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America to the republ for it stands one nation under God indivisible and Justice uh Madam clerk roll call please member dashel yes member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair hackin Smith yes chair Lowry yes we have a quorum okay the first thing on our meeting of February 6 2020 25 is the
approval of the agenda um does anybody have anything to add to the agenda today are you looking at the revised yes but agenda I don't know if I have to mention that or not I know there's been a revision to add item 4G which we're happy to do which is uh and other than that anybody else have anything they want to add as a discussion item okay okay I do um you going to say
something Brandon uh staff has a few items after after you speak just these are just really really brief things I just want to keep them in our thought process for maybe next meeting and stuff uh and at the work shop we had I guess that was last week there were some interesting things raised and one of them was and this is kind of directed to staff is you know is to start thinking about how we create I don't know if it's a template for non-historic district
rebuild so homes that we're finding are historic but aren't in the historic district which is you know is kind of more under the uh pass Grill overlay we kind of have an idea of what the homes are supposed to how they're supposed to be repaired or additions to or whatever and I think we were talking about if historic homes get designated in like Bel Vista for example do they have a
different set of rules and there's really no rules in place I don't think I mean do you go under the underlying zone or do do we have to kind of get a feel for the historic homes in that neighborhood and and push the information that way does that make sense what I'm talking about because that's going to start coming up and for people on the the board here too I think we need to think about that a little bit um for example if they get a FEMA variance for one of those homes uh
and there has to be a certificate of appropriateness what are our standards that we look at to make those decisions okay um the other thing is from the workshop last week in the division 20 uh proposed changes there's a typo I think that I just want to point out and if you go to 204 I hope I 2024
and you probably don't have it in front of you but it's on design review and required drawings under Section A4 it says after and this is A4 after the completion of the design review in four above so it should say three because we're in four you follow what I'm saying I think we switched those around and that probably just got mix missed uh the other
thing oh I'm already having the discussions here for what I'd like to add to talk about at the end of the meeting is maybe a little discussion about the design guide book just some maybe some suggestions or thoughts so we can start thinking about that so I'd like to add that to the agenda as well as maybe just have a short talk or have a general understanding about uh the Mary pier and the shuffle board court since those are going to be in our Bailey Wick at some point too
all right so we can I think I just discussed two of those things so I guess we're just adding um five b and c and then Brandon did you say you had something yes and I think the design guide book is linked up with the Amendments that we discussed to the workshop last week I just had a comment on that I believe we'll probably be
bringing that back to you in March or April for recommendation to the planning board so I just wanted to address that uh looking at action items the applicant for item 4B has asked to move that to a different agenda I don't have an agenda for that item yet but they're not present today um so if we could remove 4B and the applicant for 4 d had had asked to have their case heard first is they're under a time frame to leave so that's that's all I have
okay um okay so now so otherwise I have a motion for the approval of the agenda I'll make a motion to go ahead and approve the agenda as modified second uh roll call please member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair hkin Smith yes member dashel yes CH Lowry yes motion carries okay now ladies and gentlemen this is the part of the meeting where we go with
audience comments uh if you're here to comment on certain action items that are on the agenda you can wait and speak then this part is if there's anybody that has any general comments on something in general that's not on the agenda for today now is their opportunity to speak for three minutes about that if they'd like that to do that is there anybody here for those type of audience comments okay seeing none uh the next thing is uh the approval of the minutes
from January 9th of 2025 have all the board members have an opportunity to read those minutes and does anybody have any comments on those or a motion I'll motion to accept the minutes I'll second Madam clerk roll call please member young yes Vice chair Hawkin Smith yes member dashel yes member herley yes chair Lowry yes motion carries okay now we to uh four number
four action items and I believe you said there's a request to do D first that correct so who has the presentation for that I have that one if we could pull the PowerPoint okay so this is case number 25009 for 209 Gulfway actually before I start on this presentation I just wanted to make announcement about the local historic designation cases being heard tonight uh thank you all for making
application uh this is our fifth meeting I believe where we've had a significant number of these and we're we're really appreciative to those of you who choose to and are able to um maintain their structures on our local historic registry I did want to say that I believe all of the applicants who have come forward for this meeting are the owners of the structures we do ask that if you are the owner if you have not filled out a waiver to have your home placed on the registry that you do so when you come up to speak
um we do have the request forms right next to the podium um we can show you where those are if uh when you when you step up if your approval is or if sorry if your request is approved today your structure is immediately placed on the registry once it's on the registry it will be on the registry for at least one year it cannot be removed during that time frame if you take advantage of any kind of incentive which does include the substantial Improvement waver uh your structure does need to remain on the registry for its lifetime we do not currently prevent demolition of
structures but we do require noticing for that if you've not received any incentives the noticing is 30 days if you have received incentives the noticing is up to 90 days um if you have any questions about any type of improvements that can be made to your structure once you're placed on the registry please let staff know you are allowed to make interior renovations to your structure without needing to come forward before this board however if you're making any kind of exterior improvements that are not
just repairs one to one improvements of your structure those do typically need to come forward in what's called a certificate of appropriateness so that may delay the issuance of a permit for those exterior improvements I just wanted to let you know that before we get started so moving on to the application we have a local historic designation request for 209 Gulfway case 2509 the applicant and owner is Linda K Walker they requesting local historic designation of the story structure with
rooftop um deck on the subject property we have some photographs of the property you can see on the left when it was one of a what was originally a trio of structures we have the southernmost of the trio on this uh agenda as well for demolition but you can see the photo on the left side of the screen this was taken for an appraisal back in 1999 there have been some noticeable changes to the residence since then you can see the addition of the rear upper store story now this is a lateral
addition uh so it isn't considered a significant modification to the structure itself um of course as well as the the upper story deck and these changes were made prior to the structures designation as a contributing resource in the 2015 historic resource survey since those uh since that designation the applicant has replaced the siding on the Second Story lateral Edition as well as the rear of the original structure that faces the way to
the east they've also enclosed the carport staff has reviewed these changes um we do find that the structure is still eligible for a local historic designation but particularly with a fiber cement siding that's been added to the second story as well as the enclosed portion of the original rear structure uh we do just caution against any kind of future incompatible changes to the structure of course placing it on the local historic registry is the best way to preserve the structure and and prevent any kind of future incomati
abilities so uh we do have again concerns about potential future alterations that may continue to alter the historic character however um with that with the addition to the rear of the structure being a lateral addition um we we do feel that it's sectioned off enough from the historic home itself um we do support the application to locally designate the residence as a historic building we find it significant in the area of architectural style Masonry
vernacular in the period mid 20th century uh the building is part of a series of structures containing similar architecture and design details that are reflective of mid-century design we're asking for your approval for local historic designation of the single family Residence at 209 Gulfway case 25009 we do have the applicant and owner present if she'd like to make any statements come on up and uh to the dis please and state your name and address for the record please
Linda Walker 209 golway St Pete Beach 33706 Florida I guess um all I want to say is that I love Pas Grill and I love the historic properties they're there I first came to Pastor gril to visit in 1982 and fell in love with it um in fact I visited the house next door to mine which is one of the three that Brandon
mentioned I found myself with an opportunity to own property here in 1999 and have been thrilled to do so I did want to to get above that little Street and enhance my view when I first bought the property but I also purposefully did not mess up the original house because I thought those Cottages were so charming and I still do and so in this process that we've been through the last few months thinking about what to do with my home it's very clear to me I want it to
be what it was I want to retain it and I appreciate your consideration do any of you have questions for me I I have a couple just because I'm going to tell you this is a little bit un not unusual but out of the ordinary for some of the homes we get not there's nothing wrong with that but me just explain and so I guess you understand and everybody else does too when people come to me and they say like you know what's the qualif qualific
ations that I need to have my house historically designated I said well basically it's got to be 50 years old okay and but then I always add a little addendum to that I say as long as you haven't done a lot of stuff to it that makes it not look historic anymore okay although I don't think we've ever had one where we rejected one that was over 50 years old so and you know understand when Brandon or the staff cautions some of those things about you know
because before your house wasn't officially historic you did some additions you did some changes to it that maybe today we would say you C you couldn't do like you can't use that kind of sighting because it's not historic right you're okay you're approved in 2015 and I'm sure I know what the board's what's going to do here but you know this your home is probably and I appreciate everything you said I'm I'm just really almost talking to other people out there that might be listening too
that well let me ask you this question too I know you Rec got some damage maybe from the storm but many people get their house historically designated so they can then fix it up because they're substantially damaged you you're not yeah I'm fine exactly so that's a good thing because being historically designated is just a great thing to be and and maybe in the future you need to do something along those lines but I just I guess I caution is not really the
right word I just want to make sure you're aware that when the staff makes some recommendations about what you can do in the future that obviously you take that to heart I will Brandon and I have spent quite a bit of time discussing this property and and my other property behind it which you all granted historic designation for the Watson house November yes yes yes exactly okay good all right well I just wanted to make sure that that's kind of clear because I would say that what we normally get this house is probably been altered more than
a lot of the other houses again it's still approved it's and it's contributing and all that kind of stuff but you know um I just want to like I said comment that you know if you make changes to the house in the future then you have to do it in a historic kind of way you know well again it would have never occurred to me to come here had I made any change to the original structure which I did I get it so I appreciate your consideration of that thank you all
right does anybody have anybody else have any questions I have a question hi Mr Walker on this second story Edition it looks like that's in the back of the house towards the rear sitting on top of the roof there's another little structure is can you explain what that is on top of the roof of that house of of that looks like an Edition it's a little roof deck it's just a little roof deck with a little gazebo pergula kind of thing and it's not living space
it's is that something that you use often it is and you all are welcome to come see it anytime you like anytime I get back in the house when when's happy hour right okay so exactly all right so before we make a motion do we need to make sure that Miss Walker has completed the waiver oh is this what it is I need to sign yes please thank you to um do you have any questions about what you're signing no I think I read it
before I'll just make sure that I've got it all filled out why you're looking at brand has everybody not filled one out or just some have and some haven't some have we we've received several I'll go ahead give this to the notary somewhere you don't you don't need to have it notorized if you're owner um if you just fill out the top part that's all we need and okay I [Applause] it I'll go ahead and make the motion to approve case number 2 5009 for
designation of the single family Residence at 209 GF way as a local historic resource second Madam clerk roll call Vice chair Hawkins Smith approve member dashel yes member Hurley yes member young yes s Lowry yes motion carries okay you're welcome so now we're going to what's been called 4A which is a local historic designation for the commercial or Ro structure 1048
Avenue we could pull the PowerPoint back up this this case 24117 for 104 8th Avenue Marty Nora for Peter Nora of Nora partnership LLC the applicant is requesting local historic designation of the two-story mixed juice building of course we have some historic photographs unfortunately this one did not come with a photograph from its property card from the 1930s which is a which is a shame um the applicant did
provide a postcard that included a an older photo that was in your packets uh you can see on the left uh this is one of the five commercial vernacular structures that we have on the east side of 8th Avenue it's been fairly well preserved you can see that there were modifications primarily to the area above the arcade uh that was unenclosed it was made into a walk out patio on the upper story and you can see that was a change that occurred between 1989 and 2015 since 2015 there have been only modded
modifications um I believe there were change outs of the balls and um and some painting but other than that it's been very wellmaintained staff supports the application locally designate the structure as a historic building we found that the building is significant in the area of architecture particularly the commercial and masonry vernacular style that is important to the history of 8th Avenue and the period in which it was constructed the early 20th century it also broadly reflects the development history of pass Grill it
was owned and operated by m mayor Ed jet during its early years and it continues along with the other structures along 8th Avenue to provide those local goods and services that support the early Resort and permanent residential character of the area so we were asking for approval of case 24117 for local historic designation of the building at 1048 Avenue that's all I have does the owner want to come forward doesn't have to if he doesn't want
to yeah keep it short Marty no I would just like to thank this star board for everything you do I'm like she said I love Pastor gr too and I really want to thank Brandon and Christine for all they do because wow it's we we've been through a lot and hey thank you okay anybody have any questions for him before he walks away okay too late no it's okay that's fine thanks Mr nor did um did the nor sign their waiver yes I
received one okay well I mean we make a motion a minute but I think we'd all agree that this is quite a uh historical structure on pass Grill especially in 8th Avenue and we're glad to see that um you finally asked it to be historically designated but um that's right so I'll make a motion that we [Music] approve let's see what case number we are here 24117 yeah 24117 1048 that Avenue as a historically
designated retail and residential building second Adam clerk roll call please member dashel yes member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair huckin Smith yes member uh chair Lowry yes motion carries all right thank you uh now we go to 4 C since we skipped B and that's the local historic designation number 25005
of the residents at 3406 East deason Avenue M marz good afternoon Mr chair board members um Gil Martinez senior planner Community Development before you today we have a sorry an application for local historic designation Leanne matthos is the applicant for 3406 East to bosin Avenue case number
25005 these are some um historic images of the property dating back to 2008 then again in 2018 this property um was the home of a former mayor for St Pete Beach George manthos he served as District commissioner for district 2 from 1961 to 64 he served on the board of adjustments
for from 1973 to 1974 and he served as mayor from 1974 to 1978 he was also a commissioner for District 3 between 1992 and 1994 and he served on the beach stewardship committee from 2004 to 2009 Mr Manos was very active in our community staff findings staff supports this application for local designation of three 406 East
of bosin because it embodies the distinctive visible characteristics of an architectural style of period and it's also associated with the life of a person who played a significant role in our community with that we recommend approval of case number 255 for local historic n designation of the single family Residence at 346 east of bosin Avenue Miss Leanne manthos is here to take any questions or anything you may have come here as well so thank
you want to step forward ma'am thank you all for your consideration on this um much to my daughter suin I've not changed the outside of the house basically at all except planting some you know Greenery and stuff and actually in fact I want to make the inside you know more kind of roll back some of the inside eventually that it looks more like it did for
instance some of the um traza fls and I know this isn't important for your consideration but some of the TR of floors have been covered and I hope to uncover them so if you have any questions for me but uh I would just ask only I I read this before but did you get a substantial damage or are you I think you're okay right yeah no so I wanted to ask Brandon some questions I mean I'm happy to sign the waiver but I want to understand it a little more because I haven't gotten that L yet so I
don't know whether I am you know damaged or not but I mean the house is I've gotten building permits now and I'm moving forward so I hope I don't have to appeal anything can you answer that question or Brandon or just explain a little bit further on what she sign so we don't have any specific timeline for issuance of those substantial damage letters we issue them as soon as we get the data in from the county in signing that waiver you're effectively waving the 30-day notice
that would typically be provided for listing your home on the registry you do not need to sign it if you don't want to sign it it would be listed after 30 days pending you know you would have the ability to withdraw for those who want to take advantage of that incentive within the next 30 days it would be you know something that they may want to consider but you don't necessarily need to sign off on the Forum okay I guess what I'm saying is if I get a substantial damage letter is is this a variance or do I still have to it to get a variance you would no longer you would
no longer need to appeal as long as you're not making any exterior alterations to the structure which like I said I'm not I love it just but also understand that some of those letters have been not correct that people have been getting okay and so you know better than anybody if you got much damage in your home or not right you know and if it's I mean many many of the homes are not valued as much as the property but uh if you're not substantially damaged correct you don't have to get a variance okay
okay all right and so if you were substantially damaged you'd want to sign that because it accelerates you 30 days you follow what I'm saying you don't have to wait for your letter okay okay so in your particular situation you can do whatever you want you know but I'm saying if you don't think you're substantially damaged there's no you can sign it now it doesn't make a difference okay okay I mean I definitely don't think it is cuz those little block houses they're like tanks you know well you know a lot of the things are like
you know taso floors uh that's probably not going to be damaged if you have you know drywall they got damage that can be expensive some of the old homes didn't have drywall they had plaster and those dry out so you know uh you know and I both but um my point is if you're historically registered okay if you if you're substantially damaged then you can take the next step of getting a VAR a feema variance okay
okay step one would be to get historically designated okay okay if you aren't substantially damaged you're just historically damag designated and end of story you get a plaque maybe if you want to ask us to give you one you know but so uh but also in the future you're already historically designated if something else happens down the line okay that all make sense that say that accurately okay all right um what else is going to say oh also I would like to thank you for a
lot of this information that you supplied because not only is tell a great little story but it all goes in the file for the future and we love to preserve all that information so it's great when people come in with uh you know intimate knowledge because they've lived in the house their family has for a long time so we appreciate that yeah I I um have more his history and whenever the gulf beaches museum opens back up I you know hope to share that with them
too and you probably knew him didn't you Mr Hurley love him or not I love him it just it was a terrible election it was HT hurtful was he was a good mayor no he he was he was a character like I said so thank you again for your consideration okay anybody else have any questions or comments no I'd like to make a motion all right go ahead I'd like to make a motion that we Grant local historical designation for number
2505 I'll second that motion Madam clerk roll call member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair Hawkin Smith yes member dashel yes chair Lowry yes motion carries thank you all very much BR I'll be talking to you thank you thank you all right uh 4 d we handled 4E is local designation uh case number
2490 which is for alhamra Street Lyn hi good afternoon I'm Lyn Rosetti contract planner with the city of St Pete Beach um this particular property was found by the Consultants to be a non-contributing property to the district that they surveyed and the purpose or the reason that they have listed some or found some to be
non-conforming is because they did not know they did they couldn't find any historic associations with people and architecturally they felt that maybe it had been these buildings had been altered a bit or something like that so um I have the privilege of researching for history and this particular property does have an interesting history it's a single family one story residential structure that was constructed in
1959 have the slides please okay yeah we've got to skip that one yeah okay okay so this a masonry vernacular structure according to the Consultants um I agree with that except it does seem
to have some mid-century Ranch features as well the house is rectangular in shape and the exterior materials are stucko over a concrete block has a builtup gabled roof uh Thomas row was the developer and the person who platted the property of doncesar place as originally platted I conducted some historic research on the property and in in actuality Mr Green the owner was able to find a lot of history on
this property and other properties in the Don cazar neighborhood from down at the St Petersburg Historical Museum it's on the peer approach on Second Avenue Northeast and so especially because now the gulf beaches museum is you know under reconstruction and everything it was um it was pretty good find to go down to the St Petersburg Historical Museum and come up with some
interesting history even of of this house and and what was really most interesting I thought was that during this research the one of the curators at the Museum found that this house was a Schultz s c h TZ design in 1946 um this gentleman who was not an archit or an engineer but he was very
much an avid student of Frank lyd Wright and uh miles Vander row an architect a European architect so he kind of copied what they were doing and brought this to designs that he did that he sold to people who were come you know the during that time it was right after World War II all the servicemen were coming home they were getting married they wanted houses and
so a number of them did buy into these particular house plans maybe like a inexpensive man's Frank you know Frank lyd Ry or something like that um Dave Green who's the owner of the property purchased this house in 2004 and I was ask I was talking to him about things that he may have done in the community and what sort of historical associations were linked to him and um
he told me that his idea was born for a Free Beach Ride for the community and consequently he he talked to his wife about that and she told him he was crazy but since then Mr Green has been operating his free breach rides for the public for nearly 16 years and uh
he is kind of been expanding it and the City of St Pete Beach has adopted their own freebie but Mr Green continues to operate his as well and let's see that's a that's the house and it is um one story masonry vernacular primarily staff is recommending approv of this local historic designation of
the residential structure located at for Al hmer Street because it reflects the broad culture cultural economic and social history of the doncesar place neighborhood and St Pete Beach I'll thank you and if you've got any other questions like TR answer them I have a question the shutters on the front of the house do you know if those were original or were they added later I don't have any idea there have it may have been added later because if you recall this house was not considered to
be you know a historic property because they were only looking at the architecture and they found that it had some alterations and they couldn't call it contributing because they were only looking at architecture so but in my opinion the association with the Schultz design houses that's probably pretty significant because this is a guy that was selling his plans Nationwide and
these houses were probably houses that would emulate some of the characteristics of Frank Lloyd Wright and other and others um and even others around here like Glenn Johnson who you know they were Architects he was an architect in his own right he designed our St Pete Beach Public Library and um Sanford Goldman same thing he's got a number of houses around here in St Pete Beach but they were both Architects and this Schultz guy was not
an architect not an engineer and yet he did house designs for people I would say floor plans and things how how they would look and he would do these for his clients and apparently that's a pretty big movement for the lower end uh houses that are considered to be mid-century modern I mean lower end that way but not like not lower a little bit lower than say Frank lyd Wright any other
questions thank you no is Mr Green here want to speak on this yes he is all right come forward please sir da for alra sa Beach yep hi anything you like to tell us we might have a few questions for you but if not this is a great home uh same materials as our other Home Three Doors Down um we dis also discovered some terazzo floor underneath the flooring underneath
the shag carpet I'm just kidding close yeah that's the old story right it was somebody that put some glue on it and then put lolium and then some carpet and they stood there in a circle and they went like this with the glue um but it has some neat stained glass in it same structure you think that stained glass is original at least in the past 40 years yeah I mean I mean obviously the windows look like they're designed for show as opposed to for function you know in a
way right and they're great Windows too they're solid structure um the people before me had the home for about 16 years and they came and down and visited us about 3 months out of the Year and that was it you know I'm not aware of any changes to the structure I couldn't find any they didn't make any tried to research it the best we could okay back in the um on the property they couldn't find the actual property cards like the tax records only show back to 60 you
know all right anybody have any questions for Mr Green it was built in 59 is that right 59 59 yeah but it is where we started the Free Beach Ride we used to uh charge our cars on the side of the building um actually the first car uh and we started at beach goes Pops in April of 2009 and uh the phone kept ringing I told my wife we needed a second car so
then we ended up with two cars there charging the cars then we bought a fast charger because you could only charge those cars you know like regular plugin thing it would take hours um and we just watched and wait for it to charge up and not answer the phone and then we put a fast charger on the side of it and uh I think code enforcement caught on to us at that point uh so we were looking for three-phase electric and Dan from so while I put in a lot of the hours the actual hours it was the community I
really feel that wrapped their arms around it uh Dan from Snappers uh let us go park our car back there behind there and plug in our fast charger there uh Paul Nicholas from the undertoe he said why don't you take my van so we added that to the fleet that was a 15 passenger van um we we started uh he he wrapped his van and that led into the wrapping of gas powered vehicles in
addition to the carts I think um well I know that I even drove uh Frank Hurley home a couple times from the office uh he is the office a a former bar or something I'm just joking sorry Sean no gets better I used to I used to fix his I used to fix his van saw home a couple times we out selling real estate you know right um I also um remember Evander Preston sure uh he got off his bike one time and got
in he took me over to his place and we we probably spent a couple hours in there uh he told me a lot of stories about the uh Bush estate um he played his uh giant whatever it was called it wasn't quite a piano organ but it was that big thing on the wall he must have played that for an hour showed me his giant walk in the kitchen and told me all about the uh mischievous behavior in the city which I won't repeat any of um um yeah it was good times uh I don't
know if you remember Phil and be from seah haags filthy fi yeah yeah yeah good it's good people you know it was the community that really made that happen it's a great story right and they still supported so we survived uh Co um Uber lift uh freebie and we consider ourselves influencers since so many other people do this on their Coastal communities yeah it's good times good very good
thank you sir we thank you for your consideration to keep our home and its ambience in the neighborhood all right and just because I'm keeping score I guess did you get a substantial damage or did you do okay there no letter received did you get did you get water in the house though has he signed one of those he signed a waiver yes yes okay good all right thank you sir appreciate it thank you all right um I'll make the motion yep motion to approve case number
2490 designate the single family residents at 4 Al Hamber Street as a local historic resource I'll second that Madam clerk roll call please member young yes Vice chair Hawkins Smith yes member dashel yes member Hurley yes chair Lowry yes motion carries all right F which is local designation case number 24101 that's the address of 35 is 09 Casablanca Avenue
Lynn thank you Lyn Rosetti contract planner for St Petersburg Beach this property is located at 359 cablanca Avenue it's owned by Wilma walek and this applicant is for requesting a local historic designation for this single family home located at
359 Casablanca Avenue again this was another property that was found to be by the Consultants as non-contributing this is because they thought that there was a second story Edition that had been added to the house on the Property Appraiser's website there is noted that there was a second story addition in the late 19 80s and in
fact Mrs walik said that is not the case that she has own the house since the late uh late 1950s I believe and I'm sorry 1968 she's been there since 1968 she gave us gave me a number of photographs me see if they're I believe they're in here of what the house looked like in different at different time Peri periods so the first one was from 1968
the second was from 1969 and you can see that there was oh you could see that there was already a second story Edition there and so that is proba that is an error the property appraiser site and I would recommend to her that she if she wants to get that corrected with the county she does that at with the property
appraiser but we were able to find plenty of history about this property was the house was built in 1951 and it was a single it was and is a single family residential structure twostory and nature one of the first houses in the belvista neighborhood staff finds that 359 Casablanca meets this requirement for local historic designation because
it does reflect the broad cultural historical character and social character of doncesar place during the recent historic survey like I said this was determined to be non-contributing and um Mr Walter wal walek or deceased husband and Mrs Wilma walek were noted members of the community both were Talent ented artists Mr Walter walek was
especially involved in Community Affairs of both St Petersburg and St Pete Beach Mr walik was a member of the Polish American Society for 50 years and its president for 20 years and in fact the City of St Petersburg designated the the Polish American society as a historical landmark for the City of St Petersburg and believe that I know that there's a picture in your packet I'm not sure that
it's no it's not in this presentation but give me in any case it has their artwork they were both well-noted artists in the area and their house is adorned with many tiles and paintings and things like that that were that are theirs and in addition to that they have also artwork that covered literally
covered the walls of dancers with Pol with the Polish American Club Mr walik was the first president of spiffs which is the international folk fair that is prominent in the city of St Petersburg and he was presented a key to the city of St Petersburg for organizing the many ethnic groups he was involved in organizing the Festival of States parade and St Petersburg he ran for
mayor of St Pete Beach in the mid1 1980s and there's just a lot of historical information on him and also on his wife so they seem like very interesting people Mr walek passed away on March 15 2018 and Mrs walek um I say she she is a little bit feisty I can tell you that because when I told her that the property was not contributing
to the district because it was two story and the two story Second Story had been added I know that really got her hackles up and she brought me many things besides photographs and even even a survey of the house from let's see what is this 1968 that shows that there is a second story addition there if you could switch over to the the
plate well there you can see that there's a second story Edition on there so it was not new it was built that way and so consequently the recommendation a recommendation is to approve this local Des historic designation of this residential structure located at 3509 cablanca Avenue because it reflects the broad cultural economic and social history of the Don's our place neighborhood and St
Pete Beach and both Mrs walek and her daughter are here thank you okay thank you questions you may have or probably ask many more to Mrs walik okay you miss wal you want to come forward how are you great good I'm old but my voice is even older that's okay would you state your name wima wal thank you okay 359 Casablanca after historical
it's going to be Casablanca ah okay beautiful way to have it and I do want a plaque I'm so proud of my house good well we're we used to have that the plaques we kind of fell away from that from a while but we're reinstituting those so we'll make sure you get one thank you I've lived there 58 years the house was built by Mr Swenson of passor Grill in 1951 to Frank and Myrtle young at a cost
of that time $21,500 I hate to tell you what I paid for it in 60 but we did get a substantial uh damage letter of 60% which was really a no no right but we uh appealed it we got a new U inspection 19% excellent that beautiful little house is all concrete block concrete walls they
only cut off 4 in for the air to dry it out we kept fans on it for two months a beautiful hardwood floor the only really kind of bad thing is uh we had to take out five lower kitchen cabinets but they're there to put back and they're made with 3/4 in plywood really sturdy and I will have to retile the floor that's the only
repercussions and thanks to my beautiful family my son-in-law Paul and daughter Linda morisy they've kept me now for four and a half months right that's the bigger problem yeah and uh Paul will put the baseboard in and put the cabinets back and Linda with her magical cell phone she got and gave so much information I'm a landliner I don't know
anything about a cell phone but they've been so much help to me and I thank you and thank thank them well we thank you too I I I I really like your house okay I love it no and I can see in a way someone say oh they added the second floor only because people didn't build that many second floors back then but it's great I mean it's it's a very unique home um and I I
think it's great that you got the information to show that all my furniture was say all my furniture was saved and my husband was an artist and he had a lot of carvings on pedestals they weren't even knocked over so we did get water in the house but it had to be very little right right the time we got that soppy rug up in the padding and everything else it's going to be beautiful again well good that's excellent and I'm glad to hear that you went through the appeal process and got that taken care thank you to all of you
excellent love you okay anybody else have any questions I think your family's going to miss you when you move back home I doubt that shaking her head no um no kid um excellent okay well I'll make a motion that uh in case number 24101 The Residence at 3509 Casablanca Avenue that we uh approve it for local historic designation second Madame clerk
roll call member dashel yes member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair Hawkin Smith yes chair Lowry yes motion carries thank you Miss wson thank you and thank God thank you thank you okay yes 4G is local historic designation number 25008 for 3600 Casablanca Avenue Mr
Martinez good afternoon the application before you is for local historic designation for the property located at 3600 Casablanca case number 25008 the applicant and owner is Mona mcfaden she is requesting a local historic designation for the single family home at 3600 Casablanca Avenue some historic shots from
2011 2022 from Google streets this is a field photo from T curent as well as an aerial photo from the Property Appraiser's office this house was also um the home of a an important person in our community this was the home of Wilson hubard known as Captain hubard he developed hub's Marina in Madera Beach
he served as the St Petersburg St Petersburg Beach Chamber of Commerce and he was a World War II veteran his home has gone under gone minimal Challen changes and its preserved original design and historical Integrity Staff finds a recommendation of approval a because it embodies a distinctive visible characteristics of an architectural style and it's a associated with the life of a person who played a significant role in our
community particularly in the Don CeSar neighborhood staff recommends approval of case number 25008 for local historic designation of the single family structure at 3600 Casablanca Avenue and I believe Miss mcfaden is here to answer any questions you may have as I am as well anybody have any questions from Mr Martinez get to that okay thank you Mr Martinez Miss McFadden you want to come
forward hello my name is me fiden and we have owned the property my parents Raymond and Edna Carter purchased the property in 1959 from Captain hubard who had built the house in 1952 and we have um lived at this house you know my brothers and sisters and I I went to college here we went to high school my
brother uh spent a lot of time with the hubard children they had several and um Captain hubard had started the first Golf Coast halfday fishing party boat in passr and he also eventually started to have a overnight fishing trips and one good thing is what you caught they would cook it for you and that was a really nice thing clean and cook it for you so we liked that and
I have many fond memories of the home and um we let's see back back when we bought the house Golf Boulevard was a two-lane road so it was a little easier to walk across to the beach than it is now but it's still a great great location and um my mother was a government employee and at the time um she wor at the da Cesar because at that time they were the
administrative office for the VA so she was able to walk to work she loved the beach she went to the beach almost every day and um as we grew up and had our own children almost all of our holidays were spent at this house and um very little has changed on the outside of the house the design is still the same so we have no desire to change the design or anything like that and I just hope it
can remain in the neighborhood with the same appearance that it has now okay anybody have any questions for M mcpadden all right thank you ma'am anybody have a motion I'll go ahead and make a motion for local historic designation number 25008 3600 cablanca
Avenue I'll second Madam clerk roll call member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair hackin Smith yes member dashel yes chair Lowry yes motion carries all right now we're on to 4H which is a certificate for appropriateness for the demolition uh case number 250 02 of the residents at 112 4th
Avenue who's handling that from before we begin um member dashel has a couple disclosures to make for this case and uh the two others that come after it okay so I'll read all three uh now so I Danielle thei hereby disclose that on February 6th 2025 uh a measure is coming before the
agency that will ensure the special gain or loss of my relative John D Dil and then uh that is for the certificate of appropriateness for demolition number 25002 1124 Avenue John D G of 112 4th Avenue LLC request a certificate of appropriateness for demolition of a three family residents at 112 4th
Avenue should I go ahead and do the others or it's your preference uh the next one would be again I Danielle Dill disclose that on February 6 2025 uh there is something that will come before the agency to uh create a special gain or loss of my relative John deil this is certificate of appropriateness for demolition number two 5004 804 pass gr way John D disi of 804
pass gr way LLC request a certificate of appro for demolition of a contributing single family residential structure and garage at 804 pass girl way and I Danielle Dei hereby disclose that on February 6th 2025 a measure will come before the agency which will ensure the specific or special gain uh to my losser relative of John D Dil and this
is a certificate of appropriateness for demolition number 25003 10310 Avenue John D D of 10310 Avenue LLC request a certificate of appropriateness for demolition of a three family and one family residence on the subject property thank you if we could pull PowerPoint please so this is the first of the three that we just read certificate of
appropriateness for demolition of 1124 Avenue case number 25002 David AEL of 112 4th Avenue LLC is requesting demolition of the contributing three family structure on the subject property here's some photographs showing the home back in 1938 as well as in 2015 there have been some modest improvements to the frontage since the original photo was taken uh you can see that what was
originally that rusticated block adorned porch has been um enclosed uh I believe it's with stucko at the front there uh the original structure does remain relatively well intact there was a significant addition to the rear of the residence which I believe is as besto shingle uh that is in an unknown year um however the Integrity of the original structure is maintained um according to the owner of the original Builder who was also or sorry the the daughter of the original
Builder who owned the property um the rusticated block was created on site for that original structure and the structure is a masonry vernacular it is one of the earliest masonry vernaculars in pass gril was built in the 1910s um whereas most masonry vernacular in the neighborhood were built in the 1920s or later um of or greater importance than the architecture is the the um inhabitants specifically the son of the original Builder uh JC blocker senior
built the home he was an early mayor of pil um that's not who's shown in the photo that is his son uh JC blocker Jr uh he was penel County's first official historian designated by the resolution of the penel County Commission he was also the County Attorney from the 1920s through the 1940s he was instrumental in some of the early development of our County he was a booster for the Sunshine Skyway um for the acquisition of mud key
acquisition of land for the airport and similar actions of significance in the early 1900s here's some photos of the damage the city has produced a substantial damage letter for the structure it did exceed 50% So based on the County's assessment the structure was um noted to have sustained damage that exceed 50% I did want to point out to uh the applicant I'm sure they are well aware that local historic designation would allow for a waiver of that determination
they would be able to restore the structure without needing to adhere to the substantial Improvement requirements uh they did state in their application that it was not um it would not produce a reasonable return on investment to restore the the structure um as the board knows uh for contributing structures such as the subject structure that are not on the local historic registry demolition cannot be prohibited it can be delayed up to 30 days days to discuss potential preservation
incentives and here are the criteria that staff has responded to in the staff report regarding issuance of demolition permits for contributing structures staff um as mentioned before uh the structure was determined to be substantially damaged based on the letter sent out by the city uh we are not recommending a delay in issuing the approval to demolish the structure however do ask for testimony from the applicant whether a substantial Improvement waiver could assist in
preserving the structure given the documented extent of damage uh this is also a three story uh sorry three unit structure um based on the underlying Zoning for the structure it would only allow for a one unit structure to be reconstructed now given that this is in the passor grill overlay the applicant does have the ability to redevelop the structure with three units however they are currently limited to the same developed square footage based on the overlay amendments that are proposed there would be the ability to add in a
garage and storage space at the ground level just to get the structure above the flood plane but the developed square footage standard for the living level uh that limitation would remain in place so again the structure or sorry the property would be eligible for a on Story stru one unit structure to be redeveloped a single family home they would be able to retain the three units if they were to redevelop with the same living square footage so so we just want acknowledgement from the applicant that that is the limitation that would be
placed on Redevelopment so if adequate testimony is provided staff request a motion to approve case 25002 for the demolition of the three family residents at the subject property it's all from staff okay I I have a question just haven't quite seen this situation but and just a hypothetical here um I me I'm familiar with the structure and obviously the one in the front that you had the original
pictures was was built before essentially the two editions in the back MH uh and I think is that's the only portion that has the rusticated Block in on it I think correct and is there any kind of hybrid scenario this is more more for future use that you know can you is it possible to keep the the person wanted to keep the front structure get rid of the back two structures and then still develop something you found what I'm saying based on zoning that would be an option
um of course they would be limited by the setbacks just as they are today I don't know the current setbacks of the structure would meet the current zoning code so there might be more of a horizontal limitation than there is today but it's it's a possibility based on the code and and along that line if that was to happen uh could you build a single family structure behind the first the kept part of of of the
structure you follow what I'm saying or would you have to build two with the same footprint like you mentioned before it wouldn't have to be two um now the limitation would be on anything greater than a single family home being redeveloped whether the current rusticated block portion of the structure is retained or not the limitation would be that developed square footage based on what is currently in the code so that would apply whether one unit were to be reconstructed or two we on the same you understand what
I'm talking I mean I think we're talking about the same thing as far as and so even though it could be two separate structures is that's what I'm really saying not to connect them but make it more of a separate structure or I guess it could be connected like the house we saw earlier where they build into the build onto the back instead of the front right a lateral addition might be more appropriate the way that the language is currently drafted and this isn't proposed to change in the amendment is that the new structure would need to retain the same form and mass we have a
design review later on today that is is preserving what I believe the intent of that is where the structure looks similar to what was there previously um so having separate residences I mean again if they were if they were laterally connected or something like that that might be an option okay I just wonder go ahead unit it's all one structure now is that correct yes well it's it's it's connected but it's three separate units within it correct
understand okay anybody else any questions from Randon all right Mr Delle that pronounced correctly want to come forward we have to get some testimony I know that uh he is not here okay state your name for the record please Sam Irvin um I guess authorized agent for for for David um to demolition contractor yes just through it can you just State your address please uh you
can business address if uh 1608 uh North 43rd Street T Florida 33605 okay let me interrupt for a second so Brandon is that going to satisfy the testimonial aspect I I know we have an authorization for the demolition permit but I don't know that we have an authorization to represent at the hearing so well obviously the I would have is there has to be the recognition that he knows he
can either has to build one structure or three with the same footprint which is pretty small considering you know what people want to build today MH and so my opinion would be that I don't think we can take testimony or assume that without actual testimony or Affidavit of some sort from the owner themselves because if later there's a Mis exception about that it can't be because he said it was okay you follow what I'm saying I
understand the the the one option I could think of is that the board could condition me having a conversation with the owner if this is something you'd like to to move forward with today I could definitely we would just amend this by by you later speaking to him and getting that information in person yes okay although I would s i just point this out it kind of frustrates the and the purpose of us doing a demolition permit where we know
we have to Grant it and we do like a we sometimes do a 30-day or depending 90day wait because we're supposed to be able to talk to the owner the C so we can talk them out of it and we obviously don't have that option under the circumstances that that you're suggesting and somebody El want to say something and you know considering this is one of three that's just presented as an option the board can take what whatever action he
feels appropriate I guess for my curiosity as well because it's kind of just adding an option to him which obviously he would like to know I'm sure but I mean he 100% does want the full demolition obviously that's not going to help this situation coming from me yeah um but just adding an option I I'm trying to kind of wrap my head around like what would be the yeah well the yeah the the question well it may not be a reason but but because it's it's a contributing structure we can we
can make a 30-day stay sure sure of course that frustrates people I mean if there's a real reason to do that which there might not be we often times do that the reason would be the person may want to reconsider or get more information maybe for example in this case he doesn't know that if he builds three they have to be the same footprint which would be much smaller than today's market might be you follow what I'm saying that's and that's the real problem even though you know he wants to
demolish the whole thing okay that's fine but secondarily does he realize that he has want to make sure he has the other op knows the other option or if he wants to build a s single family residence that's fine he can do that as well sure and it's just really to uh make sure that he's aware of that because I think some people aren't and I don't know there's been an actual conversation so and that and the same thing is going to wind up applying to uh one of the other except for demolishing
okay so I don't know how the board feels about whether we can just have that ENT you know have have him talk to Brandon at a later time to you know make sure that happens um can we do a conditional approval subject to well sure that's how we from the property owner that he has that signed understanding of what can be replaced on the property that' be fun and that I'm confident he'd be happy with necessarily have to 30day stay on
it it's up to the property owner how long that stay is however long it takes for him to respond to that is that accurate what you would say to that Brandon yes that makes perfect sense go from today's date it would just be conditional on him getting that inform you're getting that information from him correct okay and along that line uh so you would be having the conversation with him what we just talked about as far as what he can can't do to the property
correct and and the next two cases on the docket are are the same applicant so it would I have similar requests to both so okay yes so do you want to uh just do those all do all three of them at the same time or should we just have him go sit back and come back up and do all that kind of scenario I'm happy to stand yeah okay okay just I'll go through the next two then if we can get the PowerPoint pulled back
up okay so this is moving on to 10310 Avenue David Asel of 10310 Avenue LLC it's requesting a certificate of appropriateness for demolition of the twostory 3unit structure um it is on the Florida Master site file as a one unified building but there's also a non-contributing outbuilding residence here's some photographs showing the structure from a 1996
historic resources survey that we conducted as well as 2015 when it was uh reassessed to be on a contributing structure to the P Grill historic district here's some photos of damage at the interior of the structure and the outside again same conditions this is a contributing structure it's not in the local histor registry any stay would be limited to 30
days uh despite the alterations which are noted in the staff report the property retains scale appropriate apartment house style residences these are unique uh at least at the city level to pass a grill it sets it apart from the typical detached single family Suburban zoning regulations of much of the rest to St Pete Beach I will say this is also something that we've covered both in our original designation and our bound increase as being something that's unique to passag gril these uh they look like homes they
function as Apartments um that's something that's that's fairly original to uh pass ail Additionally the city has not assessed a structure to have sustained substantial damage it has received an estimated 36.5% um of the structures appreciated value in damage I do understand the applicant filled out the the request similarly to the prior application um they did state that it was not um economically viable to restore the structure so I acknowledge that but I just wanted to point out that we have
not considered it to have sustained substantial damage uh it's a similar limitation to the prior case the structure is limited to a single family home upon reconstruction the applicant could choose to redevelop with the same developed square footage approximately 2600 square fet if they were to rebuild a 4unit uh structure on the property so again we were asking for Testimony we would ask for similar condition from the board related to speaking to the applicant just to address the two items that I brought up
for this case uh prior to approving the demolition of the residents on the property and the third in the series 804 pass gr way case 25004 David AEL of 804 passor girl way LLC is requesting a certificate of appropriateness for demolition of the contributing single family structure here's some photographs of the structure showing it when it was determined contributing in 2015 of course what appears to be fairly
extensive damage in 2024 post storm here's some photos of again the exterior as well as the interior same limitation on demolition um mistake could not be assessed for longer than 30 days uh while the structure is scale appropriate unlike the prior two cases the structure clearly sustained substantial damage County assessment suggested that 100% of the structures appreciated value and costs to repair
had been sustained it is a fairly simple frame vernacular it is scale appropriate but um it's not one of the last remaining examples of its style and passag gril one acknowledgement we are asking for from the applicant there's not the density limitation but there is the Reconstruction of the use uh limitation that this property is subject to being in the crde EA we do not allow for reconstruction of Standalone single family residences the only way that
single family residence could be uh reestablished on the property were to be if another locally designated structure were to be relocated of course we have the zephani of Philips house um which which met that criteria on 8th Avenue uh the applicant May reconstruct a mix juuse development they could also reconstruct a standalone commercial structure on the property so again um we would ask for a condition that the applicant acknowledge this prior to demolition we do ask for
with that condition that the board motion to approve case 25004 for demolition of the residence of the subject property it's all from staff okay all right this is my opinion here because I I uh this is on that last house this is a whole another scenario because you can't build a single family residence there even though it is a single family residence so again we'd have to get
testimony that he recognizes he can't build a single family residence which he may know but he's not here okay and considering there's three properties two of which are really old structures that have significant historic value to the area if it was one property you could say okay well maybe the person's going to we don't know what they're going to build not that we had have to know because this is just a demolition sometimes people like it's coming up later although that home was demolished
last week but you know right away we're getting a design review so I'm very uh I don't feel good without knowing a little bit more and I think that he needs to be in here and talk to us a little bit I know we can we can do whatever he want but with one house you would say okay someone's going to build a house for their own private okay use with three houses he's not going to be three build three private
houses so we selling three lots or be selling three spec homes and all that stuff is often inconsistent with what we're supposed to be doing here is a historical board and so in my opinion I feel because there should be testimony we should be able to question that information not that we can never do anything but at least we would have knowledge which I think is a thing that we all need here I mean obviously there's a way that he could answer
without answering and I get that but uh considering this is like I said three homes all fairly significant two of them as my understanding don't have sub well one has substantial damage or two do all all three of them no one of them was 36% according to the staff report B based on what the city issued um independent of what the contract I realized and and I being specific on
substantial D but not just the idea of I can't get a return on investment so it's damaged you know that way but the fact that all three of those homes essentially could be saved by a FEMA variance not that it has to be and that's everyone's personal you know prog as far as that goes but I feel as a historic preservation board the word keyword being preservation here that we shouldn't be making the conditional you know on them
coming and explaining to you Brandon not that I totally trust you that I don't mean on that way but you may get information that we don't ever get you know and I I feel because it's three homes I would like to see the person come in and and you know tell us something about it so you know I don't that's something we have to vote on or not I mean I think technically the the idea that you need to take testimony has not happened today
and we can make it conditional on him coming back and talking to us as opposed to him talking to you back in the office uh and that's fine but that's essentially going to build in a 30-day um delay just because you can't get back in front of us till next month and I mean he's losing if you think about it from his you know a bank point of he's losing an exorbitant amount of money every single day that they're not down he's not able to do whatever his
next plan is or not and I mean that was actually one of the reasons that I came today one because I wanted to know he was going to come and then he actually ended up couldn't and I was like don't worry about it I'm coming anyway well I think but but I think the issue here and I understand that but 30 days even from I mean it's been four months since the storms and you know he's been and we've been working on it the the permits were a little bit newer to our company and everything so we've been doing everything that we could Kristen I believe um Kristen Coleman was extremely
helpful Brandon was extremely helpful on another one of I'm sure I'm sure and I'm I'm I don't want to be a bad guy here in a way but I I I think for what we're supposed to be doing here is a historic preservation board okay that somebody's Financial who didn't who couldn't make it today I don't know why it couldn't I'm not suggesting one thing right or wrong but he clearly it was clearly stated the testimony had to be given in the staff's report and so you've yourself said you really can't give that
testimony and so I me I I speak with him every single day about this updates no okay that's that's not the point I understand yeah okay and so I mean essentially this is a a a hearing where the Public's supposed to hear stuff uh an affidavit or some something has to be done so staff is satisfied that the notice has been given and he and he actually understands but isn't the general idea of him submitting the application all the pictures going through the entire
process for the sole reason of a demolition be kind of that general idea of him well again yes yes it is but but most usually when we have a demolition permit there's no questions there's no there's no hey you realize you can only build a single family residence here if you demolish that signicant what makes each of these cases unique is that storm damages side if this were just a case coming forward we want to demolish this three-unit building you have to
acknowledge that you may or may not be able to put the same thing back up on this site or you have to acknowledge that this was a residential structure and because of the zoning you cannot replace it with a residential structure those are really significant things that a property owner has to acknowledge absolutely so he doesn't come back to us in a few months with plans saying I would not have knocked this down had I known I couldn't replace it with the same thing and we don't want to take that responsibility saying sure knock it down and you can figure that out later
but wouldn't the only liability be you approving what he requested and then if he did come in three months or so then that would be a whole separate situation well except for we wouldn't have gotten the testimony where he understood it okay if he says I understand then he's he's at his own Peril he can't later say Oh I thought I could build three units of any size I wanted and you say well you can't you should have that's why has he has he submitted anything yet or said anything in any
conversations to you guys nope no exactly about building that that that's my point so that's probably not his intent he just I mean if if there was no storm if there was and I understand I mean that that's he said she said right there St the storm's completely unrelated but how is the storm unrelated in the sense that if there were three buildings if if this was a random Wednesday last year and he's like you know what I want to knock all three you're
the the reason testimony has to be taken from the owner is two things on one of these houses it's it's not that important okay the one at uh 80 802 pass yeah is isn't so much an issue well yes it is excuse me because that's the one that says he's taking he's taking a single family residence and knocking it down Okay so Common Sense would say he thinks he can build another single family residence there he
can't under the code The Zone he cannot understood now okay so that's important that we abely we really know what he wants to do we're just okay the house the other two houses are multi-unit houses he may think Common Sense would tell you I can te him down and I can build another multi-use house he can't he can okay unless you build three tiny areas which but there's been no building discussed whatsoever I know that and so
it's kind of like a what if and I I I promise I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to understand because I know he's he's going to be super unhappy after this which is fine whatever I will take that heat um well also he just consider when we did the local designation for the properties before these cases we had to make sure that each of those applicants signed and understood a waiver that said you know if you do this this is what it means to you and that
they understand that you know that it doesn't mean you can't sell your house it means that the designation sticks to your house for a year if you make modifications that you receive benefits and incentives then that historic designation stays for the life of the house you have to acknowledge that what's happening when we give this approval that and you you're not in a position to acknowledge that assigned authorized and notorized asan agent is not suitable I mean I have documents for all three of those properties here that show that I'm well do you do you know in
fact he doesn't intended build a single family residence yes okay I know that for a fact okay and do you know in fact that he doesn't want to build two units with three units on some of those other locations I know that he has pretty much absolutely zero plans of building any he just wants to Hazard down but I know that it's here say he here say she but see you're giving us information right now but assuming that's accurate that it'd be great to hear from him cuz cuz Pastor gr is a historic district okay
and he wants to knock three of them down all right and like I said he's not building he's he's it it sounds like development okay and so that's fine he can do that but we'd like to get a little idea I don't understand how it sounds like development if a storm wipes away buildings for himself it is if they're just sitting there and has maybe I mean I don't I I cannot protest what if he's going to sell them keep the Lots build in 5 years who knows those are different I don't know but right now he wants the
buildings down that's why we he paid for the side Bond I mean that's isn't that in itself another state this and then maybe move on from this I'm going to assume that he saw the staff reports and in the staff report it said it needed evidence that we don't have right now okay per right you agree with me on that halfway cuz I mean I feel like that's the and I promis I'm not trying to be I'm trying to understand what is the point of him going through the
process of submitting the applications paying 20 $30,000 in sod bonds that's just sitting there for him to I understand the point of the sod Bond but like how is that not evident enough and I I also understand that you want to hear from him but isn't every single other example an action item of him saying yes I just want to De demolish these buildings and get them down and then he may maybe he'll be able to think maybe he wants to just be able to sell them and actually kind of Rec money but
that's all irrelevant because all we're talking about is demolition not the what if no we're talking about demolition with the condition of him satisfying the requirement of this testimony that he knows what he can't do if he knocks it down we don't have that and that I understand I I guess maybe we're we're probably talking circles and it's probably because of me um well no I'm just I'm just saying know I mean for example let me just say this okay if in fact he was aware that we needed this
information and he couldn't be here today I suppose he could apply he probably could have given an affidavit okay which is sworn testimony okay we don't have that either so the only thing I was trying to say is I'm a little uncomfortable because the number of the houses that this information we're going to have to get before the demol the best thing we could do today is make this a conditional approval approval you follow what I'm saying agreed yes agreed which that means that until he actually came
in if we did it that way and spoke to Brandon you couldn't do anything until that happened whether that was two days eight days 50 days okay so he he would still have the requirement of having to come here in person excuse me and speak to Brandon about that chair you follow what I'm saying yes okay and so if he were to just call Brandon right obviously not right now but I mean tomorrow and say get it down I don't know can he be identified over a phone I'm just saying there's there's some legal requirements wait can he be
identified over a you could I mean I'm just saying it's it's really that difficult just to show up and and do what was asked it depends if a person loses nine or 10 properties I mean I again that's that's he say she say I guess too and I understand the test okay I guess we can move on I'm just I guess what I'm asking is where do we go from here so do we have to wait an entire other a moment ago we we talked about doing a conditional approval okay which means
you'd have to come in and speak to Brandon my position which other people may disagree with me is because of the nature of the number of homes that's going on I would like to hear what he has to say okay because we could we could just say you know what it's it he still has to give the information and we're going to we're going to put a 30-day delay on it cuz we can sure right yes now that would be
kind of hard because we normally don't put 30-day delays unless there's a real reason to do that sure okay this approach is a real reason because we don't have the information from him he's got three houses they're significant to them are significantly old houses they're pretty unique and it' be nice if you had the owner and said if you thought about this if you thought about that if you thought about this okay that's the reason the 30day delay supposed to occur we don't have that opportunity chair I believe the the
registered agent's here he just walked in so okay well that makes simp thank you yes please sorry please Bill I'm David The Shield hi Dave how are you okay okay so so I don't know well first off listening so I know a little bit of what I need okay so I'm can we actually swear a man sure swearing in yes cuz he has to make testimony yes yeah Madam cler yes I will do you swear or affirm
that the testimony or factual representation that you're about to give to the board is truthful I do thank you okay hi thank you this makes it so much easier um and Brandon What specifically on each property do we need to get testimony about sure so I I just wanted to especially for the first two request um um just inform you about the preservation incentives I'm sure you're well aware um we do of course through
our local historic designation allow for structures to be improved more to more than 50% of their depreciated value um without having to elevate above the flood plane I'm sure you're aware of that incentive would that at all change your mind in choosing to demolish the structures it would not okay for all three structures um there are non-conformities for the structures at 1124 Avenue and 10310 Avenue they are
greater than the density that could be on the site today for a new development because these structures are in pass gril you are eligible to redevelop with the same number of units but you are currently limited to the same developed square footage are you aware of that and do you understand those Footprints correct yes okay for the structure at 804 passag gril way that is in the crd 8th Avenue new zoning District you are eligible for commercial development also for mixed use Redevelopment if you
choose to redevelop um however you would not be able to rebuild a single family home on the lad you would be eligible to um move a locally designated historic structure onto the site provided that it can meet the development standards for the lad but a new single family home cannot be built on that lot are you aware of that and okay with that meaning it would need to be something in the context of commercial correct and and mixed juice is allowed so you might have enough land area to be able to establish
a ground floor commercial or office residential correct but it could not be a standalone single family okay that's all I have okay thank you thank you that that was all we needed okay thank you and I apologize because if I realized some testimony would was needed I certainly would have been here so okay that and that's fine thank you sir much and thank you I do not mean to no that's all right I I run my mouth a lot so it's okay you get a bonus no um okay
so I guess the issue or the question we have right now which isn't much of one since we have to Grant the motion does anybody feel there's a reason that we should do a 30-day delay I don't see a reason and I agree with that okay anybody have a motion oh do each one in isolation yes there needs to be three motions yes of course so I'll make the first motion to approve C certificate appropriat for demolition of file number 25002 for the demolition of 112 4th Avenue uh three family residents second
Madam clerk roll call please member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair hackin Smith yes member Lowry yes motion carries and that should be with the you know we're not asking for a 30-day stay correct right okay all right I'll make the motion for uh certificate of appropriateness for demolition of number 253 10310 Avenue uh demolition of a
three family and one family residence on the subject property second I'm just Madame clerk um roll call but again on each one do we need to talk about the 30-day yeah we're waving the 30-day notice okay roll call please Madam clerk Vice chair Hawkins Smith yes member Hurley yes member young yes Lowry yes motion carries okay I'll make a motion for certificate
of appropriateness for demolition for number 2504 804 passag girl way and again is that without a 30-day delay without a 30-day delay I'll second that motion mam Kirk uh roll call please member Hurley yes member young yes Vice chair Hawkin Smith yes chair Lowry yes motion carries okay thank thank you folks um my heart rate's up Bill you should feel mine I'm just
kidding I'm used to that stuff right okay um so I guess we're now to number five discussion items is that correct you got one more you got item k k oh yeah I apologize I had a yes uh 4K which is certificate of appropriateness for the demolition uh of two 205 Gulfway case number 25006 before we get started is the applicant or owner for this one present okay just I just want to make sure um we'll call
you up in a moment we can get the PowerPoint pulled up she must be [Laughter] terrified this this is certificate of appropriateness for demolition of 205 Gulf Way case number 25006 applicant is Gil Gutierrez for Axel Johansson the applicant's requesting a certificate of appropriateness for demolition of the contributor two family structure I didn't want to say that that was incorrectly advertised in the agenda as a one family this is a two family
structure here's some photographs of the property you can see it on the left there when it was designated as a contributing resource to the passor grill historic over passor Grill historic district and on the right a photo of the outside of the structure um showing the storm damage there were some photos included in your packet uh that were taken through the window was a little bit blurry so and include those on the screen uh this is a contributing structure it is not locally designated
so any delay would be limited to 30 days to allow for the um incentives of being listed as a local historic resource to be discussed with the applicant and staff has responded to the criteria in your staff report um staff request additional testimony from the applicant pertaining to the extent of damage as I pointed out there were photos in included with the packet but they were taken from outside the windows and they were a little bit blurry this was one where the damage
assessment found the structure to be nons substantially damaged but again there were very few uh photos of the interior of the structure uh as with the other structures reviewed today the structure can only be rebuilt with the two dwelling units if it retains the developed square footage based on the adopted language for the um passag Grill overlay District they would be eligible to rebuild a single family structure on the property if if requested so if adequate testimony is provided by the applicant we request a
motion to approve case 25005 for demolition of The Residence at 205 Gulf Way Brandon I have a question um I have an intimate knowledge of this property I don't know it to be a two family it was a two-bedroom one and a half bath home with a carport and a laundry room I may be mistaken that was what our record showed of a two two bedroom one and a half bath home with a laundry room and a carport okay well in that case um I am not requesting
any testimony from the applicant on that item well is that accurate though that you want to come just step forward please so you can give us your name after the record my name is Jamal um I'm with the Demolition contractor okay so yeah I don't believe is a two it's too living um but we have a zoning verification letter so our client is aware of what they can and cannot do on the property and that was since she's offering testimony I apologize for interrupting but can we also have her sworn sure just say just for a moment do
you swear or affirm that the testimony or factual representation that you're about to give to the board is truthful yes thank you and give us your last name too guz okay okay so would you state that again now that you've been uh we have a zoning verification letter that was provided for my client um and it was uh explains everything that whether they can or can't do it that was provided did on December 3rd okay 2024 and and just so and Sean maybe you can answer this
it's not two separate buildings though is it one building and that's accurate from your point of view too right okay when we saw it that's what well no so I mean I couldn't really tell from the photos that's what I was looking to see if there was the survey shows one story single family residence again it it was part of the parcel that Walker had that was the whole group of properties were together but that one was split off a long time ago okay well so we just want to make
sure that we're standing corrected on that that it's a one unit so in that regard it's a single family residence there's no need to give any testimony so thank you okay you may have any questions or anything or you know of Brandon or anyone I guess the the thing we always talk about about is whether there's a reason to give a 30-day delay or not um anybody have any comments upon that I
don't see a reason to do that the amount of water that came through that area and what's interesting though is they say it wasn't substantially damaged which struck me as odd because I mean it is a a low house right there on the on the gulf and so how they got away I mean it's great that that didn't happen but makes me wonder what was on the inside um but that's fine okay anybody have a motion I'll make a motion go ahead Sean
certificate of appropri for demolition number 25006 of 205 Gulf Way uh contributing single family contributing residents located at 205 Gul way and waving the 30 days no second uh Madam clerk roll call please member young yes Vice chair hackin Smith yes member dasal yes member Hurley yes chair Lowry yes motion carries
okay moving along item five discussion items 5A design review for case number 24116 of The Residence at 202 roll can we miss that one get the PowerPoint pulled up please do see the applicant and owners present this is a design review case this is being being handled as a discussion item for board input it's case number 24116 for 202 passer go away
a Meer for Jay and Marsha Anderson they requesting construction of a new two Family Residence built to the house large standards of the passor grill overlay District so here is a site plan you can see the alleyway to the top of the screen and then pass girl way to the bottom of the screen uh this is the ground floor plan so it doesn't show the interconnect Ness of the first living level um this is a fairly scale appropriate Redevelopment of the lot
relative to what was originally two separate lots and were later connected uh connecting the two homes on the property um I did want to point out that this is a house large development um the access remains from the alleyway is is requested of applicants it's not currently required it will be required based on the proposed amendments to the overlay I also wanted to point out the size of the structures they are putting back structures with greater developed square footage however they do not have
the limitation of the request that we just recently reviewed their lot area is large enough to support a two Family Residence without that limitation uh du due to the size of the property so here you can see a rendering of the structure as proposed the uh structure to the southern side retains a lot of the feat features of that colonial revival style that was previously on the lot on the Northern side it has more of the
Craftsman features for that that guest wing of the building here's a view from pass Grill way looking at the front of the structure Stefon the following is supportive of the design criteria the structures do retain similar massing and scale to the structures that they replace uh the parking remains accessible from the alleyway which is definitely something that staff supports along with the board uh the primary three story structure retains the colonial revival features of the residence it replaces including the
use of multiple light Windows board and bat and shutters and overall form the lot is very well landscaped um staff is requesting a little bit of additional Landscaping in front of the guest wing of the residents but otherwise it does seem to meet the criteria in the code there were a few items that staff's review consultant found could help the structure better align with the design criteria there was some lap siding applied to the Craftsman residents um that on the guest Wing um that could be better aligned with the primary
residents um the modifications are we recommend modifications that can make the crawl space level the northern structure that guest Wing better integrated with the living level of the guest Wing such as a parallel staircase to the South use of wood railings opening of The Brick Landing are similar and I'll go back to the front view so you can see this um believe the applicant especially on the south side of the structure the main portion of the residents did a very good job at despite the structure being elevated um it's
it's at grade it's um you know visually integrated with the with the ground level the northern side especially because of that that um brick portion in front of the porch um it is it does draw your eyes down to that that ground level and that's something that our consultant could be could be maybe managed a little bit a little bit differently um to put more emphasis on the porch entry rather than the lower um crawl space
level and uh the stature of the guest Wing could be minimized through recession from the frontage or other kind of modification which again um just breaking up that Frontage could could improve as always the board could direct staff to review other elements of the design that would assist with ensuring the compatibility of new construction that's really what we're focused on with these design reviews the board may also request staff to return this item after modification have been made for a re-review or include the final design as an informational item in a future agenda
as we do for those that do not develop to the overlay that's all staff has um I'm happy to take questions if not the architect and owners are present I have some questions but it's probably better I probably the architect would be better to answer those I didn't know you're an architect Jay but that's good um no that's that's fine I'm just joking state your name for the record
please my name is Jay Anderson 202 pass away okay would would you go back to the was the ground floor that you showed a minute and I think I know the idea but I'm just trying to get a feel for can we pull the PowerPoint back up please yeah that one there so the middle part of the main house is just open air on that area right it's just like a Breezeway or a walk through a bre we call it a Breezeway okay that's what I thought that's why it's we have like kind of like two structures of that
location so these other two structures I guess would be on the east and west those are just fouryear areas or storage areas or things of that nature well on the west side it's garage and on the east side is a the entryway to the house yes where there'll be an elevator and the left of that is a storage slash you know Fitness room all that you know grade okay and then the next slide if you go to work because I mean I
think first off I think it looks great but just the the front entrance there the front entrance of the main house is almost identical to what the front entrance was of the old house right and that but that that enters into into that foyer yes okay and then is is the is the structure on the north is the grade higher there a little bit no I mean I'm trying I guess I'm trying to in
my it looks like their level I mean obviously the the the the walk over show me another one that shows Bridge St on can you show this yeah the the bridge of size or whatever right there between the two structures obviously on the on the nor nor one that's not built as high over grade as the southern one it's not yet the the Bridgeway is level you
follow what I'm saying so the Bridgeway actually within the bridge it walks up to the next level it does okay we kept this this the house to the north we kept at FEMA grade which is 11t to the bottom of the rafters because we wanted the house to remain low and then the porch itself is even a couple steps down from that right I remember we had a discussion about that but I couldn't figure that out because you've explained that but there's a there's a walk it steps up from one to the other
then that makes sense okay that's really all the questions I had and uh I know Brandon had some comments and or his people had some comments on the uh North house and the the stairway that leads to the porch uh we batted around their ideas or her ideas his ideas and and still like the way they entrance we've presented and we are I have a picture I don't know if it can be shown but we've added a lot of uh foliage or Landscaping
that will you know enhance the look of the front of the house uh it's not on the picture that's on the screen now but the picture I have here and I don't you just just put it up oh there it is yeah yeah um we will heavily landscape the whole house period And so that the the front of the Bungalow is not going to look I guess as bricky look as gotcha but it will have lap siding there'll be a a a brick on the stairway that'll be
hidden by a lot of rubbery but we've you know come up with this designer fairly happy with where we are with it let me ask you about the comment that that the staff made about lap siding which I which I guess is a different type of siding than the other house right well the the original Bungalow had lab siding on it where I guess my point being is it's it's kind of trying to emulate the fact of what you had before yes that's almost well I
know I'm just pointing that out I think maybe for staff to some reason too there's no reason to be consistently the same on both homes because it's trying to look as if it was a home that was joined together at a later time so like it was Mak sense I I know what I makes sense to me but well we you know when when we came before you for a demolition permit that was a a trying time in our lives right has been since but we also said that we want to bring back to you a
house right that duplicates as much history history feel passag gr vernacular feel a look of a house that would fit here the only problem is it's got to go up in the air yeah but we've we feel we've created that here yeah and I'm not seeing didn't I'm just saying that the point of you of you doing the lap side was intentionally distinguish it from the other home which is okay because it's more the original look right yes okay now the other part that I guess only because
we're trying to get this part here about whether it needs to be come back in front of us or something like that so that's why I'm trying to jump ahead of this when staff also mentioned is there an aerial shot there that you have the of the of the where we can see the yeah that cuz you the staff recommended I guess that the northern house be moved back towards the alley is that accurate well I think that's that's
one of the options um the other recommendation from our design consultant was potentially some of the other items that we went over um potentially even just at the landing of the staircase just having that open and be an open railing just to take some emphasis off the crawl space level of that structure as I understand it that was that was her focus with making those comments so um I think that could be an option you know recessing the building could work as well I am sure probably due to
internal connectivity there's a reason why they place the uh placed it where they did but there's a variety of options to to make that work but setback wise the current design meets all the setback requirements okay yes one of the on the Bungalow and you're talking about the rear of the Bungalow what we the reason it sits on the footprint is is that we feel and we had used this in the past as parking spaces back there just on shell they weren't it's not a garage it's just parallel parking to the back
of the house that gives us two more parking spaces back there in a on a shell yeah no it's good and it's also not just a garage structure it's more open I mean I appreciate that that's all good I'm just trying to where I'm trying to get there miss Anderson is is one of the requests at the end of staff was whether or not you know the well these are just suggestions right we can't require them to do things and I guess the idea is if as long as we've
talked it out is there a reason to have it come back in front of us again to re-evaluate it you know with changes and I'm I'm well that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to get where we're at okay and so so Brandon when you were talking about you know maybe having railing and then instead of block to take away all that blank look or block work that's probably something you don't want to do I'm guessing but you're going
to try to meredy that by putting a lot more Landscaping there to take away the look of that kind of blank wall am I I can yeah sure you this this shows the Landscaping yeah right takes away the blank look of the wall okay we didn't have that on the original one that you have before you but we' have since redone that based on some of the comments that you had that if you I don't know if I can show you put it on there before you can do it again put on the overhead could pull the overhead
thanks I'm is part of the problem the brick just on the stair itself or is it um kind of the whole Frontage on the landing of the stairs itself was what she recommended if that could just be open a bit to okay you follow what he's talking about just just right so it opens it more up to look at the porch I suppose I don't know we tried to you know we wanted the stairs to come straight out as they in the p b it got
into the easement and towards the sidewalk to where you couldn't create that many stairs and still have it come straight on right so just for out of curiosity if you were to remove the bridge would you be able to have sizewise like the north houses that sit on a lot where it could be independent at at one date in the future maybe and the south house and pool could be independent at one date in the future we Bren has heard this
question from us before we we actually you know what we do is we have a h doorway at the north end of that bridge that can be closed off that can separate the house if we have family that doesn't want to you know come in and play with us we'll close them off um but it's also going to be made of wood not not uh some cement um so that if if we tore that out to try to create a single family house
and move it there there would be some problems with replatting that it wouldn't fit it wouldn't fit under the guidelines now we'd have to go through some sort of lines that says right you could never divide the lot and keep both houses because the setbacks probably I assume I mean that's kind of what you're asking meet the setback but the distance between the two homes would that meet those setback requirements if the dividing line was right down the middle what it meet setbacks each individual house it might be possible to
to re plat but I think it would have to be a full replat it couldn't just be a lot split like the board sometimes sees so not not that we're worried about that you know it's very pretty J and I being familiar with your past homes I can't imagine how you could get get it more closely resembling what it was in fact I think I like this better that looks good well we you know
it was a you know very conscious decision when we met here again like I said before that I want to put back something that you know Pastor gr we proud of and and that it will retain an historic flavor and look uh as what we had the not this not the sad part because going up for us is probably going to make us feel a little bit better in future years because we won't have to worry about what happened this time but the look is important to
maintain and that's what we've tried to do here okay all right so does anybody on the board here feel that this should be brought back to us could be re-evaluated at a later time okay all right well this is all just for discussion purposes and information uh I don't think anyone's making that request or is that fair where there's no request that has to be redone and re resubmitted anything like that as far as we're concerned okay all right that's just again for information thank you very much appreciate it thank
you thank you okay so discussion items we' some that we added that we've already talked about uh I guess five b would be we were talking about I mentioned the design guide book book and you want to say something about that too Brandon or I had a few items to address relative
to the overlay but we can talk about the design guide book did you have a question or well no I just wanted to make I know you're aware and I'm sure terara is as well but I want to make people on the board aware if they're not you know we have that April 2015 Pastor gril historic site survey that has good information obviously on what we're doing around here and examples of home and there's also this I don't know where I got it but it something this pass girl pattern book does everybody got
copies of that too and and all right so I just want to make sure that everyone maybe gets familiar with that before we start talking about stuff because I would imagine the Lion Share of the work is kind of already done in these two books it's just a matter of coating it and getting a little more specific is that fair to say that's fair to say okay so with that being said about that can you give us some idea of what you might think be a time frame on this thing uh or when we maybe should start talking about it again I know you've
been very busy with lots of other things that are take priorities but um you have any kind of feel for that well it it won't be in March um it's it's probably about a two-month process I would think that we would probably bring the overlay amendments back to you next month just to make sure that we're finalized on that before we take the Amendments forward we do want to have the guide book at least a draft of it so we'll probably bring that back to the historic
preservation board in April um and then from there we would move on to planning board so thank you that that helps and uh okay so then I guess next we have Mary Mary pier and the shuffle board court and the I just want to bring that everyone's attention you I was at that meeting yesterday uh that I thought was interesting to be shared that apparently because of the historic Natures of those
two locations FEMA is prioritizing their uh damage reports on those two locations so I know we had talked about maybe there might be um grants or something that might go into getting those being redone but it just makes me feel that not that if if FEMA prioritize that doesn't necessarily mean the city
is correct you follow what I'm saying we may get information earlier but that may not be one of the first things we want to fix up as opposed to you know seaw walls and right that kind of thing well I think there's opportunity especially with both of those structures being in our historic district and one being actually on our local historic registry prior to demolition um there are some funds available we we will be looking into grant opportunities with that the State of Florida administers this summer so we'll definitely bring that back to you in the next month or two it's um a
little more involved of a process than we've had for the surveys that we've been approved for for the last few years but um it's it's funds available just the same and they do in some cases cover reconstruction so that's something that we would be we looking into but but I think it's my understand yake too that both those are insured or just maybe the shuffle board court was I don't know I believe so yes right and then you mentioned is the
m is the Mary Pier not locally designated it's not locally designated it's part of the historic sites but it's not the building itself is not designated no all right and then other thing I was thinking about that and that we all should be maybe thinking about is if we are I mean I'm sure eventually they'll be able to rebuild those structures is um would staff try to prepare examples of whatever that we could look at
because we aren't strictly having to replace what was already there we could you know we can make New Old Stock you know what I'm saying we could actually for example the Mary Pier we could go back into older photographs even if there's some area that we wanted to make it look more like that than it's current state that that's fair to say is right yeah absolutely we want to be limited to the same design it would need to be scale appropriate but um you do have some flexibility with fre construction they're looking more at the the function of the site instead of the
the building itself so and of course that building's been modified so significantly over the time yeah I know originally it was two stories probably wouldn't get a two story one but uh okay well so I guess I'm just saying that from discussion purposes that the board should kind of think about that but what we might want to do there cuz I think we're going to have a lot of you know input to that all right anything else that we need to discuss anything else you want to add Brandon
sure I just wanted to cover the workshop feedback or or lack thereof from last week I think the one item that we are going to amend into the draft is that uh the default will be that all um driveways need need to be off in Alleyway um regardless of the width of the alleyway as long as there's an actual platted public Alleyway um behind the property there would be an option for a design review waiver for any alley less than 15 ft in width is what I
understood is that the consensus of the board I believe so yeah I think that was a better way than just putting a number like one 10 or 15 yeah I think that's great and then so just so I don't confuse to the design review would that require a variant scenario or not or you not really in that category so I would I think the way it would be drafted As I understood it would be that if if the alleyway were 15 ft in width or greater
it would need a variance but under 15 ft it would be expected that access be from the alleyway but they would be able to request a waiver through the design review so that would almost be like a historic preservation board level variance okay so so under that scenario in the design review can we say we could say yes or no and that correct all right actually I had one other question if we could pull the PowerPoint back up based on the design So currently what's
drafted in the code require what what is drafted in the Amendments requires all accessory structures including pools be placed behind the residence obviously the lot that you looked at today is unique it's multiple platted Lots so the layout um is not something you see on most other Parcels in passor Grill but this is obviously what would be considered in the uh secondary front yard a pool um is the you know just so
we can move forward with amendments that are you know the Bose tie next month um is this something that the board would be open to for for unusual Lots like this where it might make more sense to put the home toward the front of the lot along portion of the the frontage and then have an accessory structure off to the side I think we need to kind of reconsider that no pools in the front yards thing if we're making that mandatory alley access for parking
um to kind of consider other options for pool placement I mean in this case it's not technically in the front yard their address is Pas away and this is on the the side road but um and behind the front setb too so it's not really in the front yard except it's a secondary front yard on the corner I I think we probably need to think about that pool placement you know what's the what's the
lesser of two evils a pool in the front yard or an alley or a car park in the front yard um well I was I was going to say I think I wonder if it'd be simple enough to remove the definition of pool from accessories okay because I I think obviously we're normally talking about I suppose sheds and you know things of that nature natur that are more structures than a pool that you can't see unless you walk up and fall in it anyway you know so
uh I think I think that's why I asked you about that whether the pool is an accessory because I think is am I right in saying that that accessories include all sorts of other smaller three-dimensional structures and stuff it does sheds and gazebos and other structures like that but we can carve out an exception for pools if that's the consensus of the bo it's not a matter of I guess I don't being the designer it's not a matter of I mean if if if we get the the the alley situation where we where I think
we want it it doesn't prevent somebody from having a pool in their backyard but it it limits it perhaps okay and some of the tinier lotes yes well again as I said used to be that was the Gulf of Mexico was your pool you know you didn't need a a little tiny waiting thing but anyway or or the side of the house if they've got the room to do it or maybe even the front if it's obviously not spanning the entire front cuz I know a few have already been done M uh and you
know we have that one when we approved that they haven't built it yet where there's two lots and one lot's empty and they're going to kind of build a pool with a pool house behind it which in my opinion all that kind of stuff if it's you know kind of Tastefully done that adds the uniqueness of and character of Passa Grill really you know so you know I don't know if you all agree with what what we was talking about about maybe removing the pool from the definition of accessory as far as under the pass
overlay do you want to talk about that or anybody feelings about that I think I don't have a problem with it being removed yeah do that makes sense to do it that way or just it does we still have the build two lines and of course the properties that are going to be most affected by that are going to be those with Alleyway access because they're not on the beach or on the water and they don't have that option to exceed that maximum front setback but it would allow for at least a pool like you said to the side they could potentially have a frontage and then have a pool you know
within the jog of the building there so that we would give more options than the current draft I mean you know just I just think as a matter of a little bit of philosophy is that I mean we always talk about well I do a lot about scale being important on passag grill right which it is cuz that you know it's a little small place with small Cottages that were built you know many many years ago a lot of them and so today's modern thought of having to have a pool in your yard maybe that's just not the right the scale it throws
the scale off of everything if that's becomes everyone's requirement and even though it may not be what people want that may be the price you have to pay if you want to live in a little area I don't know my opinion okay anything else no I just want to make sure were those the two items that the board wanted address based on the workshop and a reminder that the merry month of May is historic preservation month so is there any possibility that we would have plaques to distribute yeah I you know I do I do
think that we're going to have to start jumping on that pretty you know fairly quick because I would have I from the the input we've had from a lot of people that want to get historically designated I think a few quite a few of them that said they'd like to have a plaque and I think it benefits the whole area to do that anyway so I don't know where we were on the you know the revitalization of the plaque program well I think we have a we have a source for the plaques um I think it's just really about the funding if I remember
right when was Let's uh we'll try to have an update for you next month and then is it appropriate at any time for the board to host a social and invite those owners of historically designated homes to something like the library which is historically just for you know cake and lemonade or something I just think it would be nice for us to do something for the community as a board well maybe
something during preservation month would be a a public [Music] Outreach um I defer to Council on that but I don't see where private citizens who volunteers can't do something private for other citizens you know unless I don't you know want to be slipping in the icing and suing the city you know but uh yeah I can look into ways to legally accomplish that goal
um I'm not going to go anyway but I'm just kidding yeah they'll get after all five of us for being in the same place just by coincidence anyway right no so yeah we can't won't be able to talk about anything if we're all together I'll bring the lemonade just okay well yeah if you could find that out that would be great I mean we do have to be cognizant of the Sunshine Law yeah exactly so that's yeah I I'll look into ways um maybe we could approach that and I'll have that at the next meeting um if you'd like thank you
that be nice well it would it would seem that as as part of our duties as a board is is public Outreach and that would satisfy a requirement of of that if we had something that is public Outreach yeah inviting inviting um you know those homes that have plaques and and the public anybody that's interested people that we invited
it would have it would probably need notice to the public oh yeah for sure if we had if we had those plaques available the new ones we could give them out and at that Gathering well I think if if we're talking about giving them out I mean if we're meeting about this next month that's March I don't know if we would have them by May no but maybe that would be an opportunity to say to the people that came this is what it will potentially look like that you can have on your home and thank you for you know
getting your home historically designated and maybe get I know if we want to open up a can of worms for feedback but there's always that that would be fun that would be fun okay anything else I I would noticed by the way that the beach theater is getting some work done on it i' like to see when they get that finished that'll be neat okay did you want to say about the uh library or no the the museum no what I
mean the museum excuse me nothing new there still in a holding pattern all right well if that's all adjourn for