I call to order the city commission meeting of the city of St. Pete Beach. Today is Tuesday, October October 14th, 2025. It is 6 p.m. Stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. City clerk, if you please do a roll call. Vice Mayor Marriott
here. Commissioner Robinson here. Commissioner Rzniki here. Commissioner Maldonado here. And Mayor Petrilla here. We have a quorum. Thank you. First, we have the agenda. Are there any amendments to the agenda as proposed?
If not, like to uh add an item for discussion. All right. The uh historic board uh preservation and authorities, please. Sorry, did you say the historic board? Historic preservation board and authorities. Okay. Okay.
Anything else? I have an announcement I'll make during the city attorney reports regarding a notice of executive session for the red, white, and booze case at the end of today's meeting. Okay. It'll be held on October 28th. Thank you.
Is there a motion to approve the agenda as amended? I move to approve the agenda as amended. I second. City clerk, if you please do a roll call. Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner Rzniki? Yes. Commissioner Maldonado? Yes.
And Mayor Petrilla? Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. Next, we move on to audience comments. City Clerk, are there any general audience comments? Yes. Captain Mark Huard,
if you'll please state your name and address for the record. Yes, Captain Mark Huard with Hovers Marina and uh address 4919 Tangerine Avenue South Gulport. And I'm here to talk to you guys a little bit about uh waterborne
transportation and the previous administration's proposals. uh sitting in your hopper somewhere under a bunch of papers. These things are sitting and uh back in 2015 16 we did a PowerPoint presentation for the uh
commission. All those locations still stand. Um you have some developments taking place that uh you have opportunity to adopt some provisions to have throughputs for uh locations or be
ideal for waterborne transportation. Specifically, what's been come up is uh 8th Avenue Pier RFP is coming up where you can currently uh whoever gets that RFP is uh got full rain over the dock
and with uh waterborne transportation you can't charge everyone per head to come across the dock. So with small uh some language in that RFP giving uh Penelis County or public private partnership opportunity to uh drop
people on off and pick people up there. Also the Corey Landings project here right the end of the street. Another strategic location connecting uh the Corey district to uh other locations up and down the beaches. Uh PSTA is
developing uh waterborne transportation uh much more aggressively now. took many years and developing public private partnerships up in Clearwater, the Crossbay Ferry, and hopefully uh up and down the inter coastal waterway to the different beach communities, taking
people from the hotels to the uh tourism locations as well as perhaps uh enhancing beach access with uh parking in town and coming out by ferry and uh public transportation. So, I just wanted to bring that to the forefront and
remind the commissioners and Penllis County through Penelis Forward has a u draft amendment that uh has been sitting uh for the city of St. Pete Beach to adopt u allowing these different uh
public private opportunities to take place. Currently, there's no provision to legally have a walk-on, walk-off waterborne transportation system utilizing pocket parks. these different locations. Uh 55th Avenue, Landbridge,
uh number number of places up and down Blind Pass that um perhaps with the adoption of this draft ordinance, it would pave the way to for PSTA to develop a public private partnership
along with city of St. Pete Beach and Treasure Island, Madira Beach, and the other beach communities. I thank you for your time today. Thank you, Captain Hubard. you were just awarded the uh contract for the cross for the crossbay ferry. We ha we have uh
acquired that contract. It's not uh been there's not a final vote on it yet, but uh it's we're working on it and hopefully uh we'll be able to achieve uh getting a full contract um resolution and help the county acquire a couple
beautiful boats and hopefully uh phase two of that will be coming around to 8th Avenue Pier Gulport and then connecting the smaller operations up the coast all the way to Tarpon Springs. That was a plan going back to 1999. Sounds good. Thank you, sir. We'll see
you in a couple weeks. Yes, sir. Mayor, speak up a little bit. Sounds good. Do we have any more audience comments? No more audience comments for general comment. Okay. Next, we move on to the consent
agenda. Is there any discussion on any of the items of the consent agenda? I I did have one on item G. Okay. And then also on item I which I item I G and I.
Okay. All right. At your leisure. Okay. Um just wanted to bring up I know that we've talked about the December the December 24th as a holiday. Uh I wanted to bring up the option of doing it as an optional holiday in lie of uh kind of a
floating holiday. My understanding I guess that there was a um vote within the the uh employees as to which that they would prefer. But I have a question too in regards to we've got what is it
13 holidays? Is it 11 if I'm counting right? And are we closed on all of those holidays as well as other holidays? We only close on city recognized holidays. Okay.
So for example, yesterday was a federal holiday. We didn't we we don't recognize that locally. Okay. But the library does they were closed for if they were closed yesterday was because they had an offsite a city off-site with the county. Okay. So all of our holidays coincide
with all of our closed days. There's no extra closed days in addition to the holidays. Correct. Correct. Okay. And um was there a reason for the difference between folks employees not wanting to choose a day as a floating
holiday versus the December 24th. We didn't inquire on the survey as to why. They were just asked did you have a preference and it was a narrow I think 53% to 47. So I I just think it came down to personal preference. And
are we closed on December 24th? No, we are not. Okay. Just wanted to get clarity on that. Could I comment on that because I I don't know if you can hear me, but um because I had discussed it also with the city manager and just as a an idea, a
recommendation um I would like to propose to have it more as a um almost like a winter recess. And this is me thinking as a Penllis County um teacher, you know, and and how we do our holidays versus federal holidays and so forth.
But um having um and I saw that survey, I think it was 43 42, something like that. But that's just showing you that the current demographics of the current employees u about 40% of them are probably celebrating that particular
holiday. Um and then 40 might not be celebrating that particular holiday. So versus calling it a a Christmas Eve, Christmas Day holiday, possibly have like a winter recess much like what teachers do throughout the state of Florida and then offer a floating
holiday for um employees. So they can choose the holiday that might be um for religious um purpose that that they're you know celebrating individually where they could opt to take that day as as a floating holiday. Um you know it it is
difficult you know with a variety of different um religious holidays that many people celebrate. Um instead of kind of differentiating between one maybe give them the opportunity to pick one uh floating holiday and then give a a break uh for for employees overall
having um two days where we know um 40% of our employees would be taking it off. Um, hence wouldn't it be kind of smart to have um office doors open when most of the people aren't here? So, just a suggestion.
And item I Oh, um, excuse me. I I wanted to check with the city attorney on item I um on page uh 235. Is that uh the conflict of interest? Is there a conflict of interest clause in our Stantech
consulting services? Yeah, Becky Vau met with uh John Taylor from procurement and we have a standard clause now that prevents conflicts of interest if we hire a consultant that can't work for say a developer that's appearing in front of the city.
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, city attorney. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? I make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call. Commissioner Robinson,
yes. Commissioner Nikki, yes. Commissioner Maldonado, yes. Vice Mayor Marriott, yes. And Mayor Petulia, yes. Motion carries. Next, we have action items. The first one is 5A resolution 2025-424.
A resolution of the city commission of the city of St. Pete Beach, Florida, amending the personnel rules and regulations with updates to numerous sections, providing for correction of scrier's errors and providing for an effective date. Good evening everyone. My name is Jill
Son and I'm the human resources director. Uh this evening we're requesting your authorization to allow the city manager to amend the personal rules and regulations with the following items that are shown in exhibit A. And exhibit A is attached in your
packets and it provides a highle review of the following amendments. Uh the first is section 1405 hours counted towards the computation of overtime. Uh the next is section 16.10 which is the PTO donation program. The next is
section 29.01 which is group insurance eligibility and items included. And then the last is adding a new section 30 for classification and compensation. What's prompting us to take a look at these updates and the personal rules and
regulations is primarily I think you all know that we're in the process of implementing an ERP system an enterprise resource program which is also a human resource information system combined with payroll timekeeping and other uh programming and workflows that are
embedded in that. Um, meanwhile, we've also had the CWA union descertify back in November of 2024. So, we are now in the process of looking at the personnel rules and regulations and the former CWA union contract,
meshing the two together and trying to take the most generous benefits where possible so that we're not um causing undue uh harm to any of our employees. And the CWA union group is consisting of all of our hourly employees.
So the first one is section 14 hours of work and overtime. Um as at the end of last year, the CWA union descertified and the union represents the hourly employee population. The union contract counted
approved scheduled PTO holidays and mandated training conference time as actual hours worked considering them labor hours towards the calculation of overtime hours. Pardon me for the error, but I would like to strike jury duty from the definition that you're reading
because that is a scrier's error and jury jury duty is not included. Um this updated definition allows us to preserve the status quo of what these um employees are accustomed to without taking anything away from them. So the new paragraph would read for purposes of
overtime computation only approved scheduled PTO holidays citymandated training conference time and actual hours worked as labor hours will be counted toward the calculation of overtime hours.
And then the followup would be stricken. Shall I go through all of them first or take them one by one? I have a question. Um um what is the percentage of our hourly employees? Approximately 50%. 50%.
Commissioner, I just want to remind you about your N. Thank you. Are there any other questions? We can just go through all of them and then okay have any questions at the end. Okay. The next is section 16.10. Uh back
in February of 2024, we updated our PTO donation program and that was implemented. Uh the city manager has asked that we incorporate that policy into our personal rules and regulations. So, this is a program that's simply uh going into the new personal or updated
personal rules and regulations and there aren't any changes to what has been practiced as a past president. Okay. The third item is section 29.01 and that defines the eligibility for group health insurance. So, as we were going through um open enrollment this
year, we were looking at the plan documents for public risk management. public risk management is our TPA um and they oversee our group health dental and vision eligibility. So I would like to add the term vision in that paragraph section 29.01.
And then we are including those employees that work a 30-hour week schedule or more shall be provided not only group health insurance but dental and vision insurance as well. And currently the city does subsidize the dental insurance, but the vision is 100%
employee paid. Okay. And then the last one is adding a new section and the personnel rules and regulations uh called classification and compensation. We would incorporate language stating the annual fiscal year compensation change will be effective the first pay period that includes the
first day of the fiscal year. This postures us to avoid manual calculations and the administrative burden of employees having two separate pay rates within a single pay period. And so what we'd like to what we'd like to add is that the annual fiscal year compensation
changes such as cost of living adjustments will be effective the beginning of the pay period that includes the first day of the fiscal year, for example, October 1st. And then additional compensation uh increases approved by the city manager, including but not limited to merit increases based
on the employees performance evaluations would be effective the beginning of the applicable pay period. All increases must take effect on the first day of the applicable pay period. And what this does is this allows uh us to avoid FLSA issues and just the sheer
administrative burden of separate pay rates in a pay period for an employee. That concludes my presentation and I'll take any questions if you have some. Thank you, Joe. Commissioners, any questions regarding the uh increase in vision
coverage? What is the approximate cost for vision coverage? That's 100% employee paid. Uh so the employees pay anywhere from I think $2 or $3 if you're a single employee to seven or eight dollars if you have family coverage and that's per pay period.
Per pay period. Okay. Thank you. So just to be clear, it's not subsidized by the city. It's employed 100% employed. So this is really just you offer it anyway. So this is just a word
ad to this. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you so much. Thank you, city clerk. Do we have any audience comments? There are no audience comments on this item. Thank you. Commissioners, is there a
motion? I move that we approve resolution uh 2025-24 amending the personnel rules and regulations. I second. City clerk, if you please roll call. Commissioner is Nikki. Yes. Commissioner Maldonado.
Yes. Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Mayor Petrilla? Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. City attorney, please. I have a quick question about the next two items. Are we doing those as one?
I'm going I'd like to read both items onto the record together because they are intertwined and one may be discussed along with the other and then we'll take separate actions on them and it'll be explained as you go through with the staff report. Okay.
So I'll read the first one B and then I'll read C so that we can discuss them. B is first reading of ordinance 2025-20, an ordinance of the city of St. Pete Beach, Florida, approving with reservation criteria and conditions the
allocation of additional units from residential density from the general residential unit ROU density pool reserve as established in the city of St. P Beach comprehensive plan and implemented through the city's land development code to the proposed Corey
Landings development project requested under companion resolution 2025-23 generally located at 10 Corey Avenue and reverting 150 units awarded under ordinance 2022-03
to the name density pool reserve providing for severability correction of scriveners errors construction publication and an effective date. And resolution 2025-23, the companion conditional use permit 2569,
a resolution of the city of St. P Beach, Florida, approving and authorizing conditional use permit to 255069 for the development of the mixeduse Cory Landings project generally located at 10 Corey Avenue pursuant to section 4.7 of
the land development code providing for correction of scriveners errors and an effective date. Thank you, sir. and I will go ahead and swear in anyone who plans to testify on this case this evening.
Please stand. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you, Mayor. We'd also like to ask for exparte disclosures before the staff
report begins. Thank you, Commissioner Marriott. Um, sure. So, um, I've read the staff report and the application, uh, all the emails that we've received. I've visited the site, uh, and walked
around on it. I've had a couple of conversations with the, um, applicant. What am I missing? I think that's all the things. um all the emails that I've received from uh uh residents. Um
yeah, I think that's it. M Robinson, I have uh read the agenda packet. Um gone through that also uh went back through um our uh standards for review and our comp plan. I have uh read all
the emails that I've received um from uh residents. I have uh hosted a um open house at uh resident's house to discuss Corey Landings um in the uh Bayside area community uh Bayside edition and
I have read the latest uh document sent as well from from you Barry uh Brandon Barry uh today that I received in regards to uh changes. Thank you, Commissioner Resniki.
I've also reviewed the application, met with the applicant um a couple of times with all parties that I'm looking at here. Um, I've met with the community, gone to the community, uh, meetings as well that were at the at the city or at the different locations we had
throughout the community and the emails that were sent by um, residents um, and maybe a couple of calls with some residents and then of course discussions at association meetings on the development. Thank you, Commissioner Maldonado.
Likewise, I've read through the packets. I've sat and met with the representatives for the developer. I've solicited and received numerous inputs from my constituents and uh have reviewed policies and strategies that pertain to the uh land
development code. Thank you. I've likewise attended their u the committee meeting from the applicant. I've reviewed their TRC uh meeting. Um read the emails from residents and other interested parties. I've met with the applicant on at least one occasion. I
reviewed the packet provided tonight and as well as the comprehensive plan and land development code. Yes, sir. Thank you, Brandon. Thank you. So, I'm going to start with the staff introduction of the project. From here, the applicant will take over, make their
presentation, and then I have a few follow-up items if the applicant does not address them. If not, we can go through the staff recommended conditions toward the end. So this is conditional use permit 255069 associated with resolution 202523.
That is the project request inclusive of the 39 dock slips that the applicant is requesting. Ordinance 202520 is also associated. That is the density pool request that is being made tonight. These are a major modification to resolution 202203
which was approval for the original Corey Landings project back in March of 2022. The property address that we're speaking about tonight is 0 1071 and 75 Corey Avenue, 0 and 85 Corey Circle, 7375th
Avenue, and 7345 Bay Street. Since the 2022 project was approved, 75 Corey Avenue, which was formerly Charlie's Transmission, and 85 Corey Circle, which was formerly the Blue Parrot, have been added to the project site. The request
is made by lease Batsel, Esquire, Cariff Sterns Weaver Miller for KT Corey Avenue LLC. The request is for a conditional use permit with general residential unit RU density pool reserve allocation to construct a mixeduse project containing 11,000 square ft of commercial primarily
retail and restaurant and 133 residential condominium units of which 25 of those units require the subject conditional use permit that is made pursuant to land development code section 39.18 and through the accompanying density
pool allocation ordinance 202520 28. The applicant is also requesting to construct a 39 slip commercial dock consisting of four class A, which are restaurant facility enhancement slips, and 35 class B, which are private multifamily slips. This request is made
pursuant to land development code section 37.5D. Here is an aerial of the property. It is the vacant land just east of us here in city hall. With the acquisition of the two parcels mentioned before, it now is inclusive of all of the parcels within the town
center to Corey Circle land use and zoning district. There is also a town center to Coina West that is of course not included in this project. It's a it's a two-part district, but it does include all the land within the Corey
Circle um area of the land use district. As mentioned before, this request is a major modification to resolution 202203. Um, due to the changes that were made, it does need to go through steps as if it were a new conditional use permit that approved the vested Corey Landings
project, which was approved back in March of 22. By code, the request is for the following. An increase in density from 24 residential units per acre to 29.5 units per acre. That is condominium residential density. There are 108 units
that are allowed by right as a mixeduse benefit of property consolidation on a site of this size. 133 are requested an additional 25 units. That is a reduction of 110 units from the 2022 approval and that would return 125 units approved
under ordinance 20223 to the density pool. That 15 unit disparity is accounted for by the acquisition of the two additional parcels within the project site. This is also a a modest modification of the commercial class A and B dock proposal that was approved
back in 2022. They are proposing 35 class B which are private multifamily slips. That was 31 under the March 2022 approval. They are proposing four class A which are public multi-use slips. That was eight under the March 2022 approval.
Very similar layout for the the northern and the center dock. uh the southernmost dock has had an arrangement change to move it away from the southern property line. It was one row, it's now two. Um and there was a comparison in the staff report that addressed that that change.
So just to give a basic overview of the project modifications. There is a more detailed table in the staff report. You can see the rendering for the 2022 project on the top of the screen. The 2025 project in its current form on the bottom of the screen. The 2022 vested
approval was proposing apartments. Um both the project at its last major public meeting where it was presented and the subject request that you're seeing tonight is for a residential condo mixeduse project. In 2022, the project was approved for
243 apartment units. What was presented at the February community meeting at the Sarata Beach Resort was for 162 units. That has had a few changes over the last few months. It is currently what is being brought to you tonight for 133 units. That is a reduction from the 2022
approval of 62.6 units per acre down to 33.8 and now to 29.5 units per acre. The 2022 project and what is currently held as a development right on the property is for 150 units. That is a se that is
77% of the city's residential density pool which contains 195 units. What was presented at the community meeting was for about a fourth of that pool. Tonight's request is down to 13%. There has been a reduction in the commercial square footage between projects slightly. Um there's been a
reduction of 13,000 from 13,200 square feet. Under the 2022 approval down to 12,500 was presented at the community meeting. Tonight it is 11,000 square feet. Again, primarily retail and restaurant space. And as I mentioned in the prior slide,
there has been um a change in the allocation of the multif family slips relative to the commercial slips, but there are 39 dock slips proposed overall, which is the same as was approved back in 2022. So, I just have this last slide um and
then the city attorney has a few statements to make about the hearing and then the applicant will make their presentation at the request of the city commission under an earlier project that we saw this year which went through a similar process. It was a lodging project at the time but it was a density pool allocation included in that
request. the first reading of ordinance 202520 which again is the density pool allocation and resolution 202523 which is both the project and the dock request for approval are being opened at the same time. Staff expects there will be
questions for the applicant andor staff to answer after tonight's hearing. We do request a continuence on resolution 202523 unless the city commission chooses to deny the first reading of ordinance 202520 at tonight's hearing. Um the resolution is for the overall project
approval. We would ask that the final vote on ordinance 202520, which of course requires two hearings, be made prior to a determination on resolution 202523. I did also want to state that approval of the ordinance on first reading does
not obligate approval of the ordinance on final reading. And city attorney, did you have any comments to add? Yep. So, uh today is the first reading of ordinance 2025-20. the allocation of the density pool units. Uh your options
there are to approve at first reading and set for second reading or to continue this first reading to another first reading or um continue to to be determined date. If you choose a date certain doesn't have
to be renoticed but if you choose a date to be determined in the future we would republish the public notice. So the attorney, I think I have the same comment for you at the at the last one, which is it seems we putting the horse before the cart.
The cart before the horse, right? That's where it belongs. Yep. So and so I takes two readings and just takes one. I understand. So today we will not vote on the resolution for condition use permit. It's here mostly forformational purpose. That'll automatically go to the next
whenever you have the final reading on the allocation of density units. So even that we have it on on the agenda, we won't take a vote on that until we get to the final reading of the ordinance approving the allocation of those units for the conditional use.
Again, so my question is one, why not have ordinance 20 after 23 because if it's it could be a mood point. I mean, we don't know how it's we haven't seen the presentation. We don't know how it's going to go or just take both at the same time or wait to do the
vote on 20 until we've seen the presentation and everything else on 23. Yeah, you can do that. Um 2023 is a resolution. You could consider that tonight if you want to, but we would like to have the
applicant present the entire project um before you decide e either or those. So, it makes sense to have have those done at the same time. The ordinances take two readings and a resolution takes one reading. That's why we're kind of in this conundrum.
Sure. So, can we take both at one time and then at the end we'll vote? You can hear them both together and then you can vote, but you want to vote separately. Um, sure. And you can choose to go voting first on the conditional use or voting
first on the uh ordinance allocating the residential u allocation. We have it here um to have it the first reading. Have your vote on that first and then the resolution um would not be able to be approved
until the second reading. Okay. Commissioners, any objections? Any objections from the applicant? No objections. Just a point of clarification. So, if you're voting for both tonight, um we would just want to
make sure that the resolution that you're voting on was contingent on final passage so that the vested rights weren't divested and then you don't vote on the units and we have a project that is a CUP with lesser density and then the city commission votes and then there
are no um units allocated to the new project. So, we need staff conditions. We had staff condition I think one two and three there would address that. But those are conditions to the passage of the cup that would be appropriate in the resolution to make sure that they were contingent upon one another at
passage rather than conditions of the cup itself which typically govern how you use the property etc. and we can work that into the resolution as long as they're contingent all of them on final passage
so that we're not investing ourselves of any rights. Staff put in conditions that reference the companion resolution and ordinance and we'd like that both from staff's pers perspective seems reasonable. Any objections?
No. Thank you, counselor. We're ready for you. Good evening. For the record, Elise Batel Sterns Weaver Miller on behalf of the applicant. Uh we have our entire development team here with Coulter
Urban. We have Steve Barber, Brian Van Slike from Sterns Weaver, we have Kevin Rialali today. Uh, our civil engineering team includes Scott Gilner and our traffic engineer, Becca Bond. Our Ech architecture team is
Bob Hall and Claudia Bernell. And our landscape architect is Keith Marorrow, who's on the line. As Brandon said, um, this is a pretty simple request. Even though this is a project that you're considering, the request before you tonight is really two
things. That's to maintain the approval for 39 class A and class B docks as required by 37.5D. As you may or may not be aware, these docks have already gone through the entire Swift MUD uh ERP approval
process. So, they are approved for construction today in their current formation. There's also a request to reallocate 25 units from the existing CUP project to a less intense mixeduse project and to return 125 units to the
residential density pool under 39.18. So Brandon said it was a request to increase density. That's actually legally not accurate. there. The byright entitlements today that exist on the property exist under an existing conditional use permit that was approved
in 2022. That project, as you can see on the screen, allows 243 apartments, 12,000 square ft of retail, 5,000 square feet of restaurant. It also approves the same class A and class B docks that are
before you today. And there was a request at the time which was approved for outdoor dining and drinking with outdoor music. Um the owner of the property has exercised their rights under the governor's executive orders and extended those deadlines out until
2028 and we recently delivered an intent to extend those under Milton. So the earliest that those could no longer be by right would be 2030 and that's if they expired tomorrow. Um, before we dive into the details, I
wanted to show you which property is which. So, the area in green is the property that was originally contained in the cup that is approved, the vested rights for the property today. Charlie's Transmission Shop and Blue Parrot are the areas in blue. Um, and those are
what are added today for a total of 4.51 acres. It's also important um the last time we came before you for a cup, there was a contract purchaser. Uh Coulter owns the property. Uh Coulter will uh develop the
property whether under the existing cup or under this new modified cup. So this is really the sum total of what we're looking at tonight. Um 62.63 63 dwelling units per acre down to 29.49.
That's a reduction of 110 residential units. 243 to 133 actual units. Again, this will not be a rental apartment complex. These are luxury class A owned
condominiums. There restaurant remains, retail remains, and the public spaces have been enhanced and increased to include a public park which was already included, the public plaza, which is an entry area
with nice public art, and the public prominade, which runs along the northern side of the building. I'm assuming everybody in the room is familiar with the area, but just in case you haven't driven over the bridge recently, uh this is what the site looks like today with the exception of the
deletion of Blue Parrot that's been demolished and Charlie's has also been demolished. If you're looking west over the bridge, this is property that is in an area that has not been able to successfully develop since 2007 and 2008. Uh that's when it was originally
sold. It changed hands a numbers a number of times right before the recession. Uh new development would really revitalize an area that's essentially been abandoned and left um to grow weeds and to to hold the storm
water facility equipment from the city. We're excited about what this project can bring to the east end of Corey Avenue from both residential uses and commercial uses. So, the modified CUP, uh, the site plan's a little small, but it is 133
units. That returns 125 units back to the residential density pool. So, if you approve both the resolution and the ordinance, then 125 units go back to the pool to be used on other projects throughout the city or the residential
area. There is a maximum of 500 square feet of commercial space in the building to the north. 4,500 square feet of restaurants, 6,000 retail, and class A and B docks. I can quickly run you through where those are located for specifically for the public.
The condominiums will be in three buildings, really two buildings. Building 1A and 1B are attached with two towers along the uh southern side of the property. Building two, also a mixeduse building, will be along the northern
boundary of the property. The commercial space in building 2 is a maximum of 500 square feet. As you enter into the lobby of the residential building in the corner of Bay Street in the new Corey, you'll see the 4500T restaurant
location. 6,000 square feet of retail will now be where the old Charlie's transmission spot uh transmission shop is. And in the center is the public plaza that we're talking about in order to realign provide access for fire trucks
and also to provide placemaking and a gateway feature into the public park and into the into the development. They're proposing a public plaza. Of course, we're aware of the area right now that is the terminus, the old area
where the bridge used to go over Corey. That's the location of the new public park. Now, one thing that's very different uh in this project is since we are not trying to vacate any portion of Corey Avenue, we're able to take all of the
area of Corey Avenue today that's not including the park in the public plaza and add placemaking sidewalks, um 55 on street parking spaces. Those parking spaces are in addition to what is required for all of the uses on the
property and those would be uh city-owned spaces but of course constructed at the applicant's expense. Also new to this development is the public prominade along the northern boundary of the property. The idea here is to connect the street sidewalks all
the way with the public park along the northern boundary of the property. This would also be an access to the transient docks which are located along the north as well. And finally, 39 boat slips. The four transient slips would be along the northern boundary of the property where
you see the smaller areas and the private docks would be the center and to the south. So, while it seems like one project, your comprehensive plan and code require a lot of criteria to be satisfied. Uh, how many pages, Brandon, is your staff
report? 120, maybe 140. So, we're here tonight to go through each of the criteria with you. Uh, we brought our team of experts in order to show you that we comply with each and every criteria. There are three different areas within the code and the comp plan
that we have to satisfy. The first is section 4.4 which is review standards that apply to all conditional use permits in the entire city. 4.12A is criteria for cups directly in
the community redevelopment district and we'll talk about those standards a little bit. And finally 4.12D are the criteria that we have to show to you that we have satisfied related to the allocation of density to this particular project.
So 4.4 for these are pretty straightforward standards. Consistency with the comp plan, compatibility, transportation, parking and loading, public health, safety, welfare, financial and technical capability, and special substandard districts. This applies to any
conditional use that comes before you and there aren't specific criteria that we have to show in addition to the general criteria. However, 4.12A has a different standard and I think it's important to pause just a moment and talk about it. So the
criteria that we talk about with respect to 4.12 talks about let's say for example transportation right whatever it is that we're saying that we satisfy the question for you becomes is the standard
met and have you whether the criteria given whether it's transportation whether it's noise mitigation does our project unreasonably or disproportionately negatively impact adjacent or nearby
owners. That's the limited scope of 4.12. So when we go through the 4.12 criteria, please note that standard is a different very much limited standard from what 4.4 is by way of example. For example, uh what
is the impact of 1333 condo units on the transportation network compared to 243, right? Does that reduction in traffic yield an unreasonable or disproportionately negative impact? You
do have to look at this all in one big package. And the final set of criteria are 4.12D. This is the criteria that relate to the reallocation of those 25 units from the current project entitled for 243 units
with a in a mixeduse project to 133 units with a return of 125. You're going to be tasked in connection with the set of criteria in looking at the public benefits that we're providing and weighing those public benefits
and how do they weigh for the 25 units that are being allocated to this project and comparing that to the public benefits that were awarded in the project where you had 243 units. They can't again can't be looked at in a bubble.
So to dive right into the criteria before our technical experts come up here, um I want to talk a little bit about Coulter and the financial and technical capability of Coulter. We've already provided numerous documents to staff and staff found in their staff report the financial and technical
capability requirement is satisfied. But I just wanted to touch a little bit on both Coulter Urban and Cultter Multifamily. The folks sitting here with Cultter Urban, they build the luxury condominiums, but as the city manager knows and and I think Mr. Brooks with them in that meeting too, the
multifamily division has also provided qualifications um to build the 243 units should the votes fail for this for the modified project. Currently, Coulter Urban has 4,500 units completed. There are 19 units that are
under current projects. Coulter multif family has 2100 units already complete and 28 current units in current projects. There is 30 billion of completed inprocess and under
contract residential properties and projects. They have a true established operating platform. They do a lot of this right. They know how to do it. They know how to put the teams together. Specifically, Coulter Urban has completed 22 projects recently. We
talked about the 4,500 units and there are 25 plus years of condo development experience on the team. So, with that, I'd like to turn it over to Bob Hall, our architect. There's a few of us here today.
Thank you so much. Got it. Okay. So, as you can see, I'm Robert Hall. I'm the president and CEO of Grow Architecture. I'm in Tampa. I don't know if you need an address, but it's 1213 East 6th Avenue, Tampa. Uh, this shows you I have a master of architecture, a
bachelor of design, and registered with the American Institute of Architects for about 35 years. So, we've been at this a while. Um, I've been asked to show you a little bit about the project. Tell you a little bit about uh, as uh, Elise said
4.12A4. Wow, that's the fun part. That's the aesthetics architectural features of the development including the site layout, physical dimensions of structures such as height and massing, design and appearance of building facades, exterior
building materials, advertising and directional signage, and the provision and maintenance of golf and bay views and vistas. Exciting stuff. So, as you can tell from the site plan and Elise's kind of orientation to this, there's basically two buildings on the
south side and one building on the north side. In the middle is where Corey Avenue comes through the project. We flanked at the very beginnings of those projects two mixeduse retail and restaurant uses. We feel those are kind
of the anchors of the project. It sets up the view corridor to Boca Bay. It really aligns the project. Um in from there you see the traffic circle which is really a public plaza followed by a
public park that is designed intentionally to spread out and bring the view to Bokea Bay. I'm going to read you just a few things about the site layout. The site layout promotes direct public view and physical interaction
with Boca Bay through its Cory Avenue entry, public plaza and public park. The north prominade and transient boat slips integrate with these other site design features of public access in setting this project apart from any others in the city of St. Pete Beach. The
placement of public retail and restaurant amenities at the intersection of Cory Avenue and Bay Street create a dynamic and activated streetscape attracting visitors to this center of the city development. Another uh thing you want me to talk
about is height and massing. The architectural design respects the height requirements of the city while providing varying horizontal and vertical treatments that richly articulate the building massings and proportions. Several architectural features such as
curved and angled wall balcony elements further this articulation of building massing and form. The extensive use of glass also enhances the play of sunlight and shadow across the facades, dramatically contributing to minimizing
the amount of solid wall area. The podium levels also create contribute to the distinctive massing by creating an architectural plinth or base if you will that defines the pedestrian areas, the public plaza, the public park, retail
and restaurant amenities as well as residential building entrances and lobbies. Building facades. The building facades integrate several vertical and horizontal changes of plane and material. The podium levels incorporate openings
that strong relate to the window and balcony openings of the residential facades above. This creates a pleasant rhythm of solids and voids that work in harmony with textural screenings. Architectural speak. God, that's so much fun. The pleasant rhythm of solids and voids
that work in harmony with textural screening. Sorry, I said that. The soft white and off-white tones of the building walls interact well with the subtly colored screenings, glazing, and undulating balconies. The contrasting dark brown color of the aluminum framing
of the glazed elements helps distinguish wall from window. These combinations enhance the reflection and backdrop of the beauty inherent in the hues and tones of Bokea Bay. Complenting these architectural design treatments is the artfully
arranged landscaping that grounds this development to its waterfront site. I think you saw this um elevation before, but this really is this the edge of the park at the water looking back to the project to the development uh at
about a sunset time of day. We have elevations, we have all kinds of things that we were submitted. None of this is really sexy. It's just part of what we're supposed to talk about, right? So, there they are for you. Oops. Oops. Went too far.
Hang on. Yep. All right. Hang on. We'll get there. I want to take you back for a minute to this advertising and signage. The signage presented in the development renderings is is intentionally subtle and made to blend with the residential
facades. The use of vertical blade walls that you see kind of on the left and the right of the retail spaces uh at the north and south of Bay Street elevations are veneered in stonework that complements but also distinguishes these commercial areas of the development to visitors. Although the
specific tenants have not yet been determined at this stage, the designation of retail shops to the north and restaurant, grill, steak, wine to the south are included as placeholders. It is the intent of the developer to submit actual signage of course for approval at the site plan submittal
stage. The last element of 412A4 is about the provision and maintenance of golf and bay views and vistas. Although the development is solely on the bay and not the Gulf, the site and
building design is inherently respectful to its waterfront views and vistas. Through strict adherence to required setbacks, building separation, height, and massing, the architecture provides a strong orientation of both the public and private view corridors and vistas.
No interruption or adverse effect on neighboring properties is present. On the contrary, the development enhances the accessibility and public interaction with this important waterfront site. Some other things we want to talk about
are fire and safety. Sort of not the sexy part, but very, very important nonetheless. As you can see, you know, in fire protection, the buildings will be fully sprinklered, alarmed, and monitored. non-combustible materials throughout type 1A building.
Uh the site designed to ensure fire department access in keeping with the existing CUP which it follows strictly. Uh fire department connections for the St. Pete Beach Fire Department. And as far as security, we'll have throughout the project u access control
devices, video surveillance and monitoring. Another uh topic that we want to talk about is the green building certification. Um I think it is the requirement of the land development code that we provide two certifications.
We intend to do that through the Florida green building council's land development standard and their high-rise standard satisfying 39.9. Those features include energy efficient design using energy star appliances.
Water sense plumbing fixtures meeting low flow standards can be reduced water uh usage by up to 30% reducing impact on city systems. Very important to this town. Vertical mixeduse project in a walkable environment. All of this is
very pedestrian friendly to the W's edge throughout the center of the project, creating parks within, very walkable, bicycle friendly amenities including safe streets, bike racks in and around the project, both inside the building and out uh with maintenance station,
durable, healthy, high quality materials, longevity and resilience, and third party construction management oversight. So with all that said, obviously it's my professional opinion, expert opinion.
Boy, that makes me sound good. The architecture for the modified project is consistent with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan and land development code. The modified project's building design and architecture are compatible with surrounding area i.e. the built
environment. The modified project satisfies the requirements of section 4.12A4 and 412A7 and 4.12D6. With that, I think we have him. Any questions for the architect? Sure.
Commissioners, Commissioner Maldonado, you mentioned the uh placeholder for the retail space and restaurant. To what percentage do you intend uh to complete those spaces? Uh I think it's the intent of the developer to build them all at one time.
The tenant buildout may be staged. We would build to a black box essentially awaiting a tenant. The tenant may get decided during the development process more than likely I would imagine so that they can open at the same time.
Tenants have not been procured as of yet far as I know. Miss Elise. So there would be really two stages in each of those mixeduse buildings. The first would be to get a certificate of occupancy for the residential component and a certificate of completion for the
residential shell. Then the tenant, whoever that tenant in would have to do an interior buildout. Um and so until the tenant is identified, we wouldn't build out the interior space. Um, so they would get a second certificate of occupancy once that space is fully completed with their tenant improvement.
So, it's really a two-step process within each building. Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions? Thank you, sir. Excuse me. Um, the Keith Maro, our next expert, has he was on Zoom. I'm not sure
if he's been sworn. Keith, have you been sworn? Uh, yes. I stood and held up my hand, but I'm happy to do it again if need be. Just making sure. Thank you. I'll you just tell me when you need to advance to the next slide.
Okay. Um, good evening everyone and I'm sorry I can't be with you in person tonight, but uh I am Keith Marl um registered landscape architect in the state of Florida. I am president and managing principal of moral design whose
role on the project is for uh the site development as well as the landscape architecture. Uh next slide please Elise. Sorry I was already there. I'm here to speak I'm here to speak to you uh tonight specifically about section 4.12
a uh chapter 5 which basically pertains to the landscape issues. Um I think we have as Bob mentioned provided a plan which enhances the building podium the public areas
and either meets or exceeds your present code. Um it does exceed the shade tree and shrub requirement um that is published by the city in your land development code at present. And it also
meets the green space requirements uh for open space through both the on ground and the on deck uh conditions. We've provided a minimum of 50% Florida native and drought tolerant
vegetation as well as your coralary requirement for minimum 50% Florida friendly uh vegetation as well. We have also uh anticipated that we'll
have an automatic irrigation system that would include your required rain sensoring for cut off during uh our summertime periods when that's not necessary. And those zones would be specifically zoned u out for individual
turf uh shrub and for specific solar orientation areas. And I might add um that we do intend on uh using your reclaimed water which was brought up in the staff report as well. Um the majority of the plants um have
certainly been chosen both for their longevity um their establishment of ease um because they are both native and Florida friendly um and most importantly I think to the commission and to some of the staff um that do have a
lowmaintenance consideration and we'll talk a little bit more about that in just a moment with one of our next slides. Um and the question did come up in the staff report so we thought we would address it now is that uh there was some concern as to the warranty or
the guarantee period that is commonly acceptable within the state of Florida on construction installation jobs. Typically what we find is that is a one-year warranty period for trees and
palms. That is normally a six-month period uh for shrub material and generally lawn or turf areas are until establishment which is generally somewhere in the period of 2 to 3 months. Um next slide please.
As Bob mentioned to you before, I think these are really just images of sort of uh not long after installation, sort of a plus one-year uh condition that we would expect the project would look like both from the water. Uh next slide,
please. As well as the front condition of the retail area. as we talk about low maintenance and um there is a specific exhibit that we shared as followup after the TRC
meeting. Um generally speaking the areas around both buildings uh are within the plotted uh parcel and would be the responsibility of the HOA for the building itself for their care
and their maintenance. These areas in particular off of the plaza which Elise and Bob have spoken about uh represent a very small area of five different plants which are relatively lowmaintenance and
under the color coding you can see uh one introduces a bit of color, one introduces some texture. We begin to get a little bit of u offset with the grass and the white and
the purple flowers. Um those are all relatively lowmaintenance if not no maintenance. Um so I think we wanted to allow your concern that even though they are in a
limited degree um require some care and attention throughout the year fertilizer application and periodic removal of dead um debris that might uh come with
storms. Um those are effectively something that we would not have to worry about for most of the time. Next slide please. And as I think Bob said, it's my estimation that uh what we have provided
to you both through the TRC and with this subsequent uh submitt um that the landscaping for the modified project three building scheme meets or exceeds all of your current land development code requirements.
um as well as the landscaping for the modified project also satisfies section 4 uh-12 chapter A section 5 as well as 4.12 section D number eight uh for landscape
requirements. Are there particular questions that uh any of you might have? Commissioners, Commissioner Robinson, what is the your impervious ratio for not including any any of the public
or city- owned land? I can answer. Um, could you repeat that? I had a little uh difficulty hearing you. I was asking what percentage is your uh impervious ratio for your property not including any
public or city-owned land. I'm happy to answer if you like. Commissioner Robinson, I'm going to defer to Scott on that one. Um Kimley Horn has prepared that and I think they're going to cover that um information in the next section of the
presentation. Thank you, Keith. Um, I do know it's 7.7 F. I'm sorry, ISR. And I just wanted to go back for just a moment and make one note. The modified landscaping, we did work and meet with the city manager on
this. And these are offered as sort of lowmaintenance alternatives. We have worked through the city attorney and the city manager on a condition that allows the city manager to change those, to value engineer those, whatever you'd like to do from a maintenance perspective. We wanted to provide this
option so that it was pretty and very low maintenance, but if you don't want anything in there or you want something even more low maintenance, we're happy to put that as well. It's up to the commission. Uh, so next Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Becca Bond.
Good evening. Uh, as introduced, I'm Becca Bond, a licensed professional engineer in the state of Florida, a certified planner, and a transportation engineer at Kimley Horn. Tonight, I'm going to be going over the traffic impacts of the proposed modification. As mentioned by previous speakers, this
application is a modification to an approved CUP. The approved project that was vested in 2022 has a vested trip generation of 157 PM peak hour trips. The proposed modification is anticipated
to generate 82 PM peak hour trips. This subject request therefore results in a decrease of 75 PM peak hour trips when you compare to the 2022 vested development. To help create a visual of this decrease, um, we've prepared this slide
to show the decrease in PM peak hour trips along each study roadway segment. The traffic impact analysis that was approved in 2022 with the vested development demonstrated that the study roadway segments have adequate capacity and the study intersections were
anticipated to operate acceptably. With the decrease in project trips associated with this proposed modification, there will be additional capacity remaining along those roadways and at the study intersections. I'm going to walk through the transportation related conditional use
criteria starting with section 4.4 A3. This states whether the transportation system is capable of adequately supporting the proposed use in addition to the uses in the area. Evaluation factors include street capacity and level of service, access to arterials,
transit availability, on street parking impacts if any, site access requirements, neighborhood impacts, and pedestrian safety. As mentioned, the traffic impact analysis reports acceptable capacity and no level of service deficiencies or
intersection failures. Access to arterials is provided through Corey Avenue. Transit is available nearby. On-site parking requirements, on-site parking meets code requirements, and additional on- street parking is provided in access. Adequate and safe
site access is provided with the project and internal sidewalks are provided to allow for safe, unobstructed and efficient pedestrian flow. There are no neighborhood impacts aside from general and studied impacts to roadway capacity and level of service.
The second and final transportation related criteria is detailed in section 4.12A2 which states transportation infrastructure including ingress and egress from public rights ofway traffic control devices and signalization internal vehicle circulation of the site
design and function of parking areas loading and unloading areas pedestrian transit infrastructure and amenities and public sidewalks and roadways. For this project, parking meets code as previously stated and the site provides internal circulation. There are dedicated loading areas provided on site
and pedestrian access and connectivity are provided throughout the site. In my professional expert opinion, the transportation system is capable of adequately supporting the proposed uses. The proposed site transportation infrastructure is sufficient to support
the proposed use. And the proposal satisfies sections 4.4 4 A3 and 4.12 A2. Thank you. Commissioners questions. Commissioner Robinson.
Um, what did you use for peak hours? So, we used the PM peak hour, which is the industry standard. What hours specifically? We collected counts from 4 pm to 6 pm and then the for the existing counts whatever the highest hour was within there for each
of those intersections is what was analyzed in our analysis. Okay. What are the peak hours for a a beach area? The peak hours for a beach area. Correct. Any area
industrywide you study the PM peak hour. That is the heaviest hour of but that's not correct on our beach. Our beach our beach hours are more like 11 to 3. They are not your typical you know 5 to 7. Correct.
So you you you did not use the the typical beach hours. Correct. We are following the industry standard and the what is set forth in your code for what we are required to analyze. What did you use for peak days? the peak day which is any day between
Tuesday and Thursday. So you don't study u Monday or Friday, you standard study the standard weekday on a beach community. The peak days are the weekends. Correct. Well, on a beach it depends. Correct. It depends. There are some uses that are
heavier on the weekends. However, you've been to this beach on the weekend. Absolutely. I come to this beach almost every weekend. It would be so you've seen what we are required to study what is set forth in your code. So it we're it is the industry standard. It is set forth
in your code. We are required to follow the forward panelis traffic impact analysis methodology which requires that we study the PMP hour but it's misleading as to what our community is. And for the record, um the city traffic
engineer uh did approve the methodology used by Kimley Horn for this transportation study. Um there was a specific methodology that was required for this study and so we performed it according to the city's methodology. Um, we I will note also that on other
developments, the city has required over on the beach a 24-hour count. And we found that those hours weren't necessarily any more peaks than than national standard when you adjust seasonally. Um, and so perhaps that's why the city's transportation engineer did not require that in this particular
situation. Well, I would have to ask him that if he's here, I'm assuming. And um is have you talked to FDOT in regards to the ingress uh coming from um onto the city heading southward into the city?
No, there's no FDOT required permit for access coming over 75th. As far as the amount of traffic to take a lefthand turn on domain growth for our analysis we study it based on the uh facamus model which is an FDOT
uh traffic modeling for the distribution. So we do use the FDOT model that is prepared packaged and provided by FDOT to determine the percentages of the distribution. How how long is the turn lane to to turn
onto Mangrove? I'm so sorry. Will you repeat that question? What is the length of the turn lane to turn on to Mangrove? I do not know that off the top of my head. How many cars are you expecting? We have what is it? 373 uh parking spaces plus
another 75 in the commercial side. So, we're looking at what 450 from a traffic standpoint. I'm just trying to figure out talking about the generation. How many cars would can the turn lane fit up here at Mangrove coming off of the bridge?
the turn lane. We studied that intersection. There is it is below the volume to capacity ratio. There is ample length and we all of that has been analyzed in our analysis. I I did not see that on there. And did you analyze Sunrunner in the adjacent
lane as a bus stop? And this is just I'm concerned from a safety standpoint for um ingress and egress coming from South Pasadena and going back over. The concern being it's coming over, it's a fairly steep drawbridge and when you come over it at a quick
pace and if there's not enough room in that turn lane at Mangrove because that's where everybody's going to turn and I every resident that lives out on this area in district two knows that in probably district three and district four that it's not a big turn lane
and it there's potential for accidents there from that if it's backed up to that point and as well you have in the right hand lane you have Sunrunner which is a bus stop so every 15 minutes
so you have quite a big potential for backups and accidents coming there depending upon how much traffic is being generated have you looked at moving that turn lane to just in incorporate
um Boga Drive the turn on to Boca Drive is I want to clarify exactly what your question is. Is your question whether we've looked at modifying the turn lane? Correct. No. We modeled Mangrove Avenue and 75th Avenue. That was one of our study
intersections. So, we developed we have existing counts there. We've grown those existing counts using a growth rate and the vested developments in the area that were requested by staff which included Sarata, Myiramar, and
excuse me while I remember the the third. Those didn't use the correct winds. Thank you. Those didn't use the weekend peak hours, nor did they use the peak days either. But regardless, um the max you can fit is about five cars in that turn lane to get over to Mangrove, which is going to
be exactly where everybody is going to turn to get to your development. Yes. In or if we're talking about total trips that are going to be in that turn lane in the PM peak hour, there are 102 vehicles that are anticipated within an
hour. So, if you do that per minute, it's just over one vehicle per minute. And then you have a uh I'm sorry. How many cars per hour? 102. How many minutes in an hour? 60. Okay. That's more than one.
Yes, but it's it's less than two. Well, it's way closer to two. Wouldn't you say it is less than five, which is what you know she has stated fit in the turn lane. Want to make sure we're accurate on the numbers. And then you have a a bus stop that stops every 15 minutes in the righthand
lane. The concern if this is too much the concern is is safety at that area. I understand and ask and you haven't you haven't talked to FDOT
to see if there's anything you can do to alleviate that. Sure. Hi Jackner with Kim Horn for the record. Uh we have spoken with FDOT. So a couple things to clarify as we're going through this one. We have spoken with FDOT. we've taken into account, but we'll do
that in permitting as we go through that process. So, if they want us to modify the turn lane, we'll modify the turn lane. To to your point about parking and the number of units, at no time will every single unit be emptying or every single I realize that. I realize that,
but that makes a difference. So, then the second part is the distribution matters. Not every car is coming into that turn lane and making a left. They're not all going out to Bokeh. They're not all going out to 75th. Some are going south. Some are going north.
So there's a distribution. Every block you move away, the distribution gets wider and wider. So there's less and less percentage on each segment. So that's an important aspect, too. So when we're saying that it's 1, 1.5, 1.6, keep
in mind that's all of the traffic we're talking about as we're going a certain direction or so. You have to think about if someone's coming in on 75th Avenue, if they see people in that lane, what do you typically do? Because I've done it many times. I bypass that lane and I go
down to Boca. You can't do that if there's a if their Sununner is stopped there. And on the weekends during the peak hours and and peak days, it's extremely difficult. It gets backed up all the way to South Pasadena. And we've also counted on the
weekends before and it actually has made no impact on the traffic study before. So we've done all the things you asked and actually you've answered it already that it it doesn't make a difference. We did it for the past projects. We still end up with the same position is which is we're pro creating providing there's
less traffic impacts with this development we proposed before you tonight. Well, I'm still concerned about the the safety issue on that. Good. and and especially on 75th Avenue. We did model that because that was something we thought about as well. The capacity on 75th Avenue as you go over
into Pasadena is three lanes, but you have the Sunrunner on both sides with the turn lanes. And then coming this way, we did model it that way as well with the new capacities because the um forward penellis was updated. forward penalis was updated uh after we actually
called them to talk about it and brought the lanes down and then reran the analysis. It did not make a difference as well. Thank you. And as far as neighborhood impacts, um
there's concerns uh for um heading on Bay Street for um any traffic heading south trying to get to G Boulevard. What are you doing anything for those residential streets? There's nothing proposed today. They
modeled they have capacity. Um if there are concerns regarding potential traffic along those roadways, you know, traffic calming can always be explored. Uh Forward Penelis has a safety action plan that outlines different uh traffic calming measures
that could be implemented along those roadways and I'm sure the team would be willing to explore that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions? Thank you. Guess I don't need my phone here.
Uh, brief introduction again. Sorry I jumped in before. Scott Gilner with Kimley Horn and Associates, 2011 North Franklin Street, Tampa, Florida 33602. Uh, civil engineer registered in the state of Florida. I'm here mainly to speak about uh I'm the PM of the project, project manager of the project,
but I'm also here to speak mainly about the civil engineering components. Bob happened to take a lot of the thunder with the sexy parts in architecture. The civil engineering is not nearly as exciting, but um so I I want to kind of go back to the original approved plan,
the current CUP approval before you. One of the things when we looked at that project and went forward, it was looking at the visioning plan. I believe comes back from a number of neighborhood meetings in 2014 2015. Um, and in this project as well, we were looking at that. Now, we looked at it. We looked at
the vision plan, but we also heard a lot about what the neighborhood and the comments and the neighborhood meetings. So, the scale and the size is a little bit different than the various plans that you all had in the vision plan, but we believe we're honoring that and going through that. So as we walk through this, I think we're going to look at the compatibility as we go through this
process. Um for my portion of the presentation, I'm going to detail how the engineering perspective and how we fulfill the goals of the vision plan while also providing you new infrastructure uh uh new seaw walls, providing storm
water resiliency uh enhanced mobility and pedestrian facilities as well. So the standards uh that I'm going to hit on in particular are 4.4 A2 compatibility 4.4 A4 parking and loading as well. So, as been as we've been
discussed by my colleagues before me, the proposal before you today is more than a compatibility with zoning planning visions of the city as well as the existing area, perhaps even more so uh than the previous iteration and honoring what the neighborhood meetings and all of the residents have have
talked about. The condominium component reduces expected traffic when compared to the previous approval while matching simmer uses to the south. uh also has the activation that we've talked about, the bookending of, you know, at Bay Street with Corey Avenue, restaurant,
retail, drawing people towards that water on the eastern end, um providing a public park, all of those things that are really in the vision plan and discussed as part of it. um hit on this piece uh just kind and and at least and
everybody so we're a little bit redundant in what we're hitting but we want to make sure we hit all these components. So uh you have the location of the transient docks you have the new bulkhead public park increase of on street parking significant increase of on street parking as you're looking at
it. Um and all of these are at the cost of the developer so they're not at the cost of the city in these cases. Um, we also include uh replacement of existing seaw wall including the existing seaw wall that is at the end of
Corey Avenue sitting in the rightway. So that is not a city cost. Um, let me see here. Parking and loading section 4.4 A4 um will meet or exceed the required parking per city standard. Um, on the next slide
here you'll see that we have loading unloading on every property. So offsite from oh I'm sorry onsite from our perspective off offsite for you all with the rightway. So loading is not done in the rightway. You don't have trucks loading. There's actually a dedicated
location. Um and so you can see all those here. You have auto turns shown here where the loading and unloading occurs. You have bike parking both in the garages as well as on public rightway. And you also have loading spaces shown designated within each of
the buildings that we're talking about. Uh getting into section 4.12 uh cup and really utility infrastructure, transportation infrastructure, storm water and emergency management management will be the items that I'll hit on here. Right.
And so as we're working through this process, I want to make sure that we're clear and at least had alluded to this before that the impact here is not an unreasonable or disproportionately negative impact upon the adjacent or
nearby properties. I think in some cases actually we're significantly inc improving what's what's happened or currently occurring. So, um I don't certainly think it's a benefit in many cases. Okay. Utilities first. Um sanitary
sewer, portable water, solid waste all currently meet concurrency estimates. Um electric, gas, telecom services uh all have available services. Um electric and telecom in particular uh have letters in
hand. School concurrency. Penelis County School Board has already confirmed there's more than adequate capacity in schools. Uh park impact fee will be paid per code. And in addition, the proposed development will also include the new park being constructed by the applicant
at their sole expense. We have uh secured and submitted into the record letters confirming the availability of all utilities in accordance with the city regulations. We will be again updating those during the site programming process. So right now we can only do a preliminary concurrency
estimate. We have to continue to do that until we get to final fixture counts, you know, exact number of showers, toilets, etc. um exact sewer then is driven off that demand and then we work through that process to reserve our concurrency at that time. It's also
important to note that all these oh well we we hit on that piece. Um transportation infrastructure I think there's many examples here uh regarding the proposed improvements comply with this subsection. So we have uh compared to the existing conditions or previous
development on the project site there will be a reduction in the number of driveway curb cuts in the proposed devel development. There are two primary curb cuts one for each respective build building that will be the main ingress egress point for residents as well as service and loading areas on site. This
reduces potential conflict points with pedestrians, keeps the loading and service area vehicles from serving uh that are serving this development from loading and unloading within the right ofway. Um there's three designated loading and solid waste curb cuts in the development that are off the public
right ofway. Um we narrow travel lanes to act as traffic calming, enhancing the pedestrian experience, including stop conditions, ADA sidewalks. The sidewalk bouts are added so that the travel distance for a pedestrian walking across the street is not 30 or 40 feet. It's
narrowed down to 24 feet. Uh we propose traffic control improvements such as accessible ramps, crosswalks, stop bars, uh new signage, etc. uh wider sidewalks in particular along Corey Avenue, the public prominade, much
different than uh what you see currently out there, which is a pretty desolate area, a lot of really wide pavement, and not a lot of order to what's going on. So, there's a lot of movement within vehicles, narrowing that down, creating
traffic calming, making it much more inviting for pedestrians as we go through the process. Currently, what you see is a lot of lack of raised curbs, uh, areas without sidewalk entirely. I don't I'm pretty sure, and I haven't measured everything, but not much meets
ADA accessibility. Um, lack of green space, lack of crosswalks, um, lack of defined on street parking. So, when Charlie's was there, it was pretty much a free-for-all. A lot of parking just kind of within the rightway up against the fences. Um and so you know uh wi
with this proposed development you have a lot of order that brings in defined spaces defines where pedestrians should be defines where vehicles should be as well. So with that you know the rendering you've seen before but again curb sidewalks wider sidewalks accessible
ramps now meeting current ADA standards uh narrower vehicle travel lanes with traffic calming. Uh, I think it's important to note one one thing particular. When the travel lane is then divided with on street parking and then the pedestrians are further away, it
just enhances that pedestrian feeling when they're walking down a sidewalk. Uh, makes a much different buffer than you would if your sidewalk is immediately adjacent to a travel lane. Uh, storm water section 4.12A3. If I go back to the slide, I don't know
if I need to. I mean, on Corey Avenue now, Corey Avenue Circle as you see it today, the runoff from storm water in a rain event, sheet flows directly across the properties as they exist today into a couple of the curb inlets that exist,
if they're not blocked, bypasses it, goes down Bay Street, goes in all different areas. It's really not controlled or defined in any way with what we're do. and and all of it all of it predates uh any type of storm water management system in the sense of
treatment attenuation um before it discharges into the bay or into the system the city system at large with this proposed storm water system uh you're talking about a significant improvement uh from the existing conditions by collecting the storm water
uh the majority of the storm water within the right of way uh of Corey Avenue the circle and Corey circle will be collected in inlets. It'll actually brought be brought into our project site into the stormwater vault system. The property itself will then
also be brought into the storm water vault system. It'll be treated and then it'll be discharged out into Bokeh Bay. But with this stu new state water storm state storm water regulations, um the treatment and nutrient removal has been significantly enhanced.
Currently there's none and it will be significantly enhanced from what what it is today. Uh again just another kind of important piece and and this is really we we take the city's code and criteria in but in this case the water management code
criteria is more stringent. This is talking about the best management practices and nutrient removal and the new state storm water regulations that come into effect in December. Uh all that will be part of this. Bokea Bay is also a outstanding Florida water. So again it has another heightened level of
nutrient removal that'll be brought into effect. Going from absolutely zero treatment to basically an OFW requirement is is a significant enhancement in this process. Uh just a few kind of locations where
you know curbs overrun grass grown in sheet flows where it wants the curb inlets uh you know are pretty in disrepair. All of these things will be replaced as we work through this development and and work on it. New storm pipes will be placed in the right
of way as well as connecting into our vault system. um all bringing you know updated infrastructure uh treatment uh and and and significantly improving the storm water system. I think an important aspect of this also is one of your
components and and one of the issues that you all have as a city is the the um capacity of your stormwater system is somewhat limited. You also have a lot of aging infrastructure within your stormware system. And with that being said, this is taking that burden away
from you. Significant amount of the water, any of the areas, and this includes um Charlie's and Blue Parrot that weren't in the previous development. We're now taking that additional area as well, Cory Circle as well as the previous development um and taking all
of that into both storm water vaults, treating them and then discharging off into Boca Bay. Again, uh just kind of an illustration graphically showing that uh on-site stormwater vault in both buildings. So, you have building one and building two.
You have all new city infrastructure within the city right ofway, new seaw walls including within the city right ofway as well as increased green space within the public right ofway. So again, less storm water in general. Um and then also treating it and discharging it off
site. I know we've been asked this question before. Just kind of want to show you it's just a schematic of the storm water vault system. Basically part in underneath the parking garage. We'll collect the water underneath there then discharge it out through the seaw wall. But it all goes through multiple
filtration systems as it works through that process. All part of the water management district criteria as we work through it. And this includes a good portion of uh the public rightway. So all of the area in green will be collected and then
treated within the vault system under the buildings and then discharged off same as the buildings and the podium level as well any of the ground level at grade uh within the uh proposed site. I I did want to make clear though there
is a section in the red hatched area that does remain discharging to the city system but that is a significant reduction from what currently runs to the city system and won't be treated uh emergency management and I think when
we hit on this before and previously and before you um I think it's important that all of these buildings are built to new code um that includes includes wind loadings, uh, hurricane ratings, um, you have fire codes, um, and in addition, in
this particular case, we're building a new seaw wall meeting FEMA standards. And with that, we're doing a conditional letter of map revision, which effectively, we raise the seaw wall, okay? And then we actually lower the
base flood elevation. I know that may sound a little odd and so it allows us to interact um more easily with the street because one of the things is you want your restaurant your retail to interact with a street. So by raising
the seaw wall we make it more floodproof uh more resilient but we also give it the ability to interact with the adjacent right ofway which makes it more pedestrian friendly for both the interaction with everyone. Uh
the seaw wall is not just it's the entire perimeter. So it starts at the southern point where we have the seaw wall works all the way around the southern property. Corey Avenue rightway is included. Works around the northern property and basically stops at the terminus of uh 75th Avenue rightway.
You know, I I know we've talked about this a lot in the past. New construction is a form of resiliency. You're meeting you have better flood control. You have better flood resistance. You have hardened structures that meet code. They meet the new wind loadings. Um, in
addition to this, we have FEMA rule limits, repairs, you have impacts tied to that. All of the residential levels are they're not, you know, retail and and restaurant are at the base flood elevation or the plus one. The ret the
um, excuse me, the residences are above the podium. So, they're even more flood resistant than even the restaurant and retail. So, I think that's an important component to think about as well. And these have a direct effect on the recovery and how much the city has to interact with residents. You know, now
if you're 10 or 20 feet above that sea level rise or that storm surge makes a big big difference as you come back and try to get recovery going as well as uh city economics piece. Uh I think this was something that that uh Brandon had asked us to kind of touch
base on the FEMA letter of map revision. When we do a FEMA letter of map revision, we only do it for our property because we're only in control of our property. But I think there's a lot of indirect
uh benefits here where we raise the seaw wall. If you were to have a storm surge that came in and wave action from the east, that seaw wall would trip waves and protect our property, but it would directly also protect any of the
properties immediately to our west, if that makes sense, because they get we don't necessarily show it in the map, but there is a direct benefit to those properties as well. And it's only because we don't we don't actually own and control those properties. Uh, another question that came from
Brandon and and this is regarding some of the other permitting we have going on. So, as we're doing the seaw wall, we have to go within 12 to 18 inches of the existing seaw wall. So, the new seaw wall will be placed immediately in front or the water side of the seaw wall. And
in doing so, we impact a couple of small mangroves. There's some invasive species we remove, but there's also a couple small mangroves that we remove. In doing so, um I'm sorry, one mangrove we remove and the others are going to be basically
tied back while we drive the sheets and then they remain. But in doing so, uh, the offset and the mitigation was, we're removing a number of the boat ramps that are I I'll call they're very loosely called boat ramps, but they're the decades old boat ramp that's probably
poured in a number kind of uh uh makeshift concrete ramps and we're removing those to restore the habitat water of the seaw wall and that was the offset for removing that single mangrove. We went through the process with the Army Corps of Engineers, Water
Management District, Penelis County Water Navigation, as well as uh City of St. Pete Beach Seaw Building Permit. Um that permit has since lapsed, the seaw wall building permit. We'll be reapplying for that, but we were just waiting for the process to start over
again. Uh Panelis County portable water usage. This is something that I I think Brandon as well. We're trying to determine from your average sewer flow rates how you do portable water usage. They're not exactly equal. The systems are are
designed differently, but we did reach out to Steve Allen at Penelis County as recent as yesterday. Uh again, this property has more than adequate or excuse me, this area and the Penelis County water system has more than adequate capacity to serve this property from a portable portable water
perspective. We will continue to go through that process. Uh as we develop the building, water fixtures, the fixture counts will be applied for through Penelis County. Um but there see no reason, especially with the reduction
from, you know, 243 units to 133 units that we should have any issues with that. Uh and finally, in my professional expert opinion, as conditioned, the modified project is consistent with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan and land development
code. That is section 4.4 A2 and 4.4 A4, section 4.12A1, 4.12 A2, 4.12 A3, and 4.12 A8. Thank you, Scott. Any questions,
commissioners? Thank you. Good evening. My name is Ken Metaf. I'm the director of planning and development services with Sterns Weaver Miller in Tallahassee. Uh I have a background uh professional experience um working
really all over the state of Florida. I have a master's from Florida State University. Uh I'm a certified planner. I've been doing this for about 40 years, about half of that in the uh public sector, about half of that in the private sector. So I I can understand
both perspectives, I think, pretty well. This is uh really going to kind of be a recap of what you've heard from our other experts. I thought they did a great job in summarizing consistency issues. It kind of makes my job doing the recap pretty easy. Um I'm going to cover the statutory consistency
requirement, get into a little bit of a detail about the uh the legal standard uh address compatibility uh and then finally the code sections. You've already heard uh a summary of the uh of the development program, so I'm
not going to spend time on that. As you've uh previously heard, we're in the SPA1 land use category, also uh known as the community redevelopment district. Uh this project's also within the downtown uh subd district and then
the uh the TC2 character district. You've heard the uh the seven criteria already, the standards for conditional use review that are uh citywide. So, I'm not going to read those, but uh you've
heard that summary already. Uh comp plan consistency, compatibility, the transportation system, uh off- streetet parking, general public health, safety, and welfare, the financial technical capability of
the applicant, and then finally uh whatever additional standards uh might apply that would be uh would be necessary to ensure consistency. So this is uh this is how the statute
section 163.3194 subsection 3A addresses consistency of development orders. Um key here is really that there's an emphasis on land uses permitted uses as well as the densities and intensities
and other criteria that are enumerated by the local government and the comprehensive plan. Uh the analysis you've already heard touches on all of those items on the right side of the screen. Uh the permitted uses uh uh including the
the residential and the commercial are authorized by your by your comprehensive plan. Uh the density, the intensity are all within the comprehensive plan thresholds. You've heard about the infrastructure capacity and so forth.
These are some of the policies uh that uh we've divided out into the sort of the three categories of this of the SPA1 uh the downtown redevelopment district policies as well as uh the TC2 Corey circle district policies. U
the project's consistent uh with the roadway and multimmodal design requirements. Uh the shuttle uh would have an opportunity to use the roundabout to to drop off people, pick up people. Uh there's places that people
can uh uh can where they can enjoy uh uh the park and and some of the uses on the property while they're waiting for the shuttle. So there's there's opportunities for for shelter from the shade or excuse me, from the sun uh to get some shade. Uh, this project's
consistent with all of the mixeduse requirements. It's also uh from a design perspective, and I'm not going to delve into that. Bob did a great job in covering that. Uh, but uh from in terms of the TC2, we're consistent with the design requirements for the storefront
character. Uh, the retail and uh and um restaurant uses that are accessible from from grade level. uh as uh as you heard that they've made some adjustments with uh that they're pursuing uh for the LMAR
uh that allows better interaction at that street level. Uh and of course we're consistent with those standards for permitted uses. These are the uh the numeric thresholds that you've heard about already. Uh we're consistent with all of those. These are these are all as of right
other than the uh the the 25 units that we would uh draw down from the from the density pool. Uh that's really the the conditional use aspect. Uh we're returning again 125 units uh to that
pool that the city can then allocate uh for other types of residential development. were consistent with the level of service standards uh and as well as the multimodal design requirements that you've heard about. Uh the housing
objective really targets or focuses on the idea of a suitable mix of housing. Uh this is this is luxury housing for sure. U but returning the 125 units provides the city with an opportunity to address other housing needs.
have plenty of infrastructure capacity as you've heard about, transportation capacity. Uh we meet the storm water requirements that Scott went into in some detail, Florida landscaping requirements that our landscape architect discussed with
you. Uh the native uh landscaping and then finally the level of service standards for recreation. There's some, you know, similar requirements between the code and your comprehensive plan. Those code sections list those permitted uses that we've
discussed. Uh, same density F and ISR standards in the code as we have in the comprehensive plan. Site plan demonstrates consistency with the setbacks and the parking requirements. So that was the first section uh in in
the review criteria of the standards. The second one deals with compatibility. Uh there's a state definition for that. Basically, it means that two uses can coexist over over time without negatively impacting each other uh to
such a degree that there would be uh uh friction or or difficulty uh between the uses. Uh in this case, you know, this is a residential project in a residential area. Uh it's a it has the mixed use that your your uh town uh uh vision plan
calls for. Uh so we're consistent from a compatibility standpoint. I will say that, you know, the town's approach essentially addressed compatibility by the way you dealt with your zoning. And so you've you've allowed as of right uses the 86
ft building heights uh within this area recognizing this is kind of a unique situation with the kind of a peninsula pu uh piece of property if you will. It's really ideally situated from a compatibility standpoint to uh mitigate impacts potentially to to the neighbors.
One of the key uh I think design requirements is the idea that all of these activities are occurring toward the interior of the property. In other words, uh there's not a lot of activity that actually occurs out on the outside edge of the property, which is which is
of course helpful. Uh your setbacks require a step back as you uh as for for building height uh uh uh as building height increases, you step back the step backs. Uh that's another compatibility
strategy that the city itself uh has adopted. Terms of the commercial uses um you know we don't have the outdoor music that was uh in the previous uh project the vested project. We don't have that. Um we did
notice a comment from your planner uh discussing concern about recreational rooftop recreational activities. I actually believe that it's better to have those elevated. There'll be less noise impact on the neighbors by having
them elevated. But but really all we're talking about here is, you know, kids yelling at at the swimming pool. That can happen on any residential project. Kids playing in their backyards. Residential to residential's always been recognized as a compatible condition. So
I'm not concerned about the idea that uh that we have recreational activities that might generate some noise up. That will be very minor. Uh the parking structure, you know, it's it's designed to avoid any impacts on on neighbors. Lighting will be to code and
reduce glare. Uh interior locations will minimize impacts in terms of odors. Uh of course, the boat slips are are compatible. You've already heard it in some detail about the traffic. Shouldn't be any neighborhood issues with this project terms of in terms of traffic
impacts. The compatibility with existing public facilities under construction is really not applicable. Compatibility with existing public facilities in this case were uh you know we're adding landscaping to your park, soding it uh
uh really I think making it a complimentary uh use to the to the mixeduse project. These are the remaining criteria uh under section 4.4 4 A2. Uh again, transportation and parking are
satisfied. I think the health, safety, and welfare is is addressed by returning those 125 units to the to the density pool. This will really be a transformative project. I mean I think it's important to think about the idea that the old project would have had the
vested project that is would have had the trans the transmission uh business right there at the gateway right there at the middle of the project. That's the first thing you would see going forward. Uh and now that's going to be changed to a beautiful retail building. Uh very
walkable. Of course, you've heard about uh Coulter's financial capability in executing these these kind of uh impressive luxury resort mixeduse projects. And then finally, the substantial public benefits that you've heard about
the last section 4.12A. Uh again, you've heard the standard, no unreasonably or dis disproportionately negative impacts uh on adjacent or nearby properties. We've covered all of these topics already. I'm not going to go back
through them. Uh, our experts, I think, provided sufficient testimony. Uh, so I'm just kind of recapping. These are the other requirements. Um, again, all of those have been addressed as you've heard from our our experts in
more detail. The last section in terms of 4.12D evaluating this project in relation really to the vested project. It's really a reduction in impact across the board. Um and I think it's important to
you know to recognize that we're only drawing down 25 units from the from the pool. So, as we really balance the many public benefits that are be that are being provided funded by Coulter, uh I I don't it's not a close
call in my mind at all. I this is this is an impressive list of of public benefits funded by Coulter uh for a very modest reduction or draw down from the pool from the density pool. It supports the the Corey Avenue vision
plan. Again, I think that Coulter's commitment in in acquiring uh uh the the uh the Blue Parrot site and the uh the transmission uh uh business property is
is really a a major improvement compared to the previous project. Uh it's going to eliminate uh that unsightly uh view that everyone had. It's going to be a very nice gateway project for the city. It eliminates the surface parking lot.
So in in many ways it implements the town's vision. So my again like the others my professional opinion as condition the modified project is consistent with the comprehensive plan. It's compatible with the surrounding area.
It's consistent and satisfied code sections 4.4A1 4.4 A2 4.4 A4 4.4 A5 4.4 4 A7 4.12A
and A1 4.12 A4 4.12 A6 and 4.12 D and with that I'll take any questions commissioners. Thank you. If you'll go back to the um
benefits section, please. And and I'll say this, this wasn't a complete list. I just hit on I just hit on uh on a few. Did I skip past it? Benefits. There we go. Sorry.
Okay. Apologize. So that's that's a partial list. I didn't try to go into every detail that our other experts covered. So, as
as commissioners, we are the stewards of the city's assets. And I think unlike past commissions and where we've been in previous projects that we've looked at, I think the community realizes the value of what we
have in the density pool. And so one of the things that you know we've been given a mandate by our residents and our community is to make sure that when we receive requests for allocations that the community
benefit in return is relatively proportional. And we had this conversation when we met with the owners of the project as well. And I I made sure that we explained that
to them and said, "Look, if you're going to be asking for a significant number, a 25% increase above what is by right, you know, we're going to make sure that, you know, the communities in in their emails to us and in their communication
to us, they have reiterated this time and time and time again, especially the last two or three years. And so looking at your list of benefits, um,
on one hand, I want to say to the developers, I I appreciate the initial effort, but that is all that it is. It's an initial effort because many of the things that are on this list, things you're going to have to do anyway. And so you're not giving us anything
extra above and beyond. There's not an additional community benefit. We already have on street parking. We're going to have some nice stripes now. It's going to be prettier on street parking. No doubt. You're going to have to fix the seaw wall. Doesn't matter which project you build.
Even if you didn't ask for the 25 units, you would still have to build a seaw wall. And so, you know, whether we have this conversation now or a little bit further on, we're gonna have to look at and see what community benefits we can bring to the
table here in exchange for the allocation from the density pool. So, for example, your, you know, your public docks, that's a reduction by 50%. We had eight, now we have four.
We have no public, you know, the captain was here earlier. I'm not saying I agree with him or I disagree with him, but just as a general statement, there's no access. There's no public access for a water taxi, for example. So, if you wanted to have some traffic calming, if you wanted to offset some of the
potential traffic that's going to be done by an increase of 133 units, call it two cars per household, right? Another option would be to have different transportation options. Now we've eliminated those options.
So, you know, you're going to have to do landscaping no matter what you put there. Well, we're exceeding code. I mean, I think that's that's important across the board. All all of the testimony you've heard is that we're greatly exceeding the code on almost all these standards.
Uh, you know, impervious surface, we're at 70%, that's code standard, but but otherwise, uh, we're we're exceeding code. our project density is is half of what the previous project was. Well, I'm not arguing with that and in fact I appreciate it very much. So on on
that end again we you know I think you know can't speak for either commissioners. For me, I look at and say, how can I get for me to get to a yes vote on this? For me, that's going to so for me, the criteria is which is demand that our
residents and voters have given us and me in particular, is to say, hey, here's something of value that they're asking for that they're not entitled to. That is, it's a conditional use, right? You're asking for something above and beyond what the entitlement is, which is
fine. And that is your right to do so, to ask those things. But it's also my responsibility as a steward of the city's assets to make sure that if you ask for something, I don't give it away for nothing, and that the community actually receives something of like value, of
proportionate value. Understood. I I will say this, if and and your your own planner pointed this out in his analysis. If you take an objective measure, let's say the city of Tampa's standard for how they weigh public benefits, they take it as a
percentage of the uh of the construction value of the project. Their standards 10%, we came in over over 20%. So, I mean, when you when you try to apply some objective metrics, I don't think there's any question that this is a highly
of run me run the math by me, please. So, uh, and Brandon can address this as well because he he did the the analysis which I thought was very good, uh, on this point, which is the city of Tampa requires at least that
the public benefits account for or calculate to at least 10%. Now, this is the city, the Tampa standard. It's not your standard, but just to kind of give a comparison, uh their standard requires that the uh the public benefit value,
the calculated dollars spent on public benefit uh equal at least 10% of the of the project construction cost. In this case, project construction cost. In this case, our benefits exceed 20% of the project cost. So, what is the project construction cost?
But if I may, the city of Tampa also gives you a 50% bonus increase with the provision for those of those payments. Um, so it's it's very much not the kind of,
you know, we're talking 25%, you're talking 50% for 10% cost. So again, counselor, I I appreciate if you actually answer the question. The question is, run the math by us. Please tell us what 20% of what is. What's the starting number? What's the calculation?
I think this came directly from Brandon staff report. He's mentioned it. He said 20%. I would like to hear from him. How I think he was taking this directly from staff's report. Yeah, I don't have those numbers committed to memory, but they are in the staff report.
Does that include the advalorum? I if if I may, um, we were just getting into the community benefits section. It might be helpful for us to go through that section and break down numbers and then sort of address these questions. It might um streamline the conversation if
that's okay with you, Mr. Mayor. So, is there a different section that we're going to revisit this again? No, I just have some slides with numbers that we were getting ready to prepare before the questions began at the end of our presentation. So, this is going to be a different
presentation by somebody else. No, this is me closing talking about community benefits and the financial gain. I think it might streamline the process if it's okay with this count commission for the record of Elise Batzel.
So there are three buckets of community benefits. There is site work at zero cost to the city. There's improved utility and resiliency and there's increased direct and indirect financial benefits to the city.
We already talked about the site work, the reparation of the seaw wall at no cost to the city. For those of you who are not on council, in the prior CUP, there was an agreement being negotiated that the city would actually reimburse the developer for that cost. So as you
look in your legal parameters today when you have to look at the existing cup versus the modified CUP today that is an additional public benefit. Rebuilding streets, storm waters, underground utilities, the prominade, transient boat slips, public park,
public plaza and on street parking. All of these are site work at the cost of the developer. From a public use perspective, these public benefits directly increase the public's access to the water through the construction of the park, the
construction of the plaza, the construction of the prominade along the north, which actually provides additional pedestrian connectivity between Bay Street and the water and the and the park to be constructed and the construction of additional transient boat slips. But these newly developed
public spaces also reactivate the end of Cory Avenue. That is not something that I can tell you what that costs, but I can tell you that that's a direct community benefit. By raising the site through the LMER, you've already heard that properties
beyond our project site, the project site includes both our property and the city property that we're improving, but those properties beyond that get a benefit and are more resilient. And by undergrounding all of the utilities, we didn't touch on this very very much, but
people beyond the scope of the project site also receive that benefit. Again, not a dollar benefit that we can put pen to paper on, but definitely a benefit. And perhaps most importantly is the return of the 125 residential units to
the density pool. You know, this isn't a brand new cup where we are asking for 24 units from byite TC2 property. We are taking retaining 25 units and returning 125 units to the pool for the use of the
city. So, I know many of you have questions about the numbers. I'm going to call Steve Barber up here to help me through this because he um put a lot of this together from a development perspective. The seaw wall repair obviously estimate
estimation of $875,000. Public parking that's the increase that you see from 460 to over a million for the additional public parking spaces that will be constructed as part of this modified cup. The prominade is a new feature which will cost approximately
$470,000. the park, the existing cup. You have to add really the prominade and the park together because they're really one item under the old cup. And the plaza, that's a $716,000 improvement that is public space, uh,
which will include public art, which is not on here, um, and undergrounding the utilities. So, someone asked, I think I saw some, uh, someone question, what's the 3.5 compared to the 1.5? The 1.5 is what
this community will receive from Adalorum tax revenues from impact fees. Um again, the impact fees for the park, for example, we're providing a park, but we're still paying a fee. So, all of those things go into your collective
buckets of public benefits that we believe far support allowing 24 units to stay allocated towards this less intense and less dense project. Um, so just really quickly, if there was no CUP at all, and that's not going to
happen till 2030, but Brandon put in his report, no CUP, that's a difference, a negative of $4.7 million that this community would not receive. The existing cup, we're providing less density, less impact, more public
benefits, and over $2.4 4 million of direct financial benefit to the city for 24 units. So with that, we'll answer questions about the financial and community and public benefits. I I'm sorry. I've been doing that 25 for
the record. Commissioners, Commissioner Maldonado. Uh, thank you. So, yes, this project potentially offers a substantial number of community benefits that you've mentioned, the seaw
wall repair, parking, 11,500 ft of retail space and restaurants. A prominent knot in the park, underground utilities, boat slips, etc. What I failed to see in any conversation or any documentation is any direct compensation
for the sanitary sewer collection system approximately 1.5 miles from your development to the connection point over at pump station one. Can you speak to that? Actually, I can. It should be.
Okay. Can I Can we get the overhead, please? Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Uh Scott Gilner again for the record with Kimley Horn Associates, civil engineer. So on on this screen is what I believe is the latest I believe
may I'm looking back at Mr. 2023 2023. Um, and this if is it possible to zoom in. I'm gonna kind of move it to the middle. You can hear me. Keep going and going. Hopefully you can get to the color
codes. Um, it's I'm I'm going to correct you slightly, Commissioner. It's uh 39 It's about 3,900 ft um from our point of connection in Bokeh to pump station one. Um the red section from effectively Bay
Street and Corey Avenue to Bokeh we're replacing as part of our cost for the development anyway. So there's about an 800 plus foot segment that was going to be replaced as part of the infrastructure that we were going to do. Then there's about another 3,900 ft uh
of that and I believe you're in the middle of a CCTVing inspection process right now. But a number of these segments, if we were to zoom in, the sections that are green have already been lined. So sections of that gravity sewer main have already been lined. The manholes, if you get in, there's colors,
they've already certain ones have already been lined, and I believe other ones have already been inspected and did not have an issue. Now, that's from 2023. Understanding that you're going to have a new CCDB inspection that's ongoing right now. I think the developer has
looked at this. We've seen some of the resident comments and at this point I I believe they're offer they're willing to offer up to $250,000 as part of this process to find sections that either need to be lined repaired.
There's point repairs that might come along. Um but until we get the results of that new CCTV, it won't be fully known. But this segment is um there's a lot of it that actually has been uh you know evaluated already in the last
couple years. Does that answer your question partially? Next part. Yeah. No, I mean I I guess part of that is going to come down to a uh development agreement at some point and um we'll get there when we get there,
but it's it's a conversation to be continued. I mean, obviously it is first and foremost. I mean, we're essentially being asked to allow you to tap into a broken system and to put that responsibility on the citizens and residents of St. Pete Page.
I'm I'm and I and I want to Lisa is going to hit on a second, but I want to make sure there's a clear distinction. The capacity you have is in the system. You have adequate capacity. You have an aging infrastructure problem. They're two different things. and the constant repair and upkeep they have to do on an
annual basis as you go forward that that exists. I think at least we'll get into the legal aspects of of that piece. Yeah, I understand that. Thank you. Uh commissioner just so that you know development agreement would have been here tonight.
The applicant has been asked at TRC and in several other occasions to provide a development agreement and they have so far not wanted to do that. So not be one and and that's one of my concerns. We send it back to them for a development agreement.
So we have many times in the city of St. Pete Beach added conditions requiring financial contributions to the CUP condition. I think that type of condition could be added here tonight to the conditions that we've proposed. It would lock us in. it would become a condition of our CUP. And if you look under condition number 27 that is
proposed, if we don't comply with that condition, the city commission has the ability to go in and vote on removing or revoking our cup. So that is a viable binding document. I don't know why we would enter into 163 development agreement to offer to pay you money
because we never do. Um if we were asking for something like tradewinds where we have entered into a development agreement where we ask for something like 20 years so the cup stayed around to phase the development that's when you enter into a development agreement. Um all of the other issues that we've
talked about and the conditions can appropriately be con um put into the CUP conditions and have traditionally by the city. I I do want to bring up one thing. Um the developer just offered to make a
payment. Um that is a viable payment for fixing the rest based on their engineers estimate from their development all the way up to pump station one. Um, there's a long line of case law and Ralph can talk to you about this, but
that basically says that fees, whatever you call them, payments, fees, they are not allowed to be used for certain purposes. They are allowed to pay for the reasonably the reasonable
anticipated cost of expansion versus the prohibition of using the piece for paying for the existing system. That is Florida law today. It's also Florida law that the cost of new facilities should be borne by new users to the extent that
those new that new use requires new facilities. And this is really important, but only to the extent that the new sorry, but only to the extent that when new facilities have to be built, you look to those new users, but
you may not look to them for capital because that gives old users a windfall and it is prohibited under Florida law. So, whatever you call it here, we're offering to pay it, but I also want everyone to understand that it is above
and beyond um what is technically legally required. Um, but we have offered to pay it as a way to move forward with a conditional use permit. Um, and I just want to put that onto the record. I think we're calling it a community benefit.
Anything but impact fees. Certainly, it doesn't matter under Florida law what you call it. action fee. Thank you. Right. Commissioners, I had a couple questions in regards to
um the fire truck and the fire truck pad and its access. I believe there was a statement from our fire chief that said any parking pad need to be um you know hard packed. It couldn't be grass. Is that correct?
Sure. Yep. Okay. So, how many pads are there and where are they? See if I can get back to a jump through this. Let me see if it settles.
Does this have a pointer? I think you can probably go to the um you have the uh what is it the u turning oh the auto turn that that was loading but but I can still just grab it from there. Let me bear with me for a sec. I think I skip through
uh this might actually be good. Um, so the majority of the fire truck access is actually from the public rightway. So it would be within the roads. There are two areas where we would pull up a fire truck and it's shorter than a distance
of 150 ft which does not require a a turnaround or a culde-sac. So if it's 100 ft or up to 150 ft, the truck can pull in and it can back back out. So that happens in two locations. It happens on the very southern boundary of the entire project where it pulls in on
the side of the building and then the hose pole is 450 ft or less around the back side of building uh one. So that's a hose pole. Okay. That's a hose pole. The second one is as you pull into the circle and you see the
right hand sidewalk immediately to the inside of that. That's on the That's on the residents in the residence park. That would be in the residence park. It's in the park. Correct. And that fire truck is used specifically for who? For the fire truck as well as the Duke
Energy vaults that exist there. It's used specifically for your development. Correct. Uh for both. It's going to be for emergency service within the park as well as the building itself. But there's going to be no, you know, as far as a for 400 pull, he could be somewhere else
and still reach it. I'm just saying we're giving up, you're asking residents to give up a portion of their park for something that Well, I I I don't I don't think we are because we're going to use Well, I don't think we are because we're going to do it over the sidewalk where the sidewalks widened and thickened and then they're
going to be able to pull in on that. Okay. Because that's showing that it's actually in the grass area. There's no other I understand. But we can certainly adjust that to where it is. And we actually had to after talking with with Kelly at TRC. So that would be on your on the private property.
It would be it would be on the sidewalk. The sidewalk would just do double duty. It would be able to load a a fire truck and also be walked on rather than have to just be uh a fire truck or or reinforced grass next to it. The concern was
from my understanding that Kelly did not want to uh have to deal with grass or it get damaged and have to repair it. So they wanted a hard per uh you know impervious surface. So then we decided say okay well why not widen the sidewalk make it wide enough make it be able to
handle the fire truck access which is what we were going to do. So is it widened on both sides to make it even because I don't see it on here and I'm just we would make it symmetrical. We So, we're losing grass in that area and now it's going to be cement, correct? Or
walkway. So, we did work with Kelly and I think we offered various alternatives to cement. Um, but she said she wanted cement, but there are other alternatives and we'd like the opportunity during the site plan process to explore those with her. Um, Coulter in particular has used
a lot of those on other developments and we think it would be aesthetically more pleasing. it would allow it not to be concrete. But again, we, you know, assuming the CUP is approved and we move to site plan approval, we we absolutely would like to work on that with Kelly to see if there's some alternative.
And what portion of maintenance are you all providing for that park or the parks? Well, we are putting all of the park in, but we are not going to perform maintenance on the grass or the trees within the park. Uh we talked at length with the city manager about this and it it's probably a good time to talk about
that this development unlike an apartment complex is going to be owned by a group of homeowners, a group of condo owners when it when turnover occurs. And the problem would be getting insurance for that kind of liability for a homeowners association. You basically
have a public park where let's say for example the public is holding events, the public is you do fireworks there. Um you do all kinds of things. you have a big event and the next day, you know, there's a hole there and someone breaks their leg and we're in charge of
maintenance and we're responsible for that and there are limitations on what homeowners associations can get insured off site for property that they don't own. And it's also a liability that I don't know that I would want to take on as a homeowner knowing that anything
that happened on a city property from a maintenance perspective and anything that that could lead to would be my responsibility. So, we've worked with Francis. We've tried to come up with some condition, a number of conditions for value engineering certain things. We've even talked about a different kind of grass going in that might be more
lowmaintenance. It would cost more upfront for us, but it would be lower maintenance for the city moving forward. So, we've we would like to, you know, happy to continue that dialogue, but we did think a lot about that. Speaking of ownership, um who owns the retail or the commercial space? So, the
developer will own the shell and they will lease it out. Um, then at some point in time, either the freestanding building might be sold to a third party, the shells may be continued to be leased by the homeowners association. I mean, that's all to be determined depending on
what happens with the market um and which kind of tenants come in. What is the uh what type of guarantee do we have of occupancy in those? Anything at all? Well, I mean, I think that you get a builtout shell and the hope is just like all the businesses up and down
Corey, you have a brand new space. Um, and you have 133 upper end financial folks that are living there. Um, I know that I can tell you personally, we're getting brokers for restaurants and retail calling me asking for their information all the
time. They cannot wait. Um, they're like, "Who's getting in on the restaurant? Let me let me broker this out." So I think there's going to be a lot of interest with respect to guarantees. I Brian might be able to speak to this more, but a lot of that is based on the market, but you asked us
and the community asked us during their original cup that you said you wanted mixeduse components. So we provided mixeduse components in all of the buildings with the exception of the retail that obviously is horizontally mixed use. Um it's a requirement to be at the mixed use in that area. So, is is there a is
there a restaurant now over in the Dwey down on the bottom or is that still empty? It's empty because we went out of business because of the hurricane. Um, so yes. Well, same potential as something over here. I'm just of course and now you're going to have a more resilient seaw wall and it'll be raised and you're going to have more
resilient buildings. So hopefully the same thing won't occur. But we can't, you know, I can't guarantee you that at every moment there's going to be someone in any building in the city. I can't guarantee you that if you build a single family home, someone's going to live
there. All I can tell you is that Coulter builds these projects all over. They do very well. They know how to pick locations. They know how to build it so that the residents come and as you know, rooftops bring retail and restaurants. When the people come all that's when
people want to come um from a commercial perspective because it's a built-in clientele and patrons for the businesses that you're building. This is a closed rooftop though. I mean, it's for it's for their own residents. It's not going to be Sorry. It's a term of art. Um rooftops
meaning homes or residents bring retail. It's just um a saying that we say when the people come, that's when the commercial uh comes. But you may have gotten additional inquiries. I'm only telling you ones that I've received because my name is on a lot of the
papers that I have forwarded. So Steve, I don't know if you want to, you know, talk about any interest and that north building is a is it 500 or 540 square ft because I see two different dimensions on that for uh you know to meet that multi- uh multi-use
requirement. I would have to ask the architect that. I don't remember where we landed on that. That's not very big. The commercial and the mezzanine, it's less. That's the max. What considerations have you given to
the adjacent streets um as far as um ingress and egress um delivery trucks, things to that effect? Yeah, let me grab the conditions. So we have uh included hours of operation regulations uh similar to what
you have uh we also with respect to the residents down Bay Street, we worked at length with the staff and the city attorney to put conditions in that protect from when from a construction vehicle standpoint. We went so far as to saying that we're actually going to write it into our general contractor
contract where the uh the trucks can go and when and we're going to post those regulations on site. Um we we have thought about these things and deliveries as well. The deliveries that would need to be in there for your restaurant. Yeah. So deliveries I don't know where I
mean there are specific loading zones for the deliveries where that they have to use on site but I'm not as familiar with the location of the delivery zones as I'm I'm not really talking about the delivery of that. I'm talking about the the ingress and egress to them are you utilizing the adjacent streets
specifically Golf Winds specifically Bay Street um 70 71st 72nd those are purely residential streets typically your your deliveries are going to get in and out as quickly as they can. So they're going to use the main streets. Um
those those are for your community those are those are kind of the main streets. I understand that Gulf Winds is a cut through. Um, but if they're coming over Pasadena, for example, and dropping off a delivery and they're going to turn around and go off, you know, I can't guarantee where they're going to come from. Is there something that you'd like us to
consider? Well, yeah, I would like to consider some sort of traffic calming on Gulf Winds and also on Bay Street because those are the two most affected streets that are going to get hit. So, remember, we're talking about a 500
foot commercial space, a 4,500 foot restaurant. We're talking too about your residents as well and them as well. Anything going south is not going to go up Cory Avenue here. They're not going to go up 7. They're going to cut down 73rd, 72nd,
71st. So, Becca can probably respond to this as well, but all of those deliveries that you're talking about to the residents are included in the trip generation numbers in her traffic study. So, it it assumes deliveries for commercial. It assumes all of those. So
those numbers are built in and as she provided the trip what do you call it Becca where it's shows where different things this trip distribution um and she can speak more to the actual trip distribution but it does not show that
you know trip distribution models show where people go and while the residents may cut through there those folks are going to take the most direct route possible to get where they need to go. Right? So, your residents will go up a street up to golf golf winds and take off winds to go south.
We'll have 82 less trips going at the peak hours. Well, it's all kind of relative to to how much you sell and you've got three bedrooms versus a single studio. There's a lot of variables there um in regards to that. So, the the difference is not
huge, but on the weekends it is. I mean, it it's much bigger. So than what when we're sitting here talking about reality versus what you're you know you h you you have to do per per what the standard is that's one
thing but the reality on this beach is something else and I'm talking about reality for the residents that live in those areas and what's going to happen to them without any sort of traffic calming. So you're we will when we take a break we will talk and and come back with
something related to traffic calming. I think your request is for us to do some sort of traffic calming. Yes it is. Okay we heard you commissioner Nikki. Um, just to kind of follow up before my my question, but just because it it triggered something while Commissioner Robinson was talking
about traffic calming and and I'm looking at um uh what goes on currently in the city and where complaints come from when residents are reaching out to a commissioner or to the city because there's now a problem and and I'll use the Donsar neighborhood as an example
because we had you know thinking of new development in in the most recent times which is not much in our city but the Moa was built, right? And the big thing that happened in in for the residents who live on Casablanca and East Maritana and and um Gulf, but
precisely those two residential um streets was deliveries, times of deliveries and cutting through the neighborhood. So they implemented way after development um you know uh signs, no trucks to cut through. Now they're
still cutting through which is the problem. We'd be happy to put signs. We've had one-way streets um placed on East Maritana so people don't make a right turn from Bayway the the Bayway into the neighborhood. Um but I guess what I'm
saying is because I know there's residents too that complain about speed bumps. Nobody wants a speed bump and where to put a speed bump. But when you narrow a road, let's just say the entrance to a road or or um when you make it more difficult for let's say a
truck to take that shortcut even though the sign says no trucks are to travel through the the neighborhood. I I would I would like for that kind of thought to be going through because it's what's going to happen to the neighborhood. You're going to get a lot of trucks
cutting cutting through um even though they're not supposed to, you know. So maybe um through experience and what you've seen in other places, what works could be suggested or or helped um to convey. So um but now we'll want to talk with our
team just a little bit when we take a break um so that we're getting you actual accurate information. Absolutely. Um so now to my questions or like for some of my my my thoughts and what people have have mentioned. Um, first I wanted to uh give uh great
accolades to uh Brandon um Barry because um you know this is not the first CUP that I read but in reading the staff report that he put together um it was the first time I saw the collective whole without putting names like was it
the residents who talked about it? Was it a commissioner that asked for this or was it the mayor? Was it the manager? was really well put together to see how he collected all of the community's um thoughts and questions and concerns um
to the applicant. So, I wanted to give um him um praise for that. But with that um I did see in that staff report a lot of questions that still have a lot of question marks um or things that would that the staff would like um to be
addressed based off of all the community input. and one that I saw that it's big and and um parks is a big thing, environment and some of you who know me, you know, who've talked about um landscaping and storm water and and so forth. Um when you read the vision um uh
plan for Corey, right, and having anchors and having a park, um the park to me, we keep saying park, but the park is not defined. Um, and and I'm going to simplify it by saying this. It looks
beautiful because it looks like a beautiful street end, a beautiful culde-sac, a beautiful end to the development, but I do not see or hear what is the draw for the community, for the public to go to this park, what is
being offered. There's no indication of what the park name would be. Not that I'm asking you all to pick the name. We could pick a name, but just to give you an idea of how park um pardon. Yeah, I I'm not sure. Is this for just to walk
maybe walk or hopefully um and let me go through all my thought process. Is it for maybe four boats to park there? Maybe. Um because it is clo and and I'll ask a couple of questions on where those docks are. But um you know the seaw wall
is just you know still an end to nowhere right just stops but is it supposed to be um a sitting area to watch the sunrise or the moonrise you know in the evening um because there's nowhere to sit right there's a lot of I would say
grass palm trees um but who would want to sit or stand in the sun um during day there's no there's no draw you It's not saying, "Hey, come and kayak over here. Bring your paddle board." Um, we have a dock where you could access the water.
Um, I don't see when you look at in our packet, you could see the vision plan and you see, um, what do those bike racks look like, right? uh we wanted it's written in there to have a coastal vibe, you know, and I'm not saying has to be the fish bike racks pictures that
you see in that vision plan, but there was um a desire from the community to have a park, you know, something that would draw people and I and I don't see that. I see a big in comparison to the vested project, you have way more green
space in that vested project than having this big circle um for I is it for people on their rollerblades to go in circles around, you know, the the prominade, you know, is it for bikers to go in circles? you know, it doesn't say
other than this is a grand entrance for these three towers for people to drop off their gas or come home or whatever it may be. I I don't see the draw. Um I know we have a walk away on and I'm pointing because you have the picture here the of the north building where you
can do a walk around. Um and there was questions from the staff. You know, there's stuckco walls. There's nothing on the walls, which I find quite concerning that nobody wants to put something on the walls when that's a dead zone, right? A potential for uh
problems in the future when the people who own these condominiums are upset that they might not look as pretty. And I and I don't want to jinx and say there'll be graffiti, but it's a possibility, right? When there's nothing there, it doesn't doesn't give you
anything other than what I see is a lot of headache to the city. Um the the four docks you mentioned were I guess they're they're the ones that are the closest to the bridge. Is that correct? The northern Yes. The northern docks.
And I'm talking about the public, you know. Yes. Trans boat slips. Yes, ma'am. What were the public slips in the vested project? Where were they? On the same side, but there were eight consecutive together. Correct. And are the design is the design of these docks
um the same as the vested project or have they been modified? Yes. So there is a existing swift mud ERP permit for the construction of the docks. The configuration of the docks is exactly the same. Um the permit was in
process. Coulter purchased the property. Coulter finished out that permitting if it wasn't already finished. um and then had to assume the submerged land leases as well as part of their transaction, but the configuration is exactly the same. Um it's exactly as shown.
And maybe for some reason I thought that the pri the vested um project had a different dock configuration of slips. No, ma'am. No, they were the same. Okay, they were the same. Okay. So, those are the identical to the to the vested project. Yes, they're identical. This is the new
picture, but okay. So, they're the same. Um, again, you know, the park is the central the and looking at the picture, you've got the four public um slips, the furthest from the park, the furthest from, I guess, parking, right? Because
if you're going to the park um you know, you're going all the way to the public parking lot. Again, I don't see like the draw. like how would anybody know that you can park there, you know? Um there's no are people going to fish off of a
seaw wall, which will happen, you know. Um like again, my thing is I don't see what is this park about, you know? Was it designed with the staff in mind? What the vision plan said? Like we want to offer a place to walk and exercise, a
place to bike and ride. You know, what is it doing? Is it a place to fish? Is there going to be a dock? Is there going to be kayaking? Like what is this park offering, you know, for the community? So, the park was not a developer uh it was not instituted by the developer originally. This was a request by the
city and the city manager at the time of the existing cup. Um clearly we think it's a benefit, but if you do not want the park, I mean, we could obviously look at alternatives, but the park itself, no, I want the park. What um you know I know Commissioner Marriott has talked a
lot about the market and the fact that there's not enough parking when everybody comes down for the is it Sunday market? I don't whatever your market is. I haven't been but I should come. Um there's I mean I think there are things that draw you to Corey Avenue and there will be things that continue
to draw you but this was this is a city park so the programming and the vision is really the city's it's it's your vision and it's the city manager's vision. um we were asked and we said we would provide you with a park that you could own. You know, it's your property,
you own it. So, the programming is really up to the city and it would be whatever vision you have now or whatever vision you had in the vision plan. Um, if the commission says, you know, we want to see some more benches along, you know, the water,
we can add benches along the water. But the prior city manager was very clear that you wanted a park and that your parks and rec parks and wreck director would program that park. And so we have been working under that assumption um to
provide you know the big cost of establishing a park is digging up all the asphalt repairing the seaw wall filling providing the grass providing the trees um with respect to programming you know I think that would be up to the city okay then and I would uh caution um I
don't want to say caution I definitely want a park but I don't see the vision of the park and the way that this is designed will limit what we can possib possibly envision in the future. So would it cost the city to say, "Hey, we don't want that roundabout, you know."
So it's interesting that you say that. I think part of it is because we have added property. So before you had two pieces of property and you had a park right in between it, right now we've added in Charlie's and Blue Parrot and the city attorney has said that we
cannot vacate that rideway. And so we have a lot of concrete leading into the park. And so we have added sidewalks. We've added public parking. We've tried to, you know, bring some placemaking to draw people into that park. But if you
take away the Charlie's and you push that project down a little bit, you'll see that the project before it's not that the park is that much smaller. It's that we've added property to the park. So, it appears to be, you know, it appears that you have to go through more
to get there. Before you had to go through Charlie's transmission shop, um, with all the cars around and and I think this is definitely more inviting and draws you in far more than the existing CUP did with the existing with the existence of Charlie's and all of those
cars. And so um you know the roundabout is very important too since we're maintaining that rightway um from a transportation perspective and a pedestrian perspective. If people are going down and walking down bay and they want to walk in the park and they want to walk around that's one of the reasons
that we added the public prominade and we worked with the city attorney and staff on that public prominade. We haven't gotten to the conditions yet but there are a number of conditions that talk about what is that going to look like? We have to put benches. We're putting pretty little things along the way. There's no blank walls. There's
going to be extra landscaping. Um, and we can have our architect talk through that because he really had the vision for how that public prominade is actually going to look. And we have tried to tried to take that and distill it down into conditions with the city. Um, we worked with Brandon uh on working
on those types of conditions. like for example, you have to have the the pavement has to be broken up every so often and to make it pretty and an attractive place to be. The other thing I want to comment on was your your comment about owning the property and it
sort of going into, you know, in bad hands. The property that northern building and the public prominade there's there's an important distinction here. The building and the prominade are owned and will continue to be owned by the applicant and the homeowners. We are
granting a perpetual public access easement over that property, but this is not city property that will just go to graffiti. This is going to be part of that development. And so those owners, I would assume, would maintain that. That is their home. And so there's that extra
layer of guarantee that you have that, hey, I want to take care of my home and these owners will also want to take care of their home as well. Okay. The same could be said as far as the park itself taking care of that because you're going to have homeowners that
have dogs and children that want a park. So, it it it really serves that purpose uh for your potential residents as well or our new potential residents. They'll absolutely get a benefit. Um, and you know, it's disappointing not to see any sort
of kayak or paddle board launch area in the public side of things to help as well draw and I know that uh originally too there was the request for connecting the two parks underneath the bridge and that we don't see that on here as well.
Well, that's also in the conditions. So, we have drafted a condition um we modified it together. There is a condition that says that to the extent that you do get funding and it's designed and engineered, we would work with the city attorney. We will go ahead and grant an easement to you now so that
you have it. But if you determine that that boardwalk is constructed and you actually construct it, then it requires us to work with the city attorney to relocate that to an acceptable place because we don't have permits for that yet. So it might move, it might be a little closer to the bridge, it might be
closer to the public park. So, we have thought about that and we've contemplated it in the conditions that we're presenting to you. Where is the survey in this application? Uh, the survey was presented as part of the application to Brandon and he has the survey. Okay. Because usually we get to see a
copy of that as well. We can submit one into the record. Would you add that please? One last question for the the seaw wall. Um, you they mentioned the cost was 875. Are we talking about all the seaw wall
or just that city? So, how much per linear foot is a seaw wall? Because I mean, who are you using? Steve Barber with KT Corav LLC. Um, I'll clarify that for you, Commissioner. Uh, so the 875,000
was originally contemplated to be the 100 linear feet that's at the end of the park and the approximately 400 feet that's along the north prominade. So that that explains the discrepancy in Brandon's number in our figure. Since that time, we've actually gotten firm
pricing on the seaw wall from four different subcontractors. That was way understated. The the the cost of that seaw wall is about um $3,500 a linear foot. So the the 100 feet at the end of the park is about $350,000
and the 400 feet along the north promin. So it's a it's a combined probably million six. So in in reality our our valuation of that component of the public benefit was understated. Is there a difference in a commercial and I'm going to call it commercial seaw
wall versus some a resident putting up their seaw wall at home at at this is technically a commercial seaw wall but it's not designed for large vessels. Um this this is designed to to for for its intended use.
I just see it as a real high price for 100 year. It is nothing is cheap anymore. Yeah. Well, in comparison to um homes, I mean the and and I know only because I've been trying to get pricing, there's nothing over 700 a linear foot for a
resident. So that's that's why I'm a little off on that. Like what what's the difference? So uh Scott Gilner again for the record. So um it's based on basically face of wall. It's the simplest way to describe it. So when you have a 8ft tall wall and
the mud line is 2 3 feet below grade you roughly or or below water line I'll say is just you know 10 11 ft but it has to go 2/3 down into the mud line give or take. So you have a 30 foot sheet pile whereas if you have you know a sixft
wall and maybe mudline right at you know high tide now you're only talking about 18 foot sheet. So, it's really um one, it's based on exposed face. That's one piece. And the second part is at the end of Corey Avenue, you probably have the
most expensive piece of wall. And the reason is the Duke Energy duck bank comes underneath it. It has to be driven the deepest because of the the face. And you also have to have a section that opens up to allow that duck bank to continue. So, it's called a whale tail. And they basically drive on either side
and then they have a shorter section that basically goes above it. So there's kind of a window within the seaw wall that's designed. So it's probably the most complex section of seaw wall as well. So it is uh and we can I don't know if you want to really know who we talked to, but we talked to several
reputable uh seaw wall contractors and um you know it is expensive and it's continues to get expensive. Commissioner Robinson. Oh, I'm sorry. Had that still on. I got that. Commissioner Marad Maldonado
questions before we move to audience comments. That was your time. Um I have just a couple of comments. Um I think that um I I I think that there are definitely some significant community benefits that
are coming along with this project. I agree with Commissioner Robinson and and uh Commissioner Rzniki that um you know a little bit more public access to water use would be a really nice thing. Um I think I was excited for a minute because
I saw that there was a kayak dock and then I realized it was only on the section of the of the boat dock that was for only for the residents. Um and so uh um you know I think I think something something like that would be even an additional benefit. there's so few places in this city where you can
access the water, you know, from the bay side, um not from the beach side. Um and so, um you know, I I I appreciate the the offer of an additional contribution to the sewer
system. Um I would like to hear from staff about about what they think about the dollar figure. Um, and we can also provide Scott actually went through to try to price to see what's already been lined. What are the
estimate costs as of today? And so I I just mentioned that it might be very helpful if we shared that with you. And then Brandon can share the information and you can see that that's actually, you know, a reasonable amount to finish the work between our project and the the
uh pump station one. Um, obviously a developer with a proform can't write a blank check. So that's why there'd be a not need to be some not to s not to exceed number. Yeah. Because they have to go back and you know tell their folks, right? If we're able to through permit to turn
one of the training steps into a we're fine with that. I just don't know if we're able to permit if we do our permit to do that. Thank you. I don't know if you heard that. Um but we would seek to you know go through a permit and amend the permit to add a kayak launch there on the
northern portion. turn it and reconfigure it and we can work with staff on that. Counselor, that is not what he said. Pardon? That is not what he said. He said to convert one, not to add one. I'm sorry. You convert the slip to add a kayak launch, not add a dock, but add
the kayak launch to the dock because the kayak launch actually is part of the dock structure. Yeah. If we're if we're allowed to, Brian Vanslike, if we're allowed to under our permit, for the record, if we're allowed to under our permit, I I can't speak to the permit, but if we're able to do that for the permit, we'd be
happy to to offer that. Absolutely. And could could I ask instead of instead of converting or adding to that slip, couldn't we have it at the end like because the same kind of floating we have a floating dock system over at McKenna Park, if I may. That's a completely different
permit. one is not our property. It's the city's property. So, the city would have to permit. That'd be a completely different permit. So, I'm talking about, right, we talked about the 39 slips already permitted. So, if we're able to convert, we've offered the four transient slips. If we're able to convert that and add the kayak launch within, which I would think we should,
but again, I can't speak for the state and all the permitting agencies. If we're allowed to do that, great. If the city wanted to pursue additional dockage at the end of their property, that's obviously the city's purview, 100%. But that's not something we can do. Just make sure that I understand what
you're saying. Your concern is that you currently have a permit in hand already. I concern that any modification to that permit may or may not be possible. Is that I correct? I don't know. I it logically would seem possible, but I don't want to
offer that it's possible without going through the appropriate agencies, but if we're able to do that, we will definitely pursue that. That makes sense. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I think that we could offer a condition that says that we will, you know, we will apply for and use good
faith efforts to secure, you know, the modification, the permit to permit the kayak launch from the appropriate lo local governmental authorities, something to that effect. Commissioner Robinson, is there parking allocated for employees
for the restaurant, the commercial, etc. Is and where is that? I'm sorry. Um I want to go go back and add a clarification with the docks just real quick Kevin reality for the record um the uh the reason that it's so limited to expand it's not just a city
property but those docks are permitted on lease property that's got a legal description I mean we we are we are totally bound to that area and so um it's I think that's what they're trying to say but there's a reason behind it we're we're stuck by the confines of
that lease. Good point. Good point. So that's but a kayak launch is not very big. So there may be sufficient space to do that. Um I'm sorry I lost my train of thought there. Parking for employees.
Oh yes. So I don't know that the parking Bob where Bob go early. Yeah. So from a practical perspective there's lots and lots of lots of parking. um even though we're meeting
your code like from a practical perspective there's lots of parking and so there's parking in different buildings um and so when and there will be areas in the various buildings and on the streets that are designated for those retail areas and that's where people will also park when they're
employees. So like some of the parking will be shut off for residents in the building and and some will be open for the commercial uses and the employees will park there. We have and I'm just concerned about the exterior parking that's the public parking that the employees take that and
therefore then the residents don't have if they are coming to visit a the park that that uh supposed to serve them too. Um understood. So when when we have to park at a certain parking space per so many hundred square feet that incorporates
not just the patrons in the analysis but also the employees are the employees parking in the private garages. Yes. Okay. That's simpler. Yes ma'am. Sorry I didn't realize that was the question. And Elise, could you could you confirm
the when when you because I've heard a number of times that when you say the the project is overparked and we have ample parking and it meets the code, but we have practically speaking we have a lot of extra parking and so does that mean that in the garages in the buildings that there will also be public parking in those garages?
Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yes. So, we're meeting code wi-i without the 55 spaces, but what I think Brian and and Steve are saying is that based on their experience and how they normally park a residential building, they're providing way more parking than
they normally would. Uh, and they have an amount that they, you know, based on their experience, they park and we're we're way over parking even though it's two-year code. There will be practically more spaces based on their years of experience. And transient dogs, who owns those? Is
it going to be the city or is it going to be No, it will ultimately be the association, the homeowners association. It will be the applicant coulter and the developer and then at a certain time when you have condominium units, they'll turn it over to the owners associations.
How is the liability? How is it to get liability on that? The private docks are easier. The public docks are more difficult and more expensive. You I'm meaning in comparison to the park. I don't know. It seems to me that HOA
should pick up all of that. It is going to be a park primarily for them for their walking their dogs, their kids, everything else. Seems like the circles more so designed for, you know, in and out of the both of the buildings. Um
I understand your concern. I do. Um it's about sort of dominion and control of the space. So, for example, the public park is city-owned property. The city controls who goes there. They concern they control the hours of operation at night. They control how it's
monitor docks. How are those going to be controlled by the owners association in accordance with the conditional use permit? Those will be private docks that are open for transient use under your code. So it it's a very different scenario because they can post signs. They can, you know,
I mean, I don't know what they're going to do, but they have the ability to regulate those and make sure they know how those are being used. It's also their property. And so insurance is is very different if it's your property than if it is the city's property. If you're a private, you know, homeowners
association, and I assume it would be covered under their general liability policy. Um, Commissioner Maldonado. Yeah, I just want to clarify, uh, make sure I understand this. So, are we or the developer prohibiting the use of the
center dock for public water taxi drop offs? Center dock. Yeah. the discussion that we're having whether or not we could at the end of at the end of the north side park. So, right where it says new bulkhead. New bulkhead.
Yes, that's actually on there is a gate that's actually on the private portion of this project. Um and so we're not prohibiting it. It is not actually permitted for that. Um and and Scott, you can talk a little bit more about some of the challenges to having a water
taxi launch there. Um, you want to go ahead and address that now? Thank you. Of course. Hi. Again, for the record, Scott Gilner with Kimley Horn. Um, so as Brian had said before, we've permitted the dock already, but it's I I don't think it's
as much about permitting it as is the process you have to go through. So, um, one, the this was a, uh, Yeah. Well, I I I think I got it from here. So the the um the the process is
the U. US Army Corps of Engineers because you have the channel under the bridge, US Fish and Wildlife, Florida Fish and Wildlife, the Water Management District, Penelis County Water and Navigation. And it's not just about the docks and the vessel you want to put there. It's about the seaggrass study,
the benthic survey, the marine resources that you're impacting. So the dock has to be far enough out. It can't impact the seagrasses. It has to need leave enough light out. So, we can't necessarily expand it just as simply as expanding it or widening it because all
of those resources come into play. In addition, it's based on 39 slips that were there before. So, there's 39 slips now because that was part of the permitting and the re-uping of the submerged land leases. So, I don't know that it's possible. Um, I think at the
end of your right ofware, where where you're located, I mean, honestly, that's where a bulkhead's going to be. It's going to be one of the most stoutest part of the seaw wall. I think you certainly could approach, you know, the water management district and do all those things. You'd have to know the size of the vessel. You
know, how how is it going to be loaded, unloaded, ADA accessibility. There's a lot of things to contemplate just not simply kind of connecting it where the seak uh the kayak and you know uh small craft launch would be. So what you're saying is you would grant us right of way access if those
conditions all were met. Well, it's your right of way. I we're not saying we'd grant you rightway access to the private slip, the private boat. That's that's private onto the private property. We're saying that there's you have a right of way where you're directly at the extent
where you could Thank you. Commissioner Robinson, I'm going to circle back to maintenance fees. Isn't it possible that the HOA can pay the city for maintenance on the park? Well, they don't exist yet. Understood. But we're writing a CUP, right? Conditional uses. And
I understand. And so one of the things that I think has been very difficult for the developer of a condominium is to think about things that prohibit or hamstring owners associations in the future. There's a certain, you know,
amount of assessments that make those unmarketable units. And I can't speak to that. It's probably more appropriate that like Steve or Brian do, but the maintenance of that park. Let me give you an example of what we talked about with the city manager. You guys have a
big concert in the park, right? Every bit of sod, you know, there's a rage out there and every bit of sod is torn up. It just doesn't seem appropriate for a homeowners association to have to come in and maintain a park that is a city
park that they are not in control of. um we don't have any idea what's going to happen out on that park and no control over it. And so it's not the maintenance issues themselves. It's there are liability issues and it's a cost issue
for the ultimate homeowners association. Building the park is something that a developer can do and they can say this is what we're doing for the city. Um, and that's why we've tried to put together a package of public benefits that the developer, not the homeowners association, can provide to the city as
part of the development, right? How do we provide this package of benefits that that's, you know, then you provide val you say yes, this is value for these 24 units. Um but but we do hesitate and we
have real grave concerns about putting costs on an ultimate homeowners association. Um it's harder to sell units when you do that. There's just business reasons why that's really difficult. Understood. But again, the park really is, you know, it's their view. Um you
know, it's their gateway into their luxury condos as well. And I don't think we're gonna We usually save our rages for over on the other part. So I don't think they're gonna be over there. You understand the concern, right? Yeah. I I I understand it. It's
liability issue, but um I also understand that that is, you know, that is right. If if doesn't control one of their own and we're given a we're given a fire truck pad part of the park is going to be used specifically, you know, for a firetruck if you guys need it. I mean,
there's not going to the fire in in the park itself is kind of a little bit presumptuous to say that there would be one that we need a we need a fire a pad there for that. The pads, let's be honest, the pad's for the development and it's in the residence park.
It's for all of the uses and hopefully we can make that aesthetically pleasing with the city manager during site plan approval. I just think there's a lot of little issues here and and and you know this is disturbing to see that comes up two days before meeting.
We only got the conditions on the Friday to sit down to talk with them and try to work these out. The the red is misleading because we moved a bunch of stuff around. There were a lot of duplications. There were the reason we added in applicants property, cup site plan, public property is that the way
the conditions were drafted originally, they used all different terms and you couldn't tell is this on the entire project site, is this on the applicant's property or is this on the public property. Uh and so we sat down and we worked with the city and we came through with a new set of conditions and they
gave us additional comments and what you're seeing is round two of those conditions. So it just does does doesn't quite feel it's ready. I'm just saying there there's a lot of issues here. So staff and seemed pretty comfortable where we went and we made all of their additional changes. So we believe that
we're ready and we'd be happy to talk about any of these with you. What is the cost of the maintenance on an annual basis for that park? City manager, do we have that information? Camden, can you give us a ballpark? Is
he still here? There you go. How many square feet is it? Can we do a quick long cutting square footage? Is it going to be 50,000 a year, 100,000 a year?
It's about point4 acres. Um I don't have an estimate on what that maintenance cost would be. So how much would we charge to cut half an acre four times a month? I I wouldn't know those numbers off the top of my head. Okay. So, I think we're just lacking
creativity here. I don't think we're we're lacking. So, your park benefit will also be a net negative to the city because of ongoing maintenance going forward. And to Commissioner Nikki's point, if I
understood her correctly, the park really isn't a draw for the residents or the rest of the island. there's really a benefit to the homeowners immediately abudding the park. And so I'm sure we can come up with a number
that as we've done with other cups for a period of maybe five years or 10 years there's a you know contribution to the maintenance a fixed number rather than I'm just giving an example 10,000 a year 50,000 a year 100,000 a year whatever the number is
to help offset the cost that you're adding to the city's bottom line if if I could clarify one point Mr. Mayor. Sure. One of the things you were talking about is the roundabout. That's city property. So that's not
private property. This is city rightway and we have done our best to make it to enhance it and make it look pretty and put something nice in the middle. Um but that's that is a feature to get people in and out and to the middle of the
plaza. That's public rightway. We're putting that green space. were putting in public art and the idea was to create a better space than what you have now or what the original um Corey Landing CUP contemplated by, you know, reconfiguring
it and providing that additional public space in the middle. So, it's not like we're like, oh, this is a public plaza. This is your public plaza. Um and and we are trying to make it look more attractive for you. It's also your, you know, the future
residents there, their public plaza as well. So, Commissioner Marup. Oh, yeah. I was going to ask the same question you asked of the city manager of roughly what the what the cost of maintenance of of a park is. You know, like what and and and I think we've
determined that we don't know what that number is necessarily, but that you know that that particularly, you know, I think I think what everybody up here is saying is is is is accurate. You know, that that yes, it's a it's a public park. Um I mean, it's pretty
close to my neighborhood. I'm sure I'm going to be there quite a bit. It looks like a beautiful spot, especially with the new kayak launch. Right. Exactly. Um, but it also because of the nature of the development, it also has the potential to feel like a private park for the people who live
there. And so I think it's it's coming up with the the balance of that, right? and and particularly for the first few years of the project when the residents are brand new and the project is still trying to be sold and people are
probably extra sensitive to the condition of the park that it would make a lot of sense for like the mayor said, you know, it it I don't think it's unreasonable to come up with a number um that's probably not all that much in the grand scheme of things that is, you know, the first three or five years of
of of some reasonable amount of park maintenance. um you know to to to help that transition. Um you know I think it's uh um I I I think we're all we're all concerned about the same thing which is that two years down the road there's 122
people calling us saying how come this park looks so terrible. So So I think you know I think that that's the that's the concern and and and I think that's a an overution avoids the liability issue for us. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And and then
it's not in perpetuity and it's not insurance and all those things. Um I I I'm I'm not certain how everybody else feels about um what Commissioner Robinson was just saying about, you know, like do do we do we all feel like
here in a pretty reasonable amount of time we can agree on agree on conditions and move forward or if we feel like there are things that need to be significantly negotiated? Well, I haven't gotten to asking any of
my questions yet. I'm jumping the gun there. Yeah, I have a question for Brandon as well. So, okay, Brandon, put you on the spot here. Um, so going back to what I asked the developer. So, requesting that the applicant use of the center dock for
public water taxi drop off and drop pickup. Does that support what you were asking under the uh project uh multimmobility? That was one of the one of the four items that we at least held out there as a potential request that was based on just in input that we received and it
does support project multimobility through our comprehensive plan. So if things lined up and it were to come together, this would be a desire from the staff. I I believe so. Okay. Thank you. Okay.
What is the total value of the project? I've seen several numbers in the package which is why what kind of value? The construction value, the end value once it's stabilized and sold. Both would be great. So the construction what did he
cost? Is that including the acquisition? Pardon? Does that include the acquisition of the land? No. Okay. 200 million plus of soft and hard costs for the construction portion roughly the 156 million of the
acquisition of the land. I I didn't handle the transaction. I'm just looking up in the tax records and then the I'm sorry that's fine. And so roughly what what are you looking as an exit number? Sorry.
Roughly what what's the final value of the project? I don't know 300 billion. Okay. Market conditions hold. Sure. I hope they do. I hope they get better. We all do.
Yeah. projected taxable value 323. So we're looking at roughly 2.2 2 million per unit, assuming that the upper floors are going to be significantly more expensive than the lower floors. And I'm just doing math in my head.
Yeah, Brian, it's like for the record, I didn't know I had to talk about my financial perform in in open public uh hearing, but I wasn't prepared for that. But I mean, yeah, the the the units, if we're averaging 1,800 units are going to need to sell around a thousand bucks a
foot or it doesn't, you know, you're not factoring in a lot more cost involved. There's commissions involved. There's interest involved, which we all know interest rates are high. There's a lot more that goes into it, of course, but it's also you need to consider that
we're adding a significant tax base to the city, right? And we're talking about cost, but you're also adding new tax base, which is paying taxes, which we're paying park impact fees. We're paying all these other impact fees to address what the project's doing. Plus, we're
spending all the capital expenditures. We're taking significant financial risk. Um, we all hope interest uh interest rates come down and and sales price go up, but we're taking a significant financial risk. We think we're uh presenting
significant benefit to the community. Um all the talks about uh sewer, no, we don't have money. Well, this project provides money. It provides benefit. These residents become community members. They live here. They want to be here, right? So, we're not just adding
these pariah residents. We're adding new neighbors. We're adding new people to the community that are taxpayers and they provide a benefit to the community. they help the community grow and thrive. So I think sometimes we see it from a different perspective. We our projects
have longevity. Um they perform they the residents become community members. They come become contributors to the neighborhoods. So it's not just a financial transaction. This project will have a a lasting impact beyond just the
development. What is the timeline for breaking ground? Well, sir, we have to get uh cup approved, cup modification approved. We have to get building permits. I mean, it it it would be realistically probably
within a year once we get approvals. So the that's our target again market conditions depending. Sure. So our city codes require starting within one year and I saw that you modify that to two years. Well again we we go ahead. It's all it's
all about market conditions. I mean one the permitting time because the way the code's written it says obtain a permit. We don't have control over how long it takes city staff to review a permit. We can control our part of designing and getting the plans done. I can't control how long it takes staff to review the
plants. That and then also just to deal with market fluctuations and market timing. That was a reason for that. I mean, we're making a significant significant investment. Obviously, we own the land. We're not under contract for the land. We own the land. We've already spent millions of dollars
dealing with all the environmental environmental problems that existed on the site. So, we're we're not going to delay unnecessarily. We're going to go as quickly as we're able to go. And then how many phases is the project
going to be? In generally, again, our initial would be we don't typically phase. We'll probably sequence is probably a better term, but we intend to develop it in roughly one phase, but there will be a sequence to the buildings. We don't know
exactly what that is. Part of that's going to depend on market, you know, which units sell first and we'll react that way. But in general, we would sequence, not necessarily phase. And when do you anticipate the project to be completed?
The construction timeline for something like this is anywhere from two to three years once we begin. I would like to say all of my projects deliver exactly on time, but when you have hurricanes, weather, you know, material acquisition, it it can
fluctuate. And at what point would be the retail building built? The the center building on let's call it on what was the Charlie site would be the last. we would probably exit our way out of that site. Um, what we also find
in a market uh perspective is, you know, if if somebody came in tomorrow and said, "Build the retail first. I want to be there." It's unlikely that a retail or restaurant tour is going to want to be in the middle of construction. Um, usually those are the last, like Alisa earlier,
they want the rooftops, they want the residents there to come and frequent their business. So, that's usually the last phase to deliver. Um, and then also just from a construction sequencing, right, we would build probably out and exit the site to clean that up. So
that'd be one of the last pieces. Sorry, we did draft in um, excuse me, at least Batzel, for the record, we did draft in a condition that we work with staff on uh, knowing that it was going to be done in one, what did you call it? Sequence. sequence um to ensure the mixeduse
components because I understand that the concern is you're going to build the residential buildings and then the mixed use isn't going to get built. Um and so the new condition number two talks about the fact that we cannot get the certificate of completion for the shell for the retail build or I'm sorry we
cannot get the last certificate of occupancy for the residential buildings until we have completed that shell and we cannot get the last certificate of of occupancy for each residential building until the mixeduse retail component within that building also has a
certificate of completion to ensure that you're getting you know the mix of uses concurrent with the development. So, I mean, we're looking at I think to Commissioner Robinson's point here, we're looking at eight pages of changes
to the conditions and I'm I'm looking at this and this is like 90% of what's in here belongs in development agreement. And so it seems like we're over complicating this thing because you know if we had developed an
agreement would we we would know when you're breaking ground what phases or sequence or whatever you call it as you're going to build in build it in. We would have a timeline for when the whole thing will be completed. We haven't done that on other development agreements. You don't know when that's going to happen. Uh you can
have milestones and we can absolutely set milestones in here based on certain things which we've done. Um I'm I'm not sure the hangup with the development agreement, but we've done a multitude of cups in this city where we condition the development with exactly these
conditions. Um they've been built, they are approved um with this commission. Yeah. What is what is the advantage that you see to a development agreement? So right now you have an open-ended permit. You want to start at some point
in the next two years. Maybe maybe not. Maybe we complete it in three or four years. Maybe we don't. Maybe we build a retail. Well, if you're looking at the new version of the conditions, we took that out. So, we will be getting a building permit within a year. Um, I think you're looking at an old version of the conditions. There's a version. Did you
distribute those, Ralph or do I need to? You have to. Okay. Can you get the new condition? This is the conditions after we made revisions. Staff asked us to make additional revisions. And so this has gone back and forth with us and staff.
And we did have a meeting where we had the city attorney Brandon Kristen and the city manager and our business folks to craft these conditions in a way that they actually work from a business perspective and they also protect the city to make sure that you're getting what it is that you expect.
We had a we had a teleconference or teams meeting at 2 o'clock yesterday. Um, but we haven't staff and I don't think have agreed to all the conditions that are here. So, I sent over Ralph just a very minor red line to what you guys did agree to in the meeting and they're literally
like a redline version of four to five. Sorry, what? Uh, you mean to the to add in the things that staff asked? No, you just handed out something that doesn't have any red lines in it. That's a clean version. I will. Okay, we will pull that. Um, I don't
know that we have the red line that we Oh, we can send it to Brandon. Brandon has it. I think you have it in your email as well, Ralph. What time did it come in? I I don't know. I have to look. Okay, I'll go see if I can find it. So, you want to take It was basically the minor comments from our meeting, Ralph, that like Brandon,
for example, wanted the addition of the language, not just certificate of occupancy, but certificate of completion. He wanted to make sure um I had inadvertently uh deleted the parking condition. we put that back in. Uh so they're fairly minor based on our
meeting, but we're happy to talk through those. Okay. So we are to we've got how many pages here? Five pages single spaced with extra wide margins like a narrow margin. to that. So, we're supposed to agree to something
we haven't had a chance to read. Well, I'm not sure why it wouldn't have been sent into the record when we sent it into the city like all of the other documents, but I just got that at 2:54 p.m. today. No, I don't think he did. Or Brandon sent included me at 2:54.
Let me see. 4:21. It doesn't have the attachment. I mean, when you look at the red line, you will see that it's literally the few things you ask us to add back in. And and if we need to, we can take a break and go over those however you guys want to handle
it. Um, but but we spent a lot of time working through the conditions with staff specifically. I recall a lot of hearings where we came in and we had the old condition and the new at the hearing. We've tried to do all that work ahead of time for the benefit of the community and the benefit of this this
board. Um because we saw how laborious it was at other hearings. Um so we really did, you know, make an effort to work with the city manager, the city attorney and staff before coming to you to come with a set of conditions that reflected what worked from a development perspective but also protected the city
and address the city's concerns. All right. So there seems to Okay, I found it. It was today at 12:47. I think that's the one you're talking about. And Brand has just sent it to me again. Now
it has a version five on the bottom left. See, or V5. I'm going to assume that's version five. That has two documents. It has a clean version, Ralph. And then it has the changes that you asked us to incorporate based on our meeting on Monday.
Okay. Which we did. This one doesn't have any version number in the bottom. Ralph, could could you talk through the changes? Any chance? or the applicant should talk through the changes that they're proposing.
Happy to do that. Um, let's make sure. Do everybody has a copy of the last conditions? Does Brandon have a copy? And does the city manager and Ralph have Okay, hold on. Because what I have here is an ordinance.
two emails. Ordinance. Okay. Um, Brandon, can you send me the this one? That's the conditions. Does Brandon have a copy of where you distributed? So, any this one? Yeah. Red line. So, while Brandon's getting that, I can
sort of tell you high level some of the concerns that we had and why we made modifications to the conditions. Um, I think we already talked about the fact that there were a lot of terms being used in the conditions. It was site, project site, developer property, applicant property, public property, but
there were no definitions of what that meant. And so we removed all of those terms and just put a definition section up at the top just to make sure that everybody's clear like which improvements are happening with which property. Brandon had listed out in two different
sections all of the public benefits and he wanted to be sure that it was clear here that those benefits that you see listed now consolidated under number one were over and above what was required by the code. And so we consolidated all of
those into condition number one. Thank you. So these are just quickly please. Just you so you can see what was sent over um earlier was just these cleanup
items for from staff's requests. minor stuff such as located on for clarity. Uh staff had asked us uh to add in a condition talking about how the applicant shall install frontage
amenities every 200 feet along the project frontage on a public rideway and he was concerned he wanted those same things to extend on the public prominade. So, we added in that language um at his request.
Uh the other thing that staff asked for is they were like, "What happens if you go in and you build all of these buildings and you don't do the public improvements?" Because the pretty stuff like the grass and you know, the landscaping goes in at the end. You've got construction vehicles out there.
It's one big site. Um and so we added a condition. and we crafted a condition that said that if at the time we pull that last building CO um and there are things that are not done which there won't be right you're not going to have all of the grass in um then we would
post a performance bond with the city to ensure that those are that those are done. the deletion of the landscaping uh warranty. That's in another section spelled out more clearly. I think we already talked about it. Um there's some warranties within the conditions. Number
one, uh the industry standard for trees is one year. Shrubs is 6 months and uh the city manager I believe asked for a seaw wall warranty of 18 months. So those are in there. The reason that's deleted is because they're all in different sections now appropriately
with the seaw wall and the landscaping. The next modification that you can see is really just defining um using a defined term. Brandon had said public street end and that was ambiguous to me and I wanted to be sure that we knew exactly where we were talking about. So
we defined that term. We had both references to developer and applicants property. So we just cleaned that up to make sure it was consistent. Uh if you look at the new condition number 12 that Brandon is passing out, we added a provision as you can see on
the overhead that in addition to adding in the restrictions about where construction trucks would go, we also agreed um to give more comfort that we would post that at the job site as well as being in the contractor's contract.
What section is that? Uh that's the new section 12. And you can see the change on the overhead. Can you zoom in just a little bit on the overhead please? Just a touch. Thank you. So originally on that you are
responsible for the construction traffic. Yes. And so one of the things that we discussed at length with the city manager is that there is a provision in number 27. I think it's 27 or 28 that basically says if you violate the cup uh
in any way that commission can revoke, if we have a construction crew out there and we've done everything that we can and somebody takes a wrong turn, we can't be in the position where all of a sudden city council, I'm sorry, city commission says we're revoking your cup
permit. So we work with staff for some notice of notice and cure provisions and then we put actual things that we could do to try to control it. Not relying on third parties and what somebody else may do, but how can we make sure as the developer that those concerns are
addressed. And that included number one adding those provisions into the contracts that we um that we executed with all of the contractors and posting those things on site. And we can add Somebody mentioned signs. We're happy to put up signs as well. So when you say you work with the staff,
that implies that the staff agreed with you. Staff said they didn't have concerns with the changes and they asked us to make these additional changes. Okay, we will ask the staff about that. Um, and then second, I'm not sure how that's an improvement to us, the city.
That is a huge benefit to you. What do you What do you mean? Well, absolving you of the responsibility of managing your subcontractors. We don't have any privity of contract over the subcontractors. All we can do is control the people that we have a contract with. Yeah, we can put Right.
We're asking you we're asking to control those people and then you will be ultimately responsible for making sure that they adhere to those terms of the contracts. So on a number of other CUPs there have been delivery conditions. No, it's important, right? I mean, it's important because if you went into a
development and you said, "I want you to control everything a third party does. And if you don't do that, we're going to yank this away from you." Nobody would have any private property rights because you would basically I mean, it's the same issue we had on the beach. People walking around on the beach with a cup that walks off. That's that person's
action. Even if you post a sign, even if you try to police them. Um, and so we are fine agreeing to things that we can control. Um, but you know, you we have to be reasonable in what you're asking us. And if you can think of other things that we can do on the site, we're open
to that. But if we have one guy that turns the wrong way, it goes down the street despite the fact that our contract says they can't do that. We've posted it and potentially have signs. I'm not sure that is reasonable.
I I never understand why it's always, you know, no one seems to be concerned about the people that live on Bay Street and having trucks going down for 5 years in a row at 6:00 in the morning. That doesn't seem to concern anyone.
Concerns me. Well, it does concern me and it does concern the residents that live there. What I'm saying is like when when before us your your answer is like, well, you know, we just can't control what people do. No, I'm asking you to tell us how can we control things
appropriately where we can guarantee that we can do what you're asking us to do. If you have a cleaning lady that's at your house and you tell her don't turn right and she wants to get somewhere and go quick, she's going to turn right. I mean, some of this is human nature. I guess maybe traffic calming before
this project starts and and number two would be would be closing down Bay Street. What do you mean closing down Bay Street? There's a a section of Bay Street that you can definitely make it so it's not viable to to that it would dead end around 73rd.
Do you think that the residents would want us to close down their street? I've already talked to them. I don't Yeah, it's a city street. I mean, if you want to close down a street so so traffic doesn't you have the ability to do that. We don't have the
ability to shut down your street. But if that's what you think will keep people from turning. Well, I'm just putting that out there is is another um and maybe it being permanently and it being something that
you you absorb in a cost to do. I mean the traffic calming it down those streets for 5 years is huge. I mean it's huge to have to listen to that. Understood. We when we get a break we are absolutely going to discuss traffic calming. I understand it's something you'd like us to come back with in just
a few minutes, but we will. But I was Do you want me to go continue on the conditions? Sure. One of the issues that staff had expressed a concern about is making sure that if a building was built, there was adequate parking for that building, even if we're still under construction with others. So, we added a condition to say
that all adequate functional parking will be on each building as it's built. And then we have asked for uh as typical a dotus and cure period if there's something that you think we're doing. Sometimes we don't know what's happening give us notice allow us to fix it. Um we
have asked for that in all other cups and the commission was reasonable in granting that. How many days did you ask for? um 30 days unless the cure takes longer than that and then we'd we'd have to be
using good faith efforts to cure it. Seems like you already have a mechanism in here to address your contractors. I can tell the contractors not to do it. I can't prevent them from doing something that's beyond our control. I mean really if you can think of other things that are direct that are not
related to third party action, we will consider them. I mean I understand that it's a big issue for the folks on Bay Street. Um it's it's not just Bay Street. It's Bay Street and it's Bo it's G Winds and portion it's the whole area and it's all the little adjacent streets that run down there.
It's all of them. But counselor this is it's your responsibility to come up with the measures right as I mentioned to you before right help me get to a yes. Okay. And so I'm giving you the talk
about the traffic calming. We'll have another discussion about things that we can do that is that are with within our control. Um I'm thinking of one or two other things in my head right now. Um staff thought this was adequate, but obviously we will go back and try to
come up with something in addition. I understand the concern. I really do. I hope you understand why we're concerned about, you know, what what a random contractor might do on a street even though he's been told, even though his general contractor, you know, has
something in his contract prohibiting it and even though we've posted signs sometimes, how are we going to hold you accountable to enforcing your contract? What if you have a contractor you absolutely love? He's the cheapest guy on concrete and he decides to bring his concrete truck three times a day down the wrong street
at 6:00 in the morning. Are you going to the conditions here that you're going to fire him after the third offense? Well, there's got to be teeth if we're putting it in there. Sure. I mean, if we know that it could risk our conditional use permit, of course. I mean, it would be irresponsible not to put
right now. We have no recourse. You don't have recourse because you're not in privity of contract. We are trying to put the recourse that we have with the measures that we have. Um, and you do have recourse. You can you can say we saw someone turning down. Please let them know. We'll make sure that I
mean, you know, and they could do it over and over again and would have no recourse because you have absolved yourself in any responsibility of the consequences of of I don't think that's fair given this particular condition. Um, it's just like
a delivery truck driver that's supposed to come at 7 o'clock that comes at 6:55. That's technically not technically violating, you know, the contract. We talked about this in many other situations. Yeah, we have,
right? So, come back with something that we can work with. I will say that when uh the mitigation was being done on the site and I had several residents on I think 73rd or
72nd reach out to me because there were trucks from the from the mitigation of the of the soil driving down their street. Um and when I reached out to city staff and to a lease, the problem was fixed within about seven hours. And the residents all called me back a week
later and said, "Yep, they've stuck to it. the problem was fixed. So I mean I think you know when they were doing the street uh blinds pass and doing the curbs and everything else on that and redoing blind pass nothing got fixed on the rest of the streets over there and
there was dumping of uh uh before uh the the the aggregate all along the street. I mean it was bad. So you have to have some sort of recourse on it. I think what we're getting at is none of
us really expects that to happen based on the level of project that you're building and what I'm assuming the contractors you're going to be using for $300 million project. And then at the same time that says to me is like well you really shouldn't have any objection
to being held accountable in that case because you know the quality of individuals you're going to be hiring. And so, do you know how difficult it is to get people to come out and work these days on a construction site? Hey, Brian Vansike for the record. So,
we build extremely large scale projects and we build in extremely congested areas, urban areas where there's literally no space. Okay? So, we we are able to execute this on a on a very high level. We're not
perfect. subs aren't perfect. We we do put measures in our contract agreements. I I but I am not a police officer, right? So, I don't have the right somebody takes a wrong turn, they've left my property. I I can
take some kind of contract action if I know there's a problem. Right. We are responsible. We try and be good neighbors. We really do, right? And we we try and be good neighbors. I can't control everyone's actions that I'm not in direct control of. They leave my site. I don't control them. Um, so we're
able to work this out in many locations, but I can't what I what I can't accept is some third party does something and with no notice, no cure period, I get a death sentence. You have the right to
remove my approval because some delivery driver, maybe it's genuinely an accident. Maybe he got lost and he took a left when he should have taken a right and then you have the right to to strip me of all my approvals. I mean that that's that's the extreme we're talking
about here. We we put measures in. We manage our contractors. We use extremely high quality contractors and most of their guys are are very highly trained. Right. We're doing a condo project. So that requires a higher level of contractor.
But again, we just want to find a reasonable balance. We will put things in our contract with our general contractor. We, you know, a site like this will be manned, right, when it's open. There'll be there's usually a not a traffic cop, but there there's a there's a person at the entrance
coordinating deliveries. We usually work, it's normally with a building official and the city engineer to create traffic flow patterns. And if we are doing a big concrete pour where there are concrete trucks, we'll we'll agree on a staging area, right? Because we'll
have to have some truck stage. We we work through all these things. I'm I'm sure we're we're going to inconvenience somebody at some point. No doubt. It's that's hard to do in a project of this scale, but we want to be good actors. We we require ourselves to
be good actors, but again, I I'm limited in what direct action I can take against people that are not on my property. So, I think we could probably look at breaking it down into two categories, right? Stuff that happens on site that
you have full control over. So, for example, work hours or what the city ordinances work hours are, no Sundays, right? And so on. Yeah. And so, you have full control over that. Now, that really shouldn't be any objection to being subject to a cup review, which is what every other
building, every other CUP is. Stuff that is offsite, somebody taking the wrong turn. That's the kind of stuff that could be mitigated to your contracts. And to make sure that look, let's make sure you understand what the parameters of this particular project are. There's some nuances here. Don't go driving down the residential streets. Stay on the
main arteries, right? That kind of stuff. So, but but there still should be a notice and cure period. A resident doesn't And you have that already in there. You have a Well, I'm just saying as long we're as long as if guys are I don't know what the ordinance is, but if people are supposed to start
at 7:00 and somebody shows up at 6:45, right? And then neighbor calls, hey, the guys were here, we can take action, right? And we can say, "Guys, site opens at 7:00, not at 6:45." Right? We can work to to cure that, right? But it can't be some guy showed up today at
6:45. We're going before a commission. We're removing your CU. Right? No one's looking for No one's looking for P. looking for accountability. Sir, no one's looking for punitive. We're looking for accountability. We're we will put measures in. We, you know, hire professional constructions managers. Steve will be running this
project. He has a team of in-house people that monitor the GC. So, we we fully these are fully staffed projects with, of course, construction management professionals, you know. So, we we operate at a fairly high standard, but we're not perfect.
And and so we're we we are not trying to absolve ourselves of responsibility, but we're just trying to ask ask for some reasonleness. Yeah, sounds good. Thank you, sir. Any further questions or should we go to audience comments?
Let's go to I'd love to hear what city clerk, do we have any audience comments? Lisa O'Connor, if you'll please state your name and address for the record. Hi, my name is Lisa Okconor and I live
at 273 West Vina Delmare. Um, and I just want to begin by saying that I do acknowledge the concerns of our homeowners and our residences in St. Pete Beach of and expressing the development or the issues of the development particularly with the
infrastructure and the sewage system and the storm systems. I do acknowledge that as a homeowner it is an important issue for me as well. Um, and I think it's important that we make it in a sustainable growth, but I do not want this community to be stagnant. So, I am
here to express my support for the community. Um, I think it's an opportunity that we have for St. Pete Beach to move forward. I think Cory Avenue has been underappreciated and underdeveloped and I think that this is going to be an opportunity for us to
bring focus to a very significant part of this charm in this community for Corey Avenue. Um we had a significant damage on this street and we can still see visibly that all of the issues are still rebuilding. Um, I do have some
reasons for um I think the reasons that I have for approval of this is revitalization. This project will breathe new life into this area and to the community which will drive people from all areas of St. Pete Beach up to Corey Avenue. I think
the economic stimulus that will come to it, it will support the local businesses, especially the ones around Corey Avenue. Um, and it will also bring attractive new investments to this area. I think the community vibrancy that comes with it, welcoming new neighbors
to our community also brings a fresh energy to the community. You know, I fell in love with this community back 20 years ago and I I only want the best for this community. But I do believe that new neighbors do bring also a new bit of energy to this community. Increased
property values. Whenever you have a building of this substantial value and luxury, that value and that important impact also spreads to the rest of us. So, anybody that's across the street or around the corner is also going to see
an an increase in their value. Um, and then also I think most importantly the selection of the developer that choose that we choose to to develop this area. This this area needs to be developed. It's been hopefully developed for quite
some time now, but with Culture being that choice, um, they have a significant track record of success. They deliver a beautiful product and that's happened all over Tampa Bay area and and I welcome it to our community as well. Um,
I think that there is I think it was mentioned by someone on the development team that it would take at least two and a half, three years in order to build this project. So the concerns that our neighborhoods have and our homeowners have and my friends personally have based on the infrastructure that time of
construction can also coincide at the same time that we rebuild our infrastructure. So I am here to just express the fact that I am in approval with this project. Thank you for your time. Also thank you for the tough questions and protecting our ownership.
Thank you. Mark Hubard. You'll please state your name and address for the record. Hello again. Mark Hubbert, 4919 Tangerine Avenue South, Hovers Marina and Tampa Bay Ferry. What a beautiful project. That is a amazing design you
guys have put together. For 45 years as a young boy, I I traveled across Corey Avenue Bridge and for the last 45 years, I've watched that whole peninsula just slowly deteriorate into a blighted area. So, what an exciting time for you all to have the opportunity to work with a
company that can redevelop it. I want to remind the city and inform the developers that uh Tampa Bay Beaches held a bunch of committee meetings as well as the Panelis County uh panels forward developing waterborne
transportation on the Gulf beaches. Corey Avenue designated as a real strategic point to get residents and visitors to Corey Avenue and from Corey Avenue to the other locations on in on the Gulf beaches uh with a walk-on walk
off water taxi. Not necessarily one facil one boat, but multiple boats could come and go. Doesn't have to be a designated slip. the the four uh slips for transient boats. Just a place for the boat to unload and unh pick up and
unload. Usually about a 14 by 50 foot boat. You ask about what size. Most are shallow draft. So it would be a transient slip just for not even a slip. It could be just on the far east end of those four slips. that main uh finger
dock that sticks out there possibly uh on the southern end, but those are all private docks, I believe. And to build a complete new dock, it seems silly. You already have the transient docks there. There's plenty of room to be able to put together something just for some signage
and uh pedestrian walkways to the roundabout that would connect to the historic Corey Avenue shopping district and all the new retail and restaurants in this facility. What an exciting time. I hope you all can figure it out and it
all works out. I look forward to the future and possibly uh being part of the waterborne transportation system. Thank you. Any questions? Hannah Hawkman. If you please state your name and
address for the record. Hi, I'm Hannah Hawkman. Um, I am a resident of El Centro, but I'm actually speaking to you on behalf of my business, which is the Beach Theater, and we are in full support of the Corey
Landings Project. I went to y'all's meeting at the Sarata. I went or I saw the webinar that they did a couple months ago and what they're proposing would be such a major boost for the small businesses on Corey. We've had a hard year. I think we all
know that. Um, and I don't think any residents on Sandy Beach want to see more Corey Avenue businesses close. What they're proposing is a lifeline for us. And they're good people. I and would
make really great neighbors to have on Corey Avenue. So, I'm here to say the Beach Theater fully supports this project. And also, I am very excited about a public park. Um, and if an artistic vision is what the city is lacking, I would like to remind you you
do have an operating theater with a team of resident artists who would be happy to put together a proposal for you to see a vision for the park. So, thank you so much. Thank you, Aliyah Shurmer. Aliyah Shurmer, 2132 Lakewood Club Drive
South. My name is Aaliyah Shurmer and I'm a secondy year law student at Stson University College of Law. I'm also a frequent visitor of St. Pete Beach. I'm also a part-time employee of the Beach Theater and a former resident of Treasure Island where I was unwillingly
moved out by Hurricane Hela. I spent a great deal of time on St. Pete Beach from having dinner at Chill or meeting friends at Twisted Tiki or catching a movie at the beach theater. And I'm here to tell you that St. Pete Beach needs this development. We need Corey Landings
to bring people back to our island to support local businesses and to revitalize the local economy. Walking down Corey Avenue, we see our local businesses are struggling. Shop windows are empty. Businesses are closing early. And the businesses that are still open
are simply praying for people to just walk in. Corey Landings doesn't just bring people to St. Pete Beach and our businesses. It brings hope to an island that desperately needs it. I urge you all to
approve Corey Landing and to allow hope to be brought back to our community. Thank you, Dana Gapudis. If you please state your name and address for the record. I'm Dana Gapudis at 24271st Avenue. Um,
so basically the Bay Street hits golf winds. That's me. Um, so and I have, you know, a now four-year-old, six-year-old. We've had toddlers on our street. I know there's autistic children on our street. Um, and for that reason, I am very
concerned about the the 71st cut through at high speeds. we already have motorcycles that rev and cut around and all kinds of stuff. But anyway, more than that, um, from my perspective, our our city needs some money, right? Let's take some tax and let's bring it in and it'll be great. I'm so happy it's condos
instead of apartments to get that that property tax in there, but also our retail, right? The retail and the restaurants that went down. So, that was like I think from 1700 or 17,000 to about 10,000. So, I would love to see more retail and restaurants
specifically. Um, and then like things like in that city park, the shade tree, the shade trees are like lining the buildings and the actual park itself is just palm trees. So, I will never go there ever cuz sunscreening kids is horrible. Um, but so basically, can we
just think about what we see when we see Straw Park? We see people reading under trees. We see people walking along the water or Ballast Point Park, right? They have that long pier that's just pedestrian or fishing. Obviously, I know we're not going to get that, but the transient docks are like around the corner. Not that great. Uh, and that
that first dock sub to the the bulkhead, I mean, that's gorgeous and beautiful, and I'm going to look at that and wish it was accessible to our community every day. So, if there's any way to make like that a little accessible, whether it's like the part the gate is where the boats start and, you know, anyone can
walk straight, I don't know how that all works. Um, also a little concerned about the perpetual easement for the transient docks because like what if the HOA says just kidding. So, I don't know. Um, okay. In terms of parking, I love that there's a parking garage because we need
elevated parking. Can residents of the surrounding community park there during hurricane evacuations? You know, we had cars up and down the Bayway Bridge. We had them at McDonald's, saved our truck, but a lot of friends lost their cars in the in the flood. So once that's developed, it could be a place for residents to put their cars, not the
resident part, but you know, the the public shopping, retail spots. Um, but in terms of street parking, what's that going to be? Is it going to end up being metered and commercialized? Is it going to end up being um like two-hour restricted parking, loading, unloading, etc. Um traffic calming? We don't like
we don't like the speed bumps. I know we're we're some of those people. Um but yeah, I'm just really concerned about that the fast route because we are the fast route. you go golf 71st that there's only like one stop sign. Um I would be in favor of you shutting down
stay at 73rd. I know a lot of people laughed at that but I was like well works for works for toddlers. Um the St. John school closed because of a changing demographic right so we used to send our kid there and one of the reasons they decided not to reopen and I don't know this for sure with St. Albinss but I perceive it to be the case is that the
demographics are changing on the beach. So, we need to bring a younger, youthful something to our beach. Thank you, Keith Gapudus. Can I read the statement? He went home because the babys
commissioners, any objections? Fine with me. Okay, he says, "This is Keith Caputus, also at 24271st Avenue, because we only had a babysitter until 8:30. That was comical."
Um, okay. I'm a frequent boater. That's one of the reasons I've lived here since 2009. I know many Boers who live on the island. One of the things I know is that for a docking situation to be viable and promote economic activity, you need enough slots, I think is what he meant,
to provide a reasonable availability. If people think there's only four slips, I'll never get one. It will discourage use. For example, Sea Dog Brewing only has a flu slips for patrons. So, we rarely try to go there because it's going to be hard to get one. Meanwhile, Wararf and Red, White, and Boos and Pass Grillil have a larger number of slips.
So, we do prioritize those businesses. People that often boat up to a restaurant or a commercial district that often arrive in large groups are looking to spend money at our restaurants. I did some math. Assuming 133 units, 31 is 23%, 35 is 26%. That means the shift of
four slots from public to private impacts only 3% of condo units, but it's a 50% drop in slips available to the public, which represents all the residents of St. Pete Beach plus boat traffic surrounding areas such as St. beat South Pasadena Gulfport, Treasure Island. Would these be the only
transient boat slips on the whole island? Having eight public slips would be hugely valuable to the revitalization of Corey. Additionally, I'm not sure that this reduction is in the best interest of future tenants. Not everyone using transient docks will be using them. I'm sure the residents, the 133
units will want to have visitors. Sometimes they can be picked up by boat. Can they be viewed as visitor parking for the condo residents? Does four transient slips provide sufficient capacity for both community members looking to enjoy the area as well as visitors of residents? Um
I'm wondering if the prior statement that the dock was approved was misleading or not and what was approved 31 plus 8 or 35 plus 4. It would be good for the council members to dig into that a bit more. Lastly, I'm very excited about what Captain Hubard mentioned at the beginning of this meeting regarding
waterbased public transit concern. I'm concerned that the reduction in public slips may further impact. He has a secondary concern to safety related to traffic voting traffic. I don't have a clear idea on how to best address the concerns, but I want to share my
thoughts. It looks like the projected trip changes are heavily weighted till Corey and the -42 trips and minus 20 trips off Bokeh SGA. I did not see a specific shift projected from Mangrove Avenue and I have a hard time imagining that will actually play out. Speaking as
someone who has driven this route for 15 years, anyone coming over the Corey Bridge will turn on Mangrove. It's been illogical to think that anyone will voluntarily go one block further just to go one block backwards. Realistically, most cars coming from the south of the property will take Golf Winds, turn
right on 71st, and connect to Bay Street to bypass all the congestion on G and Corey, which is to go right by my house where my kids will be playing outside. I get that there's a methodology which the developers stated was followed, but I share Commissioner Robinson's concerns.
Thank you. I have no more speaker cards commissioners. We have gone over the time and um I will I will blame you since you came back with more confidence. Um, so first we need a
motion to extend. Um, how long? Make a motion. I make a motion to extend 1 hour to 11. I second. City clerk. Commissioner Maldonado. Yes.
Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner Rzniki? Yes. And Mayor Petrill? Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. Next audience comment. Nope. There aren't. I have no more speaker cards. Okay. I propose that we take a 7 minute
recess to 10:10. Any objections? No. Okay. We'll see you back in 7 minutes. Sure. Um, I have a couple of questions for city staff. Brandon, if you don't mind,
if you could just help us out understand the um so for example, we've got examples of different cities and how they calculate, you know, benefits and added value for density units. So let's take for example
that the Tampa example. What number represents 10% for this project? How much is that? So using them as a comparison community, they use the international code council building valuation tables that come out twice a year. That's one of the basises
that they use. So that doesn't account for variations in median income projects and higher income projects because it's based on square footage. Obviously, luxury projects are going to have more square footage, but it's not based on, you know, fixture quality or finishes or
things like that. But based on that, we came up with a value for the the median construction cost um based on the most recent table, which was in August, of around, and I'm getting to it. It's about it was about $13 million for the
bonus units, which is what Tampa looks at. that they look at the a percentage of the bonus construction cost for in this case the residential units. So if the project cost based on the applicants numbers is roughly 200 million
25 units represents out of 330 roughly 20%. So that means that that is actually more like 40 million not and and that was not including hallway space any kind of interior amenity
space. We what we have at this point are conceptual floor plans. So we were looking at the square footage of the units and the the terrace space but that not that did not include hallways. It didn't include any kind of common areas. So um it it it would underount if it were
to count count those areas. So, I have a couple of proposals if the commissioners would care to entertain them. Thank you, Brandon. I'm sorry. Um, so let's start with one of the easy
ones, the boat slips. So based on what I'm hearing is the boat slips are a great asset, a great community benefit because they're going to help the Corey Avenue businesses. They're going to help revitalize that
area. Um, and I do agree with the last comment and other comments that we've heard from residents and emails and so on. Uh, that four certainly is not enough. And so
I would propose eight. If we could have one of those as a kayak launch, that certainly would be benefit if if it could be done. But even if it couldn't be done, I'd still think eight would would be a sufficient number that you
know in fact that would benefit the applicant as much as anyone else because you're going to maintain control of the retail space and so people having access to those boat slips would also have access to their restaurants and to their retail facilities and so on and that
certainly would go much longer way to help the Corey Avenue businesses. Commissioners, any thoughts on this proposal? I would just add that if they were to increase it that a number be designated for overnight, maybe two or three.
I I don't necessarily see that. I think part of the issue is because it's on private property that think they should have the ability to restrict ours. So, you know, sunrise to sunset or something like that, something that's reasonable because at the end of the day, it's still going to it's still
somebody else's home that they're docking at in front of. Yeah. I I do see why you're saying that though. And but I mean, we do have other spots that they can if somebody wanted to be overnight that they can moore up at. Okay. Um
is that we can go through these one by one. Yeah. Well, I think it would be helpful from a financial perspective if we understood what the cumulative ask was. Um, again, the developer has already put I can keep going through my list and then we can that'd be great. And then we can see
everything and then maybe if it's okay with you, Mr. Bayer, and the commission, we'd have just a few minutes to kind of caucus about it. We'd like to be thoughtful in our decision and make sure that we're thinking through all of this. Well, that's going to lead me to another proposal I have, which is that we
actually vote on your density units considering hoping that we can work through all of these conditions here and then postpone your cup to the next commission meeting because I don't feel comfortable agreeing to something I haven't had a
chance to read, that our city attorney hasn't had a chance to read, that our city staff hasn't had an opportunity to review and vet. And I think that's also going to fix uh your comment from earlier that you know you might be releasing your density units and then not have them. But this way if the commission does vote on your density
units, you will actually have second reading at the same time as a cup. Um so again, I don't know how the rest of the commission feels about it, but I certainly do not feel comfortable voting on something without having read it. And we're going to be doing this in two weeks anyway. So at this point I think
if we can work again the other thing is I want answers from city staff what's going to what's the maintenance cost of the park so we can put a number in that that we all feel comfortable with some of the other things I'm going to be asking for as well. We don't have an objection to that. Uh just with with one question to the city
attorney. So Ralph, if you're voting on the allocation, that is a that doesn't get if they vote to pass it or first reading today, it doesn't get passed until the next hearing. Correct. Correct.
Procedurally. So nothing on the existing property, no vested rights would be affected until the concurrent vote at the next meeting. Correct. And we don't have any objection to that. Um, it would be helpful to us to hear all of the comments and so that we can collectively go back and I think we can
come back to you also after that period of time with a better proposal that addresses your concerns in a more comprehensive way. Yeah. And they'll give you an opportunity to go speak with your project managers and figure out how we can Okay. Uh, this is more for city staff. Um,
so looking at Bay Street, just I just want to get it out so forget about it. Um, I think we should have a conversation, maybe do maybe it's already part of the parking study. Maybe we have a community survey with those residents who to see if they do want to do just like it's down in Dancesar if
they want a one-way correct turn, no left turn, for example, so that your truck drivers can't even turn south for the duration of the project. that certainly would help your situation as well, would help the residents as well. But I think that's a conversation that the city staff can have with the residents and the district 2
commissioner. Um, doesn't have to happen in the next two weeks. I'm just um I would also like to get better numbers from public works about the sewer situation. So that I I appreciate the offer of 250.
Um, I agree with you that it should be a not to exceed number rather than pay for the whole thing so that it's it's a fixed, you know, that you're not going to go over a certain amount. I would
I'm not even sure. Commissioner Resniki, I I keep coming back to your concern about the about the park and how it could be a draw from the for the community. I think one of the ways is to have those public docks where we you know people know that it's
there and it's available. Um I don't know if you have any thoughts or any ideas on how that could be. I mean I don't I'm thinking don't not I'm just saying an example pavilion, right? I'm not saying we need a pavilion there or anything else. I'm just saying how can we make it more of a
Um, and it's funny you say pavilion because I had thought, you know, even like they mentioned, I wouldn't even, one of the comments was we wouldn't even go there because there's no shade, you know, and that that's the point. You see the pictures, they look beautiful. You see people sitting on the grass, but really how long are you going to look
that beautiful sitting on the grass in the hot sun? Not very long. So, pavilions or shelters or something would would bring a draw for someone to be there. Whether you're exiting, and I'm not saying to put it on the prominade, you know, it could be in the public park
area, but someone coming and going off of a boat, you know, needs an area to go to. I don't think the residents would appreciate um everyone loading and unloading stuff on a dock, you know, on a transient dock without a place to move. You signs and I
mean, all those are logistics. I'm not asking to put that on a condition, but the logistics of it needs to be addressed with the city or the parks department. how how that would work and even on the and I and I would appreciate the additional transient docks but the
definition of a transient slip needs to be defined and I only know this because I I happen to have a friend who has transient dock in another city and there's always an issue with the associations on what is a transient dock and this is not a public park situation
but in their case a transient dock for people who live in that condominium means it's theirs and they load and unload and they stay there all day and then they go dock their boat in the marina where they keep it because some people won't keep it on a slip, right?
So they actually go to their, you know, wet slip d wherever they keep their boats and then they come for the rest of the weekend. By the way, I'm glad you mentioned hours because they'll keep their boat the whole weekend there and no one else can dock there. So, it's not
necessarily a public dock for people outside of the condominium because the people who live there are using it as a private transient dock. Um, so I don't know how that could be worked because I know you don't have an association established yet for that dock. And I'm
I'm gonna assume maybe you're going to have an association just for docks, you know, in in the maybe I know there's different people, you know, it's association for the building, associations for the the the general um space, and then there's associations for seaw walls and docks. Many do it
differently, but that little language of what it means since it is on a private dock, these transient slips that are being dedicated for public use. So anyways, I just mentioned that because
it could be com it it could be lost very easily. So maybe we can look at something at the park, some kind of shade structures, whether you have those concrete trellis looking things or whatever it is, just
something that provides some shelter. Ask a question regarding that. So we had originally had shade trees and we were asked to replace them with palms for the maintenance issues. Um, I think we're happy to do that, but we again there's
sort of a couple different factors here. So, it would help us um to understand from a directional perspective. Do you want shade trees? Do you you know what the city manager said, we don't want shade trees. It costs too much to maintain. So, we took away the shade
trees. So, just sort of putting that out there as we have these discussions. I think um there's history with some of this and we were providing those. That's why I said like a shade structure. I I heard that. I wrote it down. Come back with something that says, "Okay, here's what we're thinking. Give us some best trying to read a lot."
Trying to read the tea leaves and all of it together. Can can I also ask something else about the prominence since we're talking kind of about the the slips and they're on the prominade side and this is going to be a legal uh question too because it's an easement right that the public can
use to access towards um sorry the easement will be the sidewalk but they need to go on a private dock right to get to the slips. Is there an issue with that? and um for
the for the easement that and I forgot which condition it was. I think it was 1B for the future possibility of having a boardwalk to say to go to Haram Park. Um you have a submerged land lease. Does that have to also be taken into
consideration with the easement if in the future we're you know we're able to do that kind of a boardwalk over to Haram Park. Does that have to be addressed if it's crossing over a submerged land lease? Yeah, we'll look at all these permits.
I'm not Yeah, I know you might not have the answer. I'm just throwing it. We're taking notes. Yes, I understand. So, another concern that um for the residents in that that particular area is and it's funny because the traffic study showed zero people going left on
Bay Street. Not sure how you think that's going to happen. That's that's the projected Yeah. Let Becca Let Becca address Anyway, it doesn't that's not really the
I'm not arguing the point. I'm simply saying it's funny that the model showed zero. Um, and so the concern of course is the significant increase in traffic um on those small streets and then what
impact that's going to have uh on that infrastructure. Um, I'll let the city attorney tell us how we could uh if we were looking for contributions to help with that
through the increase that isn't that what transportation impact fees go to directly, Ralph? The mobility fee ordinance to impact on roadways. That combined with the no turn onto bay
during construction, but you're talking about after construction when there's people living there. Yeah. Possibly having a no turn, no left turn out of the development onto Bay Street. I'm looking at a contribution from the developer just like we've had with other
CUPs in the past where they're contributing whether it's multimmodal or something else. You know, because they are going to be negatively impacting that neighborhood. They're adding roughly double the number of units for those streets.
Actually, we're reducing trips on the street and reducing the number of units with the request. So, the traffic will actually go down and impact will go down. talking about actual people that live there today versus how many people will live there once a project is done. You're going to be doubling the number of people in cars. What's our transportation impact fee
amount or a mobility fee amount? I understand what you're asking for. Okay. So, help us out with that. I can give you a number if you want. noted. Got it.
Okay. Um, just going back to Commissioner Rzniki's comment about a connection to uh, Han Park, does the easement include giving us the ability to do so
in the future if we decided to do so? It does. That's how we drafted it. Okay. It actually get we wrote it so we give it now and it can be relocated like it doesn't go into effect until you have a project that is designed, engineered and funded to be built and then the
easement will give that to you. It will be effective as of the date those things three things happen. And then wherever we choose to put that easement today, if you find that you're going to have that easement and it needs to move, there's a provision in there that we can modify
that easement at such time. Those are all the items I have. Commissioners, do you have anything else you would like to as commissioner? Sorry. Um, just a qu a question. What is an I'm stuck on seaw wall um because of
the cost, but what is the the private seaw walls warranty? Um because I know one of the conditions was talked about that we were given 18 months which I think is really low. What the city asked for. Yeah. Oh, it's what the city. Now, does the I think is there a number that they give
you when they build a seaw wall? Um, and you might not know it. You can come back to me on it. Just I I don't see why it can't be what the the actual construction company warrants. Sure. Versus us saying 18 months. Sure. Uh, for the record, Steve Barber U
KT Corav LLC. Um, obviously haven't gotten that far with our contractor. Um, haven't even made a selection quite honestly. We just wanted to get preliminary pricing. Um, there is a statutory one-year warranty that they would have to provide. I think generally because of the the
construction of these walls, you we will be offered a a greater warranty than that. I wouldn't be surprised for it to be in excess of of 18 months. So, whatever whatever we are provided by the contractor, we we select, we would certainly pass along to to the and I would say to add that, you know,
to the condition to extend it because it I mean, for the price that you're paying for that seaw wall. Yeah, it should be substantial. So, and and another question um and I and I I just started reading this um revised so I do want more time for V, but I did look at
it during the break um on the condition for um one G that we talk about the install of two frontage amenities um every 200 feet. Can we have um because I know you
mentioned there's a cap obviously on what you're going to be um spending or is this an unlimited cap. So like is there a list like what is defined as an amenity? Is it you know a waste basket? Is it bench staff condition? Um
but I mean it's open-ended right there that was drafted by by staff. I think the intent from talking to Brian Brandon and he can say is that they didn't want it to be long and continuous without it being broken up. A bench, you know, uh something interesting to look at like
making it visually and the pedestrian experience better than just a sidewalk. Um and so that condition I think Brandon you crafted is it what's in line with the vision? Um it is. So, like the amenities and and I'm looking at Brandon because I know I mean you added it to our packet. So, I
was wondering if that's what those amenities are like the the glass inserts and the sidewalk and you know all the things that had been done before on that vision study. Correct. And we had we had spoken this through with the applicant yesterday. We I have not reviewed this yet. We'd asked
for a few additional items within this just variation. They can't have the same feature um you know throughout the entire span. But otherwise either land development code section 39.10 or the vision plan which has the sealass sidewalks and so on those other features.
Okay. Thank you. Section six actually has your seaw wall to warranty of at least 18 months. It could be greater. Right. And it um I think there's a condition that talks about um a minimum of 18 months that we did put in there at the city's request.
Okay. It's also on on the I'm sorry. They're one number all of the numbers. One E, you know, twice. Yeah, of at least. It's twice. Yep. We had for the sidewalk sealass inserts, sculptures, benches, non-commercial art, interesting sidewalk paving patterns,
other features along the pedestrian prominade. And correct me if I'm wrong now that you mentioned art. I read somewhere in the packet and you know I think it's getting late and I can't tell you what page but I know I can look through my notes that
there was a limit on an art um feature of 25,000 and I know that number for some reason is in my head that I read it in in our packet in the round correct for the roundabout. Um, a is there an example of an art feature that's 25,000
that we could have an idea of what that is? I'm not sure, you know, what the cost is, but you know, when you see the nice pretty picture, I don't know if that is what a $25,000 feature is and why that number was chosen. You know,
the number that I'm pretty sure it said something like 25. I could bill you that for I don't think that's in the conditions anymore. real quick. I mean, it it's we're open. I don't believe St. Pete Beach has a community art committee. In other jurisdictions,
we will we put a dollar value on it and then we come up with a design and then it goes to the local art committee and we work with them. I mean, we're happy to work however, you know, we want something pretty, you want something pretty, but but yeah, a sculpture like that that that's a value
that we've done something similar to other projects. Okay. Thank you. And I do have one more from the conditions just because and it reminded me too when we were meeting um and we talked about the roofs. Um and I know this is on condition 23 energy and
environmental requirement. All roof areas not otherwise customer spaces would be cool roof materials. And I think I think you might have said that we do all our roofs white but when I looked at the overhead of some of the images they didn't all look white to me.
was and I'm talking about the ones above people's visual, right? Because when you're on the top of the the roofs on the top of the tower aren't what people are looking down towards. I could understand why it's white, let's say, in the the retail shop, the retail roof because your residents are looking down
and it does look better to see a white roof versus something that could be black and ugly eventually. But um when you said that, is it meaning all including the tops of the towers that are white? I mean, yeah, our architect could speak
to this, but typically with the green certifications we get, the white is preferred because it doesn't become a heat island, right? The darker roofs absorb the heat. So, we typically use white. Yes, it is more aesthetically pleasing when you look down. And then also on the higher roofs, it also helps
with energy efficiency. So, typically white is what we use. Okay. No, I'm just want to make sure that it's also on the tower that it is. Okay. I heard a yes somewhere out there. Okay, thank you. It's just on the picture it doesn't show it that way. It I think some the aerial you may be
seeing some of the amenity features. So, some of those are colored in. There's some landscaping on on the podium on top of the parking. So, that may be coming through in in some of the visuals, but but the roof membrane is typically a white tpo, but it's typically white in
color. It's it's nice. I see. I happen to be at the Mo Aquarium. this past weekend and they have white roof. So, um, of course I would like more green with it, but it's it's nice.
Thank you. Any further comments, questions? Commissioner Robinson. I just want to say I I'm very concerned about traffic. So I'm again traffic I' be looking for traffic calming along Gwinds as well Bay Street but that sounds like
something we can talk to to um public works about and seeing what we can do there. Um, but I'm concerned about it not just during construction but afterwards as well because that is that is going to be the other cutoff
street for the development will be Bay Street up to 71st or Bay Street into any of those other ones. Um, so that is kind of a non-negotiable for my neighborhood. um
impact to the sewer as well, infrastructure. Um I like the idea of the um some sort of um shade feature if it it can't be a
tree. Um, but I like palm trees because I know if we see anything that withtood everything la from last year, it was palm trees and sea grapes and um our little um garden over here uh
that uh did very well with sea grapes as well. So that sea grapes are great shade. Yeah, they're great shade. Absolutely. And you can kind of you can form them too. Um, so would like to see what the number is on the park maintenance because I just feel that, you know, it's
not just for it's it's a big plus for your residents, for your development. Um, and also in exchange for what we're giving up on the park uh for the fire
the fire truck pad. And I I would be in agreement that, you know, we need some something to entice people to come down there to think it's their park and more spa more uh boat slips, especially a kayak or a paddle
board launch and ultimately a connection over to Haran. That's huge because that's where the bathrooms are, too. because I didn't see anybody volunteering any bathrooms or talking about bathrooms over at the
park. So, and we have them at every other park that we have unless it's a pocket park and we don't have them there. Yeah, there's just I like the project. I'd like to see something over there. I think um all the
residents that I've talked to are very excited about it, but again, they're not willing to give it up for free. We understand. Okay. We do. So, I mean, that's really the bottom line on that. Um, there's been too much that has been given away for free
and the residents are a lot wiser. I understand. And this commission's probably a lot tougher. And it's going to be, you know, the team's going to have to go back and determine like from a financial viability standpoint. Sure. what what can you do and what can
we not do and come back with a proposal. But we will work very hard for the next two weeks to to do that to get you more actual numbers to try to address as many of your concerns as we possibly can. I I would really like to see you talk to FDOT in regards to changing that turn
lane, getting rid of this turn lane at Mangrove and making so putting an island where that turn is and making mangrove only one way out, not in. I know that they will talk to us without the city. We can do we can do the
mangrove but it would be FDOT do another because it is a huge huge risk there with having some sun sununner on one side as a bus stop every 15 minutes and then that turn lane over there being so shallow.
Understand? and that um you know the bridge being so steep. Commissioner Nikki. Oh, sorry. I forgot to change it. Commissioner Maldo. Yeah, thank you. Um yeah, I would just urge the developer to see this as more than just a business proposal or a
project uh but more as an investment into the community and to the long-term uh wellness of Corey Avenue. So, thank you. Any further comments or questions? Is there a motion? Do we need a motion on the ordinance
first or a motion to continue the resolution first? A motion on the ordinance first? I'll make a motion uh to approve the first reading of ordinance 2025-20 for reallocation of residential density
units. Are we doing this one that just got in my hand? Is this No, this is the allocation of the It is of the residential units. Moving ordinance 2025 with the changes
and strikethroughs to second reading. This is the one that was handed out today. This is handed out today. Got a few changes. Um we could either do it with the changes or not with changes. We haven't had a chance to really I haven't had a chance to look at this.
First reading uh as staff had put in the packet and then we can look at changes at second reading. So we'll give you both at second reading to look at. Yes. Just by way of background, those changes, those original conditions,
procedural conditions about what happens when certain things happen, we took those conditions and we put them into the resolution, which was the appropriate place for them rather than CUP conditions. So that's what we did, Ralph. That's why there are additional whereas clauses. you actually made that recommendation uh during our meeting and
so we incorporated those into the resolution to be clear about here's what's happening here's where the units go if certain things happen. So I just wanted to give you that background as you review them. We typically don't say reallocation, we just say allocation. It's a minor.
You can review them and yeah, you want to move ordinance 202520 to second reading. You can say that we're waiting on a second. Okay, motion fails for lack of a second. We have another motion.
Make the motion to continue the first reading of ordinance 2025-223 November 2025 to November October October 28th 28th will be the next one. Sorry, it's been a late night.
October 28th. I'll second. So, does that mess up the order that we're doing things in, Ralph? Are we on the 20th? You'll have um another first reading of this ordinance. Does it you'll need a second reading after that?
Does it change anything with the notifications since we're doing dates written? Um I think it was already set for second reading on October 22nd. So, it'll just be a first reading instead of second reading. And we'll have to notice the second reading when we figure out what date that's going to be.
Okay. Depending on what happens on the 28th. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call. Vice Mayor Marriott. Yes. Hold on just a moment. Let me make sure
I'm in the right place. Vice Mayor Marriott. Yes. Commissioner Robinson. Yes. Commissioner Rizniki. Yes. Commissioner Maldonado. Yes. Mayor Pato. Yes. Motion carries. Moving to resolution 202523,
conditional use permit. Is there a motion? I'll I'll make a motion to continue to a date um uncertain at this point because we have I don't think we can do this at the same 28th date or do we want to move
that to a move it to the 28th and you may wind up moving it again but at least move it to the 28th as a date certain so we hear both of these 28th right because you'll we'll need to bring back the changes and hopefully have a
clean document ahead of time for you. Okay. So, that would be October 28th 8th. October 28th. Um, make a motion to continue this uh the uh first reading I guess we're at on uh
there's only one reading. I'm sorry of ordinance 2020 resolution resolution sorry resolution 2025-23 conditional use permit number 255069. I second city clerk.
Commissioner Robinson. Yes. Commissioner is Nikki. Yes. Commissioner Maldonado. Yes. Vice Mayor Marriott. Yes. Mayor Petrilla. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you for all the time and the questions.
We'll see you in two weeks. All right. We have nine minutes and one item for discussion. I have a city attorney thing to read as well for discussion before yours. Yep. Yeah. Okay. So, quickly I've handed you a uh talking paper on the enhanced
authorities for the historic preservation board. Uh the background is simple. Uh there was a technical review committee held on 13 August in which uh there was multiple discussions regarding a property in Pasa Grillil where it was
deemed that there was inconsistencies that the historic preservation board um brought to the attention of the city manager during a u information only briefing. So the takeaways are listed for you and basically what I've done is I've gone
through looked at the references within the code of ordinances regarding chapter 22 for boards, committees and commissions, specifically article 7 of the historic preservation board. I highlighted on page two uh an item which
you see that talks about ultimately the city commission having the ability to make uh additions to enhance that. Okay. Okay. Then also moving down to section 22-211 talks about the duties under item 17
which is also highlighted on page three. It talks about performing any reasonable functions or duties relating to the historic preservation assigned to it by the city commission. Okay. At the bottom of that is the uh land development code division three which talks about appeals is outlined in
sections 3.14. What's important here is to note that anyone can initiate an appeal uh whether it be a private citizen or a resident of St. Pete Beach. And what I'm trying to do is basically enhance the authorities
of our historic preservation board by that's okay by uh marrying these two uh conditions together. And I think that we're well within reason. Obviously, our city attorney will be able to comment on if there's any problems with that. And
then lastly, I'd like to have a member of the historic preservation board serve on the technical review committee under article 7 where it talks about uh the city staff who's on there. And basically that comes down to the city manager having the ability to add or distract
people as he or she seems appropriate. Thank you. Okay. Um maybe we can take a couple weeks to review it. Yeah. Yeah. I just since we don't get the opportunity to talk, please take a moment to look at that. Uh I just wanted general direction if
that's something you wanted staff to work on before we I think I'd like to read it first. Yeah. Just let us and then we'll just bring it up as bring it up. Absolutely. Okay. Fair enough. Or we see another hour. So, Madame Clerk, can you add it to items of discussion for the 28th? Thank
you. Thank you. All right. Next, we have uh staff reports. City clerk. I just want to report that the next election for the city will be on Tuesday, March 10th, 2026. The offices on the ballot will include the commissioner for district 1,
commissioner for district 3, and the mayor. Per city code. The candidate qualifying period will open at noon on Monday, November 3rd, 2025, and will close at noon on Friday, November 14th, 2025. Qualifying books will be available beginning Friday, October 24th for those interested in reviewing the necessary paperwork and requirements ahead of the
qualifying period. Thank you, city clerk, city manager. Thank you, mayor, commission. Two quick updates. As far as uh Publix and what their plan is to u redevelop, we still do not have a firm update. We have been
in contact with their public information office and they told us hopefully in a few weeks they'll have some information for us. And then the up and beach renourishment update. Do you have an update? Oh, absolutely. If you don't mind,
at least that's for the record. We represent the owner of the shopping center and we have literally an a cup plan that we have started to review and so um for redevelopment and so you should be some seeing something in the coming weeks once we are able to get
that submitted. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And then um up in beach reourishment. So Gator Dredging began mobilizing uh barges, pipelines and other equipment for the beach reourishment today. Um, this project intends to restore and
protect the shoreline, improve storm resiliency, and enhance the beach experience for residents and visitors. During construction, please use caution and avoid all active work zones, equipment, and any sections of the beach that are temporarily closed for public safety. Access to unaffected areas of
the beach will remain open as work progresses. And they are expecting um to take four weeks to complete. So October 20th through November 12th is the plan depending on weather conditions. Thank you. End of my report.
City attorney. Um the city attorney would like to request that we all meet for a closed executive session um to discuss the Red, White, and Booze LLC versus the city of St. Pete Beach. It's a federal case number 823 CB2704
KKKM AAS on October 28th. that we could come here early at 4:30 p.m. to discuss potential settlement negotiations and strategy sessions relating to the litigation and expenditures. Um the persons who will attend are the
commissioners, the mayor, um attorneys from the VO law firm, myself, Becky Vos, Nancy Stup, Stephanie, and attorneys from Henderson Franklin law firm who are representing the city in this case as well, William Boltric, Brendan Sherman, and Richard Aken. And also there'll be
an official court reporter as provided by law. We don't expect the meeting to last more than an hour which would give you a little break before you start the October 28th 6 p.m. meeting. Thank you. City attorney District 4. Um nothing for the group. Thank you.
District 3. um this Thursday 6:30 Bel Vista Civic Association um meeting and the just to let everyone know the Donsar's 100th uh celebration is sold out so unless we get the grand ballroom
they're at 145 right now so yeah fun thank you uh district two nothing to report and district one uh I just want to thank city staff for the um community meeting about uh town
center 2 um zoning issues that we had last week. I had several residents comment to me that it was the most productive and helpful um community meeting they'd ever attended. So, thank you guys very much. It was it was great and I know everybody's looking forward to future progress on that.
Thank you everyone. We are ajourned.