St. Pete Beach. Today is Tuesday, August 19th, 2025. It is 6:00 p.m. Let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. So, since there seems to be quite a large number of individuals who may not have been here before, I will simply reiterate the rules of the quorum
for tonight to which we will adhere. You will respect the speaker. Whoever whoever is up here, this is their time to speak. If somebody's speaking up here, you are not speaking from the audience. When you're called upon, should you wish to speak, there are yellow cards in the back. You can provide those to the city clerk. You can
state the subject on which you would like to speak. You will have three minutes. When you come up, you will state your full name, your address. There will be no clapping, no booing, no cheering, nothing. There will be no cell phones.
We will adhere to these rules. And if you do not, you're an adult. You can make your own decisions and choices. We will ask the sheriff to escort you out. So all we ask is that you give respect to the individuals that speak so that they can be heard. They took time from
their busy lives to be here tonight. They must have something to say that's very important to them. And I'm going to ask you that you respect that. So, the first item tonight is the approval of the agenda. Mayor, are there any I do need to call roll. Sorry. Go ahead.
Vice Mayor Marriott here. Commissioner Robinson here. Commissioner Rizniki here. Commissioner Maldonado here. And Mayor Patulla here. We have a quorum. The first item that we have is the approval of the agenda. Are there any amendments to the agenda as proposed?
Mayor, I do have some amendments I present for consideration. I'd like to move 6A to the very beginning of the meeting as we have an outside consultant and this is a time-sensitive issue due to escrow requirements. And the second and third amendments
would be to remove consent items E and consent item F. They will be brought back to a future meeting with more detail. Thank you, city manager. Any other amendments? Is there a motion to approve the agenda as amended?
I make the motion. I'll second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call. Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner Rzniki? Yes. Commissioner Maldonado? Yes. Mayor Patula? Yes. Motion carries.
Thank you. First item on the agenda is ordinances 6A. Final reading of ordinance 2025-15 emergency bridge loan.
This is an ordinance of the city of St. P Beach authorizing a loan from the state of Florida Department of Commerce in the principal amount of not exceeding $16 million in order to finance and reimburse operating costs incurred or to be incurred by the city in connection
with hurricanes Hela and Milton. Authorizing the execution and delivery of a loan agreement in connection with such loan. Authorizing the issuance of a promisory note to evidence such loan. delegating certain authority to the mayor, the city manager, and other city
officials to accomplish the foregoing, providing for severability, codification, and scriveners heirs, and providing for an effective date. This is a zero interest loan. Thank you. So, unless there aren't any questions,
we would call for a vote and then um I've respectfully requested the mayor take a short break to actually execute the documents and then we'll come back into regular session. Okay.
Questions, comments. Are there any audience comments on this issue? No. Thank you. Is there a motion? I make the motion to approve. Second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call.
Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner Rzniki? Yes. Commissioner Maldonado? Yes. Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. And Mayor Patulla? Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. We will take a 5m minute recess to 611. Next item is presentations. The first
one is for Gulf Beaches Elementary School. So, as we all know, a lot of our residents suffered significant damage to their homes after uh Excuse me. Fire Chief, thank you. We are at
capacity. For safety reasons, no one else will be allowed in. Thank you. So, a lot of our residents endured significant damage after last year's hurricane, especially Helen with major flooding that included our ele
school, Golf Beaches Elementary. And last Saturday, August 6th, was more than just a reopening of a school building. It was a homecoming of a true community cornerstone here in St. Pete Beach. For months, G Beach's elementary magnet school stood as a reminder of the
difficult challenges that we all faced. But today it stands as a powerful symbol of what's possible when when determination meets unity. Through incredible perseverance, remarkable teamwork, and an outpouring of love and support from families, staff, neighbors,
and community partners, G Beaches Elementary School has once again reopened its doors to welcome students back where they'll belong. The effort was far more than bricks and mortars. was it was about restoring a place where children learn, where they grow, and
where they dream. Last weekend's ribbon cutting was nothing short of inspiring. The air was alive with excitement, the laughter of children, the pride of parents, the relief and joy of the faces of the staff and teachers were able to come back to work.
Every smile told a story of resilience, of hope, and of a community that refuses to be defined by hardship. We're truly honored to make this presentation today as we stand alongside Golf Beaches Elementary as they begin this new chapter. Here's to a bright,
successful, and inspiring school year ahead for every student, teacher, and staff member and to the unshakable spirit of St. Pete Beach. And this is the plaque that they presented us with. So, I wanted to bring this here for
Would you all mind just coming together? We can Yeah. send them a picture of this. Thank you. [Applause] The next item on the list is to be the recognition of the employee of the third
quarter. Thank you, Mayor, City Commission. I am pleased tonight to announce that Jenny Bodkin, deputy city clerk, has been nominated and uh voted employee of the quarter for quarter three. just a few uh
highlights of why she was nominated. Uh we recently had a vacancy of the city clerk and Jenny stepped up and made sure as the acting city clerk that the office was set up for success. She stepped in to take over the clerk's responsibilities while a new clerk was
hired. While balancing all of her own duties, she also published and recorded all city commission meetings, workshops, and community meetings, which we've had quite a few more, as you know, in the last few months. In addition to attending the advisory board meetings, pre and post agenda meetings, full
management meetings, and the strategic leadership meetings, all of which require preparation, and hours of video review for minute taking. Despite her demanding schedule and overflowing plate, Jenny still found time to train a handful of employees on civic clerk and
laser fech, making sure she was always around to answer questions and help when needed. Also participating in our new finance software implementation to attending all the training and making sure that the city clerk's office budget was prepared appropriately for uh
presentation during budget season. Before Clerk Rose started, Jenny made sure that the city had standard operating procedures in place to ensure a smooth transition. She prepared all necessary materials for the new clerk, trained her on the city software programs, and even stayed late to shadow
her during the first city commission meeting to ensure everything went smoothly. She exemplifies dedication, initiative, and excellence. Her leadership and commitment were instrumental to the cons continued success of the clerk's office in the city and St. P Beach is
incredibly lucky lucky to have her. So if Jenny would come up here, we would like to present you with your award. [Applause]
Thank you. [Applause] Next we have item 2C, fire department proclamation for Dolphin Village. This
is a proclamation honoring the St. Pete Beach Fire Rescue for outstanding services and heroism. Whereas on May 13, 2025, a devastating fire broke out at Dolphin Village, posing an immediate and severe threat to lives, property, and the surrounding community. And whereas
the St. Pete Beach Fire Rescue responded with unwavering courage, professionalism, and swift action, arriving on scene and engaging in a difficult and dangerous firefight, dangerous firefighting operation. And whereas despite the intense heat, smoke, and structural
hazard, they demonstrated exceptional coordinance, endurance, and skill working tirelessly to contain the blaze, protect neighboring structures, and endure the safety of residents and and and fellow first responders. And whereas their extraordinary teamwork and
dedication under pressure exemplify the highest standard of service and reflected great credit upon themselves and their department and the city. And whereas the heroic effort not only mitigated further destruction but also reinforced the community's deep trust and appreciation for its fire rescue
personnel. Now therefore be it proclaimed that the mayor and the city commission do hereby recognize and commend the St. Pete Beach Fire Rescue for their outstanding bravery, diligence, and professionalism during the May 13th Dolphin Village Fire and extend heartfelt gratitude for their
steadfast commitment to protecting life and property. [Applause]
This is Chief Basset. He was the incident commander on that call. Good evening. Thank you for having us this evening. I just want to say thank you to the commission, to the mayor, to fire administration. Um it's a very nice recognition that we're getting. I know the men and women that responded to that call very much appreciate it. Uh, a lot
of them are actually on another call right now. So, uh, again, it's a it's a team effort every single time. They work very hard to make sure the community is safe every single day. So, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
[Applause] You know, you should for sure. [Applause] For those of you who don't know, May 13th also happened to be a commission meeting and right afterwards, uh, the
city manager and I went over to take a look. Uh, and you cannot imagine um just what it looked like. It was it's dark. It's 10 11 o'clock at night. commission meeting went very long and it just looked just fire and smoke everywhere
was unbelievable. Um what they did was absolutely incredible. Fire started around 2:33 p.m. It was 11:00 8 hours later were still fighting it and they were still there long after we left. So they deserve absolutely every
praise. Uh they earned it more than earned it. So thank you. Next we have 2D hurricane recovery and preparedness update. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Laura Canary, community
development director. This evening, we're going to go over a quick update as far as it pertains to hurricane recovery in the city and then we're going to transition into preparedness efforts. Myself and the public services director, Camden Mills, are going to be tag teaming this
presentation. So, beginning with the hurricane recovery, we're going to talk briefly about historic designations, permit processing, demos, elevations, FEMA compliance, what public services is doing as it pertains to recovery and preparedness, and then we're going to
talk about training and personnel, Senate Bill 180, and how that impacted our operations and service enhancements. Looking at the snapshot of historic designations, we've had 60 applications submitted through the August 3rd date.
45 of those have been approved and assigned a local historic designation and 12 pending, three withdrawn. far as far as certificates of appropriateness, which just want to mention that this is a step that either a property that's a contributing structure in a historic area or a
designated home will need to go through this process of a certificate of appropriateness prior to demolition. So, we've had 27 of those applications, 23 approved and four are pending. When we look at our permit processing, we've processed 5,118
applications have been submitted. We on on a daily average are issuing about 69 a day. So we've met that goal of 16. Continue to Whose cell phone is that? Please exit the room. Thank you.
So we we'll continue to try and make that continue to uptick, but we're at 69 currently. As far as the inspection goes, we're averaging approximately 83 on a daily basis. those challenges again still the documentation and then also another kind of thing that we're at this phase is just applicants kind of
determining next steps. We'll talk about elevate in a little bit and you know that's a perfect example of just individuals that are just now getting information that's kind of impacting what direction they're going to go in. And then the chart on the right I want to call attention to we have um kind of it captured of the the status that the
permits are in but we to date have 867 that have been closed. So, we're really excited about that and just continuing to move forward and process those. As far as the demos go, we've sheriff, if he comes back inside, do not let him in. That's number two.
We've had 138 demo permit applications, 82 issued and 19 closed. And that does also capture those historic properties as well. Um, I just want to call attention to again, we our average time to issue a demolition permit is 30 days.
Um, so we're right on target with our 30-day time frame. Um, but sometimes that does take longer. And I just want to note that it really comes down to a lot of the documentation and the back and forth that's needed. But in most cases, we are able to meet that 30-day time frame when we have all of the
information necessary. When we look at elevations, we've received 30 elevating structure permit applications to date and we've issued 13 of those. The average time that it's taking to again from the time of submittal to the time of issuance is 32 days on those elevating structure permit
apps. There was a meeting um pertaining to Elevate Florida on July 30th where they provided an update kind of looking at applications statewide. Um, of the 12,000 over 12,000 applications that were submitted, uh, 328 of those
applications were from St. Pete Beach. Moving forward in the process, uh, they basically through the program submitted 305 applicants to move forward to that next step. Um, unfortunately, four of those were applicants from St. Pete Beach. So, as we know, that's a very small number and it's leaving, as you
can see, um quite a number of people that are either going to be on the prioritized, weight listed, or unfunded list. So, out of 12,000, just to make sure you understand the 12,000 applicants, they've approved 350. They've moved them to the next step to
to FEMA to move forward with moving through the process. And they anticipate, now they don't have actual numbers yet, but they anticipate total based on the 400 plus, you know, million that they have that they'll be able to potentially fund 2,000 applications
across the state when this is all said and done. So, there's already discussions as far as how that looks because, as we know, there's going to be a major gap there and there's a lot of individuals that have been waiting on on this information to help them determine which direction they were going to go with their property.
Now, you only said four from St. P Beach though of those that are moving forward four of the 305 are from St. Pete Beach that's good notifications to the prioritized and weight listed applicants began in late July and then the unfunded notifications
were starting to be sent between August 5th and the 15th and we have talked to some individuals already in St. Pete Beach that have started to receive those notifications. When we talk about FEMA compliance um and kind of the next steps in our process, as we know, um you know, goal number one is getting people back in
their homes and getting them back in their homes safely. Um as we talked about, there were still a number of properties that we had had information on that we thought were had damages, right? Whether it was substantially damaged or not. And we had in early April sent out letters to those property
owners. Basically kind of, you know, a kind of try to catch all of please let us know what the status is. If you're if it's on hold, if you're still figuring it out or you're not going to need any work, just just notify us, let us know what's going on. We did receive um you
know, a response with that mail out. Um so now we're at a point where we have about 800 properties left that are kind of in that same kind of category, if you will. So, our next step is going to be to send a detailed letter out to those 800 property owners. And what that's
going to do is just include more specific information exactly what we know that is actual and factual on that property. So, it's again not going to be a perfect science, but it's going to be this is what we know elevation wise, this is what we know wa what we think water intrusion wise, and this is what
we have on your property. So, please again reach out, let us know what the status is. And again, this is just all in essence to be in that compliance with FEMA to show that we're trying to do our due diligence to to be able to address those accordingly. When will that go out? We're hoping that will go out in early
September to mid possible the commission can get a copy of that letter before it goes out, the template. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Now, I'm going to hand it over to Camden to talk about recovery efforts and then I'll be back up in a few minutes.
Thank you, Laura. Good evening, commissioners. Um, for the record, my name is Camden Mills, public services director. Um, like to give a brief update on some of the recovery efforts, uh, related to capital improvements. Um, our facility roof repairs are now underway. Um, as you can
see, city hall just got completed last week and we should have the handrail um, completed tomorrow. um the Warren Webster facility. Um the roof was also recently replaced on that and we just started work on the aquatic center in the Heran Park pavilion um this week and
then the community center uh will be following later this month. Camden and I at the expense of putting you on the spot here. Um was there another time we could have done the aquatic center? I know the pool's being resurfaced now while we're
still in the summer months. Did that have waited a few months or was there a schedule that we're trying to adhere to? We are trying for the roof standpoint, we're just trying to knock them all out as quickly as possible. Um it was it was more advantageous for our contractor to just come in and and do them all
simultaneously. Um so that's how they're proceeding. Um but it did the timing did work out where that resurfacing project was underway. So while the pool is shut down, we wanted to try and take advantage of that. Thank you. Yes, sir. And then to jump into preparedness and
just highlight um some of the efforts that that are going underway right now. Um first off is our generator inspections. Uh so we have backup p power generators at city hall, our three major uh wastewater pump stations as well as three mobile um pump stations
that are housed at our public services yard. Um so these these routine preventative maintenance inspections uh help ensure that these equipment uh will be able to operate efficiently um when needed. We've also rented um some bypass pump. Uh we currently have two um that that we
own and we've rented an additional two. Um these units will be used to help mitigate flooding in some of our low-lying areas and also to help maintain sewer operation um after hurricane events. Uh we plan to um hold on to these rental pumps through our
storm season. And then long term um we'll be looking to to upgrade our um the pumps that we own so we can be able to respond accordingly. And then next is a fuel auxiliary um tank that we've installed on one of our utility vehicles. Um this allows us to
fuel on site for our bypass pumps and our generators um rather than having to take cans back and forth to a gas station. So this just helps us u keep our our equipment fueled more efficiently. And then in long term, we're looking at um soliciting a request for bid uh for a fuel storage tank um on
site so that we'll be able to to fill our vehicles and equipment with. And then next, I'd like to just highlight some of the pre-event preparations um that our team has in our emergency operations plan that would be acted on um three days out, two days out, and then the day before an event.
Um, so when when an event um is approaching and and it looks like it's about 72 hours away from landfall, at that point we'll do um a final review of our emergency management plan with staff just making sure roles and responsibilities are clear. Um we'll drive around to the city and and
identify any potential hazards and risks and then also begin to inventory and stock um all of our equipment and and needs that um we'll be staging for for recovery efforts. Um, we'll secure our wastewater lift stations. Um, continue cleaning storm water catch basins and
then also activate our debris removal contractor to put them on standby. And then most importantly, as as we take care of these events, we encourage our staff to make sure they take care of their own personal needs in anticipation um that they will need to respond after an event. Two days out um we start to remove any
potential hazards from those locations that we identified the previous day. Uh we'll begin to fuel those vehicles and equipment. um that we stockpiled. We'll move some of our tools, equipment to higher ground. Um some of those that that we won't be able to to bring off of the city, we'll move those to higher
ground where we can. We'll alert all of our city contractors um and obtain their their storm procedures and then do one final emptying of our trash recepticles and debris bins um around the city. And then and then importantly here is coordinate um with our outside agencies, Penllis County, the city of St.
Petersburg and Duke Energy um to see what utility impacts um we may foresee. And then the day before the event, that's when we'll relocate um our vehicles and heavy equipment to our off-site emergency operations center. Our wastewater team um is still out in
the field um keeping those stations running and as waterproof for as long as possible. And that's when our coordination really gets heavy with Penllis County to to see, you know, when and if they if they shutting down portable water and and asking us to shut down our sewer. And then finally, u prepare for for after impact reporting
and and setting um the guidelines there. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Laura on some of her preparedness items. Thank you, Camman. So, just a few more items on the preparedness side. Um staff continues to take the ICS training on an individual
basis. We also have had some recent training on 4Erunner. Again, that's the new damage assessment software that and we've also been receiving some in tandem training with the county on that. Um we're going to have an EOC functional exercise on August 21st. That's actually
going to be based on a major wind event per the chief's recommendation to kind of take us through that exercise. So that'll be a great opportunity to kind of see based on our updated plans that we have in place like how it really works at the functional level. As far as personnel goes, we have a request for
proposal that we had issued a couple months back and this evening you have an agenda item to approve um two contracts for community development temporary personnel during emergency and non-emergency periods. This is in essence to replace you. We're currently piggybacking off of a contract. And so
this is in essence again for gray sky g days, but then also potentially in blue sky days. And this is to be able to have on on hand those personnel to be able to tap into on on an asneeded basis. With Senate Bill 180, there were a
number of things that came out of the bill that kind of impacted community development in particular and building and permitting. So I just wanted to go through a few of those. I know everyone's more familiar with um the first one on there which is the prohibition on moratoriums and more restrictive burden amendments or
burdensome amendments to the comp plan and land development regulations. Um hence we have put the comp plan amendment on hold. Um the no impact fees for same use structures. Uh the example that I like to use because I think it's the most kind of simplified if you will
is if you had a home that was built in 1965 that has now been demolished for then you're not going to be at you're not going to be assessed those impact fees again as long as it's a residential structure. Same use going back up. If you're going to build a duplex, you would have the impact fees.
No increases to building permit and inspection fees for 180 days after a declared state of emergency. that's in place and and we had followed that. No cumul cumulative substantial improvement period. That's the look back. We had already removed that um after the storm.
So that we already had that in place and we're in compliance. Communicating posttorm permitting and inspection procedures. This is really just all about transparency whether it's the FEMA packet or a checklist, anything, just making that readily available and on the
website. Um, we are in compliance to date with the exception of when we make some these final changes and have the SDAP plan adopted. We'll need to get that is not currently on the website because we have not had that adopted yet. The minimum of 40hour permitting
operations post storm. Um, the way that the the the bill reads is um very kind of open-ended as far as when feasibly possible kind of. So basically what it's saying is that in the event after a storm that is as as soon as possible you'll be back up and running and
operating for 40 40 hours a week. Now that does not necessarily mean that you'll be able to walk into city hall and obtain your permit that we'll have operations going and in checking with the team we were pretty much already like adhering to this even this this last event events. So, um, we'll just
continue to do that and with the new software and tools that we have and technology, we feel very confident that if we were ever in the situation again, we'd be able to get back to that 40 hours fairly quickly. And then again, applicable changes that have been
incorporated. Um, so along these lines, we did have to make a few tweaks and changes to the SDAP. we've incorporated um kind of this phase that we're talking about as far as the FEMA compliance into our SDAP as well as the 40-hour continued operations as soon as possibly
feasible. So, those are the things that will be kind of noted in in the draft that you all see before um in the near future. SDAP stands for substantial damage assessment plan. Thank you, Laura. Question on um on the no impact
fee for same structure use. um if a pro if a property dem a residential let's just say demolishes their property but then they also split because I've seen some lots split um and it's the same use so each splitted lot now is a residential there's no impact fee if
they're adding another of same use if there's an addition there would be whatever the the difference is if an additional home right so that additional home would so yeah at least half so half of it wouldn't have an impact fee But the other would
I will confirm that but that is my understanding that you would be subject to just on the second one new home. Okay. Or the additional home and I I can confirm and get that back to you. Thank you. Um with regard to just department operations um we've been partnering with
the business analysts and IT to just kind of help us um really from an operational standpoint. As you all know, we've had an influx of just um permit processing calls, questions, and so we've made some system upgrades and have changed a few things operational wise. And so, we feel that we're in a really
good point as far as if you call to have and you have a permitting question, you should either get your call answered or get a call back within a few hours at the at the latest. Um so, we're really pleased with that and thankful for our partnership with it and that they've been helping us come up with some creative solutions. Um, and then there's
also the new kiosk in the city hall lobby and that's a customer satisfaction survey. That was something that was added. Again, we get a lot of feedback. You guys get a lot of feedback. This was just one way that people we can have that twopoint communication and that touch point to really see how we're
doing and hopefully future in the future improve our operations. Um, the customer satisfaction survey, we pull these on a weekly basis. It just basically says how is your how how is your service good or bad? and then you can add additional information if you'd like. So, we intend
to again just kind of continue checking in on this and seeing how we can further improve. But I would be remiss if I didn't take the moment to just thank the team and and the community development and permitting team in particular because I know that, you know, they've been really inundated the last almost 11 months. And so, I'm just I just want to
say thank you to them and thank you for them being so adaptable during these times and making changes so quickly and and just being nimble. And with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. I have a question for you. Commissioner Rzniki,
um, you mentioned that one of the pro one of the issues that they've noticed was that there's um a delay because of of the applicant, right? That they're they're missing documents or whatever may be and and that's what's delaying the permitting. Is there something that
we're doing to help in that process? Are we trying to streamline somehow? um whether you want to call it like a checklist like that you're you're doing this type of remodel or addition or elevation, these are the things that we need um in order to move forward. So to
try to because I've gotten I've received some calls and people upset you know that um now it's on hold again because they asked me for something else. Gentlemen, very nicely we asked you to please respect the speaker so that we can hear.
when you speak, you're all facing this way. So, we cannot hear each other or the person speaking here. Thank you. So, to answer your question, we have not quite gotten to a point where we're actively proactively reaching out to those individuals. It's something that we've talked extensively about
internally and with leadership as far as how that looks and but at this point, frankly, we're just we're re as we get questions, we're fielding them and then responding accordingly. But ideally, especially after this round of the letters going out, what our intention is is to basically go in chronological
order backwards, you know, and basically start from the oldest outstanding open permit and work our and just as a courtesy call reach out and just say and and potentially even um tap into our volunteers to that's something that we've talked to them about with assisting us with that process, but we
just haven't gotten to that point yet. Commissioner Marriott. Um, yeah, thank you, Laura. Um, I wanted to say that I have heard um really good things about the uh building inspecting team. Um, so I just wanted to pass that along. I know you guys hear all about it
when people are upset, but I did want to say that there's uh I've heard from a number of people who have said that, man, once I got my permit and I got to the point where I was having inspections done, everything has just been very smooth and the inspectors are fantastic. So, so thank you for that. Um, and then along with uh Commissioner Rzniki's
question, um, I think at one point there was some some conversation about having like a a a one-page form so that people who are either going to be trying to get a demo permit or a or a new construction permit would have kind of a a sheet of
exactly what is required because I think that even from some of the contractors who are working in St. P Beach and also working in Treasure Island and neighboring communities, I keep hearing that they say, "Well, you know, I I got a permit easy here, but then when I came to St. Pete Beach, they
wanted different information, and I didn't know what they were going to want." And so, have we made any progress towards having kind of a a a spot on the website or a one-page sheet so that when somebody comes in for a demo permit, they know exactly what needs to be done in what order and what information they're going to need to provide. Yes,
we have we have both the demo and elevation checklist as well as a a third um list of typical inspections. A little bit different, but those typical inspections, all three of those are in draft form and and frankly just a little bit too technical right now at the point
where we're just massaging them before we can put them out there. And then the last thing that's going to take just a little bit longer because we obviously also for this one um you know legal needs to be involved is the private provider checklist as well in information because that's another one that has been coming up more and more
and especially more recently we're hearing a lot more about that. So I would say that you should probably see the demo and elevation one in the next week or so up and available. We're that close, but the other ones are going to be a little bit further out. Okay. Thank you,
Commissioner Robinson. I had a question in regards to the process for updating for the Penalis County Property Appraisers Office for our permits. Um, how often are we doing that and what is the process for that? I just see and have been told that there's permits uh
that have been cancelled and or uh you know resubmitted for lower fees, but when you go on the property uh appraisers website uh they're still showing as being open or active or they're you know not being cancelled. um just concerned about that from a
property valuation standpoint um and taxes. So um what is the process and how often does that get updated? So, it's a really good question and kind of uh something that had came up that we had a concern and so we kind of talked
about it with staff um because I needed to understand the process and so currently the process is is on the first of the month we send over a batch from the previous month to the property appraisers's office and that's how it's it's been. Um that batch that we send
over is basically our intake. It's all of the permit applications that we receive. And so as you can imagine um on an application you might have a valuation for a project once you submit it and then maybe the next day or something something could be tweaked or
changed. And so the amount that gets transferred over per for the valuation on it is what whatever that date of on the first is associated with that permit. Whatever the valuation is on the first that's the valuation that will get sent over with that permit. One of the
issues is is that it doesn't account for closed abandoned none of that canled any of that. And in a lot of instances, the valuation doesn't match what is what is actually on the permit. So, one of the things that we've talked about, again,
we've always done it that this way. That doesn't mean we need to continue doing it this way. So, one of the things that we've talked about and that we're going to continue talking with our our contact at the property appraisers's office that receives this information is when we pull the report, we're basically again looking at a date range and we're
pulling that by intake. A suggestion that we we've come up with is is pulling either one of two things. Either uh we suggest closed. Again, there will be a little bit more of a delay by the time it's reflected on the property card, but we feel that at the point of a closed
permit, you're you're much closer. You should be on exactly for what the valuation of that permit is, whether it changed or not throughout the process. So, that's going to be our recommendation because we think that at least then we'd get a more accurate reflection on the property apprais.
Um, the other thing that I think is worth noting is that because this was um, again I I I needed to kind of wrap my head around it. As far as those permit estim those estimated permit valuations, those do not impact the structure valuation or the assessed value. None of that impacts any of the
valuation of the property. Okay. And it's kind of a full circle back to from that to um, SP 180 because I'm I'm hearing there's a 2025 FEMA letter now. Have you heard? I saw it today. Yes. And I'm hearing that that is I'm
waiting for the gas. Roughly 50% less than what you're currently at on your 50. So if your home was valued at 200,000 and your 50% FEMA is 100 as of 2024, the new FEMA letter is now showing
that at 50. It's huge. Yeah. So, just want to absorb that in. I heard that today, too, and I haven't seen it yet, but and again, it's all the state
of Florida is my understanding as well that there's FEMA letters for everybody in the state of Florida. Well, in in speaking with the building official, we know that at one point when it was brought up, the the question was posed as far as if people were getting a private appraisal, you know, as far as
to to look at their SD that determination that um that was, you know, the question was will that ever be captured or carried over into the property appraisal? And the answer was no at that time. Um when we saw today, and you're you're spot on, it was about 50%. um they have it bolded, you know,
that it's kind of if you're looking at for for to do permitted work based on, you know, the events that happened, use the 2024, you know, to reflect back to that. Um but it's I believe going to cause a lot of confusion and we have a lot of concern about that. The only I
think good thing that we have going for us here at the in our community is that when you link when you link to that permit, you it takes you back to St. Pete Beach and going back to the the 50% and all of that, we use that letter. We use that as a guide and we collect the
appraisal, but we're handling all of that at the municipal level. So, that's I think the only thing that we may have at least somewhat more of that, you know, at least to be able to strategize and address that because it's going to cause so much confusion. And I think though as long as we know that those
valuations start and end with us and then we also, you know, I think that that might and then of course we're going to have to have I mean it was like these letters just kind of showed up on the you know and and so I think we're going to have to have continued conversations and how that looks and be able to communicate that appropriately
to the community because there were many people that never even knew the letter was on. It was hard enough the first time, right? Um, and then you have again any open permits and then going into an event in 2025. I mean, there's a lot that could happen with that. So, um, I
just don't know if people are aware and I just want to make everybody aware for that as well that there's a new FEMA letter out there and it's half of what you thought your value was before. that to say is that for homes that were reassessed because they were damaged and the value
was reduced based on the new damage or what is that where is that coming from? My again I just saw it today for the first time but my understanding the way that you read it is that it's the it's the 20 2025 assessment. So they're basing it on the condition of the home
as they see it. So, if there was no damage to your home, then you will not receive a new assessed female letter. I I believe they're sending out new letters to everybody. Okay. So, maybe this will is that going to reduce the tax basis?
Yes. Okay. So, there is that. Okay. And then the last question is so even if your new assessed value is let's say it's at 50 $50,000 now you can still get an
appraisal for fair market value at pretorm condition. Correct. Yes. And that's exactly what I asked the building official what we would do in an instance for someone that maybe hadn't started anything yet. You know that they were going to go based on the old letter
appraisal. Yes, we have that as an option. It adds a lot of confusion to what's already was confusing to begin with. So, Commissioner Maldonado. So, uh I just trying to speculate here
and think then what is the incentive for people to reply to the notification from the FE FEMA compliance letter that's been sent out? What if they don't reply and say I'm not replying? How is that going to impact that now knowing that their properties
could be looked at differently? So, we still with the NE we'll call it the enforcement phase, if you will. That's the phase that we haven't really entered into really yet. And so, some of the things that we've discussed as far as um what's you know what we've looked at is, you know, there's a lot of
assumptions that can be made. You know, there so there's kind of two things. There's the reactive, you know, someone calling in. I know that, you know, the house next door, no one's been back. It's vacant. It's uninhabitable and it's, you know, in the pool and blah blah. Um, that's something that we can
respond to through code enforcement. Where it get where it's going to be a little bit more tricky is for, you know, from maybe the exterior things look fine, yet we know that there was extensive or we think we know based on the data that we have that there was extensive damage and we know no permit has been pulled. At that point, some of
the things that we're talking to and working with legal on and and the team is okay, how does that look? because again it's not really a stop work order. You haven't maybe necessarily started work. So there's there's some kind of options that we're considering as far as um just the the way that our code is
written. It does give um a lot of flexibility as it pertains to public safety and just well-being. And so that can be anything from that you can make the assumption that there's mold growing and that can be considered you know an unsafe you know structure if you will
and then we would need to tag the property and then start the enforcement process. But we we really want to again our goal is just compliance. So, we've been really trying to just first um try this and and do this next round of letters with more specific information thinking that it might get people's
attention maybe if it didn't the last time kind of saying because it was really kind of uh broad the first letter, you know, kind of a try to catch all but this is showing that okay, this is what we know and I mean even if it gets us another couple hundred then it it'll kind of then it'll give us a
little bit less because it's those last properties that we know are going to um from an enforcement standpoint are going to be a little bit trickier. Thank you. Thank you, Laura. City clerk, per chance, do we have any general audience comments?
Yes. Okay. Elizabeth Ventura, if you'll please state your name and address for the record. Elizabeth Ventura, 52372nd Avenue. I'm sorry, which city is that? St. Pete Beach.
Thank you. Um, first I would like to ask for some clarification about the proposed noise ordinance, which I'm sure everybody is mostly here for. um I don't fully understand it and um as somebody who's a
resident and a hospitality worker, we would love some clarification on that. Um and then secondly, uh based on what I've heard, it would be I would like to give a little bit of background as both again a resident and a hospitality
worker and what that would mean for me personally and professionally. I live a block away from Toasted Monkey and I was at Woodies for last call the afternoon of Helen. We literally helped them close their storm shutters. This past year has not been good. Every time
I look out of my second story porch, the flashbacks of watching the water level rise to the window sill of my neighbors apartments brings me back to that night as we took shelter in my studio in disbelief. I'll never forget the looks on my neighbors faces as they started to realize they were about to lose
everything. Then a couple of months ago, I opened my windows and heard live music flowing in from Toasted Monkey. I started welling up because it felt like home for the first time in a long time. This isn't bass t thumping techno, it's third eye blind and pearl jam.
As an added layer, I also work in hospitality as a restaurant manager. Although I currently work in Readington Beach, I have previously worked at two different hotels on St. Pete Beach. In my time working on the beaches, I have met some of the most amazing hospitality workers who love what they do.
If what the proposed or uh change to the no noise ordinance is out there is going to happen, this will definitely affect these hospitality workers to make a decent living. Wait staff will lose out on tips as vacationers start moving to Treasure
Island and Clearwater Beach to get their live music fix. I truly hope an agreement can be made because I love this place I've called home for the last three years. These workers were out of jobs for months and were still first in line to volunteer in the aftermath.
As a petition that I signed as I have signed will show you, there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way as me. Thank you. It was horrible, wasn't it? [Applause] So before we keep going, because I
assume there may be a few of you in this along the same vein here, um I would like to ask if you don't if you're not opposed to this, Commissioner Marriott, uh you were here at the last commission meeting and at the town hall, um just kind of help everyone understand how the
commission is trying to shut down live music. I'm sorry. What's that? What are are you explain what what what are you asking me? Well, she's very concerned that we're going to shut down live music. Is that
an accurate assessment? Yes. Okay. How many of you here are concerned we're going to shut down live music? Too early. Too early. Okay. Hold on. That's all right. Hold on. So based on the audience here and
based on what I've been reading online, it seems that the consensus and the understanding is and from what the media is saying is that we're going to shut down live music at 7 p.m. And so you were here, the rest of you are all here. I think we should explain
to everyone how that is, how we're going to shut it down at 7 p.m. or if that's not accurate. I heard. So, so if you're asking me what my understanding from our last commission meeting was, my understanding from the last commission meeting was that staff
presented us with a direction they were considering going before they before they present to us uh another stab at a revised noise ordinance. Mhm. And in that staff presentation, it included the words uh something like
five dB over background noise from 7:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. My my belief is that many people heard that 7:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. including lots of news outlets and and assumed
that that we were considering or voting on or passing an ordinance that included that language, which we have not yet been presented with. Did we even discuss shutting down music at 7 p.m.? No. I believe in that last commission meeting after the staff presentation, my
comment was 7 p.m. seems a little early, but we'll see what everybody has to say about it. and uh uh and that was that was the extent of the discussion at that time. Okay. Any other commissioners? Do you remember twice we actually asked about live
music. Do you remember what the conversation was? Yeah. I'll make it easy. I brought transcripts from the meeting where we discussed the noise ordinance. We'll pass one down to the city clerk as
well. Is this all of our imagination then? Well, we want to make sure we're all on the same page. Okay. So, we order, please. You will not speak out of turn. When it's your turn, you can come up and
speak. Okay. Okay. So on page two, the bottom second paragraph in the bottom where Brandon Barry speaks, we had a question about conditional use permits. A conditional use permit is if you want to have amplified music, live music, anything like that, you have to
come before the commission. You have to get a vote and then once you have that, once you have that conditional use permit, you can then have live music at your establishment play amplified music. So Brandon Barry said it exempts those
uses that are subject to a conditional use permit which includes live music. So even if the proposed ordinance, which right now we don't have a proposed ordinance, we had a conversation about the proposed ordinance based on the meeting that we had in January with all
of you here based on the openhouse uh meeting that we had in April. Based on those feedback that we received from the community, the staff came back with a new proposal in cooperation with the city's attorney's office. So, one of those things says
what the city staff said. So, if somebody wouldn't mind reading the bottom paragraph, Mayor Petrilla, I asked a question. Would you mind stating what I asked? Commissioner Maldonado, maybe. Page two, last paragraph.
There also I mean there are certain events that don't require cups. So for example, you know, if they're having a block party, right? Or if we're doing the summer concert series here in Haron Park. So what there would be exemptions for
that? I could see a situation where the neighbors across you know Bocaago Bay it's going to be more than five dB from where they are and start at seven right and so there would be a special so as part of the issuing permit for the event
it would also have an exemption to this particular item to which Brandon Barry our city planner responded yes and we've written we're writing those into the conditional use permits so again if there's a live music event There's a special event at Haran Park.
If the proposed ordinance, as it was written, were to be presented, they would not be impacted. How many of you here from Corey Avenue businesses? Okay. So, I specifically asked about you
as well, right? So, I'm saying if So, I'm reading this transcript here, right? I'm saying is some of these would not be a CUP. So, if it's not a conditional use permit, but rather the Corey Avenue Business Association decided they wanted to have a block party or a special event like you do at the Sunday market where
there is live music. The last time I was here, there was actually two different sets of live music. It was awesome. Right. So, for those street permit closures, live music, right? Would there be a permit required for those? would there would this ordinance impact them?
And then the same thing from the city planner. If you had a permit like that for live music, regardless of 7 p.m., right, it says that that would be written into the permit that you would be exempt from that.
Okay? So, I just want to make sure that we all you will be called in the order that you were presented, right? I just want to make sure that you understand what the conversation was at the last meeting because what we had was a conversation based on the feedback that
we've received from everybody in the community at the previous two meetings on the noise ordinance and this is why we had a presentation a third time rather than bringing ordinance to you so that we can have a conversation about it again and so for that I thank you for
all being here to help us further this conversation. So, do we have any other audience comments? I mean, really, ma'am, ma'am, it is not your turn to speak. Have to fill out a card.
No, sir. You will be called in the order that the cards were received. Deborah Ritter, if you would like to speak, as I stated in the very beginning, there are yellow cards in the back. If you put down your name and then which subject you would like to speak on, and then you will be
called in the order that the cards were received. You will have three minutes uninterrupted to speak on whichever subject you would like. Please state your name and address for the record. Hi, my name is Deborah Lynn Ritter, 7500 Bokea Siega Drive, St. Pete Beach, Florida. Good evening, commissioners,
madame vice mayor, and mayor Petrilla. As a full-time St. Pete Beach resident, I understand the noise order ordinance can be a prickly subject to discuss. So, I truly thank you for allowing us to speak. As it stands now, my hope is that it remains as is and that no changes are
made to it. Music that follows the rules is a big part of the St. Pete Beach lifestyle and landscape. While unfortunately there are some bad apples that don't adhere to the noise rules, hopefully they can be dressed on a personal level one-on-one and those
establishments that follows the correct times can carry on as they have in the past. Okay. Um I submit a change.org org petition I began on August 7th, 2025 that as of printing has 5,768
signatures. I just hope that we keep it as is. Uh we've been through so much with the two hurricanes and I've had so many uh musicians, restaurant owners, bar owners reach out to me and they just really want to keep things the way they are and
let let's get through hurricane season and take care of the bad apples that are that are hurting the ones that are following the rules. So I thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. Thank you, Deborah. Again, I will remind you, no cheering, no
clapping, no booing. If you want, we can clear the room and then let you in one at a time to speak. It's up to you. I would prefer for everyone to be here and hear what you all have to say. So again, I'm going to ask you to respect each other and let the speaker speak and so we can get through everybody. City clerk
Seth Campbell. Seth Campbell. Excuse me. Come up here. If you'll please step forward to the podium. If you'll state your name and address for the record. Good evening. It's Seth Campbell.
Address is for 605th Avenue North St. Pete. I did bring some handouts for you if that's all right to hand out real quick. As long as you have seven. It's as long as you have seven. Thank you. Seth, your clock is running. So,
thanks. Put it on. Put it on the overhead. Thank you. Maybe I should have done a paper airplane. I also brought a decibel reader to show people what we're talking about. Some people don't know what that is.
All right. Here I am. Hurry. So, if you watch if you pay attention while I talk and keep in mind this is just me talking. This is me speaking away from speaker, right? So, this is normal conversation. talking
about 90. Excuse me, Seth. If you do not speak into the microphone, then we can So anyway, as I demonstrated, it goes about 70 to 90 just from me talking right here. So the closer you are to the decibel readers, the louder it's going to be. Um,
so I wanted to go over this. Just keep that in mind while I'm talking. But um the estimated annual annual annual estimated annual sales tax revenue loss at the music is is banned after 7 p.m. I know it's not banned but you know um
total food and drink sales in Penelis County is about 3.6 billion. Um so that'd be lost revenue for a lot of businesses here. I know that's not promising for investors, business owners. Estimated revenue loss due to a ban on music after 7 p.m. is
9.4. 4% and that's based on regional and national level. It's actually going to wildly differ depending on the business and if they're based around life music. On St. Pete Beach, there were some numbers that were 55% um some range between 30 to 77. Just for a very
conservative number, I put 9.4 um sales tax loss of Penelis County. I know last time I spoke here, Penllis County, I'm sorry, at St. beach. You said most of the tax that tax revenue isn't seen by the city, but I was wondering if if the county is impacted
by that at all by lost tax revenue, if that's going going to be a problem since sheriffs are here enforcing um the sound ordinance and things like that. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Seth. [Music] All right, we're going to take a
10-minute recess. Maybe if you can come back, we can continue this. I really would prefer to continue this uninterrupted. Thank you. back in session. And before we continue, commissioners, I have a uh I want to put something to
you. Uh and I would I would propose that we allow the democratic process to kind of help us determine how we go forward. Tonight I would like to put it to the audience by a vote of raise of hands if they prefer to continue with the audience comments as it is right now
under the current rules which is to say you come you speak you remain uninterrupted no clapping no cheering no cheering. Um or because we do have to complete all the city business that we have on the agenda today as well. Or if we move if they prefer we can move the
audience comments to the end. We've got only a handful of items left to discuss tonight and we will adopt a more relaxed stance to allow you some expression. So for those of you who pro again commissioners, are you all in
favor with this proposal to take a vote first for them to allow us to tell us? They're either going to proceed as before but remain quiet so we don't have to keep interrupting or if they want to you know have a little bit of clapping or a little bit of expression and we can move
the audience comments to the end and we will have a more relaxed decorum. Mayor would you like me to read the current rules of decorum so that everybody knows these are the rules of decorum adopted by resolution 2022-13.
It shall be prohibited for any person to disturb or interrupt any meeting or otherwise fail to comport with these rules and procedures. The use of obscene or profane language, physical violence or the threat thereof, or other loud and boisterous behavior is prohibited.
Clapping, applauding, heckling, and verbal outburst in support or opposition to a speaker or his or her remarks is prohibited. The presiding chair shall be responsible for ensuring decorum at the meeting. A failure to comply with any lawful of decision of the chair shall
constitute a disturbance and that shirt person shall be declared out of order and she shall relinquish he or she shall relinquish the podium immediately. If the person does not do so, he is subject to removal and trespass from the commission chambers and the location of
the said meeting. So my proposal is that we let them decide if they want to continue under the current rules. you will all abide by them. Um, or if we want to move the audience comments to the last item for tonight and we can take a more relaxed approach. C
could I just add to that the audience understands that if you move it to the end before you if you're going to take a vote, we can't guarantee what time that will be. Okay. So, and I'm just going to be honest because you I mean I don't think this is a heavy agenda, but I've we've thought that before. So, just keep
that in mind. Um, so commissioners, are you I'm okay. Are you okay with giving that opportunity? I'm fine with that. Okay. So, just by a raise of hands, how many of you prefer option one? Could we please Option one is we
continue under the current rules of the quorum. All right. So, we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. I mean, that's really basically everybody. Who's here for for number two? Okay. So, just so that we make sure we
you all agreed to abide by the rules of the quorum that the city attorney just read, you also heard the consequences. I do not want to have to do that. Please don't make me do that. I really would prefer for all of you to have to say your peace. I love that you're all here. I want to hear from every single one of
you and I think you should all respect each other and let everybody speak and have their three minutes of uninterrupted. So, thank you. City clerk. Next person, please. Jeffrey Caputo. Please state your name and address for the record.
Good evening. Jeff Caputo, 460449th Street, North Kenneth City. Good evening. Uh, I'm reaching out to attorneys and news stations with a critical story about noise ordinance 2025-05,
if that's still the number. It threatens to silence or severely limit, not ban, evening live music. It would gut our tourism economy. My public records request exposed the city's delayed, incomplete response at odds with
Florida's transparency laws. The full packet at archive.org reveals no evidence and a deficient business impact estimate. Attorneys challenging this ordinance or media seeking a transparency scoop, contact me at
Florida Republicgmail.com. This ordinance claims to protect residents but risks our economy and lacks transparency. Limiting I didn't say ban, limiting evening live music in any way could cut restaurant and bar revenues up to 25%.
This is what that 7 p.m. standard on a sliding scale. Maybe there could be in the business impact estimate some type of sensitivity analysis of some sort perhaps. But uh with the 7 p.m. standard crunching the numbers, it could limit revenues up to 25% 20 million annually
in St. Pete Beach costing 1.4 million in local taxes, 13 million countywide. In March, peak season losses could hit 6 million. Jobs for servers, bartenders, and musicians are at risk, while tourists may flock to Golfport, leaving us poorer. The ordinance claims noise
causes health issues and lowers property values. My records request found zero county health data. That's the ICD codes with health issues that are normally associated with noise pollution. No record from the Florida Department of Health on that. Um, no analysis, a
hyonic analysis tying noise to property declines as in the preamble, the warehouse, this and that. That's why we have to pass this ordinance. Nothing in there. These baseless claims don't justify the ordinance. The Florida statutory required business impact estimate is vague, citing only 39 bars,
ignoring restaurants and hotels with no cost or risk analysis, failing that good faith standard that's actually written in the statute 166.041 sub paragraph 4, I believe. Uh, my February records request got a delayed
21 business day response, which is at odds with the promptness rules in public records. The city only replied after my fault and default notices shows bad faith. They didn't provide a tally sheet for missing records, further breaching statutory good faith standards. My April
mediation request to the city and attorney general's office went unanswered, dodging accountability. So, this ordinance threatens St. Beach's uh St. Pete Beach's vibrancy and cultural heritage without evidence. I urge residents, uh, businesses and media to
demand missing records, a proper business impact estimate, and a rethink of this ordinance at the next hearing. I' I'd love to see some outreach to some businesses. I'd like to see some more math in that business impact estimate. I'd like to see some crunching. It'd be great to see some numbers, not not
words. Thank you, Vincent Tormenia. If you please state your name and address for the record. Somebody mentioned that y'all can't hear me. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Vincent Armenian 3514 Kazablano Avenue.
I'm here to find out and this addresses the city attorney and the rest of you. if you are in that HB1 180 lawsuit and the lawsuit uh also for that Pasco County is going against Penllis County for the water.
What's all the stuff that's in the water? That's what I came to ask if you guys are in those uh or thinking about going into those lawsuits. Mr. Terminia, we have not had a discussion about this item, but if you would like to send uh just send me an
email to the city and then I will provide any followup and additional details on it. I know that there's several cities involved in that lawsuit. I know we briefly broached the subject just to say that it is happening at the last commission meeting, but the commission has not taken any action on that yet.
Okay. And but what about the water one too? You haven't heard about that one? No, sir. Okay. I'll send it to you and that's it. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming up. Mia Hartley. If you please state your name and address for the record.
Yes. Good evening everyone. My name is Mia Hartley. I reside at 680 71st Avenue, St. Pete Beach, Florida. Um, first things first, I want to address something that I think there's confusion surrounding. Um, I know that I've been
referencing the meeting from last month and the PowerPoint that was presented at that time that talked about this 7:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. time frame. Um, in speaking with some of the commissioners, it sounds like that time frame wasn't truly considered by the commission at
all. It was just a number pulled out of thin air by city staff. And I think for anyone who is here earlier in the year, we remember how frustrating it is when numbers are just being thrown into these powerpoints or into the meetings or the first readings of these ordinances
because it's it feels like, not to overuse this term, I know millennials and Jenzers know it, but I feel a little gaslit here because I show up with this anger and then I'm told or this frustration rather, but then I'm told that I'm misunderstanding.
There's miscommunication, but I'm reading black and white and I'm hearing city staff saying that they're pulling numbers out of thin air. There's a reason to be upset. So, when we come in here and we're talked down, the first audience comment happens and then we
have a five-minute lecture about how we don't understand. I'm very frustrated. Don't put language in anything that's not being seriously considered. That blows my mind.
So to look at all of us and think that we're being outrageous and I think it comes from a feminine place too of like being told as a woman because you get upset about something that you need to go take your mind at all. It might be a little bit of that too for me.
I feel so gaslit by this commission and the city staff in throwing numbers that you haven't seriously considered. And I understand it didn't get to you guys yet. I get it. But it was presented to you. So, it's serious. It just if it blows my mind.
I've lived here my whole life. I love St. Pete Beach. I'm a musician on the beach. I see issues all the time with this city that need to be considered. 71st Avenue, I couldn't even drive down the street for four weeks because there was a massive bubble in the road. Asphalt just
mounting. And every day I thought, when is this water line finally going to burst and this road's just going to explode? That matters. I couldn't drive to my boyfriend's house last week because my road was so flooded. It was a river. I couldn't get anywhere. The Stewart drains need to be cleaned. What are we
doing talking about this noise ordinance and throwing numbers that haven't been thought about? It blows my mind. I didn't script any of this. I'm just kind of over it. So, I just wanted to speak my piece about that. Stop throwing numbers out there if you don't mean it. May I'd like to ask you a question if
you're not opposed to answering it. Okay. So, the last time in January when everybody was here, there was discontent about us bringing something for first reading without a committee discussion. Then we had community discussion. So, sunshine law prohibits all of us from
talking about anything that might come before the commission. So, the only time we can have any discussions with us or with the staff is in a commission meeting. So, we had a conversation about the noise ordinance and what the staff proposed at the last meeting pending community input which we are
receiving. So, just look, you all came last time. We made adjustments. We had a town hall. We made more adjustments. So, I'm asking you from your standpoint. How would you like us to present this? Because we can't talk about it via email
or the city manager can't like tell me. And then, by the way, I'm also going to tell this commission. No, it has to be on the public forum. Everything has to be transparent in front of everybody else. So, how should we have these conversations? Right. I think I I appreciate that. I understand that in
in the decorum of transparency. I was at all these meetings. I was at this city town hall meeting. I thought we were kind of coming to some sort of reasonable compromise. 7:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. shocked
me. that did not reflect in any way what I thought was discussed at the meetings which I I I speak for myself only but I think we should just enforce old ordinance. I mean Duneden does it. Dun Eden's a great example. I don't know if anyone's actually called Dun Eden yet. I'll do it pro bono.
But I think we should call some of these cities. I understand Naples was the town that was presented in the PowerPoint. But we're nothing like Naples. We're like Dun Eden which is just up the road who dealt with these these issues a couple years ago. I think I understand there's transparency and there's you guys can't communicate about it, but the
fact that that's what our city staff grasped from the city workshop that happened is astounding to me. Okay. But again, we're trying to move forward and make better decisions here, right? So, right, how should we have like what would have made you happier at the last meeting?
How should the staff have presented it to us to to be a better presentation? I think when we talk about numbers, I don't in particular recall any conversations about wanting to have
special permits or noise have to lower before sunset at all in the city workshop. So maybe to city staff, I don't know who the particular person is. This isn't a personal attack, but maybe just read your notes a couple more times before presenting these numbers and
powerpoints that then you all get to see for the first time and we get to see for the first time that don't reflect any of the public comments that were being made in the workshop. So maybe just review the notes a couple more times. Okay, that's fair. Thank you.
Next person, Larry Levine. you please state your name and address for the record. Larry Levine, 4217 Holland Drive, St. Pete Beach. What I want to say is we moved here. We started coming here and
staying at the Bonire in the year 2000. We bought here in 208 in Bellista, right across the street from the Bonire. We love St. Pete Beach, but what we love about it is the nightife, the restaurants. It looks like Gaza right
now. my neighborhood, Bella Vista, 60% of the homes are demolished or vacant or they're getting bulldozed. We're going to lift ours 10 months on the permit. Just that just throwing that out. But anyway, what I want all these people
here love the music, they love the food, they love St. Pete Beach, they love the entertainment, right? How many people are against Excuse me, sir. Larry. Larry, please address the commission. that. Okay. Because I wanted to see you
asked. So anyway, the chair, all I'm saying is is what we have here is we got workers, we got music, we got waiters, we got cooks, we got all this. We don't even have a beach anymore. We're missing the postcard in, we're
missing the uh beach comr next to it with Jimmy Bees. That's one of the reasons we love it here. Uh the water cross, we don't even have a grocery store right now. That's gone. The hotel across from that's gone. This place is a disaster. Don't take away our fund. I
don't understand it. What's the point? How many people complained? And you know, is it really the two people that are complaining about the 600 books that might have something in it? I mean, is it the same thing here that two people complain and now we got, you know, 200
people that are going to lose their jobs? We're going to lose a lot of money and we're going to lose a lot of fun. And we're not having much fun in this country right now anyway. So let us have some fun. Okay. Thank Thank you, Larry. Christopher Harmon.
So please state your name and address for the record. Christopher Harmon, 2816 Luminum Place in Tampa. Um, I'm speaking because while I'm not a resident, I had the pleasure of working with many businesses here in St. Pete Beach and many entertainers. Um, there's just a lot of concern at
the, you know, second what Mia said, just seems the numbers being thrown out. A lot of terrible impact can happen for us economically, but for the city. So, we just want to see a better dialogue. That's really all I want to say. Let's keep going what happened last meeting
because this was real surprise. So, uh, really that's all I want to say. So, let's keep the good dialogue going. figure out a solution. So, thank you. Thank you, Christopher. Justin Rice. If you please state your name and address for the record.
Hi, my name is Justin Rice. I'm not a St. Pete Beach resident. I'm a safety art resident at 206 Waterview Court. I before the hurricanes, I had the pleasure of playing down here at Bongos every other week. Um, I wanted to tell the commission, uh, commissioners and
the mayor to, um, make sure that we get this right the first time. There was a Tampa Bay Times article that I read yesterday called quiet hours could soon get quieter. And this is not a attack on you, Commissioner, but Commissioner Robin said, I look at it as if the ordinance doesn't work, we can add to
it. It's like anything we do up here, we can add more to it. We can take stuff away from it. And that's reasonable, but I think with everything going on, we're still talking about hurricane recovery. If we are going to do this, this should be done correctly the first time instead of having to go back and fix it because we won't know the damage if there is
some, which I anticipate until afterwards. Uh, second, I know we've talked about sales tax before. Did you know that one uh% of the 7%, so if you spend $1 and you get charged seven cents on sales tax, that one penny stays in Penllis County? That's why we call it
pennies for panelas, right? Or penny for panelas. So, I think that if we reduce the live music, we're going to end up losing sales tax revenue. I can't quantify the exact hit. But in addition that, you know, the servers are going to be hurting, the musicians are going to be hurting, the venues are going to be
hurting after everything we've already been going through. I'd also like to say I've heard the argument that live music reduces property values, but looking at St. Petes, St. Pete Beach's uh 2023 certified annual financial report, it looks like the estimated fair market
value, not the assessed value for the properties here have gone up significantly, especially from 2022 to 202023. So, I don't quite buy that, that live music affecting property values. And uh finally, I want to just say that uh it's really important for the culture here.
In the early 1970s, my mom moved to St. Pete Beach from rural Ohio and took a big leap of faith. And uh she was working as a bartender. She was also a nurse, but she was starting out as a bartender. And she met my dad playing at the beach at a place called Skips, a few
miles up the road that's been demolished. They didn't talk too much that night, but she kept following him around to his gigs and they got married. And why is this important? It's because this is more than just about the tax revenue and the effect there. This is about the culture and identity of of the
beaches and St. Pete Beach has so much clout that what decisions you guys make are going to be potentially copied by Clearwater Beach where I perform a lot, MadiRaa Beach. So, uh, keep that in mind and um, thank you for so much for your time and for the opportunity for us all to speak and give our feedback. Thank
you, Justin. Amy Lynn Dixon. If you'll please state your name and address for the record. Hey everyone, my name is Amy Lynn Dixon. Address 8221 12th Way North, St. Pete
33702. I'm pretty sure if you put the mic up to my heart right now, it would break 55 dB. So, please just give me a little bit of grace. Um, I moved here about four years ago to
help care for my mother who has dementia. She sometimes doesn't remember who I am. But you know what? She does remember song lyrics. You know what else she remembers?
That I'm a good singer. I don't know the extent to what all of this is about. I'm confused. This is the first meeting like this I've been to. But I want to tell you if it's about development.
I was just in Delray Beach the other day. And nothing against Delray Beach, but I'm really glad I don't live there. And it's not because of the people. It's because the attitude of the people.
The attitude of the people here is why I still live here. And the reason that I am alive, I believe, and myself and my dad included, who's also a musician, is because music is healing. And I know
that sometimes it gets loud. After the hurricane, the noise for the repair was loud. And it was at 8 a.m. that they were starting those drills below my apartment on the second floor. And I really hope we don't have to go through
that again. I really hope we don't, but we're still here and that means something. And I haven't been here that long, but I'd like to be here for a little bit what longer.
And this is really important. If it feels like life or death, it's because for a lot of us, it is. So I just want to ask you even though I don't know much about this process, please be transparent with us. Please
have conversations with us. We are reasonable. We want to be here. We want you to be here. It's really special place. Uh and I just want to drop a couple fun
facts that um dancing I'm also a dancer. Uh, a lot of people here may know me as a dancer, ballroom dancer first and foremost. Um, but I'm also a musician. And both of those activities are incredibly important. Some of the
most longevity promoting activities. If my mom has dementia, she still remembers the lyrics to Hotel California. That tells you everything you need to know. Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Danny James. If you'll please state your name and
address for the record. Danny James, 3605 12th Avenue North, St. Pete, Florida. Okay. Well, I Everybody said the same thing I'm going to say. You're going to hear this repeated all over. But I
didn't come here because I live here. I don't live on the beach anymore. But I can't tell you how many hundreds of days I've spent on this beach. Hundreds of nights. I'm a musician. I played on this beach since
19 middle of 1980s 85 86. I played hundreds maybe even thousands of shows. Played them with other people. Uh part of what I saw over all the years. I can't explain the fun, the enjoyment,
the the love, the camaraderie, uh the friendships, everything. Uh I the best picture I have of my wife and my kids is us at Swigwam when it was Swigwam sitting there and then my kids
would come and watch the music. And I remember when the sound ordinances and the things became a problem. It's when the gentrification of everything started. And then you'd have two people or a few people, a handful of people miserable with their own lives. So them
miserably wants company. And then you have these people complaining. Now back then we came up with a plan. So people would they would bring a decibel meter and they would put the decibel meter either at the edge of the property or they would bring it to the person where
they lived and if it reached a certain decel level well then it was needed to come down so the club owner the bar owner beach bar owner would turn them come up to the band and turn the music down. There's a happy medium, but taking
away that evening enjoyment that a lot of us love and a lot of us live for is is just completely the wrong thing to do. I don't know again like a lot of these people have said what this process is and who decides that, but it should
be in the hands of the people that enjoy it. And it's not just the people that live on the beach. It's St. Petersburg. It's all of Florida, man. I played for people that came down with their hockey teams and I came from over from England
every year to the same spots to watch me play and watch other bands play and other performers that I knew over the years. The Hollywood Dave and the Hotheads, you know, the the bands that were these these were very popular people. These were people you looked
forward to. I mean, I used to see the beach full of people. There would be 300 people on a Sunday to watch my band, Sandstorm, play at Swigwam. And man, those were just some of the greatest times of my life. And I know a lot of
these people from that. Just involve everybody in the conversation. That's all I'm gonna say. Brett Wilkins. If you please state your name and address for the record. Brett Wilkins,
13250, Laurier, Florida 33778. It's a hot August day. Forgive for my hair. Um, that's a hard one to follow up. Uh but first of all I want to thank all of you for giving us an opportunity to speak and I want to thank everyone sitting behind me because we are part as a
musician I'm part of an amazing community family people that have looked out for me and I look out for them and I wish I could speak numbers and profit and all that and I I can't but I come from the hospitality industry and the
one thing I can tell you in my experience with this is I've experienced nothing but love and appreciation. There's not one single person sitting behind me that wishes any ill will on me
nor me them because we're here for each other just like for you guys as well. And for your hockey, I've been there. I played to a group of 50 of German hockey German hockey fans that came to Florida and they requested me as well. So that's
a funny thing that happened. So, I appreciate you, brother, on that one. Um, and then it was even years before I got I got the honor of playing postcard in in St. Pete Beach and I was just starting out. I was scared and this
place gave me an opportunity to give me the courage to quit my job, see beautiful sunsets. And one night I got to gather around a whole bunch of people from all over the world to sing Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen. And it's
amazing that I'm not a welltraveled person, but I still get to see the world through here. And you guys and your predecessors allowed that. And these are great people behind us. We're all just doing something to Lee's point, keep us
letting have his fun. I know you guys got to make decisions. But this would be the wrong one. And thank you very much for your time. Thank you, Brett. John Kursman, if you'll please state your name and address for the record.
Uh, great. So, uh, John Kersman, St. Pete Beach. Um, uh, underway. So, at the first reading, uh, there were there's, you know, talk
that concerned a lot of people and, uh, it was all day and night, plainly auto prohibition. So, what surprised people is this is this is, uh, AI summarizing the last meeting. It said that they moved to five
dB between 7 p.m. and 7 a.m. And uh it said the pling audible standard and if the difference is more than five dB, it's a it's a problem anytime even if the overall noise level is below the current limit. So it's a lot of strictness. So I sort of feel like this
this wasn't really discussed fully by the commission. I watched that video and it was more like, you know, staff just presented something. It was supposed to be an improvement. Instead, this was like a scary unimprovement. when you're concerned about this freedom to to to
have some sounds. Um but but let's look uh this is the actual slide and so it just is a scary slide. It says, you know, if the decimals exceed 5 dB from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. in existent to the other DBA limitations. By the way, DBA means they're not paying attention to
frequency. But let's look 55 and 65 are the two decibels. 55 is between an urban residence and a conversation. 65 is between a conversation and classroom chatter. That's what you're saying or that's what somebody's saying they want to change the city to. You know, even at
7 p.m. at night. Um, and if two sound sources are combined, you're not doing the math right. Logarithm math does not work like you presented. You can't just subtract because 80 dB and 85 dB equals 86 dB. So if you have 86 dB and you take
away the 80 decel background noise, you're left with 85. So it's not it's it's not the the math that you guys were presented with. And what you need to do is you need to convert into Pascals, which is the sound pressure. That's how you do the math. And I have some slides
you can look at later about that. You want to look at DBC. DBC is frequency oriented. That's what a lot of cities do. And that starts saying these are the offensive sounds. the sounds you can hear as a human. You know, sometimes that's important. Now, the other funny thing is I looked at what is the rule in
hospitals. Hospitals are 66 dB during the day typically and they're even pretty high pretty high at night. Um, here's a hospital that said, you know, we're going to have quiet time between 12 and 3:00 a.m. in a hospital. Do we need to move the tom toasted monkey into
a hospital? Uh and and then nursing homes, the rules in nursing homes, a typical nursing home goes between 52 and 59 and there is the averages and it's from 24 to 89.6 in a nursing home.
Thank you, John. Um anyway, so I have and a summary and I'll send you the slides. Thank you, John. Angelique Stamp. If you please state your name and address for the record.
Absolutely. Uh, Angelique Stamp, 627351st Terrace North. Uh, this is my first time being at these meetings. It's um, it's difficult. I am a previous St. Pete uh,
owner. sold in 2023, bought in 1997, and in 2001, I until currently have been a bartender at Jimmy Bees. Love the beach, love the energy. Um, this is very sad what's happening
out here. Uh, this is not just about the sound. It's about we need something to keep our beach going. And it gives us no hope. I don't want to talk about decimals and numbers and and I understand I'm not a taxpayer anymore. I don't vote for
either one of you. I don't have a say. I know that that's really what matters. Um this is just me saying what I feel. This speech has provided for me for the past 24 years. I raised my kids, um,
lived with my husband on the beach, and this is depressing to see the energy gone and zapped from our community and to start up and hope that we get things opened up and debris cleaned up at as quickly as we can.
I feel like there's all these obstacles are in the way. Like the years I've been there, I'm not a bad apple. I'm really not. Okay. Um, I've never seen any problems. It's not
an unsafe beach. It's never been. So, I don't know what's happening. And and I know it's politics. I'm sorry, but we're dying. The energy is dying. It's not just it's it's it's look around. It it's so when you put
obstacles like we have to impose this and we have to impose this. When I was a an owner, we did we did have sewage back. We still have backups in a lot of these areas because though I don't live on this beach anymore, I still come every day.
So, I'm sorry if if it comes off aggressive. There's a lot of passion that the group of people that um have come up. It has been my livelihood and it has greatly impacted
um not just me. It's not about me, people that I've worked with in our community. So, just consider what you what what things you're going to vote on and what's important because we want to have people come back. I want the people that I've known for 24 years to come back and say, "Make me a pinina colada."
Okay? And that's not going to happen. There's nothing here for them. What are they going to do? Look at us trying to struggle 11 months after. It's I wouldn't want to come here. what to see the market for three, four hours because it might get too loud and
then they're done and what what else is there to do? Nothing. And I don't want that to happen. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you, Angelique. And I think we've mentioned Jimmy Bees almost every time we've had a conversation about the noise ordinance as being one of the good neighbors, good apples and an example for some of the other businesses. So,
thank you. Thank you, city clerk. Robert Carinating Robert, if you'll wait till you get to the microphone so we can have you. Robert Car 31078th Avenue, St. Pete Beach. I've been on this beach a long
time. I believe like you know these ordinances to be honest, we don't really know what you guys are discussing, you know, so we're kind of just throwing off the top of our heads. You said you couldn't speak to us about it, which is understandable, but I think this is the middle meeting where we're at, where we're coming back, where we would like to live a little more where you guys
really stand because then when you bring those ideas to us now, we can throw you our outside the box ideas. You know, I used to work for Bongos. I spent $35,000 building a wall and my speakers to face the beach because I had a guy that complained all the time and I had our old mayor that showed up all the time
and I used to bring my decel meter out. So like how many places do we have live music here? You know, there's not even that many. So why does it should be like an individual basis of like who's complaining? How can we can make it better? Our culture here, what about the sober people who don't go out just to
drink that really do go out to enjoy the food and enjoy the entertainment? You know, I mean, it's not just the businesses. You know, everybody's like, "The business is going to lose money." No, it's the server, the bartender, the barback, the plumber, the AC guy. It's so much more than just a couple people that we're talking about. So, I get it.
We do have complaints, but it's literally on an individual business basis of how we can make this sound better. I was never breaking an ordinance a single time I was there. I did it out of the compliance that I wanted to take care of my neighbors, you know, and I really think that those ideas of where the complaints are coming from or where it's going down. How can
we fix those areas? What do we have? Five places that do live music after seven. That's it on the whole entire beach. Why can't we get figure out where the complaints are coming from and how we can help those people out individually on a basis per the business instead of just making one ordinance for everybody? Because then what is it? Are
you really worried about the neighbor that's having a cookout or are we really talking about the business is what we're really complaining about here today? That's all I really had to say. Thanks you guys' time. I but I believe as me being here I live in apartment complex. I'm the only sole survivor. I live there by myself in this huge place
because nobody lasted the hurricane. I got one neighbor next door. I barely have anybody on my street. The one thing I really enjoy doing going to listen some live music. You know, these are my friends. These are my family. I've been hiring a lot of them for many years. You know, I mean, this means a lot to us.
Thanks, Robert, for your time. Mark Stlair. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is Mark Sinclair. My address is 7050 Sunset Drive in South Pasadena. Um, I have been a resident of Florida since
1992. I moved here from Ohio with my beautiful wife who has gone to be with God at this point in time in 2012. We lived on St. Pete Beach for quite some time. My wife worked for several of the hotels here as a bartender and everything like that. Um, I was a
musician back in the days. I didn't play music for 40 years. and here just recently I started playing with some people again and really enjoy what I'm doing. But I've sat here and listened tonight about all kinds of different problems about trying to get permits and trying to put the beach back together. I
see Clear Water Beach because it's a bigger tourist attraction apparently was able to get the funds to do whatever it needed to do. Looks like Treasure Island and St. Pete Beach are lagging a little bit behind in that. With that being said, you would think that
you are elected officials of St. Petersburg Beach and I would believe that it would be your duty to serve your constituents and by stifling business from being done
by putting an ordinance to stop music at say 7 p.m. because of a certain decel level. the gentleman that was up here before earlier, if you go five dB over what he was talking about, you couldn't even play an acoustic guitar. You're
only allowing for like conversation. Um, you know, I enjoy what I do and I I do sometimes what I do. I don't get paid for all. I played a show down at the American Legion here on St. Pete Beach not too long ago. flaring heat out in the parking lot doing a benefit to help
rebuild the American Legion that was in Treasure Island that got destroyed by the storms. I had a heat stroke, went off stage during our break, got a frozen coke, redid myself, went back out, did our second set, tore down everything just because I love what I did and
didn't get paid for any of that. And it wasn't about that. It was about the feeling of community. Like these people have all said, you're not only talking about businesses that are going to suffer because people will leave these establishments when the music stops at 7
p.m. or if you had bands that were in there playing would continue it and would continue the revenues for the businesses. You're stifling businesses and like I said, you are here to serve your constituents who have put you into office here. It seems like you're doing the exact opposite. Mr. Mr. Mayor, I had
asked you to go back and read the question that you had asked at one of the things where you said if we were having a special event or music in the park or a live music event, it would be okay. Well, isn't anytime that live music being played is not a live music
event. It seems to me, forgive me for saying so, that you have made an oxymoron of yourself. Thank you. Thank you. Dylan Wakowski. If you please state your name and
address for the record. My name is uh Dylan Ocowski. My address is 11522 60th Terrace and that's in Semino, Florida. And um I have a few quick points to make. One is you keep asking
in the dialogue that we've been having since the first meeting what could be done better. And like has already been said based on the very transparent transcripts of these meetings
7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. was never discussed. In fact, every point uh speaker that's been able to attend these meetings, including residents, have voice support for the old ordinance. So, my advice would be to maybe listen.
Also, um as the last person pointed out, it seems like you're not fully serving your own community. That doesn't just include residents, as Commissioner Marriott pointed out in the first meeting. It's a lot more than that. And so if you're really going to cowtow to
two or three people who I and it's not mandatory, but they never seem to show up. And so if you're going to cowto to those people, uh that's not serving your community at
all. I don't a principal. And so when you talk about the decorum and you say no clapping at all and then you start your own meeting by breaking a rule three times. Now don't get me wrong, I have first responders in my family. I have educators in my family. I will clap
for them. You say clappings a lot. I'll be the first person to clap. You start your own meeting breaking your own rules. Then you have all these breaks to punish us. Dude, it stinks at hypocrisy in here. Like that's hypocrisy 101. you're going to set a precedent that you
guys can clap when you want to, but I don't like it when you guys clap. So again, be a man of principle, all of you, men and women, and listen to everyone of the community who again the
the response is pretty overwhelmingly against everything you guys are proposing with this, especially with everything going on in the community. So many residents the very first time they're like, why are we even talking about this? I agree. And then your proposal is to while people are already
recovering, shoot yourself in the foot and hurt businesses. And then la lastly, you keep moving the goalposts. Now you're talking about having special permits for special events. Is that annually per business every day? And who gets to decide that? All of you get to
decide everybody's livelihood. That doesn't sound very democratic to me. Thank you, Dylan. Jeffrey Bunnell. If you please state your name and address for the record. Good evening. My name is Jeffrey
Bennell. I live at 440 80th Way here in St. Pete Beach. I'm on the clock. So, man, it's hard to follow up all of this. Uh, I recently sat with my District One rep, Karen, who I think is an exemplary leader of the
community, as I hope all of you have been and continue to be. Uh, we make mistakes. We've recovered. We continue to recover from the storm. I think there are a lot more valuable things we could be spending our time on than this. But since it's been forced, here's my take.
We moved here in ' 06. My wife and I, my wife loves Halloween. And we have had an annual Halloween party every year since we've moved here in ' 06. You're about to tell me I cannot have it. You're about to tell me I have to ask your permission. As an honorably discharged United States Marine combat veteran, I
fought for the very right not to have to ask your permission to have a party at my house. We've been very respectful of our neighbors. And since 2006, the sheriff shows up every year. It's always a good time. We shut it down and that's the end
of it. I hear a lot of people that I support entirely about the business, the business, the business, live music, live music, live music. And I support every single person that has spoken here. What we're overlooking is this also
affects every single resident in St. Pete Beach. This started over a few between Red, White, and Buino Delmare. Maybe they have somebody sitting up their personal cell phone. I don't think we should govern the entire
community based off the complaints of a handful of people that don't like live music. Let them keep their fight on their end of the beach. That said, I've also been told that every time you guys meet, there's not a lot of
opposition to this from you. Well, Mr. mayor, who I respect tremendously. If this isn't enough opposition for you, I don't know what is. But if this noise ordinance continues to get pushed forward, you're going to get a lot more. We haven't even motivated the residents.
It's just businesses. The residents are opposed to this 90%. And I don't have that statistic to I didn't do a study. I'm saying it loosely. But you don't have a lot of support for this, ladies and gentlemen. Not a lot at all. So,
it's time to let it go. What we have worked just fine, and I don't see a need to waste valuable time and resources on a noise ordinance when we're still trying to recover from a hurricane that devastated this community. Thank you.
Thank you, Jeffrey. Kevin Hanigan for please state your name and address for the record when you get to the microphone. Kevin Hanigan 65164th right here on St. Beach. Um I've called both of you and you I kind of like if surprise you you
answer I kind of feel like a weirdo for calling. So you ask like what how do we do that? I guess we talk about this. Um Yeah, I guess I guess we talked brought yet. So, I'll I'll I'll say mayor I although
I I may not I don't appreciate your approach a whole lot but you are very smart and each and every one of you like clearly care about us right the the businesses and the residents. I think you may be going about this
wrong. It's it's it's it's again and us verse you right with the the hurricane, the debris permitting signs on the beach that we can't, you know, the dogs and the and the booze. It just gives the the optics that it's us
against you and it's not. We I know it's not, but it that that's how it feels. Um or you wouldn't have this. And and I don't know that you need to take on this responsibility. Like I don't know what y'all do for a living, but it's not noise abatement people, right? There's companies that do this
that that that are consultants. And if a consultant sets the rules, it's no longer you against us. These are the rules. This is the study that was put place. These are repeatable actions that a business and a resident can take.
There you go. And it's not you are the bad people and we're the dirt balls or whatever you want to want to say, but it's it's not there's a way to handle this in a different way. Um to Jeff's point,
we set out back and and I and I I love Toasted Monkey. We can hear him from our house and it's kind of cool. Loud kind of cool. Jimmy Bees, we can hear him. Kind of cool, you It's kind of neat that that we live in a place that people vacation to. I grew up here. I I ran
these beaches when I was 13. It took me 30 years to live here again. And it's it's kind of cool. But my wife and I, we're I'm 50 so I'm not going to these places. But we do open a second bottle of wine at the fire pit and we do play yacht rock and we do
might get a little loud, but and I do have neighbors that don't care for it even a little bit. So at 8:30, you know, are are we going to be told to go home and the sun's setting? I'm looking at this beautiful the sunset capital of the world and I can't listen to yacht rock. That's a thing. And again, it doesn't
have to be you against us. There's rules that can be set in place governed by somebody else. And that's all I got. So thanks guys. Thank you, Kevin. what you all have done, you've been through was not um it was a lot with the hurricanes, more than
anybody would ever sign up for. So, there was a lot of mistakes. Obviously, it was not as smooth as we went to, but we're all here and uh we all appreciate that. Thank you, Kevin. Anthony Kasani, if you will please state your name and address for the record.
I live at 7115 Coina Way in St. Pete Beach. Uh I just can't believe that we could get controlled by uh the most beautiful thing in the world, which is music. Music is
phenomenal. It brings people together from all over the world. And I'm not a musician. I wish I was a musician. I was a high school teacher. And the kids that I had in class that were special were always the musicians.
They was super super children and the artists. And uh I come from Long Island originally and uh Billy Joel who was a great is a great musician. He almost committed suicide twice. And imagine
this world without Billy Joel. I can't imagine it. Okay. And secondly, I don't think you want on your shoulders or on your soul people who were going to lose their jobs and not be able to play
music and not be able to uh bring happiness to the world. So you it's in the wrong direction and uh it's it's the right way to go is to keep the music flowing as Shakespeare said if music be
the food of love play on and that's what you need to do uh because uh it's not about the money and it's not about the uh the businesses. It's about people who
love music and uh most of them they are people who uh who when you talk to them they actually they're the salt of the earth. So
you want you want people to continue. You want that life to continue. That's why people move to Florida to uh to listen to beautiful music, be outside. I go to the Sarata and I listen to music. I love it. I love uh uh Jackson Brown,
Brown Art Girls. It's a great song and it brings a lot of happiness to me. And they uh the people who are playing the music are very they love it. You could tell you could tell that they're uh they're
really uh loving what they're doing and just continue it. And plus, of course, the hurricane and nature and climate change and all of that. We have enough to deal with, but music
should continue. That's about it. Thank you for coming, sir. I have no further comment cards. Thank you, city clerk. I would like to make an amendment to the agenda.
I move that we add a discussion item for noise ordinance as item 8, sorry, 7B. I'll entertain a second. I'll second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call.
Commissioner Rzniki, yes. Commissioner Maldonado, yes. Vice Mayor Marriott, yes. Commissioner Robinson, yes. Mayor Patulla, yes. Motion carries. Thank you. In case you missed it, we're going to
proceed with the rest of the agenda. And at the last item, we will be having a discussion on the discussion we just had. So, next item is the consent agenda. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda as proposed?
I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda as proposed. I second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call. Can I say one thing first before Sure. Um because I don't know if everybody saw the amendment that was given to us on the desk, but I want to make sure that
the motion is um based off of the amendment that was made. We are removing items E and F. No, I mean the talking about the revised final addendum uh city manager contract. Yeah. Yes. Revised finals on your D. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely.
Okay. So, okay. Just want to make sure because it's not in the packet. So, I just want to make sure that that's that's Sure. So the motion is to move the consent calendar with the Did you want to discuss item item B before you move the
consent calendar or do you want to pass everything and then that item? Okay. So you're going to pass everything except DN except for E and that revised final version of B and then we're going to leave it on the cons. You requested that we pull that just needs to be stated for the
record. Okay. City manager, you requested to pull items E and F, right? This is item B and nobody mentioned item B. Correct. And I'm sorry, mayor, just because at the last and I know I asked this question and I was a little confused
that I thought we said that when we got to consent item if we wanted to pull something that it didn't have to be done at the beginning of the meeting. So the consent item that that is correct. The reason I did it at the beginning is I didn't want you to discuss it at all. So I was removing it from the consent calendar altogether.
Okay. Sorry for that. But not B. So B is the one that that I'm saying that when we motion to approve it's the amendment, right? It's it's approved with the amendment that was given to us at the meeting, not in the packet. Yes, absolutely.
Not the packet confusion. I don't want to get confused. No, we're good. It's important to clarify, but I understood with the document that's been presented. So thank you. I just wanted to state it for the public record. Yes. Thank you. Thanks for Thank you. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll
call. Commissioner Maldonado. Yes. Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner Rzniki? Yes. Mayor Petrilla? Yes. Motion carries. Next we have item 5A to authorize the execution of a contract in
the amount of $393,000714 and 75 cents with Hennessy Construction Services for Fire Station 22. Thank you. The fire chief's on his way up here. He'll be presenting this tonight. Chief Kilpatrick, good to see you, sir.
Good to see you again. All righty. Good evening, commissioners and mayor. Jim Kilpatrick, your fire chief. Uh, tonight we're going to be giving a presentation on the contract for the construction manager at RIS, also known as a Seymar.
Why is a Seymar need it? With the complexities of the rebuilding of station 22, the FEMA compliance, the life safety factors, the systems within that building, uh the sensitivity of the time frame that we need to have it back
in service, it's essential that we have a Seymour involved. What is a Seymour? Seymour helps with the project delivery, uh, works collaboratively with the city as and the architect, provides cost
estimating, oversees the construction project, is the city's representative at the site, and delivers the project for a guaranteed maximum price, also known as a GMP. Seymour works for us by being involved
early uh prevents costly late changes, cost control through open book estimates, provides risk reduction through cost, schedule and performance and streamlines the process of the designed construction.
Who holds the risk? As with the name, the construction manager at risk, the C the Seymar holds the risk uh in this process. They hold the risk for cost overruns once we lock in the GMP. Schedule delays, subcontractor issues,
quality problems. Those are all held uh the risk is held by the Seymar. The key takeaways with the Semar, the city gains cost certainty, schedule reliability, and quality assurance. That slide's messed up. Um, our recommendation is Tennessee
Construction based on their proven track record with public safety facilities. Um, I'm sorry to go to the hard copy. based on their proven track record, uh
their extensive Seamar construction uh experience, their relationships with local contractors, suppliers that helps reduce mobilization cost, improves responsiveness, and maintains the schedule.
They're capable of meeting all the contract requirements that we've set aside, and they're committed to the value engineering that we've also asked them to perform. backed out of it. So in any regard, the recommendation is for Hennessy construction for the Semar
project. Thank you, Chief. Any questions? Questions for the chief? Commissioner Resniki, I have a couple of questions. Um or comments just to get a better understanding. First, from from what I saw in the packet, Hennessy
has done work prior here in the city. Correct. That is correct. That the library, uh, public service building, community center, and so forth. So, with all those projects in the past, um, do you know, and I might be putting you on the spot, you might not have the answer, and that's fine. You can give it
to me later. It did they meet that GMP? I'm not sure if they were brought on board as a Seymour or as you know as the actual contractor. Um I can't I can't comment. I don't know. Okay. Because and I asked that because in the presentation you're mentioning
that they have history or they're that they're good, right? that they they can meet this GMP because the GMP is not established until we have a number now, but this number could change. And I say this because I I want the public to know you're seeing this number, but when they do the
preconstruction meeting, that number could change. And then I want to know based off of of their qualifications or history, did they meet that GMP historically? I know you can might not
I I don't know if they've met the GMP in the past. I I don't have that knowledge. Uh um but I can say that this is a working estimate that we have currently once we meet with the contractors and
once we establish the GMP that price that's locked in and that is the responsibility of the Seymar moving forward. Okay. So is it pos so could it be that it was done differently back then like the library for example? I know there was change orders on the library as an example. Um,
as long as the scope doesn't change, as long as there are no change orders, then the price is locked in. If we change the scope, then that's on us. Um, but we feel once that GMP is locked in that we're pretty comfortable with
design at this point. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Robinson. Um, just a a few questions and comments. This is a $12 million project, correct? Or thereabouts. It started, but now with the uh design
development estimate, it's down to just nine million. Yes. I I just I want to reiterate the good news. Yeah. Okay. So, we went from 12 Mhm. down to nine. We have a $2 million grant. We have a $3 million grant. And
we've received another $1 million grant. I'm not familiar with the $1 million grant. We're hoping to get about a million from insurance and FEMA. Sorry, it was insurance. I didn't write my notes right. So 1 million hopefully insurance. So that's bring this project down substantially. So I just wanted to
bring that up so the public is aware of that. I think that's great news on this. And then my questions are is that amount for the uh Seymour uh budgeted was that a budgeted amount into that 12 million or 9 million or It is not part of that. It is not.
It is outside of that. Okay. And was this a single source? Uh, no. This was this was put out for bid. Okay. Um, that's it. Thank you. Thank you, chief. City clerk, are there any audience comments? There are no comments.
Thank you, commissioners. Any further questions for the chief? Is there a motion? Make the motion to authorize the execution of the contract. Second. City clerk, if you'll please do a roll call.
Vice Mayor Marriott? Yes. Commissioner Robinson? Yes. Commissioner is Nikki? Yes. Commissioner Maldonado? Yes. And Mayor Patilla? Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, Chief. Next, we have item 5B.
Authorize the city manager to enter their short-term interim in a local agreement with Penllis County for the continued collection of multimodal impact fees. Thank you, mayor, city commission. If I could have the PowerPoint and ask my IT staff to advance it for me,
please. All right, next slide. So, a little background. Um the city is currently in an a really just an arrangement of a multimodal impact fee pursuant to chapter 150 of the Penllis County Code of Ordinances and that has been in place
for several years but there was no formal agreement between each individual city and the county. It was just a countywide regional umbrella of ordinances that covered many cities in the county. Um the city currently has not established its own rational nexus
for multimmodal impact fees. So that means by state law we cannot just create a a structure. We actually have to go through a study. So we've relied on the county who has gone through that process and it's defensible and allows that collection of fees. Currently the fees
are shared um up here. So there's a 50 50% of the fee plus a 4% admin fee is retained by the city and then 46% plus interest is paid to the county. And this is submitted each fiscal year after we city collects the fees and then we make
that distribution once a year. There was a Florida statute passed this year that provides repercussions for not entering into interlocal agreements prior to October 1st, 2025, but does not prohibit the collection of
fees in the apps and someone. So this is I'm going to go through a little detail of why we're proposing to enter into this agreement right now. Next slide, please. So what the statute said was if by October 1st the city does not execute this interlocal agreement with the
county that two things would happen. the developer traffic study could then be used as a basis for calculating fees and because we don't have our own nexus study to defend that and so uh that's options already permitted by Penllis
County but because they have that nexus study they can defend something other than what the developer may propose and then if we don't have this the city would also need to reduce the fee by 10% below the developer's own traffic study
justification This is a brand new statutory requirement. So that's why we've brought this forward. The fees are char that are charged will automatically be based on a portionment to the county and municipality as justified in that traffic study presented by the
developer. Next slide. So this item was presented to the commission a few months back and there was direction from you to discuss with um for forward penllis and the county um
because forward penelis is the uh extension uh special uh agency that actually manages the multimodal fees and make sure that they're appropriated correctly and they also have special districts that they offer grants through. So you
directed me to discuss with uh both of those organizations what we could um possibly achieve and we along with the city attorney's office had met with forward penelis and the penllis county um attorney's office and we proposed a 98%
slash2% split in impact fees under the to a revised interlocal rather than the current 5446. the county countered the forthcoming amendments to the county ordinance that they uh I'm sorry I'm gonna speak to
this. Um so basically the county came back and said we don't have time to change our ordinance in order to support your proposal. And so in working with the city attorney's office um we also know that we don't have time to generate a rational nexus study by October 1st of
2025. So to simply preserve what's here right now and provide us some time to negotiate with the county and panelis forward which seemed they seemed re they seemed um agreeable to a different type of arrangement given that the the
reasons we had provided to them that we are actually recommending tonight that we approve this and then immediately begin discussions with both of those organizations to amend this. Next slide. So to give you a reason why we want to
do this. So in the past um prior to October 1st, we have one project in the pipeline. The current impact fees are almost $76,000. So you can see here the city's portion would be about $41,000. Over the last couple years, we've
collected anywhere between 50 and $75,000. It's money, but it hasn't been the the the amount you're going to see that we're we're we're entering into with the largest development that this city has experienced in several decades. So,
potent potentially after October 1st, Tradewinds phase one, we're looking at over a half a million and the Sarata Resort is approaching over 900,000 in these fees. Next slide. And then if you even go further, so
Trade Winds has uh four phases in their development. You can see that we're looking at another um approximately $2 million over the next couple decades. So it's really important. Um the case we made to Penelis forward was I mean forward Penelis was that you know this
impact is going to be solely on the beach with this development and we did not want to be in a district where we had to share and compete for the other half of the dollars. um and we had created that nexus for them. Next slide.
So tonight we are asking you to give me the authority to enter in the current interlocal agreement which is that 5446 split and then to immediately commence discussions with forward panelis and the county to continue on our proposal of
the 982% split. We also could um do a parallel action where we start to do our own nexus study. Um and I'm researching right now what the cost of that would be because we do have a termination clause
in this inter um local agreement of 30 days. So if we created our own rational nexus study, we would just now collect our own fees and and and operate just on a local agreement. But absent us having this agreement, come October 1st, we would default to
the developer being um have more influence over the traffic studies and um and the reduction the discount of 10% on the fees. That's the end of my report. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Thank you.
Do we have any audience comments? I have no audience comments. Thank you. say manager, what is the process for conducting our own study, please? So, there are consultants. We would want we would want to hire someone who has
done this before and um it would take us we would have a bidding process just as part of our purchasing procedure. So, it could take us 60 to 90 days to complete this type of study. And do we have a rough idea of a cost?
What it I'm going to say I think it's probably going to run around $25,000. Okay. So I think there's I think one additional item of nuance that needs to
be kind of mentioned with that state law is that before this the county could just we did not have to have it in the local agreement and they could just take what they decided they wanted to take.
The new state law requires that if they want to take any amount, so it's not us, it's any city, if you have multimodal impact fees, um those fees now by state law have to
be spent in the district, not the city where they were removed from. We are in Treasure Island, St. Pete Beach, Tier Verie, right? So in this case that money would have to be spent in
these three cities well two cities and in an incorporated county. The law requires that if Pendelis wants to continue to take or receive any part of this we have to have an local agreement with them
that allows them to take in this case 46% and spend it outside of our district. And I think part of the challenge that we discussed last time was, you know, we're talking I forget what the numbers were,
but roughly $10 million altogether. Was almost four almost with phases two, three, four. Yes. Okay. So we're we're talking about in that case about $2 million that we're the ones bearing the brunt of the
impact, but that money would go somewhere else, right? Which is why we had asked the city manager at that time to have a discussion with the county and see if there's something to be uh to be worked out here that is a little bit
more equitable. Um, I would like I I don't have a problem moving forward with this. So, personally, I don't have a problem moving forward with this. Uh if we also undertook at the very least to put out a
you know a um a request for bids somewhere in the next 60 days or so to at least get an understanding of how much a study would cost so we can make a better informed decision whether we want to undertake
doing a study. uh and then we would be in a position where we could come back and say, "Look, we get to keep the vast majority of this money rather than having to, you know, share it with people that do not, you know, have to suffer the impact that we
do from the actual developments." Um, and then that that I think should put us in a better position with the county to have a conversation about a um again a little bit more uh fair distribution of the uh impact fees. So that that'll be
my recommendation along with moving this forward that we also request a um a request for bids on this. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I would agree. Is that a fair request? Yes.
Okay. Is there a motion? I move to authorize the city manager to enter into a short-term interim interlocal agreement with Penllis County. I second. City clerk, if it please do a roll call. Commissioner Robinson, yes. Commissioner Rzniki,
yes. Commissioner Maldonado, yes. Vice Mayor Marriott, yes. And Mayor Petrilla, yes. Motion carries. Next we have item 5C, resolution 2025-12, temporary waiver of single and two
family landscaping and accessory structure compliance requirements during and up to for one year following a local state of emergency. Brandon resolution of the city of St. P Beach finding intent providing emergency powers to the city manager to
temporarily wave and pause enforcement of code and land development code requirements during all or part of a temporary state of emergency to allow recovery efforts on a case-byase basis and requiring reporting of all such pause actions to the city commission
providing for severability scriveners errors construction and an effective date and expiration date expiration date. Good evening, Brennan Barry, planner. Have just a quick presentation on this. We were asked to bring back to help uh facilitate redevelopment and reoccupancy
of the city. This ordinance would sorry resolution would provide the city manager the option to wave for up to one year following a local state of emergency which would be through April 2026 for the storms um of 2024. uh the requirement for adequate ground
cover or sod and trees at times of occupancy of a substantially improved one or two family home that is pursuant to land development code section 22.5 and the requirement to remove non-conforming accessory structures when a one or two family home is substantially improved that's land
development code section 3.10 10 substantial improvement does include those structures that are voluntarily elevated or improved. It also includes those that were substantially damaged and need to be elevated or improved. Uh the waiver would be on a case- by case basis, but it doesn't authorize a city
manager to authorize any kind of permanent waiver or variance to the land development code that would require a land development code amendment. So to give some examples of what this would allow for um and we see this frequently we have seen many permits in uh for elevation for um abandonment of
the lower level and construction above largely in the same footprint in many cases. Um a homeowners would be required to install trees and sod um under these permits because it does constitute a substantial improvement to the lot. However, they would be given additional time. um they could defer some of that
planning after there's a certificate of occupancy to give them more time to come up with a landscaping plan. It would uh defer the removal of something like if somebody if property owner had multiple sheds um that is not currently allowed by the code that would allow them to keep them for a temporary period of time to allow for temporary storage while
they work through reoccupancy. It would also defer removal of non-conforming accessory structures like pools should they be in a setback, should they be too large for the lot. It would give homeowners more time to comply with the current code standards. This would not authorize the ability to
grant a variance to the land development code. That power is not currently in the land development code. It still needs to go to the board of adjustment in most cases to the city commission and others. And these are requirement if if any of these were to be permanently waved, it would require an amendment to the land development code. Um, these would be
items such as allowing for a permanent reduction in the tree count or ground cover required on a property. Um, permitting any kind of oversized accessory structure or allowing one in a setback. Permitting an unpermitted accessory structure type to remain those that are not currently allowed by the
code such as an accessory dwelling unit in a single family um development or allowing accessory structures to remain in easements or on neighboring properties. There are cases where a property was developed such a long time ago that um boundary lines may not have been well clarified and may have
structures that are partially on neighboring property. Um so these are items that can be addressed, but they would have to be addressed through an amendment to the land development code, through an ordinance, not through a resolution waiver. Uh the waiver would largely allow for homeowners to have more time in in recovering before they
have to comply with some of the land development code requirements. And should this be the direction the commission would like to take, it would give us time to bring those ordinances back before the state of emergency waiver expires. So that being said, I'd be happy to take any questions. Otherwise, we ask that
you approve resolution 202521. Thank you, Brandon. Questions, comments? I would assume we've had some of these issues before and we're trying to rectify them. We have um some property owners already comply with the landscape code, so nothing needs to be done when they undertake these elevations. Some have a
considerable amount of work that needs to be done and for them it can be a challenge just to getting back in their home over, you know, something that they're going to comply with, but they need a few extra months to get the landscaping. So, yeah, I do not have a problem with that. The more we can do for everybody, I think the better.
Yeah, same. I I appreciate that, Brandon. And and I think that that's the important thing to remember is that you know the goal is to let people focus on the things that are important and uh um I mean you know land landscaping has some importance for sure but it's certainly not as important as moving back into your house and so I think it's
a a great step towards giving the city some flexibility for people to be able to spread out the expense and the effort of of rebuilding their lives. So I think that's a I think it's a good step. City clerk, do we have any audience comments?
There are no audience comments. Thank you. Is there a motion? I'll move that we approve resolution 2025-21. Second. City clerk, if you please do a roll call. Commissioner Nikki, yes. Commissioner Maldonado,
yes. Vice Mayor Marriott, yes. Commissioner Robinson, yes. Mayor Petrilla, yes. The motion carries. Thank you. Next we have ordinances 6B, first reading of ordinance 2025-17,
an ordinance of the city of St. P Beach, Florida, for the purpose of amending code of ordinances chapter 98, building and building regulations to specify minimum elevation standards for replacement of flood damaged exterior
equipment and appliances not associated with a substantially improved or damaged building. Providing for codification, conflicts, severability, correction of scriveners errors, construction, publication, and an effective date.
Thank you. So, just to summarize why we're bringing this forward to you, um this has come up with with many properties already as we recover from the storms. The Florida Building Code requires exterior flood damaged equipment to be elevated above the designed flood elevation. That is a statewide requirement, which is 1 foot
above the base flood elevation, which varies throughout the city. regardless of whether the home is voluntarily or mandatorily elevated. So even those properties that have not sustained substantial damage or that are not voluntarily elevated, if the equipment, the exterior equipment, generator,
condensers, other exterior equipment has been flood damaged, it needs to be elevated to the designed flood elevation, which is the elevation that you would typically uh that would be the minimum elevation for a home. Um there's been some back and forth on this. We have received confirmation from the
state as of last week that this the correct interpretation. That is how the city is supposed to be interpreting this standard. The challenge that we have locally is that we have properties where the designed flood elevation is seven or more feet. The home isn't being elevated. It's remaining at grade. It was able to be restored without
exceeding that substantial damage threshold. The homeowner decide to keep it at grade, but the equipment has to be elevated six, seven feet in the air. obviously causes challenges, you know, when the when the roof's low and and there could be other um difficulties with that. In some cases, it's have had to been mounted on the roof. They might
have to locate it in another yard, which can be a challenge as well. Um and the other stipulation for that, and it's what we've really been engaging with the state on, is that it doesn't require the interior corresponding equipment to be elevated. So, you may have an air handler that's at 5T NAVD, and the
exterior condenser needs to be at 11T NAVD. So, usually if one's flooded, you replace them both. It doesn't necessarily contribute to resilience to have the exterior equipment elevated. When the interior is not doesn't apply to generators, it doesn't apply to water heaters, but that's that's um the most
frequent type of replaced equipment is uh condensers under the storm. And it's it's a challenge we've been we've been having in homeowners have been experiencing. So, what we're proposing is to amend code of ordinances chapter 98 to allow equipment to be elevated on non-substantially damaged buildings to
the higher of four feet above grade or the finished floor elevation. This does align with the proposed amendment to the Florida Building Code, which if approved will take effect on January 1st, 2027. So, we're effectively adopting this about a year and a half ahead of schedule.
I'm sorry for my clip art drawings, but this is just an example of of what is being proposed. Do you have a home that is built pretty firm? It's built um 1 ft above grade. It has a finished floor at 4T NAVD. Grade is at three. Were it to be elevated, it would need to be
elevated to at least a 9- FFT design flood elevation. This is pre-storm conditions. Um it went through a storm, the home was not substantially damaged. It was able to be restored at its existing finished floor elevation of 4 feet. However, the exterior equipment was elevated. Should
this amendment be adopted, the equipment could be elevated to 7 feet instead of 9 feet. That would comply again with the proposed amendment to the Florida building code. So, it would be the higher of the finished floor or 4 feet above grade, which is 7 feet in this case. So, it's two fewer feet than it
would need to be elevated to um under the design flood elevation. This does not apply for any structure that is substantially damaged or which the homeowner voluntarily undertakes a substantial improvement. they decide to elevate the structure above the required
designed flood elevation. The equipment would need to be elevated to at least the designed flood elevation. It's 9 ft in this case. They could elevate to 111 still install the um equipment at 9 ft, but it would need to be elevated along with the residents. So, this would not apply to those. It would only apply to
those structures that were restored at their current elevation, which is below the required design flood elevation. Um, there is a bit of risk with this ordinance. We are amending the Florida building code and we're adding in something that is currently contrary to
the Florida building code. It requires elevation above the sorry to the design flood elevation. This is consistent however with proposed amendment. We have been um we have worked with the state's consultant. Um this is what they are proposing ex exactly as stated. So we're
just effectively bringing this in a year and a half early. There is a risk of appeal to it. Um, we do find that to be of a low risk, low adversity. It's a benefit to homeowners and businesses. It's usually very individual to that property. It's not something that could have a significant negative community
effect if it's approved. It also doesn't substantially reduce resiliency for the reason I gave earlier. The interior equipment typically isn't elevated. So, should there be another storm event, um, a lot of times this equipment is going to have to be replaced anyway. With that being said, um we do need to
bring this back for a second and final reading. We're still working with the state on finalizing the language, but um we do ask that you move to approve the first reading of this ordinance. Thank you, Brandon. Commissioner Robinson, I have a couple questions. Um we originally did the emergency ordinance. Yes.
Uh 202414. So this will take that'll super this will supersede that obviously. Correct. We have the land development code standards which relate more to the dimensional setbacks but this already supersedes that so it would stay in effect. Okay. Just wanted to make sure. And are
there any ill effects to homeowners who would build to this and then then it be uh repealed. The the ill effect would be requiring it being elevated above the design flood elevation which is a standard currently
in place. um it would require later compliance, but in talking with the building official, we we think we've vetted this to the extent we can. We have to do it now anyway and then potentially. Okay. Right. Just wanted to make sure there were no other effects that would happen that
Thank you. What happens in the event where you you know outside goes to seven feet inside there's no room to go to seven feet. So this the Florida Building Code standard is
only for exterior equipment. It's not for interiors. So this doesn't completely rectify that situation, but it does reduce the height by several feet in a few cases. So and we do have a few open permits that would benefit from this if it were not you if it were
passed. So Okay. Yeah, the eaves are a big concern when you get that high up and trying to give enough ventilation to get your AC out from underneath that. Yeah. Or if you have a twotory house and you got nowhere to put the AC's in the garage, you got nowhere to move it up
to. Brendon, does the building code not differentiate between substantially damaged or damaged? They just don't use that word, right? It's just a requirement because of the flood zone that they have to to raise it. So
substantially damaged is also considered substantially improved. Improved if it's voluntarily substantially improved doesn't necessarily mean that the structure was damaged or substantially damaged. But this term substantial improvement includes damage and it does differentiate. In this case it would
require the elevation of the equipment to the designed flood elevation. This would allow for a distance less than that in most cases. So, but that would only be for residences that were restored under the 50% rule, those that
can remain below design flood. Okay, Commissioner Robinson, one more question. And again, um, this is flood damaged equipment only, meaning if your AC worked after the event and so it wouldn't be considered flood damaged,
but then it you decided you wanted to change it out afterwards, it would not. You could do whatever at that point you wanted. That's correct. And this is already a higher standard in Florida. It's higher than the National Flood Insurance Program requires, but this is only for flood damaged equipment. Yes.
Thank you. Are there any audience comments? I have no audience comments. Thank you. Is there a motion? Make the motion to approve the first reading of ordinance 2025-17. Second. City clerk, if you please do a
roll call. Commissioner Maldonado, yes. Vice Mayor Marriott, yes. Commissioner Robinson, yes. Commissioner Rzniki, yes. And Mayor Petrilla, yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Next, we have number seven items for discussion. The first one is
7A announcing intent to present a resolution to declare a greenhouse a green reuse brownfield area designation for 75 and 85 C sorry 75 Corey Avenue and 85 Corey Circle.
City Manager Brandon's going to make the formal announcement. Just just two sentences. This is a restatement of the same announcement we made at the prior city commission meeting because city hall was closed. we statutoily have to announce it again. We'll bring the resolution back to you next Tuesday for the first reading. It
is a resolution, but it has to be read twice based on the state statute. So, that'll come back to you next week. Uh the applicant will be present to answer questions as well. Thank you. Thank you, Brandon. Next, we have items for discussion 7B,
the noise ordinance. So, in having had an opportunity to um review the feedback from our residents, the emails I received, the conversations we had, uh also the uh discussion that we had earlier tonight,
I would like to bring a proposal for the commission's consideration on how to move this on what next step might next steps might be and I think probably the best way to sum it up is um I don't remember his
last name but gentleman by the name of Robert um I think he worked at Bongos he mentioned I don't if he's still here or not but you know he was talking about uh specifically how code enforcement was dealing with their property and kind of
helping them come into compliance and so I think one approach that we may consider is a uh targeted enforcement by code enforcement of the current uh ordinances. So we've had a we had a
establishment here not too long ago that uh was violating the noise ordinance well beyond 10 p.m. Um and so what we did in this case was we designated code enforcement officers who had to come in after hours uh and on the weekends. So normally they'll they don't work
weekends and after hours. Um so I think what might be a good step forward is to because of where we are today, let's put uh let's say a seven and a half month uh on this. So um allow the city manager to
work with code enforcement to identify the problem properties or the problem situations that they encounter. uh come up with a plan for a targeted enforcement so that they can, you know,
arrange hours and schedules uh to address uh those specific items that do come up because they do come up and they come up frequently and they come up from several properties, not just in district 4, district 2, district 1, uh district
three. Here's they've been quiet so they've been good or at least at least I haven't heard from them. they come down. So, we've we've had a few in the past. Um, so this is not an isolated incident, but this would allow code enforcement to come up with a plan on how they would
address it. And I would ask the city manager to maybe come back with an update um 1st of January. So, give them three, four and a half months to deal with it. Um, just to kind of give us an update of what they've been doing, how it's been
working out. Um, and I also think in fairness we should extend this beyond well at least all the way through season. So till April 1st that's why I said seven and a half months uh so that we have a better understanding of of you
know is what we have working if properly enforced and given the adequate resources. Uh and if not then we can review a plan and say okay this is what's worked this is what hasn't worked. And then we can also
use targeted targeted approach if an ordinance were to be necessary. Can can I add something too, mayor? Um because you mentioned district three and and it and I want to say it's not about music or noise. Um I and as
someone I think here mentioned it, our problem or my problem in my district has always been the nuisance. Okay. It's that continuous property that we continuously get calls from or I get calls, right, when when a resident is constantly calling me and then they're
frustrated because it's always the repetitive repeater, right? And and I don't know if this is an ordinance. I don't even know if there's an ordinance that exists for the city for what do we do about the repetitive, right? Because the issues we've been hearing or the things that we've been seeing whether it was in
district four on on those and I'm not going to name the names, right? we all know here, right? What the who the repetitive repeaters are, right? And and the nastiness about it, right? Because it gets ugly and that's what upsets the residents. It's not about music. It's
not about noise. Um you know, when I had an 80-year-old resident in my neighborhood, um who would call me, and I told her, "Go ahead and call me." And I wasn't even a commissioner at that time. I was just president for the neighborhood because at 2 p.m.
there's someone welding on their driveway and that's loud and and obnoxious and putting speakers on and and this is going on at 2 o'clock in the morning so the cops come out and so forth, but it's happening all the time, right? And it wasn't about the noise, it's just the nuisance, right? So, and I
think that really that's what I keep hearing it, you know, I don't um I don't live in the other districts, you know, but but I went I've gone to Hey, I moved from Readington Beach to St. Pete Beach because it was kind of quiet in Readington Beach, North Readington
Beach, very residential. And I did hang out at Postcard and Jimmy Bees and and my husband is a drummer, so I I know how loud it can get in my house. um and and my neighbors know it. So, it's not about
music, you know, but it's about the repetitive nuisance that happens in our city and and that's really what I would like to see is how do we address that because I think that's really what the issue has been. You hear like you mentioned Robert had me and he's talking
I think about um bongos that how you can come to an agreement about what's the problem. Let's work with our neighbors, right? We don't want to be a nuisance to each other. We want to be community. We're all talking about community, right? We want to be together. Work together. Well, how do we work together?
You know, it's not about not wanting um fun like the other gentlemen. I like fun, right? So, um I think that really has always been what what the issues have been is it's just that repetitiveness of the well, nothing's going to happen. I mean, that's what
they call when they call me. I know I've got to call you. I got to go to cicklic fix this and I got to call whatever, but you're not going to do nothing about it, right? That nothing happens about it and I think that's really what's always been the the the issue. So, I just wanted to say that. Thank you, Commissioner Nikki.
Commissioner Maldo. Yeah, I'd like to just point out the obvious is that first of all, if you're looking at the decibel reader, we've been violating that uh pretty much all night. Uh and uh that was something that was brought to my attention that coming on to the commission not having had the
history that you guys have had. You know, I look at it a little bit differently. The first thing I looked at was data. And I understand that last year was an anomaly, you know, post storm recovery and things. But one of the things that we need to do, and I agree with your assertion, to push this
back would be to follow the data and to encourage those residents to make those formal complaints because otherwise it's just commissioners getting emails and calls. But when it comes to code enforcement, we need to give them more uh ability to identify the repeat
offenders so that the sheriff when they come out, they can take the um the necessary steps to to punish those people quite frankly and to uh to benefit the uh the rest of the community that is behaving and that are being good neighbors. So it's part of the formula
as well. One thing to add to that is when you receive those emails. So again, my standard operating procedure is city manager can vouch for it as she gets a CC as does code enforcement because I do want it on the record to make sure that
we do address uh the repetitive u the ones where we have continual issues. Um and I do, you know, let them know, call code enforcement, call the sheriff's office if you need to. um we've had evenings where I've gone out and sat
with the resident at 11:30 on the porch right next to you. Um to to take a look and see it firsthand and then to be able to provide something that code enforcement the sheriff to work with. Commissioner Robinson. Um I agree and I've said for a while
about the code enforcement and and whether this had been an issue that you know we haven't had code enforcement on the weekends and we haven't had them after hours. So, I think that's a good start there. I also feel there needs to be a complaint log. I I find that the
sheriff's department whether uh it just doesn't get back to code enforcement, but there's been times that um complaints are not logged and uh I those need to be addressed that we need to have a log for that from the
sheriff's from the sheriff's department needs to go to code and we need to keep a track track on that. Um, also have a question. Um, reading through I did a little homework. I looked at Panama, uh, Panama Beach, Panama City. Um, agreed that, you know, Naples isn't really, um,
us. Um, we are very unique, but there are other cities and I looked at other cities and their and their, um, their levels. Again, people must realize there's also that where are you registering it at? are you registering
at the source or are you registering at the complaint? Um, so there's a wide variety of that. So that's a little bit more entailed, but for the most part what I saw was between uh, you know, with a few outliers because I did look at Key West and that was a whole
different thing, but Clearwater, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Sarasota, Panama Beach, kind of looked at that. They also threw another one in there and it ended up being a little bit higher of a of a decibel rating, but you know they do do DBA which is what you can hear and DBC
is what you can feel meaning your window shake and they do do I would like to see some data on that from staff whether we need to add that component in it because that would cover those low low noises and and the ones that are revi uh
vibrating um And typically from what I've seen on other cities, it's a higher actually rating. So if it's a 65 for the DBA, it's 70 for DBC. So they register both of those. Um that would just
my thoughts on that. But uh there's definitely a wide range and for most part some of the other cities are 6055 w with their ordinances. Commissioner So, the other thing too though is that I think that most of the resistance has
been the uh the hours and I think that you know at least most of the feedback that I've been getting that 7 p.m. is is a heartache and as we've seen expressed by uh musicians and business owners that that is not something that's going to be compatible with sustaining, you know, a
a vibrant city as well as the uh the establishments that rely on that. Yeah, but I I think too that was taken a little bit out of context because again permits and cups cover outdoor music and the five degree was was another way to
gauge stuff. So, but nevertheless, the I I agree with you that the the 10:00 was was a good was a amanable time for most people. And that that goes back to a comment that was made about gaslighting. And I think that the culprit tonight has really been the media in terms of just
putting things out there prematurely without, you know, doing adequate research. So I think that was part of the miscommunication as well. Well, I think there were some articles that actually said that we still had the clearly audible and 200 ft which was null and void on everything, but the
media still ran with that and still presented that and and uh that was incorrect. I received a message I received several messages from reporters for interviews. This is just for your own information to
give you uh an idea of of how these things go down because Mia, you're absolutely correct about the gaslighting. Um and my response to all of them was happy to talk to you. Did you watch the last commission meeting?
How many do you think said yes? Exactly. And I said, 'Well, watch the commission meeting and then we can talk. Well, I got a story I got to run at five o'clock. Okay, so you're going to run a story without any context, without f but inaccurate information, without actually getting the details on it. Okay,
that's on them. That's, you know, um but that happens. Look, it's they didn't even read the minutes because it was clearly in the minutes from the last meeting. That's sad, too. Um, Commissioner Marriott.
Yeah. Um, thank you, Mayor. I'm sorry before you get started, uh, I just would like to make a request to give I know normally we don't take audience comments at this point, but just to kind of facilitate a further discussion while you make your comments, if anybody else would like to fill out a
card to speak on this subject since we added this, would you all be opposed to that? No. Okay. If you would like to take three minutes and speak after you've heard us and have any other further suggestions, thoughts, or comments, please do so now. Sorry for interrupting you. Sure.
So, thank you uh thank you, mayor, for um for bringing this back up and and I think you're exactly right about what our path forward should be and and there's a couple reasons for it. And one is that um I think we always need to be mindful of of what problem are we trying
to solve? and and if we have an ordinance on the books that can solve our problem and we're just not enforcing it, then creating a new ordinance isn't necessarily the the correct answer, right? Like we we should we should be really solid on enforcing what we have
before we make new ordinances. Um, and so I I think that's the that is by far the most reasonable path forward is to is to really try to enforce what we have, pay very close attention to if it works, how it works. I think having uh,
you know, code enforcement on nights and weekends when we need them is critical to being able to do that. Um, and then to Commissioner Rzniki's point, you know, I think uh it was just a few commission meetings ago that we um passed an ordinance that allows us to deal with nuisance properties, right?
And so I'm sure that that extends to multiple violations for things like a noise ordinance as well. So, um, so I think we're putting ourselves in a really good place to be able to, um, you know, better handle
things that are a repetitive nuisance. Um, and by really enforcing what we have, we can be ve much more clear on what we can enforce and what we can't. And so if we do need to change something in the future, at least we go into it knowing
a little bit more about about what's reasonable or or why we're changing something. And so um, so so again, thank you, mayor. I think that was absolutely the correct the correct method to proceed forward. Thank you, Commissioner.
City Clerk Dylan Wakowski. You will have to restate your full name and address, please. Okay. Dylan Wakowski, addresses 11522 60th Terrace, Seminal, Florida. And so
based off just this last discussion here, what I'm hearing, well, I have two things. One is, and I think we dis heard this discussion the first time, was there's no real teeth to the current ordinance is kind of what I'm hearing.
If there's repeat offenders and there's nothing really being done. So, if that's the case, then yeah, any new law that doesn't have teeth isn't going to be effective. My second question is
um the first time is my understanding that the special decibel reader from city hall has to be brought out in certain instances as opposed to what deputies already have on hand. And I know that's
inconvenient for whoever has to do that after hours or on the weekends. Is that something that could maybe be changed to make it easier? because if they're all calibrated the same, I don't see what difference it makes.
That's just a suggestion. But yeah, I mean, if we have an existing ordinance and people are complaining after 10 p.m., then I would be frustrated, too, if I
felt like I wasn't being listened to. So, yeah, I agree. That's that sounds like a reasonable course to go with and yeah, anything new isn't going to fix an old problem. So, thank you. That's it.
Thank you, Dylan. Mia Hartley, if you'll please state your name and address for the record. Yes. Hi, Mia Hartley, 680 71st Avenue, St. Pete Beach, Florida.
Um, I think we spent a lot of the beginning of this meeting just kind of getting through the muck of what the social media storm brought with it. Um, I understand, mayor. Um, you know, starting off with the statement of, you know, when did we say
we're going to kill live music at 7 p.m.? You never you never said that, right? Um, and I think that also enlivened a lot of people because while some people were confused and still wanted to talk about 200 feet and we're all trying to talk about it outside before we come in here that no, that's not being discussed anymore. Plainly audible is not being discussed anymore.
Um, there was still a lot of frustration about numbers that weren't reflective of what we had considered together as during the uh, city workshop which I thought was very constructive. So, it was just the lack
of reflection of what was discussed that I think really frustrated people the most. Um, and not necessarily just a social media storm, but just the this isn't what we talked about. This wasn't what we thought we were going to
come to some sort of compromise on. So, um, while I don't apologize for having passion about this, I do think once everyone sort of levels out and we get through the muck of all that, we can actually look at each other. And I appreciate you adding this to the end of
the agenda. Um, I do want to mention though, we talk about this not being about music. Uh, and I've certainly had nuisance neighbors in this town, so I understand the frustration that comes with that. I think there needs to be targeted addressing of those issues. But
I remember watching back to the January meeting before most of us even knew that this was going to be a discussion in that first reading. And I think what scared me the most, I was going over Gany Bridge to my work. And I was listening to it and there was jokes
being made about music preference. And well, I mean, if it's rap music, I'm probably more likely to have something to say about that than classical, which has plenty of undertones to it in the statement itself. And that's where it really started for
me is we're talking about preference of music and how subjectively that could affect how decisions are being made in this city. We're making jokes about it. That scared me. So, I know we talk about this isn't about live music. This isn't about bands, but those were the comments that were being made by this commission
in that meeting before any of us started showing up. So, this isn't just blind rage. This is something that we've been watching. And while this continues to be a topic, we're going to keep showing up. That being said, I really like all the comments that have been made here at the
end of this meeting. I think approaching those targeted venues or neighbors that are creating those issues, I understand that. I think there's a lot of solutions that can be found together, but until these conversations reflect the conversations
you've had with us, we're just going to keep showing up. So, thank you. Thank you, Mia. Jeff Bell. If you please state your name and address for the record. Uh Jeffrey Bernell, uh 440 80th Way here
in St. Pete Beach. Um first of all, I'd like to thank you guys. Um there is a process called the democratic process by some but that process is our government our leadership uh that represents us that we
put you in those chairs to do so. Uh you have to make decisions and when those decisions affect us and we don't agree we get to voice our opinions and the process requires you to listen and make adjustments as needed so that we all get along. and I saw a great
example of that this evening. So, thank you. Um, for those people that want to have a voice in opposition to this, those that want to say, "Hey, we don't think there should be live music," or whatever it is their complaint is,
they have to follow a process, too. State law requires them to file a code enforcement complaint, provide their name and address, and that's the process. They don't get to call your personal cell phone or shoot you an email and say, "Hey,
Adrian, you got to do something about this. Karen, this this guy next door, you got to you got to help me out." That's not the process. So, when they do that, remind them that the process exists for them the same as it does for
us. If they have a complaint, tell them to get involved. tell them to come on up here, fill out a yellow card, come up here and get involved in the conversation. I honestly can't tell you what the opposition to any of this is
because I haven't heard their voice. They haven't come to speak. They haven't engaged in the conversation. All they've done is is complain behind closed curtains. I'm all about hearing what they have to say. I I I maybe they have
a valid point that I haven't heard, but if they don't get involved in the conversation, if they don't follow the process, then they shouldn't have a voice and they shouldn't be considered when making decisions on how we govern the community. So, I appreciate your adjustment on the fly, adding this to
the agenda and and making a reasonable leadership decision to say, I've heard a lot of voices and we need to reconsider this. So, so again, thank you guys. Thank you, sir. Kevin Hanigan, if you'll please state your name and
address for the record. Kevin Hanigan, 65164th. Um, thank you. That was awesome. That was I think you said it democracy into January. You heard, you listened, and you you changed. And man, you guys did it tonight. And that Thank you very much
for that. And I don't know if it's appropriate to say rock on or, you know, classical on or rap on, but that worked and that was awesome. So, thank you for that. Thank you, Kevin. John Kursman, if you'll please state your name and
address for the record. John Kursman. Behe South, St. Pete Beach. We do have a pool going on the one time Mr. Kursman shows up without this iPhone or pad or whatever. I know. I need We're We're up to $1,200 if you want to put five bucks on it.
It's not showing on the screen what I'm showing on my screen. Um there we go. That's Yeah, you can zoom in even more. I mean, there we go. So, first of want to thank you guys for coming to what I think is the right decision to put this aside. It
reminded me that one of the people that was actually very involved in in in a lawsuit regarding noise said to me, "We don't really need a change of the rules. We just need the current rule to be enforced." And and so I mean, I forgot that one. I
mean, I mentioned it one of the earlier times, but you know, we we we have to consider that. But some other things I think that just I think it's just relevant to to this to mention is for inance realtor.com has an overlay for flooding. They have an overlay for noise
and and so um when you this is the scale that goes to show on the screen but it it has a scale and you can see you're not seeing these bright yellow colors. go on to realtor.com, click on the map and and
then you have a choice of overlays and do that because the same way the city has multiple sign zones for that ordinance that just got updated, had too many, it has less, but having a one-sizefitit all is is really really
difficult um and not fair. and and and um and then to summarize um you know, the city's gone through a lot and anything that we're doing that isn't helping us just get people into
their homes or back to their jobs or back to their residences, I think is is is a distraction. And I'm just hoping that until we are rolled back that every time you're dealing with a complaint or something that you can just sit there and go, is
there a way we can address it so that we can just f I mean it's just terrific to see the the or other ordinances that you guys talked about tonight. They didn't get nearly the discussion, but these are great ordinances. You saw people having trouble getting into their homes. You said, "Let's let's make it that they can don't have to raise their air
conditioners high." you saw that people are being hung up on on on on the plantings when they're trying to get back in. You said, "Wait, we'll just deal with that later." Some really great common sense things and it's getting lost and and you do one thing, you're always remembered by the by the worst
decision or whatever, but you do one thing. Someone just mentioned 7 p.m. and all of a sudden it turned into a whole big thing. And I'm I'm really glad that you you've rectified things and you're able to focus on the things that matter. So, thank you. Thank you, John.
Seth Campbell. Please state your name and the address for the record. Uh, Seth Campbell, 46015th Avenue North, St. Pete. And, uh, I think this is the third time I've come to the meetings. I thank you
for all your time. I know it's it goes on and on, so I'll be brief. Um, one thing I want to reiterate is the possibility some places have um, entertainment zones to where you could be a little more lenient on um, the decibel levels on like, you know, near
Jimmy Bees or something like that along that strip versus nobody wants the guy, you know, welding at 2 in the morning um, blasting Aussie Osborne all night, which is fun, but you don't want that. None of us want that either. I think I think we don't want like 20 year olds uh
throwing parties at Airbnbs on their dad's, you know, account or whatever. Um so there has to be I I think we're all on the same page with that. So it's like if what whatever we can do to like cut through that and separate those nuisances from active business, I think
anything that we can do to work together on that is is a compromise for everybody. I know, of course, you won't make everybody happy 100%, but I think that'll help. Thank you. Thank you, Seth. There are no more comment cards. Thank you, city clerk. City manager,
does that give you adequate direction? Yes, it does. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have reports. Starting with the city clerk. I just want to formally congratulate Deputy City Clerk uh Jenny Bodkin for getting the employee of the quarter. I
think it is very welld deserved. She has been instrumental in um helping me get started here. Very much so. Thank you. city manip two quick reports. So I've heard some feedback from the commission as well as our finance
and budget committee and I know we have been spraying a fire hose of budget information at you. So I'm going to add a budget workshop I'll call it 5A to Mon to next Tuesday's meeting during presentations. you are not taking action
items, but it'll give you the first bite at this final budget presentation before we bring it to you for adoption. And then we will still hold the budget workshop the following week to give you some time to digest and bring back additional questions. This will be the
largest presentation you've seen to date because it includes financial policies. The numbers are finally coming together. where we've sharpened the last pencil and um when we move out of that final workshop, we'll be bringing it back to you for adoption. Um second
announcement, um staff and I met with uh Sheriff Gulari today and we had a very nice meeting. We are in the process of uh transitioning some leadership. We have a new captain and a couple new sergeants coming on. We had some retirements and promotions within the
sheriff's office. So, I just wanted to share that with you and we've started some conversations. I have his personal cell phone number, so he said I can call him anytime. Um, so just some good relationship building and working on um improving our reporting of community
concerns and and um response from the sheriff's office. End of report. Thank you. City manager, city attorney. Um I have just one thing to report. Uh you will remember there were questions earlier about state investigations and
the answer that we gave at that time was that the state agencies would um not comment and had no comment as to whether or not there was an ongoing investigation. Uh we do have some results from the commission on ethics in Tallahassee.
Um, as released on July 30th in a press release, a meeting in Tallahassee of the Commission on Ethics took place on July 25th in a closed session and the Florida Commission on Ethics took action on a
few matters. Um, 11 of those matters were probable cause hearings. A finding of probable cause is not a determination a violation occurred. um such a that determination is made only after a full evidential hearing on the allegations.
Um in the particular case involving St. Pete Beach uh former city manager Alex Ray, no probable cause was found on an allegation that Alex Ray, St. P Beach city manager misused his position by making payments to a vendor that
exceeded his expenditure authority, awarded contracts without the required commission approval, and failed to provide oversight of PECARD transactions. And that doesn't mean that he didn't do those things. It's just that he did did not do them as part of misusing his
position. Um this is uh at a stage in the commissioner's proceedings uh that's called the second stage. So that involves a probable cause determination
and that's made only after there is a full preliminary investigation. If there was to be a probable cause, they would do an even more in-depth investigation. But they did do an investigation that was thorough to determine whether there was probable
cause to believe there was a violation of ethics laws. If the commission finds no probable cause to believe there was a violation of the ethics laws, as it did in this case, the complaint will be dismissed and will become a matter of public record. All requests for the
public record should be directed to the Florida Commission on Ethics in Tallahassee. and their website instructs you how you can do that or you can call them and they have an email address as well. Thank you, city attorney.
Commissioners, District 4. Yeah, I'd like to uh once again commend uh our city manager and public works as well as our fire department for uh coming out to Vina and deal with uh some flooding on one of our streets. You know, we did have a 25-y year storm. uh
we found a blockage and uh we certainly do appreciate the quick responsive action to prevent further damage to homes uh in in the wake of an aftermath and we certainly didn't need folks to get flooded again. So we appreciate that. So thank you so much. District three
and I would just say I I I concur because it happened in district three too. So, um there was uh the the fire um as well as public services were out there um as soon as they could get through the flood. Um but the streets in
Belle Vista, Leo, and um the Dawn were were flooded pretty bad. So, I do thank you for that. Um just a a couple of meetings that are up and coming for District 3. Um next Monday, August 21st
at 6 p.m. at Leo Beach Park. Um, this is like an open house. No agenda, just for any uh residents in that area. Um, and and I'll just say it's for that area, Leo, Bokeh or any of the um condominiums because they don't have as many
association meetings as my Bel Vista and Donsesar associations do. So, that's just open for um anybody really in District 3. And then the dawn neighborhood has uh another community meeting on August 27th here at city hall and now I forgot the time. Is it five or
six? Do you remember? It'll be posted or email sent. I'll verify. I don't know. I'm stuck on five, but I think it's five. Um here in city hall. Um and that's it. Thank you, District 2. I just want to again say thank you as
well to Jenny Bodkin and the buyer rescue for um their service and their work. Um and um just wanted to also let uh district 2 know looking to put together something to talk about uh the Cory Landings project and get input from
the residents in the area for district 2. Um and uh be able to work off of that info. Uh I have library hours as well, 5 to 5:45 September 2nd. Thank you. District 1.
Uh yes. Um, so I think recovery is continuing pretty well in district one. Um, good good good for for good or for bad. There are more houses all of a sudden being uh demolished every day in District 1. So, um, it's sad to see, but
it also means that there's going to be progress of new elevated structures being built, and that's a good thing to see. So, um, so I think that's great. We've had a couple of new businesses open in District 1. Um, the gym at St. Pete Beach has opened in what used to be the Fitforlife building. Um, so that's
really exciting to see. Um, and uh, I've heard rumor and seen work going on in the laundromat on Blind Pass also. So hopefully we'll have a laundromat back on this side of town again soon, which I think everyone will be super stoked about. Um, and then I just wanted to mention that, you know, one of the best
things about this position is all the people that you get to meet that you would never meet otherwise. And as much as this noise ordinance has been um a lot of drama, deserved mostly, um it's been a pleasure uh getting to
talk to a lot of people that I never would have gotten to talk to before. And so um I wanted to give a shout out to Mia Hartley because I would never have gotten to meet her or know that um we have such a fantastic musician right here in St. Pete Beach who just released a new song and I think she's great. So,
so, uh, so congratulations and I wish you all the best. Thank you. City manager, can I put you in the spot again? Um, do we have an update on beach
nourishment and Publix? Is there any new information? I do not have any update. Okay. Would you be able to bring I'll provide that next Tuesday. Okay. Just so that we know what the schedule is for the beach and nourishment. Absolutely.
Considering that we're in the middle of storm season, that'll be nice to know. I thought if I again, you can't quote me on this because I don't remember the exact dates, but I thought they were supposed to be done by September. Uh, and then just be nice to hear something about what's happening with Publix just so that we can provide the
community with updates. I realize that's not up to us. that that all has to do with what the tenant and what the owner of the property itself ultimately decide to do. I think there's a few other matters with other tenants in that building as well that just factor into it, but it' be nice to just have
something we can share with the community. All right, with that we are ajourned. Thank you.