Policy Committee to order. Welcome place. Council PRESIDENT Maker here Councilmember Bowie. COUNCILMAN Toast. Counsel for Coleman here. Councilmember can. Comes worrying here. Councilmember Johnson. For PRESIDENT 3, absent all are excused. All right. Welcome everyone morning, it is bright, Sunny, thank Wednesday and we have 2 items on our policy committee agenda today. turn things over for first agenda item which is our legislative agenda review to MR. Infield, welcome. Thank you. Council. PRESIDENT Members of the committee, the first item that we have today for Policy Committee is a kind of a directive work session of our city's legislative agenda. I know this is the 3rd time
that this council has egaged on the legislative agenda, but circumstances have transpired to kind of make this a necessity before the start of the legislative session on FEBRUARY, 17th. Director general work started Monday. So we have that She'll be joining us in speaking to the priority summary document, I circulated this morning Jens additions to that document. You can speak to what those are and substance. And also take, you know, comment and feedback from you as council members about the priorities. And I think it my e-mail last night to council members, I provided a few discussion questions to kind of kick start a framing and direction for this work. The idea is to identify any priorities that
need further refinement for the presentation before council next week. Are on a tight deadline. So we are cognizant of any suggestions have to actually incorporated into a document that we that that But that's kind of the purpose of this work session is to identifying priorities that require additional clarity. What items MAY be time sensitive, given the political realities of the situation. You know, we've already heard kind of the context of what exists up the street. 34 33 split the 67, 67 tie and the House. You know off budget years. So there is kind of that political alignment consideration. I think within our priorities
that a possibility to explore here. And then finally, what are some gaps are emerging issues that could be considered for inclusion? I think we all know what environment find ourselves in the priorities document MAY need to be added to to reflect that current reality. Leave it there. And so I'd like to introduce director general. Welcome director. We thrilled to have you both here at our policy committee and also here in general on the 3rd floor. Thank Welcome. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT Nick are members of the committee and members. It's great to be with you today. This is day 3 my time with the mayor's it spent. Good so far and I'm happy to be here with you in this workshop session prior to
hopefully next weeks, vote at the full council meeting. So tended to nice job laying it out. You have this document that was part of your packet. I think earlier in the month when Nick linger, presenter and I made a few changes based on conversations that happened with your office and a few other things. I'm happy to present this in any way you want. In the time that we have today. Thanks so much, director. 1, 1, question that I had just make sure we're all clear in part because feedback over time has generally been please get this document down to fewer pages and that, fact, was heard responded to in this, which is really exciting. But as a result, I just want to make sure I'm clear, is this
everything so like this, everything that's listed here is everything that is in our legislative agenda. It's not. Town of summary. And then there's a much longer document somewhere else that has all the stuff. Council PRESIDENT. That's correct. Just a few words on that. I think the previous document that we have looked at that voted on last year was in the neighborhood of 25 to 29 pages. Just for everyone's knowledge. I came straight from being the county's government relations director. So worked a lot with the previous folks in the mayor's office with the city. I The assistant mayors who are working on this did a good job, getting it from 29 pages down to I think the 5 you have in front of working with others and whatnot, I would envision we would clean this up to some technical fixes just to make sure everything's
in the right for neck Taylor and put it on letterhead then start working the kind of one pagers for some of the bigger ticket items that we want to be lobbying on. And that would be the legislative platform for the city. And then one other kind grounding questions And then I want to open it up for it looks my colleagues also for how you think it's going to be most helpful to have this discussion. Can you just a little bit more about the difference between the top priorities and then the additional priorities? And then the support items. But what a mean in terms of how we care about these things to work. We do how do how do we we see these as we go forward. Thank you for that question. You know, start by saying, I think any local governments, we have a lot of work that we
do, whether it's cities, counties, whoever. So it makes sense to have platform that covers a lot of bases and you all know this, but we end up doing on a defense work at the Capitol to in terms local governments, which maybe isn't always covered here. you know, as you look at say, Page one into where we call those the top priorities and list out everything from like the arena, some cyberattacks policy language and a few other items. I. Believe we would be introducing bills on that. So that's a good way to think about Leading in a space actually having a legislation that we talked to, members of our delegation about that gets introduced and gets a hearing and that we push The next section that talks about additional city of Saint Paul legislative priorities.
Starting on Page 3, you know, that kicks off with a slew of binding requests. Lot of those have been introduced already and I can get that information for you before in advance of next week. You know, those are items that the city wouldn't necessarily be leading a lot of those have other lobbyists. If you working on them the Kellogg Bridge maybe one is probably one that the city would need to be in the list and maybe that gets moved to the top priorities part. I haven't had a chance to talk to Any of you or the mayor's office staff about that in death. But it's one that we identified and yeah, I mean, the legislative priorities are
still policy things and for the city. So, but I would imagine a lot of those we would not be introducing bills. If that makes sense. Thank Looking to my colleagues for. Questions, comments suggestions about what would be helpful as approach this conversation. For example, that's what director of work to It all. People feel You know what they are. Ok, let's just going to this light questions asked. Ok, and it looks like there are some new ones added from last time we saw this. I think the additional legislative priorities, legislative items MAY be. Sure if it's okay. MADAM Chair. The additions were made to this word document if it's okay, I'm most familiar with I did listen in on the presentation on the 21st, but I think we we would hit everything if we work through this. If that's okay,
councilmember yank. All right. And that you can highlight specifically the additions, if you if you know that you made since So leading off with the arena complex and surrounding entertainment investments. Our point person in negotiations on this right now, it's been assistant still linger. We don't have anything that we added to this. I wuld point out that eastbound Kellogg Bridge is included in what's supposed to be an inclusive ask from the legislature that covers all of buildings, if you will, in that arena complex. The Social District authorization as also called out in that. Moving on the adding to natural disaster statutes. The mayors really
wants to include cyber attacks in that that would enable the city to be reimbursed. I think on a quicker basis for what happened last summer. Moving on is state reimbursement program for law enforcement. No changes to that. From the last time either. But I think you're all familiar with the work and just responsibility that happens in that area. The next one deals with West 7th corridor and some of the transit investments that have been happening there. I know I was privy to some of those conversations and work and community Sessions went on. I was at the county. This is to cover this just keeps the city at the table in terms of what happens at the Legislature. I think the hope is that then dot in the state will step up with financial assistance in that area. The next one deals
with state funding and legislation reimbursing community for costs incurred during the federal immigration surge. I know that and the Democratic side, at least there's a package of blls that legislators are interested in pursuing that I think would align pretty well with the city's values terms of residents in infections and some of the other things that we're experiencing right now That Operation, Metro surge. So we'll be monitoring that. And Ithink with your leadership and the mayors and others just wanting to be part of. Being vocal and showing up in that space. Finally is just referencing the downtown redevelopment and a few different tools for that. Tax increment financing, the come credit, lot of these things have Out there before. But we envision that that will be a
priority as well. Maybe I'll just stop their quick any changes or questions for those 5 or 6 items. We just walk through. Present. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. I really appreciate just the think you shared Safari. I was actually interested reimbursement program for. Our law enforcement officers, especially during the operation but research. So you have on here, which I think is so great t have any thoughts on and on what that would look like or what exactly like that package should be and what the reimbursement amount would be for that and how likely with something like that passed the Legislature to? Well, thanks for that question. I don't right now. I haven't had the chance to really delve into that. But notice just, you know, some of the press coverage around it and I'm glad our partners are thinking about that. It's a way the legislature can show
up in this space. I think be glad to put a little metal together for that and share You all in advance of next week. Yeah, thank Yeah. I can only imagine the game. Sure are. Well, department is putting in more time. Really because of the federal immigration activity and then also our businesses are deeply hurting right now, too, because of all of this. And so I think I'm understanding from this is that it would be a reimbursement program to would it be to cities that that cover that entire range from Lake businesses to to our law enforcement officers or or is it more specific on what the what would be reimbursed? I dn't have the answers to that right now, but I'd be glad to see what's already out there. There aren't any bills
that can be introduced necessarily before session starts so FEBRUARY. 17th is the first day of session. I think we'll see a lot of bills introduced him that we were able to kind of dive in our language and certainly in advance of that, we've got a really good delegation and members. I think everyone swimming in the same lane. And, you know, I'm happy to check in with some of them and see if they've got language. We can look at advance. Great guy. I'm personally very supportive of that. And if can help provide support community organizations to that would be really importance. Thanks for your commitment. I asks for more specificity around many of these I also think there's there's on the other hand, some nice elements of having this be a little bit more broad because I imagine that this would allow us to get behind a number of different bills that MAY come forward. So
I suspect maybe we'll see those bills and those specifics as session starts to your point. Director work. But I'm yes, I have the same question. How much money them? What are we talking about? It's coming. Thank you. Just continuing on this thinking about sort of the second to last item here and what reimbursements might look like for the costs incurred in the recent The other thing that's on my mind is I know we've been having this conversation and that very chair vice chair, but leaving many of these conversations around. The flexibility or lack thereof of our existing dollars for economic development. And you the real desire to turn some of our star dollars potentially into something that could be used to immediately alleviate some of the harm facing our small
businesses right now, but that there are a number my understanding and other should correct me if this is a correct. But my understanding is that there are significant limitations on our ability to be flexible. Those dollars of that. Many of those are imposed at the state level. Also seems to me not an area to add that just mean that we might want to be mindful of during the session is if there are opportunities, think about how can we? In a future event like this be more flexible be able to get dollars out the door more quickly in order to support our small businesses for some of the actual needs they're facing, which is the path that they can't open in their place, kick it to That something I'd be interested in. If other states are leaning on that, I think would be very interesting for us to potentially support some of
that work. Thank you for that. On a sightly different note. But also on the same page. I appreciate all of the different downtown development financing, tools that are listed here. I especially like the fact that we've changed conversions of office to housing to conversions of office space to a bunch of different uses because there many different uses that the conversions could lead to. I don't know if you know the 73 director Mark, but read. Those had previously been leading the cattle station of underutilized buildings, effort. And we had, I think, been sort of second or 3rd tier in that coalition. That effort has not been successful, at least 2 years in a row now. And it's a really important tool to allow for that redevelopment to
happen. So. I have some questions about whether or not we should of larger role in that work. And just one of sir, put that on your radar in case you considering whether or not we should be in a coalition or really to Thank you for that. Thank you for that council PRESIDENT And we'll certainly take that under advisement with us. It's been an interesting ride to work on even from the county's perspective. Did work with 3 throws some. And then we've got legislators in different places with that. You know, it kind of comes down to dollars even for them. So at the end of the day. A couple years ago, I think when this is first out there, there are also putting more money into lga and cpa. Local government county program made. Sometimes those become choices for us as well as policymakers at the Capitol. Yeah, makes some
sense and again and having sort of the flexibility in this to allow the legislative for us, it's the what not to how right. We need tools to redevelop downtown south legislature would prefer. Any of the other things that are listed here over a cup credit or something that's not listed here. So far we've been for 0. So I think 0 for. Many. So I think it would be it would behoove us to be more flexible as to what their answer is. But demand some And that seems like it's affected us. And other comments on the first section, the first time. Is liking athletes. So I believe that takes us to Page 3 and you'd like me to just cover the changes or or give people just give just quickly sort of. Say what's
here. And then we can tell changed. Sure. At the top of that page, MADAM Chair, we have capital investment projects. You know, a lot of these are city assets, rhino. The first one is the Mississippi River Learning Center. That is not a city has said it doesn't exist yet, but it's a bill that I know Representative Pinto was carried for a few years often been in the top couple for The city in terms of binding requests. We're very hopeful that there's a binding, though, this year. You all know Senator Sandy Pappas, he's been the chair of that committee. She's announced her retirement. So this would be her final bite at the Apple and she certainly been, I think, a good partner for the city and the county and others in this space. The Columbus
Zoo and Randolph Avenue Bridge and the Saints Ballpark Stadium are all's city assets. So it makes sense for those to be bills. They're all I think introduced already from last So it's a good time to check in on the momentum of those. Historic steps on Summit Avenue came from the mayor herself. I don't know a lot about that right now. But I know it's a historic project. And then the one that we added was just the Kellogg Avenue Bridge. That also has been introduced and, you know, that's a good example of the federal government backing off and some of their commitments to the city. So it puts us in a position of needing to look for dollars elsewhere. And that's why this is on here. Just one quick question. Is this list in order of
priority? Great question. MADAM Is not. Do do anticipate having these be even order in order it. MADAM, sre, there isn't anything that we have. Talk through in the mayor's office. I think we have a little bit of time if we want to explore that as a city and have conversations. Related to that. I think legislators eventually always appreciate. Entities like us are focused. You know, just be blunt. There's no way we're going to get everything. So sometimes it's like having a list and seeing what sticks to the where people are most passionate about. Their priorities. You know, this is also the different format. I think having pulled some bonding request up to the legislative top priorities also makes it more clear. I think we're always getting the question was
actually your tap tap? Yeah, top 3 and it seems likely now some of those are in the top priority summary. But we're used to seeing abounding list. I think itemized in order of preference. So. But will defer to the to the ministrations preference on that. I think it's just. One is about the others. Moving up. In the Parks and rec section and libraries. There's a couple of different places, if you will, if legislature that deals with those those different there's regional park money, Metro Parks, a lobby together on there's individual projects. And then there, you know, things like the legacy funding bill and what not that there's sometimes different ways about getting money for some of these and we're going to
detail and a lot of these. Unless there's any questions right now. Excellent race. Moving on to public safety some of these have been around for a while. Be honest super tight divided legislature. It's going to be hard to get anything done gun safety and what That second bullet there with rising local governments to prohibit handguns and other weapons. You know, this has been an interesting one in that. I know what the county, at we testified every single time we got an opportunity, you know, to allow local governments to be able to post for, especially like for rec centers, community centers, libraries, just be able to post the guns are allowed there we'll see if that moves anywhere this year. But that's that's actually a bill that some of our state colleges slaters have carried. And
that's obviously. Critical that when Preemption, one to all of that, the package of gun safety measures that we passed. Last fall to take, right. So that's I think of thank you for reminding me of that. Actually before we move on and sorry, going back up to the parks and Recs in public libraries, modify state school bus safety requirements are bus drivers to put strict inspection to ensure all children next to the bus. As a child fell asleep at the back of the bus and woke up when it was parked on the bus parking lot and really irritated driver when he realized I was still there. Totally understand the concern here. Just seems a little bit more like at one of these things is not like the other in terms of very specific. And I'm just wondering, did this come from some some incidents in our parks and rec department or
where did there's this coming man. I'm sure. Thank you for that question. I you never this through several times that one popped up for me 2 days ago as well. And I thought. I thought there was an incident sometime in the last 3 or 4 years during a snowstorm in Saint Paul home where a child was left on the bus. Anyone else remember reading it. I remember reading in the paper in mind even going back to covid times. Follow what folks in the mayor's office. I feel like somebody might know more. They're okay. Curious. And I'm sorry, you had that experience. Ever covered. And the question for month. Times coming and maybe moving on to this the final point and or public safety. But just at on the traffic
safety camera pilot program, really pleased that this has included. I know that this is has been a huge priority for folks in more for but also throughout the city, as we think about what can be done to keep our streets safer. So thrilled that that's included. I know that we are not the only city pushed pushing to be added to the pilot program. The only thing I just want to make a note of is that I know that the aclu raised it, not concerns. I think that I really appreciated their most some of that. They said over to the state legislature about how to do this in a way at that doesn't have the privacy concerns that they've had in other jurisdictions that have done safety camera. So want to really encourage us to well push very hard for this. I think quite critical that we be added to the pilot and their frustrating that multiple municipalities around
us a able to participate already. But also just would urge the city to be communication with the so you about that and making sure that we are. In our advocacy. Also be mindful mitigating any outstanding concerns that remain. Thanks coming. A number of. Constituent requests to be part of the pilot program. And it has been frustrating to point that we. Thank you for that feedback. I remember that's one that we were trained. We went back when I worked for the county trying to be part of as well. It came down to the state, only had a certain number of dollars and the city, Minneapolis, the city Mendota heights of all people where the 2 had that had led on this. So they were the ones that were allowed to foreign us. The other part of just point out, you need to have a law enforcement partner who
wants to participate. I think that was one of the stumbling blocks we actually had at te county at the time. This was like 2 years ago. We'll explore that more. Here. Just lastly say the pilot program is has started or kicked off. So we'll have to see what the appetite. As for adding to that. MADAM Chair, moving on to popular other category. We've included. Reinstating of local cannabis aid additional funding for the replacement of the lead service water lines. I think that's a very interesting one. I would just point out, you know, water needs across the state are always deal something that greater Minnesota is pushing for in terms of drinking water and wastewater. So this is a nice place to partner, if you will, and just show that their Metro needs in the space.
As well. The copper wire theft. A lot of you have a lot more background on this than I I do. The city was a big leader in this the last couple of years. And I it's been a huge expense for the city. So will be probably looking to make that law stays intact and that if there are tweaks need to be made, that they go our direction. The next to deal or hr related. And I'll confess, I'm not very defund them. I was going to work with assistant Mayor Jodi Pfarr delve into those 2 more. And then finally is the state. Saint Paul port authorities, legislative agenda just looking for financial assistance for some of finishing touches. I think
for the heights, affordable housing. Projects. Any questions or additions? This is it. Something I want to raise as an addition and that I had spoken to previous holder. If you're all about, I think it's really excellent and thrilled to see I. Priority replacing on that drive an economic development downtown and our legislative agenda. Would very much like to see us also emphasize driving economic development in other areas of the city, particularly in Midway where we know that we have incredible opportunity and also incredible challenges in this moment. One of the things that has been strenuously advocated for by folks at the city, but particularly in Ward 4, deadly
one you a budding on it. University Avenue is a value tax. Understanding is that there's conversation about a potential pilot for a Minneapolis to authorize a value tax on Lake Street. Believe that's correct. At the very eager to see a Saint Paul give me authority to the same month for the area around selling university where, again, we have incredible opportunity, but also big, big challenges. I think that having that the state give us some additional authority to think creative ways to incentivize development that don't require the expenditure of our dollars, but in fact, raise revenue. Is something that is very promising that we would be in the early phases of understanding if that is a model that we want to pursue long-term. But there's going to be movement on that I think
would be a missed opportunity of some polls included. Thanks coming. I would second that and I Lindell you taxes. Is a tool think they have been legislative agenda in the past. And I tink so. It's something we should definitely continue to support and it would it would benefit areas in that way as well all over the city. Said in the West side. Stephen at that would you like to see that aded to this than for purposes next week? We can do that. Will work with you on language. Thank you. Thank you for that. I'll move onto. I think the final page and a half, these are support items in the legislative platform. You all know, but I'll just say it out loud for the Microphone like
we work with a lot of partners in this space, whether other cities and Ramsey County, City, Minneapolis, other local governments, Ramsey County, for example, groups like the League of Cities, Metro Cities. And then obviously a lot of the community partners and nonprofits are implementar is if you will often of the work that we all do here. So there's a lot of different bills will be tracking in watching. And those I just want to call out some of those partners specifically you know, things like lg, a local government aid, a lot of the property tax relief that makes it easier for you with your budgets and then also for our residents. And whether they're renters or homeowners. The states role in housing and unsheltered populations. I know that's always an area that. As metro urban counties and cities we carry, I think a bigger burden than other parts of the state
and the space. Sporting new Americans, racial equity, economic justice and inclusion. Access to clean water. And what next time investments support and expand support and whatnot for transit and complete streets, parks and rec and the like we just wanted to call goes out for purposes of document. You know, often as we use this and just say, you walk in to legislators, officer, you're grabbing them in an elevator or whatnot. Just having some something on here. Often spurs conversation. It helps their priorities helps get our priorities out there more. I will say it's a fine line and it's a delicate balance. You you called it out really well about keeping statements, general enough so that the
cover a lot of topics and that we don't have a 29 page legislative platform because those get recycled quicker. Thank you so much, stricter. Does that bring us to the I think it Thank you for the time today. Question. And then again, ultimate comics there, other questions or comments. And we do still have time, obviously between now and next week to submit ideas. 2 to the mayor's office and also to add them in as amendment amended versions of the legislative agenda that will be adopting next week. We do have a ton of time. So it's kind today. One question I have directors. How do you anticipate using us to help advance this agenda? I think that's something that this council has consistently said. We we want to be helpful, especially on the items that we particularly feel passionately about. But I think in the past we've we've struggled to be and it's a systemically integrated into the work should gotten texts. You know, I'm currently at a
hearing. Can you come in? Doesn't feel like being part of the. The plan part of the journey. And I think Greece a little bit about how you envision that working. Yeah, thank you for the question. You know, I I look forward to working with all of you in the Predators council members who can't be here. We're here this morning. I think you will bring a lot with your own relationships and, you know, passions and priorities. I think I think it's MARCH to use as many advocates as we can. I believe the mayor welcomes that. I'd like a little bit more time to flush that out with. The office. I work and then work with you and others. However, that's appropriate to talk about. You MAY be identifying a few passion areas that you want to
be the point for the council. I don't know how that looks like. Exactly. We did something similar when a rich of the county. Finding ways to just plug people in and it works pretty smoothly. Obviously, you know, working with the mayor council PRESIDENT In the case downstairs, it was the county board chair sort of where the leaders in that space. But, you know, it's the land value one, for example, that you brought up council number is probably a great space for if there is action on that and it's agreed to by others you could be the point person on that. But whatever I'd like some time again, just to flush that out with people that I work for. But I think you'll strategic partnerships are real priority of Mayor. Kerr her, it look forward to that. Yeah, just. PRESIDENT Tractor. It's
really nice to see you here. Thanks for the presentation. I just have a couple comments. Really excited to see West 7th corridor. Isn't priority. That's very important to to my constituents to the council PRESIDENT's constituents and really to the entire city last year, the council PRESIDENT Ni and our staff spent some time. Around the sinkhole that formed on 7th Street. And that's just the reality of the infrastructure and the condition that it's and also led the infrastructure in our city and that's just such a major priority. And the safety concern to get that street, you know, reconstructed and rehabilitated. And also, you know, putting transit really needs the moment in the future of our city. So I'm excited about that. And I also just want to uplift the. The additional funding for the lead service lines. Mean, consul worrying Kuzma Coleman
all serve on water board. And so that's something that's very important to to all of us. And then I just also want to highlight the this is kind of at the end. But, you know, our council really cares a lot about climate action in our climate resiliency initiatives. S I'm really happy to see us to see some of that on here towards the end. But I just want to elevate that that that's something that that we care a lot about. And then lastly, just one little comment I see at the end here for their support for mitigating the harms of pfas in the water supply. I think i don't know if that's for. For Saint Paul Regional water. It's my understanding that that's not a concern for our water supply yet, but could be in the future. And so maybe just, you know, circling back
with them about what is the timeline like for for that concern and what you know, what? What are the tips of mitigation that MAY be needed in the future? But it was my understanding. That's not an issue at exact moment but could be in the future. Thank you for that feedback. a doctor can work. I just wanted to share that. I really like the idea that you threw out earlier about identifying which of these items are the ones that cause members are most passionate about could be delegated to work in partnership with you all. I think that it's vry strategic, no one because it's an addition. It's at a capacity to you and your team. And then aso we can really work on the issues that are important to our constituents to it. For me. I know that
there's a few already on the list here that that priority of mine at, for example, the new do think he's committee rec center that park and housing over at the Heights. And so those just a few at the top of my mind. And I would love to partner with you on that. Thank you. Thanks to 10. I would echo what my colleagues have said. I think directors you create your operational plan for how to this forward. There's a way to list out the priorities and give us an opportunity to indicate whether it's something that we would want specifically support and help lead on that would allow us on and get those preferences make it easier for you to know who to. But a contact for what so happy to help coordinate the
process with you. Thank you. All right. Any final comments or questions on this topic? Otherwise, we will have this in front of us for hopefully final action next week in advance of the session, beginning in again with hope folks can enter any amendments to the legislative agenda they for next week. All right. Thanks so much. Thank you. With that, we'll move on to our second item on our agenda think for stricter Williams and MR. Green color come back up. Good Morning Council. PRESIDENT Council members. My name is Jay structure of council operations. And I'm here today to kick off the conversation and an update about administrative citations and the city of samples were to implement this. Recalling back. This has you know, a
multi-year project process to get charter authorization. And as a brief refresher those viewers, you know, watching this administrative citations are civil, not criminal enforcement tool to promote compliance with the city ordinances. Essentially most often thought of as a you know, and something that is a step before criminal enforcement penalties. That is actually in place and and use for cities around the metro and all of the largest cities within the state of Minnesota. So today's discussion highlights you know, the the legislative history of how we got here, some of the legal and charter framework that
governs it. And then most importantly, some of the key policy design considerations ahead. And so during that part of the presentation, chief policy officer, Tim Greenfield will provide a component. A legislative hearing. Officer Marshal Mormon will discuss components of that as well as our chief budget officer committed for my. So and then addition to that will will, you discuss some of the core values such as equity fairness to process administrative efficiency fiscal responsibility that has have to be balanced together as this process moves forward. As here's a brief agenda. What we're going to disss. And so, you know, this is a selected history of administrative citations. So SEPTEMBER of 2021, which kind of where the discussion picked up with the new The charter commission declined to recommend authorization o
administrative citations by 67 Bow. Then following the election of a new council in NOVEMBER 2023, assuming office in 2024, later that year, the city passed resolution. 24 15 72 seeking. The author is seeking a recommendation from the City Charter Commission to authorize administrative citations. Then in DECEMBER 2020 for the charter Commission recommended authorizing administrative citations by. a significant majority, 12 to 3. Then in JANUARY 2025, the city passed ordinance. 25 2 and resolution. 25 1.92. This authorized administrative citations by ordinance amending the charter. And then committed to establishing an administrative citations legislative Advisory
Committee. In APRIL 2025. The city clerk certified that there was a successful voter petition essentially placing administrative citations and the charter amendment proposal on the ballot for NOVEMBER 2025. At that time the city passed resolution 25 dash, 6, 5, 8, delaying the deadline for establishment legislative advisory committee until no later than 90 days after successful voter authorization of administrative citations. Then in NOVEMBER 2025, voters find overwhelming majority approved administrative citations be a referendum following the petition. The vote was to 68% to 31%. 32%. And then in JANUARY of 2026, the council recognizing
that due to the Merrill transition, the city's coordinated response to federal immigration enforcement activity. The city passed resolution 26 dash, one, 70 but further dlay the establishment of the Legislative Advisory Committee until no later then JUNE 30 2026. pre-selected history discusses how we got here where we're at the current moment and one of the things that are, you know, guiding this process forward. So this is a sample, a expert of the enabling language within the charter. There's also subdivision one, but it it just has a brief section there safe really focused subdivision. 2 and essentially what the enabling
language does is it provides clear authority for the city to use civil penalties. It requires ordinance by ordinance decision-making. They're not automatically imposed a ordinance has to you know, better than the code and all know here to their, you know, their legislative code changes that are required. But also administrative code changes that might be required as we establish implementation framework. It also importantly, imposes a at equity equity requirement. any civil monetary penalty amount must be imposed. Equitably and then it and that, you know, sets forth due process procedures requiring appeals and then creates a judicial backstop within the district court.
So that's one element of governance in northeast. Course, what we require that allowed to do under state law. But then our own charter and then the next item of governance you guidance on this was resolution, 25 dash, one 92, which established the Legislative Advisory Committee and then also committed to requiring ongoing annual departmental reporting through the budget That resolution to 2 things. But I think the key item within that was the legislative Advisory committee. So the purpose, the Legislative Advisory Committee. And as you know, these are defined under to guide legislative changes and can only be set up by the council and can only last one year from the time of establishment. So essentially
once that committee is stood up and established it as a one-year window to accomplish its So te purpose of that was to produce a written equitable implementation framework to administrative citations are implemented. It created a group of members, economic expert on city, important enforcement Labor Union Reserve representation, District Council representatives, community experts on fines and fees. Representative from the reparations commission from representative from an independent research organization, city related to enforcement and processees and then also mandated council, citywide representation from a
broad mix of multiple awards. All appointments to the Legislative Advisory Commission must be made by resolution. So requiring, you know, some sort of aplication process and then resolution appointing that. You know, as discussed some of the writ requirement section, the report essentially focus is on ways to mitigate harmful impacts are potential impacts from an equity lens. Also just, you know, how the citation revenue civil fine revenue could be used. And then also, you know, looking at equitable enforcement practices. And then in addition to that review, the city's existing Ys fines, fees and abatement structures about whether they fairly republic costs discuss the historical impacts of fines and fees and
then, you know, provide analysis of any potential harms to protected groups, especially as it relates to race and income. So. Where we're at now is the really the crux of I think conversation we're having in the work that's required of the council and as well as as the administration and the mayor's office. So these are you know, major categories to design decisions. They need to be applied comprehensively and thoughtfully to any area in which administrative citations is applied. And so, you know, there are many multiple different areas where administrative citations can be use. But each one of these,
we have to thoughtfully think through how this works, not only within council's contribution in amending laws, but also, you know, our own staff might be called into during dispute resolution and the appeals process cetera. So you know what I want to say here today is that this is a really complicated multi partner group Project and we will need to partner with the administration closely on this. And from our side as a council staff level, we you know, this is all hands on deck moment. And so that's why we have multiple members of our team here to discuss how, you know, will proceed forward and the questions that you all have to consider and then, you know, think through how we partner with the administration to lead forward
on this work. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. Well, I do agree with you, doctor bones about the need for that partnership across departments and offices. You're my knee what is what department or offices concept of administrative administrative citations going to be housten. Yeah, it's a it's a great question. I think, you there have been multiple cases are multiple potential approaches to this. So in or cause it organizational committee meeting back in JUNE 2024, we had several presenters from the administration hero was you know, department in terms of the wage theft ordinance saying and enforce meant there dsi. It was also a key area where this would be applied. Water was another Also some of the areas that affect public
works. So really outlined a number of different places where this could occur. And I think also in the area of housing, you know, that's also so I think there's, you know, multi department, you know, users of the tool. But also, you know, we need to think through how it how it fits within each of those departments. Yeah, I would say from the person that stole something processing because when I think about about enforcement, goes directly to it. Yes, I and then for housing. I know I go to bpd for that. And so I do agree with you that this touches so many different departments and I'm just still trying to process k like if in the future I have a concern or
question about something that doesn't mean I have to personally navigate which department go to for certain thing or is actually like want to go to department that Comey be redirect us to whoever we should be speaking with. And so tat's just the question I have. And that's where the heart of where that question came from earlier. Thank you. Cause present and calls for it's it's a great and I don't have a lot of clear answers. But it is something that I think needs to be worked through in design element. Okay. I'm gonna pass it over to Tim Green Fielder chief. But her chief policy officer to discuss some of these elements. Thanks, and council members. Thank you for the So part of what Jay-z conversation specialized this next part of the conversation, as you know, kind where we are located in terms of moving this forward are some of the questions that we need to to have answered from council members and, you know, kind of
work through them together. A staff part of these I think can all fit under the idea of policy. The sign design decisions that exist within a framework that can be applied once we move into the next step what type of ordinances we need to amend 2 administrative citation power. So the first policy design consideration is the types of violations that we would apply the authority for a department to issue an administrative citation. So te city council and the mayor's office need to collaborate and determined what types of violations will be applicable and they can be categorized by a variety of different type such as property non property licensing. Parking violations
violations could also be categorized by a particular level of violations the major violation versus a minor violation. And also frequency can be built into the way that we built. That framework, that design choice so certain violations could equate to a major violation over time or you you know, put a if you have x number of violations for a property in a certain era. You could you know, a variety of different flexible design choices in terms of the types of violations, the severity of what you want to oppose it and the impact that that determination would have in terms of the fee that would be assessed. So what I would say generally is departments need
to outline what enforcement tools will be available and determine where an administrative citation fits within that spectrum. And part of that conversation is i think the categorization and the identification of of severity. So that will be head of the conversation that we'll have unfold with the types of violations and whether we want to design different types of violations for different departments as well. I think that is also a consideration whether, you we want to allow that customization totally to the types of violations or whether we want the framework. That inmate that establishes the administrative citation structure in the city. 2 set forth, that that standard. And so I think that also applies as well to find amounts the determination of fine amounts, I think is a combination that will require continuous collaboration between the mayor's office and the City Council. In terms of initial
design, the factors that like Jay was saying saying about deterrents, I think also are playable for not just the types of violations, but the fine amounts deterrence is the ultimate charge here, not every revenue generation is as the general principle, then fine amounts must be tailored have some way to not be overly burden or a burdensome on lower income people to have too much deterrence or rather beach to overly punitive s to lose the deterrent effect. But at the same time, be cognizant of the major corporations are the more well funded and to tease that MAY be able to take on a proportion o find. So. The ideal policy in terms of the
fine amount with balance fairness and deterrence by creating a system that deters noncompliance at the same time, doesn't create undue hardship for individuals that MAY be subject to an administrative citation. And that is part of the overall design consideration that I think we're faced with facing the same factors of complexity. The ease of administration and at the same time, whether we want customization for specific specific departments for specific violations. So that's where I would say where the the conversation about the types of violations and fine amounts and I'm happy to turn it over to my colleague MISS Mormont discuss more of the enforcement and dispute resolution considerations that are put forth unless there any questions on types of violations fines, fine amounts. No, I just dismiss Mormon
comes up. I I think it sounds like we're still at the very high level question I suspect we will want you to come back with more detail on the work plan to answer these questions. But I guess in the moment it would be helpful to know if there are any questions you have for us right now. If there's guidance that this council can give as we move into the next both from you, Mr can come this moment. There's anything we should be. We should be specifically discussing at the moment. and so counselors and council members. I think key questions we have for you or you know, later and when we discuss the next slides and I think that's really where we were planning to decide how to approach this and see if we had any guidance or you know from you all are feedback on
how we're approaching you know, just had a high level. Our plan is to create an internal working group with the City Department's administrative administrative departments and work through these questions. It could also be joined separately where the city council passes a resolution essentially asked the administration to propose to the city council and we work through it that way. Our approach was to work in tandem, you know, go through the process internal working group. And then I think there's an open question to that. The council needs to, you know, look at in terms of how the legislative Advisory committee fits within that, you know, we we have that established as as a group that weighs in. And so essentially
there's, you know, 3 party, a package of council administration and a lab city of advisory committees. So I think those are the questions we're planning to talk about next steps. But I think our key goal here was to talks the complexity you know, all the different areas that are potential choices. Welcome This That's PRESIDENT Council members. My task is to talk about enforcement and dispute resolution. So let me begin with the first. And certainly they do part. We've heard the word deterrence and Im going to refrain that just slightly and say we need to change the culture of the people who interact with the city systems on sate, rent stabilization
on. How we handle tenant ordinance enforce meant. And that is. People who violate these ordinances know exactly what the consequences are. People in the city understand which ordinances have which consequences. And so if you through the application of administrative citations change the understanding that there are consequences in the consequences are more expensive than following a code that is ultimately what we're aiming for. S you wouldn't even think about making the violation is the first thing you are deterred from making it. And then we talked about when we would write in order because there has been a finding, we need to have a finding that there is a violation. It has to be clear. There needs to be evidence
behind making that finding there needs to be the ability for the person who gets an order. Of some kind. Fix that. How do they remedy the situation? People must be given the opportunity to remedy. You simply don't move straight to punishment. That isn't what we're about as a city. We don't approach these things that way. So you have this violation. For example, if it's a rent stabilization, my rent was increased by 10% and it never got approved by anybody. What is the correct? Sure to do that. And if they aren't curing the problem, the person charging that meant then what is the correct? A citation?
How do we apply the rules fairly? Is this something that is 100%? This you know, every single case gets audited or is it something this complaint based? How do we think about this? So that person a and person b with the same violation are treated in the same fashion. And if they aren't, what are the guidelines for deviating from that? And we need to be super clear. I would say the consequences of the administrative citation. It has to be meaningful. And we've talked about not overly punitive but that it creates. That stopped yet. Someone needs to be able to say, hey, these facts are true. You just sent me a correction order. And I don't think that this is
valid. I don't think this is the with circumstances are. So there is a dispute resolution process that needs to be in place so you can cure the violation or say, hey, even think there's a violation. I want to talk about this some more. If you fail to cure it and it's been found to have one and the administrative citation is issued. You have another opportunity to go through some dispute resolution processes say this isn't the correct amount for me for whatever reason, the severity of the violation is and level to it is a level one never done that before, but that have the opportunity to have that kind of the discussion with the city. When a department makes a finding.
There needs to be a validation review of the facts that they are using. By some entity, some sort quality control, for example, if the department were to issue a criminal citation for violating the legislative code, any chapter of the legislative code that would have to be reviewed by the city attorney's office. I've been here long enough to know that in goal of the we didn't necessarily have the city attorney's office reviewing the citations and that set us up for problems and we don't want to see that happen here. So how do we have whatever mechanism we choose? That
review to make sure we're getting it right right out of the gates. I Would say that the ground rules for applying what the ground rules when they issue a citation, the length of time too. Sure what a cure MAY look like. These need to be understood before the first tag is written. You know, we are playing fair. Basically. We've all come to an understanding through whatever process to adopt these ordinances that this is fair. People are going to just great with the outcome. That's why exist. Lot of ways. And that's legitimate that people disagree. But they could look at the rules that were followed and how the city came to his determination and final decision. These are clear rules. Somebody just didn't write me and then a straight of citation and I hicks
arbitrary and capricious. You do not want to be seen. You want and doing anything that could remotely construed that way. You want to build this with credibility, credibility both in the code. And credibility and the people that are carrying out. But the code is. And so how do we do that? That's rules that we all follow and that are understood. Culturally at the city and culturally in the community. Would say That I think and I really want emphasize The only way proceed in my view is to have those concepts in place the matter what area. The citation is being written and what functional area do we know that? And we agree on it. It is going to be quasi judicial in nature. Somebody appeals. You catch those cases right now and alot of decisions come
forward from the Board of Zoning Appeals. The hpc, the Planning Commission and so on. Those are the kinds entities that make enforcement decisions. They're making qualitative decisions about whether there should be a special conditional use permit in a particular situation. The 2. Mechanisms we have right now to do the dispute resolution would be how you hear license violations and that would be trough administrative law. Judge process. We're through a legislative hearing process. Those could be used hybrid could be developed some functional situations, parks public works might have mechanism for doing Other areas might have another. We
do know that it's going to be. I would say, has to be a singular kind of an entity. This is not. Enforcement. Shouldn't be a committee decision and less us cross that judicial and you guys are voting on it that would. We don't have a vote in the neighborhood that undermines the even application of policy principle. We need to have always the same interpretation. And that's kind of where this. Tank you so much. To make sure we have time for discussions. So how much more presentation to have? Good morning. Those interested in clothes, the men days of topics to be covered today on this slide is tough. Finding fun invasion o this policy payment of fines and revenue disposition. Then during this policy they need to think about that
system and that fit. The emission implementation cost is going to be they need to explicitly identified that. And need to So that we can avoid any unfunded mandate as of building said, this is going to be up to project. The this cannot be done in isolation. So the palace deflected by the nation is needed. The Bible need resources, more resources, ft east to implement the policy. And this has to be done in of the that this cost Thank you to everybody. They also need to we can see to ensure that it is just didn't see. because can see those setting aside a portion of the citation venue for ongoing
administration system in in compliance training. Coming to the payment of phonies let's think above it. than the final mode is being determined next. Can see payment deadlines the cash bill victim Bility and reduce the administrative of follow-up cost. Is there going to be an incentive lithium and I there going to be hc escalating the payment options? Holy going to accept those payments? You know, online be in And this is just going to improve the ones. Spain and to long, outstanding in to see the boats. Because later on, if we are tracking that, it's even buzz that it's going to additional associated with that. And then menu, this position. It should be clearly
defined in the policy to ensure they comply is and fiscal accountability. Is this going to be sitting in the general fund Special Revenue Fund Enterprise Fund? That is all going to the deuce then says that's a patients live having your day been. And the better they should be given to recovering the Vatican in that cost before Texas 7. You can be applied as That's all I had felt today. Thank you for the time. Great. Thanks so much for that. Okay. And all just briefly touch on Essentially all these policy design considerations require the balancing of several dfferent, vital, important due process. Of
course, you kow, compliance and deterrence. But sometimes these you know, pitted against each other some ways and require tradeoffs. You know how many warnings issue before imposing the fine, you know how much of the cost recoup or do you eat costs? Because, you know, it's pursuit of a larger goal. So I think, you know, as part of these design choices there, crtain Use that require tradeoffs with in there. And and so as far as the next steps are proposal. Is to engage with the administration, worked through. The various items that, you know, have been identified. So recalling Councilmember Yang's question from earlier, human rights identified earned sick,
unsafe ordinance minimum wage ordinance. The U.S. Identified Animal control construction such as work without proper permits. Zoning issues, compliance with site plans, rent stabilization. The water Department identified illegal use of hydrants, performing plumbing services without a permit. So those are just a few of the examples of all the different areas. And our plan was to engage with the administration and create an internal working group to work through these questions and answer the policy design considerations the best we can in joint You know, as I hope he's become clear is that this is incredibly complicated and ever even under the best of circumstances. But recalling that we're in the midst of a,
you know, you know, federal law enforcement, immigration activity that's requiring inordinate staff time knowing within our office. Buthe city attorney's office, we had a cyber attack in AUGUST, which force the aside to launch a minimally viable product with holiday. And so, you know, a lot of these things require staff organization, thoughtful design and really working through these things carefully and deliberately. And so if the work plan is, you know, you know, at this point, I think it's because there are a number of challenges that we are working through. And so I setting forth regular updates for a pattern is one way to approach it to check in on the work that's occurring and then another option. 2 is 2 at a high level resolution set forth. Expectations on the administration to propose
plans and we work through it that way. You know, essentially w're looking ahead to the budget discussion this year where, you know, we expected he asked will be made in terms of the fte. It electronically any of the under structure that will support this administrative work will need t happen in this upcoming session. And so, you know that a high level that's that's kind of the next steps as identified back in JUNE 2024. And we're at currently in the moment. Great. Thanks so much. Stricter Thanks, everyone. For public context, we much better sense of all the questions that have to be answered I have a few thoughts, but I want to let my colleagues first to see if there are or
questions. Details Impreza, PRESIDENT, Ihave question just wanting some clarity about the legislative advisory committee. It's going to be in terms of the establishment until no later than JUNE 30th. Does that mean that? After 30th is when officially like work will happen today. Do you maybe like find members to sit on it or is it that from now until JUNE 30th that application process or whatever process is created that happens so that after 30th, can officially convened people. You clarify that? Kills. PRESIDENT Calls very answering questions. So the resolution to amend it. Essentially establishes the deadline. So the legislative advisory committee could be stood up and establish friendly. And that, of course, we would want to have an application period. You know,
time to identify individuals and appoint be a resolution so it can be established earlier than JUNE. 30th. But recalling, you kow, the conversation about the current moment we're in. And, you know, some of the challenges we're dealing with. We wanted to set a realistic expectation you know, when we could set that up and have that precede forward. So I think it's essentially up to you all as a council on when we, you start that work. And if we want to impose earlier deadline. Great. Thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, I just wanted to like me personally being in the space here and hearing the conversations about the presentations about an initiative citations that brings back so many memories and conversations things we've heard and the council chambers
hear from people about why this is so important to them like my hope is that we can get this up and running as soon as possible because that's all we'll be able start prioritizing what been hearing from the public over and over, which is light. And for me, you know why hope that we can really prioritize and sick and safe time ar $15 minimum wage ordinance and also even like all these vacant storefronts and in our wards that are don't that that are basically a corporate stores mean those are the ones that the bad actors that I and very invested in in focusing first. And so I wanted to name that because I I think it's going to be so important for us to utilize all of the input we've gotten for so many years now and prioritize those things and take action on them right away. Thanks for saying I couldn't agree more. And I think one of the things that I'm hearing from Mr Moms and I
think it's maybe up. Tension point that's keeping things from moving forward. Is this question about how to start legislative advisory committee at the same time is moving some of this other work forward. And I think your suggestion a spot on, think. The reason that I remember the legislative Iser committee being set up was to make sure that this wasn't overly punitive against individuals and all of us around the table felt really strongly that we be able to use this immediately against some of the large that actors, especially given that most of the ordinance is where and then citations are already written in are those kinds of, you know, which the tenant protections sky ways that touches. So my suggestion would be, especially if it helps your team. Clarify that the initial work on admin citations focus only on actions against, you know,
larger actors, maybe just not individuals and have legislative advisory committee be stood up advise on anything against individuals maybe that's too simplistic of a division. But I don't want to not be able to do anything on and intentions until legislative Committee is set up. And I don't want there to be confusion between what that is supposed to do, what we can move forward with in the meantime. So that's that kind of seems to be the line that I've been hearing from colleagues. Mrs yet the council PRESIDENT Hardin. I agree with both your comments. i was going bring up what you just brought up. And I see that there should be a delineation as well between what is the purpose of legislative Advisory Committee for like what types of things that they're going to review, because I also would like to get moving as quickly as
possible. And some of those, you know, bigger items. I mean, those those are the main reasons why we're pushing forward administrative citations in the first place. And so I also want to get to work those things as soon as possible. MR. Couple other just one is that the question about should pass a resolution this week with the work group? I would suggest we just create the workgroup. I think a resolution. It's probably unnecessary and it would likely lead to a work group anyway. Think the council should be involved in the administration discussion about this. So I guess that would my suggestion. I also just feel like we're I want spend with all the questions and all the different parameters that could go into a policy like this. I recognize it's really complicated. But, you know, one of the things we said a
lot when we had this on the ballot and when we were talking about it as a council for the last 4 and a half years is that we're one of the few cities that doesn't have this tool, which means that other cities have it and have policies related to it already. So rather than kind of starting from scratch in a blank slate with all of these questions and having to answer all of them brand-new, I would really suggest we look at models, especially Minneapolis, other cities that in Minnesota and jst, you know, begin from something that already exists. I think that will bcome let less overwhelming. And then finally, just on the budget question, I want to make sure that yes, it will be a budget conversation. But my expectation is that and then citations pay for themselves. These are allowed to be punitive fines for a reason.
They don't have to just recover our Well, we MAY need to make some initial budget investments and staff. All this should not just be net neutral. It should be a net positive were these are punitive. Focal point. They're not just cost recovery. So. That will make sure that as this, we're all on the same page about. This is this ok for the city to gain money from these bad actors because of their bad behavior. But again, my understanding of the whole reason for having in the Those are other Thanks. Council pres. I just wanted to share that. I agree with that. And I Dr Rooms. You ought to have a conversation of comfortably, too, because she is the one who who Who felt strongly about putting together the legislative advisory committee
it so I would want to make sure that she gets filled in on the conversation that took place here. Unlike the feedback from the from me my colleagues at the table here, too. And agree with that last part that you mentioned how PRESIDENT Just about it's ok for the city to be collecting revenue from this tool from those big bad actors. And I just want to shift for me personally, like I a I'm here. I'm not sure if help much of this Administrative citations applies to the regular legislative hearing items that we hear about every single Wednesday. But I want to let folks know that I I personally haven't seen any huge issues at all. Up with how we're currently That system is currently working. Mean, whenever we hear people come to the podium here and testify
that they can't afford the fee that is being assessed, some for them. Then we have the option We do said we can spread it out into and installments and so on. I personally, I'm not like even thinking about that at all. And I think just based on some of the pushback I've been hearing from from people in the committee about why they're concerned or why they are even opposed to citations in the first place. I think that they're probably thinking that that is what we're focusing on, how we can penalize residents who are and are not in compliance with with our codes around like housing, for example. But I do think that we have a decent system that right now seems to be working. Well. And so that's not really that's not something I'm interested in touching at time of hearing. Other people's thoughts just
wipe that out there. Thanks for The test. Handscomb. Wisconsin. Thank you. It is a tentative Hannah Diggs. I'm head through this One of Agree with much of what particularly around. You know, moving as quickly as possible. Also respecting the committee that will be stood up kind of the division between emphasizing holding bad actors accountable, large-scale bad actors accountable. This possible I think makes makes very good sense. I think one of the questions that I'll be very interested in when it comes to the design is this question of what is the consul Roland? Kind are we expanding that the instances in which the council sitting as a quasi-judicial body. I think at that. 2 of the House presidents went about how other cities are operating and how they're standing this up. I think that to me is very, very important
question and one that will be very here to learn more about knowledge about how they do things, at least Minneapolis. But I think that that more of wider range perspective could be helpful. I think that there is there are a number of challenges with city and the quasi-judicial role, particularly when it comes to making. I think that can be challenging in a number of ways. And I think we've seen that be challenging and time that I've been here and another also know that give some opportunity for. The council to be responsive to individuals. Tuitions at. It's something that can get it can be a hard balance to strike. And I'd be very curious to be thinking about that, particularly in understanding what best practices are from other jurisdictions that have doing this good that we have. Thanks for coming.
Any other thoughts or again? I think what we're getting right now is just sort of high-level guidance responses to some of the questions MR. Welch asked MR. Trump's yeah, thank you. Council PRESIDENT Council members for the input discussion and I think, you know, would be helpful to to have an update again bring the administration and you know, begin that conversation. You it is a multi party process and and I think we'll need to you know, incorporate feedback from them. And so I think it would be helpful to, you know, as set another update in a, you know, a month or 2 months and check in and get feedback that I think, you know, based on the conversations we've heard and been a part of, you know, throughout this process, I think there is concern from the administration about
adding in additional work without additional resources. You know, I anticipate that will be a conversation that will come up. That's not to say that we cannot move forward certain key areas that we, you know, signaled and promised to move forward on. But I think, you know, making sure that that administrative administration voice is at the table working through these challenges with us. This is really important. And so we will take this feedback into account will stand up the process to begin working through And then I recommend we do have a have a broader discussion next time around. Mr Rooms. I agree. And I would suggest that at that next conversation and I would I would defer to us whether a month or 2 months, I would like to go farther than that. But I also want that update to
actually be substantive work plan. So the amount of time that it will take for you in the administration to develop that, I think should guide when we create that update. And when I say work plan, I'm thinking, you know, how long do we expect this entire process to take? Are we talking year? Are we talking into next year few months? And then what are the substantive steps of that plan? And when to expect those to be done and who's responsible? So I recognize that will take some time to develop. But I do think at least that draft work plan should be the next product that we take a look a thank you. Council PRESIDENT And council members. That's helpful feedback all work with the administration and we'll see what's what's possible? You know, we need to work with them determine when
the next step they can come. Great. Any other comments or questions for colleagues. Seeing none. Thank you so much for the substantive conversation today and all the hard work to prepare for it. With that. There's something else to come the first and we are