the course of multiple legislative hearings of which cbs had considerable notice. There's even now no documentation of the possible buyers for the building and no dates, timelines or business proposals being made for the city's review. In short, there's no evidence that this is anything other than a final hear Hail Mary attempt to keep this building standing in our neighborhood. For a party with cbs is financial resources and
legal sophistication to treat our city processees. With this level of disregard does nothing t suggest to me tat they're good faith actor working in earnest to address this nuisance property. The damage this property has been allowed to construct community is considerable and it is unacceptable. Cbs has done nothing about it for years. The clock has run out. The record shows that our neighbors have big dreams for my what MAY come next at this location. And deply appreciate the time that people have taken to write to express their hopes for our community. However, I want to be clear that the action we're considering today does not immediately opened the doors to those opportunities. The city is not taking ownership of this property and we will not have legal grounds to
determine what comes next. This action is about eliminating the ative threat to a community that is posed by this nuisance property is a necessary step to ensuring that our neighborhood a safe, vibrant and welcoming. I strongly support approving a legislative hearing. Officer's recommendation. Thank you as common. I'll be supporting your motion and I appreciate the eloquent way that you phrased it as well as your. Passion to the community and for protecting it. Thank Other comments. The motion is to privilege. That hearing officer's recommendation Removal 15 days. All in favor say Aye. Aye. A post. 7 favorite known opposed. The resolution is adopted. This moment. Is there anything else come before us separate consideration? I don't believe anyone else is here to testify and alleges that you're kind of. Thank you. We will hold a public hearing on the remaining items which items. 48 50. If you're here to
testify and items 40 or 50 now is a public hearing, please come up. Seeing none. We'll take a motion from his Johnson to close public hearings and that the items with the shuns of legislative hearing officer all in favor say aye. All of 7 in favor nor opposed public hearings are closed in the consent agenda is adopted as amended. That brings us to the end of our agenda. I know it's been a long one. We do have time for good news from around the table. Is there any good news to share? No good news. There is some good news from otc. This is strange. Hi, I'm sure the city clerk for the city of Saint Pul. And I worked for the city for 15 years. The Citizen Service office consists of 4 divisions. We have code enforcement, marketing and promotions information. Complaint and city clerk records. I'm the deputy city clerk. And so I'm in the city
clerk to fission and I have wide range of duties that perform. The main thing is probably that were the official record keeper for the city Council. We keep a lot of vinyl records in our research library here in the office so can go proceed books that go back to the 18. 100's. We have other documents on Michael. And then we several written and that through search for information. When the City Council approves a new ordinance before it actually goes into effect. It has to come down to office and then we make sure that it gets published. Other publications that are required by state law to be published a newspaper also published on our website
and you can go to that by going to home page and clicking on a typical day for me can depend on what's happening around me and what's happening in the city. For example, if the city council is dealing with a contentious item such as ideal road opening. That can affect my day aspires. How many phone calls I people wanting to have information such as reporters wanting to now some numbers, citizens wanting to voice their concerns. The hardest part about my job is probably dealing with citizens that very upset and the law and they get to me and Modi talked to a few people who maybe could help them. And so
they're looking for that extra mile. If so, this is have a problem with a neighbor is not keeping their property. Possibly has a dog that box too much other things that could be considered a nuisance. They can call our office or they can send us an e-mail our website and we will take care notifying the proper departments so that the problem is taken care of. If you have any questions about the city of Saint Paul and you don't know where to go. Call 266-8989, and the About a Now it are. We know where you can find the Series coming instructions now place your left hand on the 5. Is your right hand and repeat after me. I Sherry Moore do solemnly swear. I
sherry Moore do solemnly swear to support the constitutions of the United States to support the constitutions of the United States and of the state of Minnesota and the state of Minnesota and to discharge faithfully and to discharge faithfully the duties to follow devolving upon me, 80's devolving upon me as city clerk of the city of Saint City clerk of the city of Saint Paul, to the best of my judgment and ability to best of my judgment and ability. And I think you see is one more piece of They wll don't take over here. And this message girl. Sherry. All Pierre first, congratulations. Retire. 38 years at the city of Saint Paul and I love to see and that's awesome. That is absolutely awesome. Cools to you. You were 49
House 6 mayors as well. So see for com. Always got answer. It just seemed like a top nice person and your huge budget in the car cut as not to said be notice a year. All right. But congratulations to you. And I hope you have wonderful, wonderful retirement are enjoy yourself. You've heard. That's I think brings us to the end of our agenda. M job on Dante. Yeah, I we are