Okay. So calling the media of the City council's policy Committee to order real problems. Council, PRESIDENT Maker. Councilmember Bowie here. Councilmember Coleman here. Councilmember Johnson Councilmember Joe stuff there. Councilmember Kim. Councilor Yang here. Seeing 5 PRESIDENT To absence. So thank you so much, Appreciate that. Welcome back focus to the position and policy Committee. I appreciate you for being with him firsthand being able to chair this committee as the council PRESIDENT Is out today. It looks like we have one item, but there several presentations that will be within that one item. So it looks like it'll be like there's a lot of contacts
added to it. But this is a really important discussion. Early SEPTEMBER we the mayor's budget address and we heard the urge for. State officials as well. So has elected to like to consider a unified set of ordinances and ways to address gun violence and gun violence prevention in our city. I personally I'm really supportive of this effort. I think, you know, for me I live on the set is a call that I think there's a lot of things where we're at a point in time where no action is just not acceptable any further. I'm really excited about this discussion being brought up today. Thank you, too. All of the be able to come up. Chair of the presentations, MR. Greenfield, I appreciate you being here as well to kick
this off talk about the done. But it's prevention work that we can do at the local level. And I think just in general, as we hold questions discussions or anything that MAY hold press, I want to make sure that we have equitable amount of time for each presentation and presenter. So I'll try to pace us accordingly to just get through the hour because and we have the jury meeting at 2, but welcome, MR. Greenfield. Thank you. Chair Johnson and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to begin this policy committee session on gun violence prevention policies as chief policy officer for the City Council. I'm here today to begin taste presentation with an overview of where the city MAY find it space to potentially regulate firearms. We know
that in the existing landscape, preemption seems to dominate every one conversations. I want to my level to talk about preemption and up. Zoom into where the city has acted in the past under existing state law in terms of ordinance. And then what other states have enabled cities that are bound by a preemption to potentially will also be a highlight of the ending point in my discussions. So start from high level and then kind of move into more specific examples. Everyone is aware there is both concurring state and federal authorities with regulating firearms. The Constitution allows Congress to regulate firearms through the Commerce clause. But limitation, the second Second Amendment also places a significant straight on the
level of government action towards firearms. And a 5 minute conversation on that would be nearly impossible. So I will move past the federal conversation to discuss state law as members of the committee MAY be aware, they say the authority to regulate firearms broader than the Constitution and some aspects. But in terms of how state law has affected the city's Minnesota statute since 1985, section 4, 7, 1, 6, 3, 3, has explicitly preempted all cities, counties, towns ad other governmental subdivisions from regulating firearms and ammunition or their respective components. There are 2 exceptions to that regulation to that complete
exclusion as the term of the statute is a government subdivision MAY regulate such as the city. The discharge of the Firearm Discharge of Firearms and it MAY adopt regulations that are identical to state law. Due to the state. Preemption, Minnesota cities have no authority to ban assault weapons, high capacity magazines or any other firearm ammunition or components thereof unless it's already banned by state law. And also put the ball in this space of city authority for firearm regulation is the Minnesota Citizens Personal Protection Act of 2003, which among oher is going conceal and carry. But that permit to carry but also impose further limits city regulation of pistols. It allows for an individual to obtain a permit to carry a pistol into a
public place and no general authority exists for city to ban permitted this tolls from being carried into city facility. It's the other aspect of city authority that not explicitly preempted by Minnesota statute is the regulation of discharge of a firearm. And in 2023, this City council adopted what's known as the state storage ordinance. It did so by nestling requirements that a person is prohibited from the negligent storage of a firearm or leaving a loaded or unloaded firearm unattended in a location where the person knows or reasonably should know that another person who is not authorized user is
likely to gain access that was modified into the definition of a discharge or an ax. Consider to be attempt of discharge of a weapon. So that changed by the city in 2023. Was to exist under existing state authority and there's not been any question of that at least to my knowledge that's been resolved about whether state storage is explicitly preempted as either restriction on ammunition or component of the firearm. That would be prohibited by Minnesota State statute. The city has has led in the sense finding ways to develop and work within existing state law. But as you'll hear from other presenters today from Moms Demand Action, Representative Pinto and Iran
are government relations team. More action needs to be taken to repeal preemption in order to allow for the city to move forward. Also you know, in the preemption conversation is that the amount of states that have adopted preemption statutes explicitly prohibiting cities from taking action. Fire research indicates that around. 43 states have especially enacted from preemption statutes, limiting localities from enacting firearm aside. You know, that's again, conversation that warns more than 5 minutes. But of the states that explicitly allow their cities to enact firearm and ammunition regulation, cities with that within the 7 states that with some know some or no firearm preemption laws are allowed to and have enacted various gun regulations, including
capacity based band's ammunition, regulation banning assault weapons that in ghost guns are privately made firearms without serial serial numbers and requiring all guns to be registered. So in this sense, the preemption seems to be the way forward that to allow more affection more direct action against firearms and their component. So with that, I think it's kind of a gateway towards a potential further action. And Iknow that the council has and then the mayor, you know, have put forth proposals under that kind of hospice once. Preemption is concluded, certain regulations would take effect. MR. King Ville, I appreciate that. And once again, just be. Overall overview and especially to submit
attentiveness that you've given to providing some of the background. I know for me that's hearing a little bit more about some of the states that have put this language in place to be there. You know, either restrict or potentially come inside of the, you know, and paper of the local avenues. I tink that that's something that pretty supportive o asking if we're not able to to resolve it at the state level as well. So sincerely appreciate that. Councilmember your head. Inkster Jensen questions. I move just in the states that don't local action. Any of those cities banned guns. From libraries and rec centers,
include honest I would have to check on that. I would be happy to look. I would imagine that, you know, based on the cities that we're talking about, Chicago, Philadelphia and the District of Columbia, I would imagine that they would have public facility ban on firearm possession. But I I I didn't state I to check that. All right. So I think with that moms Demand Action is next for And I believe they around 15 minutes per cent. I read and I believe that moms Demand Action is also going to be presenting with representative. Do you think welcome? Council members, I'm Gretchen Damon with Moms Demand Action. Thank you for having moms Demand Action at your policy committee meeting today. We are proud of the
city of Saint Paul for recently drafting language for ordinance that will address gun violence in our city. Fully support all the policies went within it and hope to add to the discussion today about all things items. Part of our presentations afternoon lines up with the proposed ordinance and assault weapons and banning high capacity magazines. The other policies we are presenting capitalize on past successes and don't necessarily require ordinances. One is secure. Firearm storage, which became a city ordinance. With your help. And now we feel it is time to push for a state law. The other is extreme risk protection orders which recently became state law. And we are advocating the creation of public awareness and additional resources to make this life-saving tool effective as possible. We encourage the council to can
you continue to be bold in actions? And we urge all leaders to come together to move forward as one t make community safe from gun violence, especially for our children. Our first presenter days making Emory. Hi, good afternoon. My name is make the Emory and the executive director of Protect Minnesota, which is the only state faced gun violence prevention organization here in Minnesota. And I'm also a proud member of the Saint Paul Mossman Action Chapter so should there sites protecting right now? It's in a handout. Could I please? Yes, thank Thank you so much. Thank you. I put this together, but don't remember off the top of my head. So I'm gonna talk a little bit about some background on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Why they're so harmful. And why we should do as much as we're empowered to do as municipalities to ban
within our borders. So what is an assault weapon? We've been hearing this question quite a bit as we talk about banning them and it's a weapon is a semiautomatic civilian weapon that usually has a military style feature of some kind or multiple something like a detachable magazine. Pistol grip folding sought, et cetera. These are essentially military-style weapons that have made available to citizenry. What is a high capacity magazine, a magazine that this one simple to magazine that holds more than 10 rounds why anyone wuld need to fire more than 10 rounds in one go. I don't have the answer to. Regulate these things within our borders for a few reasons. Mass shootings with assault weapons results
in 2 times as many killed and 14 times as many people injured as mass shooting that don't involve a self-defense in the 10 deadliest mass shootings here in the United States on record. 8 of them used an assault weapon. And it's just simply allow more harm to happen in the shooting at Annunciation. We saw 116 bullet shot in 118 seconds. That's an incredible amount of Time Inc these have been regulated before. As you all probably know, there was a federal ban on assault weapons from 1994 to 2004. That was allowed to sunset and has not been brought that up. There is extensive evidence shootings with assault weapons diminished during the time when assault weapons were banned. 14 states and dc already ban assault weapons and callenges to these fans have held up in court. It's
legal for us to do that here in Minnesota. And they're also a lot of municipalities that do this as well. Denver Cook County, Buffalo. Have all high capacity magazines assault weapons. What this is dependent on. I know a number of you know this because you were at the press conference yesterday with Mayor Carter. This is a dependent on the reversal of preemption in the If that doesn't happen, we could enact a trigger clause, right? That's as soon as pension is reversed. This will go into effect in the city of Saint Paul. But there certainly is precedent for this all around the country. And there's no reason why we can do it here. The simple fact is that these weapons, these magazines make our communities vastly more unsafe
and it is legal for us to regulate them. Thank you. Thank you. Council members, my name's and actually been cma same policy to family physician and a volunteer with the group Moms Demand Action. And I'm here to follow Maggie to just it. Kind explain what our asks would be of the steeple city council around the issue of banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. And I remain asked really is for you to just be part of the growing chorus of leaders who are using their voices and platforms to call for that bans on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We are heartened to see Mayor Carter, another Minnesota mayor standing together and speaking out and we ask for your support and collaboration
as with leaders at all levels. Certainly a statewide ban would be best. So we ask to please continue to work with and support our Saint Paul State delegation, including Representative Pinto, who's here with us today. Whatever capacity you can. In light of the apparent inaction at the Capitol right now, we also asked for your collaboration with our mayor and other city councils in Minnesota and to keep the pressure on state leaders for action. The West Saint Paul City Council passed a resolution to that effect last month, which could potentially be used as a model. We're hoping that if enough city show readiness to our state leaders that eventually it will lead to a tipping point that state legislators can no ignore in the meantime, we ask to please support the mayor's push to get state level preemption of
firearm regulations lifted as has been mentioned so that can pass and forcible gun violence prevention ordinances within our own cty. And finally, we ask you to pass an ordinance to ban public possession sale and transfer of assault weapons and high capacity magazines in Saint Paul so that it will be ready to enforce as soon as preemption is lifted. And we're very grateful to know that this is already in the works. And so we thank you all so much for having us here today and for the work that you do to keep us safe and I'm going to turn it over to Gretchen and again, we'll be talking about the secure firearm storage space. I'm here to talk secure firearm storage. And traditionally, this is the policy that we talk about most. Because it has potential to save the most lives. Access to a big factor in firearm suicide. In unintentional shootings among children. In
firearm theft. And with regards to school shootings, access to guns plays a part because oftentimes the perpetrator will get the gun from home. The gold standard for secure firearm storage is to store the van unloaded lot. And with the ammunition separate. We do have a state law that is the type of secure firearm storage law. It's known is a child access law and it was implemented in 2010. And that basically says if someone stores a a loaded firearm. Where a child might likely access it. That person can be found negligent. So that's what that child access law covers in 2010. Things have changed since in 2022 1021, the biggest surge in firearm purchase scene occurred. Over 44 million guns
were purchased in those 2 years in Minnesota that equated to a million and a half pounds in the last 2 years. Unfortunately, just under half of gun owners store their firearms securely. So a little more than half of gun owners do not use secure storage. The U.S. We now live in a country where 46 million children live in a household with an unsecured gun. Self protection is the number one reason that people give to buy a gun. However, a gun in the home. Really increases the chances that someone in that household is going to be killed or injured much more than that gun will be used for an outside intruder. Even
knowing that fence one of the biggest arguments that we kind of get the pushback we get is I'm a gun owner and I want to get to Megan as fast as possible. Technology, his caught up and there are gun safes that you can store firearm I that you can open instant he nearly instantaneously. If you are the owner. Some print or a fingerprint voice activation. Or a 5 on your watch. So really gun owner can get to their instantaneously as the owner I that fear still in their mind that really the gun in the house is potentially dangerous for those with that there. And so Demand Action really feels that it's time for a state law where gun owners are required to store And securely and in the meantime, we're
waiting for that. We have some local actions that we're working now that we would like your support, the free gun lock program through the same pub public libraries, which the Ramsey County Attorney's Office helps us with. We would like information to go home through the Saint. Paul public schools. So families get information on secure sturgeon. Know how to talk about it. We've had some luck with charter schools with the Office of Neighborhood Safety. But still, we need broader. We're also lastly, proud of the 8 parking ramp science. We have that remind. Car owners not to leave unsecured guns in their cars because that's the biggest source of guns, vehicles. Thank you for considering this policy. And
next want to introduce and lift it. Hi, my name is Anne Le Duc. Resident of Ward 4 in Saint and I'm going talk. I have the easy park today because I'm gonna talk about or both extreme risk protection orders. And the reason it's easy is because it is an existing state law. This and will be JANUARY will be the second year. Yes, in the euro Rios, you should have some sites that are full. It's I been little bit over a year. The Ramsey County Attorney, John Choi designated or Paul is a priority and he has hired in in dedicated staff to work on that. We have been working with them as well. So extreme risk protection order also
called a red flag. People understand. And I think more clearly and as our police chief. Chief Henry says every report pays And I like that. I think that's easy to remember. So if you feel if anybody, if people feel there's someone is is posing a threat to themselves or to other people or both. That's when you use in your And who cn is. I'm gonna tell you, bt you know what it how their access. And then what we ask of you. So how it's accessed is your family member or 3 law enforcement. There is a in your in your materials used a link to the Ramsey County website takes you right to the petition for. And it's extremely ease. Excuse me.
Extremely easy to fill out. I I was a public school teacher in the forms. If for free and reduced lunch are not easy to fill out. But this is a very easy for him to feel weak. We printed copies of it and we had it at our table when we went out this summer to speak to the public so that people could actually see how easy it. Let's one of our goals is simple minds is to educate people us like this. And s what our ask of you will it to help disseminate the materials that we have prepared and the materials that we prepared that with the assistance of the Ramsey County Attorney's Office or 3, there is some. Some things tat are suitable for Instagram, Facebook, for social media there in your
materials. There is wonderful fact Ad there is an Era paragraph staff about what are polls are. We are asking you if you can put this in here, constituent newsletter. And every of you should have received funding except for calm out counsel him for Johnson, which is my fault because I thought probably rather I hear from us first before we send it to you. But I know someone who is send it to to Councilmember Coleman and anyone. We'll send it again. And I councilmember bully. When you are at our meeting, but we'll send them again to We'd also like to have you encourage your district councils to put it into their newsletters. And just this past week we get
pain failing printed us the company just are county district. Can't they both had? Links to our materials. So. I think that that is what I was going to say. Like I said, I have the easy, the easy part, but it's a public education, public education, excuse public education campaign. So and I think we'll have some time for questions afterwards. Thank you for invading Miles today. PRESIDENT Of Pen to would you like to come up and say a few words if you'd like? Welcome to the chamber. Thank you so much. So glad to be with you. I think the plane was actually that that I was gonna comment at the end it. So maybe what I'll do is tougher to the Governmental affairs team. then provide some comments each of these sections that that's okay with Chair. Thank
you. Okay. Is there any questions for either in same in every Vinci or councilmember jokes? It just. 2 questions. And actually just a comment for the folks Moms Demand Action. I just again, just really appreciate you all being here and the part in your presentation about normalizing communication around safe storage. And I'm a parent. I know many of us are are also parents. And when we think about our kids going over to someone else's house or something like that, and it feels like that's getting more normal was just from what I've been experiencing. And I know that a lot of that is because of the work that you do. And just really appreciative of that. There's more to do, too,
because it's not fully normalized yet. But that's something that I think about love that really concerns me the one question I had about there. proposed law. And know it if you know the answer this, but is this related to in me not rlated to or how does it relate to like borders for protection and harassment orders and things like that. Does anyone have an answer to that? MADAM Chair my work outside the legislature and work as a prosecutor county is your customer. And each of these orders are parallel that in each case somebody goes to court and says, hy, I need a court order to to do something that will be protective of people. But actually really 4 different orders that are kind of can all be grouped together show you in order for protection, which is something where somebody is in a relationship with somebody
else. A man to partner parent child sibling, whatever it And the coalition are saying, hey, for the protection of those people, they should be a separation. Freshman restraining order is similar. But there's not that relationship. So maybe a neighbor or co-workers, there's a domestic abuse no-contact order tissues by criminal case. And then this proposed the newest Part of the reason I'm saying this is that even as we enacting your full law, there's some pushback saying, oh, this is such a new thing. Of course, it's not in use in many other states and it parallels as other words that I said show with Interpol. The person in question is either family or friend, we're potentially law enforcement going to the court saying we need in order for protection of this person and
everybody else to keep this personally from guns for a temporary period of time. So they're all kind of parallel, but they completely different Thank you. Thank you. Council COUNCILMAN Charles accounts under Koeman. Thank you. Question a man and no problem if don't have the answer to this question. But you mentioned that during 2020 2021 know we had an increase of 1.5 million guns purchased in Minnesota. I'm curious if you have additional information on with those purchases, where are those folks who adopt previously owned a gun were purchasing first time guns is that folks already had 3, 4, 5, guns and decided to purchase If you have any additional information, be very curious to know. I don't have it at my fingertips, but I think there were a lot of first-time gun buyers in in that amount. But I can get that information for
you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay. And then I believe we have another a position as well from house. he got work. Gary, hello, thanks for having me. And Bron House intergovernmental relations director for the City of Saint Paul. And here to talk a little bit about the gun violence prevention ordinance, the Mayor Carter proposed his budget address ever has come in. I mentioned earlier. So I see here. That's okay. You have the I say trying to project on the states project manager sometimes it has a minute to police activated sly
and a Okay. Well, you have the handouts in front us So if you can see what I'm saying. I'm okay. And I'm try to not repeat too much of what's already been talked about as mentioned previously. And as I'm sure Represenative control will be able to talk much about even more thoroughly than ever could. The state of Minnesota preempts local governments from enacting any local laws control regulate I level higher than what the state this, which is pretty minimal so in this context, pharamcy law completely preempt local authority over regulating farah's ammunition and components. Something okay. So the mayor and I know our city council's as board to Iraq, but I am comfortable saying I think our city council is also agrees across the state are either calling for the state
to implement like ideal situation would be legislative action for like a blanket like firearm. Gun violence prevention across the state. Says that that's not possible for political reasons. We love for the state to repeal the preemption loss of the state's connected or cities. Connector, old. I would just say like I don't mean, I want to be clear. We are trying to call Governor Walz or the dfl House and Senate leaders and members they have been pushing for gun violence. Prevention at the Salem for years. My own experience working up there and now working the space here. I can attest that they take this incredibly seriously. It's top priority
for many, many. And legislative leaders. But with unfortunately the House being tied and Republicans controlling the speakership. I think politically it's just much bigger challenge. The current political environment. So with that said, we are, you know, the call that the mayors and those attended this press conference yesterday have been saying is fine. We understand that you feel comfortable gun violence prevention. See why we are ready to act at the local level. And so for the local ordinance that Mayor Carter has proposed to you all, it would do the following. Things would ban assault weapons, large capacity magazines and finer Traverse City limits. The ordinance that we will be bringing to you all next week for first reading defiance, high capacity magazines as 20
rounds. I know the Moms Demand Action presentation of the 10. So I just want to be clear. Our ordinance is a little bit different than their proposal. And that is something that I think it could be a discussion amongst all of you of where you feel comfortable landing on that number. Acquire firearms have serial number and prohibit untraceable ghost guns. Restrict firearms in sensitive places, including kirks libraries, rec centers and city owned buildings, ensuring that there is clear signage. On all these sensitive spaces where the city would ban firearms and then establishing penalty is. And the ordinance is very clear that enforcement will take place until state statutes are repealed. There are a number of exemptions in the ordinance will be bringing forward, including active duty - law enforcement, licensed
firearms dealers, people who are illegally transporting their firearms through the city. Like avoid Saint Paul, if they're traveling on, I-94. And then disposal or transfer authorize agencies. And then as you all no and several of you attended yesterday, there was a a press conference at the state Capitol with a coalition of local leaders and local and good friends prevention. Leaders the public talk about it. These types of ordinances and lifting the preemption. So that local governments can act. So have a here of the calition cities, elected officials from the city's. It's not saying that every elected official in the city is supports this, but it is saying that at least one elected official from that city. Has either in like expressed support participated yesterday and we also have been partnering with
these organizations as well. So we're grateful to everybody is leadership and it felt. It's really inspiring to see how many local communities are. Ready to do this work. Then as far as timeline for the same poll ordinance, we are planning, as I mentioned, first reading next Wednesday, OCTOBER 22nd. Second reading and public hearing will be NOVEMBER 5th. And then 3rd reading in final passage would hopefully be NOVEMBER 12th. So. I'm happy to take any questions. Consumer Tips, thank you, Chair Johnson and thank you. A self-serving The exemption about transporting through the city. I really appreciate that. And I know that some of so things that I've heard of people that might suggest why they would be against cities enacting their own local ordinances because then there would be piecemeal ordinances real estate. And if you are
moving through the state that you need to be concerned about what you do when you get Saint Paul. But one question I had about transport through the city, does that mean what if you were to stay in the city overnight? If you are traveling in? Going from place to place or stopping here. I was just thinking with, you know, Minneapolis, Saint Paul Airport being a place that a lot of people come through to get from one place to the other. Does that apply in this situation or or or not? That's a great question, but I don't know the answer to. So I will find out and I will go back to Thank you. I guess. Iraq. One thing I also should have mentioned and I'm not sure if I did when I here and there so make sure I say is that representative can do is author of the bill that would lift the preemption. And so we're very grateful to his
leadership this. Wonderful. I have question. Distinction between the 20 rounds and 10 rounds conversations obviously we did hear from Demand Action that like the tenant the request of 20 rounds. I know we have 3 things, but when this is as we head into the frustrating for next week. I think it really important to get that the distinction between the types questions that we're talking about just taking up weapons that we're talking about. There's a distinction there between 20 in I. Don't think it's a small but I'm also not someone who is as first guns. And I that even up to that level rounds at all. And so just for the king and understanding of that. What's the distinction with a
difference? Because I think I understand the reason that was given as why the and the other route they feel that they can defend. But I'd be really helpful to understand. What that actual changes in real time. Yeah. S I will just say the ordinance does have a definition of assault weapon and that so it is clearly defined an ordinance. Exactly what type of weapons that would ban in Saint Paul. And we have more details on that next week. And then I would say on the 20 versus 10 rounds right past the magazines that. Understanding of the policy decision that went into that since the federal ban on assault weapons was lifted. The industry standard has increased from a being typically 10 rounds to now being between 15 and 17 rounds. So probably very likely many legal handgun owners in
the city of Saint Paul ready who have a handgun. That would not be the end of assault weapons ban. That has a magazine a 15 to 17 rounds. So it you know, those aren't. It like terms and but like they're not automatic weapons, gifted one pull of the trigger for one bullet. But they do have higher capacity magazines. And that is just like how purchased at the store to In addition. So I think that that was we don't want to. Tke people who have these firearms that that are legal. Currently, they are thought by, you know, the ordinance. We do want to put them out of complaints of an ordinance. It's like the spirit of the ordinance. Guess. So. But again, this is a policy consideration for all of you. Doesn't have to be 20. Got some thank you. Thank you so much, friend. Appreciate
that strong at the scene. Also. It's a question we and it has fallen from. Here. Everything from attorney all sand. Talking specifically around just like what is of a municipality's. When it comes to regulation but more specifically serialized nation. That wasn't where learned to it. U.S. Airlines nation I've got to rat The purchase scene. I'm so I remember she had mentioned that that was something that the mayor. Now we are ordinance require it. But we. don't have to pass the municipality's. Designed actually. Enforce a a and b and e the business likes you nation. And so I'm curious, maybe from wrecked car you policy officer. Has there been
examples of cities or states? Really utilizing c section to to call the 5 with 2 eyes. Ation. And Mike you know, I right I don't know much about. I do understand end of, you entering row force I'm just curious if the state has an interest expanding that equation. Yeah, Iwould as far as the ordinance we're bringing forward yet we will require all in the city have serial numbers this is related to the uptick of that are created from 3 d printing parts and then ordering last couple pieces online and you can build your own gun and doesn't have a serial numbers registered. You can buy I from the federal federally licensed dealer. There is in. I will have details on this
next But there is You know, like. So we don't want those Kansas City. We don't want like there is show like there's evidence that those are the types of guns that are more commonly used in crimes. Are those when they exist or more commonly used in crimes? But the issue is that like with the ordinance, we don't want to put the city in a position where we are than having to create serial numbers for guns ourselves because it's just it would be a big program to stand up. It would. Likely cost a lot of staff time and be expensive. Also, then, you know, there would be these guns in the state of Minnesota that have a serial number in Saint Paul that the rest of the state doesn't recognize that serial number. And that would be. Not a very professional way to put it. So anyway, the point is that this ordinance would serialization we go into
effect when the state comes up with like a program to Syria, lice guns that don't serial numbers. And there is, I believe, also an exception for into that don't have to guns that you know. Created before. So see become a thing. More question to sorry. Misspoke. Mispronounced her Representative Dave Pinto accidently cut the nose, thinking of. For it is that is a sterilization program. Is that also going to be part of station state level building out that program? I don't have answer to that. I haven't seen anything on But I do know that there are symbols that are related to ges comes up there. So I can speak to exactly what's in
maybe you're sent to Japan. So I would let different him on that one. and ran. I really, really appreciate just kind the the aspects of the coalition and as it forms, you know, I I know that not all cities have a strong euro system for some of te cities that you actually listed. Their leadership is in the council. And I think that as we think about just continuing to move forward in this work and how important is it, the partnerships between the mayors city council members at the local level will be really important. Not only to here in Saint Paul but threw a lot of the cities and municipal level piece. That piece isn't so I do hope that will continue to have that. I appreciated the invitation for the press release. Personally couldn't make it. But most of my colleagues were there. And I think that's just kind of like the overall interest in being a part of something. While Baker, then and more important than just passing, an ordinance here in the city
of Saint Paul. But also regionally and I and I think about the see organizing and Moyes that will be really impactful to the entire country at a time where it seems like we really genuinely need to And so as we go through that and especially from an and relations perspective. We have several organizations that I think also are, you know, and works, but their council mmbers and we use that I think for some of the state policy and some of those honors supporting, I would hope to see reflected in our legislative agenda for this year. And to this this year's session that's coming. But I also would just echo the importance ensuring that, you know, as we go through this process, that council members are tagged and for help as elected officials. We talked to many elected officials throughout the city and
throughout the Twin Cities region. I know of many other elected officials throughout the state and I think being able to have that coalition building space is not to say that you guys aren't able to do that or you don't have those relationships, but definitely from Catholic to colleague, not all cities operate like that's thing called So just really keeping that in mind and are casual conversations. We be. We'd be more than willing to assist. And I do. I would just extend that from my particularly got to speak behalf of my colleagues. But I was really happy to see us take this up with something that you that when we went to the press conference in the city of Minneapolis, you know, I with part in part because I think
it's really important that do what we can, especially the local level to show that unification and being able to show that we are ready to act not only just passing ordinances and waiting for, you know, a change that would allow us to actually enforce them. But we can also build, though, Bill, that coalition across the state in many ways. And so I hope that that just don't don't forget that APIs as we're as you guys are building in as you guys are moving. It's exciting to see. It was really great to see the press really the press conference and the folks that showed up the for the front of a but governor's press area probably has not been so hasn't been that covers an ally of elected officials
talking about why we are ready to take the step statewide. So just genuinely really appreciated all the work that went into it and it was cool to see have a lot of great faces in many different ways. And so I just know that there's a lot of there's a lot. There was a lot you're speaking, but we also need to work with the council members in those respective cities, too, because not all of those cities are strong. Thank you, France. For council member Johnson. I we did extend the invitation to every council member in the state as well mayors. So we didn't include city council as well. Thank you. We had oficial. Yes, COUNCILMAN I'm I strikeouts and well, first, want to say
thank you to all of the leaders, members and volunteers from Moms Demand Action. When I reflect on my 5 years here in the just remember seeing so many familiar faces that keep coming back over and over again. New faces as well. And the fact that you all coming here on a volunteer really speaks to the heart and the compact, the passion that you have for ending gun violence and the work is so personal and it absolutely should be. You want to say thank you to you as listening to all of our speakers today, honestly, it brings to really chilling memories to me of when I was a teenager and it past midnight. My family received a phone call on our land line about my father being in the hospital from a gunshot wound. Those are memories that I will never forget. And the fact that we
are here, it's only because we have not stop getting those types of phone calls and seen those types of experiences and painful, painful events happen in our community. And so I want to say thank you. To some I'm holding My brother a in my head right now. Really that he is a survivor of got my And know that the work that we're doing right now and it really will not be that one and, you know, the solution t ending gun violence. But it is definitely a really important step in doing that. And so I am wanted to see my strong support for the ordinance here and just, you know, I wanted to extend that gratitude to the staff who are all working on elected officials. My colleagues, I know preaching to the choir
here about the support for am the steps of ordinances and I was wondering if any of the guest speakers can educate us a bit about the about serial numbers like we are typically on a firearm. Would that be located? And then when come to the language for the proposed ordinance, Ididn't see any sort of language around. Make around Lake making sure that if somebody or 2, for example, temper and a firearm and try to get rid of the serial number, that there would be any sort of of. Action that we can take the money, any legal actions that can be taken toward that. And so can you talk a bit about that and does the current ordinance are already covered? The proposed ordinance already cover some sort of language around that. And so that's just question out of curiosity. So, yah, i welcome anybody to come and speak to that. Yeah, thank you. So this year members usually located
on the frame of the gun, which is kind of the piece that goes around like it holds The trigger. It's like the larger overall. Like structure of the firearm and tear second question. It is illegal in the state, Minnesota to tamper. With an existing serial numbers. So if you do anything too wipeout or burn off or otherwise obscure a fire or a serial number that excess want a fair and that is illegal. It's the creation of firearms that don't have a certain number that is unregulated currently. Thank you. All right. Take the last few minutes of talk about state Representative Pinto. And if there's things that you want to touch on that we please feel free to do so. And thank you again for your partnership and being willing to lead on this work at the state level. We recognize that it's not an easy feat and I
genuinely just proud that we have leaders here in Saint Paul that are willing to do that. And so thank you so much for that. And thank you for leadership and the you for your support. As for the great to see you in the chambers. This so nice to see it well. MADAM Chair members. And I appreciate your flexibilities are a little confusion on the agenda. So just a couple points. One is I think I think we're all aware of this and our guys, but it's important to acknowledge that this is a uniquely American problem. Countries around the world have people who experience mental health crises who get angry with one another at this various things. It's oly in the U.S. In many developed country that has the scale injury and death firearms that we in a skilled
is way beyond other It's it's uniquely. Can you tell us? And a reminder that firearms are the leading cause of death. 2 children in our country as well. Ad it's also important to remember that we can do things about this there was an assault weapons ban of the federal level for 10 years. And and the research shows Americans were safe for that. There were fewer gun deaths and injuries during that time in Minnesota, a reminder that we did pass not only the laws that change production or as talked about, but also the law require criminal background checks on gun sales. Both of those were hard fight. It took a while, but they're now in place and research from the states that had those indicates that the residents of those states are safer. And we know you're both, especially there's been quite a lot of coverage, all sorts of situations where that has saved lives been really powerful as well. I want to make sure the council members were kind of where where
things stand overall, even the last few weeks there was a proposal from leadership in the House and the Senate Governor Walz to have a special legislative session that would several proposals that the fl members have been trying to advance such as of an assault weapons. We heard about that and high capacity magazines, but also a number of proposals that Republicans advanced. I'm including increased spending and no mental health treatment number of other things. Also addressing the issue of of Serialization referenced and guns without serial numbers often created using 3 d printers, so-called ghost guns. Something that for a long time had been thought of as being banned in Minnesota, a gun without a serial number. And there was recent court
case that had some confusion on that. It was range of proposals there was photo from the dfl leaders and Governor Walz for there to be a special session to pass those white. Why Brady proposals that so far has been rejected by Republican leadership and the House. It would just take one Republican too, the support of any of proposals they have not supportive at this point, but we're going to continue to push can continue to work. And as appreciate this has brought in bring this and the author of the bill to lift to the preemption. Band that's in place right now under state law. There is narrower version. By the way of that bill representative that authored by Representative Hussein and Senator Pappas, Tulsa, Sabo legislators. We've got some real simple pride
going here that would allow greater municipal regulation. wrecked centers and Mine is sort of a broader version that would simply lift the preemption law cities to regulate both. Those bills were heard in the House in 2024. Received favorable reviews at that point along with bills, I should say. Speaking of Saint Paul Pride, representative, her has had a bill to require the reporting of lost or stolen firearms. There's a bill to require safe storage. Both of those are bills that have passed in the past. So there's a lot that's out there to advance. And we do need the support of my Republican colleagues are at least one o 2 of to than some of those tings. And so we're going to continue working as hard as we can. But I want to make sure that you're sure wear of what's going on with that. I'm trying to think
about as many different ideas as we can to do with this unique American epidemic. So appreciate you taking the time. Very happy to your question or most of the time. Thank you so much. MADAM Chair members. Thank you. Representative Antone, especially just for bringing us up to speed and just some of the work we know. And recognize just how strong our leadership, especially here in parts of the litigation and our state House members and our senators have been on have a king for. For or even ship. It also just safer gun laws for all for many, many years. And so. Just want to take the time to thank you. And I think what staff and thank us for it. know, from what elected body to another, just simply on how before the for our state leaders to also see the the need to address to take up some of these pieces revisit
some of the bills that are out that are here and the opportunities that we have this year. We are at time. But I will say that if you have other additional questions, I'm sure that we are able to get in contact with all the folks that have presented today to chair here in our city and - then for moms demands that Moms Demand Action item I have my office has received several e-mails as well. And so I look forward to that continued conversation, especially as we get into the reading of the ordinance is the feedback that you only have epecially ones, you know, not only the public hearing, but just in general, as we're building on to territory. This ufortunately not been charted before. I think it's really important that we do that with community. And so I know I know in our office, we welcome your feedback. And as the process goes long, so please don't hesitate to reach out to
us. And thank you, Jack, it so much for taking opportunity to put this together. So such a route over to to the House in Redevelopment Authority meeting. You're adjourned.