Calling the City Council Budget Committee to order c. So do in attendance for big news. You like to call House members for attendance sharing is excused. Vice chair can present Councilmember Johnson. Councilmember just councilmember maker here Councilmember provides here. Councilmember here. And Councilmember Johnson entered the room suddenly of that is 6 present. One excuse perfect. Thank you. So it's day. We are having a presentation by. The state to monitor for. So we're going to welcome DR. Susan Power. And we'll hear about the latest population trends I Saint Paul that using the 2020 census Data. Susan Bauer is
the Minnesota State demographer and directs them in us a statement, demographic center. Season became the state mother for in FEBRUARY of 2012. And in that capacity, she travels the state talking with Minnesotans about the new social and economic realities that are brought about by recent demographic shifts. Sissons work applies and understanding of demographic trends to changes in a range of areas including the state's economy and workforce education, health, immigration and rural population changes. Welcome. Thank you so much for being here. One of the connecting point. So we just had and then I'll let take it off. Is debt capacity presentation? One of the ways that we are graded, one of the many ways that we are graded is looking at kind of the wellness of our population, how educated we are, what our wages Households look like. So it's perfect timing to have
the state might refer can present. So without kick it off to you, doctor out. Absolutely. Thank you for having It's great to be here. I will share with you today. Some information about the city of Saint Paul specifically and also some information about. The state. in the U.S. Because part of the power of demographics is that when we look at these figure trends that are impacting. All of us outside of a particular city or county or even states, we can really get a picture for what the future will look like. And so. with your permission, I'll toggled between the city and the state that really is to provide larger context for what we can expect in the future. When when I moved up to higher levels of geography. experience and expertise
specifically is in population dynamics. How the state is growing births deaths. Migration make that up. And so I will explain to you kind of what we expect based on what we've seen with those trends. I also have a lot of access to data. So if there is something that you're not seeing here today, that would be particular value to you and happy to follow up with additional information. That to start talk about the population growth of Saint Paul and the Twin Cities. So we're looking here at a map of the cities within Twin Cities. Metro are kind of zoomed in on the Twin Cities. Metro here. What w can see are where there are darker cities maps there. There's been a higher growth rate between 2010 2020. And and looking back to that decade because we have a very clear view on what happened there.
It gets a lot murkier which I'll show you in a minute after Twenty-twenty. the last decade, the 20 ten's are really a period of high growth for Saint Paul will look at what that looks like in a minute. But historically very rapid growth, both for Minneapolis and Saint Paul 9% over the course of the decade for Saint Paul, 12% for Minneapolis. After many years of of much slower growth or even declines. the high areas of growth that we saw in the center cities Minneapolis and Saint Paul last decade was also a phenomenon that happened across the U.S. Across metros in the U.S. Are really kind period of very rapid growth in center city. And so that is something that we experienced here in the Twin
Cities as well. What we began to see toward the end of that 20 ten's nationally is dssipated growth in the center cities that movement out towards suburban areas began. We didn't quite see that. During the last decade, but it looks like we MAY be seeing some of that but just to kind of can text allies very high growth decade, along with many of the suburban cities that you see here as well, particularly in the outer along the outer edges. Given that a question from te council PRESIDENT, chair, so looking for this presentation, I just curious. I know here we're looking at rates changes. And I'm curious about nominal changes. Just, you know, if I've people move to a
release, that's going to be huge percentage increase, right? Reza? 5 people move to Saint Paul. You don't even notice. Is the trend point out. Also, when you look at just numbers of people moving to cities are moving to suburbs, moving to rural areas in terms of who's doing what? Great question. Thank What we last decade was a tremendous increase in terms of rate and numbers in the center cities. And and we're also seeing kind of along the edges of the Metro, a largely America increases. So I would say it's kind of the edges and the very center cities that we And now which which will see here, the moment we're seeing kind of a leveling off of growth in Saint Paul. Same with Minneapolis as well. So not as much growth as we saw last decade.
If we look kind of and scientists that answer Thank And so if we look for bck to 1950, even we can see historical trend line for the total population of Saint Paul and in 2010, the same population reached the levels that it had last seen in the 1970's. So it had been a very long time since it had kind of reach that just above the 310,000 mark. And you can see again that period between 2010 2020 where that increased rate of growth occurred. What we're seeing now since that time has a leveling off. I mention that and nationally that's happening in urban areas, kind
of this dissipation of growth out toward suburban areas. We're seeing it here now and Minnesota as well. They're slightly different estimates. Format council are census, but both aree the U.S. Census Bureau that both sets o estimates of the population since the last census agree that that the growth rate is not what it had. Prior to 2010, again, this is part of a national trend. Oftentimes I see this in the state as well. And for many cities that many. People tend to look inward and say what is it about our city that is no longer growing at the same rate. It really has to do with It has to do with building patterns. But it also has to do with a larger demographic contacts that I'll share with you well.
So feel free to look inward. But also there are plenty of context outside of you that I say think these kind of trends. The important thing to note is that rapid growth really appears to have leveled in the last few years we're seeing less growth across the Twin Cities. And in the next slide, we're looking here at each of the metro counties and the 7 cunty metropolitan area as a whole. And each decade from the 1990's to 2024, we're seeing from almost urban county here, much lower growth. And we've seen in the past and in particular in the last 4 years, we're seeing very little growth on average or in the case of Hennepin and Ramsey County, an actual decline is with Census Bureau has estimated. Now the Council's numbers. Are a bit higher than this. They they anticipate are they
projects? And they estimate just a tiny little bit of growth. In Ramsey County Hennepin County. So they largely agree that the numbers are The growth numbers are lower, the Census Bureau has it has in terms of a negative population change. So what's happening? Why are we seeing this lower level of growth? And these are the bigger demographic contacts that Iwas tlking about. And we don't often think about births and deaths is fueling population change. But it really is the engine of growth and we our brains tend to think straight to migration, who's moving to a place whose moving away from the place. But underlying all that
changed related to migration are the number of births, a number of deaths. And when you have a county or a state or even a city that is older or aging, it's much harder to grow from births popular at population losses are greater because of tests. You have more people in the high mortality, age groups. So think all 10 of our. Demographic context is just kind of blanket Think growth just because we are an older state where older counties. And in this context where we have fewer we have more deaths at. Migration becomes a much more important piece. Of growth overall. for Ramsey County, as we're seeing here, there's been a net loss of domestic migration, meaning people are
moving out of Ramsey County to other places in the state are in the U.S. More so than they're moving in. But there's been a net increase in people because of international migration. I sure would show you the same poll numbers if I had them, but we don't get them at at the city level. We get them at the county level. So that's what I'm These numbers with you here. So for Ramsey County, that 10,000 population, that's last It is. It is partly a story of a domestic migration But also, you know, we're seeing less and less growth just because of births over deaths. So I did talk about so early in the morning, but it's part of my so wat we're seeing for the state overall is less and less when we project forward less and less natural increase going forward. These are state
numbers now and we expect that moving into the future by 20 by the late 2040's that we will not grow because of her own natural change. Our own internal momentum. Any growth that the state does have will be at need to come from pople moving here from other states or from other countries. That's just where we are today. That's population dynamics and Ramsey County fits into that and say Paul as well, that we've just got this kind of dampen impact. Coming because because of our demographic situation. Overall. Council, PRESIDENT Acre thanks, chair how does that compare to other to the country as a whole and other states? Is that just a lot of baby boomers and that that kind of nationally or or is Minnesota Ramsey County in a different state for some
reason. So All, you know, the baby boom happened across the U.S.. And so the whole of the U.S. Is experiencing. Aging right now at a rate that we haven't experienced in the past. However, some areas of the state have higher levels of migration. From other places in the U.S. And some areas have higher levels of international immigration from other areas at around the globe. And so to the extent that the we feel the impact aging and of this demographic change really hinges on whether or not we have kind of healthy inflows from other states and from other countries. The Midwest and the northeast of the U.S. Tends to be tends to have less migration in. We tend to be
net exporters of people to the southwest and to Western states. Southern That's just been the case is part of kind of where we are on the map. And so it's not unusual. I will say Minnesota does a little bit better in terms of growth and elsewhere. But I will say kind of specific for Ramsey County and even for Saint Paul. What we have been seeing in recent years has been. Could have. Lower levels for urban counties and for cities across the board. Again, aging is impacting all of that. But it's a question of how much is migration making up that difference? And it. really varies depending if you're looking at a city county or if you're in the Midwest or the southwest of
the United States. Okay. So want to talk a little bit just about population aging in this really has an impact and public budgets. It MAY not at the city level. MAY. But where we really expect to see it is at the state level, which will have impacts, of course, for 4 cities as well. a major milestone that was recently met met is that we have more older adults in our state and we have school-age children. Ages 5 to 17. And the reason that I'm picking these 2 age groups because they tend to be the age groups that receive the most public services in the form of k 12 education in the form of health. term certain psi and the
hand, Tucker, long-term services and supports and so it's major what will you can see that it's occurring head of slowly over time and then the aging trend picked up in 2010 is the baby boomers reach age? 65? It's really kind of a major milestone, not only demographically, but in terms of public budgets. As we see more pressures all around. For the groups that tend to receive public service is the most. And so that's kind of the significance of. Of those 2 age groups and the fact that we now have more older adults, then school-age children. comes from Wrigley. Thank
you. And I questions for this to say what's contributing to the high population. Baby boomers is like, are we in the world where they aging like a longer than in terms of like 18 50's or 60's and 70's. Are people just like aging longer now? And if you could talk about some of those factors. Particularly how we have more, you know, more seniors now have school age kids. So the largest impact is just the fact that so many of them were born 65 plus years ago. Yes, they are living a little bit longer and due to a number of factors. You know, including access to health care, but also kind of socioeconomic factors that
extend life expectancy. But I'd say the reason that we're seeing this now is not just because of an increase in life expectancy. It's just because that cohort is just so and they're reaching age 65 at this point. And so that's how we know that they will continue to age, you know, for the rest of this decade, up to 2030, and then we see a leveling off as the nxt cohort Generation x starts to reach those ages. There's just not as many of them. So we'll see that population level off a little bit. We do say a relatively older Excuse me. We do stay relatively older state into the foreseeable future. And that doesn't turn around. Still have a higher
percentage of older adults and so kind of the services and the budget structures that we have to support this different demographic group will be in place into the foreseeable future. So one of the things can kind of help us get our brains around where we are with respect to. The aging of the baby boomers and how it impacts public budgets. Our economy is to think about just where are the baby boomers right now in their lives? The first baby boomer turns age 65 in 2011. So they started to reach that retirement age. Now over a decade ago. Most the most, you know, 15 years ago, we started to see more retirements. And we started to feel an impact on our labor force on
our workforce. You know. 20 years ago, people were not thinking about labor for shortages. Al, in fact, they they would kind of think that you are not if going to be talking about labor force shortages. No, that's something that we have experienced. Looking at the last 15 years or so. We've continued to see those retirements build. Until 2029. Until the last of the baby boomers reach age 65. So that's really thank you so much. That's really been a period of the impact of aging has been around workforce growth. And I know the bonding agencies. This is something that they certainly look at. How's your labor force growing? And this is an impact that that is important for really
all states that are experiencing the aging of the baby boomers. Again, we feel it more severely tan some other states and some other areas just because we don't have the same levels of in migration. And that other places too. We're just beginning to be at pint in terms of our public budget. So sorry interrupt there was a friend a church on Sunday. Thank you. I appreciate it can serve as PRESIDENT. And thank you so much for being here as well to just kind of go through. Some of the population in depth since are at the later stages of the impact pace for workforce. Could you just highlight some of the things that we I guess have seen in the last? Couple that it's because I just noticed now
that we have like pretty much 5 a little under 5 years left. I think workforce piece of impact and so when you say impact or when we think about like what impact that it's had, what does what it's like? The sub? Corey's under absolutely. Thank you for that question. the biggest impact is that our workforce just isn't growing at the pace that it has in the past. And that's because the baby boomers are moving into retirement and we are not. Having. Ad children to the birth rate isn't high enough to make for those last us. So when we mke our projections out for our labor force growth going into the future, we're seeing very little growth. This just. Almost the same number of
workers that we have today for the next 10 years for the next 20 years. And that's a very different economic in labor force contacts than we've seen in the past. It has lots of implications. Lots of tentacles. Among them for for employers is just the inability to find workers. You know, if it's in a job like in health care, whether it's a support, kind of a job where you need someone do it, providing direct care and a daily basis or whether it's someone in a higher tech, higher skilled type job in health People have been having a hard time in Minnesota. Employers have been having a hard time across the board finding workers to fill and they've had They've had to
find new ways to fill those gaps. So I would say that that specifically that workforce impact is slower growth. And players having a hard time finding workers and then looking for new ways to. Employee that the people that we already have or retrain the people that we already have or to kind think of new ways to To recruit people from elsewhere. That's kind of the new context. New in the last 10 years that we didn't see. 20 years ago at all. It was on a player's radars to he's thinking, how do we how do we find people in other states again are some nice. You don't have a shortage of is I think what people have
about in terms aging and in terms of public budget, this is really important because health of the state budget and even the federal budget hinges on our ability to provide. K 12 education provide health care, long-term care services. And so as the baby boomers move into this older age group, we will begin to feel kind of are resettling in budget pressures all around because there's 4 people in these age groups and 2. To demand these services. Yes, I know this is a pall. It is the context in which pass it. So I just wanted to be clear that as we're seeing those kind of state level budget pressures. That's te impact now with aging in Saint Paul, Saint Paul's, a relatively young city compared to the U.S.. So we're looking
at the age structure of say Paul compared to the U.S., but also compared to Minnesota. And you can see kind of te the wait for the concentration of people at the lower younger ages here. a healthy number of people in their 30's in their late 20's. And so that suggests that will see population growth going forward. Just because you have a younger population here than elsewhere. But again, those other forces are at play, too, that I described earlier with respect to migration. But just know that when we're talking about the impact of population aging. On Saint Paul, it's not necessarily coming from that will see so many more seniors.
So much aging happening with in Saint Paul. That MAY happen to a degree, but it's really going to be the impact of aging outside and budget pressures and so forth outside that will have I think the greater impact on the city. It's just kind of the aging that's happening outside of the city in particular. Compared to other another city, Minneapolis compared to Ramsey County. Again, you can see here if we look at the child population. About 23% say has a little bit younger than Minneapolis is. And if we look at another measure of that, just percentage of older adults, you can see a lower percentage there as well. So again, that just speaks to the fact that aging is happening to all of us. It's happening in Saint Paul, but especially outside of Saint Paul with in Minnesota within the U.S. Is where some of those impacts will flow through. The budgeting process to to cities and individuals. I just
wanted to give you a visual to kind of Paul children. Where they live the size of them relative to other nearby city. So we're looking here at a map. The size of the circle represents how many children there are in each city under the age of 18 and that that the color of the dot represents the percentage of that city. That is a child. So for the very darkest circles, you're seeing higher proportion of those areas are children. It tends to be the. Suburban cities that are growing very rapidly that have new housing developments were younger. Families are moving to kind of on the edges of the metro. Minneapolis and Saint Paul have. have a slightly older population, then some of those suburban cities. But you can
see how many children relative to all the other suburban cities are in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. So just a visual representation of te number of children here compared to other Metro cities. And they want to talk increases Changes in diversity. Increases with respect to racial and ethnic groups. Here I'll start at the state and then drill down to Saint Paul. can see that there has been an increase. Among populations of color or black indigenous people of color, bipoc populations in the state of Minnesota that really picked in the 1990's at and we've seen that carry through today. So. Well, the native are indigenous American Indian population hs not grown as rapidly because it hasn't had kind of the same benefit of international immigration.
We've seen the a tremendous amount of growth for other major racial groups, including black or African-American, Hispanic or Latino and Asian. We've also seen a big increase in people reporting multiple races, as you can see here. One of questions that was proposed to be in in a pretty day here has say Paul reached the point at 50% of the population. The lines to buy pot group. And looking at the numbers, i would say in reality, my answer is ever. The numbers are not quite showing that So this is a an average of 2019, the 2023. and we're seeing 49.4% of a Saint Paul residents are
people of color. It's really likely higher than that. Due to kind of non-response bias due to sampling error. That kind of thing. But if you're just to look at the numbers coming out of the Census Bureau, this is this is what they're showing is of the most recent number. And I'm sure that as we continue to move a couple years in time, that will that increase the lift a little bit more. So about a 15152,000 residents of Saint Paul belong to a bipoc group. And you can see that the largest groups are by Aian residents of Saint Paul and Black or African American as wll. And you can see kind of I've sorted here, just the largest bipoc groups by city, Minneapolis as a little bit
higher on the list Saint Paul followed by a Brooklyn Park, Rochester, Bloomington, some of the largest groups there. I will say that 11% of people who self identify as bipoc. Live in the city of Saint Paul, 11% of the state population lives in Saint Paul. So a significant proportion. One in 10 live in the city of Saint Paul. A very large number there. Saint Paul has the largest Asian population of any city. We can see that kind of glancing down the here. 54,970 is latest estimate. And the second largest population for black or African-American, Hispanic and multiracial residence. One of the reasons
we know the states and the city will continue to become more diverse into the future is not only because of migration fueling an increase in diversity. But also because as we get younger and younger, we have greater. Diversity, you can see. 75% of children in safe all belong to a bipoc group are children of color. And you can see that to even, you know, going. 15 and younger. That's about the percentage. So the vast majority as those children age into the older groups will continue to see and of greater diversity at the older ages. And we'll continue to see kind of that proportion likely spread out as diverse ethnically and
racially diverse. Parents continue to have more children. So that's kind of the dynamic that we know. Brays, greater diversity, regardless of what happens with international immigration. We're going to continue to see that move forward. PRESIDENT, thanks so much chair. I just want to Hammer home that point. That's really powerful and it it. We talk a lot at this table about investing in our youth programming investing early. We had a presentation from the Simple Children's Collaborative non ago about some of the outcomes they're seeing with youth. And it just really strikes me looking at the slide that when we're talking about equity anytime we're investing in our youngest people that is inherently equity just given the way that the demographics shape check out. So I just it's really powerful data. So I've been talking so far about racial and ehnic
diversity with respect to birthplace, of course, a pause very diverse as well. Close to 20% of residents of Saint Paul, our foreign boring. So it's 18% as of the most recent numbers. Or one in 5. That's about twice the rate of the state overall. You can see that the largest proportion coming from Asian country fom an African country or from a country in Latin America. I want to share with you now some of the numbers coming out of the 2020 census. You have a hand out with the full list. I just gave a sample here of the top. But I think these are numbers that are buried deep in the Census Bureau site. And so people don't always see them. What I've shared with you today are numbers that are and detailed race groups alone or in
combination, meaning if someone said that they German and Irish, for example, they would appear both It's. It's a count of people who of anyone who names that particular detailed group. These numbers are not perfect, but they're the best that we have. you know, you can see that many people also don't answer a detailed race groups. The questions from her Johnson and Councilmember Joe. So chair just I couldn't help myself. Personal note, we still use the term foreign born in 2025. For data sets for this. Just that If you tell us a little bit, why dozen interesting. are you know, it's a term that it in terms of
demographics and data collection. It is one that has not yet changed. In. Circle of I guess that are and I say like data collection, federal government circles yet. So if it sounds wrong to your ears, I'm glad to hear That's useful feedback to me. I will think I will tell you that. it has a very specific meaning that does not include people who were citizens at birth. So some very kind of specific technical definitions around it, but it still shouldn't sound wrong to people's air. So I appreciate that sounds like my Minnesota interesting. But I just had a quick
question on the demographic piece is a follow-up Justice. Give me an example. Like other black or African-American not specified. What because a person or 10 check. And I thought maybe like a that maybe that was like Somalia or you'll be in. But then I realized that they are specified in the largest piece. So I'm just wondering what that would be as far as like other. That just So that mans that it wasn't specified by the individual filling out the form, ok? So it MAY include Somalia, me included Ethiopian that they maybe would have checked the can and needs are black o African-American box. That was at the top of the format was example to show if they check the major group. But did not fill anything more detailed. And there were
detailed ceck boxes that they could have selected, including, for example, African-American as we see here. But if they didn't check one of those boxes and they didn't feel anything in. Then we would see them in that not specified. And while that doesn't give us a sense of who those folks are, it gives us a sense of how much kind of air wiggle room there might be in the other front. So the Somali number looks too low to you. It MAY be some of those individuals are found in that Okay. Thank you, Kuzma thank you. Chair. I had a question about the questions. So and I know like we've hd
these race groups for a long time and and I can remember like those being a lot of the choices how long have we had these detailed Reese groups like how far back can we go compare like this data in front of to like previous Census collection years. Yeah. So the 2020 census was the first time that this detailed race was collected. This is the first time that it's published. We do have other surveys that ask sayings that are similar. And so we have some historical data, but they're not his. They're not exactly comparable. From the surveys. We can go back to questions about Ancestry and first place, for example.
And kind of get as close as we can to constructing something like this. But this is the first time. All groups that this detailed information was collected. Before 2020. There were detailed categories for grace groups. But it was an across the board. Thanks, chair, can I? Yeah, I was just going echo this point because I think the some of the data points we're seeing, for example, like country of birth is sort of unknowable, you know, or theoretically more noble fact versus the self-reported pieces. I as someone very obviously way was looking at sort of comically, have people are trying to find the specificity versus Bradley you know, if I were to break down the percentages of my country, heritage to be all these little slivers. And so I would
for sure, just put because it's not. But like my wife's family so identifies inspiration, even though they're like 8% proration and somebody for sure mark o Asian. And it tells you something tells you nothing. It's just kind of like almost familial identity on part on part of these verses. So it's it was interesting to see all the specificity. Does give people the freedom to sort of. Identify tey want to identify. But the way they add up because I believe you also said it's not. These are exclusive category someone good mark. Many, many and so like these numbers don't add up to the population of Saint Paul. They will add up to. For many bags. That's why these numbers are. They're not is kind for sace as any one individual would like them to be
probably. But they are kind of the most specific numbers that we have detailed race groups, which I know is. Of particular interest to policy makers individual groups. Profits. There's a lot of interest in kind of having a better sense of. The great diversity that we have in the state in in the city. But when we really drill and we see it, it's pretty You have the full lists in front of you for Saint Paul and you can see it in its full glory there. But it does represent, as I said, the most, the most detailed numbers, but not as kind of probably specific as you would like in some areas. But what we have. This is not in your packet. I just added it. I wanted to let you know that the Census Bureau also publish those detailed
numbers by Census tract. And so you can see maps that you never could see before. And I can provide this afterwards. It if you buy. But there's a link to this map and what we're looking at here. Is the Burmese population, which in the Census Bureau Coating includes Kerr n. But you can see that there's much higher concentrations in the northern part, northwestern part of the city. And there's this level of detail for each of those groups that you see on that list there. So if you wanted to look specifically at the moon population in Saint Paul. The African-American population in Saint Paul. You can look at it. According to the census tracks. I just
wanted you to know it's there. I can point you to And something not a lot of people It's there. Those are the remarks that I prepared for you today and happy to answer questions to speak more. I did add some additional data if you'd like to speak about them. I just that you might have had your fill by now of all the step there. And if you have questions. Happy to take them. And think there's 3 additional sites with folks like to just hear some brief comments from the doctor around Poverty status looks like housing units, transportation. If you don't mind taking fewer minutes to kind of cover those Yes, it right. So about 14% of Saint Paul residents live in poverty. And what I will say about the poverty line is it's very,
very low. When I look at of the poverty line compare it to cost of living calculators and to try to get some sense of what living in poverty means you need to almost double the poverty population to get to a population that's just a meeting. Basic needs. So in this case, we would be, you know, that if the poverty lines at 100%, we could be at about 28%. That's meeting just meeting basic in terms of Saint Paul resident overall. That's higher. About one and times higher than for Minnesota over also more poverty. Here and also higher poverty among children, which a typical kind of age pattern that that we tend to see. a pop over to housing units for certainly it's it's a few
questions. We'll go cuts. PRESIDENT Maker interview. Thanks, chair. Just one drink a bar with the statistics in particular. Can you speak to change over time? I can speak to change over time in Minnesota, but I don't have the same poll numbers. I would expect that it would follow a little bit higher. And so what we saw was higher poverty rates after the Great Recession. That came down up until the pandemic. We any face in poverty. There and then it's come down again, sense that time. So. Lower poverty than we had around 2008 today. But there was increased during that time. During the pandemic during that the unemployment period during the pandemic. Thank
you. And then I guess present follow up from that. Do how far into this the poverty? Poverty line status data? Can you go when it comes to racing demographics that were put in place prior like so some of the risk factors in all of the different subgroups, like how far can you get into the data poverty? One statistics in our state. So we have. Detailed information for major race groups at the state level. It's published at the city level as well ad happy to provide a follow-up data table with that for you. What we tend to see is higher. Poverty
rates as you're well aware, a Hispanic or Latino, black or African American residents. and some southeast Asian populations as well. we have a report called the economic status of Minnesotans on our site that breaks down poverty rates by those specific detailed groups. So if you want to see some of that more details difference we can't provide that at the city level, but it's it's at the state level. What we cn provide at the city level as as a major race groups, Biden I'd be happy to follow up with that. Thank you. In terms of transportation to work, I just wanted to know that in Saint Paul, about 20% residents in the last in this dataset 2023. Are working from home. And that's a number that, of course, has changed quite a
bit in last That number was, you know, if that's pretty close to statewide average Travis, just a little bit lower than both of those. But it's all around 20%. And that number used to be around 5% before the pandemic. So we've really seen an increase that hasn't quite come down yet. Still a large proportion working at home. But of course, the vast majority are driving alone to work. As you can see here, you can see kind of the whole of how people get to work at if they are safe residents here. And then finally, I think what stands out in terms of Saint Paul's kind of housing structure
units and occupancy is and of the large share of multi-unit housing relative other places. So you can see close to 50% of Saint Paul's housing units are part of a multi-unit building. And but that proportion is about 30% for the Twin Cities. Metro in just a Porter for the state over also quite it different housing kind of mix. Then you see across the state and we also see kind of more renters. There's 52% owned or occupied as the estimate here. It's about 72% for the state over also with those multi-unit buildings, many of them are rental units. Ad so you see higher rate of of rental housing as well. additional questions that
you have for me? I don't see any additional questions. Just gratitude for the information. Thank you so much for coming to presents and sharing your expertise hour to be Yeah, we really appreciate it. Sounds just a few follow-ups that our office can follow up on to make sure questions are being answered. With that, the Finance and Budget Committee of the Simple City Council is adjourned. Thank thanks for all the water.