sort all Johnson toast. really comment. Here comes PRESIDENT Maker here, 5 present to apps and those being councilmembers, billion, Johnson and they are expected shortly. Thank you, everyone for joining us for City Council meeting today and everyone to join us in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Which stands. One nation under GOD, indivisible, all. Consent agenda items. One through 15 or before you for your consideration, anything to be taken for separate consideration. Seeing none. I'll take a motion fom Vice PRESIDENT Yang to prove the bounds of the consent agenda all in favor say aye. I opposed 5 in favor. None opposed the consent agenda is adopted. Item number 16 is
resolution. 26 Dash 4.61. Recognizing off here and all Saint Paul residents who are celebrating the holiday. rigorously going to read this into the record and just want to thank my lafd and need for rain. This for us. Whereas the Muslim community of Saint Paul contributes to the civic and cultural of our community, enriching our community through the community, entrepreneurship and service Ramadan I a time of heightened devotion and self-discipline in which Muslims abstain from food and drink from dawn until sunset cultivate gratitude deepen their connection to faith and family and renew their commitment to service and generosity. And whereas, you know, if that hair is one of the 2 most sacred celebrations and Islam marking the end of Ramadan, the holy month of fasting. There are functioning community. Resin 2026. It out that Harris oserved on Friday MARCH 20th by Muslims around
the world and throughout the city of Saint Paul gathering to give thanks, celebrate with their family from acts of charity known as the Cartel Theater and it communal prayers whereas the city of Saint Paul's committed to celebrating the diversity of its residents affirming the dignity of all faiths and cultures and fstering a city where every resident feels welcomed and valued and now therefore be it resolved. The city of Saint Paul extends its heartfelt congratulations and warmest wishes to all residents of the city celebrating Eid al-Fitr and be further resolved that the city council, France commitment to building an inclusive city that respects and celebrates traditions, cultures and faiths of all its residents and stands firmly against Islamophobia and all forms of
discrimination and hate. So I I think my comments will be but just to name a think it's an incredibly difficult time to be. Of many different face. But in particularly for Muslim community here in Saint Paul and across the country, the vitriol that's coming from international narrative around folks in our community that are loving and devoted is incredibly dangerous. And so I just expend extend my own heart felt thanks to them and not just for the contributions, but for te way that they love Saint Paul, as much as we love same poll I often have to question why we choose to create like boogie men in. But people out of face and I believe in my bones that there's so many religions and particularly Islam, the bumps
up against a lot of things that we fight here. Everyday colonialism, white supremacy. And so as we start to think about how we celebrate this year, I just ask myself and our folks that do practice Islam to think about why it is necessary for the fderal government and our PRESIDENT Have a bogeyman and why they choose folks of incredible faith and devotion. So thank you to belly up to for this beautiful resolution. And I look to support on it. Thank you so much. Kim. I support and really appreciate the spirit that is motivating this resolution completely share your sentiments. I was honored to be able to attend and if that was organized by the Somali Community Action Coalition. And one of the things that one
of the moms there talked about was how Ramadan is a time to remember that we are all connected and to do that reflection internally. But also to remember how we all need each other. And I really appreciate all of the many different Muslim groups really take advantage o the opportunity that landed on offers on the turn particular too, to extend themselves out words and bring people in to build that understanding and that connection. It's beautiful and it really strengthens our community. So so thank you. Any other comments. Some of the Johnson. Thank you. I just want to say I appreciate a counselor can's officer bringing forth resolution. I see it as a continuation
to our council action in 2024. We did on around but unofficially under under the record for the same reasons. It was a council member with 3 different mosques and my ward. And also just, you know, I'm glad tat council PRESIDENT Was able to go over towards Seven's And I was really good to see at the Mustique and I think in many ways, you know, we should have we should continue to normalize the efforts to celebrate and to religious holidays most over periods of time, which people are practicing in our community because they're so important. And so just want to say thank you for bringing that forward. And it's really great to see that come onto the agenda. And I think that we should take a moment of pause and honoring it. So I do appreciate that. An eye for so many of my residents that are Honoring Ramadan during this period. I just think that it's important for them to continue to see themselves in the work
that we do. So thank Thank Martin. In other comments. Seeing none motion table for approval from this. Can't all in favor say Aye. Opposed 7 in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted. Item number 17 is final adoption of ordinance. 26 Dash 16 granting the application of Xcel Energy to rezone property at 3 to 5 commercial Street. H one residential to I one light industrial and amending chapter 16 legislative code pertaining to the zoning map. So for those of you who tuning in for the first time super familiar with how we adopt ordinances in the city, all of our ordinances have 3 readings and we sort of take them backward on our agenda. So the first reading is usually accompanied by a staff report where we find out more
about what's being proposed the next week. At the second reading. We have a public hearing where we take testimony from the public on the proposal and then the final week we had we take a final and either adopt or don't adopt the ordinance. Sometimes we need a couple more weeks than that if we have amendments, but that's the general the items that are before us for final adoption items that hve been hurt at least twice before. And then you'll also see Adams in front of us today for public hearing. And for first reading. So this item 17 is before us for final adoption. Take a motion for approval from this. Johnson looked to my colleagues to see if there's any discussion of the motion. Seeing none all in favor say Aye. I post 7 in favor. None opposed. The
ordinance is adopted item. Number 18 is final adoption of ordinance. 26 Dash 18 amending section one. 93 for the legislative code to temporarily extend the prediction notice period and section one. 93 point '04. From 30 days to 60 days. So So this item also the force for final adoption after last week's public hearing after having some time to speak specifically to folks from the same public housing agency. I am. I'm going to introduce an amendment that exempts the public housing agency in Section 18. 42 properties from this ordinance I I'm doing this because I don't think they stand to benefit from the protections we're offering here. And also they could be harmed by this ordinance that the goal of this ordinance, which I
strongly support is to give neighbors our community more time to to go back to work or to access emergency rent assistance that's being provided by numerous different entities, including ourselves. But in the case o the public housing agency, those properties, those rents are already adjusted downward. So folks haven't been able to work their rent and and have no income than their rent is adjusted down to 0. So they are protected in a way that other tenants, other properties are not already. However, what we have heard from the public housing agency is that they do stand to be harmed by this because if we extend the prediction notice to 60 days then they will have a longer period time and more unpaid rent that they're carrying on their balance
sheets because folks will have more time to pay rent. And apparently the federal government considers how much unpaid rent you have as a factor in deciding whether or not you're eligible for certain federal funding. And so when the public housing agency went voluntarily from 14 days to 30 prediction notice they were dinged by the federal government for that and they're concerned about going from 30 to 60 having additional funding be withheld. So. And we all support of public housing agency and want to do anything that would harm them or hurt their ability to house tenants and again, their tenants uniquely have this adjusted rents that other tenants don't. So I think their request make sense and did invite them here to see if their questions. And I think Serrano is aailable. So folks have questions for the public. Has a kitchen. See because we
can invite us or that they do. People do either from okay, the staff coming up. And then comes first. It's going want to go just really quick clarify the language. Just for the sake of clarity Legistar is adding a section. Iia says exception. The temporary increase notice period identified in Section 93 Point '04 d. Does not apply apply to residential units that are owned or managed by the public housing agency in Saint Paul. Yeah. And to be thank you. Him to be declared that temporary exempt the temporary period of 60 days does not apply. But the 30 days in the tenant protections ordinance will apply. So it's just that 60 days that does not. Other questions about the language site before the Serrano. It's Welcome to in. Tell us your name. And I MAY be your position and anything you'd like to say before we have
questions. It's thank you. Council PRESIDENT Members of the council meetings credits that I know I am the housing choice programs director with Saint Paul Public Housing Agency. And I'm here to answer any questions. You have just some point of clarification. The Saint Paul Public Housing agency. Our publicly owned housing. We already have a 30 day prediction notice for nonpayment of rent. So that is not new to us that something we already do. And as because think Necker mentioned. When we implemented that tent accounts receivables almost could to bolt. It went from and we did that in 2021. So the balance is changed from roughly 90,000 a month to
almost 400,000 a month. So we extend that to 60 days. You can imagine that we would see an that and that impacts our capital fund from hud capital, fun helps us maintain their properties. We are ready. Don't get enough funding as it is to do what everything that needs to do. We have. We have the largest landlord in the city of Saint Paul. We have over 4200 units that maintain and our maintenance crew is the best in the city, I would say. But you know, when you not getting fully funded, there's only so many things you can do. And so any reduction that funding is harmful ultimately to our residents. So that's why we asked for the exemption. We also the nature of our funding, both in our publicly owned housing and in their section 8 housing. The nature. The funding source is allows
us to change rents. As families. Households situations change. We have not notice and up tick in request. It's just been the standard requests as we had over as we do with the program. Meantime, household has experience in change in income. They notify us. We verify we process the change and they pay roughly 30% of their income towards their rent. And that's how that's the nature of the program. Thanks very much. I see question for Ms Johnson. Nice. And it's is common. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT And Iappreciate the discussion. I honestly appreciated receiving. You know, just a communication to our office as well. And you are house and agencies like public. You know, effort to respond to the questions that we had a time. So it does leave me with just
2 questions. You know, one of the things that I really struggle with this amendment is in part because you are the largest land landlord in the city and seems a little counterintuitive and counterproductive to have tenant protections in place that apply to everyone else in the city except for our largest landlord in our largest current occupying no place that renters interact with. And so I did ask, you know, staff a little bit about the evictions I learned lot and I appreciate about the fiscal year and just how it operates. And I and I have a specific questions about the non payment Iran. Still that warranted some of the evictions. So in 2024, there
was 271 eviction filings for nonpayment of rent and that fiscal yar resulting in 48 evictions eecution rate of about 18%. In the fiscal year 2025, there were 393 filings for nonpayment resulting in 66 evictions for an execution of about 17%. So, you know, the execution rate went down a percentage point that the number of filings and the number of actual convictions resulting due to nonpayment of rent, increased which lads to the fiscal year currently, which is 191 filings resulting in 43 evictions to date fiction rate of about 23%. And so I'm wondering in that scenario you're talking about, which is if resident is unable to pay their rent, become 0, how are still having? Evictions due to nonpayment of rent? And I just kind of wanted you to elaborate a little bit more on what you're seeing in that regard because
I think that's really helpful context to have because the for making the argument that you need to exempted as an agency because you're able to work with tenants and maybe evictions in the way around on payment. But the nonpayment evictions are still happening. I'm wondering what is the cause? What's what are you seeing? Yeah, that's a great question. Comes from a Johnson. And Ella, just start with the caveat that that is not my programs. I'm gonna give you the best knowledge that I have with me at the moment. And so increase in the number that you saw, we were coming out of the moratorium. Eviction moratorium previously from the pandemic. So we had huge backlog. And so we're working. We were working through that a well. Trying
to settle as much as we can as you can imagine, staff are overwhelmed with trying to catch up with things as well and trying to settle and make payment areements as we can and keep up with those the courts were overwhelmed as well. So that is part of that increase from a year over And then. For the fact that some folks are still being evicted for nonpayment rent some folks just still not paying their portion even after they've reported there. Their change, though, sometimes the rent is $75 based on their income. And they're not pain. It. We have supportive services and we have residents services available to all our residents. And and we try to address that. We work directly with smiles, a lot to try to
set up settlement agreements before we have to go to eviction for non payment. But ultimately a lot of times we don't know why folks aren't pain their portion. If if that's the income that they have. And as a follow-up to if I MAY come present, thank you. During the eviction moratorium. And I think it's really important for all of us to also understand just there since concerns around the funding. And I'm just wondering during the eviction moratorium in a time where evictions were essentially halted at the state level. And just overall was their threats to your funding at that time What was guest list of? Could you help understand a little bit more about what that
actually translated to how the funding like, what were the impacts of the eviction moratorium because we had a moment in time where evictions were halted statewide. Great question. Council member members of council. So also had a moratorium in not immediately. But as I mentioned earlier, our tenant accounts receivables, increased. And so that is a performance measure standard for us. And so when we have to report annually to hide, this this is our performance standard. And we were carrying a large balance. They said, you it. You're not eligible for that capital fund. This time. And that's detrimental that those are capital projects that are put on hold. Those are hvac systems that aren't getting upgraded. Those are. Foundations that are not being 6. Those are. Plumbing.
Stacks that are being addressed. I mean, these are properties that were developed in the 60's 70's 80's that need significant work. And it's not just our multifamily high rises. We have over 400 scattered sites which takes a lot of work to e those are single-family homes. Those are townhomes and duplexes which are great asset. I think church community and I think that's one of the best have best part of our public housing portfolio is that we have these scattered site units across the city that someone has a 5 bedroom, single-family home with a yard and a great. Staircase and whatever, like nice home, you're not in a high res, it takes a lot maintain a 5 bedroom home and we're not getting the full op of capital fund from and then for the high today you because you're carrying a balance larger than
they want you to, you know, it's it's and nnstop balancing act of trying to house as many people as we can, but also. Maintain our standards that were not. Inadvertently hurting the families. We are also housing. I I have some comments, but to my colleagues as well. Thank you, mistress. I appreciate both. Both of those questions I think we is just items can and must pressing. Thank you, council think thank you so much for being I have a question for you about the you mentioned the capital fund. And that's what federal funding formula for that that's based on the balances that carried for 9 payments. Could you talk about that fund? How much to typically get from that fund and you have an estimate for how much
that fun MAY be impacted with. The pha wre subject to this change from 30 to 60, Thank Councilmember just unfortunately don't have that number. If you ask me about this section a program give that to you, it's not my program. I don't have enough the top of my head, but I could follow up and give you those figures. Only thank you. And I want to I want to apologize on your behalf. I think you were given maybe 2 hours notice before this meeting at which scheduled to be here. So I heard say, could we please have someone here from the ph? And I reached out you are available. So thank you for being here. And apologize to my colleagues that. It was last-minute request and that you're able to accommodate. I thought that director see that when she had
brief doesn't in the email, had mentioned something along the lines of $100,000. That's a thick of that sticking in my mind for some reason. But we could get. Though. Yeah, that was my understanding. I just. Was was asking so that everyone if they didn't know that information, would also know that too. Thanks, Mrs Definitions comment. Thank PRESIDENT The thanks. Thank you so much for being here. It's really helpful to just get all these questions answered as we make this decision about this amendment. I think. The questions that I have relate to, whether or not if we were to add this exception, we would still be able to achieve our goal of keeping people housed. What experience short or medium-term economic crisis as a result of Operation Metro Surge. And I think, you know, the reason that we're having these conversations because pj has systems in place to attempts
to solve for that. But I do ask them some questions to I think comes member Johnson's about why are we still seeing evictions for nonpayment in understanding that things are going to Very much understand that. But I think would be helpful to know a little bit more about. The process. And if residences questions that we can definitely be a follow-up, sort of. My questions are around what it looks like when somebody comes to you and says I was not able to work for the last month. If $75 is if they would have 0 income with abs to pay $75, if they, you know, if that was not amount that was feasible and they were in communication and working your staff with a the able to find a path forward that didn't involve incurring additional debt yeah, some people Councilmember home. And that's a question. Members of the council. For example,
today is MARCH 18th of someone came and told us, you know what? I lost my job today. Your rent would be change for APRIL first. So APRIL first would be based on whatever income is in your household. What we would anticipate. I prefer sits at 0. That would be 0. I believe the multifamily program does have a minimum rent requirement of $50. But then there's also hardship that can be requested, which would could be waived. I think the other related. question that I have one thing that I think it's really nice about this proposed ordinance is that I's straightforward. There's there's minimal paperwork requirements. You it's something that should hopefully be very inaccessible level of protection for folks. If you talk a little bit about you said that they would have to be verification that people have lost their job or had
been able to work for a certain period. He talked about how owners that might be sort if you all have found that that reporting your documentation has been a barrier to people being able to access the heart of benefit or the reduced red bubbles. question, Councilmember the reporting is really what is the starting point. So if you just report that to us, it's like, okay, we just need the verification. If you want to. If your job leads you off the give you the letter. Or it we can send a verification to your eployer. We have a 3rd party Vera and then we wait for it to get back to us and they will change your rent. But it's the reporting that is where we determine the date. And so it's like, ok, started today. I quit my job or I lost my job. Okay. We've have that
document. It is MARCH 18th. Now lets get the documentation in lines that we have all our ducks in a row. And this is a federal requirement. We have to verify the information that is not to jst that's not just a unique pha same pa ph a role that is a requirement by the federal government. I didn't. You mentioned. You know, if somebody has said that fired versus quit and, you know, some day what we've been seeing over the last few months as people who were tired, very much still have a job available to them, but didn't feel comfortable leaving their home with that, create any additional hurdles for people. Councilmember opponents agree question. So we have folks tat have reduced hours or do to work for whatever reason. We don't ask the reason why you're not working.
We don't ask the why Euclid or what have we just need the verification of the hours reduced or the non work days, whatever it MAY be to show that that number has reduced. For our auditing purposes and then well adjusted according to what that shows. that, too. But this can and then as well, just just super quickly. I appreciate the line of question because I do think that us those are some questions that I had as well for director Steve, about just how how easy is it for folks to do this? Is It sounded like reporting on income is something that is sort of a standard part of the process. If you are a tenant in a public housing agency home, is that right? I mean, I guess I'm wondering how much is this sort of? Natural baked in? Folks know how to do this
versus is this something that's unusual? Difficult to do. That's a great question. It is the standard practice. It happens when you start the program. It happens anually anytime you have a change anytime you move unit. You are required to. Report your income peers required to report your assets. Your required and to report changes in your household. You have a new baby. Someone moves out. It's all information that we have to verify. If you are a fixed income that is more easily verified because we have access to federal systems that allows to jot down that information. If you are on. We can also access that information. The Ramsey County directly. So that's easy for us to get. It's more the employer information that sometimes is a little bit more
difficult if they don't have their pay stubs ready. We do have some access to a service called the work number is very, very costly, though. So usually try to only use that as a last ditch effort so we can get pay steps that would be easier. But the work number is a very costly thing to utilize. It's time scams then Thank you. Yeah, this is great for some high. Thank you for being here. Yeah, I'm I'm interested and follow up on the total. Not about standing. That is. Like that. You're holding on the ledger right now. And I'm I'm really interested because there's so much mutual aid. So understand that like, you know, you don't want to be carrying balances. The family says families are accessing mutual aid like they're scenarios. In my mind wearing
hearing you speak someone is $150 behind in rent for 3 months. That's it right and so. I'm wondering about families accessing mutual aid and you not carrying a balance and the family still being able to maintain like, let's see the they've lost their job and they're utilizing mutual aid. I'm really interested in how many families are. If you can share, are current on their balance is still are showing like income loss. Like how many families have reported that they are unable to work. And yet the balance remains to date. But I think that this is kind of getting at like for me. Tere is so much opportunity for families to avoid falling behind, especially given how low some of these friends are and their
ability to access mutual aid. Well, to work. And it just makes kind of. No question the validity of the stands. But the validity. The current reality for te pha. So I would be really interested in what is the outstanding balance that remains on the ledger. And then what is sort of like the metric or score and what sort of the corresponding amount that would cause of doing for you and the risk to receive additional funding. I heard this additional funding for capital projects which I get you want to have like you have great units residents. But what is the and how does it correspond your ability to continue to provide like? House like substance subsidized housing. So what is that metric look like? Because
in my conversation it was their multiple measurements. This risk. And so I'm really interested in like kind of digging into that point. If this one metric is the thing that changes your ability to access funding for the pha, what is the measuring stick within that slight risk level compared to the balance that you have both to date and what would it take for you to get that thing? Council member came to me, just try to your questions or, you know, you want to know what we're carrying today on our blance. Yeah. And then what it would take us to get doing. So I do know offhand take us to visits a percentage and it changes. The year-over-year said to have to figure out what the current fiscal federal level is. But if you want to give me a couple men, take a look at what on our ledger right now. We get that from finance team every month
of what we're carrying. About standing balances. And then was there one more. So the question was and it wasn't. It was. Is being decided not to side. It think that those but truly their son areas where families have lost both incomes. Let's say Irwin. And they're not able to pay the rent that they are current. To me, that's like an illustration of our mutual aid. And some also really interested in, you know, what does that look like for then for you? The phfa families still claiming that they've income loss. And yet they're they're able to maintain rent their believe it. That doesn't change their ability to maintain. It's like the at job loss level of rent payments as I cracked think they'd have to like bring in certification saying I've got a job and not
just their ability to pay it. Councilmember Kym, so if they've lost their job and then they had an income change, they would have to send that verification and then we would change there income trip, their portion to reflect whatever their income would be projected. Yeah. But if they don't and they're still current, there's no question about how they're receiving money to stay current on their end. Ok, perfect. Thank you. Yeah. Folks willing to have a look that number so can get the percent. Really appreciate it. You play he's thank you. And I know you're like on the spot about it, it is the question of the day for some of us. No, I understand. And just just while you're doing that, perhaps maybe I can check my understanding because when you
mentioned the what I understand the pizza to be saying was that whenever the amount of time available to pay rent increases. So when you went from 14 days to 30 days. And now potentially from 30 days to 60 days. Your unpaid rent amounts increased. Not necessarily from folks who. Had had income changes, but from folks who had rent do whatever the amount was, but now had just more time to pay. And there's nothing. Wrong with that per se. There. They're taking the time that they now have to pay. But then you have more unpaid rent accruing on your balance sheet that you get evaluated for by the federal government. So so the people not the unpaid rent amounts are not necessarily from folks who have lost a job or lost income. They might be from people who. Were paying last month but now have more
time to pay and just wait a little bit longer. So for a longer period time you carry more of that and pay rent. And I. Saying that right, councilmember Nick or that it that is possibility and that we did see that added don't typically happened. I couldn't tell you how many of those - families, but what we did see is just there is an increase over time. People knew they had more time. Or a new that they like during the eviction moratorium that they wouldn't eicted. So they just stop paying ord really delayed their payments. Do you find the you know, I and I believe this is as of
FEBRUARY. I don't think that just. I know did ask the right all right, person or that Iran about anything. So I think it was a lot of data points. I'm just trying to get the summary. So for FEBRUARY we had 360,000 on the books. And so in the email I was sent talked about how. That changed. Went from. In 2021. Change one from 90,002 just under 400,000, which sounds like that number has essentially remained pretty stagnant. So question that I had to that. And I really appreciate this is that was my understanding. That is that it was a federal rule that change from 14 days to 30. So I just sort of like interested in sort of how ironic that is for them to change that rule themselves and ding you for it. I think that rule actually
ends this month. a actually it's in court right now. So it's on pause. Okay. So can use it to where things are you saying then that can use it to where things about So the 30 prevention role from is. The the current administration attempted to rescind It's been challenge straight now. Okay. It's not going to be rescinded anytime soon. Okay. But it is just I think the point that I'm trying to make is that I just find interesting for them to do. You want a metric that they then like they created a problem and then or do you want it? Councilmember Kim, welcome to dealing Yeah, I appreciate that allegation. But it is to say then that like that essentially the balance has remained fairly
stake, an end so far, ok, I just appreciate that. So then and that looks like it happened in 2021. And so over from 2021 2022. 23. 24 25 have you received a dating? Like how is that balance carried over that impacted or increased your risk to access federal federal dollars. Councilmember Kim, I don't know how many and how much we I believe it was in calendar year 20. For that we wear. But I would have to that verified that with our finance team. Yeah. And that was for did you say it was capital projects hear correctly the Capital Fund? Yeah. Okay. And one of the things that we can do, especially knowing that you have very little time to we can if there's these
sorts of questions and folks on the way before vote on the amendment, we can always leave this over and ask for this follow-up information to happen between now and next week. So don't feel like you have to give us information that you're not prepared to on the spot on the day is here as well. Some in Johnson and then he's PRESIDENT. Really appreciate you coming here questions I just wanted to share some context that at the moment, the temporary amendment, we're wanting to move, which is the 60 eviction notice period. wanted to do that the same time as there, majority of their members of did approve of their amendment. But I got vetoed by the mayor. I was very disappointed by the decision by Mayor Frey. I do what I mean in in that what the customers in the app it was that the Minneapolis Public Housing Authority,
which is Minneapolis ph, they didn't lobby for exemption. So there's discrepancy. There is one if you have any sort of insights on. Why is there that discrepancy? And I'm like, why? Why should you, Ali, just specifically your entity, get exemption. Thank you, COUNCILMAN, I can't speak to Minneapolis, poke it. Public housing authority, but they are they do have moving to authority. So their funding streams significantly than ours and they are able to utilize different funds and funds differently than we are. We are much more rigid and how we are awarded and how we are monitored. can Johnson and I so. I guess just a piece of that Could you talk a little bit
about the? The piece around? I saw 2 versions that actually came to my office from the housing agency. One of tem was specific to. To the Saint Paul Public Housing Agency. And then the other one was around. Whether any entity that rental property that received that receives federal funding that was interesting to me because I wanted to know. Justin said, you know, the first version was around whether they it should in exemption not. The exception should not be applied to residential units are 10 sees that are subject to federal, state or local income base housing programs or there was one that specific, which is the one that we're looking at today. And so I am just wondering and curious to council vice PRESIDENT's question, why. Why the same public housing agency? Receive
in its own separate exemption. Thank you. Councilmember Johnson for question. And so. The landlord's that receive that our partners in the housing choice voucher program. Essentially the families that we serve with that also have the scene benefits as our families that are in our. Publicly owned unit. So if they have a change in their income change in their household. They reported to us will change their rent. Portions. And so it is based on their income as well. The difference with the housing choice voucher program is that the only way the housing choice voucher program is successful as we need landlords to participate. We saw a decline and participation during the last moratorium. They will land really felt. Government agents
kind of left him out to dry didn't have any. They weren't receiving their rent payments. They didn't get enough funding. And they still had mortgages to We currently work with about 900 owners and most of them are small business owners. So it can have a significant impact on them as well. And so we why we need the partner is essentially to make this work. We are ready are trying to maintain all the families that we or as you can imagine, the federal funding and federal uncertainties are ready. It's causing concern with So anything too. Steer them away from the program. We would. We don't should be. And and as as a follow-up, I guess to shared with you know how how much money does when we
talk about the federal finding that we're referring to how much funding? He's received from head to the capital projects, funding. Councilmember Johnson, I don't have the exact number for the capital Fund for the on housing for the Section 8 side. We are basically a pass through to our landlords in Saint Paul annually about. Now it's almost 70 million a year. Okay. So and would you? Some us, would you say potentially if that's house and the Senate Section 8 program that the capital funding with around the same or council member, John probably more because the capital projects are like your bricks and mortar. So you're having to maintain property versus this is a subsidy. Okay. And I don't mean to sound like $100,000 is insignificant. I I want to
know that amount because they talking about this. You know, we're talking about the threat of funding, but I also kind of heard that about $100,000 number floating around. But when it's in the cntext of multiple millions, I'm not exactly sure what that impact poses. But I would you know, share that some of the things. And and I'm sure that so your team members also noticed been pretty vocal around 10 protections and bring to the protections back to the city of Saint Paul have also been really intentional about advocating for emergency rental assistance. And during a public hearing, we heard from several, you know, entities that also and more than clue did small landlords, but also, you know, some of our affordable husing developers and builders and landlords and overseers
mention targeted in emergency rental assistance. I want to share for you while you're here and for the team. You know, one of the things in 2024, that was concerning to me was seeing the eviction docket and the amount of money that people are being evicted. Foreign city of Saint Paul. I used several examples, but one of them is stuck out to me was a $50 example. We have people are saying that we're getting evicted over 50 bucks. $75 things that I would personally kind of pocket to get someone in their homes and prevent that instance of homelessness. And so I know we're talking about rent and just want to share that with, you know, with your team. And I will be, you know, pretty transparent with anyone asks. We are. I think capital funding. I think capital projects. And I think that funding that we received from height as few as vital and crucial. As much as I see if not more and keep individuals and their homes and ensuring that we do not
continue to see residents evicted over 50, but $75 $150. And so I hope, you know, I would just say separately from. The amendment that we're looking at today. I hope that the city's Saint Paul's emergency rental assistance as it returns can be in communication with you and your team as well and part because I really do see scenarios where $50.75, dollars. $150 evictions. Whether it's a 30 day notice or a 60 day notice being something tat you know, your residents qualify for the program that we And so ensuring that we have that effectiveness, you know, that's why working on this year because I think, you know, it's more than just hud funding. We are. We are talking about 30 to 60 day notice to try and give
individuals who are would be at risk of being and whether it's $50 to 5,000 and are, you know, time to make arrangements, time to prepare and not have to deal with walking around with really a scarlet letter of rntal housing, you know, with the eviction filing that's permanent, whether it's executed or not. You know, those are that's 191 units this year whose fmilies now have an eviction on the record and it is going to be a barrier, whether it was was executed or not to other housing opportunities. And so to me, that's kind of what we're talking about here really puts me in a bind considering an exemption to that notice even with some of the valid reason ballot. I'm
for us that we have. I think you freeze and the team has raised, you know, and it's just it's challenging because I think that when we began to have ordinances in place and then we create. We do create exemptions. We set the tone for future exemptions and that's what I've seen from rnc migration ordinance. That's what I've seen from our to protections ordinance like that. That has nothing to do directly with you today and being here. It's more of a context to give of right of what happens when we start to have stances the council but also create policies that are carve outs and especially particular situation. We have 4200 units that would be exempted with this change. And so I'm happy to give it more time and I'm happy to have further discussions. Council PRESIDENT, I would not be able
to support us tday. Thanks Johnson. I think his bully. that might be it for now get. Thank you. That's a PRESIDENT. Thank you so much for being here. Part of ongoing last are going low later. Zalmai quest for put out. I dd want to just make couple points did have a question, particularly I think what I'm hearing today, especially as we're learning a lot about now only Hut and Section 8 in the difference between like Section 8 and Section 42, which I found really insightful around how we approach now only eviction moratorium to how we approach our rental stabilization ordinance for deeply affordable housing and how we
define how it codify deeply affordable housing. I am compelled to lease review and have interests. And in learning more about this exemption, not for in spirit of a car out them are so to learn more about the impacts right? Because I I understand housing is nt equal. And and Ward we probably have the most public housing per capita insane pod. There's literally in like a 4, 5, block radius about 2 or 3 public housings. And that's not even including some of like the scattered housing that exist. So this is really impactful to my constituents. And I think it's really important. And I appreciate everything that was said earlier. But I do think it's really important to name the problem and the problem that trying to solve is the high of actions we I think, you know, the sirit around this extension is to lower the
amount of evictions there. Residents have have to face also to increase access to resources and rental assistance. Supportive services. Ii'm moreso revealing this question from a a lens of systems change and those of the year to see systems change. I don't see this exemption, you know, doing that. But I do see the spirit around the ordinance itself. Really. Creating those protections for people. Really at this point, we MAY have to codify rate some of the requirements not only from the landlord, but what we're also expecting from the Tenet when we do have extension know what are support of services are some strategic partnerships that
needs to be ingrained into public housing, which I would love to see. Sold in My question particularly. Because it releases seems like we're having conversations around accounting policy and finance policy. When we like the heart breath of what we're trying to do. Ensure people stay in their homes. So that my question, particularly is around like the reporting time line. Mean, when you talk about like hearing over a balance and that potentially harming the institution, your ability to actually receive those subsidies. How often does that reporting? I'm just wondering because we are having this extension is temporary extension until DECEMBER. And I'm just wondering if I timelines are
in alignment to wear when you as a as a institute has agency have to report this to the federal government. Is that an alignment with this extension? Councilmember we have to report that annually. And so it's with every I believe its calendar year. And if it's not counter its federal fiscal year, which would be SEPTEMBER 30th. And so and then if it's calendar year area, that would be 12. 31. So it would the within. And then last 2 questions you don't mind for the income verification is that applied to the entire household are just ahead of the household. Comes from that would be the entire household. And then my final question. 4. Understanding public housing is not the supportive housing. Can you speak
especially for like Saint Paul, are there integrated services? I'm just trying understand if someone is struggling with you heard today saw struggling with $50 paying rnt like is there integrated resources or services from the county city or the state? That's like house inside of his policy or public housing. There. Now, what is the the staffing makeup either navigators, what type of resources to the teens councilmember voice high raises have offices on site. So your property manager is there. Additionally, we have a very robust resident initiatives team as whole department that we have and we have old. I'm probably understating it over 100 its partners. So. And it's for youth to adults. So our property managers are well aware of all the resources
that we can offer, especially if you're in a high rise. There's a lot of resources on sight. Some of them are even partners with our city. So we have rec centers and our our high rises. In a multifamily buildings as well. And and ad then as I mentioned earlier, we work very closely with to try to settle before we get to any. Court, eviction Smiles works with a lot of our families as well. When there's nonpayment of rent are concerns. We also are members him, the continuum of care that hitting home Ramsey's. So we're always at that table sharing resources and information those partners come to us when they know of a concerned.
Are there concerns aout families and also our state representatives and your offices as well. Reach out to us when there's a concern. So we try to address issues as much as we can and head off any of those. Our goal is to provide safe and stable housing. I apologize of this came off as more of an accounting issue, but ultimately they county issue impacts are families. And that's why. go ahead click on I the the amount of the capital know that you didn't know how much isn't it is looking on your web say that looks like from 2022 or talking. Potentially tens of millions of dollars is my understanding in Seoul, the $100,000 number that because prison acre talking. I don't think that that's the amount
the fund and I also don't think that's him out. Fund would be impacted by from would make this change at nor the numbers. But it would be good to know that. But I'll just also say council present a clear and everyone here that I'm supportive of the of the amendment from my discussions, it seemed like it would make a big impact. But I also understand and appreciate we are trying to weigh how much does this impact the pha? And at the same time, how much does this impact people, you know, being able to stay in their homes and few cia's ability to provide housing to people and what that looks like long term. And it's you know, there's pros and cons to each decision. But I think that the with concerns about federal funding and just generally how much the future relies in federal funding. I'm concerned about that with with
this change. And so that's what I'll be supporting amendment. If we vote it today. Thanks just. Any other discussion. Wasn't going to try to move towards a potential Russian. First of thank you again for being here in extremely short notice and answering our questions. The you know, public housing agency reached out. I know many of us We're really interested in hearing from you because your trusted partner and you provide us Johnson pointed out the bulk of the affordable housing in our city. And that's really important to us. And we don't want to do anything to jeopardize that. I think the nature of the conversation that you're hearing here today is as just mentioned, an attempt to try to understand pros and cons, right? What's the potential impact? I think getting has now entered the official. The capillary.
What's the size of the ding? A? Possible from the federal government and hud. And how does that compare to the size of the capital fund overall members we don't have right now. And then the process as Ms Coleman was asking about, I thought very astutely us how one actually reports income loss to make sure that that's not overly onerous on resident. So I I. And moving the sometime paired with this amendment today, but I'm also very prepared to folks would like a week to allow the public housing agency to provide us with the answers to those questions and or for all of us to do additional research. Ad again, with the public housing agency, I'm happy to make that motion I can make any ocean yet and look to others to see where they're at I mean, I would I would still really like to understand that question of risk, right? Like if you've
been carrying a 300 and like the consistent balance and that hasn't changed sort of your risk level to access federal be interested to see like what is threshold look like and will also recognizing in the email I saw that you're also reducing and money. So that percentage and he really does go up just by the virtue of having. I think I saw it was like in a 5% last so I would like a little time to me. That's like the crux of what I'm I'm personally after. So I would appreciate a little more little more time to out information. You know, folks ready to vote, I also prefer to vote today. But I appreciate a little extra time.
Sorry, come the systematic after that I think could be helpful to have an extra Also. You know, given. Guess saved us naming this a lot that we do have a little bit of time here since the temporary extension. If and when it is passed with or without the amendment will go into effect into effect until MAY 14th. So. For anybody watching at home by doing this one-week extension. We are in no way shaking the timeline or delaying the protections of the available to tenants given that killer come to when appreciate the time. Thank you coming. And thank you for naming that. Yes, this would not be actually doing anything about when this would become, in effect. Okay. Well, seeing General head nodding no mask of head shaking around the table and going to move when we play
over. Really appreciate again, robust conversation. This is the kind of half a policy-making that makes me proud to be part of this council. So thank you again. Hopefully watching the video of this will help with some of the specific questions and please feel free to reach out to us directly. If you clarification on the things that we were asking So thank you with that. When back and I just want add one question, then that's a follow-up. I'm thankful for the Lee over because it gives me a little more time to also digging in and to have my meeting as well. So separately. We have been talking about this particular exemption in regards to Operation Metro Surge. I actually would love to see the data that we are able to see him regarding demographic of the folks that have either received evictions or,
you know, are currently they're. So if you have broad overview of of the demographic, the residents that you have and that can be shared. I'd love to see that data. Busy week. All rght. So thank you so much. Again, I will move the clay over all in favor, say Aye. I post 7 in favor. None opposed. The ordinance is laid over to MARCH. 25th. Item number. Item. Number 19, a second reading public hearing of ordinance, 26 Dash, 17 administrative ordinance, establishing the minimum qualifications for the vacancy for the positional fire chief. Pursuant to the provisions of Section 12012.1 of the And even though this is technically a public hearing on our second reading, we did not have staff available address last week for our staff reports that we've all
come up. Are department of tr 2. Give us update on this ordinance. Welcome. Thank Good afternoon. And it Christie, Howie, I am the hr consulting service manager. I wanted to just kind of go over the changes that we have proposed put forth and any questions that you only have with that prior to doing that. This is part of the city charter process for hiring or next fire. Chief. And so the first thing we need to d is establish a minimum requirements for the fire chief in order for us to be able to post the job. So this is a future. And that's just being able to get the process going. And is this will this display for everything? So I just have to sites for you really simple. And the first one is going to be the changes that we're proposing. And then the next it just going to be
the things that we've carried over the first the first bullet. You'll see here is a bachelor's degree or higher. Along with sme prefer degree us that kept over from the previous requirements. Then the biggest change here is going to be the no substitution for education. So previously we've allowed for experience to substitute for education with this position. With that, the overall leadership that we feel that folks learn from. Hair education, fire service management. Like I said, leadership skills will really strengthen the professional standards beyond
what was listed for a chest experience. Only so that's where the no substitution for education is coming from the second full eight-year is really just a cleanup of language previously. We had it this. That is just 3 years of command experience. And in a full-time paid fire department. The second part of that being at a district or battalion chief and then looking at what that command experience looks like. This is just our way of modernizing the language in cleaning that up. The only other change from the previous requirements to the current ones that we're proposing is an out of title, the cabbie out that was in there before that. If someone served in and out of title
position for 6 months or more, we could use that towards the than meeting the minimum requirements. We're eliminating that are are proposing to eliminate that for a few things. Number one, the first Israeli within out of title. Appointment that somebody has the accountability, a scope of poor. Just really expectations around that can vary widely. And so we want to make sure that folks are prepared to be the fire chief prepared to meet these requirements as we've set forth. And then the. So those are the main And then the last, like I said, these canges are are these are no changes. So 13 years of experience working in a full-time paid fire dpartment and then looking for folks
who've worked to unionize environment with the Land, Advanced Life, Support Services being that that is a huge majority of the calls that fire department takes. All right. Thank you so much for the presentation. Just 1, 1, quick question. Can you give an example just in layman's terms, what would working out of title mean what we examine? Yeah, absolutely. So if someone is maybe a fire captain and we have vacancy at a district chief level, someone can be put into that position without necessarily qualifying for it for a short-term basis to just fill as the department had a need for that. And so with that, there is no real guidelines that the department needs to use in order to determine what they're going to pick for that. And so for us, we really wanted to be a
consistent approach for these requirements being mt. Thank Some in those Thank Thank you for all this. I think quite a bit. That makes good all this going very careful about adding higher education requirements as non officials and not letting people substitute for experience. So I would just love to hear a little bit more about how you walk into that recommendation. How compares to other departments potentially other jurisdictions? Just aything more might be helpful there. we like PRESIDENT And then add questions how along the same lines, if you have any sense of how many candidates applicants we had in the previous round used concert experience instead of one of
those degrees. I would say it's very minimal because there has a narrative around senior-level leadership positions higher education, a secondary education is part of development process for professional and leadership. all it is common. Asked about. Yeah, just so is that primarily Wyoming change then is that just weren't getting many of these applicants yes. So that, what we're really looking for is that executive level leadership ability. And so on that based on conversations with him, department leaders in fire as well as where we have that
kind of established executive letter levels, leadership within the city that does align with that. thank you. Council PRESIDENT Pre she ate brief overview the question around the 13 year requirement. What's the reason behind the 13 years? Because like a it's a at number. I'm just trying understand like in the profession, it's a 13 year, some type of threshold, publication seems it does seem on it is fires. I. I can't speak specifically to the 13 years, but I can say that threw out the way these requirements are written, they build upon. Experience right that we that we would it the lead someone to gain throughout their 10 years. So currently within the fire as you're hired on for a firefighter, you have to wait 3 years to
become a fire equipment operator. You have to wait a few more years to become fire captain, few more years to become a district chief. And I believe that based on the district chief level requirements as well, that does require 10 years experience. And so adding these 3 hears allows someone to me based on, you know, that district level or higher for them to qualify for the position how grants for the question of the skin who is typically on the hiring panel for our fire. She and I only ask because on APRIL, 11th, we have a fire off. Stay. We should extend them an invitation to
come fire ops with us that day. But can you tell us a little bit sound that hiring panel? He has. So that action is a separate ordinance and that will be putting forth. Sure the commission xp, but with the selection panel, we typically. We'll look for a variety of folks, right? Because we know that diversity of thought. experience really does bode well for us to help with decision-making. So we will have. former hgh-level rain king individuals from the Saint Paul Fire Department. We are looking to add and folks headed in minutes straight of level because there is a lot of business type things that
go along with this position because of our heavy involvement or because of that, basic life support that the department does provide being like 85% of calls. We will also ask for members of from Regions Hospital who serve as our medical directive have them help support and provide there in the past. We the asked members of the Hero Commission, folks from the State Fire Marshal's Office. So we train get a variety of folks in addition them not only with their professional experience or knowledge of that, but community members as well to weigh in. But to that point, it is an ordinance. And so we do get to decide who is on that selection committee. It's one
of our responsibilities of the council. So my office will be spearheading that. And commissioner council director. But I would definitely be reaching out to everyone's office is because I want this to be a collaborative process to determine who's on that. And of course, we will greatly welcome at recommendations as to the sort of people who should be on that. Second. And 3rd them coming to ap's day Johnson. Yeah, I was just Us has had some chance to review just some of the practices that they did under Councilmember Stark when they brought committee. So we are really interested as well. And and what that process includes an appreciate just kind of learning about that next phase. And then just why, Anderson, to the changes related to the previous year was primarily the first slide is different from Iran. And just for my awareness as well. You can easily go back to
Henry the ordinances. But if you know, I'm you, speak to the this is not changing the first slide. These are recommendations and you just again speak to the the rationale for both of Back to the previous slide Thank you. So the biggest change for the updated around education. Is there no substitution education and then we have had previously a bachelor's or higher degree in. These preferred. Degree studies. So fire Science, Business Administration, Public Administration. We have taken that to just really haven't read as a preferred knowing somebody with a degree or a it teaches what we look ahead in. Her hr,
as we assess requirements of positions. Is that what you gain from the higher education, right? So we're looking for things like decision making problem solving critical thinking. And so we didn't want to eliminate anyone who MAY not have that traditional path in the education piece, but still having those other qualities that you will obtained through that education. So that's going to be te biggest thing for that change. And then like I said for that second bullet, it really was just a combination of 2 bullets from the previous requirements, too clarify the language in clean it up a little bit. So the language was written more internal candidates to understand. So we don't use battalion chief and the city of Saint Paul. Use district chief. And so we wanted to
make sure that it was clear to folks outside of the city of Saint Paul as well. Thank you so And to that point, I think just just name it are responsibility. As we look at these minimum qualifications and in particular, the changes is to make sure that there are no changes that are being made that will particularly advantage or disadvantage a particular candidate. I tink that that's one of our responsibilities here. So as we look at these changes that just making sure that there above for that, their objective that they have rationale behind them, not that they're being tweet this time so that somebody who's potentially in the pool this time it's going to be advantaged or disadvantaged. And this is an ordinance so we can amend Folks in towns like again, the meet the big substantive change is not allowing substitution for education requiring that
education, correct. Any other questions? Before we have a public hearing. Thank you so much. Thank you. Spaces to the public hearing section of our agenda. So when we call you're a public hearing, if you're here to testify, you'll just come to the front stand between the 2 microphones. You don't need to adjust them at all or bend over to stand up straight. They'll pick up just fine. You have 2 minutes to testify. The start with your name and where you're coming from. And when you're done, please make sure to sign in. And I have the job of keeping you to 2 minutes. But there's also a time or in front of you. So help me help you help us. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item will come up. Thank you for being patient. my name is Sarah Gardner
and they live in Ward 7. Here to try to talk about the degree requirement. Thank you for asking the question about it. But do believe that required a formal degree requirement for the Saint Paul Fire chief position MAY sound like a move towards professionalism, but in practice, it risks being. Exclusionary and equitable. Leadership can be built through years of hands-on experience, internal training and community knowledge, not just academic credentials, adding a degree requirement can disproportionately filter out highly qualified candidates who've risen through the ranks, particularly those from working class backgrounds or communities that have faced a systemic barriers to higher education. It narrows the pathway for diverse leadership. And if we know that access to higher
education is not equitable across race income, gender and age than making a degree gatekeeping requirement reinforces those disparities rather than correcting them. Saint Paul should be expanding access to leadership opportunities by removing the paper ceiling and not limiting it to those who have had the time money or opportunity to obtain a degree. If te goal is strong leadership, then we should value lived, experience proven service and community trust just as much as a formal education and not treat degree as the only sign of capability. Thank you. Thank you very much. Make sure Anyone else here to speak on this item. Seing none. I'll take a motion from is believed to close the public hearing on the matter, willing over till MARCH 25th.
4. I know the option and or all in favor say Aye. I'll post. 7 in favor nor opposed the public hearing is closed in. The ordinance is laid over to MARCH 25th for final adoption item number Twenty's resolution public hearing. 26 dash. 66 approving the application Allianz Field for some level variance in order to present amplified sound for the Great Lawn concert series event on Friday's MAY. 29 jokes like me for playing 31 and AUGUST 14 and SEPTEMBER 18, 2026 at 400 Snelling Avenue north outside Allianz Field. And jst because a point of personal privilege, every time I some level variance for multiple consecutive dates, it makes me think of 2 people, Elisa Diaz and condo and Eric Hudak, our Department of
Safety inspections for coming together to discuss the desirable greater to have multiple Friday night concerts throughout the summer on their brand new patio and that size requirement that every single one of those receiving some of the variants we were able to meet. We were able to talk about it and we were able to come up with this ntion of a series, some of vriants. And it's a long title, but it represents iprovement tend willing to accommodate and yes city. So. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Please? Zach wrote us senior director operations for United on its field probably submitted a quite a fw Sello variances. So thank you for all of view over the years. It's obviously a new one. So just want to present ourselves. Obviously many soccer games, Allianz
Field over the years. Some big concert to the past. This is hopefully one of many steps towards providing entertainment in and around Orleans field in the midway a little bit of a smaller scale. But one that's really engaging for the community around us. I'm so excited. Present the summer series and happy to answer any questions. Thanks so much there. Any questions. All right. Thanks much for coming here to speak on the As you much from this cause a public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. A post 7 in favor. None opposed. The resolution is adopted item number. 21 is resolution public hearing. 26 67 authorizing the police department to accept the 2026 intensive comprehensive. He's officer education training 2026. From the state of Minnesota. Department of
Public Safety Office of Justice programs authorizing the execution of grant agreement and amending the 2026 grant budget and adding activity. But this is a public hearing. Anyone here to speak to this item? Seeing none. I'll take a motion from Ms Coleman to close the public hearing and approve all in favor say Aye. I almost 7 in favor not oppose. The resolution is adopted item number. 22 is public hearing. 26 Dash 4 public hearing and grievances about federal immigration operations. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak on this item? Seeing none motion come to vice PRESIDENT And to close the public hearing all in favor say Aye. All opposed 7 in favor. Not post. The public hearing is closed and MR. Thanks PRESIDENT. Just wanted to reiterate my comments from last week. Very grateful to the council here for your
support and keeping the public hearing opened for many weeks. Been a key to our council here, getting input from 2 members. Sb responded to operation. Research I'm also very grateful everybody who came and testified and want to encourage people to continue e-mailing and Callie and interacting with our council offices for me any initiatives or grievances that you continue to have. And thank you again, vice PRESIDENT For your leadership on creating And as we said lst week, the the work is not done neither is the opportunity to reach Justin many, many ways. So thank you. That brings us to the any other comments That brings us a legislative hearing section of our agenda this moment. Council PRESIDENT Elect those as as part legislative hearing consent agenda items. 23, 31 or before you for your
consideration. We both really came the public hearing that goes want to make And I thank you for I'm not aware of anyone here to testify state All right. And that is we will hold a public hearing on all of our legislative hearing items that once that's number 23 to 31. If you're here for an item between 23. And 31. Now it's your public hearing. Please come on up. Seeing none. I'll take a motion from a scam to close the public hearings and approve the items as amended by and recommended legislative hearing. Officer all in favor say Aye. I post 7 in favor not pose a legislative hearing. Consent agenda is adopted as amended. this the end of our agenda and news from works a noose from the arts. There are some news about somebody being here
today. I seen is Johnson was going to say about it. Folks want to come and meet. My son is an says an official. Honorary council and training. So if you feel the need come over to visit, you are welcome to do so. He got a chance to hang out with counsel him earlier Come field. I can tell you feel the need. Other news from the words or the word offices, this book. Thank you. Just get this together here. So I have some good news this year. We are Pulling it up. So the Saint Paul and the way cp is hosting a meeting greet with the mayor at how few Brown Community Center tomorrow gets the opportunity tomorrow and a 5.30, to 6.30. I also knew from my ward
there's going to be a coffee and cnversations. About the Rondo renovation plan. So there's going to be some and put cmmunity input of people are interested in library design. Please feel free to join us for going to be there from 10, 30 to 12, 30. And there's one last thing this Saturday. The van to the round of the land trust they've had a launch party years ago. They're going to be launching their small business incubator. So opening up there exchange rate on the and the heart of Selby Avenue 8.56. 0, b at the Golden Time Cafe. So not the restaurant and bar but the cafe. Believe it's right on their sell-by in Victoria, but that's taking place 30 to 3.30. So I'll be there speak. I believe will be there. And also you can join us for a
ribbon cutting. Thank you so much. Excitement. I hope is the final time I ever saw combination at this table. Cvs down. Yeah. And they made entirely unchecked personally class yards. But it's like. It's really, really coming down today. So think you'll feel it even talk about the stakes in a row 2 fb midway. Who would really hard for many years in a row to get this building down. Thank you. Common and this a other good I can share. This is sort of or 2, but it's really citywide. It happening more too. But on Monday from 3.30, t 7 at Roy Wilkins Auditorium. Because they needed more room because this event is getting so popular right track, which is our cities. Youth internship program is
having their career Exploration day. And so it's a chance for the new White. A one in turns to me all the different possible employer host for the summer asking questions, learn about that job. It's a really cool opportunity to meet lots and lots motivated. Excited young people share something, maybe that your career path. So if you want to step it 30 to 7 on Monday Wilkins. Anything else from the courts seeing none. Thank you all so much for a great meeting. We