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--------- Mhm. >> Thank you so much, Mandy. Can everybody hear me and see the presentation? Is that a yes? I couldn't quite hear that. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Always want to check. I know I've I heard you all have been having some

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technical difficulties. So want to make sure you can hear me. Um and if you have any issues hearing me, I I am more than happy to repeat. So please I can't I can't see. So feel free to speak up and interrupt me

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at any time to ask any questions as I'm going through the presentation, especially if you can't hear me. Um so for tonight, I'm going to just do a really brief overview of our study, you know, what we were what we were

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hired to and brought on to do for the city. I'm talk a little bit about benchmarking, um how Um some cost recovery calculations and analysis that we did and then obviously what we are recommending moving forward

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and the revenue projections from that and then there will also be another time for questions if you have them at the end. So we obviously were engaged by the city to complete a comprehensive operating fee study reviewing all of your

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municipal operating those fees align with the true cost of public services and with the users of those services, adjust those fees to reflect true cost of service, review them against your neighboring communities to

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maintain competitiveness, and then you know, create a plan for adjusting the fees as necessary with the consideration of the benchmarking and the cost recovery analysis. So we followed a six-step approach.

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Um we had a kickoff meeting with city staff at that time to categorize fees as high priority or low priority. Um Parks and Rec at that time was identified as a high priority fee to be evaluated along with community

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development fees. Um obviously, we're not presenting on community development tonight. Um unfortunately, the Florida state legislator decided to throw sort of a a wrench in our work about community development fees. So, that study is kind of ongoing. So,

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you'll hear from us on that study probably within the next couple months as we uh try to align those fees with the legislative updates that have happened. Um and then the low priority fees that were identified were sort of what we call miscellaneous fees. So, that's a sort of whole other scope of

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fees within the appendix that are just miscellaneous fees and not necessarily associated with one department. Um but obviously tonight Um so, we evaluated all of those fees. Um we identified places where we maybe could consolidate some of those fees um

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and looked for places where we could maybe remove some fees and also new fee opportunities if needed. We collected a whole lot of usage data, um conducted interviews with Mandy, um and some of the finance staff. Uh one of the really important things we did was

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do the benchmarking that I've mentioned. recommendations we were making against 10 identified peer Florida communities plus Suncoast YMCA. The YMCA was selected specifically as a summer camp fee comparison.

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Um but the remaining peer communities were chosen based on, you know, proximity to St. Pete Beach, coastal communities, similarly sized, and or places that have recently Um, so that was really important as

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well. You know, we didn't want to compare against a community that really hadn't updated their operating fees in the last 20 years. That's not going to give us any good data. So, um, we, you know, had a lot of things that went into our selection of benchmarking communities. And then the

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next step was that cost recovery analysis. So, we needed to first determine current cost recovery, which I'm going to talk about in a minute, by fee category, and then we used some industry standard fee percentages. Um, and then we did we developed fee

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recommendations for each of those fees. So, again, this is the communities plus the YMCA that were selected for benchmarking. So, this is an important part of this process in order to keep your fees

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competitive. You know, we want people to say, "That's a great price. We're going to go there instead of going to Treasure Island." as an example, right? So, we wanted to make sure, um, that the fees remained competitive within the market.

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So, currently, parks and recreation fees are really split up into two types. So, there are a set of parks and recreation fees that are within Appendix A, which is sort of your rating fees. And then there's another set set of fees

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that are set by contractors. Um, you know, you're talking about fitness classes where there is, you know, a contractor that's leading the class and then the fee is then split on like a 70/30 basis between the city

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and the contractor. So, those are outside of Appendix A. Um, and so that's important. We can adjust the Appendix A fees, but when the contractor is setting the fees, we can offer recommendations, but we can't necessarily, um,

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by resolution set those fees. The fee structure right now does have a distinction, which is really important, between residents and non-residents. Um, and we really wanted to maintain that fee structure through this process.

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Obviously, the residents of St. Pete um, to the Parks and Recreation revenue. And so, we wanted to acknowledge that as we were setting these fees that they would receive the benefit of paying taxes here as opposed to non-residents who do not. Um,

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and, um, additionally, in addition to prioritizing those benefits, we also wanted to apply inflationary increases. So, we were looking at a 3-year forecast period for this study. Um, and we So, you'll see we

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period as well. And that's to, you know, maintain cost recovery that we set for fiscal year '27, um, into the future as, you know, staff salary increases and benefits increase over time. So, you can maintain that cost recovery. >> [clears throat]

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>> Okay. So, there are a large set of fees, even in the Parks and Recreation Department, um, and analyzing cost recovery really isn't feasible. Um so we categorized them and grouped them into

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one of seven service areas um in order to connect in the budget um revenue and expenses to calculate cost recovery. So here are the seven service areas. There's pool fees, recreation programs, camp, gym, facility rentals,

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special events, and then beach weddings. So those are sort of the seven groups that we really analyzed. Um closely with Mandy um and Kathleen and other staff to bridge those budget expenditures to revenues. Um and we assigned a percentage of

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department expenses to each category to establish the cost to provide and then we were able to calculate current cost recovery by dividing uh total revenue by total expenses that we allocated into those groups. So

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each group has a each of those seven. Um and then we wanted after that, after we established current cost recovery, we wanted to develop target cost recovery. Parks and recreation fees um are a little bit unique um in that they're

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sort of tiered based upon who benefits from them. Um so for tier one, which are parks and recreation amenities, that have the most have a lot of fees associated with those

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um or cost recovery. They need to be primarily tax funded. And those are parks, trails, open space, as I heard sort of at the beginning of the meeting talking about, you know, parks that need to be rehabilitated following a hurricane. You know, you're not going to charge families and kids um that use

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playgrounds and parks to go use those. So, those have maximum community benefit and that you really have a zero cost And you move into tier two, which is a mixed benefit, um, considered a mixed benefit. Uh, so, those are things like

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the youth sports, classes, camps. And for those, by industry standard, you're targeting about a 70% recovery. So, there's some tax funding and then some, um, individual funding. And then the last tier is tier three, which is individual benefit. Um, things

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that, you know, don't benefit the entire community. Those choice to use and and and pay for, which is like facility rentals, adult leagues, private lessons. Um, so, in those cases, we wanted to look at targeting a higher cost recovery at 100%.

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So, here you can see each of those categories I mentioned. And then, obviously, we calculated cost recovery. And then this is the percent increase it would be that it would need to meet

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that cost recovery. So, as an example for pools, you know, for things like private lessons in pools, right, private swim lessons, we would need to in order to meet 100% cost recovery, they would need a 590% increase. So, I know that's a large number. Haha.

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>> [laughter] >> Um, but that's it. We'll stay tuned. We're we're we're not going to, uh, sticker shock anybody, I promise. Um, and then some things like beach weddings, you know, they don't It's variable by type and by tier.

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The amount that was needed to reach cost recovery. So, again, once we had those numbers, we wanted to look at a va- a variety of options of how to adjust those fees. So, in some cases,

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um we were we recommended to get to full cost recovery in a single year. 29% in fiscal year 27 and reach that full cost recovery. Raised in cost recovery is to address some of those larger percent increases that you saw on the previous page to

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avoid sort of that sticker shock. We wanted to give an option to spread that increase over a 3-year period. Um benchmark max, again, we've talked about benchmarking. That's sort of saying, "This is what our peer community is doing. We really don't want to set it,

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you know, is doing cuz that removes our ability to be competitive. Four, we wanted to allow you all to have an override option in case any of the three above still seemed uh outlandish and could not be, you know, were not feasible. Um so, it allowed us to enter

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a specific increase. In some cases, for option five, we just wanted to keep the current rate. In six, again, we're going to we were going to recommend some to be removed or consolidated and we'll talk about that in we spy in that inflationary factor of 3.1%. So, these were sort of all the

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options that we went over with city staff. for each fee individual fee-by-fee basis. Okay. So, on top of that, we wanted to look at this resident versus non-resident structure.

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So, what we decided with input um from the budget review board, what they are now, but with an inflationary index added. Because they do pay taxes to support these expenses already.

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So, you'll see that the resident rates are going to stay the same, but just have a a small 3.1% increase applied annually. For the non-resident rates, they really fell into one of these two options. We either wanted to get to full cost recovery or we we did an override.

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Where it would have So, have that inflationary index applied annually. So, I just wanted to give you some examples. Again, it's a Appendix A is is a really lengthy thing, but I just wanted to give you from each category sort of an example of what I'm talking about.

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So, for gym as an example, your current resident fee is a dollar for the day pass, and it's $2 for the non-resident. 2028 and 29. So, for residential, sort of doing that 3.1% increase, but the non-residential is getting a

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larger bump up across the board. Same thing with facility rentals, where the resident fee is staying relatively low and similar to what it is now, but the non-resident fee is going up. You can also see there's an example here

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from summer camp, the daily pool admission, Silver Sneakers. Typically, breakfast with Santa is a special event and then the beach weddings. The beach weddings were already meeting cost recovery, so they're really just

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getting a inflationary increase. So, again, some of the classes have set by outside contractors, so we have those in a sort of a separate appendix. Um and at the direction of those types of fees, those contractor fees.

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So, we they were increased for a dollar for not non-residents, and then an inflationary increase years after that. But again, this is just recommendation. Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> And then we recommend that only be adjusted by inflationary increase for residents afterwards.

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We did introduce um a new fee for large uh attended largely attended special events. High, medium, low. We consolidated the swim team lane rentals. There was a very long list of various swim team lane rentals. So, we

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really consolidated that down into one half an hour and one hour rental there. And then the underneath that is all the removals, the fees that were removed. And that's just basically because those programs are no longer being offered.

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Um, current So, from fiscal year 25, which is the most recent data that we have, um you know, you're sitting at a 29% cost recovery. Whoops, sorry.

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So, revenue versus expense for fiscal year 27. This is what it would look like. So, for revenue projections, so we knew what we had in 2020 what it would be, what the revenue may look like for 2027, 2028, and 2029.

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Um, but we had to use 2020 to 2025 data. Um, that was the available data that we had and that the city had to to give us. Um, so we used that to project um what revenue could be like in into the next 3 years.

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It is important to note that this is not all the revenue >> [laughter] >> associated with resident services. Um Oh, this next step we did I actually we did end up averaging 2022 to 2025 in some cases and some of the fees. We did have

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data from 2022 to 2025. Um aquatics Um will show you'll see on the next slide a a expense of $0. Um that is because aquatics were not pulled out as a separate line item on the budget until

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this year. aquatics expenses for 2025. Um and then some of the recreation programs have no attendance data for us to project and and do. And we have really there's in some cases, you know, you offer sibling discounts um for summer camp and we don't have

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that broken out either for our usage data. So with these fee increases that we're recommending, this is the projected revenue and expenses. resident services, but across the fees that we're looking at.

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So we're going from about a 29% into about a 47%. Okay. Any questions? >> Yeah. Mhm. It's inflationary that we take Yeah, I can go in and look at and and take a look at that and and let you know

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that. I'm I don't know that off the top of my head. Current cost, current budget, we escalated those um to account for inflation, um but it was probably based off of 2026 budget numbers that we inflated those into 2027, 2028, and

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2029. Um so I can that in the model. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure it's escalated. >> I'm going to pull So, I'm got the model up. So, yes, we projected off the 2026

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budget. We escalated off the 2026 budget. 2025 budget number is here. And the 2026 and 2027 budget are quite a bit larger than those. Um Yeah.

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So, it it goes up quite considerably um across as it as >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm.

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for our city commission meeting of July 14th, 2026. The time is 7:24 p.m. >> Okay, I think we were in the middle of audience comments. Please, city clerk >> Amy Arbach >> John >> Kursman.

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Please zoom all the way in on this. You could. John Kersman here. Um I'm very concerned about the ordinance that was passed at last meeting. Uh elsewhere, it it really seems that the stage is set for us to turn into Walton County, which has been a hot bed of lawsuits, and we're

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stepping right into all these lawsuits. Um that the beach is getting a new character, and it's going to affect the city in general. I'm [snorts] going to submit these slides because I don't have time to read them all. This is Walton Beach. Those are the kind of signs that you just enabled, these sandwich signs where everybody every morning puts out

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signs and says, "Get lost." We used to only worry about ghost chairs. Now, here it is. seven years they've been fighting signs like the signs the signs that we're now allowing. Uh let's remember the preservation district in our land development code says all property seed

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of the Florida coastal construction line. You need to safeguard these areas from inappropriate development so they may benefit all residents of the city. Instead, what we got now is we're trying to help uh some people are trying to help uh the sheriff to start trespassing

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people. And yet the law says you don't need signs. You either by actual communication to the offender or by posting fencing or cult to you know to stop to trespass someone. And we've seen this before in 2022. There was a program

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to do this and the city stopped it. And even Walton Beach will not will not trespass people. the sheriff. Um, here is is a sign 2023. Not only did the code enforcement get to remove the temporary sign in the front, they removed the

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permanent sign in the back. So, you didn't need a new ordinance. Uh, here's another one where the city removed the cones and the temporary sign in 2023. Um, now though, we've got hotels that are already saying you need guests must wear a wristband to access the beach and it's $50. So, they're trying to

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privatize the beach. loose also has done had a sign up like this. The sign that was the problem is still in the water. So, what did it accomplish? And this sign would already be illegal if it doesn't comply with the Florida building code for for wind resistance. It needs

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to it can't it has to have certain warning to be a warning signs, but it's not that. It it needs to have a monument and if it has a monument, then you need a D approval. So, there's a long list of thing of if if if but you need to look into that. So, we didn't accomplish the goal. The signs are in the water. This

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is this weekend. Now, they've got the sign and they got a string of cones and and thankfully Fort Freedom here, somebody built in the down there. Um, and then at Undertoe next door, you got a guy who's just sitting there protecting nothing. He's protecting six chairs next door trying to stop people

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from Undertoe to go there. So, this is the the fighting in the sand. But what really messes us up is the change between versions of the readings and the goals and it being about trespassing um and and the process and and and the sign approval is administrative rather

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than actually having the criteria that it needs that are listed here. And it sure liability. If you keep a beach public, you have no liability unless you do something egregious. So by putting the those trespassing signs up, they're

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making it that then they do have the liability. So when someone says, "I have to do this for liability." No, you don't have liability until you say the public is not welcome. Um and and and and then look at our uh customer use ordinance. We'll get get to that. I'll send this to you.

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>> No, and I think your time's up. So I'm gonna give you four more seconds. slide is just simply if if this happens and these things happen, everybody's going to be pushed to be in front of the envoy point, the Starlight, the Silver Sands, and Pass Grillil because that's where our erosion control line is. Thank you. >> Thanks, sir.

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>> Jim Marshall, [snorts] >> Kelly Lee McFreder, Deborah Shner, Uh Deborah Shuckner of Boka Isle Drive in St. Pete Beach. I have to say I was also rethinking that whole sign ordinance. I think we should not have it at all. Get rid of all the signs. If you

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want to put I think they were going to put like a monument to show where the hotels [snorts] had to be able to serve drinks to their people. It doesn't make any sense. And it's I

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have to agree with John. I did a lot of research too, but he did a better job. Um, as far as the recreation, to use the YMCA as an example or to set

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the tone makes absolutely no sense. You have to be a member of YMCA and it is not cheap. They do have outside um like soccer for little kids and things like that. You don't have to be remembered for that, but YMCA makes absolutely no

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sense to use as a basis for us. I looked up in St. Pete, so to get into their pool up to the age of 13, it's a dollar. 13 and above, it's $2. We want kids to know how to swim.

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And people right now with the 100 degree temperatures, I would say we should have some free days to use the pool. That whole,

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I guess you would say, presentation did not make a whole lot of sense to me. and you guys had so many questions that paying somebody as a consultant, you shouldn't have any questions as far as the procedure as far as the information.

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And again, YMCA, go look it up. It's not cheap at all. So, when we get to Leo Park, which is my neighborhood, that park has not been touched in years. It's very wellused park. And believe it

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or not, a lot of tourists use it as well because it's across the street from the beach and it gives the kids a little break. So I would like to see that moved up. I mean, if we have to wait that many years for something to happen, it's been a long long time.

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Um, we have also talked about a review board made up of residents for some of the construction and building going on around here. I'm talking commercial. McDonald's had a choice when they redid

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their building to go pretty beachside. They didn't. I'd like to see Publix and some of the other public buildings be attractive, be beachy, tropical, because this is what our residents want, quality

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building. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Kathy Garch. Hi, Kathy Garshaw, St. P Beach resident. Um, I just first of all, um, I know that there's a lot going on with our finance

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and budget cycle. Um, appreciate that it's a hard season for us to kind of process through a lot of information. Um I I've only been involved in this for a couple of years, but I know that last year we also had the same dynamic where

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uh these workshops don't allow for any of the community to really engage when decisions are being made um because they're workshops. Um, and I thought maybe last year, and I'd have to roll the tape, if you will, but the idea was that before uh the commission decided on

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rates or um, you know, miller rates in particular was the discussion last year that we might be bringing that hope postponing the actual decisions until there was opportunities um, for public comment and engagement. So, just for consideration again, I would love to see

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that happen. Um so on that note, I just wanted to at least present a couple of thoughts. Um I don't know how active um the community is getting with respect to even looking at um all the great rate study work that the city has done and

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provided to us. But I think it's pretty sobering, but it's also a a great reality check in and in and the time is now. Um so I don't know if you can see this, but I think something important was the rates that you even looked at. they weren't on a monthly basis. Some of them were annual, some of them are

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bimonly, and some of them are monthly. So, that's why for me, um, and you all know I do serve on, and I'm not speaking on behalf of the board position, but being on that finance and budget board, I've looked at the numbers and it does translate into what I think is a

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digestible number of $2242 a month. And that's if everybody got the exact same rate increase inclusive of that wastewater. So remember the wastewater number is by monthly. That wasn't a monthly number. So that's one thing. Um I think the other thing that I want to

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keep in mind is that even with these rate increases, we're only giving ourselves a 90day reserve. We are also not tackling one of the biggest line items, which is all the purple bars that we see here, 132.8 million in so-called resiliency, but we all know that it's actually storm water

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and drainage issues. So I do want to remind us of our own comprehensive plan. And there's 196 pages, but if you dive into page 131, you will see that does specifically state that St. Pete Beach master drainage plan shall require new development. So when we all talk about

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just covering the basics, that's why I want to encourage us to look at that millage rate because this does require new investments and new developments, not just maintaining the current. So with that, this is the list of unfunded projects. A ton of them are parks, and

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they're all our parks. They're not just my park of Lazarillo. So they're everybody's parks. So St. Pete Beach has a bunch of beautiful parks and a beautiful beach and they're for every resident here. So let's keep that in mind. So we're all in it together. And this is the last thing I want to point out because I'm probably going to be out

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of time. But please note we are half the millage rate of St. Petersburg. So when you look at our fees relative to them, keep in mind they're paying three more mills than we are. So it's substantially different. We can't compare without looking at the big picture. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> I have no more general comments. >> Okay. Uh thank you so much. Um Okay. We appreciate the the comments and the feedback. Um I believe we're on to the consent agenda. Save two items that we're going to pull out afterwards,

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which are item C and item H. Um and do I need to um articulate what item C and H are? City attorney. Um, I think we want a motion to approve the consent agenda other than C and H. And then we'll articulate those as they come up after. >> I'll make a motion to approve the

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consent agenda. Uh, >> other than >> other than >> C and H, >> items C and H. >> I second. >> Commissioner Cy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Robinson,

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>> yes. >> Mayor Tate, >> yes. The motion carries. >> Thank you. Okay. Uh I believe um and I personally asked to pull out uh uh item C, resolution 2026-21 establishing a parking prohibition on 46th Avenue. Um I

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I want to clarify. I just had a few questions and I know I know we had talked about as I read it, it mentioned between Gulf Way and uh Bokeasa Drive, I believe. And I and I unless Google Maps is lying to me, I don't think we have >> say Gulf Boulevard. >> Golf Boulevard, right? I needed to

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clarify that. So we we we really want to say G Boulevard and Bokea Drive, which is pretty much the entire length of 46th until you get on to onto Bokea is I want to draw out just to be clear, I my understanding is we did a survey. >> Yes.

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>> And we asked the residents on there, do you really want to not have parking even for yourselves on that street? And I think Um, let me ask you this. Tell me the results of the survey. >> Thank you. Uh, assistant assistant city manager Puyer who led the led this

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project. Um, he can provide you the exact information. >> So, good evening, mayor and commissioner. Adam Poyer, assistant city manager. So, correct. We uh we were tasked um by a previous commissioner to look into the parking situation on 46th Avenue. Um, that topic came up two other

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times uh prior to that. Um, one by the parking action plan study. It was brought up several times during that and then during a neighborhood meeting with Bogusa Isle, uh some safety concerns were were brought up to to staff. So, um we did take a survey out. I will um backtrack a little bit. A survey did go

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out back in like 2018 uh for for a similar uh issue. Um that survey came back that the residents on 46th Avenue weren't in favor of making any parking changes. So, um we basically use the exact same survey. The uh residents were asked uh four four qu four four main

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questions. Uh option one was to uh allow permit only parking on both sides. Option two was permit uh only parking on one side and no parking on the other side. And they were asked which side they preferred to have the permits on. Uh option three was no parking at any

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time on both sides of the road. And then option four was no change. So um for we gave them a first choice and a second choice. a first choice. 41 um residents responded to that and 18, which was the majority at 44% uh said they wanted no

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parking at any time on both sides. The uh second choice resulted in 36 residents answering that question and again the majority at 53% uh chose no parking anytime on both sides. So um that is the reasoning behind the uh resolution that you have in front of you

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tonight is based on those results. >> Okay. So, I just want to just want to be clear that we got we got a survey from the residents on that street and this is what they want. Then, uh I think as a city commission, we try to listen when we're told. I'm I'm I'm befuddled a little bit by myself, but if that's what they want, I'm I'm okay with moving forward. So, um with that, that was the

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end of my questions. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. >> Um so, um do we have a motion to approve uh consent item 4 C, please? I'll move to approve resolution 2026-21 establishing a parking prohibition on

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46th Avenue. I >> would also change Golf Way to Golf Boulevard. >> Uh, okay. So, I'll make a motion to approve resolution 2026-21 establishing a parking prohibition on 46th Avenue uh and correcting uh Gulf Way to G

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Boulevard. I second. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Kazzy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> And Mayor Tate, >> yes. >> Motion carries.

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>> Okay. The next consent item is item H. Uh, acceptance of the substantial dent damage administration. I believe >> acceptance of the substantial damage administrative procedures plan pursuant to chapter 98 building and building regulations article 5 flood hazard

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mitigation regulations section 98122.4 substantial improvement and substantial damage determinations. >> Thank you mayor. Um, since we have uh some newer commissioners, we um the Luke Curtis, our building official here, is

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to present some background around this uh action and answer any questions you have. >> Thank you so much. >> Good evening, mayor, commissioners. Luke Curtis, building official for the city. So today we have a tonight we have a refresher of uh what we brought before

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commission uh previously when we initially set up this uh substantial damage administrative procedures plan. Uh and this is just a little backstory. This is something that the state mandated uh post Helen and Milton to

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ensure that every municipality had something established to be as prepared as we can postevent. So this was in response to that and we created this uh and we're going to so what we'll do is we'll go through this

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and this is just an overview of uh what would happen and or how we prepare. So we have the overview and plan contents updates and next steps. [clears throat] So for predesaster planning, this phase

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ensures that staff members are informed and equipped to understand the applicable regulations and required actions in the event of a disaster. So this includes communicating essential requirements and expectations, establishing standard operating

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procedures and methodologies, and identifying staffing needs in resource allocation. So part of this was training or is training. And so throughout the year we continually have training sessions. So for example, we recently

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had a training session with uh Penelis County to go over how uh the process works for the initial damage assessment, which is just a windshield review of the city to see how extensive damages are. That gets reported up to Penel County,

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the state, and to FEMA. Uh then we also had additional training sessions for doing the more refined substantial damage determinations to see exactly how much damage has occurred to each building and that's a doortodoor process

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and then so post- disaster immediate coordination. So in the immediate aftermath of a disaster, the focus will be on identifying the substantial damage hotspots in vulnerable areas, including low-lying or at risk buildings, assessing specific staffing requirements

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and assessing personnel along with necessary resources, gathering required materials, and providing clear direction to staff for efficient response post disaster. So damage assessment and determinations. So this is where we're conducting

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initial damage assessments uh documenting those findings and submitting them to the relevant uh authorities county, FDM, FEMA. Once that is complete, then uh once that initial assessment is complete, then we

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go directly into the substantial damage assessments using our our new software 4ERunner. And uh that's where we'll plug in the data and come up with a percentage of estimated damages. And then at that point uh we'll be

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notifying property owners regarding damage assessments and providing guidance on subsequent actions. So at this stage of the process, what our assessment will do is number one, it's going to confirm the damages or create

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an estimate. So if we know a structure has been damaged at this point what we're going to do is we're going to establish how much damage has occurred to each and every structure and then we'll generate a permit in our permitting software and at that point I

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like props so I brought one. So this is uh an example of our permit placard and on this it's just a blank template that we'll use. We'll put the permit number, the address, and any other pertinent information. What this equals is we're

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generating a permit, and this is the go-ahehead to do demolition. Now, post storm, what happened with Helen and Milton, we weren't stopping people from doing the demo because we wanted them to get that wet material out of the house to minimize further damage

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from mold. Um, it didn't negate the requirement for a permit, but I didn't want to we didn't want to stop them from doing this to further that damage. So, what this does, this expedites that process. It gives

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them the permit. So, use the example. We take a look at a house. Let's just say it had 6 in of water inside the house. So, the damage is minimal. What happens in that scenario is we'll establish the permit. will generate the permit, post

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this on the property, and it'll be a demo only permit. Now, once the demolition has been done, things have been cleaned up, and the property owner is ready to go to the next step, they'll call for an inspection. So, we'll have an inspector go out, evaluate what's

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going on, confirm, okay, no damage to the electrical, [laughter] you can go ahead, repair your drywall, your trim work, cabinets, whatever is needed. So this permit at that point evolves from a demolition permit into a hurricane repair permit. Same permit number, same

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access to it. If there's any supplemental documents that are needed, it will be uploaded to that initially generated permit. So just to give you a little uh insight into what our process is now, just with like with any event,

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we'll probably learn from this too, just like we learned from the last one. And it's all subject to change. uh in those policies and procedures as far as how we handle things, we're it's ever going to be evolving. Um and so and that's part of the reason why we will annually come

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before you to let you know of the updates that might or might not be happening or changes that we have to make. So uh going on to the next point. So post disaster as far as reintegration and recovery.

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At this point we'll manage appeals to uh related substantial damage assessments. Uh accepting and processing permit application for repairs, reviews, and issuance. And these might be supplemental permits or um just like in

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before damages aren't always visible. So, for example, maybe the back side of the house got damages you can't see from the front or it could be wind damage. It all depends on the vent on the event. So, there'll be other applications that'll be coming in that we'll be

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processing. And at this point, we'll also be assisting owners in uh accessing recovery sources, including funding opportunities, uh documenting the processes and pro procedures for evaluating and identifying opportunities for future

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improvements. And again, we can learn something from from every event. So, there's two two minor changes that were made to our uh SBAP uh this round.

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In House Bill 803, there was a provision that was made. We had an extreme shortage of licensed inspectors and plans examiners. I mean, it's it's a continuing issue throughout the state. [cough and clears throat] What [laughter] they did is they

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implemented an opportunity where a building official can take a someone who has the qualifications, the skill set and actually appoint them as an inspector or plans examiner for a duration of one year. Um, previously we

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had nobody that could act in that capacity. They had to go through a process just like everybody else to get licensing through the state. But this affords building official to appoint these people. Obviously, we'd quantify their or qualify their experience to

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make sure that they have the knowhow to do what's being done. Um, but this was an update in 803. And then in uh the other revision was the process that that I explained with the permit placards as far as issuing

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permits at the point of determining damages. So the next steps, so we'll continue to monitor local, state, and f federal regulations and incorporate any updates. So if we have any more house bills or senate bills that pop up that impact

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this process or procedures, we'll continue to update those. And implementation, including uh continuously reviewing and modifying this plan. And then again, annually we'll bring this plan back to uh all of you for consideration.

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And at that, I'll take any questions if there are any. >> Commissioner Robinson. >> Um my big question is in regards to this placard that um uh I I get the idea. I I think it's great. Get a permit. It's carries

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through the whole bit. My concern is is this a realistic time frame? um you know as we experienced last time it was pretty catastrophic for you know 80% of this city could be the same it could be more it could be less next time but I

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question what is the time frame the turnaround on that to get that on my door once I'm led on to the island >> so uh I'm I'm going to backtrack to post Helen again uh because again so going back to what we knew what transpired

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before which caused us to make some changes. So at that point we didn't have staff. No actually no none of the city's municipalities had the staff to tackle this this project. Um and then the county came forward and said hey listen

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we've got an agreement with the state who is outsourcing this and so we yep absolutely we need the help. We we waited for quite some time before we saw any data for this process. Uh we will be

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I'm going to back [snorts] up just a second. We have the initial damage assessment which is the windshield. Now FEMA likes to see that between 24 to 48 hours after the all clear when it's safe to go out. 24 to 48 hours we're getting that rough assessment of the damages

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before when these events happened. We we got through that and we said, "Okay, what do we do now?" We're waiting on the county. So, we didn't do anything in relation to making those assessments because we were in that uh interlocal agreement with the county to get that taken care of.

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Not that it's going to happen. We're not going to get it again. But should we have an event, what will happen is immediately after that initial assessment, we will immediately turn around and start going doortodoor. So, is this a a a long process? Yeah,

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potentially it could be every home that's impacted. Um, so would it be a long process? Yes, but starting so 24 to 48 hours for that initial assessment. After that 48 hours, these will start popping up. So, the plan right now, we

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would have um seven teams that would be going out immediately and that's just our staff. Uh we have the interlocal agreements with uh I'm sorry not we have contracts with other third parties where

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we'll call them in to also help support that. So uh right out right out of the gate these will start appearing right away and then once we get additional help that'll start going faster. >> It could be a couple days two to three days four days five days a week. My

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concern is that [clears throat] last time we were at least able to I mean I'm reliving what happened. I mean we we were delayed getting on the island and as soon as we got on the island immediately what people did is started taking down their

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drywall. They don't want they're not going to want to wait two to five to seven days for that placard to get on their door. I'm just saying it's not realistic to what happened. Um, I like the idea of a placard. That's great and

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we've got that. But the idea that you can't take down your drywall until you have that placard, I don't think that is a good concept. I don't think it's going to appease the masses here or anybody who is damaged from the storm.

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>> So, let me clarify. This isn't going to I'm not going to stop people from demoing just like we didn't before. >> Okay. That's what this that's what the that's what this said. the >> I'm not not sure what the

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>> Well, regardless, the intention will be the exact same as before. I'm not going to stop somebody from starting that demolition because I don't want to further that damage. I'm going to encourage people to start. Pull out the wet material, the insulation,

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the drywall, whatever got wet. cabinets pull that out because we don't want to encourage mold growth. So, this process here with this placard is not to hinder that. It is to help progress even faster the process and to eliminate people

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having to come here to apply for permits. This will be expediting that. >> I I understand that. What I'm saying hindering when I read this it says for properties where damage has been confirmed and assessed a permit will be generated in I IQ I works and a placard

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will be posted on the property allowing the property owner or contractor to begin demolition of the storm damage provisions of the structure. So to me that reads you have to wait for that to begin your demo and that's where I have

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concerns. Residents aren't going to wait. When they get back on here, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to start pulling out their belongings and assessing what they've got and pulling out drywall. >> And so are your hotels. And as we saw

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last time, they're the first in line to have the uh serve pro and all the trucks and everything. And they actually got on before the residents did. So we had a lot of that going on. And they're going to be doing it. Everybody's going to be doing it and a teams of seven pe of

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seven or seven teams as to what happened last time or if it's greater or if it's less is not sufficient to get something out be you know within that time frame. I'm just bringing the fact that I don't think and I don't know I can ask the rest of the

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commission if they think that's you know realistic. If you're saying that that's not going to stop it, then this document probably should say that. >> So, um, and you bring up a good point. So, we'll revise that so that the

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wording is a little clearer because like I said, I've said it a couple times. I'm not going to stop people from doing that demo because that's that's a critical point right there. So, we'll reward that so that it's clear, so that people understand. Um, but yeah, and these

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placards will follow. Okay. And I think the placard's a great idea. I mean, uh, and I know that's one of the options via FEMA to do. South Pasadena did it with the yay nay. Um, a red and a green placard. They did it that way. [snorts] Um, [clears throat]

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and I I just got to say I have this mixed emotion on saying property owners are encouraged to contact the permitting division before be initiating any work. That is not reality. That is PR. That's pure and simple PR because nobody

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answered the phone. It was too busy, too many calls, couldn't contact, it wasn't going to happen. So, I think that needs to be looked at a little better and be determined because again, not reality as to what happened last time. >> Yeah. And and again, just to reiterate

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and we can tweak the wording in that just so that it's clearer and um uh less questions involved with it. Um, but again, so this is the the ESDAP isn't supposed to be a refined process and procedures for this. This is like the

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30,000 foot view. There are we're working on the refined processes and procedures, but we will clarify the verbiage in that so that it's clear. >> Okay, great. Thank you. I just wanted to bring those up. I was very concerned with the demo permit and having to wait for that. Thank you.

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>> Understandable. >> Thank you. >> Came up behind you. Thank you, Laura Canary, community development director. Thank you. Um, yes, we'll we'll kind of refine and work on the wording. And one other thing that we just wanted to mention is we're also working with the communications manager because this is

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absolutely is not intended to be that community outreach and public outreach. So between that other communications and what we have on the website is where we can really reiterate what you can do before and again what the purpose of the placard is as well as what you can anticipate getting with the placard

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because again depending on the type of event if we by chance had a more of a wind event versus a flooding event. There may be some different details that are included with that placard to address that situation. >> Thank you. I believe there might be some more questions. So one of one or both you might want to hang out. Mr. Cosy,

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please. Yeah, just a quick math thing. If we did have seven teams and say contracts, maybe we had 10 10 teams for example and there's 7,000 parcels, it works out to be about 10 days to get those placards on. So, um, is that what

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you would be figuring is or so? Um, keep in mind it wouldn't be every parcel that we would be visiting. So exclude the commercial aspects of that. The condos uh we if >> I think that'd be about 6400.

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>> Yeah. So some of some of the smaller condos we might have to evaluate. But this initial substantial damage assessment is for one and two family homes. Um and then once that is complete then we'd expand and continue just and that's in essence what we did with the

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other event too is you know that that initial assessment was for the single [clears throat] family and two family homes and then expanded into commercial uh later on. >> Well I I agree with Commissioner Robinson's comments. So, I'm just wondering, is there any legal reason not

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to change the wording to um allow people to get to work right when they're back here? So, no, there's nothing holding us back from that. But the the one thing I want to be cautious about in re rewarding things is that the demolition

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does require a permit. Uh we're just kind of kicking the can down the road to say, "Hey, yeah, you've got in essence an early start. uh you've got permission to start early on this um to proceed with that and then you get your permit. Once you get your permit, then if

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there's uh you know additional paperwork needed, if the if the the work extends into the electrical system or the HVAC, then you know that supplemental documentation can be added to that permit. But no, there's no reason why we can't outline that. But the the the

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crucial part is uh to clarify that a permit is required for the demolition. We're just postponing it so that people can get started. >> I think if I can comment, one of the key takeaways for me as an end user was by having this placard which we did not

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have before. So this is a very different approach. They've opened a portal of communication with the city >> instantly. So now you have a permit number assigned to your home. You can start uploading pictures. You can upload documents. You could potentially

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plausibly not even come into city hall, which became a point of frustration for many people early on. So we're just trying to increase that touch point with the community where we struggled at first trying to just deal deal with the sheer volume. We're just wondering if

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there's a way to do it faster than having the people go house to house and it take 10 days to get that permission. >> We would need more. They don't need permission. So, I just want to be very clear. I think Luke said that we will change the wording because we will be communicating to everyone immediately.

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Start protecting your home and clean it up. And oh, by the way, you might see a orange placard on your home. We've already got a permit number for you. start loading up pictures and documents and call us for a >> inspection, a post uh demo inspection

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and we'll get you going. So, that's the goal is to get that pipeline moving much quicker. Well, don't forget too if that the permit number is kind of a misnomer because that permit number before was

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really our S S um ISD number or letter or determination and it wasn't necessarily a permit. It was something to be able to track your home more so than it was ever a permit. And that kind of got a little I don't and if that's

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going to be the case, let's not call it a permit, put it in there, but call, you know, I I don't know. Um it's something hopefully we have time to address, but maybe there's a different an IQ instead of permits. There's something else. You can call it something, but I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there. But

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there was a lot of confusion on that because people saw the S SISD permit number and they thought, I have a permit. No, you don't have a permit. You only have a a letter. >> Yeah. And and that was an improvisation.

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We didn't have a tracking. It was something to track it. We we improvised to be able to track that because we had no other means to tracking it. That that is not how things will work going forward. We'll have we'll have the the documentation in forerunner and then

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we'll also have this permit. So, this permit will be the actual uh it'll evolve into the repair permit, but initially it'll just be a demo permit. >> Okay. Um and then um I did see in here and asked a question earlier in regards

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to um mobile remote ready under remote readiness uh remote permitting and inspection workflows um doortodoor permitting support. Are we really are we are we

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gonna be geared for that this this go around >> or hopefully never go around. [laughter] >> We'll say that. Um so just be careful what we're saying here. Timely permitting process, responsive communications and hopefully we learn to be clear and concise.

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>> So yeah, and just to reiterate what's that what that's referring to the mobile permitting is us creating that permit as we're going doortodoor. So, we will be fully mobilized and out in the community issuing those permits, creating those permits so that people can be started

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and uh to um uh city manager's comments too is they they'll have a repository to put photos to upload documents. That'll that'll be established. may not be right away because there will be a lead time for us to get out and do that throughout

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all the properties, but it will be there. >> Thank you. >> Laura Canary, community development director. Just one more item um to the language that you were just speaking about about in a timely manner. A lot of that came from the SB180 language

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because as you can imagine there were some municipalities that maybe didn't even have their operations going for a very very long time. And so in essence that that language is to say that okay if it's not feasible if you don't have a

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building a city hall to operate out of then you need to make plans and accommodations to be able to at least start the permitting process somehow. So that's I know it's kind of it seems very convoluted of as soon as you know timely but that's where specifically straight

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came straight from SB 180. >> Um a few comments. Thank you. I I thank uh Commissioner Robinson's uh you know feedback. I I agree with that. Um I think uh you know let's just be clear. I think we all learned from the storms of 2024 that we've got some

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opportunities to improve our our processes, right? And that's kind of a and and I will tell you myself and Commissioner Cosy are sitting here probably in no small part because of you know we needed opportunities to improve that. So um I I think we you know I I I know I will have a laser focus on this

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and making sure that we improve our processes. I know there everybody here I I imagine on the commission wants the same. So um you know I I too question you know um I like that you just said go do your work and then we'll we'll hopefully open a permit for you. Um, I

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would be looking at every opportunity that I could um to expedite all of this, not just the initial permit on my door, whether maybe I maybe you just create a permit for me and it's available online on my mobile phone and I can just look without waiting for that orange placard to show up. I just kind of know that

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it's there because I've gotten it. Um but let's look at you know any opportunities to uh improve our software, our tools, you know, and our uh our processes and procedures to make sure that that uh we are far far more

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responsive as a city than we were. Um you know, I I think there's also there there's going to be a percentage and I and I I I know I experienced not personally, but I I I've heard percentage we're going to drop that orange blackard on their door and then they're going to come back and say I I didn't have any damage at all. you know,

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what are you doing this permit for? Close my permit. So, be prepared for that kind of dialogue and whatever our response is. I just want us, we have the opportunity now, we've had it over the last few years to really think about how we would do this better. And I know that there's efforts underway to to look at our software, our processes, everything

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else. Think about all these. This is this is one of the most important things we can do. And I hope we never have to do it again. But if we do, being what we were will not be tolerated. So, um, thank you. I will say this. Um, I know you were looking for a consent. I've

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heard enough that I'd like to see some changes to this documentation and and we said, "Well, we're going to go change that wording." I would rather not approve this personally right now and then say, "Let's go get these adjustments made and then come back and bring it to us next session, whatever after that." That's just my personal opinion.

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>> Actually, this is just an acceptance. It's an administrative document. So, I would ask that maybe we just you approve and you accept it with the changes stated on the record. Okay. Which is which is will acknowledge that users can get moving right away

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>> on demo >> and uh Okay. >> All right. Know that know that I think we should be continually improving this. So So we'll get more cracks at is what I think I hear you saying, right? Okay. >> We plan to bring it annually because of the changes in state law and as well as

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us reviewing. We get new software things change. >> Okay. >> Um those those things sort of evolve. Could [snorts] there be um a um something people put on their refrigerator or that is the final wording on this?

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>> We could that wouldn't be part of this plan. That would just be an operational decision. So if you all want us to create refrigerator magnets that say what to do, I can do it. I just that's not part of this plan. This plan is like a legal document that's really taken a

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lot of the wording from the Florida state law that said this is what you must have in the city. >> This is required by SP 180, isn't it? >> Yeah, I I understand >> and that's fine. I just >> that to me is a sticking point on that the whole demo permit thing

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>> about you know I think the permit's fine and doing the doing the >> I think we just we missed stated the intent and I I don't think the intent of the building official was to ever >> yeah I just again want to be clear because I I don't want to go through that portion again

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>> ever. >> Okay. Um, do we have a motion to accept the uh the item [snorts] with the stated adjustments uh that we've that we've uh discussed in this commission meeting? >> How how should we say that? Uh,

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attorney, please. >> I'll make a I'll make a motion to accept the substantial damage administrative procedures plan uh with the uh >> clarifications >> clarifications as they were discussed tonight.

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One second. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cosy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Mayor Tate, >> yes. >> The motion carries. >> Okay. Um, next we have ordinances. U,

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>> ordinance 2026-14, an ordinance of the city of St. P Beach, Florida, amending appendix A of the city's code of ordinances relating to recreation fees, removing recreation fees from appendix A, providing that recreation fees shall be established and

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amended by resolution of the city commission. Providing for codification, conflict, severability, scriveners, error, construction, publication, and an effective date. I did want to note there's a misspelling and the header I sent to the clerk that'll be corrected for second reading. We'll also have the

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attached exhibit A which are in your packet the code changes to section 585 and the changes to appendix A. Um the basic idea here I can explain from legal perspective. Um right now our code requires these recreation fees to be adopted by ordinance which requires two

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readings. Um, this would change it to be recreation fees set by resolution which can be done with one reading m making it much more nimble and streamlined and easier to change in the future should we need find the need to do that. So this ordinance because it's still an or in

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the code and an ordinance this requires two readings. So this would be to um a motion to approve at first reading. They'll be back for second reading along with the um recreation fees that were discussed earlier with the amendments that were discussed earlier as a mayor resolution. So that can pass with one

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reading. So with the second reading of this ordinance, we can pass the new fees as a resolution concurrent with this ordinance change. >> Thank you. >> Is there a motion to approve the section item? >> I do have public comment. >> We do. I'm sorry. We do. I apologize.

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Deb Shner, do you still want to comment? >> I'll be okay. >> I'll make a motion uh to approve the first reading of ordinance 2026-14 removing recreation fees from appendix A to resolution.

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>> Second, >> city clerk. >> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cosy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> And Mayor Tate, >> yes. >> The motion carries. Okay. Uh on to action items, please. The

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first one is uh approval of settlement agreement and mutual release and limited doc space le lease for Mary Pier. Um so this says a proposed pre-litigation settlement agreement rather than filing eviction proceedings to work towards a

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mutual termination of lease and then a separate limited dock space lease for the existing 51 ft charter vessel. Um this arises from unpaid rent u but uh mitigated perhaps by force majour

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hurricane related impacts um utility interruptions um under the existing lease. Um, this proposed settlement agreement would mutually agree to terminate the existing lease, uh, require a settlement payment to the city, established timeline for,

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uh, vacating uh, the premises, and transitioning existing doc tenant information, um, reimbursement of fees that went back to the, um, tenants, um, by the main uh, tenant, and, um, a mutual release of all claims. So, uh, if

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this, uh, meets with the city commission approval, we would then present this and hopefully have a settlement and that would obviousate any need for eviction proceedings or other litigation. >> Is there any other staff reporters that staff? Any questions from the

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commission? >> Get her done. [clears throat] >> Uh, make sure there's Do we have any public comments, city clerk, on this? There are no public comments on this item. >> A motion, sir. Like >> to make a motion to approve settlement agreement and mutual release and limited

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dock space for Mary Pier. >> I second. >> Commissioner Cosy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Mayor Tate, >> yes. >> The motion carries. >> Okay. Uh, next item. There's actually I

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think they're someone interrelated. I don't know if you know we we we talk about them separately very specifically and work through or are they interrelated guidance sir >> they're interrelated but I think that it'd be advisable in this case to consider the uh first one before the

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second and third and to consider them separately um so the first one is resolution 2026-22 authorizing a conditional use permit 26107 for an off- premise parking lot at 3815

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and 3855 and 3859 and 3861 Gulf Boulevard for um parcel numbers 07-7 excuse me 07-32-16-18143-00001-000010 and parcel number 07-3

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32-16-18143-00001-00002 and parcel ID 073216 07398-1-170 and parcel number 07-32-16-07398--00001-230 pursuant to land development code section 42 2.4E and providing for corrections of

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scriveners errors and an effective date. >> City attorney, I need to swear anyone in who will be testifying before the committee. >> This will be a quasi judicial item. So, we'll do two things for quasi judicial that are in addition to our normal legislative function and that is to do

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exparte disclosures. If you've received emails or talked with people, um the commissioners will disclose that or if they've done site visits, we go around the table and then we'll swear in all witnesses who are going to give testimony with regard to this quasi

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judicial application. So, I know we've received a number of emails and those are in the public records. Um but if we can begin with the exparte, we start with Commissioner Maldonado and work our way down. >> Okay. So, I've received uh

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communications via email. I've spoken to uh constituents regarding this and I have conducted a site survey of the property. I've done a site visit uh constituent communications and as well as spoken

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with uh the party seeking this uh conditional use permit in person. >> Okay. Uh thank you. Um, yes. Um, I've, uh, I live near the property. I, I've done a site, uh, review. I've driven by it, let me put it that way. I haven't

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actually stepped onto the property. Um, and I have had a number of conversations um, in person and over the phone with uh, various parties associated with this with this item. I have reviewed

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a lot of emails. Unfortunately, I can't say I had an opportunity to review them all because a lot of them came yesterday. Um, which is I feel bad because I did not get to read them all. Um, I know the

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property. I did review the uh Bayou residential district um in our code and also uh conditional use permit applications in our LDC. I have not talked to the applicant. Um only have uh gotten the emails that I

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wrote read. >> Um I have uh read the emails that I believe we all received um regarding this conditional use and that's it. And because it's quas judicial, the idea is with the exparte disclosures that you will listen to the information that's

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presented here at the hearing with an open mind and make your determination based on all the evidence that is presented today at the hearing. With that, I'd ask the city clerk to swear in any witnesses, including members of the public or adjacent property owners or

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property owners representatives that are going to give any testimony today. So, if you could pre please rise >> and raise your right hand. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes.

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>> So, reports here, please. >> Good evening. Brandon Perry, planner with the city of St. Pete Beach. This is a conditional use permit number 26107 associated with resolution 202622 for the property addresses of 3815, 3855,

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3859, and 3861 Gulf Boulevard. This is a conditional use permit. It is associated with two resolutions that if approved, these are the two subsequent items that were brought up earlier in this discussion that would revoke the

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existing authorizations that were granted to the property. They were separated and I'll get into detail on that in a moment, but those resolutions went into effect in 2021 due to development tolling. They are still in effect for the subject property. John A

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Boziac, architect and Kevin Arbaldin, agent of Myiramar Property Holdings LLC, who is the agent and also the lease for Beth Moran, manager of Sunold LLC, that is the current property owner. Request authorization for an off- premise parking lot pursuant to land development

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code section 42.4E. You can see here an aerial of the property. It's on the east side of Gulf Boulevard at the 3,800 block. The property has Bayou residential zoning. This is a moderate intensity residential and mixeduse district. It

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does allow for limited lodging eligibility with a conditional use permit. This property was a subject of a conditional use permit request last year for a lodging project that was not approved, but it is eligible based on city commission action.

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So, looking at the site plan for the conditional use permit request before you tonight, this is a request for a two-phase parking lot. You can see the phase one in green on the screen. This is comprised of 113 parking spaces as well as a through access through the

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property. It would make use of the two existing access points to the property. One toward the northern side, one at the very southern side adjacent to the East Hanco Cove Apartments. Phase two would be located in what is currently a very heavily vegetated Australian PL pine

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cluster in the southeast side of the site. That would follow at some point in the future potentially. That would be for an additional 87 parking spaces for a total of 200. They are requesting authorization for an off-remise valet parking lot. It would contain up to 200

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parking spaces as shown over a two-phase uh project and it would be for a period of up to three years. If approved in tandem with the two resolutions that follow it, approval would discontinue the existing parking lot authorizations that were granted to Tradewinds for

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approximately the northern threequarters of the site and the hotel Zamora in October of 2021. I did want to point out in comparison to the former approved conceptual layout plan, this is a reduction of approximately 50 spaces. Based on staff

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observation of the lot, we've never seen the parking lot parked anywhere near 250 spaces. We've typically noticed about 60 to 70 spaces full at at peak periods on this property with the conceptual site plan for the previous conditional use permit had a slightly greater number of

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spaces than would be requested under this authorization across the two phases. There are numerous open code and use violations on this property. The property is subject of code enforcement cases for a dock in disrepair at its northern waterfront. You can see the photo there adjacent across the street

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from the beach house suit. There's also a seaw wall in disrepair at its central and southern waterfronts. There is an open code case for abandonment of the parking use on the northern parcels of the property. We'll speak about that a bit more in the next presentation. Additionally, staff has found the

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existing parking lot operations are out of compliance with the authorizing conditional use permit criteria adopted with res resolutions 20211 and 2021-22. We are recommending the revocation through the subsequent two resolutions that you will hear tonight.

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Zap finds the request presented under this conditional use permit which would authorize the property with a conditional use permit for off- premise parking for up to 200 parking spaces in a valet operational arrangement. The applicants have offered reasonable assurances that the use can operate in

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compliance with the land development code and avoid nuisance activity if conditions are followed. They've also committed to resolving all open code violations. These conditions that are assigned and recommended by staff are necessary to avoid impacts from surrounding land use incompatibility, inadequate buffering,

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and coastal degradation, which would produce inconsistencies with the comprehensive plan or future land use element. Includes policies that require buffering from adjacent uses, commercial use compatibility with the surrounding area, and protection of coastal

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resources. Staff has asked the applicant for some testimony whether they have decided to install electronic gates and if not how self-closing gates would operate. We have recommended as a condition of approval that they have some kind of self-closing gate system at the north and the south access. Currently the lot

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is operated with a chain but it is frequently down. Um we have noticed beachgoer parking and other unauthorized forms of parking at that property that has not been mitigated at least as of our visit two weeks ago. whether the applicant has any concerns with meeting the time frame specified in this

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resolution. I will say that the applicant does have their attorney present. They have spoken with staff shortly before this meeting. They are recommending some modifications particularly to condition nine which is the condition that assigns certain time frames for requirements to for improvements on the lot prior to the

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initial day of operation. And they will get into that in a little bit more detail. I'll try to point it out as I go through the conditions that are recommended. And for item three for testimony, if they have a contract with a valet service has been completed at this time, and if so, whether they will

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operate from a service to offsite use or from the subject property during operation. The owner, sorry, the leasey of this property is also the owner of the Myiramar property. I understand that they intend to use this at least the onset [clears throat] for their development when it opens at the end of

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this year. And I understand that they are also seeking to offer valet services to other properties in the vicinity. As as mentioned earlier in the presentation, this would be a valet only lot with the potential exception of special events should the city commission authorize them to pursue

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those during the life of the use. Should the applicant provide adequate testimony to support the request, staff recommends the following conditions to protect the health, safety, and welfare, mitigate potential future nuisance impacts to surrounding land uses. Looking at the operational conditions,

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this authorization would be granted solely to Myiramar Property Holdings LLC. Sale or reassignment other than assignment of a different ballet operator under this authorization would result in immediate termination of this use, typically under a conditional use permit or under a variance. another

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action that's taken that generates a development order. The authorization runs with the land. Um, in this case, based on the concerns we've had with the property over time, as well as the commitments that have been made by the current lease, the current applicant, we

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would like this to run with the operator. They would be eligible to assign and reassign valet operators under their authorization. But ultimately any violation of these conditions by an operator under their um

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status would would be cited as a violation of this conditional use permit. Condition two, the subject you use is authorized for three years or until an application for new development is approved, whichever is a shorter time frame that had been originally proposed by the applicant when we met within the

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technical review committee. They have committed to a three-year time frame. I did want to point out to this commission and we are facing it with other properties including the subject property as it relates to the 2021 authorizations which were originally set to expire in 2024 October. They have

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been told by a state tolling statute. The state if a state of emergency is declared that affect affects our county not only is the authorization told for the entire period of that state of emergency. The applicant also has the ability to request an additional two

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years once that state of emergency has ended. The state of emergencies from Hurricane Helen and Milton are currently in effect. So, should that end, they would be able to request an additional two years. That is based on the current use authorizations of the property. That

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does not remove the city commission's ability to find the use in violation and resin the conditional use permit. But should they be operating under compliance with all of the other conditional conditions of this order? If there is a state of emergency declared within the next three years, I just want the commission to take that into

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account. You may be looking at a multi-year extension in this approval. That is not the applicant's intent, but it is something you could face down the line. So, I just wanted you to be aware of that. Condition three. Other than authorized under a special event permit, this use

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may be utilized by val service only. It may not be held out or operated for any kind of commercial self-p parking. There is currently self-p parking taking place on the northern part of the lot. In speaking with the applicant, I understand the majority of that is contractors associated with the the

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Myiramar project, but I did want to point that out. Um, this this would be a restriction on any kind of self-p parking except under an authorized special event permit should that be authorized to these applicants. Condition four, off- premise bathroom service must be maintained for employees

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for the life of this use. We would not recommend any kind of portable toilets on the subject property. They would need to be maintained on another site that the applicant has authority to grant that approval for. Vehicles must be removed within 24 hours of a tropical storm or hurricane watch, not removed

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until after the watch has passed. Property may not be used for dead storage or storage of unregistered vehicles. Moving on to use limitations. Parking may not be used to fulfill off-fremise parking requirements for new development. The Myiramar is parked

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adequately based on the development approval that they were granted. This would be used as overflow parking for events for additional um uses of space on the property. But should a development be approved in the next three years while this use is operational, the parking on this

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property cannot be used to fulfill any of the parking requirements for this use. This is only surplus off- premise parking. Condition A, the parking of vehicles larger than a standard passenger vehicle shall be limited to the spaces shown on the site plan. They're currently showing two spaces toward the rear of the lot. That would

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be for any kind of RV, trailer, parking, anything oversized, larger than a standard passenger vehicle. Looking at development requirements, prior to operation, staff is recommending that the applicant would be required to provide a valet plan for receiving sites. The land development

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code does require that any receiving site, any proposed destination site for this development. Certainly for the Myiramar, others that may be utilizing this site, we need to have a valet plan. We want to make sure that circulation on the site is still safe, that any kind of

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truck parking space or otherwise can still be maintained on those receiving properties. The applicant would be responsible for installing a self-closing gate at each entrance that would need to close after cars are moved on and off the lot. It would not be left open for any kind of non valet service

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to to access. They would be required to repair or replace the fence, provide a consistent finish across the entire frontage span, and install a pedestrian access gate for valet staff. It would be required to provide for pedestrian scale lighting where overnight storage is provided. I understand from the

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applicant they are not proposing to offer any routine on-site overnight storage on this property. But if that becomes something they would like to offer in the future, they would need to provide for ballard lighting, other low lowcale pedestrian lighting on that area of the site. They would need to install

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the wheel stops and crush shell drive aisles that are currently shown in the site plan. Uh that is one of the issues we note with the current site. It's it's fairly haphazardly laid out. We would like to make sure that does at least aesthetically look like it is proposed on the plan. They will need to install signs and barriers at the dock peritting

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their use. That is currently a condition of the authorization for the 2021 approvals. They would need to maintain and potentially shore up those barriers. They would need to submit permits to repair the dilapidated seaw wall portions and remove or repair the dilapidated dock. That would be

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authorization from the city and then moving forward on repairing those code violations. They would need to meet the fire access requirements. So they would need to make the main drive through the site a hard pan surface that could support a 70,000

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pound fire vehicle. And they would need to install signage of the frontage to communicate that this is not a commercial lot. Within 120 days of authorization, they must provide the replacement buffer plantings and irrigation to all newly installed landscaping buffers on the

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property. We recognize that we are under a severe drought. This is a land development code requirement, but this would allow time for the applicant to extend irrigation lines to the property, find some low inensity, low impact development, uh, sorry, landscaping to install within a buffers that meets the

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land development code. Within the lesser of 180 days of authorization or 90 days of building permit issuance, the applicant must replace or repair the seaw wall and repair or remove the dilapidated dock. This is one of the conditions the applicant is requesting a a slight modification to to allow for

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the dock uh pilings to remain if if needed to um retain their submerged land lease. I believe they're also proposing a modification to the seaw wall replacement time to account for the permitting process timeline for that request. Looking at condition 11, um there is a

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very large mature area of Australian pines at the back of the property. They've been there for a very long time. they can tend to have some soil destabilization effects when they're removed, especially in mass. So, when they move on to the phase 2 area, should that ever occur under the life of this

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approval, we would just like them to demonstrate that that area is safe for parking prior to uh the removal of the pines or parking on that area. for condition 12. Um, again going back to the potential development tolling for this use, the applicant has expressed to us they do not plan to operate for

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longer than three years, but should they seek to do seek to extend the approval either through the city commission action or through any kind of state of emergency tolling, they would be responsible for installing a 10-ft frontage sidewalk. That is a requirement of the land development code. This would

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effectively make it a deferred installation. It would not be a variance. It would not be an exception. and it would just be a deferred installation. There is some modest ability to temporarily um postpone those installations based on the land development code. So we would recommend

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three years for its installation. And we would also ask for a barrier to be installed at the waterfront of the property to prevent light spillover and prevent use of the remaining docks that had been referenced as one of the initial installation requirements. This just gives some additional basis for that.

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Looking at uh conditions 14 and 15, these are dealing with penalties and revocation. For condition 14, violations occurring due to failure to provide the initial development requirements. So that would be the fence, the gates, the other improvements that are specified in condition 9, that would result in

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immediate revocation of the conditional use permit. So if the applicant chooses to operate the lot without having those operational conditions and development conditions in place, it would result in immediate revocation. We would return the case to the city commission. Other violations may not occur more than once

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over the lifetime of this authorization. And then condition 15 is boilerplate. We include it with any conditional use permit. City commission may review this conditional use permit to assess compliance. As I stated before, there are companion resolutions and this resolution was

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written to become effective only upon passage of the companion resolutions 202614 and 202616 that would revoke those 2021 authorizations. We do have what we feel is a basis to provide for revocation of

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those resolutions that would cause this resolution should you approve this as well as the subsequent two to uh this this resolution would become the authorizing resolution for the entire span of property that was shown earlier in this presentation.

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So based on that we have action options for you tonight. Motion to approve approve with the conditions either the 15 conditions that were proposed by staff or deny the case. Um, you could propose additional conditions, remove or modify the conditions that had been recommended. You could also continue

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this to a date certain should you need additional information from staff or if you would like us to consider other criteria that we would need additional time to look into. That would be for conditional use permit 26107 through resolution 202622.

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Brandon, let me just clarify for the record one thing. You had a slide that showed your recommended conditions. Those were a summary of the actual conditions that are attached to the resolution is exhibit A which you'll find in your packet. >> That's correct. They were more in depth

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within the resolution as well as the end of the staff report. So we do have the two applicants present. We also have their attorney present. I'm happy to answer any initial staff questions. If not, the applicant is present to present their case. Any

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questions for >> Can you show me where the two spaces are? The two large vehicle spaces. >> I couldn't figure out which ones they were. >> So, if you're looking at the left size side of phase 2, um you can see at the

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very left boundary of that there are two larger probably small RV or trailer size spaces on the >> they're just kind of wide. Uh they're they're wider and I believe they're a little bit deeper. >> They're two side by sides, right? That's what that is. Okay. That's all they ask. >> Because they're not very long.

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>> No. And speaking with the applicant, they can they can get in more detail on this. I I don't believe they're expecting larger vehicles. Um they just wanted them there to accommodate potentially an an RV or trailer if it's if it's pulled up to their site. >> Okay.

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So, an RVO trailer would not necessarily be a valet [clears throat] item, more of a special event, >> potentially associated with a special event. Um, we had just asked them to show it on the site plan if that was something they may be proposing and and

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they had just shown the two spaces. I I >> do we have any restrictions on overnight parking? Uh they they would be they would there are no current restrictions other than the lighting requirements. There is a maximum length of stay that have been proposed by staff which would be 7 days.

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Um but the city commission can of course modify that. >> You said you reduced the uh parking requirements or spaces uh from was it 15 or 50? it had been 250. Now that site plan was

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not necessarily drawn to scale. That's just a count of what was shown. But this does appear to be drawn to scale and they are showing 200 across the phases. So reduction of 50 spaces. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Mr. Cer. >> Brandon, could you tell me again when

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the parking hours that we're proposing are? There are no specific limitations on hours of access for the lot for valet staff. They the applicant may I I from what I understand they're not planning

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for routine overnight parking but they would be able to better answer that. There are no conditions in the conditional use permit on that though. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Brandon, I my understanding is be a man valley lot. Uh how many days is it manned? What times

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is any of that mandated yet? Or is that just a question for the applicants? >> They can speak to that. I I don't I don't believe they plan to have someone present. I believe they plan to have self-closing gates that the valet staff would have access to, but there would not be someone stationed at the lot to

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allow them in and out. But they they can speak to that if they've changed their plan. I believe it would be some kind of electronic or other self-closing gate that only valet staff would be able to access. >> Thank you. >> For the special event, I don't read that

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as necessarily being valet. That's self park. Correct. >> Correct. That would be a a special event permit as would be available to any property. We specify that specifically because that had been something that had been discussed with the applicant at technical review committee. Again, that's that's at the discretion of the

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city commission, but we included it because we wanted you to be aware that that had been a request that would be made. That would not be daily routine operation. That would be an uncommon off- premise event that may be more sensible to have self-parking of some kind, but that would potentially carry

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additional conditions that are not imposed by on the routine use of the lot. I just don't understand how that would reduce late night activity >> depending on the operating hours of the special event, which we would have to assess at that time. And again, it it really comes down to whether the city

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commission would would authorize any special event permits on the lot during the during the life of this use, but we would potentially control the hours through that special event permit. Um the buffers, >> yes,

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>> to reduce glare from vehicles. Why are those in phase two and not in phase one? >> So the side buffers as well as the rear buffer. >> The rear buffer I'm concerned about because that's that is literally

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people's because when you live on the water, you call your waterfront your front yard, not your backyard. And that's literally people's front yard where potentially headlights can shine into them. >> So we would we would expect that as part of the initial installation prior to

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operation of phase one that had been condition. >> Yeah. That's n not under nine which it probably should be under like 9k. [clears throat] that that could be clarified. Um I had

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ID intended to make that as part of phase one. So that needs to be moved under nine. >> Yeah, that's going to be the that and noise and it's going to be the death of the people behind them and to the side of them and potentially to the front >> and across the street. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> Especially water. Yep. Okay. Can you say condition 14? You might need to clarify too. It says the applicant may use an open barrier in phase one such as a rope or post fence along those areas of the site where vegetation currently provides sufficient

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screening provided that a solid barrier is installed in phase two or in any other stage in which the vegetation is removed. >> Yeah, I I would look at that as being a 9K putting it under nine needs to be done. Randy, can you bring this slide up

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with those things we're talking about? Please. >> Another question here is um the Australian pines made it. Huh? >> Because for those who are here a bazillion years ago and they remember when uh Pacil was lined, it was beautifully lined much like Captivan

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Santael with Australian pines down the side and we had a storm that took them all out. I am shocked that so so that that must have, you know, just been more of the wave action than anything, but I just remember them all being turned over

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and lifting up the uh concrete. But they did they did make it. I'm um Did we put any stipulation in here for one to one replacement of trees for heat reduction and shade? >> [snorts] >> No, they they would be meeting the buffer requirements along the frontage

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and the north and south property lines because they're considered category one invasives. We do not require the one for one replacement of them, but they are at least meeting the buffer requirements for the for the perimeter. >> The carrotwood that the city approved and planted in my yard is now evasive.

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So, [clears throat] it's funny how that that kind of works, but um it's a shame because they're beautiful trees and they provide a lot of shade. Um they're very invasive to sewer systems and everything else, but um they're very nice. Uh let's see. Um

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silly question. Do we allow Shell in residential? >> We do for temporary off- premise parking lots only. It is allowed for temporary uses. >> Okay. Yeah. Because I know a neighbor of mine tried to put Shell down for a drive or something and she was told she

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couldn't. only for temporary off- premise parking lots. >> Okay. >> And excess parking. Yeah. >> Because it's my understanding that Shell is can be an issue for runoff. >> We are looking at the the drive-thru of the site. It will need to be

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sufficiently compact to to support the fire vehicle. So maybe >> which then stops the impervious nature of bit of it. So or pvious nature of it. >> Okay. Um, so we have no limitations on special events here, right? None. We

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don't have a by whom, how, uh, the number of spaces, the times, hours, weeks, weekends. I mean, is it 29 days a month? >> Typ typically no. Um, there's no specific limitation in the code of ordinances, but I believe our staff look

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at it as it a non non-frequent non-recurring event. um it would be based on a potentially a holiday or a special event at a particular property, but you're correct there. There's no specific limitation on special events in this it whether they're allowed at all. So,

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>> right, because there's nothing in this under Bayou residential other than it says a conditional use permit for off- premise, but it doesn't say off- premise for a special event. It doesn't say overnight. It doesn't say anything like that. It just says off- premise parking. >> Correct. Those would need to be

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limitations that were applied if >> and the current cup has no special event listed and it's contractually per two businesses. Correct. >> Correct. Um the northern lot was authorized to trade winds and the

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southern lot to hotels. I believe there are, you know, quite a few residents on those letters that or emails that we received that were very big concerns on this whole special event scenario. >> Brandon, did you say the special events would be permitted separately though,

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right, as special events? >> Correct. They would need to go through the city's permitting process for that. There is a significant lead time on those. And again, We are just holding that out because we want it to be a consideration to the city commission. I know the the applicant had discussed it with staff a technical review committee.

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So if there are certain restrictions you feel are appropriate to assign to any allocation of a special event permit while this use is in operation, that's certainly something we can consider. Um um [clears throat]

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we didn't add the conditioner for the additional depth to the south entrance. We recommended it. >> So that's going to leave somebody's rear end of their vehicle on the sidewalk. Correct. >> I believe it can I believe they can fit

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one vehicle but not two on that location. I think >> it's less than 20 ft from the property. >> Correct. You're right. [clears throat] >> Line. >> It's slightly gate. >> Mhm. >> And we would work with them. They they do have some depth and there are no

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spaces that immediately above that. So if they went a few feet back into the site, I don't think that should be a problem. So, [clears throat] um I'm just going to read this. Staff does not expect significant noise issues stemming from the operation of the lot.

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And this is the kicker. If access limitations are adequately enforced. So, if we're doing overnight or anything like that, it's going to have to then be with the sheriff's office because there's no code enforcement in the

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evenings. >> There is no code enforcement. Correct. I'm just don't think I follow the [clears throat] that approves that except the valet portion cuts down

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on the likelihood of loud noise, late night operations, trash on the property, and other nuisance activity. But the special event does not. that's in direct conflict to that because that's self-p parking unregulated

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and we don't have any limitations on it. No times, no anything on it. Correct. >> Well, with with any special event, they would need to apply to the city for a special event permit. That's where they would lay out the hours of operation, how it's going to function. So, there would be additional considerations,

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possibly even above conditions assigned tonight. It would not just be a an applicant special event whenever they feel it's appropriate. It would be something issued by the city based on our review time frames and and so on. So there may be additional restrictions

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during a special event on no overnight parking. It could really come down to what they're what they're requesting if if it's allowed at all. That's all I have for now except I will say 9K 9K. I mean that number 14 has to move to

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9K for the barrier to even make that even considerable. >> Uh Commissioner Cy, please. >> Brandon, thanks a lot again. Um, so I really agree with u Commissioner Robinson's points. For example, the gate

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depth on the south side, that's got to be enough to be able to pull in there and wait for that gate to open because it's it's not that way now. So, it doesn't I'm not sure what you've depicted there if it is enough space. So, please note that. Um,

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I think overnight parking is not an issue as long as we're talking about valet only. And we're surrounded by sensitive residential areas. Right across the water on one side, you've got a tall condo across the street as well as to the south. You have 70 units

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there. So, it's not ever was intended to be um a parking area, but for valet parking where somebody's parking one car at a time and going and getting another car and it's the same person doing it all the time, for example, I I don't see

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how it would be a problem. And and I think the people who live by there have made it clear to me that uh if it were valet only parking that this might be okay with some conditions, but I don't think the special use thing is I think

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it needs to be thrown out. It's just a complication and people have made it very clear that's unacceptable. It's not intended to be for special use. And besides that, if they wanted to use it for special use, I guess they could

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try to get that added later, but for now, it's pretty clear that the the push back is for valet only if if we're going to do this at all. And then a few other comments I've got here. If we were going to park a trailer in this area, that's a

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giant eyesore for the properties that are south and to on the other side. So, I would ask that we're going to have shielding for any kind of two trailer spots where people would be possibly parked in a trailer there for multiple days since we're going to allow uh

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overnight parking, which makes sense to me if someone comes to your your hotel and you needed wanted to valet park them. Um, I'm not sure the hours of operation matter that much if it's valet only

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parkings. Uh, it's been suggested 7:00 a.m. to midnight because of the the light disturbance, but if there's light shielding, I don't understand how you would have light shielding for the condo to the south or on the other side of

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Gulf Boulevard, though. Um, but that might be an area of compromise. Um, I probably have a couple of questions relative to which properties might have expressed interest in having the valley service that the applicant is

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requesting. I don't guess you've heard anything about that yourself. No. And um I agree about the significant noise uh not being expected with a valet situation, but I think if you had self park in any version in a a spot this

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big, it would there would would be s significant noise. And I also don't think that the parking uh entrance exit is set up here at all because if you were trying to turn left out of that parking lot, it would back everything up

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and depending on if it is a special event on a special day now, you would have people trying to get on the Gulf Boulevard and location. And so I just don't see why we would consider special events right now.

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I I think it would be against the wishes of all the neighbors in this case. Well, I've got >> Commission Maldonado. >> Thank you. So, I will say that um a well-maintained valet lot would be a

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major improvement over what's there. I would say that if we were to add special events that I would require two restrictions be added. One would be to have restroom requirements and the second to have security on site.

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>> Thank you, >> Commissioner Marriott. >> Thank you. Thanks, Brandon, for all your work on this. Um, I uh in general looking at this, I don't I don't have any problems with what they have laid out here or with the conditions. um that

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staff has has added. Um as Commissioner Maldonado says, I think this is a big improvement over over what's there. Um I I think a valet lot is pretty low impact on the neighbors. Um I would be curious though to hear a little bit more from

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the applicant about um uh kind of what they envision this this being used for as far as um is it just for the restaurant at their hotel? Are they planning on contracting with other businesses? I know that there's also a huge need for employee parking in that

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district in general. So perhaps they're planning on contracting with some other businesses for valet parking of employees at other businesses, which would be a huge benefit to the neighborhood. Um, and I'd also be very curious to hear from the applicant what they're envisioning when they talk about special events because what we're all

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thinking they're talking about and what they might be talking about could be two very different things. Uh just one more just a few more comments I'll echo. Um I think I think uh what we've heard most from residents uh and it's been echoed by some of my fellow commissioners is mitigating the

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light and the noise I'd say in all directions. Um I don't care whether you're south, northeast, or west. You know, that's going to be a concern if we don't mitigate those those items. Um and we need to be good stewards of of our neighbors in that sense. Um, I I am

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interested in hearing about special events. Uh, you know, I'm I'm I guess encouraged right now that there is no special event that will happen at all unless we sit here and or at least administratively approve or we sit and have the conversation and we can put in lots of conditions on that. So, you know, there is no special event parking

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that's going to happen unless it comes through, you know, the city and in this discussion. Um, I will say that I I would be interested in hearing kind of the the the operating plan for a valet coming back and forth across the street and how we kind of mitigate the impacts

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there. But that's probably a question for the applicant as well. Um, but I think that's it for me, I think, unless there's other questions. Well, I would like to uh jump springboard off of that comment and and just thinking that we may be looking at

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what uh if we had an extension maybe five or more years there be multiple changes in the commission and there may be different feelings about special events but right now it's pretty clear that we've heard from the constituents about their feelings on special events.

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So, um I still have a strong feeling about that. >> Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time. Really good research and appreciate all your effort on it. >> Good evening, commissioners. Uh my name

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is Brian Sykes. Uh I'm an attorney with Meridian Partners Law, Clearwater, Florida. um here to talk tonight about the conditional use permit request. Um here representing the Myiramar Land Holdings entity which is the developer and

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operator of the future Myimar Hotel. Uh the Myimar Hotel is slated to open this December. I think everyone's kind of excited about it. It's going to be a nice uh addition to the community. Um and and one of the reasons that this request is being made is there will be a

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restaurant and and bar associated with the hotel and we want to alleviate in advance any potential parking issues. And by having valet parking for those uses that will eliminate people trying to find parking up and down Golf

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Boulevard, walking to the restaurants, potentially taking Ubers, trying to catch, you know, a bus, whatever. Um but we also recognize that there's been a lot of issues with the past two uh conditional uses. Um one big difference

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is that this request would be operated managed by one person, one entity, and that's my client's company. um they have a vested interest in making sure that this parking lot or parking facility, for lack of a better term, um is

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properly operated, um is maintained, is clean, is safe. Um they're going to be using it for their valet. Now, a question had come up, will there be other potential valet uses there as well? Possibly. Um the Don Cesar reached

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out to my client last night. They had a conversation about it and they would like to be able to valet cars there as well. Now the difference is that's going to fall under us. That's going to fall under Myar Property Holdings. We're going to be responsible for ensuring compliance with everything. We're going

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to be in responsible for making sure that the valet is run properly and we don't have the issues today that we heard from some of the residents earlier when we were speaking with them before the meeting which is that the way it's being run today is they feel that people are handing out their parking passes on

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weekends. You know if you're an employee of XYZ we won't make any names here um who has a parking pass to park in this parking lot. Well, on the weekend, if your friend wants to come over and go to the undertoe, sure, you can use my parking pass. Or maybe they're selling

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it. Who knows what's happening. The key to our plan is access control. Both entrances will have a self-closing gate that will control access to and from the property. It's not going to be a wave a

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little card in the air. Oh, it's a red tag today, so they have approval to park here. It's going to be a controlled access either by a key card swipe or, you know, a clicker, you know, like you use in gated communities. There'll be control over who gets in and out of this

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property. Um, we recognize that's an issue today. There is no control there. There are chains across the the entrances. Those can be removed. It can be lifted. Cars can drive under. That's going to change. We're also not anticipating using just a control arm

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type of gate. Those can be bypassed. They can be hit, they can be damaged. Um, now at this point in time, my client hasn't specifically ordered the gates for it yet. Um, right now they're a contract lee of this

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property and their lease is contingent upon getting a conditional use uh approval for it. If we were to move forward, if council to approve it, then starting the day after, we're going to be going into full design mode. And that's something we'll talk about in a

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minute. There's a there's a couple of things um we want to talk in terms of the conditions of approval. Um we're not trying to bypass any of them. We're looking at it from a from a practical perspective saying, okay, you know, the 90 days after issuance of a permit of

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getting the seaw wall constructed. That may or may not be possible. Um my client works with one of the larger uh seaw wall contractors in the area. you know, we don't know what their schedule's going to be at that point in time. We don't know how long it's going to take to get the permits, but we've got some

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guardrails we'd like to put on it that I think will be acceptable to council and gives everybody a an understanding of what is to be occurring. Um, want to thank uh Brandon for his thorough staff report. Um, in his report, he went through and listed that, you know, the

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the request is consistent with the comp plants, consistent with the zoning code, the conditions add and bolster to that. I'm not going to go through that. It's already on record. Um, but what I would like to do is just kind of walk through how we're going to address some of these issues that exist today. You know,

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number one is controlled access, as I mentioned. Number two, the primary use would be valet parking. It's not going to be a public parking lot. As Brandon noted in his uh staff report, we have to sign the property that says not public

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parking, not beach parking, you know, valet use only. Um some of the conditions that we've uh agreed to and we don't have any issues with the operational conditions or the development conditions. We have some, like I said, minor adjustments that we'll talk about in a few minutes, but

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we have to come up with a valet parking plan. Valet parking plan will talk about how it's operated, where the vehicles are parked. One of the questions that was asked earlier was about light spillage of vehicles parking and facing the water. Um Jack will be talking about the design of the parking lot and what

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we've done to ameliorate those types of issues. Um you know we'll have a management valet agreement which we have to register with the city. Um we're replacing the dead landscaping that's in the buffer currently and surprisingly

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we're putting in irrigation so it doesn't die again. So, we're improving the property. We're making it look better. We're we're moving the fence line back to increase the buffer for the for the uh vegetation and landscaping. We're replacing uh the broken fence panels. We're getting everything

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painted, make sure everything looks consistent and nice. Um we've agreed to replacing repairing the seaw wall. Um and then with respect to the uh docks, um we had a a brief discussion with Mr. Barry beforehand. What we'd like to do

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in a replacement of the docks or repair of the docks is we want to make sure we're not going to lose any rights under the submerged land lease for potential future docks there. And it's unknown at this point in time if we go in there and remove all the pilings and remove the

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the dilapidated docks. Does that hurt us in terms of future rights? So if and to the extent we had to maintain the pilings, we'd like to do that. If we it's okay that we remove remove the dilapidated dock and it doesn't hurt our future rights, we'll do that. We'll

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clean up the property no matter what and the seaw wall will be cleaned up no matter what. Um, last but not least, and this this one is a difficult one to swallow a little bit, but it's also going to show you kind of my my client's level of commitment is it's a two

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strikes and you're out situation. get one freebie. And um that's a condition that's been imposed by staff. We feel we can live with that condition. Um so what I'm going to do is turn it over to Jack. He can talk a little bit about the site design, the access, the stacking. I know

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there are some questions about stacking of vehicles. Um and you can go from there. >> Good evening. Jack Boziac. You all know me pretty well, I think. Um I um I would say first thing that I wanted to mention

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was uh the orientation of the spaces. When we first looked at this site, we were there was a site plan that was theoretically posed for parking that had lights pointing across the uh the the waterway. And if you'll notice first place, we turned all the all them

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sideways to face each other, not go across. But also, you'll notice that we left all the vegetation on the water with phase two and we made phase two the last thing in hopes that if we develop the first phase of it that this is not the long-term use of the property

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naturally. The long-term use is we're trying to come back with some kind of a program uh Mr. Bowden and I uh that um that really creates something that viable and acceptable to the city. Um that's why there is a long-term u lease

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contract that has substantial cost involved because uh we are responsible for replacing the seaw wall which is a huge undertaking you know in excess of a half million dollars uh well in excess. Um it includes the the landscaping, the

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fence, the 8oot buffer in the front, the landscaping and the trees that we will be putting in there. We're putting in um like crepe myrtle type decorative type uh trees that are called you know that are um identified in the code. Um the

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fence uh the 8-ft buffer uh the attorney mentioned that the buffer was increased. I don't think anybody said but it's going to be an 8ft buffer back to a new fence that comes down there. the landscaping be will have bushes in between the trees and it will it'll be

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basically almost a code like a code compliant type landscaping plan and it will be u irrigated also. So it'll um it'll uh I think it's an exceptional effort to try to make the site um you know a lot more viable than it is. Uh we

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did on that site plan address, you'll notice that we did have a pulloff uh for up to two cars basically off the street uh with the electric gate. Uh we measured 40 ft basically uh on the long side uh coming in uh from the uh from

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the curb. Um you know as as you know the site uh is really the last extensive site in the city and the reason we left phase two on the water was hopefully over this three-year period uh of Mr. Bowden's u lease we'll come up with a

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program that's acceptable to the city or that we can all you know feel good about and uh you know um I think we can't just take this property and say that we didn't like what was going to what was proposed before and we're just going to you know turn it down. Um I think that

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the the long-term loose use is not to continue this as a as a temporary parking lot. Um the I wanted to make sure you understood though that uh the northern spaces the three users potentially were to be outlined as uh

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the Myiramar, the um um on special occasions under contract, the uh the Dawn and um and the Zamora for uh employee parking. the um so there's specific uses that would have to either be if anything changed would have to

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come back in for the city to to accommodate the um I think what you got to realize is that the other reason we made phase two where it is was that in the event that we in this process we don't intend to sit on the property and and say okay it's a parking lot we'll

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see you all in three years um the idea is that we buy some use and time that allows us to move forward with a new program, commercial, retail, whatever, residential, whatever the use is that that we all determined and you all

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approve. Um, so the plan is not one of uh you we it's almost being spoken of as though we're doing a parking lot. That's it. You have to understand the the value of the land and the and the cost involved. Uh Mr. Bowden's undertaken the

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um the cost of the seaw wall all the way across as I said which is substantial and the landscaping and everything else involved is a substantial investment in the property that's intended to really be a short-term uh process that allows us to properly come in and come up with

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a plan that is acceptable to the city. So I think that you have to understand the intent. This is an attempt. We're not just He's not tried to and we're not just trying to throw away, you know, a million dollars or so just to kind of create a temporary parking lot and

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figure out down the road what we can do. Uh they've had we've had some unusual interest in the site, but potentially possible from retail. We've had um we'd like to put something there that [snorts] is reasonably acceptable to the city. um is an exceptional u asset to

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the city and it and it creates uh both a use and a viability that is we're all proud of. And I think that uh you know sometimes uh you just have to come in and and um uh you know rework your

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thought process and try and see what what does work for everybody. Uh Mr. Bowden has the, as you know, has the Myiramar. Uh he has the Beach Haven property up the road that we're working on right now. And the uh the Cambria is the site that we were the architects on

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and helped to put together. I don't know. I don't even remember how that was what, six, seven years ago, I guess. Uh the Cambria is the rooftop um uh hotel uh in Madira Beach. If you haven't been up to that rooftop, I I did we did

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that hotel and we don't hear much more about anything except the rooftop. Everybody says uh it's a great place to go. It's got a 360 degree view of the water. Great place to go if you haven't been there. Um as stated the the um the

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the gates are going to be electrically controlled. They are going to they do show space to allow pull off from the road. Um the time frame uh on the um on this process is naturally we intend to

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try and get going as quickly as we can. The seaw wall uh I've already actually been working with Spieler on the seaw wall u because I I understand the property and I planned on either way that seaw wall's got to be fixed. Um,

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also the docks uh are they're going to have to that lease and they repair the docks is going to have to be faced sooner than sooner than later. So that is something that independent of Mr. Bowden's um approach to the

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property. We are per city request proceeding with uh uh but that's totally separate of the uh the uh phase one has 113 spaces in it. Um hopefully in the event that phase two did come into

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effect uh we'd have an additional 87 spaces. The it's approximately 300 or 3 acres with um 690 foot plus of seaw wall. So, it's one of the most significant it is the most probably significant waterfront piece of property

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left in in St. Pete Beach and I think it needs to get special consideration of how we reapproach at this time and uh how we go about it. Um let me see the control uh FA as I said phase one

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the 3acre site is an exceptional site and we have an exceptional interest in the site that interests in the site that uh that I hope we'll uh we'll all work out as we go. But it is this is such a short-term plan that I don't think we're going to be three years getting back

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here to you guys. I mean this is an expensive piece of property to be sitting on for for three years. So, please consider that we're looking at a worst out that could be affected by economic uh times as we're going through a little bit of rough right now. Uh could be affected by the hurricanes. It

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could be affected by a lot of factors that we're trying to have enough time to look at the worst out situation with the three-year uh timing that we have. Just to go quick walk through through this. Um as I said, it's total of 200 spaces.

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Uh it's the it's a limited use uh for 200 uh temporary spa temporary use uh spaces. It has an 8 foot buffer in the front, a 4ft new fence behind it. Potentially the landscaping, as I said, is is shown on there as being, you know,

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exceptional considering it's a parking lot. um the um crate murdles with planning in between uh removal of the trees for phase one to just allow what we need to remove in order to get access to the site. Uh the site actually is

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presently uh extensively covered with limerock. Uh, for those of you who don't remember all those junky buildings that used to be there, you know, I guess 22 23 years ago now since Miss Morian had bought it, it um it did have what was

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it? Lose bar and a liquor store and some apartments and uh some uh hotel units. It was just a junk piece of property. So when they cleared it, um it sat there vacant all these years essentially was cleared because they

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thought they were going to go into it right away. 22 years later, um it's still in its it's vacant state. The uh seaw wall permit, as I said, I have had to kind of get in process because I know the city has questioned the seaw wall

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condition and the um the um the dock repair. uh uh I've been looking into also because it it does have to be initiated the um electric gate uh Mr. Bowden and I have

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been discussing doing an electric gate exactly the type and how we would do it. >> Yeah, sure. Sure. >> Like Kevin, thank you guys. >> Hi. Hi everybody. >> My name's Kevin Bowden. Uh and thank you for hearing our request. Um

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I know you had some questions I just wanted to answer quick. Um the special event piece is more at the request of the dawn. The dawn um pox's employees there. Um on special event

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days like Easter probably almost every Friday and Saturday in February, March and April they they probably consider it a special event. So whether you grant that right on a case- by case basis when they

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request it is totally up to you. Um as far as far as the Myiramar goes um our valet will will operate 24/7. Um I think guests get up um there'll be some activity maybe as early as 6:00

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a.m. Um by by midnight or so the activity is going to drop off but we will have valet staff there. um 247. There is a a flashing light just south of the north gate. Uh we're going to put

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a pedestrian gate in it so that and require the valet people to push that light every time they cross the street. Um the resort will not allow any um

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guest parking without ballet there ever. um electric gate north and south. Um the seaw wall um needs to be replaced before we put a buffer on the rear of the property. I think um they're going to be in there uh with a concrete trucks and

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all that. Um so I I think we need a little bit of time on that. And most importantly for me, I didn't feel comfortable reaching out to the dawn or hiring people to do things or buying gates and until you you approved it tonight because that's when my real

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lease kicks in. Uh, currently Beth was really really kind to allow our contractors to park there. Currently, Beth has been allowing Don to park there, Zamora to park there. Now, I know none of those

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things are approved, but the existing CUP is the problem, and that's kind of why I'm here. Um, so we would like, if you would grant it to us, uh, probably four months, um, to get all this done,

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to get the gates in. Uh, by by the time four months is here, uh, my staff will be hired and I'll be uh, I'll be able 247 uh, for the next 90 days or so. My contractor's finishing up the hotel will

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still be parking there. Um, but we'll take control of that. We'll, you know, I haven't had control of it over the last month or two. Um, so a whole lot of people have the combination to the lock that holds the chain up. Uh, people that

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that I don't know. So immediately, you know, if you grant us the approval, um, we'll take care, we'll take possession of those locks, take possession of those chains, and people won't be leaving the chains down and going in and out of there. I I think Don will ask for some

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help um on some of their busy days. Um, the general manager, I didn't feel comfortable until my contract was firm. after you approved us if you if you so decide to do so. Um I didn't feel comfortable reaching out to the Dawn

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to the Zamora because I don't really have control of it. You know, the GM of the Dawn happened to call me last night and she heard this was happening and she's very nice. She was like, you know, the parking really will help us. Um we we'd really uh have a challenge in

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finding a a way to replace it. I talked about the fact that that the event parking might be an issue because the staff brought all that up. Um you know the dawn said if we need to uh will valet completely valet that's what her

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answer was. So an agreement would take place between u me and the dawn me and Zamora. It'll be my job to make sure that they follow through with every condition that you set. Um I I think the city will be in a lot better place um

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because I'm there. My GM is here. Um we'll have uh we'll have a valet manager. We we didn't do we didn't do a plan yet because I was I'm not sure if you're going to appro approve us. So that that fourmonth period. I I am

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looking for that time period to bring in a valet plan to the city to get the gates permitted and built. um and to do all all of the work that I'm required to do in phase one. And um you know, we've

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done business in town for a while. I I I I hope you guys feel that I will follow through and make sure everything that we're talking about here happens and uh you know, that's really all I wanted to say and I'm I'm happy and pleased to answer any questions you have.

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>> Thank you, uh >> Mr. Voden. actually if I may just because um uh Brandon had requested as part of his presentation and also in the staff report uh that we put some testimony on record regarding a couple of uh

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questions. Um and specifically said staff requests additional verbal testim test testimony or written response to the following items from the applicant. number one whether the applicant has decided to install electronic gate and if so uh how if not how a self-closing

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gate will operate. Uh I think you've heard from uh from my client Mr. Bowden that yes we will be installing some form of electronic gate. We don't know specifically is it going to be a swing gate is it going to be a sliding gate but yes there will be uh some form of electronic gate there and it will be a

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self-closing gate so that we can prevent you know traffic coming through. Second question was whether the applicant has any concerns with meeting the timeline specified in the resolution. Um we do have some concerns and and I've kind of prepared um a a red line which I'll hand

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to the clerk for distribution to everybody. Um there's, as I said, there's really not concerns with the conditions and the development conditions and the use conditions, but looking at it the way condition number nine read in the ordinance before you,

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it says prior to the first day of operation of the subject use, the applicant shall provide the following. What we're requesting is that says within 120 days after the date of this ordinance, the applicant shall provide the following. The 120 days is a period

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that we feel we're going to need to get the permits [clears throat] for the uh gates, to install the gates, to, you know, order the gates to prepare the valet plan. And if you look through the the various um uh conditions and the

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things that we had to do, it's, you know, it it's tying us to within 120 days, we'll submit the valet plan. Um within 120 days, we'll install subject to receiving approvals from the building. uh receiving approval of a building permit. Therefore, the

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self-closing gate at the vehicular access points within 120 days. We'll relocate the existing fence to the interior of the property adjacent to the front buffer and repair or replace the fence to provide and maintain consistency. Within 120 days, we'll

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submit an application for the installation of pedestrian scale lighting along any areas of the site where overnight parking is required. Again, we're not sure if there's going to be overnight parking, so that one's kind of an open one. If we decide in the future we have to, then we're going to

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have to get that approved. Within 120 days, we'll install the wheel stops at each of the defined locations of the parking spaces. Within 120 days, we'll install crush shell drives as depicted on conceptual plan. um will install signs um along the seaw wall prohibiting

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access to and use of the seaw wall unless they uh unless we obtain future permits for docks there. And if we obtain docks in the future, those docks are going to be restrict restricted to use by guests or invitees of Myiar.

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They're not going to be public docks. Um here's kind of the big one, which is number H. uh within 120 days we're going to submit for a complete building permit applications to replace the existing property seaw walls. We don't have

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control over how quickly the city state will approve our application for um for replacing the seaw wall. And then perhaps even more importantly, we don't have control over how quickly we can get it built. And that's kind of addressed

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in one of the other minor changes or I shouldn't say minor changes, one of the other changes to the conditions that we proposing on the ordinance. Um, we'll install the hard pan aisle to meet the requirements of the city fire marshall and we'll install uh sufficient signage at the access points to

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communicate that it's not a commercial parking lot. If you look at the second page, we had some uh proposed revisions to condition number 11. And what that was is promptly following the issuance of the building permit for the seaw

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wall, we'll start and we'll commence and complete the seaw wall replacements. And to the extent that we can remove the existing docks that have been damaged without losing our rights under this the land lease, we'll remove that as well. The way the condition previously read

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was within a lesser of 180 days after the date of resolution or 90 days following the issuance of the building permit. We don't know within 180 days if this is approved if we'll have all the permits and whether or not we can get the work completed in that period of time. And I don't think, and maybe Jack

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can correct me, I don't think that we could probably complete the seaw wall repair within 90 days after issuance of a building permit. We're going to be at the mercy of our contractor schedule, material availability, weather, everything else. But what we're willing to commit to is we're going to

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move this forward in 120 days. We're going to apply for these permits. We get the permits, we're going to move forward on working um on the dock and the barrier. Um if we don't install new docks at the time of completion of the seaw wall, we

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definitely will do the barrier. If we install docks though, if we get approval to reinstall new docks there for the use of the Myiramar, we'll have to figure out how that buffer is going to work because obviously we can't just completely block off the the the docks

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from the rest of the property. We'll have to figure out a way to do it and I think we can do that with staff and that would be part of the permitting and approval process for the new docks. And then lastly, but not least, uh, number 15 originally read, "Any violation of the requirement of condition 9 that

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occurs due to actions of [cough] owner or applicant prior to the first authorized day of operation uh, shall result in immediate termination. We just modified that slightly stating that any violation of the V requirement of condition 9 that occurs due to actions

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of the owner or applicant. We struck the before the first day of operation because we have the 120 days now built into that condition and I added a caveat. I know I'm a lawyer and are not related to causes of force majour or

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governmental delays. So that's the only issues we had in terms of meeting the time frames. The last question that uh Brandon had asked that we answer is if a contract for a valet service has been completed at the time and if so uh will it operate serviced offsite use or from

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the subject property during operation. There's not a current valet contract in place. Uh as Kevin stated, you know, we needed to get approval first before he goes down these next steps and signing contracts for services. More than likely, the valet service will be

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operated by the Myiramar. um it's not that large of a hotel, a property that we necessarily want to bring in a third-party operator for that valet service. So, it'd be under a self-managed contract which we'd be providing to the city. Um but more

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importantly, um it will be operated from the Myiramar Hotel. There will not be portaotties on on the site. There won't be any restrooming facilities on the site. the Miramar will be providing you know not only shelter from rain for the for the uh employees who are running the

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valet service but also restroom facilities etc. So with that, we'll conclude and answer any questions. >> Pretty much it covered everything that I I had to do before we got into all the other aspects of it. But I think the only other thing that we need to uh

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potentially um uh address is that the uh we had already addressed with the uh staff the 70,000 pound uh of of uh compaction of the uh whatever the surface is and and we we it it is predominantly uh crushed shell at this

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or crushed lime rock at this point. Uh it would have to come up to the 70,000 lb fire truck access. I think aside from all that, the um I would say the I I don't really see a lot more that Oh, I do know uh you did have a question

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about the uh the oversized spaces. Um we did locate a couple of the oversized space and they weren't specifically thought of for any we just were told put a few oversized spaces in. So, we did that. whether they had to be enlarged or or you know made um more intact in

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keeping with what staff decides we have to we can make that adjustment and work them into into that lo you know that location or an an agreeable location with staff or with u you know um the administration. Uh that pretty much is

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uh everything I can answer any other questions you may have. Um, I think most of the legal questions have been handled and I think Mr. Bowden's addressed his uh outlook on development of the site and I think that you know we're we're looking to do this in a manner that um

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it comes to a a mutually agreeable and exceptional uh project for the site because it it is the most considerable site left in the city of St. Pete Beach and we like to make sure that it's something that uh is appropriate. So, and if you have any other questions

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regarding the site plan or the uh development uh plan of the site, um I'd be glad to answer them. >> Well, um I'll put out a couple for you. Let's see. How about um with the Dawn? I

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think that I would be agreeable to expressly allowing an an agreement if that's your definition of a special event is allowing the dawn to use the lot.

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But um that would be by valet only uh once again because I feel like this particular location is not suitable for self-p parking and it's too much congestion especially on special days.

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So uh valley parking I think we're [laughter] I think we're make everybody happy if we if we stick with valet only. And uh Don could park they have valet parkers already. That doesn't seem like a problem to me. That could be written

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into the agreement if we had to do it. Uh, another thing I would uh don't feel like this is intended to be a commercial parking lot at all. And so you have your commercial vehicles parked there now. And I know the neighbors are not happy

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about looking down and seeing that. So, I guess I would ask that we have some type of shielding if there's going to be things like that in the parking lot where uh we're not looking at that from the other side of the street. The four months seems very reasonably, but I'm

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wondering why don't we just have a time limit on when you're going to submit the seaw wall application or the permit for that? Um, you know, I understand it takes months to get these things done like for example docks as well. So,

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there's a another thing I wanted you to address. Maybe we could uh and maybe that's a city staff thing, too. Whether your time limit might involve when you're going to ask for the the permitting for that. Um,

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I get the overnight parking. That makes perfect sense. I don't think there's any question about that in my mind. Once again, the four months for the gates uh makes sense. U but uh once again, I think that might be a

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permitting question. Like we'd like to see you having plans put in that force rather than just like an arbitrary time limit possibly. I think that's it for me.

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>> Mishaldonado. >> I I think he had a follow- on statement. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I follow [laughter] >> just just one quick followup. Um, with respect to the Don Cesar use, I I would prefer that's not written into the agreement because this is this is a use

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that my client is requesting as a leie of the property. We have the right to do sublicicensing under our lease and that's kind of contemplated in the conditions here that okay, we can allow for other valet uses, but we're the ones

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that's on the hook. So, I I would prefer not to have that written into it. I think it's it's sufficient the way the the ordinance conditions read that we could allow for other valet, but it's on us. >> So, we would be So, we're talking about other organizations using their valet

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staff to park cars in the lot, >> but they they would have to come through us and it would be managed by us. Now, one of the concerns is by uh the people directly across the street and the concept that

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the limited beach area on the beach on the other side of the street is constrained by the amount of parking that's available to these places. For example, at the Myiramar, there's a certain number of spaces there. uh at

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the undertoe there's a limited number of spaces there. >> Um and so I've one of the letters from constituent was what about Undertoe Valley parking 100 cars there.

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>> We had no thoughts or consideration of that. >> Yeah. >> And you know and again one of the things is we don't want to turn this into a tailgate party um you know on weekends. Um, we have no interest in this becoming

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a a quai public beach parking or a paid beach parking. The intention is for it to be for the Myiramar. Um, if we come to an agreement with the Don Cesar, that would be a potential and prospectively with some more if they want to come to

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it. As Kevin said, we just haven't approached these people yet because we didn't even know who would have approval. But um I mean would you have any issues restricting against bar uh like >> I think uh maybe that would be helpful if we were to think along the lines of

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overflow parking for hotels. >> Why don't we and I'm okay with this. Why don't we say other than uh the Don the Don and the Zamora we won't enter into any agreements with anybody else to valet there without the city's approval

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first. Don say let's not name let's not say other than hospitality >> other than hospitality. Yeah. Our intention is not to allow hotel >> beach park. >> Right. It's just that one of the neighbors is specifically concerned

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about that establishment getting additional parking because of the very tight spaces there between the neighbors is naturally constrained. And this is the problem that we've had with the misuse of that parking lot up to this

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point is it allows I guess you you could say too many people to end up in the same spot. >> Yeah. I mean it it's not our intention and um you know the the two parties that are parking there right now Zamora and Don I

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was going to reach up to both and try to help them. Um they they both have kind of issues with their tight sight particularly with the dawn growing and and and uh having all the demand but I think that um we can commit to you that we will not

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allow valet parking for the undertoe. >> I I would rather we don't discriminate against any particular place rather take the advice of your attorney and keep it with the hotel ears. You're already capped at 200. So to commissioner Kazy's >> exaggeration

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>> concern >> specific uh >> places and the assurance is that it doesn't become a uh a tailgating >> sure >> thing I think will assure that some of the people that reached out to all of us that that concern is diminished

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>> not taken away but diminished right I mean it always happens >> sounds great >> that's it for me >> so I've got a couple uh we'll start with with Jack. Um, so Jack, as as the valet come in and traverse throughout the

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parking lot, you know, and now there's a tendency to have vehicles that are a lot higher, SUVs, >> pickups that are, you know, four or five feet off the ground and things like that, you really need to ensure that you mitigate that, especially looking at the bayou to make sure that there's some

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kind of shield so that as they're coming through there, I understand they're going to be parked headlight to headlight, but as you're coming in there, you're going going to cause disruption to some of the neighbors that have been reaching out to us. So, >> that should be addressed. >> You made the best attempt to do it and we would naturally, but it you have to

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realize there's to fit a reasonable number of cars on there and and come up with a reasonable and once again, we're not looking this is not a long-term solution. This is uh >> just talk about the headlights coming in and out during the hours of reduced visibility. It's it's going to be something to uh

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>> to uh certainly get ahead of instead of afterwards. and we're going to start getting calls through code enforcement and things and trying to help you succeed here. >> Well, I think that's why we left that entire second phase, we put it where it is was not rather than to divide the property in half and operate one gate,

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which would have been more economical for us. We did it this way to try and leave that buffer that exists of the trees and, you know, perhaps do some additional shrubbery or something back there to try and block lights or whatever. I mean, we're uh believe me, I we're we're trying to make this thing.

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There won't be a perfect solution. It's just one of the things you got people on all sides of you actually and and I we do >> depends on which ones you want to have complaining. I guess >> thank you uh Jack. So uh let's see here. So then um

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I guess to uh Mr. Bowden. Sir, did you state that there's going to be a pedestrian crossing for the valet to use? >> There is um there is currently a flashing yellow light. Uh it's just a little bit south of the north gate. I I actually crossed it today.

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>> And your instructions will be for them to use, said that because one of the major concerns that we have is safety. >> Absolutely. >> To reduce lighting at night. Uh I hate driving that road at night. Uh there have been several fatalities unfortunately. >> So we will put a pedestrian opening in

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that gate. Okay. >> Uh right where the >> perfect flashing light is. >> Perfect. and our our valet and uh anyone else that valet at that lot will be instructed that they need >> and and I want to underscore that that will be the instructions. It's a safety

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thing. We're concerned about it. Uh pedestrian accidents and fatalities. >> I'm concerned about it as well. >> Big thing. Thank you, sir. Okay. And then for attorney uh Sykes group participation, try to get one from everyone. So, uh, on your response to the city staff under item 11, which is

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the third to last page, you use the word promptly. >> Yes. On the commencement of construction, >> correct? So, the uh promptly following issuance of the building permit specified in condition. I do think that there has to be a not to

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exceed period there at some point. I mean, you're you're the attorney. we have an attorney, but if we leave it open-ended without a calendar day or limit, who's to say that two years from now, you're still waiting on this thing. So,

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I would like that we would have it not to exceed somewhere in that sentence and then if necessary, you can always come back to the city, explain extenduating circumstances, for force majour, whatever it may be, uh, within

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reason. But as an attorney, I think that you're probably thinking the same thing, you know, when there should be something there. Understood. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you all. >> There are no other questions. Anybody has any other questions, I'd be glad to

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try and respond. >> Um I might Do you have a question of Mr. Bosia? >> Um I'm not really sure who they would go to. So >> yeah, I I I might have one that that I think might apply to you, so let me ask, sir, please. Um um I echo kind of what Commissioner

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Maldonado just said. Listen, I think I think what I hear most from residents and and the community is uh light, noise, and and uh and trash. And the valet kind of already gets rid of the trash and the and the issues there. Limited access gets rid of a lot of

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those issues right there. Um, noise. I think as long as we're not honking horns and having alarms going off all night long, you know, I think one one car in, one car out kind of thing is fairly less noise than a than a big issue. Light. So now I'm worried about lights pulling in and pulling around and I know you've got I know you park them headlight to

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headlight as we alluded to, but I still got to come in that first spot and I'm probably shining right across the water a very short distance into somebody's back door, right? Or front door as we call it, right? And then I'm going in and out of these things. So I'm I'm really I'll cut to the chase. um within

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120 days of submitting it uh of this approval, you'll submit a permit for a seaw wall. I think it's I'm just kind of paraphrasing a lot of what I saw. So 120 days submit approval. City's got its own permit time. We'll undetermined to you so you can't you can't control that. I get it. Uh prompt repair of the seaw

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wall dock once you get the approval, right? And that's what just was commented on. Uh and then uh you know while you're repairing the seaw wall then and only then if the docks aren't repaired now you're going to put up a barrier right on that backside. And I

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think for me I'm just hearing 120 days approval prompt prompt repair and of of the seaw wall. I'm hearing frankly a pretty lengthy time frame just to be frank with you. And so I'm I'm I'm worried about mitigating the light impacts. And so I'm wondering if we

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can't find a way to put maybe a just a light barrier of sorts that that for the 120 plus plus days while you're working on your sea while you're doing all of this, we can't just make sure that we don't have light coming across uh you know to our neighbors. And I and I'm

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wondering if you can't help. I don't know if this is part of your design. That's why I asked you Mr. Boak, but whoever can answer that best is a concern for me mitigating how long we have any light concerns going into our neighbors, >> whether it be with landscaping or or low fence or something.

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I mean, I I thought I mean maybe we could put you like with those silk fences with the wood, right? Maybe we could put >> a higher one at the height of lights because whatever we do there is going to be temporary as they come in to build the seaw wall. They're going to need to

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get trucks in there, right? So, we don't want to put a fence there. We don't want to put shrubs there because they're going to be in the way. But if we do like a temporary almost like a self fence, but it would hang from from maybe this height to this height. So, those plants will be knocked down uh until

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replaced and then I have no problem I have no problem landscaping back there. We'll take care of those people back there. I wouldn't like it if it was my house and some lights were getting >> and I'm just suggesting that's very early in your process, right? That that

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is a very early thing to mitigate the light. I don't think noise is going to be an issue with one ballet coming or several ballet coming going. How quickly can we get that? >> I can commit that within within 30 days we fence up there uh across the back to knock down headlights if that's what you like. Um that could help solve that

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problem there. That's not a big that's not a permanent thing. They just need find some >> big. >> Yeah, understood. Thank you. That's >> we certainly do that. >> I mean going for you but >> that's unless I forget your question.

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>> Okay. There nothing further from me. Thank you. And you know, I appreciate your consideration. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right. >> Um, when did the Myar discover that it didn't have adequate parking for um for

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uh its restaurant and bar? >> Well, I I wouldn't say we don't have adequate parking. I think um you know, our plan is if the hotel's full, uh we've got enough uh spaces for all the rooms. Uh the food and beverage outlet

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is open to the guests. I uh you don't run 100% every day, but I think we knew that we were going to have to run a social media campaign and a marketing campaign that kind of said, you know, uh most nights our lot's going to be full. We would have valet guys out there

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anyways to suggest that they park up at the county lot, right? Um but um the opportunity to buy this property and lease this property gives me the opportunity uh to probably grow my food and beverage business stronger than it would have grown without it. Um you know

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so >> how many spaces are you thinking? >> What will Myar need on the average day? Um I don't know how busy the restaurant will be. I hope the food's great and and everybody comes. So do we. I would think

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um you know probably valet wise 30 is probably what we're going to use a day not nowhere near hundred something. So, um, our commitment moneywise is to, you know, basically try to get something approved that we can build that will,

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um, um, make the land value what we need to pay for it and maybe get me some, uh, some extra permanent parking over there when we build something once I know what the needs are, right? And and in the

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meantime, [clears throat] um I know that the donses are need spaces, so why not help? >> What are they looking at? Many have they >> Well, I think they would tell you that that every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday is a special event at the Donses uh in the busy season. And I think they need

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the parking lot outside. They have valet cars, too. And and they're having their employees park in this lot. And you know, they've been doing that for >> what you think 50 spaces, 75. >> I think someplace between 50 and 100 the the Dawn's going to use. Um, and and I

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don't know if that changes when they if you say that they can only valet. I don't know how they make that work, but I told her if we're approved tonight, I would contact her right away and sit with her because it's a concern of hers. She'll have to make other arrangements to park. So I think most on the beach

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are I mean beach parking is is a shortage all all the way up and down the beach, right? >> Um so um >> that's because everybody wants to build build uh density for hotel rooms instead of using some of it for parking. So and

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hence hence a bit of a shortage. >> Hence a bit of a shortage. And it's all about how beautiful the beach is and everybody that wants to be out there, right? So, um, you know, >> so are you talking Don Cesar proper as well as the suites are are looking to to >> I'm not sure because I haven't even met

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with them. I know the GM of the Don Cesar called me last night. So, other than that, that's the first time I've ever talked to her. I didn't feel comfortable >> in Zamora. How many spots are they using typically? Um, you know, I think I think they they're using from what I've seen

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over the last months, uh, they're using 10 15 spaces at that south end. Um, and you know, so I think the 140 spaces or whatever we have in phase one is is probably enough to satisfy

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everybody. Um, if you approve it, you know, I mean, phase two involves taking down a lot of trees. it's going to open up light for a lot of other homes. So, I thought we'd we'd leave that be until we see if we need more. Um, but you know,

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this uh expense we're going to go through to get this done is not a profitable venture for me, you know. >> Well, I mean, let's let's face it though, the seaw wall is a seaw wall. Whoever owns that property has to get that repaired. So, if it's you repairing it and investing in that repair, it's

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going to pay off for if you sell it. So because it it'll be an improvement to the lot. So it it's something that just has to get done regardless of who it is and that is why use and regardless of what use it is. So I don't really look

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at that as as you know it's it's you know something that you have to do because you bought the property. >> Um and like I said if you sell it it's going to be an improvement to the property. So it it would adjust accordingly with that. So tell me what

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what to you is the difference between >> considering first day of operation >> and within and with uh within 120 days after date of this ordinance. What is that four months? What is that? What is that buy? What is that buying you?

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>> It's buying us what's happening today. It's buying us not to have to call the dawn and to say that they they've been using the lot every almost every Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Uh my contractors uh park there o only during the day o on the north end of the lot. Beth let lets

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them park there. Zamora has employee parking on the south. >> But isn't that all um in violation of the current cup? >> It is. That's why I'm asking that's why I'm asking you for approval to allow that to happen. >> So you want to allow >> violations to happen violation of my cup

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if you approve it. >> Right. Not of yours but of the current cup. this the current cup I believe is going to be terminated if mine's approved. So I I don't want to be I don't want to be in violation. I'm in violation nowhere and don't want to be tomorrow. So if you're not willing to

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approve that 120 days, then I need to walk away from >> sign this and that vi that that that negates the the prior cup and we would sign something tonight. It could still take you four months because this just says prior to the

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first day of operation. So if it took you four months or if it, you know, uh, took you longer, it's just prior to the first day of operation. >> No, I guess what I'm saying with the four months is within the four months, >> we can do everything the city is asking

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us to do. put in uh gates, uh put up put up the landscaping, do everything the city wants us to do within that fourmonth period of time so we can operate under the terms and conditions that the city is asking us to. But it's going to take us because I have I have done none of that work. I have not

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ordered gates because I I don't have the right to do that. I don't I don't lease or own the property today. Not until the the minute if you approved us tonight, then my lease goes into effect. So, uh uh because that work isn't done. I don't

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I I can't take the approval without without the four months because then I'm going to wake up in the morning and I don't have any parking for Myiramar. We don't have any parking for dawn and I won't go park there if I don't have approval to do it. I I just don't I

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You'll find that none of my properties have a code. I >> think she's asking are you going to operate during those four months or are you going to wait? That's the question. >> Are you operating within that 120 days on that? >> We are we are absolutely operating under the current conditions that exist there

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now. Except um I will uh put new locks on those chains and >> no if we sign this tonight and it gets rid of the other cup we'll be operating under this one and

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we're saying 12 the 120 days. I'm asking you in that 120 days, are you going to be operating that lot? >> Yes. I'm asking you to operate that lot exactly. That's the question. Exactly the way exactly the way it's operated now >> for the last years. Yes. Exactly. >> Which was in viol Okay. So now it's

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>> it's now it's not but now it's not in violation because you're allowing >> you're allowing me to operate. >> We're doing it by default because we didn't I mean it's in violation now. But it but but it won't be in violation if you approve if you give me [laughter] that four months. >> Okay. So

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>> and and I we can immediately >> for four months no gate, no fence, no the things you've listed, but you'll be operating. >> All of that will be ordered to be completed within 4 months. Yes. And um we will change we will change the

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padlocks on the chains to make sure that we can control it >> to keep the people out of there that have been bothering the neighbors um by by by doing beach parking there. So I can I can do some things within that are within my power to try to control it

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because I'll because I'll have possession of it. But um >> access control >> access to my access to my contractors. Yeah. You will control the entry into and out of that place and you will be responsible for the entry in and out of that place.

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>> I I'll be responsible. Yes. >> Yes. >> We do need to take public uh testimony as well. >> I had more questions. >> Oh, I would ask that we extend a meeting to hear comments and continue the meeting. >> All right. Um

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do we have a motion? >> I'll make a motion to extend till 10:30. I second. >> City clerk, please. >> Just a moment. >> Sorry. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Commissioner Marian, >> no.

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>> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cy, >> yes. >> Mayor Tate, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Okay, let's uh let's continue, Miss Rob. >> Okay. Um um kind of a incidental question, but back to trees. Why did you

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choose crepe myrtles and are those in the front >> on Golf Boulevard side? >> I had to name something and what the city allowed and I they seem to be the most acceptable. I just Yeah, I we had to we had to make a decision like and I

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actually I had like the next day to get the application in because the deadline was coming up and when I spoke to the staff it was like well here's here's the ones we accept and I just I'm not really a landscape expert but we would bring in somebody to help us you know get all that straight but I just picked it from

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what was available and and acceptable >> because it's more of an inland winter haven thing. >> Yeah, I know. and and the items and the ones that we did here have here didn't make it. >> Well, I >> and and blinds pass. So, those didn't make it. >> What I could tell you about landscaping

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and trees would take about 20 seconds. So, I I just had to pick something because I literally I if you'll notice the first application, if you go back, I actually had to handwrite it that night because I couldn't even get it typed up in time to get it in. So, if you see the first application, it's all my scribbled

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handwriting through the night on that eight pages to uh to get in in time. So, you know, I'm sorry, but I I just didn't have time to rule. >> No, just just >> uh a question because >> they just didn't make it well here in this town as it was. And it's ironic

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that you would put them in there. That's all. >> Pardon me. I'm sorry. >> It's just ironic that they would go back in when they they make it. Um, >> believe me, I >> they they look like um just sticks um up and down the road. >> Believe me, I'm I'm not objecting to uh

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to suggestions on the landscaping. I don't think Mr. Pen is either. Yeah. >> Okay. I I really don't probably don't have another question on that. Um would be it cler audience comments for us?

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>> Yes. Jack Martin. Martino, >> if you could state your name and your address. >> Yes, sir. Uh Jack Martino, 3848 Palm uh G Boulevard, Palm Crest User Motel. The Mir The Myar development is a beautiful project that fits the character of St. P

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Beach. My concern is not the project itself, but making sure the conditional use permit includes the protections needed for neighbor neighboring businesses and residents. Over the past years, the existing conditional use permits have created ongoing problems for my business and the surrounding

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neighborhood. We have had deal to deal with illegal beach parking, illegal sales of beach parking, public urination, public intoxication, trash, late night tailgate parties, construction equipment and material storage, neglecting landscaping, and

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broken fencing. We do not want to see these same issues continue. If this permit is approved, I respectfully ask the I respectfully ask that it includes the following conditions. Valley parking only. No special events self-p parking.

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Uh security gates must remain closed operational at all times. If a gate breaks, the lot should be staffed or closed until it is repaired. The operator must take reasonable steps to prevent illegal beach parking and related activities from disrupting

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neighboring properties. The parking lot must be kept clean, free of trash with landscaping, fencing, and property property properly maintained. The city must enforce these conditions and hold the operator accountable if they are not followed. With these protections in

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place, I believe the conditional use permit can work while protecting neighbor neighboring properties owners and preserving the character of our community. Thank you. >> Thanks, sir. >> Amanda Davis.

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>> Hi, Amanda Davis. 3820 Golf Boulevard. So, right across the street from the exit for what Zamora is using right now. Um, I talked to Mr. Bowden outside. This all sounds great. Um, where I'm coming

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from though is we've been doing special use permission on this lot since 2011. I've lived here since 2009. Every couple years I get a letter just like this. It has a nice little diagram. Tells me how we're getting a fence. Tells us how

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we're getting landscaping, etc., etc. None of it has come to fruition. Additionally, we've had all these violations. I know we've let everybody know about it as um they come up. Some of you are newer, but I know you probably still have videos sent of all

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the trespassing and everything that comes from Zamora parking primarily. Basically, I'm a little nervous, so I'll read my notes here. We've heard the same empty promises from the city at every

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time this comes up for renewal that they will work towards developing something that fits within the variance without a variance with proper zoning, valet only, secure lot, they'll monitor the premises, build appropriate fencing,

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etc. And it has never come true. This is where we're coming from with 15 years of this lot operating like this. So, if you want to do approve this tonight, we can't just have a vision of

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no self-parking. It needs to be in this and there needs to be conditions and penalties and a way forward for residents to seek recourse when this happens. Expanding this 15-year situation creates

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traffic hazard. Can you imagine if 220 cars with 800 people are allowed to self park in a special event? That's almost as big as the Penllis um [laughter] county parking. So that's a huge

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amount of people in an area with no restrooms, with no traffic lights, with no beach access. And none of this can really be managed. It's a huge drain on city resources and we really need to look at if this does

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pass that there are extreme conditions and that they are enforced. Um I understand that there would have to be a transition period that they will have to take some time to get this into effect. I do not think the Zamora

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employee parking should be allowed to continue because it is not employee parking. It is beach parking. that is what they've been using it for for years now. Um I made some notes as we went on. It was mostly about that transition period and

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I really just urge you to think of our community to think of the 102 homes across the street that we can't continue in this manner for another 15 years. Thank you. >> Thank you >> Vicky Pullen.

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Good evening everyone. It's a long late night, so I'll I'll shorten mine down a little bit. First off, I want to say commissioners and mayor that I'm really glad to hear some of the commentary because I can tell that it's coming directly from the letters that our

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community sent in. So, I'm happy to go back to the community and report. That's what I heard tonight. So, thank you for that. Some of this might be a little bit redundant, but as you well know, a primary responsibility of the city commission is to ensure the safety of

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residents and visitors. This particular city up as it stands now allows for over 200 vehicles to be parked for the special events. And many of you have said that's a bone of contingency. That has to be very, very clearly defined. I

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picture an event and more cars coming across the street. And how is this going to be controlled when just on the 4th of July we sat on our balcony and watched it take 45 minutes for people just to drive down Gulf Boulevard to get home.

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Um this doesn't specify any frequency of the events. There's no parameters around what a special event is. If a special event is the dawn asking to valet, well that's one thing. I don't consider that a special event, but maybe my language

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is wrong. Maybe that's a contingency of what the the lease wants to do, but those things to Amanda's point have to be very very clear. You know, pedestrians, we all see it. They cross Gulf Boulevard directly to the beach rather than using the crosswalks. And

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the crosswalk is 10, you know, steps away. Of course, that puts them in danger. And of course, there's also an additional security risk for us homeowners because people cross the street that way. They come in where there's no beach access. They climb on

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our fence. They climb over our uh pool heaters to get a pong table over and have their day at the beach. And that's what we've been uh dealing with. Um speaking of safety, according to city data reported by Bay News9 in March of

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this year, there have been five fatal accidents and 18 accidents involving serious bodily injury since 2017, with most of those occurring on Gulf Boulevard. Adding a large parking lot with sole access to Gulf Boulevard

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disregards safety concerns. Furthermore, this property has a 15-year history of misuse, including numerous cup violations and extensions, as Amanda said. So, I just implore all of you that we've got to have a lot of detail around

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what's going to happen. And to Amanda's point, then we have to know that we're going to have the support as homeowners, that if there is an issue, we can rely on you all to support us and that there is enforcement of what is written in the cup.

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Um, that's pretty much it. I thank you for your leadership. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you for your comments. Thank you very much, [snorts] >> Deborah Shner. Uh Deborah Shechman, Bokeisa Isle, St. Pete Beach.

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Is this still considered bio residential? Okay. So, we're taking a residential area and we're spot zoning it, no matter how you look at it, to allow a parking lot. That's illegal. Valet's crossing Gulf Boulevard. Lady just told you how

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dangerous it is. How many more people have to die? What about that valet? Does anybody care about their lives? Probably not. You're opening a Pandora's box if you allow this for every other lot that's empty in the city to turn it

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into a parking lot. If the hotel did not have enough parking to sustain their restaurant and bar, they shouldn't have been approved. And they stated that they had that parking available. We also have the freebie. We have buses. We have Uber. People can get

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there. Why would the dances are want to park there? So if the hotel doesn't have enough parking, then the days that the dances are are filling the lot, they won't have enough

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parking. Noise, lights, dust. It is not applicable that those things will be taken care of. And um let's see in a home anything along the water the fence

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can be 4 foot high no more than four feet high. really goes back to the fact that it was testified here that this particular hotel had enough parking and now they're coming to you and telling you they don't

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and they're worried about residents being able to use their facilities. Doesn't ring true to me. really worries me that you would give a cup

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to an entity that testified one way and now all of a sudden they don't have enough parking. It's not your job to make sure they are successful and that the Dawn's going to park there, Zamore is going to park

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there. How many other parking hotels parking spaces that hotels need? If the hotel has enough parking, then why would do we need special event parking? Special event parking doesn't usually

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work very well. And again, I really go back to those valets. Crossing Gulf Bark Boulevard is dangerous. people, pedestrians as well, don't take care often and then you're putting these

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young men and women in danger. This is really being bamboozled. >> Thank you. >> I have no further audience comments. >> Mayor, if I might just qualif um for the

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record on section 42.4 Four, land development code for bayou residential zoning district states the allowable conditional uses and E is off premises parking lot. So it's

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allowed if you have a conditional use in the Bayou residential if you meet the criteria. >> Thanks sir. I appreciate that. >> Okay. Um, we peppered all the questions and so I I

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think it's uh we've heard feedback. Um, yeah, I don't know if we have a I will say this. I I I know we've we've kind of through our discussion this evening kind of talked about temporary fencing, right? This this uh temporary light barrier. We've talked about um you

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know, I think there's some some desire for for valet only. I think we certainly heard that, you know, from our residents and I think that's uh something of of of import. Um and so I think I think um for me as is, I think we still have to kind

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of solve some of these things. Um and I don't know what the most I guess expedient way to to get this done, whether that's this evening approved with these kind of adjustments or whether that's uh you know, whatever the right phrase is. So, um, you know, I I I know I've heard at least, uh, the

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mitigation with the temporary fencing and and ideally valet only, although I don't know how broadly that's held across the commission. Um, but I I don't know what you recommend city attorney on on path next forward or or how we go about this and unless Commissioner Muller, you can

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>> So, you can you can always continue if you want more information or if you want more time. You have all these conditions from the applicant. You have um the concerns you raised. Brandon may need some time to write these up. Um maybe we could get some direction from the

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commission this evening before 10:30, then take it back through staff and then bring it back to you the next meeting. We continue to a date certain unless you're going to vote to deny then that's a simple vote that can happen quickly.

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>> Can we just check in with the applicant on timing just so I understand from Mr. Odin, our next meeting is July 28th if we were to continue to a date certain. >> Yeah. I mean, I think I think we could

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work through the the issues that have been put forward and and and approved something tonight that we could live with. But if you would rather continue it um till the next meeting, that's that's fine. And I I I would like the the termination of the

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current cup uh extended to that same date so it doesn't drastically change everyone's life tomorrow. >> Um but um >> so yes, so if we're going to continue, we would recommend you continue all three to the date certain which would be July 28th.

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>> But we we certainly are are are willing to take the comments that were given tonight, work through it with Brandon, and come on back to another meeting if that if that works. I think that would I think that would not only ourselves but I think give the community some comfort that that uh that some of these things the mitigating pieces that we're talking

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about are are going to be in place as written you know as we approve it. So um I think that would you know I haven't yet heard from commissioner Malinado but I think that that sounds uh like the right approach from a commissioner Malinado sir. Yeah, I do agree that um that that would be the best

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alternative to uh to making a irrational decision tonight. Uh I do think though after hearing comments from the public as well as the commission and the applicants so that um the understanding of special events is really just eval

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parking. It almost made it sound like it was bifurcated into what you would envision at some future time to maybe involve something beyond uh what it is that you're presenting to the commission. But

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for the definition of today's discussions, I want to make sure that we all understand that even if it's another hotel year, that they're also using valet parking 100% of the time. >> I I think you're right. I think the term

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um the term special event was used for a self-p parking event that the donar was going to have there. Um but I think I'm certainly agreeable to back off that and to to take take the special event away

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>> if they term it a special event the persons moving the vehicles entering and exiting the lot would be valet staff only >> at all times. >> That's right. So there doesn't that that means there isn't a special event. Uh there isn't a special event at all. It's

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just 100% belly parking all the time. >> They can term it whatever they want. But you as the >> as the operator as the operator, as the potential owner, your assurances to us and to the public are that it would be valet only. >> I I think I'm agreeable to that after

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talking to the public. >> Yeah. >> Tonight withdraw special event. >> I'm agreeable. What am I going to say? They're pretty tough, right? It was it was no no they they were kind. I they have a problem to solve and and we're happy to help them solve that problem. >> Talk through most of the concerns that

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we've received emails and correspondence and discussions >> and I understand the frustration of having heard promises for 15 years and >> I I get it. I wasn't making those promises for 15 years. >> No, no, no, you weren't. You're starting

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from a clean slate. So >> I'd like to be starting at step number one. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Um I know I see some green lights to my right, so I'm not sure who was first. I I apologize. U Mr. Robinson, please. >> I know. Um I believe you were first.

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>> Sure. [laughter] >> Um yeah, thank you and and I know this has been a long night and I thank everybody for hanging in there and uh and all the hard work you guys have done to put together a plan that um that is very thoughtful. Um, I think that it's very clear that if we just keep this as

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valet only, that solves 90% of our problems. Um, I think I would I could be comfortable with the uh with the text uh of the conditions as provided by the applicant. I'm also very comfortable in giving staff um and the applicant some

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time to make sure that everybody's agreeing on the same thing and that there's no misunderstanding about what we're agreeing to. I think it's completely reasonable for them to get a fourmonth transition time to continue operating the lot as as it is right now

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as it gets improved every day because I'm sure it will get it it's it's not like it's not like we can wave a magic wand and make it what what we want it to be tomorrow because construction of things takes time. Um, and I'm sure that they also are not going to wait

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120 days and then wave that same magic wand [laughter] and make it happen overnight after 120 days. So, I think that gives time for continual progress. You know, there's construction happening all over the city in every single neighborhood after the storm. And I certainly think it's

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appropriate for us to extend some grace and him [clears throat] wanting to have a place for his, you know, contractors and workers to park while his hotel gets finished. I don't think that's unreasonable at all. Um, and so I'm 100% for this. I think it's going to be a a a

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a significant improvement over what's been happening. Um, you know, so far in our dealings uh with with this applicant, he's done everything he said he's going to do and, you know, has been has been a great person to work with. And so, um, so I mean, I think this is

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really a this shouldn't be hard. Thank you, Commissioner Cy. >> Uh, I think my only addition to this would be to ask regarding commercial vehicles or the construction equipment that would uh is being parked there

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during the daytime. Could we limit that to the 120 days? Because I I know you'll have another project starting up and I'm wondering if we'll end up with construction vehicles being in that lot

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in the you know, six months from now. >> Oh, you're talking about beach event. Um, yeah. No, that's that's too far away. The 120 days is, you know, um the hotel will be about complete. It's July, August, November, October, November.

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Yeah. Uh the hotel will be about >> Okay. So, I would like to make that one of the conditions. >> Sure. Okay. Sure. Commissioner Kazzy, I would just um caution us to not do something that means that if a guy who's a plumber in his plumber truck comes to his restaurant next January and has his

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plumbing truck valet parked in the parking lot that that's all of a sudden going to be a violation of the cup because there's a lot of trades people who patronize businesses and don't necessarily have another car. So I I I mean may maybe maybe we maybe we limit I

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mean if if that's his only option you bet he'll valet. [laughter] >> I valeted my car when I told the valet he had to push start it. So, you know, I think I think uh I think we >> I I mean, you know, may maybe we want to

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maybe we want to limit, you know, five axle tractors or something, but you know, just a blanket a blanket prohibition on on what who knows what somebody might define as a construction vehicle, I think is very problematic. >> Well, that's a good point. I think

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>> against that. Uh, it is a good point, but I think what I'm just trying to address is the five to 10 construction vehicles that are parked there every day. >> And I didn't want that. >> Construction using it as a construction staging area.

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>> Yes. And that I would don't want to be happening for the next year, for example. If I can add a point, um staff already has a condition in there that says when we're operating the the facilities, we can have construction

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equipment there subject to approval by the building department of a construction management plan. So once we got through the transitionary period, which we can define out as part of these conditions, then once we're through that 120 days, then that other provision

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would take effect, which is it's going to be valet parking of non-commercial vehicles except in connection with an approved plan from the building department. And as Kevin said, I don't we don't anticipate there being any more construction equipment there, but that kind of maybe addresses the issue of

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someone who has a construction vehicle that they drive as their everyday vehicle, >> but it will need to come through the building department beyond the first 120 days. So then it's then it's a city kind of blessed >> uh you know situation in that >> correct there.

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>> That helps. >> Okay. I'm I'm cognizant that we got just a few more minutes that we got. Yeah, >> it would be to July 2. >> Got a motion. >> Uh let's see here. So the uh motion is to continue to 28th July

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>> 6 pm >> 6 pm conditional use permit 26107 through resolution 2026-22 >> as well as 20 2614 and 2020 >> as well as 20 262 and

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>> 142 >> yeah 14 and 16 20 26 and 2026-16. >> Second. >> Commissioner Marriott, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Robinson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cosy, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maldonado, >> yes. >> Mayor Tate,

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>> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. Uh is that that's the last action items, I believe, right? We just uh pushed all those out to the 28th. Um or whatever was just said. I don't want to don't quote me on that. All right. next um

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>> items for discussion I think is next. And uh I think I'll I don't know that we're going to get through all three, frankly. So, you know, I don't know if somebody's got a pressing urgency on either. Short-term rental regulation fees, city commercial agenda timelines [snorts] or city commission agenda timelines, and beach maintenance.

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Somebody have a >> I I'd like to withdraw mine, sir. >> Okay. Which was >> uh beach maintenance. >> Got you. >> We we can pick it up another session. Um, anybody else want to withdraw or or nope hammer out two pretty quick

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>> because you all have already gotten it. Go ahead. >> All right. Uh, shortterm rental. Short-term rentals. Okay. And I apologize to whoever asked for the agenda timeline. We'll we'll defer that if we have to. Okay. >> We will not go past 10:30 >> unless we all vote to do it again.

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So I I wanted to present uh the memorandum that uh the legal opinion for uh vacation rental registration regulations and cost recovery while preserving the city's pre201 grandfathered vacation rental

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regulations. This was sent to all of us from Becky Bose um in regards to that and what we could do. This is an area that we can offset costs and by off by offsetting those costs and charge uh doing that we

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can add to our general fund. And so it is an roundabout way of actually getting some more revenue in and it would be starting with the um the uh special magistrate, everybody

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who has illegally done so. Um and as well talking to Becky, the ways to go ahead and go about getting the database for it is actually quite easy. Um they are currently working with a couple cities doing such and um you know

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potentially uh we're looking at I mean this could be a million dollars a year depending upon how you know how much we charge and I've been told you know we just have to have justification for the charge. It would

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be all the costs associated with code enforcement, administration, all that. Because the reality is all of us who don't have vacation rentals or don't have properties that were short-terming renting, we're paying

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for the code enforcement and the administration and everything else to handle that. And that needs to really be picked up and be carried by the folks that are doing that. And to do so, they need to cover the cost of that. So, I don't know if you've read this or

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not. >> I have read that. I interpret it quite a bit differently um than you did. I think I and maybe I need to do a little more investigation on this, but I think that one, we can only charge a registration fee for short-term rentals that are

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allowed short-term rentals, right? We cannot I mean, >> you have to register for it, right? And >> Right. So, so, so there's a limited number of properties in the city that can do short-term rentals. So, those are the only ones who are >> M or M district overlay.

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>> We can only charge fees that actually cover the costs of managing the program. >> Manage all administration. >> If we're going to charge a million dollars, we're going to spend a million dollars managing the program. And so, that seems completely like all we're doing is making work.

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>> And that seems ridiculous. that t I discussed this at length with with Becky and there are programs that that you can put into use to find out who who is doing doing the short-term rentals because what's right now we have nobody applying for any sort of business

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permit or anything that we even know that they're that they're doing it. This is allows for the re uh registration of them. We can cover all the administration costs. We can cover the code compliance, the code enforcement officers. we can cover all that and that

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allows a or can allow a significant amount of money to co to go into that department and the funds that we normally would use there can go back into general funds. So it's kind of a kind of a roundabout wash on that. So defaying the cost of the enforcement

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hypothetically would be one mechanism of rec look we're doing the enforcement now and you're just saying we could pull that out of this administrative fee kind of fund rather than out of the general fund theoretically reinforce I'm just making sure I understand.

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>> Yep. >> Uh so are you >> want to make sure that we're not trying to sanction new you know short-term titles or change the time frames. Is that all kind of in your thinking? >> No, no, no, no, no. We can't we can't really change the time frames and e even

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Ralph had said that before and this that is reaffirmed in here because we're under the pre201 uh prohibition on that. We cannot change that. What we put into effect has to stay in effect basically. So I'm not

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change not asking to change the 30-day >> to a 14-day or anything else. I'm just saying a registration fee to offset the costs that we're incurring now and all residents are incurring on behalf of short-term rentals um in this city. It's

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it's potentially another way to I mean look, we're sitting here talking about how to generate some revenue, right? And this is one way that potentially can generate revenue and it's not that hard to do. >> We just got to be careful in using the term generate revenue. It's not intended to generate revenue.

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>> No. Okay. cover rep cover >> associated with management the program a very very >> distinct point >> right and and I sorry I didn't sorry >> I just wanted to give you a little guidance if you're going to provide

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majority direction this evening is that the first step would be we need to do a study >> that's defensible so I would want to hire a consultant to come in and review the current resources to create a nexus

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to recovery. So, if you're going to give me direction, that would be the first direction you would provide to me is please build into the budget consultant fees for studying. I don't know how much the study would cost. I'm thinking 10,000 just off the top of my head

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because it is one very finite um fee. And then you would need to create that study to defend an ordinance. and then we would create a new fee. >> Can I can I uh can I just knowing that we l have a minute either we got to

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extend or or end can I suggest that if this is uh important enough that we pick it up as as a discussion item next I don't I don't want to put an action item on there. I would like to I I don't mind having the conversation and understanding it but I don't want to invest in any studies just yet. I just

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want to kind of talk about it but we're about to be out of time. So continue as a discussion item to the >> and I think this is easier than doing a study. I mean we've got history here with two other cities with our current law firm on this um that have already working with folks that are doing it. My

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other item of discussion, it was just asking uh what everybody thought is if we could get our agendas on Tuesdays instead of on Thursdays to allow more time to to evaluate um and actually be able to go through

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the agenda and also being able to go through public responses. >> Yeah. So if that's the majority desire, I probably need about six cycles >> that's fine >> to change that because of the deadlines

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that are built in internally. >> I don't need that lead time. So >> I think I think Thursday is fine. >> Plus it gives us time to get the last couple things, but I think we're out of time. So >> I I'd say no decision on that again. We can carry it up next time. bring right

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back for more discussion. Uh being that it is uh 10:30 uh our meeting is now officially adjourned.