Chair Johnson, I am here. Present one excused absence being Commissioner Kemp. Number one for discussion as resolution 25 dash 5.42. Recommendation for City Council approval of healthy home and power, a home. Program guidelines citywide. They think you so much commissioners over the last couple weeks, just of the questions that I've seen kind of come in as well. I know this is a follow-up. We did have a precursor for this, but I know I press is back with us and we'll head over to directing it. So they can provide some updates and just how incorporated your questions b back. Any questions we have still lingering out there. I'm sure he'll be able to answer so and over to you direction. Thank you. Chair Johnson commissioner. If you just said exactly what I was gonna say
so so will hand it over to chief resilience officer for a start to provide an update on how that feedback that you've given us been incorporated into the guidelines, which are back action today. guess yesterday commissioners. So we are have been working hard post your initial feedback about these 2 programs to. Mke some changes to federal line with the policy maker wishes for these programs south to briefly review. We've got to programs that we're moving forward with here. Healthy homes in power, a home healthy homes will include both pre weatherization measures and weatherization. Just to remind you, weatherization activities will only take place so that weatherization activities can take place that will not take
place in the end of MAY. Power of home involve home electric Haitian measures. We've talked about the purpose quite a bit. Probably don't need to review but obviously high-level goals are around reducing energy costs for proving health, comfort of homes for lowand moderate-income residents. And for the time being focusing that homeowners. So again, the types of improvements in pre weatherization and are healthy homes would include things like outdated and unsafe wiring replaced removal of from a q a and asbestos. Mold. Might be causing problems that are preventing weatherization damage, roofs, etc. And weatherization itself. The typical measures are wall and roof insulation. Air sealing on with weather stripping in some cases window
repair. Healthy hmes, eligible homes would be owner occupied. Would be one to 4 dwellings and for healthy homes. We do propose making those all of those dwellings eligible. It's hard to weatherize. Only one unit 2 or 4 unit building and eligibility would be at 80% my for geographic area that we have talked about previously. Again, power of overall purpose helping are lower income households move away from the use of fossil fuels, improving health, comfort and safety. Sure they are lower income households from increased cost other homeowners electrify their homes. More energy costs. Burton, reducing in-home emissions as well as greenhouse gas emissions. And this would be done essentially
by switching out gas based appliances some cases like plant is for high efficiency. Electric come apart. Those improvements would include things like air source, heat pumps ad the versions of pumps that are used for water heaters as well as clothes, dryers, electric induction, stoves upgrades to electrical panels and panel expansions that MAY be required for moving moving toward more electrical appliances. And here with our home again, we would focus on Rockville Pike. We would limit power home. 2 single unit homes of the complexity of potentially doing these improvements in both the unit of a homeowner and of their tenants. Wanting to kind of simplify. And this first stage of just kind of
focusing on homeowners. And here for power home, we would get 50% of am I or below or the geographic proxy area, which is a smaller area, as you'll recall. We also heard your feedback about sort not just sort of making this available a first-come, first-serve. It really kind of the the programs, obviously low-income and high energy burden, homeowners. That should have been the case al along, but also specifically to homes and climate vulnerable neighborhoods as well as those homes that are deferred or denied by other service providers in this will be the easiest and fastest source of potential projects for this program as well as homes with an address health and safety issues were weatherization is being prevented. So some of the changes that we made
adjustments. With regard to 2 to 4 unit buildings, again, healthy homes, no change, which they'll be eligible. But the cap would remain a $50,000 for those buildings. Power home would be ineligible for the time and those 2 four-unit buildings. W removed the rental properties for the purpose of simplifying administration of these programs as they are young and having to clearer focus. Obviously complexity and working with the kind of tense situation. But we do believe it will want keep looking at that option for the future. And then for your feedback, we removed the asset limit requirements and looking Income qualifications. We also pursue back commissioners added a couple of specific options. Under our home in
particular, which is a nation washer and he pump dryer units which were mentioned before as well as specified, not just electrical panel upgrades but also expansions. And then and healthy homes just provide a little bit more clarity. The eligible activities would include improvements recommended by the home energy audit that MAY or MAY not be specifically listed in those eligible activities. But there's something that is recommended by the energy out as a cost-effective measure. It's sort of implicitly eligible. So those are the changes and updates. I will wreck there welcome any questions or feedback. Thank you. Thank you, MR. Start are there any questions time from commissioners that we didn't get to? Commissioner provides Thanks to Jonathan. Just want
to thank chief resilience, Officer Stark and all the departments af of Putin working all the. My colleagues who put in so much work to get these here. I came in at the last minute and had several very served notice to make Gaza. So clean energy nerd in someone who's electrified his house and of much scrappy unless intentional way than the city staff will do for all of our only slate hurt learned is that we don't have any of the income qualified areas for the power from program. But I really appreciate the way the income qualification is built for both of these. I think so many new programs at the state, federal and local levels have a hard time making sure the income qualification isn't a burden that's actually a way to serve more people in the way the staff of 7 up is really to the best practice
that I've seen of allowing the mapping tool, the self attestation the program provocation. All those things really matters. So just want to thank folks for including the feedback. Sure, Johnson, for you to Gavin this and also for all the all the work that's into one small question. I'm curious in terms of the especially in the energy side and the press rather station weatherization made me think of this. How are we considering the interaction with utility programs? So specifically, you know, I'm sure they would if they're - made aware, they love to be able to count this. And there you go stats and all of those things. But how are we considering both the financing side on the utility program or even just the credit sort claiming that make sense. Chair Johnson Commissioner Progress Kate, great questions. So both with
utility rebates and the potential federal rebates that we understand the state is moving forward with that program. The city would seek to maximize capturing those rebates because the city will be actually making the payments for these projects. We would maximize our ability to capture those rebates put them essentially back into the programs. Additional properties. There MAY be some cases where those rebates are only eligible or credits are only eligible to a homeowner. And in which case, obviously, couldn't intervene in that situation. But we certainly are believe that many cases, both utility programs and the federal rebates, a 3rd party
such as the city could actually be eligible to receive those. As long as we show that we're the ones doing work. Thank you, commissioner. Provide in the queue, MISTER As well. I mean, it's a Commissioner boy, that your that looking over here to are really just a and also want to share. Thank you so much. I appreciate the staff. All the thoughtfulness. I went into designing this program and now into the piloting of this program and just like all the rich. Debate and discussion around how we can make sure these resources go back into our community and help improve our housing stock. My question is really simple. And I was trying to find it in like the previous presentations and even last year's budget.
But can share how much funding is designated to each program? Is it going to be this from the same pool? And until the money runs out, ours dollars amounts that's designated. I was trying to find in the last one better. I don't know if that's been change or think. Chad Johnson, Commissioner So as you MAY recall, the original Healthy Homes program was a million dollars. A little piece of that will go into Steph Curry, Ministrations with interest closer to $900,000 available for projects and healthy homes. That was one time funding power of home has $300,000 available for your one. But that is ongoing funding from our franchise fee changes that you all made and so moving forward, it is likely that we will sort meld
both programs into one using those ongoing resources. But for the time being, we thought it was important to kind of distinguish the one-time funding source and the ongoing funding source. So I would expect that when we're back next year talking about this. MAY be recommending that change to kind of consolidate into one program that the funds have been expended. By that point, which we certainly intend. Thank you, MR. Stark. I think that also aligns with just some of the feedback tat received from commissioners last year in the murine of that. So I think just economy of the body but to speak on behalf of it. I think we had interest and that I'm sure that there is shared alignment
there when it comes I'm and funding. Along those lines, I think one of the things that I thought was helpful to also know and come back to. But I didn't care in the presentation, but I think we heard it by a couple weeks ago. Was this the also the partnerships with preexisting weatherization programs like energy sense, end the work tat they do. But also like with Xcel Energy and just could you share a little bit about like? Miami dissipating that this project will also partnered closely with some of these. And Iknow you mentioned community Action partnership last time. So because you specify, you know how I guess the timing for this how we're anticipating working with those organizations tat have either have are programs up and
running or they are also thinking about ways to continue address our energy burden, homes and household. Knowing that we have several cars across the city that have higher disconnection rates than others. So just kind of wondering. I know it's there. Just could you share a little bit more for folks tat want to just hear how we're going work with them with this program in the future. Yes. Chair Johnson, thank you for the question. So today both in the action program Renton Washington implement federal weatherization projects and Energy Sense Coalition who implement the low-income weatherization programs that are pretty public Utilities commission using funds Fedex all have to expend for that purpose. They have told us clearly that they run into properties that have more extensive need for pre weatherization investment that their programs are unable to fund because funding
limitations. And so I know we even heard about one specific one just recently from one of those organizations. And so we've already got sort of potentially project number, to let you know, to make a phone And we expect that be in very regular communication wth them to essentially received information about those deferrals that they are needing to make. We understand they have to make them fairly regularly. So so that's the first part the second part yes, it's going to take that ongoing coordination to really make this work well. And and they are really helpful. Additional eyes and ears about folks in the community who are already seeking help in this area, which is the easiest way for us to then come in and rather than needing to sort
generate outreach and marketing ourselves. And so we think that be really valuable partnership. We know separately that excel had approved by the Public Utilities Commission just recently as part of their natural Gas Innovation Act filing that they're ging to need to do some work within their gas service territory which think policy, largest city in this very same area of work which is low-income weatherization and electrification. And so they're going to be setting up some programs. Very similar to And so that will help expand the opportunities even further in our community and were very much touch with them. Kind of giving our suggestions about how our program is going to work and how they might can see both of theirs have a
pretty fast turnaround time coming up determine their kind of program eligibility guidelines, etc. Thank you. Did I MISS England's hand? I just want to it's been really great, too, be able to learn from this because, well, know that see Chelsea's at the newest Minnesota in the room, and I I'm really thankful to all of the constituents that have reached out to bring this I'm excited to see what te future of the program will bring to the city and just like whenever I know more Inc, all the commissioners are most of the commissioner said response questions and engage with that. I think that this is a testament to just how important for us to also see be a resource that can get out the door and actually get to community members on really be able to learn from the success
that it has. And so I hope that we will know tat this item, both come here and just for clarification, recommendation right now for the resolution, the action will be taking will be to refer it so to prove it and refer to the council today. So with the past year in this body will be bringing it under Spansion later on today at the council meeting for a formal approval. But we do have taken action today to do that. So I would entertain a motion from commissioner maker to prove discussion. Seeing none all those in favor. Posts. Direction and the roll call. There are 6 present and one excused absence. So and with this both there are 6 and favors or oppose. The resolution is adopted. Thank you for that correction. And
thank you, MR. Stir for your presentation and thank you. Chair Johnson commissioners and we certainly hope that your colleagues on the city council will accept your recommendation. Yeah, I have a feeling that thank you so And I'm going to talk talk to All item number 2 for discussion is resolution r e s 25 Dash 5, 6, 2 resolution approving modification of the 2002 home loan to Saint Paul Family Project. Limited partnership. Owner of Jackson Street Village Project located at 1, 4, 9, 7 Jackson Street and same people and forgiveness of a cure interest district 6.45? Appreciate that. And I know that we have this presentation remember. Had a staff report
last week on the side so headed over the record. And if there's any updates and if not, we'll just go into the action. I know Commissioner Tucker had a hand. Thank you, Chair Johnson commissioners, as you mentioned, this is just an item you received a presentation on last week. Expect for your action today. And staff recommends approval of I will say that while on it. And for something that I still genuinely enjoyed the developers and property managers here with us. Was a really unique opportunity. And so, John, you really super supportive the site Commissioner Nick are that you have any comments from council council vice PRESIDENT Commissioner Kemp thanks to Johnson no additional comments. But as I mentioned last number comes on excuse. Absence wnted to say that she's certainly in support of the project and would have
moved it if she were here. But absent, I people. Every day commissioner maker moves approval of those in favor. Aye. Aye. All the pope's. Favors or opposes resolution is adopted. Item. Number 3 is a staff report. Sr 25 Dash, 6, 6, presentation of Ramsey Cheree slash legislation. think it's so. We atually have an opportunity to hear from him as a county on this item. It was something that I thought I think we've received Email to the mission of communications from. But ultimately this body would have to act on it. So I thought it was important to pay come in and a PRESIDENT With us. And so I'll hand it over to do It certainly thank you. Chair Johnson commissioner says the commissioner, Sean is here and also community economic development director Josh Allison for Manatee
County as well to provide an informational presentation on legislation being proposed answer any questions you have and I kow we'll we'll be happy to follow up if you have additional questions afterward. But there's lots taken let them get started on that presentation. Welcome commissioner. Thank you. And thank you. Chair Johnson commissioners and director knew and thank you for having us back here. And I and Ramsey County commissioner Mai Tai Ci. I represent district much of the east side of Saint Paul. And I've had the honor and privilege of serving as our hr rate. The county's hr a chair for the last 3 years. Now and I here today talk about our economic Development. Authority request that the legislature as well as give you all a report back on where the county has invested with our hr. A lot of the if I also have share with Director Josh Olson from our community economic Development
Department. I have the is there. It is typically voice activated. We should be able to do that by making it voice activated presentation commission Yeah, there. Just a delay in it's just Yes, that's okay. All right. There go. Thank you so much. Again, we're just hghlighting hr a levee history of that and also going to where we have spent and then also our he last year. This is our new board that started, as you all know, our our mission and vision. At the county to ensure that we build a vibrant community where all are valued and thrive. The board also sets mission of making sure that the county excellence is working with you all to enhance our quality of life. I wanted to point to this. This
is available online electronically in a power point, but it all sold. And when you go on, you confess where you can see the full plan of our economic competitive inclusion plan. This was done a few years ago with previous boards, but it is also a plan to help to drive and informed the work of our community and economic development team currently. And they also has this piece where you can also check our progress where we some of our work and also about where we are not fulfilling them quite yet. And so that's why we are also here before you all to support of that. For our housing and redevelopment authority. Lot of the we actually haven't at Levy sense.
We started loving it 2022. And we were the last county in the metro area to levy for Since it's generated about between 11, 13 million last year. It was 13.5 million for for 2025. 13.5 million. And that solicitation process opening up very soon here on Friday as well. And that is where all developers or of of affordable housing can apply for solicitation. Just so you all before we were able to receive permission and or ability to lobby for this, the county received support all of our cities except for the city of North Saint Paul to participate the U.S. Programming and the agreement from the past counsel for the Hre commissioner us was to
ensure that the risk parity between our suburban cities and the city of Saint Paul. And that is something that our staff strive towards for the fifty-fifty spending parity. In addition to that, we are required by statute by state statute to ensure that we receive city support for any of the projects that we recommend for, for for funding. And so so so those programs currently include our affordable housing infrastructure investments, the down payment assistance and also the emerging in diverse developers program. And then I redevelopment program includes critical corridors and bulls planning development and infrastructure as well as a suburban commercial corridor
initiative. Very similar to the commercial corridor program. In addition to that, we also have a site assessment, France. And in 2024 over 5.2 million went to projects located in Saint Paul. These are all projects that are listed here. I also have a comprehensive list hero flick projects that we have funded as well too. But these are programs that were funded. And I'd be happy to take questions. Now, where would you like to take questions afterwards with that section? Commissioner, I will ask our commissioners. There's any questions in the 1st half of the slides that as we continue to go forward shelter, there will be more content around the economic development piece, which the main point of it. So folks accountable, we can move forward, cmmissioner
and wait till the for questions. Okay. Great. And so headed off to director Josh Wilson to go through. The other part of economic competitive inclusion plan of like some of those strategies looking forward and for business programming. It's also very timely, too. Since you are all going to be discussing economic investment strategy later this meeting. Thank you. Commissioners MADAM Chair Commissioners, thank you for having us here. So what we want to talk a little bit about obviously wanted to set the stage a little for talking about the eta because it ties back So we wanted to start there. We've been Commissioner Jean and I've been on a little bit of a road show throughout
throughout county talking hra and how we've they say we collectively invested in projects programs and services that benefit residents throughout the county you know, when we when we've been talked about economic developments. We kind of come right back to our ec. I plan so economic competitiveness and inclusion plan. And I think if you have taken an opportunity to check it out and I really do encourage it. It really strikes the connection point, the connections and the linkages between housing. Business development redevelopment as well as workforce. And that was intentionally done back in 2021. 22 and it was in part because I think what we learned very quickly was investing only in housing
won't get us out of the housing crisis. We we need to find opportunities to invest in the growth of wages. We need to find ways to support business growth and job growth as a way to kind of to fill a promise that we said 2, that you see a plan, but also to demonstrate that these things work together. And when we work together and all of these circles, we really find it. And so I just wanted I call call that few statistics here pulled from it I'm sure no surprise to you. But, you - know, wanting to renters in the county are cost burdened. One in 5 homeowners are cost burdened. When we look at workers, 30% of workers with in Ramsey County are paid less than a living wage. And so that kind of underscores what I said is, you know, in order
to kind of build housing for all, we need to really fulfill and support wage growth. But also this last saw box which is what we will need took opportunity to it and a scan of how Ramsey County stacks up with and just our regional partners and what I mean by regional partners, our other counties like we're competitive like to look at that business starts are lagging behind. Hennepin County has job growth that is higher than Ramsey County and and that bears out and more clearly bears out, even as we do racial and desegregation desegregation. Sorry. Not this aggregation of that data. Very clearly shows that are falling behind in a couple of
important measures. And so as we look at the uci plan, it very clearly shows areas in the tracker that Commissioner John Point out that we Ramsey County as the host of this uci plan have not done enough in several of our strategies. And so why we've been at the state Capitol asking for this legislation is a response to that that that need. Business programming is not necessarily a new thing for Ramsey County. It's definitely an emerging area for And, you know, I think a lot of it started back in 2019 when my predecessor, Kerry Collins assumed a role is and the new director of community Economic development. So we were division, not a direct department at that point. A
couple of those key things that we started a partnership with Metropolitan Consortium of community developers. They've open to business program that supports entrepreneurs and small businesses with direct no cost technical assistance. That is a county wide I would say it tends if I find a lot of with Ramsey County Saint Paul residents in particular, but we don't try to attract necessarily where they're coming from because we know business, especially entrepreneurs at that stage they MAY be seeking. They MAY live in one jurisdiction that MAY be seeking development and another. And so we just literally one of the core attributes of that program is are you do live in Ramsey County? Are working to grow a business and Ramsey County? That's only thing. It's it's
one or the oher this open to business program is certainly something we've seen a lot of growth over the last several years. And then just last year alone, we had well over 150 businesses take advantage of free technical services that equates to about 1000 plus hours of, you know, person to support. The next to that. I want to talk about or Nexon Co now see our provides second stage businesses. These are the businesses that are growing, but they have somewhere around 10, 200 employees and they're probably hitting a wall or ceiling in terms of their growth. And so this is a peer to peer cohort where they get CEOs get to across from one another and work through some some strategies as well as a way to
kind of build their business up. This is a program that has been a partnership with the city of Saint Paul and as well as other regional partners for a number of years. It used to be called economic gardening. This is that new brand name. Ceo nw is a brand new offering that again, a partnership with Hennepin County that was modeled after ceo next and focuses on that earlier stage and so wanted to call that out. Is one thing we learned both Hennepin County in Ramsey County as we were been working on the CEOs next program is that a lot of businesses have the similar attributes and questions around growth, but they don't have 1 employees that they maybe have 5, 4, 8, And so this was an opportunity to kind of build it. We had our first cohort last year 5 of the 6 businesses are from the city of Saint Paul. So we're
very excited about that. I very quickly an attraction side. Ramsey County means business dot com is a Web site. This was something that was established in 2019 as a way to put Ramsey County, the geography, not Ramsey County, the ink, but Ramsey County, the geography on the map as a place to do business. We've heard over time. As we look at the landscape nationally, counties are often a geography that businesses and site selectors look for first before they go to that next stage, which is talking to cities. That particular resource we re told very quickly during the pandemic and it became a very vital resource for businesses, looking for pandemic relief. And then lastly, I want head on I'm happy to come back with
a much deeper presentation on this particular work. But we had received an earmark, a federal earmark couple years ago and we're kicking off this this year. The Ramsey County Reimagination Resource Center. That sounds like it's a physical place. This is I'd like to thank you. The center is a place where things come together, not necessarily a physical location yet, but rather just a recognition that our business community organizations provide a valuable service to our businesses. Sometimes they're an extension of our 2 government entities. But sometimes though, the front lines in terms of where do you go when you want to start a business, you're running into a growing your business, finding employees, cetera. And so our community-based organizations we saw very
clearly during the pandemic that shocks like a pandemic have as much of an impact on them as they do want businesses themselves. And so for really wanting to foster a strengthened ecosystem where business starts kind of start picking up. We have to look at our business community organizations as well. So that particular initiative is centered around that. We're kicking that this next here for this year. Excuse me, Josh commissioner, believe we have a question for Chad Johnson, thank you. Session about that. This center really excited about Sino Rankin County has. Quite a properties across the city around workforce development. So is there a location are ready for the Reimagination Resource Center? MADAM Chair commissioner, but we know that this is not a
physical location at this We are kick starting this process first through and our a fire fest for information. We're we're asking our business support organizations what their niches are, what their challenges are, where maybe they see some opportunities. Again, that center is like kind of bringing this information, more link like linked together. So that businesses can see handoffs happening. If, for example, they come in asking one particular organization. And that organization has less familiarity let's say restaurants and they They can be moved over to particular organization, has a skill set that matches their needs. And so that's kind of the point at this point. I think through conversations, I think there
will be an opportunity to think about how this stuff could a more centralized there's some comparisons I'll just say with reimagination center toll, some activities that the Hennepin County has done, where they've established an online or virtual center. If you're a platform called elevate business. So there's some similarities there, Rick. I think we're different and we're trying to fit a particular gap here. But yeah, it's not a physical location at this point. And Ciaran commissioner, if I can just add to that just for clarification, that's a very similar to what we do. So. So a lot of what they do with the county is they they refer this is other organizations to support organizations. And we do the same. And and we've recently brought some on staff who came from one of those organizations and has a lot of
relationships. So we'll be working with the county. So we're not reinventing the wheel that we're all gathering information about what organization specialize niche us. What what? What are the organizations? We can refer? We you know, we don't have a ton of funding and what we have relationships. And that's the same with the county. We have relationships with the county and with other organizations who do provide technical assistance or landing. And so they're actually doing very similar to what to what we do in to what we'll continue to do and will will be partnering up on this effort so that we don't that we don't step on each other, reinvent the wheel. moving towards our legislative request and just given the information that you
all have received about, we are our economic programming is. we're we would like to go last year we before legislation, which is for the Economic Development Authority Ramsey County, again, is the only county that doesn't have economic development arm. And we would be also the last one to be able to get it to where as other counties in the metro here community development authorities and or economic development authority is this year we receive assists senator her as well as Representatives. Leslie on the East side. This requests seeking for our ability to use our hre levy towards economic
programming. And this what again, spport diversified industries, communities and emerging entrepreneurs. Also with feedback from our cities last year they we made sure to include in legislation that cities would have the choice to opt into this type of programming. So if they do not opt into this programming, housing programming, current ones that we have, what just still aplies. And in to this the let a statute was still applies, we would still need city support for any type of projects get supported through this. So those cities that have express support to date are Rolesville Shoreview Lauderdale Falcon Heights and like the lake they submitted
both letters of support and or official action from their counsel for this. And just clarify again, is that support would have to come raise the city's just clarity there and acting into the programming is cities would have to opt in by JULY just for like taxing purposes of like what? Being able to tax be able to like opted to the programming for the following year. Commissioner John, yet I get a chance to review the if you can. We ask questions and I'm just just want to clarify its JUNE or JULY for when the bodies would have to opt in or opt out Tiller this year, So it's JULY first, yet. And also just depending how the legislature's timing moves, we MAY likely ask for participation by JULY of next year so that we can start programming for the following
year. So it did 2027 instead. Okay. Twenty-twenty tax levy would not necessarily be impacted this year. Regardless of how it goes for the state legislature, it'll stay housing. No, just I haven't understand claim credit. So if it passes through the legislature this year, we won't rush cities to take official action until next year, JULY 2026. And commissioner, that there would be no change in the levee. And it just being the way that they use lucky that they already have established. Thank you for that doing. And again, this request, just asking for flexibility in our hre funding, along with our city partners and the priorities, as you see fit. Our initial plan is really
just about 2 million of jury levy that would go towards business programming. And again on a geographic parity of our hre levy spending still remains. Any other questions. And then, of course, the ask on right now. The bill and that Senate omnibus Bill and they would need to conference and figure that out. But, you know, of course, getting a letter of support from our city's what encourage them to keep it in mind as they have those deliberations that that's why we are here before you all asking for a letter of support. Thank you, Commissioner. I think that some of the biggest things like my biggest questions for this is really just kind of understand, kind of become the back in. I slide with percentage breakdowns like that just
talks about like how the Levy is currently used. I think it's like spy. 5 or 6. That could you just share like how you envision the percentage is changing if this were to be passed and also that there will be any changes to a geographic spending parity agreement that's in If we do transition. So well, that's still be that 50% of the total of will be used in Saint Paul. And then if so, how does that translate for our city? Even it comes to the percentages of economic development in this case, free development could you share kind of like what those? But that would look like as it relates to our city. So myself and commissioners are can understand just kind of like. 13.5 million will go You know, 50% of that. Would that be the same still? And it's just that that money now can be also used for economic development. And how much are dissipating spending? Yeah, I all start off with a visual
of what we can imagine is just our current hr levees, the pie, right. Half of it right now is given to the city of Saint Paul. Half of it is to our suburban city is. What then that if the city say Paul doesn't want to participate in the economic develop programming, 50% of or in this case 100% of your portion, there would remain and go towards our current programming here right? But if you do choose to participate, that I would say we're looking at one or 2, 2%. So 2 million out of the full total around that 30 to 50 million dollars. So I hope that answers that. But also defected director. Also here to add on to too. Yeah, MADAM Chair
Commissioners, I think. What you would expect to see is if all communities were to opt in. There would be a reduction in the housing number and maybe even a little bit of the redevelopment number 2, it balance out with the business. I I will say because of the flexibility that we gain through create, you know, through the housing sales tax, we've actually seen not a reduction in the dollars going towards affordable housing infrastructure. Just a change in the percentage is. I think one thing I want to just I missed an opportunity to mention earlier, just to kind of pinpoint an example that we have it within our existing portfolio. Programming is are emerging. A diverse developer
program. I view this program is actually a business development program and economic development program more than necessarily housing program, I part in part because it's a two-part process. One I it is a little bit of supplying a merge interest. Developers with new technical tools, education as a way to support their business and their growth how we win it. kind of categorize it is on the housing side is because the majority of the money goes affordable housing projects. At the end. And that makes up the lion's share of that program. And so that's just an example of where we've been able to kind of blend the lines because it's meets centers around affordable housing. But, you know, as we think about these other areas around workforce development, business development, that line becomes a lot less Bullard. And it looks very much like an economic
development t kind of get back to the point. I think the question was, you know, we anticipate about 15% of the 15, 13.5 million or thereabouts going towards business programming but will need to lobby and asked this question of all of our jurisdictions if they choose to stay want that have full flexibility and blend. So we have 19 jurisdictions will have to ask this question that MAY change all of this calculus. It's it's a fun little problem that we have in front of provided that the legislation gets passed. Thank you. And I see Commissioner Nick and then commissioner, you. Thanks so much. Chair at the way. I understand this program. It's either. All the money goes to affordable housing or some of that goes to affordable housing in some of the coast economic development to to your questions now Johnson and I, you know, super support of affordable housing economic
development. I think we could probably use all of the dollars for either of those 2 things. And we would still have plenty of need left. So to me, theoretically, this make what I keep coming back to which I know I've asked both of you before relates to the amount of say that the jury in the city have over how the economic development dollars are spent affordable housing, you know, and I know we've been partnering so far, but I think we all just say more affordable housing is more affordable housing. But when it comes to economic development, there's so many different types of things. One can do. And given that. We have a lot of needs and Ramsey County is not a large county and same has a lot of economic development challenges aead. I think we really need to be strategic and not just sort of all be doing slightly different economic development
things. But the moving in the same direction we're about to talk about an economic development strategy that will releasing rfp for for the city as a whole that might have strategies that we want help with from the county's a trace. So I guess what I keep coming back to is how much say will the city have over how those dollars are used and and how will that? How specifically will that say be give? Just Yeah, MADAM Chair Commissioner Nick I mean, I want to follow up on Commissioner John said at the beginning, which we select projects without your approval. So those projects that have come to us through competitive solicitations are projects that you all have have teamed you know, a worthy of getting funding. And that's a requirement for our statute.
So we do require that and we would expect the same as we kind of look towards the future on the economic development side. You know, this MAY be a little bit different where it MAY not be always project based in maybe program based in the case of like opened a business, which is a program that serves the entire county you know, we we look and we evaluate it yearly about its performance and how it's doing and whether it's serving the intended purpose. And so I think we would approach that as we've approached things in the past. Is evaluating those programs for what it how they're working and how they're working In conformance with our dc I plan, which is very clear about how we
shouldn't vast and how we should support businesses within particular communities, but also as county as a whole. With politics. Thank you, MISTER Olson. And I know we have a whole year to figure this out. So we've we've got plenty of time. But that is specifically what I'm asking about. I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of it's different it's a program versus a project. And I I really appreciate the value that all of these programs bring. But what we hear from our business owners, I'm sure you hear the same thing as what they need more than anything else is. And none of these are giving money. And again, I come back to will these dollars just be funneled into these programs and start of the Saint? Paul participants kind of get filled to the city side of the new da dollars or do we have the opportunity to say
actually, you know, we don't want our dollars to go into open to business. We'd like them to go into x. So that's really what I want to sure we can figure out before we take action on this new year. I appreciate Commissioner Nick I will take that also went back to you because I think that they'll be other conversations as well with our Putin economic development team, but also just hear the table to something that I also just care a lot about as well since we have to be able opt in or opt out. I think the involvement of this body and to how the city is able to utilize our be a part of that process is really important. And Ithink it'll be very helpful to like the ultimate pathway of getting us to opt in or opt out for sure. Commissioner. Yeah. And the commissioner provides key thanks, Chair Johnson. Why first want to say thank you all so much for your presentation. As a teacher, a commissioner in cause number.
This is. They first official presentation or an Easter break have gotten about the Legislature class and just wanted to share over. I am very supportive of it. I especially really appreciate the slide that you have here at number 10, staying the course. And you talked about how building housing more housing isn't just that we need more housing. But there's just so many different factors that are the intersection to the success of that from the workforce development to the small business support. And I completely agree with that. And the reason why this really just struck me is because really do see we are living in a time where there's so much constrains just around housing development overall and to. And me, I know the one
thing hear a lot is, well, how can we expand the tool box so that we can build more housing in like a really believe that this is a pathway to doing that. And so I'm really hopeful about this. Yes, I wish you all success in the legislative request mean he gave brief status update on where it's at right now and say I would love to just stay in the loop about that. And I do the things that commissioner Ni Kersh shared a mean. One thing. We talk aout the table here, a lot is how we can make sure we're not duplicating our programming and just being really strategic about where we put money. And so that's what I would be iterested in hearing more about rollout. Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner provides good. Thanks Johnson just want to
echo many of the points that Commissioner Yang made as well. I'm trying to supportive. I just really want to Name how regional both of these challenges are for us. You know, one word for it. Folks can't find a home or cancer to business. They might drift north and the Roseville Falcon Heights, Lauderdale, whatever the same way. You Commissioner Yanks district to make going to make whatever you know it. So I just really appreciate the partnership that that's going on between the staffs and to name commissioner makers point, I think as long as there's that coordination and communication to make sre we're benefiting from sort of that, I think that gives me the comfortability and just want to name that. This added flexibility to have more dollars that can go into economic development is just a I think it just it matters so
much. We these local businesses are what makes are what make our neighborhoods thrive. There drugs, people and there's what keep people here. And so also just want to name. It really is in some ways to me, very simple decision of, you know, try to leave Levy was created before the Metro Housing sales tax came through. Now it exists. We can just acknowledge that that funding stream exists and that adjuster funding streams and actually to commissioner makers point about the sort what ae some I mean, which is painfully true. The one pece I would support that the businesses they talked obviously, you know, even the difference in a grant and loan, they're like, oh, my GOD could another So can't even talk about it. But the the one programmatic piece I have
heard some what of is as we create sort of citywide ordinances that really matter. Values like earned second safe and all these things I have heard from some small businesses that sort of the upswing of those and ramping into those is something where I don't know if they're really asking for technical expertise, but even just sort of. Almost like a service partnership of like we're not Walmart. We don't have a corporate hr department that can just implement a new rule. And we have these this people power. So I will name that is a research question. But also might be a program question. But I I would appreciate and a follow-up to ask more about these programs to just the the resources the county has that we can be pointing folks to 2 as well. That's something I feel like. I have never done a
fantastic job of Resonator now is a member. So just naming very supportive. Been curious to learn more because I appreciate the thought and the coordination going on. Yet, but they're making other any other questions from the body. I think that one of the things that would be for us to also to share is like for some of the programs I noticed. One of the things that come up with this too is there's an interest as well. And just kind of being in the know what, what are some of the things that you guys are thinking about? I know here on the east side when I get conversations from this is my ward are throughout the region. You know, I'm hearing
all things about Eastside real estate development strategy. And one of the biggest things that we have right now is trying acquire property and get some of our black and brown businesses that occupy the east side have stayed on the side for a long time and to actually be able t utilize. They're built their building. Infrastructure is an economic engine for their families. They've invested a ton of equity and they don't see because I don't own the buildings. And so as you think about economic development, I strongly encourage you to also think about the tenants that are and the business states that do not own. Physical location. Especially as they go into some of the places that they see. And I think what you're hearing to was like, there's a general understanding of
like. Economic development is incredibly important to our city. We understand we're investing in our strategies were hoping to be able to implement those at least in the city. So I don't know how else all the other of the 19 jurisdictions, not sure how the other 18 or have economic development for their city. But I think that the city of Saint Paul definitely has a little bit direct approach to it. That MAY result. And really thinking outside the box for what that could look like as far as the county's investment and the city of Saint Paul. And it MAY look different then some of our other jurisdiction partners. And I think it be really great to have a continuation of this, especially as it goes through the session and as you hear from it, how updates are coming through in, especially if we have some time to talk
about. I think it would be really great for you all to actually come back to this body to talk about. If there's any follow up questions when it relates to like it being a support or, you know, kind of knowing whether it will pan out for the session, I think really does. You know, really, I guess dictates whether or not we have to do anything. I think for clarification. Opting in or opting out is annual opt in or opt out process. If you opt in wants to you. Is that good if you opt out one year, can you opt in the next just from a technical once specifically would be be opting in one year or would this one-time opt It's a great question. we checked in with their
attorneys on They can answer that question. There there's definitely an opportunity for you. Top 10 in an opt out. This is not an opt-in forever. There is a time component to the ad and so I can certainly come back to you with clarity around that. It MAY be it MAY be not as simple to say. We're opting in now and then popped out and then it's the next 6 months later term, maybe a little bit of a wind down or wind up, depending on which direction that I think there's that. I mean, I think it's part certainly in my position and I think speak on behalf of commissioners on here for a moment. Just always a risky proposition, speak for my elected chair. But to just say, that's, you know, we want
to be back here articulate how the injury has been continuing to be spent. And we've heard that loud and clear. You are not the only council who has asked that same question. And so I think we've heard that certainly we heard that as we attempted this legislation last year and we've taken that to heart. And I epect, you know, whether we're in a legislative ask place next year or not, we're going to back. You're talking about how sure it gets spent, how it is distributed, what kinds of projects and residents are benefiting. What is the impact? And so I think that I'm ready to come back and at that on to my yearly calendar to combat. How many thank you. Chair Johnson. I don't have any questions, but I just want to
I just like highlight how I'm so impressed, particularly the growth emerging developers program actually had a chance to be part like the first inaugural cohort. That was when I think Jericho, who was the one of the huse and directors are part of the hra team or excuse me, housing development team spearhead in design. That program had Todd from list. I believe. Are you a lie as well, too. So I I it's been very unapologetic that you know, promote it, support it. I want to see it grow, but also like sure, Johnson had mentioned many of us want to see improvements I know from my personal experience going through it like I was a COUNCILMAN Are just trying to see where the council played a role. It's very technical, particularly
around like the capital stack, you know, understanding how much it cost to build. I totally understand that. But particularly I want to see improvements probably already have had that, but at least get some updates around where we can grow a stronger partnership on between the city, particularly around like Dsi and some of the regulations because bill has as much as we are encouraging developers to be successful. You know, it is a very complicated and complex, you process, knowing all the different things, whether a building is in a vacant building program. You know whether or you know, there's like certain type of cold and I and you know, that was some of the things I kind of saw.
That were missing components. So, you know, as we're going to continue having these conversations, I'm really excited to learn more about not only like the projects, but really like those programs that are building and diversifying our wealth. And also diversifying our investments in our city. What I really love about the atd program is that we have people who are like building for us by And often when we think about these developments, we know we often think of people outside dollars. So it's really fascinating that we are really growing here in Saint network of developers who are really wanting to make sure they're investing here in
Saint Paul. Thank you, Commissioner Billie and we have a couple other presentations today socket headed back to just to wrap us up. And if folks have questions. director center of all sent to college today. Text email. You Commissioner John just wondering where we direct our questions. All right. So will reach out to director also they have questions just around this as well. And I'm sure direction can also be able to be that connection point for us think you thank you so much. Johnson and commissioners director new and it's been such a humbling experience going out to all of our cities and having such an open dialogue about the work that we're doing together. I when I started, I kept throwing around the number of
50,000 units of a deeply affordable housing units that Ramsey County was missing. And when I checked in with our staff, like, are we making a dent making a dent? Well, we actually don't know, because as we are adding new nets of deeply affordable housing units, the income levels of so many of our residents are still not increasing rate, sold more and more cost burden. I know you know this too. And I see that, you know, affordable housing is on the scene, said the Queen as economic development for businesses, especially on the East side. 2, as we have known from our East side funders, collaborative and also our eastside groups to know that the investment on the East side hasn't been there
economic development as well. So these are all values and sentiments that I share with you all too. And also reassurance again that, you know, the work that we're doing here, take out there that its in state statute that requires us to partner with one another. And for us to get city support. And in fact, I believe they say council support. So I just want to reassure you all on that and signing onto a letter of support doesn't mean that you will opt signing the letter of support today just means that you are supporting this legislation and what you can have an opportunity to opt in and choose to do that by next year. So thank you so much. Thank you. Enough. That's of interest to I just I think kind of share with me. I'm trying to gauge a swell where commissioner stand on
the item because I think that I think of a chance to review the letters and the resolutions that were added at this time. The city is not one of those. And she is. So if that's of interest to you we're are in agreement there have no problem bringing that forward with the Thank you so much, Commissioner. Thank you. Item number 4 is a staff report sr 25 Dash 6, 7, presentation on draft scope for citywide economic development strategy. Thank you all. We a couple positions that are left for today, but just so people do not rate than that, All worry. We have the ability to over items the 7th. So we'll take our time on all of these and important There's never too much to go around. So looking forward to. To hearing the pain from that update us. Well, Director Newton.
Thank you. Chair Johnson commissioners and think Joshan Commissioner John and we really, really close. And this I have had a lot of questions to that legislation. I can talk to more about it, too, as well and continue to work with with Josh commissioner to get all your questions answered. And it does relate to what we're doing and what what what what budgeted for in regard to our economic development strategy and also the work that we already do. As I mentioned, we we really worked closely and cordinator When talked to that, the budget that we have for an economic development trip to be a city wide economic development strategy in and kind of help paint the picture of what that look like. And it's not something that I think we've really done clearly in Saint Paul, the
last economic development strategy that was done in 2016 was very specifically around a few initiatives. And this is really more broad. Look at our at the state of you know, economic health in our city, similar what Commissioner John mention 2 before I get into this, I want let you all know and I think mentioned it before, but she mentioned sort of the shortage of housing units, at certain levels of affordability. And that's a little bit hard to sort comprehend that we're working with the Federal Reserve Bank Minneapolis and a group that their housing group to put together a dashboard that was kind be able to give you at least annually a picture of that. A resident's income levels versus the sort of cost of rent. And it's it's not so
much that we need to build 15,000 units of housing at 30% mites that the incomes don't match housing stock. Right? So it's we want to be able to give you state of our housing situation in Saint Paul is x and like how that how people are cost burdened and and how we can kind of impact that and just said checking for me to remind you that their letters related to affordable housing, there is no way that we could ever throw enough money at housing to mke it affordable to everyone. But we can we can pull different levers, right? We can make income we can work towards higher incomes. We can work towards and you stills
training. We can work towards Commissioner for Watzke will like transportation options. If you don't have to spend $800 a month on a car and insurance gas and parking, you can afford housing. Right? So it's that kind alternative modes of transportation impact housing, affordability. All of that is economic development. You know, so it's it's big and it's complicated and overlaps. But so for this, this project. We will be looking for consultant and there are several who very good at this to look at a city like economic development strategy to advance the future of our residents, businesses and nonprofits and grow our tax base and our economic wealth in general. In general, the scope include an in-depth analysis our city's economy, focusing on the identification of key opportunities and
threats associated with the city's current economic advantages in long-term sustainability, develop a focused plan emphasizes equity and in person and includes implementable strategies fr growing our city's economic base. And then recca not recommended goals for strengthening and building our economy. With strategies, tactics, guidelines and timelines for achieving those goals. So so essentially where are we? What is our current economic base? Which direction should we Where the opportunities for the expansion of that economic base and what can we do to more fully share the benefits of economic growth and how do we get there? That will be the strategies outlined in the report. I talk a little bit about some of the existing conditions just Director Wilson talked about some of these as well. In addition, these are this is not including the challenges facing our downtown and and most and towns because we talk about those a lot. So wanted to highlight some of the
things. We recently began, sending street projects impacts with sales tax in the city, which not something we've done but we don't employ any retail attraction strategy. Cities who depend on sales tax often you very deliberate about attracting retail. We haven't done that because we haven't been dependent on sales tax. But now we are. We need to know. How much retail were leaking to the suburbs and like how to put it. We do where some strategic retail sites that we want to. We want to attract people from Woodbury in Maplewood, another Roseville and instead of our our our sales tax going there. So things like that needed investments in our public realm and high property taxes are among things we hear from prospective retailers. We need to look at those things. If win, we can't fill a space on Grand Avenue because the
prospective tenant comes and says they cited. Good to me and my property taxes make my rent too high. We have to talk about that because then they just go to another city right to a suburb where they don't have those issues. These are things we don't like to talk about that. This this is the situation, right? So we have to name those challenges. Afternoon, nice had a question. Commissioner, certain maker that came up, i think on the last slide. But want it. So before you get too far into this, what I want to thank you, Chair Johnson and sorry. I kow you're on a roll director. Just wanted to it on that previous slide. To sort of frame all of this. What is the timeframe of the plan of the strategy that are looking for? Because I think that, you know, if it's at a three-year time horizon, a 5 year 10
present that really affects what strategies are and what the challenge is opportunities are that are being looked at. Chair commissioner, that's a good question. And as we look at the strategy, what what Linda will end up with near-term strategies. What are the things that are low hanging fruit and then things that we need to set up some sort of infrastructure policy infrastructure for And then where the it's the 10 year kind of horizon. So consultant who does this work will look at our situation in our opportunities and they will lay what coming. Can we jump on quickly in and partner with us or other organizations are? What are we already have in place that we can kept the lesson and then sort of lay out near and longer term strategies for us, ok, could follow by. I would really encourage us to have. In addition, Erin Long haven't haven't. Targeted timeline in mind
just because I think it strategic plan always benefits from people understanding and the consultant understanding how far afield they should forecasting. Also, I think it helps us know when we need to do another. Absolutely. Chair I and commissioner here you're saying I tink we probably be looking at in terms of immediate 3, 5 year probably would be sort of like a 5 year strategy in my head. Just based on those efforts on in the past that that certainly I am here today to tell you what we're thinking and together your input. So we have draft rfp right now, but I love to hear your input. That's why we're here today. So that's excellent question thanks asking. Approximately 22% of his own land in Saint Paul as property tax exemption. You all know this. We have government buildings, colleges, universities, hospitals, places of worship.
And that's just a thing that we we need to think that so so these are just things that will be pointing out to the consultant and tey'll be looking at potential strategies around some of those things. Some of land that is city-owned county in dot owned is the low hanging fruit there around getting those things develop to nature. There are other things that can be done with that in those areas. You all know tat arena in our convention center complex generate a huge amount of economic impact annually. And you know that the facilities, 25 yars old and in need of renovation, this is something that we're actively seeking funding from the But it's something that when i when I listen existing
conditions, that's because these are the things I will be sharing with the consultant. So looking at all of that sort of current situation that we're in. So I just listed some of these for them to be on the top of your mind. To impose using population that our region is not. So that's something that we need to look at. Our housing production has decreased and says increase, even as we've eliminated parking minimums, eliminate exclusionary, single-family zoning and enacted policies to facilitate the construction of accessory dwelling units. And so those are things that the consultants will want to look at. Our eviction rates are historically high at the same time, our existing affordable housing developments are experiencing very high levels of nonpayment of rent. And so there was this, you know, the eviction moratoriums. And
there's all those dynamics, those same properties are experiencing Phiri steep increases in insurance and other operating costs, which introduces risk of those properties going into foreclosure. So these again and I and a little bit like a doomsayers. But I'm pointing out for the challenges that need to be addressed that are broader than kind of some of the things that we look at on a day-to-day basis. We do a pilot program for emergency rent assistance to prevent evictions. And in our 2025 budget, as you know, 20 at some of those things that I will share that we will share with consultants. And that's we're proud of and things that we are doing to address things, but that these are the
things we need to think about. And as you know, several of our major mixed use developments have stalled are struggling that we're starting to see some signs of advancement in United Village Highland Ridge in height. So but we do hear from developers and investors that our regulatory environment and our permitting process challenging and complicated and slow and that the capital markets are are going to other cities because of that. One more page of the few existing conditions is that, as you know, many of our small businesses and commercial corridors are experiencing challenges. So we have seen many new businesses opening across the city as well. And we do have the commercial corridors program as a complement to very popular but heavily overseas over suspect Neighborhood Sar program. And finally, and most
importantly, our region and in our city have very significant racial disparities and economic opportunity. As you know, including disparities in employment, education, attainment homeownership, business ownership, commercial property ownership and oher areas. We have a lot of partner organizations to in in our economic development and would look at the work that we're doing. Sp the Saint Paul Downton Alliance, a Port Authority, Ramsey counties, community and economic development Department visit Saint Paul. All of the organizations that you se here at the bottom of others as a question just so that if you think of any others that I'm not thinking of here in this list, I'd love for you to get back with me on that because we'll you Once we do send our family
start to get a consultant contracted. Want to make sure we're not forgetting any of our partners in economic development. Resources to consider any and consult doing this kind of work for a look at the work that's been done in the in the recent past. So the Aransas County Economic Competitiveness inclusion. Plan is definitely something that would be looking at the downtown investment strategy. A comp plan consolidated plan for head. Researches are small area plans. So again, if there other reports or documents that you think should be considered by the consultant, those this this is started list for you. If there's anything else we want remember that. And I just want to point out pd the economic development team believe the project in the works a
consultant, but the worker involved above all of pd, not just the ad department and several other departments and some of them you might not think of dsi that permitting process. That's the sort of the gateway for businesses and individuals to get things going. And if it's cumbersome or streamlined and I'm not criticizing the department. Most cities have the same challenge. But what are the ways that we can streamline that those efforts in public works the again, the physical infrastructure improves our economic conditions that improves our competitiveness, competitiveness in attracting retail and real estate development. O see police officers, neighborhood safety. All of this department and the work that they do impact our and our ability to to to
create economic development, success of our city. Then just to propose a requirement to this is fairly standard. We would want make sure that the proposals demonstrate an understanding of our economic and community dynamics. They would provide a detailed scope of work and what their methodology with e overview of their experience, including expertise and equity, focused economic development resumes and 11 expanse of their team members and itemized budget with clear breakdown of cost. We approved to exceed amount in the budget that it'll be competitive proposal, right? So we'll have well developed consultants who will provide. This is my scope. This is what our schedule be. This is what we can do and says how much we would charge for that and then contact information on references thinking that this timeline together, you know, MAY 15th for the rfp to the
issue, did JUNE 30th for a submission deadline hoping to have interviews in mid-July and aboard a contract in mid AUGUST and then start the project in SEPTEMBER. First, I anticipate that this probably take by the time it was completely done and we probably 9 months to a year long project. But we would look at the scope and they would provide a schedule. And I I I MAY be stretching that a little bit farther than it needs to be. Share all that. And again, we have I have document that essentially has all of this in it. I served just cut and pasted from the document for you to have a presentation on it. But as you think about it and providing we see that will be finalizing that document to then we can talk about the process for seeking a consultant in, however, before its Happy to
take questions. Thank you. Director Newton. I know I see 2 at the time Commission and current Commissioner. Thanks Johnson. Thanks, starter, Nathan. This is really helpful. I'm glad we have the opportunity. If you early on in the process. The one word that I would that I think summarizes my hopes for this plan that you have on your second page is focused. I recognize that there are lots of different factors that play into our economic development Pass a tease. But I worry that the broader we go, the less detailed will be and I would much rather have a very detailed heavy on tactics, not strategies. Rather than something that's sort of touches on lots of different things. And so just as one example, when you mention size permitting process, I would also at apd in the permitting process, which also sometimes
we hear a slow are saying gate. That alone. I think that's sort of like our own in-house operations could be an entire study and a very detailed one at that. So if we have the capacity to do it all great. But I just want to caution us against trying to bite off too much. Chair commissioner, I appreciate that. And I think in looking at those types of things and when I sort of point out these existing conditions and I imagine in a report, it would be like pointing at like making importance of those things and the impact not streaming lining them so that we're able to prioritize where we internally need to focus our efforts on making things like that better. But I completely here.
Commissioning thanks. Chair Johnson. Well, I really like what I see so far directing it one piece of feedback and wanted to share is te existing condition that I hear over and over from both big and small developers is really about the challenging permitting process. And so I do have interests in making sure the consultant really takes into that getting input from from developers, especially on what exactly they need by its challenging be want to be streamlined to and confident that if we get more details about that and figure out how we can resolve it be really can't get to the heart of bringing in more development to our city. Chair commissioner, that's great point. I want to I want Remind you that we started
some of that work with audit committee last year. We had Baker Tilly does a sort of an initial that budget last. It's like a little bit with the consultant team, but we did get some good work from it. And I don't know if you know this yet. That, too, Anderson, from Dsi is Tony pd and she has deeply in the site plan process and then an encore teams. And one of the things that like for her to focus on is looking at the process that the city not to pd or decide that we're all related. And I think she'll be able it. Give her some time to focus on that internally. And I had I had share that with you. I don't so. That's it. That's great news. And I think we're excited to move forward on that. So thank you for
bringing that up. Commissioner, you visit as a follow-up or is that everything ok? Just any other commissioner have any questions on this item. I think initial $0.2 commissioner believes Iran as well on the anything else category of like what to consider. It's just if there are Kerns. I really want us to find about as much as an current existence like latest reports initiatives, studies, investments that have happened citywide. So many of the corridors are testing and some, you know, corridors district councils are investing in the kind of like the outlook for there And I think to Commissioner Eggers Point, right, so many occasions, you'll hear folks talk about one size doesn't fit all communities. And I fundamentally do agree with that sentiment. And yet when we're thinking about a citywide strategy, there are
certain there is overlap. And so I really do think that this report really should focus on those intersections and really talk about the tactics can be employed. Citywide. At the same time being informed by just how some of our neighborhood District Councilor neighborhood. You said punishment, for neighborhood business. See guys that are currently right now. Just like doing similar work. So I would encourage us to get about as much of that from our 17 district councils are, you we have 18 commercial corridors. Don't I'm looking over at Daniela. Don't get out of but we have several commercial corridors that for years, you know, just doing the funding through some thinking about connecting with those on the forefront. So the we have every Britain document for peace have so they can look at it. So it doesn't have
to be so disaggregated by neighborhood of like okay, like hearing this this is what's going hear and it's been kind it there. I think we'll be having a citywide structure really allows us to - know where to invest. Our dollars meant to go be vital for even future discussions. Surrounding partnerships with the county, especially as we're heading into being clear about where the city of Saint Paul is heading from economic development standpoint, Commissioner Billy, thank you, Johnson 6 electric to Just a really short. I really like first for beginning with thinking about this rfp. And this special person who's gonna come in and and deliver and help us get across the finish line with improving economic development for me.
My my advice, what advice or just kind of like no, my priority. So much account. Our commission, a career, but for are solely around improving the user experience, you know, especially now like how we do business is very different. A lot of people do business the know online. They are trying do the research and get all the information that they cn and especially what government that functions and like a analog that could be really hard, not knowing all the different permit applications that knowing where all the different portals are, what they need now for like permitting or zoning. And another thing tat I would really like to see come out of this can sauteing report is really getting our properties prepped and ready to build
like how how is safe Paul design and ready to do business? Because I think even if someone was a common want to invest, there's a lot of things that we need to streamline and improve to even be ready for them. And then like a side note, I really like what you said, particularly around attracting businesses. You know, I serve on the visit. Saint Paul with you councilmember maker and like we're we're always looking at ways to attract concerts and music venues and different. The largest attractions. But, you know, for someone who represents the midway, I'm always looking at what can we attract? They're what new restaurant wants to work in Saint Paul. You know, earlier we had the meeting
about I think it was you Councilmember, Quebec, City of like when travel, we come back. We act as if we can't have what we enjoy it out out of town here in Saint Paul. And I experience that often like there's a restaurant. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I wish just can be insane. Pop. And that is a possibility. But just like, what are those like? What's those steps for someone who has like a dream, a vision idea of wanting to bring businesses say pa and like, how are we prepped and ready to support them? In that venture? So that's a great comments. CHAIRMAN Commissioners and love to just touch on a couple of that to get. It's a real estate funders ahead for And I'll add that to the list. We have a group in our team who a team within pd he's mixed with planning housing and economic development. And we're looking at all of Trent Lott and really looking at the zoning and what the possibilities are there. And so like really fcusing in on
how do we kind of make these ready? And then the retail attraction think is something that we haven't done here, that I have some experience that and that I'm kind of excited about. So I can tell you more about that later. But and so all of those things, that's all great feedback. And I want to talk to more about Thank you. Thank you. Director or we are going to be wrapping up on time So I would encourage folks to also just take a deeper look into the but here's presentation that was sent to you from director noon. If you have feedback. Be sure to let her my last time. It would be more so just never MISS Opportunity to do a study to also provide opportunities to build up your teen. So I look forward to seeing where the recommendations life are, gaps
that we tink are existing within the city to be able to use those later on for leverage, especially around new positions rationale behind their hiring. So I also hope that the hiring personnel pace is a part of this c 2 we do have one more item. We do have to take formal action to lay it over. It's all let me read into the record. Item number 5 is the Africa for 25 65 tax. Increment financing tif update. So as a precursor, this is really important. This is the 3 version of the tif update that we had over Cuesta. Jenny, thank you so much for being here to do tis. I know that we're at time and I want to be able to hear this presentation. So I'm actually going to. Take a motion from Commissioner Bowie to lay this matter over until MAY 7th meeting because we will not be meeting next week. All those
in favor. All those opposed. 6 and favors or opposes sudden be laid over to MAY 7th. And yu know further ado, I'm sorry. If there's discussions about taking the