e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e City commission meeting of the city of St Pete Beach today is Thursday April 15th it is 2024 at 4 pm let's stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all city clerk if you'll please do a roll call commissioner Marriott here commissioner filtz here commissioner res Nikki here vice mayor Lorenzen here mayor patrilla here we have a quorum thank you if you please shut the door in the back all right before we get started just a couple ground rules just to make sure we're on the same page so there's no confusion any surprises for for anyone we're going to have a nice quiet orderly meeting if you speak out of turn if your phone goes off if you clap if you laugh if you yell if you do anything without being called on to speak at the podium the sheriff deputies are in the back I will ask them to escort you this is the one and only warning I want to make sure we have a nice clean meeting thank you everyone do we have any amendments with the agenda as proposed may I please have a motion to accept the agenda I move that we accept the agenda as written Second City Clerk if you'll please do a roll call commissioner Philz yes commissioner as Nikki yes vice mayor Lorenzen yes commissioner Marriott yes mayor patrilla yes motion carries thank you do we have any audience comments I do I have a general comment comment from Thomas Ras okay if you please state your name and address for the record Tom Ras on Incorporated pelis County pardon my appearance I came here I chose to come here by bike my comments today are mainly in appeal to the residents of St P Beach to consider the overwhelming overwhelming evidence before you that evidence suggests much of your local government is nether competent representative reviews or free of corruption in the interest of time I'll move on to small example which if we can pull up this I pointed this out to the assistant clerk beforehand under the meetings and agendas list of meetings it's a special City commission meeting but on the paper that's hand it out it says regular I'm going to skip a mediumsized example of how things don't work properly um which would involve my lawsuit which I filed against the city of Republic records you can go review the filings there yourself I don't want to annoy opposing Council um so I'll go straight to a giant sign that my allegations of incompetence and corruption in local government are in fact true before do sit four unelected Commissioners who have previously voted on and will today vote on the two largest Redevelopment projects in the city's history the only elected person person on the day is is Mayor patrilla each uh Municipal legislative body shall be elected those are the words in the Florida Constitution that's what it requires elective shall means shall now there is a slight difference between elect Ive an elected government elective could mean a system where certain positions can be filled through various methods of selection and you can look at the Wikipedia entry for elective monarchy and you can compare and contrast but four out of five positions filled by unaccountable flunkies that is beyond the pale that doesn't even come close to passing the smell test yet through a corrupt staggered resignation scheme cooked up by the corrupt city attorney that is what you have residents who were previously unaware that the same P that St Pete Beach has turned into a Banana Republic please smell the stench of rot and then become engaged your own financial future depends on it thank you I have another comment from Mark Grill please state your name and address for the record good evening Mark Grill second pwn Point St P Beach uh one subject that uh before you get going with trade wins discussion uh is the city manager hiring last week I was here to talk about the process and after last weeks meet and greet and commission meeting I'm still confused you selected two candidates and set up a two-person negoti negotiations team that interest interest interestingly excludes your key support leaders in HR and legal it's not clear how the team of two can negotiate when the commission hasn't approved the framework of high or low amounts what allowances to offer what not to offer when to walk away from the negotiations table it almost seems like the city's trying to prove a point to get this hire done no matter what you you may not be familiar as some of you are new the total compensation paid to the previous city manager the full-time city manager was an item many residents routinely came to this Podium complained about and if I remember right some of you also provided that feedback I also mentioned the city should not allow the process to be I want the last what the last person got and more apparently the recruiting firm had a different message The Firm essentially announced the city's negotiation strategy to the public including the candidates I told you excuse me told you the salary ranges and other compensation items such as a housing allowance car allowance remember we're 6 miles from north to south a phone allowance Rec relocation allowances Etc they also use this to S to set what may be higher than higher expectations with prospective candidates I don't understand what type of negotiation can go on when one party publicly lists everything they're willing to give before sitting at the table so the public knows the con cities on the contract with the recruiting firm to pay them approximately $26,000 900$ 22,400 for services and up to 50 excuse me 4,500 for expenses and the city separately reimburses the five candidates for their travel uh for last week's interviews you may know that the cost of living comparisons do show Regional differences per bankrate.com you need to earn 58% less if you move to hold to keep your standard of living if you move uh from Los Angeles to Tallahassee 30% less from Los Angeles to bismar North Dakota 67 % more from Dothan Alabama to to Los Angeles to me it makes sense a CEO of a company a million-dollar company with 200 employees receives lower compensation compared to the CEO of a billion doll company with 150,000 employees we're a city of 9,000 people there was no discussion of potentially to uh larger total compensation package was it affordable based on the approved budget or there infrastructure projects that won't be done in order to pay this you might be setting a precedent for City staff as well as the CWA fighter fighters unions how are you going to tell them that there's no money for salary increases I'm sure you all have projects in your districts at least one that you want to see funded but the answer is there aren't enough funds or will your ra is the millage rates residents won't want to see that for whatever reason we seem to be going with an allout strategy um to get this done without excuse me without a all sorts of salary allowances without a strategy please take a re relook I'm at of time I'll send you an email thank you thank you sir I have no other General thank you let's this to the attorney you had some comments you would like to make yes if I may mayor I think it may be more appropriate to read the resolution so that the record is started and then I can make my comments okay thank you since there's no further audience comments we're moving on to resolutions 3A quasa judicial hearing on resolution 2023 d27 city clerk resolution 2023 -27 a resolution of the city Commission of the city of St Pete Beach Florida approving a conditional use permit pursuant to sections 35.3 B1 and 35.4 B of the Land Development code to allow construction of a four-phase temporary lodging development Redevelopment construction of a four-phase temporary lodging Redevelopment that will include 1596 total temporary lodging units or 63.8 units per buildable acre of which 629 units are additional above existing 5,895 Square ft of meeting space of which 14,33 sare ft is additional above existing 79,2 squ ft of retail and restaurant space of which 42964 Square F feet is additional above existing and 31,1 square ft of office space of which 10,486 Square ft is additional above existing and develop new lodging accessory and amenity structures containing the aforementioned units accessory spaces and amenities as well as outdoor amenities and parking garages that will extend up to 116 ft in height above base flood elevation BF to the roof line and 128 F feet in height above BFE when including rooftop amenities or decorative features and permit to rooftop dining and drinking amenities that includes the plane of outdoor music to parcel's number 06 3216 000000 23030 06 3216 00 00002 3 0 020 0 0 1 3215 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 060 0 01 3215 0 00 0 1 1 0 061 0 01 32 1 15 1 181 42 0000 0 000000 0 0 1 32 15181 42 0000 00001 0 13215 00000000 0 1 1 0 0500 and 01 3215 0000001 1 0 0400 with addresses of 5600 5700 5750 5800 5 96,000 Gulf Boulevard Incorporated incorporating the conditions outlined herein and providing for correction of scrivener's error and an effective date thank you assistance the attorney yes thank you mayor so um we just want to go through a quick disclosure and then I'm going to address um some procedural issues that were raised in a letter that you all received uh last night at roughly 9:30 so just to remind you you all are sitting as judges today this is a quasi judicial proceeding in which you will hear from staff the applicant the public um and then ultimately deliberate you are here to ensure due process is afforded to weigh the competent substantial evidence and to determine if the criteria set out in the code have been met now last night we received a letter from a Miss Jane Graham on behalf of protect St Pete Beach and we also received one from Mr doitt on behalf of the C Mark requesting intervenor affected party status I think Andrew has has expressed our position on that the code is silent so are the statutes you have to look at case law when interpreting this um you all have a process in place that the clerk has adopted via resolution when it comes to Representatives speaking on behalf of groups um but without criteria in the code it is not something that you just do on the Fly um therefore we are not advising that we deem anyone a party intervenor in this proceeding um some additional things that were said were the because there was New Evidence supplied from the planning board that it needs to go back to square one again I think Andrew has expressed his opinion on that um if you did interpret it that way it would be a NeverEnding Circle in which anytime you requested anything it would go back to the beginning and that legally and respectfully just makes no sense um now the last thing is the outstanding code violation she sides 3.16 I do want to state that um while I can appreciate when miss Reich does for the sea turtles and I've worked with her over the years um she is not employed by the city she is not a code enforcement officer she has no legal authority to issue a notice of violation or to determine if a violation exists that language specifically says that the city has determined a violation exist here I have conferred with Pete der who is the code enforcement manager who confirmed that no notice of violation has been issued for the sea turtle lighting and as we sit today at 4:15 on 4:15 Monday um there is no violation that has been determined to exist so we see no procedural issues with moving forward and if there's no questions then we can move on to expart Communications and I would like to include Florida SE uh statute section 2860 one15 into the record you have a question absolutely is there something that prevents the city commission from making a determination on intervenor status we have no criteria to do so I would have no way to advise you okay but is and respectfully when it comes to party intervenor if you granted them that here there would be no standing argument in the court of law and it's our position that that determination is for a CO a court of competent jurisdiction without specific criteria to base that off of okay you had something to read yes no I was just going to uh into the record Forida statute 28601 one5 titled access to local public officials quasit judicial proceedings on local government and land use matters it is a statute that we utilize it is a statute that that section for party intervenor um Cherry piics language from but this is related to export Communications you all are familiar with this at this point um when we go through it you will list the person you met with or the group um and just the subject right uh don't need a date or time but just be as informative as you can um with that information and without further Ado mayor if you'd like to just run through the exporte Communications based on certainly district one sure um I've received and read uh a significant number of emails um regarding the project both for and against I've spoken to many of my neighbors and people on the street as well uh I've met with the applicant uh twice uh the first time to discuss the project overall as a whole and the second time to discuss more specifically uh their economic impact uh report District Two please all right um I've locked the property I live close by it I've reviewed the packet spoke to S City staff about the project I've spoke to and met with residents about the project I've watched the planning board meeting um I've spoke to board members about the project uh I met with applicants counsel and with Joe twice about the overall project uh reviewed emails from residents about the project District 3 I attended initial community meeting held at the trade wins on this cup about this cup spoke with various residents on positive and negative impacts of this development I read many supportive and non-supportive emails on the cup I read comments for and or against this cup on social social media such as next door and Facebook read a press release on Beacon News in reference to the rooftop viewing terrrace being presented in the cup spoke with resident owner Thomas Huges about the cup met and spoke with several City staff on the cup took multiple walking tours of the whole property at ground level of the tradewin site read all materials submitted by the development and city in reference to the cup met at least two times with the development team and their legal team on cup I watched live the planning board meeting in which the cup was voted on and recommended to the the city commission District Four yeah um 14 March I had meeting with the trade wins uh attorney and owner just to discuss the overall project I've walked the ground several times read every single email Pro or con uh talked to a lot of neighbors also viewed the planning board uh video um I've looked at next door not participated on but I've looked at some of those posts and of course I've worked with the city staff thank you I have attended the applicants commune meeting I've reviewed the documents sured by the applicant from TRC the planning board heing rewatch The planning board hearing I have reviewed a Land Development code comprehensive plan the document submitted for the record of this hearing I've had several conversation with City staff and Curr and and former fot staff I've reviewed hundreds of emails from residents um and other interested parties I have met with members of the public individual and in groups at Community Association meetings I've met with one advocacy group I've met with the applicant and their representatives and I've received several emails from the applicant's attorney their lobbyists and staff thank Youk you now before we get started just to make my record we'd like a vote on the intervenor status and also when you look at the turtle violations online they show that they are open Miss Graham thank you she wasn't here oh sorry and Miss Graham since you missed my announcement at the very beginning since you came in late I gave one fair warning to everyone telephone noise clapping laughing yelling anything is automatic expulsion from the chambers thank you um before we get started we can also deal with this once the public comment aspect comes up but I do know there are some people that have requested more than three minutes didn't know if you wanted to discuss that now so they can anticipate um how much time you're going to give again I remind you the clerk has a procedure via resolution if you have four members here you have 10 minutes on behalf of a group um so I only seen one request for more than 10 minutes I believe it came from Miss Graham she asked for 15 and then I believe a member of her group will ask for six I highly advise against providing rebuttal time that's something that a party would get and again we're not making that determination so I would just keep it to a certain time period um for groups okay that is similar to what we have uh provided uh in the past any objections I'm not sure I understand the 15 minutes for uh for the Jane Graham the attorney is that what in in the past we've done 10 minutes I believe although I don't have a strong actually we gave him 20 minutes the last we give them 20 okay yes yeah uh and actually Mr assistant City attorney there is a second request for more time Mr Ken Barnes based on an email from the assistant city clerk he he said he was on correct okay in full transparency I was informed Mr Barnes will not be here but I believe there will be a representative on behalf of C Mark however as I sit here right now I have not received a request for more than the allotted 10 minutes okay thank you all right Mr Barry I'm sorry I was I was going to say before it so just to be clear we're allowing the time um for these individuals that's listed on the sheet in front of us 15 minutes Jane um 6 minutes Jin Lawson and then what are we doing for the C Mar 10 minutes or they did not ask for additional time so okay okay and then no rebuttal that's what I would advise okay thank you Mr Barry Europe up city clerk do you want to swear us in anyone who will be addressing the commission will need to be sworn in please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the information or factual representation that you are about to give is truthful yes thank you good evening for getet the PowerPoint thank you I'm brenon Barry I'm a city planner also a certified planner the first item on your agenda tonight is conditional use permit case number 23033 this is associated with resolution 2023 27 for the trade WIS Resort it is a new largescale lodging development and rooftop dining drinking and music request for the property at 5600 5700 5750 5800 5900 and 6,000 Gulf Boulevard again the trade ons Resort the owner and applicant is listed at top of your staff report as 5,500 to 5600 GF Boulevard IG LLC 5700 Gulf Boulevard BR LLC 5750 Gulf Boulevard CR LLC Reef Resort Condominium Association Incorporated and 6000 Gulf Boulevard SPC the agent is Elise Batel Esquire car of Sterns Weaver Miller this is a two-part request is amended there was much more extensive summary given in your staff report as well as in the resolution title uh the summary is that this request is to permit construction of a four-phase temporary lodging Redevelopment that will increase site unit count to 1596 units this is an increase of 629 units above today and will include the development of new meeting retail restaurant and office space along with outdoor accessory spaces and amenities that will exceed 30 units per acre and 50 ft in height this is is made pursuant to Land Development code section 35.3 B1 there are in particular three hotels that are being constructed that will exceed 50 ft in height The Phase 1 hotel is 116 ft Phase 2 hotel is 116 ft plus a rooftop facility of up to 12 ft and the phase three hotel is 112t point4 1124 ft the second request is to permit two rooftop dining and drinking amenities that include the playing of outdoor music this request is made pursuant to and development code section 35.4 B here's the timeline of the application the applicant originally held a community meeting back in July of 2022 they made complete their request for request number one the lodging Redevelopment in June of 2023 there was a technical Review Committee for that request in August of 2023 the applicant resubmitted in September 20123 with the addition of request number two for the rooftop dining and drinking there was a technical Review Committee for that request in December March 18th was the planning board hearing for this request it was recommended as drafted by staff with one additional recommendation for the development agreement that I'll get into um at a vote of 5 to zero March 29th through April 5th was the noticing for this property as of tonight staff have received 22 letters that may be in addition to any that you have received that have not been sent to staff and of course tonight is the city commission hearing here is a listing of EX exhibits as always just the definition of a conditional use permit is a use that has operational physical and other characteristics that may be different from those of the predominant permitted uses in a zoning District but which is a use that complements or may otherwise be compatible with the intended overall development within a district provided that specified standards are met as pursuant of Land Development code division 2 which is the city's definitions division in the purpose and intent of the conditional use permit division certain uses are conditional rather than uses by right they are subject to the conditional use regulations because they may but do not necessarily have significant adverse effects on the environment Public Services the desired character of an area or they may create nuisances a review of these uses is necessary due to the impact they may have on the surrounding area or neighborhood the conditional use review provides an opportunity to allow the use than wi there are minimal impacts to allow the use but imposed mitigation measures to address identified concerns or to deny the use of the concerns cannot be resolved here's an aerial map of the property comprised of what is currently five um distinct properties moving from the southern end to the north is the Trade Winds Island Grand the Tradewinds Breen Ridge the Coral Reef Resort the Alden Resort and the Rumfish Resort the applicants proposing a four-phase plan um this is all under one conditional use per and it is associated with the development agreement which I'll cover later on I did want to address each phase um as as a standalone phase under request number one for phase one the applicant is proposing a 12-story guest tower that would increase site density by 154 lodging units it would also include a new six-story parking garage twostory beachfront restaurant and new outdoor pool and guest amenities phase two would include a new 11 story guest Tower again with a rooftop amenity this increased site density by 240 lodging units new five and seven story parking garages a new meeting retail restaurant office and bar space new Frontage retail and new outdoor pool and guest amenities phase three would include a new 12-story guest Tower increasing site density by 235 lodging units a new four-story parking garage new Frontage retail and new outdoor pooling guest amenities phase four would not include any increase in density it would include a new office and Lobby building and new outdoor guest amenities moving on to request number two for the rooftop dining and drinking and music the applicant is proposing this in two areas of the site the first is in phase one at the southwest side of the site there is a twostory beach front restaurant it's at the southwest side of the site next to the uh beach access number one the upper level of the restaurant at the uh uh curved part of the back would contain um rooftop dining drinking and music in phase two the rooftop of Hotel 2 so that 11th story would also include a rooftop dining drinking music areas highlighted and here is a rendering showing that in a little bit more detail the restaurant at the bottom of the screen in the center of the rendering uh showing where that rooftop dining and drinking music area would be and then on the rooftop of Hotel 2 in the distance the top left following the planning board staff hearing uh staff finds the applicant has supplied adequate support for all 20 conditional use permit criteria staff finds the request to be consistent with the comprehensive plan and the conditional use permit criteria and recommends approval with conditions this is also recommended by the planning board at a vote of 5 to zero I did want to briefly address three criteria that staff went into the planning board with questions for the applicant regarding looking at criteria Land Development code section 4.4 A3 whether the transportation system is capable of adequately supporting the proposed use in addition to the existing uses in the area at the time of the planning board hearing the city's Transportation consultant had not recommended uh the study um we have since received a resubmittal on March 28th that was included with your packet they have Rec our consultant has recommended the study based on that res submitt they are present if you have questions for them section 4.4 A6 whether the applicant is has demonstrated the technical capacity to complete any improvements and mitigation necess necessitated by the development as proposed uh the applicant has stated that they have a project management firm they've already been engaged and will be involved in numerous aspects of the property throughout its lifespan and finally section 4.12 A4 the aesthetic and Architectural features of the development including the provision and maintenance of gulf and Bay views and Vistas staff Express concerns about the withth of the development um and the impacts on pedestrian atg grade views of the beach the applicant has met the explicit step back and setback requirements that wasn't the case when this request went to planning board they have also proposed additional elements such as the rooftop viewing deck to preserve the overall public view of the beach no additional conditions related to this criteria were recommended by the planning board so moving on to recommended conditions there were only two conditions that were revised after the planning board hearing I will touch on those there were several conditions that were brought up at the planning board hearing I I'll mention those as well I'm going to skip condition number one I'll come back to it it relates to the development AG greement starting with the rooftop dining and music requirements condition number two the rooftop dining drinking and music is only permitted on the phase 1 beach front restaurant and Phase 2 Hotel except for amendment of this conditional use permit all rooftop equipment shall be permanent no visiting musician equipment shall be permitted the applicant must allow noise tests before operating limit decible levels of the property line to be equivalent with ambient and provide a sound governor with lock box accessible only by management condition five the applicant shall install a treated glass barrier along the southern side of the phase 1 beach front restaurant second floor this has been updated in the rendering it's now reflected on the plan as well in terms of administrative project review requirements the applicant shall prepare a covenant to ensure that the entire subject property is Unified under one zoning lot all required features for the development shall be maintained for all buildings and spaces within the development the financial capacity findings pertain only to the subject applicant and Affiliates that this has been amended since the planning board hearing and it was addressed at the hearing to specify that this does exclude the coral reef which are individual unit owners condition eight the applicant shall perform a preconstruction assessment of C Mark and provide scent scrubbers at the phase 1 restaurant condition nine all construction staging shall be on the subject property 10 the applicant shall be responsible for modifying their hurricane evacuation plan to require evacuation after a hurricane watch instead of a warning for the development that that was modified by staff after the planning board hearing just to specify that this would apply to each of the new hotels it wasn't clear in the original condition operation and design requirements the rooftop view terrrace under Phase 2 shall be open sunrise to sunset available free of charge to the public and prominently located for visitors through the use of way finding signage condition 12 all new hotels and restaurants under this approval shall be developed and maintained as for Diamond quality or higher this has been amended in your resolution to specify that it is only for the hotels the applicant is wishing to offer multiple ratings for their restaurants from from higher scale down to um to grab and go they are also to my understanding going to recommend an additional um amendment to this that addresses the phasing of the diamond ratings for the hotels we staff have worked with them on that I do consent to that revision to the condition but they will be presenting that to you condition 13 the applicant shall comply with relevant designs site layout and operational requirements of the community redevelopment District at an appropriate stage the site and building plan shall be substantially similar to the plans approved by the city commission except for any explicit conditions to the contrary condition 15 the rendering shall be prepared and submitted with a site plan that are substantially similar to the ones approved by the city Commission with any deviations noted and 16 a resident discount program shall be offered 17 all unloading to the island Grant and Breen Ridge shall take place on site by completion of the phase one parking garage this would eliminate any on on Boulevard unloading for the island Grand and Breen Ridge properties all unloading propertywide shall be on site by completion of phase two condition 18 all development shall or Al sorry all delivery shall be between 7:30 a.m. and 10: p.m. 19 no new Beach recreational amenities shall be introduced seword of the Coastal Construction Control line 20 the phase one pool in deck area shall close to guest at 9:00 p.m. that is an amendment from the planning board hearing where it was recommended at Sunset terms of landscaping requirements the Landscaping plan shall be submitted during phase one site plan permitting and demonstrate full compliance with the city's minimum Green Space standards 22 at least 50% of trees and Palms by count and ground cover by square footage per phase shall be Florida friendly required buffer Landscaping shall be at least 50% Florida native or recommended species 23 the applicant shall maintain connection to the public reclaimed water system for irrigation and such usage shall be metered pressure regulation and leak detection shall be utilized side Improvement requirements condition number 24 all pedestrian Frontage Ro Crossing shall be raised to promote pedestrian priority 25 pedestrian access across the Dune shall be by walk over only and this is the part that was amended from the planning board except where already permitted by FTE the applicant has gone through a um remodel of the Breen Ridge and there has been already some beach ront entities that have been approved by the fdp so would it would exclude any anything that's already been approved by the FD condition 26 of the phase one walkover that functions as a firet truck turnaround is not permitted by the FD the applicant shall accommodate a turnaround link land word of the cccl and this was an amendment from planning board it may be reviewed at site plan this may require the relocation of some site amenities at the back of the phase one uh Redevelopment this could be reviewed at site plan condition 27 the applicant shall make all nonconforming signage that has not received a variance compliant with the code requirements by phase condition 28 the applicant shall install and maintain trash cans along the beach access walkways all pedestrian Pathways surface parking spaces and paved non-structure surfaces shall be permeable or semi-permeable and maintained as such condition 30 a dedicated path shall be installed from hotel one to the Gulf Boulevard sidewalk 31 all garages shall be adequately screened with landscaping or architectural elements to make their purpose not readily apparent the applicant has submitted new renderings that are more direct from the sidewalk um that that shows the um um updated garages condition 32 the applicant shall provide at least one dedicated Rod share and circulator parking spot for hotel one and three and two for hotel 2 33 the applicant shall install a canopy tree for each 200 squ ft of separately landscaped area of surface parking lot remaining on the site by phase this is particularly around the phase 4 area where there will be some remodeling of the parking area that's that's at grade condition 34 the applicant shall achieve Florida green lodging program Three Palms and Lead silver for each new hotel build building Florida green lodging program certification shall be maintained as a precondition of approval for any subsequent phase of the project 35 the applicant shall achieve a 35% water reduction below Federal Baseline for plumbing fixtures in each new building this is a proposed reduction from 40% at the planning board hearing this was requested by the applicant 35 does still allow for the achievement of the lead silver certification 36 there shall be no net cubic or Surface area increase of outdoor accessory or ornamental water featur sitewide 37 the applicant shall install green roofs or utilize another rooftop technique like cool roof materials shown to reduce the heat island effect on any new building roof area not maintained as customer or maintenance space this is also an amendment um that was requested at the planning board finally any violation of any condition will allow the city commission to resend or modify the conditional use permit and this was requested by the applicant after providing a reasonable time to cure not to exceed 90 days so that link of time would be based on the violation and the city commission may review the conditional use permit periodically to ensure the order is in compliance with the terms of the approval this is recommended by staff for any conditional use permit that comes before you I want to go back to condition number one the approval contingency condition approval of this conditional use permit is contingent on the passage of the companion development agreement violation of any terms of development agreement is considered a violation of the conditional use permit Mr Barry if I may mayor if I may stop you for a minute um I just want to clarify why we're going straight into the development agreement because although there're separate items on the agenda that will require separate motions they are companion items the development agreement is a condition of the cup and the cup is essentially without that approval the development agreement you can't approve one without the other so there will be one public hearing and one presentation from staff but I just wanted to clarify that at the end of this there will be two separate motions thank you no problem so just a brief background in development agreements it's been several years since the city has considered one of these they are authorized by the Florida Statutes 1633 3220 and the Land Development code division 45 development Agreements are often utilized for large complex and or long-term projects that require significant investments in Capital Improvements significant decisions about land planning or financing and where long-term commitment to comprehensive planning principles can be maintained under a typical conditional use permit construction must start and be continuously maintained within 12 months of any conditional use permit approval the applicant is requesting this Project's development to span up to 20 years so I just wanted to staff have arranged the conditions and there are different commitments that are made in the development agreement that aren't addressed in the conditional use permit and vice versa they are considered companion items as were was just mentioned by the assistant City attorney I did want to just briefly cover the items that are in the conditional use permit by content relative to the development agreement in the conditional use permit you'll find items like administrative Document Preparation anything that needs to be prepared by the applicant as it relates to covenants anything addressing the hurricane evacuation plan other administrative documents that staff will be looking over at this site plan stage anything dealing with the actual site plan itself anything related to conditions that ensure that the site plan looks conceptually similar or identical to what you're reviewing here tonight any kind of operational commitments any kind of quality standards things related to the development itself the four Diamond rating that was mentioned earlier anything related to the quality of the landscaping and so on the development agreement gets more into detail on the performance standards anything that needs to be provided by the applicant long term anything that will be provided or triggered based on a decision to not proceed those would all fall fall under the development agreement anything related to the con to concurrency for the project also falls under development agreement any kind of private improvements such as dune improvements the internal roadway any public improvements walks to and along the beach sidewalks safety improvements other public amenities that are proposed by the applicant anything related to impact fees and multimetal commitments are also covered under the development agreement and anything related to marine turtle compliance as assistant City attorney mentioned the conditional use permanent development agreement under review are considered companion items approval of one was drafted by by staff to be approved contingent on the approval of the other the scope of requirements covered under the development agreement should be addressed under that item so the recommended motion is to approve resolution 2023 27 upon approval of the companion development agreement I didn't want to stop I do have a presentation for the development agreement we have our staff uh professionals we have our transportation consultant our Public Works director and our Fire Marshall president if you have any question questions for me at this time if you have questions for them we'd be happy to answer that otherwise I can move on I think we have a few questions for you okay who would like to go first any questions from Mr Barry not yet okay the um go ahead oh go ahead I I I thought this was going to be after so I'm not sure if I'm asking at the right time now because you mentioned covenants or things that needs to be done um does that need to be addressed now or do we address that later that was one of the conditional use permit conditions so if you have any questions I'd be happy to try to answer it in other words anything that we've seen um you know I've read all the material obviously so everything I've seen along the way that might that I have questions about would be the best time is to do it now I think it's it's best that we ask the questions as they come up rather than try to Bunch them all at the end because after a 5 hour presentation y I think we'll be asking questions as they come up okay so then that if because I'm I'm feeling like you want a motion for this no but if there's something okay there's no there's I think he's he's simply asking if he can move on to the development agreement that's fine I'd rather wait then yeah okay proceed good okay moving on to the development agreement again companion item to the conditional use permit and this is a development agreement proposed to be between the city of St P Beach and tradein SP trade WIS spb developer LLC to implement the development activities and Associated public and private improvements contemplated in the development of conditional use permit 23033 so I stated before if approved this project is proposed to proceed across four distinct phases with the increased density occurring across the first three phases each phase is expected to be developed over for approximately 5 years due to existing conditions some improvements and benefits will occur sitewide in the first phase others will be introduced by phase due to project complexity and time to complete staff and the applicant have negotiated a potential development agreement so section three in the development agreement deals with the proposed commitments by the developer so section 3A addresses the beach access points looking in Phase One there is a beach access at the very southern end of the property south of the 55th Avenue signalized intersection this would be provided permanently in phase one at the center of the site the applicant is proposing a phase one temporary access that is not necessarily the exact location of where it will be that that red line on the center of the screen um it will move with the phases to my understanding phase three it will be made permanent there will be a recorded pedestrian easen it will be between 10 and 20 ft wide and then in phase four at the very Northern end of the site abing the Hilton Garden Inn there will be a separate uh public beach access all beach access with these mints must be provided within 30 days of the certificate of occupancy for the corresp corresponding phase as drafted in the development agreement looking at the amenities that would be provided under Section 3B to 3E starting with 3B which is the 15ft mean high water line easement that would be provided on the landward side of the moon high water line all in phase one uh 3C would be the sidewalk that is the 10-ft frontage sidewalk would be provided by phase so as the phases progress the sidewalk would would be provided in front of the developed phase 3D moving to the back of the site if the Beach Walk is funded and um approved to be constructed that would be provided at the time that that approval is granted and 3E would be for the internal roadway that would also be construed constucted by phase along with the sidewalk that would proceed as the phases are developing addressing section 3F through yes okay um can you back up to the previous slide sure so um the sidewalk provided the 10-ft sidewalk which should be provided by phase so during phase one you know you get a I don't know eighth of a mile whatever that is if phase two or phase three didn't happen that's the end of that no so the sidewalk and the sidewalk and storm water improvements and I'll get the storm water improvements in a moment if the applicant decides to not move forward after phase one they would still be responsible for the entire sidewalk there's a trigger in the development agreement that if there's more than six years between phases they would be required to provide any portion of the sidewalk that hasn't already been constructed should they decide to move forward with phase one thank you yes the Beach Walk yes is there does it go from north south without interruption it would be uninterrupted as again based on there being approval for it through the city commission and FD it would be intended to be uninterrupted okay and same stipulation if they do not complete we still get the easement correct that's all in phase one for the for the beachwalk and for the mean high water line thank you yes items in 3F through 3j storm water storm water improvements shall be considered with in be installed by phase again there's that six-year trigger for storm water for full sight compliance that the future phases do not proceed should the applicant decide to develop phase one and they decide to not move forward on phases two through four they would still be responsible for sitewide storm water improvements in terms of Mobility improvements this is item 3G the developer will contribute $125,000 per year for 10 years above impact fees towards City Mobility Services or programs the applicant will be responsible for considerable Transportation impact fees this is additional funding above and beyond that for multimodal improvements whether it's toward freebie or other multimodal improvements within the city under 3H the Gulf bll of art safety study any improvements that are not already required by the F fdot throughout the development of this project the developer will be responsible for those improvements that are identified as a shorter midterm solution within the study item 3i in terms of Dune restoration the applicant will be responsible for restoration behind the site and any other altered property in phase one so we would be getting the full the full Dune build out in Phase One and marine turtle compliance 3j the entire property new and existing must be compliant with new development standards for beachfront lighting by completion of phase one so that would include any new development in Phase One of course it would only be the hotel and and that would apply by phase for the new development but it would also apply by the end of phase one that all existing development would need to be made compliant with the marine turtle lighting ordinance for new new lighting Brandon I have a question on the Dune restoration um the mayor brought up just momentarily whether it's throughout the site uninterrupted but if this D restoration 3.1 if work is currently being done behind Breen Ridge coral reef Alden during phase one how is the city participating in the planning of what's going on currently and it not be uninterrupted and I could leave that for later if you want but just a question are you asking about the current work no the current work behind the Breen Ridge is that what you're referring to because to me it's kind of they're it they're not coming together on your previous slide where the mayor asked if it's uninterrupted you said yes um by design by city but when we get to the next slide doe restoration 3.1 says is you know um you were talking about currently there is things going on behind Breen Ridge that have been approved um so then to me whatever is being approved or being done could potentially interrupt the non-interruption if if if you all are hearing what I'm saying I I thought the mayor was referring to the beach walk the the the sidewalk the would be going along the Dune restoration I I would assume you want to be along the CCL line right we would coordinate with the fdp currently there is a renovation taking place at the Breen Ridge they are planting vegetation behind the Breen Ridge Dune Dune compliant planting there's no grading um but it is it is planting um we would work with the fdp both the Dune restoration and the Beach Walk would have to go through the fdp so that would be addressed in in tandem is the obligant currently in compliance with marine turtle regulations there are no open cases for the lighting in terms of what I've seen they they have the Amber lighting present I believe for the for the existing hotels so that would it's not compliant with the new development lighting um but to my understanding it is compliant with the existing lighting when are they supposed to bring everything into compliance that is not new so all the old buildings it would be by the end of phase one based on what's currently what's drafted of which section and which phase they're located in correct it would be for the entire property up through 6,000 G Boulevard there would be some proposed commitments by the city uh these are covered in section four of the development agreement section 4A the site plan shall be submitted with one within one year of conditional use permit approval this would be on city responsibility to review that phase one there would be a waiver of the continual construction requirement as previously mentioned typically under a conditional use permit it's required that a site plan and a building permit be obtained within one year that would not apply under this development agreement section 4 C the conditional use permit would be valid for the duration of the development agreement which would last for up to 20 years 4D phases three and 4B chaises are recognized as additional to the minimum requirement 4E the St Pete each text on the front of the meeting space wall in phase two is recognized as artwork is defined in the Land Development code and that's based on the current Land Development code definition the art may be changed to other artwork if approved by the city it will not be considered signage it may not be con converted to commercial signage it can remain another artwork it's currently shown as St P Beach there could be a mural or other art placed up with approval of the city and finally for f the city will use good faith efforts to apply for grants for the beachwalk the develop ER would be eligible for a proportion of those grants if issued if grants are not received the applicant would be responsible for the beachwalk development on um at their own expense if the city does receive grants they would be eligible for a proportion of them moving on to concurrency which is in section five of the development agreement the applicant must obtain a certificate of concurrency for each phase one of the significant elements of the development agreement is that it effectively freezes the standards that are in the city's codes in place at the time of the approval so despite the fact that there may be amendments to the city's Land Development code over time the standards that are in place today would apply to the project throughout its life now there is one exception to that that is written to the development agreement I'll cover that in a moment that's for transportation concurrency however the individual level of service standards sewer storm water and so on those are subject to the standards that are in place in the city's code today the city would not be reserving capacity based on any action taken tonight with the exception of Phase One Transportation concurrency I I'll address that again in a moment or two there would be no capacity commitments made tonight but they would be subject to the standards that are in place in our current code so I just wanted to clarify that in terms of the level of service standards and what the impact would be under an approval of the development agreement so if in phase two we go through concurrency and level of service is exceeded what happens to that project if they exceed level of service based on the current standard and I'll I'll address each facility they would be responsible for the improvements that are necessary to keep that facility at at an appropriate level of service but if the city were to amend its level of service standards in the future they would be subject to the standard that is in place today thank you so okay so addressing portable water penel County will provide the water with upgrades of responsibility of the developer the applicant will be required to obtain by phase a concurrency level or a concurrency letter from the county to certify that putable water meets the the county standards reclaimed water shall be used for irrigation the usage shall be metered sanitary sewer upgrades and relocations shall be the developers responsibility Wastewater connection fees shall be provided by phase subject to adopted rates at times of buil permit issuance so this doesn't directly affect concurrency it doesn't affect the city's level of service but in our uh sanitary sewer connection fee um recommendation the city over time is recommended to review its Wastewater fees to ensure that they're current and they're accurate if they increase in the future the applicant would be subject to that increased fee for any subsequent phase that's applied for Brandon yes before you move on uh because the sewer question is going to come up for me anyway so when you say sanitary upgrades and relocations so let's say uh by phase two we found out that a lot more sewage was going than we thought was going to go are we talking about onsite only or would they be responsible for upgrades to Golf Boulevard it would be either either on site or public they would be responsible thank you moving on to storm water all storm water shall be accommodated on site as I mentioned before the applicant would be responsible for sitewide so between 5600 and 6,000 storm water compliance with the city's 25y year 24hour standard as long as phase one moves forward should later phases not move forward they would still be responsible for the entire site meeting that standard any law enforcement Fire Protection in EMS the city will provide fire and EMS service the developer shall provide a proportionate cost not to exceed $50,000 for an emergency management level of service study Solid Waste and Recycling is the responsibility of the developer and Recreation level of service is not a responsibility for temporary lodging projects it's laid out in the city's comprehensive plan is applying to residential that the developer is not responsible for any kind of impact fees for recreational level of service because they are not a residential development however um it is recogn the city is recognized to meet the adopted level of service under project implementation I want to spend a little bit more time dealing with Transportation this is section 6h the applicant has provided a transportation study as I mentioned the city's traffic consultant has recommended approval of the transportation cons study the transportation study if request is approved will be deemed sufficient to demonstrate concurrency for phase one so going back to the certification of concurrency all of the other elements would be based on the cert certificate of concurrency submitted at the site plan stage transportation would be certified tonight for phase one only the applicant must update the following prior to any later phase permit issu can you please repeat that sure so they will skip concurrency if approved tonight for phase one it the the study that was provided in the packet as recommended by the city's consultant if approved by the commission based on what's drafted in the development agreement it would be approved for phase one only the applicant has provided a traffic study that assesses the full buildout of the project within a 5-year phase they have agreed through this condition that at each prior to each subsequent phase they would be responsible for updating the traffic study but there would be approval granted for phase one based on the traffic study as as drafted so skipping concurrency for phase one the study this would be a certification of concurrency through through this vote for phase one only it would they would still need to receive this certificate but it would be based on the study that's already been provided and recommended by the city's consultant prior to each phase the applicant will need to update the following elements of the study any estimated trip generation existing volumes this was a recommendation that was made by the planning board at the request of staff the development agreement previously requested to use the Ford panel's level of service report there is a significant lag between the publication of the Ford pelis report and the data that's used as a source for that report staff had concerns that any project coming online within that period of time would be left out of the existing counts the applicant has agreed to an amendment that would require that the perform actual traffic counts prior to each phase to to update if um if a by the city manager the background growth rate would be set to a minimum of 2% or the actual observed background growth between each phase there would be a removal of completed and no longer approved projects from the committed project side that would be made part of the existing traffic and the Horizon date shall be the estimated completion date of the subject phase again these studies would cover only the phase that is submitted for for that site plan um at at that point in time and impact fees would be due at time of permit issuance for the corresponding phase stff recommends a motion to approve the subject development agreement that's all I have I'd be happy to answer questions as I mentioned we also have our Public Works director Fire Marshall and city traffic consultant present if you have questions for them um Brandon I've got a couple questions for you about the the beach access requirement and so um on the plan there's there's three Beach accesses in the plan correct one at the North End one at the south end and one in the middle and um the the the property covers essentially five different potentially like if if they were being done separately there would be potentially five different developable Lots right and so um the can you tell me what the what the trigger is in our Land Development code for what level of Redevelopment triggers the need for a for a beach access sure and and and is that and and then when you were looking at this project is is the number of beach accesses required based on it being identified as one complete zoning lot or is there are there any other considerations that you all took into account there it was looked at as one zoning lot in terms of the V access requirement the trigger in the comprehensive plan is based on the amount of floor area that's being added to the site relative to what's already on the site and it's between 50 and 67% of the existing floor area is one access of 7 feet anything greater than 67% is one access of 10 ft so it was reviewed on the basis of that the northern two properties and I I looked at it by phase just as an exercise it wasn't anything based on the actual development taking place on the parcel that exists today the northern two phases would not meet or sorry the northern two properties the Rumfish and Alden if they were treated separately would not meet the trigger for that beach access um I I don't know about the proceeding three if if they were developed as as separate properties I I didn't yeah no thank thanks that's that's what I was getting at is that the the the the rum frish and the Alden if what's being done on those properties was being done separate outside of the rest of this development they wouldn't have to provide a beach access at all not based on that one lobby building correct and and is there currently there is not currently a beach access on either one of those properties correct because the city didn't used to require that like on the on the like on the Rumfish property the Alden property there's not currently a beach access correct that's a recent addition okay thank you um but with that Brendan a question um that's current L but we don't know what will happen 15 20 years down the line right if if if it wasn't put together and the Alden and the Rumfish let's say did want to combine as one and this is hypothetical then it would be a three plus acre property that had the potential to add another beachwalk depending I mean it's hypothetical obviously but we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow either you know so I'm I'm just imagining Anything could happen if the phases don't continue understood if any future approval would be subject to the city commission unless they were to get the properties to under 30 units per acre and redevelop with fewer than 30 units per acre that would still administratively trigger that beach access but if there were any Amendment to the properties under the scope of this development agreement or conditional use permit that would all come back to the city commission it wouldn't be a an administrative approval unless there were to be a somewhere down the line that approval of 30 units an acre or fewer for the subject so this development agreement if if if I think I I think what commissioner R niiki is getting at is that if if uh if they never get to phase four and those two properties get sold to somebody else and they redevelop either each one individually because I think each one is bigger than three acres on its own or or two of them together that if some other kind of development happened in the future that beach access trigger would still apply and so at some point you know we're getting into a lot of ifs if if if then there there would potentially but but either way whether that happens or whether this happens we have the north beach access at the end of the day so okay okay so the three Southworth properties those are all in excess of three acres correct yes okay so those each would require a beach access if redeveloped individually depending on the floor area being added to the sites um I didn't I didn't look at the particular Parcels as they exist today relative to the new floor area um they could potentially if developed separately require an access I don't know the width okay and for the three proposed Beach accesses if they stop developing after phase one what happens to the second and third Beach AIS the third uh the the northernmost access um I don't believe it's drafted to be required if they were to stop after phase one um the phase two would have been provided temporarily I'm I'm not certain if assistant City attorney no that's that's accurate which is what he didn't answer no no it's it's accurate in that there's no language that would require in the development agreement but so we have three properties on the south side that would each require beach access if we redeveloped stop redeveloping after phase one then we don't get be jaes two and three hypothetically like Brandon said he hasn't run the numbers on the three second well no I'm asking if they stop developing after phase one we don't get Beach AIS two and three so we get temporary through the middle and we get the southern one phase one temporary wasn't temporary up front well temporary due to construction right through the middle of the property so that would be phase three there is no language that would require like no trigger for the sidewalk or for the storm water like other triggers that we had that would require the beach access points or the Beach Walk um but I'd be happy to draft that well we can talk conditions later on yeah yeah so yeah um because in time right you mentioned I think a little bit earlier that if a pause a pause can be of how long what length it can be up to six years between phases so that would be from the commencement of one phase to the commencement of the subsequent phase anything greater than that would trigger the need for the sidewalk to be provided and the site wide storm water so Tech they they just need continuous construction right and then if there's a pause whatever defines that pause I I know you can give me that definition but they could be constructing five years let's say and then finally now it's a pause and then now we have six se Paws so we it could be 11 years 12 years 20 20 well there's up if well 20 if if your 10 years continues construction on phase one pause for nine then yes mayor I would agree then it would be 20 years correct and it's there there are deterrence for it lasting more than six years per phase because of the requirements put in the additional sidewalk portions and the um the site wi storm water but Tech technically it's it's a 20e agreement that's what's proposed six years by what you just said then six years would be the continuous construction but then possible sixe of pause so 12 years possibly of nothing I mean no amenities or nothing else continuing after if if I may may I think the six years so what and I won't speak for the applicant but they were proposing fiveyear terms times four phases which is 20 years so if the first phase let's say they get a building permit a year from now and they work to to two or 3 years of construction so you're four years in and then they take a pause before phase two if that pause before phase two is longer than six years then it triggers all the requirements for storm water and sidewalks six years from what point from from the end of the first phase correct so that could be 10 10 years total it it's actually the commencement of one phase to the next so it would be six it wouldn't be the end of phase one which is five years and then six additional years it would be between the commencement of phase one so effectively if if they're five-year blocks it would be more than one year after the expected fiveyear term of each phase that would trigger that not not a not added together so always six years then six years correct okay so when we say pause we're not saying we're pausing for six years after they stop construction it's from the beginning of construction that that clock is already ticking um before the next phase correct right it's the commencement of the phase would you prefer we uh save questions for like the fire department and some other specifics for when after the applican talk or should we just get them out now what's what's more efficient let's finish with Brandon and then if we have questions for the chief or for Public Works we can bring them up one minut a time goe so Tom while we're on the beach access topic so phase one when when throughout that phase is that beach access going to be created both the one on the south and in the middle the temporary one it would be for all beach access it would be I believe within 30 days of if we could pull the PowerPoint back up Ryan 30 days of the certificate of occupancy it's actually in the yes uh 30 days of receiving the certificate of occupancy that would be required for each phase sorry could you repeat that within 30 days of the certificate of occupancy for the phase that would be required so that would be for in Phase One the southern beach access and the temporary in the center phase three would be for the permanent Center Beach Walk phase four would be the northern Beach Walk okay to clarify if they bill for 5 years and then they get a certificate of occupancy we do not get a beach jais for 5 years that's how it's drafted thank you and do you get a um do you get an occupancy after each phase or is that at the end of the whole development it's it's it's once the building is completed it states um the developer shall Grant a non-exclusive easement for pedestrian public Ingress and egress over for each respective landord beach access is shown in the conditional use permit plan within 30 days of receiving the certificate of occupancy for the buildings located on each respective phase of development can you clarify the situation with the coral reef who are they what's their involvement with this they are party to the application what's their relationship to trade WIS i' I'd ask the applicant more about that they they signed on as as a portion of the applicant okay so we had um there was an issue with access to that property because they had sold off their access to the trade WIS how has that been resolved they applied for law consolidation approval which has been granted by the city they they they reconsolidated the the parcels for zoning purposes what does that mean it means that they have enough land to support the density and intensity of the development as well as the the parking the other facilities that need to be maintained for the coral reef buildings that that has been reestablished okay and how many units are there in Coral Reef there's 64 were those accounted for in the total numbers provided they were okay um what about the jackar Randa sorry the jackar Randa I have a count of 288 before the Jacker end up building and those are also counted towards yes yes they are so in their pre previous um information submitted the 1590 sorry whatever the total number of units was did not seem to include the the coral reef am I mistaken in that sorry based on my review it does look like all of the existing units on the property that are subject to this development are included in the existing counts the coral reef is what kind of zoning coral reef is the LR zoning the same as the rest of the property is it residential is a transient it's it's considered transient okay and then what about the Jack Ganda the same same okay so those have individual owners correct yes okay when does Turtle season start today okay was there any consideration to bringing them into compliance sooner than going through another two Turtle Seasons I believe based on what's currently with code enforcement um we don't have any active violations having spoken to the code enforcement official this morning it's one of your conditions right that they and it would be brought into the the new lighting compliance um it was at the end of phase one that's what I drafted so we want to go another was there any consideration given to bring them into compliance sooner rather than going through another turtle season maybe two three four five depending on how long it takes to go through phase one I didn't consider that now okay thank you I have a a question um I know the mayor mentioned um coral reef and Jack Ganda but the same applies with fren Ridge um that's a condo Resort as well which our individual um owned a separate residents or I'll call them residents they're taxpayers so they they pay a separate tax bill correct so um I know there was a lot done with coral reef from my understanding in the situation of of you know the the split that was done on that lot and having to be able to provide the access the mayor was um ref referencing but in this type of a development order is it necessary as well to have all associations because there's more than one it's more than just coral reef you have one for Jack oranda you have one for Breen Ridge that we as a city know that they've gone through the same or similar process of through their condo docks um that there was a vote by the residents of that particular or those particular buildings that what's proceeding right now has been passed or or they passed not us understood um I understand the ownership scheme to be a little bit different between the Jack Randa and the Breen Ridge relative to the coral reef the coral reef is separate party to this application I would I would maybe address that toward the applicant I'm not sure if they've taken any vote of their owners in the in the Breen Ridge or Jack oranda I'm just asking as far as a development order um is that needed you know before we do this kind of order is like all parties I don't know it's a legal question I guess you know if all parties um have to be to the table as well not just Coral Reef in agreement to this again I I will default to the applicant but I think based on the authorization the fee simple title owners of the property have signed off so I don't know Jack Aranda's ownership structure or Breen ridge's ownership structure but the fee simple owners have authorized Elise batsel through the authorization in the cup application to move forward with this project Coral reef is also a fee simple owner which is why you see a specific authorization from them thank you question yep I got a couple couple questions going back to the development agreement um you'd mentioned it would require them to come back to the commission every year per statute as an update performance check what does that entail exactly that performance check I think it's how you to describe it it's just to make sure that they're performing in line with what the development agreement requires um if there are any previously seen issues that staff have noticed you know making sure that the process is moving forward at the pace that's been presented um that any kind of performance standard that needs to be met is being met um it's it's an opportunity to effectively just review those okay standards um and my other question regarding I got two more um condition 19 regarding amenities on the beach what what's there now is it just the slide and the zip the zip line I'm familiar with the the slide and the zip line and we can ask them as well but okay um and then condition 12 yes does that does that apply to the existing structures or how does it apply to the existing structures it would only be for the new development and the AAA travel guide was selected because it's a more objective standard um to my understanding the star ratings that are typically seen or either held out by the hotel or they might be held out by the platform it varies in quality um so that was selected as more of an objective but it does apply to the property so it would be specific to the new developments that come online uh the new hotels in particular okay so the old buildings would be held to no standard correct it would only be it's drafted only applied to the the new developments okay I've got some more questions on that but it's more for it's for the applicant yeah I've got just oneck one um so for the condition for Tower one the restaurant pool um I believe it's condition yeah condition two um we've had some issues with other establishments with music being pointed in a certain direction that type of thing is there anything in the language that you know I know the 900 p.m. thing is great I think that's a super idea shutting it off at 900 p.m. but is there anything that we can say that hey it has to be a certain decibel level or the speakers will be pointed this way not that way you know thinking about the adjoining residents I know it's it's a longer one but I think that's somewhere in condition for um that's where we talk about the sound limiting Hardware and the decel not exceeding three DB above ambient our code enforcement staff they they have a device that um basically filters out the the ambient relative to the increase from the point source and three Deb is where um it's called a rule of squares that's where it is recognized that a source is louder than the ambient reading so staff would if if these were to be approved we would perform those sound ratings before they get a CEO for the building to ensure that the ambient decel level is not exceeded by the music being played from the um from the rooftop restaurant okay and I'm buried in the coing where is there any uh restriction on types of instruments or is this I mean this is live music I assume or it could be tape I don't know in the code there are some limitations on drumming after certain hours in particular um nothing that goes into too much detail on specific instruments but okay thank you Brandon I just want to make sure I understand the um the development agreement kind of kind of appropriately because um I think for a lot of us this kind of a development agreement is new and so um the and and so I just want you to kind of confirm that how I'm understanding this is correct or correct me if I'm wrong that the idea is that by by having this development agreement the applicant gets um more time to to go through a process Project without having to come back to the commission for every different segment of it correct that's correct and then in return the city can put some of those things into the development agreement like we've done about um storm water and sidewalks and those those sorts of things having to happen across the complete site corre even if the development falls apart down the road correct so so that that that's that's why both parties would be interested in this kind of a development agreement correct okay and then um maybe the assistant City attorney can can clarify for me that if H how is is there a way for this for a development agreement like this to get Unwound or what happens you know um if they do phase one and phase two and then you know who knows what happens um they don't want to do it anymore does that then come before us does it come before is the city involved in that kind of thing what's the what what's the mechanism with this kind of development agreement down the road if if something changes so just like any standard agreement both parties can agree to some sort of amendment one party being you all representing the city's interest the other party being the developer as well um so if things don't occur or there's a dispute of some sort that's why we did include the yearly review because it'll it'll provide an update every year on what's happened what hasn't happened where they are in certain phases um based on the conditions you can always review their cup as well if there certain things they're not meeting but if there is a dispute there is uh alternative dispute language in there before going to court to see if some kind of mediation can afford both parties to come to some kind of an agreement whether um someone defaulted on something or or otherwise but it's essentially a an agreement I mean just like what we would do for paying for a road that's not that doesn't get done right it's it's a breach of contract and we would handle it that way and the development agreement goes with the land correct correct it's reported on all properties not necessarily the applicant so the city is a very protected it seems to me that the there's no way to purchase something over there without seeing this on title because it would be recorded against and so if if the property changed hands Midstream the new owner would have to fulfill the requirements of the development agement absolutely required on the successor's agents and there's language in the agreement that says just that okay thank you there is also a condition that the if if it were to sell during the process of the development it would come back to you for the financial and Technical Capacity Analysis for the new the new applicant yeah that was my question I was going to piggy back off of that if it does sell after phase one or phase two then it would come back to the commission correct they'd have to prove their financial ability to finish the project and if they and if they wanted to um modify anything they'd have to reopen the development agreement and the conditional use permit correct yes okay understood thanks BR was the city aware when the coral reef was split were we aware of that I don't believe so we just recently addressed this in the last year or two um I believe it happened several years ago but and my point is because I hear um commissioner marot thinking that we're we're protected but things can happen that the city's not aware of or has happened already um when a hotel becomes a condo Resort is that something that has to be presented to the city as well typically that's handled through the state it's not something the city has any regulating language on so so we wouldn't know either and commissioner to that point we didn't have a recorded document with our name on it against that property or else we would have been notified um what's the not things can't happen cuz they can but when you record something like this against all four properties I mean these aren't I don't want to I don't I want to say this these aren't just people selling to their neighbor a single family home I mean these are massive deals in which you have Underwriters and title companies and attorneys on both sides going through whatever transactions occurring um to commissioner resi's point this happened in 2019 for $6.5 million and we didn't catch it until almost 5 years later so it was a large amount it was a large track it was a large two large pieces and it slipped through the fingers again we had nothing recorded against the property that would trigger anyone notifying us that's the only difference it still resulted in a violation of city ordinances correct I don't disagree Brandon another question as a for and this is for the city in in the state that we are and talking about planning for the city um this 20-year development plan is this good while we are are reviewing the comprehensive plan would this be best practice for the city to go into a 20-year commitment with a development Mr Barry why don't you repeat what you said earlier the express purpose of this development agreement is one of the stated reasons was so that they would be immune from any changes to the comprehensive planed LDC ordinances cor and that is to say that there are there is a process it's outlined in Statute in which current standards can be brought into the development agreement but it is it does require a public hearing there are additional amendments but that that is the case is it on this agreement right now that language that that's that's just that's part of the statute it's something the city would need to undertake in the future if there were something that I believe it's preservation of health safety welfare an additional standard needs to be brought in that would apply at the time you you listed earlier a couple of things that you told us that they wouldn't be held to that standard they would be they would be kept to the the current standard to the current standard commissioner F we we tried oh sorry and these are just questions you know Brendon just you know it's not you yeah my question was just understanding kind of like the history a little bit better and the uh combination of lots so the three southernmost Lots were combined in 2017 as part of the sugar Sands project is it they were proposed to be combined through that process okay mhm and that project went in front of the commission it did and it passed yes okay so when they purchased this property H how does that work with that or what happened it's it's since expired um it's it's long since expired I I don't know if the current owner purchased it well that was an active option I I don't believe so um but it's they can speak to that um it's it's no longer an active option okay so thanks under the normal circumstances what is the required start time for a project once a cup has been approved uh 12 months and what is it for this one it would be 12 months for the site plan for the first phase but the overall construction allowance would last any time within that 20-year agreement something to prevent them from starting on the normal rules moving moving forward at at a pace where they complete all of them con is there something that prevents them from starting at the same rate that everybody else would have to within 12 months of being approved if they were to be approved that'd be a great question for the applicant I understand they want to allow the phases to absorb for a period of time that's that's been what's been explained to May what does the uh Land Development code State about the maximum length of uh developer agreements it's up to I believe 15 years or as said by the city commission if I remember right I think see I'll pull it up I think it's 15 years or and it points to the statute which allows for 20 the the term of the development agreement shall not exceed 10 years or such time as the ACT May provide act being referenced is the Florida statute development agreement act which allows for 20 years okay so our Land Development code says maximum of 10 years or such time as the ACT May provide okay if a homeowner were to receive a code violation how much time do they normally have to cure it it it varies I believe initial contact is 30 days uh typically when they get to zoning um if we're working with them we do allow a longer period of time as long as they're actively working with us and and making progress towards resolution thank you Bron just to verify the development order issued um can can reduce the level of service requirements to include potable water traffic utilities police fire protection EMS service or cannot it would not be allowed to reduce the standard below the currently adopted standard they would be subject to the currently adopted standard just like any other project it would be as as mentioned by the mayor previously it would be held to the current standard in effect unless there were to be an amendment finding a health safety welfare um reason to update the standard it would be the current standard I just wanted to mention I'm just to I mean I'm probably missing something I'm not sure just just want to hear it it is right okay how did you verify the applicant's financial capacity please we received a letter from the bank um or I believe from the applicant that stated that they had adequate liquid um finances to cover the project did you verify that information I did not person I know did anyone can pull up what we have I did not I don't know if anyone on staff called their bank and said I don't know what is expected of us to verify respectfully mayor I also did not call okay I mean there was no phone number on the letter or an email address I'm not sure who you would have called okay so that's a now thank you I've got a question yeah are there any plan changes to any of the medians in front of the property yes it's part of the Gulf Boulevard safety study let me get that pulled up if I can just make one correction for the record um mayor the ACT actually allows for 30 years for the duration of the uh development agreement I said 20 years prior we can pull the overhead could we get the overhead please it's a little bit hard to see it is in your staff report unfortunately I don't have the page but um the magenta lines there you can see the two uh perpendicular lines with the site that that's approximately the project boundaries the the media the U sorry magenta lines those are proposed um media improvements again this is a draft study I don't have anything uh certain at this point but this we are requesting as part of the condition that the applicant be responsible for any identified medium or short-term improvements so that would include those medians what page is that on please I I don't have an exact page number we're going to look at the page number thank you [Applause] page 97 97 y thank you sir so it's lengthening them on the what would be the northernmost one I don't have specifics that's what I took it to mean um it's again it's just a draft study at this point so I don't have the specific of that okay and what be the purpose of lengthening those meetings safety purposes I I don't have an exact it's is it to limit left-hand turns or well and part of one of the requirements for this would be no leftand turns except it signalized intersection so that would that would be in line with what um is is recommended but there would be there would be left hand turns out of the 55th Avenue and golf winds so you're saying there would be no leftand turns allowed out of the trade WIS property except for the light at 55th correct the non- signalized intersections it would be right only for the rest of the remaining aprons okay but individuals heading south on Golf Boulevard would still be able to make a left hand turn down 59th they would not 59th Avenue would be also limited to right-and turn no left T turn going south onto Golf Boulevard based on this but the this is just a draft though right this is I mean this is not something that's approved this is just a study that Gulf Boulevard and these are all F do decisions correct correct like I mean panel SPD I don't know who else is working with they're working with the study um but but the point I think the point was that why this is here is because the development the development would be responsible for those improvements correct that wouldn't be required as a component of the approval to begin with they'd be financially responsible yes correct so we don't really know what it's going to look like today but they would be responsible um whether they continue the phases or not correct correct okay and and and if we can get them if like I think you gave an example you know if your breach of contract it could even take longer right if right it would be anything above and beyond the improvements in front of that phase as the project moves forward that are not already required by the FD so I just want to make sure I'm understanding so what I'm what we're looking at right here this draft potential recommendation regarding the median is based on the safety study not based on the potential development it it is based on the safety study but it would be anything above the development requirements no higher than the safety study so if the fdot only requires a certain amount of improvements but the safety study identifies short or medium-term improvements that would be above and beyond that they would be responsible for the financial impact of that I mean my concern plain and simple is blocking people heading south to make a leftand turn into 59th whether that's has to do with the safety study or the development but it's sounds like it's more of a safety study related it this is all out of the safety study correct understood thank you Brandon on the on page am I'm looking at the the development order you know binder that I have and it's page 891 um on the agreement where it says um third paragraph down we're talking about the heights um and then you're getting to not including any decorative features or rooftop amenities exceeding 12T or less in height or above the roof line um is is that including the Terrace height and I think if I remember I read somewhere that the total height was 134 correct so it would be well it would be one 128 I believe and that would account for the upper level of the enclosed space could not exceed the 116 ft above the base flood elevation there is a permission in the land of element code for an additional 12T in height for rooftop facilities so it would be a com combined 128 ft above base flood elevation that's not an it's not a variance it's not an exception to that it's just specifying those Heights it's in the code currently it is yes did you run an analysis if the Lots were not combined since the three towers that are being proposed would go on the three southernmost Lots did you run an analysis whether you could do those without combining yes um see here so I compare the southern three lots based on what was submitted with the 2017 sugar Sands plans which showed 612 units existing on the coral reef and South with 629 proposed that would result in a density of 68.4 units per acre um then that would be only that would be excluding the alen and the Rumfish but it would be including the new development plus the prior so it is a greater unit per acre than what is being proposed but it would still be viable under the maximum Land Development code standards okay that's all I have for Brandon I don't know if anyone else I'm good for now one moment one moment just checking with commissioner is Nikki I have so many notes um you got the max pause is the RO is the Dune restoration the whole length of the property from north to south yes and that would be a a plan that's decided by the city correct that would be based on the requirements of the ftep it would be a requirement for the Dune for any portion of the gulf front property where no Dune exist additionally any portions of the gulf front property where there is an existing Dune or where such proposed development would alter any portion of the Dune the developer shall file a plan in accordance with the requirements of the FD for Dune restoration and and the reason I asked if if you ke kept reading it says specific buildings brenridge coral reef and Alden properties so it's not including um Rumfish you know that's why I'm asking is it the whole property I understand um only if there were to be alterations under how it's currently drafted it would be those properties that lack um sufficient Dunes currently that would need to be restored but the ones that do possess Dunes behind their their properties but as designed by by the applicant current you know I I walk the length of the property so I know there's a lot of open white sand space between the current walkway and dunes um but for for being on the beach stship committee for some time and and looking at everything out there you you would be planting from the CCL outward minus and and again this would have been working with the beach toship committee as a commission um if we're designing a beachwalk we're building the Dune at the edge of the beachwalk outward to the Sea so if we don't take into consideration what's there right now then the city's plan might not match with what currently is there that could be um I think earlier we said we said is there something that's going to be in the way right is there something blocking this path so are we accepting what's there or do we construct it at best practice we would accept what's there however um I did want to point out the second sentence any portion of the gulf front property where there's an existing Dune or where such proposed development would alter any portion of the Dune there would be that requirement for that plan to be filed so if there were to be an alteration for development inclusive of the beach walk it would need to be addressed with the fdp when was the cup application amended please it was made complete on June 27th and it was resubmitted with the second request on September 22nd 2023 did the initial request have either of the rooftop features they were not directly applied for as part of the request no okay so those were applied separately they the the request was amended with those um when there was a re we we had technical Review Committee in August the applicant resubmitted several documents that were requested at technical Review Committee as well as amended the request on September 22nd was when we received that if that request had come in by itself would it require the cup on its own yes thank you any further questions for Brandon okay can we bring in the fire chief please mayor I'd like to request a recess at some point and we can do it after sure if we can finish with the um with the staff report okay and then we can adjourn for a few minutes okay hello please St your name and position for the recr James Kilpatrick fire chief city of s p Beach thank you sir Commissioners had a few questions for you sir okay if you don't mind I'm G to bring Kelly insus the Fire Marshall up as well perfect I have one this is going to be kind of tough to do without you looking at the rendering um but there's a section between well first question is does a by code does a hook and ladder truck have to be able to reach every part of of a building just a general question no okay cuz I was looking at the area of the existing Jacka building and then phase one garage Tower one garage and it seems like a pretty compact area um so if you had a chance to look over that section and you feel confident cuz I've looked at the diagrams how the trucks can get in and get out but there's kind of a big circle in that middle spot where it looks like nobody could get in without walking hoses or that type of thing the the Fire Marshall has been involved with site plan review all of those are code complying in the renderings you know as we move through the phases we'll be able to drill down on that a little bit more but at this point we're satisfied with where we're at as far as the uh drawings and renderings okay so so the drawings give you confidence so you could get your equipment in and out if you had to yes sir let's see can can I ask sinceer it gives you confidence on what it looks like right now but if there's any um but the confidence sorry is the confidence because there could any change that could be made is obviously going to have to meet a fire um code and I'm asking specifically on the south west corner by the restaurant where there's still a big question mark as to whether we can do a turnaround um are you confident because you know that in the future we can move the ameni but we're not sure not so sure right now because of the question marks out there right we've asked for alternatives to that uh current plan uh so we can put eyes on it I don't believe anything has been provided at this point um we'd like to see something in writing so that we can look at it but uh right now we're satisfied if that uh all comes together then that would be you know something that would could be considered so at what point in the process um do you get involved is it the site plan or when is it where you come in as a fire chief and the Fire Marshall and look at the plan and go yes we're good well the fire marshal is involved at every step so I'm not really involved with it at each step but uh if there's questions or concerns the Fire Marshall will obviously meet with me and we'll discuss it but uh at this point everything's been going uh as planned and no issues so far okay just to add to that they would be be very involved at the time of site review and site approval that's what I was really looking for site review thank you y that's all I have on the fire department if there's any specific questions Kelly can also answer those anything else good thank you sir thank you do we have any questions for Public Works [Music] I might have one if I can find it okay Mr Clark can you hear us I think he saw that yeah mayor if you'd like uh to take that break it was requested we can see what's going on with uh the connection here all right we'll take a brief recess we'll be back uh hard 605 thank you e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e Mr Clark can you hear us yes Mike Clark here Public Works director I consider SW thank you a few minutes no please tell me you can hear me we can hear you sir okay there's two different applications in Zoom I had to switch over to a second application so I apologize for that thank you uh the commission had a few questions for you sir who would like to go first I'm going to pass because mine is so technical Mike you don't have the big binder with you at home do you that we do not sorry okay I'll save it I'll I'll ask you on the side it was it was just a technical question I don't think most folks I'm pretty familiar with the project so if I can't answer any questions I'll give it my best shot if not we'll get back to you all right well I'll give it a try it just talks about sewage discharge rates and it says uh furthermore discharge will need to take place into a gravity manhole with pumping through the corresponding lift station rather than a direct Force main connection into the city's Force M as initially proposed can you boil that down into English for US history majors yeah sure not a problem um Force Mains can connect directly to each other however we prefer that to not happen because the Force main that we have is the main line for the entire trunk of the system so we're going to require that um the development go into our uh lift stations by way of a gravity gain pipe and so how they configure that uh is entirely up to them there's several different ways to do it we're happy to look at any alternatives but we're going to require them to come into our Li station or into a gravity uh fed um lateral line one of the two options okay we just all want two Force mans connecting got it thank you go ahead okay questions for Mike Mr Clark thank you thank you very much Mr Clark thank you question I'm not here no sir thank you that's all for questions okay thank you very much all right okay next we'll have the applicant uh start their presentation please mayor I have a question maybe Elise can touch on it but how how long do you estimate your presentation will be I'm not sure but we're going to go quickly because it seems like there's more questions and everyone saw the planning board um we have sort of paired down our presentation somewhat uh and we're going to start with the development agreement if that's okay because it sounds like that's where a lot of the questions are so hopefully that'll inform a lot of the rest of the presentation okay thank you uh good evening for the record Elise Batel Sterns Weaver Miller on behalf of the applicant uh for the Redevelopment of the trade wins this evening so I want to start here because there are a lot of questions about what is a development agreement why are we doing this development agreement from an applicant's perspective the only reason that we are requesting or feel the need for a development agreement is because we just came out of a pandemic and the thought is if we need need to pause we want the ability to have a little bit of flexibility instead of going forward with 10 years or or 15 years of constant construction it also relates directly to some of the community and the neighbors concerns about oh this is going to be Construction Construction we just got done with Gul Boulevard allowing one phase to go into effect get it built let it absorb a little bit to make sure that the market actually needs all of those units pause when it's time go forward with the next uh phase and that giv everybody a little break that doesn't necessarily mean that's how it's going to happen but it gives us the flexibility but what's important for the city I think and what you'll hear when you hear about all the things that we've agreed to in the development agreement is that flexibility comes at a really big cost for the developer there are so many additional things far above the code that cost almost $20 million that the developer has agreed to do as part of this development that that's what the city gets out of the bargain you get a lot more than otherwise would be required under the code so so that's um the trade-off so to speak so we are committing in the development agreement to a number of things in addition to what's in the cup but this is that the bargain for the 20 years um Public Access from Gulf Boulevard to the mean high water line that's that the three public beach accesses um the customary use easement a 10- foot sidewalk along Gul Boulevard the beachwalk it started out as an easement for the beachwalk but in negotiations with the city we are now paying and for the entire construction of the beachwalk and that is not that is as soon as the portion of the trade winds is permitted we will go in and do that and I want to pause here to to answer your question about the dunes and the beachwalk we recogn we don't love this scenary but we recognize that under this development agreement we could do the full Dune restoration the city could get permitting and that beachwalk might interfere with those dunes and we may have to go back and redo the dunes that is the requirement for us under this development agreement and we understand that so we hope that the city will get the permits and we can do it all in conjunction with one another but we recognize that there is a scenario where we may have to put Dunes in twice and that's Our obligation under the development agreement that internal roadway and access those are commitments in the development agreement the entire storm water and again you heard about storm water and the sidewalk being required to be constructed regardless of whether the other phases occur and and I want to clarify one thing because I'm not sure it was clarified it's six years from the date of the vertical permit for one phase so let's say for example phase one gets their vertical permit if we're not moving forward with the next phase of development within 6 years then we have to go ahead and put those the sidewalk and all of the storm water we have to do that all for the entire site so six years total from the date of permit so then you're going to have construction you're going to have Co to the next vertical permit for the next phase so it's really not that long a period of time if you think about all the things that have to happen between one phase to the next um Mobility Services facilities and improvements so I can tell you that Joe went and proposed this to the city and I think it was at about $250,000 total over the 10 years and and what he ultimately agreed to was $1.25 million in addition to impact fees over and above what he's already paying for impact Mobility fees for transportation um and these are requirements by the way that continue whether or not those phases are built he doesn't have a choice if he doesn't build phase three whether he has to pay for that freebie these are all of these Financial go obligations continue regardless of whether the development continues uh we already talked about the Dune restoration full Dune restoration during phase one and I do want to uh clarify the turtle compliance issue so the development agreement specifically talks about all new development being made Turtle compliant but when they talk about all existing buildings they don't just mean the lighting they have agreed and have to go in and they have to film every existing building that's built to comply with marine turtle lighting this is no easy task this is millions of dollars we costed it out that has to happen during phase one so the entire 25.26042 res Niki you mentioned what happens if the code changes well I mean you could change the code not to permit you know half of the building or different setbacks we have to be sure if we're going to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars providing these Community benefits that we can actually build the development um and so that's the certainty and that's why the development is is agreement is written the way that it is again we talked a little bit about this Brandon did but the waiver of continual construction we may continue to go forward I mean it may be that that those those units are needed but many times in the industry there's an absorption period so we'd like the flexibility to be able to do that as appropriate um beach access artwork um beachwalk all of these things are sort of really clarifications in the development agreement on behalf of the city uh the last thing I want to mention and I'll put this on the overhead is there were some questions about the unified site plan Covenant and how that works exhibit exhib ex Exhibit C to the development agreement specifically says that this property is considered one one zoning lot for development purposes this is a recorded document and it runs with a land and it specifically ties in all of the owners um in [Applause] perpetuity um you had one more question that I think related to the development agreement before we get into the main presentation and I think this was commissioner res Niki why is coral reef different it's different because coral reef owns the actual dirt underneath the buildings they own the fee simple title um with respect to jackar and Breen Ridge those are time share condo hotel type environments where I'm if I'm an owner in Breen Ridge for example I may own a fractional interest of a week to come visit a particular unit but coral reef Association they own the dirt underneath and therefore they have to join as a party so that was the distinction that you were asking about why did coral reef join in the application itself and why did the other associations not join um that's the legal or technical reason but do those owners um the condo Resort owners they pay property taxes yearly they pay association fees every month they pay maintenance fees to their Association I can't speak but some of the representatives are here and they could probably explain to you how they pay um there are board members here to speak and support um so they may be able to ask you or answer a little bit more about how their taxes are paid I for coral reef for example where you have owners um I think it's a little bit different than the time share units if I search on Zillow right now and look up available condal for sale I would find one for sale currently right now I don't know I know I can so yes you can um and it does state that they do pay monthly association fees and I can look up sure they pay's property appraiser site and they pay taxes on a yearly basis um my concern is when you think of or one of my concerns is and I forgot the the Senate bill number right now but I'm going to find it um 154 they own who owns the building the physical building which physical building uh Breen Ridge um Jack oranda I'm gonna ask Joe because you know more about the structure so as it relates please state your name and sorry Joe Smith 1825 Main Street Weston Florida uh and by the way haven't introduce myself but CEO of 1754 property so thank you so the uh bre R building it's actually the time share units are held in an air rights condo they actually don't own the building um and even more so we own the land underneath it as well as the first floor so explicitly were the fee title owners of that property um as it relates to Jack Aranda we also own the land under Jack Rand as well as all the first floor so you do have condo units above that but the fee type uh the fee title to the land and actually to the building below these units um is Fe fee simple for us okay would you be responsible then if um for inspections under under that Senate bill for the State of Florida are you responsible or are those owners responsible for assessments if required to repair those buildings the older buildings so we have agreements with both associations that stipulate under what circumstances the parties would contribute money um as you would expect right if something is within the hallways or whatever of the the condo units or the time share you would expect that that Association would to contribute um if it's something more structural nature there's a cost share Arrangement has an inspection been done yet for the 10 years um I'm not sure the last time an inspection was done thank you I've got a question so just to clarify the jackar Randa units or condo hotels and there's one individual owner per unit they're not time shares those uh some of the jackar Randa units are owned some owners own multiple units so for example you'll hear from two of the board members tonight I believe who own like together four to five% of the total units just the two people okay thank you was there any consideration offered to the coral reef Association in return for them joining your application we have a um uh a an agreement with them where we offer them certain uh help with um their parking uh as well as um you know a couple other items that I want to say I just I'm trying to recall the agreement in detail but yes there's a cooperation agreement there and there is I would say um you know things that are beneficial to Coral Reef are they also getting the preconstruction during construction and post construction um I think it said somewhere inspection like we're doing that was written for seamark uh so we have agreed um and as part of the development agreement to monitor the um the foundation of C Mark as as you know uh with cor weef we have not but the proximity of construction to cor weef I think is not the same as it is to C mark do we have a copy of the agreement with the coral reef oh no it's a private development agreement between the two parties okay um in that agreement though they share access they share parking and that the coral reef and the area around coral reef are one unified Consolidated lot under the Land Development code um and they're they are tied together so it would be impossible to apply for part of coral reef without the other because it's it's one lot under the City's code today certainly it'd be nice to understand if they're receiving some kind of compensation in in return for joining your application I'm going to let Joe address that because I don't have any idea yes so there are certain things they're giving us as well so um you know for for example one of our building has like a slight encroachment on technically what's their land so there's a given cooperation there but in terms of dollar compensation there's no dollar compensation to them but they're there benefits for both parties um discounts no okay thank you great perfect um thank you very much again Joe Smith uh Weston Florida um really appreciate the service you guys are doing I know this isn't Fun for any of you so I know it's been a lot of work and it means a lot to me it means a lot to the Thousand employees of tradewin so thank you all for the hard work you've done um 1754 properties is the sponsor applicant during the cup owner of Trade Winds who are we uh we're an institution owner operator lender developer asset manager of hospitality properties in the United States and Mexico um we have a considerable focus on the Tampa Bay area we have 1,100 um hotel and Hospitality rooms here in Tampa Bay um my partner Alex gallwitz and I are the owners of 1754 um so it's really just the two of us what we have been very fortunate to do is be able to build these high quality products you can see on the screen right now um these are all projects that we uh have owned or or own currently and um you know what's unique about these pictures it actually shows two properties that are both historically prot protected um and that goes to kind of the core who we are we're collaborators right we work with historical boards we work with environmental groups we work with the community we're known for being good at navigating situations where we need to gather a lot of different groups with different ideas together to get something done it's one of our Specialties um you know we've been very blessed that we've been able to do things like this because we have great financial resources among those resources have been the largest financial in institution in Kuwait uh pension plans of Fortune 500 companies endowments from universities some of the largest family offices in the world were truly fortunate that we've been very well financially backed throughout our careers and it's been great uh I've been an owner in 22 states around the United States um so have considerable experience in different jurisdictions and different things that we've done uh you know over our careers so um that's who 1754 is part of the process and something Brandon assess to the process is technical capability of development construction while we've developed we wanted to put together the 18 to do this the best team we could really come up with and that team includes uh groups such as uh which is um a global firm that does project develop project management development Redevelopment renovation work um they're a very large organization um has over 2,000 employees they've done over $300 billion dollar of that type of work um they've built things um that you may know of uh here in Florida for example the margarita Ville in Hollywood was built uh by them the second phase the Four Seasons down in Surfside is being built by them they've done things like the Steinway Tower in Manhattan which was 1,600 feet tall and a very skinny building hard to build so um very capable group they're already working on the process and in in anticipation of an approval and working on what we call request for proposals to make sure all the Consultants are ready to start doing all those technical construction drawings and work um so we're fortunate to have them the rest of the team I again I call it the Dream Team I'm truly fortunate to work with them Nuno Mark Des santis Architects Scott will talk in a little bit but you know they've designed about a dozen Four Seasons and half a dozen Ritz carltons these are luxury Architects and we wanted to send a message very clearly to the community that we were to design something topnotch and that's why we hired a true luxury I call them starchitects they're very well known in the industry and and they're you know known for those quality projects um Perry Becker is another group that is focused on landscape on mostly luxury projects um not only the United States but around the world top-notch firm they'll explain a little bit more of their backgrounds and who knew as civil engineers specialize in Hospitality but this one does Harris everyone thinks civil how can it be different well no they actually focus on some of the largest Resorts and highend Resorts uh again around the world of a global practice Steve will talk about his traffic engineering report he knows the area like the back of his hand and Greg will get into the economics study which I think everyone interested in the impact on St Pete Beach um one of the things that also I wanted to make sure it's clear is the financial capacity I know mayor you had a question um you know Brandon goes so lot so he probably doesn't remember but actually the letter is from our Auditors and which is CLA which is one of the top 10 auditing firms in the United States so if we can't rely on a top 10 auditing firm I don't know who we can rely upon but that that letter what it does it actually states that we have enough liquid resources to pay for the entire construction all the way through in cash without a loan so that is a big important thing I want to make sure that you all realize that this is by no means a financial stretch for us this is straight up in what we do and and easily capable with the resources we have um but at the end of the day who is the applicant we talked about coral reef it's true coral reef has over 2,000 owners that are applying with this it's very important for them that this be approved why because there is that beneficial you know uh uh cooperation they they need this uh so that they can operate their property and be you know conforming and complying as well with with the things that they have um but we're also the 288 Hotel condo unit owners with a several thousand um blg green owners who are recorded on the deed um but it's a much more massive uh uh Association behind that that's actually a global time share Association so um all those groups are very interested and I I think this is very important for them that something like this is improved um I think all those groups are represented today but really at the end of the day we're trade wins we're the stewards of the community we truly look at ourselves as stewards um you know after the hurricane it's us that are sending uh equipment over the city so that we help out repair and restore the city um it's us that at during the pandemic put our our people on Gulf Boulevard to hand out free groceries to everyone not just our employees but anyone who came who was you know drove up and you needed we laid off during the pandemic you needed food we did that we part partnered with feeding Tampa Bay um we partnered with sea tra trackers we're constantly in communication with them I'll leave the conversation about the whole compliance later because there's a lot to talk about there and you know we're we're just really thrilled to be here and and I know the Thousand employees at trade ons are really relying on this too to make sure that they have new back of house which means new showers for them and new Walker rooms and new break rooms and they don't have that stuff right now because we have a property property that needs to be redeveloped so um with that what I will do is I will turn it back over to Elise before you go we'll see if the Commissioners have any questions from Mr Smith I'm sorry I should have asked if there were any questions I apologize I've got a question what are the multiple tents that are out there right now so that's actually a question that a few people have asked me so we have a group in for Passover over the next couple weeks so there 10 will come down but because it's a kosher style of food preparation and the event they have to actually have separate kitchens separate um infrastructure so that uh the group can actually have their Passover and not necessarily mix with all the rest of the of the uh of the guests so it's a Passover event and it's a sellout of people coming in to stay at the hotel and and celebrate Passover there but that'll be gone in the near future anything else what is your average hold time for a property that you acquire so we're longterm owners um you know our hold for the hotel in downtown Tampa for example Hotel FL we call it which has just been redeveloped is minimum of 10 years we've always said this is a 20-year plan the fact that I've been saying for four years I guess means it's a 24 year plan but um we're there's no window in US selling trade Wis we don't have a vision for it we don't have a plan to sell it anytime uh in the near future I joke to leas that there's no way I can sell it because there's so many obligations up front whether it's the sidewalks that have to be built out all the way up and down Gul Boulevard or the storm water drainage it makes it very hard to sell a position like that so it's going to be us and we're going to have to build it out and that's the reality of the situation okay and this is uh from from the documents that you provided can you please collaborate on these are just the words in the document Mexican billionaires what's that Mexican billionaires for funding no we have a us uh institution that will fund us I mean right now for example I hope I'm not violating confidential agreements but like we have a loan from Blackstone so Blackstone is the largest private Equity Firm in the world so that's that's the kind of people we we deal with so your application States uh funding from Mexican billionaires and KU so that that's that's who we've dealt with over our careers so not in this project no but we have worked with Mexican billionaires and financial institutions from Kuwait but they're not involved in this project okay so black Stillness funding this project uh they have a loan on the property right now okay so is how is the Redevelopment funded then so as again we as information saying that the owners of trade wins we have over $600 million of liquidity so the project is $500 million in change so we have the liquidity okay great thank you thank you so would would that question I guess I'm still not understanding so are you planning on using liquid cash for the development or I I I think we want to send a message that this is not a stretch and we can do this the reality is it's real estate and the cost of money for a loan is always less so I would imagine that we'd probably get a loan not because we need to but because we want to although it's today's interest rates maybe that's not a good statement maybe we wouldn't but you know to'd be determined depending on the interest rates at the time depending on whether the loans are available but we're not going to slow down or stop given the debt markets it's it's either there and we like it or or we move anyway okay um another hold on don't sit down I got another question um give me a minute here well he looks for his question good that way there's no pause um since you mentioned um if this property um or kind of insinuate it let's just say that nobody would buy this property because of all the commitments that that are required for the property but now let's say if heaven forbid something happened then we end up having a property that no one would want to buy so forgive me because I speak in hyperbole sometimes but there would be a buyer for the property it's financially more challenging to enter a situation where you have to um if you want to stop for example doesn't matter you got to build out that sidewalk doesn't matter have to build out that storm water doesn't matter you need to build that Beach Walk Right all those things exist in our development agreement so for someone else to come new that gives them pause that's okay for us and the reason why we agreed to it is because we're going to build it ourselves right there's not a shadow of doubt in my mind that you know our intention is to move forward and build this and I qu canly would love to do it faster than 20 years but again we're being cautious all right got my question um with the existing buildings what type of remodeling will be or has already been done yeah so um as I think you know um I'm always saying which is the hotel goes in a seven-year cycle right uh the furniture the Furnishings uh Interiors are constantly wearing out 7 to 10 years so the hotel business doesn't allow you to sit there and say I'm going to renovate and sit here for 30 years like an apartment business might we're constantly renovating and I actually think as a good faith sign when you think about it what do we do we bought trade in 2019 then we bought the Alden then we spent $14 million renovating the Alden then we just ripped apart the bottom of of Breen Ridge we're spending what I thought was 15 is now $17 million on rebuilding food and beverage Outlets there we also renovated the lobby of trade wins when we first bought it so we haven't stopped fixing up the property since we bought it and I think that's really who we are and so if you kind of look at it from that perspective we that is our plan so we'll always have a renovation going on and fixing things up as things wear out but on the existing buildings we're obviously going to do the turtle compliance which has us redoing the windows and putting films in all the windows and that's immediate right that's in phase one that's that's an a now thing um but in addition um we'll redevelop those buildings as we see the economic need to redevelop them when I say redevelop them I'm not talking about just renovating them fixing them up I'm saying okay we now have a new phase one that's much more profitable it's at a higher rate uh we might make the decision and say okay it's time to redevelop some of the existing buildings to raise them to the level of phase one but it's worth noting and we've talked about this there are other parties involved there's a blue green time share there's you know 288 Jack Randa Hotel unit owners so I'm I'm cognizant of the financial burden that they would have to partake in for us it's easier we have the financial wherewithal but I want to be a good Steward to the other stakeholders in the property so I B I have to balance that act okay um my other question so going back to the condition 12 um about the Ford Diamond rated lodging for the new hotels so what currently are the existing hotels I'm not sure if they're Diamond rated okay great um oise has guided me so hold on a second here um the um so the the the the Ford Diamond I'm not sure if we have a diamond rating and I don't know if Travis or anyone knows if we have a diamond rating right now but the problem with uh the diamond rating is it takes things in its entirety so because the code encouraged us to have integration here and we've always talked about how we want to make this integrated a for Diamond uh person that's coming to rate the properties and a look at it as integrated property so they may look at it and say okay well one of the requirements is you have a special feature like a fountain on phase one the fountain may not exists but in phase two it does exist so the thing that we're going to have to work together on is just making sure that we contemplate the phasing of this so that the totality of the new buildings is consistent with four Diamond again I can't sit there and go to the jackar unit owners and say you know what um I agreed to afford d diamond Stander the new building so I want you to do that and now and by the way fund $100,000 each that's not reasonable it's not commercial so um you know we will and I know those unit owners want to constantly improve their units in that property but we have to be cognizant of the fact that you know making them for Diamond uh and holding the same standard is not a reasonable expectation that any of us can put on on those owners okay um and then yeah y before we leave that so after the planning board we started looking at the $ and um and we actually worked with staff to modify the condition that's there today because when staff originally wrote the condition it was that each new building would be for Diamond well that's fine but unfortunately the way that the regulations work for the the rating agency you look at the entire development so we do have some modified language for you to look at and that basically says when the project is complete because then we will have like for example one of the things that is requested in for diamond is a large Grand like log well that's coming in Phase 2 or three um uh upscale water features well that's coming in either phase two or three and so the way this condition was written we would be we would not be able to achieve that in phase one because some of the things that they're going to be looking for to establish that for Diamond happen in those later phases as well we have some of them but at as a whole so this acknowledges that it that the rating agency looks at it as a whole and that all of those new buildings would be developed with those standards um so I just wanted to submit this to the record question on that so by phase three would that be the time when you can get the rating because technically phe four isn't really well it's interesting you say that because they also talk about cohesive development cohesive landscaping water features we actually the the entire Landscaping won't be cohesive and complete until phase four we believe and this this requires us for all of those newly constructed buildings to be developed with those standards but every building isn't going to have everything on the check mark and it's a very um it's not as if you do these five things and you get the rating they come in and it's a subjective rating so we just want to make sure that the condition allows it to happen um you know over the course of the development but there is the requirement that the new buildings meet you know the the same level um and so we did work with staff a lot on this language to make sure that staff was comfortable that you were getting the quality cuz what you need right and what you're looking for is quality upscale nice development and that is what Joe is planning to build but we wanted to make sure the condition recognized how the agency rates the overall development um so Mr Mayor would you mind if I uh submitted this into the record for your consideration please thank you thank you any more questions for me yeah I've got one more so from a guest booking perspective what will it look like I mean assume it's going to be clear they they are going to know what they're paying for what they're getting yeah I I mean the hotel business one of the keys is to make sure you have different price points for different customers it doesn't really it's not optimal to have a hotel where you can only charge One Rate so we will operate them in that sense where we will have a I would say relatively lower price room which is the are the existing buildings I say relatively because it's still several hundred dollars a night um and then we'll have a very high-end room that would be higher but it'll be through one booking portal engine and it'll be known as trade on so we might have different building names so to identify where to go or how to navigate the property but uh it'll all be trade ones okay great anything else thank you thank you uh Elise Batel again for the record uh just a couple housekeeping items um we do have resumés um some legal memorandums that we'll be referring to and additional letters of support to submit into the record um if we may Mr Mayor certainly Suzanne would you please is there a reason these were not available before um the resumés I think they're probably already part of the record we're just trying to be careful and the two letters I could not find them in I believe that they were already submitted to the record but I couldn't find them when looking through the records uh the city record on so I wanted to make sure that they were in the record thank you you're welcome again for the record Elise Batel Sterns Weaver Miller 401 East Jackson Street representing the applicant Brendan's already taking you through um but I just wanted to give you a little bit of my experience with 1754 um many of you know that I have been working in Land Development since 1997 and and working usually for developers and it's rare um to find a developer that you turn to and say stop giving the farm away um but but that kind of happened in this situation I I've never before worked for someone that made my job so easy um we've been working I was not the first lawyer actually on this development I'm I'm the second lawyer and I came into the development and on the development team and Joe said what do you think the issues are going to be and how do you think I can address them now and that is how 1754 has been since the very beginning what are the issues what do you think the concerns are going to be and how can I make the project address those concerns before they become issues and concerns and then along the way when someone expressed a concern you know what he said and you know what they all said at 1754 yes we'll do that yes we'll do that yes we'll do that so I think the theme that you're going to see as you hear our testimony tonight is that they have gone above and beyond not only to provide significant Community benefits which we're going to go through at nauseum but to address specific neighbor concerns um specific neighbor concerns so we went into the weekend with zero neighbor concerns to address we have a couple that came in over the weekend that we're prepared to address um but but really going above and beyond so as listen tonight to all the fact testimony from our development team and the expert testimony that we're going to present to you tonight please pay particular attention to that how it exceeds code how the how the developer has gone above and beyond um not just how we're meeting the code but how we're exceeding the code and doing what I think is really turning the trade wins into what will be a true gym in St Pete Beach so I'm going to skip over the location I think that uh we all know the location of the trade winds I drove today and and when you drive down the road you forget how long the property is it's 1,700 ft of linear footage along Gulf Boulevard so it is it is a significant piece of property in the city um it is located within the community redevelopment District that is the area outlined in Blue on your screen within the community redevelopment District this property is located within the Gulf Boulevard Redevelopment District that's the dotted yellow line and even further within the Gulf Boulevard Redevelopment District this property is squarely in the middle of the large resort District you can see the property cross-hatched here and that tradewins really makes up a large portion of the large resort District um the provisions governing the community redevelopment District the Gul bulvard Redevelopment district and the large resort District in the comp plan take up 40 pages so when you hear you know Ken Mecha our our planning expert tonight talk about the comprehensive plan and how Redevelopment is supposed to occur in this location in this way there's 40 pages of it in the comprehensive plan dedicated just to these areas and I want to read you one quote before we start I did read it at planning board so I apologize if this is a duplication but I think it's really impactful given the trade wins and how the trade WIS has moved forward with this development and this is from the introduct introductory section to the community redevelopment District in most revitalization efforts one or more catalytic projects must be Pioneers in the market to lead the way to overall reinvestment in a community that raises the standard of quality for the entire Community we believe that the trade ons Redevelopment is that type of catalytic project the zoning and the future land use of this property are large resort the large resort District specifically states that the purpose of the large resort District the character district is to provide an economically feasible choice to pursue Resort Redevelopment and reinvestment as an alternative to high-rise Development I've said it before but I'll say it again today that you know your comprehensive plan is your road map it is exactly where you tell developers to and how to develop um and this comprehens your comprehensive plan encourages exactly this kind of development so the request um section 35.3 would allow us to develop as 63.8 Acres sorry temporary lodging units per acre um to build the guest Towers up to6 ft in height and to include two rooftop dining and drinking facil facilities one at the top of the phase 2 Tower and one adjacent to the phase 1 Tower closer to the beach overall there's a net increase over 25.26042 scale and massing is only 56.5% of the maximum that's allowed under the large resort District so we look at it as temporary lodging units but from a height and scale and massing perspective 56.5% of the max that we could ask for we talked about the development agreement so I'm going to skip that slide um you've heard that it's going to be a phased approach I don't need to belabor that but I do want to go into some timelines specific specifically and some Community benefits that occur at each phase because we got a lot of questions about this as the process went along so I want to spend just a touch of time so this is the conceptual timeline I'm going to go into this in detail so you don't have to look too closely but what I want you to pay attention to is the three green bubbles I'm color blind so when I was going over this I called them yellow but they're green the three green bubbles on the top they're really the development phase so there's one year of predevelopment where we're going going through permitting and then typically a couple years of construction um so that's a really a threeyear window from the time that we get our permit to the time that that that project that phase is built out underneath what you see are the community benefits and what I want you to notice about the slide is how those Community benefits are really heavily weighted towards the beginning towards phase one phase one as you heard is 154 temporary lodging units including 5,946 Square ft of beach front restaurant there will be a new pool amenity and a parking garage closer to Gulf Boulevard I want to break this down into phases because one of the things that we heard is oh my gosh as you walk down Gulf Boulevard there's going to be all these big buildings and that's all you're going to see the building setbacks particularly the building setbacks for the larger hours are really important in Phase One the parking garage which is much lower is set back 50 ft from Gulf Boulevard from the property line the tower is set back 244 feet Scott will show you the updated renderings but but that's significant the public benefits that you're going to be getting at the end of fa by the end of phase one with only the construction of 154 temporary lodging units are as follows a 30 foot I think Brandon misspoke he said 20t but it's a 30 ft public beach access along the southern boundary of the property all along the southern boundary by C mark an additional 10-ft temporary beach access um in the location that we'll talk about it a little bit later a full Dune restoration on the entire 1700 square or linear feet the customary use eement which is the beach a access along the wet sand the 15 ft beach access that happens right away as well and the marine turtle compliance I don't want to underestimate this or or deemphasize it it is a huge undertaking and we have agreed to do all of that for the entire property not just the lighting the existing lighting but the filming all of the existing buildings so that during phase one the entire property will be Turtle compliant now it is compliant today under today's standard but we're going to bring even the existing buildings up to current standards so I don't want there to be a miscommunication there when someone said you're going to bring it up we're compliant today but we're going to bring the existing buildings up to the current code which are more strict regulations than what they had when the buildings were built so just want to clarify that the 10-ft sidewalk for phase one and improve storm water for one all of those things happen in phase one that is is a lot of investment a lot of infrastructure investment and a lot of community investment right away in phase one phase two comprises 261 temporary lodging units it's actually only 240 net units there's some demolition that goes on as part of that and some of those units will go away about 14,33 net new square fet of meeting space 27,2 120t of retail and restaurant this is this is sort of the Hub of the restaurant and retail area for the Redevelopment 9,630 ft of office um a portion of garage 2 I mean there will be Standalone construction but garage 2 will span over uh phase two and phase three new loading areas and a new resort entry and Lobby going back to that four dime in that really Grand Lobby that that's happening between phase two and three the building setbacks are similarly impressive I think um From The Towers so I'm going from left to right on the left side of your screen 50ft setback to the meeting space building which is closest to Gul Boulevard 167 ft set back to Tower number two so really far off the road same thing when you go to your right 50ft set back to the retail that's going to be right along W Boulevard to really activate that pedestrian space the lower garage is set back 111 ft from Gulf from the property line and 174 ft back to the upper garage so lots of wedding cak stair stepping back to concentrate the main part of the development towards the center of the property and away from the property boundaries is meeting space is the same as Conference Center yes so want to make sure of course um so phase two the benefits that are coming along with fa from phase two are the view tariffs for the public now Joe I'm not going to steal this thunder he wants to talk a lot about that but the public View Terrace will be on the top of the phase 2 Tower so that happens in phase two the continued expansion of the access road during phase two two of the 10 curb cuts that are currently along Gulf Boulevard will be eliminated helping with that in andout of traffic and six of the 10 freebie payments occur during this phase storm water of course continues to be improved phase by phase please stop me anytime you have questions um phase three is 253 new temporary lodging units what I'm sorry I'm numbers dyslexic I'm going to do that all night so listen to the screen not what Elise says 235 new temporary lodging units um 8,158 ft of retail and restaurant the second parking garage will be fully built out with that second portion uh there will be a new permanent beach access if you recall during phase one in the middle of phase three there'll be a temporary well now it becomes permanent because the the development will be reconstructed in phase three and another elimination that be a 10 foot as well as a temporary is that 10 feet yes 10t it may be a little wider in Parts but a minimum of 10 ft and again just to emphasize the setbacks per phase the lower garage is 61 ft from the property line at Gulf Boulevard the tower is 256 ft setback from the property line the benefits that occur during phase three and then that is 235 temporary lodging units continue expansion of the access road uh we're closing an additional curb cut along Gul Boulevard the final four payments of $125,000 each happened during phase three um the second beach access is made permanent and we have improved storm water phase four doesn't I've got a question on phase three so I'm trying to get a the Porto coare for the Alden yes the fountain I noticed recently started working again which is good um when will that be removed so it is slated as part of phase four so there's a new Lobby office that goes to that portion of the development um we complete the frontage road but when we when we go in and complete the frontage road that's actually right where the frontage road is going to go and so that portica will be torn down at that point and the frontage road will come in that general area I'm trying to I'm trying to get a clear like a picture of that from the renderings of where exactly that'll be can you do me a favor can you pull out the renderings and just show where the portic cochet is going to be demolished visually oh yeah yeah I let Kevin do it it'll be quicker than me you're looking at this scot eisenhart nunz Marcus s Architects the lower left corner of the picture uh you see a space that is the existing that's the facade of the Alden building after the orc shair is removed okay so that's what's directly across the street from 59th Avenue correct okay understood thank you please so Joe Smith again for the record so uh the obligation to the portic share is is extended but we're waiting to see if we get the C and if we do get the C we have offers currently to turn that space into like a shop so if we do the shop the pure share comes down so I would say even though the obligation is an extended period of time it's more likely that if we do get the cup we'll immediately start negotiating for that space and likely take that that go share much much much sooner okay that that was my question cuz that I mean quite frankly that looked pretty nice for many years when it was the AL in you know there's 100 I 120 130 homes in that neighborhood that when they leave their house in the morning that's the first thing they see so right yeah know we're we're aligned in that way we don't think it looks good either so I'm happy to take it down to soon as feasible thank you and I think Joe was alluding to but part of it is what user going to be there if it's going to be retail or whatever that the buildings you know that area of the Alden will be a little bit different with the retail so we don't know who the end user is so we don't have a closeup of what that's going to look like but okay thank you of course so phase four is the um obviously is when the Alden will be removed but it could be before um the Alden portic CET there's a new beach access as you know along the northern property boundary and the the final three driveways are eliminated at that point in time and the roadway completed um again Landscaping will all be cohesive at that point um and everything will be tied together I've got a question there on why not put in the north beach access sooner Joe that's a business question uh Joe Smith again the um so the north beach access part of doing that is is actually eliminating some of the parking spots and taking them from perpendic perpendicular the access to parallel I'm not sure what that does the parking requirements Park parking compliance so there's a whole knock on effect that goes with it but um I think if you said Hey look it's really important that we get a temporary one done until you get the permanent one done I think that's probably something we can we can work on so that it works functionally but I'm just worried about doing the permanent one because that means I have to start moving parking which has a ripple effect on how I comply with my phases my development and the cup and everything like that okay in that particular easement what's the width for that one um and and I know it's going to change in different areas so there is a pinch point right by the Rumfish building which I would say off the top of my head is more like five s feet it's like 45 Ines yeah it's it's right where those restrooms are that little pinch point but then the rest of it is meant to be a 10t I believe is what we we designed yeah okay and because the restrooms are there at that end does that mean that's going to be relocated since it's a public beach access no I I think the restrooms and the guests um and I think as I've mentioned before our whole philosophy in this design is bring the the residents the community into our property this isn't Miami Beach where we're going to build big Hedges and there's a boardwalk and don't come on my property the opposite so we don't mind if people are actually walking along that way right by where our guests are sitting if they want to come over and buy a drink and sit down God bless that's wonderful so it's meant to be all integrated it's meant to be functional it's meant to have residents coexisting with gas all together great thank you um and just to highlight the setbacks the in phase four the setback from the property line to the parking deck is 238 feet and to the phase four Lobby that's 462 ft so significance that ta the final benefits uh that occur in Phase 4 the entire Access Road Frontage Road will be completed three final curb Cuts will be eliminated um the third permanent beach access it sounds like there's a request for a temporary one so the the permanent beach access will be installed and the storm water improvements will be complete again we talked about this with respect to the development agreement but the full storm water compliance and complete sidewalk Could Happen much earlier if there's a delay at all in between the vertical permits of one phase to the vertical permits of another phase of more than six years so these These are worst case scenario timings that we're talking about these things could happen much sooner and as we've been talking it makes sense to do some of these things sooner as we're redeveloping units I've got I've got a question sure on that um so at completion there will be four total curb cuts for 10 to four okay and one of them two is a service more like a a truck entrance so there's really three main entrances and Scott can talk a little bit more when he talks about site about how that delivery works but it's it is technically an access point but it will be mostly functional to go into the back of house so the two middle ones would be right in right out only and the other two on the North and South End would be at lights yes okay so right in right out and then two at lights okay thank you you're welcome um we're we're very aware about the beach access and the fact that the residents in this area really need um and deserve more beach access so we talked about the fact that the project is going to provide a number of those beach access points again just to highlight 30 feet beautifully landscaped you'll see the renderings in a little bit along that southern boundary um adjacent to C Mark the 10-ft temporary public beach access and ultimately at phase three permanent um through the middle of the property that's going to be very near the crosswalk near 58th Street um we're also providing the 50 15ot customary use wet sand I call it the customary use easement along the wet sand and during phase three um the temporary public beach access become just a second on that on you said the wet sand but are are we talking about landward 15 ft yes okay so that's not it's dry at that point 15 the way that it's written in the documents it's 15 ft landward of the wet sand so no matter where the high tide is there's always an additional there's there's plenty more when it's low tide but there's always going to be enough room to walk and Traverse and put a chair and I want I want to clarify one thing because there was a question regarding the beach access someone asked what happens to the temporary beach access if it doesn't move forward the development agreement specifically says that the temporary beach access terminates AO automatically when the permanent beach access is constructed and Seed which means it doesn't go away if the permanent one is not built in phase three so that's how the development is agreement is written today so that would be a continued obligation no matter what and then of course um we talked about the beachwalk and the fact that that would be another way for pedestrians to travel and another beach access really for the entire Community can I ask a few questions on this one um the beachwalk in the middle was it ever considered because I'm thinking of the Meandering right there's a lot of Meandering has to go through to get to to The Far Side was it ever considered and maybe because it's not possible but it would be good to know publicly on the Northern side of coral reef instead of doing the Meandering was it ever considered to put it on the Northern side along the coral reef and Meander one step to the North and then between the Alden and coral reef which would be your property obviously yeah so so we looked at a variety of different locations commissioner um and one of them including like the area between Alden and coral reef if that's what you're getting towards the problem is is there's a whole series of buildings uh and electrical work behind those buildings where you just can't have people walk wide enough and I obviously can't take property away from Coral Reef from for this benefit um more Northern of their of their property so um it wouldn't be it would be keeping their property as the wall and using the width to the north of it and and the only reason I'm bringing this up obviously is to prevent this Meandering um you know when I walked a couple of times your property it it's a lot to have to walk if you're coming with your family and trying to get to the beach and you've got to pass you know a couple of ice cream shops on the way and not make it you know so I was just trying to think of a direct route you know how do you get there so can I piggy back on that really quick before yeah this one's this one's important for residents who live in Bia Shores 59th AV um you know because there's a good amount of homes back there and it's I mean sure they can walk North sure they can walk south but it's quite quite a walk so this middle one is is important and it's important to clearly understand where it's going to be when it's temporary and what that's going to look like cuz where a lot of people have cut through directly across from 58th AV it's been a construction site for past I don't know how many months years so I just trying to get a better understanding of what the temporary one is going to look like as well um so for the record Kevin R also was turn Miller um the so commissioner Phil to your point that's why it's located where it is is because it was to try and give access more near the center of the site it it the Meandering is a result of trying to have an entry point from Golf Boulevard closer to to where it's shown there so that was the question I was going to have but to to further uh answer your question the the problem with where the temporary one is going to be is because as construction staging and construction phases happen it might have to move but the the location of where it starts would be approximately there and we have a we have a a slide that um I'll pull up while we're continuing on that shows the range of what it could be but it's going to start in about the same spot and it just may move you know north or south as you cross the property during construction during construction right so during construction if I'm understanding it's going to be through that parking lot that shell parking lot right now where big tent is currently it it it could be portions of it there um I mean Jo Joe might have more specifics on that I'm just talking about why it was chosen that way I I mean what this line does and what the temporary uh axis does is basically replicate what they're doing right now right this is exactly the path they take right now if it's going through that parking lot it's going through that Sandy gravel area if you will um so the temporary one will Traverse the same area because that's what it is until we redevelop it so it's that's the condition of of of today so I I really have to redevelop that phase to have anything different there but yeah to be most convenient for them it's going to replicate what they do today which is go right through that parking lot which is kind of where the red line goes cuz cuz that access on the property is north of where um where the crosswalk is right so if we if we wanted to shift the red line down a little bit so that it could be if it's north so that the initial point is more aligned with a crosswalk the problem is the further south you go you have a big car entrance there with that big you can see it on the screen where that that ramp goes up in a in a in a portic coet so as we move it further south all a sudden you're having people come in right where there's a lot of cars circul ating and I don't think that's wise so the red arrow in the center is that where the crosswalk is currently roughly I think it's a north of it a little it's a little South I'm sorry if you want to speak please step forward and apologies with s Architects the crosswalk is slightly south of of Thea understood to Joe's Point uh right where the arrow is is the elevated crosswalk that providing over the frontage road and that's right where the road starts angling up so it'd be extremely difficult to get people across right at the crosswalk uh and still maintain the arrival sequence I understand thank you can I ask one other question on the beachwalk sorry sure no worries I was looking at it while you and actually your next picture might show it even better when I kind of quickly saw it um because that looks like what it is currently correct yes okay so currently you have um behind coral reef it's very Sandy and I guess it's a water basin if I'm I'm correct or incorrect um because a storm water drain spills out um towards uh the sand basically because and I think I saw in the storm water presentation has a good graphic of how it drains today the existing conditions correctly which might be that natural that is mentioned in the staff report um the beachwalk is being is stated that it's going to be designed by the city so how is that coin going to kind of mash together because it doesn't exist right now there's nothing there at Sandy so how do we coordinate this the city is going to have to get that permitted through FD um and so what is on the plan is conceptual fdp may say it needs to be a little bit landward it needs to be a little bit seaward we don't know exactly where it's going to be so it's drawn conceptually on the plan it may Meander in a different way we just don't know that's really up to the state regulatory agencies but once the city obtains the permit the development requires that we fund the construction so and and Joe are you the you're constructing and like physically constructing and paying for it physically constructing and paying for the construction did I answer your question yeah I'm trying to figure out the coordination like what we expect for it to and trust me I don't know either then I don't know because you don't well the city is going to permit it so you guys have a plan that you will submit if if I may speak on that the the permitting has kind of been started but the way it looks will be a your decision the cost Associated and how it's built will be burdened by the developer but you the commission will have a say in what we decide to permit behind so if there's something placed there temporarily um and I think you all called it one time the bamboo mat for example that would move or disappear oh yes okay thank you of course I want to talk a little about integration and I want to expand a little bit from what we talked about in the planning board because I there have been questions and I want to spend a little more time on that um this project is not just about the new development uh while we're adding guest rooms we're also taking a sort of disjointed campus and we are unifying it in a cohesive way I mean that is a deliberate part of this Redevelopment project trade wins will be a fully integrated site in a number of ways and I'd like to go through those there is one management team for the entire Resort there is a single Administration there is central booking when you go online to book at the trade ones you go on to book at the trade ones I mean it is one Resort in that way there is also functional site integration and by functional site integration I mean how is it going to operate functionally right the resort there is a new back of house that Scott's going to talk about more when he talks about the architecture that's like Disney where all this back of house stuff is sort of buried where nobody can see it fully integrated for the entire Resort all of the amenities are shared amenities it doesn't matter if you're staying in this building or this building or this building they want you as a development team as an owner of a resort to go use all of the amenities that's just good business for them it is fully integrated there's also development or site integration and what I mean by that is how is that site from a Development and Construction standpoint how is that cohesive and integrated you you will hear and you probably did hear there is a comprehensive storm water system that will be integrated throughout the entire site the Frontage Road is going to take all of that vehicular traffic onto the site that is functionally integrating the site from a vehicular Transportation perspective there is going to be this massive cohesive Landscaping plan which you'll see in the renderings that's going to tie the site together visually and also it's going to enhance The Pedestrian experience along Gul Boulevard right you're going to have consistent Landscaping go all the way up with consistent architecture um consistent colors it's also going to be branded and themed the same I mean it's going to be the trade one Resort and you're going to see that on signage and on buildings just as you do now from an architectural integration perspective the existing buildings are going to have similar paint tones uh as they're all going to be similarly painted so from a visual perspective you're not going to see this colored building and this colored building um there's also going to be an emphasis and Scott can talk about this a little bit more but to the horizontal band treatments that are already existing on the existing buildings that's going to carry through to all the new resort to all the new buildings um and then these consistently themed rurals that you'll see throughout the the water and the Sea Life the idea is that yes you've got some old buildings and yes you have new buildings but it is going to be a fully integrated site I thought about this my son is in Napa California in culinary school and I went to book a hotel it's called The Harvest Inn and it's in St Helena and you go on and you book and you can either stay in the main house you can stay in the vineyard little houses or you can stay in these little citas they're all look they all look a little different they were probably all built at different times and they all cater to different folks that are coming to stay there it's just like this I mean that is how the hospitality industry grows that's how a resort grows over time um so this is definitely an integrated Resort since you're on that picture is the water feature staying or re being revamped just to know for water purposes how many other fountains or fountains we're keeping which one are we talking about this water Fe yeah the Rumfish Fountain it's currently there yeah again Kevin Rally For the record and Brandon can confirm this but one of the things that was um discussed at length when dealing with you know basically water saving uh concerns was whatever fountains end up being constructed are going to be no more and Brandon forgive me I don't know if you know the exact language but we're not going to increase any water feature from what is there today so um that that if it's going to stay or go it's still going to have to meet that condition so we're not we're not going to expand the fountains or the water features on site okay so do you know what fountains are considered current right now for trade ones I you have a lot of water features on site you you have koi ponds you have that's a Joe and Scott question because Scott get calculation or the check Scott eisenhart the Santa Architects uh the body of water includes the Lagoon all of the fountains uh the pool areas it's a holistic count of all bodies of water uh that currently exist on the property and that the new design will maintain that will not exceed the existing uh volumes of water does that include the pools that are there too yes okay thank you so I'm going to pause for a moment and just make sure there's no additional questions based on the factual information that I just presented to you before we go on to traffic excellent um with that I'll turn it over to Steve Henry our transportation engineer good evening Steve Henry with linkon Associates 5023 West Laural Tampa 33607 and we conducted the traffic analysis for the project um you know from this standpoint I'm very familiar with the property in fact uh we owned a property here for about 20 years at jakaranda uh don't own it anymore but but did for about 20 years uh but I am a professional engineer registered in the State of Florida with about 40 years of experience um so first is the methodology so we worked out a methodology uh with both your city staff the dot and also your uh traffic consultant with the city basically what we have done is we used the it trip generation data uh for it uh we also added the existing traffic for the sarata uh Cory landing and Maramar uh then we also used the do model um for the project one of the other things that we did for this project was as indicated this is for phase one for a 5-year buildout but what we did is we used the full buildout of the project so all um 629 rooms excuse me for a moment if you're not part of the press please have a seat or vacate you can have a seat or you can step outside sorry about that no problem but we want to make sure that we can hear you sure sure thank you please proceed so right so so we looked at it from you know with with the traffic for the five years we looked at full buildout traffic for that uh and then in addition as Brandon had indicated what we're going to also do when we update the analysis we will also do new counts every five years to look at one what is the actual growth rate on the road and then also look at the actual volumes on the road both at our Drive ways and along the study Network for the project but based on the results of the analysis that we've done you know all the roadway segments operate at at a volume to capacity ratio of less than 0.9 in addition to that we looked at the intersections both our driveways and the driveways with roadways within the area of the project all of them operate at acceptable level of service at buildout of phase one of the project and what this graphic represents are are the roadway networks that we looked at the roadways that we looked at within our study the blue represents the background traffic it was in the analysis the red represents our traffic and again the buildout traffic which is actually four times what the phase one traffic is so we've actually put four times as much traffic in the in the phase one analysis and then the green represents the available capacity that will still be on the roads after we do the project for phase one so as you can see on every one of them there is still available capacity on the roadways I have a quick question on that last slide um if I could the the the buildout traffic is at full buildout is the non-project traffic is that today's non-project traffic or is that non project traffic estimated that is that using today's volumes yep then we grew them at 2% per year okay for 5 years okay then we added in so that's a that's a five years from now background traffic and then we added in not on top of the 2% we added in the other projects CA koi Landings and Maramar so that's the total traffic at that 5year period perfect thank you sure and this is just kind of a graphic to kind of represent you know kind of order of magnitude of what you the number of cars so you example on the Bayway uh that we expect to have um on that particular Road you know 56 eastbound volume again this is buildout our our buildout traffic so not phase one but buildout uh 44 westbound so that equates to you know about a car a minute when you look at what we're adding to on Gul de Bay about 122 Northbound 97 southbound again around two cars per minute so again and this is build out again four times what we're anticipating for phase one and the same thing on 75th so about two cars per minute so that concludes my presentation unless you've got any questions for me we certainly do pardon say we certainly do how many traffic analyses have been done for this project in the last two years we we have done one one traffic study for the project prior to you there was I believe there was one done prior to us okay how do your findings compare with the prior study submitted by the applicant how ours compare relatively the same I don't think there's there's a tremendous difference both both of them showed there was sufficient in capacity on the roadways okay I haven't gone through you know as far as their trip generation specific numbers but both of them showed the same conclusion there was sufficient capacity questions okay if you go back couple slides to the uh there we go how many cars are you adding per day per day get to that table we actually have the so what we did was a PM peak hour analysis because that's what was required so we didn't do a daily trip generation for that can we multiply by 24 or well it's not a it's not a I understand so so so how many cars per hour so for the PM peak hour the the again buildout of it with the 629 rooms and the 177,000 feet of retail it is adding new trips to the road around 400 trips per hour per that's in the that's in the PM peak hour yes okay now phase one doesn't have any retail that that's in here and it has a quarter of the number of rooms so again looking at worst case to make sure we had that or at least from a trip generation standpoint in addition that we're adding to the project again we wanted to look at to make sure as far as the buildout traffic not just phase one okay so if we're calculating 2% a year increase yes that's what we're calculating right so corre you're currently at I mean you're not giving me any really numbers to work with here so I'm guessing 1300 car on Gulf Boulevard on Gulf Boulevard based on your chart right there correct okay and then you're adding 400 well they they are going in different directions but yes the total traffic added to for the project would be 400 but you have ones going north and south and then also to the east so they're not all on one segment pardon where they going east well you've got on 59th you've got some some you know a minor amount of traffic on 59th minor amount of traffic on 55th so you've got some traffic going there golf winds okay so if we take 1300 and we add 2% a year where do we end up at 20 years right right that that is that that's football and that's why what we've agreed to on this is instead of doing a 20-year buildout and saying okay this is what it's going to be in 20 years what we're agreeing to do is in in the next phase is come back to you with a new analysis to evaluate at that point in time are we at 1300 are we at 1,800 are we at 1,200 where are we and that's that was the whole purpose in doing this was so that you are not approving a 20-year projection of traffic and looking at that and and we'll go back out and we count the driveways we count the roadways and we evaluate it at that point in time to see what are the projections what are the numbers and whether or not what we have projected is the correct number if it's not then we we look at it from that standpoint so if you come back in 5 years for phase two and you at 2,000 cars an hour are you going to stop phase two and three then we will have to mitigate for that how are you going to mitigate that depends yeah again we're subjective as to what what the impact is if the impact is having to do intersection improvements we we may have to do that it depends on what that failure if there is one what it is and then we'll evaluate it from a transportation standpoint is what that mitigation might be okay so how would you mitigate being at level F again there's there's many ways to do it there's intersection improvements there's Corridor improvements there's timing improvements there's you know putting in fiber optic interconnection to between the signals to get them to fun function better there's multiple different ways and in five years it could be a whole another way of traffic uh integration so we don't know at this point in time but there there are ways even today that we would do it if it was failing as far as potential mitigation we'll just have to deal with that at that point in time and that's why we set it up this way is to give you more comfort in hey we've got to come back we got to look at it we've got to tell you what that is and what if there is mitigation what that mitigation may be okay so if we took 20 years at 2% increase where do we end up we end up above the capacity sure but we know that that's that that is a a sustainable growth for 20 years isn't that what F thought requires no that is not what F thought what do they require they it is different for every road and different for the reality is we looked at the regional model which is what do uses when do does a road they use the regional model we looked at the growth in the regional model it is not 2% we agreed to 2% in this traffic study it is not 2% so we don't know it may be one the reality is on a long term it may be 1% it may be half a percent it may be three but that's why we're doing it for this but do does not have a standard you have to use 2% it's different for every roadway dot has historical numbers they go out and they have counts all over the state all the roadways they have and we use that data to look at there's different there's road to have excuse me Sheriff all gentlemen given multiple Fair warnings now right here in the third row from the front stripe shirt it's like a what's going on I apologize for the interruption um way so you know they their growth rates anywhere from half a percent or no no growth to 5% just depends on the area and what what's happening in the area and that's again why we will come back in five years or the next phase whatever that might be and evaluate that at that point in time you mentioned Regional does that incorporate St Petersburg pelis County it it is it is a district 7 Regional model so it covers all of District s of dot so it goes all the way from um you know Hillsboro County up to Hernando County and down to pelis yes right it's pelis and then over to Hillsboro County so that's district 7 dot so it's a regional model and it's that model that dot has developed can you remind us or actually not remind us we haven't this yet thinking of a different a different conversation we had once um so let's say we get to the point phase three where we hit 100% capacity um and the mitigations can't keep up what happens then in your in your mind well again that's that's to to be determined I mean what that mitigation may be um you know again there's a multitude of different options that can be done and again if phase three is in 15 years there could be a lot of different you know it could be a lot more autonomous vehicles around the road which adds capacity there's all kinds of different things that can happen in 15 years in the transportation system that may come about that that may help the system okay but I mean is there a point where it hits a level like 100% And then that moves us into some different well then we would we would have to do mitigation for that I mean the mitigations okay it could be you know under today's rules it would be you know paying a prop share for potential intersection improvements roadway improvements those type of things have you ever had a project where you or experience in a situation where the level of service did go poor sure sure and what type of mitigation strategies were done in that particular instance yeah we we've done everything you know over the years from you know again intersection improvements roadway widenings those types of things um were those projects in a pause while that's completed first or is it done simultaneously it's done as a part of the approval process for the projects and then that is typically put into you know whether it's a development agreement or the approval as to what that mitigation is but that but and this same thing this would be done as a part of the approval process for that increment of development and so it's a part of the conditions of approval it would have what that mitigation might be and maybe at after maybe at least you could help address that that when a traffic study is um you get to the phase you do contingency then we go to site review and then deal with you know getting strategies to improve before continuing or is it done simultaneously so first let me clar Steve said this but I just want to clarify when we're talking about the number of trips on the roadway Steve studied as if today we're going to build 629 units not 154 which are going to come on the roadway but 629 and the roadway still shows that has plenty of capacity we're going to come in at the beginning before we can go through site plan approval for phase two we have to redo everything that Steve just did and do a brand new Transportation study and study the roadway from new um we feel really comfortable given the numbers that Steve put into his model and the fact that this is a completely overconservative methodology um in a number of ways that in 5 years the roadway particular given what's happening that the roadway is still going to be fine but if it isn't then we have to come back and we have to explore with the city through the site plan process what that mitigation looks like is that intersection improvements is it Side Road improvements is it paying a prop share or is it a combination of all of those things um we do this all the time yeah did that answer the question okay Mr city manager do we have any ulations in the development agreement as to what happens if level of service exceeds 90% not I'm aware of thank you sir well and and the the the 90% what that threshold is under the panel's guidelines is at that point you do detailed intersection analysis not that you necessarily fail because one is is the level of service but what what that is it says okay you're does not allow us to go past a certain threshold so and the development can't be approved if it's shown to go past a certain threshold correct so if we go past that threshold in five years what happens to the rest of the development the an the real answer is we don't know because it's not in the development agreement so maybe that's one of the things that we'll look at later yeah sure you stated that and I'm quoting Minor Adjustments were made to the model out output what adjustments it's just some minor as far as tweaking the the percentages of of the distribution right at the site just some minor you know percent here percent there but that was really it the majority of the the model was was used in the distribution but it does it does assign traffic to centroids that you had said on the east side the road so we made some minor adjustments because it just shows it going right into a centroid so we made some minor adjustments on the when you look at our graphic as to where those traff they actually be going they have to be going into a road well if you have minor roads in the model they aren't shown up they just showed up as a centroid so we had to make some minor adjustments to that to put them on a road like 59th like 55th so so those minor adjustments are what we did it says it was done based on local knowledge on the roadway Network so what what nocal knowledge did you use 20 years of of living or at being at Jack Aranda and trade winds and knowing the area so we made some adjustments to where those car when the model shows it going east it's going east somewhere whether it's to the retail on the east side of the road whether it's to n you know 59th whether it's to 55th so we made some did the assignment based on knowledge of that area and what what we've got in in the Project based on your data what's the traffic distribution exiting your property South and North the the model determined the North and South really the the Minor Adjustments that we made were that those trips that were going east what's the percentage let me rephrase the question it's 63 North is what we had and 29 South that doesn't seem to add up to 100% no I saying that's that is what was on and say that's what was on GF Boulevard then there are ones that are going East to those centroids to the east of gol Boulevard so you're saying leaving your property 7% of people are going into the neighborhoods or or to the retail along Gulf Boulevard I can tell you from being at trade wins we many times went across the street went to the you know some of the restaurants or the retail or those type of things so that's so yes some of that is so that that's what the model we're showing so we made those adjustments accordingly again we're using the model because that is what is the most uh as far as being the best data that we've got to be able to give us a distribution that is you know based on actual U dot information okay so I'll rephrase it a second time at 59th Avenue or any of your property exits s 55th Avenue when people leave your property some will use those Road just which direction are they going North South by what percentage do you have do you have a traffic do you have a count at the curbs do you have any data like that's hard data not a model but rather actual numbers where you count it how many people go south at 55th how many people go north on 55th we do we do have counts that that we did uh for those driveways great so what are the percent what's the split going south and what I'd have to I I don't off top of my head I don't have this I can certainly um take a look at those and add them up and give you what those numbers are that'd be great sure in your analysis you stated that this project is a full service Resort amenities are available onsite included full service restaurants pool Fitness sporting recre ation facilities gift shop other retails for the Commissioners who want to follow along I'm on page uh 348 second paragraph the large array of amenties will include will reduce the number of external trips generated by the project because guests will have the option to use on-site amenities if they choose are you saying that because of the type of property it is we're going to have less traffic because fewer people will be inclined to leave the property is that what this says what what we're saying is yes that that that because uh if you had a resort hotel that had no restaurants no fitness center know that that people would then have to leave the property whereas with all those amenities people are staying on the property and not having to leave to go to restaurants or go to you know drinking bars or whatever else so yes the answer is that does help the internalization and keeping more people on the property on page 374 you're giving us land use code 330 correct Resort Hotel yes correct when is this data from where is it from it when when when was this data obtained I'd have to look at the it code on that um I think I got this right here this this data is from the um it 11th Edition that has studies that go back many years um sorry you say the 11th Edition 11th Edition correct you have the 10th edition in here in where in your report uh I think that's I think what you're looking at is the backup from some of the the studies that we use for background traffic because their studies were based on 10th edition but ours was 11th Edition when you look at at the trip Generation Um printouts ours is 11th Edition but there but some of the older studies that we included as background traffic those were 10th edition okay well I'll help you out here I'll read it from your documents the site surveys the sites were surveyed in the 1980s and 1990s in California Florida and South Carolina so we're using codes for properties that were surveyed 40 years ago 50 years ago yeah I understand but the reality is that that that is the know it is the Bible in addition to that we did counts at the driveways now we didn't use that for trip generation purposes we only did a one day count but when you looked at our actual driveway volumes compared to we used in the study as far as a per room trip generation the existing was much lower but we used the it numbers as opposed to existing numbers the existing numbers don't have the amenities you mentioned sure they do there's absolutely restaurants there today there's there's recreational items there there's there there's exactly the same stuff that that's in the what we're building now there may be more when they're done significantly more but there are ones there today and so people many times again I can tell you we we we go there for a week we sometimes wouldn't leave so there is there's plenty there to keep on site but when we looked at the data to see if in fact what was existing volumes compared to it the existing were lower but we still used it we did not use the existing data to project the future traffic volumes and when did you collect the data when did we collect last year is there a date uh I can give it to you tell you it's a long time pardon just a lot of days in the year no sh I totly understand they were done uh in um April of last year thank you Commissioners any questions I have a parking garage question as it relates to traffic I don't know that's um just about spots okay that's extra spots yeah if I don't know the answer I'll get the right person up here at least that's all for the record so so the parking garage for phase one how many spots will there be I'm going to get get the architect up here hi Scott Eisen Hart Des sis Architects uh there are seven sorry 575 cars in the garage one for phase one okay by my understanding correct me if I'm wrong um it it's exceeding the minimums by hundreds of spots I think like I read to 100 is that correct for that one correct what is the purpose of that so as you develop the project it's going to be a cumulative number uh for the entire parking for the whole project so we're building additional spots in phase one uh to make up when we also have to keep the project uh up to today's code even when we eliminate parking garages for future phases so we have to overbuild the parking for phase one so that when we eliminate the surface parking in phase two and phase three uh those are picked up uh in the previous garages so that we're always staying current uh throughout the development okay so at completion of the project how many spaces will there be uh I believe there's around 2100 spaces a little over but the actuality is there's only 735 new spaces from what's there today okay and if I if I can confirm those spaces the the total spaces that you're going to have at the completion of the project that's employee parking that's guest parking that's that's parking for for everybody correct uh parking for everybody for everybody yeah exactly and so I'm I'm I uh I would hate to speak for the applicant but as a business owner on St PP I know that employee parking is very challenging um and and from having had my business down that way for a number of years I do know that um there were a lot of hotels that were you know doing things like buying houses in Bel Vista so they could have a place to park employee cars so I'm certain that a large number of the parking spaces that they're building are to anticipate both current and future employee needs I would imagine yeah so we uh that's built into the the code the parking spaces uh per key or per area uh as you develop the project or as you go through the project um so those are all Incorporated uh into the the parking counts that that we utilize and for the parking counts that I realize that there's probably a difference between the parking counts that are required by city code and the parking counts that um that as a as a property owner you would prefer to have um is there a a difference in what was required by code for like parking spaces per room versus as a as a as a property what you would prefer to have for parking spaces per room or do you know which num you know what number was used uh I would uh leave that to operations on what they expect uh what they would like their parking counts to be U we utilize the 81 uh spaces per room uh which is the code and taking in account the 10% for the walkability factor uh and then as you see at the end we're still over 100 and some cars uh even at the end of completion of all uh phases of the project oh it's okay um so to answer your question about operations versus the code um Joe confirmed that it is about the same so it's about what they would look for anyway just from a practical functional perspective given the type of resort that they are got it thank you you're welcome I've got a question so what about people who aren't staying at the hotel if they come want to come visit the hotel well I mean that accommodates the retail and and all of the amenities that are on there so those are open go Ahad I fig these operational stuff all step in Joe Smith again for the record so um one the business is going through Transformations we all know that right I expect and I think you all expect more Uber rides share services so we talk about parking I can almost guarantee you 10 years from now we're going to be over parked because you know we'll be building out but yeah this this parking count has certain parking spaces per square foot of retail you have certain number of parking spaces per square of office so it accommodates all those uses in the calculation so it's accounted for excuse me one question on the parking since we're bringing it up for the rooftop um amenity the the public terce and and this might be a two-part to the city as well um for Brendan if you know as well on our current code do we have anything that references an amenity of that nature that would be offered to the public if people wanted to go park over there um because not all of us live across the street I I can I I want to answer the questions I'll be out way over my skis but I will say that the one of the reasons we're giving a, $250,000 for the freebie shuttle is to actually do what I think the local community wants us to do which is the local community doesn't want us to encourage people to drive to the roof deck to the restaurants they want people get in that freebie shuttle so it's not clogging up your neighborhood and creating a a jam so I think the point is to really get towards these modern Mobility systems that's why we're contributing seven figures to that but I Brandon Astic thank you are you asking for the the rooftop space is that subject to the it's since it's being offered as a public green open space mean if you want to think of it as an when we say open space think of a park right so um typical public parks in our city require how much parking there is an a set rate it's typical that outside of the core districts where public facilities are allowed it's it's typically a conditional use permit so it would be set by the city when it comes forward you okay um there is no requirement specifically for hotel rooftops to provide a certain amount of parking enclosed restaurant space retail space held out to the public things like that those are those do require parking at at usually reduced rates compared to what they would be if they're stand alone okay thank you Commissioners unless you have any objections I recommend we take a recess we will be back at 8:00 p.m. 8:10 Sharp e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e I think where we are right now is we are still in the midst of the applicants presentation I think we finish up with the experts that we currently have I did have one more question um I'm saying like once once we go through the uh through the rest of the applicants um um presentations um and then depending on what time it is we'll either recess again uh or just move right into audience comments uh just so that everybody else knows kind of where we are in the schedule tonight go ahead hi one one other question you mentioned earlier during the um discussion about um mitigating remedies and you mentioned one of the potential uses or ause to be used is the rideway do you know how much potential rideway we currently have right now I do not know that I don't know if anyone else but I do not know I have not seen the survey to know how much RightWay is out there today okay because we I don't I know we're using 10 thinking 10 feet for sidewalk and Brendan I don't know if how much you know is left but how much is left just clarification that 10 ft um would be on our property so there that's not including RightWay yes that's it's not including RightWay so there is no rideway right now well the 10-ft sidewalk is on we are developing on our property um and how much of it is right away of the city none of it that's what I'm saying that the sidewalk will be developed completely on on outside of the sidewalk I I don't know the number of I'm just saying that you indicated part of that would be in the RightWay but the sidewalks completely on the developer's property oh okay well then the question is how much rder way do we have we'll we'll see we'll see if we can find it but I don't know I may be able to scale it off Google do you happen to know a city manager no okay and then to answer your question on the distribution today it's about 52% to the north 48% to the South okay thank you but and just you know reason we use the dot model is so that it's not it's not subjective that's a regional model that that that way it it comes out with what those answers are and that that's typically what we use again we we'll adjust it for some local but but generally speaking and that also takes into account future growth as opposed to what's out there today thank you thank you and the only um last comment with respect to traffic that I always like to bring it down to like a practical what does this mean um mayor you talked about total trips in a day so we're assuming in this traffic study that every unit is built today 629 units and even if we put all of those units in on the property the traffic that's generated the what it means practically is that there would be two cars per minute that's one every 30 seconds now we know that 629 units aren't going to be built in a day but I'm just letting you know that's what it means to today for people like us that aren't Transportation Engineers I think that's important sure and to further elaborate on that whatever it is going to be it's going to be their perpetuity there's no opportunity for us to go down to less I'm not sure I understand the question once those units are built those units are built yes but the transportation system changes um and that's why we go back every five years to do a new traffic study and then we do actual counts actual counts meaning what is the actual Transportation not what are these assumptions and the 2% it's actual counts and then you reset at that at that point so from a practical perspective um there's a lot of [Music] built-in safeguards for the city in the development agreement if I just may add one thing I think we're kind of dancing around the issue a little bit historically we've seen data that growth has actually been half of a percent so when we look forward and do a 2% growth rate we're looking at a 400% increase over what historical levels have seen so if you look at the 400% increase on the growth rate you look at modeling out 629 units as opposed to the actual 154 that's being built I don't know exponentially how much more more than reality that is but it's it's not eight times it's like four times four times I don't know it's it's a lot so we're talking and we're projecting and we still comply with this exponentially higher level than is actually reality thank you hello Scott eisenhart uh 9818 Wy Terrace Drive Dallas Texas uh I am architect and partner uh with nunzio mark C sanis Architects we are the architectural firm working on the trade winds project a little bit about nmd uh we are a boutique Architecture Firm that specializes in Hospitality we don't work on any other project type uh we only concentrate on hotels Resorts restaurants um so we really focus on a particular sector and we try to produce some of the best uh projects in the world we uh do projects of all sizes and scales uh anything from a th000 plus Hotel key uh in uh Las Vegas such as the Arya or The Palazo uh down to even an 8 cabin Retreat and in the cat skills and up state New York uh for the chat Wall Group we uh have would you mind bringing your microphone a little closer we have a hard time hearing you thank you sorry is that better Perfect all right um we have over 75,000 uh room that we've been associated with uh we including uh 13 Four Seasons seven Ritz Carlton we're currently working on the Four Seasons in Austin Texas uh we're working on the Ritz Carlton Laguna Nigel in La uh the Ritz Carlton halfon Bay and San Francisco we also uh are very familiar with Florida we're licensed in the State of Florida uh we have several ongoing projects here we have 800 room uh Convention Center Hotel in Broward County uh under construction currently in Fort Lauderdale uh we're doing a 45 uh Cottage Island Resort in the Florida Keys and we're even right down the street here uh in St Pete uh we are doing a 160 room 16 story hotel in downtown St Petersburg so we're we're very familiar with Florida uh with hurricanes uh with the Coastal Design guidelines and then we're here today to talk about the tradewins project obviously here is the existing site of the trade ones that you're all familiar with uh this has been a three-year Journey for us all there's just there's there's somebody's either phone or something is going off in okay thank you I thought it was crickets what is that uh again this is the existing site uh as you guys as you know it today uh when this has been a three-year Journey uh and when we started threee years ago Joe in ownership came to us with three kind of uh distinct criteria to start the project uh one was to uh actually be considerate of the neighbors of the projects in and around our our our site uh such as the cart condo on the left even the coral reef project uh in the middle of the site uh the next task they uh gave us was to consider all the large amounts of paved parking uh that you can see across the site you can see almost every second C of the site there's some form of of paved uh parking and then lastly it was to try and unify everything as one kind of cohesive project um so those were kind of the task and and the S as it sits today where we started this image uh from the Gulf side uh gives you a clear picture of the entire project from uh the seamk on the right side all the way up to the Hilton Garden end on on the North side I think this image is a great uh example to help kind of give everybody an overview uh of the project itself uh you can see that in some of the things that they Ted us with at the start uh we can you can see these start to manifest themselves in the design of the buildings themselves such as the phase one Tower um it is curved uh intentionally on on purpose um so that it allows the C Mark building uh to maintain their views out towards the gulf the curve also if you were to look at the plan of the curve uh the center point of the radier actually is past the corner edge of the C Mark so that there is no direct line of sight from a guest room into a c Mar uh property uh from from inside the building also you can notice that on the phase three Tower uh we've actually pulled it as far away from coal Reef as possible you know it could have been options to stack it to the uh left side of the the Breaking Ridge building and be closest to the beach just like all the other properties but we intentionally pulled it back in a way to give some Breathing Room between our project and their project as well the next item I think is fairly obvious the uh removal of majority of the surface parking uh to give way to manicured beautiful landscaped amenity spaces pool areas and just luscious landscape that that helps uh promote uh green and energy a green feeling for the site instead of that kind of harsh paved asphalt that currently sits there today and then lastly on the cohesiveness uh you can notice in some of the buildings like the jackar Randa building uh the Rumfish building in these current buildings the slab and the railing are emphasized in a horizontal nature uh we took those aspects and applied it to all of the new buildings so we're emphasizing that horizontal ality to help tie back into the existing properties as well and trying not to create some drastic new architecture uh on the space but something that's more integrated and looks like it should be there along with the other properties the last item I want to point out on this slide is is the massing the buildings were intentionally all the new towers are intentionally positioned into the middle of the site this was done on purpose to help uh give a gradual buildup from both Golf Boulevard to the center of the site where the towers are and then from the towers uh to the to the uh beach side this uh slide takes that image and just isolates the new buildings so you can see where the all the new buildings uh are proposed and again just reiterating that that mass of the project is centered in the middle of the site uh so that it can taper off on either side uh and and make it less impactful from both the Gulf uh Boulevard side as well as the beach side here is a rendering from Golf Boulevard side uh this has been updated in response to City comments as well as to the planning U Board review comments um some things that have been updated is the landscape along the frontage road that connects from north to south uh has been updated to show more representational of the actual landscape plan and incorporating the more uh Florida friendly uh planning that uh Perry Becker will speak about a little bit later we've also uh enhance the garages to show some more uh frames screens vegetations to help block even more uh of the visibility into the garage and out and then the meeting room building uh where the St Pete Beach sign we've added the synthetic wood panels to help break up that facade there was a concern from the city uh staff as well to that that facade may be looking too monotonous um so we've included those kind of elements into the building as well and then again I think this also further illustrates kind of the layer cake effect that Elise spoke about earlier um where the buildings kind of taper uh from Golf Boulevard to the middle of the site and then back down uh here's an view of the phase 2 amenity space um this really just kind of gives you the look and feel instead of a a parking lot um what the space could look like uh for this potential development you can see this image really illustrates that horizontality that I spoke about previously that relates back to the Rumfish and jackar Randa buildings but it also has some framed elements um as there are some vertical elements on the breaken ridge building so we're trying to pull all these different elements into the design of the new towers you can also see the roof Terrace at the top of this Tower and on the left side corner you can even see where we added in the lookout um space that Joe will talk about later that's really exciting El El here is the arrival uh looking from golf into the middle of the project basically uh at the new arrival where the phase 2 Tower will go again this has been updated with some of the same things you saw in the other renderings the updated landscape uh the updated building facades both the garage and the meeting room space and then you also notice that in the middle of the site you can see that the arrival actually is elevated uh this is actually where we consolidate all the back of house underneath the building like Elise was talking about earlier so this allows us to really tuck and and bring all the things that are currently in different places around the property that are extremely inefficient into one uh area that that makes it as efficient as possible loading and back a house all included in this one General location this also provides guests the opportunity that when you arrive from the lobby you'll be able to see directly out to the ocean to the gulf so that is a an experience that will be uh extremely valuable especially for this this property I've got I'm sorry can you repeat that I'm saying that the the elevated Lobby here where guests are dropped off are now elevated up so when you walk in the lobby it sees through all the way the building and you can see all the way out over The Amity space through the golf and the beach it's a nice view isn't it it it will be yeah I've got a question what what is that in the middle is that a fountain of some sort or yeah that is a a fountain element that has kind of this ship statuary in the middle of it so it' be a kind of a a fountain water fountain element feature element uh here's a view from this is uh phase one this again has been updated uh based off com ments and again I like to reiterate kind of what Elise said that ownership has been working with their neighborhood throughout the development of this project uh We've updated this several times based off feedback from the cart uh tenants directly to the south of us uh this image shows the restaurant now uh with a hard lid uh over the upper deck to help control sound we've also added a glass wall uh on the south side again in response to their comments and their concerns we've also added uh vegetation to the side of the building so an an ivy uh type of application growing up the walls along with additional vegetation in front of it to really help screen uh this element from uh the views from the the C Mark building again it's been in constant uh collaboration with them back and forth feedback and are they supportive of your project yeah as far as I know you have to talk to ownership more about that but okay here is one of the new views so these again were uh asked to see more views from kind of The Pedestrian side on Golf Boulevard so we've added uh three new views to the uh presentation you can see the uh beach access on the left side of the image this again is a a 30 foot uh access point U that gives from leads you from Golf Boulevard all the way to the beach you can also see the uh upgraded garage uh facade where we have increased the amount of kind of solid uh synthetic wood screening and vegetation on the on the facade here and then just do you have a before you move on to the next slide you have a picture of what it looks like today uh this the exact view MH I do not okay or maybe we do in the rebutt yeah I think we actually do in the rebuttal in uh our other slides in in the rebuttal and a different slide all right if we can get that first that'd be great one quick one quick question on that one since we're theirs I don't forget is are you looking are you all looking to talk with sunrunner to change that sunrunner stop because it's not what the sunrunner looks like right now you know we're missing the sign basically and I know that the pellis county went through a a lot of money to do what they did there regardless of anybody's opinions but um it's not indicative in that picture that that's what the sunrunner currently looks like or that or that corner um because it has an elevated um for I think for it might have been for 88 compliance I'm not sure but you talking about the bus stop yeah sorry you might not know what it's called but the sunrunner is the bus stop yeah that's specific for yeah there there's no intention to change what's currently been proposed by the city uh this was just put in for the rendering sake okay I mean the entire rendering is not exactly indicative because it's missing the turning lane and there's no you know it's missing the stop light you have no way of turning left into this property from from this rendering right that's the intersection for traffic right or the traffic light is 5 we're assuming that's the intersection because that is the 55th is rendering the building yeah it's just the yeah exactly I got a question on the vegetation on the parking garage artificial or real or what's the yeah I have a SL slide later but the intention is that it would be artificial uh to conserve water and not try to have all this vegetation be fed throughout the year here's a image from the middle of the site basically looking at Tower three uh here in the middle and then Tower two off to the left uh I think it's great to see from this ring you can see the actual scale at the sidewalk on Golf Boulevard uh you can see on the left side where the retail space is that's about 15 ft and then you step back and then you go up uh another to about 45 ft and then you step all the way back to the the main tower at 116 ft so you can see that there's really been an effort to reduce the look and feel along golf boulevards and if you were this is taken from about the middle of Golf Boulevard and if you're actually on the sidewalk where the gentleman there is walking uh you you probably wouldn't even see Tower three and it would look more like a four to five story development a long Golf Boulevard for that pedestrian experience do you have a rendering what it looks like today we have uh images of along the street [Applause] yes and here the last rendering at golf Winds Drive uh this shows the Rumfish property on the right and the Alden in the middle and then the new proposed uh property to the left again just trying to show the correlation that we're trying to take some of those horizontal elements bring them into the existing buildings a color pallet will match across all buildings the uh Graphics will be placed on the buildings that you have the trade ones impact and then the landscape coming all the way through in Front End Road kind of tying everything from north to south next this is a vehicular uh C circulation diagram this kind of sums up what we've kind of been talking throughout the presentation here you can see the main element is that the new interior circulation Road uh which goes from North uh at the Gulf Winds drive all the way to the south at 55th Street intersection you could also note that the two remaining interior curb cuts are right in and right out only as we discussed previously and then there are the uh addition uh entries and exits out of the parking garage shown as well as the main drop off area and the existing rum fish Loop uh that currently sits there today here's a loading diagram uh similar to the vehicular circulation diagram but emphasizing where the loading would happen on site again in the middle of the site is that new proposed loading uh five loading dock Zone uh where all of the the main deliveries would come for the project they' be received uh broken down catalog cataloged and then distributed to the different uh Resorts as needed we've also included uh two spots on the left side of the page for Tower one uh mainly for convenience in case uh any kind of small deliveries need to take place uh at that building the one at coil reef is existing as it stays today so we want to maintain uh their loading and drop off area and then the one on the far right is the Rumfish as it sits today so that would remain as it is a quick question on the Rumfish one is that the is that being eliminated as the registration Lobby I guess for Rumfish or is it eventually when all the phases are in centralized as well yeah when the phase four uh Lobby is brought online then that would be where checkin takes place for rum fish and Alden for all of them okay oh sorry for it will be on the North End the so the main lobby uh in the middle of the site is intended for the main checkin but to help alleviate uh stress of people coming all into the property the the second Lobby for rum fish and Alden will be for that uh section of the property okay so Service delivery and registration will all be in one no no no the the lobby uh is actually the green arrow that has the tennis courts are yeah it's intended to be above that uh tennis CS yeah yeah okay correct thank you MH uh here's just a pedestrian circulation diagram I'm showing all the circulation within the site uh you can see that there's both East uh and West circulation as well as North and South circulation uh there is uh uh sidewalks along the inside portion of the internal circulation road that get you from run fish over to the main building and then from the inside you can go from the uh south of Min space all the way over to the coil Reef building and then you can the intention is to use the Beach Walk for that North and South access as well where's the circulation for garage one like where do people go once they Park is that at a certain level level one two three like where is the walk for that on phase one on phase one garage one yeah the intention was if you're parking there and going to the uh Hotel Tower you would have key card access directly off of the towards the west garage uh to the building itself and then there are stairs in the corners and elevator that gets you down from the top level to either the beach access road or the corner of the uh conference the jackar Randa building kind of a um question on the conference center real quick while I'm staring at it and that my understanding that intention is only for the guests or is that going to be a rental space for events I'm sorry what space is this the meeting room Convention Center um the new meeting room that we're building is going be rented out uh primarily for guests that are staying at the property that will be using that space during their stay for meetings that's the intention of it primarily primarily yes yeah it's it doesn't make sense for us to rent to other people because we want to get the hotel income with the rental to space and the food and beverage all together yeah because if you if you went the other way then we'd be talking more cars that aren't probably in the trip generator yeah no it makes much more sense to have people stay in the property eat on the property go to meetings on the property all staying in one place uh the next slide just kind of emphasizes the Fire and Security all existing buildings are equipped with sprinkler systems and all new buildings uh will have sprinkler systems as well uh parking garages will have uh parking asset access and control Gate Systems reception desks are located nor near the main entries to help monitor incoming and outcoming traffic flow uh all new hotel buildings will have key card access directly to the parking garages uh which I talked about previously and the pool areas of course will have uh code required fencing with gate access uh around all of them here we're showing a slide showing view corridors and separations uh starting on the left as I mentioned on the original rendering you can see that the design of that Phase One Tower was purposely done so that c Mark's views and Vistas out towards the gulf uh will be unhindered the second uh dot on this image shows the new proposed Terrace again this will be kind of a full panoramic view from the top of the Terrace but again Joe is going to talk about that later so I don't want to steal his Thunder for the sewor view at what height is that I'm sorry at what height is it unobstructed because it has to look over the restaurant the rooftop oh yeah uh the restaurant is about 24 feet uh tall so it' be over that point for that small portion of the where the we know what the lowest unit is in seamwork I do not the first unit is on the floor okay sorry if you didn't hear me that the first unit is on the floor I just repeated them okay excuse me clarify the the first unit is not at grade it's it's right up and I know because I talk to the owner all the time about the in fact actually the owner helped us design the restaurant right his wife chose the wall you know whether it's a glass wall or cement wall so we're in constant contact with with that owner so yeah it's it's right up um that unit does and does not have views today I know because they asked us to cut down our landscape constantly because our landscape and the burm are in the way of a portion of their view so I would say they have an obstructed View today and that's where it is and that's that wall right that they have the wall That's along the the the the wall the path the beach path that's out there right now right so obstructing okay yeah well that that wall is low enough that's really not the obstruction it's actually ironically the part towards the beach where there's actually it's actually elevated there and you have landscape and you have kind of like a a wedding lawn if you want to call it that I saw that yes and so that kind of obstructs the view that's more of the obstruction the fence by their property is actually not very high got it so 24 is how many floors uh 24 ft is about two floors okay unless you have 8 foot ceilings no it's typically you just average 10 feet per floor so okay uh here's a image just showing Shadow study uh we did a shadow study at different times of the year um showing no uh impacts from the new development however uh the neighborhoods to the South will actually cast a shadow on an IR amenity space uh for the phase one um but no impact on their uh building can you back up on that one again no impact from which one uh no impact on the C Mark building to our our south from any of our new developments what impact are you having on the Jack Aranda uh the Jack Randa also uh will not be impacted because our building's behind the Jack Randa building okay we've had emails and comments from owners in that particular building saying that their views are going to be impacted no jump here so there's been one correspondence about the view being impacted and I think I wrote a letter you should all have received it that owner currently has a building in landscape that's about 35 ft out of his window the new building is about 30 ft away I've since spoken to the owner after he wrote the letter that wasn't his biggest concern he admits and actually agrees that his view he doesn't have a View today and it's obstructed in the same way so the view really isn't the issue with that one owner it was he made the mistake thinking that there would be construction for 15 years straight because we talk about these longer time periods that once we made him understand that that's not the case they were not building for 15 years straight he was fine so that owner I don't want to say his name because I don't want to put him on the spot but I'm sure it's the same owner that's written you um you know it's just been a series of misunderstandings that we've resolved with him thank you uh here as I spoke about earlier just showing the garage facades because there was some concerns brought up during the staff review um here is the an enlarged view of that corner uh of the phase one garage one uh you can see that we are proposing this vegetation uh synthetic wood screening and solid walls to help block any kind of tra uh lights from cars or vehicular in the garage from coming out and Views also into the garage as well and then as I discussed uh here some reference imagery showing what we're kind of thinking one on the right is actually all artificial vegetation this is at Disney World uh actually per Becker worked on this as well um but this is kind of Our intention to do something similar to this so that we're being conservative of water but still having something that helps soften uh the building itself the middle image shows kind of the synthetic wood screening an idea of what that would look like across the facade and then just showing the horizontal nature of the plannings that we're proposing for the garage facades as well energy saving techniques uh as Elise stated at the beginning of the presentation uh ownership is pursuing lead silver so there's going to be inherent energy saving elements that are just uh part of that uh certification but we trying to highlight we're still early on uh in the lead process but these are some things that we're targeting currently for our projects uh the first one cooling tower water use monitoring uh that's really just to uh anal ize the water and help uh optimize the water cycling that's used uh for the cooling tower uh system uh Advanced Energy metering that is really kind of a whole building system monitoring uh that gets reported back to the US GBC um so they're getting the data and it's monitoring the entire energy uh output of the buildings uh negative predat HVAC that's just designing these mechanical systems so that it's containing the air instead of pushing it out uh when doors are open um the dedicated exhaust for housekeeping rooms are just uh dedicating an exhaust system for the housekeeping rooms that are not on the main building exhaust energy efficient Windows we're going to have uh impact resistant windows so we're naturally going to have kind of a more thermally robust window system for these buildings uh thermostat comfort and occupant sensors are kind of one the same where you're providing um thermostats in multiple areas to help help control and it senses when there's occupants in the space turns lights down turns uh AC off if nobody's in the space or lowers it uh and then cool roofs which is the diagram you see on the right uh doing uh High ambient uh materials on the roofs so that we're reflecting uh more than we're absorbing on the buildings uh as condition the cup is consistent uh with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan and Land Development code and believe I'm sorry are you a planner huh are you a planner are you comprehensive plan expert uh I'm huh yeah you're giving your opinion as an architect correct correct I giving my opinion as an architect on the conditional use of our city on our conditional use sorry in our comprehensive plan yeah on the cup that we've applied for yes this is my professional opinion okay uh any other questions yeah all right um if somebody wants to get those renderings that'd be great and I'm sure we have other questions as well so in your previous plans you had a a slide water feature is that still included you mean the existing like um the Surf Rider I don't know what it's called you said you guys did the margarita Ville in Hollywood the what the Margaritaville in Hollywood no we did not do the Margaritaville in Hollywood then must have been the other gentleman okay so they have like a big I don't know what's called like some water slide on the premise it was in the original plans a few years ago is that still part of the plan Sur Surf Rider yeah that's still in the pl the Surf Rider is still in the plans okay do we have those renderings uh that's in the I don't know if I have the side plan yeah it's uh next to the Breaking Ridge building the question about whether where it's located is that question yeah what I can it's here in this image right next to the braking rer building you see a small uh white square that is the Surf Rider uh location between Ridge in the co Reef that's [Applause] helpful go I was going to ask about parking garage the top floor of the parking garage um when there's cars parked on the top floor is the height of the exterior wall tall enough to hide those cars yeah the uh perimeter parit would be 4T to mass the vehicle from the ground level do you have the SEC the second option for the South West corner of the restaurant if the amenity needs to be moved um to accommodate the fir Tru uh we do not have a diagram uh that shows that um but the spa the existing sidewalk improvements that are currently on the site uh we believe we can make that work around we can actually create a loop around the restaurant and the amenity space and connect it back through the curve along the Phase One Tower um so we believe we can make that work without sign significant changes to the plan itself so be almost like keep the the round part of that restaurant intact and then just loop around it yes loop around far enough correct I've got a question maybe for you maybe not the uh I read somewhere I think that there's going to be five Monument signs in total is that accurate I was just curious where those or any Monument signs are going to be Yeah we actually there is a diagram in the submitted information that shows where all the signage is indicated along both the Golf Boulevard and the building itself okay um but they would be generally kind of where they are today you'd have the the two the North and the South the Rumfish uh and the 55th Street exit you'd have the uh signage in the middle uh for the the main property uh and then you would have the coral reef would still maintain their signage okay as well did you provide the shadow a study yourself or was that done by somebody else uh we did it in house with geolocated trying to look for my page but I know I looked into um the winter solestice so I forgot which page that was that you had you had it identif ifed by The Equinox um and they had the same times as the packet that we got with with that our Provisions that has the 10:00 a.m. time and the 4 P.M time that 4 P.M time is the start of that particular Shadow correct yes corre that's that that time at 4 pm in the day yeah and I know from and when I find the page I can tell you but I I I know what the average was or actually wasn't the average it was the time it's a 4our difference from that four 4:00 time time or ending time to sunet so that would mean to me that for those 4 hours that's what the shadow will look like correct the well the four o'clock time is the start time of that shadow and then as the sun sets it's going to get a little longer yes correct and for the you didn't show it in your presentation um for for the roof top maybe I should wait till Joe goes up and talks about it I'll wait for then since you'll talk about that I'll go to another page you guys can look for a question how far is the uh the pool and how far is the restaurant from the C Mark uh the restaurant is about I would say it's 60 to 70 feet from the camart because of the way it tapers you can see on this diagram there's actually a 50 foot uh Dimension between our building and their building um and so then the building skews away from where the restaurant would be um so it' be in that range the pool would be a little farther okay and uh what what Med ation efforts have you undertaken to eliminate noise from the pool so we intend to have you well the restaurant itself will help as a screen uh wall area and then we're doing Tall landscape uh to baffle between the pool area and the uh beach access pathway and then uh as they talked about limiting the hours of operation as well uh what about the neighbors above the tree line they they will look down at the pool okay so what efforts have you taken to mitigate the noise potential noise from from those two amities for the Neighbors above 24 ft uh above above that height there's currently no mitigation efforts from the pool area itself okay I think it's Joe Smith again one thing worth noting is right now that's a loading dock and a parking lot so I mean I think the difference from current status is that you won't have beeping trucks at 7:00 a.m. in the morning which I think the C Mark residents should enjoy and because of the 9:00 p.m. pool shutting down by the way you know that their pool shuts at 10: right so we're actually shutting an hour before their pool um the 900 p.m. also limits the noise at night you also have all these decel requirements from the city about noise levels you have sound control on theer sound systems for the restaurants I think Brandon went through all this before but there's a whole layer of controls from the city things we've agreed to to make sure that that's a quiet environment it's also worth noting that this Phase One Tower is closest to our meeting space which is that big red area that's Jack Randa that's where our ballrooms are in meeting space so really what you're looking at is an area we would naturally put adults in right um the kids you would imagine would be in that center phase to why because there's a bowling alley there because there's the two-story slide that goes into the pool there's all these kids and many we did that intentionally right we want to keep the kids games and allow kid activities away from C Mark and phase one is really meant as more of a Serene adult quiet environment so that's that's the way it's been designed those are the restrictions the city's PR us and the other restrictions we've agreed to in the development agreement to make sure it's a quiet space thank you so the planning board's recommendation was sunset yeah well no I mean it it's we had a 900m in that meeting the planning board recommended 900 p.m. there was a big discussion at planning board and if you look at the conditions that were proferred from the planning board it was a 9:00 P p.m. closure so it was before it was before planning board that it was that staff actually asked for Sunset and then the question was what does that mean because at winter sun could be 5:30 at night and in the summer it could be 10:00 or 9:30 at night and so um we proposed 9:00 p.m. and the planning board recommended approval of 9:00 p.m. okay and this is a question I mean for either architect or maybe Mr Smith too for Joe because um I remember at the first community meeting that you did present that um south pool as the quiet pool and and I think you said the same things back then that that would be like the you know adult area I know it'll be hard to keep all the kids away but you know I know that's the intention of what you had originally presented and a couple of my tours going through the property especially because I was at the back trying to figure out the Doom restoration what's and all the stuff that's going on back there um behind Breen Ridge there is a very small pool that I think in one of the signs that I read on the property is for I don't want to say adults but it doesn't say adults only but I think that's also an adult area um is that pool going uh no the intention is that pool stays there and that's just something you're right it historically has been designated officially as an adult's only pool um whether that changes in the future not I don't know um but historically that's been an adults only pool in the conceptual plan site plan in that area where the pool is um CU I had gone out there just to double check cuz I had questions about the beach walk and how it's going to look it it's um I use the the waxing and waning of a moon you know it's it's what it is current it goes out right so it curves outward towards towards the gulf but in this conceptual plan it's cut in um I'm looking at this original one just in Cas you yeah I think I think you're referring to that little Notch that notches towards the pool correct it's actually there too it notches into the pool on this picture you know what that's about and that's what confused me so I thought either a you're planning on changing the pool and turning it into an infinity pool or you're getting rid of the pool so people don't walk into the pool as they're going through the beach walk so that's why I'm asking this qu question of whether it's staying and how people are going to maneuver around this pool no the there's no intention to change the current pool uh and its orientation or shape uh this diagram is actually just showing a proposed Beach kind of walk area as leise said earlier this would have to be fully vetted through the city once it's permitted the actual pathway the dunes and everything uh an actual plan will have to be created for that this is just showing kind of exception and the overlay uh covers the pool in this particular image but no change one other thing to note real quick is that it's going to be much Clear how that pool kind of works once the Breen Ridge renovation is done because it's all now landscaped and there's like a fence around it so it's like its own little entity which I think your question is well how does it all work right you know and I get it but once that renovation is done I think you'll see very clear the pool is kind of its own entity the reason why the boardwalk Our intention was and we'll have to work with the city and see what the city's intention is goes by that area because it's a natural area for it to flow right there's restaurants there there's activities for both residents and hotel guests to participate in alog together and that's why we didn't want to put it so far out past the pool that you know it's doesn't work well for the flow of activity and and and activities we have in that area and I think in one of our meetings maybe this was discuss with Landscaping I can't remember which one but maybe that's why that's like that that um people would be walking more Eastward along with those it's kind of like a Terrace I saw the the the rendering of Taco whatever is out there Taco yeah yeah um so I figured that that would be a seating area um where people can sit eat or continue walking you know North or South depending on which direction yeah in that area we have like a um shell of a Volkswagen bus that we'll be serving like ice cream and food out of kind of on oops sorry about that uh on the far side of the uh of the area towards dunes and then we'll have the restaurants sandwiching an area that you kind of walk through so there'll be activity and seating throughout the whole area to answer your question yes okay and since you're up here too in the Rumfish area and just food with th I'm not trying to prove what the beachwalk would look like but why couldn't the beachwalk just end where the next pool is at Rumfish if you're okay with people walking right past people in a pool you know I I'm I am definitely not in favor of putting a Beach Walk even further out towards the gulf when you know we don't want to be building outside of the CCL line so even you know that is still I I think considered a structure whether it's and I don't know how FD defines it but we'll get there when we get there but couldn't that beachwalk run along you know not jot out all the way towards the gulf and just end where your amenities are there where potentially the North End Beach axis is anyways so we could have a walk over and get rid of all the Australian pines that are invasive behind that property so there are a few different things there that make it difficult just to cut right across number one is right where it turns left there's actually like a cement built-in space that's a you know a a lawn space that's used for parties and and meetings and things like that um the uh other area you're correctly identified there's a pool that's SE of the cccl um on the Rumfish area um so you have a few things that are just kind of in that area um so then the question is do you go on which side of the tree trees or how do you deal with that I think it's something we're going to have to work together quite honestly I don't know the city's best intention of how it should work so we're going to have to sit down and say what do you guys want to do where do you want it to go and we're have to figure it out together um because I'm I'm not sure what the city's even envisioning right now I just wanted to be noted that it's not that we are approving this Beach Walk the way it looks currently you know so that whenever you know if we're if we're writing stuff down that it is in the future that that is decided um so that City's designing it we're just constructing it and paying for it okay thank you I had another question on because I think it's very similar to the South um West Corner Restaurant I don't think it has a rooftop and I'm not quite sure if it's a restaurant or not um there's like another round building um Center um where the kids you know kind of pull area is um up against uh the jackar Randa building is that also a restaurant uh that's meant to be more kind of like a grab a bar to cater to the pool deck area so you could have it's at level is that one level level yeah pool level okay single store there's no there's no rooms on that side it's yeah it's lower it's at it's just meant to be at the same level is the first floor that uh Joe talked about that they own currently yeah I saw that one okay staff report states that they are staff's initial major concern with this project pertains to the gulf and Views and Vistas which through the comprehensive plans are mentioned multiple times which um based on their language the view from The Pedestrian skill on GL Golf Boulevard will be significantly reduced if not entirely eliminated how are you mitigating that so uh we can show some existing views uh that along Golf Boulevard uh there really is hardly any views to the beach there's buildings in the way there's Landscaping in the way um we have tried to we maintained the uh 30 foot access on the South Side uh where the parking lot is and then uh We've proposed this rooftop Terrace to give uh the residents the opportunity to see uh the views that you can't get anywhere else on the beach when is that scheduled to be finished uh it'd be when phase two uh gets completed yeah had a timeline earlier yeah we'd have to look back at the timeline I'm sorry if your phone is on you're lucky I can't see you and mayor I think the wording was view corridors that the staff use which is is I think very different than just general views Yeah we actually Joe's going to talk about views and to address that with respect to the views along Gul Boulevard we actually have a video to show you of the existing views so if you give us time to get that queued up we're going to present that happy to do that and address your concerns MH okay all right thank you very much good evening uh my name is David Perry I'm uh my office is at 3657 Maguire Place Orlando Florida I am a landscape architect for the project um I've been practicing in Florida for over 35 years uh we our firm specializes in Hospitality Resort design themed entainment as well as Zoological I had up all of our uh um Hospitality design I have completed over 60 Resort products in my career um we currently have in the State of Florida uh two of the largest uh um Resort projects that have been completed on the west coast of Florida uh this will actually be one of the largest uh that we've worked on as well um our firm uh I'm sorry so uh what we'll be doing we will actually be preparing all the landscape architectural design for the project landscape and Hardscape for the project um as we've committed previously we'll be providing and meeting all code requirements for uh um as as stated in Your Land Development code meeting 50% native plant requirements and 50% Florida uh Florida friendly plant material throughout the entire project uh we will uh be utilizing uh um irrigation of reclaimed water and we will be monitoring and providing meters on all of our irrigation systems um Golf Boulevard we've talked about that we'll be integrating a 10-ft pedestrian um sidewalk along the entire Frontage of the of the project itself uh along with that we'll be incorporating a densely planted uh landscape buffer where we'll be largely using um native plant material along throughout the buffer uh we will be actually installing Palms as well uh which roll Palms as well but then also installing native canopy trees and native plant material along the front edge you've uh We've mentioned a lot about about the the beach access on the south the beach access has been designed So that obviously to provide public access to it but it's also been designed largely to provide um visual access to the C Mark uh the design has been incorporates both a combination of both palms and canopy trees um canopy trees being a lower at a at a lower level to provide shade onto the pathway itself but also opening up the views uh and grouping trees and and massing so that we we uh U maintain The View from the sea Mark itself the back side of the building that you're seeing on the right hand side right now uh will actually be heavily landscaped along the entire uh pool side um and to to once again um buffer the buffer the elevated uh nature of the building as well or elevated nature of the pool as well as provide buffering uh into the pool area itself um obviously anything above a certain elevation on C Mark you will have direct views into the pool area one of the nicest things that's going to occur on this project is that we're going to be doing doing as we've talked about a full Dune restoration um there's existing right now about 54,000 ft of existing um Dune uh which 42,000 of that a little over 42,000 that will'll be actually doing full enhancement of um so the what you're seeing right now uh is there areas in behind Bren Ridge that have already started improvements with respect to the Dune restoration restoration those have already been permitted by fdp um and uh and that uh that planting pellet will be 100% % native uh and will be designed to actually um um protect the protect the dun line itself and protect uh the the shoreline vegetation um in the event of a hurricane and to try to mitigate uh mitigate uh any any storm damage as I said we've already started the restoration on the back side of uh bricken Ridge um and that'll that'll continue um all of the plant material on the Dune is is uh is uh approv by D will'll only be using uh native plant material that is that is acceptable to to be used on a Dun side in my professional opinion uh Landscaping that we've that we will propose and we will Design will fully meet the Land Development code criteria um and we will exceed where we can uh to uh to provide uh more native plant material and more um Florida friendly waterwise materials question I have one question I know was a question from the staff about making sure um no no fertilizer was used during the rainy season and I read the response to to that question do you know what the regulation is in pelis county or in our city for that matter on using fertilizer during that time what's allowed and what's not allowed I don't know it specifically but I know there is a criteria that that we have provided for in our in our design specifications that we did for actually serata um that that that does provide the limitations on whatever the use is during that certain period period of the year um with respect to the dun side planting um there will be no uh uh need for uh fertiliz fertilization on the Dune itself um so that that is just naturally planted and and is watered in but there will be no fertilization on the on the dun side used and if we don't know yet then why is the response referencing using natural fertilizers I'm not sure what what is meant by natural fertilizers so there so there are fertilizers that are approved by uh by the state Army Corps and d uh and they have specific uh criteria for uh for fertilizers that that can be used um and there there actually is ferti fertilizers that can be used dunite um we just don't use them usually just because we we don't we don't think they're needed but you're not sure if that's allowable in this County or in the city yet I know there's criteria for it I don't know I can't cite it to you exactly what the criteria is right now so then I would say that that response back to the staff is in a definite um unless Brandon I don't know if you verified if that's allowed here not sure okay thank you um and then another question too are in the design um uh working with so much with the the dun Savers here in the city um is it possible or do you use someone local on barrier islands in pelis county and designing or um taking into consideration what the local community is trying to stop um because there's things I think there was one plant that I saw in your previous slide um I think it's the can you please go backwards I believe that you're referring to and I think we spoke about this before about the use of go back no you're going too far oh sorry I think you were referring to the use of the of the fountain grasses right either it's the pink Molly or the next slide too has a reference to it too and I know there's a lot of um so I'm not an expert by any means but I know just because of working with the group there are certain ones that we're pulling out all the time because once it's established whether it's a resident or commercial property and we're constantly just fighting this battle cuz so so there are there are uh I believe the one that you're probably referring to is red fountain grass um and we won't put plant that within 100 feet at least of the of the Dune areas because that can migrate um but uh there is there's an a whole variety of Fountain grasses that can't be used that are actually native Fountain grasses that actually do grow on the Dune dun LS right we would prefer to use well I'm I'm referring to one of the ones on your list um because it's not considered yet definitely invasive it's one that's currently still being studied it's either the pink Molly or on your next slide there's another one that has that pinkish color again I'm not trying to pick sure species what what I would like is there is a coordination with the community right with the people who are out there pulling all the ones that don't belong there is it possible in design you know with with the city or when this comes back for site review or Landscaping review or whatnot that we could have the group of local our local group who works also with um treasure um and making sure that these are not the ones that we're battling again I'm not the expert but they are I am happy to entertain anyone's review of our plans um I feel confident that the that the plant material that we use all the time in these conditions um are safe for use um and anything that's not we make sure is set back substantially far um anyone that has a Horticultural background and degree that I can communicate with and understands there a lot um the material I'm happy to talk with about it and and with that if possible and and I know we've talked this before um can that 50% be increased because the purpose why we try to push this is obviously to use less water water is you know important um for for all of us right um so you know could we push that number higher with with help I know everyone loves to say well it's not prettier there's a lot of pretty Florida native sure plants out there I think we will automatically anyways um I think that that once again uh the the the the environment um beach side is much harsher than it is as we get to the east side of the buildings um and and farther away um so our the use of our native vegetation and in NE tree vegetation types will definitely be included because it's they'll they'll be the ones that will be sustainable long term from a growth standpoint for the project so happy to do that thank you any further questions thank you sir good evening for the record my name is Abdul Al Kadri I'm the president of haris civil engineers I have been uh practicing civil engineering for the last 30 years 17 of which in Florida our office is in Orlando uh 1200 Hillcrest Street uh just north of downtown uh I'm here to talk about s civil elements uh will talk about existing storm proposed storm utilities access circulation and I'll I'll take any any questions after that uh so this this slide shows the um it just shows it's a uh representation of the existing drainage pattern onsite the blue drains towards the onsite Lagoon the yellow goes towards the gulf and the green goes to towards Gulf Boulevard um as the commissioner mentioned earlier there are a lot of things happening out there U and I'll I'll show a few pictures of uh this is the uh this is a picture that shows the existing uh Lagoon and the conveyance to the Lagoon uh which you can see is kind of a little bit of substandard um this is a picture that shows the existing inlets um I think it depends when it was built and you know they use different types of uh inlets our our objective of course is to improve on the existing condition um as far as the proposed uh storm water design uh of course the design would comply with all local city uh District uh state and federal regulations uh in our case Southwest Florida regul s will govern because we are not draining towards the gulf anymore Gulf Boulevard sorry Gulf Boulevard so um the intended design will improve the collection within the project so we improve the conveyance and the collection system within the site as much as we can working around existing buildings avoid discharge to the beach and Gulf Boulevard store and Tre stor more on sight and we go through this uh filtration percolation uh here in second uh the construction drawings will address erosion both during construction and after post construction basically using best management practices during and after to avoid ilicit discharge towards the neighbors the golf and and Golf Boulevard so this is why Joe is a great client just so you guys know typically we use one of these systems um and they are actually very expensive they're not cheap but uh in this case we came up with a very Innovative way of treating storm water we're going to pre-filter um the storm water before it goes into the exfiltration system basically putting in cleaner water into the exfiltration system so what this does it it actually will screen all debris that is actually ending up in the inlets will collect it U underneath the filter the filter itself will remove sediment we remove oils and we remove nutrients as well U so basically discharging cleaner water into the exfiltration system the next step of of this uh this system will be going into we're showing a couple systems here the first one was the upflow system this is the um this is the U storm capture uh which is basically a concrete box with no bottom uh what this will do is cleaner water will go into this and it would be encouraged to to infiltrate into the into the into the ground uh we we show on the right here just a just an exhibit of the layout uh each phase will have and I'll go to the next slide here this is an overall showing um how the uh the exfiltration system will be laid out under the Frontage Road in in each phase each phase will have its own pre-treatment and then the exfiltration system so the storm water from each will go into a pre-treatment chamber then discharge into the exfiltration then go into the ground um and then as we build out the phases we will interconnect these to have one unified system at the end of the project utilities we did acquire will serve letters from all the required utilities for the site that including audible water reclaimed water sanitary sewer electric natural gas data and um we have shared our calculations for the demands for waste water and and potable uh water with the city staff and that is included in your staff report as well um and and in this picture actually you can see a conceptual uh plan of the layout we do intend to gravity drain like the Public Works director we do intend to gravity drain each phase and will end up eventually going to the lift station that's already existing on site um this is uh just a kind of you have a full package of the site circulation we this one just shows the fire truck uh on a on a on a short section but the proposed Frontage Road and the driveways and parking areas will all be designed to allow internal vehicle circulation and pedestrian access and truck of course truck deliveries uh access as well um and all all areas of side will be improved to meet and FBA that includes fire hydrant spacing and FDC spacing as well and we have been communicating with the F Marshall about about the uh the fdcs and the fire IDs um this slide shows the um the site design so a lot of thought went into U the internal circulation on this site so make sure that we can get cars off the Gulf Boulevard onto the frontage road and and have enough stacking and have enough turn radii on every intersection to be able to maneuver uh the bigger cars the trucks you know so on and so forth so the added front this road um and and loading spaces will take cars deliveries off Gulf Boulevard proposed barking Lo loading spaces will meet or exceed the minimum requirements and site will meet uh the the minimum the the open space requirements and we will have less than 85 allowed 85% impervious on site uh access management uh everybody touched on this before Elise and Scott talked about this we currently have 10 curb cuts on Golf Boulevard we intend to reduce those to four two at the signalized intersection two right in right outs in the in the middle of the site uh so this this is a great Improvement the picture on the on the top shows the queuing for the phase two arrival uh it's amazing that we can get 69 cars in there versus I think five or six in the current um current condition so uh it's my professional opinion that as condition the cop is consistent with the app applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan and Land Development code and the the cop is compatible with surrounding area and proposal satisfies the sections listed here thank you could you yeah could you go back to your very first Slide the storm water the existing um no I think it was proposed yeah there we go this one so I want to make sure I understand how that works um so all those uh water catchment systems are going to be underneath the frontage road they're all under the surface correct okay have you um seen one like this for before or built one like this we've built a lot of these yes okay and can you go back one slide to the very I think it's the beginning slide slide I just want to see something that real quick the this one no I'm sorry uh up one okay there you go all right okay got it thank you all right on the when there's um discharge that has to be done um over towards uh boaa um and I forgot what level is that if it's the 25 year or at what point the requirements is the the limited discharge Allowed by the district for the 25e store but that water will be filtered right because of the system we going to filter as much of it this has not been designed this is all schematic we've did some prelim calculations just to kind of figure out hey we have room to do this but at the final design uh Our intention is to hold as much of it on side as we can and if you have to it' be if we have to it will go to the existing discharge points which would be treated right not because I think our code says or the plan says not to have and maybe you know this up from the top of your head no no disch charg towards boaa I mean there's certain bodies of water that I think it specifically says that we don't want to we will discharge as Allowed by the city okay and by the district thank you yes we will not uh we will comply with all those regulations all these systems and phases um I believe and it might have been with you or Elise I don't remember which team who was on the team when we all spoke but said that each of these were I think you were that each of these systems um don't need the next system to operate correct it's just kind of phase will will will uh will stand alone will provide all the the attenuation and treatment required by code for that particular phase as we as we build out phases we will connect them because it's better to have an interconnected system okay and then all these systems are moving I think it was around your first or second slide where you show what the current conditions are so is it removing all of that is it removing the pond um there's a pond with the Ducks I don't know what you call that one and then there's a pond for the koifish and then there's some stuff that I don't know really what it is but um and then there's discharge um that goes to your the coastal or I mean currently that's how the Gulf Beach major Basin there's a outfall that goes out behind coral reef so all of that is being eliminated correct correct and all of that will then run somehow I'm not the engineer but all of that will run somehow to the frontage of the property towards the front and towards that uh pre-treatment and then the exfiltration system okay and if let's say because this is one of those that we were talking about in the development order that if we don't get to phase two or three or four um we still need to do the storm water so does that mean also that all of of those that need to be removed are being removed we're not just putting vaults under the frontage right we've got to still correct the property so does that include and this might be a City question um it's not that we're just putting the vaults underneath if the pro if this were not to continue right we we don't go to phase three or four and we put the Vault direct some of the flow but you know if we do not do phase two three and four then some of the existing will remain in place as well like the Lagoon for instance okay so if that stays in place we will use it as well so it is an onside treatment okay and and I say it because I mean it's and and I'll just say it you know it's not pretty right it's not nice and I don't know really what's in that water um it's got a different color um but specifically because you know we're trying to improve we're supposed to be doing the beach too well my my daughter was with me she loved the Ducks and I don't she did not like the water but um but because of the discharge it was really concerning for me to see it and it's one thing when I walk on beaches and I see direct discharge through storm water drains that go out into bodies of water um this one is up against not immediately I said behind coral reef but it's somewhere on that property wherever those you got some white tent structures back there not the big one but the smaller ones back there where it's located um it's not nice obviously but so it concerns me that we wouldn't be eliminating that even if we didn't continue the phase is there a plan to do something because you know then what we're thinking is going to be an amenity for the city isn't truly going to be the 100% of money that I'm currently thinking it would look like if all of this was improved so remember two things that I think are important as as Abdul starts to talk about the technical requirements the storm water will be done by phases unless there's a pause right the six years between vertical construction of two phases if that happens we have to bring the entire site into storm water compliance and what that means from a practical perspective is it has to be has to take the storm water as if there is it's predevelopment as if there's no development so we have to take all of that and design the system we haven't gone through and done an what if for each phase yet the project isn't engineered yet right I mean we're we're still at those initial phases but we H we would have to do that at the time and we're obligated to do that under the development agreement so so we would lose the pond then right I mean technically catchment right now we don't we don't know what that's going to look like we haven't even thought about that to be honest because we're assuming you know what I mean weing we're going to be going through each phase but all of the storm water as if it was scraped with all green has to be accommodated on site as part of that development agreement whether we go through with all of the the phases or not none of that's been engineered um if that's the case we probably will have somewhat of a different system that we haven't contemplated yet but we have to take all that storm water in so I know we're not exactly answering the question but that's because it hasn't been designed or engine I think it's more because I want the city to be considering that you know when we're we're writing this or or talking about it because if we were saying it is as a site that you have to go like if there was nothing there like nothing existed that's the requirement of the code today okay just want to say that any questions could you go back to your last slide again I just want to look at it again the last one or yeah the before your summary okay this one uh y go back yeah I just want to look at the stacking so this is the phase two arrival and I did have a question after you on that that's I just wanted to look at it again I'm good on that access management I know there was written by the staff I don't know which number it was um it could have been be it obviously it was before planning but there was concern about um being able to turn left um towards the parking garage garage one um and I think and I'm trying to look for my notes we have come up with an alternative for this that is not shown here currently but yes we do have an alternative for so it won't be turning left right it it actually goes right and then goes into the garage instead of go goes left into the garage Okay Kevin Kevin for the record so the reason that we didn't add detail there is because it it's fot has to sign off on how the access goes and so it got really speculative really quickly we believe it can work um and and we showed staff an alternative if if it didn't work but more importantly fot would have to sign off on that so it it may be it may be that the the cars Loop during phase one back around there is no left there may be a left but but ultimately that that's a site plan item yeah I I know both parties believed I believe the staff too you know that if they beli that it wouldn't work I believe it didn't I've been out there obviously now with your Clubhouse it makes it really difficult um I was I arrived there um on that side and ended up walking around well a couple of times I did it from Rumfish over and it is very dangerous um because it happened with me and I had my daughter with me being at the entrance of the jackar building right the main entrance where is current um and trying to come across over to uh Gulf Boulevard on the sidewalk um and then people coming on the gate and even though they're paused but once he lifts that gate it's go and people are trying to cross you know I had to like grab my my daughter's hand like you know slow down so I do see why the staff wrote that concern um because I think there is difference being that this would be an elevated crosswalk um proposed and no Club you know house there anymore so um so I could see that that being addressed but definitely that left you know when there's too much going on you know and I know F will be much stricter than me right well what I'm saying is the reason we didn't that we just showed the alternative is to show that there there's an alternative that's Fe that's feasible without redesigning right that that's feasible at the site planning phase um but until fot tells us what throat depth they want which is right like how far the vehicle can pull in unobstructed uh and then what type of stacking they would want for the left turn lane out of there because remember we can only turn left the two signals and so that's why we stopped being speculative there because we could have shown something that that then fot says no right and so that that's but you you br you bring a good point because this one you know we're all seeing it this way so you know some sometimes I tell the public you know it doesn't mean it's going to be that way right it would still fit there's going to be some changes because of other requirements right so you know you're talking site changes yeah so there there's there's condition requirements where we have to be subst similar to things like renderings and things where you all are looking at at how you expect something to look but we're talking about sight changes so storm water uh access management um those types of things that the engineers eventually going to have a sign seal drawing right th those might change and one of the things we also discuss is for example maybe maybe the the drive goes partially uh around or into that parking garage you know that that would have challenges but it would still look approximately the same for a footprint and and it would still be substantially similar as far as renderings are concerned I think I'm good for now I would have to look any further questions thank you sir thank you right good evening uh for the record Greg pepone associate sorry about that is that better good evening everyone for the record Greg pepone associate director of Tourism economics I work out of a 420 West Kennedy Boulevard in Tampa Florida I am an associate director at tourism economics and tourism economics is a subsidiary of the global economic consultancy firm called Oxford economics and at tourism economics we really work at the intersection of Tourism and the economy each year we work with over 300 destinations worldwide as well as other Affiliated tourism entities on different types of analyses related to visitation in the visitor economy although we are based um although we do have clients worldwide we do have a local presence we work with visit St Pete Clearwater as well as visit Tampa Bay I'm specifically part of our economic development team so what that means is I focus on conducting impact studies related to the renovation related to expansions or new development of Tourism related assets that could include Resorts hotels cultural institutions like zoos or museums as well as event and entertainment facilities locally here we've worked with mfet on a prop on a market analysis and economic impact study for a proposed Hotel part of their mixed use development work with the Clearwater Marine Aquarium a softball complex out in clearw as well as an equestrian event facility down in manate County more broadly some of the larger development projects we worked on related to Disney uh the Tennessee Titans and their new enclosed stadium that they're developing as well as a another stadium for a substantial renovation to an NFL Club so today we are here to talk about the impacts related to the expansion or the proposed expansion at tradewin and it's important to note that we focus solely on the expanded property this does not include impacts related to any of the existing facilities and our impact study was an assessment over a 20-year period so we started when the first phase is anticipated to open in 2027 going through 2046 so over this 20-year period we anticipate that there would be $3.5 billion uh in sales to local businesses this how much of that is to your project I'm sorry what was that how much of that is for your project this is 100% attributable to the expansion at trade wins let me rephrase it how much of this is going to the trade wins well this this includes direct impacts as well as indirect and induced impacts the on-site spending as I'll show in the next slide is $1.8 billion there's another 400 million that is being spent by visitors within the local economy then there's indirect and induced impacts that are being spent within the local economy on top of that so that 3.5 billion is expected to support 8 jobs on an annual basis so that's an average annual across that 20-year period how many of those jobs are from St Pete Beach how many are these the the vast majority I would have to go back and look at the the exact number specifically towards s Beach these will be STP Beach people employed correct trade WIS no no no as I'll explain this is this goes beyond trade WIS so this includes jobs at the trade WIS that's a component of it but it also includes jobs that support those direct Industries and as I'll discuss that includes food and beverage it includes Retail transportation it also includes those jobs within the supply chain right those indirect impacts and then the induced impacts as well which are employment impacts and so these are spread throughout the economy so trade let me rephrase that how many of our residents will you be employing this this is an A so it would be 508 jobs on an annual basis on average throughout that okay how many of those jobs will directly be coming from our community or from technically these are all within pinelis County we would have to do a a subcount the vast majority of these would be from um the city of St P Beach so so so as a percentage and how many currently today are you employing residents of St Pete Beach I don't know that off the top of my hand I would have to go back and into that you're saying that the vast major of these 580 jobs will be coming from within our city limits these will be our residents and employed I I again I don't know that off the top of my head I would have to go back and look at the analysis to look at at the exact numbers so sorry go go back one more you didn't finish Point number three yep and so we anticipate that there will be $49 million in state and local taxes that will be generated over that 20-year period and of that how much is coming to the city of CP Beach 19.8 million great can we see the math on that yes thank you three slides perfect so next I'm going to discuss the direct impact direct impact is the spending that is attributable to the visitors that are staying at the expanded Resort so this is direct spending it does not include the multiplier effect so we anticipate and this is generated in two different ways it's that on-site spending as well as spending offsite in the local economy by those visitors so we anticipate that over that 20-year period 1.8 billion would be spent onsite and then an additional nearly 400 million would be spent offsite for a total of $2.2 billion in direct spending so what we do once we oh well where is this money going to be spent in the local economy so as we discussed there is $1.8 billion that's going to be spent on site when we do tourism impact studies we assess the impact over five general tourism sectors the first being lodging so all of the lodging would of course be done within the trade winds expansion in addition to that we look at food and beverage Local transportation retail Recreation and entertainment so that $1.8 billion includes lodging but it also includes food and beverage on site and other spending that will be conducted on site and then you could see how that spending is dispersed uh amongst those other tourism related sectors so then what we do is we create an input output model we use implan which is a nationally recognized input output model and what that does is that calculates What's called the total direct spending so the total direct uh the total economic impact rather the total economic impact we assess for business sales jobs as well as the fiscal and tax implications these total impacts include the direct spending so that $2.2 billion it also includes the indirect and induced impacts and so these are what many people might referred to as the ripple effect or that multiplier effect within the local economy that includes the indirect impacts so those are supply chain impacts it also includes induced impacts which are employment impacts when you add those direct impacts the indirect and the induced impacts uh we anticipate excuse me that there would be $3.5 billion in total business sales and again that spending is expected to support an average annual uh number is in 8 jobs on average each year throughout that um 20-year period And so this does include jobs that are onsite it also includes jobs that are supported by that visitor spending in the tourism related entities so this could include uh people working at retail people working at gas stations people working at restaurants but it also includes those supply chain impacts as well as induced impacts so that would be um a local St Pete Beach resident that spends a portion of their money in the local economy um that that they help to support and these direct and indirect impacts help to support spending in uh the medical field in terms of fire or police education uh Finance real estate basically throughout the all sectors of the economy and then we anticipate again as we mentioned before there'll be 409 million that would be generated in state and local taxes and the key question that everyone wants to hear is how does this affect the city of St Pete Beach and so this this slide here is really that key finding slide it's showing the direct impact right it doesn't include any indirect or induced or any multiplier impacts related to the taxes that will go directly to the city of St Pete Beach so this includes uh property taxes or ADV vorum taxes nearly uh well $15.9 million in property taxes generated throughout that time period in addition there would be $3.9 million in Impact fees that would be generated so that's $19.8 million in total direct taxes that would go back to the city of St Pete Beach in addition to this there's other ways in which the city of St Pete Beach is supported so there's a lodging tax that's assessed on all visitors staying at the expansion a portion of this lodging tax although it's collected at the county level is allocated towards Beach nourishment and Improvement what percentage it's 0.5% of the 6% lodging tax so we anticipate that it would be $7.1 million that would go towards Beach nourishment sorry you said 0.5% a half a percent half a percent and what was the I don't know trailing 12 months beted tax for the county I don't know that off the top of my head I would have to to look at that related to the trade wins specifically today or so I mean you're you're saying that half of 1% we're trying to understand how much half of 1% is that we get back so we anticipate that 89.7 million in lodging tax will be generated as a result of the trade win expansion 05% of that 6% tax would be gener would be allocated towards Beach nourishment so that's a little over $7 million okay so you said 89 million over what time frame again this is over a 20- year period so but don't quote me I would have to look it's I'm almost 100% positive it's 89 so that breaks out to how much per year um 20 divided by [Music] 90 there we go 4.55 million a year okay in addition to just one quick question in this current slide then this is for 20 years so you're are we saying a million a year then is the the total direct taxes to the city of St Pete Beach correct that would be an average well the the impact fees why don't you tell us what the impact fees are there for the impact fees mhm it's related to to the construction and the fees that are uh I mean it it would be Transportation related fees as well as as water so that goes away after 20 years though right because that's a onetime impact fee it's not continuous so after TW year 21 then that that one I'm averaging okay $1 million doar a year is going to be less Theory well the the impact fees are up front the impact fees are one time Fe and they're designed to so these are to miate some of the impact that you're having so that is something that you're going to have to do no matter what so when we look at direct property taxes what is the current total annual City revenue for those five lots for one one thing I just want to make sure we're clear is this is the net portion that goes back to St Pete Beach city right so there's massive amounts more we're paying that don't he's just trying to tell you what does it mean for you as a city the county takes a whole lot more that's not the total real estate taxes we pay over 20 years and if that were I'd be thrilled I'd be thrilled I mean I I don't mean to sound you know dismissive of it no but I asked because that's that's always been a concern for us we get we don't get the full amount penel County gets the majority right so for me to hear maybe a million dollars a year every year 20 years and this is you know my mind thinking as a city when we're our and we're going to revisit our comprehensive plan when we're saying that we need a 30% to turn it around away from residents to commercial then it doesn't you know less than a million dollars a year doesn't seem like a lot of money so I don't know Greg if you're prepared to speak but we have look looked at you know how much has this shifted so I think there's actually a Bloomberg article Rec recently that said it was actually timing was pretty good saying that major urban areas have five to 15% the tax base being on Commercial versus residential that's like the average among major cities and I think it's boomber I have to Google it but I think what we're getting here is a much more dramatic shift just with our one property not to mention the other properties which I think Kevin had some stats about that and or greag about the shift um but um Joe that's just the five Lots correct because I know we're not ing all the property taxes for coral reef Breen Ridge or okay that's just the new units right yeah this is just the new unit everything in our impact analysis is strictly focusing on the if you please step forward to the microphone we can't hear you yeah sorry about that so everything in this impact analysis is strictly focused on the expansion so it excludes any existing um rooms that are are currently there today okay so the land basically right okay talk about the Shi well let's let's finish talking about before we start on the next topic well but I I'm not moving the next topic yet if I mayor um the remember the 15.9 that's the average can you please take the slide back so we're in the same pages to what we're talking about thank you so and and you know please confirm right but 15.9 is the average over 20 years so at at the end what's that toal right oh total yeah and so you divide that like to your point you divide that over over um the 20-year period but there's going to be times where there's very few new units in that 20-year period and then at the end you're going to have all of the units and so the annual amount would be double the average and then continuing forward that annual amount is double the average because all of the units exist at that point and it's only the new units so you know there's just only so many ways you can look at a 20-year period like that but you know the revenue to the city for just the 600 9 units by by this average is going to be something over 1 and a half million per year for just the 629 units no exactly in in 2046 it would be well above average when all the phases are open all of the you know all of those rooms are are open as part of that so this is um you know obviously a lower amount in in the earlier years so what's the current amount that the city is receiving for those five properties I don't have access to that right now I'd have to look we strictly focused on on the expansion well you're trying to paint a picture of where we are versus where we're going right and so it'd be nice to understand where we are I would have to look back we do have the the the tax receipts for the I believe the most recent year so we'd have to go back and add that up for sure can you please do that yes thank you mayor I think that information is also on page 26 in our book in the staff report right also I mean unless you're just trying to make the point that he doesn't know what he's talking about which is a different point than how much they're paying in property tax no I'm trying to understand how much are they currently paying yeah and where are we going it mayor it might be a little more complicated analysis than you think because when you think about it you have trade WIS that's paying real estate taxes you have the hotel units uh that the Jack R of condo units that are paying real estate taxes you have blue green units that are paying real estate taxes so these are all working together we're running as one business but they're different components so for us to pull out something our back pocket and say this is what it is would be a little bit it's not easily done um but I think that if you're looking at the differential of where we are today versus where we're going that's what's being presented so we're really looking at what's proposed today what the change in tax basis is how it affects the city sure really where we are today is relevant and it's not relevant you know it's nice to know but it is what it is it's part of the budget today it's not changing anything this is changing something so thank you so based on what numbers what what numbers are you using to calculate what final value what how are you getting to this annual so we work with a local real estate consultant who who developed this this model specifically for the property tax calculation okay go if I may mayor we're approaching 10 p.m. can we finish with this gentlemen do we need a motion what was H did we set a limit earlier what was it advertised that I every meeting ends is advertised till 10 o'cl okay sorry I thought you were asking for races that too but either or well care make a motion I me what what what I'd like to know what everyone else is thinking here do you what are we trying to accomplish tonight I think we're making good progress I I think let's keep rolling at the very least I want to get the public comments okay I'm in I'm inclined to adj well let's let's keep going you want to do it before after public comment we can talk about that how many more experts do you have one and uh city clerk how many a comments do you have I think we have like hour 15 minutes worth about 15 hour 20 minutes okay well the reason I'm thinking audience comments is so that we don't have if we decide to adjourn and then deliberate at the next meeting I don't necessarily want to adjourn before people have an opportunity to speak tonight so they don't have to come back twice and that way why the applicant is here with all their experts they can do a rebuttal if they need to of any the uh any of the public comments just like we had do a recess before that no we will so city clerk extend for a certain amount of time yeah let's let's hear back from city clerk how many cards we have there's about 30 for 3 minutes and then there's the 15 minute and the six minute okay so 30 is 90 minutes so roughly roughly two hours and then one expert I think we can at least extend to midnight and then if we need another half an hour or so for public comments we can certainly do that how do you think I I personally do not and and I hate to say it I I do have a job that I have to make up tonight after everybody goes to sleep so I still have to be up working and then I have to wake up early in the morning to work too so I mean I'm just going to be blunt because I do I I know you're saying to keep going but I I agree I'm you know I apologize in advance but you know this this is a full-time job but it's not my not to mention City staff and other people as well so but is that a reasonable compromise what about anyone in the public who can't be we pick a date anyone who can't be here on that date speaks tonight I personally i' like to get through all the public comments and and hear the rest of this presentation tonight I'm not saying we have to go any further than that if people are get getting worn down are you are you okay with midnight is that workable I've said what I no no I'm I'm I understand but I'm saying like you just want to quit now I mean just ad jint right now or are you okay with another half an hour another hour another two hours L I enjoy my sleep as much as the next person it's not about sleep people have to work the next day well yes we all do we all kind of knew it was going to be a tough night though right this shouldn't be a surprise after the last go around that that I don't I don't think that's appropriate um commissioner because I do have a full-time job and I don't think you're respecting that fact um I'm not retied so I got to well no because I think he's had the same valid reason I still have to work when I get home you're entitled to your opinion and so are we all right I'm not going to bring up per personal examples but if someone wants to make a motion they can I've stated how I feel about it I'll make a motion that we continue on till midnight Second City Clerk you feel please call commissioner filtz no commissioner res Nikki no commissioner lorensen yes commissioner Marriott yes mayor patrilla yes Mo carries three to two okay if we can please finish up um with your expert here and then we can adjourn sorry and adjourn we can uh take a 10-minute recess yes mayor patr one thing that you'd ask was about the assumptions that went into the uh the property tax calculations those were requested by the city and provided by to the city's CFO for review just as an informational Point certainly and and so finally in addition to calculating this economic impact we also assessed how the expansion would shift the tax burden from of the residential B to the commercial base and so similar to this direct property taxes we worked with Bill scholes he was a former or pelis County tax assessor and um so he had input into this process and so as part of this analysis we assessed where the where the percentage or how much of the ADV valorum tax was being paid by commercial entities in in 2007 that was closer to 12% today that is closer to 20% if we assumed that the residential and the commercial base both grow at the same rate over this analysis over this 20-year period and we add in that $15.9 million in property taxes that would be generated by the expansion then this project alone would shift the tax burden to 26% paid by commercial entities and so this would get you within that long-term comprehensive plan but obviously towards that that minimum goal so thank you any further questions before he mayor could I ask a question certainly the projected direct real estate taxes over the 20-year period that's coming to the city is that based on our current current millage rate or did you make any adjustments to the millage rate over that 20-year period there there was an assumption of a small growth in the millage rate what does a small growth mean I would I would have to go back to Bill schell's analysis but I think it it's like 0.005% growth within the mill annually so you showed have showed that increase in our millage rate every year over the 20 years I believe that there was a growth every year I would have to go back to the the the files that was submitted to to get that exact amount I'll look at my email to the city to the city manager and to the CFO and we'll let you know that sorry we have to go back and look thank you okay oh hold on hold on hold on yeah so you we actually reduced our millage rate last year I'm sorry I I said we actually reduced our millage rate last year um so again I'm I'm forgive me but this is what I do on a daily basis which is look at tax records and of course assessments uh trying to understand what base number you're using for your calculation right let me give you an example right reviewing the tax records for the five Parcels in the last couple days right they're assessed that let's say roughly half of what they were purchased for give or take and so my question is if you're telling me you're going to build a half a billion dollar project right are your numbers based on half a billion are you numbers based on what everything else is roughly half of what your actual acquisition cost is so because there's a big difference if you're telling me your numbers are based on half a billion at X millage rate at 3 13.5% that we received from the you know tax assessor that we that's taking in I'm I'm trying to understand where your numbers are coming from because as Mr Smith said we are trying to understand what the economic benefit is to the city as well and I think it's important that we have accurate numbers so that we have a baseline understanding of where the numbers are coming from so it's a good question what's the base what's it based upon uh it's based upon the construction cost because the value of these units and these buildings better be over construction cost or we the world's worst developer right so when you mention acquisition that's a different situation when someone acquires a property they're acquiring from market value which is almost always over construction cost otherwise no one would ever built right so when we use a cost basis that's actually conservative if the tax assessor and please tax assessor don't be listening you know looks at us they would tax us at a higher than cost basis because those properties would be worth more so it's probably conservative based upon the cost thank you all right let s you had a question you you keep trying to run off so good the regarding the direct spending impacts specifically with the offsite establishments the 397.31 [Music] accounted for based on those operational figures and then we have through our um experience within the tourism industry and working with visit St p clearw and visit Tampa Bay and other um similar entities and destinations insights on average spending for leisure Travelers we also use What's called the event impact calculator which we developed in conjunctions with destination International to gain insights on people that are coming to the Resort for meetings and group so there's a a spending for different types of group and then we based on that information we build up from the bottom an impact figure in terms of the spending that's off site okay thanks and um regarding expected to support five 5008 jobs on an annual basis so that's to clarify that's both at the property and in the community with the hope that more spending more people in the community there's more businesses striving more jobs for people out those businesses yeah no exactly so it's it's it's jobs that are onsite but also those visitors that are spending at a restaurant so then there has to be that spending supports those jobs at restaurants you also have um somebody that lives in St Pete Beach who earns a wage from that job they send their child to a doctor for instance so part of their wage is paying for a medical visit a small portion of it and so that is what we would consider an induced impact so it does consider jobs throughout the economy so those directly within tourism related Industries as well as those that support the direct and indirect Industries which actually brings up an interesting point because the traffic experts stated that one of the big advantage of is it's going to be an integrated Resort where people are going to be induced to stay on site rather than leaving off site so it seems like are they staying or are they leaving I me you could see that so 1.8 million of 2.2 billion is being spent on site so that's an excess of of 80% of the spending so you're anticipating 80% of the impact to go directly back to the owners and roughly 20% to trickle out into some businesses in the community but but again that's direct impact so the the operations of Trade Winds has to buy supplies from local businesses so they are going to be spending money in the local economy to support their operations that's considered an in uh indirect impact so even though the revenue is going to be received by The Resort itself they're spending in the local economy as well at local businesses to sustain their operations any further questions let's take a recess we will be back at 10:20 Sharp e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e before you get started sir I think commissioner phelts wanted to make a comment yes no I just want to say it's as these meetings go late uh you know it's not just about people have to work tomorrow most everyone has to work tomorrow it's about doing the best job we can do up here and doing the best job we can do a big part of that is being a good listener and I want to be a good listener to the applicant I want to be a good listener to the public and after 6 and a half hours up here in the chair it's sometimes hard to do that so I just wanted to clarify that thank you sir if you please state your name and position for the record good evening mayor Commissioners my name is Ken meta I'm the director of planning and development services with Sterns Weaver Miller Tallahassee um let me just start by giving you a little background on my professional experience I've worked as a professional planner in Florida for 38 years about half of that in the public sector in the first half of my career um that includes 16 years with the state land planning agency the Department of Community Affairs and that capacity I served as the regional administrator for Southeast Florida for the region basically from um uh Indian River County south to the Florida Keys um and in that role I was responsible for implementing the state's growth Management program so that would be chapter 163 on comprehensive planning and chapter 380 in regard to developments of regional impact uh and the area of critical State concern program and I just wanted to explain for a moment um how the critical area program works in the keys so that program um is all about trying to protect resources in the Florida Keys hopefully you've been there and enjoyed it but um the the state exercises extraordinary regulatory Authority in the keys and so as part of that uh program we would actually Draft rules and modify the local government's comprehensive plans actually modify their Land Development regulations and then we would enforce those requirements uh uh over time it got better uh uh the the local governments you know did a better job of enforcing over time but for for a good you know eight nine years we took a lot of appeals uh on local development orders where we would challenge whether uh the the local government development order was consistent with the comprehensive plan and the codee uh and so I've had a lot of experience uh evaluating development orders I've literally looked it evaluated thousands of them in that program uh went to court um testified as an expert uh at least 50 times on those issues uh both in uh Judicial Court as well as uh in Administrative Hearings before the division of administrative uh hearings uh and the admin ative law judge um and so I you know I have a lot of experience in that regard um and then I and as part of that I because it was the Florida Keys I I worked on a lot of Resort projects some of the big ones down there Hawks K that you may be familiar with on duck key uh Truman Annex and Key West um the um holiday aisle project up on Isa marada um kargo Marriott just a lot of a lot of different projects and and then as I when I moved into the private sector I did a lot of work uh all over the state um on Resorts and and my role has always been the same to advise clients on ensuring that their project complies with the law that's consistent with the comprehensive plan consistent with the code uh and whatever the local requirements are in that regard uh so I've I've worked on uh quite a few projects as I mentioned just to give you a few examples sandest a huge Resort up in uh the Panhandle Seascape uh it's another one up there the Longboat Key Club a little closer to home here um smaller project the Longboat Key Hilton hammock Dunes in Flagler County a couple of others in in that county as well uh most recently the the the r the rally excuse me on uh Miami Beach uh previously the Dural uh the Diplomat and in Fort Lauderdale um the beachwalk resort a lot of projects I have a lot of experience working uh with Resorts and and it's it's it's interesting these these Redevelopment projects you know you're not starting with a a blank slate you're not starting with a vacant piece of property you're starting with uh existing buildings existing development uh there's there are always a lot of challenges on these Redevelopment projects and I'll just say I think this team's done a great job uh i' I've been very impressed in the in their ability to uh to respond to the issues that uh the staff has raised and that they've heard from the uh from the public or and from the from the planning board um so I'd like to NE next just go through um just in overview of what I want to talk about the uh starting with the uh the consumptive or excuse me the conditional use permit um for this project then I'll talk a little bit about stat the statutory consistency requirement consistency with the comprehensive plan compatibility and then consistency with your code let me just pause for a moment and mention um you know as part of the uh consistency evaluation um you know I read your comprehensive plan carefully and I I'll say I'm I'm very impressed I've looked at hundreds of comprehensive plans because my role with the state uh for so long and uh you know I think this this local government uh St Pete Beach has has really articulated your vision uh really better than most most local governments your vision of of um promoting large scale uh tourism projects large scale Resort development uh as your Preferred Future growth over high-rise development high-rise Condominiums along the beach uh and as your comprehensive plan explains uh that's to increase thex tax base um and it's to try to bring additional uh commercial options that uh the residents can enjoy I thought the last discussion was kind of interesting uh the the concern about whether the projects generating potentially enough fiscal benefits for the for the city um I would just suggest to you that uh if we wanted to try to generate more that would mean larger buildings more development uh that's just something to to keep in mind because I think we're all trying to you're trying to balance and the project is consistent with the comprehensive plan and and the the code requirements I'll go through that but I think um you know if we're looking for that sweet spot I think where uh you're uh you're benefiting and remember this is a as as your comprehensive plan uh describes uh you're looking for a catalytic project and and I think you have one here uh this so this this hopefully will spur other typ types of Redevelopment that will benefit the city as well um and just one other comment on the vision um you know a lot of local governments their comprehensive plans uh will describe a vision but uh where they fall short sometimes is implementing that vision and uh what I liked about your comprehensive plan is it carries through that Vision in terms of the development standards and the policies that are set out uh and so that's really important uh so let's let's look at the cup summary you've heard this before so 629 uh net new units uh in three different Towers a little over 170,000 Square ft of of commercial space including uh these are accessory uses restaurants retail administrative offices and Conference space um and I I should mention and that's that's over 25 acres little more than 25 acres as measured uh from the front property line back to the uh Coastal Construction Control line um and so what triggers uh the cup review uh the pro the the property has to be three acres or greater uh this Pro this property is actually 25 acres so it's it's eight times that minimum so it's it's really uh a unique property in that regard uh you have uh a threshold that uh uh large scale Redevelopment uh would require a cup if it's more than uh 30 units per acre and if the buildings exceed 50 ft and then you have your rooftop roof excuse me your rooftop dining and draining uh drinking excuse me uh that also triggers conditional uh use permit review so let's take a look at the statute so section 16331 943a uh defines essentially what the what we call the consistency requirement uh for development orders and it states a development order shall be consistent with the comprehensive plan if the land uses densities or intensities and other aspects of development permitted by such order are compatible with and further the objectives policies land uses and densities or intensities in the comprehensive plan and if it meets all other criteria enumerated by the local government uh so what does that mean you see on the right side I've just you know we've just broken down in a very simple way the list so we have to show that the uses are permitted that the size and the density and and the intensity uh are consistent with the comprehensive plan that the capacity and timing are consistent so that's that's the kind of concurrency type analysis that you uh that you discussed earlier and then importantly for the legal consistency review it's focused on mandatory policy requirements those are your shs and you must and your must uh uh and as opposed to non-mandatory language should or uh U May or uh encourage or promote that's all based on case law that's how the cases have have distinguished a consistency requirement uh in terms of mandatory versus non-mandatory excuse me as you heard the project is located in the in the uh community redevelopment District that district is implemented by four different subdistricts uh this property is located in the Gulf Boulevard subdistrict and that's also then implemented by uh the large resort District uh that your zoning district and it's a character District it's one of 11 character districts so let's go through the numbers um so the comprehensive plan allows up to 75 units per acre this project is at 63 units per acre about 16% less so could we generate more tax revenue if we cranked up to 75 yeah the buildings would be bigger um we have uh 1.3 extra Acres of green space so as you look at your imperious surface ratio and your green space requirements we're complying with those uh FL ratio this is really important particularly when you think about that the tax issue and the the fiscal impact uh your F limit is 2.6 this project is coming in at 1.47 that calculates to a difference of 1.2 million square feet that could have been added that could have been proposed by the developer um that you know that's a large scale Regional Mall just to kind of put some perspective on that what that that number means uh would that generate more fiscal impact sure would it generate more impacts on your infrastructure certainly um and then uh in the project is in compliance with the height requirements um the parking requirements you can see that uh we have 2,113 uh proposed parking spaces almost all of that is in garage uh uh structured garages which I think is was a nice change for the project I mean today for The Pedestrian they walk by really large surface parking lots uh those aren't uh Pleasant to look at um they're doing a really nice job I think with the frontage of this project uh I've been very impressed with the design work um and then in terms of permitted uses the um both the community redevelopment district and the large resort District both allow um temporary lodging uses as well as these accessory uses terms of setbacks the Coastal Construction Control line is essentially the rear setback if you will uh the side setback requirement is 10% of the lot width or 30 ft whichever is less and the project complies with that standard and then I want to walk through you've heard you you've seen the drawings uh the the uh Graphics showing the setbacks but I just want to excuse me Mr M if you'll if you'll permit me a question sure you've been presenting for 15 minutes how many more slides do you have please six six okay thank you um so the uh there are two standards for setback for front setbacks for buildings that are uh less than 50 feet greater than or less than 50 feet the setbacks the minimum requirement is 25 ft for buildings that are larger than 50 ft uh and and height the the minimum set back has to be at least equal to that uh to that height as you can see from the right column uh were the projects um front yard setbacks for the for the smaller buildings are are all over 200% um greater than the the minimum requirement and so what's great about that is you know it's as we've talked about it's creating this open feeling much better pedestrian experience and so the the the design team has essentially tried to balance that staircased uh that that uh that wedding cake approach in terms of stepping back the Heights and at the same time pulling the the buildings back away from the coastal High Hazard area to protect uh the C Mark views so that I thought they did a great job in in in balancing those objectives I'm not going to go through all these in the interest of time I've submitted my report into the record I carefully reviewed conceptual plans the architectural and civil drawings uh the the traffic study the evacuation plan some of the other exhibits um uh the project is consistent with all of these policies and objectives that you see here these are the ones that are mandatory that appli to the project compa and and by the way I should mention that that first requirement regarding consistency with the comprehensive plan is the first Criterion under your LDC section 4.4a the second one is compatibility uh it's important as we think about compatibility to understand that that applies to the conditional use aspects of the project and so what does that mean that means it applies and as we think about the tower Heights because they're greater than 50 fet um in my opinion this my professional opinion these the tower has been or oriented and and placed uh in a in a very respectable way to achieve compatibility and to protect the C Mark views um I also want to emphasize that um along that along the same lines when you think about the restaurant the Beachside restaurant the compatibility review for that restaurant is is tied to noise it's limited to the noise issue uh there was discussion earlier about the height well the height is as of right is a owed to be 50 ft so we're we're coming in at about half of the actual as of Bri height uh so when we talk about the compatibility of the restaurant what we're really just focusing on uh is the noise uh uh potential and in that regard they've they've uh proposed the the treated glass wall uh to deflect that sound to the interior of the property uh so I don't see any compatibility problem there at all um and and they they've taken some extra steps not really related to the compatibility issue as far as noise but uh the scrubbers for example that enhances compatibility it's not part of the conditional use review to the extent that it's not one of the uh criteria that's triggering uh the the the conditional use review so under your under your comprehensive plan and code the analysis is really focused on the noise issue the next section um of your code uh sets out a standard that uh there should be no unreasonable or disproportionately negative impacts U let me back up because I just I I should at least um mention the the other items I just um you've already heard about these so I don't want to go through them in detail I'm happy to answer any questions but we're consistent with the uh items three through 7 um I will just say that again on the on the uh consistency requirement of the statute the uh capacity and timing issue uh uh applies in terms of the transportation improvements you've heard uh from our traffic engineer uh that the project is uh in compliance with the concurrency requirements for phase one and they've done that long-term analysis at this point uh at least to show there's capacity today for the build out of the project um so I won't go into any more detail on that other than to say it's very common and I I served as uh the Department's Transportation concurrency expert um when for for for many years and this the idea of of monitoring and modeling they call that mnm for larger scale projects is common it's done all over the state because you just can't forecast out 20 years uh of traffic in a reasonable way so instead of doing that all the major Urban metros have you come in and and do these updates every five years so this is very common uh finally as I said the uh the the test uh for consistency uh under your section 4.12a is that the project wouldn't cause unreasonable or disproportionately negative impacts um again these these items touch on some some of the all of the really the expert testimony you've already heard from from our architect and our engineer uh I'm not going to go through these other than to say that uh the Project's consistent with each of these um uh I thought the you know just the Aesthetics of the project are are really nice um I work on projects that that range from you know luxury quality uh down and and you've heard that you know different Resorts have a mix of different product types they've done a really nice job with this project um I will say that and I think it's important just to to remember that the operational requirements uh are addressed through the conditions and so um uh some of those conditions deal with some of the concerns that tie back to compatibility like uh like the noise uh uh concerned and and that's uh that's going to be mitigated uh if they come forward and they if they follow through and to have outdoor uh music for example which is proposed uh then you have a section of your code that has certain requirements that have to be met uh and so they'll have to you know they've those conditions address amplification enforcement uh provisions and the like um so with that um the final uh the final section final criteria is to um to ensure that there's no shading impacts uh which there are not to the seamor building um and as I said the restaurant's been limited uh in size to avoid um detrimental impact so there won't be any um unreasonable or unduly negative impacts on the C Mark in my opinion with that uh my expert opinion as a planner is that the project is consistent with the comprehensive plan and code the land use is compatible and it satisfies your code crates for a cup review so with that I'll answer any questions thank you Ryan can you put this back on the screen please thank you Commissioners I got a question you said I believe you word words you use you've uh you've worked on projects of luxury quality would you consider this a project of luxury quality absolutely thank you any further questions thank you sir thank you Mr Mayor that ends our presentation we would just answer any questions and Reserve any time for a butle okay thank you thank you then we can move on to audience comments city clerk okay I've been asked to call the longer ones first and that would be Jane Graham and joln Lawson if you'll please state your name and affiliation for the record mayor could I ask a question because we know that Miss Graham is representing several people um for those people to be stand and be recognized because I know there sort of membership and I think she had just called the next name that I believe is within this membership [Applause] ran can you please put on the overhead thank you you just rotated to the left there you go so she's getting 15 minutes correct she asked for 10 minutes and 5 minutes and rebuttal okay so said no to rebuttal so I think it's 10 minutes so it's 10 minutes and she's representing the tech St PB so I don't know if there's four people here that are allowing we said 15 minutes that the rebuttal that she wouldn't be getting a separate rebuttal but that should be getting 15 minutes yeah it's your decision I'm just letting you know what she asked for it's going to be less than 15 minutes it's probably going to be less than 10 actually okay thank you again if you'll please St your name and affiliation would appreciate that for the record sure good evening my name is Jane Graham an attorney and founder and small business owner of sunshine city law at 737 Main Street Suite SE uh 100 in Safety Harbor I represent protect St Pete Beach advocacy Group which is a nonprofit dedicated to ensuring the beauty of development projects and maintaining the character of St Pete Beach protects members have a substantial interest over and above that of the general community and is made of St Pete Beach residents who live in close vicinity to Gulf Boulevard between 6 60th and 52nd Avenues directly impacted by the potential transformation of the beauty hotelscape and infrastructure on Golf Boulevard protect cares about wildlife and beauty of its W view sheds and the M community and these are some pictures actually that were taken of the beach and Wildlife um on St Pete Beach by some of protect's members and you will hear more from director jolen Lawson about that I want to make something really clear my client is not anti development they just want it to be done right and we're really actually happy to hear tonight from the developer that he is committed to having conversations protect St Pete Beach respectfully request that you either deny or at very least postpone a vote on the these items tonight because there are too many unanswered questions and there are some holes in the information and some facial deficiencies of the application which it's even the staff notes in their own report so let's tap on the breaks and actually work together as a community to have more discussions and find solutions that people can be happy about um about this giant expansive development on Gulf Boulevard it's the applicants burden to show as you know with competent substantial evidence that their cup application complies with the city's code and the comprehensive plan and for multiple reasons this application fails to do so so under Section 4.4a standards of review these boxes which we'll go through at the ending as well are are issues where we don't believe that there is competent substantial evidence that fully supports likewise under 4122 uh for Sorry 4 4.12a um there're also some outstanding issues let's first talk about lost views and what's interesting about lost views is that your staff admits that the views are impacted and they actually from the staff report there's a quote that says that it will eliminate a significant portion of the view corridor so what is the applicant solution for this significant impact well it's a rooftop area where people will come and enjoy and so here's the site plan and so the green is a tiny sliver within a monolith of the concrete and so I I ask you you know does does this really meet what you need as far as preserving a a view and I would also remind you that as part of a of a the the cup of the comprehensive plan future land use policy 2.13 states that the city shall continue to administer the regulations aimed at preserving access to and view of the beach and other recreational facilities for all residents and visitors to this community so this is not something that's just about the seark this is not just about people who are immediately a budding this is big picture what does the view shed look like and and what's interesting is that your staff actually talks about it I want to talk to you about the sea turtle violations and this is why so section 3.16 c 1 19 requires that sorry one requires that when a violation has been determined to exist the city manager must refrain from issuing substit subsequent development approvals until the violation is corrected so here's the deal about this the staff actually admits in their report that there are issues with the marine turtle lighting and just over the weekend Lisa Reich sent in a code complaint for some of the properties in question and here are some pictures of 6,000 Gulf Boulevard um and also 5500 Boulevard now the other thing that I wanted to mention is I know that the attorney uh Mr Matthew McConnell had stated that there are no open code cases however if you go on your code website you'll see that actually there are several code cases case number 2021 0455 which um was actually opened in it was on September 7th 2021 and actually still says open and there's um several others as well so this is for 5900 Golf Boulevard there's 6,000 Golf Boulevard and 5700 Golf Boulevard so I ask you to you know ask the serious question these are open violations I think maybe you guys should ground truth some of the information that you're getting sometimes things get lost in translation just because people work in silos so please um that you know this you need to follow um 3.16 now the other thing as well is that the TRC comments actually noted the marine turtle lighting issue and the applicant's response was well this isn't a cup issue this just this you know we we'll work on this and we're happy they said that they'll work on this but under 3.6 it actually is an issue so we do request that you take this seriously um and suspend this um consideration of the application until it's actually fixed and in compliance with the code now for traffic there's some big picture problems um but to not get into that I would just say that we uh protect actually our our Ally Lisa Robinson hired Drew roor uh as an independent traffic analyst who took a look at some of at the um the traffic study and he found that there are a couple issues um one of them is that the background traffic growth doesn't match the forward panel level of service report and so the numbers don't actually add up and so it means that if you really did use the numbers that are under forward pelis U Mr roor said it's likely that the segments on Gul Boulevard would exceed the threshold and be considered deficient here is a a table from the report that Mr roor pulled out but it shows that you know some of these numbers for the traffic distribution they don't add up to 100% it's supposed to be you know when you're going out of the project it's n it's only 92% so obviously this is a flaw that needs to be looked at now there's an email in your agenda packet from um attorney mbat cell that states that Pasadena Avenue traffic should not be considered and we would just say that we we disagree because that contradicts um comprehensive plan sections that speak to the need to look at plans of neighboring jurisdictions and um also just looking at whether it will have a significant adverse impact on the livability of the area and so in this case um Pasadena Avenue is is something that people widely use a lot and it's it's critical okay let's talk a little bit about the parking garage and here's parking garages actually and and this is what I'll say about that there are four parking garages and if you look at this table which is from the the conceptual site plan there's a huge Delta which means that there's an excess of 1695 spaces and first it's like well that's good but then it's like well why are you having 18% more parking spaces than are actually needed and if you look at the conditional use criteria under 35.2 you see that for commercial garage you actually need a separate conditional use and so we ask you know is this really parking for a back of the house or is it something else is it you know they're trying to get in another year but not really having that conversation and so we think that you need to have some questions about that and actually your TRC asked that question too and said are you sure this isn't commercial and they're like yeah yeah it's not commercial well I think there's a reason why your TRC asked that the other thing I do want you guys to know and I see I'm running out of time and I'm not sure is that for the 10 minutes or the 15 minutes try 10 10 okay could I please have the yep extra okay um when you talk about the floor area ratio in the definition of floor area structured parking garages do not fall under this category there is Exempted so I ask you and this information is not in the site plan the dimensions what is the floor area of these four parking garages and if you were to calculate that what what would that gross floor area do to your F and the reason why that's important is because it gives you an idea of what is really the massing and what is the scale of this because yes on paper the f is 1.47 which is really nice it doesn't hit the the require the the requirement but with four parking garages that are Exempted what does that actually look like and and get get that that number down because that's something that's not clear your staff noted some concerns about financial capability I I saw that the applicant did testify to some of that tonight we won't go into a lot of detail um we would say that we the information that was provided was actually provided about their contractor Cummings group um and we know it is our position that that that type of information is speculative it doesn't speak specifically to 1754 your staff also raised questions about architectural features um updated renderings and criteria not met should take it seriously multiple ownership their questions I'm not going to go into that here's the big picture question for you I don't even know what time it is this project is asking for something to be phased over 20 years and what are you giving up approving something that's phased over 20 years and what it is is binding the hand of a future commission you're holding development to an obsolete LDC 20 years ahead and I think it was actually commissioner RIS Nikki who asked an excellent question which is aren't we doing a comprehensive Plan update right now and and yes I mean this is why we want to have our development be responsive to people's concerns and so that's why under this specific circumstance it's really the wrong time to have a project of this gigantic scale and you're kind of just drawing a point in time and saying okay 2024 we're good for the next 20 years so again here's the criteria fails to meet it um under 4.4a and 42 um finally the development agreement again what are you actually agreeing to now there there is some discussion about you know what is the duration of the development agreement 45.5 talks about it's actually it shall not exceed 10 years or such time at as the ACT May provide which um I would say that you know this is ultimately this is a decision of you as a commission to make you need to make sure that it's in compliance but also that it's suiting your needs and for some of these issues how far out are you finding them on concurrency are you really taking care of yourself um applicable and again the applicable city code and ordinances this is exerpt it's under Section 10 that talks about holding the city codes policies and Charter Provisions in place at the time that this is this is voted on um I would say that as far as the development agreement ment as well under 40 um under the 45.2 uh 412 there are some requirements needed for looking at the principles of the um the financial companies that you're looking at and I we don't see that competent substantial evidence in the packet so ultimately we on behalf of protect St Pete Beach thinks that you know while there are some promising aspects about this it doesn't it comes up short on the traffic analysis or ultimate issues with that the views it's you know not enough to just have a rooftop um the parking is Highly Questionable and the development agreement is putting you in a situation where you're agreeing to something that will actually set you back 20 years we appreciate the opportunity to comment on this and we would hope that we would be able to have further conversations to actually work through these issues and come up with some solutions um I did send a letter yesterday that had other objections and so I put that in the record and I have copies of um the documents that I can submit to the record as well thank you thank you very much mayor I'm I'm a little concerned here that a lawyer representing protect St Pete Beach just spoke and the next person coming up is the director for protect St Pete Beach advocacy group to me that is a little disrespectful for our time not to mention all those who are here in the audience who want to get three minutes of their time to now have to give another additional three minutes when I Can See Clearly there's other people in this audience who are also in protecting P Beach advocacy group I would rather have people who who have not had the opportunity to speak I mean this why are we giving 15 minutes and possibly 20 minutes to a representative of a group when other people are when more people are going to speak it doesn't make sense to me that is what we agree to in the beginning and I don't see any reason to make that change now I think we're going to stay consistent and fair I mean that is what we agreed on we had a discussion very early on I don't recall that discussion she's listed at six minutes Jin Yes and she'll be last it'll be like all right good evening uh my name is jolen Lawson the director of protect St Pete Beach advocacy group um and I live at 5407 Leilani Drive protect St Pete Beach is dedicated as an organization to protecting the beauty character safety and environmental well-being of St Pete Beach and specifically the area along the beach in the large resort District our members are residents who live in the close vicinity to the Gulf Boulevard between 60th and 52nd Avenues directly impacted by the potential transformation of the beauty hotelscape and infrastructure on G Boulevard our members frequently enjoy the beaches in a large resort District swimming Wildlife watching and enjoying our state designated Scenic views they enjoy the viewshed along Gul Boulevard and the beach they drive on Gulf Boulevard to get home they use infrastructure for water and depend on the same area for emergency services as an organization protect St Pete Beach has participated in numerous public hearings and meetings articulated objections and ideas to protect the character of properties in the large resort District as well as filing a suit challenging a recent conditional use approval granted in the large resort District the SRA our primary organizational purposes and activities include the study and protection of natural resources and preservation of St Pete Beach's character and the advocacy of sound land use and growth management policies affecting the beauty and environment of our immediate Community granting this conditional use permit will adversely affect our members enjoyment viewsheds Public Access infrastructure and the use of the beach as a natural resource area we know that there will be development and Redevelopment in St Pete Beach that is a fact and we are not fighting the idea of development we just would like it done right we are here tonight to respectfully ask you take a step back continue to ask serious questions and talk about how we can work together to find real solutions for this giant expanse of development on Gulf Boulevard this project is not ready to be approved uh let's talk about the rooftop view proposal future land use policy 2.11 three states that the city shall continue to administer the Land Development regulations in a manner aimed at preser preserving the access to and view of the beach and other recreational facilities for all residents and visitors to this community this plan turns our viewshed into a wall of structured parking lots and buildings then the develop velers is inviting people up to the rooftop as a consolation prize how many people can fit on this Rooftop in contrast how many people are losing their beautiful view and how does a rooftop area cure the DraStic change to the overall character and beauty of Gulf Boulevard St Pete Beach is a treasure and our shared treasure which chairs is white sand beaches open Skies and familyfriendly laidback car objective 2.4 of the comprehensive plan states that the city of St Pete Beach shall enforce and protect the city's character through the encouragement of Redevelopment which ensures an orderly and aesthetic mixture of land uses even with building setbacks a wall of buildings with parking garages does not help that Vision it is solely in your power to make decisions to ensure that as our area grows into the future what we love most about it is not lost finally or in conclusion I would like to say that we adopt the arguments of Lisa Robinson cart Condominiums and John kurman thank you thank you mayor before the next person speaks I just want to be clear for the record and the court reporter that everyone else was allotted three minutes or is going to be allotted three minutes except for Miss Graham and protect St P beach in case there's any due process arguments in the future thank you mayor I have Robert fiser AI Yeo Paul Warford and before we go any further would the attorney like to rebut now I'm sorry and if they are not here next time okay thank you go ahead Robert Fischer AI yowi Paul Warford and Dale shunan good evening if you'll please state your name and address for the record Bob fiser 4780 Britney Drive South and I'd like to thank you for your service to the city all of you have made a significant contribution of time and effort and uh we appreciate it I'm one of three elected board members of the jackar Randa Condo Association this is a building at the trade WIS resort with 288 units owned by individuals and families like myself utilize units for family vacation donate time to nonprofit organizations for their fundraising and use income to supplement their retirement livelihoods the trade wins manages these units on our behalf to create a uniform integrated Resort they're willing to invest hundreds of millions of dollars at no expense to us to create a worldclass resort that have a huge long-term positive benefit to St Pete Beach's image reputation residence and its business Community a benefit that hasn't been addressed is the joy and lifelong memories created for thousands of families each year at the trade winds some beach hotels cater to Rowdy college students the trade winds focuses on families to better serve those families they plan to add bowling alley climbing walls game rooms to complement the paddle boards paddle boats water slides Pirate Adventures and floating golf playground you realize it is more than buildings when you see Smiles on grandfather's faces watching their grandparents joy as they're sliding down the two-story water slide or parents teaching their children to swim in one of the many pools I feel sharing our beach with these families is much more of an honor than it is a burden I believe having modern world-class Resorts limited to a very small portion of Golf Boulevard will complement and balance the charm of our older neighborhoods and bring new life to our community in life change is inevitable the trade wi's proposal is positive change I urge you to support their proposal thank you thank you as a reminder if you haven't been sworn in make sure you let the city clerk know please state your name and address for the record good evening everybody my name is AI yes managing direct for trade WIS it's an honor to be in front of you here this evening so my owners have asked me to temper my enthusiasm for which I know is incredible excitement for the future of St Petersburg and we're so proud to be part of that commitment thank you um St Pete Beach is trade wins Trade Winds is St Pete Beach as long as we're unified and understand that that is the beauty of having a synonymous relationship bringing the the best that we can overall for everybody around us not trade wi's employees not just the guests but the community the skies limit more so I'm very honored to be representing our community tonight in fact there's a lot of trade wins employees both St P Beach residents and overall community members that are here I want to give you a very um encouraging and exciting statement of support for where we are we are the employees of trade wins a significant portion of us have committed many many years of service to trade wins and the St be Beach communities respectively and we are incredibly proud of the vibrant culture we've created here in total we amount to a thousand people you can do the math and divide that in 9,000 many of us live in St Pete Beach in the immediate surrounding communities our operation contributed substantially to the overall tax base but leave the numbers aside we are highly active in the social and cultural life here the this is our family and this is our home we are writing to tell you that it's incredibly important for the commission to approve the trade wi Cup this cup contains incredible benefits for the community that are simply impossible right now based on the very large Amalgamated um complex of the resort this includes back of house space employee bathrooms change rooms break rooms new laundry rooms climate control incredible impact on the ass experience it will make our quality of life so much more desirable and what's already an incredibly desirable place to work this expansion means significant career growth for many many people in this room it's going to impact the livelihood and the future of our community and their communities please approve the cup and please approve this development we really hope that you'll vote in favor I can tell you right now there is no Community that's more proud to be part of St P Beach than trade wins thank you allow us to do you justice and our community Justice I'll make one more comment which is a perfect plan to be presented is easy to pick apart when you're looking at the details but when you have the motive and the drive and the support there's a panel of 30 experts in this room to show you we want to do best for us and for you it's not a USM game thank you so much appreciate it thank you uh one more thing we have an incredible petition you're signed by several hundred of both St P Beach residents and community members that I'd like to put on the record for us um Mr Smith thank you for reminding me of that my excitement we uh we're thrilled please say yes you can hand it to the city clerk thank you next comment please Paul worold 5216 sand trap Place Val Rico Florida I'm a jack Rando owner board member and small business owner and it's really to that small business piece that I'd like to speak very briefly about St Pete population 8,800 people St wonderful people sorry St Pete Beach wonderful population look the people love their community no doubt about it but at the end of the day there's a lot of lot of businesses here and 8,800 people simply cannot support all of them right we saw that in Co right if you get rid of the tourism you get rid of the business Travelers these these companies are going to lose money right they may have to lay off people or even worse they go bankruptcy or to leave now we know that now look tourism and business travel is absolutely vital for restaurants gas stations stores markets right transportation services all the water sports the museums Sports all these things we know that that's why right your your local governments are spending millions of dollars to attract these types of folks right all the tourism and and and the business Travelers I think if you take a look at it right it the new amenities that the trade ones is offering is a perfect complement to what you're trying to do it's those new amenities that will that will be actually able to get you a better return on your advertising dollars so look improvements in new services are critical to Growing businesses constantly trying to reinvent yourself and draw new and repeat business that's our goal improving the visitor experience right increasing chances to get a repeat customer or increased referrals that's that's what keeps us growing and and it's imper U imperative to add to that I just want to comment a little bit on general cost everybody knows that costs are going through the roof right there're especially cost especially you know when you think of flood insurance for example right we're getting crushed now at the end of the day you know that's going to mean loan defaults mortgage default all these things could go wrong businesses are looking for for places that are not on barrier uh Islands right because of those Associated cost we've got to find a way to keep this business friendly and that's all I'm trying to get at many small businesses are literally one event away from either having to to make no money lay off people or close their doors and we've seen that have Co happen again boom even the red tide event that happens down in Sarasota gets the national public attention and it hurts St Pete Beach so these are the types of things we just have to be cognizant of as as we're thinking about our small businesses look tax dollars are needed for the infrastructure we know that I saw in the presentation maybe $20 million coming towards that that's not a small amount that is that is a wonderful investment look from what I saw in that presentation earlier 80% of your property tax dollars are coming from the residents right only 20% from the commercial you want to do the residents a favor get someone else to help with this burden because guess what If you deny the C the cup you're still going to have to maintain your roads you're still going to have to maintain your your sewage all that's still going to have to done and it's all going to fall in the residents there has to be the ability to to see both sides of this and I think that you know uh it's something to keep in mind because I can tell you what doesn't work this past year I had double digigit property tax increases double digit that's not sustainable right we simply cannot not do that and especially when it falls again to the residents so in closing you know from what I've heard the trade ones has done everything they can think of and been asked to do to mitigate any of the resident issues or the Planning Commission thank you that's why the planning board recommended it 5 to0 so thank you so thank you the next names are Dale shiman Tim boget Robin Miller and Emily SCH good evening everyone I'm here on behalf of cor Reef Beach state your name and address for the record Dale shinman general manager of coral reef 5800 Gulf Boulevard thank you which is the association of a time share property located at 5800 gold Boulevard between trade winds Rumfish and the island Grand properties as you know is an independent property with over 2,000 owners who have enjoyed our beautiful community over the last 40 years I've been lucky enough to be with them for over 20 I've watched some of the children grow up there as you would expect we had to work closely with trade wins on a variety of matters over the years including guest activities coordinations constructions Renovations collaborations and much more we are writing we are here today to express our wholehearted support for the trade winds Expansion Project and urge the commission to Grant the conditional use permit we believe the project will not only enhance and appeal the value of our neighborhoods but also benefit our property in many ways some of the advantages coral reef and the other residents include a um a walkway for the guest to enjoy more Beach rids for our guests and for the public more attractive and modern trade WIS with better dining and entertainment options for our guests less flooding on Gulf Boulevard for smoother arrival and departure experience for our guests access to viewing platform and that offers cenic views around the beach and the bay and more you may not be aware but trade wins has been a great partner for us for for many aspects such as parking Beach equipment security and more they' have always been there for us in times of need whether it be a hurricane or a pandemic we value our relationship with trade WIS and we want you to know that we would be a huge loss for us if the conditional use permit is denied as we represent over 2,000 stakeholders in the community we hope that you will take our interest into serious consideration and that the commission will approve the conditional use permit I thank you for your time thank you sir please state your name and address for the record good evening Robin Miller uh president and CEO Tampa Bay Beach's Chamber of Commerce 6990 Golf Boulevard um I speak to you today on behalf of the chamber and the business community that we represent you probably wonder why we do not have any other businesses here behind me um a lot of them uh I've spoken to do support this project a lot of what the gentleman before me said uh relying on the the tourism to help support their business but not coming here today uh largely in part is because they are afraid they're afraid of retaliation and maybe some residents not wanting to go to their business if they put a face to their support uh of this project so I just want to really put that out there because that is a true Testament and a true uh feeling in our business Community after this is done I think that's something we all probably want to look at trade wins being one of the largest employers not only on this beach but actually in panella's county of those thousand employees not only come to work here and rely on this facility but they also they also engage in our community around St Pete Beach outside of what they do on property I want to bring up two really important points about this project I love the quote that Lee said at the beginning of this meeting because that is the the absolute vein of this project it is a catalyst it is not only a catalyst for St Pete Beach but it is a catalyst for pillis County and that is because this project has not only addressed extremely environmentally friendly issues but it is addressing resiliency you speak about resiliency all of the time and resiliency is not just sea level rise right resiliency is having new stru structures that can withstand an unfortunate incident which we don't want but in the event it does come to us like it did in Fort Meyers we'll end up having toothpicks on this beach but if we do not take the moment to approve this cup and let this be the Catalyst that can lift up this community and panelas and really demonstrate how well thought out this is and how much it really can do as a Barrier Island and the Barrier island is the barrier to the residents here I'd lastly like to say that you know I know that our business Community they don't get legitimately get a vote because they're not a resident most of them um but they do contribute and they are property taxpayers most of them they own their buildings so we can't forget that that is a voice of reason as well and a voice of support so thank you for your time and we do hope you uh consider passing the CP thanks thank you next person please again Tim boget Emily SCH Dean Fortune Victor Ortiz please state your name and address for the record Emily SCH um here with the blue green vacations uh Treads Resorts uh good evening um thank you for allowing me to talk here today um with the expansion of trads Island resorts my name is Emily schal as I said I'm the director of Blu green vacations I have been 13 years particularly particularly working with St Pete Beach uh the community um I've also been a resident of of St P Beach for the last 6 years we have 162 units that are located within the Breen Ridge building at Tradewinds the units are owned by thousands of Blu green vacation owners and are also accessible to the vast Blu green vacation club membership base due to the Sandy white beaches and tourist destinations that St Pete Beach provides Breen Ridge Club at Tradewinds is one of our most popular destinations requested Nationwide I'm here speaking on behalf of Blu green vacations requesting the approval of trade one's conditional use permit as many of our owners and members who come to St P Beach expect to see the quality of the expansion the quality of that the expansion represents with roots dating back to the 1960s tradewins Island resorts began as a small collection of Bungalows and smaller buildings and grew over the decades to improve the experience it has always been and always will be a family resort that many have come to live over the years with that in mind it's now time to breathe life back into tradewins for the next 60 years to provide the UN an unforgettable experience for our owners members and guests this depends on an updated modern and Quality Property in addition to a well-maintained city infrastructure approval of the conditional use permit is needed so that trade's Resort can be fully maintained and modernized apart from modernizing the trade woms Resort and improving the beach infrastructure this expansion will be a catalyst for the St Peach Beach economy as we spoke about um it'll also create many uh new permanent jobs you know about another 500 construction related jobs in closing it's important to note that your decision regarding the conditional use permit affects others beyond the resort itself St b beach has become the great City that it is today due to tourism and we owe it to continue to modernize and do what's best for not only for our visitors but for our St Pete Beach residents as well Blu green vacation supports the approval of the conditional use permit as it's very important to our owners members guests and prop approximately 150 team members who work on site and are also some are St P Peach residents appreciate your time and thank you thank you next person please Dean Fortune Victor Ortiz Aaron Grassman Travis Johnson Raymond Brooks please state your name and address for the record Dean Dean fortun uh 1290 St Petersburg um do everybody so articulate I I can't can't follow up into that enthusiasm anyway my parents uh started uh bought the Alden in 1957 67 years ago and from that trade wins has evolved over over the years uh I guess I've really never had a legitimate day job I've always been at trade wins um time has passed um I'll just say a few anecdotes in support of uh 7 1754 um previous iterations of trade wins have always been locally owned my parents and Tim bogot um and as as great as a local community is a local ownership is finance and financial responsibility was was always required you always had to think short term and have adequate return on your investment and as a result trade wins evolved was never long-term plan and what is being proposed and what you see now is Trade Winds is a unique special place because of this Evolution but also behind the scenes it is an accumulation it is a beast to run uh long-term planning is really the proper way to go at things that we've never had that luxury in the past to do that s 1754 does bring the other um thing that um I want to do say is what 1754 did not do when they purchased the company in 2009 sugar Sands Was An approved project by the commission architecturals were completely drawn it was ready to break ground and basically they looked at the project and said no it was not the proper long-term best for the property uh it was going to be a large Monumental um monolith on GF Boulevard not set back um that we all end basically would be blocking any future connections with the 1754 able to pick up the Alden and integrate the property now you could actually create a furnit road that the other project would not have allowed that would have been the easy thing to do something Millions had already been spent on and then they could just go ahead and do a turnkey on that they chose not to start from scratch take the risk come back to you for re-approval for additional things so I think that um that's a good place to end I appreciate uh what they're what Joe Smith's doing he candidly said yes it was ugly and that's what they did are not doing they are setting properties back uh structures back back from the street and we're creating that Fage Road that we've all dreamed about having and he can actually provide letting the property be more inward-facing rather than dumping all the traffic on the Gul Boulevard uh and the guests having to drive through GF Boulevard thank you sir thank you not sure what you worried about you speak just fine I don't do stuff like this uh recalling Victor Ortiz Aaron Grassman Travis Johnson Raymond Brooks Joe jeno Kelly Bellinger please state your name and address for the record Aaron Grassman 8911 blind Pass Road good evening I'm a 30 plus year resident of St Pete Beach and great greatly hope for 30 plus more that is if we do not become like Clearwater Beach this was my initial concern after hearing about this expansion I have now gained a more complete and understanding about the plans I now realize that my fears were unfounded I've changed from why expand to why not improve what I Now understand about the five blocks from 5,500 to 6,000 is I will no longer see any trucks or buses blocking the road I will no longer see cars blocking the road while waiting to enter pedestrians lives will be safer car accidents will decrease the the appearance will be beautiful I have better access to our beautiful beach I will have great access to a beautiful rooftop view I will have access to more amenities Joe Smith I want to thank you for not maximizing the available the available density for not erecting Towers blocking neighboring views for your design with respect for Aesthetics residence environment and nature for keeping my taxes lower for being a responsible owner protecting the value of St Pete Beach this expansion proposal has caused me to analyze our traffic issues after seeing all the cars towed from Dolphin Village the large traffic backups waiting to get onto the beach seeing the large increase in traffic on weekends despite all the hotels being full the entire week I've concluded that the biggest traffic issues are caused from neighboring non- Beach residents not Hotel guests who tend to use Hotel facilities and walk to nearby businesses I believe this proposed enhancement will improve our beach and that thankfully it will not be like Clearwater Beach I am 100% behind this Improvement thank you thank you next person please please state your name and address for the record good evening my name is Joe jeno I my property that I own is located at 5445 Gulf Boulevard Sunrise Resorts so all of you know that that's directly across from the parking lot we are on the corner of 55th Eng Golf Boulevard I am the President of the condo board there I've been been president three times over the 24 years that I've owned the property seark is right next door and I hear a lot of discussion all evening about seamark and nobody has said anything about the trade about the sunrise and trade winds so I'm here to speak on behalf of Sunrise first let me say that by profession I'm a mediator in the state of Michigan not in Florida I also sit on the board of review back there and have been on the tax tribunal in Michigan for a long time so I understand all of the questions that you've been proposing to propose tonight to the team and I think they've been well founded and what you found is the same thing that I found when I started my first discussion with them on this development project was that the team was very agreeable to all the discussions that we had in the concerns I felt as though uh Mr Smith and his team were willing to sit down and roll up their sleeves and answer any questions because of course we were going to be impacted the most by this we've had a parking lot directly across the street from us and it was said a little earlier it's filled with trucks coming and going and sometimes it has uh uh various pieces of equipment that are parked out there and used so we really don't have a great view of the beach from our location when we asked our owners originally how they felt about it I would say the general consensus was why can't we just have sand and palm trees why do we have to have any development but of course we all know that doesn't exist that's not possible development well-founded well-reasoned development is what really important to us my experience is 45 years coming to St Pete Beach my first time I came here was to stay at the trade winds since then my two daughters have been married at the Tradewinds out in front of the beach over the last 15 years we've celebrated every holiday there I'm sure a lot of you have also spent you know a Easter brunch there New Year's Eve celebration or any other major event in your life um it's important to know that the tradewins is there for the community someone said you know during the pandemic I was here during the pandemic I was out there helping direct traffic I didn't see anybody else from in here out there helping except for the people that work for trade WIS when there was hurricanes and they took the dogs I could go on and on with what they've done for the community because they're a part of our community they're not just a business there to try to take the dollars and leave they really support the community and I think it would be it it would be sad if we didn't grant them the opportunity to do this development to make sure that they can continue to grow in the future and support what we need to use that facility for I I Look to than you sir support for this project thank you Kelly Bellinger Cindy Perry Joanne Zac Mike Greger please state your name and address for the record good evening almost there Travis Johnson 1198 44th Avenue Northeast I've had the distinct honor and privilege of being not only a trade win's member or not sorry not only being a member of the St P Peach Community but a proud employee of trade wins for the past 24 years I was fortunate to work with Mr Tim bogot and Keith Overton for over two decades after tradewin sold in 2019 I continued with 1754 properties who purchased the hotel and have proposed tonight an incredible vision of what the future can be for us and our community both tradewins and STP Beach weren't the only thing I fell in love with 20 years ago I met my wife who also works at tradewins and still does to this day we got married right on this very beach 19 years ago both my wife and I have been embedded in this community ever since Tradewinds and St Pete Beach are a huge part of our Lives along with our now two teenage daughters I started as an intern at Tradewinds and was blessed with the opportunity to grow my career along uh grow my career since along the way I am proud to have served on our community in capacities like the Tampa Bay beaches board of directors the Florida restaurant Lodging Association board board of directors and countless hours volunteering with amazing organizations right here in our own backyard I share this St P Journey with you as I believe it provides a very relevant and unique perspective for this pivotal time we are in today I read a read a quote recently that said change isn't risky being stagnant is I can't think of a more appropriate statement as we all contemplate what is in the best interest for our community I've had the ability to see where we were where we are and now hope I can Pro provide some critical input on where we should go St P Beach should not be stagnant our Vibrant Community is way too special to risk that label this time it is time for us to unite for the greater good and truly solidify the progression that we have made over the years whether new buildings new businesses new Bridges have all been initially met with hesitancy but eventually these enhancements are cherished improvements woven into the fabric of our community several years back a plan to responsibly move us forward Ward was made and approved by this community this is our time to ensure the future of St Pete Beach to provide a future that residents employees and the general Community can be proud of I humbly and respectfully ask that you support the exciting future of St Pete Beach and approve this expansion thank you very much thank you next person please hi my name is Raymond Brooks I live at 3813 Gul Bard first of all I'd just like to thank Mr Mayor I'd like to thank you and the Commissioners for your dedicated service to our community I've been a proud member of this community for the last 10 years and for the last five of those years I've been a proud member of the trade ones family I can't think of any time I've ever worked with a more dedicated group of individuals for everything that they do for our community everything that they do for us as employees it's afforded me the fact uh the opportunity to meet people from every place on Earth I've met people from all over the world they come here to share our beautiful beach and they come here and visit it just makes sense that we would give them a beautiful Resort a worldclass resort to come to and that's what Joe Smith is trying to give us he's trying to improve our community and as a community we can never stop moving forward we have to continue to move this board has a opportunity to do the right thing and have every trust that you will so I respectfully ask you to approve the trade win's expansion thank you thank you next person please okay I'm calling again for Victor Ortiz Kelly Bellinger Mike Greger Cindy Perry please state your name and address for the record hello I'm Kelly Bellinger 329 83rd Avenue s b beach um I've grown up here on s b beach and have been employed with the trade WIS Island resorts for 10 almost 10 years um I in full support of the Expansion Project and truly believe that it will only bring a plethora of benefits to the entire Community as a member and leader of our tradewins Eco team I proudly represent trade win's dedication and desire to keep the environment top of mine every step of the way this project signifies a bright future for our amazing Eco team we we are more than excited to continue and increase our efforts of sustainability and conservation through educational events uh continued Community Partnerships and internal Eco incentives or initiatives we strive to encourage all St P Beach visitors to only leave foot footprints on the sand thank you thank you next person please [Music] Ryan the overhead please thank you hello my name is Cindy Perry and I live at 1126 Focus sea is Drive I am an expert on it on St Pete Beach I have been coming here since I was 5 years old my grandparents lived here my parents lived here and I have owned property here since 1996 in addition I have academic degrees and credentials which have facilitated my review of the cup application I see many areas where there are inconsistencies between our land use regulations and this cup please look carefully at regulations concerning views adverse impacts green spaces impervious surfaces Etc also consider the long-term Financial implication ations which currently shift many cost to the residents in the future in thinking through my review I was reminded of a line in a poem by Robert Frost two roads diverged in a yellow wood you see we are at a Crossroads in determining the future of our city we want a codified permanent St Pete Beach wall in whatever final form this artwork takes or do we want to be consistent and uphold our land regulations to preserve our natural beauty while making it available for others to enjoy as the regulations intended what you have before you is a well done probably highly profitable multiphase plan for the expansion of the trade winds is a good first pass and their transparency about four phases is a good sign but that does not mean the city should approve prove in one instance a 20year four-phase project clearly enough analysis in detail cannot be known at this stage to just hand over the equivalent of a blank check of approval from the city asking for 20 years worth of approvals and one cup is not reasonable there are too many issues and confirms concerns for us to just skip over the analysis impact on our residents Beach and City even the national parks are acknowledging that overcrowding makes it harder to protect Wildlife fragile ecosystems and respond to emergencies thankfully for all of us they are beginning to address the impacts of overcrowding there we here on St Pete Beach are already facing adverse consequences from overcrowding for example in 20121 we did not have a single surviving black skimmer chick from the St Pete each nesting season not even one please deny the cup and uphold our land use reations next person please Joanne Zac Deb shner Claudine ree we'll be able to take two more comments and then we will need to have a discussion about adjourning or extending please state your name and address for the record William Lawson 547 leani Drive speaking for an inl of Claudine Reese so I appreciate the presentation that we've heard tonight and I can say as a resident of St Pete Beach my wife and I have enjoyed being neighbors down the street from trade wins we've had many Pleasant interactions with PL win uh trade wins staff and personnel with our family and there are credit to the community it's been great to see them here tonight and to see the support um I think my concern is this idea that we are massively increasing density on the trade winds property when the current properties that exist are not providing the best guest experience I have here a Trip Advisor review from February and there are many of these online it doesn't take any digging to find them where guests are regretfully calling the trade wins out for being dated and needing investment now we know that that's not a secret but I think the challenge that we have is that as we heard from Mr Smith tonight the economic reality of these different ownership structures and different business relationships inherent within each of these different Parcels makes it very difficult to offer a four Diamond experience across this entire Resort so when this applicant comes here and asks for a conditional use permit and a development agreement that's going to stretch out out over generation over a generation over 20 years to try to bring the entire Resort up to a much higher level of St of performance you know we don't want a resort where people are writing a review that ends we ended up staying one night didn't even unpack while a travel company managed to negotiate a full refund for for us and then move to a different facility we not we must do better we can do better and I think we can fall back on the reality that you know for every you see like this where people are boning the state of the current Tradewind facilities there's another review that talks about how great individual Tradewind employees are the people are great people this is a great property on a wonderful Beach can't we find a way to elevate the entire property together for the benefit of our community thank you thank you next person please nobody I called is coming forward how many more do you have how many more do you have I called Joanne Zac she's not here Lisa Robinson all right to the arch Linda lellan 2802 passag Grill way Florida native and sick to death seeing this happen to our beautiful beautiful beaches that are so fragile to the architect fake Greenery is not viable in Florida they bleach out in about six months we do have reclaimed water please use the real stuff when your one of your other people tells us that 1.5 million per year in taxes will come from that will be benefit to the city for 600 units I know nothing about a counting but I'm not stupid enough to believe that if you're investing $500 million there shouldn't be a better return on that investment because we are giving a lot by allowing this to happen to destroy our city we won't be able to drive down Gulf Boulevard for the next 20 years what are you thinking to the person who made the comment that they've made this group has made right with the resident at se Mark well I would suggest that you allow that person to come before city council and make their own comments speaking for them is out inappropriate absolutely inappropriate this is not the first fight I've been in I was with Davis Island in 1999 and we stopped high rises at the end of Davis Island I was with P the one on Pasa Grill 8th Avenue 42,000 foot Hotel they wanted to put in that didn't work either at none of these City Council meetings have I ever seen the police presence that I see in this room never this is not a police state we are still a democracy in this country and when residents get kicked out all you had to do was just tell ask the officer stand next to the man he will be quiet but to kick them out of this room is so aberant behavior that is unacceptable we are not a police state and you know what I'm talking about I'm quite sure of it mayor patrilla I hope this city council will vote no this is a huge huge detriment to our community there are no people in this community who are true residents who want this done this is all a business deal that a few people are going to make a lot of money good evening thank you all right next we need to have a conversation about um where they go from here tonight I'll it's it's okay we how many more left well we we have she's at least 10 more which is at least another 30 minutes maybe it's maybe it's time to pick a it doesn't sound like we're ready to obviously get to vote I shouldn't say Obviously so maybe it's time to pick another night to continue this so we have 30 minutes left to public comment yeah are all the 10 people here can you all raise your hand to make sure that you are here can you call out the names and there's only three minutes three minutes minutes for sure Mark and Katie Saunders it's three Jim not here Mark that's me orell I'm sorry did Mr did he indicate he had four he mentioned he had four people asking for 10 minutes who the last person you just read no no three minutes Vol okay who was it that said 10 minutes okay this one has no name on it Dan J Richardson hick Terry Groot seven plus Lisa I don't think count I didn't hear you call curan he he did did you include Miss Robinson yeah okay the thing about if just legally if you that's eight people one of them I guess has I don't see four people here but I guess four people signed up that's your decision as a commission but if you end in now then you can't I mean people can show up in the next meeting and public comment just stays open I I'd be inclined to finish public comment me too and then adjourn I agree but three M three minutes per person because we agreed on any extensions of that time on the sheet ahead of time I agree all right so you want to I would take the three minutes still a motion to extend the time pass 12 Okay so first we have a motion to what time I'll make a motion to extend until 12:45 just to make sure we can get through public comment just make it 1: a.m. to be safe Second City Clerk if you please do a roll call commissioner res Nikki yes vice mayor Lorenzen yes commissioner Marriott yes commissioner Philz yes mayor patrilla yes so when four people give up their time the Speaker gets 10 minutes per hour policy people from my understanding the four people are not here though no said that oh okay I'm sorry I thought that's what you all did we get four where are the four people can the four people please stand they're not here do you have your card yeah people you're representing while Hees people one Del okay okay thank you John to close for 10 minutes we'll just take him in order okay right at this point we Mr Robinson please state your name and address for the record Mr can you zoom in tighter Mrs it Lisa Robinson 7100 Boga drive that is the cut through Street to boou this is the current driveby view of Trade Winds look at it look at it this could be the last time you see it this is what brought you here or kept you here and now it's your decision to keep it for us or give it away to strangers short of tearing it down down there is no imaginable exchange for this daily driveby View and the offer of a rooftop view deck is just plain insulting I've lived in St Pete Beach for 35 years grew up in Treasure Island I have over 50 years experience and personal knowledge of the Beach's traffic and the changes that have occurred I and all of my neighbors along Gulf Winds and bogus Drive have a much greater stake with the increases in density and the traffic and safety issues that such development as the trade winds brings impact is surprisingly greatest between Gulf Winds Drive and the project access where the project accounts for 13 to 18% of the segment service volume and that is written by the TRC both the sadas and tradein developer Supply traffic studies are flawed with errors omissions and inappropriate data some of which I would call deceptive at best the review by the traffic expert Drew War has revealed critical flaws within the base tables and count and now finding out tonight that the development agreement seek seeks to sweep these flaws under the rug by not requiring concurrency in phase one is uncontable trade when's traffic study leaves out 2023 Ford panel's Max traffic volumes so that they can compound the 2% growth rate to show an impossible reduction of traffic in 2029 they're saying that the traffic is less and is less than the traffic in 2022 in 2029 it leaves out 8% of traffic which equates to 71 daily car trips going down 59th Avenue or residential street uses inappropriate and apparent and separate land use codes to allow for greater count reductions which aren't even during true peak hours the weekend tradein is not a retail strip center it is a self-serving Resort it uses two different trip generation methods for the study Network and the impact analysis where it should be one method it the Bible uses traffic volumes from the sarata analysis which are upon expert review were Incorrect and flawed as well therefore it compounds incorrect data flawed on top of other incorrect data the conceptual site plan counts do not match the residents and visitors alike deserve so much better than our city taking these studies at face value the Tradewind traffic study is not competent substantial evidence and no additional traffic Studies by this entity can be relied upon this is a 20-year Project based on a 20 year old comp plan and that is effectively 40 Years of obsolesence the fair I'm not against development I'm just asking for the truth Mr Robinson thank you for Mr Reich if you please state your name and address for the record hi I'm Lisa Reich 78th Avenue um you guys know me I've also sent uh a pretty extensive email in March um I think it was March 18th I'm here I know I have a very limited amount of time um I was out Friday evening and did a lighting survey and I'm I'm going to kind of share what I've done um and and the tools that I use to determine that trade wins is still non-compliant I've been working on this since 2021 I've patrolled the beaches for 13 years and and I have over the past two years gone through workshops and been trained by Sea Turtle Conservancy and their lighting team um I really don't want to be here I wish I wish they were compliant um but we've been talking about this for years so I want to show you this is the Rumfish north side and I'm going to SC over here I use what is called a blue film and the blue film is basically blocking out the wavelength that is longer wavelength which is our yellow orange Amber which is compliant so if you see blue blue means those are the non-compliant lights so this is Rumfish I'm going go back here this is the west side of Rumfish these are the rope lights and you can see the spotlight up top top going show you when I come here that Spotlight is compliant mostly it's not shielded but it's the right bulb the rope lights not compliant the lights in the rooms you can see this is the south building of Rumfish these are spotlights there's also room lights those are all fent I've been talking about this parking lot since 2019 since they took ownership these lights are the most destructive to our our uh sea turtle hatchlings there is some compliant lights there's one two maybe three four you see the white lights in the background if I go to the next screen those are the non-compliant lights I'm on the beach I'm almost to the water when I take these photos this is the trade winds this is the north building west side and I can go on and on every single building was non-compliant on some level and this is the technology I use thank you next person please mark and Katie Saunders and then Mark arado Tim Barnwell people raised their hands and now they're not coming forward so yeah come on up okay please state your name and address for the record yes um my name is Mark Aro I'm a little complicated because I my home address is in St Louis Missouri but I own a jack arinda um um condo and my mom who's 90 years years old owns one too love the properties I so have uh four um condos on 67th Avenue so I think I'm fairly neutral about um the traffic the people trade winds it's a great Resort one concern I have being a jack Randa owner um and you all might not be familiar with this but as an owner I get 47 cents out of every dollar that they sell the room for 4% goes aside for innovations that comes about every six years to keep their high standard so with me being an owner what's going to prevent them from selling a room for 100% of the new the new rooms coming in uh for them to sell me to to delegate selling my room where they they don't get their 53% and they're not getting anything so I have as much as I love trade wins I love the property from a business perspective I have to be objective to know what is in the foresight for me is being an owner that I don't get pushed aside and as you know as you as you expand occupancy and if they spread it equal that my room revenue is going to go down as they build new properties up last year my property uh the revenue the year before was 50,000 it went down to 35 which is a great Revenue my mom's property had the year before 35,000 went down to 20 she's 91 years old it's a great investment far but we did we this is true money we bought these properties far I want to make sure my investment holds up and that I don't get pushed tode for more growth that's not going to be positive and fair for me equal the other thing I have a concern for is safety for uh riding my bike if you go down in the Dan Cesar the bike lane ends there's more traffic coming and you're supposed to materially get in the Middle Lane go continue through uh Golf Boulevard and all the traffic merging coming across from ard's college heading towards town are flying they have no idea that's a bike zone so we have a lot of room for safety for bikers for pedestrians people are Renning stuff they don't know what they're doing sometimes I don't know what I'm doing and you better have your heads up because they'll kill you you see pedestrians going through the blinking red lights and they think the cars are automatically going to stop and they don't stop and I've told people before don't cross the intersection till they stop because you'll get killed so with all this new in fluctuation I want to make sure that if comes about safely and fairly and I'm a um positive for trade ones I love the people I love the employees but I want to make sure that I don't get lost in the shuffle along with my 91y old mom last thing in closing is U I just found out that they were bought by Hilton Grand Vacations and everybody's saying True Green still I'd like clarification on that because that sold 30 or 60 days ago and it's never been uh brought up by anyone here and also I've never been asked being a jackar owner while I feel about thank you sir the expansion thank you next person please if you please state your name and address for the record Tim Yarnell 5396 Golf Boulevard St Pete Beach I am the President of the C Mark Condominium Association and I'm here tonight on behalf of our community to speak in opposition to the current Trade Winds conditional use permit application as a follow-up to our letter submitted on Friday April 12th 2024 the C Mark is a direct neighboring property owner and Association C Mark is an adversely affected party who will suffer negative effects to protect property interest as well as stand to suffer greater harm than the community as a whole as a result of the proposed project accordingly the seark requests that it recognized as a party intervenor pursuant to Florida statute 2860153 St Pete Beach code of ordinance section 2- 66b I've been a successful business owner for more than 40 years with operations in both Michigan and Alabama I vacationed in St Pete Beach for 30 plus years and purchased my home in the seark in 2016 doing large part of the charm and the community feel of this area the seark building was completed in 1974 and sa some families who are original owners the building itself a total of 105 units and we are uniquely positioned directly in between the Sarat and the trade WIS properties all the current propos construction directly affects our building we adopt the comments and testimony made made by others about the effect this development will have on Public Safety including traffic and the environmental concerns partic particularly the effect on sea turtles increased wind as well as lost views that said I will focus my comment specifically on two things that most affect the sea Mark and its residents I would like to begin by acknowledging the open dialogue and cooperation that Joe Smith and his team have shown in working with the c mark on trying to mitigate several of our concerns we appreciate the TR Trade Winds valuing our concerns our two main concerns and the reason we believe the current conditional use permit should be denied relate to the negative effect on cellular signals and also the negative impact this plan would have on our views first on the cellular towers Towers it is important to note that our building's roof height is 103 ft and top of our parapat wall is 106 ft for the past 27 years the seark has been the site of cell phone towers for multiple carriers my understanding is the trade winds plans to erect a building directly adjacent to the Sea Mark that exceeds 125 ft in height since s cell signals travel with the line sight the proposed construction would negatively impact the signal that all St Pete residents and visitors rely on for communication we have not seen any data from either develop or the city that objectively demonstrates the effect those taller buildings will have on cell signal strength we are deeply concerned that the degraded cell signal will interfere with the ability to contact emergency services like EMS fire and police thank you sir that was three minutes that was goes fast I'm sorry yeah thank you we did receive your leather for the record as well whoever's coming up next those names I called Mark and Katie Saunders John kurman Dana Richardson Terry grot the last one are there four people here if you'll please state your name and address for the record are they getting 10 are we have four people I didn't see them can the four people please stand and identify themselves stand thank you one two three four thank thank you uh John kurman beond way so conditional use uh needs to have um intensive scrutiny and um one of the first things is that um the conditional use application um asked for the survey to show the proposed improvements um the proposed improvements are not shown on the survey with property lines and one of the things that's important is that normally you'd have five minutes or three minutes for each of the five lots that originally are involved here uh and and what we do see is that here are the five lots that are shown for the existing buildings and yet we have different Lots or phases that we see and what you don't what the city commission's been deprived of I think in the public is actually seeing you know what's happening because they're not seeing the different Lots um or view carers now the comprehensive plan is not easily changed so the comprehensive plan refers to actual map in the comprehensive plan map two which shows you the large resort district and the different redevelop M um uh zones and it shows the the actual um uh large resort district and and and and and explains about it uh it even says that the rules have been developed in consideration of the larger size and depth of the parcels that are adjacent to the gulf beaches so when you read the comprehensive plan you read the rules and say and it says things like such as well if a project is three acres that's when special things happen you have to think well gee if you put two lots together the intent would probably be well gee then the threshold would be six acres and if it was three lots together uh nine acres so just think about that um now the the next thing is well why then how did these Lots get put together where's the ordinance that describes how lots are put together and I asked repeatedly how are these Lots put together why these lot put together never really got a clear answer so I started looking through our code I found section seven section 7 says 7.3 you can put two lots together or more uh and if if they're the same owner but then you have to do it ahead of time that didn't happen or in the case of hotels you could put them together but there it says you get to put them together for the purposes of zoning only um but it then lists chapter S or section seven and those are additional Lots those are traditional zoning zones like the a residential district or a medium Resort District not the not the large resort District um so it doesn't even apply there and it would be just the same as if it's only the zone map that get change not your flood map not your uh you not your property map like the the tax assessor they all have their own procedures so it only relates to that um and then you know the other thing is it's for the particular project so think about it wouldn't it be great is if all you have to do is change three acres on your on your pro on your parcel and now you get 75 units per acre not just for this parcel but you get 75 units per acre for all five of your parcels and wait it says per project but instead of only getting it for this project you get to have it for all five of your Parcels but wait you normally have to only do it for uh you have to start a project within a year no you get to do it for any project you start in the next 20 years um so it really seems like we're really twist the rules here a little bit in what we're doing um and and the concept of our project and in fact we even still have five signs so I'm just concerned a little bit about the process you know here's the map um one project um and a wise attorney said earlier if it's not provided for you should not do it so why if we can't do intervenor status because there's no defined process of how you do intervenor status how are we combining Lots when there's no defined process in the in the comprehensive plan of how you handle combining lots to handle the things about uh the the things that are in the comprehensive plan how do you decide how many Beach accesses to have if you're going to combine the Lots there's all these rules in the comprehensive plan about what to do for for all these different metrics and it doesn't Define what to do when you canine the lots and we've been told if it doesn't have a process you shouldn't do it yet we're doing it we're not doing intervenor status because there's no process but we're doing com combining of lots seems like that's not being consistent um also there's some issues with with easements that maybe we should be looking into a couple easements you I'll be sending this um we learned tonight the third Beach AIS is actually on the Hilton Garden in property because it's only like a few feet away uh from the bathrooms uh and yet it says in the in the application that they that they have a they have a no problem making the access later on uh what I really would like is um you know make sure we have the CCL the beach walk the entire length we have Beach if we could just have beach access at the North End for people from Palm Point 59th Avenue we really need beach access we need it early we don't need it at the end of six years at the co we we don't need something in the middle we don't need something at the south end we need something at North End right away that would really help the people in the 59th Avenue in the north part of of the of of of the area really appreciate this project next here's their view of what the beach would look like after the project okay that's after but here's a picture that I took in the bottom half of the slide I took from bellweather this weekend it looks practically the same and this is a picture from above of of what the permits uh look like for the Cabana service and as you can see it looks pretty much the same but they're proposing 60% growth in the number of rooms so where are all these chairs going aren't these people going to want chairs so how can you add so many people to the beach and not plan for it so there's always been a complaint about spillover so it's up to us to avoid conflict there's always a problem you know people complain that the the you know uh County Park overflows under the beach or people are overlow going onto other hotel properties we need to avoid that and so we have to think about where are these people going um and and also this is actually from the permit or the deed for jakaranda and it says on their deed that there's an exclusion and they expect that the rights of any of the public to you to use the public beach or Recreation Area so they're admitting that the public also has the right to use this area of the sandy beach so you know we we we they have the chairs there but the public is also expected to be using that Beach area and now we have their chairs and they're going to have a 60% growth and the number of of uh guests this this is a conflict um and then um there's the the ordinance is not part of uh what we're having an exclusion for uh yet we have an ordinance that says commercial districts should make sure you don't have walls and and you're supposed you're not supposed to you're supposed to make sure you have an easy way to go to the cafes and the other things at the street level you're supposed to have open views into the lobbies and how do you then have something like that this is not at all what's in our in our plans this is totally contrary so um and next traffic um here's the sarata study without the trade wins and then here is the trade wins study with the Sara and I'll just focus your attention to golf Boulevard and it barely moves so somehow Gulf Boulevard has gotten better or practically better by the addition of the trade WIS growing by 60% just take a little time and look at that um I don't know how that's physically possible um so being a good neighbor you know with take us put aside all the technical issues that I've thrown out there if you could just think about Palm Point 59th Avenue needing beach access don't get rid of so many curb Cuts because actually um if you shift all the traffic to 59th Avenue you're just making things worse you're I think you heard about that we need to be able to make left turns to get out of 59th and and and we need to be able to turn on to 59th option deck should not be reserved we'd rather you make some money at it so it's open at all times for people um and then the city commission should be considering the beach overload and you should know every exception that's being made of the things that normally would need a variance you should know what those are they should all be listed you should know everything you're implicitly approving it doesn't seem that it's clear what those are and then next you really need to know what's happening and I'm just going to go through that really quickly I've looked and I don't see these parcel numbers keep changing so here's 288 owners and then here's that parcel and then here's the project details and that's the list of the parcel numbers then the numbers on the the left are partial IDs but they're not in the exhibit a they were in their original application and then you compare it Coro re said they had 2,000 owners then here's the list of their unification but the unification list doesn't match the resolution so your resolution doesn't have the same Parcels unification so you've got numbers all over the place thank you thank you I cards Mar ktie Terry I'm going to ask the applicants representative to please refrain from speaking while other people are speaking would appreciate it uh we gave you the opportunity to speak uninterrupted and it just it keep hearing in the back of my he and I can't hear them so I would certainly appreciate that thank you please state your name and address for the record Terry Groot 2841 Alton Drive first I'd like to thank the members of the commission for your dedication to our service as well as to the developer for putting together what looks to be a very thoughtful design for our community an increase inre in temporary lodging capacity represents more than just an increase in Revenue to the city and projected economic impacts commercial Redevelopment is a complex transformation affecting many aspects of governments multiple and diverse stakeholders and community life I'd like to specifically address the infrastructure aspect which trans transcends all of the affected parties roadway capacity the addition of an approximate thousand rooms associated with the Tradewind serata and Woodward past development projects will conservatively add 2,000 additional people traversing our roadways additionally additionally there are multiple developmental projects within 8 miles of St Pete Beach which account for an additional 3500 new residential units that's the marina Sky Skyway District while it is not a requirement for the developer to include close proximity projects in their traffic study close Pro proximity projects will certainly impact St be Beach Road capacity r large to include gaining entry and exit to the Barrier Island of the go the uh Golf Boulevard and then the residential cut throughs for these reasons I respectfully request the body temporarily delay a decision on the conditional use permit and commission a city um independent traffic study in considering wider scope of projects within the city limits based on the available buildout space and in consideration of close proximity projects with have which have a high likelihood of impacting St PP rway capacity this will allow for a decision based on holistic data collection and Analysis and advanced risk management planning Vice presumptions that reactionary mitigations will be available in the future and meet the needs of our city thank you and have a good day thank you I wish it was still Day morning it's good morning now please state name and address for the record um I have to be sworn I have to be sworn in city clerk do my name is Dana Richardson I live here in St Pete Beach across from trade winds on Bahama Way South and I do not profit from trade wins in any way hello Commissioners and mayor today you will be voting on on a massive 20-year buildout cup applications are to be held with the highest scrutiny and I appreciate all the work you've been doing earlier I sent an email requesting the north beach access to be completed Now versus later and that still stands um in regards to the traffic analysis that has been discussed already I appreciate it we all know that traffic is awful here crosswalk slow traffic flows and we have future cup applications coming let's confirm that trade win's buildout will not put us in a f level of service I ask a third-party traffic study be done by the city that also factors in the crosswalks as a condition to approving this cup there seems to be a difference of opinion of whether trade wins is Turtle compliant or Not Lisa Reich lovingly referred to as the turtle lady has performed surveys it says they're not I appreciate Mr Smith wanting to work with only straight sea and the city for his compliance however last August P Pete derer told Mr Smith trade wins was not compliant at the tech Review Committee in August has trade WIS made these Corrections because it seems that there are different views as to whether trade wins is compliant I request a third-party permit holder Clare Wier Marine to come out and do a survey if trade win is not then we need to make trade wins become compliant for the existing buildings before the cup is given I think that's fair the citizens will be losing their Vistas and Breeze without with trade wins buildout I ask that trade wins make the rooftop for residents only and not for rented event space if it's meant to be truly a gift to make up for losing our Vistas then make it a gift without conditions last kimly horn told me that there will likely be a medium put in front of 59th for safety in the future as they don't want left-hand turns being made in and out of 59th and this is very big issue with me and what I think is going to happen because there's that little there's that little median that doesn't really allow for anybody to really turn in but one car at a time into coral reef presently but when Trade Winds builds out their third parking garage and they're using that entry point for coral reef and Tradewinds I think that's when that's going to happen they're going to take out that median so they can provide a a longer Q to turn left and my question is uh to the traffic experts here are you going to allow leftand turns in and out of that parking garage and would the city commit to me that there will be no median added at 59th thank you sorry I couldn't okay if Mark and Katie Saunders aren't here we're done okay any further audience comments that concludes the audience comments for this evening and for this application all right Commissioners um it is almost 12:30 we have uh until 12:45 we need to have a discussion about um continuing or adjourning to a different date I would suggest to continue it to possibly Tuesday since we have a light um agenda the next coming commission meeting if possible city manager could you give us a what's the agenda look like for this coming Tuesday yes so the Tuesday uh next Tuesday agenda the 23rd is a very light agenda and actually I think there's a couple of things on there we could look at that aren't necessary to be that we could move them to the next meeting even if we think that'll take additional time so I think next Tuesday night would work well okay does the applicant have a I just say on that mayor um I'd like to request if we could start at 4 as opposed to six if possible we have a um executive session we have a sh executive session at 5 could we well yeah and we have to advertise it we haven't advertised it yet the notice hasn't gone out but I did call at a public hearing and I did say 5:00 although full disclosure I haven't we haven't received anything in writing so may get canceled may not I can't really speak on that right now but it's set for five our last adjoint meeting only took two hours I don't really see a problem at 6 p.m. can you I couldn't hear that last thing you said mayor I said our last adjourned meeting the second part only lasted about two hours so I think we're confidently should be able to get it wrapped up in the four hours that we have a lot it one thing to think about though is we may be adding the city manager that would be a discussion on the contract correct so all of it'll just be discussion on okay whether we move forward or not and we'll know that by Thursday for the agenda yeah okay 23rd and thank you everyone for hanging in there this late tonight you're welcome we'll make ourselves available on the 23rd okay so 23rd 6 p.m. yes sir thank you if we can please have a motion to adjure to a dates written I'll make a motion to adjourn to until next Tuesday if we could may I would motion to continue okay I revise my motion I'll make a motion to continue until 23 uh April Tuesday second are you okay with that language uh we should at least reference the number since Jenny ref excuse me I motion to continue ordinance number blank to April 23rd at 6 p.m. can I please have an amendment to the motion I'll make an amendment resolution sorry to the uh motion conditional use you said ordinance but conditional use permit thank you to move a conditional use permit 223-2702 of April do I have a second on the amendment to the motion I second city clerk you feel please to a roll call commissioner marott yes commissioner FZ yes commissioner Ros Nikki yes commissioner Lorenzen yes mayor patella yes motion carries if I please have a roll call on the motion commissioner filtz yes commissioner res Nikki yes vice mayor Lorenzen yes commissioner Marriott yes mayor patrilla yes motion carries okay we are adjourned