##VIDEO ID:zNw-hRRQW5E## e e e e e e e e if we can all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all roll call please member Cy here member core here member Gara here member small here Vice chair Chase here quum fantastic um before starting today I thought it was important to just recognize everything the city has done in the LI of the past month um in particular as it's relevant to this board um working hard on the emergency ordinances to help residents and businesses expedite their um recovery period so thank you all so much for everything that you're doing um we'll move to I also want to welcome Nancy yes thank you madam chair um for members of the public and those watching um my name is Nancy ster and I'm an attorney with the V law firm and we are very honored and pleased to be able to represent the City of St Petersburg beach and I get the pleasure of working with this phenomenal board thank you so much for being here Nancy welcome um we'll move to the approval of the agenda um one note I wanted to make is I unfortunately have a conflict that's come up today so I'm going to need to excuse myself just before 3:00 um in the spirit of keeping some normaly my kids have a Halloween party that was rescheduled and it's just really important for me to be there for them um so we will have the election of officers prior to that so we should be able to have a seamless you know transition and maintain order for the meeting was there um any other changes to the agenda today Kristen no no then I'll make a motion to approve the October 30th 2024 agenda I second all in favor I I fantastic we'll move on to audience comments um if there's something that is not on the agenda today that you would like to speak about this would be the time if your item is on the agenda you'll have the time to speak during that period I don't have any cards no cards is there anybody here that would like to move forward hearing none we'll move on to approval of the minutes did everybody have have a chance to review the minutes from last meeting yes I do have one kind of minor edit that is uh going to decide what page it would be on but it's um after the case number 24042 there was a comment that was made that um was about me member Gara so um and I just wanted to correct that it's actually the Don CeSar place but it's actually Property Owners Corporation it is not not a homeowners association Property Owners Corporation thank you any other changes or comments on the minutes no do we have a motion I move to approve second roll call please member core member ghaw yes member small yes member Cy yes chair Chase yes motion carries all right moving on to action items um number 4A the election of officers open it for board discussion I make a motion that the board appoint Denise Chase to be the chairman of this board of adjustments a second I would be honored to continue to serve on the board um and move into the chair position um but we definitely like a vice chair beside me would anybody like to volunteer or make a motion for that role do not need to approve on you I'm happy to step in and do the vice chair unless somebody else is dying to do it okay fantastic okay can I just ask a question sorry about that so we had um as far as the appointment of the chair we had a motion we had a second um how about a vote on that motion we need to do do we can we do the vote together do you want them to have if the maker of the motion would amend to add make the amendment and will the person who's second also agree to the amendment yes okay one vote perfect roll call please member Gara yes member small yes member KY yes member core yes Vice chair Chase yes motion carries fantastic um moving on to action item 4B approval of the board meeting dates um Christen provided all of those to us in advance everybody have a chance to take a look now would be the you know ideal time to go ahead and move any date if you are anticipating any vacations or things coming ahead I know for myself potentially the June meeting but I don't have anything firm so I wouldn't want to move it based off that for now I have nothing B no gentlemen how did your calendars look okay we're all good all good all good all right um motion to approve with no changes the meeting dates for 2025 so moved roll call please did we get a second second member small yes member Cy yes member core yes Vice chair garow yes chair Chase yes motion carries right now let's go ahead and swear everybody in um Clark if we can for those that will be testifying today we'll need to swear you in prior to you um approaching the board anyone who will be speaking to the board or making a presentation needs to be sworn in please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the information or factual representation that you are about to give or present to the board is truthful I do thank you thank you city clerk um before moving on to our first case number 24541 120 60th Avenue if we can um disclose any expart communication starting with members small and I None no communication just drive by none for me either none for me and none for me so Madam chair yes I would also like to ask at this time if any of our board members have any conflict of interest that would prohibit them from voting on any of the items that are on your agenda today and the reason for doing that at the beginning of the meeting is just to make sure that we have a quorum that would be able to vote on that particular item when we get to it so that said does anyone have um a voting conflict and that would be um a conflict under Florida law the code of ethics where you have some type of personal interest in one of the matters before you okay so I guess let the record reflect that everyone is shaking their heads no okay thank you absolutely um so moving on to case number 2454 Kristen Brandon that would be me for this one great did you have yeah so um oh no we'll have the city present their case and then we'll invite you up thank you so I think um generally it is the um the burden of the applicant to come forward first um however the city often times um not only in this city but in other cities as well we'll give a brief introductory comment so that way um members of the board the public everyone is aware of what is going to transpire and then the applicant will make their argument and then staff will respond that's hisor yeah that's historically how we've um proceeded so if you're comfortable with that Nancy we'll move okay if I could have the PowerPoint please okay so good afternoon Kristen Coman senior planner uh this is variance case number 24054 uh the property is located at 126th Avenue the request is for practical difficulty variances Michael of Fraz designs request a four-part variance to uh a removal of existing carport and construct new 11t x 7 in by 40t in length by 8ft high carport with proposed sidey yard setback of 2 feet where 6.7 is required um B installation of a 12 1/2 ft x 33t long patio area with side yard setback of 1T where 2T is required replacement of existing 112t residential storage building where a maximum 80 square foot is permitted and last but not least proposed residential storage building to have overall height of 9 ft where a maximum height of 8 ft is permitted I do have a short presentation being and and conferring with the applicant in light of the recent events that we've had he has lost some of his materials so I did ask you know we had a conversation where I could just put together um a short presentation for him okay okay so Madam chair I apologize I have lots of questions but great um the has there been the EXP parte disclosure for this specific case um so prior to us providing um not have any conflicts before that's what I had asked um okay so that is for all the cases that was we we've historically done it Case by case would that be your guidance that would be preferable so there was none for this specific case discussed good okay uh this is the site highlighted in red is interior lot and contains a single family residence and located within ru1 Zone um this was also in our staff findings report but the existing survey showing the um existing residential storage uh building as well as the existing carport and this is the survey with the proposed improvements um that was provided to us and just here is a little bit more request in detail uh also in my staff findings Report with the zoning table identifying uh required existing and proposed for each structure going on to the property the notice was completed as required the legal add and notices were mailed on October 16th and sign posted on October 22nd this is the front of the building or the dwelling I'm going on to the property and I don't know if Madam chair if you'd like I can kind of not go through this and have the applicant kind of talk to this as well I know it's a little different um than we usually do but this was provided on behalf of him as well it's up to you I'm happy for you to quickly you know complete that your presentation as designed okay so this is the uh side of the property where the existing carport is just taken um right on the property line so you can see the roof of the carport this is another uh Viewpoint from the rear of the property looking at the existing carport just a little bit closer up uh the existing residential storage uh building on the property just another view of that that is to be removed and a new one of the same square footage um in a new location on the property is proposed which is this location here uh also containing within my staff findings report I would like the applicant uh to provide some testimony and respond to the staff comments that were included in the report and the applicant should provide testimony as to the desire to increase the height of the proposed residential storage structure and types of materials to be stored within as well as the applicant should provide testimony as to how the storm rer runoff shall be directed and maintained on the property to ensure compliance with Land Development code section 6.13 B3 and that is all I have at this time thank you Kristen any questions for question Kristen so Kristen I do have questions um just to clarify so um with the current non I guess is the terminology non-conforming carport yes and we'll start and shed for that matter right um if so are they allowed to just leave it as is but if it's touched it it needs to be brought into alignment with code correct because both uh structures were looking to be removed and replaced because they did exceed what is permitted by the Land Development code they did need to seek relief for that okay um if there if it's left then the non-conforming does not imply any type of impact no it can remain as is it just can't be enlarged or expanded okay thanks if the applicant would like to please come forward and present your case you can start with sharing your name and address for the record that would be great H my name is Mike Keller I work at Phase design um my home address is 11901 4th Street North that's St Petersburg and um I did the drawings for him but he's the one that fill out the application and dealt with her mostly so I can answer any other question I'm Steven Klein 120 60th Avenue what's left of it right now um St Pete Beach what else am I supposed to tell you just about the if you would just like to tell us you know what you're looking to do and and why you're requesting a variance um I'm looking to relocate the existing shed um same size it'll be a little further from the fence it will also have a flat roof that is slanted 6 in such that the drainage will be inside my that 2 feet of the yard um I'm looking to replace uh the existing carport which didn't suffer any damage again um with a longer car port basically and More in compliance with the regulations with the exception I want to push the um side variants the height variance I think I'm still keeping on both the shed and the carport I'm just the sun is really hot and I don't have a garage and I I just want a carport I don't know if I need to have more of a story than that well can you help us understand the rationale for moving this current shed structure to uh yeah it's it's um it's dilapidated a little bit it's in an area that I want to continue to improve my property and property values um in compliance with City Rules and that area there I would do that in the future by putting for example a grill out there and some chairs and a patio for so for social purposes and that area is paved out by there and that would be a better side of the house to have that um than the other side basically you you you said um what's left of it when you commented on your address so I got I I now as as a EXN northerner know exactly what storm surge means yeah yes you do my house was flooded um you can see all of it in the front of it right now but what I'm wondering is does that in any way affect this project which you initiated um the only effect it's going to have is that I'm not going to get to it as soon as I would have if I didn't have to try and get a residence but you're planning to stay in the house yes oh yeah I'm staying with a friend right now and I don't want her to go to jail because and if I continued to live with her she'd probably kill me so she she would go to jail and I would be dead those aren't good SC it's not a good scenario the one the one part of this that I'm concerned about um is this and I called it variance creep last time we met setback of 2 feet where it's supposed to be 6.7 that's a big difference that's a space it's crowding on your neighbor and now Stephanie is okay with it um that she's owns the apartment building next to me uh and we have a solid fence there which will remain there the existing carport which you saw in the picture is visible has been there long before me um and she hasn't had a problem with any of that and I'm basically just lengthening it and moving it back a little bit I the I it back 4.7 feet well I one of the things I did not my outside air conditioning unit is there um it is very costly to move that unit further back in addition to that I would lose efficiency of the unit and so we're getting the carport a little bit wider mainly the post so that I can drive the first car around and get two cars in there that's what started all of this is is I need to work around and balance things and as I worked with zoning here which has been very good then that's what we came up with as the ideal again um yeah your storage building is quite a bit 32 square fet bigger it is but [Music] um respect F the city's dimensions are quite a bit smaller than other comparable areas and so that's you know 8 by 12 is kind of tight you should I am not going to be as much of a pack rat as I have been because the flood took half of that away but I still want to have room for my mower for my beach wagon for packrat stuff I can be more descriptive if you want members if I may um with regards to the setback and in my staff findings report the existing uh carport has a setback of 77 feet where two two feet is proposed so he is looking to actually bring that in a little bit more so to meet try to meet compliance um than what is currently existing so he is moving it in and some on on the carport side and with the except the the carport and shed and a garage I think have similar rules and this is a carport so it has a piece in the air that's going to infringe on the ground you're only going to have four 4x4 or 6x6 I don't know what they decided post that are really encroaching so for the most part that area is open and it's it's and it's can't be and it's not seen by the neighbors I have a couple questions unless you still had some more no okay so um thank you for sharing some of the background so I understand with the carport um The Patio sidey yard setback it's required to have two why guess what's the hardship to go why do you need to go to one four week now for this patio side yard setback um so that was not the concrete correct oh okay so from that standpoint um that one has a two foot requirement you're proposing taking that down to one is there any way reason you couldn't I it was mainly so that we could put the post on concrete yeah You' need Footers for posts right yeah oh we that's in the he drew those in the plants would you have to though extend it I mean I don't know that you would have to have an extension of another foot the only reason that we went out as far as we did goes back to the air conditioner which was in the picture and that if you put the post at the prop at the your uh whatever it's supposed to be without the variance you would not be able to drive a car and park it back there I would only be able to have a half a carport so we're really moving the post so I can use it as a twocc car carport instead of a one without the burden of an expense of moving the air conditioner and losing the efficiency I'm not I I'm an accountant I don't know the technical stuff but evidently there's a certain distance from the one air conditioning unit and the one outside the inside and outside they got names for each I don't um that if it exceeds that distance then you lose efficiency which means your air conditioner runs all the time right understood and you may not get a cooling temperature I believe it push came sh the one okay and then in terms of the um the storage shed so uh two questions on that one um what would be the real heart hardship of adhering to the current code of 80 Square ft and 8T height instead of your request to go to 9 ft and 112 I'm not sure I understand what the hardship I'm not sure I I hear what you're asking I guess I need I need space I'd be better off to just leave the shed alone than go smaller honestly and I I don't know maybe I have to make that compromise okay I hope not but maybe I don't know okay any additional questions for that you got the bullets I only have the gun so you know it's like the IRS you get I got to let you use the gun and pray you don't shoot me the uh we don't shoot people here all right um if there ever was a time that we understand zoning it would be now because of what we just been through especially with the U the wind event second Milton um I have things in my backyard that I have no idea where they came from um and probably a lot of you do too yeah I do but the reason we have zoning is so that we are farther apart so that if your shed tips over it doesn't crash into the building next to you and that kind of stuff and we you know we've seen it literally seen it happen this last week or two weeks ago so that's that's my one concern is that well this is a time that we understand why zoning exists I I would say that my shed wasn't damaged my fence got a little bit but um I generally am pretty sheltered because of that big two-floor apartment building on the between the golf and me you are but the apartment building maybe isn't they're not but that know they're not but the the damaging winds generally are coming from the West not the East I think it's it's a great point to keep in mind and we've learned a lot over the past couple of weeks and those are all factors that help us help us understand why we have the codes that we have and um we take you know considerations why you have the codes I had a business up north I it's regulatory to compliant I I've worked with the zoning I sat on several County committees I I understand the process and the need for the process for sure I had a I also understand why there's a variance process and the need for that absolutely yeah I had a couple of questions for you guys um one could you use Footers for the post on the the fence side instead of go out to two feet and carpo was designed by a carport company yeah so it's up to them kind of to decide that yeah I'm pretty sure you could use I think you could use Footers like you say going from 1 to two and that would be purely so there's more surface area for the water to run it soak down into the ground and then the other concern I had is I I'm not sure I saw where you had gutters and where was the run off from all of the roof and the new Roofing going to the same thing and SL down towards so it's running right off onto the fence line area here it's running the front to the front yard in the front is G on there I didn't yeah I and the backyard runs to the backyard so there ises I'm saying the actual yeah I'm asking where does the down is there a down spout and where does it go so there's no down SP down spout whatsoever yeah oh so the roof waterers pretty much running off right into the the neighbor's property as well then well nothing run should run off the ne right we haven't had any problem with that I usually get their run off they're a little higher and also we one of the somebody told me that in the one foot that I have that I can't do something to it I have to leave it so that it's permeable ground so that which I'm going to do so that all the water would drain and and uh I don't know I've only been there 5 years I've never had a problem this is only my third and fourth hurricane so I don't know I hope it don't get worse does that answer your question yes and then I was going to ask Kristen so was there a different idea for how to manage the the runoff you could absolutely as a condition require gutters to be installed I can do that if you did gutters is what does the city recommend as where does the where's the water directed in thata in this case so it wouldn't be towards the property line it would be either depending on how the roof line and it could be the gut the gutter company designing it as well that it would either go towards the front but then you do have the concrete or towards the rear it just depends on um the installation and the design of it but as far as zoning staff if that was a condition you had I would go out before the issuance of a CO or the final inspection to ensure that they were installed as per your condition and I'm okay with that yeah and it it also doesn't sound like there's a problem if the property next St is higher than this anyway and I can bring back pictures back up you know on the PowerPoint I know I went through them pretty quickly so that you could see um if you'd like as well just so you get a general idea I think I've got the general idea okay yeah perfect and is that the neighbor that wrote the letter in um so we did receive one letter in support and's one of my neighbors I get along with the neighbors which is wonderful we love hearing that um I think we're I'm not bad we're good with the applicants testimony at this time so thank you so much for sharing we'll call you back if we have any additional questions at this point if there's anybody that's here to speak on behalf or opposition to this case now would be the time to address the board hearing none we'll close a public comment and open for board discussion I do have one more question I don't know if I should just direct this to Kristen I know she's researching okay I can multitask okay great I know you can um the impervious surface ratio worksheet I mean this is a significant jump um right uh is what's being proposed to go from 36 .92 to 58.5 um 70% is is permitted so he's well within that got it thank you okay um other than that you know I think from my perspective it looks like the there's actual Improvement um from a I don't know if we call it the uh the setback with the car airport exactly from what is existing and um the storage building or shed that one is a little bit from my standpoint I don't know that I appreciate the hardship in elevating it another foot um having driven by there I mean really would kind of rise above and the commitment to keeping fences up I think we maybe all have that desire but I don't know I can't even get somebody talk to me about my fence coming back up for quite a while so I think that's always a tricky one around here um fences I had a similar read I think the you know there is an improvement on the carport side could it be better yes but at least we're moving in the right direction um on the shed stpoint I think that's a decision for him to make he can leave the shed as is and not have to make any changes if he wants to put a new shed I think we should you know I would be in favor of masking to make that in compliance with as long as the addresses the storm R off m Cutters good and the question about the Footers what did you guys think about the Footers versus Paving the extra foot I think that would be ideal but either way it seems we're still getting an improvement um but between the gutters and the so we'd be talking about approving it with the condition of Footers for the fence side of the so we would be decreasing the set the side set back to the one foot but allowing the other setback to remain yeah nonconforming well the the it would be the west side of the cardboard or it would be the patio that was described as the patio it would be one foot smaller what it would and only the Footers would extend in that extra foot instead of the whole thing so that would help with the absorb the water into to the ground on that whole strip mhm okay and he still keeps the same roof line and the post is in the same spot yeah what are your thoughts on the um shed um I I I don't have any opinion on the shed really I I think it would be better to keep it at 8 ft personally so it doesn't show over the fence line but the sizewise I think I think it's reasonable to ask for more space do you think that would it be appropriate to say being that he's dealing with the flood conditions now to refigure this based on our conversation that come back and present again because we have so many things in here we're saying yes but no yes no now it's this the way it reads now is not what we're agreeing to or can we I I think seate these two pieces yeah I think what we can honestly do and Nancy jump in here um but I think what I'm hearing from the the board is with regards to the shed um height is an issue if he would be willing to reduce the height to a conforming height of 8 ft and eliminate that variance um and also the installation of gutters as far as the carport goes um that would you could it does have gutters on there so that could remain as is um but eliminate the patio setback requirement and make it conforming at 2 ft so now instead of four variances we only have two and that would be pertaining um to the square footage of the residential storage accessory structure as well as uh the carport setback itself so the way you're articulating it is two variances one is for the carport and the patio side yard to be a two foot and two foot is conforming so with um Oh I thought it was 6.7 no that's the carport itself it set back okay yes so then we would only be looking at carport variants as well as a square on the carport it wasn't the gutter for the shed we were talking about the carport as the testimony provided by the applicant there is gutters on the carport I don't really remember okay there can be okay okay we can just confirm gutters across that would we to confirm that okay okay that can be can be a condition okay and then um I think what there's a mix conversation around the storage but that would be um it sounds like the possible proposal would be to say appr proove a variance to 112 at 8 ft correct um versus the 80 foot the 9 foot that it was requested 9 foot and a variance for 112 versus 80 correct okay okay so I don't know that that all make sense I think so okay can you read it the way it's now yes I think you got this and now we're going to combine these into the same one still the same case yes you can or two separate okay okay so I will make a motion for case number 2454 126th Avenue that we approve the carport sidey setback of twoot variants with the condition of the butter system and the residential storage building square footage to be 112 Square fet where 80 ft is required I'd second that motion did we add um include the condition for the gutters on the storage do we need that okay yeah that's the patio uh that would be um B in the in the current description okay I honestly would recommend the installation on both because as part of my um staff findings report I asked for the storm water on the shed because that is a requirement for the LDC so my recommendation would be installation on both structures okay so should I repeat everything or just add the condition yes please okay I'll make a motion to approve case number 2454 carport variance to 2 feet with a condition of a gutter system to move water away from the uh sight line yard line as well as the residential storage building 112t square feet or 80t is required and have a guttering system also to move water away from the neighboring sight lines okay we're looking for a second yes I'll second second yeah okay great we have a motion and a second roll call please member clazy yes member core no Vice chair Gara no member small yes uh chair Chase yes motion carries three to2 right moving on to case number 2460 315 Corey Avenue if we could first um review any expert taking Communications for the board nothing none for myself no done a site visit but haven't we all hav we all um prior to hearing from that your the applicant we'll um discuss an overview with the city and then we'll call you up for so this is our new board member I forgot good afternoon Madam chair board members for the record Gil Martinez senior planner I recently came on board with the city and I'm very excited to be here and I look forward to working with you as we proceed welcome great to meet you thank you um the case before you today is case number 2460 it is an unnecessary and undue hardship variance the applicant John D A John a Bosak for 315 corab LLC request the variant to reinstall two illumin ated marquee signs two illuminated Play Bill signs in addition to the existing illuminated blade sign allowing for a total of five commercial signs where three are permitted and allowing all five to be illuminated along Corey AV where none are permitted to be illuminated the structure is a historic structure it is very unique I believe that it was um August 1st of um 2024 this year this item came before the historic preservation board for certificate of appropriateness and it was granted um can I bring the how does this work may have the overhead please or the power yeah the PowerPoint I'm sorry no wrong [Music] one got it trying to skip ahead on this there you go staff comments um the applicant should be able to provide testimony as to the desire Skil you have to go forward that's my oh man yep that's okay wrong I think other direction other direction the big button there you go there you go there we go my apologies this is an aerial view of the property here we have a survey of the property as well as the elevations that are being proposed that doesn't here's a sign postage which was um October 20th 22nd sorry this is the existing building neighboring structures businesses it's currently under renovation under staff comments we've um requested that the applicant be able to speak to features of the original signs are being restored what features are being restored that they consult with the neighbor during Property Owners of or businesses what percentage of the facade space is being utilized by the proposed sign program propose the hours of operation of the of the illumin the hours of operation of the business and an anticipated timing for use of Illumination and any photos documents or testimony associated with the structure as it relates to the requested variance with that I will turn it over to the applicant to okay thank you madam shair if I may we did receive one letter in support wonderful the applicant would like to come forward and provide your name and address for the record and share your case with us hello my name is Brit Hayes uh I'm with the firm boseak Architects this is our project I'm here with the owner hi I'm Hannah Hawkman and Matthew Thomas with Thomas sign and Awning company um I think it's been um pretty fairely characterized in terms of the requests uh that we've made today um I just want to note generally uh the size of the signs um so we have um play Bill signs which are approximately 3 by 4 feet 9 in uh those are currently installed on either side of the entry um those are going to be taken down and and refurbished um we have the Marquee sign the vertical blade sign that it's out there everybody's seeing that's a about 17 ft High by 2' 3 in extending from the building uh the Lumin components are going to be restored on those and then um the signs that are most disputed because they've been taken down are the Marquees signs which are approximately 12et by 7t uh in dimension uh constituting about 15% of the facade um and uh those are essential to the functioning of this uh building as a theater they are where the acts are displayed um show times uh and the events um the lettering on those is illuminated uh the beach lettering and then um the removable lettering will have an illuminated background um the current signs that were in place also had some illumination on the perimeter um which is shown in the details hopefully that you all were able to see just this kind of Chevron detail on the edges of the sign any other details you want to speak about in terms of the the signs and how they're changing or yeah um so like a normal theater we will probably change our show times fairly often so that's really the only element that would change but other than that we basically just want to restore what was already there yeah and um the intent just to answer the questions which was discussed at the last uh technical committee meeting is that the signs will be illuminated from Sunset to 5 minutes before midnight 11:55 so um p.m. uh out of respect for the neighborhood there was one letter we received from a neighbor at 300 Corey Avenue in support um of of our request and we're happy to answer any questions I do have one question um one of the recommendations for the city was for the illumination to be limited to hours of operation do you anticipate the theater being open that late on a daily basis or what's the determination for that time period I don't anticipate on a daily basis I know previously this theater was famous for its 11 p.m showings personally I don't want to host an 11 p.m showing um I don't think the the audience is really here for that anymore but just to kind of keep it on the safe side 11:55 is kind of like a nice cut off I think for the evening would you be open to a condition that was limited to hours of operation so it was not you know daily at 11:55 but sure yeah I think during the weekends would probably be the really only time we wouldd be interested in showing anything that late but of course hours of operation is definitely understandable okay thank you and I know verbally you said you want to maintain what was historically there do you have any images of what that that you could share today yes of what you anticipate I'm assuming then I don't want to assume I'd love to know what your vision is and how connected it is with what it was historically I can show you I hope that this will pick up will this pick up um should if you put it flat there yeah so we to go through the COA process um we had to go through detail review okay more phot as well but this is an original rendering from 19 39 um you can see in this view actually the the marquee signs are not present but there are three playbow signs on either side of the entry and then of course there's the blade sign there um this is a rendering um some of our earlier photos of the site have shown we have many of these that depict the signs um particularly the ones that are being that have been taken down that are being restored you can see here on on the side Chon detailed it's illuminated and illuminated Beach lettering um and then you know where you the letters that change okay so that's what's not on today that you're restoring and anticipate putting back the way that is but restored exactly is the the neon sign the vertical one or the horizontal one um's sign for the and then and we show you that with the big one right there the so you can see um the lettering in kind of the blue tone is what we want to restore um and the the kind of board within the letters are with the play those will also be eliminated as they have been in the past but it's interesting to know we have many different photos we've been ping through this property of up to 12 signs at a different point in its life cycle and those of you been here for a long time probably know that but um so we're not going to essal thank you thank you so it's these five correct the horizontals and the yeah okay thank you that's helpful any other questions for the applicant and are there any I should know this but are there no residences in that area of Cory Avenue are there no so it's just all commercial anyway yeah it's been close for how many years now about 13 14 a lot of people here remember the midnight showings of Rocky thank you so much for sharing your story we'll call you back if we have any questions I think everybody would be thrilled to have that theater back um let's see if there's any um comments if there's anybody here that would like to speak on behalf or against this application now would be the time to share all right now hearing then we can open for board discussion well I think everybody will be thrilled to have it back um I don't know how long it's going to be is it is it may may I ask the applicant a question sure if the applicant would like to um you don't have to come way up yeah pleas you can stay there is it essential that the seem this not going to happen for a long time because you got damaged now because if we all did yeah uh we were hoping for March um now we're shooting for before summer so is it but well I guess what I'm asking is important will it help you a lot if you get this approval now yes sir absolutely we will okay yes yeah uh we have our Sign Guy Mr Matt behind us um he's ready to go so yeah once we get this we can move forward thank you thanks I think in any large project like this the more things you can get in motion moving particularly when Restorations is involved um you know that's how long it's going to take yeah in their control um but I agree with you I think the city is super excited to have this iconic building back and then more we can have it look like it used to um and minimize you know the the signage having elimination only during hours of operation I think that's all adherent agree this looks like like a great addition to our community and to bring it back to somewhat historical look and feel makes sense would anybody like to make a motion yeah I'd make a motion that we approve um case number 24060 315 Corey Avenue as it's presented I second that um May I make a comment would we like to include the hours of operation limitation or I thought that was already in there but yes I would say so could you amend the motion yes uh I would make a motion then that we uh approve case number 2460 315 Corey Avenue with the uh condition that the illumination be during hours of operation I I still say that roll call please Vice chair Gara yes member small yes member Cy yes member core yes chair Chase yes motion carries great um prior to move to the next case I do need to excuse myself so if you can take a little B okay thanks for showing in yeah thank you have fun are okay moving on to case 24061 1950 pass a gr away Brandon welcome this is Varian case number 24061 this is a five-part unnecessary and undue hardship variance property address is 1950 passor girl way is the St P Beach fire station down in pasil I'll spare the block of text I do have a table that goes into detail on the five-part request here's an arrow of the property it's at the southwest corner of pass girl way in 20th Avenue so going through the details of this request starting with the setbacks that was request number one the applicant is requesting to construct a new twostory fire station that will encroach into the four required yards of the property starting at the northern side looking at the front yard 20th Avenue the required setback is 25 ft now there is an existing setback of 1.5 ft that is an existing non-conforming setback the applicant is proposing 1.2 so about another third of a foot encroachment into the northern side setback on the passer girl way side on the east side the required setback is 15 ft it is currently compliant the applicant is proposing 8.4 which would be a variance on the west side which is the alleyway side the applicant is proposing a one foot set back where 10 ft is required this side is also currently compliant it is only for a small portion of the building I'll show that in the next slide and on the South Side the rear setback the required setback is 15 ft it is an existing 05 foot setback and they're proposing to retain that at 0.5 for the new build the actual height of the enclosed portion of the building is compliant 30 ft above designed flood elevation is the current requirment they will meet that with the midpoint of the roof which is how the measure this staff measure the standard um however there is a stair Tower training element which will be shown in a subsequent slide that does go to 45 ft above design flood elevation the city does allow for 10 foot overrun uh so that would allow for a 40 foot above design flood elevation element uh the applicant is proposing an additional 5T for the top of that stair Tower moving on to the impervious and green space coverage standards these are tied together um the maximum peria surface ratio for the site is8 that is established by the Land Development code it is currently non-conforming not only with the Land Development code but also with the comprehensive plan at 088 the applicant is proposing 085 so that would be bringing it down to the ma the maximum standard allowed under the comprehensive plan however because it is a full sight Redevelopment it would need to be compliant with the impervious surface ratio of 08 um if it were to be compliant with a new build standard uh the inverse of that related is the minimum Green Space standard the city requires that of that 20% permeability standard at least 80% so6 um of the site 16% needs to be comprised of vegetative Green Space the applicant is proposing 14% And again existing is 12% so it is an improvement based on what's being proposed and then looking at the buffer requirements this is tied together with the setback variances looking at the frontage buffer requirement on the North side 5 ft is required there is a portion that is proposed to be zero for the buffer and then on the parking area Landscaping buffer width this is on the South Side this is for the approach of the trucks over on the west side where the apron is located it's required to be six feet there is a portion that is 2.5 ft and that is also proposed for variant so this just shows the footprint of the existing to the proposed condition you can see on the North side and on the South Side the building is currently approximately at the property line within a foot or a foot and a half on the North side within half a foot on the South Side the footprint of the building that will be at that reduced setback is increasing with the new build um looking over at the West Side the alleyway encroachment currently the building does meet the setback on the west and the east side there is only a small portion of the building that is proposed at that that very minimal um setback on the West Side the majority of the building I believe it measured to about 8.5 ft north of that nearest to 20th Avenue the south portion of the building where the trucks enter that will be compliant with the setback looking at the elevation as I mentioned before the maximum height of the building the enclosed Second Story is compliant with the city standard at 30 fet um however what the applicants describing as the Koopa that training Tower element will be at a 45 ft overrun um looking at designed flood elevation the city allows a 10t overrun so that would be 40 ft if if it were compliant with the Land Development code here's some photographs of course these These are of the existing structure showing the sign posting uh looking at the front of the structure from pass girl way uh looking at the northern side of the structure from pass way looking down the side of the northern side of the structure and then looking at the back of the building encroaching up against the um the existing storage yard for the um boat storage jard to the South so staff has responded to the eight variants criteria in your staff report I will skim through these um this is clearly a a public benefit to this building there is a public need for this building especially after the most recent events um the applicant has provided strong support for the request we have not received any letters for or against this request however there was a 5 to zero recommendation from the historic preservation board back in April of last year this structure is not in the passer gril overlay District however we have discussed the request and we have reviewed the request for the design elements required of the design overlay and the board did make a positive finding that the request as presented to you was in compliance with those standards staff also finds that it is compliant now the setbacks that are being proposed along the various sides of the structure they are an encroachment into the required yards that would be required if this were built to the overlay um so there is additional encroachment there that um staff is asking that the applicant justify and provide additional testimony through today um in support for the additional need for that space and those encroachments so staff made a recommendation um or staff has proposed three conditions if the board moves to approve this request related to mitigation of the loss of green space and the increased impervious surface ratio the city holds itself to a higher standards in terms of lead development we do require through lead a silver certification for any new developed building that the city constructs um one of the elements of lead is called sustainable sites that's related to mitigation of any kind of new building improvements to the site it can be through um green roofs through cool materials on the roof that that help to um mitigate the heat island effect and given the additional impervious surface ratio we would recommend that as a condition if this is something that the board would move to approve uh we are also recommending that there are some minor elements that have changed between the original design that was shared with the historic preservation board and what is being presented to you today um we are just recommending that this be brought back for commentary from the historic preservation board you of course have the recommend or you have the option to deny the variance case or to continue it if you would like additional information so we have both staff and the applicant present um I know that they are able to speak to this in more detail and I'm available if you have any questions any questions for Brandon can you tell me again what you said about the historical board wanting um something this going back to them it was there were some minor element changes between the original review in April of last year and what is being presented to you today we typically share these items and we've committed as the city to sharing new development with the historic preservation board when it's the past real overlay and we would just present this back to them regarding the new design elements that have been included there's a new balcony on the Nore side there's a few other minor design changes that have been made we just want to take it back to them for certification that it still meets the design criteria so we should wait for that um it's it's not related to any of the items that are under reviewed today um if there were to be any modifications made as a result of those comments we would bring those back but none of the elements are additionally they're not additional encroachments beyond what you're seeing today okay so so it's not part of an a variance no it's just it's really the embellishment in the design of the structure that we wanted to share MH Brandon so on that point though what so the design that was shared and reviewed with the historic board would have required all of these variances um the the setbacks have changed slightly since the design was originally shared but for the most part yes it they're in general compliance with that okay mhm and was were there any proposals shared that actually met the code requirements there was one design it was not to the overlay design standards but there was a design that didn't meet the required setbacks okay I guess can we maybe we ask the applicant then to share that or that they may have the plans available yes if not I could okay thank you Brandon any other questions okay thank you okay the applicant like to come up uh good afternoon Vice chair um Madam Madame Vice chair members of the board um for the record I'm Todd sweet I'm an architect with sweet Sparkman Architects and I'm here with uh Dustin Ballard he's our civil engineer with kimly horn and Associates and also Cole MIRS is our project manager um so if we can pull up the PowerPoint I can give you a little bit of brief and I I understand um that we're asking uh we've got a tall Order ahead of us but I'd like to go through and explain the hardships and the reasoning and the timeline and the history of the project and if you have any questions along the way please fire away and I'll we'll answer as as we we can uh just to give you a little introduction um so what we're doing is we're asking actually um the city hired us about two years ago to do a a site feasibility on this site even before the storms so we were hired to do an analysis of site feasibility and do some programming uh to replace that fire station which um is what really what we started to do it um as um as it was said it is not in the pass rail overlay District it is in the actually the ins institutional District it's how it's zoned but over the course of the last two years we've done our very best doing a lot of research on the island to make sure the building is compatible with the historic nature of passag Grill which is why we went to the historic preservation board um the existing fire station you know which was built in the ' 50s really does not meet the standards of a modern day fire station just to give you little history of of us is um a lot of our business is based on designing of fire stations in fact we do them a lot on historic Barrier Islands we designed the Captiva Island fire station we designed the boka grand fire station so this is kind of our Niche and I'll I'll tell you that we're really going from what is about a 5,000 foot fire station to about a 10,000 foot fire station because the current fire station does not meet the modern standards of fire station design it's it's got group bunk group uh uh sleeping facilities it's got group bathing facilities it doesn't have spaces that we typically put in modern-day fire stations for cancer prevention and new standards that we see uh for fire station design so even at a 10,000 squ foot fire station um it is still a modest building um so we are trying to pack all of this into a very tight site which is the reason for some of the hardships is some of the requests that we're making um this gives you a little bit of the project history where we started in June of 2022 and where we were contracted for phase one and as you know that the city has had some turnover in staff so this is why the project has been delayed this is why it's been designed in several Fashions so we're really trying to now streamline that because the building um not yet condemned but likely will be condemned it's really uninhabitable right now with all the damage that it has so that desperately need a fire station to serve the community in the South part of the island so in this prary uh in this preliminary phase we did as bestest as topographic geotechnical so we can really understand all the um criteria that we'd have to work with and then we really completed the sight site assessment and concept design in March of last year as it was discussed we did present to the historic review uh board meeting we also presented to the city council um in April of 2023 is to bring them up to speed in in the design that you're really seeing today with some very very minor modifications and just to go back to a little bit of the history and where we've delved into so we've really modeled the context and with the understanding that we would be asking for variances we wanted to make sure that the building is still compatible um with the surrounded context you know when this building was built um there it was really predated a lot of zoning codes so that is why the current building does not meet zoning regulations it doesn't meet setbacks it doesn't meet ISR it doesn't meet Landscaping all those requirements of the of the zoning code it's not meeting them and we're not meeting them quite honestly it's why we're here asking you but we're trying to do better so although we don't meet Landscaping it's better than what it currently is although we don't meet impervious surface ratio we're making it better than it currently is we are asking for variances along the way but when you're T trying to design a 10,000 ft building and putting on a tight site and provide all the public safety for the citizens sometimes we have to ask for variances due to hardship um this is just goes over some of the things some of the inadequateness current FEMA requirements for elevation um so that's another reason why we're we're elevating the building now um you're going to have to take stairs to get up to the habitable level that takes up more area of the site to do that for example uh stairs whether it's a ramp whether it's the stairs all these things in trying to provide modernday zones mod you know requirements modern day uh features for a fire station all unfortunately take up space take up lot of space so we are asking for uh four variances and um I think we want to talk a little bit about the height because we submitted the the tower height uh originally when we submitted the variances we didn't feel we needed the tower height then we talked to Kristen we talked to brand and they thought better to be conservative and submit it as a variance although I not sure if the zon and code uh really requires that we submited as a variant so we can talk about that a little a little bit too um so we are submitting those four uh that Brandon did discuss like I said the resistant building is non-compliant so with that said I'm going to let um Dustin come in here and talk specifically about each of the variances and why we're asking for thank you all for your for your time today um so yeah I'll go through the variances real quick um Brandon kind of went through them again so I'm kind of almost kind of repeating them I do want to kind of emphasize too as we spoke about that most of these variances if not all were actually going to be better than what the existing site has currently um so as you go through uh you know looking on the left is the existing fire station on the right the really dark line is kind of the new your dotted pink is your building setbacks um with that said if you know I want to bring up on Brandon talked about it on the west or the left side of the proposed condition uh the little there's just a little piece that's actually not meeting the building setback um you can kind of look on the north um it's a little deceiving on the North because of the second floor your white area the entire Frontage is you got a 1.2 foot setb on the North side existing it's 1.5 pretty similar um in the setback um I think from here you know again uh we can talk about the south we're trying to maintain exactly what the south is um from a setback standpoint um overall when we're looking at and I'll skip to the next one and this goes to the impervious service ratio so on the left the existing is your impervious surface and then on the right between the orange and then also we're looking at proposing impious pavers and some areas uh that'll help bring our impervious surface ratio below or less than what it is existing uh and that kind of goes back to that building setback piece as as we're trying to improve this site overall from the existing condition that it is from the Landscaping side um I think this is just kind of a piece that that that comes about with the size of the building that we're trying to fit um on the on the site we are going to be putting Landscaping Greenery we've even looked at putting uh Greenery on the roof side and we can talk about that if needed um for this building but basically we're trying to use every area that we can to try to meet the code uh for the Landscaping side and then the height to go back um and I think is this where we want to have maybe we can talk a little bit more about okay but um go to the next slide right now we need to FL so um what we've done and we did it in other fire stations is that um we've added another Landing to that Tower so the fire department can use that for training purposes so they actually can do training on site which is very important part of their practice so maybe Adam you can talk a little bit about that good afternoon uh Adam puyer I'm the deputy fire chief here in St Beach currently serving as the acting City man uh acting assistant city manager um just to talk a little bit about the training Tower so what we're trying to accomplish this was we did a um a comprehensive tour of of other fire stations before we uh kind of settled on on this design and one of the things we saw in Captiva was a training Tower it's a very isolated area obviously Captiva Island um kind of similar to Pas a grill um for St P Beach we have over 90 high-rise buildings so that's uh any sto any building that's three stories or above is considered a highrise by the National Fire Protection Association um so although we we hope that we don't have to deal with many structure fires in those buildings it's one of those things we have to train on pretty regularly to make sure we're proficient to uh to act because it's a unique circumstance and it's a complicated one from a fire suppression standpoint currently um in order to train on a on a facility like this we have two options we can go down to Lake magori which is the St Pete um fire and Rescue training facility or we can go to one just uh south of Alon Road up 49th Street which is a County facility uh that's operated by St P college so both of those obviously take us well out of our area and there's also some scheduling issues trying to work in between all the other units are out there so the uh the compromise that we came to was adding this training uh Tower option to this facility so what that will do is it'll keep our firefighters out on the island because otherwise we have to go delayed and obviously delays the response uh to get out here we obviously do keep uh response options out here but it limits them when we have Crews training at other areas so that's what this Tower represents it'll have a um basically have the same you know fire protection systems that you'd have in these high-rise buildings which is a stand pipe so the firefighters will be able to train on on pumping those stand pipes hooking hose connections um carrying hose up those up those stairwells basically all the things that make those type of structure fires unique is why we're we're trying to add this um you know this option to the facility I'm happy to answer any other questions on that and as part of the variance package we're also including the the elevations uh for the building all four sides of the elevation we've also brought with us a scale model so you can see know even with the training Tower and some of the variances that we're asking for We believe We we've done our we've really researched this we've built multiple models we've done a lot of analysis of the existing structures here on Pastor Grill so we believe that this building uh is compatible and that's our goal is to make the building compatible with the context and the character which makes Pastor Grill special you know so um with that I think we can um we're complete with our presentation okay thank you thank you does anyone have questions for the applicant not applicant the vote was what five nothing for the historic board yes yes okay well I are we talking now yes among ourselves oh oh any questions for the applicant no okay I I've got a few then um uh so one is this project funded yeah so I can maybe uh speak to that um to a degree yes it is funded um obviously we suffered some significant damage to the facility as it sits today uh we had about 4ot of water in our current structure so um as as unfortunate that is and you've probably seen the temporary fire station that's set up just south of the Don CeSar but as unfortunate as that is it does open up some funding options uh and possibilities that we're exploring right now um that we we feel pretty good about but that's that's kind of a work in progress we do have a $2 million appropriation from the state uh that we received about a year ago um which we're we're still in the process of we we have that money so that is money that can be spent for it so the rest of it kind of work in progress but again we feel uh pretty comfortable based on the the events that just recently happened that we'll be able to get to that point okay um I appreciate the first of all the the work that you all do um very much and um and also just some of the points that you've made about making some of the things better with Landscaping ISR um obviously as the city part of the city we would love to see our own City be as compliant to our codes as we can be so just such a large transition um let's do the right things right when we do make a commitment to to investing but some of the questions I guess I would have like it looks like we're the drive-through bays are also something that you feel is a absolute requirement to have or that could be something that could be looked at differently to allow you to meet different standards yeah certainly so um you know basically the highest risk thing we do in the fire Services back up those apparatus so anytime we can eliminate a backing scenario we try to do it um we obviously have significant policies in place because if you look nationally that's one of the biggest things one of the biggest incidents with with fire apparatus emergency apparatus is backing is a very high-risk uh maneuver so you know to design a station a modern-day fire station we try to avoid a backing scenario any chance we get uh especially because every time that apparatus leaves it would require it to back in So and I'll just give you from a we basically focus on health and safety not only the firefighters but of the community when we're doing these things that's a very pedestrian friendly area so you always have people on the sidewalk so to circumvent that and to protect protect the community we always have one of the firefighters get out of the vehicle to back them that's just part of our policy but you know in Florida we have rain we have thunderstorm so you know we we try to limit the amount of time that they have to do that so certainly that was the thought process of this design to ensure that doing today though correct we have a pull through pull through Bays right now today as well yeah your trucks command a presence so I feel like pedestrians will pay some some do some don't so and if I could just speak just a couple other things while while I'm up here because you mentioned and you know it is a you know basically a double in the size of a current facility right so um you know some of the things that Todd mentioned uh so well is it it is like for like but it's 1950s versus 2024 and uh you know one of the things we're proud about is the diversity of our Workforce that just wasn't here in 1950s so it allowed some of those uh large sleeping areas shared bathrooms things like that but with the diverse Workforce that we have now we've transitioned to separate sleeping areas for privacy and obviously separate men male and female bathrooms uh in our fire stations we've converted our newest our our newest it was built in 1980 but uh our newest fire station's been converted to those so we do have separate sleeping facilities uh SE separate restroom facilities so that's that's kind of some of the stuff that adds to the size and the scope of this is basically bringing it into compliance with with what's required today and certainly the other aspect of that that Todd mentioned is the number one killers of Fire firefighters right now is cancer um it it's it used to be cardiac related events but it's cancer right now so the station is designed with that in mind so there's there's different areas that basically limit diesel exhaust is a number one contributor to to firefighter cancer um so there's a lot of elements that tries to keep that out of the living quarters and it just you know all those things just add to the size and the scope of the structure unfortunately mhm okay um training so how much does that add to the cost as far as the tower itself so we would have to have the uh and Todd you can speak if I'm if I'm not accurate in this but we had to have that exterior staircase anyway for egress obviously so the only um really addition we did was what Todd said we added one one extra Landing uh and the overhang so you know I don't know I don't have a cost estimate on that to be honest with you but it's a it's a small portion of the actual staircase that from a building sample point I assume a lot of equipment comes with training yeah yeah the building itself the only the fully equip your training facility there yeah the only the only addition to that is that um basically it's going to be a dry stand pipe so it's basically a piping system that has uh uh basically a way that you can feed the water on the bottom and you can pump the water out on the staircase so other than all the other training equipment is what we already have that we would take to those other facilities and utilize yeah so it wouldn't be a a huge cost addition it would actually you know in ways it would be a cost reduction because of the time and the the resources it takes to go to those uh remote facilities and how frequent is training taking place like that so um that kind of training so we go to those facilities minimally each firefighter has to have 18 hours of what's called facilities training so they have to be at at those Advanced structures that they would have to operate in 18 hours a year 18 hours a year per firefighter um we obviously exceed the standard all all this ties into the uh insurance and services office ISO rating so your ISO rating is is basically figured into your homeowners insurance so the lower our rating the better your your insurance rates are in theory um we're currently a two right now uh our goal is to get to a one we we hope that one is the best that you can have nationally it's probably less than 5% of the fire departments nationally have a five uh iso1 and probably less than 10% have an ISO 2 so we're proud of the O2 we won an iso1 so we obviously uh you know train a lot more often than required by that standard okay thanks and how many firefighters work out of this facility so right now minimally there's four there 24 hours a day um the max Staffing right now is five unfortunately the current facility that's that's uninhabitable right now um we basically in order to fit five we had three beds in an area you know probably smaller than this area over here just divided with show shower curtains um so the the temporary facility that we have right now actually has six bedrooms um which is more in line with with what we're looking for here so minimum four Max is five at that facility it would stay that way and just I mean one other question from me I maybe you can talk about apparently there was a plan you presented or the team presented that would have aligned with the city sure requirements and maybe what was what was the tradeoff sure so um and and talk can speak a little bit more on this but there was a option a and an option b this was option A we did have an option b that we felt at the time fit within um the scope and didn't need variances we've we've now found out that it would have needed variances as well so we truly don't have an option right now on the table that would require no variances um my understanding sitting through the historical board meeting and it also went in front of the commission that also voted 5 for this design over option b it was just a a very you know Square structure um didn't really they my understanding is they didn't feel like it fit with the character of the community so they they thought this design uh fit more in line with the character of the community as far as um things we were giving up there were a couple areas uh that we were giving up it it wasn't a a like for like there were some uh accessory areas that weren't able to be included that just because of the size of it okay is that correct yeah I mean I also we would be in order to meet that that other option we would still be back in front of youer variance what this design does do is that it puts all the program all the habitable program outside the bay the Baye have very high ceilings because you need that for the apparatus so when we start putting the program on top of B is that we really start increasing the in this design we community room on the ground floor and then the firefighters above that and left the B on their own without program on top of it once we have to start putting program on top of the Baye which is what we would have to do in another option we would be back in front of you for a height variance for the entire building so that still would require variances okay SP most likely because of where the setbacks are oriented it would it would be off of 20th in order to get three days so when we originally presented it we understood the FR was on passive grill but it's come to our attention that the the primary FR is on in that case there would be you know apparatus constantly turning on 20 we also determined there would be some issues with parking on that option b that we wouldn't have enough parking for for the uh staff that was going to be there so we we did run in again while we thought it was a viable option at the time it really turned out really not to be so okay thank you madam chair if I may um just during the presentation and Dustin this maybe a question for you um looking at the proposed setback we have 8.4 feet in the FR off of pass gr away off the secondary Frontage okay does that include just looking at the floor plan and the model there's that covered front porch area and balcony is that included in that setback because that would be yes that that blue line and it's hard to see the colors is your second story okay the stairs are not included in that setback though coming down to the um sidewalk that's out on passag grill because I'm just looking at the model and it looks like where the wall is right for the building and then the balcony protrudes out further and it's not really showing here but that second floor covers all the way down 20th half right it says but it's it's there but it's not really shown correct all the way down 20th a is that second story that's correct okay because I'm just looking at you're looking at this right here piece here yeah that piece right there so if I'm looking at that bump and then it as we're going south from north to south and then we go to the Bays I see that bump but I'm I think the balcony protrudes out further than the building am I correct so the question and and just Kristen while they're talking about that since we're on that part of the building I wondering about the sidewalk there is it because there's currently a sidewalk on that street right there that is correct yeah and there there is also some utility polls and some things that um during staff when we met were trying to discuss like with parking as uh Adam had mentioned just to make sure we could work within what we currently had or what we'd have to relocate as well so would but where's the is the sidewalk going away in this no the sidewalk would remain was it it's under the roof line then it it would be right outside of that roof line oh okay um unless it's pulled back in alignment with the footprint of the B the building correct so what we're seeing now and gentlemen correct me if I'm wrong but that blue outline the dash that's there that's showing the second floor roof line so when you look at it that second floor which consists of the day room community room that's actually building that that's a wall and how many feet deeper is that going protruding out from the footprint of the building underneath it at that point of 20th Avenue this around yeah I'm looking at this on the chart so what's the difference between where you've got your dark black line out to the Blue Line probably actually using that for parking we parking underneath that volume in the rear in the rear up there on the North Corner perhaps it might be better when to use your floor plan to show you can jump in here too so this is the first floor so you see here that was that Mark you could see on that prior slide that we had up and then there's parking underneath but when you flip it over to the second floor this actually extends all the way back and then you have this little bump out here which was sh but my question was this balcony here in the front when we're looking on previous Slide the 8.4 was it showing from the front property line to here or to here that that was my question is it really theine that would so instead of 8.4 the requested step back would be less meaning they it would be reduced it would be like four or they want to they're even going for a further variance then POS yes correct I just don't know the specifics of the or they're changing the size of the balcony correct okay so you can change the size of the balcony to 8.4 what's the hardship of that I'll let them answer that my my assumption is it's the the Ada ramp that comes up that that was kind of tied into some of that size uh necessi so there's an ADA ramp that comes up from the parking area on the north side of the building so I would assume that would be affected by by cutting that back and I wish I had a pointer but I'd really love to know what's the difference in how many feet are between that furthest point of the dark black that is pointing out to 20th Avenue and your blue line overhang on the floor above how much of an overhang is that on that furthest point so what if you lose 5et all across the top and you align it with the lower part of the building you're asking from here this black line yes to the blue that's right correct okay one challenge is to get to the uh citizens to the first occupiable war they're going to be transversing St adding that balcony overhang was to help protect the steps so that they're not getting rained on as they're entering that portion building there's fewer steps um exposed to Sky in our case um moving it back there's basically the entire length steps would have to be completely open to the r just potential we try to avoid if we help it we have to carry continue noce okay I'm not I'm I don't know any other thoughts on this one making it less in general I'm not even seeing the balcony on this drawing so I'm not sure here so in how that could is impacting how heavy this building is going to feel on top of everybody on 20th Avenue but less than what they're currently asking for and they just add to on the 20th Avenue you can see the existing building is your 1.5 ft from the r ofo line essentially and what we're asking for is this is only soste ask so it's small smaller variance that they're asking for so you don't have to re notice it it's without why do you need that why don't you just at least stick with your existing setback so then you have to do you do have to Ren notice it I think it came down to just making sure that you know there's a certain size of rooms and and you can speak to this maybe a little B better but generally speaking when you got your door openings your hallways there's minimum size we're talking about inches yes I would and you could stick with your existing setback we would make that work you could make that work we could make that work next month we could um any other comments our questions we could continue it but if uh did we address the uh Brandon mentioned about uh the green the green roof green roof yeah are there any issues from the applicant's perspective about um the requirements for the The Green Roof the sustainable demands of just having you provide that think it all goes or some type of additional Frontage Landscaping so they've got one request with all as specified yes I mean I we always try to design the most sustainability we can sometimes it comes with a cost but yes we're all about designing sustainable buildings so were we considering that to be a condition Brandon yes for this yes and what did you and what does it mean to this design to make it green it's not as presented a change to what's presented that would be an additional design detail that's presented at site plan um okay so part of the lead certification the sustainable site sub criteria it's not mandatory for lead silver certification but elements like green roofs cool roofs additional Landscaping things like that those are all calculated in those criteria so one and two were somewhat tied together the recommended conditions but that those would be achieved through site plan if it's approved so relative to us I just have any Dimensions is there some consideration that we need to vote on relative to that uh the the three recommended conditions would be you know of course I'm also member of the city you know working for City staff but um those would be recommended conditions of approval if the board moves I don't feel like I would know what I'm really voting for understand do do you know what this is it looks like an arbor yeah I'm just curious what on the as I'm looking at it the left side what is that yeah there was a comment made during the technical Review Committee if we could provide um because we are asking for a variance for the Landscaping if we can provide some sort of greenery groes on the roof um so that's what we're proposing is that we would provide um green some sort of green space on the roof so right now it is a it's a an area it's an accessible area that's accessible from the Second Story you can access the roof there'll be an arbor or a trellis onto it and there'll be some opportunity for green more Greenery is that your understanding of what the city's thought is as far as the green roof yes okay Brandon is that correct okay okay so there's three conditions outlined um and this 20th Avenue setback remaining at 1.5 feet there any other discuss topics can I add one that I for the add to the record for the just to make sure I get it right the East Side setback the existing setb of course was 21 ft um we're asking for it to be instead of the 8.4 to be three to accommodate the balcony on the second floor three three feet set pack or what's the implication of leaving it at 8.4 then you don't have coverage for some of the walking on the stairway correct okay [Music] okay so Madame Vice chair um we do have an issue then concerning adding a variance at this meeting um without the notice being provided okay and on your model there I guess it would mean there's no roof over that balcony on the blowout on the yeah there trying to visualize what we're talking about on your model can you point it that this this basically would be pulled back I think to here there probably wouldn't be a balcony on the second floor um and then the coming out the front you would have a short area I mean of course and we we were going to fit inside that I'm sure this would be redesigned somewhere in the middle we'd have to lose space on the inside to make it work but we' have since that we had cover coming out of the building I guess based on the requested setback can is this something you can make work with the current design in the balcony do you want us to proceed with today I I think we need some um I think the attorney needs to inform us exactly what we need to do if we're making already making a modifications to the variants that we submitted for um and responding and saying that we're going to modify our variance application is would this not be this would why would this be different I guess is what I'm saying I need some because it appears that you're changing the um the amount of the variance to greater than has been noticed and and advertised so your options would be to go ahead and have a continuance of this hearing and read vertise with the additional variants that you need for the balcony um alternatively you could um withdraw your application at this point and resubmit the whole thing um and just either way I think you're going to end up coming back um to request that additional approval okay Nancy I thought they were decreasing the amount of variants they're asking for my understand they haven't really asked for it so in looking at that as a secondary front 15 ft is required they requested a setback of 8.4 ft right from the testimony presented today they're looking for a 3ot secondary front yard set back ah so unless you feel like there's a design that works with 8.4 then you need to either resubmit or do a continuance so if we do a continuance we would just have to read notice for that hearing with the revised setback for that is is there any information that you want to share as far as the next step and um you know having now to to delay your um possible approval moving forward what is the impact of that I need to a second to talk to my client if I catch can they look at the I mean it was up there I didn't know if anybody want look at the I think we'd prefer it just to do a continuance if we can okay so it'll be a continuance with a Reen notice of the additional variance that is needed for the balcony area is it a a an additional variance that we needed or we're revising the original variance we're we're revising our original request to a Vari we can we can uh word it that way that would be fine I think everyone is clear however on on what's actually happening and in the need and it's better to go ahead and get it done and get it done correctly and agree you know move on I'd love to have you suggest when you bring that need in help us to more visually see how that impacts the actual pedestrian and area that you're talking about okay so so that as a community as they may look at your testimony next time not just us but everyone kind of gets a better sense of why that's either really critical in value or a hardship that we ought to be looking at I I really appreciate that in fact if we're going to come back I'd like to I don't know if the board can tell us if there's anything that we need to address in this continuance that would be helpful for us so if there's any other concerns that you have that we need to address or can address to make you feel more comfortable um I know we're requesting I mean hardships I think you you're walking through the the opportunity to improve a service also to improve a facility for our firef Fighters and then I want it to also of course we we all want it to be a part of our community that we enjoy you know and and navigating and Visually being able to feel like this makes you know our neighbor feel like a place we were're excited to to be a part of too so I think you touched on a lot of those things and so whatever you can continue to contribute to that discussion I think that's what we would be focusing on we covered most of the ground I think today except for that one so appreciate that so Madame Vice chair um speaking with Kristen um there are two uh possible meetings your uh your item could be continued to um the first being uh November 20th and the second being a date in December which is December 18th so would November 20th be sufficient to gather the information that's being requested yes um we may have a little advertising issue we will shoot for the 20th if that is part of the motion for the continuance um and that way if there is an advertising issue that comes up um because using the typical deadlines uh the deadline was yesterday to get to start that advertising um but that would give you the December meeting as a fallback that sounds great thank you okay okay so we need a motion to continue this case to a date certain I'll make a motion to continue case uh 24061 1950 pass grow away to the November 20th 20th board meeting I'll second okay roll call member core yes member small yes member clazy yes Vice chair Gara yes motion carries thank you okay I think then we have a uh progress update for our next case of 23072 27 pass the gr away oh did I skip one no I did not okay good that's correct okay good afternoon everybody good afternoon um okay so yeah we are here on a a a progress report um I guess we'll do a quick introduction my name is Kyle bass I'm Council for uh red white and booze and the columns uh who are down at the restaurant right now cleaning after the storms um and so I'm covering today uh we also have a new contract here John um if there's any questions about permits and things or the project itself he should be up to speed on that he is relatively new to the team um and so um he may be able to answer some of those questions for you but the the Crocs of the of the uh progress report is good news we as of yesterday have our permit so we've been completely approved by the City by zoning by building so we have an open permit for the plan as it was designed and as it was in front of you all in April okay and you had some conditions right that you were also going to be addressing correct yes uh well um so by virtue of having the per thank you that's exciting um sorry pause for the I appreciate that we all are in line for permits so yes um that's it's nice it's nice to have in hand um the conditions of the hardship uh variants four of them could not have been compli can't be compli IED with really until the issuance of or until we get the project built um ADA Compliant for example obviously that is pursuant to the plans and that we have every intention of building pursuant to the plans um same with um the the um the front waiting area um uh that's not going to be utilized for service of food drinks uh no music I believe was one of the other conditions on there um and then we've also submitted as part of getting the permit a an updated uh Landscaping plan that had passed uh was approved by Landscaping with the city um that was as recently as last week I believe um so all that's been approved uh we also have um recorded which was an interesting process to kind of get done the United or uh Unity of title rather um I think we referenced it uh unified site plan um the city and I work together the the then City attorney uh previous City attorney Mr McConnell um and I worked closely on that uh got that done and got that uploaded to the permit as well um that cannot be recorded in panel's County interestingly enough um I actually spoke with penel County and they uh were unsure about what a Unity of title was so we did get that recorded though through the permit process so when you pull the permit up it is is sitting there as part of uh what got the permit issued um and then the only other condition was the the the um requirement of being back back here for a progress report and that was within 12 days um however we've uh we working closely with the city to to try to make sure we got as far as possible on this um and we had agreement with I think then Vice chair Chase um that the October date would be um an acceptable date to come back yeah this is great um but I thought there was one other which was parking wasn't there parking that was sticking out into the sidewalks that so yes and and uh good question so yes there was parking that was sticking out however that's been previously remedied um so there is no longer that issue and then there was an issue with the northern part of the of the parcels and that parking is going to be addressed when it's relined um as the city requested and approved in their plan okay so you're saying the parking infringing on sidewalks has been remedied correct yes ma'am okay any did we get everything covered I'm I'm trying to understand the second part of this and forgive me for not why does it say that um this the board May modify or revoke the variants I don't understand what the reason for the caveat is that we um we had approved the variance and there was a condition of addressing certain things so this was a progress report not thinking we be able to accomplish everything in a three was it about three months ago or uh I think it was It was supposed to be 120 days but here we are right okay so that's why uh this gentleman's back and giving us an update on the progress to remedy some of the things and continue to make progress so this isn't a I don't think this is a decision to well I mean we could revoke today the varians if we didn't feel like good faith efforts were being made that's my understanding yes so at this point um unless that's something that this board feels concerned with um the only thing I mean I'm very familiar with this property I've eaten there in its previous Incarnation and the current one as well um is it not true that there was an issue with the loud music being played and that the owner was continuing to pay the fines until finally I was told this by my commissioner at the time they put the volume control into a box that that you g you don't have the key to because nobody trusted that he wouldn't turn the music back up loud you don't know about that well that's no I I did happen that though pardon me I could speak to that because I was at the commission hearing I believe that that that that was brought up um that was part of the conditions that were brought up by the commission at the time the Box and then the key being in control of somebody with the city um I believe the attorney at the time it was I think Andrew Dickman was there um he advised against that um and ultimately that condition did not pass but I can say that I don't really feel extremely comfortable going too in depth on the sound issue that is the pending lawsuit between us in the city between red white and Boo in the city regarding the sound itself I do see that coming to resolution shortly though in short order well the reason I asked that is because I think that there's been some issue about trust with the owner and the city and I just that's why I ask about this and I think hence there's the progress report so um I guess at this point we can um continue you maybe you can advise um attorney but we can ask for an an additional progress report and another 120 days and continue to maintain the conversation as things progress you read my mind yes that is an option that you have um to do that or as you mentioned earlier if if you feel that the commiss the condition has not been satisfied um but it it does look like they have made progress um so you know changing your mind on the variance at this stage would would be a little bit sticky yeah okay so do we have to make a motion for a progress report or we just make a statement that we would request to have a file um the original um the original variance that you had I believe had that 120 days um I think I don't know if um if you're authorized to go ahead and agree to uh to coming back am and just letting them know how things are progressing uh yes I'm I'm authorized to make to confirm that to AG to that um and I I would agree to that as well and we also have the the current like I said we have the the current the new contractor um here today so if there were any questions about how or when this project was was going to start or was planning on starting um that could happen as well or we can just come back at the 120 day Mark so is is the 120 days um four months is that reasonable or do you want it longer or do you want it shorter this would be the time to I think under those circumstances and Holiday that I would think 120 days feels reasonable and appropriate and so that would be when roughly February that's what I was just doing and the February meeting is well we just approved the 2025 dates so that would be February 26th is that agreeable to the board yes yes do we want to go ahead and agree to just have it put on the the February 26 docket now so we don't have to okay perfect okay okay thank you K thank you thank you see you in February 26 okay sounds great happy holidays and um finally uh case number 2442 3700 GF Boulevard so we have the applicants attorney present for this one I know she has a short presentation I just wanted to give an update on this just as we did for the previous case this was not a condition of the board but back in February the board approved a new what was then a vacation rental town home style development at 3700 Gulf Boulevard since then the applicant has proposed a town home style residential development that did go to the city commission a a little over a month ago I believe and that was denied and I've been in discussions with them since I believe they're planning to go forward with a condo style doesn't change the look of the building the style of the building or anything like that um but that is something that is permitted by code and they would be able to proceed on in an administrative fashion I wanted to bring it back because the design has changed one of the two conditions that were included with the approval was that the uh design remained the same I don't considered a substantive change there hasen't been any additional encroachments the structure is not any taller um it really relates to the color some of the design elements and the location of the balcony walkouts in the front of the structure so I just wanted to to bring it back um the applicant does have a presentation to show the differences in the design so Brandon just to clarify there is no variance changes this is just an update on the look and feel based on the change got it hi good afternoon Katie Cole with the law firm of Hill Ward Henderson representing the applicant as Mr Barry said um the staff asked us to bring this back to you the uh project itself started as vacation rentals with under a prior uh developer and after discussions with the neighborhood with the Don CeSar Property Owners Association the developer chose uh to move forward with a single family home ownership pro project instead uh there was some delay because the desire was to sell this as a town home project and the code uh has a quirk in the code for the zoning District that didn't allow the for sale product to be platted and so uh that went forward as a text Amendment the city council chose not to proceed with that uh text Amendment and nevertheless it's still moving forward as a condominium form of ownership which is permitted under the code and the changes that are proposed are specific to an owner owned project and residing U excuse me an owner residence as opposed to a vacation rental so I can walk through real quickly the changes and highlight those to you and and I'd defer to the City attorney if we're seeking a formal motion today or simply making sure that there's not an object objection so what I understand is that there's actually no change to the dimensions that were previously approved and I don't know that there's not really even a change to a condition I think it was just an update as to the condition is a yeah that's my understanding is just so everybody's on the same page as this this project has kind of morphed a little bit and the board was very um interested in certain design characteristics and aspects like none of that is being changed with this but we want to make sure uh staff has you on the up and up of of things that are happening so what would you propose as far as a documentation of it um so they have you have an approved variance um and this is just a information to supplement it I I'm not certain I'm not either we had this conversation earli I I guess I would suggest um they're not necessarily approving the modifications that you've made correct so it's really just an informational item correct I think from the applicant standpoint we would we would not want there to be an issue when we move forward to for building permits for somebody who if there was somebody who's not here today you know that was processing the permit to determine that it is inconsistent with what the board had proposed but I would think that the minutes of this meeting would suffice but I don't know so perhaps the the offer of your presentation your your testimony um and the letter that you've provided um that they accept it into the record and then it would be a fix to this particular variance that that would be sufficient for us so just basically doing your presentation and then if there could be a motion to accept it into the refer into the record for this property um that would give you know some type of historical and documentation of it thank you we would appreciate that thank you um okay so this is the proposed I do have copies of this if anybody would prefer to have it paper fine um this is the proposed building um as it is proposed today uh for those that are unfamiliar with the location it's Smiley's uh Snack Shack it's one of the few uh resident uh multif family type of Des zoning designations it's in the joh Cesar area here other than the joh Cesar itself um you can see the pink building is what was approved in February and the white building is what's approve is proposed today the changes specifically as um you can't really see this very well as uh Mr Barry said was the balcony was moving from the second floor to the fourth floor and and uh the windows have changed a bit and the undulations or the architectural details at the roof line um the balcony change is specific to the interior changes of the building so when this was a vacation rental there was a much smaller kitchen proposed now that it's uh proposed to be an owner occupied product there's a more traditional owner OCC you know larger kitchen and so that is the interior design uh necessitated that um this is the site plan U that accompanies it this was the basis of the variances in the past that were approved in February and here's the revised elevation so you can see more specifically the movement of the balcony from the second floor immediately above the garage to the fourth floor with the windows there um at the board meeting in February for those of you who were not here there was a lot of discussion about the garages ensuring that there's twocc car garage that's obviously all remaining um a minimum of two cars would fit in the garages uh and and really this I think shows the best chain change so uh we're happy to answer any questions um excuse me there's really it's the color and the balcony so we we're happy we're happy to come back and and have you all see this and um anxious to move forward with the project so do you have any questions concerns I hate to ask if there's concerns I don't like to ask questions I don't know the answer to discussion today okay well I'd make a motion to um to receive this as a our review and enter it into the record for case number 24042 37 and go we can second that motion member Cy yes member core yes member small yes Vice chair Gara yes motion carries thank you thank you all very much okay unless there's anything else nothing else we just have our meeting which the only application now will be the fire station otherwise we would have been uh cancelling that meeting would be for the 20th of November okay thanks Kristen of course all right then um make a motion to adjourn second all in favor I I I thank you oh okay there you go there you take my opportunity