order the June board of adjustment meeting for the city of St. Pete Beach. If we could all please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. We can have a roll call, please. Member Small present. Vice Chair Garshaw here. Member core here. Member Cosy present. Chair Chase here. We have a quorum. Fantastic. Um we'll start with um swearing in
Jenny. Anyone who will be speaking to the board or making a presentation needs to be sworn in, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the information or factual representation
that you are about to give or present to the board is truthful? Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Moving on to the approval of the agenda. Kristen, are there any changes for today? No, Madam Chair. Does anybody have any concerns? No. All in favor? I
I. Fantastic. Um, now we The second item for today is audience comments. This would be a time if you have anything to share that is not on the agenda today, you'll have an opportunity to speak to an agenda item at that time of review. But if there's something that you'd like to speak on that's not on the agenda, we're happy to hear from you.
All right. Moving forward for the approval of the minutes. Did everybody have a chance to review May's minutes? Any edits, comments? No. Roll call, please. I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes from May 28th, 2025. Second.
Vice Chair Garshaw. Yes. Member Core. Yes. Member Cosy? Yes. Member Small? Yes. Chair Chase? Yes. Motion carries. All right. We just have one action item for today's meeting. Case number 255074. Does um can we review any exparte prior
to the presentation? I drove by the site. None for me. I did a site visit. Yep. Site visit. Brandon. Yes. Good afternoon. Brandon Barry, planner. If we could pull up the PowerPoint.
This is variance case number 2574 for 10720th Avenue. It is a practical difficulty variance. Mark Strovski of Strobble Design Build for Patrick Defor request to construct a new house medium structure that will encroach to 8 feet from the rear property line where 15 ft
is required. This is a variance from land development code section 20.15 particularly from the house medium building type. Here's a listing of exhibits. Staff did notice this hearing. We did not receive any letters for or against the request.
An aerial of the property. It's on the north side of 20th Avenue. It has a zoning of RLM2. That's residential low medium on the future land use map. Uh this property zoning district does allow for multifamily, but
at the lot size, it allows for a single family home, which the applicant is requesting to build. Uh this property is within the pass overlay. Um, it does have standard 20 foot front and rear setbacks based on the underlying zoning district. The
applicant did choose to go through the design review process which makes them eligible for the house medium building type which does have reduced setbacks. The trade-off is that it does go through the design review which they went through earlier this month with the historic preservation board. Uh, the
required rear setback for the house medium building type is 15 ft. They do have an existing setback that encroaches beyond that. Uh they did receive a certificate of appropriateness for the prior historic home back in 2015 uh to add on to the rear of the structure
which made them eligible for a setback of up to 10 ft. Uh they chose to build at 12.3 ft. Um that's not a variance that is a um benefit that comes along with historic structures um when a certificate of appropriateness is
issued. So they were able to take advantage of that at that time. Uh the home has been demolished. They are proposing a new home with a setback on the east side of 8 ft which I'll show in a moment. Uh the applicant had initially applied for a v variance to the front setback
requirement. They are choosing uh to build a structure with a 10-ft front setback that is a byright um permission based on the design review which as I mentioned before they went through earlier this month. They are requesting a rear setback reduction that goes beyond what the historic board can grant
through that design review. As I mentioned before, that is a 15 foot rear setback. They're requesting a rear setback of 8 ft. So, an encroachment of 7 feet. Uh they had gone through that certificate of appropriateness process back in 2015, but that is a benefit that
only extends to historic homes. It's not transferable for a new build. They do have to comply with the land development code standard for the new build. Uh so this is a survey that is showing that ex that well former now uh rear setback the home has been demolished of
12.3 feet and you can see here the site plan proposal. It is a similar footprint to what was um previously on the property. It is a twostory structure as I'll I'll show in a moment and you can see that 8 foot rear setback uh that is one
enclosed level over a carport that extends beyond that 15t rear setback line. Here's a rendering. This is showing the rear looking from the alley. Um, and you can see that encroached portion on the on the left side of the screen.
Here's the floor plan. Again, same footprint. Um, it is showing that office area comprising the 7 foot encroachment beyond the 15t rear setback. And here are some additional renderings of the property as proposed.
Some photographs. the site. This is looking at it from 20th Avenue. Um the home has been demolished. That did go through a certificate of appropriateness process earlier this year and it it was demolished. Uh this is looking from the alleyway at
the rear of the lot toward 20th Avenue. Uh this is looking to the east along that alleyway. Uh you can see here a two-story structure on the east side of the alleyway and one on the west side of the
alleyway. Uh this is these are neighbors to the property um under consideration today. The property was purchased in 2012. Uh the setbacks at the time were stricter than they are currently. In 2017 the city amended amended its code to create
these building types. Uh so the rear setback has been reduced from a underlying zoning district standard of 20 feet to what is now allowed to be 15 feet based on the building type. As I mentioned before the front setback standard has been reduced from 20 to 10 feet which eliminated the need for a
variance because the applicant chose to go through the design review. And I'll cover the second point in a moment. Um staff does find that the applicant has partially justified the request. The direct result of this variance is unlikely to cause any kind of adverse change in the neighborhood. I pointed
out those two neighbor homes. Um in the in the photographs, those have two-story portions of the residence that do encroach closer to the alleyway than the applicant is proposing to build the home. There are two stories. They are of similar scale and mass to the subject home. And actually, the subject home, I
believe, is of a lesser uh living square footage than those homes would be. So the the structure is certainly not out of character. It did go through the design review process. There were a few minor design related items that the historic board had recommended, particularly related to the garage doors
in the front. The applicant has taken those under consideration, but both staff and the board had limited comments on the mass and scale of the structure. I do find it to be in keeping in character with the design standards as well as with the neighboring uh properties.
However, uh staff does request additional testimony from the applicant as to why the 7- foot portion of the building that is proposed to encroach could not be accommodated elsewhere without difficulty. Um staff had pointed out um next to the new outdoor deck on the west side of the structure or
possibly oriented north to south with the deck made a wraparound would appear to eliminate the need for this variance. understanding that the applicant is seeking to comply with the same footprint. That is a benefit that comes along with contributing structures and preservation of historic structures. The
applicant was not able to save the structure. I I know that they looked into doing that, but that is a power that the historic preservation board um maintains as part of their certificate of appropriateness review powers and we would just like to make sure that there is a genuine difficulty in this case
with accommodating the office elsewhere on the site. The applicant should provide this testimony as well as whether any alternative plans have been developed should the variance not be granted. So your motion options are to approve approve with conditions. Staff are not
recommending any conditions. If you were to move on approval for this um you could move to deny or to continue to a date certain this case based on the um standards that the applicant is requesting. I know the applicant and their agent are present. I'm happy to answer any questions. What's the size of
the lot? I believe it's 5,000 square feet. Get back to that. Is it 50 by 100? I believe so. Let me get back to that survey. Yes, 50 by 100 just to make sure I understood. The other twotory homes that
are on the same alleyway encroached further into the alleyway than this home would in terms of thinking about usability of the alleys and the like. Correct. Um there will be they have the power lines at the back. So they will have the radial setbacks for um from the lines per Duke standards, but there are
no easements in the back of the lot or otherwise. So they just have the standard setback. Okay. Madam Chair, I think one thing also to consider and Brandon correct me if I'm incorrect, but those structures at least to the west that is a separate structure. Like it is not an attached it's not attached to the
principal building or the the dwelling. It's actually a detached at least to the west is a garage with an apartment above. So it isn't considered one. Got it. building. There's there's the house and then there's a garage with an
apartment above. Isn't that two structures on this two? That's what that's what I wanted to say that with this it is one single family dwelling one element and to at least to the west if we looked at their survey or the aerial it'll show that it's two individual structures. the neighboring
properties, not the property that we Yes. I just wanted to say those pictures that Brandon referenced, those are also either, you know, contributing and that there is a single family residence in the in the front and then they have the accessory to the back. So, it's not one
structure. It's always okay. So, I just wanted to clarify too there's a lot of setbacks in around you talked about through this presentation. And so number one, you said there is already an approved reduced setback for
the front of the house from by 10 ft, right? Correct. So the 20.15 building type standards allow for that 10 ft in the front based on design review which they have gone through. So they're eligible for that without a variance. So they have taken advantage of that first
10 ft of the front and now off the back there was a reduction from 20 to 15 that took place and now they're looking for a reduction from that 15 to now be down to eight.
Correct. So the the former home was approved. That was a historic structure and it was approved back in 2015 for a rear edition which the historic board without granting a variance is eligible to approve to 10 ft. They took advantage to 12.3 ft. So they that was on the
former structure but unlike a variance it's not transferable because that's specific to the historic structure. The historic structure was is demolished. And now are the homes on the east and the west historic? Yeah, they are on the contributing list I
believe. Yes. So, they're contributing. Not designated, but they are contributing. And have they been in existence prior to the current? Uh, yes. Yes. Standards. Yes. Or and is are they encroaching on the front by their
additional 10 feet on the front? Do you know? Or are we only looking at the back sides? That I don't know. But the variance is only for the rear, right? I'm just curious if when we looked at the whole would there would those homes also be encroaching into the 20 ft on the front? I I haven't checked that.
There were two pictures that you showed of the garage and it looks the two pictures did not look the same. Can you find those pictures that you showed? Yeah. So, if I'm looking at the one in the top left is that the back of the house or the front of the house? That's the front of
the house. And that was so the front of the house, the the driveways got to go over the sidewalk. No, there are no driveways in the front. Um those are for just just a use purpose. And I'm sure the applicant can explain it better than me, but we No, I'm just asking how you get into those those if I'm that one at
the top left. That's the front or the back of the house? That is the front facing 20th Avenue. That's facing 20th Avenue. That is correct. But there will be no driveway access proposed. Those garages are like a facade but design. Oh, they're just a facade. No, they will
be operational, but again, the applicant can probably explain a little bit more. The historic board did have some questions about that. Okay, I'm just looking. So, the one on the picture on the right then that's the rear. Rear, correct?
It just doesn't look the same. Okay, I see. All right. And then at the bottom is which side? That is facing that that the east or the west side. That is the east side. There's an alley there, isn't there?
There is an alley in the rear. Yeah. How do you get to the alley in the rear? Uh, it would be I'll show you on the side plans. I think there's I think there's an alley just to the east of the property as well. No, it would be to the west. The way this way the property
sits, it would be one to the west. There is the alley that runs from 20th to 21st. So the properties here, there's another adjacent property alley going north south and then east west behind the property.
Maybe show the aerial the aerial. Does that help orient you? But there there are two alleys as there are many places in Pasco. There's one on the east and one on the west. Not by that property necessarily, but there are two different alleys. There are it is an interior lot. Yeah, I
know. I know. But there is alley access that the property does currently utilize prior to demolition for rear access. That that alleyway running east to west is heavily used by a lot of those properties in there. I saw
Brandon for the um original historical designation that allowed them to have the 10-ft set back in the rear that they took advantage of the 12 and a half. That's no longer relevant because they had to demolish the structure. Is that correct? They are only now eligible for the front. Correct. It's not like a
variance that typically runs with the land. It's it's specific to the contributing historic structure. So that's been demolished and and they would need to go back for even if they were to go to 15 feet based on the underlying they would need to get a variance for that. So what's what's
shown as a request relative to the building type standard? Okay. Any additional questions for Brandon at this time? So all buildings in this area are subject to a 15t rear setback. Correct. Yes. and then they're subject
to a 20 foot setback with the exception that they go through this design review and then they can be authorized to do a tw 10 foot setback. Correct. So the the option is based on the underlying zoning. So if they were to not go through a design review, the setbacks
would be five on each side, 20 feet in the front and in the rear. Because they went through the design review, they're eligible for the 10, which they will be compliant with. They don't need a variance, and 15 feet in the rear. But because they're encroaching beyond that, they still need a variance above and beyond. So they actually earn the 15 in
in addition in the rear at this point. Correct. Just they want seven more feet. Okay. Correct. Yes. And it's based on the path in which they chose because in that area you can do the overlay or the underlying. But it's great to know if you went to the underlying your envelope
is smaller and to the overlay your envelope is a little bigger. Okay. Thanks Brandon. Would the applicant like to share the case? If you can just state your name and address for the record, please. Mark
Stroeski, uh 705126 Avenue, Treasure Island, Florida. I'm with Strobble Design Build. I'm the contractor and partial designer for this project uh for our owners here. Um, I want to first address um the the question that you had
regarding the um garage doors in the front because we kind of talked about this through the design. Um and and I can let the owners testify a little bit to this as well. Um it's so they can open it up and have use of that front and coming from the beach down the street. Um they tend to come through the
front there rather than the alley. Um so that's the design feature. What you don't see on the drawings and the renderings, uh, those garage doors will actually have islands of vegetation in front of them. Uh, so they're really not going to be exposed from the street that much. There's going to be planter beds
there and trees in the front. And also, as a requirement, uh, around the front edge of the property, there will be a, uh, a garden wall. Um, so that'll be around the whole front and just the opening for the path coming to the house. So, it should be very clear to everybody that those garage doors are
not for traffic to drive in. and there's no curb cuts or anything like that from the street. Helpful. Um so then what I'd like to also address is that this this project is um uh not really something that the clients wanted to do. Uh they kind of have to uh because of the
floods. Um I I was the one that actually we we put that addition on with that first variance in 2015 uh with them and they're in love with their home. Um they had it before they had the kids and everything. So, uh, we added that bedroom on the back and they love the floor plan and, you know, they've lived
with that and they're actually going to be making this their permanent home here, um, coming from Tampa. Um, then the storm hit and we had to do something. Uh, we explored lifting the home, um, just due to the construction of it as this old red brick and everything. Um, we didn't think that the
structure would be able to handle lifting the home, which was a disappointment because they're, like I said, very much in love with the home the way that it is. So, what we tried to do was design a home um that had almost exactly the same floor plan and the same L shape of it to maintain that green
space in the back. Um what you saw there, the the front, the reason why we're 10 ft back, the setback, that's actually just the open porch. The mass of the house itself is still 16 or 17 feet back from the road, which the existing home is 16 ft back from the
road. Uh we're moving forward a little bit to add that porch because now we're going to be 10 to 12 feet up in the air. They wanted to maintain the front entry to the home into the living room and the the front right side of the house. So that's why that porch is on the front
and adds um a little bit of space that we needed to go through the design review to get approved. Um like I said, they they love the footprint of the home. It is almost exactly the same as what the existing historic home is there. We explored many iterations of the floor plan um to move what is
encroaching in the back that we're asking for is actually the master suite with a very small home office for him on the back of it. Uh the home office is the only room that didn't exist in the previous floor plan. Um and like I said as them using this as their primary
residence and living here and now with the children. Um he's on the phone a lot. This required, you know, a little separation from the kids' rooms, a little separation from the great room and everything. And this is why we tried to relocate, maybe put that office on the west side of the property. Um, like
the staff suggested, you know, physically we could do it. Just functionally, it didn't really make sense to do that. That that home office really needs to be separate by the master suite in the backside there. Um, so we tried to shorten that so we didn't have to have as much of a variance or
any at all. But what that does is that master bedroom became so small that you couldn't have a closet, that you couldn't have a bathroom um to kind of achieve that same layout they had before, but with this little extra space. Um so in a nutshell, that's that's why we're here today. If you'd
like to hear from uh the homeowners, they're they're happy to speak on their behalf as well. Do you guys have any questions for the contractor prior to the homeowners? What was the the uh air conditioned space of the old house? Do you know how many square feet? Um
1,500,500 and some change. And this one 1,700. So it's 200 square ft bigger. Correct. And that's part of the reason for the you need this. Uh yeah, that is part of what the office extension is on the back. And
the home I think is about a foot or or so wider um on the width of it just cuz they weren't at the setbacks before with the previous home. uh we're taking advantage of kind of coming right up to the five foot setback on either side. Add a little width to the home.
I've got a quick question. So, did you take into consideration the front setback on the homes to either side? Uh yes, we did. So, the home immediately to the uh to the east of it has the same setback as this well the the home that we demolished the the existing home was.
It's about 15 or 16 ft. Um so the setback of this the the mass of the house will be the same as the house next door to it. It's just the the open second story porch will um come forward from the house next door.
Second story porch. Okay. And then um what about the house on the other side on the uh on the drawings to the to the rendering or not? 18 of 18 in the certificate of completeness and docs or you have it on
your PowerPoint. Yeah. So in the upper left picture there u you go up the front steps and you turn right and go up and that's an 8 foot by uh 12t or so open porch and that's the front door that leads into the house. That that front
porch is what sits in front of uh the mass of the home. And in the bottom left, you can kind of see it a side profile as well. So in this case, the porch will be a little closer to the street than the front of the house to
the east. That's correct. And then what about the house to the west? Um I don't think there is there a house to the west? Uh um I don't know. I'd have to look. They're all about the same. Yeah.
In looking at this view, can you kind of point out where were you exploring without this variance what your direction would be? So, yeah, without the variance, we'd we'd probably have to eliminate the office.
Um, and at that point, um, I'll have to talk with the homeowners about adding if they need to have the office exploring a second story. Uh what we're trying to do is not build the mega mansion there. We're trying to keep what was a one-story home just just a little higher up. Um you know, we certainly without a
variance can can go forward and and add another story to this and get the square footage. Um it's expensive rebuilding a new home. Um they're they love the way that it functioned before. So they're not opting to, you know, maximize the square footage on the on the property,
just just the layout. So what goes under if I'm looking at the picture that's on the right? Yes. What goes under that extension that comes back? I guess that's where the office is. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So, what's underneath that? Underneath it is carport. So, that is uh parking. So,
from the alleyway they can pull in actually tandem two cars. Um so, that's going to actually release. Put in two side by side. No, no. Uh tandem front front to back. Yeah. So that that on the on the right picture when you pull in the back of the house, you can see there is one car parked underneath that
carport, but there's space in front of that as well that'll be open all the way to the main mass of the house. So one car could park outside and one can go underneath unless they want to put both of them underneath. Uh yeah, to be honest, they could fit three cars because there's a garage door in that carport going into the main house. So
you could pull one car all the way into the house and then two cars would still sit underneath the house underneath that carport. So, the picture at the bottom I'm looking at is I'm sorry again. Which side of the house is that? The one on the bottom. Uh that is the uh east side
of the house. It's the east side of the house. And where that looks like grading or something there, that's just for air vent. Yeah, those louvers there because that that's open. That's actually not enclosed. Ventilation. Exactly. So, they want to just, you know, have some privacy but still maintain some air flow and and not
make it look, you know, so closed off with concrete. So, yeah. and and that what you see there, that's that's essentially as far as that car park goes under the house and you can fit two cars front to back in front of that. It makes the backyard feel a little bit more open as well because it's not a
huge lot. They wanted to maintain, you know, the green space and things like that. So, it's like every lot in the historic Pass Girl, they're all they're all something like 50 by 100. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Given the L space, um Yeah. I guess or the L shape that the
implication is to bump out. But I guess what I was expecting was to hear the possibility of I guess widening the L off of the house to give yourself more opportunity. We explored that to have the uh have the addition of some space
for office. We explored that. Um even two, three, four feet. It's it's it's not really enough to reconfigure that to get actual rooms out of it. Um and and we explored putting it where you see on the right side picture where the porch is in the back there, but that is the
great room and the kids bedrooms. And you know, there wasn't really a great spot to put a home office there. Any additional questions for the contract? Thank you so much. Thank you. If the homeowner would like to um present to the board, you're welcome to, but it's certainly not required. And
there was no letters either way. Correct. No, there was no letters, but I know that we have also talked about, you know, what is directly beside both east and west of this property. And I just wanted to bring to light across the street. We do have uh two properties.
One has actually been demolished and another one is to be demolished. I have that demo review um in in my queue. So, and and the fire station on the corner. That is correct. So just for knowledge
sake, you know, the neighborhood is lot of moving parts. Yes. Can you state your name and address if I recogn uh previously 107 20th house, St. Pete Beach? Um I guess I'm open to answer any
questions. I don't really have like a prepared statement. I think the variance comes down to basically the home office. Um we also are a homeschool family, so our two kids are home. Um, I'm on the phone eight hours a day. I do commission based sales. So, just having previously
I worked out of the master bedroom and so there was the bedroom got smaller here. Uh, we had, you know, the addition we did had an exterior laundry room. So, the master bedroom and bathroom, the variance before was for the bathroom. Uh, we kind of had laundry and the office all in the master. And so now
we're taking the laundry room out of that back L, if you will, and putting it to the main part of the house, which gave us a little bit more room. Um, but between the master and the office, that's just kind of the best spot for it. Any questions for the homeowner? Yeah. I
mean, the last thing I'll say on the garage doors, um, it's basically beach storage stuff. So, walk in from the beach, instead of having to go all the way around the house and go into the back, you just open the garage doors and put your fishing poles and beach stuff in there. That's clever. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you so much. Thanks.
If there's anybody else here today that would like to speak on behalf or in opposition to this application, now would be the time to come forward. And hearing none, we'll close the public discussion and open for board conversation.
Usually it's new. Can you speak into that? If it's new construction, I'm usually have to adhere to the codes, but as opposed to them going higher, I think it's nicer. What was it the historic board came up with as far as
recommendation or denial? They um Brandon shared that they had some questions about the garage doors and making sure that those were clearly not usable. Um but otherwise, they were, you know, they had no additional comments.
They did achieve I think their goal of getting an additional 10-ft setback and the 15 foot setback from a 20 and 20. So there's a total increase of 15 ft. But in the back eight goes down to eight in
the back with this proposal. Correct. So I'm just saying they are given the steps that have been adhered to they have achieved incremental 15t. is my understanding. Is that is correct,
Brandon? Just correct me if I'm wrong. So, I mean, my take is this is um a pretty refreshing renovation for Pass Girl. It's a beautiful home. It's a it's a beautiful design. There's no um controversy from the neighbors, the alleys. It's just that it's a brand new
construction and we know how we can adhere to codes and we're going through all the steps and you get to a certain point where you design for your land. So I, you know, have to say I agree with Brandon. Were you gonna answer that question she had?
I was just going to agree. It's it's 15 ft when you add the five foot encroachment in the rear and the 10 in the front that are allowed by right. Okay. So, and Brandon, one more question for you if I may. Um, technically they could go higher. Is that right? They
could they could put on a sec a second story and keep it at was it 33 feet that's allowed? Uh it's it's 32 feet to the highest point. Yes. I just I'd rather see it not go higher. Well, that I mean that's anecdotal, but I feel like if we pulled, you know, the
community of Pastor on the options of do we have houses that go higher or are we encroaching an additional seven feet into the setback that the overwhelming majority would prefer to see homes stay as modest as they can to be more in line with the historical, you know, nature of
the community, especially in that neighborhood. You know, the only thing I'm concerned about, and Kathy brought this up last time, is that we're going to keep these things are going to keep coming back because there's so much rebuilding being done and at some point we just have to say you can't because we
just we can't keep giving very I mean that last you weren't here last week, but we denied somebody 14 in higher than was allowed and Kathy was the one that said, "Yeah, we we just can't keep saying yes, yes, yes, I I totally recognize that. I also think
every case is seen in in its own, right? And I think the fact that this case is not asking to go both up in maximizing square footage as well as out that that's a significant factor to take into consideration. I would agree with that. Yeah. I I just last last week was about
height. I'd rather see I'd rather grant this variance than see them go back to the board and then raise our house in that neighborhood. It's it would be just better for the the atmosphere of the neighborhood. Yeah. I have a feeling
every neighbor that's going to rebuild in that area has the opportunity to stick within these setbacks and heights. And whether you want to encourage them to have less
of a setback or go higher, every we will never even hear from those that just choose to go higher. So to pick one out in the middle and say, "Well, we'd rather have you encroach further out than go up," I think would be kind of silly for us to think we're not going to see all the other houses around them go
up without ever talking to us. Which is great because that's the that is the pasil decision on how they want their historic neighborhood to adhere to standards. And I think that's where you go if it's a brand new home. Um
we have certain opportunities through the historic board process and design review that you can achieve additional variance and it comes to a point redesign within the footprint.
Uh I got a question Kristen. So you said there's another um structure on that alley that's going to get demoed. Which one is that? So there is the corner if you're looking to the south. I believe it's 106 and 108.
So if you're looking from their front yard looking south, it would be to the right and pretty much directly across. So it's not one of the ones on the alley then. It's it's on the other side of 20th. It's on the other side of 20th, but you're it's
not directly adjacent, but it is across the street and to the west, which is also that corner alley. Okay. There's a whole mixture of architecture on that street anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Looking at that uh alley, it
seems like almost everything encroaches. And to me, they're just asking for less than what's already encroaching. So, while I agree that new construction should definitely conform.
I just have a different feeling about this specific case because there's only three or four pro lots on that alley on each side and every single one of the other houses encroaches including the fire station. I think if I
recall we gave them like two feet from the property line. Yeah, they got they got a lot of areases but they had to build a fire station. Yeah. So that's how I feel about it. I think I'm inclined to agree with you only because all the others are the same.
Well, the I I believe the one right next door to them is all encroaches that alleyway more than they want to. So, well, they were built at a different time and they're also deemed historic. So, once they get them torn down, then if that's their decision, then they'll
get rebuilt to code into the current zoning restrictions. So, I guess what we're saying is if I mean to me is we're throwing out what has been established in terms of a design
zoning specific for this area. And being in an alleyway, it's even I think to me even more important to uphold that when you think about emergency vehicles and being able to get anything through there. um that alley is not very I know you have other like 20th avenues but I
guess I look at this and think it is an opportunity as there's rebuild in building back better that we either uphold the the limits of this which I think there's already 15 additional feet
which is got it great I think that's something that the city and pasil specifically wanted to allow for but to continue to just encroach on it now another 7 ft that's substantial.
What's the condition of the alley back there? My my memory of this having gone through there a lot um is it's not it's it's Is it gravel? It's not paved is it? No, it's show. So I just Is there going
to be if you take your car in and you cut down behind or next to where Jaro's used to be and you pull down there and you turn left, you don't have a whole lot of room. That alley's pretty darn small, isn't it? We're going to question the applicant if you could please come back up to the podium.
Yes, sir. Yeah, there's four houses um four to the south and four to the north. So on 20th and 21st that all go down through that alley, right? But the but the alley is what kind of shape is it in? It's uh sand. Yeah. Pretty natural.
You can drive on it. No problem. If you if you have the garage go all the way back there, are you going to have enough I I live I live on 11th Avenue. So it's this I got the same situation you do. The alleys both ways. The alley behind my house is so small that I had
to my neighbor has a garage and I had to move the fence in my fence in to give her more room to get in and out. Is she going to get out? Cuz No, you can actually pass it's wide enough you can neighbors can pass each other in that alley. Really? Yeah. And the addition that we So the house was built in the 50s. In the 60s somebody did um an
addition with a sun room and a carport. And so there was a covered carport back there. And then when we were expecting our son, we turned that into a master. So, we actually did used to park that way. So, this will be the same. We'll pull in from the alley, park in the back. Again, there's no car traffic on
the front. That's just pedestrian in and out. You can make that turn in and park. When I was trying to go back to see the back of your house to go back to that alley, I there was there were cars parked back in there and I couldn't even get in. Yeah, that might have been construction or the the house on the corner behind us is under construction.
So, just to clarify, the width of the current alley with the existing non-conforming kind of setbacks of the other homes allows for multiple vehicles. So, there would there I'm all about safety. So, there would be no concern about that. Right. So, the the
two that are basically right up against the alley, um the one to the west of us is where the north south alley comes in between 20th and 21st. So, you take that right past their structure. And then the one behind Jinaro's which is two houses to the east of us is the other one. So
actually it's both incaps where you turn in that both of those structures are further to the alley than where we are and we still access it. Yeah, we can we can lay this down too if you all want to see. Like there's at least eight,
nine, 10 properties that are going to go up and down that alley and then there's one, two, then there's four facing Gulfway that have the alleys to the other to the west. Um, I just drove it today. Uh, I find it depending on your
vehicle whether you really can get cars past each other. But I hear you. I I believe that you could Yeah. It's not going to be it. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be tight. I drive an SUV. My wife drives a truck and we live there for 10 years and you you can pass neighbors.
It's not fast, but you can get by each other. Careful. Um, and then I just wanted to clarify on the front. So, the it was important to us as well. The neighbors to our east and west have both been there. were kind of the new kids on the block buying in 2012. Um, and it was important to us to not build a big house
right in front of him. My neighbor Mike to the east, his dad built the house he's renovating. Um, and it was important to us to not take away. So, the structure, the actual house is in the same line, 16 feet back. The encroachment to 10 is the porch above
because we didn't want to have to walk down the stairs every time somebody knocked on the door to let them in. So you kind of approach the house from an exterior stairwell and then when you walk in you're in the home. So it kind of lives more like a singlestory house. And same way with going up to a third floor with kids and everything. We did
not want to go three floors of living. So the hardship is really the office to work from home. Um so appreciate your consideration. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks madam chair if I may and just by the why the homeowner is up. If I could ask you a question. Um, do you have any plans
because you have that interior because of the L-shape, you have a larger interior rear yard. Do you have any future plans for any improvements in there? Um, or is it just maintained as No, just yard for the kids. It gives us a little spot to play with. And that's
why it was kind of unique the way it was built the first time and that's why we're using the same. We didn't want all house on the lot. We like the yard for the kids. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, We'll reclose the public comment and any additional discussion.
Again, I I'm for So, do we have a Do we have a motion? Yeah. I'll make a motion that the board approve case 2574 as proposed based on the testimony and
heard today. I'll second. Roll call, please. Member core. No. Member Cosy. Yes. Member Small. Yes. Vice Chair Garshaw. No. Chair Chase.
Yes. Motion carries 3 to2. That was our only action item for today. But we do have an item for discussion on case number 23072, a progress report. Yes, madam chair, board members, Kristen Coleman, senior planner. Um just to
bring back to light um we have this is progress report number three as requested at the conclusion of progress report number two uh which was provided at the March meeting um where consensus of the board was that good faith efforts were continuing to be made and at that
time um attorney Bass agreed to come back and see us once again to provide progress report number three and he is here. Great. Good afternoon. Uh well, hopefully we can keep this brief. Um our contractor is here, so he
can provide you specific uh updates regarding the project that is ongoing. Um and then I have some updates regarding I'm showing six open permits. I know that was something that was a a topic of discussion last time. Um of the
six, see if I can remember this. I also jotted them down. Um, of the six, three of them are related to the current uh the current project. That's the relining of the parking lot, the uh open permit with the walk-in cooler, and then the project as
a whole. Um, one of them is Oh, one of them is the generator, which is not closed yet, and it's not expired. It doesn't expire until next month. And my understanding is they're not done with the work. And then the two of them are related to a company, Con and West, Inc. I've
actually spoken with that company as recently as yesterday. Uh they called me back. Uh and they've explained that they also don't know why they're not closed. It seems that the final inspection has been done. It all the all the fees and fines or not fines, but fees have been
paid. Everything's up to date. Uh they said they would look into it. They're interested in what what to do next. Uh, and I would just ask that if if we can't figure that out, if they don't know how to proceed, then I can see if the current contractor can have those closed
out uh with this project. And that would be all the open permits. And if you have any specific pending any questions there, I can re I can uh uh allow the our current contractor John to address any specific questions like I said about the current construction project.
Okay. I have no questions. Do you want to hear from John about the That would be great. John Superior, 12645 Racetrack Road, uh Tampa, Florida 33626. Uh I'm the general contractor for Red,
White, and Booze. Uh for uh to give you an update, we've made some good progress. Uh the siding finally came in. I don't know if you've all driven by, but uh the siding is going up. We're almost done with the siding. Of course, we couldn't start the roof till we got the siding on. So, the roof is going on
as well. Uh so, uh we're in progress with that. The screen wall, which was part of the condition for the permit to hide the walk-in cooler, was submitted uh I don't know about a month ago maybe, and then there was a comment. We just
got the approval on that. Okay, great. So, we're trying to get that scheduled in to our concrete guy to get that up and we can get it stuckcoed and we will paint it to match the building. Um, perfect. Uh, so I'm assuming you don't need me to submit colors. No, if if
you'd like to just relay it, but I think as long as it is consistent with what you have. I know it's cedar, so I am actually intrigued on the the artistic side how we're going to do that. I So, yeah, I can't wait to see. But if you wanted to share, that would be great. Okay. Yeah, I I promise you it's gonna
match and it's going to go in with the building and stuff like that. So, uh and then after that, uh of course, then we'll we'll do the parking lot stripe bumper and I believe one of the open permits was a fence, which of course we'll close that out when we wrap up
with final inspections on the uh parking lot. So, so we're getting close. We're probably, you know, depending on my concrete crew, I would say, I don't know, month, six weeks is my goal to get out of there. Um, so but it's coming along. I think it's in my mind it's looking great. That's just my personal
opinion. So I think it looks I think you've done a really good job with it. It's very attractive. It's not related to that exactly, but I'm just curious what's going on in across the street in that the the building that used to be Jarro was um that's not something you need to
answer unless you're I I'd prefer not to say right now, but I'll be happy once I get authorization to do that. I'll be happy to uh to tell you who's going. Not my business, but I just was curious. It's a good question. nearby so I see it every day. Um appreciate the update. I agree. I think you know you guys have
been making great progress. Um what my thought is as long as we don't you know if we come eight weeks from now and we haven't continued to see things close out, we could always request them to come back. But at this point I feel comfortable kind of having the the case move forward. Agree. Well and if you
guys have questions you can always email me too. I'll be happy to respond. So um and I would like to be as transparent as possible. So, okay. As well as part of the uh permits that are open, there will be landscaping that is required. We did have a landscape plan that we approved.
We as staff will go out and inspect once we get that inspection request. Um, your planning staff will. And so, that's just an additional layer that they're going to Okay, great. And I appreciate the owner being here today as well. So, thank you for attending. Yeah. and the landscaping will be later once we get
all the construction material out of there. Then we'll start the the parking lot, the landscaping, so on and so forth. So awesome. I know the the neighborhood's excited. So yeah, good. Thank you so much for coming. Oh, you're welcome. Any other items for discussion? Kristen,
city attorney. So, our next hearing I I have one thing just as far as I I think something that could be useful um would be and I don't know how this would occur, whether or not it's actually anything we need to do in a meeting or
separate, but I think you know just listening to the commission last night and the um discussion around the district 4 commissioner and thinking about understanding our comprehensive plan um andor like these zoning
directions for specific neighborhoods and how do we be better stewards of what it is that we should be stewarding in this role. Uh I don't feel currently that maybe we've got um specific line of sight on that kind of training um and
awareness and lots of things have been evolving. Um, so even discussing, you know, the utilization of fill and now how that might have created different challenges with height and I just think it would be useful for us to cover some
of those basic things. Um, and in particular, of course, if areas are historic and have some of these unique opportunities to take advantage of reduce setbacks, um, that's great. and then you know still demanding further
ones. I think for us to appreciate maybe why certain things are in place and what kind of momentum in the community there is around that and support for it. Does that sound like something we either would use a meeting or a workshop time
for or that would be pushed out to us to just do on our own? Um I don't know. That's maybe an ask or an open. No, I think if you all think that that would be useful. Yeah, I would be open to that. Yeah. And if if you think of things like maybe you need additional
clarification and are are some of our zone or ordinances, excuse me, have changed a bit. Mhm. Um, some are emergency things which may not necessarily long they're not long term, but longterm like you're saying a better, fuller explanation of this
overlay versus the house medium and just no one wants to deprive somebody of something that looks like, you know, okay, I get it. But I think if it's also a reflection of we are in a massive rebuild moment, correct? So, uh, we
could see a variance every single time for some unique element of the requirements for catering to, you know, particular needs, whatever they are. Um, and I almost could say whatever you educate us on probably in some
digestible format would be super smart to use for the community communication, too. So then they can think about it as far as oh this isn't just meant to be the city's challenging me to not do something but in fact there there's a
greater design plan in mind. I think that would be a smart thing for us to consider doing. And I' I'd be happy to collaborate on this with you if you know if that's a and if you think of other things when you walk out of here, feel free to shoot me an email, you know that
we can even maybe discuss one or two things depending on your our case loads, right? Um like with this application that was previous before us today, they had to go before the historic board to demolish for a design review. So staff is doing multiple reviews and you know
they may say well we're always at this podium but there's a reason and a a rhyme and a reason for it but if we could explain that to you just even with the setbacks today just in a simple chart like what they gained going with the overlay and then they also had to do additional steps that you may not know
and understand because right you're just seeing what are they asking relief for but it'll give you a better understanding of what they can may not be able to do or extra elements that are required as part of that design review, right? Well, and backing up from that, it's like why did that uh restriction
get put in place to begin with, you know, because I think for example, the historic board has spent a tremendous amount of time trying to come up with some design specific thing elements and res whatever, you know, I don't even know. I won't even try to pretend, but I know that um there's a lot of work that
goes on and then it gets layered on and then you know do we just undo it all by saying yeah have couple feet here and there and sprinkle it all around and then we're like well I don't know does it is is it pretty defeating of the value of the dynamics that we're trying
to create as far as overall look and feel in neighborhoods. Okay. So I don't I'm not saying that that's the case. I'm just suggesting it would be helpful to be smarter about those things that you're establishing for this city so we can we can treat them with that kind of
honor as we re rebuild and this is a yeah again a unique period of time. I think that that would be great and I think the idea of just kind of sprinkling on different topics when we have you know smaller case loads like today would um work well versus setting
up a you know a separate dedicated time and code adjustment who does the code adjustments depending on what it is with the seaw walls that just went through and I mean you mean I understand preserving pass a grill been here
forever and but what what what this storm just showed us is that some of our codes might not be I don't know um an acceptable way to have to build things after you're you're
demolished. I mean that's we're in we're in different times right now. Way different times. That's I love I love historic Passagra but we do what's what's going on with the by seahorse by the way? Anybody on
that? All right. Any any other comments related to today's meeting? Otherwise, I'll No, we're good. We'll adjourn. You were going to say for our next meeting? for next meeting.