Roll call. Here. Coleman, cam hre maker Sheriff Johnson. PRESIDENT Cyril absent. Item one number one for discussion is resolution r e s 26 Dash 405, approving the commercial corridor program guidelines citywide. Wonderful. Thank you so much. One of the things I wanted to just take few seconds, a privilege to say going to be back with our body and per se kind. Thank you again to face charges for your continued leadership and holding it down while I was gone. In addition, thank you all for participating in the next 4 items. Each of them are related to guideline changes that we've heard over programs and a series of programs that we've heard over the last
couple weeks I intentially would like for today to be discussion. Several county commissioners have come to us with different questions. We really do appreciate. Your questions here and put your thoughts. So some of the different programs such as Commercial Crridor program guidelines have different scenarios, have things that have floated as it is my tensions. Really have a discussion with you here and also entertain a lot of the different suggestions that are forward because I think this is a part of the process of getting something that we think is responsive to the guidelines that we wanted to see here. So the commercial corridor program, peace had several different scenarios. I'm hoping that folks had a chance to review them. And I wanted to have a chance to I didn't a chance to check in with several of you. And just
some of the initial thoughts none of these were ones that were like, here's a direct pathway for it. But they some that came over and the last week to our office has suggested pathways forward. I will share with you that I think it's really important. Significant to acknowledge that I that these funding sources overall, right? We're not talking about a substantial one substantial amount of money going into any corridor. We're often talking about scenarios that warrant quarters to have less than $100,000. Each. To do what really needs to be done, wich is investing in businesses and investing entire communities in order to be able to once again go back to our original plan for this fund, which was to respond to the needs that we have now. And so with every single scenario, I don't think there's a bad scenario or one
that I would argue is that's a mental to serving our city because all of them would do that in some way, shape or form. So I wanted to just open up the the scenario conversation because I also want to count commissioners to be able to have a chance to talk about the ones that they felt strongly. I've had a chance to touch base with several different folks. And I want to you know, index that we have. The staff has provided the index score that it's an area. One, definitely something that I want to just acknowledge took a lot of time and effort to put forth. And so huge shout out to. To director his team. For it really just taking their diligence to come up with a index score formula that we thought worked well, some of the additional scenarios that
came from the other pieces I will share in transparency something that I'm actually supportive of Well, is the index score option, which has? Actually that in this case, I hate the word removed, but actually does have us have a significant change, its phase $600 per each corridor. But what it does is actually allow the quarters to address the needs of every other place besides 5 million dollars that we're investing in downtown. And so that's one that I thought that was really important to put through a scenario. I also thought it was good suggestion about alternative, but I want to have open conversations about all of them. Several of them were brought forth around the and the qc t. Folks got a chance to to look at each of them. To give their input and their guidance on them. But I wanted to have that discussion and I most likely want to hear feedback from those that are present. It. And if there are
scenarios that we just didn't get a chance to but through in time. Commissioners want to see. So I'll start there and simply say about I think we have a path forward I also think that. Again, none of those some areas where I think submitted in bad faith. I think all of them were submitted with equity in mind. I just think it's really important that we spread our dollars, which is we can. And so looking at this. I don't have a strong presence. So I want to see where the commissioners were, because I think it's important that we have a majority. Commissioner, we thank you. Chair Johnson and welcome back to you. Glad to have you here physically with us as clarifying question. You know, I definitely look forward to the discussion and no. We had I had a chance to connect with other commissioners, but as have a
clarifying question around the index total, there's some of the scenarios that include the total of the index and there's other scenarios that does not. And please excuse me, if this was in the presentation previously, but I just would want to at least hear from either on one of the staff, particularly around. What does the index total actually, how's that formalize in it? There's a scenario that can list from like. From top to down around like power, how we should engage the index total. I welcome a slur against chair. Welcome back. Thank commissioner. But we are you talking flipping through my papers. The scenario that he's in the 2025 scoring method. Except the 4th column that
index total and in so. These are just on a different options to you. So every single one of these does use the index total, except for the one where we removed it highly to use 2025 because we did not use the index 2025. We created it for 2026 0 all of the other scenarios in front of you take into account that index score to give us kind of like the size of the corridor, essentially what that's doing. And then we toggle back and forth with uct acp areas. I thank you. I just a clarifying question I had was just is the index is that around the concentration like what? What are the factors that goes into the insurer? Commissioner, the question. So it's a number of different things. It's linked the corridor density of business density of employees. And I MISS Him once they can
they can Thank can secure second thing. So the score is high and has high concentration high employee high. Lest they can see. I imagine condition. Generally, it is sort of an average of the formula to get there. But think it's fair to say tat that usually means that if a larger corridor more dense with businesses, more dense with employees and probably has more, they can seize the higher the score gets Thank you. Commissioner, thanks, chair welcome appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation. And I think I always I'm grateful for the top of that we put into these programs because really matters. Ive looked at the different scenarios. I would say I not supportive of removing any court or including downtown I think it's first of all, we have a really successful program
here. So when we talked last week, we're talking about and I think making some small tweaks, we started by talking about a cps versus qc tase. But I think after one wildly successful year of this program, there's nothing that indicates to me that massive changes are needed. I think we need to look carefully at some of those designations to make sure that we're making equitable decisions. But to remove any corridor, I think is is unwarranted and and really isn't fair, given that we have needs across all of our partners. I think what equity means in this case is giving more to those who need more, which I think the index score does beautifully. McMaster, customer that we use a cpr ct that to me seems last week like more a matter of
which is the more up to date way of income inequality and poverty and need rather than, you know, really changing which areas would be included. But I'm open to whatever one folks want to go with a map, but I definitely don't support removing any corridor. And I think particular when it comes to downtown, this would be a disinvestment in downtown. And it's very clear that our downtown, as we talked about at this table many, many times, needs every penny. While 5 million dollars may seem like a lot, it's really a fraction of what other cities are investing in their downtowns, tens of millions of dollars in many places 5 million is what we are able to put in. But I think putting in 5 million and taking away 90,000 really seems sort of arbitrary. And again, taking away from an area that really could use a whole lot more.
So. I would really recommend that w make changes that are necessary to this program that we that we feel are really important to keep its successful. But for the most part, it seems like it really worked well last year. And I would advise against making massive changes without a really good reason to do so. Yeah, and I and I appreciate that, too. You know, just and I think I wanted to be a conversation as well and discussion. And I just want to be clear, too, when I see that. You know, last year when this was put into place, we didn't have a 5 million dollar investment in downtown at all. And so when it was put in place at this time, it was an investment that was being shared throughout because that was the investment could afford at this particular time. We investing a significant investment downtown and we are
doing that and the other neighborhood. And I think that that's something that I think is really important. When we talk about equity and we talk about the investments I can add name a million multimillion-dollar program that's going into my ward right now are going into the corridors that are put into place. And I don't think it's a divestment this investment in downtown were significantly putting in 5 Million. That's actually an increase. 2, you know, the spotty increase that investment in downtown with an additional million dollars this year that than what was proposed. And so that is something that I want to just be very clear. The housing and redevelopment authority at this time is using our housing trust fund dollars to invest directly in downtown. And we are doing that with over a
million dollars in funding in order to be able to compensate for the quarter or the downtown vitality, fun in its totality. So the downtown vitality fund that will get to it's fully funded by housing and redevelopment authority dollars. And I think that's why we've allowed that flexibility. But it's if that were to pass today. It's not this side disinvestment downtown. It's invested in downtown actually substantially more than some of these other places, at least from my vantage point as someone who doesn't represent downtown, but represents the city and as a chair, I think it's just really important that I want to make sure the record's clear on just and best we are putting downtown and that just feels a little. Not necessarily a full, accurate picture of our investment so far. Thanks, Sharon. Just to be I mean,
when we adopted the 2026 budget, we adopted the commercial quarters program and we adopted the downtown vitality. Fund is part of that. so the downtown community was expecting the 5 million dollar investment, which to your point is a significant new investment and the commercial corridors program. So at this point, making a change to what was expected in Twenty-twenty 6 is $90,000. Less than what downtown expecting in the budget. So I do recognize that 5 million dollars wonderful. Again, I think downtown needs every penny and more. And I think we've talked many times at this table about how downtown really affects all of our neighborhoods because of its tax base and went downtown is not successful. All of us feel that our neighborhood. So I think it's it's like every other neighborhood, except it also has a significant impact
that other neighborhood stop. Sure do so. And Commissioner Yang and Commissioner Kent. Thank Thanks, Chair Johnson. I also really appreciate the scenarios that our staff developed. They were really easy to follow to think about. And of the framework of our discussion or decision. I am supportive of. It's the first scenario that includes downtown. I'm got supportive of a scenario that would remove downtown. And I'm not supportive of a scenario that would remove some of the quarters based on. Q ctn acp because I think that, you know, again, the commercial quarters program is this is supposed invest in the corridors throughout our entire city. And that's really
important to me with with the money that we we'll be investing in. I also think that we should keep downtown in the program because, you know, I understand like this, you know, new 5 million dollar investment. It's a lot of us for housing development, which is not really which is fantastic, but is very small investment relative to the amount of money money needed to build housing downtown. So it's really just trying to provide a boost for more housing. And then the other part of that is for economic development. And I see the money being used in different ways. I also think that, you know, downtown, I agree that downtown is different than any other corridor, any other ward because of the amount of the amount of property taxes and economic development that it did the that it generates for
entire city is just far any other area. And so to me, that's why I think it's really important that we we continue these investments. It's going to it's going to psitively impact all of our words, which I know we all care a lot about. Making sure that we are providing, you know, long-term stability for property taxes for our city. And I also think about it honestly is a in a way that. You know, downtown has a lot of the the most need. I think right now in terms of the potential impact for our entire city. Think about it in terms of, you know, investing in our infrastructure, our roads because invest in 1, 1, area doesn't mean that should be taking money away from something else. When we know that our roads need all the investment that they can get. And I agree feel that way
about downtown as well. So that's supportive of the first option. Thank Commissioner Jones Commissioner. Yeah. And then Commissioner thanks. Chair Johnson, White who want to his things to the staff who crunched the numbers and meet all these scenarios happened. Okay. How are you all today? I do not know. But you really are the experts here inside commend you for it. You did it in such a short amount of time. And so I really want to thank you because this these across the country actually from the commissioners and saw I got a chance to look at all of the snails and not just me that last week we returning meeting. I was the one who pose the question about downtown. I was asking my colleagues here want you know, give the it was at $90,000. And that's near that. We looked at last. We could do you want to give that to downtown knowing that that we do have those fatality funds
coming in into downtown, which is phenomenal. And I just want him. I would love to see those dollars 22 downtown on an ongoing basis. I know that those are just one time dollars and a win for downtown is a win for everybody. I I do feel strongly about the scenario in which downtown is removed because of those one time that holiday funds and just wanted to share, too, that there are many quarters on this list here that gone through a very know, she was changes like case to y'all have been hearing me talk and as project on that for quite a bit. Now where there are a lot of mishaps that project there are there. Businesses that right now are still needing the harbor. There was a little bit a from the state, but they're still in a mode recovery. And I know that they are definitely still in
recovery. As we you still see horrific operation operation, which was search happening here in our city. And know that that's something you all of the commercial quarters here still are feeling deeply teal. And so with that being said, you know, I just think that for this year I'm comfortable with not having downtown be a part of this, but I would really love to see closer to the end of the year. I wuld say, you know, this time around around this time for next year. We are the where the funds are at 4, but the downturn battalla find like what has been expended and what has have the dollar and use for same thing for for the commercial corridor. Fun to be great to get just I would say the quarterly at minimum, I would say quarterly reports on that. So we also understand that, you know
what's happening with then? Commercial corridors in in our wards to deal. And then that being said, if if there are, let's say like the fatality funds are exhausted and we feel like it's a at a good move to have downtown be. They included in the commercial quarter, corridor funds for next year. I'd be very supportive of that. So just wanted to that with that. I think overall like the scenarios that best fit what I and supportive of it. What it would be, the one where it's this to commercial quarter fund using 2026 index score with downtown corridor removed. Open to hearing everybody's Thank you, Commissioner I appreciate. And again, I really want us to be able to have this discussion because I think it's super vital to
decisions that we make regarding guidelines. So I welcome like all perspectives on it. So by all Means Commissioner Ken. Thank you. I really appreciate the discussion. Also for more time, we talk about this a lot in my predecessor talked about a lot to you you know, I'm really interested in looking at what the equitable distribution of resources, not just for sort of singular things. Look like. So just regardless of how this turns out and just really interested in looking at like. You know, how much investment is made across the city per Warren's like in some of our programs. And because in the last many we brought up in a cultural star and that is mandated by state law right neighborhood star. But where the grants
going out to. And most importantly, I think having more patient capital for some of the organizations that want to apply. You know, councilmember be hosted a information session in your ward. It's something I'm interested in more. So there are some areas of the city that have more experience, right, applying in accessing city resources in there. There's some that are not. And so I think for me kind of bringing up the acp. Question that comes some rain brought up is an attempt to think about how we look or equitably at the resources that we provide. And you know, that being said, do think that I said it right before The dream where I can live in a walkable went down and got the best pad Thai in town at around it. And it picked up a buckets of tax. And so. If there is not support for sort of maybe more an equitable approach, which
sounds like is. And, you know, do we see harmful for areas that are expecting this money to come free through for them? I would be much interest. I would be interested and then more of an equal approach but with an overall focus on the fact that like there are some areas of the city that are able for whatever reason, straddle more money and just to have much more of a thoughtful approach and agnostic Lee. More broadly versus program specific. So i'm interested in kind of hearing more comments from my colleagues, but I think and sitting in those 2 buckets right now, but more. So if if we don't have the support to think Moore equitably in there isn't support, and then I'm just hearing like if I were one of the businesses that - supplied these funds to organizations or if I was one of the organizations that supplying the support to businesses and have made those connections have been telling
folks that this money is coming. I also want to be thoughtful the Holly way, sir, the anticipation of those funds in the projects that could be in the queue and then 100 clarifying question then. And I think councilmember or come by such air, just mention it. But I'm wondering, director man, are you willing to just say like for things about how these are very clearly different flavors of heard like preview from Vice chair toast. But it's something that was brought up last time. And I think just on the record to be good to kind of hear like, what's what's kind of the different flavors of money? And we're here in comparison to the quarter funding fatalities. Anthony. Go ahead check chair commissioner. So this commercial corridor funding
rates really intended for for that corridor, right to really boost everything within the corridor. And that's why the organizations are able to do corridor things. You know, whether be marketing for the quarter to bring people to the court or on the whole. Individual business outreach, but really within that quarter and to draw people a lot of non capital expenses could be eligible uses within the commercial corridor. Finance think that's really key sometimes those 9 capital expenses rally to economic development of the corridor for says a downtown vitality, fun is really intended. Economic development component for those capital expenditures for street level retail. Geared towards increasing the strength of the vibrancy of downtown individual entities and recepients. Coleman and
the commissioner Billy, thank And I will echo all the things know that this was a big lift for the pd staff to get this done in a week. So I really appreciate it and appreciate the conversation today. apologize in advance for the metaphor but to use, as you can probably 6 of this is what I asked for his mind. But that been thinking a lot do we do we make you know, how are we thinking with the downturn question? Which seems like one of the questions that we are waiting. At this moment, thinking about it like when you're sick, you take one aspirin. And that's like 3 hours later. You like that wasn't enough. I should take another aspirin and it's still not enough to cause you not taking about the same time. You don't end up getting as much relief as you might get. And that's a little bit of home cooking. But on time right now that I really
apologize for saying that all out. But it included a very great that tink, you know, we've we've had this table and out in the you at least certainly this is a conversation or having worked for people are talking about really the crisis that is Dr 10 Saint Paul right now. And how much is needed and how it falls on everybody in our city when we don't have a vibrant, thriving downtown and we don't have that economic development. We don't have the growth. Don't have the tax base and how that really ends up paying it. Hey, hitting communities throughout the city. And I think that we all share commitment to revitalizing downtown into crowing our tax base and taking some of the burden off of of community members throughout the city. And to my mind, I think that that is why
keeping the commercial corridor funding for downtown is so central this year to make the big investment with a downtown vitality fund. But not too, then say, ok, we're making this big investment, but now we're going to tweak our investment elsewhere. Sort of see this as a like foot on the gas. Everything we can for downtown right now. Let's really you know it is a trails like these are real dollars. It's not. There's just a quick if we give a nice downtown means we're not getting additional funding elsewhere. It is a hard choice. But I do think that it is the right choice in this moment to give downtown everything. We've got get ourselves to a position where we have the thriving downtown. We have the tax base growth and then in future I think about how do we change up? What are investments look
at this point? Also supportive of option number one, the commercial quarter fund using 26. And where start quarter included. Yet for appreciate continue to your respective ce. Thank you. Commissioner Coleman Commissioner thank you. Chair Genson. I just wanted add to the conversation I'm immune. To be honest with you truly just undecided here. And, you know, my my first response just looking through equity lens and is also representing. Board one which has about. 5 or 6 of these corridors in my in my ward. And I really want it to go with the area of concentrated poverty because when I think about just the compounding issues that many of these corridors face, I was just a series of meetings last week with some of the businesses on University
Avenue that facilitated by Neighborhood Development Center, which is one of the recipients for the University commercial corridor of the things I was taken to consideration was some of these like was mentioned earlier. Some of these corridors are more experience and have the institutions and have organizations that have business associations. While other organizations are literally bootstrapping. And, you know, they MAY not have the capacity, our staff to really help drive and continue economic activity on those corridors. So that's why, you know, if I was to vote on this today, which I I I don't know by Mina, clear position to
feel comfortable a vote for anything else. Just because, you know, I really want to have more more clarity around how these use of funds will actually be like considered across the board. Because I do know as organizations are applying, you know, many of them have a, you know, different uses of funds, right? And I think a lot of those to be taken considerations going to need some more time. And also to the conversation around downtown, you know, my perception is like I don't look at downtown as a corridor at truly look at it as a district. And I know when we're making decisions about
downtown, we have layers of districts in layers of how we are investing in downtown, whether it's a cautious start district, right? That's what generates are. I am start a program or jobs or start program. We have the vitality fun, wich, yu know, I'm so excited. I'm so thankful that our staff has really worked hard to you know, build out that program that we're going to review. And then there's also just downtown as a hub like when I think about just there's sectors in downtown, like lower town, right? I do think, you know, not to create more work, but I do think when we're considering giving, you know, funding to downtown,
there's a lot there's a lot nuance in terms of like, what is that downtown? Because there's Lordstown, there's different. There's like the stadium. There's even I would consider west saying West 7th Street downtown as well. And, you know, I know I'm just kind of like thinking out loud here. But when we take into consideration of like which corridors to actually invest in, I want us to really just makes make sure that all of these corridors are not really cool. If we're talking about downtown downtown's truly a hub like it's a it's a large like jurisdiction and it doesn't even have index total on. And I think that's because it would have been skewed if we were to gauge it. The corridors, which is why, you
know, I don't. I don't know if it's like, I don't know if accurate to say that if we were this commercial corridor wasn't apply to downtown that. Be at. Underfunding downtown just because I think we should treat downtown when it, you know, more attention, which is what te vitality Fund designed to do and what like star Grant is designed to do or, you know, come back to the drawing board around, you know, looking in the downtown area see if there's something more surgical, right, like a lower town. And I'm just throwing that out there. You know, I had no bonus fight, but there on out there in terms of is there area are actual corridor avenue business hub. You know, in downtown that we can focus on just so we make sure that this
money is being well spent. Commissioner, thanks, chair at. Councilmember Commissioner Billy. I think that's that's actually a really good point. And it's something that I've noticed as well with downtown. I think I think there are a number of commercial corridors and downtown that could be called out. And, you know, from Waukesha to Saint Peter to 7th to 5th to Robert, it's such a and I think actually, if if we did that and apply the same score Mtrix that we're using for other corridors downtown with then end up getting you know, probably 4 or 5 times what's proposed here, according to the same metric. So I think actually the fact that we're lumping downtown all together, all of the commercial corridors and downtown actually under under privileges downtown compared to other car doors because we're doing it that way. It sounds like there is some
desire for more time on this. And I think that. You know, this question about downtown being included or not. I really think requires the time for people to consider that I would hate for us to make that decision hastily. And I also think we need to think a little bit about. The optics of that decision as well. I mean, for the this age and our council has been really consistent support for downtown. It's something that I talk about a lot with pride whenever folks asking knows the council united Behind supporting downtown. And it's something that and proud to say we always are and worry a bit about the optics of basically for a few $1000 changed each other car door, making this decision, the headline of which will be that took away close to $100,000 from downtown. Regardless of whether we like it or not. I think that's what the frame
will be. And so if we're going to do that, I would rather that we have time. I think that their downtown stakeholders who didn't know we were making this decision today. I think there's a lot of folks who would like to be able to weigh in on that. And I also think behooves us to take the tme to really make sure we're thinking it through, especially if some of us today are not prepared to make that decision. So if I would move that we lay this over for at least we can to have time that. Okay. There's a motion on the table to move it over for a week by Commissioner Nick or any discussion. Chair Johnson started. Next week. You're not meeting. So be some 25th. Can't cause. We have a 3rd. Yes, we So we did cancel meeting for the 18th. I signed the cancellation from what would you be willing to do it for 2 weeks. Commission it incurs made a
motion to over for 2 weeks. Any discussion Commissioner Kim? Yeah, I'd be supportive of the motion. I think for me it's. As you know, it's been like the word its store 5 sonnets like how does this look just more agnostic Lee and her list to clear on the resources of the city. And so I support the layover for 2 weeks do my part to make sure that I start that conversation. With folks. I know lake of the East side. We talk a lot about life fighting for East Siders. What does that look like? And I'm not saying that I will get that contacts to be granted in this poll. But as a starting point for that conversation is one thing to kind of raise it u. This another thing to something about So looking for kind of like asking for director and I think you'll requests from data from us. But much more as starting
point. Than anything for the conversation that and hoping to that this one certainly starts for me. So I'll support that weekly over. Im also supportive of two-week layover. And part, though, not necessarily because I. I feel like I'm Myra that I need further purity or understanding of what the magnitude of the situation is. And I'll just simply share that. I think I'm fully understanding the magnitude of the situation I think that's been a lot of some of the discussion, especially surrounding. He said businesses. That's why we had a conversation surrounding whether or not operational costs could be used in the tool for economic development and circumstances because that's what actually heard about. And I think unlike some of the conch, some of the commissioners, I've been a little bit more in on several
of the conversations and so wanted to bring that here because agree that I think some stakeholders haven't necessarily brought in for the input. But similarly, too, you know, when we pursued culture, a star changes. We intentially wanted to change it so it could be a citywide discussion. Some say callers weren't brought into that discussion. State legislature very and so there was changes of just like wanting to see more than right. Star dollars. Just go to one designated area. And right now 80% of the cultural start funding goes to one designated area. And s there are some questions around, I think equity that we will have to wrestle with as a body. Sometimes when we choose to do funding of that, the quote, We are equality year and bringing it through every corridor is not necessarily equitable. And so when we do have conversations cp and qc
Uct, I think that's a really valid conversation to have. And it does happen to really fall on places of area, you know, that are in certain words and not others. And I think that's symbolic to the overall. Alignment that we have as a as a as a body The one thing I will say is in the meantime of that layover, I would like to see the actual spending from the 2025 investments from each quarter which quarters right now have been successful when it comes to moving the dollars for 2025, these guidelines do need to be place for that because the agreements have been already side. The money has already been dispersed. And so really getting a chance to see what what has been spent. I think that really goes into
the conversation that we're aiming to have. And so because we have an additional week, I love giving some chance to have the, you know, additional weekend, the sense of additional 2 weeks. Thanks, commissioner. Let's do that in real numbers to budget actuals cause. I think that that helps inform the conversation moving forward. At least for me. It does any other discussion points for the layover motion. Commission and curse. I mentioned just one additional one. I think we had gone back and forth a little bit. I know country and I even just talking today about. pt versus acp and just how that would affect whose how much overlap there is between those 2 designations. And so it was a little bit too soon for staff to be able to do that for today. But I think if we can in the next couple
weeks e boundaries of q ct areas versus acp areas. That would also, I think be helpful for that other part of the conversation that we're having. Absolutely. And I will just simply share that for quarters that did not fall underneath the cusa tea or a c p. Actually, though, the actual one that kind of hints at that and the sun aerials. There are some news that have removed as move scenarios where answered no to both. So if you see end next to them. That actually. Americans, one of the scenarios that is here trying going through my sheets. But there is a scenario actually that outlines if there's a corridor with out to ct or acp overlap, they are given an inferno and they were removed. So that is a scenario that is that we do have as far as like ones that
are not. And you might want to review that. It does. It's more than just downtown and that scenario that is not a part of thank you. Hear it acp. I think that accomplish some of that as well. Commissioner jokes, my circles. He's me. I just have a couple of comments. Before we leave this over of, I I think that the you know, with this program, which, you know, really excited about. I am also just little has ended, tend to make significant changes year-over-year because if we're looking at, being able to check out comes and see how the program is working, just changing anything too much. I'm just gonna be a little bit hesitant to also for and for the other reasons, addition to the other reasons that I mentioned, and then I think, too, that we need to be cognizant its my understanding. The commercial quarters funded through sales
tax is is that right? And so just thinking about that when if where we are going to be discussing removing any corridor from the section and thinking about, you know. How they contribute to sales taxes and then are we choosing to reinvest that money or potentially not invested at all? I think is an important thing to consider. Thank you, Commissioner Dose. All right, thanks Johnson just something to add to the request for the reporting budget to actual last year is if there was a commercial quarter that maybe late, they didn't exhaust their funds because they ran into some sort challenges which people to maybe at that as a side note, too, because I know sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story you saw. I'd be very curious to know that as I look at the numbers. Chair commissioner, we can add context, ok, until? I think directive and the reports I'm receiving OCTOBER,
we're at a point in time so there might be changes to that. That happened between then and the end of end of the year. So a ballot. Thank you. Every all those in full. For the sake of just I'm not so sure how the vote will go out just to call for a roll call. Vote. Joseph. Yes, Kim. Being I Johnson 7 and favors or oppose. This item will be laid over 2 weeks hearing again on MARCH. 25th 2026. Item number 2. This resolution r e s 26 dash 407, resolution amending the Down Payment Assistance program. Guidelines citywide. On the plus side, I didn't actually get receive a lot of feedback on this 5 particular guideline. But I wanted do the same thing as we before, which is that there was room for discussion on it. I we'll take
a motion in this case Commissioner Coleman to approve. But are there any discussion? Commissioner I just had a question. I wasn't able to see it. And the attachment for here. But I know there's a lot of discussion, particularly around the eligibility. those who have lost their property versus those who are displaced and he's even doing some more research with the West Side program. They actually have a report that they produced which bases off of the definition of displacement. I'm just wondering, you know, has there been any changes? Are any adjustments for those guidelines? That's the only thing. you know, I Raised issue it just because there's been tedious conversations, particularly around how this program is
interpreted and who's actually eligible and and it's a much narrow scope of, you know, proving ownership, especially. during a time where institutional systematic racism that that allow for people to have their documentation. Ys are even, you know, the wealth gap being impacted by being displaced, whether you own the property or not. But I I would. I mean, that's the only discussion and I have. That's in I guess if i can make a motion that's going to be able to be voted on today. But I would love to have our staff give a report on what a scenario will look like amend that guideline from loss of property to displacement. And directly to the inheritance fun for Rondo. Okay. And I want to be able
make sure that I'm following the procedure. Usually for didn't. I didn't get a chance to hear from some of the discussion for that. So I did put a motion on table from Commissioner Coleman. If you wanted to withdraw, just want make sure I think it has to be done actually, MR. Okay. Commute there for your motion. It was my understanding that when we receive the presentation, we we were reviewed the guidelines and now abilities. And this been that's been probably like a a year long conversation around those who are eligible isn't just only who were descendants of property owners. Cases goings. The renter conversation. Yes, the The quick guideline changes. Just want to be specific on that.
Yeah, that's the only thing yet. The changes to the guidelines for the round on here. Tons fun. Okay. When their changes. And just so folks know that any bill that we have today. The actual guidelines themselves, we've we've on the change and purrs. The city attorney's guide guidance. Then we would actually vote on approving the guidelines the next week. The next meeting. And so that has been the advice that's been given to me by the city attorney's office. And so that's the part of yeah, that's fine. I'm not saying we have to make a vote right now. I'm calling the question if it's one of the staff members want to come in and present about the changes because we've talked about exhaustively ad we've had served several meetings about
And I'm just no requests. They have some level of report. Are response commissioners desire to make changes on tose guidelines. Okay. So that you're just asking for some question for clarity and there's not a motion on the table. Well, that was my question was, is that do we have to change guidelines be of or is that something that can be adjusted with the? a staff report. I'm take a question from Commissioner Kim and then commission any career. And I will also confer with John just because the city has office specifically told me that if we do make changes to the guidelines, even if it's a small change, would vote on the change versus what's in front of us because the language that's present in front of us would be changing and then we would lane the matter over until the 25th for
a final adoption. Everything that's going to just add, I think I was going to proceed really regurgitate that. But that was understanding. So it's just a clarification of process if that's your intent council. My question is and Commissioner and also hear from Stephen, like where do you mind sharing with where in the guideline that language sits just for our reference. That's looking at like I am looking at the guidelines. I just would like to be directed to the location. So the guidelines is schools eligible in it also 02:00am. For the director who actually oversees and the staff. I welcome them to come and explain this as well. But how is written it says who are directly descended from an ancestor? Yeah, it a grand
parent. Our Grand parent are great grandparent who were displaced due to the construction of I-94 through the community. Are so the change who were who lost property due to the construction. So the lost property is. And Requiring the Ellsberg, those who are eligible will have show proof of losing property. And that is believe verification is through the round of community land trusts. Okay. And just and so sorry. I what's wat page are you on? Like where? Where Lake? I'm. I'm supportive of here in the south. But just can you direct me to the correct section that you're looking
at? So I can follow Director McMahon, if can share terms of like the page for the guidelines. Commissioners in front of me school to get to the exact same at that, essentially, right? It is with regards to home onership. And the reason is for verification and be able to show proof of being their right. And so it's not currently open for those who are renting during the last of that property. And as for verification purposes, and if you know, cousin Sephen come up and provides my contacts and information about that. That's reason before and been something that's been a point of discussion. Again, it's been. Utilizing that way in order to ensure that we're able to show that proof of ownership. Hello Church on to Commissioner Thank you for your question again. So as
mentioned in the presentation, given, I definitely think this is something that we can continue to explore. And I had done some light touches with the folks that operate and utilize the data or have given our partners the data for this program. I think it would be something because we have so many interested parties in especially continuing in the West Side flats portion of the inheritance fund. We would encourage the passage of the guidelines as they are today. And then if we want to continue to expand the inheritance fund, we can do that with another alteration of the guidelines. That's what I would say to that. Commissioner And chair, I just want follow up on this police questions, which which I share. And I think just to
contextualize this a little bit care, we had this conversation where the guidelines were shared. Remember how many weeks ago now, Commissioner Bill and I had some extensive questioning a back and forth about this particular topic. Also, I had asked about the ability to decide when the displacement from the flats happened because there's some questions about that. I think what I'm hearing from staff is we don't answers to those things right now. We want to move ahead with the guidelines we have and we'll figure that out later. But the problem is commission police and we've been talking about these issues for over a year. And so I don't have confidence. I'd like to better confidence and understanding how those issues will be resolved because they don't want to be here next
year. They asked to serve, just approve the guidelines because we can't figure this part out yet. And it's also difficult to go back. I think our constituents and say without a sense of how exactly and when we're going to answer those question. So don't know if you can give us a little bit more. This is one will come back and talk about this. Understand that letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. But I also don't want to just kind of continuously let this. Stretch on into the future. Yes, Channel Christian Acre. I think the best paid password to be probably providing a timeline of when we think we can accomplish like. The first initial here's some possible changes that we could be making. And then in addition to that, how did the which path to commissioners want to be taking? I can say I'm trying to be realistic. Just understanding that the team that is operating these a small and mighty and operating
area at the same time. I would imagine probably within 16 months we could have like that. I can have a timeline to more quickly than that. Obviously. But for the entire scope of pulling together something like a data set, I would imagine it would probably be like 6 to 8 And you have a sense charity commission, any as to how long it would take to get us a tmeline. I can do by the end of the week for you guys. And I think that would be really helpful when it comes to this because I am have a shared last. The last time we talked about tis as well. I think that there's an appetite to be supportive of that change like and we were taken a vote to that today. If that that would be my assumption based off of the feedback that
I've heard from commissioners as well. And so. I'm also gonna make a just to move us along as well. I'm gonna make a motion like this over as well to the 25th pending the are the are the actual request a material? So by the would be great to hear from staff on is a suggested timeline for when that discussion can happen for context. We also had this discussion last year with a runner community land trust and it was brought up then and I think it's it's it is a pretty significant. Point of whether or not we can do something. And if we have the ability and the tools within our and with our current capacity to be able to look at if an individual is renting at the time and displaced, would they be still eligible for it?
And I think that that's a valid question. And we've heard reiterated several to us. All right. So that is my motion. And I am going ask if there's any further discussion. Commissioner, your job and I just want some clarification so over the item for 2 weeks. Does that mean that we're just keeping the guidelines that were adopted from last time for this. Commissioner her excuse me, chair Johnson commissioner Yanks. Yes. So I would say it again. Small mighty team also operating year and we're planning on launching that APRIL 1st. So this program is going to probably be mid to end of APRIL. So we do have some to be able to make alterations to the guidelines waiting on a timeline to be able to vote those so. I don't think and adopting them today
does not mean that we're not opening the program. Okay. Create yet that when that question was just a matter of that rain, understand what's the status of the program right now. So it sounds like APRIL is when you're hoping get a launched Great. Thank And I think that I am what I would like to see, though, coming in from commissioners as well. Just to be helpful to this conversation. And so commissioners or not. Looking through the guidelines is to have the guideline change language that you would like to have in time for this next conversation in partnership with the planning economic development team. That's leaving the programs. I don't necessarily think it doesn't that amendment or change up for success. If they aren't able to have the direct language for commissioners here to review and vote on makes it slightly difficult to
do that. And 47 right at the workshop and right here. And so that would be something that I would also ask for some of the staff spaces just because these for programs are very significant. And so if we know that there's potentially some guideline changes, which is what I'm hearing in this particular situation, room cuts come from Commissioner Bowie. It might be that commissioner, but we MAY want have language that you can present to the spotty for official vote next. The next meeting that we have and I would say the same would probably be a coach for the commercial corridor. Find previously. Think the not to speak for you, but I think it would be great to have the actual language. So people are asking you directly. So Commissioner Chair Johnson and I can speak for itself, but I do appreciate, you know, make
said, in effect, patient, particularly around. What wll be useful for this time? And I now it was my impression that when they presented the guidelines that we were giving feedback, I gave that feedback on record. We've had extensive feedback conversations. I the question that I have particularly around the process. So when we do come back on the 25th because I do have an intention to bring forth this guideline change. And I I definitely can bring forth on that language. But the question I have is with this guideline change, is this a is a silly like is this considered a legal question? Because you had mentioned particularly having the legal authority to make changes to these guidelines is under my impression that we do have that authority. Is this something that now I would
have to work directly with peas attorney on ours is something working directly with the team on just because I think the proposal at the changes that I want to propose for the 25th. I just want to make sure it that I'm directed to the proper staff, you know, so we can make sure that it is in alignment with the programs function. And I'm the question who you would be working with commissioner? Is like if proposing a change to the guideline is a legal change. Should I be? See I working with the operation Operational CHAIRMAN Commissioner, you be working with also been sexually. I'm the attorney assigned to program Rachel is dpd assigned to it. Okay. And are you the author for the Skyline Changers that coming from loan
specialists? Becoming from pd don't have to be approved by cao before. Comes for this party. thank you. I just want to have clarity across the board in terms of should be working Thank you. So we can most likely expect that there is a motion on the table to latest matter over to the 25th. All those in favor. I well, a post. 7 favors post. This item will be laid over to MARCH 25th 2026. Item number 3 is resolution r Yes. 26 Asheboro a resolution amending the emergency rental assistance, Eviction Prevention program line's citywide. All right. Again, with this program, though, commission that we had was around whether or not we
wanted to adjust the cap. So I appreciate commissioners being able to have that discussion with me. Heard very positive feedback. As well around this issue. Wanted to be able to share or even just call for before this motion. If there's any discussion on this item. Scene. Seeing none take a motion from commissioner can to improve all those in favor. All opposed. 7 and favors or oppose. The resolution is adopted. Item. Number 4 is resolution Arias. 26 Dash 409, resolution approving updated guidelines for the tourney business assistance Fund. All right. So this is the downtown fatality fun. I know that when it's listed here, it. appears as the jury
business assistance find that the guidelines and the program name and as well as all the things pertain to downtown vitality. Fun is this item. So just wanted to make sure that folks know what we're referring to here and also for the public and then also just in general. Bing able to discuss this. The one discussion point that I am aware of is the question around nonprofit eligibility. And so I wanted to be able to have folks that there's any discussion on this over on the fund. Our will look to commissioner Ni care as the sponsor. If there's any comment that you want to share before make Thanks, chair. I just say appreciate the discussions happened so far. I know I was one of the folks at last week who is interested in the further conversation about. The for profit versus nonprofit. After further due diligence, I I believe we should move forward with
guidelines as is, I think in particular, we have often nonprofits who are actually doing the redevelopment work. And I don't want to be. In the service of trying to make sure that we are developing economically expanding our tax base, cutting our nose to spite our face. But keeping nonprofit entities who are doing that work from being able to do it. So I think as it currently stands, I comfortable with the the guidelines as proposed. I also had some conversation back and forth with direction Lloyd, about the reimbursement. I appreciate the clarification about that. Really being best way with the most integrity to make sure that the funds are being counted for. So. This point, I'm I'm comfortable with the fund as is. And would move. It as such. Okay. There's a on the table to Thank you for the clarification. Any discussion Commissioner Billy, thank you. Chair Johnson. I just wanted to share it because I think I was the one who brought into
question aound should not profits be eligible. I did have a chance to talk with some of the nonprofit stakeholders. I think it's really important that clarify that the nonprofits that, you know, I do think what should you know, benefit for these funds are downtown development. Corporations are any development. Corporations are cdc's. That is activating retail and economic vitality. I just want to be clear, it's not to exclude non profits. I just want this these funds actually generate more revenue, right and generate to our tax base and attract more people here, too, to spend money downtown. And I just
don't see that to be the case. In other son, aerials, right organizations that do great work rate but aren't contributing to the retail amenities that we so desperately need. And I also just want to just share to the reason why now I feel really strongly about wanting to just, you know, invest in our for profits in our development. Corporations is because on the doors, you know, having conversations where residents, many of them are wanting us as a council to adapt payment in lieu programs, right? We've always have heard entertain the idea of how can we make agreements with our nonprofit organizations are government buildings are universities, our educational buildings. Our church is right. How can they -
have clear indicators that they are contributing right instead of just the mission? So I do want to put on the table and I know haven't had a chance to talk with each of you. I extensively that if we could make a modification to where it's for profit and for development, corporations, ours are actually carving out what exact type of nonprofits, because I do think it would be important for us to be really surgical and terms of how we want these funds to go or how how we want these funds to be invested, particularly in downtown. I opened up for discussion in past. I would accept that mentors, a friendly amendment to add businesses and Tom and corporations. In the interest of getting this approved this that the depar. I think one of the things that I will say that I
do agree with the sentiment around clarified whether or not we mean government institutions or school institutions. And I remember asking for. For that to be added here. But I think it's really important for apd staff to get some clarity when a hearing different things. But they did that. There was a request to specifically have the government exclusions and this education, institution exclusions, in part because I think this one is really important. I am gonna struggle to if we see the scene in Minnesota a beneficiary of these funds because we've allowed nonprofits, you know, not because I have an issue with funding some of our piece of it because they do occupy vast majority of of they do occupy quite a bit of downtown property where they should be able to, you know. I would say invest in their right, their
vitality. And that so I think these funds from places that make them. But I think that's that's really at really important distinction to have. But it's not currently codified. And and the guidelines right now, as it reads. So I don't know. So they know if that would be a question for when it comes to just the specific language. If there's any there isn't any opposition Saturday thing that would be problematic around it. You can change the guidelines and have a vote on that change. If you're accepting it. Wheelchair. Just to clarify, I think if we were to accept accepted commissioner buoys amendment as a friendly amendment. So the guidelines with Henry businesses and development corporations and would exclude. Government see schools any other uses is how understand that your amendment would
create. So talk to your point. I'm going allow for John as well to concur because my Anderson was any changes to amendments had to be laid over. But I just want to make sure we get that distinction. And that was given to me. So want to following the procedures. However, if you've got guidelines on the table and you want to amend men now we don't do wordsmith thing at the table. Have to. Don't want changes. Commissioner Ken, is there a question 30? Sorry? So isn't specific. It must. Is it specific to the type of non profits they are. Just I'm just asking the question because it's about for-profit versus development corporations, 12 corporations commune on profit. And so I just I think having that
distinction is important because I think a lot are nonprofits and so. I think having that clarity of distinction is important because if it's to not include nonprofits, but I my understanding is cdc's our nonprofits. Just so it's it's it's for-profit any development corporation for profit or nonprofit into excluded and the other ones. Is that the language that I'm hearing, I would be supportive of that. But I just I want to make sure that I heard that correctly. Sure. Johnson, yes, commissioner, really thank I think, you know, just hearing from our attorney like even this conversation, I think what I mean, it will be helpful if we can actually land on the boat, but it sounds like let the layover. I do think it's important to to
you know, if we take a step back here because this is another item that we have heard. You know, we've been w review the guidelines. We have expressed on record the guidelines changes that we want to make. We actually requested information. I have not received. And those informations I Rick hot the day of the meeting that we had council, our chair Johnson sharing with you. Now, here's just some of the changes that I wanted to make. And information that was requested that is came to us. I do think it's really important as commissioners when we are requesting for more information to make informed vote. So we aren't just treating this time as wordsmith thing but are actually treating this time with tangible language bring
forth. You know, I I I think we just need to be clear around the procedures and the expectation is for us to have that language ready to adapt. Then that should be something that, you know, pd is coming in prepared and ready to actually support us in as commissioners as we. Are, you know, looking to make these changes to ensure that there's improvements. And we have think the outcomes we want to see. So I do want to support having I for profit. Businesses and then only or maybe that prohibiting nonprofits exempt from development corporations. I think that might be the cleanest way. But I just want to I don't want waste time
here because whatever we come up with, going to have to end having lay it over. Commissioner maker and the Commissioner Kemp, thanks, chair. I just want process question I am also unclear as to whether these are guidelines that are ultimately up to staff to develop and wondering if whether we are, what we are doing here is actually adopting the language of the guidelines in which case, I understand why things would be too late to over a week or what we're doing here is. Approving the updated guidelines and giving. I don't think the resolution itself has the text of the guidelines. Believe attachment. So I'm wondering if we can approve this resolution with guidance to staff. If we agree to update the guidelines which earned attachment as we've discussed today. And so we're proving here is the resolution not. Text of the guidelines. Because in the past we
haven't. We haven't written the guidelines and amended the guidelines themselves at this table. Thank to guidelines as an attachment to the resolution. Resolution is. Authorizing and approving the guidelines that are attached. And if you are to amend those who have to come back to current secondary mission to do that, that's planners. I think tat will just say that the some of the nuance that our office has been doing with and welcome to the party commissioners and part which has I think looking at just the conversation surrounding the guidelines. I appreciate your question. We do approve guidelines and we can change minds at any point. We just have not had a significant level of changes that we stopped my time as chair. Ad so being able to do that and not only the significant level of changes but different messages coming to staff as I do want to take a moment to
just say at least from and that's before my struggles. But I would open the floor for you as well as someone who's been a part of some of the ongoing conversations that feedback that we all received as well for multiple pro. And I see director McMahon, I'm letting the plane. Thank you, Pierre, with me. Looking at things for different programs, we were receiving e-mails or receive receiving different directions from different bodies. And so it was hard to to find where the consensus consensus lied to be able to give the directive to change these guidelines before they got here. And so and I think that that's really important. And I think it will be imperative to moving forward in discussions and something that I'm taking note of as well for future guideline conversations because I understand the urgency of all of these things. And I think the more that we delay it's
really hard to land the plane for So commissioner, any career, I tink the main question I have for you is what the motion that a vote was approve the guidelines as it And that motion was not withdrawn. I'm asking do you want see? But that motion? And if so, then we would have a vote. Yeah, I have accepted the friendly amendment to amend the guidelines to have development corporation specifically called out as a post on nonprofit. So I'm if we need to lead over for 2 weeks to do that, I'm going to do that. Okay. So that the motion that able to prove the guidelines with a friendly amendment to include the language around the about the change of the nonprofit language to include only the development. For corporations.
Lord, thank you I'm going to there's a discussion on that item and then I will move for a vote on that. Commissioner Coleman. Well, thanks for Joe Saint. The commissioner coma. Want to clarify. I think the motion is to live over for 2 weeks now. We have to take a vote on changing the guideline language then we have over. But do we have to have the language before us and the attachment? Right? So I think the motion is just a layover. That was not the most in the committee that everything that's on Okay is Mike, thank you. Make sure just want to kind of that's not the motion that commissioner made. So with respect to what you shared, it's my job to make sure that w cherish is navigating the. So just to be clear, then with the motion be delivered for 2 weeks, adopt language in 2 weeks. And Lee over again. We adopt the language in 2 weeks and vote on it and be done. That's
correct. Move it to All Commissioner Nick or withdraw that motion and moves a two-week layover. Commissioner Coleman, that you still hve any discussion. I do have quick question. Hate to see a question? Just 10% we're not going to on the stand this point. But just understand where we're at with the current guidelines. They specifically say that they include nonprofits. That that would specifically to a 5, 1, c threes. So but include a government etity or school they would not be. But because think that that's the government's tax status is that? But n profit broader than just have a c 3. 5, 1, c threes are are federally taxes not all nonprofit or 5, 1, 2, trees. So there's a distinction between the 2 fronts. Yeah, heart of what we would have to
work out in the language. So that but as it would currently be interpreted, icu include government entities and schools be eligible. I cannot answer that. Technically. Thank you for that clarifying question as well. Commissioner Coleman Commissioner Kim. Yeah, my answer to now. I just wanted to clarify the motion because spoke, I got a little confused about what the motion was, but hear it language does say that the guidelines are connected to this resolution is is contemplated by the island's attached here, too. So it is actually connected and I would support the support that lay the only to adopt the next time. This comes before the body. So with that intention, I would support a layover.
Thank you, Commissioner Kemp. See no further all in favor. The Lee over to clarify for 2 weeks come back to us. On the much the MARCH 25th time. Thank you. All those in favor. Aye. Al oppose. Favors or opposes. V. To the board in 2 weeks on MARCH, 2th 2026. And number 5 is staff report. 26 dash. 38 update on familiar families. Pilot. Reykjavik, man, I realized and I just want acknowledge I did not go back comments. I have to apologize for And it's related to to the item. And so if there is coming us to share, I I just want to say, I'm sorry for not going back to you. Yeah, I was just going to talk a little more about the pretty said. Everyone welcome to week just to, you know, talk from the department
perspective is that what's before you write? Is the board report that to the guidelines and that provides a staff recommendation. So staff recommendation. And the guidelines there and we get a lot of feedback from commissioners and we try our best to make sure that we're providing that additional information. For example, the scenarios and the different funding scenarios for commercial corridor guidelines. I there are specific proposals for changes your point chair to be working with the city attorney's office to have that specific language ready at the next board meeting is what would be really helpful. I think otherwise. You have pd getting all of all of the. The input, the requests for information and again, to provide that information, we try our best to do and ensure that we're doing to always be responsive. But for specific changes that deviate from the staff recommendations put before
you. That's when it makes sense to reach out to the state attorney's office address the specific language back to front their colleagues to see where that consensus is instead of staff trying to reach that consensus, but their status that makes sense. Yeah. And I think that one thing I will ask on the record and I know director bigger was walking out because we did reach the coming in through. So thank you for being patient with us as This will be a brief family. Your family's pilot updates. Optimistic that we'll get there before the council meeting and I want to say that my hope is that council that commissioners don't have to ask more than once for there to be assistance on the language. And so it's not a matter of whether or not staff is in agreement with that change or that the recommendation is in alignment. But if there's interest in that change overall, because I think some
of the things that happens with communication, I know at least from my vantage point, there have been several times when I have also brought in language and recommended changes based off of what I hear. And I's a multiple back and forth communication, multiple back in Port step. And I'd like to alleviate that moving forward. And s part of the reason why did want to bring this publicly and have a guideline conversation so you can experience some of the nuances that we have experienced as chair and this role as well to be able to make sure that when we are looking at bringing for some of your interests as commissioners that we have the cooperation and we have that and we alleviate any back and forth to be able to do that in a way that I think is responsive to that. And so that when the mask is especially over the next 2
weeks, it's clear that there are 3 programs of the 4 that are going to have back and forth language that commissioners are interested in. I support all of them being able to get the language that they need to have an actual conversations running 10 to the guidelines and approving them. So downtown community can be invested in our commercial corridors can funded and as well as folks that are wanting to receive funding in our homeowners assistance program. The only one in our city that can that we can provide from a government entity. Pass us. And so I just want to make sure that we're in alignment there. And I would ask for the for your cooperation for the city attorney's operation and the full cooperation of planning and economic development staff in order to be able to bring that language back and forward knowing that that's the intent of this conversation. So I appreciate
that. Director McMahon. Director Baker, thank for being so patient with us and for waiting. As well as just, you know, just being able to talk to spot for the update your families. The final item will be withdrawn and this one is an item because of the investment that. We plan place initially in this program, a $500,000. Director Baker, thank you for being here. Thanks, Johnson of the Missouri Commission managed take care of the director of the Office Neighborhood Safety have to be here before you to provide a extremely brief presentation. An update about the familiar families pilot. Just to provide some insight. The goal of this presentation will be even overview of the familiar families. Pilot rules between the city and the county and then to talk a little bit about next steps in
time. So the familiar families pilot was ultimately created to be an opportunity to move forward with the very different supportive and also empowering model for families experiencing homelessness. We understand the families, the family members really need to be the driver of those next steps in their success in life. And so the goal of this pile is to really do everything we can to keep those families tgether and focus on intensive wrap-around services to support successful outcomes really tapping in on community resources. So just a tad bit about the pilot is a grant agreement between the
hra and Ramsey County. The program is ultimately designed to really focus on supporting 5 families any given time. Specifically for those who have not been successful in traditional shelters because of multiple complex and persistent needs. And so they have had issues that concerns. And ultimately this pilot is to support and come around it. Have wrapped around services for them. The eligibility of participants include families with a history of 4 plus years. Experience homelessness. And this is Mckinnie been told definition and then families who have been restricted or banned from at least one existing family shelter, Horry county funded hotel program. To delineate rules and responsibilities to the city of Saint Paul on Charlie is providing the
funding in the amount of up to $500,000 to grant county the city's responsibility is to monitor accounts performance of the pilot for Ramsey County is to oversee the implementation of the familiar families. Pilot. The contract services for the pilot program and then ultimately provide on and early. Was and is thank Have Thank you. About that. Thank you. voice activated projector. It just came I apologize. Chair. That's a case that Internet wins American activity once and then for him kind of provide on reporting documentation and updates to the hra. So I hd an opportunity to have some conversations with bills and of is that responsible for this pilot
ultimately would be responsible for this pilot. Ramsey County. And what we do understand now is that this agreement was fully executed and approved during yesterday's Ramsey County Board meeting on And also thank you to chair and those that signed off-year within the city that runs the county will move forward with rfp for services to provide those rep from services for the Within the program. And then JUNE Twenty-twenty 6 is the expected timeframe for the start of the pilot program. I have also not been named as the representative to the Ramsey County. Heading home. Ramsey continuum of and because of that, this is one of the reasons why I'm coming before you to provide this.
Update and just to give program contacts point the plan, especially over Ramsey County housing, stability that's supporting this effort. Jenny Wilkinson, director of housing, stability over at the county and then held there. Atlanta was the co-chair of the Family Shelter Work Group as supporting the heading home Rams. A continuum care has been interest instrumental in vital to the overall kind of thinking of what this pilot will look like. Had extensive conversations with him recently. And so they provided me with an update of next steps, implants. And with that chair, I would entertain any. All right. We're at about 3.20. Will take maybe a question or 2. I just wanted to be able to this update with you I think it's an example of where a lot of collaboration with into it. It seems like, you know, that's can't be
quite captured and forced the heights. But as you'll recall, we actually missed McCoy come in front of us last year to talk about at a time when we were like is it really going to take to JUNE 2026? For implementation and in fact it well. And on top of that, we had a lot of county and city wide conversations and have landed here to there was a lot of collaboration in order to get this in front of the county board yesterday and approved the contract agreement signed. So shout out to the city attorney's Office, the Office of Neighborhood Safety, the Planning Economic Development team as well. And just the mayor's office for killing that and align it with what we originally looking at, making sure that we don't have a situation where the end of the year this money is not where it's supposed to be or
not expended. So this is something that I think it's just couple where we have these programs that potentially now I can go back to heading home. Ramsey continuum of care, vice chair of the body and shared the update for them as they were waiting for this. So it's really important for for that. And I think it will also serve some of our most vulnerable families in Appreciate that. Looking forward to the partnership will come to the city and welcome to the jury. Thank you presenting to us well. And so we do appreciate you setting and being willing for that. Thank you so much. Thank you. Seeing no further business in front of us and I do just want to echo that. Please do with amendments, has quickly as possible as you know them. And I will do my best chair to ensure that we're able to get that
language for to actually be able to have a fair conversation for each. Thank you. We are We need to vote to withdraw the last item. Oh, okay. Item number 6, a staff report 26 Dash 3, 9, update l funding for emergency shelter providers due to the guidance from the city attorney's office. I would make motion to withdraw all those in favor. All opposed. Item is withdrawn. Seeing no further business front of us. We are adjourned.