all right so you have the very ambitious goal plan um in front of you uh reminder that this was something that the commission had requested at the end of last year for us to work on in fact all committees my understanding is probably we're the only committee that's actually
doing something requested um because I did ask what was the next step once we formulate uh our plan does it go to commission to get approval then etc i understand Ariana's told me that if we want to request more frequent meetings it's
something we can put in here to establish or more workshops um workshops don't necessarily need approval um but I think after once we complete this we can just hand it to the commission and just say this is what our goal is and you
know see how much we can accomplish during the year i still question um you know who on the staff's side is going to be your liaison for this but in the interim I'm here for you if you don't mind um do you can you do you have or
can you ask kind of what's their process and timeline um who's the director the new director of public Camden Mills camden I believe it's going to they kind of reorganized some things and beach maintenance and responsibilities under
public services now like that just what's his process and kind of general timeline um I know you're in being the liaison but your full-time job is code enforcement right and ultimately as we are working on these
goals not that we don't want you but you know the long-term owner of this would be more appropriate to be collaborating with us right we just I I don't know if you guys agree with this i'm assuming
this is a workshop we can be more informal in this conversation i mean I I would love to keep Ayako as long as we could because I feel like she has a lot of knowledge about where we've been but yeah I mean for the future it makes sense to have the new person involved responsibility authority and
accountability right that's leaving we want to where is it going because otherwise we can have all the best plans in the world but if we don't have staff alignment that has accountability responsibility and authority nothing's going to get done that's fine okay i I can certainly ask that question
from from your from all of you was there a request made that we're supposed to be providing a formal document back to the city commission what was actually requested of the committee there was no second you know follow-th through comment on what was supposed to happen that's why I asked the clerk's office
once we produce this document what happens and um they said well we should bring it back to the the commission and they can review it approve it for because if we do want to add additional meetings that's something that has to get approved I understand by the commission workshops do not we could
schedule as many workshops as we want but if we want additional meetings that has to be approved yeah so actually what I did is as I was thinking I I looked at the ordinance that created us which is the link on our our page and it does say that we shall have meetings quarterly it
doesn't say shall have meetings a minimum of quarterly so that does mean that we would have you know we have our official meeting quarterly but it also says that we can schedule meetings when we see necessary and it provides the means to do that if that's the case I don't know we should confirm that with
the clerk but John I think if that's the way it's written then we don't need commission it it says special meetings may be called and held upon the request of the chairman city commission city manager by any three of the five regular members subject to 24 hours notice so what that means to me is that you know
we can go back to the commission and ask that they change the ordinance 22-306 uh B that calls for the quarterly ones um or you know we could make sure we maintain our quarterly schedule and then say well we are going to introduce
a second meeting every quarter that's a special meeting as needed you know but you know as needed but we anticipate uh a second meeting each quarter but the idea I think of the ordinance and the intent of the ordinance I think is they don't want to overwhelm the public
perhaps with too many meetings or other people that this is this is an organization that's supposed to meet quarterly and unless the ordinance change that's really the intent of this organization and the people that volunteer for it i'm not I'm not speaking for everybody i mean I'm just saying I mean I'm okay with coming to
extra meetings but the intent of this committee is as written in the ordinance currently um and that's probably why they have that the other thing I was thinking was that um when it talks about powers and duties it gives the two powers
a uh you know you do what you need to to do what you do the the the duties and B committee shall review information relating to the ongoing beach nourishment efforts throughout the city so that's your first thing and C the committee shall evaluate information
relating to the preservation and maintenance of the public beaches in St pete Beach and make recommendations to the city commission regarding these matters so those were our two things we do so I was thinking maybe we map or as we go through the the list that I put
together just you know sort of tie it to one of those two things and I just want to I don't want to get too far off topic but I think that BNC you know when you consider that we're responsible for beach nourishment and preservation and maintenance of the public beaches you
know providing input that when we get done with this we should certainly have a mechanism where these things can happen where the the city commission knows they should come to us for recommendations that we and that we and that if they redefine what a public beach is they might talk to us about it
first because it's the key to what we do um and then do those kind of things i agree u if you guys I think we just jump in is that okay and just that was my first thoughts i would just and I think the request is
also that we align up with at least in this current round of goals that they've asked us for is to line up with their three stated priorities of um internal operations resiliency and infrastructure
which I think resiliency is going to be the big big one um for us but I agree with everything i would just add on uh at least for what I think the commission asked the committees to do is to align to these priorities i I'd
put what you said John and put that layer on top of it and I think we're that's the problem we're trying to solve today who added internal operations resilient infrastructure in this paragraph at the top where did that come from those were the three goals that the commission said that they actually took
a priority that was their priority for the whole city they asked each one individually i mean I watched it but I don't remember yeah December correct or they were trying to set their priorities as a commission to communicate to the city uh because of you know our city manager
has been and I agree with um there you know you can do a hundred things poor or you know focus on three or five things great and she's been very very consistent and trying to focus so we can
actually get something done and I think that's what drove the priority conversation right so if we just want to take each item start with the first one and any changes comments or anything i would just ask at the end of this session yeah
what do we want to have done you know what does success look like for us that we can say "Hey great let's go get a cup of coffee." That's a question well I feel like at the end where it had the timeline I feel like if we feel good
about that timeline and we actually feel like these are all things that will happen then I'll feel good like if we actually know these are we've got steps to make these things reality um which some of it like the beach ordinance that's out of our that's not on our list anymore but um I thought
this was good how they had this timeline at the back i don't know who that got structured but that goes back I the reason I asked the question on who will be our liaison and what's the structure of the beach committee or the beach um staff
organization is none of that can get done until we actually have staff yeah well and we're almost past the first quarter so we're already actually I don't know how to get these done yeah well I don't want to jump ahead to that i was going to make when we got to the last section I would say it all should be pushed back a quarter because it's
already Q2 right but I I do feel like having a timeline is really important or things won't happen i I' I'd like to see this chart you know this document i I made some edits you know last night and but I'd like to also tie it to the the
two initiatives whether it's you know it's probably pretty easy but make sure either when we're done or as we're going whether it ties to the beach nourishment item or it ties to the you know the recommendation mechanism of you know public public uh beach and just what
we're doing i mean it should be pretty easy to say that but I'm not sure that it's fleshed out right then what you know this is just focusing on the goal area itself we will have to have follow-on
meetings to actually flesh all of these out with staff and again goes back to my question of are we doing this and handing it to staff or does staff want to be a part of this because they're ultimately going to
implement it so are we Where's the line in the past it's the staff would come to us right are we going to cross that line and we then review what staff is doing or are we going to create the work product hand it
to staff saying "Go get it done." And that's there's a line there i don't I'm not debating one way or the other it's just we have to Well that's probably a question for the public ser public services and potential to the city manager
on how they want to staff this and do they want to let us go without any because we can go i don't know if they want that because I have ideas and I've got specific ideas and you know some of them
but we are an advisory committee that's where I can't give people marching orders you know we can't we can suggest we can suggest to the commission that the commission didn't tell the staff but my personal belief is
working with staff hand in hand if they're able to do it would be the better answer agreed um I just don't know if the staff is or their capacity in the staff to do it well line that we're talking about even even the even the city commission
only can set policy it's really this you know the city manager and the staff that determines how things are done sure so you know even the city you know there's limits to what the city commission could dictate but you know maybe if we go through you know like this first bullet
I think is an perfect example of what we're talking about because for where it says public meeting agendas it says relevant agenda items should be highlighted discussed during the monthly committee meetings and that to me is is not what I'm looking for i'm looking for relevant agenda items should be
forwarded immediately um and time should be given so that this beach stewardship could could contribute or provide feedback for any items coming before the city commission uh that would ensure that the committee stays involved in the ongoing
policy debates okay so the agenda is um has a deadline one week prior to the meeting so until that one week prior we don't really know what's going to be discussed so then for us in that week before they meet to meet ourselves I I
think it's crazy and and I think it's crazy that uh that this is how we're we're we're trying to work because I ended up finding out on a Wednesday night or a Thursday night that you know it was a Thursday night that all of a sudden Tuesday night there was going to
be a first reading of a beach ordinance that hadn't been touched for six months and I'm like how do we deal with that do we call an emergency meeting uh but what I did find out is that there is some sort of newsletter that the city manager puts out every week that does discuss
what's going on uh you know it goes internally i I don't see it but I believe some people do and that that gives some insight into like what's coming so that there are a few weeks notice that hey this is what I'm planning this is what's planning to be on the table at each of the upcoming
meetings so it's not totally out of love it wasn't not everybody was as surprised as I was um I do have access to that that uh newsletter that comes out weekly and it's more a list of accomplishments
of each department that's done each week and at the last section there is um the next commission meeting who's going to be speaking on what topic sort of thing so an abbreviated agenda if you will so so maybe there's a few days more notice but not a lot yeah um so I mean and this
is not on the city staff this is partly on the city commission but again there's a way that before that this happens I mean never was there communication to the to the and this is not about you but we need to I think in
this item we want to make it that there's when the public meeting agenda does come out someone because I I didn't want to do it i didn't want to just start doing a a a shade conversation but someone should when there's a public meeting agenda for the city commission for instance it's going to be directly
about the beach communicate that to the entire beach stewardship committee and say "Hey this is going to be on the agenda FYI." Okay so that'll be one week it will be in those five days prior to the commission meeting or or when there's an
inkling of it from the newsletter or maybe we can get we can get people to start thinking about it because obviously it wasn't a surprise to the attorney and everyone else working on that stu that that first reading didn't come out from nowhere there was a commissioner surprised there were people
working on that who I don't know who wrote that but that would be the key question who who ran where did some someone was working on that and didn't didn't I think it's no they should involve us that's a good example and as I looked at this and I really have
thought about this and maybe it's let's step back and talk about what do the things we think the city manager and staff should be making us aware of and not because again there's a line I don't want to
know every time there is a a ticket being given to somebody write writing a you know that has a dog or does something But it would be interesting just to see the trend over a quarter so I'm interested like that but I don't need to know that in real time or near
real time so maybe a part of the goal is for us to step back and because ultimately it's a we're this is a request to the city manager saying "Can you please keep us involved or keep us informed about certain things?" for
example and I thought the beach the beach um ordinance was one that surprised everyone there was one uh you know another example is they went out to RFP for beach walkovers on the public
beaches in January February wow you don't just do that you know that that's something that goes directly to our charter the maintenance um and preservation of the public beaches um an RFP just doesn't come out
a week before they were thinking about um that could be an example of hey beach stewardship and I don't know if they said told the committee but hey just let you know um this is coming out now I don't know if I feel the need to
actually review an RFP in this position or not but it would be nice to be able to know that hey we're we're asking for or we have money and we're going to go spend it on the public beach that's just yet another example the beach stewardship or the beach ordinance is
one example an RFP is another example but where's the line that we say hey anything that's going to happen seaw word of the CCCL that could be something right what's the set of criteria and maybe that's what we
chew on when we build this out is where do we want to be involved in real time or close real time and what should be reported back well you're probably wanting to be um brought into the conversation prior to the RFP going out because that has a
very specific scope of work that they're going to be asking for them to get quotes on yeah yeah and we don't want to interfere we don't want to they they have a job to do but if if before they even did the RFP they were like "Well what's important to you guys with regard
to these crossovers?" just more like a policy discussion because they're the guys that are going to write the RP if we're involved in like you you know getting out there these are the environmental concerns let's talk about what's going for ad not through ad all those kind of those are the topics to
cover before early in the process now so the flip side I'm sorry go ahead I was going to say when that went out did they have to contact US Fish and Wildlife I mean did they have to make a contact with anyone because they were
disturbing the dune like if there if there's a situation where the dune is disturbed served it'd be nice if we were included so that way we can make sure kind of just roundabout you've done this this and this right you're not doing this i don't know i read the RFP and it included is they the person who wins the
bid has to go get permits so this is how much will it cost to do it and then you also in that cost you're responsible for getting permits so So maybe permits are involved then that it's a trigger i'm trying to think is there a trigger when we should say hey let us see well we
won't be getting the permits the the contractor would be on behalf of the city on behalf of the city gets the permit right but that's too late almost in the process for you involved I guess I'm just trying to figure is there a trigger that would trigger us to say this might be impactful that's the cword
of the CCCO yeah that covers a lot because most of up from all the passive grow from the Seaw word is the CC um up beach paradise
is a little east of it little east of that but I don't know something we have to solve today but you know back to your point is where or my point is where's the line of what we're going to request and what should be expected of the city
to keep us in and where do we want to insert ourselves in decision- making where we want to be you know where do we want to be uh consultative to this to the staff in terms of decision when do we just want to
know we just want to know what's going on so we just need to find that line that's it so I know that they're also walkin on rebuilding the seaw wall down at Pasigril right towards the more southern end where it got damaged oh
over by the pier right so they're going to build a more significant seaw wall there so that's already underway and and you know meeting with meeting with contractors and stuff like that so it's a dog beach over there no I think this is around the corner this is the beach facing this beach side dog beach isn't
that beach no no on the regular beach though pass girl sorry pass yes south Pass yes yeah but there's Yeah there's one where again we don't want to be slowing things down but but like how can we what input
is important where is there input well let's let's look at that for an example in fact they brought that out in the recovery meeting that we had they were talking about that a lot so they need to put some kind of a new wall there so what is our where would we come in on that i
mean we're not engineers that know how to Well you are but you know I'd like to know about it and I'd like to know where they were putting them but um show the design right i mean is where the public show the public what the new design is
maybe I'm sure they would have to do that yeah the be part of it one the next one of the ones coming up is a the the beach strategy um I'm not trying to cut ahead but
you're hitting it you're hitting it you know kind of I envision there is just as there is specifications for seaw walls why they need to be how they need to be constructed we should have the same specification for dunes how when if we
if we have public beach and then private beach could be could leverage this because we'll publish that out when you do a a cup and Each dune restoration is um a part of that they have to build to these standards because there's no
standards right now but how high should a dune be how should the walkovers how do you do public you know access how do you uh how do you put what kind of plants go on there which would be seats in the front and or sea grapes in the back to plant that down those should all
be and perhaps the wall behind it holding it back could be a part of those specifications that the city would develop and publish that then we would all know and we're not reviewing it so when the next storm
comes this is what we would expect to be done now Pastor Grow just got renourished it got put to a level i don't know how that level was decided but I'm assuming that there was some sense of engineering or purpose on how
high they put that sand on South Pass john Bishop would have determined that yeah at the county county or Army Corbin somebody did so the answer is there let's just put that and that should be the standard across
all and could be a part of a standard um for to be reviewed and then we have an answer a repeatable process and an answer that we can go to and the safe you know then you look at why isn't up
beach there so when we that gets renourished which is in desperate need of being renourished um we would work with them to get that to that high and then the walkovers would go over just thinking out loud well and you know what i think that I went I went
there from the hey you got to put up a wall but that's a part of a whole Dune system to hold that we should we should be working with the staff to develop the standards for them well I think the
whole concept of the holistic approach you know everything is kind of together like that and so yeah I think we have opportunities to give our opinions yeah so Brandon Barry would be the planner that would determine and you
know approve all cups and stuff like that don't get caught up on that that was just I know but I'm just saying I I my I think my understanding is correct that any new development is required to put like a 10 10 foot up to 10 foot high dune build a 10 foot dune wow i asked
him um back when there those expansions were going I think I it was him and he said the standards would come from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and I tried to find from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection what their standards were and I didn't have any success so I don't
think there's a specific answer i would love it to be 10 ft that would be a great answer that would be very very I seem to recall that was proposed at one time i don't know whether it's been codified or not but yeah well then you would have triggers as to when is
reourishment needed because you would know what the standard is and so if you had a below threshold you could say this area is in need of reourishment because you would have a standard that you're below and I believe Penelis County has that yeah I would think so i believe they do yeah the county right i would
think that we'd be looking at the county and the state and that committee i think this almost is almost subcommittee work i mean to be focused on figuring out you know what this should be you know as a as a because this also even ties into are you are you trying to build a
barrier on the beach side to hold the water back because if you have little openings you know the water's all going to go through there and just wash everything away so we have is this like to create a continuous barrier and then is that how do you tie that in with the height of our streets and the height of
the seaw walls on the other side or is this just you know this is a bigger it is but we can like you said holistic we control this the seaw wall on the west I call dune seaw walls right we can control that because we're already
putting standards for the east and seaw wall is there and yet people are going right when you put in seaw wall and you have a dock you don't cut a hole that than your seaw wall to be able to walk through it you've got something to go over that's a doom walk over right so how do we how do we go through all that
yeah so I wonder how this this height of these dunes relate to the height of the seaw walls on the other side of the island well and I'm curious where we've lost so much dune like specifically on blocks M&N what is the area of where the dune
was because the city I'm guessing those are city benches to when I walk out on the beach I feel like they're halfway into where the dune system used to exist and so I'm curious has that been a survey delineated space that we have to go back and say well this is where the
dune starts and this is where the dune ends so first that's private property not public just so we're all right yeah sorry but we do have a survey I am a board member for the nonsar property owner corporation there is a survey that where the vegetation stopped before so
we know where it was then it's kind of debate of because oh we had these beautiful dunes I don't know if you've been to Eminem it was fantastic dune system one of the best in Penllis County um that got flattened out but there's vegetation coming back yeah so you have
the sandy beach and that's where the no vegetation is and then there's where you start seeing sea os coming up that's technically called the dunes but it's flat so well and I guess I'm just Florida Department of Environmental Protection puts it's once that
vegetation starts that's doom where where there's no vegetation that's sandy beach well I guess I'm thinking about the entirety of the beach because I guess in my mind the holistic is public private public private public private so that's what we have going up and down the beach but you really have
to like consider it all as one beach correct like in your mind but then but I'm just curious like do we know like it's not really marked well like where like I know down in Pasro they've marked it but the rest of the beaches really aren't delineated where the the
dune used to start i don't know i guess I'm curious delineation of the dune and I think there's a lot right now until we can get it fixed you know they're all just getting trampled so which gets back to what we've seen done down at Pass they put a rope and fence
on the a little bit of north but all the way down on the south which is very helpful that deliates they hated it because I I was down there and I couldn't even tell where the dune started because it was sand and then more sand and it was like what do you mean people were trampling
the dune i would how would you know not to walk on it uh yeah and someone posted how many days until hurricane season starts i mean that's the thing it's like you're on this timeline of this is really a first quarter need and we're already almost the end of first quarter
so I don't it's for down the pass through in my opinion is they did the great first step of putting the rope and post fence up right now the unfortunate is there wasn't the funds or the plant material available to actually do the planting of sea oats on the front and
sea grapes in the back yeah and the reason I if you actually go to North Pass where that where the dune stayed in place what was there sea grapes in the back and the sea oats in the front held the sand where on the south side it just
had been renourished and there was nothing down and it just went right over and the in the the north end those plants were put in in 85 and 86 it took that long to get where they are today so
let let me just bring us back a little bit though because the the committee should review information relating to the ongoing beach nourishment efforts throughout the city so if if this relates to beach nourishment you know dunes is dunes beach nourishment you know I think beach nourishment is you
know all the stuff we've never been involved with other than we get a we get sometimes an update but beach nourishment is you know trying to find out all the legal issues and all the things that are stopping getting that nourishment to occur where they suck the sand from one place and bring it to
another place that to me is beach nourishment and that's that to me is beach nourishment period uh that's dunes is not beach nourishment dunes is beach protection and that would be part of C which is committee shall evaluate information related to the preservation
and maintenance of the public beaches in St pet Beach and make recommendations to the city commission regarding these matters and and I I say that because I think there was some objection even earlier meeting you know what's a public beach because I think we were talking about things and somebody well that's you know that's me and and but the thing
is I think that there's many ways to look at the word public beach and it depends on the context that's being used i think when you're referring to um activity on the beach you know that's one way is is like is the public using
the beach is it public activity on the beach but then when you get into like land use rights and and and and who owns the actual doom well there you start now you're out of the now you're out of the realm of like even if it's a public use
of the land now you're dealing with wait you're going to now we're now we're saying wait this is private land because we're telling them you own it you got to maintain it but according to the charter we shouldn't be say talking about that but I think we do because clearly the whole
ordinance was about that kind of thing it's the same as seaw walls we have public seaw walls and private seaw walls and it's the same debate going on with it um I agree that we should be setting standards and all that to work what we
should be doing to the land that we're we owns i'm going to use we that owns we are accountable responsible but we have the authority to go renourish put in walks plant and all that because we do
that all of the public accesses which have easements or that we're responsible for making sure those are up to standard and and all of that that's in scope but going in front of you know a homeowner just north of Passa Grillil that owns to
the mean high water we can set standards and say "Hey this is what we should be doing." Just as in a seaw wall on the other side in your neighborhood um Dan it's here's like that but we can't we can't force them to go spend
$100,000 splitting the seaw wall right we can't force anything we just recommend we we recommend here are the standards here's what you should do on seaw wall we should have that same set of standards of here are some steps you can do you can go renourish to to rebuild dunes there's
really three options you renourish you said beach reourishment you can actually renourish dunes as well so you can renourish that's the fastest the second fastest to build up dunes is the sand fence and the the slowest is seats right
and I'm sure that there's another one i'm not a a dune in but those are the three options to build up a dune then you to preserve and maintain them you plant you remove the bad plants when they grow the things that will get rid of the good plants and you keep people
off of them the walkovers and post and post uh rope and post fence if that's a part of the strategy and standards and we do that as a city and we recommend the private Yeah and that's where you get into the ownership rights again
because now you're altering the property but they have to do that but here's here's your playbook right if you don't want to get flooded again or you want to reduce your risk of flooding when the next storm comes and I don't know when the next storm I know a storm's coming i don't know when it will flood us but it will at some point here's the things to
go do i think what would be nice I think for the community is when you go to the website and you see beach stewardship if a homeowner or a business could click on there and then there were resources there exactly like this is your contact with US fish and wildlife this is the
documentation about how do you protect the dune what is expected of a dune owner to maintain the health and longe and then maybe there's funding sources grants out there for people who don't qualify as a public I just feel like We we should be out there supporting and
helping and then we should I mean I'm just now learning a lot but I feel like we should also be the knowledge givers andor look here kind of I feel like as a group I would like to be that and I'm just now starting to read into more about doing nourishment and reach
nourishment but that's all goes into the priority of the commission of resiliency true and I think there's some stuff in section six here with respect to getting information out to people residents to that would be really
helpful along the lines of what you're talking about definitely but I think we're going to have to go back but it sounds like we've jumped into section two pretty solidly so if we're in section two I would add in the action steps uh for the stakeholder engagement uh involve experts from coastal
management environmental science legal and wildlife cons conservation because I think legal is a very important uh group to add we definitely need some people from legal involved to help in understanding anything to do with beach nourishment that's what that that's what
the sticking point has been um has been legal um and then second bullet point said attorney if you look is that you went something different than No it says stakeholder engagement it says involve experts from coastal management environmental science and wildlife
conservation i'm saying legal should be included on that list that's purely what I'm saying down at the bottom the resources and then down at the bottom where it says resources um we um I added especially for reourishment effort requirements and
funding under time i'd add that little clarifier also there um so yeah I just wanted to make sure this Okay so before we move on I just want we're finished with one i just wonder if you kind of what we've said where did we conclude on one i mean we sort of jumped into two but yes so to get regular staff updates
you information needs to be coming to you quicker whether it's through the city manager's newsletter um the agenda can be um you know sent out even though it's publicly available to all of you one week prior if there's something specific to the beach you want to be
made aware of it right um we need to decide where the line is on proactive versus reactive right and then you know for things like RFPs and CUPs or anything involving the beach you want to
be involved in that discussion prior to the issuance of an RFP or of a CUP to some degree because CUP is good at planning right yes it even goes to TRC and if it's going there and has beach to
it they should be at least letting us know if it has beach on it but again where's the line of what does that mean you guys go to those additional meetings there you don't have a chance to speak so I I don't go to meetings i can't I mean I
can watch them later usually I can watch them later but it's just being made aware of the discussion right that we can then go and it's on us to go find out okay what's going on there and if I have if we have a concern we can then call us you know
one of us can work through the clerk and say "Hey I think this is warrants a special meeting that we should come talk about." Right and and in particular you'd like to see some sort of established um dune or seaw wall standards that are that could be used
that's that's not this one but that's that's for number two that's the second okay and an expansion on the website with regards to additional links and things where we can find extra resources and the information sharing says utilize the city's website with yeah that's
number yeah it can be here too go going back to the the TRC or the COP discussion that is one where I think it would be beneficial if as early on in the process probably before it goes to the TRC if the beach stewardship is
aware of any development that you know any cups that would change the load on the beach you know like an increase in rooms or any of those kind of things that that would be the ones where at least the the beach stewardship is made aware that this is going to be coming
before the TRC okay and then you know just because I I personally have written emails sometimes to the TRC just to say here's some things to think about from my personal perspective that's all I can do But that's the kind of thing that maybe at some point the beach
stewardship might want to have a meeting yeah anything seaw word that's going to touch seaw word of the CCCL is kind of an easy well right but sometimes when you're when you're you know adding a thousand rooms to a hotel you might want to think where are those people going to go there
might be some there might be some things that come up if that happens typically if he is going to require dune reourishment or anything like that which that's an obvious hey call just let us know that is going Exactly
okay but I think we have to have not for today another robust conversation on how do we give guidance to the staff on when to call us and when not because they could call us on everything and that's not what I'm interested in well they're not calling us anyway they're only
forwarding us some information and you know I think it's a lot easier to ignore something if they er on the side of sending us something they shouldn't i I wouldn't object um as much as right now where we're just I've gotten you know so little
I would say anytime we we should just be very thoughtful on anytime we are going to choose to insert ourselves in a decision-m process absolutely if it's information only that is everything that's what I anything that then it's up to us but if we're going to slow
something down I think we need to be very we don't even have an opportunity to we only can try to so I I think that we don't need to have a lot more discussion we can just forward it more information to us when it's available okay and um currently you know a quarterly reports prepared for our
meetings which includes all the sheriff's citations and or warnings that they give in the previous three months um yeah the attorney is they're available I guess anytime we
need them and then don't know if the city commission needs to really review so we're happy with the way our charter reads and and and the scope of what the beach stewardship can do right our limitations and and we're not asking
for more we're just as it reads we're content with that as an advisory board yeah i mean as an advisory board I feel that's appropriate okay we'll move on to two again back to get two go ahead John
sorry I stopped you in your thoughts discuss this one yeah I'll cover my points but legal is it worth it to schedule like some work sessions like this where we have maybe is it John Bishop or like experts
come in and just that's what we would do right this plan with the like with a on a schedule like something we should start doing at this point to say this is where we are Now this is what we want and they would even help us develop a timeline that's how we would do it okay
once the goals are agreed upon that would be the next step is to create the steps to build out this plan i mean maybe I'm maybe I should go back on something but should we be considering twice a month i mean twice a quarter instead of once a quarter or six months a year six meetings a year
instead of four or something else i like where you we started before is we have the four and we can add special meetings as we see fit um that gives us the ultimate flexibility we don't need commission approval we just need three people we just
need three of the four of us currently and at some point five of us to say "Hey let's have it." Okay is it so a clerk question um if there's something that comes up
and we're not in session can one of us request a special meeting and then give the details would the clerk reach out or liazison reach out to other members one-on-one saying there's been a request do you are you okay with that and as long as Siri say yes then you can
schedule it correct so we can I like that yeah sounds good all right so item two on the back side of the page the assessment of current conditions i mean who would you like to conduct this full review for the
condition of the beach the dune the overall ecosystem i mean is this something i'd assume that was already done in the rec you know the recovery task force i mean I'm assuming that when John Bishop was here at that one last meeting or two meetings ago I can't
remember he kind of Hey they're going through that so I know the county has done some work a lot of this I think things have have been done in what we talked about it's just how having the staff go gather
it up and put it into a work product that's consumable and summarizes Okay so assume do you agree that some I know Yeah it's public works have done that a lot of it with worked with the county apparently went to an RFP for the
walkovers they went and saw that they were crashed why do we need that right so stakeholders are really already involved the the county that's the coastal management there um environmental science well
that's a lot of our wildlife organizations I guess sea turtle trackers the Autobon Society um I mean you can invite them to I guess provide what would be their
perfect environment that they would like to see established here on the beach for their wildlife to thrive what is missing from Yeah yeah what do we not have well maybe uh maybe also
um the hotelers i mean let them give us let them give us perspective too on the things that they think they could help with in some of these areas at some point and I know the hotels have reached out to sea turtle trackers and stuff and and talks to them regularly about if we
put our cabanas here will this be an infringement to the turtles and they do consult with them and work with them on lighting and things like that i know they they already do that already positive ideas also maybe it's it add community into
community into this sentence i'm thinking of them as the biggest but yeah yeah community that just it's a catch all you know as I look at the sentences there any other we put we want this just catches stakeholders we want everyone that's relevant to be involved right
okay create a multi-year strategy on the implementation plan the only thing without funding none of this gets done so somehow we need to uh a multi-year strategy outlining actions and
fund and funding for put the you know somewhere in the sentence funding yeah and there is local funding county funding state funding federal funding that would help drive
that okay so that's the second one are we done with the second one now or as far as monitoring and reporting um establish clear metrics this is where you would we discussed pri previously also setting that standard of what where the dunes
should be or seaw wall should be and those would be the metrics for determining the health of the beach the multi-year strategy in my mind would have when you build that out you would have milestones with measurable goal or measurable
um items to show that you're making progress on the strategy mhm well with monitoring reporting I also wonder if we don't have to have a minimum like I don't know twice a year someone has gone out and evaluated to find fail
you know where the dunes have failed or I don't know just is it something that does that happen is there like a staff report that happens on a regular basis to determine like issues because if you don't if you don't have a minimum of reporting back on this it's it just gets
overlooked so I don't know if that's I mean every day the maintenance team is out there going up and down the beach and and sometimes I do question like what is their knowledge base on the dune systems and where they should and shouldn't drive and are they I know a
couple of them they're gardeners and they have been trained and I don't know if it's doom restoration but plants and kind I had the the one guy drove through the new seats that we planted right out in front of up like and there was like open post that was yeah it was after the
storms but some of them had survived and there was I guess there were trash cans over in the corner and they were like he just drove right through it to go to the trash cans and I'm like you know you kind of like need to realize like go this way even it flat i mean it wasn't very obvious but I could see the sea
oats that had survived were he drove right through them so I guess that's Yeah there's maybe some a post fence would solve that very quickly just like it did down at Pascrow so maybe just Yeah this the maintenance staff needs to be aware of like if you see this report
this back to someone you know that kind of a thing because they are you're right they're there every day they they see what is different from day to day if someone's come out and dug a hole in a dune or Okay had to plant a chair so maybe get some more feedback from the maintenance staff on a regular basis
more frequent regular basis yeah just encourage yeah when you see things that see something say something yeah okay click fix or what is it see click fix see click fix it mhm okay
this is pretty standard so here's the staff to implement the resources for the execution of restoration and re renourishment that's really just funding isn't it we need to put funding yes that's funding
i mean there was some talk about how we rely on the county primarily to do all this restoration now and their reourishment nourishment but whether the city would take that um mission on itself and create its own fund for it's
conversation reenourishment here ourselves and not rely solely on the county well it would be I mean is there a does the city contract with someone like a John Bishop to so many hours a year that you dedicate to
us helping us formulate i mean is it really be nice if there's a staff person that had an environmental or you know some background who was putting hours in to kind of I don't know babysit all of this because as a committee you know
we're kind of in and out and I don't know be what's the agreement with the county on where does the county start and stop in terms of beach because they do a lot not just for St pete Beach but for
Treasure Island you know they do the and there's got to be some agreement somewhere hey this is what you guys do as we do the strategy to my understanding has always been you use federal funding for beach army corps of engineers and federal funding for beach
refourishment um this county did two years ago emergency which was not federal funding half a pass grill got well there's bed tax money the bed tax
did half a pass grill and then they got federal funds for this latest one this summer some pass grow so it's a well the question how does that work the question is should we be getting involved in like these questions and I I went to the meeting in tech in TI where
they were meeting with all those homeowners and and and people that had property along the beach because the Army Corps was trying to get those easements and I wanted to learn from that to hear what they were being told to see how it mapped to what's going on here and you know I spoke to the mayor
and and and gave him some insight and and you know he went to the league and and so forth um and and you know these are big questions of of of legality that are going on and and I've spoken at this meeting about how in other states
they're getting federal funds to give money to those property owners to say yes we are going to you we're going to do eminent domain to take an easement but it's not take the property just the right to have the ement to do what we're going to do and you're going to get money for that but you get paid so that
now you're going to let the Army Corps do what they're saying to do and everybody just moves along but that little we're not that whole process just is not moving um and and then there are other places where we there are erosion
control lines that are formed that give the public access to parts of the beach because of that and that's been beneficial to the public because the rule is why are you using public money to create a beach that then you're going to block the public from using which is
a principle that's been around for a long time it says no so you know that public money should only once it's used to create a beach the public should have access to it um so all these questions it's you know are all in this pot here
and of of this item number two and have to be you know discussed more and again this could be its own you know subject reourishment it's all reourishment questions and we have it easier it's my understanding in talking to Matthew before while he was here he he talked to
me about it is we've got it we have less than 10 easements that we need permission We have one big one that's just holding us up and Army Corp says we're not coming until we get it we're not doing any of it until we get the one i'm just going to I think it's
less than 10 where Treasure Island and other ones have 50 hundred right it's a different problem and though that's interesting it's not our problem we can't manage it it's um and I'm not taking aside one way
or the other for what it is because I don't know the details because I've heard it two ways that they want an easement and they want to move their erosion control line and I heard it another way is the erosion control line that's there stays they just need and they're not going to lose their p private property but they have to sign
something and they're refusing so I don't I'm not in a known state of what really the issue is and I think it's up and up i don't believe there's a there's an easement problem down at Pass Girl again I'm not but having somebody you know the staff go figure that back out
where are we really at who is run who is running that negotiation where is it who owns it and are we really at a stalemate and we can't do anything and meanwhile we haven't had it even discussed and we're the ones who are the committee for beach and nourishment right how is this
so again I don't want to be in the way of it but if this is our charter how are we not doing it how do we know how do we know so little other I or being asked so little knowledge without knowledge without action is trivia um so I would
just say good point um what can we learn and is there something we can do as a committee to help move the conversation forward then I'm in if it's just so I know I'll be interested but that's not useful right nobody seems to think we
could add value to that process obviously I I I think that was because the core was involved and just everybody the core didn't want any kind of input from anyone even though that was our charter you don't mess with the core
it's been like that for years well I got I have a heartto-he heart with someone in the court and I understand the issue now which is why I passed it along and it's it's it's it's a silly it's an it's interesting but I don't want to I don't want to do committee business here okay that's two that's two it was
finished okay i'm torn on us having the beach ordinance as number three because it's really out of our control it's going to second reading us setting a goal now on the beach ordinance i don't
I think we've already spoken our we did our motion last time that we recommended they take a pause for additional feedback um it's going through its thing i think that horse is out of the barn and so we eliminate No no i have so I have a different approach i have a
different approach to it so I mean I I do believe that the current ordinance doesn't reflect three years worth of beach stewardship or city commission activities because for you know I think it's important to recognize that the first version did the first version already had many changes and then the way the process works and this is again
is important to recognize as we discussed this between the first reading and the second reading many major changes were made without any discussion with beach stewardship and and so we need to be as part of beach ordinance we need to be part part of that process and
we need to make sure we are part of that process because if they're going to make changes to the things that that are very much related to our charter even the definition of what a public beach is but much more many more significant things
um they they should come back to us and we should be in the loop on that and so that would be what I would try to include in this goal here but but then I let me give this other input topics such
as alcohol and I provided to the city um commission a a a summary article of all the different alcohol laws around Florida on the beaches some of them just say no alcohol during spring break time in March others say just on weekends no
alcohol they have all different things a lot of them say just no glass all the time very good so topics such as alcohol chairs vehicles and bikes animals each of them on their own
could be a large ordinance discussion and deserves to be a large ordinance discussion and the reason I think we've had such opposition to the ordinance is because we treated it like blob of all of these things changed at once here's your three minutes if you didn't cover
it shame on you and and that's not that's that's not enough to really change all those things so what I'm recommending as an action plan is that we in a first stage do the mechanical
thing that we originally three years ago they said was the mission which was to move things all together in one place and even that I looked at my emails and I provided to the city commission in July of 23 i said "Here are the errors
in the mechanics of moving things you actually took out doom protection from the dune chapter you took out turtle protection from the turtle chapter you crossed out the word you made it you could feed the birds on the beach because you crossed out the word beach from the bird chapter don't do that you
could copy things you can cross reference things but don't screw up the rest of your chapters and and none of that got fixed a year and a half later so the the the the suggestion I've had or have is that we instead start a
little bit more fresh and just do the mechanics of moving things properly into a beach chapter so people can see our beach ordinances make sure we're not screwing up or making inadvertent changes to our turtle ordinances or our
animal ordinances or our dune ordinances and then methodically and we can do maybe some things in parallel but they have to be separate we can say well what do we need to do to our our our alcohol ordinances if we need to change them or vehicle ordinance or our chair
ordinances or you know and and and and and let people have it uh let's let's look at them and then as you're doing that we can make sure along the way always that the turtles and the birds you know that need to be protected that
that will happen as we're doing the right thing for them and if we need to have a separate meeting about them fine but I think that you know as you're figuring out what your chair ordinance is you're doing it because you're making sure it's you know safe for the turtles but you know right so in a perfect world I agree with that process that would
been very thorough and um and accomplish all and but I think we've missed that boat now they've reached this product here at the end so we just have to digest what's in this final product and and we've already and work
with that we've already motioned it to advise them that they should stop and give feedback we've what you is what you just said you want to give feedback we've already as a commi a committee we can't turn back time yeah so I don't know where they stand we've already
asked what you've asked for we've already asked and I went to the last meeting um and and they they they just pushed it but they actually didn't actually schedule a new workshop or anything like that as of yet um what
else can we do and um well I I'm personally going to try to be meeting with a couple other organizations just personally none of us have any authority and try to see if we can come up with some ideas but um but you know just on certain aspects um and then but so as
far as this is concerned that's that's still um I think on an ongoing basis we still could be be doing the things that are listed here whether it's an action item for and there will be changes in the future I'm sure to the ordinance so like
any future before you make any suggestions for future changes we should always be consulted right so maybe re maybe say what I just said but in an ongoing basis and not as a model just from a three is we should be ongoing looking at the beach ordinance and
making um advising the commission on potential um changes I agree yeah on an individual Yeah yeah so nothing specific to the first or second reading but this just moving forward at this point certainly right
because this was written prior to this right that's where I Yeah that's where I could leave it too but I like it we should be It should be our responsibility especially for within our charter of public beach and the restoration and maintenance of that
that's the right in our So any ordinances which will be relating to activities outside of the coastal construction line should be directly involving the committee the stewardship
committee okay and and and you you said directly involved that gets back into are we inserting ourselves in the decision-m process or should we be made aware of directly involved when translates into
into that and then um getting involved in things that are seawward at the CCCL that we are going to be involved in making decisions that is not public beach then that goes away from I'll say it either way anything that's directly
involved with item and we just give the item from the ordinance there's an actual item of the ordinance you know it's uh you just have to say uh article 22-308
uh you know B or C uh or actually this one's C uh power and duties the committee shall evaluate information relating to the preservation and maintenance of the public beaches in St pete Beach and make recommendations to city commission regarding these matters so when it
so it's a general yeah still I mean still even there I don't want to say anytime but that's we just have to be careful and we don't have to have to say it direct but It's something as we with the new beach organization that's being formed under Pope right we have to get a
cadence on how that works and we and I think we just I I think I'd like to put a note in there i think it's important to have recognition that even between first second or any other readings that that those versions also we we would
like to suggest or recommend that intermediate language be provided to the the beach stewardship for for intermediate drafts be provided to beach stewardship for input before I don't know if commission gets working
which I don't I don't know if that's appropriate that the comm that's that's staff work i don't know well but we're the we're the committee that's supposed to help you're on a slippery slope yeah we're we're supposed to try to help on on the ordinances that
is the pol the ordinance is the policy it's it's how you're putting the policy into words and all of a sudden they say a policy and then the words don't match the policy is is the issue that I'm concerned about right
okay so we are we good with the beach ordinance how we'd like to treat that i think going moving forward to ongoing review versus Good that is good and I I think we could put on our agendas once
everything is said if we feel like there are items in the beach that we want to discuss for recommendations like if we don't feel like it's in the best or the beach we could discuss it something comes up in public comments right something comes up we could just
put individual items on our agendas and have a conversation and then a recommendation if we find necessary that's something we can just always do it's Yeah yeah i mean it's not set in stone right i mean it gets approved but there's always the ability to amend things in future i was hesitant to try
to schedule an emergency meeting because I was traveling and I had a lot going on in this reading stuff so I just had to try to jump in and send things mhm and I you know distributed them or tried to get make sure you saw them but that's the best I could do okay number four yeah four yes i put this on
there and I've been beating the drill on this if you recall last summer we got a workshop on the beach ordinance and it was decided that um wildlife turtle lighting would be as a put as a separate and we were
actually I believe given the to-do to go and work on this and I thought it would be easy because there's a model state approved ordinance that all you have to do is fill in the blanks and then you know the change of attorneys and city
managers and all that it kind of fell to the side so we've already been assigned to get this done um it's now just waiting on staff time to take a look at the model ordinance and look at the new beach ordinance and kind of put it together and how does it work right so
they initially removed it out of the ordinance to get it pushed through right and they'll look at this separately I think again i don't have a timeline though for that been given the to-do to do this and I've got a comment on get it done i've got a
comment on this though because you know my philosophy on a lot of these law changes we've been making is you know before you change a law let's find out like do we have a law does a law work or you know why why keep making laws you
know what what state laws what what other laws are out there and so I'm thinking is why what and I go out on the beach at night I see I don't need a blue filter When I go out at night I see white
lights white lights that we've had a law for what is it 20 years that say if you got a if you got a fixture 20 years whenever they put that ordinance in says if you have an existing fixture it needs to be retrofitted by this date and that date came and went uh
so what I think we should do is one evening with code enforcement anyone who wants to go along or whatever however we do this or have code enforcement go along themselves and tell
us what is wrong with our current law that is or the or they don't work at night you know there's nobody on duty code enforcement at night what is it that is deficient in our current law that has made it that all these white lights are still there and until we
understand what's wrong with our current law I don't see how you could change it because it's it's it's in black and white i don't know if it's a law it's a No it's an ordinance it's an ordinance that's a code wait I Yes we have it's outdated it references parameters that
aren't current and and and things like that so hence the new model uh code that we were given was up to date and we just had to pretty much adopt it because it met all the new standards and stuff like that so or two what you're talking about is code enforcement which is a different
topic to here's the standard we should be setting and here's how we're holding them accountable to the stand up accountability but the reason people are upset about turtle lighting has been that they keep going out at night and seeing these lights and they go "Why are
they there?" And if they they see an ordinance that says this I mean the when I when I look at when I you know I've sort of watched the the court i saw them one time take someone some older some older woman from you know pass a grill that had a private
home and they were upset about her light and I tried so I tried to figure out what was different about her light than all these lights I'm seeing in all these other places and I couldn't figure it out so I'm trying to figure out what what is missing in our ordinance what's the point of changing these ordinances we is it that we just
need What else is there something else no I could tell you that sea turtle trackers do go out and do lighting surveys as well i I believe code enforcement joins them they do on this so I mean I'm new to code enforcement uh I haven't been out on one myself yet but no we don't temper you know typically
have staff here in the evenings every evening to monitor lighting on the beach um it's just it's a matter of just doing your survey pre-season once maybe and then additional one during season just to and just to you know make sure that the lighting is compliance then the ones
that are not you issue notices of violations for and ask them to get it fixed otherwise they have to come to special magistrate just got a a letter from code enforcement last season because there was a survey and they had white lights out and then they switched them to yellow lights so it's
working i I know last year then two buildings north they actually called us and wanted uh for my building they wanted to make sure we had turtle glass in our windows and we gave them the docu code enforcement the documentation that we have turtle glass
i mean last spring I'm still seeing outdoor hallways where the entire outdoor hallway is lit with white lights can't speak to those i just know that code enforcement at least where I live just south of the donses are people gotten letters and I talked to the head
of code enforcement last spring and gave him proof that our pillow windows are turtle so they are doing code enforcement i don't know it's not as frequent as as maybe you'd like it but it may these lights have been out there for years a year why that's at a survey
i just I know it's happening but that's a code enforcement i I agree with everything you just said that's and the commission has been very very um focused on code enforcement we have all these rules on the books but to Ayaka's point again I've been pushing this is let's
update our standard to be modern to have the modern you know where all the science and all of that is backed up there's a state that we should fill in the blanks make sure it doesn't conflict with beach ordinance or anything else and put on the books yeah well there's a classic example of just taking one
category and working on it like total lighting fine but yeah this should be the easiest one i mean the homework's already been done we just fill in some blanks yeah so we're as far as the committee's
position we've done the review and we've recommended it it's really up to legal now to fill in the there's blanks and there's um I think one of the blanks is to code enforcement if you're caught in violation what is the there's a monetary
fine that's a that's a blank is it a dollar is it $10 is it $100 is it a dollar times two every day and you compound it right there's lots of ways put in teeth right do that do you know is there a a time for people
to become in compliance you knock on the door problem here yes so notice of violation will usually give you 10 days at the minimum 30 days to uh you know acquire your appropriate lighting if you reach out to
us and just say "I'm having difficulty because I understand supply chains have been issues you know." Um so if you work with us and just say "Hey I've ordered them or it's going to take such a long time." Or it took our building nine months after ordering all new fixtures for turtle lining it took us nine months
to get them then we had to install them so it's that was before the ordinance going to be invalid or are they going to be compliant with this new ordinance we actually worked through Sea Turtle Conservancy and we actually got a grant
and they were the ones that um they map they were a part of the the the state ordinance so if if we're not I don't know who is and I didn't ask for we did buy the book and I didn't ask for a specific but I'm just I just was
trying to think about people that have you know maybe that's part of the reason some people haven't they're waiting for the I don't know I'm just trying to think about repercussions whenever we change laws of like you know gee maybe some people just put a big investment in are we now going to be forcing them to like redo something they just spent a
lot of money on I just want to think about that in this ordinance Right so is there really much public consultation needed further going forward
i think I think I'll be a part of the first the I don't know yeah I think so because I actually was out at night and um I would do it i I saw a big I I saw the moon and then I realized it was a a
penthouse suite on a hotel but then a different day the moon really was there and I realized that a lot of beaches face south and the moon is always there you know facing over the water but because we are facing one way half the
time the moon is literally over the hotels and over the over the over the the Gulf boulevard and half the time it's over the water so we have a different situation and I'd like to hear maybe from some researchers who have
studied you know western facing beaches and and the impact of lighting there because I talked to some people I said no actually you know maybe the lighting is helping because you're get you're getting lighting you know you don't have the moon the moon is the moon
is in the same spot as the as the as the lights in our situation if you have an eastering beach it's this it's It's the opposite right i'm so maybe we should be out there with the turtle trackers at night to help the hatchlings on the nights that the moon
is on the wrong side those are the nights that they're going to have the false crawls hotels having even if everybody's lights are out they're going to have the false They're going to go the wrong way not false calls they're going to go the wrong way because the moon's in the wrong place wow i think it's nature exactly but we're not
supposed to We got to help nature right we're here to help nature can't do anything about that are you arguing we shouldn't have a turtleite standard no we have to just make sure that we're got the right one and it that it that it that it's going to help and I don't So I agree it needs to be the right one i'm going to make a statement i assume and
that's dangerous for anybody to ever do that the state um model ordinance had worked through all of that with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection the um National Wildlife um Preservation Foundation which were
involved in drafting that they that they've done everything you just said and I I personally don't need them to come in and validate the science which is what I hear you asking um if you would like that I'm sure that I echo and I can
give you some context so you could have a one-on-one conversation but I I'm not interested in the science so they would have made a state law if they wanted it to be a state law they actually want to make a model so that each community can decide what's pertinent for their community otherwise they would have made
it state law which why they they fill in the blanks and you can change it it's a model one which we're discussing now is let's review it and implement so that's why we should match see if it matches science with with the science and the moon and like that and if we're I would
assume again it's I assume the science science is sound that not just the state of Florida but every other state has turtle lighting lighting ordinances of some sight of some type of some type yes um that they're a good thing and that
the the state and everyone has done their homework and this has been reviewed so now we want to bring some experts in to help us figure out what blanks to fill in and which ones to legal we have legal help coming in to help us and even even though it may not be an ordinance they've developed a
state model models are recognized as industry standards and the best practices so they are almost given as much weight as an ordinance per se as this is the model you should be following to get the best results so you don't think this the scientist wouldn't want to fill in any of these blanks it's
a only No I think they have put in when we're filling in the blanks we're just molding it to our community basically that's what I'm looking That's where I'm looking for the scientific input the science doesn't really change I think so I'm just looking for scientific input on some of those blanks what's your turtle
season from what they have what do you want as a find what do you write okay i wasn't sure where the blanks were those were what the blanks are okay not on not on the type of fixtures or what temperature of the light bulb you
know like that that's all set that's all part the height or right and with respect to the moon and this is not really science but it's just being there you go down to Englewood sea turtles everywhere same
moon but people turn their lights off and the hotels draw the drapes and everybody goes along with That's why they have so many turf oh yeah i was in the Keys and and there they just every night they just they don't make them uh change their windows but they just say every
night someone comes out and they call the rooms where the windows are open and then those the hotel makes sure those individual rooms have their curtains closed um you know so you know every community can be flexible on some of those things
it is aside the hotel argument is we can't be asking our every single guest to close their curtains so then the answer is then you have to provide the turtle glass or whatever it is that
you need well one of the funny things they close you know they they like a cruise ship like that they close your drapes that's turn so there's several ways a hotel can choose to do it one of the funny things is I heard in the or the last version of the ordinance they said as long as you move the the light
fixtures out of being in direct line of the beach in the rooms y that would be sufficient i don't believe that is actually what the the latest code does or science says if you are concerned about the lighting the curtain should be closed or you need turtle glass having
the light on but not the bulb in the line isn't isn't addressing it you just shouldn't have polite coming out of there at all so already you know I I'm not saying that we shouldn't be we should be ignoring it i'm saying we need to make sure we're following the science
in all degrees and not to and not to open up another can of worms here this is C turtle lighting um I wish and turtle sea turtles because they're federally protected um have a lot of attention it should be wild wildlife but I'm not I don't want it i think it's
birds and all of that um benefit from this but I get it's easier to get this through by calling it sea turtles because there's so much attention to it right i just say that aside and I know there's somebody here that's passionate about that we actually
have a turtle chapter which I think this still probably would belong in even though we also have a beach ordinance chapter this this to me belongs in the turtle chapter of our ordinances clerk on Yeah staff on where best we have a chapter called turtle protection
i mean we could cross reference it but this clearly belongs in there as well as many other places so I think that's the problem they they were you know creating this new ordinance ch beach beach ordinance chapter to eliminate the duplication of it also appearing in another chapter
then another chapter then another chapter you know but they left the definitions and the penalties in the turtle section and only the other part in the beach section you can't work that way either okay is there anything any changes that
you'd like to make to the Well it's kind of out of your hands it's with legal at the moment and it's back to them to come back and make their recommendations and I would you know just from an action step item is should there be a a public
workshop or a where the public can come in and give feedback to it um just from a matter of process okay you know just so we don't do you know we not having the same conversation about the beach ordinance as we do the beach ordinances
let's just make sure that it's open everyone has opportunity to give feedback okay so once they've filled in the blanks bring it back to the public let them get some input and that's before it goes to Does that go to does that happen after you know during first
reading or does that do before I would yield to you know the staff on what's best to make sure that we go through a transparent process that everyone sees what's coming okay should we also as a committee ask for an
update from legal where are you on this like when do you expect to have this i can certainly I feel like maybe we don't mention this is sitting on your desk it could be under some things and it's been there for how long it's one of our goals since last summer
a lot's happened i'm not pointing fingers and things like that well and you mentioned your building had got funding through a grant a grant so maybe some of these hotels would be happy to know that there might be help out there if they want to be completely turtle
compliant because some of them mentioned that the turtle film's expensive and they don't have the staff to go close so if they could get assistance in monies to get the right turtle films I think the fund has a limit to it the bucket is only so deep so for large hotel projects
like that it becomes the smaller ones like the big hotels are able to handle but some of these smaller small establishments that might not have that many windows i don't know and all right we're gonna go this the fund that we went up for sea turtle conservancy was actually part of the settlement of the
Deep Deep Water Horizon settlement with the EPA so that came from there i believe that grant program is completed we're one of the last and we're actually waiting uh we got supply chain issues
waiting for our swimming pool light to come in which we've been waiting for for a year why it's taken a year I have no idea but for a year then they come back to an audit and then they give us the check because we had to front the money for the fixtures and then they reimburse
us so um and they told us at least that grant program is so they account for the frequency shift of the light being under the water they came and did a they took pictures and they were out in the middle of the night and did the study and then
they they came back here's the design here's here's they gave us a list of here's five fixtures choose one of those and if you didn't like that they would go back and give you other one so we got to personalize and do it and they said "Here are all the light bulbs you had to do." And we fixed we got to pick the fixtures the way they looked and like
that but they told us "You got to put them here here here and here." And at the end of it they paid for the they'll pay for all the fixtures we had to front some money and then we had to pay for the install who came out and did this survey for you the Sea Truck Conseries
okay that's very helpful it's nice we found out it through our property manager our property manager saying "Hey um you're not sea turtle compliant when we first hired him four or five years ago saying "You're going to get a ticket at some point let's get this solved." So
it wasn't We were doing it proactively by chance before I was on this could we be working on a program with them to be either having them do or training people to do something similar along our beach code enforcement already know is that what they're doing they do
similar things for the hotels and other places along our beach they do again I'm giving you my last spring there was a code enforcement encounter that we had and I know the people south and north of us got letters saying if you don't change it you're going to get a ticket no but I'm saying this this sounds like
the sea turtle conservancy was a lot more helpful to you they gave you a list of like how to improve your situation it wasn't just a stick they took they took the model ordinance and saying here's how you comply to the model ordinance and here are the fixtures to to do it um but they were given funding to do do
that we on our sea turtle page on the website there I have modified it to include links for the sea turtle conservancy um suppliers of lightings and things like that okay i was just thinking maybe we could do a program with them somehow
um but I mean to number six number six which I think stuff but we're not there yet nope yeah okay all right i'll wait till we get there okay so we good with four
moving on to five five public engagement yeah so I mean five I think is certainly very important um and um I know that I have for instance a map that was put together by Jennifer McMahon that included some beach
accesses that were not in the one that you included with this uh document because you the document that was included here was the one for the hurricane status but there were some other beach accesses uh one of which was the one that we had an email about next to PCI and other on 58th Avenue some of
those were proposed some of them have different histories that could be debated um so yeah I think this is a very important item because there's a big gap between um the county park and and then one other little strip and then up them where there's just really very
few beach accesses that people are aware of or that are documented and um we've had this as a priority for a while and uh this item would be good if we could put this early on schedule are you saying there's not enough beach accesses provided already at Uppam uh between
Uppam and the uh Semark there's one right by the Seaark um the there are none on your map that are shown um so for example the PCI one that's not a public access well that's the kind of
research that needs to be discussed in in this in this item that's I I have researched it i've gone back to planning and that's that's the answer I was been giving it's not a public access therefore we're not we can't put it on our map as a public access and I haven't had time to resp I don't want to but
there are a few that people have believe they have easements and so forth and we need to get those maybe discussed um Okay well what what which ones are you thinking of here then or are you are you just saying we're just going to document i don't have the map in front of me but
I'm saying that was the map that was provided to me as far as what is our current public accesses so if they're with that map the ones that are public we should be making sure that they are open accessible and you know
walkovers and all of that right i do agree that that's in our purview yeah i think that this having public meetings to gather input from residents and visitors regarding access and improvement ideas thinks is very important and this would be good for
then people to discuss what information they have regarding maybe some other public accesses that maybe have been forgotten what I don't agree with is we open up and say "Hey where does everyone want to have public access?" Yeah which
is what I read this to be oh is um that's again where's that you know hold public meetings together input from residents and visitor access and improvement ideas that's written in a way that's so broad that people could say "Hey I want a public access between
these two properties." Even though there's no I just you know I think our our boundaries are existing easements or wherever there's public access we should be reviewing and making sure that that that is clear and open and that um
they're safe and environmentally friendly so maybe public engagement would be identifying uh public access from residents and visitors uh to identify public access locations there's been some dispute about public
with that i mean the city can has the map here's public access here's where they are it's pretty binary no it's not there's actually easements and there's Yes correct there's information where people come forward you know street closures do not necessarily mean
extinguishments of rights um so no it's not as cut and dried as as and and people have people have been submitting and providing information that that seems to indicate that they believe that they still have their right
to get to the beach so correct me if I'm wrong John even their the dances are property owners session i believe people have been in the past freely been able to access the beach but you've now recently put up a fence right local residents
local residents that are owners have access that's not a public access res right because those are actually owned by the 360 houses and all of them have unfettered access to that for bathing
and that's in the deed so that's always been open to local res local res okay it's not a public act and it's a fine line there because all the people that use it um that are residents own it so they have public
it's private resident access so that's a little different than public access that would be an example of what I'm describing where people have had similar things in their deeds and now the owner of the property there has has
has blocked the what was traditionally in their deeds to say that they could have I mean everyone east of it in Eminem have complete rights where you go up north where there's private and people s choose to block it that means
the people east don't have rights so it's it's an apple and an orange but yeah I don't want to get yeah I don't want to u because there are other things that then happened because the public was using it so I'm not going to go there but but yes so this item is to discuss
um at least identify where um the public has been traditionally accessing the beach i'll say it again i'm for I don't know if I'm interested as a beach stewardship committee with our
charter to go down easements or customary use but we need to go down public access it's a public this is as public beach related as we could be it's existing to it i would say planning um where easements and all of that is done would be a more appropriate
place for that conversation where if there's a dispute about an easement um I would go to planning not beach stewardship well we're not we're not at that level yet this is just still to discuss public beach access where it is how people access the public beach is it
through the hotels this I mean this is getting to the heart of what has been the big concern of a lot of people about our public beach is you know what can they do is there not enough public access correct you you in your opinion there's not enough in in the opinion of
a lot of people between the Seaark and Uppam who have nothing between the Seaark and Uppam to get to the beach on that map yes because it's all privately owned by the hotels predominantly yeah well always hotels
but yeah it's it's and and the and the public accesses that were there seem to one by one getting uh ignored okay and you're saying there's a dispute that is it public you said public access was
there is ignored and now that you're saying there's a dispute that it's not public access in one place it was a street i'm just adding the car yeah yeah but I'm not I don't want to get into the details of it now that's committee work but this is just to discuss public beach
access where it is i can provide the map that Jennifer McMahon put together that showed these other accesses i have uh uh I was I was told that it one other blockage was only temporary and now it's become permanent on on a different
location so could you send me that map because I I don't recall that map that Jennifer sent you absolutely sure the only map that I have is the one that I provided to all of you okay yeah as far as No problem i was leaving town right after they beat Stewart the last I just got back
yesterday okay well that's just discussion i one voice here i I think um disputes of easements and all that we won't get into the legalities here but I just it's a slippery slope again
and I'm not my my one vote is that going down that path is not appropriate for us if it's public if it's already public it's not for us to decide what is public and what's not the planning and somebody else does that and once it's public then it's us that's kind of my hard line um
but that's me i I'll let everyone else well I I I I think that public beach access is certainly a topic that a beach stewardship committee should have i'm not I understand that you're as you stated you're in the midst of putting locks on part of or just completed putting locks on a part of a beach
access area so I understand it's of concern i'm I'm concerned because I'm trying to make sure people either have or maintain access in certain areas and so I just think that we should be part of the general discussion i don't certainly do not believe that this
should turn into um a a this is not a courtroom this is not what we' be doing here we're not getting into it this just ability to identify and hear from the public on some of the background that they may have regarding the public beach access if in if if there's situations
where people have put locks because they know that they have a right to do so there should be no problem and if there's other areas where people are coming forward and saying "Gee we've always gone here and driven here and parked our car here and accessed here." That let's just let that come forward and and discuss it um because public
beach access is is very much I mean we don't have much on our our plate we only have two things nourishment and and the public beach and so making sure people can get to the public beach I think is a big deal okay so maybe we need some education from Brandon regards to
that so we can talk about him too that okay six so as far as education for the beach wildlife conservation doom protection I was thinking um I don't know
during maybe busier times when we have a lot of because that's who we're trying to educate right our visitors to the area primarily yeah well of course I was thinking um the public library they do really great right so have a weak focus on wildlife yeah and then and I think
that's great for locals like I think for visitors and some visitors are aware like they'll check out the public library and say what programming do they have it would be wonderful if we had like educators though that were doing workshops and I know they do it some there's some that's going on but kind of
more and maybe the city needs to be better at like sharing like being a stakeholder like if outside groups are doing an education we should be helping to share that information so that visitors and others can see it but if they were on the beach more like in public areas like I know there was a someone had a seaell there was a someone
was doing like a little sea shell talk down in Pasigrow on Monday but it was super windy so I don't know if anybody never showed up but there are there are people out there that are full of information i think it's if the city could somehow help organize and distribute that there's someone doing a
talk about seashells like anytime we're engaging the public you're they're just getting there's more ownership on the beach and instead of just picking up seashells I see people every morning with their bags of seashells they're also picking up trash which is what I'm doing because I
that's all I see now is trash like I see the trash before I see the sea shell before I see the glass i'm going to have a jar this big of sea glass from Passover Beach since the storms um I just think it would be wonderful and I'm specifically like when sea turtle
nesting starts which I saw an article that a sea turtle had already nested somewhere south of here a loggerhead did you all see that it was I don't know how far beach no no no no much s further south but it was the first one that they the earliest they'd seen whatever beach this was they've never had them this
early around Sarasota south of Siest i just I read that they were like a loggerhead someone just happened to see it and they go "Oh my gosh this has never happened this early." But I just feel like when when sea turtle like we've had a ton of visitors right now all the spring breakers this is a great
time we're right at the beginning of nesting season because those people that come at spring break they might come back again in the fall you know it's just it'd be good if we can take like certain months and we could designate like this is sea turtle awareness month and this is skimmer awareness month like we you know these are things that are
important to our environment and then you know talk about you know yes we have great seashells that that roll up but don't go out and grab the sand dollars that are still alive make sure you put them back you know just there's just so many things that I think we take for granted that are knowledgeable but I
cringe because you know you see people with buckets of things and I'm like and like I've been the past I've stolen conchs out from underneath people's seats and throw them back because they were still alive you know like you just I don't know there's just things that we can educate a little bit better when it comes to the natural environment um and
the dunes themselves like I think there's I mean I'm sure a lot of people don't find the dunes interesting but if someone want to talk about what's you know what's the typical habitat like what lives in a dune system you know if you educated on you know what makes up a dune and what's the natural habitat
right so I think that'd be pretty easy to coordinate with the library I could talk to bitsa and we could you know try and organize these awareness months if you'd like or special weeks during the busier times of the year and communicate these events out
better throughout the community so the people are aware right you know the um the Florida Institute of Oceanography over on the east coast my alma mada is it really really all right they have uh
programs monthly they get 300 people in there residents and they have great speakers and we have the same potential here we have the USF Marine Center we have Eard College they watch there's so many people that they want to share
their knowledge i think we just have to give them a place to do it y and a and a schedule or a platform or you know I think there's a lot of things um we have people working in the dunes that could could do pre presentations my children they go to Monastery by the Sea and
they've just started their own little club it's protect protect the animals and so you know they're doing fundraisers trying to get money for like Ottabon and and I think that's a group of kids that would love to help you know organize a talk of some sort like they
you know pick a topic i just think that we need to have that's what I say it would be wonderful if we had an environmentalist someone on staff that was owning a lot of these things or even if we were grabbing hours from the county like someone that specifically is tied to St pete Beach that's working on
the environmental issues of the beach which includes you know protection reourishment education pulling in people um and I know we talked about after the storms we had all the beach cleanups like you know I feel like there
needs to be someone owning that almost like it could be done pretty often you know especially after we've had a high wind or a big an environment a monthly one they they partner with keep penelis we can have a monthly beach clean yeah and there's a
lot of education that happens in those events i know when I've been down to ones with the dudes the dune savers have been there there's education happening while we're also working like it's kind of like a twofold experience i I love this one and I think about it
is we talked about what we need to do and a strategy and all of that this is communicating the why why is it important to do all of these things and why do we need and getting that why out to residents and visitors to hopefully understand
why do we have some things in the beach ordinance why do we need to conserve this why and that just helps the whole understanding and hopefully it will ease the need for code enforcement because then people will actually
want to and realize don't do these things and you don't need the stick anymore well and I think that's the help too like the the the community helping us maintain and preserve and protect and you know I think about
um Fort Dotto like you you know you go out there and it's so natural and I think people protect it because of that like I feel like it almost stays more natural because it is so natural and you come here and it's so commercial you know there's hotels and there's chairs and people they almost feel like a parking lot you know i feel
like we need to reiterate this is not a parking lot you know this is a natural environment so I feel like it sometimes gets confused that this is a natural place and not a place you just bury your trash and this should be the
hotel should be engaged as well absolutely that a part of their engagement with their customers when they check in have that same kind of here's here's what we're what you have to do and here's why you need to do it
to hopefully that it's not no longer a parking lot that it's a preserve that they should be behaving differently than you know spring break don't run through the birds because and I'm not a bird expert but I
know there's sanderlings They fly to the North Pole and here they are out in the beach trying to eat and you know kids are chasing them there's plenty of opportunities like that and there's so much education there like how many miles is that how long does that North Pole's
moving so I mean I didn't know that that's crazy yeah so I I don't know if you recall I think we did try that initiative with um the chamber to educate the public uh about the turtles the landing and they produced a
little card that was distributed for all the hotels and stuff right you know we were hoping that they would be given to each visitor that came checked in at check-in or something to remind them of we have sea turtles living here and skimmers living here do we have that we
have those cards or I have a sample of some they were out in the lobby as well but um that was initiative that we Yeah we tried before it was good yeah and I thought as part of the cup or some of the cups there was discussion about they would always make sure that they were giving out some material from the city I
think as to help as part of that they would let them know about services but also let them know about environmental things if we if we give them something to right to give out like don't bring your dog even you know you might advertise that the hotel takes dogs but it's not for the beach it's only for the
dog well and there is funding involved in this and you need materials produced and or you need staff putting hours into communicating with you know how do we get all this you know so there's yeah it's a great it's a big idea but then I I just think we need to figure out how do we make it happen
right so you'd like to see more we we have our beach cleanups that we partner with keep panels beautiful but you'd like to see more city monthly beach cleanups would you John is what you suggested I would like So in
addition to I would look at it as let's step back and reassess this public engagement campaign and education out you know volunteering all of that would be a part of that
campaign and then in under volunteering a how do you do a cleanup would be one idea of a volunteering activity dune savers be it dune savers for the the public beaches or there are private don
our property owner corporation has its own sub dune savers team where they're going out and cleaning up dunes so it's just a part of a broader program that you put on volunteering would be one of them engage you know outreach and engagement to residents beach you know
beachgoers and tourists I think about the world in those street tourists are sleeping in a hotel beachgoers are coming on you know coming to the beach for a day and then the residents live here right because those are three different audiences reach those differently um but you know think about
who they are what they are how do we touch them and like that so it's I think the at least the way I'm hearing you it's a broader campaign that the city would work with the hotels the library you know keep panelis beautiful
departments environment such but we need somebody to be running that as a as a as a program right and then don't forget we'll have try to do an annual student planting you know when the county is able to provide plants for that another
volunteering Yeah well and I wonder if you could do like I know a lot of the hotels are just now starting to reopen but once they're kind of on their feet like we could say "Hey Dawn would you all want to sponsor um a beach cleanup and then you know maybe they are advertising it and
they're kind of I just wonder if there's different ones along the beach that could sponsor and help us get the word out but that's not going to do all the work." The Trade Winds does do a uh a monthly sort of beach cleanup on their own communicate with their they
coordinate with keep panels beautiful on that so they do have a I think there are a lot of things happening it's just a matter of communicating with the masses that this is happening and you too can participate you know like this is open to anyone or see Turtle trackers um I know with the
Tradewinds last I I don't know what's going on with it now but like every other Tuesday they would come and Turtle Joe would show up and um they would engage the kids staying at the hotel they do those things we could open that up so these things are happening we just
needed a little bit bigger scale maybe and have more people doing what the trade winds is doing like reaching out to our visitors to make sure that they're aware of yes so is this item an item for discussion at another meeting is this an initiative are we trying to
cover it here these were our goals i just I this was the one I mentioned because I just feel like you know the four or five of us trying to protect this beach we need everyone doing it like everyone's got to understand like the whole dog the whole
dog ordinance people don't understand why i mean people get mad you know and I get it that's your best friend but they just there's a reason that's a reason they don't go to the beach there's so many reasons so I think until you educate and explain how fragile I mean
there are very a lot of areas on the beach that are fragile and people just don't understand like the nesting ski i mean that's a very fragile environment yeah you know I was thinking that maybe there are some other county or state resources where they have people that do outreach programs and we somehow could
maybe involve some of them and let make sure that or if people are coming out to the trade winds or certain hotels if somehow we could leverage that to make sure that maybe they could also speak at other somehow we can get some more cross uh pollination so to speak or you know
get some synergy there is a contact at FWC that I am aware of that would be I'm sure more than happy to provide more education it's just a matter of where would you like us to be and show up and you know and create an event for that I
suppose i think that would probably tie in well to maybe something at the library or something but having you know to your point having a staff member that is responsible for the program saying "Here's the programming we're going to do then have you know responsible for
going out and getting the speakers and what's someone needs to run that as a program year round." Year with but with specific emphasis on the busier times of the seasons as well because offseason you could be talking about the things that the residents care about you know
could help them dunes and all that other kind of thing and Okay the tourist things or their behaviors before we move on the next section I just like to ask I'd like to go back to the previous public beach because I don't like the way we ended and I think there's a couple things you the
discussion helped um one thing is I want to just make sure was something I said i I've done a lot of research and lot Eminem are very unique in my research they're the only ones I've seen that actually went through the process and were declared private so any when we
talk about things if there's ever a place that could have a lock on their gate it would be lot Eminemn so I'm not I wasn't trying to get into that when I said oh you have a lock and someone else so lot Eminemn is a very are very unique parts of this beach that go way back to
the early 1900s where they they fought the fight when the beaches when the cities were formed and said wait we're private don't be taking that away so I I wasn't trying to take that away either but the other thing though is part of that discussion is that me is that in in
in the discussions we've been having I've I've had hotels say to me well you know we want to let the residents come through so this shouldn't just be public beach access this section should be public and and resident beach access and it's not just about finding roadways
it's finding beach access because you know it's it's a it's a general discussion about how can we help the public and the residents get to the beach and stay on the beach and and and that's really what this item is about so
you know if maybe it's something like the people that live one of the hotelers said to me well you know I'm I'm he's not in the area I talked about he's further south goes I always let the residents who live in that area walk through my beach but walk through my hotel and use the beach on my property
but you know not not being not being bad about it they don't put an umbrella next to you know my my chair you don't bring your drinks where I'm selling drinks that kind of thing so the discussion and we we started talking about the idea well you know maybe different hotels
just would let the residents that are across from them go through and get to that part of the beach that's near them and that informally happens in in in many cases and you patronize the hotel you buy something there and you you behave yourself so that's what this
whole topic is about it's just about public and resident beach access how can we make sure that it moves smoothly it's not trying to start a war it's try to help make it move forward and and maybe it's part of these other discussions we're having but that was that's the
intent here right so if we look at the hotels there there there 11 hotels I believe that sell resort passes to anybody that wants to come for the day excuse me whether it be residents or whatever so they're open to residents coming through and if they're happy to
do that I mean where where's the problem here well not everybody wants to buy a chair if I just want to go to the beach for an hour and you know that's that's their private that's their private beach no it's not uh that's now you're getting
into the other that's customary use again it's they own the land under the beach but I I if you if you look at the video when we got rid of our customary use ordinance which is simply the process of declaring customary use it
was said clearly to the public even then they said "This speech has always been public it will always be public we're simply changing the process for affirmative defense." So this is and I'll I'll send you the link so whether
that that customary use argument going out the window but I was trying not to go there yeah you know owning the land under the sand only the land under the sand is different than being having a private beach so no but anyway okay but the point is the hotels are are now
currently the residents are welcome come through you know well that okay then there's no resistance to that no are you kind of talking about how there used to be certain streets that kind of got closed off is that what you speak public street thorough affairs that are
now the hotel is just kind of Yes that would be another that's what I feel like that's what you're that has happened yes yes but I'm Anyway I just was trying to make sure that I mean live M&N is very very unique situation and and it was not part of this discussion at all didn't
take it that way i just for the record I I do have a conflict of interest on that i am an officer of the Dunar Property Owner Corporation and I'm not voting or recommending anything i just want to be completely above board for it so well we all we all have interest i mean I'm I'm interested in making sure I can get on
the beach but but I just I just wanted to make sure um you know it's it's out there i didn't take in anything you know but it's a unique situation to to that that's it's just a unique and it's very visionary from the the developer of of that plot that's right
that he did that Thomas Road did it very visionary well I I feel like what you're discussing is it almost has to go back to where you go maybe to planning or something you go and you look and see are there easements that existed that have been sucked in that should not be sucked in so I don't know that's
anything that we can Well I agree it's an interesting conversation it's just a legal was looking at it past legal was looking at it because they're the ones that would ultimately be able to do that all right so anyway I would just if we wanted to say public and resident beach access it be the only change I'd make
beyond what we already talked about because I think residents maybe could be treated a little differently in some ways okay okay and we I think we finished up public engagement i I think you need to
share the draft the changes in Yeah I think you've been taking that for us to review at some point but All right i think it's agreed yeah i think I just I'm just wondering like who takes ownership like I kind of I feel like I made like kind of a big topic but then it's almost like we're putting it off on
other people but I don't know it's not our job to run the program staff which goes back to where I started this at the beginning how is the staff going you know you have to have owners i feel like there are resources it's just a matter of organizing the resources to make it
function i guess I just don't know who organizes all that and are we doing away with the discussion of timeline and milestones just basically right now take them and I would just take the dates off because we need to again come back and you know review the the wording that we
just put into that and then we have to have when's staffing going to come available and then you can put timelines to it does the city have a new um public not public relations but I think she was at the recovery meeting i can't think of
her name community development director laura Canary i can't remember but it seemed like she would be a person that could do stuff like that who's the marketing what's his name mark in marketing mark Portugal who does he what group is he directed to the city
manager's office so that's a So we have a a marketing department but I don't know if this programmatically fits into marketing it could it could be under community development there's it's really it's not us to choose where it goes that's a city
manager decision even if this does Francis or the city manager believe that they have the resources to actually do it it's a great idea and we should absolutely do it i just don't with all the priorities and yeah money asks you
know we need a new fire station we need money to fix the sewers both sewage and storm water there's all of these infrastructure needs um I just Okay so we're going to I'll make the
adjustments to um our goal plan send it out have everybody review it if you're happy with it then we can come back and discuss that or at our next meeting maybe I don't know well we'd like this to go to commission to get this sort of looked at so when manager should look at
the resource needs to do this before we talk to us right yeah before we even consider timelines she doesn't have to come talk to us but to let us know however give input yeah yeah i I just want to be very staff
okay um Okay so forgo the timeline at this moment but additional meetings we've decided we're just going to stick with our quarterly meetings special meetings uh as needed you can I like that yep it's good i'm a little disturbed by the fact that
the city commission ruled that we cannot have our members ever be remote um for our meetings they can be removed for their meetings during the summer oh is that true that's what they decided um committees have to be local we have to
be here can be Yes which which works fine for SK because they said well it's a schedule you know but for our case now that we're trying to do dynamic meetings um it'll be a little harder hopefully we can give ourselves more some extra time
I didn't realize that yeah um that's that is a well I guess they meet whatever the week well they they work twice twice a month and they have a fixed schedule and and yeah they want to be able to go away um Is there a clerk question is there
state law requiring in person you know so I'm not an attorney i can't speak to that but I do um believe that that came from a legal matter um I don't know the specifics to it but I do believe it was only there's an attorney general opinion
i believe that states only city commission should be granted that and I can't speak to why or where it came from but that would be legal thank you that answers the question that this is We're not going to change that yeah okay i
didn't get that well whatever yeah i mean we're not going to change it either way um um what should what should our uh how should we approach the issue with Brad because I think
he's has three so recommend we reach out to the um the commissioner for that district which is Karen Marriott that's correct and um ask her to nominate someone else okay i understand she did reach out to him and he said he still
wanted to be on the committee and said he would be showing up to this meeting but uh maybe something so is So is it a does the clerk do you reach out to Karen Marriott does the clerk reach out to Carrie M or the chair reach out i I
think the clerk did last time because at our last stewardship meeting we um asked what was the status of Mr panic so well the issue is that the ordinance says any member who fails to attend three successive regular meetings shall forfeit membership on the committee and
a replacement shall be named by the mayor or city commission as required the chairman may excuse any member from attending meetings upon request and so I'm just throwing out the the actual wording um I have no opinion really on it i I would have the clerk
last time reach out to Commissioner Marriott and I appreciate it never a phone call you want to make and I only looked it up because I was looking up the other thing for for what we do not for that i'm say but you must have something going on i
don't want to There's no judgment yeah her team might be homeless i don't know so um just part of that resiliency discussion you know we we had a guest speaker come to speak with us um that
young lady that had the um underwater artificial reef y do you remember that discussion yes is that something that the beach stewardship's interested in as a long-term
solution for beach resiliency rather than just finding sand placing it letting it blown away get washed away planting that's in the toolbox that could that could we could consider for beach erosion i think it should be considered
um and I wouldn't say no but I also it's a lot of money it's a lot of money if I had the choice between beach for nourishment of up and an artificial reef I would say beach if I was mean I
reourish up a beach first the artificial reef would give us long-term assuming it could live in Yes that's the whole idea oh okay so it's not going to but it will eventually the artificial roof will eventually they plant coral yeah then it grows it takes
energy away from the waves that reduces the wavelength longterm erosion um so I feel like they're all needed honestly i mean it's a tool in the toolbox you would consider as an option okay i forgot about that the other thing tied
to that is it is that I hear that every time we bring in the the sand up them there's still a building that has a pipe that just washes it away i know it's not our our our charter but if we can't get that fixed the maintenance of a public
beach that could be um I I don't know all the facts about it i think it's a condo the condo building just north of the volleyball courts has correct correct drainage again this is all third
pan which blows sand out that might need to be addressed but that that would be the maintenance again it's like planning obviously it's not us it's planning or other departments that do it it like so we just we're in charge of putting the sand in front of the drain and and then the drain washes away and then we're in
charge of putting the sand in front of the drain really is that our only in charge of the renourishment not like why it keeps happening i think it's a good point so that's maintenance and preservation of public beach because that's that's doing the public beach
so there's some way we can I don't know we can't help it because we're not the lawyers but it gets back into that other thing like you you you try to identify it but then what is that all we do we just
say how can we help yeah and I know I've had this discussion with planning Brendan specifically about the the one condo you're talking about and what can we do about it and we thought you know with the damage that they sustained during the storm and they
would have to rebuild their pool would that be the opportunity in time then to say you need to redirect your drainage or or something like that and I I think it was a bit complicated and I'm not sure where exactly where that ended up but yeah well along those lines there's
also hotels so it's identified it's known it's it's you know it's a well-known problem i don't know how to tackle that issue is there were hotels that said that they couldn't put in the turtle glass because there were people living in the units and now the units are empty so if we can remind them this
is that golden opportunity to put in that glass but again it's not like it's just throw it out i'm just throwing out there it's not like an item it's just like right hey remember Okay well thank you very much
what's our next step here is there she took notes and is going to reddraft this and send it to us and uh individually right we can't and then do we change send changes back to her do we wait for our next meeting when when is our next
meeting may may so do we want to try to have another meeting between now and then is there any I mean if we get feedback about resources from the city manager would that be a reason to meet again to I don't know i don't know how soon we would get an
answer on that i mean immediately I would say there is no resource available for that so I think you know the question to public you know public works or is it it's not public works what is it public service services public services in the whole you know the
assimilation of beach under them and the staffing yes that that would be interesting but you know coming back and taking a look at two three you know maybe you you talk to them and come back and say hey you know why don't we come
back in two or three weeks or hey let's talk at our next meeting in May but I wouldn't go too far past having some of the answers about resourcing past the May meeting I'm
willing to meet earlier I've got some travel okay all agree to work around different travel all right no problem I'll ask the questions and get back to We can any communications though should
always go directly only to Iayoko in in response to these things and then and then she'll decide i do what I do i echo and clerk i'm sorry even better even better and then
they they can choose how to communicate it the right way should it just say city clerk or should it say city clerk at St pete or should it be Jenny or should it be any of us we'll all get it if you want to just do I think there's city clerk department okay all of us as well
okay thank you yeah cuz Amber's no longer here she is gone now okay last day yesterday right to see her go i wish her well i wish all right okay we are ajourned