so roll call please sus May Madam clerk mayor Rich here vice mayor Collins here commissioner Clark here commissioner goob here and commissioner Reed here and we are fortunate this evening to have for our invocation is Pastor James Hart
from the Seward Alliance Church and will you please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance afterwards sir thank you for the privilege let's pray father thank you for this day thank you for the rain uh Lord we need it and uh may be a little bit of an
inconvenience but uh Lord we thank you for uh your generosity uh Lord thank you for this evening and thank you for being here at this meeting tonight Lord we uh we we call this an invocation it's not to call you here you're already here
it's just to recognize your presence Lord so I would just pray for your presence to be manifest that you would guide and direct this meeting uh we ask for the peace of God that passes our understanding to guard our hearts and Minds tonight and that God you would just be uh very real very present Lord
thank you for each one of these elected leaders that we have uh Lord that you have put in place the Bible says that you place those in authority over us and that we are to pray for them uh we're to uh encourage them we're to lift them up I pray for your protection I pray God for your wisdom that your word tells us
that you will give liberally and without reproach to those who ask in faith and so Lord we just recognize all these things tonight and again Lord just thank you for the privilege that I have tonight to be able to pray uh with this this group and for our city God and we
give you praise in Jesus name amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible libery jice
all right into comments by City commissioners commissioner Reed do you have any comments this evening sure I was I was going to ask the city manager if uh the acting city manager well I guess the acting city manager might know
uh Chief tuminelli do you know when the Hamiltons are going to come up as a specific agenda item then I heard in within the next two meetings I believe this if I could defer to the City attorney so that should be a
specific agenda item um um I would like to talk about twoo Thursday I went to East Stewart and I I spoke with some of the residents in the community um I also attended uh a meeting yesterday at the church in East
Stewart um just to hear from the residents and clear up anything regarding the zoning in progress and the Land Development code specifically to East Stewart I did wanted to read an email that I received from Darcy into the record as well from my fellow board
members so you know the consensus is and what it is from the community um she says I hope you are able to encourage your fellow Commissioners to allow more time for the community to discuss how it wants to go forward with the zoning issues involving
E Stewart I heard from one commissioner that zip matters need to be resolved by March and it's obvious from what I heard tonight that more than that will be needed there doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to cut off discussion before the community residents have had
time to digest the information and come to a consensus so I hope your voice asking for delay in this matter is heard kind regards Darcy so my consensus to the board would be if we're going to discuss East
Stewart Land Development code particularly to not take any commission action tonight but have the discussion and the rooms obviously stacked for East Stewart residents currently so if we could pull that Land Development code
discussion to the front because I would imagine that's where most of our comment is going to come from tonight so that would be my statement and my comments as a board member tonight thank you so when so when we get to the approve the
approval of the agenda we can thank you change the order okay thank you commissioner Reed commissioner goob no I have no stat commissioner Clark yes I don't know if Miss uh gandis saus is here from the
CRA but I've seen the signs that we voted on some time ago they've been implemented now and there's a welcome to Historic downtown and the cre district and other areas I don't know if when we did that if we had put one for uh east
Europe but there should be something out on East Ocean Boulevard but I think all of the areas in the CRA um have that um sign around and I think that that along with the birds and so on that that is um helping to make
that area of our city um very vibrant so I want to thank um the CRA uh for that um we all are here to do business for the city and it's always good to know
that it's not just us up here but our citizens who are concerned and our citizens who want to make sure that what is in their best interest is uh something that's considered deeply by our commissioners so I'm just glad to
see people who are out with regard to this item which I think is listed as item number three and um a portion of that is east Europe but ever since this whole um zip idea came up I've asked to
either not have it or at least um uh pull back on some things because we just went through a lot with the regional planning Council uh working on the um the form based code for the creek
district and the East Stuart area and people participated then and I know that people have participated during this past three month and then the three month again but it's always good to know that it never stops people are still wanting to participate and to be
involved um so that's a good thing uh I I don't have anything else and when it comes to the specific items um I'll say that I just want to say that there's one thing that's on the actually it's a commission it's not consent so that's
good cuz I wanted to to bring that up about uh a new appointee to the um crb but we'll have a chance to talk about that thank you Mr vice mayor along commissioner Reed's points I I actually tend to agree
with you know that there's two separate parts and we'll get into more depth when we're in this commission action item but restoring the residential zoning to East Stewart versus the 2004 changes that the
city made in conjunction with Treasure Coast Regional planning it took a historically residential neighborhood with some commercial activity and Zoning on uh East up to ml and remapped almost the entire
neighborhood to commercial tonight just for clarification um for public comment when that comes tonight the only thing that was really being discussed um you know we've been talking in the zoning in progress over the last
six months about decreasing the amount of additional units we give developers when they go into conditional use that's also being applied to East Stewart but specifically to East Stewart the changes that we were looking at at um revolved
around any of the more intensive uses that are coming into East Stewart um one example would be the gutter company if there's going to be commercial use that comes into this residential neighborhood that that application would
happen through um it's an it's an approve it's an approved use but it's really a conditional use which would mean it would trigger a public meeting where the community would be able ble to be aware of it so that you don't end up having this kind of a thing happen
without any awareness there's no right now since 2004 when we changed E Stewart to a commercial neighborhood without many of the people in that neighborhood realizing that today or tomorrow
somebody could come in and put in an application for a parel halfway down east and build another gutter company or some other commercial use today as our zoning sits and this is the truth and this is not something
that's been said a lot there's been a lot of different U ways that what we've been doing has been articulated but today if you live in that neighborhood you could have somebody by right meaning without your
permission with no blue signs going up to let you know that that was going to happen you could have commercial on Tarpon Bahama and I look forward to um without getting too deep into this because this has to do with what's called a map
Amendment what we need to do not tonight but in a very near future meeting is in my opinion go to 10th Street not just with one of us but with all of us and you're shaking your head but I don't want to get too feisty but I'm
totally agreed the type of meeting that was had over there was blocked out your other four Commissioners because it would violate Sunshine let's let's not each other up here okay yeah exactly mayor so we all five need to be there the
community needs to be there and we need to have up on the screen what E Stewart was before 1998 where it was a residential neighbor hood and then what the changes were in 2004 that made it commercial and we all need to discuss
what the emphasis being on the people that live in that neighborhood what that neighborhood's going to be going forward because right now as of today like I said somebody could come in and for 3ars of that neighborhood it's zoned some kind of
[Music] commercial so tonight what we have proposed is to require a developer or somebody who was going to buy one of those
Parcels to put in an application for conditional use so that there is a public meeting and the community can be involved in that process for clarification because I don't think that that's been said and that was the reason for what we've been doing because of the
gutter company specifically that's been an issue and until now it was people were not even aware that that was zoned commercial when when we say well that's what it was Zed people are like what what do you mean how how is that zone that's what it was zon since 04 so the only way to fix that
is to restore the zoning back to residential we'll get into more detail as as we're hashing through this but just as a general comment you know I'm I am personally Beyond I I actually brought up we need to have a public meeting at 10th Street with all of us and I think you'd be surprised that the
response you get from people who actually live in that neighborhood they may not want it to be commercial you know but we do we need to go parcel by parcel Street by Street and talk about what it has been in the past and what we want it to be going forward so with that those are my
comments it yes sir thank you Mr vice mayor um so the number 63 played a role in my life this weekend on Friday I attended the opening of the North Martin County
Little League and there were 63 teams that were introduced just to bring the kids in from the ju Ballfield and prayed into the next took well over an hour but to see that many families and that many
young children it's really amazing how the character of this community has changed and and uh my wife and I and our children have lived here for 45 years now and it didn't used to be that way
and um it was it it's just terrific to see that and you know we need to understand that as we make decisions that we are be I think we're becoming a younger community and certainly we have a lot of children um that we have the joy of
being able to take care of and educate so I I was very very happy to be that uh to be there the number 63 came into play on Wednesday when I I did have that come talk with the
mayor and is Miss Wy here is Miss W I don't see Miss Wy in the room okay I think I I'm pretty sure you're going to hold this over me for the rest of my life because about five minutes before the meeting started I said' I think we need to take two of these tables away because not that many
people are going to show up' most I I've gone to many many meetings not just as a commissioner or LPA but uh in in me many capacities during my time here and most meetings are about between five and 10
people so I was I was I just handed that flyer out I was a guest at Pastor James church on Sunday I handed that flyer out to a few people and I was thrilled to see
that the community turned out to that degree um the only regret I have is that some people have car characterized it as I lost and whenever an elected official
puts him gives himself the opportunity to stand in front of the people over whom he has the decision-making power and they let him have it that's not a loss that's our job and we and um
clearly this community cares about the decisions that we will make and that can have an impact and whenever a government body is going to take away people's
rights then the best idea is to go as slowly as you possibly can and I'm glad to hear that that may well be the case and that's really all I was asking for I was there to inform and then say you need to tell us how you want us to go forward at this
point so that's those are my remarks so can I get a motion for the approval of the agenda city manager commissioner clerk city manager comments oh I'm sorry oh yeah I don't want to miss that
comments by the acting city manager I appreciate it and it's only for a couple of days but I do appreciate it um thank you so my first tenure really as a city manager I had to deal with a sewer break uh Paul took care of it really quick um just to inform the
public and you um it was handled it was on stman behind the sewer plant it didn't affect any um service so it was handled very well by the utilities department in addition to that um the sewer Police Department dispatch
received a Florida accreditation for their um accreditation of a Dispatch Center it's the only accredited Dispatch Center on the Treasure Coast just FYI pretty pretty uh good accomplishment for the police department and I had nothing
to do with that it was my entire staff who went through the entire process so that's all I have thank you thank you acting city manager yes sir can I get a motion now for the approval of the agenda Mo approval of the agenda is published knowing that um staff will
provide to us the breakdown for how we will discuss item number three which would take out the chapters regarding um uh the the the form based code I think that's in chapter three that's
chapter three it is section chapter three it is section three commissioner are you recommending that we move that section up within the zip discussion discuss first okay and and part your motion so just take the okay you're saying thank you thank you commissioner just to be clear we have sections two
sections three five six and eight yes so we would hear three first three and then two five without objection yes commissioner Reed is that okay well when you say section three were we discussing anything in section three besides section
3.02 that's I think to make life easy for everything in chapter three everything in chapter three but being first in the chapter three section three is primarily the overlay yeah yeah it's not B he's correct it's the three is actually the special zoning code so it's
there's okay okay are we clear I think staff read is that okay yeah that's fine okay okay so I have a did we get a second if not I'll second I don't believe we've had a motion have we I had a motion and and I thought that
have to call I thought that the vice mayor seconded it did you mayor second just now but hold on ini youa made the motion commissioner Clark made the motion commissioner's goob job's motion oh you made a motion
was it your motion or commissioner Clark I made a motion okay then I'll second that motion yes okay is there any public comment with regard to the the order in which we will hear conduct the meeting this evening see seeing none um all in
favor I hi thank you okay so comments from the public on non-agenda items so if you are here to speak with regard to the proposed changes in the Stuart I would ask you to hold on just
be patient we'll get there but any other it I wish you wish to speak sus have Robert Hamilton [Music] first Robert Robert Hamilton good evening Mr Hamilton
evening good evening my name is Robert Hamilton the 1895 Church of Stewart my name is Robert Hamilton the 1895 Church of Stewart is that better abut thank you all I'd like to start off this evening
some of you have done a lot of work for us all the people in this room but some of you we know what it's like when you're disrespectful to us to Mrs Hamilton to myself and I want to urge you it only takes 3,000 to unseat you
you need to learn respect for the others that are sitting there I appreciate the respect you have shown my wife I appreciate the respect some of you who's an attorney who knows my career in this town it's unblemished
unimpeached now we're going to talk about the church for a minute the lies that were told about me and my wife are well documented there's a documentary coming out produced by my wife and myself all the documents
all the lies I want to thank the governor's office I appreciate your help I appreciate the state historical people which is not a program it's part of the State of Florida the lies have been so
immense about our character the stuff that's gone on behind our back I couldn't get the documents in the city but the government the real government turned them over that's a problem like I've said in the past this is a
corporation you would terminate these people you have a city manager that needs to be terminated for what he did to me and to my wife I don't take it lightly a snafu of this magnitude cannot
go unchecked or unbalanced the people behind me in this room they're the constituents they're also victims in their own way on their own fights but it's cost in everybody money I urge everybody in this room tonight the
governor spoke today I urge you to watch what the governor said there's going to be a lot of changes coming in Florida we need to resolve these issues I don't ever again want anybody in here disrespecting my wife or myself I don't
have a problem having an argument with you or you or you or you cuz you've all been respectful but when a city manager did the things that he did to my wife and to myself and for what what was it done for what was the gain to slander
our name tell me I threaten City officials I never threatened a city official not one time and if I did I'd go with the chief right now I volunteer to go never threatened anybody he didn't like what was put on Facebook well
that's his problem he's a public official when you take that job you work for us if we don't like what you do you're gone and I know one of you is not going to get a seat back there's a lot of people really mad at you right now you hurt people you hurt me you hurt my family
you hurt people behind me thank you for your time remove the manager audre Cree hi I'm audre Cree um fourth generation Martin County Seventh Generation Floridian uh I my parents grew up well my dad grew up in Hope
Sound um I was not going to speak today but Mr Smith who is a family friend um asked me to I was here just to observe uh it's actually my birthday today so I was here to thank you I was actually here to observe because I felt it was
important um because I have some background with the city of Stewart and this area in Martin County and um there are some important things that are coming up for second reading obviously as to E Stewart and I applaud everybody
for taking a minute as I think was noted in the comments from Commissioners to take a step back on this this is a significant change even if it is maybe a change that might be warranted or not I'm not going to State a position because it's not my area it's not my
part of town one of the first stories ever heard about East Stewart was my father talking about how he came home from school with a bunch of East Stewart residents and he came over to spend time with them he was you know Elementary School and one of the matriarchs of East
Stewart sitting on the porch asked what's your name boy he's like ma'am I'm I'm Rick Cree Ricky Cree she's like your mama Dell my grandmother's named Dell yes ma'am
you're in my neighborhood you behave otherwise I'll call your grandmother that is E Stewart that is their town so you you walk up in East Stewart you are you are in East Stewart this this is theirs so I would suggest
to you that before we go changing everything even though yes it might need to be changed we get them involved a lot more um well again I wasn't going to speak because this is not my area it's theirs it just is it's always it always
has been but um it has had its areas of commercial because they could not cross the tracks after certain times at night it was segregated they had to be self-sufficient um my family was here prior to
desegregation my family was here after desegregation we saw the whole thing unfortunately it was a knockout drag out at times um as much as we hate to remember those days it it happened um so
to say there's no commercial in E Stewart is not correct or there it shouldn't be correct but to say that it should be all commercial again not correct so I would suggest as has been stated and I applaud you for rethinking this that you go back to the actual
people involved and you show them not only the 2004 changes not only what was there before prior to 1968 prior to desegregation but also the permitted use
tables for East Stewart as proposed and the East District permitted use table do not forget the permitted use table sorry thank you thank you thank you and happy birthday Jimmy
Smith Jimmy Smith Mr Smith you're you're not going to remark on the East Stewart I know I just want to just say I want to say thank you okay first of all I want to just say uh just talk about a little history first one we give you thank you for you all seeing
some Visions together agreeing to some things together uh it's very important first of all I just want to say all these families uh I just want to talk about e still but not that project okay I just want you to know that history is so important without history we wouldn't
know which way to go forward my my parents always say son if you forget where you started from you'll forget where you're going and so the history of steuart the city Stewart are really made up by this community uh if you look back
years ago as she speak of 68 back in those days it s of stood the garbage department the roads all that a lot of our forefathers had worked there and they were picking garbage up picking up garbage when they didn't have trucks to
pick it up with they they now have their stuff to do it a different way and our parents have worked hard to make the city become what it is and I remember as a little boy that town shop I'm quite sure some of them west of AO only place
that we had to operate to buy School uh school closing stuff uh we want to want the city to know that we are a part of this city and these families are only coming because they want to be respected
as a part of the city and you are you Commissioners you have really showed us tonight that y'all can work together and I am want to commend you on that uh I'm glad to see that we can put aside our differeny and F the Gap that others have
been missing out in this Gap and today we can go forward and try to work together to help this communi all other CI to it become one because without us or without you we not one and that's why
I was going to say today Les's uh we can utilize the third Thursday of this month I have a reservation you don't have to do any work we can utilize third Thursday of this month at the Civ Center and we utilize it as our start and be
more involved in East Stewart as well as anywhere else come outside the box come outside the box all of you together and let's have meetings in those certain area not only East St but other areas and you find out that when you reach in other people territory
they'll feel like they are part of the team of the city Stewart so I want to thank you for that and commen you continue to work together work for the people and the people will work for you all right thank you very [Applause]
much Albert Brinkley you want to wait Albert Brinkley I might say this wrong I saw Mr Brinkley earlier he said he'd like to pass he's going to wait for the zip item oh okay
wa evet who was that Madam oh okay could you introduce yourself and your address please yes hello my name is uh Dr event WTO and I live at 100 Southwest Atlanta Avenue Stuart Florida have lived there
since 2001 and um I'm here to just speak of the flooding that we're having down on Southwest Anchorage way which is the property which is the road right next to us we own the whole Corner we're in a
mixed Community residential commercial we have residential apartments and one commercial down Anchorage way um we spoke last last year asking um requesting for surface drains and for the sewers to be looked at because of the severe flooding that we've
experienced over the past 12 years since the uh Marina was built and Gilberts was put in the first picture that you see is the way it used to be it this was West First Street and I'm sure many people remember from the old Community West
First Street was the street the kids used to ride down and jump off the end of the City Pier after after school it was it was very it it was a very nice uh area and um the drainage from the from the water from the rain and and the
streets and everything would the surface water would come off and just go down into the river when they put Gilberts up they built on the second picture you'll see they put a 10-in curb
across the um at the End of the Street thereby blocking the water off stating that the sewer that's uh that's um highlighted in yellow would take care of the problem well it doesn't last year we found out that there is a plan with captech to put a backflow meter into
that sewer they can't clean it they can't get a truck to it there's no back flow valve um and we haven't been able to get anybody to to take this on and tell us where do we go next um in addition to that what has H and it's a public art area now it's still public
part of the street people use it it to sit the third picture shows they just redid the boardwalk and you can see where the outchart where the outlet which is normally half under on on high tide is completely blocked so now it's completely blocked and we talked to them
when they were redoing this in October and nobody would talk to us about it we're like where is the discharge for the street consequently we have um flooding on Atlanta Avenue as well in front of casabella the fourth picture is just a picture of our 1920 rentals that
are down at the end of the the street where the foundations are being washed out of because of the water that's coming through to the point where I actually had to put exhaust valves in my seaw wall the third P the fifth picture is a picture of a new development I think it's sailfish that's right on the
walkway and that was what our vent used to look like when they first put it in and there's no discharge now on the street no back full meter was ever put in and um there's no um accommodation for the surface water to come over so
and then the third P the last picture is just a small picture in front of City Hall of a small surface drain that they put to take the the uh the pressure off of the Deluge of the water so that's what we asked for we asked for the backflow meter we asked for discharge and we asked for a surface drain cut on
the curb to go out with so and there won't be any garbage or anything going down there because there's a great so if we could just have one person that we could have a contact with so we could address this cuz we've lost three cars at the end of the street because of the flooding there's been three cars lost
Sam's uh car at what do you mean lost flooded completely flooded that's how bad it gets though they actually flood he lost his Mercedes my two renters lost two cars thank you very much if so your your concerns are are noted and then concerns are noted we'll have our acting
city manager here to Milton talk to Milton and our I do I do have a note down and I will um Point your did Sam lose his van as well he Lo no he lost his Mercedes years ago from it yeah I will uh inform Mr mortell
and speak with Milton about that as well okay no Milton we've got nowhere with so just so has her address we have her contact I promise you we will attend to this thank you very much we appreciate you very much sorry to go over no thank you for coming Madam Clerk
Margaret bramfield good evening Margaret bramfield 1201 Southeast Cal Lane I have um we are living in unprecedented times and I have something to share that I want our leaders and our community to
just Ponder for a minute the late president of Uganda idia Amin wanted to change the name of Uganda to it everybody in the cabinet agreed because because they were afraid of him but there was one man malongo who said id
Amin your Excellency do you know a country called Cyprus idam me said to him what does Cyprus have to do with changing Uganda to IDI mongu replied citizens of Cyprus are called
cypriots if we change the name of Uganda to IDI the ugandans will be called idiots and the world will call us idiots which we are not idaman looked at him and said you and I are the most intelligent men in this cabinet here are
the moral lessons the power of courage to speak truth remember malongo was the only person who stood up and spoke number two wisdom over fair f a While others of the cabinet agreed out of fair
this man spoke up now number three The Voice one voice can make a difference number four dictator dictatorship thrives on silence I will say that again
dictatorship thrives on silence evil prevails when good people ref refuse to act number five leaders need honest advisors even when it's hard to hear if uh um a leader surrounded by
fearful followers will make poor decision good leaders require advisors who are willing to speak the truth no matter how uncomfortable and number six name and identity
matters name and identity matters thank you thank you Miss [Applause] Brownfield Betty Brinkley good good evening Miss
Brinkley good evening thank God for Jesus if one for Jesus we'll be better worse off than what we are and I thank God for watching over East to Lord I Thank you thank you God you're keeping us because for years years go back could
you just introduce yourself please with your address B your pardon just introduce yourself and your address please oh my bag bet Betty Brinkley 9:45 Southeast Nassau Avenue thank you I got excited over Jesus thank you
Jesus don't stop but anyway um we have issues with this biggest one with his zon but I'm talking about the little M now I'm talking about my K children elementary kids going to school in the morning crossing over 10th Street
and all this traffic and uh you have the big old thing with the big old trailers and cars coming through there kids standing at the uh crosswalk these cars are not stopping for the kids they ducking in front of cars and I say make that uh they make that a through Street
and you know do mtin Luther King anybody crossing over really that much over there to get over there there a bunch of kids uh crossing over that uh area instead of making us through cut it off set to have them go somewhere else there too many cars and the kids it's by the
gra of God they haven't got hit yet and I pray that they don't you know cuz they some of them coming through there real fast there and another thing um Talk About That C money why are we exempt from that I mean
allegedly somebody was rumor out that they gave something to a church I got to yet find out that that's true but I can't get none of that c to do my lawn to do go in my house fix my house up and that's what it should be over there
beautifying the homes The Lawns that the people got over that that thing you can give million of dollars to business downtown but we can't get none of that and I did ask one year about maybe five years ago she say you give you for my
lawn cuz my yard is a mess and I hate it it's a mess but I can't afford to water my water bill is so high and I don't use that and then you got sand they come up every house over they stood they didn't bring dirt they bring sand
over there and it's hard to water sand and stuff it don't soak in so I wanted to do my le I asked her about the money she think give me 200 200 I so what in the heck is $200 going to do out of
5,000 whatever but you got the money but we don't we we don't see it and um the lost my train of St but anyway we uh need to um do better about
East stood and whatever you put in [Music] eood some of y'all I thank God for some of you and then I for the one that they I pray for you you know what I'm saying cuz you need prayer you know what I'm saying it's sad see Jesus took care of
the PO people Jesus didn't uh down the PO people Jesus took care of he was for the pop the rich he didn't worri about the rich he didn't say that you couldn't have uh rich and stuff like that but he was for the poor people and look like y'all against us not all of
you but anyway um those a few things in that that t uh uh 10th Street to traffic is too much and that's the main thing and I see a money bring some over these stent thank you Miss Brinkley actually the issue of the children's safety uh
going to school and returning from school was brought up at the last meeting and it is I think it's on the agenda Mr bagot for the first meeting in March is that correct we're going to be talking about I don't recall I'm sure wasn't that you remember yeah so so that is on
the agenda and we're hoping that the parents who live in that area will be here to express their concerns because it is an issue and uh hopefully we can find a successful resolution the problem is we have a County Road there and a
city road so it's not that simple Mr mortell from his vacation just text me that we have a d and set for March 10th correct so we are aware of the issue went Mike Go Vacation stop watching this meeting
yes okay Madam clerk Alia stud meer good evening Miss Wy good evening um of course ala 1724 Southeast diameter [Music] um I stopped coming for a little
bit cuz it was a lot of rigore it's a lot of division and one thing that on my platform always you know we're stronger together we are stronger together and you all are leaders you are
leaders you are leaders you may not have the same vision you may not have the same idea but you're leaders and it's kind of disheartening a lot of times what I see if it ain't you going against the city I mean the county
the county going against you and how are you going to get the residents to be unified if you're not unified you don't have to agree but you got to show some type of unity because how the community is going
to be able to follow and trust you how we're stronger together you guys can become stronger together because if you're divided the community will stay divided so you have to become unified
you don't have to agree on everything but you do have a community that needs you to really put their knes before yours okay I love y'all thank
you Rosa stud meer good evening good evening my name is Rosa star I live in off of 918 Martin Luther King Junior Boulevard I've been here all my life I was born
and raised here and what I see as um a was saying and Betty was saying I want to speak on the traffic behind what Betty said I witnessed myself about the school
kids getting out of Mer um the school on JD Parker but it wasn't JD Parker it was the middle school and I watched them as they was coming home
it was about seven kids going from J um the Middle School to towards Palm Beach Road off of Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard so I went and stood on the corner to see were they going to be able
to cross no they were not it was cars coming rapidly towards the kid and I said this is not good so I almost took my own vehicle out there to stop so the
kids can get across the road it took about 30 minutes for those kids to cross over because they couldn't get over there so I went and I talked to the crossing guard at the middle school he
told me he says um it's been about three people already that said the same thing he said well my supervisor she's right down there by the school go and talk with her when I got there she was not
there so I went to the school I talked with the principal three other people that was with the principal I talked with them as well the principal gave me his information to call a number so by
that time the officer uh Martin Cony officer came up as we were talking he wanted to know what we were talking about so I told him he immediately gave me his card told me to call this number
and go to the police station and talk to shine which I call shine on the phone I could not get him I left a message shine never returned my
call so the thing that I'm saying I had kids I had grandkids but I love other people kids amen so my thing of it is I'm not going to stop until I
get this taken care of because this is what's going to happen I left this same message on the phone for shine and the school distri people I said you know if you don't take care of
this problem somebody going to get hurt most of all they going to be dead and I'm going to stand before you like I'm standing now and I'm going to tell the truth I'm not going to lie because it needs to be e just like they have off of
Palm Beach Road in 10th street they should have the same thing where those kids can punch push that button and get across that street or they should have a crossing guard so they can get by that's
all I'm saying it's not ask for too much to save these kids lives Mr Mayor mayor uh certainly Mr acting city manager mire can you tell me when you contacted Lieutenant shine how long ago that was
it's gone on about a month now okay I will take care of it you you'll have a phone call tomorrow okay thank you uh commissioner goobi yes thank you hi everyone I just want to let you know I've been on the other side of that Podium and it's very frustrating and many of you are here for the first time
or haven't been here very often and that's very frustrating because you look at us and I don't know about you but when I stood there I wanted some interaction I wanted some answers we really can't give those I'm told I'd love to be able to interact but what I am told that you can do is that you can email myself any one of us leave your
name with the clerk and she will let us know your name and your contact information and whatever your issue is we can get back to you and continue that conversation more than three minutes so I just want everyone to be aware of that and please take advantage of that thank
you next Madam clerk Jimmy Wilson Jimmy my name is Jimmy Wilson 801 topon this is how I wanted to come up here because I am embarrassed I am ashamed of a lot of things from a lot of
people I've been coaching in this community for 30 years 30 years I'm about the only one in this community that's worked with kids where has never been part of my job I've never
been at a job where I got work with Dilly with kids all this is 30 years of volunteer and the reason why I was going to come up here embarrassed because over those years I've seen those kids I've coached grow
up some of them went after school became teachers and got so many degrees and a lot of people ask me well Jimmy what organization do you belong to so since I don't belong to an organization some say I don't count so
I'm up here speaking for those who count guess who they is those kids grew up like I said went to school those kids got a high education just like anybody who got those jobs but when they came back here and all those
jobs open up in the community they weren't the one getting them and that's what I'm really mad about cuz that's what I grew up on all those jobs had people in the community I knew just like the lady came up and said by her grandfather don't make me call your
grandma those are the people who was over me those was in those position for some reason every time something get built in the city of East Stewart you giving these jobs to everybody but the people from that Community who did go to school and do have the degree may not be
me but believe me you ask me I can point them right to you and they was never given the opportunity they working under somebody and they're more qualified for so everything I did to get these people to where they at the city of
Stewart told them they ain't getting those jobs and that's why I came up here and bars what am I doing it for if y'all gonna do what y'all do sorry [Applause] Charles
Jones good evening Commissioners thank you for allowing me to speak I don't know how I follow that but I will state my truth could you just introduce yourself please um I'm Charles Jones my address is 1802
Southeast belto Street Port St Lucy so I grew up in East Stewart some of you may know East Stewart has a rich cultural history steuart training school my uncle Leroy Washington who was a captain of the police force sir you're you're
familiar with him Chief we have James Christie my cousin who Not only was a commissioner but a mayor of Stuart multiple times these were the people who I grew up with who were my influencers and where did they come from from right
across the tracks in East Stewart East Stewart is more than just oh it's impoverished it's more than oh it's the across the tracks it's the ghetto it's where people had to pull themselves up to make something out of themselves to
do something to be something to be examples for others to inspire others but when you see what has happened to what how I grew up where you watch the families tight-knit communities people that knew everyone I could look around
this room and I know a lot of people just as y'all know me and y'all know my family members Community is really what it's all about but one thing is the community also has to be involved in the direction of growth and where things are
headed it sure doesn't lead us a lot of confidence it sure doesn't make us feel like we are part of a community that we helped build when we don't have any say in it so I would I would ask Commissioners we all want just a simple
thing we want to be a part of the decisions just as you wouldn't want people coming into where you live and making decisions for you without your input how would you expect the same for us so that is all I ask that we want to work with you but we want to be involved
in a decision making thank you for my time thank you sir we have no more public comment mayor thank you um can I get a motion for approval of the consent calendar move we have a
motion by the vice mayor and the second I'll second that motion by commissioner giobi is there any com public comment on this item seeing none roll call please vice mayor Collins yes commissioner Reed yes
commissioner goob yes commissioner Clark yes mayor Rich yes I think that's the first time we've pass a consense calendar without making a change in quite a while um commission action Mr baggot will you read item two for our
consideration please absolutely resolution number 31225 a resolution of the city Commission of the city of Stewart Florida appointing community redevelopment board members Mark
breckbill and Frederick dreames to serve as board members of the community redevelopment Agency for the remaining current term from present until December 31st 2025 providing an effective date and for other
purposes Mr Mayor may make a motion unless there's any discussion well well we have a motion for approval do we have a second we have a second by the vice mayor the motion by Comm commer Clark is there any public comment on this [Music]
item um if there's no public comment I'd like to say a few words Mr commission cler I think um M uh commissioner goobi mentioned to the public about procedures on how to speak and I guess this time is
my time between the uh myself and maybe the city manager but I know that our uh CRA person here uh penal is here but I just wanted to say that the way things work we have a community redevelopment
board which is a crb and I just appointed a new person to that board and that person is Reverend Frederick James and then um Mark brewell has been on that uh committee and he remains on there and that
committee um appointed uh nominated two of their members to serve with us on the CRA and the CRA is all of the city commission plus these two members and I just wanted to say that they're going to be making decisions about how to deal
with those funds that uh come from um various sources especially the Tiff funds that go with the CRA and to use them in the community and they're going to be a very important Source I don't think Mr breckell is here but he's well known
but I don't know if anybody knows miss our Reverend Frederick James but he's an upand cominging politician SL minister Reverend James would just briefly introduce yourself to the community that you're going to be
helping to make decisions on can I speak to you or to the you speak to us in the speak to all of us is it Reverend or Pastor that's a good question he'll introduce himself I carry both titles as Christ carried three titles I carry
three titles I'm a pastor I'm also a reverend ordained reverend in the AM church and I Pastor the people at uh St Paul African Methodist Episcopal Church where I serve humbly um so let me thank you first of
all for this opportunity to serve can you hear me yes and um I will do what I can to help guide in the decision making process prayerfully
and I thank God for the opportunity to serve the people that uh attend St Paul they know that um um I will speak truth to power that I'm not afraid to say what's on my
mind um but I don't carry that to my bed with me I don't go to sleep angry I don't go to bed with malice in my heart and so whatever decisions that are made I thank God for you having a brain to
make a decision and as uh I've learned that uh we all have a right to an opinion I'll respect your right to an opinion as long as you respect mine thank you very much for the opportunity to serve thank you thank you thank you
thank you and with that also one of his first questions and I said soon as you get started and get he's been approved for one committee this another committee it's called what is a a sunshine board especially the CRA and I know that when
I served as mayor and vice mayor um Mr James Christie was we attended the same church we're on the same board never had a problem with outside discussion and items with the thing I know that he says I want to learn as much as I can so he's
going to have his time to talk with Mr baggot and I know that their committee has also been taught how to um respond to things but um it is just so good to know that he's here and he's ready and willing to serve and we have a motion in a second we do and I just I would like
to re you know emphasize what you said and to remind the Commissioners that since he is on the CRA the sunshine applies to him to all of us with regard to Pastor James and Miss Brinkley you
want some of that money [Laughter] because almost all decisions in the CRA first go through the crb so we do you that's the reason we
have these boards these multiple boards so the people have the opportunity and now you have someone who lives right in the community so go to him go talk to him but you're certainly welcome to speak with any of us uh so we do
um and thank you both for serving uh it takes a lot of work so roll call please yes do you have any comments I'm sorry vice mayor roll call please commissioner Reed yes vice mayor Collins yes mayor Rich yes
commissioner Clark yes and commissioner giobi yes yes good job okay Mr baggot will you read item three for our consideration please ordinance number 2539
d225 an ordinance of the city Commission of the city of Stewart Florida amending and restating the city City's Land Development code chapter 2 zoning districts uses allowed density intensity chapter three special zoning codes
chapter five resource protection related development standards and chapter six on-site and offsite development standards which were determined during the zoning in progress under Section 1.4.4 Stewart Land Development code
providing for conflict providing for codification providing for an effective date and for other purposes so before we move on this item uh if the board will indulge me because we had difficulty last session and it
went quite lengthy as we're all too well aware of um my suggestion would be with starting with section three and then 2 five six and 8 let's let's discuss discuss each
section and then vote on each section one at a time no no no that's not how we've been doing this if we want to parcel out um like we discussed section these particular parts of section three that's
fine but we should have it all voted on One Thing versus trying to piece meal it together with votes on I was just think it'd be easier to provide the public the opportunity to speak to specific sections ra because otherwise public comment will just
take it will occur just at the beginning and then we'll go through all the sections I I agree with you to your point about um public comment for each section like we did last time so after it was a little chaotic we move towards you know
public com if you have any questions on section three or comments two five six but this should be voted on as a package as it's been and then if we want to parcel out and say we're not going to vote for example hypothetically we're
not going to vote on you know the allowable uses chart in particular or you know like the map the map amendments on I understand what you're saying is there any input on that commission I think the only thing that we were pulling out was section
3.2.0 I think that's for E Stewart that was Zero commission action everything else was commissioner Joby is that okay if we yes vote at the end of the entire discussion on the package except for
well let's going um instead of saying that now let's go through this and then see exactly what it is that we want to partiel out let's discuss that when we get there instead of on the front end correct could we vote at that on that element at that time or would we have to
wait till the end that's just if we were looking to vote to table we could or are we tbling a section which was thought forgive me you're creating a little bit of chaos let's go through this when we get to the portion that applies to what we're talking about if we want if we would like to pull out a
particular section to not vote on that and table that particular item that's what yes that's what I suggestion but not now stop no no no no no right okay yeah okay so we need a motion in a second for what the entire thing no we're going through this line item by
line item what are you talking about but we can't discuss it unless we have a motion in a second to consider right no Jody's going to present and we are going to go through this like we did every single time before this oh you want to have staff go through the changes from last week corre
the we okay on those fine we'll have the staff presentation the context of this for those of you who this is the first meeting as a part of this ZIP is we've been doing this for six months going line by line so we've been trying to thoroughly go through this so you're going to have to
sit through the staff presentation here only for a few pages if you can hang in there we'll get then we will have then we will have a motion in a second and then right after that we will have public comment so okay we've arrived at a good decision
here uh good evening mayor and Commissioners my for of record my name is Jody couler I'm the development director um if we could just take a quick moment at the last meeting uh the board had requested staff to kind of start playing well around with the gis layers so we could look at the different
layers based off the zoning so you can see the parcel is only in R3 or if you're looking for Parcels for urban Waterfront so if we could just demonstrate that real quick um it's not totally rolled out but um I do have some of my staff here tonight I'm going to introduce Michelle arzal is my planner
one thank you and I also have Ezekiel Cruz this is the guru that sits behind the gis and uh doesn't say much but he's amazing drawing points and shapes um so they're going to go through just a quick run through and then we can start the
other portion but I just wanted to show you what staff is uh trying to create and if you have any suggestions or uh want any Rec uh change anything we can certainly uh work on that as well that today it didn't work over the weekend
all right so on the city internet we'll find the go app which is the development's internal web map so we have here is a bunch of layers and some of them make sense some of them don't for some of you but we'll turn off
the uh roads parcels and the city limits now for this demonstration we're going to and turn on the districts so this doesn't really give us much information this is a lot of data so we did is we have a
filter that we're able to break down a certain location in this case we're going to toggle it on on these Special Districts can you zoom into East Stewart I think that'd be relevant tonight with the crew that's here so we are going to
go to the selection for East Stewart you don't only have to select one you could select multiple but for this particular example and then we're going to select the zonings and let's say we want to look at bmu and
grro for that particular can you also do sfd sfd as well yes so that purple just for everybody in the audience at purple is business mixed use that's fine which imagine Abacoa or City Place Starbucks on the bottom
Apartments upstairs three story that's what it's allowed by z Mr vice mayor could we have the staff make the presentation you're allow to comment L absolutely when recognize thank you that's it please
continue so this layer just shows you that you can turn on one layer if you're only looking for zoning in multif family you can see all the partials within the multif family it will automatically turn on that color or you can do multiple layers so you don't have to look into the entire zoning map that gets very
confusing lots of colors and also we're also going to be looking at uh the vacant Parcels you'll have a vacant parcel um layer as well and also we're trying to do the number of parcels within that layer so if you want to know
in your bmu or your eart area and you wanted to send out mailers within 300 within that that District you can use this as one of your tools or you can just see how many how many you're going to need to reach out to so this isn't turned on yet but we are um in the
process of trying to um get it all working and and running and then this will be probably within the next month yes and the next month this will be turned on and this is a good tool for anybody out in the audience if you want to see like and then we're trying to do
a development layer too so you can see the active uh similar to what the um uh utilities have if you go to the utilities department you can see all their activity and where they're working and what's been approved same thing with uh development we're going to come
coincide together so you can see what projects are in in working order um or that's in the pipeline and everything that's great Jody thank you may do you have a question of staff at this point thank you I do yeah I I do I have a few
questions so she can help clarify would you mind zooming in there yeah on those different uses so Jody by way of question then I guess um that yellow that that's on there that
would be single family duplex is that correct uh that is correct right so that would be like single family homes and duplexes and then the green everywhere that it says green that that would be three story by right up to
four story with commission action General residential office that would include uses like um mixed use where you could hypo ically have like coffee shops on the bottom Burger Joint fancy Apartments upstairs for a
few stories is that would that characterize that mixed use yes sir like Abacoa or city place and then the purple would be something similar correct yes it'd be more uh on along your corridors that are travel would they have a little bit more higher intense travel dist
correct thank you for that clarification Jody I have commissioner Reed I was just going to ask Jody this GIS map it's applicable to the entire County right when it's updated for this layer section right so our rgis is updated
through just city of Stewart there is a layer that you can turn on for Martin County but mainly this is geared toward um for city of Stewart now we do get all our data from Martin County as far as the partial information
all right commer Clark okay thank you jod this is good that we're right there with technology and that we're able to do thank you sir thank you very much for what you're doing for city um I just wanted to
comment and I don't want to call it any names but I guess um our commissioner mentioned um that you know just like Abacoa and City Place Abaco and City Place Acres large areas we're talking
about 40 foot Lots we're talking about maybe eight or nine lots for the block and uh it's very small area so I don't think even with drainage and with other things we can have Abacoa and city place and the current code that's there now is
the E Stewart um form base code that actually has specific things a specific way to make um units a specific way to to develop something there and it tells you what the all the units are in that
array along the permitted uses and so you know to it I think it's kind of trying to engender fear to say we could put up three or four stores like Abaco and but no we we can do that and we can do four stores in Martin County it's
allowed it's you allow the commission to conclude it's allow but it's not fair it's what the code say Mr vice mayor will you allow her to conclude her remarks it's all it's allowed to do um it's allowed to you're allowed to do that but it's not a large area East Stewart has I
mean East Avenue has had a pharmacy downstairs um ice cream shop and house upstairs there have been other places in between there that they've had uh lots of activity in the past and I think when
one of our members of the public came up they talked about that but just to let it's just a very short area and the lot sizes are very small but again I think if we have a problem and I will be
making that motion when it comes here that we definitely if if there's an issue and E Stuart is going to be some big dividing line in the city of Stuart when I thought that we were trying to talk about large areas of multifam and large
areas of development this a very very small area but if we need to have somebody from like get a consultant from Urban Land Institute in here hire a consultant who's going to be talking to the community and somebody who they can
um communicate with there are lots of uh African-American Consultants out there there are good people good Engineers good teams and if we want to do that we've been working on the historic character of East Stewart we've been working on colle in historic data and so
we're trying to make sure that this this area is in the um National Historic District we've been working on all that so we're trying to let the area be a good character and a good area that people are proud of and yes they will
have shops if they want to bring back some shops so that they can buy a cup of coffee or have a pie in East Steward they can do that but it's not going to be something that's going to be overrun just because possibly bright line may come or something else is happening
downtown we want to keep that Community feel and want to make sure that the community if it's developed the people who have their land there for 20 30 40 50 years or for Generations that it's going to be
something that is serving the people that they people need housing people need to have some commercial so people need to have that opportunity and you are I may not be the people on the commission when those things come in but people need to have some kind of
predictability so that's why in that array of um and I think jod hasn't gotten into those uses yet but that's why in that we have when sorry sorry I'm Laura when jod when jod I'm sorry to point at I'm the one who's Italian
on well talking with the hands yeah but when when jod um gets to that there's array there and I'm so glad that there are people here from East Stewart and I know that the information has been put out there that they can see what the different uses are but on a small 40
foot loot you're not going to get an abacore development maybe a mini Mr Mayor I think I think I'm sorry Mr vice mayor Mr vice mayor had the floor after this yes I have a I have a comment so Jody is it true that somebody could buy
multiple parcels and UniFi title and have a larger parcel uh vice mayor Collins the way the the form based code or the way the code is set up today that you're looking that to adopt um there's not going to be an expansion to purchase multiple
properties and make one unified property is it true that if that if a developer met the 10- foot setbacks that within that purple right there that bmu that they could go up to 40 feet so in your bmu or mix jues um in your in your form
based code today um is got built two zones it has differential so it's not just a straight four stories you have to sit back like wedding cake a tie if you can kind of see so you kind of keep with the character so you don't push all the buildings up front you kind of have the
commercial and then you kind of set back a little bit and put the residential um so that was the intent of the bmu and the grow District but can I just this is discussion very specific to this item can we just if you could just let me
just get my thoughts out we wait till we get I believe you should at least give the vice mayor as much time as you gave commission a right you don't have I'm saying he can speak at length you don't you don't have to tell me I I can't speak I could would just like to just clarify this well normally during staff presentation we allow them to you just
let commissioner Clark talk a lot okay so again the purple just for clarification so we can identify what that purple and green and yellow mean again yellow is single family duplex green Jody would be up to 35 feet
without commission approval and then up to 45 ft in four stories with commission approval the purple would be up to 40 feet and then with commission action up to four stories at 45 ft as per our code that's correct based on the use table
yes just for clarification so people understand if it's purple it can be 40 or 45 ft with commission action if it's green it could be 35 or 40 ft which is a very different story than the one and two story shops for E Stewart of barber
shops and and in communi specific Within These different uses that are allowed mixed use hotels right apartment buildings not just one and twostory shops for the community these are very large intensive
developments if you can meet those setbacks so that's a point I wanted to make on I want to beat this to death but specifically that is very much an Abacoa type City Place type development in a residential neighborhood staff can you please continue your
presentation hold on one second we're just going to do a little shift change it's a 4 foot l you can't do anything okay so just so you know that the the um some of the changes were made uh that
between the time that the the agenda was published um there were some changes made that we sat down and just kind of looked at the different requirements and making sure that we weren't put anything in in a non-conforming status that's existing today those are some of the
things that when staff makes Land Development changes that we have to make sure that we consider what was already approved and what has already been developed and making sure that we don't strip Property Owners of their rights their property rights or their um that
what they've already uh enjoyed in the past some of these properties have been in been built since the 50s the 60s so some of the those changes and I did highlight them to make it a little easier so you wouldn't have to kind of look so if you would just turn toward the screen instead of your packet I'm
just going to highlight some of those changes um and I can go back to where we started as you're aware this ZIP the zoning progress went in on September 4th of 2024 uh at that time the developer I mean the Commissioners asked us to look
at the they had various workshops and they asked us to look at amending certain language and one of those was to amend lot to parcel and a parcel record to a par I mean to a lot of parcel I mean I'm sorry it's very hard to see
over here um amend lot to parcel and a lot of record to parcel record Jody I can't see this on the screen this is just this is just rating for my staff report okay this is just some of the things that we captured what you um asked staff to amend I got you so the
other one was to amend the minimum parcel size from 4,356 Square ft to 6,000 sare ft throughout the city um add a definition to parcel and parcel record reduce the number of density units from 30 units per acre to
20 units per acre and as in Chapter 2 and chapter three uh remove all shared parking requirements in each zoning District increase parking requirements for multif family within each zoning District to 05
remove language requiring EV Chargers uh increase um sorry add language to adus only to allow one water and electric meter add language to allow adus to homebased business with a conditional use
process uh only single family approved without an approval with without an approval with an approval process with East Stewart and Creek District increase uh remove the half units for parking require ments and a half units and increase the shade tree
de calculation to multif family from 50% to 60% coverage so as you can tell the ordinance starts out all your fun wear abs and then we get into chapter two Jody can you fast forward to three I
think that's where we're going to start just just I'm just going to move this over here real quick so that don't make you dizzy and then we'll go back sure chapter two is very long okay okay thank you so this start starts your chapter three which is your special
zoning codes which includes the urban urban C Urban and uh um creek creek District East Stewart and your Ocean Boulevard overlay so I think one of the biggest
things that you're probably interested in is um where a lot of these are DED as changing it from lot to Parcels um I do believe you're more looking at the use table in in East Stewart um if I could this is your parking
requirements um I think that's mainly the focus of this conversation for lot for chapter three so it starts out on the figure es8 is your permitted uses and as you
can see the chart is developed as bmu grow and single family duplex and just for clarification for everybody those three BM mu grro and sfd or what I apologize what did you just for clarification for everybody so they
understand those three different designations for a parcel there is three different types of designation and those are the colors on the chart that you saw earlier on the zoning map so uh your bmu is your purple your grow is your green
and then your uh I I believe the vice mayor is asking you to toine them yeah just oh business mixed use instead of a random Acron oh I I apologize it's B business mix juuse it's um hold on I bmu is business miuse what is grro
gr hold on sorry I wasn't trying to make it complicated Jody I'm sorry it's okay sfd is single family single family duplex hold on I always forget what you so for context these different these different sections are what's allowable
in each different of those designations resice when you used the acronym for so long you forget what it's so it's it's actually E Stewart Business mixed use and then East Stewart General residential office and then single
family SL duplex okay so when this was the form based code adopted this in 2023 if you see a check mark that was approved by rights without any type of approval process when we went through the different Workshops the board requested us to look
at some type of process and we are actually requesting to change the a to a conditional use as a so there's actual a built-in process um and it's consistent with the um E Stewart and throughout the code right so if you see a check mark do you
mind articulating what that means if if a certain use is by conditional use what that would trigger I.E a community public meeting in the community being able to have input so if you wanted to just so let's just say you wanted to put multif family in a business mixed use
District which is right here um right now before it was a use by rights but now we're asking it be a conditional use which requires an application through through the city commission to the city approval through the city commission which
requires uh public hearings uh from either the crb or C LPA board in which the public could attend right the community could be a part of that process uh yes and it requires U approval by the city commission it also requires you to
do Public Notices within 300 ft place a sign on a property and a ad in a newspaper with the specific dates so everybody that's around what is proposed would be be made aware there would you would see the blue signs you would be notified and then you could come and you could be involved in that process
instead of it being without your awareness and then the next day there's bulldozers and it happened all behind the scenes at the city and now there's this thing happening correct that is correct so I wait who who I dispute the
characterization behind the scenes but internal a a conditional use now requires an owner of his property engineer to hire an engineer to hire a planner architect it becomes a quasi judicial hearing you
have to present evidence we're talking thousands of dollars $28,000 and by the way there is no longer unlike anybody else in the city there is no longer any guarantee even if you comply to the code that you will be
allowed to do what you want but if the community doesn't want that four-story thing shouldn't that be the way that it goes that that it can be we can say no if it's not congruent with the neighborhood otherwise there's nobody
has a say nobody has to say it it happens it wasn't everything though it's it's it's not every it's not every every everything it's not all uses but we've what what you'll see here is where before we made this U potential change
nobody had to tell anybody they could come in work it within the city and it could happen what we're saying now is hold on you need to have a public meeting and the community needs needs to at least be made aware that it's going to happen and then come and be able to be a part of that and if like today
everybody comes out and they're like we don't want this then the commission has the ability to say that's not appropriate for the neighborhood that and that's the nature of that should be the nature of we have other commission come the special district that is East Stewart and trying
to keep it special commissioner Reed do you have a you me yeah I I have no problem providing comment um P your mic oh can you hear me now no yes no um I've I've done a conditional usage before and
I don't know if Jody can go over a conditional usage application but I believe you do not need an engineer for a conditional usage you could actually hand sketch you correct me if I'm wrong Jody I believe you can hand sketch your
site plan because a conditional usage is the concept majority um correct me if I'm wrong though but I believe that's what a conditional usage is you would then come back with a site plan for approval and
you could do that further on down the road but a conditional usage is more of the concept of what you want to do and then you would come back with a site plan when you were ready for that um I can try to find it so I can help you out and point you in the right
direction but it it might not have to be discussed right now but this evening would be great for the public I'm going to look for it myself so this is a conditional use process this is the application requirements what uh section this is 11.01
point11 okay so one you have to go through a preapp application and then you submit the application um you have different criterias that you have to meet it's number five and you have to meet all these
criterias from from a through J do you mind characterizing those criteria drainage and you know drainage you will have to um so so they're not going to be flooding the neighbor low to answer yeah Jody
continue he doesn't want me to talk so as the application process um if you were the applicant you are to Pro propose a use that is not contrary to be established land uses in the immediate area so all these questions that typically be answered by uh the applicant or whoever they choose to hire
um but they do need to address every one of these um one be is the proposed use would not be significantly depart from the densities or intensities use of the surrounding area and thereby increases an over tax and load on public facilities schools utilities and streets and public infrastructure so they would
typically with they would go to the different um entities like in our utilities department they make sure there's enough water capacity garbage capacity um if it's a multif family you would have to go to the school system and making sure there's enough school capacity um and any infrastructure which
typically they would submit a drainage statement stating that they would not impose on their neighbors um the pro the proposed use will not contrary not contrary to the Future land use designation and not have an adverse effect on the goals and objectives of the comprehensive plan um again these
are questions that the applicant would have to answer uh the proposed views will um the existing District boundaries are logically drawn in a relation to the existing conditions of the property proposed for change so this is where the applicant would demonstrate that this is
consistent with if you were in East Stewart it's consistent with your neighbors next to you so um you know you don't want to be building this four store and you have a one story uh duplex next to you so those are some of the compa the the um logic that we're
looking for uh you would also demonstrate that this is not going to be a traffic the use would not be a traffic congestion um a lot of times they will submit a traffic statement showing how what new trips that are going to add on to that
area um they will not um create drainage or storm water problems the propos we significantly reduce light or air we certainly don't want light pollution next to your neighbors that's anywhere in a city of Stewart you don't want to have light pollution if you have a
commercial entity two doors down and there're two stories and you have a one story and the light shining from that down St everybody doesn't want that so um we look at that to make sure that there's going to be a a typically they would have to submit a um photometric
plan that shows the lighting that goes out to the property lines making sure it points out to zero so you're not polluting on your neighbors um you're also looking at your infrastructure and make sure there's not a burden on anything uh the proposed use is not out
of scale again that is where you're either having a four story next to a one story so those are some of things that we do look at as well and and they have to provide justification and that there's no adequate sites for that there is not no other adequate sites that
would propos use in a district which is proposed use as permitted by right within the city so this is where that back to that table if you didn't go through a conditional use you would have you it's by right everything would be by right here um the way that the
commission is crafting it it would all be by conditional use except for a single family I think that's an important Point Jody as it stands right now today to the point I made earlier these protections do not exist for the Neighbors as it stands right now the way our code is since 2004 is if
somebody came in to develop they don't have to do that correct they don't have to follow that conditional use process correct Jody they don't have to follow the conditional use process they still have to follow the guidelines that are set up in a form based code that does have
those built to zones the compatibility so there is some there is some safety mechanism that was built in the form based code but the community would not be involved there wouldn't be a public meting right there would not be a community involvement um no no public notice unless it's over 50,000 sare feet
Mr vice mayor may I ask we are obviously discussing this section most of the people here want to be heard with regard to that the reason we have the process we have is that first we hear the
public because we value their opinion and then we have our discussion rather than us sitting up here before listening to them telling them what they so could we just have public comment on this SE I think we've we've kind of talked about
this enough for I'm happy to open it up the public comment okay thank you can I make one comment okay commissioner Clark before we turn the I'll make one comment before the public I don't know when you're going to bring it up but if when you do just also explain especially for
East Stewart about the home occupation and the addition that we're trying to add in for home occupation so there was a provision added to the um home occupation that if you have an U that prior to any of this
you weren't allowed to use your um um accessory dwelling unit I'm sorry I shouldn't use acronyms um to use your as a uh as your office or your or place of your business so you don't have to leave your residence to go or rent another place um we did add a provision that you
can have a office or some type of business out of your accessory dwelling unit by a conditional use as well now the state did change the code back in 20121 when Co was around that you can have some of those businesses like hairdressing in your main
main house but you cannot have in the way it's crafted is you don't have it allowable in your accessory dwelling unit so we are adding some language that will relieve some of those um so you don't go have to rent a separate space and I I think that's an important point is throughout each of our different
zoning districts is you with what we're talking about here you can still have a home occupation nobody's trying to take away that can we go to public comment please Ted witel I'm calling for Ted witel whitel sorry you want to let him know fill out
a green card for public comment I she's yeah if you want to make public comment you need to fill out a green card please again for this yeah for this particular item no okay yeah I think I'd rather wait and speak on chapter two he is okay okay
yes yeah yeah speak sir speak Ted you're good man come on I'm sorry Ted white so 304 Northwest Flagler could you speak into the microphone sir a little more directly thank you yeah I'm G to talk about chapter two I'm not talking about e okay
okay go ahead okay yes sir so you want me to go now or go yes go now you're up let's go you're up let me get a no he's getting his paper get there as I said t whitel
304 Northwest Flagler Avenue Stewart Florida okay uh mine is not really an objection mine's really a request uh I'll give you a little bit of background here for a minute that is that uh I think it's necessary that we continue moving forward with our
project because we've been under progress with this for a long time under the present code on September 11th 2020 I made an offer to purchase the vacant property at 304 Northwest Flagler Avenue Stewart the offer was contingent
on allowing me a period of 60 days for due diligence during that period I met with the city of steuart staff to go over the zoning Den parking and other requirements that affected the value of the property based on my investigation I determined what should
be built on the property that would set the price that made economic sense I closed on the purchased hired a planner architect engineer parking consultant and other professionals to prepare plans to submit for approval to the city of
Steward on April 6 2021 we made a presentation to the CRA board the Arena Hotel concept was well received the CRA board recommended that the project move forward for approval by
the city commission the board felt I should provide additional parking and state and federal approvals prior to being presented to the city commission it's taken three years to get the approval of the EPA Army engineers
and fot to provide a walkway under the new bridge as of this date all the approvals have been contained fees paid bonds provided lease rent paid for submerged land lease in addition of lease on the land to provide an
additional 60 parking spaces within a 3 and a half minute walk from the hotel has been signed and rent paid this is in addition to the 50 parking spaces being provided on the site now that we've accomplished all that was recommended by
the CRA board we're ready to move forward the polar building permit to start the building building of the project on February 13th just a few days ago we found out that after all the time and expense we've incurred to satisfy
the city's requirements the requirements are now being changed to scrap what we've accomplished at considerable cost and time is not really an option my request is that we be allowed to build the project under the code that has been
in place while we've been going through this process yeah it shouldn't be a problem thank I understand Jo jod for clarification we didn't change anything regard with regard to hotels so I'm confused uh vice
mayor um he's referring to a project that was called sport Sportsman Marina and they were going to build a hotel mixed juice with parking underneath and um so that project did not move forward
and the application was expired and at that time they started talking to staff about a temporary parking for a marina um and they had future plans for a phase to so we did let them know that parking is going to change each use will need to be parked accordingly but uh he
did he is correct we did have a pre-application meeting with him but we do not have an AC of application with this project correct understand right thank you sir thank you Mr Joseph Cooper
good evening um Commissioners um Joseph Cooper 906 Southeast 9th Street um coming to talk about I was try I'll try to be very brief um when we started this process the zip process it was about
talking about the growth that was in the city of Stewart so we we embarked on trying to put measures in place so that we can control the growth it went from saying we're going to control the growth and the city of Stewart to actually putting a bullseye on East Stewart so we
went from saying we're going to address these issues with multif family and multi mixed use developments that have sprouted up around the city of Stewart and then we went from addressing those issues to saying we need to take and
let's make sure we dictate what East St needs for E Stewart the the folks here are very capable of coming together I'm going to lead the charge to organize the people so we're coming to ask the commission to put a brakes on it while
while we understand that you want to protect us I think the best protector is the people that live in these stores so we want the the the the the process paed don't make any changes to the current form based code allow this the the residents to get together you can you
can pay you Uli which is Urban Land Institute they come together they meet every all the stakeholders the city can pay for that consultant they bring in all the professionals they sit down and talk to all the landowners and they they they develop a plan in conjunction with
the city and then we decide holistically but you they have the the Manpower and they have the bandwidth to speak to the land owners and to figure out there's a lot of different aspect of Who Wants What in the e stward but they gather all
of that they're the professionals you guys can examine that with they get the feedback so they're neutral party this we so we don't have to fight among each other let allow them invest in that so that the people can be heard they can be
in interviewed right in their residence and they could you could talk to land owners Mr Johnny Bell is here the mccard are here and on a side note if they want to take their land and recreate what was there they should have that flexibility
so but you can't tell them the can't because it's a lot of money to develop it's it's it's expensive but the people they they want to remain they want to continue to create the magic they want to recreate the magic they know how to recreate it because they came from that
we all came from that so I'm I'm imploring you guys a while and I commend commissioner Reed for coming in and hearing the people and those people are here today saying hey we want to slow the process down do not make a move do
not make any change changes and then allow the residents to come together and form a plan and then present it to the city and then you can collaborate by paying Uli to do that and then you can you can you can have a more Co cohesive
plan that the people whether it's the brinkleys whether it's the Mardis whether it's the churches whether it's Pastor Gore where all the people can give an input and then you take all those opinions and then you they put it
together the professionals let the professionals do it so you're a developer correct I yes I am yes but I'm not going to be on I'm not going to be on the panel but I'm a resident of these St until the plan is to get a bunch of developers together no no no no no that's that's not true know that it's
it's called so so gentrification gentrification it occurs you know why gentrification Cur occur let's let's talk about it because there this is why gentrification occurs it's because it's because white folks leave the urban Corp and then when it gets a little busy they
come back to the city Corps that's what generification is when you have Urban flight let's be let's be true that's whether it's Overtown whether it's River air Beach when the traffic gets a little hectic they want to come back and take what they fleed from how about we leave this residential neighborhood alone so
no no no I I live I live I was born here I get to I get to I have a right to to speak my dad is 93 he built most of the roads around here okay okay so you migrated here okay so you don't get to tell me no no no
you mice yeah because God blessed me God bless if you want to know yeah because God blessed coer Mr Cooper thank you yes yes yeah yeah I am cuz I'm blessed Mr Cooper you're a chiropractor right I'm blessed too okay good Mr Cooper stay in
your lane thank you Mr Cooper stay out E I would ask the Commissioners toight are you with the members of the public who have taken time out of their day to come here and express their
opinion Rod Peterson Bo here okay okay my name is R Peterson uh live on Central Avenue 721 my grandfathers Willie Emanuel baiton Tao everybody should know um I came in this community
Back in 77 and when I say it was a beautiful Community I'm a Country Boy for the pan I believe in Hogs chickens and everything else and but the community is is was vibrant I've seen so much in this
community from East Avenue to 10th Street to um 7th Street at that time before MLK and a part of Central Avenue very vibrant and as a young man I have
learned so much what Unity is in this community but my understanding is that what happened to the urban Cod that was established in this community I believe in growth but let this community build
its own yeah build its own I respect that yeah I respect that they have worked so hard like I was telling Mr Cooper here I cannot tell anybody in that Community I only been in there rooted for 12 years but they've been here walking in this community
standing in this community standing together you know I know over the years they had their little battles you know but that's just Riff Raff but what is the percentage of the land owners or the property owners ever went to jail what is the
percentage it's no percentage that I probably what 2% of somebody just kicking somebody or something the neighbor neighbor getting mad of taking some collar greens or whatever or whatever but I'm just saying some real P people that that own property went to jail there it's a lot of Riff Raff
coming through there I can be a nuis every day every day to call but I'm not going to be calling because it is it'll be too much to be calling but the growth need to be within and heard within of this
community from the ma Hardies from the Bells from from the gors and for the for the whole Community need to be heard need to be heard they need to develop in but this right here is unheard of go to Atlanta where I'm from where I where I
was raising my kids that's all day long but this right here a group home that's yes a drug home I mean it's it was right down the street I had to grab a man about to stab me 3:00 in the
morning I ain't press no charges the I restrained them but I know he was he know he broke out somehow and he went and done drugs or whatever but at the end of the day why would you have this here in that Community correct
it's nowhere else it's not in Old Port it's not in Old Palm City you might have little group homes that are that out into I say the Mansions but that's dealing with insurance and stuff like that but I'm talking about group hes that have that have Disturbed the you
know the community that's all I got to say thank you thank you Sanders Coleman good evening mayor uh City commissioners good evening uh my name is Sanders Coleman I live down in M Luan
Boulevard uh 900 uh 927 M K Boulevard and I'll commend you on a wonderful job you did down there with those uh with the property down there with the wonderful houses that was built instead of a duplex and uh y'all came up with a good compromise on it three on Sixth
Street and three on Seventh Street and uh one thing I need to let you know we need a red light down there because of the traffic okay with with e stood this is all the blacks have in East stood they not they not rich people
those hous they down where I live at they went for $450,000 a piece and people in East don't have that kind of money and they should have to say so what goes on in their Community period
because what goes on affects them it affects their wallet raise their property taxes up and they struggling now just to try to meet in meet because the price of a going through the roof all right and and I'm sure just like you
compromise down there where I live at Palm Beach Road and uh M K boulevar and Salin Street um I think you can come up with a good compromise but you should do it thank you thank [Applause]
you Robin cartright good evening Commissioners got weirdly quiet that's a little uncomfortable um but I am not a resident of East St though I do live across the street and as we all know I am passionate about what this community looks like and what our community thrives on and I am so
grateful to absolutely everybody here this is amazing um but there seems to be a lot of misinformation that's being thrown around and it's been stated that if the commission votes to approve the new zoning the property owners will lose their rights to develop their property and that is not true listen I don't
completely agree with commissioner Collins on what his vision and what he wants to see but he's not wrong about the negative impact of form-based code when it comes to any part of the city especially East stwart if we enforce the zoning that should be what's being suggested is that projects that are not congruent to the area and need
exceptions are presented for public input and commission approval East Short needs to be protected from developers who will gobble it up and properties and develop by right and before we create any significant changes then we need way better infrastructure especially drainage and parking especially in East
St than what currently exists ideally we would restore land use and Zoning that will give the citizens of East stord an opportunity to comment and influence what is built in their neighborhood property taxes are already at an all-time high and we pay more in taxes
and we do not get better or more service our increased taxes are being used to subsidize all new development and infrastructure needed to support it increased housing prices only make our taxes go up more more and someone with an investment property more than likely will increase their rent to keep up with
the surrounding Market rates and things like that are what gentrifies an area they price out people who currently live here FYI increased housing prices and higher rents do not equal neighborhood stability and they do not equal sustainability and it's weird how certain people like developers or people
who work for developers and people who are connected to Bright liner on board pushing for this specific thing with no regard to gentrification that it's going to create and I get it it's a profitable profitable opportunity for some people but greed shouldn't supersede the
quality of life and affordability of an area and we are responsible to one another yes East stort is historic neighborhood and the plans to develop it should honor that and the zoning in progress needs to have meaningful changes that benefit the individual communities and the community as a whole
and East stort deserves that thank you Robin David [Music] Foster Commissioners uh David Foster 119 Southwest Lyon Street Stewart um I'm
here um to Echo concerns over the zoning in progress and uh to urge slowing down on some of these changes um my grandfather spoke earlier we've been working diligently on a
project that is fully self-funded by local residents um up on the North side of the bridge and uh the intent as he stated was to provide uh Hotel um Marina
more uh boat slips which uh are are needed there's a about a three-year waiting list on every boat slip in the city last time I checked a couple weeks ago and uh as he stated we have been um here before we left to address some very
critical things like parking parking is a big problem throughout the city and some of these proposed changes to code negatively impact projects like ours where we have spent considerable time effort and money to come up with
creative ways to park mixed use facilities like like the one we're trying to make um we're not trying to add more residential units um which per the proposed code that would be an easier way for us to go we're trying to provide amenities to the residents of
the city to visitors to the residents of the city and it's just been very difficult to do so when the goalposts move so what we're asking for is to take another look at these proposed zoning changes take some time reflect and get
some more input from the community thanks Albert Brinkley my name is Albert Brinkley my address is 8:15 Central Avenue and I want you all
to understand that very clearly 8:15 Central Avenue why do I say that because this code allowed the gutter to be in my neighbor backyard this code allow us to be disturbed every
morning because of this form base code I go back from the time this subject came up I'm sitting in the back in the same building and I hear the one sitting up here saying let's combin e stood and the
creek District if you all don't know the creek District that's called cross the railroad track Colorado Avenue us one that will say from up there let's combine and Pete wson I say it again sitting up there right where
commission Collin was and his words was you all need to understand what East is East is a residential Community Creek District it's a business district why in the world do you all want to combine the
two in this same plan that you all don't know I find offensive that you want to change the St name without the resident approval I find it offensive when I look
at that shet and it says that the north side of East stward you all is not part of e stood that including the baseball field that including where you want to put bright bright line that is in the stew I
find it offensive cuz I had to play baseball on that field on the weekend when I had to go upstairs during the weekday go in our hallway look upstairs and look at the white folks playing during the weekday I find it it fancy
cuz the whole b k is in East it's is in East there's no separation with my King whole M King and I reiterate it again even where you want to put bright line that's is in East it
I find it offensive when you want to tell us when we told you all many of times right up here even in in meetings that we did not want Farm based cold what it was going to do to the community I'm sitting on a historical board and I
find an offens sitting on the board that's supposed to be preserving e stood and at the same hand you're trying to destroy he stood what you going to do preserve or destroy it's no in
between I find it offensive when we said we don't want our rad smaller when they already smaller and you want to put us like Colorada I find that offensive when you don't want to listen to us and I don't
still him many of days right here when this was coming about I said you all need to listen to the people of the community I find it offensive when we said we didn't want the F base Cod
and you did it anyway that is offensive why because of where it is you wouldn't do that in a white community that is a racial component that straight out races cuz you wouldn't do that the way the gutter company wouldn't be there if
it was in the white community and I ask you what you're trying to do to us would you do it in your neighborhood absolutely not thank you Mr Brinkley and it's wrong it is time you all start listening us and I said to
everybody start coming up here you'll know the truth you'll know the truth don't listen to lies I know the truth cuz I'm up here and a lot of stuff that's been said is not so thank you start coming up to these Mee y'all need
to start listening to the people of the community Miss Betty Brinkley yes good evening again and thank God for Jesus again thank you Jesus I'm look I saying something about it's
like racial I don't Deni and there then it comes down money money money money money they old money dollars that's all you're about you don't care about people livelihood you know I worked hard to get the house where I get 35 years making
hardly nothing at a job a government job Martin County School Board they weren't paying me nothing but I managed by the grace of God to get it then you want to come over there and say yank it out I got dir hand say I'm not entitled to it cuz what I mean a black aomin black
neighborhood this a mixed neighborhood then you want to come out there and snap for your own purpose I alleged somebody supposed to be uh I don't know how to treat us alleged of a group of real estate some one of y'all supposed to be connected
with that I don't know how to treat it that's the rumor going around then I know what daddy is about it's about the money you don't care about human life but I still say thank God for good and another thing back in uh
2002 stuff me and my late brother-in-law God blessed so we we got together came before the city commission fighting against what the changes they trying to do we fought for years for years but
nobody listen nobody cares who we were nobody cared all the uh City commission back in the day and another thing um this uh e stood back in the days went from um railro Tri all the way down by
JD Parker from from um Chris way all the way to East Ocean then all of a sudden here you come with this him zoning then all of a sudden it went from the railroad triack to Palm
Beach Road from Mont Luther King to 10th Street now allegedly is from the river Tri the topor what about the rest of it what what is East to it please where is East what what you call East now where
is East every time I turn around it's a change a cold to change that's is to push us on out but God God is a good god he sits high and he wases the evil stuff you're doing we all going to have to pay
a price to that old Mighty God you going to have to pay you going to suffer the consequence at Judgment Day Johnny Bell good evening my name is Johnny Bell uh live on 914 Southeast Hall Street in Stewart I've been a resident of this
community for 78 years and uh I've seen it from the beginning almost to the end um first of all I've been involved as an activist and I've been involved in uh setting U the uh Urban code for East
Stewart ched the committee all homeowners were notified and there were meetings held at St Monica's Church so the urban code sets the tone for East Stewart as
far as I know if there's any difference uh it was planned to keep East Stewart a community uh East Avenue was designed because of the Heyday when and it was
segregated and they had business there and so it was still designed to keep that aspect of it now I'm alarmed when you say that that allows for four story
other buildings to come in 45t 4 now that needs to be amended um at 4 we've been bombarded by outside people trying to reone East to it especially East Avenue and I've been active in stopping
those resoning they wanted to reson it to a PUD I did research on a PUD PUD was originated in London it was designed to get rid of and that includes us so I'm standing
here say I got a couple of questions give me some clarification we okayed the code uh the the the code Change on East on Mon Luther King Boulevard that's all as far as I know there's no other changes am I correct
Street Taron Bahama all to the west of East what is all bmu and gr all that I said that three andfor okay those are the proposed changes that's what's right now unless we CH well who okay
that we were told it was just and we continuously asked the question just Mar Luther King not East Stewart I know they changed it that's who who changed it the cities previous commissions that's well see that's not
right who who was notified I'm a homeowner I was notified of the change several meetings on that but that wasn't okay okay but that's what we engage in lengthy discussions with every member of the public it it'll be here forever all right so but you can ask your questions
and we'll be happy to get back to you individually okay I'm asking the question the for I was understood it was still under the East stward Urban code East St and all they asked to change was East uh Martin Luther King for the form base that's I
don't that's all we can always clarify it with you I'll make a point I'll make but but we will oppose that yes sir historically that's why we're slowing it down hist historically the entire neighborhood except for East a
and then MLK that was B1 vice mayor in within that B1 there was even an R1 single family home everything else was zoned R3 which includes single family homes and duplex everything else until
2004 that got changed Margaret bramfield you have all the opportunity to speak when we're done listening to the public oh God help us Jesus guide us good evening again my name is
Margaret bramfield 1201 Southeast sandan as I sit here and I listen to the for or against the changes it becomes very clear to me that East Stewart is a gem so I hereby Echo to the residents of
East Stewart to get involved to the churches in East Stewart get involved help to educate the resident of East Stewart to the city I say educate the residents give people a
chance you guys um are elected to serve the public absolutely it's not your it's not your personal interest so I still think there needs to be more education thank you thank you Charles Jones
Commissioners again well here we go round two it does not take a whole day to recognize Sunshine all of us at least those of us from the East St Community we should be
happy for commissioner Collins because when they put up maps when they talk to us in terms that we do not clearly understand and you're just being having the woles pulled over your eyes because you don't fully understand exactly what they're talking about you need someone
to lay it out bare for you so I appreciate you for that thank you y'all need to understand just look around you and see what is happening you can see it with your own eyes all of us who have grown up in this area you see the development that is happening you see the the areas that they've gotten rid of
you see the growth right around Martin County no one is a fool it does not take a whole day to recognize Sunshine so what do you think's going to happen to our to our neighborhood the community is gone the community is being turned over
what will be where will East Stewart be in 20 years there will be no East Stewart had a plan for it there will be none who's going to afford who's going to be able to afford to live here it's not going to be us I travel I go to places I've seen
historic places do you know what historic places are they're tourist they're tourist areas they're tour arious they're not for the people that that grew up there they're not for the people that live there they're for the people that have money so ask yourself this are you willing to sacrifice
yourself now for tomorrow just because Stewart can be a place where tourist can come that's what is happening before our eyes yes it is I thank you people want to say hey it looks disjointed oh you two are fighting and and bickering no it looks like someone has someone's
interest in mind that's what it looks like to me better look at it [Applause] I don't need to I don't need to get up here and and holler and you'll have to forgive me cuz I'm passionate but to me it is it is pretty obvious between the
Hales and the Have Nots and what the future lies Easter Community is ours yes it is let me say that again Easter Community is ours but things are being done to take it away from us and take it over our heads we have to do everything
we can to fight that don't let it happen don't let it happen show up absolutely have a voice say something we are the ones who put the officials amen it is us so you have to listen to
our will these things that are being done behind our backs and these meetings that happen and choices that are being made that's not what we want that's not what we want do we well there you have it show up let's
have action again commissioner Collins I thank you here that's SL you're [Applause] [Music] here got put Clark in there too all
right let's go Kimberly Mardy um 5772 Southeast 47th Avenue store my family has had strong roots in this community stemming back to the 1900s uh over the years we've purchased
property in the area and it has remained in our possession despite consistent increasing offers from various developers to sell so hundreds of years changing the code would limit the flexibility that we as
landowners like my family would have to develop their properties without obtaining permission from the board we don't have access to unlimited resources therefore many of our lots have remained undeveloped rather than choosing between
the two current options either all single family or what the current code is is there no middle ground so that land owners like ourselves can keep our property and develop it funnel money into our community to help us develop
our property my family's been here for Generations um and the community knows our family so I think they know that we have our community in our best interest I'm just going to say this on a more personal
note um commissioner Collins you called my family land band ER and I'm deeply offended by that comment because it implies that money is our motivation we're that the case we would have sold long time ago I don't mean any disrespect to you so um we have
genuine love stolder we have genuine love for our our community my uncle Johnny my cousin Charles my uncle Jame my cousin James so um all we're trying to do is look out for what's in the best interest of our community as well as I
said if we were in it to make money we could have sold a long time ago but we know what store it was like my grandfa father lived 98 years Bahama Avenue my grandmother Ruby Bell has a home on MLK
we have a heart for the community we're not selling to the land developers we want to do something for our community ourselves we would like to hold on to our property and maybe put in duplexes or something like that so if there's some type of Middle Ground that we could
come to so we're not deprived of we've paid taxes for years on our property and we would like to keep it thank you Kathy Pitman can hear hi I'm Kathy Pitman my address is uh 1028 Southeast 14th Street
so I am all of your neighbors I agree with everything I've heard tonight I personally have a stake in this because I feel like the city of Stewart does not take care of their residents as the City attorney sits there he knows exactly what I'm talking
about I had a $100,000 lean PL placed against my property because of some rotten sofit which I had changed and and corrected but they didn't believe me when I showed them the proof so here I had $100,000 lean against my property
and um I don't think any of the Commissioners are aware that this is going on in the city of Stewart and I think it's primarily because I have an older house if you guys notice all the new homes the row houses that are going up yeah my my I have a double lot they
could take my property cut it in half and build two row houses and make a ton of money off of it so I fought it but I didn't win and that's okay but I want you guys to know that this is going on I i' I own a business in the city of
Stewart as well I also worked on Cortez where my father-in-law opened up his insurance agency 60 years ago so my family is an old Stewart family they don't discriminate against you know if they don't like your property or they don't like you or whatever they come
after you so yeah I have a bone to grind with them but I also don't want to see our little city turned into like what you referred to a City Place absolutely that is not not our city that is not who we are I've been I've lived in this in
this town for 40 years I felt very disrespected nobody would return my calls I finally had to threaten that I was going to call my state senator and I own a business and own a a property here in town I pay my taxes I do what I'm
supposed to do and that's how I get treated and I'm sure other people here have also had leans placed against their property for very stupid reasons unnecessary reasons and I don't know that anybody's fought back but I will be in this this room every night until
something changes in our city and changes not we're already dealing with the bright line traffic takes me 30 minutes to get from my house off of Palm Beach Road to my office over in the Regency Plaza should it be like that no can we do no no we can't do anything about that because it's Federal but now
you want to open up a station and make it even more difficult for us we have enough to deal with as it is so I implore you to listen to the residents and do as they're asking not what you want to do to line your own [Applause]
Pockets Frank mccristal dear Lord thank you for this love lovely evening um hear a lot about consultants and planners and all that I'd like to again thank the
commission majority for not buying what the elites the globalist elites have been selling for a long time Transit Orient development
15minute cities multimodal Pathways all these code words for we the elites of this planet know what's best for you and we hate the idea
that Americans just might still the American worker just might still hang on and have a little house to live in and a little yard for their kids to play
in that that's not sustainable no we're going to pack you all in the tight spaces and we're going to make sure you take the train and get rid of the evil car okay and I want to thank this
commission majority for understanding all that all the way to the top and when you hear people asking for more consultants and more experts to come in and help us please
understand this the entire second layer of bureaucracy that has been running things all right just below our elected officials who are supposed to run things they've all been indoctrinated by
their college professors where do you think they learn their trade they learned it from these globalist Elites and this beautiful plan they have for all of us so for this commission majority to understand that I will
always thank you to the people of East Stewart this has been a wonderful exercise and I would hope that finally I've been asking you guys for a long time you need to look up at this right
here and understand you have three friends up there okay and it's not an atheist and it's not someone with a Jamaican accent okay straight
up straight up all right thank you very much Jimmy Wilson how y'all doing I'm Jimmy Wilson 801 Tarpon I bowed my head for respect all these all these names you
you named Gores Davis Bells I was a little pup growing up we looked at them Men We respected them they took care of their family they took care of their home and every last one of them will tell you we respected
them growing up and I sit back and talk to them they tell me stories how steart alternative was a black school they couldn't go over there nowhere so all the people in M had to go to that school and the reason why I'm mad about
that cuz look what they turned that school into that should be pure history everything that is history about this city east Stewart that is black and proud was should be you're destroying
you're working on it you've destroyed and now it's time to take the city and time to take the property after you don't destroyed the history and the culture of that community that I
call these men here are strong black mens that's how I grew up to be who I am Charles Joe that's how he grew up to be who he is they went to work every day like young man said they ain't go to
jail we saw a lot of people who did we saw both types of lives going to jail being a husband and the wife and doing the best to take care of your family and now I see these men grow up riding around enjoying what they work
hard for I admire that I love that that would give me and I know those things what inspires a black community the little things and now you sitting up here so
disrespectful for what I look for these at these men how y'all talk to them how y'all pull the wool over their head all because they want to trust you to show us that you don't have to come up here and be like this you can handle your
business a different way you can handle your business the legit way you can handle your business like this and what you do poor world over their head and to me that is so disrespectful to some of the people I grew up and look up
to as far as who grew up in this community and it's more of me that feels that way especially anybody my age and older who grew up and respect these young men I I'mma call them young sorry sir y'all know I respect
y'all and to say that now you coming and doing all this do you even understand the black culture of a community you doing all this stuff that's going to change that just like you took away all the history of this community it was a building in
East St a white building we used to grow up oh that's the scary house ooh that go to oh look up there that's the ghost that was our little thing for kids and that's my memory R Rosa stemer hello again my name is Rosa star Rosa
Jacobs star I wasn't going to come up here because I have a little tooth but I need to say this all of you that's sitting on this board up here you're not from here the majority of you
right you don't live here we live here all of these people here we are East stward we know what we need in East St we have some very very intelligent
people sitting in here know exactly what we need all we have to do is get together like we said down at the church last night put our heads together tell you all what we want that's should be
your first question to ask us what it is that we need what do we want how we want to have e stward my grandmother God Rest her soul she worked on the flower farm all
her life on her knees providing for us and then that home that we are in if it had not been for her we wouldn't have a home so now out of respect you all are up here if it was
you everyone up here would you want it to happen to you would you want to go home and somebody tell you the same thing no put yourself in our place just put yourself there to see how we feel
you go home you rest at night you go home you sit and you talk among your family and say what we go home disgusted and we are aggravated not knowing how things are going to go on
our street right now you put those homes up there I used to work for this person that was in real estate8 and a half years they took me say Rosa you're our Rosa and when I went to them I didn't
know who my neighbor was talking about see but when you go to God God shows you these things I knew one heartman I went to him I said Rick this is what's going on I said how can it be
he said Ros he said what are you talking about so I told them about you guys wanted to put duplex on our street on Fifth Street you wanted to put homes what's that telling us that's racial I said no we can't have
that he said Rose I'm going to go back up there and tell them that you all don't want it the thing you should have done was come to us in the community ask us what it is that we want we are very
very intelligent people we know what we want we work like a dog right now trying to keep what we have and I do not want to see my grandmother's house be put up from some highrises people stand beside
us rapist you'd already put those blue houses out there you don't know what those people are about you used to tell us who was coming you don't tell us anything now and so now we have to watch and watch our kids walk the street so scary
to you know they can't even go out and play by themselves anymore you guys I don't even know you like that but I believe you got children you got grandchildren you worry about your kids if you don't I something must be wrong with
you but what I'm saying put yourself in our place know what we want think about you can make the decision for us we have a mind that we can make this decision just
think about it God is up there he looking at you we the one put you up here and we can take you out of there so think about it don't come around here when it's voting time to talk about this this and this and you
don't do nothing you're trying to take our place take our homes take what we have made for ourselves so now I'm through cuz you know what at the end of the day I gave
it to God God GNA work it out his way amen Miss Sandra Peterson hello my Sandra PE and I live at 721 Southeast Central Avenue um I just have a question for y'all what does it takes for us the
property owners land owners to receive information about when um things are going to be changed like they went through the um Zone and changed and we didn't know anything about it it's a lot of elderly folks out there that can't run a computer uh family members don't
bring them the information is there anything that we can receive in the mail that going on that you know about the information that's going on that to let us know something that's going on with um resoning instead of just you know having
it without us knowing anything about it so if that's what we're trying to do okay all right so I'm I'm I'm actually saying when we receive paperwork in the mail I'm saying this and that that and this or not just by coming here to do the meeting we're trying to make sure if
somebody makes a change there that you see that blue sign and you get notific okay so you can come in and speak to it okay all right thank you yes ma'am and Mr Walter Lloyd good evening Commissioners uh just like one of the
previous oh my name's Tom Lloyd uh 150 Southwest Cabana Point Circle and just like one of the previous speakers ERS mentioned I I do want to thank not only commissioner Collins but commissioner giobi and commissioner Reid because I've been coming to these
meetings for a while probably not as long as many of you but I have watched how these things work I've watched how money drives decisions and then concern for the public drives we got a lot of the previous
Commissioners we got a couple that are here now that represent that same mentality and we've we got a lot of them out there in the community that are still working to make their agenda happen so I'm going to
ask the community to listen and the commission to listen to who's coming to oppose this change this zoning in progress to put it back like it was listen to who's opposing it I've heard
from a developer that came up here who by the way had no problem building a Costco right in m neighborhood traffic what's the benefit for the community some jobs but traffic's going to come from all around the region it's going to congest it it's
going to make it horrible we brought experts in nobody listened to them said we couldn't be experts but approved it but you know it's the money it's all about the
money and they'll build a Costco in your neighborhood if they can if it means a few dollars in their pocket so I'm all for and I would like to reiterate the changes that are being made to go back to protect this community I'm not a
member of that Community but I am on Outsider looking in I understand what can happen based on like I said the Costco and all that that went on so I'm saying if you stuck with the form base you're going to have no input somebody had mentioned is there anything in
between that's what we're going for conditional use will give you a say so and what happens in your community and it doesn't mean that what you ask for you won't get um so anyway if we're going to delay this I would say let's do it solely for
the purpose of getting this community's input let's don't allow outside experts to come in and give us at our expense advice that isn't their right input
um and then also the suggestion that those outside experts come in and get paid for by our taxpayer dollars I don't know where that came from but anyway I do want to thank you guys and please stand your ground make this happen we're going to make changes it's going to be
easier for you we'll make the changes we need to thank you Susan oror I'm Susan Oar I can just hire you right now a mother consultant and a resident of the city of Stewart and have been for 24 years um I just want to say two
things um one um I am a professional engineer which we know I am retired um I would like to say that I have a little bit of concern from the standpoint of who's pulling the wool over whose eyes um this code that we have today in E
Stewart has been in place since 2004 and yet we haven't seen any of the things that Mr Collins has shown and I think that back when this all occurred and the people were having the meetings there were different visions that the
form-based code can allow it has the flexibility to do what Mr Collins has suggested but it also has ability to do things that the property owners and the the residents want to see so there was a
couple were a couple of speakers who talked about the common ground because I fear that this is pulling the wool over people's eyes that people who have invested in their real estate who have invested in their homes who've been there for Generations they had a concept of what they might like to see and
perhaps this doesn't do it so I do think that before something like this is voted on that you do get to the meetings of the mind and let see if what the vision that people have in that Community can be done with this process and if it
cannot be done then you should have a meeting of the minds and make a tweak to this the second thing I have is just a very technical issue um I would like to see some more flexibility with the parking I understand that people have a problem when there's no parking when I
was on the LPA I had suggested to the planning department at the time that we were giving away parking and that we should do something different than we were doing I just don't think we take a tool that's useful like shared parking or off-site parking or in Loop parking
and limit it to the way that you're doing now it's going to hurt the opportunities not only in East Stewart but throughout the city of Stewart I do have a former client who no longer pays me so I'm up here just because I think it's the wrong thing to do I think those tools need to be out there and I'd like
that to be re Revisited as a part of the delay so thank you very [Applause] much mayor I have no more public comment oh wow ask if that's anybody else um do we want to make a decision on just
this section or allow staff to continue to present on the entire thing and then this might be a point to take a break break take a break sure let's take a break 5 minutes no we'll take a 10minute break we'll
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oh that must be new because I didn't have any do it at the begin I had grammar I just fix my grammar do you want to let everybody know if they have com if you're going to do public one more it's just one
is it something the okay let's go thank you madam clerk we have one more public comment we'll write my staff report sometimes quiet please quiet so we can get Michael bundet or bendet sorry good evening uh Mike Benedetti um
six per Winkle Circle and Stuart um I talked about this last time briefly about the uh um asking to include salons barber shops and cosmetology into the R3 District um I just want to clarify my position on
that mainly because um a Florida statute I think it was in after Co in 20121 that they allowed cosmetology places to operate out of a house and in the R3 one of the Hang-Ups was probably that they know it's part residential
also um but through the the statu already allowed to do that so it's kind of already a permitted use through the floorida statues but so um I was just bringing it up again for you consider adding that as a permitted use not to rezone everything just add a permitted
use for salons and barber shops because I would imagine before the floor of statues changed that they couldn't operate salons and stuff out of residences but you know that was before 2021 so this has probably been way
before that so I was just bringing that up one more time just for consideration thank you um commissioner goob yes Dr gadet reached out to me today and basically um I know some of the Commissioners were
concerned because of the uh adding of salons to the R3 District would then include salons in a residential district um but it was brought to my attention that the Florida Administrative Code chapter 61
52.2 requ contains a requirement that allows homes to have salons in their homes so that that fear that I think some of the Commissioners had really doesn't exist because if you have a home you could certainly C certainly turn around and put a salon in there and I have to say one of the things we want to
encourage and we always talk about are small businesses keeping businesses looking for businesses small businesses to come to Steward this is an opportunity to have that and um to um just add to that that uh R3 code salon and I think well I don't know if Jody's
still here but she may not be hey there she is there she is that's I'm here um and that might be the the one thing that is the addition to just add the the type of businesses and it would be Salon currently uh cosmetologist uh
massage they're all in that list so I think just adding a salon allowing a small business to flourish and go forward is something that you know that's what we're supposed to be doing commissioner Joy could I just ask Mr bagot to perhaps explain why that might
not seem so may seem simple but what would actually be entailed for us to make that CH well we would we can't do it now as part of this I come back but I I think his problem is he's in an R3 zoning and the statute that you're the
administrative code that you were referencing pertains to in your home it's not in his home that he's wanting to do the I understand that not apples and apples it's apples and oranges so yeah I mean if you wanted to add a use um that's currently not a use in our
three District we would have to do a change I wasn't trying to compare apples to apples I was actually saying you have oranges in the residential area where you can put a salon in your home and we're saying well we can't put a salon some of the Commissioners were concerned because then it would allow residents to
have salons but they can have it anyway if it's their residents they're a business we're just asking to add it to the list and I think that is simpler than um than we've made it to be I just think it it just got out of context I think maybe some of the Commissioners
didn't understand and um that's what I'm asking for maybe on the next um motion for the next meeting we could put that on there but we would have notice requirements Mr baget and correct and it would be like two readings like we've done this um and and potentially they'll
have to go to an Advisory board so correct that that's a big change okay but do I need to make a motion to request that we do the change or we talk about the change discussion yeah commission re yeah I wanted to um I I
have no problem talking about the R3 so R3 the designation is called R3 residential multifam or office um I looked up the cosmetology thing really quick and it says can I operate a licensed cosmetology Salon out
of my home it says yes yes you can operate the salon out of your home as long as the salon facilities are separated from the living quarters by a permanent wall there must be a separate entrance to the salon other than through the living
quarters so you know not to reiterate but basically what the City attorney and what some have said it's for homebased business and if we amended the Land Development code which how it's being asked you could do it in residential
neighborhoods then which would you know you would meet that requirement but I think the difference was yours was an office trying to add the verbage to R3 residential and there could be potential other ones but I know you could have
done a PUD I believe like we discussed last time and that was my only concern I understand what they're doing the salon was more out of your house to be like one client in I would imagine one client out instead of you know potent and and
I'm just stating it just that's probably what the reasoning was behind it instead of you having more than one chair in another area outside of your home right this isn't in his home it's bus right but my thought was because there's many
similar services like massage therapy and all these others that can operate in R3 it's kind of strange that the salons and barber shops especially is not allowed in R3 like that it's it's it's odd it's because the R3 is in
residential neighborhoods that's why right but whereas you can have a salon in a residential neighborhood correct one one in one out okay I I I don't think we want to have a lengthy discussion with everybody um he
has made his he yeah he's made his wishes known he's spoken with one of the Commissioners and we can investigate what's would be mayor rich I wasn't finished I was going to let him know you could come back and I think it could be discussed more in detail I just didn't want to be cut off thank you I'm sorry
excuse me commissioner read I can I can communicate very well thanks Rich I think uh I think Dane did you have a comment too you were asking me about comment before the break yes you can comment there you go he's ready
I just feel like uh the new code or the formul code is pretty much like punching everybody in East Stewart in the face in my opinion um I just I just don't see how it couldn't grify the whole area I don't know if you
guys have ever traveled or SE the effects of gfic and what this is going to do but that's exactly what it's going to do there's all these terms being thrown like are I don't even know all the terms but this is pretty much a meeting about saving East Stewart or completely
destroying it that's the only thing this meeting is about or this section I should say and uh I just really seriously hope we don't go with this formless code and uh I'm praying for East Stewart God bless so do we want to make a decision
regarding this SE comments or go through public I have none did we go through the entire East Stewart form base code or did we just focus on the permitted we just hit this seems to be the only one that perhaps we might want to consider
in a different manner I have I have a question on the East steart code is it Comm yes go ahead I was going to ask Miss um the the the same thing that you have up there now which is figure ESN o eight
permitted uses in the East Stewart neighborhood Miss um cougler so you have down to home occupation so that's the first part on the on the residential uses and then we
have the business um uh uh the the um multifam and um yeah business and multif family and then we have the general and the residential an office and then we have the single
family and duplex so when we have the G the black check marks miss cougler those black check marks are what is in the adopted code as a a permitted use that's what this table is showing is that
correct by right yes a permitted use by right and then everything that probably has uh an an a which would be allow allowed with the check mark cross through allowed um with a conditional
use is is that is that correct so if somebody could not at let's say for the duplex dwelling units right there under Section 3.02 so okay so originally that was only allowed on the
single family duplex it was not allowed on the bmu it was not allowed on the grro this suggestion now is that it be allowed on the bmu it be allowed on the
grro but it has to um it has to come in under the with with commission there's a go up a little bit um Jodie where that red one is four uh anything that's in red with a check mark is an allowable use approved
with a resolution through a city commission public hearing process and that public hearing process has uh an expression I think jod went through some of the one for conditional use but you have to notify I think Miss Peterson
asked about how to notify if you're coming in with something that has to go through this requirement you notify everybody within 300 ft those get a certified notice then they have to put up a sign we call it the blue sign you
put up a sign on the property and then if it's something big big um then usually somebody could put signs out if they get permission to or whatever method they use to allow other homeowners in the area to know that something is happening you read your
newspaper we still advertise in the newspaper and then we have the website not everybody has the website but the website does give information for when the city is doing activities and we meet every second Monday and every fourth
Monday at the month first Monday is 400 p.m. the next time is 5:30 p.m. or if there's some other meeting in front but essentially people can be notified of this so the current thing which carried over from the
2004 East Stewart plan I think which Mr Bell and I will call names Mr Bell mentioned carefully about how they planned this he and that's why he was kind of surprised when big things like like Abacoa is it Abacoa what's the name
something like that could go in was that those things could not go into to East Stewart but recently that was suggested during this process that let's allow everything but they have to come in and
get this the city's permission no that's not true okay all of the I don't want to argue okay hold on let me I'm going to ask jod to explain if I don't explain let let me just let Jody explain so okay okay hold on um I don't know it says
number four an allowable use approved with a resolution through a city commission okay I will stop being planner lawyer commissioner and I'm going to let um jod explain what's on that board thank you commissioner Clark
so the number four um was suggested and after looking at this for quite some time and talking with other colleagues one of the things that staff always is trying to do is trying to figure out what process so instead of an a we would like to delete number four and put it
just everything that has an a put a CU which would be a conditional use because there's an application process which helps staff when we're doing those analysis or how we're how we're directing um applicants of what's required instead of just trying to
figure out is it just a resolution is there any public notice process so one of the things that we're asking to do is remove number four which is all the A's and replace them with CU as the same as number two which is consistent with our which
is consistent with our code right but that's why we have this that's why we have these discussions and then Jody if you just run down the whole thing transient residential overnight accommodations were never even though we've had motels in in East Stewart but
they were never allowed at all by WR or anything now they're going to be allowed um in certain areas or certain things room rooming in now if you go through if you can get a conditional use yeah but the way you're saying this right now is
that we are expanding the use by well we are no we're not all of those check marks is what we've had since with form based code this process that we're trying to do with the zip is to only allow that with conditional use so it comes in front of the community you're
saying it's the opposite that the zip is adding mixed use and Abacoa that's the opposite of of we we are trying to I don't know why you would even are you confused are you I'm not I'm not confused when when we're going to do it by conditional use all the black check
marks Jodie please explain the black check marks so the black check marks were um when we pulled us off the um form based code all the black check marks and ones that are um crossed out were black as well correct um they are uh the only thing that's going to be permitted by
rights without going through any type of approval process essentially will just be single family and in in the um single family duplex the um duplex dwelling units the accessory dwelling units and also Family Daycare and group homes and
home occupation other than that in your business mix juice and your general residential office everything other than single family will have to require a conditional use except for home occupations because they are preempted by the state we had also can I recognize
the City attorney he because he indicated he wanted to speak prior to you Mr vice mayor yeah Jody is starting to clarify it and I just wanted to make sure that you guys were aware yes jod is asking everywhere and Jody if you can go on to the next page as well yes because the chart
continues anywhere there is a red a she is asking that to be replaced with a CU now forget about all the red Mar up there and you'll see what's black right there are there is already CU in this chart which is conditional use um a is
what was asked to be placed instead of the check marks but there's no process and procedure in our codes to to go through development to get a correct um there is a process and a procedure to get a conditional use which is the CU so
she's just at there the intent is to have a public hearing and a conditional use so um they they're we're already using conditional use in this chart she's just asking instead of placing the allowable and and um using
conditional use no you hold on you just said the same thing again that we're expanding use right now no no we're expanding the requirement for conditional use what Lee's asking is to put a CU because it flows throughout the city Land Development code instead of
having an a welcome Le all right anding what's up there is up there well this is what was um this was attached as the uh um uh recommended code revisions but she's asking you we've talked about it
more recently she's asking that instead of an a that we you when you're voting to adopt this that it will be CU not a I don't think there's any issue with that right just cleaning the code up a and conditional use are one and the same we just don't have a procedure in place to
do an a we do have a procedure in place to a CU so um and the chart's already using CU so it would be very it' be confusing to people trying including ourselves for reading the code and that's why I brought it back up because I noticed that it hadn't been changed
because I I guess we're not you know I had the old reprint but I didn't even change mine because the same thing as in the in the new um even in form based those those were all the allowable uses we're not we're not adding those uses
now believe commissioner Clark is making that CL okay all right okay all right so so just just I just wanted to make sure that people knew exactly what it meant and especially since the doctor brought up the um the salon where is the salon
in this part of the ESN 08 please um Jodie uh commissioner Clark he is not located in the East Stewart no no I'm saying Salon in here where do we have Salon in East Stewart on the barber shops beauty shops salons and Specialty
salons you can go down to that please on the commercial uses right here we're not hiding anything from anybody and some people don't have time to read this stuff and since we have it here let's just pull it up and let people see it
okay so so there's salons right there under commercial uses and everything now is going to be conditional use Nothing by right it's being changed used to be able to do the art shop or gallery or bank
institution drivein barber shop or the catering shop everything now is under conditional use you can still do it but you would come in front of the community to have a public meeting it's still you can still do it we're just trying to trigger a public meeting so
everybody can have input on it we're not taking that right away from you we're just saying you need to come in front of the community and if the community doesn't like what's being proposed cannot say that you cannot guarantee that this commission could change and there could be people who have a very
different view of each Stewart and if they don't want to approve it they don't have they cannot approve it so and they could change a code too I mean anything can happen but but just you can't say well you'll get approved no that's a false statement if the
community does not want that it shouldn't get approved okay right so right point the opportunity to come forward so they don't have like like a gutter situation it's it's expensive I just I know that it's a good thing to have Community input and people always
come here and and have things uh but you're saying if it's if there's no need for them to come here if it's not a PUD or something if it's a straight Zone in it's going to be built and and done but um we just have to know that when this thing happens and if things happen like
this where everything is under a conditional use it is going to trigger um not just the regular parking and drainage and all the other things that a developer needs to do but it is going to just to prepare it to come in on the
condition I think somebody mentioned that you can just come in with a with a little I think it was commissioner um Reed you could could come in with a little draft piece like the back of a the proverbial back of a napkin plan where you could just bring in something and I don't think that jod read a whole
long list of about 17 things that you have to do in order to come in and meet the requirements to bring in a good plan that will pass muster for them to look at then it has to come to the public and the commission um to to get reviewed right commissioner Reed are you are you
done commissioner CL yes yes sir commissioner re yeah this this might be for Jody so Jody for example if we took um urban urban center could you do any of these things by right an urban center urban center if
urban center has its own correct but just just so the the public can see because it gets thrown out a lot by right permitted that's a good point commission so let's go to urban center where I live and let's see if I can do any of these things by right just so the
public can see it yeah it's a good that's a good thing just so in your Urban code uses um it's basically your parking table so these are all permitted uses by right in the urban districts is there anything not by
right you're in the you're in the parking though right now yeah that is that is the um that is the permitted use table is the parking if you read I'm sorry I don't mean to be so if you read
F2 Urban code district uses the following uses are permitted in all exclusive individually or a combination and urban code subject to regulations pertaining to formula businesses in uh 2.0
6.12 so these uses the land uses that to the left side are permitted by right duplexes duplexes hotels rooming houses adult daycare child care yeah and I didn't want the
mother mayi stuff for East I'm not finished yet um so what I was getting at so these are permitted by right so when my family bought this property and and I live there now I know what it's by right permitted for this was changed in
2023 to add more so the community might not want it and that's where the split's coming from just so the Public's aware they can currently right now do all of the same stuff by right but the community wants their voices heard and you know you do a development project
they're not going to hear you and the urban Corp and Creek District are very different than E Stewart so should that same kind of the urban center all of those same uses be by right in a residential neighborhood I mean I think it's pretty
clear the majority of people who came here tonight well what I was getting at is I'm in a very mixed use neighborhood let's take something off East Ocean go to Dolphin let's see if you can do anything besides a single family there can you put a three story building multifam and a single family residential
neighborhood off dolphin you can't even you can't even put Salon rich I'm not done rich I allowing you to speak but this happened the last time when it became a free I really want the public I want you to finish commissioner Reid it is the vice mayor
who keeps interrupting all I'm asking is you ask to be recognized sure thank you commissioner Reed just so we can see and the Public's aware what's going on so basically it turned E Stewart into a mixed use neighborhood you can look back
at the zoning map from map from 1978 and it was predominantly R1 and R3 single family residential or single family duplex that's what I was getting at my neighborhood has always been mixed usage we can go way back it's always been an
urban neighborhood you can look off of East ocean dolphin that's a single family neighborhood so imagine if you went there and gave them this code it'd be completely urbanized and you could do everything by right that's where the discussion's coming
from thank you I'm done so obviously the focus of our attention is this table which we are now changing everything to conditional use do we want to have a motion and a second to deal
just with this and then allow jod to finish the staff presentation on the remaining sections and then vote on all the remaining elements that can I speak sure to me it was pretty clear how everybody
felt so I know the map Amendment where we're talking about restoring the zoning in East Stewart to residential I do believe 100% needs to come with a meeting at 10th Street needs to come with the ability to have a PowerPoint
all of us there and to go historically over what these Parcels have been Tarpon residential you know and and then feedback from the community on hey we want it to either stay residential or actually no we want it to be business we want it to be commercial and to go through that neighborhood I do believe
that but unless you want to be just in an abundance of caution this chart I believe matches what the neighborhood wants they want to have um you know mixed use type
development these different uses uh trigger a public meeting so they can have input as far as I can tell by you know what I heard tonight people want to have a say on what's happening in their residential neighborhood and if we want
to be just you know again abundance of caution so we're not upsetting the majority of residents over there we could add this into a meeting at 10th Street as well when we do that map Amendment and I think it should be ASAP I think that should be happening as soon
as we can uh get it advertised so that if we're going to separate this and pull this out from the zip that we can deal with it quickly because as of today right now I feel that this neighborhood is exposed unnecessarily because of what we've done in the past and how we've zoned it so if we're going to pull it
out my only request would be that we deal with this immediately well you're not going to believe this vice mayor but I agree with you hey but just to inform you since the form based code was instituted one single family home has
been built and one duplex that is the torrent of overwhelming development form based code has Unleashed in two years one home one duplex
so I you know I don't think we need to be have that great a sense of peril well there there is frustration at the gutter company I think that's re you know okay okay but that is because of the form based code I agree this really was all I
was asking for on Wednesday it's evident This is complicated for us it's complicated for the people who live in East Stewart I thought the point made by the gentleman who spoke twice he said thank you for clarifying bmu
grro it's okay that you don't know what those are are but you do need we do need to take the opportunity to explain that um I sat through a year and a half of form-based code meetings here in East
Stewart at 10 Street and people they still come up and say you never reached out to us and they don't understand it and they're not comfortable and I said this Wednesday night we failed we failed to reach out
to them in a way that made sense to them MH and so let's I said let's learn by our mistakes and reach out to you if the community feels these restrictions and I've never known a
group of people who willing to give up choice to gain you know who are willingly give up choice to gain I don't know quite what they're gaining well they're gain the ability to review I've never I think
we should tread carefully there as you say go out and explain it let's all sit there I completely agree and if you're if you feel that we can table this just this one element what's what's The Pledge of the
board commissioner G commissioner Clark um I my light was on first but I'm sorry then commissioner Joby go ahead can I go certainly you may what I wanted to say I want to take on this note where the two of you were in agreement and I think that we should move forward and I
have a note here that the earliest I guess was uh the third uh Thursday in March would be the 20th to put all of these presentations together maybe have handouts where people rather than also looking at a screen have it in front of them all of the codes be explain to them
that we have a meeting at the community center it gives us time to um basically advertise it on the on the website we have set plan for staff to be there for notes to be taken to be um videographed for yes right and I think that if that's
a motion I can make that we could move forward to agree on that motion for the next meeting that would be great to to review two things in particular one is is this chart and then secondarily dealing with a a map Amendment where we're restoring the zoning back to
single family duplex for what was pre 2004 and just entertaining both of those things they have input on both you have the community together it makes sense to look at those map changes also I agree so I think that that's something going on I'm going on this great light I see
the two of you that's a drink afterwards can I somewhat can I somewhat second it so that I I'm sorry commissioner Joby are you done I am done I'm seconding I'm seconding so that I can I I'm going to talk because I hope that when can I say something maybe it might change what
you're you know you might add to it but I'm not sure my question during this thing of discussing this motion is um to ask uh the City attorney uh what is that deadline that this ZIP is on now are we at March 4th
that you don't have to answer now that's number one are we at are we at this some deadline in March number two if we do this breakout where we take out um whether this table or all of uh East Stewart um land use and zoning and look
at hold on and and look at that if we take that out um how does that work in terms of the the the zip timeline do we extend the zip timeline for another three months for everything or we try to get
the rest of it done and read vertise in a whatever certain way we need to get it done and let it meet the original six month thing or do we just delay everything for three months sorry I I did I she's on a wild tangent
tonight our our zoning in progress only it's initial three months you're allowed to extend it for only one additional three months for good cause which we did in December and it expires March 4th on the 4th of March yes so that means if
you table this it's it's it the zip will you know it'll expire and in essence the zip was to seesaw applications on stuff that you're dealing with so that means applications can renew or or start coming in on this issue on in E Stewart as of March forth
and in Practical terms of development could come in and leverage our existing code that is the liability is if we're not happy with the form based code as it sits that liability does sit there hence your sense of urgency yes I I agree with with you vice mayor
oh my god I've died and went to heaven um I have a question I have a question for the um City attorney Mr bagot um while the zip will expire that doesn't mean that this particular piece which is the code and then looking at
the map could they just not be made zoning changes at the time that we do it at the end of March doesn't have to be under zip it just would doesn't have to be under Z okay correct you can change the code anytime if you approve any of the proposed ordinance language that can go forward
you know timely under the zip so yes would just be these this this and the together but it seems like you're one the discussion is whether or not to what is the map element I'm sorry we had discussed sorry we discussed um with
regard to changing the the zoning it was the map amendment to go parcel by parcel versus the the uses chart there was two components one is if we're talking about restoring the zoning to look more like it did pre 2004 where
it's residential that requires a map Amendment not this I'm not comfortable doing that until we hear from the residents of East Stewart that's what we would be discussing as the residents if we pull this out we can we can put up what the map was what it is now what the
uses mean what the height we could talk about all that and then everybody can say yes or no or something in between as it stands right now we have a vote we have a second we have a motion we have a motion by commissioner JY and second by commissioner CL you clear clarification
claricy what's being pulled out we're pulling out the umn permitted uses in East Stewart neighborhood I know so it would be section 3.2.3 and figure ESN 08 permitted uses
in the East Stewart neighborhood correct and stopping there we would not be continuing on to 30204 development standards and lot parcel sizes it would just be um perit to ESN 08 Jody you got do you are you with us
yes cool yep okay thank you Jody you know what we never go wrong taking the time to hear from people I agree I agree so we're going to hear from the people about by the way it gives us the opportunity to go out into East stward and to talk and you know
talking smaller groups okay so motion a second is there any public comment on this seeing none we already for this motion that we're discussing any public comment do you guys understand what we're doing
the um is there is there any additional comment from the Commissioners comments oh I think we have a comment oh I'm sorry Mr Cooper at least um pulling it from the table I think um Gathering and just taking our time to hear from the community and and that that's that'll be
that's a that's a step in the right direction thank you Mr Cooper and he agrees good we're all in agreement roll call please vice mayor Collins yes commissioner job yes mayor Rich yes commissioner Clark yes and commissioner
Reed yes okay champag on me so now do we want to start from section two and start cranking through it now we're going to section so miss so we're going back staff continue I didn't see much Jody there was just a
couple is that pork no that's not is that Park I it's density there's parking and density from 30 to 20 go from two to to to four yeah I'm sorry Jody could you go yes I was just getting that I didn't want to
make you dizzy by scrolling up so before you leave what if he wants to leave now well he can't all right okay let's let's regain our composure here so I don't know if you wanted me to just go like some of these
are just cleanup language which is a parcel I think I'm I I'll give you my feedback and then you guys can see well I just like when she's finished if are there any changes from two weeks ago Jody till this evening so I did highlight the changes and this is a
change right here so in your table in section 2.03 .07 Table Three yep um we did change the footnote to say maximum for um Alf to from 30 to 20 units perfect and then you got downtown Redevelopment yep you got it all
buttoned up perfect so this one 2.3.8 table 3A um I noticed this afternoon that I had the Chang this but this is a chart so I just wanted to point out that this needs to be changed from 8.72 to 7.26 y um she said thisno are you trying
to catch up am I going too fast I'm sorry mayor's trying to catch up so in the maximum dwelling units per acre um all those were changed from 20 from 30 to 20 um we also on the footnotes again change the
assistant living down to from 30 to 20 wanted things we did notice too we were not consistent with number two so we did change that from 8.72 to 7.26 this is based off the 6,000 foot lot now
y um again all this was changed on table section 2.3.9 table 3B um in the footnote one we did again update that information thank you Jody you're awesome commissioner Clark do you
have a comment regarding these changes oh thank you jod um I since you're talking about uh lot size and intensity did you get to the part again we never really did discuss that much when we're
talking about East Stewart that people understand about the small lot size the 4,356 I think to the 6,500 lot size and what uh if somebody has a small lot now
what happens if they want to develop on it or if they want to develop an accessory dwelling unit or if we're going to leave all of that since we're going to be meeting with E Stewart at some point in the future that we can discuss all of that with them at the
time so we we did add language in there in each section where we changed the lot size from from whatever minimum lot size and and like in Easter they had no minimum lot size if they weree a parcel record as of September 4th they were cons they were conforming they were
deemed conform conformed yes okay can I continue with my question sir you certainly may did you get up to section 2.64 Child Care Centers not yet no not yet okay I didn't get up there yet okay
I just have my whole thing discombobulated here but that's fine go on so ask a question yes so we're changing all these densities this was brought to my attention I think it's a very good question 2.0 310 table four is it table four if we're reducing
the maximum density are some of the owners of these properties going to seek a reduction in their property values and what impact May that have on the city no because this is with conditional use I would
like the staff to answer that please Mr Vice that's not a planner question so staff uh was not um able to do any of that analysis we were just based off um we added a lot of uh Conformity language as of September 4th
2024 so that if there's any properties that were built or developed or had a development order prior to that date they were allowed to maintain the density and if they if for example one of those projects were to be demolished or an act of God or some something
happened to that property they could still build to what they origin approved as and we did add that language in chapter eight because that was one of the concerns that we did have is how do you with people to have existing development orders that have not built but they still have not met they've
extended their timelines or I'm going to use selfish Cove because that's one right here that's recently built um they have a mixed use project if for some reason we have a hurricane Act of God tears it down they would still have the right to rebuild because it was a it was
a condemned it was a parcel record prior to September language in Section 8 deals with that ask a question about that sure whenever you're done um you know that's part of the analysis that some of us been saying
been missing all along is economic analysis of these changes and it certainly would make sense to have that information it's going to be required when these comp plan when we have to make the comp plan changes so so we will get to those issues at that point in time
Mr vice mayor just um maybe this is a Lee question for for sailfish I think that's a good example because it leveraged half units what they would be grandfathered in for is a number of units on that parcel selfish K yeah well over here
selfish Cove which is right here it's right off of seminal K's on K's on Central we talking about the one on Frasier Creek no right here right here the one that's right here here yes yeah somewhere you know that used to half
units Mr bagot I think it's that way okay right behind the bo House Restaurant it's right behind the boat house restaurant so how how would that from a technical legal standpoint so in chapter eight we've got language we haven't gotten there but when we get there we
can okay fine that's the whole point language the new language in Section 8 got it that whole chapter deals with the existing non-conforming development in Parcels but then you have you have developments like Kingswood who has less land than when
they originally started so but they're still grandfathered in right no density new because it's based on the original uh development agreement that has changed because they gave away some of their land so no they can't rebuild
not necessarily we don't know which again that's you know we should have taken that inventory correct I don't know Kingswood I don't know what the development order was I mean that was from 1980s but um you know they've given away I I know of one parcel that
Marcel's here she had bought purchased a land where I was involved with with the water pipe going through um that that's the only thing I'm aware of I don't know what the original um zoning development order was for Kingswood so I so can't say I can't
say we can't say right now right but he could get back to it all right moving on on yeah as long as we do that child care thing I just want to make sure I see the new language so in this footnote um we when
we are looking at this this um impervious surface ratio you already addressed this in your storm water drainage so this is not really a necessary footnote that's would be required so we did delete that footnote um again these are some of these these
changes you've already seen as of the first reading uh this is the language that we did add in there um that says all Parcels assigned a parcel ID number and recognized by the city of Ste as buildable as of September 4th 2024 shall be conforming and exempt from the
minimum partial size requirement any created parcel of or subdivision after September 4 2024 must comply with the minimum partial size requirements set forth herein does that meet your requirements so if you did not have a
assigned parcel as of September 4th um and you're it's a created parcel or it's done to a subdivision or something like that they would have to meet the minimum lot size of 6,000 square feet correct moving on uh
so ask a question you certainly Comm Clark so the difference with that parcel and the property the marina property that this gentleman brought up was because they actually had their development started but they stopped and so they lost that opportunity but their
lot is still their parcel was already created oh no it's a PUD it's a PUD so it's going it's coming in front of the board anyway yeah no so that was originally brought in as an urban plan development I do believe and um and this
is before my time so if I missp a little bit I just know it was when I was coming in this project what went to the board and I do believe that they did not approve it because P it was pulled back with some questions and um about the
hotel um the application never had taken action because there was no no um it expired so since then they there's no application to take action on it as of right now do we know the date on that
thank you if you don't no it's I it's hard to remember the dates 2019 I think it was it was 2019 2020 I'm sorry you need to just so I can go watch the minutes
okay T wh yes the question was when did we start when did it come in front of the board it was in 2020 uh um I gave my paper away but I think it was in April let see April 20 2021 April 6
2021 got it okay I got it okay so did it only go in front of the CRA board yes and then let's see the board felt I should provide additional parking um so it never went in front of the city
commission it just went in front of the CRA yeah we were advised by the C ra board to get all our other approvals in place first which has taken us a long time long time as far as I'm concerned we've been active the whole time dealing with the city back and forth but it
expired the application expired the permit exp we haven't had any activity on this project as far as any type of Marina or any resubmittals yeah they submitted a prea but that's not an official application so okay they had a they just recently had a preapp which just basically they
want to put in temporary parking for a marina until they were going to be moving forward with the um hotel with the hotel and a Marina and a restaurant I do believe right I I would just like to remind the commission that this looks really bad
that we are rewriting the code on the Fly possibly to accommodate one applicant mayor Rich that's not even what I was asking okay but I think this he has presented valid points and he should be dealt with individually to see if we can find a solution for May Rich
the only thing I was asking was for the date so just so you know so I could go watch and find out what happened on the record okay mayor Rich so that was for my own purpose not to like change code on the spot by the way thanks thanks okay thank you sir any other questions
no questions I'm watch the video thank you thanks I brought it up I'm sorry that it caused a problem but we appreciate your information thank you thank you I will just continue scrolling um so we have a note here to remove this but I think that we need to add some
language in here because there is already some cottage lots that are built so if they get destroyed we need some type of standards that they go back to we I think we just need to add that conforming language in there as well I don't think it's necessary we remove this standard we would just put that
when they conform are you going to be able to do that in time for the zip or does that need to be removed yes we can we can add that language tomorrow yes is basically adding the Conformity language that if you had a cottage lot as of September 4th you can continue but if if something
happens to that Cottage lot um we have to figure out what we want to make sure that we keep the history of how you rebuild it correct so we just would like to keep that that um that's that building form all right um
so these are just changing in numbers because we deleted some sections IM mun code they're going to Reen it uh same thing here uh mayor I mean uh commissioner um Clark we did not add any
language about the um daycare centers it was decided that we were not going to do anything with the daycare centers so that General section 2.06 04 that's what I'm and then there's a definition after that that says generally and it's I have mine still
yellowed in the version that I had printed out I didn't want to print out anything else so I just brought this what does that mean section 2.06 04 Child Care Centers so that must be an older version you're looking at so
we did not change anything um it was probably the original version the first reading so um after listening to the commissioner and going back and listening to the um couple of workshops and the direction um daycares are pretty much
um regulated already so okay so we weren't um so G is just reserved just so we don't lose the numbering and have to change all immunity code when they codify the code same thing with this uh language um I don't think there's too
much other changes three I think we're good well we're done with three we're going to five okay before you're sorry let me put can I put my before you finish with um three I did put a note on your desk jod
I don't know if you saw it but when we prepared to go to the east Stewart area did you see a note written on your desk I think it's written on his two-page letter are you the one who left me a not that that when we do it it's not necessarily a land use but it's a way to
identify something that's um the heart and center of East Stewart and that is all of the public housing okay the Lex as well as the tour this is your love note you left me yes that's your I was wondering who left me this yeah I left you that love letter there okay so just
like your um g g what's it GIS guy was doing all those things if he could um hone out the public housing in each Stewart sure so that we can see our overlays with the other thing maybe the property appraiser map or you'd have to
label it in the gis or something she she'll figure it GIS has a that he can he can add a layer if that's if that's we'll see can just light it up from there that land doesn't belong to the individuals even though it's it's it's zoned um whatever it is single family or
R3 or some of it's SF but most of the housing authorities grro grro yeah and that's why we the the land ju you know so we'll figure it out we'll figure it out commissioner Reed um so oh sorry I
don't think there's too much more oh um this is now we're in chapter three this is getting into the urban code I there was no changes in the urban code chap yeah we're done with three we're done with two we did did we do the parcel size figure yes lots and parcel yes lots
and Parcels we did that want to go through we didn't talk about the density changes we did we just did we did oh sorry I might have was I sleeping there uh all the tables have been changed from 30 to 20 you're making all that
conditional use set a uh this 30203 as you know we're not voting in on tonight um so I'm just going to kind of move forward we're in chapter three was there anything else that you updated that you buttoned up in there not in chapter two so all the highlighted
unless you have some questions in three and three um let me just check because there's a lot of um going back and forth yes architectural standards so we did put this foot note in there as
well um all Parcels in existence as of September 4 do not exceed exceed the density of 20 units per acre shall be deemed conforming with the maximum lot size requirements and shall be allowed to obtain a permit for construction if they meet all the other requirements in
the code okay you did put that okay perfect um I'm just okay so we're going to go to section scrolling through are we agreed let's just make sure we there's nothing else she finds just to be thorough six
right around the corner well it's after five so we're now we're in the let me see here we're still in the East Stewart chapter five is just three pages 124 to 126 can I ask a question commissioner Clark I just heard jod say
she was sing E Stewart so the highest density that you can get there 20 is at the 20 units 20 units per acre right uh we are now on the creek side again we changed to 6,000 and the minimum L
size so there's not really much changes in the creek side uh that's a very small so this is just some clean up language um we take out now we're in chapter five
chapter 5 is a very small it's just really just changing a part the lot for to parcel what you saw at your first before we start I'd just like if does does the public wish to make a comment on Section Five before we begin going through it does anyone want to
comment on this it's very small I don't believe there were any changes made were there Jody from two we there's no M there's not it's just changing two lots two Parcels right it's just lots to par and this is just your uh Wetland mitigation and your um okay we're so now you're on chapter six
okay hold on the same question does any member of the public wish to make comments on Section six before we start considering Paul Marcel okay there you go I can feel it this is a two. I'm just very briefly I'm I'm not sure if I
missed the discussion on parking or there just isn't one because you guys are comfortable on the shared use no use of shared use parking and no use of off-site parking is that there's a lot of shared use in the city there's a lot of shared use parking in section 6 that
we are eliminating so it would be appropriate for you to make those remarks I I I I believe that there should be a process besides the Pud where shared use parking and off-site parking are legitimate tools and I'm maybe
haven't explored it enough but it seemed like it was all stricken through X and had a set of codes that are Suburban codes that may not be applicable and I I saw someone referencing it rates and the
IT rates do provide for in urban centers where you have a rate and each use has its own rate because it's already assuming that people are sharing and have internal like when we're downtown or in my client's case if you're staying in a hotel and eating in the restaurant you're not parking you're not getting
your car and so without those tools some of the things we've been planning can occur and they would be counter because we'd have to have more impervious surface and things that go against all what we're doing to preserve the the river and water quality Etc so I just
thank you there's a way you can keep it in there and put whatever you need to safeguard it but I think we still need those tools thank you commissioner Reed yes this was for Jody do you I know we talked about density a little bit it
used to be 30 units per acre do we know what Kingswood is I do not for density cuz I believe it's over 30 per acre so that would have been on it's 42 so that would have been nonconforming anyway anyway right how the code was written
for 30 per acre so just wanted that on the record thanks she can confirm it moving on uh commissioner Clark just to make a comment I believe no I had um was I asking it during Susan's thing
about the it and so on she's we're fine no where it's uh yeah I thought that we were going to come to a compromise on the the 2.5 and just go back to was it 1.5 or two we we
were without doing an IT using the it rate we had just said that we were going to no two 2.5 all the way or cuz this one I don't know where you got came up with that compromise okay so can I just
go to six section 6.01 point. one3 off street parking schedule so or scheduled since I have an accent Comm Clark we just started with chapter six so that was good it's a British lovely
accent do do do 6. 0113 like I said I did not want to break any treason I read what I read on the computer but I didn't print out anything else so I still have the
6.01 one3 off street parking schedule if that doesn't exist in an updated version no it's in there it's she apologize she's almost there all we did was kick up uh half a spot on those two for multi family
0.0113 you gone Jody you're so close off street parking there we go okay these excuse me are these changes from two weeks ago no no these are the same that was that was okay instead of 1. well we had 1.5 then
we went to two can you just explain those parking standards proposed parking standards please we increased a half of a um half of a space per unit on the
multif Family studios are one bedroom would have two two parking space per unit garages count to Wars required off street parking 2.5 part of the rationale was with sp sp
102 is the legislation requires you to consider your parking but it doesn't mandate as of yet that you reduce it so it is some what of a hedge or over development density with s
sp102 is a developer would have to meet our parking requirements for multif family s SP 102 is being Rewritten as we speak well it's going to be I look forward to it me too no you don't unless they do change no you don't for the thanks thank you can I continue with one
question on shared parking so in section 6.01 point1 two all of the shared parking and Joint use facilities as um a member of the public uh certified engineer traffic engineer had brought up
all of this has been struck as was there originally or as was uh proposed and struck I think it was just was the originally and and struck pulled out and then struck no
um shared use parking there's there's on street parking in shared parking Arrangements that happened but otherwise if you can't park it you can't build it that's the idea and can all borrow each other's
parking spaces okay thanks and when that ordinance number 2077 and the the portions of it are struck it's only struck because Those portions were related to this the actual audience is not struck I'm just trying to make this
very clear for anybody who's um who's looking at it that's correct Jodie okay that's fine all right okay can I just speak before you certain May so there's a lot of talk about Kingswood I happen to live in Kingswood and I can't tell you how important parking is
because when they built those back in the wild west they didn't account for that you have six units and like five parking spaces and at this point most people have two Park two cars and there is no off street parking in Kingswood so when you're having a developer build something it is really important that
they provide the correct parking y yeah are you okay I I have a question on the shared use parking so I asked what you know what what the shared use parking allow municipalities to
accomplish and what are the negatives of shared use parking I honestly could not find a single article about the negative of shared use parkings and I would really ask somebody to give me a study to show that there's value to that
because everything I read about shared use parking and I got to 33 articles and I stopped but just to quote a few despite the empirical evidence surrounding the overabundance of parking as well as its deleterious environmental
effects few municipalities are changing parking requirements we actually are and we're creating more parking it says one successful technique is shared parking um shared parking takes
advantage of these varying demand P patterns and allows adjacent land uses with complimentary Peak demands to share a parking lot space this not only encourages centralized parking rather than scattered Lots but also reduces overall construction costs which could
greatly benefit both municipalities and developers so parking acccess parking which is encourages people to drive when they otherwise this is from the urban parking Institute the mayor's Innovation project excess par parking which
encourages people to drive when they otherwise might not can hurt a city's progress towards reducing greenhouse gas emissions improving air and water quality managing traffic and encouraging the use of travel alternatives
I thought these were all things we're trying to accomplish and yet we seem to make making a decision that will be making is worse I also learned in this research that one of the largest contributors to polluting the
waterways is what gets scuffed off of tires the rubber that gets scuffed off of tires and it's frates are very substantial another article these types of reforms shared you parking have been shown to reduce
traffic everybody wants that as far as I know and Associated emissions they can free up resources for cities to invest in transit and other infrastructure and can lead to lower real estate development costs meanings more opportunity to provide affordable
housing I thought that was a good thing I thought we were trying to do that but apparently we're not going to do that um again smart good so it's art article after article at some point we're going to have to come up with some
research to send to the state that says shared used parking is having a negative impact on this community so I don't know where it's going to be found but it seems to be the overwhelming
evidence is to the contrary I mean go door to door and start talking to people again I know it's been a couple years since we've had to your research is when you knock on those doors people are frustrated by the parking okay so just so people
understand what sh parking let me go let me talk and there's going to be less cars if you have less density if you have lower density there's going to be less cars it's a pipe dream that in South Florida you're going to have urbanization and high density and people are just not going to have
cars it doesn't work here people can have cars you let more people live here because you have more units you're going to have more cars and more rubber and more SLO and like you were talking about okay and if you make it harder to park the state law requires we just can't go by anctd Donal evidence and say we knocked on three doors I'm just
saying you might as well get R ready because we're going to have to provide a study that proves that shared use parking is nothing more I went to the synagogue the other night to listen to a lecture and it said from 5 to 7 from 9
to 5: on weekdays this is for the medical office all other times you can park here that's all shared use parking is we see it all the time but this and it's very effective but this idea I think has shifted and
we're a little bit behind when you think of working from home a lot of people now work from those apartment units that they're supposed to have vacated so commercial can now you it's not what it was before the the math the doesn't math
exactly anymore people are now working from home the fact is we are going to pave over far larger swats of the city and people are going to be able to finally Park their car I have never heard
someone say to me Publix the downtown Publix needs more parking spaces Home Depot needs more parking no one's ever said that to me because they have sufficient parking right but they won't with this they won't have that anymore they'll have to put they'll have to put more parking in no they they built it to
have sufficient parking uh they're you're saying they're underp parked Publix is underp parked for the new code they will be no you're asking for more paring no that's commercial this is just for multif family what are you talking about mul we didn't change commercial chance if I can speak okay commissioner G okay
what I wanted to say that the studies are both pro and con because wherever you see the shared parking works it's always based on what is considered an urban walking City now we have parts of Stewart that are that but we have parts that are not people need their cars they need to go to the store in their cars
they're not walking to the local store to get their groceries at Publix or whatever so the the studies are both pro and con depending on what city you're looking at I mean so that's it and steuart is a mixed City we have some parts of the city that are basically you
could walk I guess but most people drive I just wanted to say okay I would love to see the con because I could not find one and we're going to have to show it to the state go knock on doors you're GNA hear it
don't okay vice mayor next keep goings did just so of my understanding did I hear you state that the shared parking and Joint facilities that were making the changes are just going to be for multif family because this does affect no no I was talking about the the
parking requirements it does apply it does apply for the entire city I want to make sure shared use but I was talking about the parking you were talking about parking requirements under the new rules okay the parking requirements did not change for commercial just for multif
family is that true Jody I apologize could you repeat that again the parking uh requirements that we've increased are for multif family exclusively they are not for commercial correct yes okay so Publix will commercial um Publix will be
okay so we don't have so one of the things that staff um just for a tool um the it which is a transportation of Engineers um Institute just so you understand that is a a that is
evaluated on a every two years and updated with a new addition and it has all your from urbanized to real to Industrial um so that's a a very big tool that the city that the planners do use to be able to rely on
so just maybe something could we consider that as a tool we're trying to do those analysis I think it's a tool that you guys can use but I wouldn't use the standards that are in it you can use it as a tool but making that be our standard that we're going to
measure from I think we should Steward is its own Community we actually spoke about it and we it was decided to remove it as a so I'm just just that's what I just said yes yeah yeah so you can use it I'm sure within your department using
it me if you reject ref referencing it okay but it's not our standard so there's two parts of the it there's the parking requirements and the traffic so they all refer back to the land use that's based off The Institute of traffic I'm not a traffic engineer just
I've been read many many many traffic reports so your data from your from your traffic analysis is going to come from the it that's where majority of your your um Traffic Engineers use it from so I just wanted to make sure that we have
no way to evaluate any of that now based off striking the it when you say you don't have a way to evaluate can you not reference it without it being your standard my my my concern is if you're bound to the it you
have to fluctuate with it versus being able to set your own metrics for what you require for parking so there's two like I said there's there the parking and then there's the traffic so your traffic's always going to be off your it
there's no way to evaluate that because that is a standard traffic analysis traffic analysis the same thing with your parking so all we're going to be giving applicants now is just basically they have to park it based off the parking code yes but then their traffic counts are going to be different based
off the it so it just it's just going to throw a little bit unbalance I just wanted to what's what's the danger there if we have no basis to evaluate uh it if it just doesn't give us
a clear Standard Parking on every and and traffic analysis it's a lawsuit it they both go hand in hand why would you have a lawsuit because they if they could normally build something based on the standards in the industry and then
because we have one quirky standards that says you can't do this then you know it's it's it's up to you know they have they I mean they're losing um the opportunity to build or to do something yes I see what you're saying is that
they won't be able to build it as densely as you think as as as as um as they would want to but sometime it's not about density per se it's about the ability to have something that's uh clear and
professional and so it gives them it helps them with their decision making they don't want to be flaky when somebody comes in to do something it's not flaky they can reference the code and the require so I just whenever we bring the projects forward it's going to
show the IT parking analysis and then what the city's going to require and then also the it based off the chaff generation as well so I just wanted to bring that because there will be a mixed portion of that if there's a PUD if there's if there's there's one of these things they can we can wave some of that
parking but this is what we're saying our standard is and then you you know you can deviate that's what I wanted to make sure that you know if they bring in the Pud and and you know we can use the it as as a analysis or a tool and you're showing that a needs only 100 parking
spaces but based off our code it says you need 250 that's an abundance of parking that may not make sense I just wanted to make sure that we could still use that we need to to divorce from the I for parking that's right okay I just wanted to make sure because I know we're striking out of here they're oil and
water if you want to use the traffic that's one thing but the parking requirements if it's that much different okay it will create confusion it should not thank you I just wanted to get clarification thanks I hear I hear you um commissioner um vice mayor and and I
I I commend the your idea of saying you know we want to stick to having them be able to park it and to do it uh is and I I probably could have brought this up the last time CU that would have given us two weeks to have looked at it but is there any way before we go into a final
to see if Kim leorn has any language or suggestion to get something from kimorn since there are parking Consultants I'm not interested that's been rejected already all right I'm bringing it up I just brought it up okay all
right never provided a paret report that said that there's at some point we're going to have to provide some substantiation to the CH to the state to justify the changes keep going J okay keep going so I just these are ones that you saw at
the first reading I don't believe there's much changes in uh chapter six five pages oh can I see that ad you on the same electricity or different Parcels
par electricity bill um now we're moving to chapter eight so this is probably where some of the changes that did happen um sitting down with our City attorney and looking at our comp plan there is an element
called properties right the property right element and one of the things that staff wanted to make sure is that if there is a pre any previously approved development application with an unexpired timable or previously completed Improvement made on a parcel
prior to September 4th 2024 shall be deemed conforming so as long it remains in compliance with the any other any conditions of approval so again if you have a parcel and I'm going to use selfish Cove they get destroyed they can still rebuild based off the approved
density that was originally uh the parking anything that was part of their original development order um they could rebuild and use the same density that they had as long as is like for like um we do have development orders out there
that have um not expired they've been approved and uh and as time on goes on we do have executive orders that shifts that line further down by state statutes so we have quite a few out there um so
we wanted to make sure that we protect so if if if a development comes in and they have very little bit of parking that planners are looking at that this was a previously approved uh parcel with shared parking at that time that they can still remain as that I'm sorry Jody
to make you go back back to six 6.0 1.09 Steward parking code this parking code shall apply to all development it doesn't say just multif family that's correct and it's all crossed out shared parking and Joint use
facilities so I do believe I don't understand the parking increases 60313 were applied to multif yeah but I'm talking about shared use the corcept of shared use correct
yeah we're not doing shared use right what I was talking about okay but Publix isn't leveraging that that Plaza has its parking so Ry rug wanted to go into so if someone
wants to go in where the old windx SE and if they make any change any change the entire Plaza has going to be will be subject to that those new except that's the parking requirement it could get is there multif
family in that Plaza it's just not it says steart parking code this parking code you apply to all development what it says doesn't say just multif family it's like 06 this isn't six gotcha so shared Park parking was adopted in 2006 mayor Rich
by the way that's that's when it was adopted four shared parking I I understand you're for it but it was 06 Publix eliminating Publix was I understand was built well before 06 by the way so is Ry rug that Plaza was built before 06 so they didn't even use
shared parking when they developed that project but the plaza correct me if I'm wrong the plaza could become subject to it mayor Rich it met parking requirements well before sh parking I do believe that's what try staff was trying
to accomplish in chapter 8 if it's a non-conforming use or um that that parking is deemed conforming now if they take because of Section 8 now because of Section 8 you have a non-conforming
use so if you go to chapter eight even if they add a building if they add a building now we're looking at another that's where it it it that is not the the previous sh that's right so then they would be subject to the new
standards okay just so we're clear yeah but if for some reason that building um is vacant and then uh you know they come in and they want to do retail for six months well there is no because we do have language it says that it is deemed
conforming right I understand right it doesn't say six months right here or 180 days or three this is basically saying that everything is in is conforming that's more for business that's more for business
occupany yes i' clear that up for uh and the Lee Mr bagot if you could just elaborate that we did work on this one for quite some time just to make sure that none of our previous development orders or previously approved properties
don't come non-conforming from the day this is adopted yeah I think this was the best language that we had come up with after multiple tries we'll see how it pans out Marcel has a comment mayor Rich oh
question would you could please come to the lect turn please M Camper Mike says that uh shared parking will apply to commercial what on an issue sorry Marcel camblor uh for the record I just have a question because it's I hadn't seen this
language I just want clarification either from Jody or um Mr baggot it say it says uh any previously approved development application with an unexpired timetable so an unexpired
timetable ties an existing PUD to regulations prior to September 4th all regulations some regulations density regulations parking regulations
which regulations does this timetable apply to so your question is if you have a development I'm sorry if you have a development that was already approved and you have one more parcel
that needs to be approved or it needs to be constructed and you have a timetable right um it would be expired from as long as you have an unexpired timetable if it expired say two years from
now right but but my question is and I I get that and I agree with the language I'm not disagreeing but there it says uh I can't read um shall be conforming right so it could be like you
said a PUD has a portion that hasn't been built yet but doesn't have an expired timetable what is that conforming it's it'sing to your original P so whatever was approved at the time or vested at the time that is your
development order that you would follow and what about the parking that would be also U part of your development order everything would be vested everything is considered vested as prior to September 4th want to leave this super clear for
the record so that when puds come in we can quote this because this is really important language right and and Mr baggot can we confirm that warning yes well can we confirm it is Jody correct yeah I think that's what that's the
intent behind the language density intensity and parking right yeah as long as it was done before and it has an active correct on expired gotcha and and maybe you know maybe we can say all night but I do I'm thinking
of some of the ones post 2006 but some before because we did used to use shared parking because we were just allowed to use you know if we were able to communicate it but if somebody comes in in one of these approved puds and they change a use so
which happens a lot in the shopping centers they had a shared use parking analysis that balances out you know all of these different things so if somebody had a medical office or they had a restaurant and now it becomes something
different they still can make use of all of the tools that were in that PUD they don't now have to I I just want to clarify because that's one that I think you will see a lot of yes uh that that would be correct that that's the intent that is in in we wanted to make sure
because a lot of those puds do have a mixed share parking and they use the Nexus ratio as a as um the um it that's a lot of their analysis now if the use is not permitted within the Pud and now you're adding that use
that's another that's not a invested use at that time but most of the puds do have that huge table that does have the vested uses any other really the only element that was added to eight so any other questions regarding
this um is that correct Jody I I apologize I did not hear you was just that language and the board of adjustment ver is op yeah it's just um y it's just adding the definition for parcel and that is the end of this
ordinance okay only 10 o' good job Jody thank you thank you so much Jody and your other staff and and you have a new person you have a new police chief beside you I do he kept me
I feel very safe okay can we uh stick to the business for a few more minutes sorry I'll entertain a motion mayor I'd like to move approval on the I don't have the actual resolution
in front of me ordinance number 253 92025 beautiful W with removing the um ESN table and section 3 08 ESN 08 at the table removing section
3.2.3 permitted uses and then also the table that reference which is figure ESN d08 permitted uses in the East Stuart yep only yep es8 we have a motion by the vice mayor I'll second the motion we have a second by commissioner JY is
there any public comment not is there are there any further questions or concerns I would just like to make sure I'm sure you guys captured this sentiment but as soon as humanly possible to get a meeting scheduled for 10th Street to where we can review you you s u commissioner jobi
suggested a date of March 20th Jimmy Smith had thrown that out for a date that we could use that he reserved but I'm not not saying that's Community today for me it's the easiest thing because 10th Street already has it going on we all have schedu okay which is easy
and my schedule's open that day okay so if March 20th is available for everybody a time frame I do not know that we don't need to come back before we don't need a time right now do we or schedual 6:30 or 5:30 5 very popular 30 maybe even just carry it on five seemed to be very
popular or five I mean and and this is like a workshop yeah it's a work right the agenda you need to find a moderator good job oh thank you you don't feel like you could run well we
can I could but burn the midnight well let's think about that we can agree on the date and then decide on the format next oh let me look I'm looking at the I found the workshops work best when all the Commissioners are Moder okay um I'm
not talking about the big finger yeah Mr n please let's never hire him again what let's not hire him again we're there we're there to listen to them correct Mr and also explain talking as a moderator
oh so we'll think about it question I I I might have to be in I don't know that's a very busy time of the month say the 20th as possible I will the bull I know tomorrow M Thursday even okay sure Mike's listening and he can figure it
out see what he's saying Thursday March 20th right so it's a month not quite a month which is good we have a motion in a second seeing no further discussion from commission roll call please commissioner
Clark I on on ordinance 2539 yes ma'am yes commissioner goobi yes commissioner Reed yes vice mayor Collins yes and mayor Rich
no it's a 4-1 vote see no other items for our consideration this meeting is adjourned good job guys all right let's go