Okay. Okay. Call please here. Vice Mayor Collins here. Commissioner Clark here. Commissioner Gio here and Commissioner Reed here. Um even though this is not on the agenda,
there was a request made for an invitation. If there's no objection from any member of the commission, Commissioner We have Pastor James and we have Mr. Lewis. Pastor Eric Lewis
somebody volunteer brother Scott. Brother Scott from St. Brother, let us pray. Eternal master for all you many wonderful blessings. Thank you, Father, for this
beautiful day. God, we lift up this commission today. We pray for them and their families, Lord God. We pray for their minds that they would follow your path, that they would do what's right for the community. We pray for the community Lord that we would follow whatever your guidance is God and give
you all the glory for it's in Jesus's name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. by city commission. [Music] Uh yes, I don't time. I'd like to make a motion as I did at the last Stewart
meeting to allow the public to have four minutes and then also that they would have a Q&A that we would be going back and forth. We have a motion by Commissioner Joy Commission to the additional comments
last minutes. They were four minutes last each. It was four minutes last time and then they could come up again. So, okay. Well, I think that was
referring question four minutes and are you saying you can come up again or is it No, the fact that they, you know, normally we have where we're not answering the public, I think it's important for the public to hear us and have those changes. Thank you. Is there any public comment on that motion?
Seeing none, roll call, please. Commissioner Reed, yes. Commissioner, yes. Commissioner Clark, yes. Mayor Collins, yes. Mayor Rich, yes. Do you have any comments or is it just a motion? No, that was just a motion.
Just good to be here again. We're glad that people are are out have been around the community looking at what has happened and we are always out in the community. So it's just good to know that we are uh having
participation in this uh code change for uh Stewart. Mr. Vice [Music] Mayor used to it and you know one of the things
that I think adds context to what's going on Monday I received in our email box a letter of objection to what we're trying to accomplish here
with our code from Weaver Miller and Citing Odin Development, McCarti Investments and the Taylor Family Trust here with a lot of others.
I found this interesting because in December we got a similar type of objection letter to changes code from another entity called Ner
Enterprises from the same law firm. Nurus Enterprises happens to be and I'll bring this full circle so you know where I'm going with this. Nur Enterprises happens to
be run by owned by managed by Marcella Campbell. Marcella Campbell is an interesting name when we're talking about these Stewart changes. She's a developer that lives in series was very against some of the
recommendations we were making for code changes in our zoning in progress. But Marcela Camper's name doesn't end there. Last time I spoke about the East Stewart that made these changes to East
Stewart to take it from being a residential neighborhood to a mixeduse commercial district. Those changes happened in this sharet. If you go on the treasure coast regional planning website, it talks about some of the people who were
involved in that. The lead planner with our picture here was Marcela Campbell. So I just find it interesting that the same law firm
represented Marcel Campbour is also representing this developer is also representing development investments and Taylor. The changes that we are trying to make that we are proposing to make
with regard to the allowable uses for what can be built in Stewart can be summarized as do we want this to be a residential neighborhood or do we want this to be a primarily mixed
use and commercial neighborhood that allows buildings to go up to three and four stories potentially with nobody even being notified the changes that we are proposing here and this gets lost as we start arguing and we go on and
on the changes that we are proposing are requiring some of these more intested uses to trigger a conditional use process. What does that mean? That means that the
neighborhood would be notified of that development and we would have a public hearing and the neighborhood not only would be notified but could be input on whether or not they want a hotel on east on whether or not they want fourtory
mixed use project on whether or not you want apartments, four story apartments to be on that is what is currently zone and
we'll go into hopefully a lot of depth with that tonight. You'll see up here these green and purple lots. Anything that you see that is green and purple can be that kind of thing. 35 ft three story without anybody's
notification or permission or even input. So the changes that I would characterize the majority of this commission is trying to make that we've been advocating for is having those uses hotels in go through a conditional use
process so that at least the neighborhood can be made. So take that how you will with regard to who's representing different entities, but I was personally surprised and interested.
Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um I'm also glad to see so many of you back here this evening as well as the fact that we're sitting here ourselves listening. Um however, as I said, time I was here
over a month ago by myself. In my mind, this is just the beginning of the process and should be just and I would hope that as we have seen the strong interest and numerous discussions and conversations that had
consult and I especially like the one that we were not supposed to come to that there is a great deal of interest in understanding these issues and these are complicated issues. I [Music]
symp that's going to make it more time consuming, more difficult, and more expensive for those of you who live in East Stewart to build on your own property. Like I said, we've got everybody talking about it, and I think we should continue to take advantage of
that. So, listen. One thing we've accomplished is we get to dispel some myths about what's going on in the story. And this happens all the time. It actually happened this week. Few instances. On Monday at our meeting, the rumor got started in social
media about the Costco project that a stoplight was never planned for Caner Highway and you were taking criticism for that. Not true at all. going to be a stop there.
There was always going to be there was always going to be a stoplight there and we dispelled that rumor. Then the rumor got spirited somehow and on social media that the city was going to replace city hall with a hotel and a
garage. Well, that's I've never seen or talked about those plans with anyone. Um, and it's It's one of my big regrets is that we spend so much time up and talking about
things that are not true, particularly in the case of East Stewart. Um, the rumor got started that the city wanted to turn East Stewart into the Creek District. I've been sitting in these
meetings longer than certainly anyone up here except Mr. Mortell. I have never heard that said. I have never read that. I have talked to tens of people who have been involved in this process. None of them have any knowledge of that being a
goal. The new code, the form based code that was created for East Stewart and for the key creek district were created at the same time. We went through the same process over the same period of time. If the city had wanted them to be
one district, they would have made them one district. that wouldn't have separated them. The Creek District is a district. It's a commercial district. It's completely different to East Stewart. East Stewart
is a neighbor and that's the challenge we face with this with the decision we have to make here. So, um as I said, this really should be the start of it.
Someone someone gave me some information this week talking about communities that have been spending substantial sums of money to buy homes and convert them into affordable housing. Uh Spartanberg,
South Carolina has spent a great deal of money providing affordable housing through single family housing which is something that's come up here. There are many options available to us. And I think we should take the time to explore
them. And here's what I here's what I've learned. And this is this is a change of mind for me. I've changed my mind. If we don't come up with a plan for this neighborhood, if you don't come up with a plan for this neighborhood that you
buy into that makes sense to you that's going to provide you opportunity, then somebody else is going to come in and put something in place that we probably won't be that happy with. So that's a big job and I hope we
don't preclude those options by making decisions tonight that I don't think there's any we don't need to be in any rush to accomplish that. So, I look forward to hearing from you and again, thank you all for
coming. Mr. City Manager, do you have any comments? Um just briefly uh we do in fact receive correspondence from a firm uh representing appears to be three
families Stewart property owners and asking questions about um different proposals and the city the attorney and I had a telephone conference with them this afternoon as it related to that. One of the issues that was raised in the
letter was that the uh city commission had tabled and addressed um certain is issues as it related to parking density setbacks and other
things. And I just wanted to clarify or have the commission clarify uh the intention tonight so that the scope of the discussion uh stays consistent. The
It it appears that the issue that the commission intended to have outstanding is the conditional uses that would be um either part of that chart or part of
that, you know, whether you needed a conditional use hearing or not for certain uses in the community. It did not appear to me and I a was not present on the 24th to be a specific about it and discuss with
commissioners at the meeting. But it appeared that on the 24th the commissioners intended to resolve the issue of uh density and partners already and that you guys have moved on from
that and that the only thing remaining was additional use. I know you're saying that you guys can address it after my comments are finished. The only reason I say that is because I kind of reviewed the meeting from the last Stewart meeting. There's a lot of discussion
that was well way beyond that of the conditional use and was going into almost a fullon sharet or planning session for everything in East Stewart. And I open and welcome to the idea of, you know,
making changes and plans for East Stewart as the community sees fit. But I also think that it's important that we recognize what the scope of this meeting is and where you guys are going. And so I'd asked the commission to just verify for the for the residents here what that
issue is so that we can and I told the attorney that I was talking to today that we would do this. That's why I bring it up. Well, I think a second discussion
So for last time it's the conditional use chart the table table we were going through and then secondarily I I really would like to make sure that we do get feedback from who lives in the neighborhood with regard to item number
two which is street by street should these be residential um parcels or should this be commercial mixed use parcels most um focused on Bahama
Tarbon and then to the west of east and that triangle there and a texture that's a very open discussion you know it's a for us you'd like to separate those very clearly. The next phase that we
will be doing is meeting together to discuss those zoning changes. So, making sure we get feedback from who lives in the neighborhood while we're in the neighborhood very important. Well, let's talk about discuss
I I mean I think that we should keep it the way that we have it set up. that would be the logical thing to do it afterwards, but again based on what city manager has said and I know that we have to still hear from our city attorney. Um
I people were not I don't think people realize that all the changes that were proposed um during the zoning in progress that those were adopted on I think February 24th and the only thing was this limited um the two charts the
08 and the 09 the uses uh that were there and that's all that's there to be discussed with regard to East Stewart. Now, whether or not we have a valid ordinance because we adopted an ordinance with two tables pending, I'd
like to hear Mr. Bagot's take on that. And I think the residents, and I don't know what they'll say tonight, but when I've talked to people, people have said, and I know when I voted, I voted on behalf of E. Stewart to say, "Let's at least get some time to have more
discussion." But the the main thing that I wanted to do or wanted hope had happened was that we had taken the entire East Stewart code out of the vote and not just the two tables, the two charts. And I think people are still
asking for that. And I think we'll hear tonight what they're asking for, if they really want to take that out, keep it the way it is, and then let's literally go back and restudy this and see if we want the changes. I understand what
Commissioner Collins is saying. But that's not just how you say, "Let's make this commercial. Let's make this residential." This neighborhood has been here for a long time. It has gone through a lot of uses and people have been keeping things the way that they
are just to maintain the neighborhood. Yes, some of the commercial has gone away because after desegregation, a lot of the commercial wasn't needed, but there are people who still want to go back and redo and build a little bit of commercial and upgrade some things that
they have. So, it's important to give those considerations. So, of course, we'll hear from staff, but I really want Mr. Bagot to put into perspective. What is it in the ordinance that can we go back and pull out E
Stewart if we have a a a motion tonight to pull out E Stewart and say let's not not adopt these two tables along with what has been um previously adopted which is the density and the parking.
Those are the two big things that really affect this area. We didn't make parking. Okay. For the parking. Okay. So, so multif family would not be required to have the additional parking requirements. That's what we discussed is that that would not it was just
single family that we said for clarity. I want I don't know if the city attorney has it because I don't know that I recalled that. So if somebody came in and wanted to build a 10 unit apartment complex hold we are going to follow agenda as it is
written to make it less confusing. So we will progress it's specific to the chart item one will be read by Mr. We will have a presentation by staff and if there are questions of Mr. Martell
and Mr. Okay, hold on. I don't know where we're going with this. The these two meetings and these two were specific for this chart. This is not to unpack the entire zoning in progress in that that uh we did tonight
or else again this is the problem. We have an ordinance that needs to be completed. We decided to take the East Stewart portion out and come to East Stewart and talk about it which we have but to your point uh Commissioner Clark
the longer that we we do that it starts to create an issue with our orders. Okay. Mr. come to seek what the neighborhood wants. We're we're coming up to the progenda. But now we're talking about potentially unpacking the
entire zoning in progress tonight. That was not why we were here tonight. We're here to discuss this chart and allowable uses and then secondarily the zoning map changes for correct. We're on the approval of the agenda. Can I get a motion for the
approval of the agenda? Move approval of the agenda as published. We have a motion by Commissioner Clark. Just for clarification, I want to make sure we're all on the same page here. All you're doing is approving a written
right agenda. Thank you, Vice Mayor. So, we have a motion by Commissioner Clark, a second by the vice mayor. Let's do a roll call on this one. Mayor Rich, yes. Vice Mayor Collins,
yes. Commissioner, yes. Commissioner Re, yes. And Commissioner, yes. Okay. Now we have comment from the public on nonaggenda related items. So if you wish to address the
commission on issue not on item one or the DNS have nothing it's all related to Mr. Smith, do you wish to make a comment? Yes, sir. With regard to related commission and I just want to
take this time to uh to say that um the progress that Costco uh have made, how far we have came with improvement project. cost to return. We
agreed with NWACP hiring um people with small records. Uh they have hired quite a bit from Martin County. They had a bombard close about 15,000 application. Uh we have been Joe Cooper and I worked
to get a lot of that's in our community that fill our application to look closer to their application and a lot of them have been hired. Uh they begin to open up the 25th of this month. Uh I think it going to be a great thing for the city
of Stewart city. You can see every day they come out of people that that was against it. The project are there supporting it now. They have became great membership of M County outstanding and less than a little bit of time. all
of uh communities and I want to thank the commission and also the people that support that because it give us jobs matter of fact people from the community you can walk there want to work it's it's a lot of benefits some of the best benefits that a company can get done in
the public done in Sams and uh also it's health benefit small business here in in the city of Stewart like me I'm a small business owner and I travel to Palm Beach kind of s county shop uh wholesale. So I look at that to
communion. Some might not agree. I heard you saying earlier about the stop line that uh if you go over there, take a look, go just for the community and see how beautiful it is. Over 4 something million landscape. Uh it just awesome.
Awesome. uh before we get into the partners, but just to see what it's going to bring to the city of Stewart and the revenue that it will draw. People are very excited. Uh you I spent days over there just seeing the change of people that their faces uh uh from
the islands to less to uh uh uh uh you name all sorts of people like uh just looking at. So, uh, to the community, I want I want to say something that on the agenda, but I I agree on that. But I just want to commend you to still work
hard together. I know that a lot of you you you have disagreements from the way you see things, but we in front of a lot of people that are trusting you in their hands. And I hope you all can can be the example. Set the example for this
community and how you community. Are you professional? Vote you in and set that straight. If you got some differences in another way, don't do it in the front of these people and have them concerned where we at war.
Uh we are going to come to agreement disagreement but do we real disagreement matter respect and I just pray that y'all just continue to work with love uh just a job and the people caring for you do a great job. I want to thank you very
much. Um, I just wanted to address the vice mayor's comments. First, he called my family land barons tonight. He is insinuating that because of the law firm that we selected, we have some type of underlying motives. To be clear, what
our goal is is to preserve our rights as property owners and individuals who are genuinely concerned about Eastwood. Despite your insinuations, it does not take away from the firm's findings which are legitimate and show numerous
statutory violations. Thank you. I would just ask in your comments that you not address members of the commission individually. Any of us sitting up here, we all sit up here together. We just address. Thank you.
Um, any other comments? Any questions? I have three more that don't have anything. So, I'll just Okay. [Music] Davis. Okay. Next one. Item two. Item two. And
Emma Okay. Mr. Bag, will you please read item one for consideration? Ordinance number 25392025, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Stewart, Florida, amending and restating the city's land development code. Chapter 2,
zoning districts uses allow density intensity. Chapter 3, special zoning codes. Chapter 5, resource protection related development standards. And chapter six, on-site and offsite development standards, which were determined during the zoning in progress
under section 1.04. 04.04 Stewart land development code providing for conflict providing for codification providing for an effective date and for other purposes what we have a motion motion you want okay go ahead sure I'll
make a motion no that's right let's have presentation Sure. I I I don't think we have a formal presentation for item one. We do have one by staff or two, but I I do want to discuss some of the things in item one because I've been asked a lot of
questions in the comments section. So, um back in February 24th, we had voted on majority of the proposed changes to the land development code. And it was my understanding that we were uh
tableabling and pulling out um to be to be brought to E Stewart section 3.03 03 permitted uses and and in that section there is the bigger ESN 08 chart on permitted uses in the Eastwood
neighborhood and that is where things were previously previously uses were were proven as a matter of right and then you were changing them to conditional use on everything single family. Um and that's what I stated on the record at that time. However, when
we did get here, it seemed that the discussion went beyond conditional use and went to lots of things lot including a lot of the change other changes made to the East Stewart neighborhood. So, um there was confusion on even on my part
the law firm letter pointed out that confusion. So, I think it does need to be clarified by the board today. What what what did you mean? Is it just the uh section and chart that I mentioned on the permitted uses versus uh that are
conditional uses now or have we opened it back up the proposed changes that were the other proposed changes that were done to East Stewart neighborhood? Before we go there, but I wanted to point out two things I had put
on in front of you. One of the issues raised by the law firm um kind of pointed out a scrier's error in u the East Stewart neighborhood under a different chart and it would be the East Stewart neighborhood number nine chart. And this is where we had changed the
minimum lot size to 6,000 square ft. And and I I play I I made I hand it out before the meeting got started. So, you should have it in front of you and it's just a one-page uh excerpt of that chart in front of you. And I sat down with
staff including the city manager and we had come up with a a new u proposed language for footnote number one at the bottom of that charter error that we had in the original uh proposed amendment. And so
we wanted we are suggesting and proposing that the footnote one under this chart be corrected because it was a criminal error on our part and it should read all existing parcels with assigned parcel ID numbers as of September 4th,
2024 shall be conforming and exempt from the minimum parcel size requirement for single family homes in single family duplex business mixed use and general residential office district any parcel
or subdivision after stand up sir because you're not loud at the speaker your microphone closer I can't hear you any created parcel or subdivision after September 4th 2024
must comply with the minimum parcel size requirement set forth herein The same scrier's error was also contained in section 2.0401 in which it was the chart for the rest of Stewart where we were changing
the minimum block size to 6,000 square ft for R2 and R3 districts. We we have almost identical language proposed in footnote under table five and it's under
footnote and it's referenced as three stars and it should read we're proposing that it should read as follows. All parcels assigned a parcel ID number as of September 4th, 2024 shall be conforming and exempt from the minimum
parcel size requirement for single family homes in R2 and R3. Any newly created parcel or subdivision after September 4th, 2024 must comply with the minimum parcel size requirements for So again, these are two scriers errors.
They're not um they're not They're not part of what's being discussed tonight, but they were raised in the attorney's objection letter, and I thought it was a good time that we bring it before you uh to address these firmware errors. And as I
read the language, both myself and other staff members involved are recommending that this change the footnotes for both of those charts. Um, and then also getting back to my previous comment, I think it needs to be clarified. Are we
only uh here to continue voting on the uh the permitted uses in East Stewart or is it more than that? So you're saying any motion that's made it needs to be quite specific. Well,
this it's also I don't think it there's any ambiguity as it relates to the balance of the city steward. Like I agree with Commissioner Collins that the intention is not to reopen the entire zoning in progress and go back to the whole thing. The question was the
commission had discussions and said we are going to have this meeting at the city of Stewart to discuss what is going to happen to the city of Steuart or East Stewart and therefore we're going to table the conditional uses until we get
to the East Stewart workshops. But did that also table the other elements that being the density and um another example would be well you said parking but I think you exempted the parking out but another example is
you guys addressed the minimum lot size but then you made all of the existing parcels compliant. So technically that issue in my mind is resolved by that solution and anybody that has a is
compliant. Um but again the way that the discussion was is that was that the commissioners all said we're going to hold off on the East Stewart issue until we get to East Stewart. But did it mean all of these issues or was it just the
conditional use charter? Yeah. question. Does anybody else have a question? Is your motion going to you going to make a motion? You wish to ask a question? No, no, I'll
listen to his motion, but I just know that uh we took those two things out. And my question to Mr. be it again is even though we adopted the rest of the zoning in progress when these two tables are tied to the East Stewart code I
think that the East Stewart code should not have been adopted peace meal until all of this was settled and it was put out and I think that it's not an ordinance it's not a full ordinance at least with regard to the respond to that.
First off, it's it's one chart and it's the figure ESN which stands for East Stewart neighborhood 08 permitted uses in the East Stewart neighborhood. That was the only chart and commissioner Clark you were referencing two charts. So, I was under the impression that was
the only chart that was tabled and it's a long chart, but it has to do with all the u permitted uses whether or not they're going to be permitted by right or by conditional use. Um, however, it seems that you were even confused as thinking
that the rest of this stuff in East Stewart was open back up for discussion. So, that's why I think we need clarification from the board as to what is still outstanding and what we need to address. Well, apparently Mr. Martell was also confused and likewise the
attorney was no evidence we were we were contacted and this issue was raised. So we're simply trying to resolve raising it to make it clear on the record that we addressed it. Mr. Mayor um M attorney
attorney I I unless staff is not going to present this but I'm pretty sure that staff has some we have some changes to the 09 and I thought that there was 08 but you're saying I think did you just
say 08 or 09 correct 08 I I I went before you um with two charts one of them was 09 where I mentioned that I that we had made a scrim error in footnote one of chart 09. But I didn't mean that that was um what was to
be discussed tonight. So we have 08 and 09 with a scrib's error. No no no 09 was a scrib error. 08 you specific. Thank you. I think it can get a little too
technical here because the purpose here is some feedback from the neighborhood people who live here. Um, as a leadup to my motion, I I really tried to take the comments that happened at the last meeting and process that
into what could we do. And to Miss Kim's point, something that's more reasonable, something that's more moderate, that doesn't feel as extreme. As far as I can tell, and I'm sure you can tell me in the comments if I'm way off, one of the main issues is the
height. you know, do we want to have 35 foot and 40 foot structures in each three and four story buildings? And as far as I can tell from the people who live here, that's not what we're necessarily interested in. But at the same time, we don't want to spite the
ability of property owners to develop and have commercial and and business opportunities for people who live in sewer. So, I'm trying to balance that. And I don't know if if you're able to
look at this uh chart at the same time, could you pull up the yes chart? But um would you like to make a presentation? No, just put it in the context of emotion in the context of so what I'm speaking to you can be
visualized. But when I was going through these various uses um that can happen on the parcels that's what we're discussing on parcels in East Stewart what can we build single family
duplex multif family ADUs you know mixed use I'd prefer paint if we have a motion and then we can hear from the public I know I'm just communicating I'm trying to communicate the nature of what I'm proposing so we're all so We all can
even speak to it. Okay. Um, hotels, bed and breakfast, adult daycare. It seems like the type of issues that we really want to make conditional use and again meeting that would trigger it coming in front of the community, right? Would be
the larger scale things. Hotels mixed use, right? Being three and four story. An excuse whenever you hear that is coffee shop, sushi bar, burger joint, apartments, apartments kind of
like aa or city place. Okay, if that and I'm not advocating for that right now today for clarification that this is a point that I think got lost right now. The way the code sits for your
neighborhood is that can be built today. that got changed in ' 04 without necessarily everybody fully understanding what was happening. It went from a predominantly residential
neighborhood with some commercial zoning on east to almost the entire neighborhood being zoned. Mr. Please have a motion. Let me speak. Please speak all you want when we have a motion. Let me speak. being code for
commercial and business. So a lot of people don't realize that that's how the code sits today. So what we're saying, what I'm proposing tonight is that for the parcels that are to remain business, commercial, and
mixed use type parcels that any of these uses, I'm going to read them off, that will inevitably be three and fourtory structures that those would stay in the conditional use process.
meaning meaning you would be notified and you could have input on whether or not it happens right now you have zero input and you will not be notified proposing I don't understand you're talking specifically about the table we're here to discuss correct make
a motion otherwise we're not moving forward this discussion just make a motion I'm trying to explain what you will have every opportunity to explain I don't understand. Okay. So, I would like to make a motion that within the
ESN chart and do you would you like me to also include the the scrier's errors or is that something? Yes. And then the mentioned scriveners errors. Oh, no. And this is table five. and table five
of 20401 for the record. Beautiful. All right. So, I'd like to make a motion [Music] that keep under the conditional use process and I'm going to list off the uses.
Multifamily, which is apartments. To be able to do that, you got to call the neighborhood. You're going to do apartments. mixed use, which is that three and four story stuff. If you're going to do that, you have to tell the neighborhood. You have to let everybody know hotels and
motel, bed and breakfast, which I'm not sure, but I think could potentially be a larger structure. So for safety, right? Governmental buildings. If the city of Stewart were to buy a parcel and want to build a 35t tall thing on this uh
assisted living facilities, these are structures that can often be very tall. Banks, financial institutions, bars, which is already bars is already under conditional use. Office, business, professional, medical
or veterinary. So office buildings, right? rooftop dining which is currently in the conditional use, theaters, public facilities, public utilities, uh telecommunication towers, and then government parking
garages or private parking garages. If that's going to happen any steward that the neighborhood should be notified and have so that would be those uses would be included in conditional use. What would now be excluded as a part of this motion, right? And what can be still
built by a right be single family. This is perhaps an easier no longer. These would no longer be uh conditional use. Single family, single family, duplex, ADUs, family daycare, home occupation, room and
boarding houses, adult daycare, child care centers, community centers, funeral homes, uh, libraries, museums, religious institutions, schools, art shops and galleries, barber shops, beauty salons, catering shops, clubs, fraternal
organizations, massage therapy, micro brewery, are already under conditional use. So that would I would for the motion I would want that to remain conditional use because it's a bar in a Christian neighborhood. Um restaurants,
convenience and general stores would not be under conditional use. Retail, studio art, dance, public parks, community gardens, and urban farms. So I just have to click on that. So I got it all with the exception I
started losing track of the excluded a little faster than it is on paper. So I think that that does a reasonable job of hedging the neighborhood to be made aware of these types of uses that they're going to have here without the
the appearance of blanketly making it more restrictive which was the feedback I got at the last meeting. So that way we can all have input if it's something that's going to be tall and intensive and then some of these other uses like barber shops and general you
know retail like local that's doesn't have to be three or four story there's nothing in the way of that being able to be developed reference to his motion yes okay is there I second the motion with the understanding that
the community will have full explanation as to the current by right versus what is being proposed. Thank you. So I have a motion by the vice mayor, a second by commissioner go. Is there public comment?
Madam clerk. First one is Kimberly. [Music] I knew public comments try to give some context. So it's not Mayor Rich just so there's clarity that we so
the only issue that's outstanding is the conditional use charge 08. Yes. I just wanted to just to clarify we are not talking about 09 or 08 08. We are not talking
about discussion regarding proposed zoning map changes. That is a completely separate issue. But but the other issue that I asked to be clarified was are we only discussing is the only thing open left is is figure
ES8. Yes. The vice mayor's motion. So that's all we have discussed. Correct. Yes. Sorry. No, that's okay. A lot of the issues
have Kimberling, 5772 Southeast 47th Avenue. A lot of the um points that were brought out by our attorney were addressed um just now. I'm just going to go through the preliminaries. Um good afternoon, Mr.
Mayor, commissioners other as many of you know me and a number of land owners sent you a letter and you'll have received a letter from our attorney regarding this matter. I'd like to provide a copy um enter public record. There are many constituents who
believe that the policies that are being proposed will have adverse effects on the east community such as restrict housing choice, increase displacement and unintentionally contribute to gentrification. the very outcomes we are all trying to avoid. Um, additionally,
as property owners who have deep ties to the east community, these policies will diminish our rights under the guise of protection. For these reasons, we felt compelled to seek legal counsel. I'll respect the time. I'm just going to provide a few of the highlights. Um,
Florida statute states in relevant part, all land development regulations enacted or amended shall be consistent with the adopted comprehensive plan or element or portion thereof. Florida statute also states after a comprehensive plan is adopted by the governing body, no land
development regulation, land development code or amendment there too shall be adopted by the government government body until such regulation code or amendment has been referred either to the local planning agency or to a separate land development regulation
commission for review and recommendation as to the relationship of such proposal to the adopted comprehensive plan or element or portion thereof. Additionally, Florida statute states a land development regulation shall be consistent with a comprehensive plan if
the land uses, densities or intensities and other aspects of development permitted by such regulation are compatible with and further the objectives, policies, land uses and densities or intensities and
comprehensive plan and if it meets all the other um criteria enumerated by the local government. The pending amendments violate these fundamental statutory requirements as do the amendments adopted by ordinance number 28539-2025. Florida statute permits a
substantially affected person to challenge within 12 months of adoption any land development regulation on the basis that it is inconsistent with the local comprehensive plan. Several dock owners are prepared to file a petition
to challenge this ordinance and append amendments if adopted. This ordinance also recognizes in the first whereas clause that Florida statutes also requires the city of Sto to adopt or amend and enforce land development regulations that are consistent with and
implement the city's comprehensive plan. Yet the record confirms that this ordinance and the pending amendments were drafted based on the direction of the city commission without any supporting staff analysis evaluating whether the reference code amendments would be consistent with the
comprehensive plan and prior to the local planning agency considering whether the amendment should be consistent with a comprehensive plan. This also um violates Florida statute. This ordinance and the pending amendments in or inordinately burden the
lot owner's properties and adversely affect the lot owner's private property rights. The law owners are prepared to exercise their legal remedies including but not limited to filing claims pursuant to the Burj A Caris Act in order to protect their property rights
and obtain compensation from the city for the reduction in fair market value that will result from this board. That's just a little bit more. Um, it is also evident that the city has inappropriately targeted the East Store community and East store property owners
by selectively adopting land development regulations designed to restrict their property rights that are not otherwise applied to other areas of the city, particularly as related to allowing only single family dwelling with you. Since mail in motion
as permitted uses and requiring conditional use approval for all other uses, property owners are prepared to seek legal remedies to protect their civil rights in addition to their property rights if the city does not respond appropriately to their objections. In closing, the lot owners
would prefer to resolve their objections by engaging with the city commission, city attorney, and city manager in a constructive approach rather than pursuing legal remedies to ensure that each steward and their properties in particular are regulated in a fair
manner that protects property rights and impulse the requirements of the comprehensive plan. Thank you. [Applause] Paul I'll be good. I want to apologize for my behavior last
time. I was a little in tempmperate. It was late. Oh, trust me. But tonight um it's a pecar's um 600 Southeast 10th Street.
It's it's of a peculiarity that I maybe somebody can clarify for me. Are there any threetory buildings in East as we see because there seems to be a problem with heights? Yes, there is. Scott Mansion is a threetory and there's there's another threetory in East. So you're incorrect
about that. And the city of Albuqua, the award-winning city of Albaka, has had probably 18 different recognized planning awards. Is there a problem? Why do we keep disparaging our neighbor city as if what they've done there with their
front porches and their, you know, mixed uses? Why are we disparaging that city and making it seem as if that's a bad thing to happen in a town in a in a community that already has mixed us as a part of its character? Why? Why are we nobody?
Let him finish his comments, please. So, you know, I'll have further comments later on in a separate time. My thought process is simply this. If you didn't follow the prescribed procedure that cities are supposed to follow in amending your comprehensive
plan before you can change any others that everything that you've done everything that you've done in in in this zoning in progress not only for East Stewart but for everywhere else is is for not because you didn't provide
any of those other communities with substantial analysis. that demonstrates why you needed to have these regulations changed and you first needed to change the comprehensive plan. Every single person who chooses to
violate that is individually liable. Individually liable because I'm sure Mr. Mag advis you accordingly. I I I will not I I know this ma'am. You cannot tell me that he didn't tell you that you're violating the procedures and
and prescript prescribed process that you're supposed to go through in order to change these plans. So my encouragement, my ask tonight is simply this and I'll sit down after this is to please reverse everything that you've done, everything with respect to zoning progress. Every single one of us
taxpayers to to paying out more money to support lawsuits that are going to come flying at you that we don't deserve to pay for. Please remove those. Thank you. Holmes. Craig Holmes. Mr. Holmes.
Mr. Okay. Sir, can you introduce yourself and your address, please? Johnny Bell, 914 Southeast Hall Street. Um first of all I don't know where to start but uh there's so many things here
now I've been in involved in the process of the reszoning of and as I can remember and let me get it correctly we were first approached by the development department I think her
name is uh Mrs. is uh Jessica Seymour. She made a presentation to this community of the zone change. We rejected it. The form base code. She came back. She made
adjustments. Form base code from A1A to top. We reluctantly accepted that. The next and all those notification came through the mail. The next one was a presentation at city
hall and Miss Seymour made the presentation and in that presentation she said there would be commercial down Topbon and I questioned her. I said when did Top Baron become commercial past Church Street? You remember that right?
And Mr. Motel jumped in and explained it the meeting was cancelled. Now me or this community have never gotten a notice of another meeting. I was informed by the first time I got
up to speak I did not know the zone change have been changing the story. I never got a notification. Did anybody else? No. that there were no notifications and I was informed that in
2023 the Eastwood urban code was appealed and gotten rid of and you instilled a form based code. No notification. Why no notification? Why we wasn't why the community wasn't informed of this? How
how you you violating a lot of things right here. What can somebody explain to me why we busting [Music] for we going to leave it at that but we have a lot of complaints and you
throwing this new code with all these conditions that's just a bandaid this community wants to go back to the code that we adopted yes and we have entered into and that's accept nothing else you you have
I disrespected this community. So, Mr. I can I mentioned this before, but we I voted on forb code was one of the first things I did when I came in before I fully understood even what I was
voting. And as I had to understand what I was voting on. It's why I'm being so adamant about trying to clean this up. Thanks to you, you brought it to our attention. We would have known the code. I can tell you I regret that I did that and I'm trying to do everything I
can to make it right. The first part of of this discussion is trying to make sure everybody is aware of what we're going to build over here once proposed and can have input. The second part, number two, is going through the map and
having everybody here say that should be residential or that should be mixed use that should be commercial. But my thing to you is we already have that code. If you go back to the original code, we won't have to go through these changes here. What you're talking about, if you go back to the East River code, it's
spelled out exactly what this community want. Now, you have a little problem on East Avenue, but it can be tweaked. It can be tweaked. Uh right now this community don't need no commercial visitors. We need we need places to stay.
But historically black community now it is not all black anymore. It's very diverse. We have everybody living in here right now and they and they love that area. But we want to keep these student a community and it's not a commercial district. Amen.
Mr. Johnny Rose, Paul Gloria Howard say it all for me. [Applause] Marina, no comment at this time. I agree with
what Mr. Bell has said. Uh, no comment. I agree with Mr. Dun. Derek Lewis, I agree with Mr. Brother Bell. Lewis, I agree with Mr. Bale. Thomas I agree with Mr. Johnny Bell
Joanne Thomas I agree with Mr. Bale Tracer Peterson. Oh boy. It's a fulltime job dealing with the city. Good evening, board commission, commissioners, and city
mayor and city manager. My name is Rodick Peterson. I want to thank you. I want to thank you. I want to thank you commission re commission
confusion confusion I believe in development it's how you develop and for the confusion that for this community has always been is from this community these people
has blood and work in this community. I only been in this community for 12 years, but I know the families in this community. My family was born and raised in this community, but I'm trying to understand why would you change this
community? Why? Seriously, why you're not changing Cooper Creek? You're not changing Cooper's Creek and this community was here before that. I have seen all the documents and this land was no but dirt. It's nothing
but a hole. But but they built out of that dirt over 100 years. Over 100 years. Where's the symphony? Where's the sympathy? None. We all grown here. We educators.
There a lot of there's a lot of educators, developers, builders. Where are we right now? Is it that important to change this community? Is
it nobody talking about taxes? Yeah. Yeah. Can we speak about taxes? you have [Music] anything what it consists of threetory
building on MLK just okay let's speak about Willie Gar's property that y'all bought is that taxable in this unit accessessible not by the city
so it's no it will never be consist of tax assessible in this unit won't be tax. No. So, do y'all have a outlook of taxes if anybody even build in here if they go up on East
Avenue, Central Avenue, MLK, anything? A tax assessment. What it might what it might be the I'm just I'm just asking the board. Do you have a outline? The Martin County Property Appraiser sets the valuation of
property. The city of Stewart doesn't value any or set any values on property. The Martin County property appraiser sets the valuations and appraisal values or assess values of property and the tax collector obviously collects the taxes.
The city of Stewart has a five millage rate tax to operate the entire city. that tax for the general fund are taxes that are assessed across the whole city from almost Jensen Beach Boulevard to almost Indian street and everywhere in between and the car dealerships and the
movie theaters and the restaurants and all the commercial activities and everybody pays their taxes and then the whole city the monies are distributed throughout. So as it relates to the Gary property in East Stewart not being
taxable, it doesn't matter because East Stewart's expenses are paid from the whole, not from the individual. So So we're this this community is governed. It's zoned out. It's not It doesn't have a separate taxing district. It doesn't have a
separate anything. It's all We're all part of the same place. We're all So we're connected. We're we're just Yeah, we just have a different We have a nickname for our neighborhood. Okay. Well, over there we come to a resolution of u to go back to like Mr. Be cuz it's
always been a community. We were not back like 60 years ago. It has changed. I know it. But I know in the past 50 years that I've noticed the only two establishments that I have known was the Gary property
and the school um Virgin Wall was the only and this place here being redone or whatever has been changed. Everything else just you know a couple homes coming up by you know from other agencies and stuff like that. But I'm just trying to understand is that we need just keep it
at what it was. That's all we say. I'm with Okay, just just to be clear, not I don't want to interrupt you, Mr. Brick, but we are voting just
on putting additional use on certain rights to build single family homes to build. We're not talking this first quote this evening is not on zoning changes. It's not on turning parks. That's not what we're talking
about. You're filtering to say you didn't say this to everybody else. Let me speak. Okay. Respect. Respect me now. Right now you disrespecting me. You didn't say that to nobody else. Don't do that to me. Okay. Just make that clear now. You've been disrespecting me a little bit too long
now. You don't have to like me, but what you need to do is respect me. That's it. Okay. Thank you. [Music] I want I want y'all to hear this. Y'all see this here?
This is a 16. This is a tractor trailer. This is a tractor trailer on my street. First thing in the morning, 7 something in the morning. attract the trailer from the governor company. The governor
company is out there without the community consent. And this is what Commissioner Collins is letting us know. Anything here right now without our consent. This tractor traveler was first
thing 7 something in the morning to the other place passed by my house. Yesterday I went to check on my neighbor. What's down there on my street? Another tractor trailer. Just so happening, he ran up in
the yard trying to turn a corner. A tractor trailer don't have no business in a residential community. Right now, you can see a monster in my yard right now where he ran up in my yard.
that because people right now we don't have no say of what's going on in this community as they say highrise can go up right now we don't need that as as Johnny said this is a resident community
now you said earlier that you heard about combine the creek district and he stood Yeah. Well, I like to be I like to let you know something that was said cuz I was in the meeting. You weren't in
that meeting about four people in here that was in that meeting. Commissioner Clark, Mr. Martell, which was the city attorney at the time, probably Mr. Tom McBride and myself. And the study was to combine the
Creek District and Eastwood together. That's what was said and the only people the only people spoke against that he said now one of them and that's Pete Boston and myself rest we stated that that was
wrong that was disrespectful to the east community to combine a business district with a resident community that was said I was there in that meeting that that was the whole goal is to combine
the Creek District and Easter together. Well, lo and behold, if you can remember, Commissioner Clark, that particular Saturday, what happened? The city trolleys took from the Creek District
and came over to East Stewart. So, don't tell me that was the goal. That was the whole goal at that meeting that I was there to provide the creek district business district and each together a residential community. That's
what we say. I was there wasn't there I was there commissioner clock m and and Montel was a city of dream at the time. So that was the whole key is to combine the two together. You
wouldn't do that to Krueger Creek, Dolphin, Madison. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that. We are being disrespected. Now, when we confronted you all, and it wasn't
just Mr. Bale and myself, we had others together and we confronted y'all about letting us know what's going on. We never got no response. We did our thing and we said that we did not want
to form base co just told you all we didn't want that but you did anyway but now when the community is confirming you all now you want to bring it to the community when
you should have did that the first time. That's being a hypocrite. That's being a hypocrite. Now, we told y'all on New Day meetings here, meetings at city hall that we didn't want the farm base code cuz that
was spread out justification. But you did it anyway. When we told y'all we didn't want it, but now you want to come here and have a meeting. Again, I say that's hypocritic.
Now, when we had that meeting and I was up there with the bright line and a lot of people were speaking for East Stood because of what that would do to East Sto and no disrespect, Commissioner Clark, but I
went home and I don't like technology, but I went home and I watched that meeting and I was upset when they comment said if the taxes is going up where he stood. So be it. But see the thing you
need to understand, we live here. No disrespect to you. You don't. We live here. And to make that type of comment, that is disrespectful to us. When I look at the Garrett
property, that's in the charade. When I look at the charity, that's in char. And that's coming. And I heard Bernice make the comment the last meeting was here. The teleprompter is in
the charade. And see that's coming. But see that was the whole plan to harass her. And that's when a lot of stuff happened in here. Next thing you know, people get harassed. Then the property is torn
down. Now I have some questions here. The city purchased Wales Fargo that was around about what? $7 million. Someone correct me. $7 million.
You paid for that. $7 million. Do anybody know the plan is what what Fargo going to be? That's where the city hall is tempting to be at. Well Fargo right now. Excuse me. Your time is up. You're
on a separate issue. No, you have the right to come back and speak again for an additional four minutes after everybody has had one their opportunity. Can I ask him a question? You certainly may. Would you clarify what you're saying? My point is is to let the community know
that's why I'm here. I have a responsibility from God. See, my responsibility from God as a minister is to put others before me. See, I have a home, but I want other people to have somewhere to live. Cuz because of the
city, people is on the streets right now. I see this every morning. People is on the streets cuz they don't have nowhere to stay. That's my concern. And like Johnny said, we want this to be a residential community. We don't need no
commercial here. And my point in pointing these things out, Commissioner K, you paying $7 million for a building. No housing. Two streets
downtown to put the cable underground. Almost $12 million. Two streets downtown. Almost $12 million. You got from the from the Florida
FOC you got for what $4.8 million for the Gary. Has that been used? What's the purpose of that 8 4.8 grant that you got for the Gary property? Thank you Mr. Gary property. It will be used to
construction project which is not going to benefit the community. also respect it's not going to benefit the Eastern community. So I'm pointing all this money out is nothing is going in the Easter community. See
you all need to understand we are a liability to the city. So the city is not going to put nothing in this community. Why? Because they want develop to come in and the developer come in you are out here cuz as it says
we taxes. Thank you. Mr. We need we let everybody go for 10 minutes. He can have my three minutes. You can come back as many times as you want, but everybody gets an opportunity
to speak first. I would like an opportunity to just briefly address some of the things that were brought up so I can provide some clarity. Um, but first I I I hear you kind of in a reverse order. The last thing you said was talking about the Wells Fargo. You said that you don't
want any commercial in East Stewart, but Mr. Bell's property is commercial. There's a barber shop and a daycare. That property is commercial. So if we made everything residential, Mr. Bell's property would be illegal and we don't
want to do that. So that is to stay commercial cuz it always was commercial. In the 1960s, East Street was a commercial corridor. It wasn't let him respond to you and then you may respond to him. I'm just trying
to find out. Do you want no commercial any? You're saying take all the commercial seem like you're trying to insult me. Not at all. You know, you know what? You know what Mr. is here and we on the same page that we what's here
is here. So you know that's not so everything that's already zone commercial like Gutters should say it's been zone commercial since 1968. Okay. If you want to go there let's go
there. Let's go there. It was zone commercial but it was zoning for nothing that's here or now. It wasn't on for no gun. As matter of fact, that was a historical building and nobody knows now. Historical building. The truck that drove past your house wouldn't make a
difference whether it was a gunner business or a yo-yo business. It was commercial. And how did it become that? Because we should have been notified. It wouldn't have happened in a white neighborhood. You know why? It would have never happened in a white neighborhood. Let's be honest. It
wouldn't have never happened in a white neighborhood. It was actually on Seminal Street before it moved there and it been on Seminal Street at 34 seminal for 10 years and it was also on Dixie Highway before that. So actually it was but I
I'm speaking of stood when it would happen in my neighborhood business was on street. Okay. Would it would it would it would it been allowed on Kruger Parkway? Absolutely not. It wouldn't happen. All due respect, it wouldn't
have happened on Google because commercial. Thank you. A historic building. We wasn't notified. I'm thinking to get put up next and then in my neighbor it basically hurt her back. No respect for the people in the community. And and I
understand your concern about that, but the city doesn't have the right to tell a person what they can and can't do with their property. If it's zone commercial, a person that owns the property has the legal right to do commercial activity on the property. We don't have the ability
to come in and say, "No, you can't do commercial activity on that property because it would be a taking. It would be we'd be taking their rights away." Okay, Mr. Mart, we we just don't go on that. I do recall that meeting and I was present with M. walls as well. And what
the discussion was is that Jessica from the Tres Coast Regional Planning Council had been working on two independent overlay zones. One was the East Stewart overlay zone and one was the Creek District overlay zone. And there was a series of meetings being scheduled. And
the discussion was we should combine the two and have one meeting. And the answer was no. Don't combine them because it'll become too confusing. We need to have two separate meetings. One for the East Stewart overlay zone and one for the Creek District overlay zone. It wasn't
to combine the two communities. You'll never find any documentation that anything was written for them to be the same community. It was to just have the meeting at the same time to discuss the two overlay zones that the city had hired the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council to actually present and
go through the community to do the community outreach. It took a year and a half to go through both of them at the same time. And at the end, what happened was that both meetings were getting ready to be scheduled at the same time and they weren't. But the little tour on
the golf cart was scheduled to do the reviews of both. So that weekend they did the reviews of both. Then pursuant to everyone's wishes, the two meetings didn't happen. The meetings didn't get combined. They were held as two separate
meetings and ultimately the city commission adopted the East Stewart overlay zone and adopted the Creek District without any merging or tenant connection between the two at all. Again, I I agree that that happened
in 2023. And I hear what the community is saying is that you'd like us to reverse and rescend the East Stewart overlay zone and you don't care about the Creek District because it doesn't apply. M this what you did here after
that meeting, Pete Watson came up to me and his exact word here is wrong or what they trying to do to you all. That's what he said to me after that meeting. So now maybe he meant he didn't think Steuart overlay something the
conversation was combined. That's what I heard. I was there. That what was said and he came from the meeting. He can show the documents that were never combined. Go ahead and finish what you're going to say. I'm taking what he came to me and said and then going back to the 2002
Shiraet. I also agree with you that the Taylor property was featured, the Gary property was featured, and the Cherokee property was featured. But there's a misunderstanding as to what the city's role is in development. The city doesn't
do development. The city doesn't come in and develop apartments at the Taylor property. That's a private property. The sharet the sharet was a visioning workshop where the members of the community of East Stewart came forward
and said this is what we would like to see in the future. This is what we want East Stewart to look like in the future. And then the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council took all of that information from everybody and wrote the East Stewart urban code based upon what
everybody said they wanted to see. So that if the Taylor property wanted to come forward with multif family in that location, if that was the vision of it, that the code would allow that to happen and so that there could be mixed use on East Street. But the problem was when they wrote that mixed use on East
Street, the way it was written created confusion and it said everything on East Street had to be mixed use. And so it said that if somebody wanted to come in and just do two apartments, they couldn't because they had to add a drugstore or they had to
have a commercial thing. Or if somebody wanted to come in and just do a drugstore, they couldn't. They had to put an apartment upstairs. So one of the things that the city came in to fix was to say, look, nobody intended that every single property have to have both commercial and residential on any
street. What the intention was during that 2002 cheret for the residents of East Stewart was that they wanted East Street to have the ability to be a bustling neighborhood that had both residential and commercial activities
and that people could have businesses on the street, but they could also have residential on the street. And if someone wanted to have both a business and residential on the same property, they could do that as well. It wasn't to restrict anybody. It was to help. And we
didn't have no problem. We made that perfectly clear. And so, but we didn't we didn't do anything to I know the the McMahon uh property was demolished, but it wasn't because the city did it. It
was because it didn't meet the building code any longer. It was because the building inspector No, it was behind the um Cherokee vacant apartment. It's it was because it no longer met the Florida building code and the building inspector
said that it was too dangerous to be hackled. So, as a result, the building inspector was saying either it gets fenced off and nobody can live there anyway or it gets cleared so that it's not the dangerous condition. And it's it's funny how you brought that up
because see what goes on in this community. You get you keep getting picked at and then you know you need to close this down. You need to shut this down. And what happened to the Cherokee is a lot of people to this day got put out, don't have nowhere to live to this
day. I understand that. I agree. Okay. And that was and that happened at the Taylor property as well. Absolutely. Not only those two, but even on Martin Luther King Boulevard and Mr. John Leon built that for the black community. And right now, not one black person can
afford to live in that in those pot crossing the baseball field that he specifically built for this community. Come on. And again, the city doesn't have to, right? But my point is, my point is to all I know you knew. I know
you knew about it. And people that was living there don't have nowhere to live to this day. And don't tell me you all didn't know nothing about this. And and listen, I did know about the Taylor property. I wasn't here when the uh the can property was demolished. I lived in Stewart. I was involved in the city. But
as it related to the Taylor property, there were certain structures that had repair needs that made it so that building officials said that they were not habitable. If the private owner or private developer wanted to go in and redevelop those properties and build
housing there, the city has never stepped in front of that. We're not saying no. We haven't said no to that. It's for whatever reason I don't describe and Mr. Montel Mel if you all see I have seen this happen in other
places. If you all really wanted to help out you all could have gotten great money to help this man out cuz I know specifically oh now let me finish specifically Mr. Taylor with us all about this community. He was about the
community. He talked to me specifically Mr. Frank, here comes Mr. Frank. Do you know where I have to get some money? I said, D, I said, let me check around and see. It wasn't like he wasn't trying to do nothing. He was I know this for a fight. I know this for a fight. But and here's the thing that I did not like. A
lot of the silly officials sit up there and eat this man food and you cling all at the same time. That was disrespectful. That was wrong. And I'm not familiar with what happened. Oh yes. Every night out. Every night I'm sitting there eating a man food though. And I'm
not disrespecting Bernie but I know what the man came to me and asked he came to me and ask but the city doesn't have any grant programs related to giving cash to somebody. They do it to other
places. They do it help homeowners. They have the same programs as the developers have come here and the city stewart rejected. Let me one more thing here in the
sharette was the was the gemination and so disrespect for the east community instead of putting it in here you wanted to put it over the JD Parker and it still didn't get filled and we
have asked over and over again for emergency purpose gym in this community boys and girls club we talking not in the community. Um, Matt, that's not that's not here. That's not in the community.
That's not why. Oh, so let's go back here. So, the way this is trying to clear up issues misinformation. I want to make it clear that the city didn't build a
gymnasium for somebody else. We didn't have the money to build the gymnasium. Right. Was he visioning meaning at the shroud? But you see all this? You see all that money? Reason why I point out all that money is you can get money for everything else, but you can't put no money here. That's why I call all the
money. That's why I call that the city of Stewart spent $8 million on East Stewart to connect every single house of water and sewer and no other neighborhood in all. You doing us a favor? You doing us a favor? You're doing this to
my Okay. No one is allowed to be connected for free and the state law requires everybody back. That's This is called This is the workshop. Um, next public speaker.
There are a lot of issues to discuss. I agree. born and raised in Stewart up in a little place called Grant. Um to brother
Donnie well spoken and I adopt his message. Sister Kimberly Motti much what she said and I would applaud this body to consider uh a slight pause if it does not disrupt the
doning in progress initiative uh as one was readily willing to admit there was some confusion among the few criminal errors in the in the document I think
there's a few reasons is for I think Mr. Martell has it pretty well spot on regarding the and the vision that this community had back in early 2000 he and I go way back and and and
are well taken and so as a son of Eastwood soil uh I would you all to uh consider a a brief pause. Uh I think this community needs to understand the point that Commissioner Collins
made regarding how conditional uses as it now stands affect what could be built in this community. And if you have a commercial property that has existed since
1968, unfortunately under the conditional use present standards, they can essentially come in and I think some that's what we're trying to
address. That's what we're proposing moving forward on versus pausing would keep that in in effect where that could be built. So, we're trying not to pause anymore. We're trying to fix that and and prevent that from just to clarify this. Correct me if
I'm wrong. Even if a conditional use is required, as long as a it is an allowed use, we don't have the right to turn them down. We have to approve it. So even though we impose in time and
expense on you, we can't say no as long as you as long that would be true whether or not. Well, what what happened was the the urban code had,
for example, East Street designated as business use. Then the overlay zone or the overlay code came in and said, "We're going to allow the following uses to be in the in the mixed use street
without any public hearing so that the residents don't have the cost of having the public hearings because that was the feedback that was received. What people are saying now is no, we don't care about the the cost of the hearing. We
want there to be that cost because it's more important to the community to be aware of what's coming than it is to who the property owner that has to infer the cost of having the public hearing. But
there was some adjustments and I don't unfortunately have the old code in front of me. So, I don't know under the urban code what was allowed by right versus what was allowed by conditional use and how many changes were in it. But I think
the bet was the intent of it. I just want to address this here. I know that tonight is kind of tense, but everybody in the community seems to want the same thing. Uh I understand Mr. my heart and all the other commercial. If
we let everything stay like we do it used to be our forefather was successful in this community. This community was well there was a lot of wealth here. I can remember when the little kids money circulate three times in this community
before it leave out. If where we have commercial, people that own commercial property, they stay commercial. We don't have to add no more commercial. The people that have housing, they stay housing because it was successful. They had business money was uh I mean, we had a bubble gum machine. My dad had a
bubble gum machine. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it was success. People gave each other jobs. There was so much discourage in this community. Miss Clark made some a statement about uh couple weeks ago and she said let's make this back a
historic community that nobody can't come in here and make no changes for the future our kids all of us inherited names most of us inherited land and stuff from our forefathers and I know everybody here can agree that I can remember in 1960s
uh Martin Luther King was successful each ad was successful we had our own tax you name our own grocery store. We had everything that we had that we needed because it was at that time segregated it was in there. And so
once it got integrated, okay, yes, a lot of stuff left out. But that don't mean we lose our rights and our values to our land. Okay. Because there some people have value to their land a so we give up all our rights to just make it just
housing only. Then they're going to say that, hey, I'mma lose value. No, they have them in course of learning where 46 AB used to be commercial residential. Journey Avenue used to be commercial residential. They had a meeting, they change the code. So we cannot allow
every I think everybody will be happy to have land here. Homeowners or whoever have land that nobody won't go home and say I lost I won. I understand that the condition of tractors and trailers running through the community. You know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. But
don't take away what we already have inherited. I mean our forefather died work hard in this land. And I think city school will be much great. This community will be one of the best community it is. And I think it'll be very valuable that we allow this
community to keep what success once it'll be success again. Thank you. [Applause] Harris could be put. Hello. I have questions.
And my name is Evelyn Harris Mitchell. Question. I need to start 720 Southeast Bay Avenue Stewart. Commissioner uh uh Bagot, you brought up.
Oh, I'm sorry. But anyway, I'm just going to point it at you and you brought up something uh at the beginning of the meeting. You were stating about the density and the mixed use of the leg.
And Collins, you brought up something stating that it would no longer be daycarees. Did you say that? So, we'll bar out. When will the applicant the person who
owns the property be required to go into a conditional use process versus when can they just build without any hearing or you know you say by right okay so what I what I've parcelled out in my
motion is to have more intensive uses like hotels they're probably going to be large scale structures still would go through the conditional use process so that everybody can be made aware that that's coming and then
they can give input and feedback. But some of your less intensive like daycare, barber shops, they not that they would go away, but in fact that they would need anybody's permission to cover. Okay, that's the two nobody's
recommending taking that away. Okay. and and you were talking about the parking that you have to have so many parking per per units or whatever. I don't remember bringing that up today. I did you did I did that. Okay. So, what
do you can you give us an example of what you're trying to say because most of people ride bikes and and stuff like that. They don't own vehicles or I don't think that it matters. Um because when I brought it up, I was asking if the
commission adopted more strenuous parking and the consensus I received from the commission is that they waved that issue for E Stewart and as a result the question I raised did not apply. So there is no new parking requirement or anything like that on the Thank you.
Because that would require more land. Okay. Now, on some of the misuse land, we have apartments, we have a small business, and we have uh single family uses on some
property. Are you cutting it out? That's what you said. So, the the discussion is whether or not the community wants that cut out. Yeah. So
specifically specifically the conversation that will come up for item number two that I'm focused on is is car bond to be residential or is it to be commercial right now today it is today
as commercial where those houses are z as commercial on the hama and we'll go over this is zoned as I thought it was I own property. That's that's why I'm sitting here. Uh I
thought it was misused and commercial from Church Street all the way down to Martin Luther. Okay. So is that that's who we voting on? Not right now. Next we're going to not vote tonight but take feedback from from everybody. We're just going to talk
about that. Okay, we're going to vote on the Okay, just to clarify, there are two agenda items. So, we're at the first one, and that's what Commissioner Collins just mentioned about the
conditional use versus not having to have a public hearing. That's what we're going and discussing and going on. And then when we're done with that, we're going to go to item two on the agenda, and that's where we're going to go through the maps and the streets. Okay. What did you mean sir about 08 and 09?
Okay. So um in the code you should in the code there are charts to help explain the code. Okay. and and 08 is a chart because you didn't understand 08 is a it has a chart and it says what
uses like barber shop salon um daycare and then it'll have a a box next to it whether or not it has a required to have a public hearing or not and that's that's charting it's a ewart um and it's
a chart that helps explain the code okay if that makes sense it it dumbs it down so everybody understand table. We're calling it a table one another question on by you. Did you code that as commercial from from uh uh
street to Martin Luther King? I think that the last meeting I was still kind of confused on that. It's it's I think purple and my house. So, I'm the
last the last two parcels on MLK Boulevard and on the corner of MLK are zone BMU, which is business mixed use. So, it could be either commercial or residential. I think that
you probably notice along uh MLK there, there's other businesses and stores on the storefronts there. So that's really what that's applying to because you can have it be residential. Well, it's your choice. Okay. So 720 it still could be residential. I don't I honestly don't
know which one is 720. Okay. That's between that's only the first two lots and so and Lake is is not that's um the SF.
Yeah. Single family. It's it's it's zoned for general residential office, but there are single family homes on it. And you got virtue across the street from Yes, sir. Okay. So, it is residential. Well, it's zone for commercial.
I thought so. That's why I'm asking you the question. So, are you asking the residents that there we have to have something commercial on our property? No, you don't have the Let's talk about this. I don't
understand it. But if it is zoned for commercial or mixed use, that is most likely what it will ultimately become. You zone a parcel for what we want it to become in the future. So right now there
is a single family home that sits on it, but in ' 04 we reszone it for mixed use for commercial. Okay. So today it's a single family home, but if you were to sell that property, somebody can come in and build a commercial.
The G the GRRO is residential office. It's not as you're not going to get the commercial type businesses, but there can be offices, right? You can go up to 35t and three stories. Correct. And it can be commercial. Oh, so if I sell my
property, I can get more money from y'all. Not not wants to build a threetory home. So, I'm just trying to clarify trying to
do a historically black res and I really don't want to sell her properties. Exactly. That's what we're trying to do is restore it and have it be a residential neighborhood where right now the zoning is sitting wait hiding waiting for developers to
potentially. Let me ask you a question. Why would y'all want to build a resto home by a a residential home that blocks out the view, blocks off the air, blocks out everything because in 2004 when they
went through all that shred, you can even see it on the cover. They planned for it to be Abicoa. They planned for East Stewart to be Abaccoa even so much as I believe it's on page 31. They talk about East Stewart having a new name,
changing the name of the neighborhood. That's been the plan. I I'd like to touch more base on that as well. Not not to go after Bright Line still. Uh but Bright Line chose that location as well. Yes, it's in the city of Stewart compland, but part of uh the
grant process was this particular grant, the the station had to be located at an economically endangered community, and that's why they chose East Stewart. By the way, you said economically, correct? And that came directly from the Martin County uh uh Board of County
Commission. Correct. So part of the grant application, they wouldn't have their economically endangered community if they chose the fairground. That's why they chose that location, by the way. So you can do the math there. If you have an economically endangered community
that's been reszoned for Acoa and you put your station there, what's the next step that's going to happen? That's what we're trying to figure out. And I believe when they announced bright light, what did the CRA go up to a million dollars extra a year just
because of announcing it? By the way, ma'am, before you our development director has put up an example of one of the charts and I think that's you have 08 up there. Yes. So you you'll see you'll see
on the left side of the table you'll see the various uses like librarians, barber shops and then to the right you'll see u a check mark or cu. So a check mark would mean they don't need a public hearing. A cu is the conditional use and
that means they would have to have a public hearing. So it's like a chart. It makes it easy to understand that you see it. How can that's what we're discussing now. How can we? Yeah. So, if you go to the city of Stewart, if you just Google city of
Stewart uni code or land development code, you'll go to section 3.02.03 and there's going to be figure 8 or figure ESN08 and it'll have that whole map up.
Okay. Thank you, ma'am. We're going to take a 15minute recess. So we'll reconvene at 7:10. [Music] I was trying to say it came before the commission music. Heat. Heat.
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tomorrow. Oh my god. That's good. Yeah. Heat. Where are you? last night. I'm not even allowed to tell my mother. This is
our child. Let's say you have a restaurant right this should be this should be well so what you can do Yeah. Right. The question is
heretorically it's But the question is all of those businesses right No. I [Music] like this music. Yeah. Right
now. Hold your right hand. Hallelujah. We are All right. Thank you all. Thank you all. Please have a few things. My name is I'm a resident of the
Eastwood community. East is not up for grass like that. In 2023 division of historic resources formally advanced eastward nomination to the National Registry of Historic
Places. That nomination is now sitting the National Park Service awaiting for final approval. Until that decision is made, the neighborhood is considered presumply historic and that is a real I mean it's better under section 106 of
the National Historic Preservation Act if federal money permits or agencies are even indirectly involved proposed development in pres a preservation review is legally required.
Likewise, Florida statute 267-061 protects resources that are eligible for the register not only that's been submitted but you know is in pending status like we are. We're in the last final stages you know should be
soon. You know all of this talk is really unacceptable because we're waiting for this to be finalized. We have rights. We have protections. So my my thing is uh I'm
just now finding out about C that's supposed to be working with the CRA. Nobody knows about them. I'm from the community. Stay here all my life mostly. I ask other people. Nobody knows C. Do you guys
know what you are saying? Is C. restore historic advisory committee. Oh yes. Yeah. No, we we don't. Oh, that's so true. Members of there's members of that here this evening, I believe. We're disappointed.
I mean, I don't understand. That's right. I I I I've seen the list of uh people that's on there, but I have yet to see anything tangible like any meetings in anything organized for the community to be able to have a two-way
communication with you guys. It's none of that. But my concern is how is developing being considered without us even knowing? Well, obviously we know now, but we didn't know about the 2004
change. How did that happen? From my understanding, zoning around here has been grandfathered in for years and years. You know, the mother-in-law housing. It was changed without us. None of that has changed. We still have access.
Okay. I'm just using that as an example. What I'm saying is the development of the commercial coding why why was it changed from the original coding that was from you know when we were set from the islands when we dropped created urban
used to urban urban what happened was the shred came in in 2002 following the shred the can we get a review can we get a review or update of that yes um and we have it available you can see it anytime you want Mr. developers do it all the
time as well. The urban code was written from the sharet. It was adopted in 2003 or 2004, right around that time. Then we went forward with the urban code and in 2023 the church coast regional planning
council came back in again and did the east sewart overlay zone as a form based code. The reason for that whether it was right or wrong, I'm not saying one way or the other was that the perception that was from the city that they were receiving feedback from people in East
Stewart that was saying it's too expensive for us to come through all these hearings and all these processes and all these notices to develop our land and we want to have the rights to be able to develop the land without incurring all those expenses. So the
city hired the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council. They spent a year and a half meeting with people, having workshops, and they came back and wrote what they called a formbbased code that said, "Look, if you follow this code,
then you're allowed to build whatever it is you want to build without having those hearings." Now, the the concern is, wait a second, we don't want to wave those
hearings. We want everybody to have to mail notice to everybody within 300 ft, pay the $1,800 application fee for the hearing, attend the hearing, and have the community feedback because we're concerned that somebody might come in
and build something without our knowledge and we want to make sure that our voices are heard before they do that. So what's the debate that you're having is should it be easier for the guy that
owns the land right now to develop his land and have something come in or is it more likely that the guy that owns the land right now is going to sell that land to a developer and then the people that are left here are going to say,
"Wait a second. I want the developer to just be able to come in and build what's in the East Stewart overlay zone, but I think that if you followed through, if we had Jody go through and you can see the conditional uses and different things and we had
that presentation that we were intending to have, then you'd see that that that the process actually had a lot of limitations and a lot of stuff that people had to comply with anyway. and that in a lot of cases if they wanted to
overbuild or do something that the community wasn't going to like then they would have had to come before a public hearing anyway and it would had to be voted on. Now, that's a completely different issue than the second agenda item, which is should we make streets
just single family homes with no commercial on them or should we have streets that have both commercial and residential on them or should we have streets that are just commercial? And that's still on the table. We're still going to talk about it, but that's a different subject. This subject
is what's there and how do you develop your land and if you own a parcel do you need to have public hearings to get approval or should you be able to go through a streamlined way to get approved without doing the application and that's kind of what we're trying that's understood so I understood
everything from the time I got in here my issue is I want to reiterate this we're in consideration to become historically black that means we soon. Yeah. Yeah. I I can see
the thing over to you. My issue is that um so so was designated as a historic town made application. You're absolutely right. What that does is it just qualifies the
community to be able it it applies it qualifies for grants to maintain the preservation but if nobody buys the grants doesn't matter but and also if you don't get the grants it doesn't matter but it doesn't limit
for example others by TK from buying a parcel that was already zoned commercial and moving in there and changing it from a barber shop to a gutters business because that was already commercial and I know that there's those uses are
significantly different but in the commercial realm of the building code commercial is commercial so it doesn't protect that from happening it yeah I know I know I know whatever's grandfathered then I'm talking about the reszoning I'm not talking about grandfather I'm talking about where
gutters by TK is right now. No, that that zoning is uh it's it hasn't changed. That's the same zoning from when it used to be whatever it was back in the day. I totally I mean we know Tarpon used to have all types of
businesses. We know Bahama had businesses. We know East had businesses. We wanted to say like what it was when we got there. That's what we're saying. Okay. Mr. CL did form base code change
the zoning it it added it it moved there was some map amendments up there as far as the zoning was concerned but it for example East Street was mixed use or East Avenue was
mixed use it changed it to BMU which is called business mixed use and it changed the language to say instead of having to have if you want a drugstore you had to
put apartments upstairs. It changes to say if you want a drug store you can just have a drugstore and you don't have to put apartments upstairs. Or if you wanted to build a single family home or you wanted to build two apartments, you didn't have to add a drugstore or a commercial or barber shop or something.
And it said no, the land owner can decide and it separated those into a less restrictive because before and not on purpose but the way it was written it said it had to be mixed use so everything had to be mixed use. Some feedback we got from me Stewart was that
that was causing it to be harder on the property owners Stewart because they it was harder, right? Because they had to do both and so it was intended to take it away to make it. This this is the kind of thing that is so snaky to me because we've all all
of us gotten our email the prezoning before it became this and the whole neighborhood except for East A and then going west on MLK from East A was zoned as residential lar. This was not a mixed use in terms
of zoning community as of 1998 2000 2000 it changed to be that's true 23 but that was the urban code adoption in 2002 sharet that's prior to the 2002 sharet
the area of east street and bayou was R3 that was in the '9s but in 2002 it became the mixed use of the urban code overlays. Harbon, Bahama, 10th Street,
and then west like how far you want to go back from what this excuse, but we'll get to that. We're talking about conditional use. Thank you, sir. Next clerk. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry.
I really wanted to just address the young gentleman and I wanted to ask the uh city manager. Sir, could you return to the please? I just manager, do we have a follow up on the status for the I'm sorry. Do we have a followup for the status of the historical registry?
We do. I was I I don't have it. I don't have it in front of me right now. I don't see not here, but it's a item that's as soon as we get I mean there's we have no reason to believe it's not going to be adopted and approved.
They're crossing tees and dotting eyes, but it's pending. I can just correct me if I'm not correct. What I wanted to say is what you're thinking is if a particular building was considered historic, then it would certainly stop. That's different, right? That's
different than a whole area. If you have a building that had been put into historical status and it was approved, that would not be I mean that would be protected. It limits the color of the room. It was over 100. It was over 100
landmarks and sides were historic. Uh how many have been tore down? Well, I don't know if they had historic status at the time that they've been torn down. They were surveyed as historic. We do have that. Well, and that's the city trying to save them.
That's the city identifying and doing it. That wasn't private land owners. The city did that. Okay, I understand that. But how many down? I mean, how far back do you want to go? But private owners have the right to
tear down their land. So it's I mean I I I've seen all the red tape on houses and I've seen worse houses and worse trailers other places but they get torn down quick down here. I don't know the last time a property
was torn down in New Stewart. Was it 20 or 21? I mean I don't know if somebody can refresh my recollection. I thought it was one of the property properties. Okay. Are you done? Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Cooper. Come on up.
Good evening. I think last time I started here, I want to this evening [Music] announcing that in the book of Proverbsap 4 verse it says the beginning of wisdom
is this. Get wisdom and go across all you have get understanding. So what's important with that verse is that we can get a lot of wisdom but without the understandings it's hard to put things in context. And I think this
this process we're going through is a very complex process. But fundamentally um the understanding is this is that as system parties so eloquently that the
when you start to give up rights um that that fundamentally we have to fight for rights right so we don't need to be giving up rights when the struggle was to get rights that we were supposedly granted as citizens of this
country. And so whereas there could be some well intentions to try to talk about a CU process to cover to make sure that we don't get out of we know that's not going to happen because the banks they won't lend for that type of
development in East. So when you compare and trash our core and that part Jupiter that zip code and you look at what we're dealing with here that's probably not going to be financed. No developer can go to the
bank like I stated unless there's somebody in the Middle East and paid billions of dollars for this area and then they got to recoup that money. So, you know, we don't we don't need to
begin to talk about when there is a CU process anyway. If you had to go outside of a stated use, you have to go and you have to get permission from the commission. You have to go have the community. You can't just put a we just
say you can't put your normal boat in the middle of each store without going. So, you can't put something that tox things in there. So, we can slow down with this. Um, allow the people to retain their rights, property rights,
um, to do and pick and choose, but also let the community and and and Mr. Bell said he talked about he wants to be able to do he still wants to do what he he he he set out in a shares. So, now there's a lot. So the the best way the one of
the the most effective strategies in the war is to divide and if you divide the people you conquer them and you conquer them by confusing them right the people are confused and so that's how that you can conquer them. So but if you want
them to succeed bring understanding and then they will succeed. So we can slow down, figure it out and let the people get a great understanding. And they can't do it in this kind of form.
It's too complex. We have to slow down, get in a room time and time again so the people can say I understand fully. That's all I say. Thank you. God bless. I just want to
say yes. You didn't mention the word, but it would be like doing a sharet. And this came up before when the zoning in progress was being discussed. And since people want to go back to minutes and background, you can go back. And one of our commissioners said, "We don't want
to have people have a sharet and have them come and give ideas and give opinions and because it's just going to take too long. It's going to burn down the process." But I think if people are talking about respect and wanting to have something positive come out of the
commission, then we need to show that respect and say, "Let us do what we need to do to slow down this thing with E. Stewart, whether it means rescending it out of that ordinance, whatever process it takes, and I know that we have a
motion on the table, but I think that once and for all, we need to listen and do and follow through. It's a new area. We were worried when it was 2000, now it's 2025 and people are still asking and
begging and struggling for somebody to listen to them. So, we need to we need to really take that seriously tonight. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think that this, like I said, this is not a form to to get the understanding that's needed in the room. And so, there's no rush,
there's no need, the boogeyman's not coming. um you know so so people can get the understanding if we take it out of this form and go into some type of sharet because we've had sharets over the time and we're contin to say a more
perfect east story. I think I think the the former president called a more perfect union. So that's how do we get to a more perfect east by taking our time and continue to work on that whether it's the the urban code that Mr. we all talked about and you keep working
at it. It's not a perfect start but it's something towards perfection and that's what we're aiming for because you want to talk to you want to help the people let the people get understanding and how they do that slow down and they will be [Music]
Hello everybody. I want to talk about Say your name. Introduce yourself and your address. Okay. Davis Nichols 931. Okay. Um, everybody keep
saying y'all okay cuz um my mom say and now that's just like market 10 street pump fire trucks
amounts all kind of business buses and everything come through there couple months ago my grandson was in across the got hit by a car. You know what I'm saying? So, I was wondering how y'all going to y the
traffic coming on East Avenue. And because another thing I wanted to discuss the light from Martin and East Avenue by the girls club there for the kids cross
and where they're still at. You can't see have to come in the road to see what's coming for you that right and then the police get behind you as a ticket cuz you in the road. That's all I want to discuss.
Thank you. [Music] There's a problem with traffic too fast on the road. In my neighborhood, it's the only street that doesn't have stop sign. We appreciate you bringing that up. One thing I got frustrated. Okay. Um,
and I wasn't on the same thing, but I have to because as you all were talking, I can't address who was there, but as you all were talking, um, a couple of things came to mind because I've had a couple of vivids here in the Spirit Cafe and I know the difference and how hard
it is when the community, especially the community, African-American community wants to have a business, wants to do something in the community. It's really hard to go to the city and say I need this you know permitting it's hard give
you a case example when I have my restaurant down out there so cafe on seminal street it was extremely hard for me to get the things that I needed and you know who helped me the owner of Jolly Saber.
had an issue with parking, had an issue with handicap. Every opposition that I came across, that man, the owner of Dallas City, would say, "You know what, Alia, let me help you." Because he knew he knew that it wasn't an issue, but it was
just an issue for me. All right. It took Mr. I believe that Mr. Rudolph, it was the attorney that that was on Sim Street before he died to help me deal with the city. You all wasn't
there. Not all of you, but you were there. The city was there and it was hard to get the things that I needed. So, it's hard when the city when the community has lost a lot of hope. You you have put so much weight and I
did that. You have you have put so much happiness on them cuz it's hard to even nonetheless. It's almost like they're the community is being weighed down and you're feeding off that. You're
feeding off that the community is getting older and they don't understand. He said it well. I mean, I wouldn't have said it the way he said it. It all about getting understand. And you know that they we don't really understand a lot of thing that's being said and you're
feeding off that and you're using that for what your intentions are. Easter can be self-sufficient. We don't have the same type of business there that downtown will have, but we have businesses and we want them in the
community that we need. I wasn't born and ra I was born and raised in East Stewart, but it is the heart of our community. And we need the businesses. We need the homes. We need those things that we need. We need everything that
you want us that you say you want the community to have. But we don't need the hard time when we come up there and get those permits. When someone comes up there and need something, we don't need the you can't do it because of this here. And it's the wording. is the coding that's twisted. So before you
move on, let everybody have an understanding. Lay it out a plan simple. Keep it simple. to address alia. So with the formbbased code, formbbased code was meant to make development and redevelopment easier. U that that was
the purpose of it. So you had pictures on how the front facade would end up instead of reading conventional land development code which would be text amendments. So you see a picture so you know what the development would look like.
Um what happened was though they expanded the map which is another agenda item. What we're specifically discussing is the ESN08. And the bigger question that the community in this room needs to decide is where do you want businesses versus
residential development? And that's the big question I believe that's still being decided. And you know what you're you're right because as as you know that on on social media you always have these memories that come up and I've been out
here for eight years and a lot of those meetings even from Mr. Mrs. Taylor is on. It comes up in my memory. So yes, you've had these meetings. The meeting was there. Some of the community came, some of them didn't come. There was no
even I'm there just filming. So I'm I know these meetings took place, but I wasn't there understanding anything. I was there so that the community can know that this is going on, but the understanding wasn't there. So what you're saying is true. I can pull up
lots of meetings, but the understanding was never there. When pictures come up, I say, "Oh, yeah, they were there." But what were they really understanding that was taking place? Mr. Barl clearly broke it down to us the other day last week. It was like, "Oh my god, some of the
things that the concerned citizens did, I do not. I didn't know." Not that I was, you know, had to know, but this, "Oh, you did that. You had me." So then we're together. So you keep trying to get this one to talk to you, get that one. You're going to keep a community divided and
then you're going to keep moving forward in what you trying to accomplish. But the community has to take accountability and become united. Yes. So don't think that is you what you said farmers. I don't know what that is.
Correct. I'm hoping Jody Jody can pull up the ESN08 uh table that we're discussing. And is there any way to split the screen between the GIS map on the Is this projecting mirroring the screen because
then we can do it? You're mirroring the laptop, correct? Okay. So, we should be able to do both then that we want the ESN08 table and the map on the same screen so people can understand what's
going on. And because we're mirroring the laptop, we should be able to do it. Just do two browsers and drag and drop one to the left side of the screen and one to the right. Commissioner, I think 08 only deals with the conditional use. Correct. But that's
what people are misinformed on because that table correlates with the zoning map for agenda item two. Correct. It does. The use applies to the whole Correct. But they need to understand that by right in this map or in this
table where it correlates onto the map, right? So this screen needs to go to the left and we need the map up as well so they can see both. [Music] If not, I can do it real quick. While you're doing that, I'll be
what we're discussing and voting on as soon as we vote. The issue that we're parceling out is within these different uses. Up until tonight, the discussion was
other than single family home having developed and go through the conditional use process. Right? What I proposed tonight is only requiring larger scale intensive development like the mixed use aa type that's allowed
here the apartments assisted living facilities large scale those would be conditional use. Yeah. But to your point, the smaller scale business, barber shops, cafes, those have been relieved from that. So there's no
additional burden for the smaller scale. I also would point out that that Jody has a presentation with maps. We just haven't let her do the presentation. Commissioner, why don't we get to that? Commissioner, let's let do that. You think he needs to clarify when we get to
You might want to just let Jody do that presentation. What he's trying to do is side by side so they could see but staff went through and took the actual map and went house by house and identified what the real uses were and
she prepared a map that reflects what's actually not public. Sorry guys, not allowed from the mayor. We'll let staff make the presentation when you feel it's inadequate then you can
add public comment please on the condition use [Music] my is Bernie T which is Bernie Taylor. I have three questions. I'm talking loud enough. I don't need no mic.
Well, we can hear you, but I don't know if they can. They hear me. Oh, don't you um my question is people with land and you say that how high can we build?
Yeah. You want me to build? So by right you can build up to 30 or 40 ft and then if you wanted to build a building you have to have a special meeting without anybody's permission you can build up to three stories okay 35 or 40
depending on if it's the green or the purple that is much larger scale your property's in green so your property you could go up to 35t Okay, question number two was somebody
asked me why I tore down the property, which I explained two weeks ago. Uh, no one was living in it and every time something happened in East Stewart, they eventually would go
over there and die or whatever. And then I was told that if they keep dying on my land, I wouldn't be able to build. So that's why I tore it down. And then after the stove got on fire and I
was told by the city of Stewart we had to build it from tear it down and build from. So that's why I tore the property down and then I get get accused of spending money that I
personally didn't receive because I was working for Mai Engineering at the time. Yes, I've been retired 11 years. The city's not accusing you of spending money. Well, some person is put. Yeah, I'm sorry for that, but it's not us.
Anyway, if you ask want to know anything about the money, you will have to ask my brother because he was there with my father. I was not. I was there for 5 years ago before they both deceased. But other than
anything other than that, I can't take it. And that was the answer to my question. Thank you so much for your time. Wilson. Hi everybody. How's everybody doing? My name is Jimmy Wilson. I live
801 far and I just want to let you know I'm 100% with Mr. Johnny Bell. And the main thing, the reason why I'm up here today is reason why all this is going
on and it's one word. It's called disrespect on many different levels. You have disrespect each student and what community means. Some have went and sorted out certain people
and say that's the community. Certain people is not a community. Everyone is the community. [Music] And once you started doing that, you started taking different angles and different avenues of
disrespecting each steward until it became so big to the point where you're now trying to take property and changing the name and everything else about it. But it all came out because you
disrespect. And I was always told when you go in somebody else house, you come with respect unless they showed you respect. Disrespect. And I know for a fact I'll never disrespect no one over there and no one behind here. And I've
done a lot of great things for my community and I'm still going to keep doing it to the day I can't be able to do it no more. But all this comes to one thing. This disrespect you
disrespecting land owners. You even disrespect the people you recognize. How many times have I heard property owner land owner in here? Like that's the only people you recognize. What makes a
community? You even separated us. And some of us is taking that because they're being deceptive. That's not a community. A community is
everybody. Some may have more, some may have less, but they still part of that community and they are that community and they need the same respect. It's a lot of disrespect to people from out of East Stewart on many different
levels. Every time I keep hearing when one person goes to something by themselves, a lot of times they're being [Music] disrespected. They keep saying, "You don't do that over there. You don't do
that over there. You don't try them like that." But the minute they come from your store, the disrespect begins. And like everybody told you, many stores, a steward
can take care of itself. I know there's issues we have to straighten out ourselves. But when we have these type of meetings and as you see, everybody comes together and we can try to come
together and figure things out. But first, we can avoid a lot of these little meetings if first you show respect and come in with respect. Mayor, Rich,
yes. Uh, I do for uh Jimmy. I've known Jimmy since I was a young child, so I I respect him heavily, Jimmy. Um, and as far as agreeing with Mr. Johnny Bell. I believe Johnny Bell's views are you have businesses along MLK and I believe down in East
A. I believe it's it's something along those lines which is what we're trying to decide. And the question is on that ESN08 table. Do we want those businesses as it currently stands to say by right
all of them currently? On that issue I would like Mr. Johnny Bell to answer that puppy. Okay. The question was um I know Jimmy agrees with uh you Johnny on this um the question was um businesses on
MLK on ESAV and the question was according to that ESN08 table how it's currently on there. Do you want that to stay how it is because then it would be by right for those businesses or do you want certain businesses in those areas
to be conditional usage? Now this code is form based code. Yes. Is that correct? And I'm not that familiar with the form base code uh for business, but MLK has historically been business. Uh East Avenue of uh
historically and from the Eastwood urban code has been mixed as there's only like two businesses on the street. So if we if we removed form based code from it, whether it was formbased code or text code, it would still equate to the same
thing. you could achieve the same thing. What the form based code did was make development and redevelopment easier and they also updated, you know, the map for the the usages um on that table. And that's that's what we're discussing on this agenda item. That's what uh comm
Vice Mayor Collins's motion was. Is that the only street you're discussing? East Sound. What about So what what we were actually discussing was the entire East Stewart uh neighborhood for the ESN08 because it's applicable to all of East
Stewart. And then the next agenda item would be the actual map for East Stewart for East Code. I don't quite understand yet, but the East Stewart urban code commercial was from Topon from Mu King
to Church Street. Um East from Martin Luther King, Florida and Martin Luther King. Other than that, there was not commercial use. There was a Taylor store on the Taylor's property and and and
according to the the East urban code that was allowed to stay if they preferred to put one back there. And according to Topon on the Park property, there was a store historically back in the day if they wanted to put one there. the East Stewart Urban Code allow for
that to happen. And so that's the way that's the way we we really don't need any more business and and that's why there's two things at play. We have like I said the ESN08 and then we also have the map and they do go hand in hand. For example, if we looked at that map before
2023, if you looked at a property that was zoned for East Stewart GRRO for certain businesses, historically you had to get a conditional usage. right now as it's adopted in 2023 to current, you do not have to do that conditional usage
for certain businesses. It's by right. And how how far do those businesses extend extend on what streets? So what what really I was trying to do it earlier but uh Mayor Rich wouldn't allow me. But what I'm trying to differentiate is the two agenda items that's going on.
So we have the ESN08 which is getting addressed now. Once that addressed then we can talk about the map where it would extend to if that makes sense. Because what what's she doing is causing a lot of confusion? Absolutely. In the community because uh
I think we heard somebody say one time you can put businesses on 10th Street and I never does this code allow. So when we say this code, you're you're discussing the code, but you also have a map that correlates with it, right? So
what we're discussing now is the actual code. Do you want those businesses in the map by right? So like I said, there's two things at play. We have to figure out what businesses you want in
East Stewart by right versus conditional usage. And then the next agenda item is the actual map. Where do you want those businesses to be located? I would ask you, Mr. I would ask you, mayor, really
I would ask Commissioner, they are two separate items. Numerous people have told us how confusing it is and it is. Can we we have a motion to talk specifically about conditional use? Can we try to confine the discussion? That's
what I'm doing, Mayor Rich. And I think I'm doing the correct because they correlate and Johnny has to understand and so does everybody in this room. They took time out of their day to come down here. I got elected to be down here. That's the difference. Okay? I'm
required to be here. They're coming out on their own free will and it's my job to educate them so they're aware of what's going on. and every time I try to do it, you're disrespectful towards me as one of your fellow board members, and I really don't appreciate that. It's
uncalled for, and I've had enough while I'm here tonight. Thank you. Uh I I would like to really the community needs to talk about this and be on one accord. Uh from what I'm hear, we don't watch the business. We don't
really need any poor businesses in these sewers. What kind of business are you referring to? Well, that goes back to the ESN08 table that I was trying to explain. We can shut down. Okay. But, uh, we need
the community needs some discussion. Yes, I agree with you. And I was trying to do it earlier by putting it on the screen and I was told to sit down. Commissioner, can you let me try? You can. Yeah, you can try. So the thing that we're discussing right now to vote
on is updating the different uses. Right? When I say use, is it a single family home? Is it a duplex? Is it apartments?
Right? The table that you'll see there as it stands today, the current code today says nobody needs anybody's permission. You don't have to tell anybody. There's no meeting and you can
build apartments. You can build. So, what we're recommending, the motion that I made is for some of these more intensive uses in order to when you put in an application for the hotel or when you put in an application to build apartments, it would trigger a
conditional use process and a meeting so that the neighborhood would be made aware. see the the sign the blue signs would go up. Everybody would get notified and then we can have a meeting and we can all talk about it. For the less intensive uses, I'm not recommending that. Barber shops, cafes,
things that are probably going to be like one story, you know, it's more like the type of business that everybody seems to be advocating for in East Stewart, but the larger aa type that I keep referencing, things are going to be
three and four stories, you know. We're the the motion that we've made that we're advocating for is having a process where everybody's made aware. Does that help kind of Okay, I I think I get I get it. That's the one thing we're
discussing. Is that protection for as of now conditional use or is that a permanent thing? So right now you have no protection. Right. Right now you have it. It could happen tomorrow. It could happen tomorrow. Whatever. So what we're advocating for the change we're trying to make is that the more intensive uses
that they have that the the applicant has to go through conditional use so everybody knows what's going okay just let me let me clarify go ahead the next so if you look at the table 08 any
business you can think of is listed there any possible business it doesn't matter where that opportunity may exist in the steward and it says you can do this, you think you do. The next thing we're going to talk about is what will
be allowed on what street? And so that maybe I'm I'm tell I'm going tell you where I'm having a problem. Okay, like I stated before, we did not we did not approve of this code. Nobody knew it was
coming. We was blindsided. We let we don't know when it was approved or who recommended it. It was not present to this community. We don't want it. Well, you'll stick around. Okay. Right. This is an opportunity for us to try to make it better from what it's saying right
now. Uh I talked to two group of people this week and they don't want the code. They want to go back to the sur code. But for our protection as of now, we're vulnerable from what I'm hearing. What do you mean we don't want the code? because of every place in the city
because we had a code that we approve that we saw nothing wrong with you gave us a vote but we didn't want but he's he's saying that Mr. and the people that he's speaking on behalf of would like the commission to
resend the 2023 adoption of the urban backbuses are still It is confusing. Okay.
[Music] got a lot written down here tonight and obviously I've written all of you since September since this whole process started. I want to echo the same thing I said then to you now. Um you're not giving this community a fair shot at the
proper community outreach and input and vision that they require. the community. These are not workshops. These are meetings. You're not giving them a chance to sit around at tables together to talk around and discuss what they want and have that process be
facilitated by professionals who work in planning. I mean, no offense to any of you, but none of you are professionals in this. And this is why it's been so hard even for our city staffing. They're not trained in how to conduct these sorts of workshops.
they don't know how to educate the public so that they can decide what they want for themselves and at the end of that process you can vote yes or no but it should be focused on them. Um I think what needs to happen is they should be
able to receive expertise from professionals who know how to address communities that are vulnerable to gentrification displacement because obviously that is a very real threat to East Stewart. Um You've got a community that's right
in the heart of the downtown and it's the cheapest place to buy a house. It's more expensive this way, it's more expensive that way, it's more expensive that way. Um, and what the experts know that you may not know is how gentrification happens because right now
we keep talking about the businesses and the developments that are going to come in and displace people. But gentrification, it happens when people like me want to live near downtown and we see that everything else is expensive. Stewart is a really cute.
It's got parks south of it. It's got parks to the north of it. It's next to schools. It's right next to downtown. So, somebody like me says, "I can go buy a house here." And then one of my friends decides to do the same thing. And then, you know, after a dozen or so of us do it, then developers come in and
they want to build some houses. That process is years. That gentrification process takes years. Um if you look at the H Street corridor in Washington DC, um home prices and displacement happened for a decade before the Whole Foods came
in. The same thing happened in Atlanta. Look at Grant Park. That was young couples coming in buying houses in historically bad communities. That happened for 15 years before large developments came in. So, it's I don't mean to insult you when I'm talking about this, but I'm saying professionals
know how to address this better than you do. Um, right now we're talking about the zip maybe protecting communities from that or not. I don't think that the zip is doing that at all. Like, you're not addressing the real problem. Um, if we
want to talk about how to stop displacement of people in this community, we've got to talk about home ownership. We shouldn't be talking about zoning. We should talk about how to get people in this community voting their homes so that they are not vulnerable to being displaced.
[Applause] Thank you for your input on it. I'm speaking commissioner. Oh, sorry. Okay. So, when this first started and I brought it up at least three times and it was said that I was filibustering and it wasn't
filibustering, but there's a process to do this if it's going to be right for the community. And if there's something that needed to be done for commercial parking purposes, I know that one of our commissioners was very intent
on no multifamily in the city of Stewart, no more commercial, and we need to have a zoning in progress. But now we're down to the point where all that is off the table. The only thing left is East Stewart. And we're here trying to
make these decisions in this type of meeting where people are crying out saying that we need to go back and redo and do what's right before we fall into that pit. And that's what needs to happen.
I've asked for it before. I was outvoted and it's not happening. But and and I think one of our I think the attorney or the maybe the city manager used the word rescended to and I've asked tonight. I did not put in a motion. We still have
one motion out but it would be to divorce the ordinance the current ordinance to agree to divorce that East Stewart urban code treated separately. Give East Stewart the proper attention
that it needs. I brought that up at a meeting the other day that in in concert with the historic preservation activities that we've been working through and getting that recognition for Eastwart as a African-American historic
community that we do spend time putting a planner or the effort into doing something for you Stewart that was just like not even accepted but it needs to be done. Okay. Yeah. Um and and obviously you all
had your issues with one another and I don't really like comment on that. I just, you know, I'm an urban designer. I I do something similar to this for a living. um this should have been a couple hundred thousand paid for by the
city to get the proper feedback from the community um by professionals from so many different like you know there's 10 different types of planners ones that focus on transportation that focus on all different areas um that have the
expertise to do this the right way and that's what I requested and that's why thank you question I absolutely do so you're designer. Were you did you at least tangentially watch the process
with forb uh here in Stewart? I came to uh one meeting. How long did we do that process for? I I can't say I pay attention to the whole thing. Two years. Two years $100,000. $100,000. Had a lot of professionals from Treasure
Coast Regional Planning involved. Yeah. Can I make a comment on that? Um, with all of your infinite expertise and wisdom, does it sound like the people in this neighborhood are happy with what you guys came up with, actually listen from that professional
class of Treasure Coast Regional Planning? No, they didn't. They imposed what they wanted on this neighborhood and this neighborhood isn't happy about it. And finally, you have people on this commission because some of your friends got removed from their seat. Okay, I
need to stop you right there. No, I'm not talking. I don't work in some of your friends got removed from their seats and you have three people up here who are actually trying to advocate for the people that live in these neighborhoods. And it's not just the city commissions anymore and the Treasure Coast Regional
Planning dictating what happens anymore. I completely agree that Treasure Coast regional planning should not have been the people. They're the experts. They they live in this community. There's baggage that comes from people who work in a
community. You need people, right? I don't work here and we don't do zoning. The professionals aren't always, believe it or not, the smartest people when it comes to who actually lives in a neighborhood. They impose their book
knowledge and what they learn in school onto neighborhoods. And the people who live in neighborhoods understand their neighborhoods better. Absolutely. Which is why this commission is not seeking the guidance of more experts but the people that live in the
neighborhood. You understand? I understand what you're saying, but I have seen it done correctly and I have seen communities be happy with the result. And that's all I'm saying that is to be happy with the result.
question for us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Rosie Shepard. I uh I don't live in the East Stewart community, but I have the privilege of working here and serving residents here. And one of those residents is Mr. Lewis
Leonard. Um it is so I was talking to uh Jody earlier and she said and we were thankful that uh they did a site several of you did a site visit at his
residence. Um he has a 7 unit multifamily property. um he received a permit and built four additional unit or three additional units and they're not big. It's not uh
three stories. It's not five stories. And at the time it was owned for 30 units per acre. But if all of this is adopted, now we can only have five. Well, we're beyond substantial completion. And what
is so disheartening is watching uh my customer who has entrusted me to help him through the process thinking that in the beginning and when I called the city to speak to them that he was approved for seven
units. I spoke to Darcy Farars when I took the listing and she had said that uh you'll have no problem getting the permit reopened because it had expired and getting those seven units approved.
And unfortunately that is not the case today. So it didn't receive its co and he's built affordable housing for residents to be able to live here. that that I mean this is a beautiful
community. It has wonderful people but there's not that many opportunities for people and he's not building 30 units. He's not building a you know a you know a fourstory building but for because
when that permit was issued there were a there were issues I'm told that he should have come to the city and asked for the conditional use then but Mr. Leonard received a permit
in hand. And so here he goes on his property to build the three additional units and they passed multiple inspections. And there's a need for rentals here. And we he's made it this far
along. And what was interesting to hear is Jody mentioned after the site visit she uh drove the area and noticed there are sites with that were zoned at 35
units per acre. So does that now make some of these homes nonconforming? So are are the people here going to have problems moving forward when they sell? Will they have to remove a unit, you know, because it
had been approved? That's my question. That's a serious question. Um, we do have an application in for approval to get Mr. Leard's situation taken care of. But if we change and go from the 30
units per acre down to 20 is now seven units can will only be approved for is five. So his architectural plans had been submitted. Everything was submitted. He
even has or at the time had I hear I do hear it has expired now. He even made me get fire sprinklers in place. So he's put out all of this money. He's even spent money for uh he's got a total of seven meters on the
property and he you know he just wants to serve the people in the community so they have a great space to live. So thank you um for cler let me just it's a perfect example Rosie to um talk about
the conditional use process and what Mr. is referring to as the prior urban code. The urban code that was adopted in 20 or 2003 allowed originally 15 units per acre by right, but then it became 17 units an acre by right in East Stewart
and 30 units an acre by conditional use, meaning that you had to go if you got above 17 units an acre, you had to go in front of the city commission to get authority to build more than that. Mr. Leonard's
property originally was made up of a larger piece but got separated into a 29 acre parcel with two houses on it. The two houses that were on his property have existed there for well in excess of 50 years. I'm thinking closer to 75 196.
Okay. So 100 but when they were built in 1926 they were single family homes which doesn't matter one way or the other. They were there and they've been there. At some point along the way, and I don't know when, they got converted into duplexes.
Oh, no. No. They're not duplexes. Always have been duplex. Okay. In your lifetime, maybe they have, but I'm telling you, it doesn't matter. As duplexes, there's four units there. 17 units per acre allows on a 29
acre parcel, four units. So the duplexes were allowed. Then Mr. Leonard came in to get a permit from the city of Stewart and his architect applied for the permit as what was called an out parcel or an
out building. The out building was not declared as three apartments. It was declared as an out building when the city but but but here's where the conditional use comes into play. You get a listing and you see that Steuart allows it to go up to 30 units
per acre. 30 units per acre times. 29 equates to eight units. You see seven units there. Eight are allowed. The assumption is that it's okay. It never went through to get the
conditional use to go to the increased number of units when those three extra units were built in that out building. But when it came up to Mr. uh letter uh whether it was July or August, the city said to him,
"Hey, you're allowed to get up to 30 units an acre. What you need to do is apply for a conditional use. go in front of the city commission and show up at the your house is like this and it's got this out building and because you converted the out building into three
apartments because of the proximity to the house the commission can wave that setback issue or whatever it is but you're going to need to put fire sprinklers in. I told him not to spend the money on the fire sprinklers yet because I was concerned that he'd spend
that money and the new code that's been adopted in 2025 has reduced the maximum to 20 units per acre. So if you take the 29 * 20, it limits it to a total of five
units. So my concern was that he wouldn't be able to get the three approved and I didn't want him to spend the money on the sprinkler system if he only was going to get five units because I didn't want to have him spend money he couldn't recoup. But and you're obviously going to have a chance to talk and tell whatever stories and whatever
I'm wrong that's fine. Yes. But the zoning is that it was originally 17 units by right per acre. You reduced your parcel to 29 acres. You multiply 29 * 17 and you get four units that you can
build. You had two duplexes on the property. That's exactly four units. That's it. When you came in and built the out building, it was the permit that was received was for an out building, not for three apartments. And as a
result, it didn't get hooked up to the water. You've done that since. But at the time, the permit didn't have a water hook up to it. It didn't have impact fees hooked up to it. It didn't have equivalent residential connections to the utilities hooked up to it. It didn't have the public hearing requirements for the conditional use that it would have
required. And the three units just impact fees alone would have been about $50,000. So there was a lot of stuff, but nonetheless, you could still resolve it by a conditional use under the urban
code that Mr. Bell was referring to under the current method if it's kept at 20 you're allowed five units. So that out out unit would only be allowed to be one individual apartment. And for what
it's worth, I don't know that it could be a semantic here because in doing that process where we went through the community of the presentation that development department was prepared to do, we found that there were several homes where the property appraiser as
listed as a single family home and in one of them there were eight separate tenants living there as a literally like almost like a boarding And so in Mr. Leonard's case, it might be that he's limited to that out parcel
to a single threebedroom unit, getting him to the five units, and then he turns around and rents out the the bedrooms for $500, $700 each per month or whatever he was
renting them out for and and gets it. But he still would require to do a conditional use. The other thing that we look at is we have 29 is the size of his lot. If we take 29 and we divide it by seven, we find
out or divide. So it it turns out that he's got 24 units per acre is how many that how that would equate. Although it's only seven units, it's only it's less than 30% of an acre. So it make it
turns out to be 24 units per acre. And that's where we get into this math thing where people think 30 units per acre means 30 units, but it doesn't because unless you have a full acre parcel, it's
that and most of the lots in East Stewart are in the.13 to.15 range. So most of the lots in East Stewart at 30 units an acre could have a
maximum of four units on them. Not 30 units but four. But if you combine them all, there's different mathematical formulas. In this situation, a conditional use hearing is required to go above four units. The
question you end up with is if Lake Street gets zoned as just single family duplex, then he can't do the additional because the two duplexes will be the end and you're not allowed to do more than
that because it's been capped at 20 units per acre. It will only be allowed to do a maximum of five units. And when I met with him, I thought that multif family had a parking requirement of two
units, two parking spaces per unit. And now I'm hearing that East Stewart didn't have a parking requirement. But I thought that that was going to require him to have seven units times the required parking and then he'd have to put parking in
it. Okay. So, one per unit would be seven parking spaces. I think he has. Yeah. So, so that parking solved and so we wouldn't need to address the parking issue. Well, one thing I want to say, much respect to you. After talking to
you the other day, we sit there and you kind say, you went to the in the building department and you came back, you said to me, they led you, quote, they led you in the wrong direction.
Mhm. That's what you said to me. All right. I wanted I almost Oh, I remember. Trust me, I remember when you came back, you said to me, quote, "They led you in the wrong direction." I could have said to
you, be more specific, they No, not they. The city of the city of because the first of all, okay, let me finish. First of all, what you do when you uh ask for a pres
request a permit, you go to the city with your application, you go with a plan and you give it to the city. They go back in the back and sit down and they review it. If necessary, they may even revise it. But
we build everything according to the plan. Correct. You gave me the permit. I didn't jump over the counter. Not too personal, right? I didn't jump over the counter and go back there and print out this permit myself. I put in jail. You all gave it to me. We done everything
according to what was we're supposed to have done. It was the application that was submitted that had But you on this plan on this plan it says three apartments. Three apartments. I got my I got I got with your architect
when the real estate closing was planning to happen. your architect came into me and said this meets the code and I said really did you see that it's three apartments and the meeting ended because he acknowledged and it's Dan
Braden if anybody wants to that it was a plan but I have a stamp plan from the city with three three apartments not one three apartments stal
with 9 300 square footage in each apartment which is 900 you looked at if you had someone in the city that was incompetent if the person improperly well that's not my fault I can't I can't
be respons I understand that you know this has created a problem for you yes it has financial aid wise no and the west. I can put them all in. However, I I allow Mr. Martell to speak because
the uh you know the burdens of a conditional use, but you really, you know, need to come speak to us privately and individually because it it doesn't deal it doesn't deal with the issue we have to vote on. But well, listen, I
mean, this has caused me a great deal. I have lost I have no doubt that I have application into the commission of night. I'm just constantly spending money. I have lost thousands and very and you want to be honest about it.
You fought no money but we have not done anything. I'm not saying you should bring your and you have your representative. I think we can speak to you at city hall. Can we arrange an appointment for you
may call you actually you know some people say let me say one more thing okay say you're selling commission say you're I am selling the property commissioner you were asking about yesterday when I showed you the
building and everything I am stressed out with you guys I'm stressed to the max because I want to be this what I have done all my days is And I'm going to continue until I just can't pick up a hammer no more. I'm
going to build in another state, another city. I can't go through this stress, man. I got too old for this. I really have the stress that you have causing me, drama, issues,
situations. I can't absolutely. Thank you. Perfect example of what I was saying. That's exactly right. you you stated it best and I really and that's why I'm here speaking because he
was and I I own a roofing company. I don't get a permit if it my NOA isn't proper. If if my my all my paperwork isn't right, I can't get that roof permit. So why did this why was he
damaged like this? He should have never been. The city will find out. Thank you very much. And it also draws the question of do you want Lake Street to be single
family home next? But that but if it is and we change to single family, his application is over. That's right. That's exactly right. Nice speaker. Good evening, Mr. Good afternoon. It's way past afternoon,
Mr. I get up in the morning. It's midnight already. I'm s J. As my sister B, you stated earlier. Mr. Martell, you know me very well. Commissioner Clark, Sean, you know, you heard me right on many of
these. In reference, my parents property. I brought Mr. Braden again. I went to him, got my plans, $25,000 preliminary plans, brought them to the
city, signed with Terry O'Neal and his staff, and then all hell brothers because back then we had Mr. Nicoleti as the city attorney. You know where I'm
going with this. We had um David Dian as the police chief. And as my sister said, everything that happened in the city of Stewart, we got the letter. I got the letters. I even went to jail for the city of Stewart. So I got it all. I was
threatened that I was beholding the aid and the bait of drug dealers. Once a drug dealer, always a drug dealer. Where they do that at? But that was the coming from the city staff. And some of you guys are new, so I don't hold it against
you. I was annexed out of the city. They wanted me to sign my rights away to my father's property in a criminal case. Where they do that at, but that's a course of a different day. So, I hope you
piggyback. All right, back to my dad's property. We want to build 106 units, a store, a laundromat, and a restaurant on the property because like everybody, Mr. Bill, I flew all the way from Saudi
Arabia to shar. I said, I'm tired, but I'm here. But we went to the sharet. The chain of prophet was grandfathered in. According to the sharet be after I was arrested and oh sign your rights away. That's when the
city came up with this new code. A little birdie came and told me hey oh why would they change code on your dad's father? I said oh okay. So I let my sister bra know but it happened anyway. I'm going
to tell you all you new guys, no pun, no shots taken. But the old criminals and crooks that were sitting on the board, may God give over their souls because if I had to, it wouldn't be nice. I personally think that it needs
to go back to the urban co as Mr. Bill said. And I still have all my plans. I still have all my budget and everything for my 106 units plus the other toys that I mentioned. The whole time, my five, six years in the Middle East, I
had nothing but time on my hand because as a western, you don't get to go nowhere. You don't get to do that. So, I got to draw plans. I worked with Mr. Buckham. He told me did a great job, but it wasn't one problem. I didn't draw
it still. I'm not an architect. And Commissioner Clark, you and I have had numerous talks. Sean, you and I private talks. So, I don't come into the city very often, but I'm a very vulnerable
person in this building right here because anytime they call me, I come to support this community. My mom and dad were those type of people that weren't wealthy in money. They were wealthy in people. And I still believe that when you paying
$300 for an apartment or a house, what business sense that makes. But I was taught it's not about the money, it's about the people, a place to stay, a roof over their heads. That's correct. So I'm working with the village
of Indian town on a good project, but I've been told I have to go to Miami Dade and federal approval to use the type of materials that I want. And I need to talk to Mr. Star about it because I'm way out of my ballpark when I come down to
construction. But I'm willing to learn and I'm willing to go get and I think we can build a whole lot of affordable housing in East Stewart if the commission is willing to work for and I know as a federal guy there's money out there. There's money in the state of
Florida right now for affordable housing. So when you say it's not there, that's BS. I know better because I got 25 years in the military. I got 25 years working on the federal government. So just like you guys got grant writers and
each senator when they vote on a bill, they hire all kind. I'm telling you what I know what somebody told me. Y'all have a blessed day. Thank you. Any questions? And I can tell you, Mr. Taylor, that your property is 4.06
6 acres and the urban code was allowed 17 acre 17 units by right. That would have given you 69 units by right but the other commercial activities created it as a mixed use and you wanted shared parking. So that was going to require a
conditional use that had to be voted on by the commission. At the time the density was 30 units per acre which 4.06 allowed you 121 units by right. So the other items still being mixed use and
with the shared parking would have required the commission to approve it by a conditional use. Correct. That all still existed until or to to now that you could come before the commission and ask for a conditional use to build the
additional units. At 20 units, it would be limited to 81 units or 20 units per acre and at 30 units it'd be 121 units. But there would also be questions about the activities parking, right? Yes. Mr.
Scott, what's the plan? The plan is to ask the commission if they take their knees up off of our necks for a little bit and give us the 32 units per acre density that we and also I should also mention that one of the plans that that
he had had taken into consideration the half units available. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the East Stewart overlay zone, but it was in the Stewart code. And that was one of the things that's actually been removed as well. So that the density changes a
little bit there as well. Okay. Because my crazy vision is this. Um I know young people want to get away from mommy and daddy and and be grown. Some people go to get in trouble with the law and then they come back in society and they're trying to make it happen. So we got to
have those efficiency apartments for those people that's trying to get back into society and be productive citizens. I agree with you. So I'm just going to say it anybody commission can y'all give us a special appointment and my anybody knows
how to get a hold of me. You know you ask any cop my phone number or you know especially guys at the county you know just hey let's get a hold of us. They know where I'm at 99% of the time. They even ask the guys over the county garage, "Hey, where's Lucky
at?" They'll say, "Hey, he's over here." So, I'm not that hard to find. Mr. Stars, he's willing to work with my family and we want to get this project done. Because Steuart, I I I come in Steuart some mornings and God bless her soul. Miss Matt, I would go buy her
coffee and bring it by in the morning on my way to work and drop my son off to school to see her that lady being killed in her own house. That was a travesty. But we got homeless people that I I see up around the McDonald's or hang over by
Walmart living in the bushes. Hey guys, look. And I teach my son, hey, you know, we drink Coke cans, we drink beer. Okay, let's take these can cash them in. Now, let's go to the homeless guys and give some money. It's called teaching the right way and looking out for people.
That's the one thing I learned from my mom and dad. It's not about money. It's about people. And that's what you guys are here for to look out for the [Music] people. So I'm challenging each one of you. I'm expecting a phone call,
personal visit. Sean, you know, you know. Thank you, Mr. [Applause] Good evening. Good evening. My name is My name is Beverly. I live here in Stewart and I'm
not here from Stewart. I'm from South Carolina and I'm here to speak on an example of the growth that we need here in East Stewart. I've been here for like 30 something years now and the more I look
at our community, it makes me want to cry. I myself I always think about how we can
make our community to grow and expand. We need I I first of all let me start from at the Gary Stewart. I came down here in the late 90s and I remember hanging as a teenager
in my 30s, hanging at the laundry mat, you know, just hanging there, you know, having fun, you know, and there was a car wash there. It was a laundry
mat there. It was a beauty uh salon in a in the back of the area, you know, and I'm just thinking it's been sitting there for years now. They took away from
the gas station, which it was all that was the Gary's foundation, I guess. You know, um I I'm just wondering all the office some in the back is office buildings,
you know, besides computer salon and I And if I remember how I feel remember the the young lady that had the beauty salon and the back of the store. So I'm just wondering what is
they going to do about that that park as bringing it back here in East Stewart because we need growth. We need and like most people are saying that we need housing for people
who need somewhere to stay and still are like living out in the wilderness or at the parks or anywhere. You know what I'm saying? And I have seen this myself. There is a lot of homeless people out there is trying to
survive and they don't have nowhere to go. So we really do need growth here in in this community here. We need something for the kids to go to like I would say
like a library, you know, or we need like um restaurants. We need like it's just like downtown Stewart. Um Confusion Corner down here. I I go down there too and
it's nice down there too. But the thing is about it that we need to expand and have growth here and East Stewart like housing, you know, a lot of people spoke about housing.
We definitely need housing, lowincome housings, something that people can really afford and be comfortable and be happy. Right now, we don't have any low income
housing building here in East Stewart. And next thing is I'm I'm really concerned about the funds. I know Martin County is the richest county it is. I don't want
it. Martin, this right here, it's got a lot of money invested. It's a lot of money floating around. So Martin County is not poor. There's a lot of money
here. So in order for this community to grow, we need certain uh like commercial business. We need housing. We need something for the kids,
you know, that they can go to. And my question is, uh, moving forward, that ball field over there where the where the Mexicans play at, I got to say something about that. I
sat on my porch, the city, had their trucks. I'm thinking, okay, so they gonna, you know, um, rebuild the where people park their cars at at the ball
field. They pour as they got the stuff from somewhere. I don't know where I s Okay. So, what I'm saying, why would they pour asphalt down here instead of just rebuilding it, you know, make it a
regular parking lot, all that dust, all you know, I can't even leave my front door because I'm allergic to I'm I'm allergic to dust. You know, it flies it flies in my house. And so I'm just wondering why
would they put asphalt down instead of rebuilding making it as a regular parking lot like this in the outside. Is there any reason why they put that down here? I'm not sure where
specific right here. Right here where they play at the ball field. Yeah, I know. But in front of the soccer field, there's an asphalt parking lot on 10th Street. Is that what you're talking about? It's right where the ball field where the Mexicans play at. I
understand. Okay. So why would they put that there instead of like making a regular parking lot? Yeah, it's not asphalt. It's show because because the city is in the process of completely redoing
the Guy Davis Park and spending close to $10 million to redo everything. That's right. It takes time and $10 million is a lot of money. But if you come to the meetings, you'll know that in this legislative session, there's another $500,000 on it. And it's moving
forward literally next year as this money comes in. But there's no reason to spend $200,000 on an asphalt parking lot to only rip it out two years later. That that Shell Rockrock parking lot has been shell rock. I moved here 1970s. So since
my art collection was since then. So they packed it in and they restored it and expanded it rather than putting asphalt in because they needed parking spaces not only for trucks and vehicles at the water treatment plant but for people utilizing the baseball fields
because they a few years ago they added the and finished the baseball field. It causes more people to come than just the soccer players. So as a temporary fix until they built the tens park and we have the whole design plan. I'm happy to share with you reach out to see all we
can show it to you and it actually has full parking lots asphalt not dust not shell rock. Well, that was my question because I don't understand which I'm trying to
understand and I'm and and I'm looking at this and you know I'm wondering as when is E Stewart is going to start developing you know because we need a lot of we need a lot of growth here and it's not really nothing is is really uh
being built here. We in all due respect, I don't disagree with you. The Gary Dave the the Willie Gary property the city has applied for and received a $6 million grant. We're rellandscaping it. We're trying final
numbers are supposed to be in from the uh state of Florida by May. And if that money comes in, we will be rebuilding that into a 12,000 square foot training center for electrical, plumbing, um, and other, uh, and other, uh, vocational
training as well as a fully landscaped area and then a designated area that can be phased in for additional stuff in the future. We also have a million dollar program to redo MLK Boulevard that's being processed and a $10 million
project on 10th Street um or not the right center but on the Guy Davis Park that's underway. But what we're hearing from the community is that they don't want more development and they don't
want more businesses. They want to keep it exactly the way it is. I understand that sir but the thing is about it what I'm saying is what I'm talking about here is what they going to
do with that at the uh which it used to be the Gary uh right that's going to be the the project le vocational training center the 12,000t building the whole entire place yes oh okay I get it
Now, okay. So, so that way that we cannot have a laundry mat or well, which it used to be here. There hasn't been a laundromat since mid '90s.
The city didn't close the laundry mat. When the state of Florida changed the way that gasoline tanks had to be stored underground, the Gary family decided not to spend the money to pull the gas tanks out and replace them with the fiberglass
gas tanks that don't leak. And as a result, they closed the gas station and the surrounding stuff followed shortly thereafter. I didn't ever talk to them about why they made the decisions they made. But from the late 1990s until
2025, there hasn't been any businesses there. So over 25 years, there hadn't been any business there. But it's kind of sad. It really is. Yes, it is. It's kind of sad. and and I don't like to me personally myself I'm speaking for
myself and um I and our community here the people that live here you know I I would like to see the beauty of East Stewart that's what I I love beauty I walked out my door I looked at
trees I experienced everything you know what I'm saying and for this to look like uh this down. It should be looking beautified. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr.
Christie 373 that was Eastport Circle and uh I couldn't have come up at a better time. You're talking about the Garrett Plaza, but you left off a few things. You left off the fact that it was going
to be a business incubator first and it changed to a vocational tech school and not only a vocational tech school but one from 16 year olds to 24 year olds that have mental capacity
issues. I got an idea idea for you tonight. How about you let the East Stewart community write the East Stewart code?
Got another one for you. How about you let the East community decide what goes on here property? Because I know Kim McCarti brought up some issues regarding all the I could shake
stuff done with the comprehensive code comprehensive plan which is the Bible in the community. How in the world did their plans to go from being a business incubator and still oh it's going to be so great for
the community address economic injustice all this stuff to being nixed off of the plan totally removed you can't go over there and see you can't stand on that property the building that was going to
be put up on Georgia at MLK Okay, that's a collapse that was supposed to be for community that Brinkley had to bring out all the one bedroom apartments that was supposed to put in there that don't do good for East Stewart. There's a lot
of stuff being done in this community in the guise of East Stewart. It's not for East Stewart. The people of East Stewart need to form a community review
committee and they need to decide whether the city says yay or nay. Decide what you want. We've been coming to meetings everywhere and still have to decide what we want. The community sitting
down. The city of you pushing east will be a special place. historically black, historically segregated, red line, all this stuff. So we have cause and justification to
write our code. We should be making all decisions in this era. Every single one of them should be going by the community. Now it's coming up. May we have this, may we have that, that is over. The community needs
to be making the decisions for the community. It's a lot of been going on in here. That's not right. And we got to ask, we got to beg. We got to be humiliated. The notification process in this city for
Easter is hard. It's accepted. It's not adequate. Codes and everything get changed and people in the community like Mr. best experts in this life. My dad, they don't know what's going on cuz
everything had changed so quick. Nothing in this community should be changed. No dirt should be moved in this community, no park, no nothing unless the community. I hope the community is
hearing me also. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Mr. James. Good evening, Commissioner. My name is Frederick James. I live at 901 Southeast Park Avenue. My only comment is um that we would ask that we
do get I live in the community and as Bonnie had stated, she's asking for professionals to look at our community, help designing what needs to be in our community. I'm not the smartest one in the room, but I know that these people do this for a living. people who have
specialties in redevelopment and uh financially blighted areas on how uh to uh to develop those. So I just ask you guys to consider my friend [Music] I would like as much time as some of the
people had here tonight. That would be good. Mr. Mayor, um, first a thanks to the staff, city stewart, people that come here for long hours. I see some guys out in the other room. I think they have to hang around to close up the
building. Uh Mr. Martell is so outstanding with his knowledge of the city of Stewart for the past 40 years. Amazing. Couple things maybe three. Miss Moser triggers me every time
when she goes into the we the professionals line, we the experts line. And the analogy is your school systems that have been being run by the experts for the past 40 years. And you see where our public
schools have gone. I see it every day. eighth graders reading the third grade level. In this world of good versus evil, you need to always know where it's coming from.
your city planners, your county planners, your expert regional planners. Just like all the teachers and administrators in the education system, they've all been educated in
their colleges by the same school of thought. And that school of thought for planning and developing and how humans are going to live in the future involves one major concept and
that is to pack all of the humans into small spaces and save the land for who knows what in Martin County. You see what it is. Your globalist elites buy up all the
land. And they put their fine houses in the middle of thousands of acres of preserve land. While the working man and these people that planned these things, the old model of America where
the working man had maybe a shot at having a little house and a little yard for his kids to play in. That's evil. Oh, no. That's not sustainable. So, be careful. All right.
You don't want you don't want the experts. And that's why I'm so proud of this commission majority for recognizing that they're going to represent the people of the city of Stewart. They got out this commission
majority. One's got the beautiful mullet. He's he's the he's the research engineer at Infinite Crazy Man. Okay. You got the great Italian lady, New York harp fighting
soul. Okay. And you got the street fighting man, the godfearing street fighting man. Okay. Those are the people looking out for you. Okay. And I have come under
fire first of all to Mr. uh Christie and he'll tell you this. I was on the CRB board and Mr. Christy will tell you I was the one vote that said
no no to that whatever it is that school I I said no let the people from the East Stewart area decide what they want to go there now the only beauty of being on that board was it got me more involved with the city and I was able to
mingle with a lot of the East Stewart people in the hall and I spent the last couple years trying to trying to explain one thing and that is simply this. And it's
sad and it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. I get it. The fact that yes, you were divided now. But I say that's a good thing because no longer are you a bunch of sheep being
led by who you thought were your leaders in your eastward community. Amen. That is and every time I come here I see a new map that's awesome. That one back there that shows the homesteaded
properties in East Stewart versus the nonhomesteaded properties. That's a huge tell. There's your sign. Okay. And I see maybe less than half on that map that are homesteaded, meaning less than half
of those uh residential uh lots are owned by the people that live there. That leaves a whole lot of rental property. It says that a handful of people own a lot of land in the city of
New. And I'll conclude with this. The city of the east city of let's call the neighborhood of East Stewart people, it's no different than anywhere else in Martin County. Okay? And I've told people to their face of
the county. You know who the biggest enemy of the people is right now. Not only Martin County, but the city of Stewart and these Stewart very simple people on every issue. You need to look
who's going to profit, who's going to stick the money in the pockets versus who lives there and wants things to kind of stay in the same. And I look them and I know who they are.
Okay, here's the thing. The most dangerous Martin County is the huge land owner who looks around like me at Martin County. now. And I've been here since
1973. And I look around, I go, there ain't nothing left worth fighting for around here. This place is a mess. It takes me freaking 15 minutes to get to win for God's sake. All right.
So that person who owns all the land and looks around and goes, "Yeah, this isn't what it used to be. Yeah, I'm going to sell out. I'm going to sell out and I'll make as much money as I can and I'm going to the new
Stewart somewhere else that looks like Steuart was 35 years ago. So, yes, you're divided, but that's a good thing because it's a great awakening and I would like to think that I played a
small role in that. Thank you. Muppets. Good evening, Mr. H. You got here late. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long day for me. How's everybody doing? Um, so I wanted to come up here again.
Yeah. Aaron Hawkins. I live in 16theast father was Norris Hawkins maybe some people mother's Diane Roberts you know Robert's family but you know we've been here quite a while um I wanted to come
up here and first I wanted to I was also on the CB um but I wanted to ask if the city had considered the special taxing district that's been talked about. Have you guys
had a meeting on it or moving it forward in any way or considered talking to the other governor's bodies in my county on whether or not that's even a possibility? Um because I understand that the goals here are all about
protecting against overdevelopment and stopping um stopping gentrification. And I would like to reaffirm that the best way to do that is a special taxing district focused on uh restricting the
taxes of residential property. But I mean is it do do you think it's not a possibility? It's not my policy to adopt. It would be the requirement of the city commission. But I've never met an elected official in my
life that wants to raise taxes. No. No. It's not raising taxes. It's limited taxes. It's a special tax already limited taxes by putting the CRA over the city over Stu over East Stewart. I understand since
1998, 90% of the taxes generated in the CRA have to be spent in the CRA. So there is no other limiting taxes left to extract. Right. You're talking about Mr. He to me
is No, I've considered it. I can bring some examples for you. Yeah. No, I look into it. I think it's something we should look at. We should look at it. It's one of the many things we should consider and just slow down, right? Because it is a way
of this young 30-year-old said, you know, the city I think needs to need some growth, right? single family home. Absolutely. But you can protect I appreciate the concern you have about
having higher taxes. So how do you control it as one method, but it needs to be absolutely definitely examined? Yeah, that was just something I wanted to put out there again for people to consider and talk about and make sure that we're
considering all of our options. Um, I don't think that I I I really don't think just from my background as a urban regional development professional and someone who worked in real estate for a while, I don't think that was a good idea to
change the zoning. Um, but at the end of the day, that's up to you guys. So yeah, that's basically just like the federal taxing district require referendum. Yes. So this public
would have to vote to tax themselves. That doesn't ever happen. It's a tax limitation. Limitation. It's not But you redirect the tax. Right. I'm just making sure everyone understands that it's a tax
limitation. It's not more tax. Is that okay? Commissioner Clark, um, can I ask the staff to just briefly list all the additional uses and
then list any new or additional change conditional uses. Just go through that before we go. With regard to what's been proposed in the motion or what's existing currently you want to know what does he
change what is existing currently as a conditional use and if it reflects the same as what um Commissioner Collins is saying because I I think that there's some things that are being listed. No, just
just things that are said. I want the exact thing because you'll say like a barber shop was this or that, but I want to make sure that we know exactly what's listed now as a conditional use and what is the other things that he wants to add
before just for the people to see that right now based on his list that he just just go down. So as it as it stands currently maybe that's what you're Yes. What is it right now?
Yes, we can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Can you pull this or Joey, there's only a handful of them that are conditional use currently and then everything else is by right.
Okay. So, your your request is to go for each zoning district. What is by right and then um what is conditional use? So if I go through the list um you will see that single in
your business mixed use a single family dwelling unit is by right a develop a duplex unit is by right has now be considered as a conditional use multifamily dwelling units no no not not
the conditional uses that are listed here that were previously proposed what is it as it stands right based on your motion. No, that's the current code. So, not what was proposed when this was proposed. What is the overlay zone? Okay, so I'm
just going to read without the commission. You said it on Okay, I apologize. Um, I'm going to start from the beginning. It's the business mixed use. Um, single family was by right. Duplex is by right. Multif family is by
right. Accessory dwelling units are by right. Mixed use developments are by right. Family daycare home and residence is by right. A group home is not a permitted use in the VMU. A home occupation is a is by right.
Um a hotel motel is was the conditional use and that was approved prior. Um a Remy and boarding house is a conditional use. Bed and breakfast end is a conditional use.
Adult daycare centers were conditional use. Oh, is it by right? Is that correct? Okay. So, so hotels and motel are by right within BMU. They're not allowed within GRO. Ruins boarding houses are both by
right in both those districts and breakfast. I did not have on mine from Check mark is right dash is not allowed
and cu is right. Yeah. Continue. So I'm just going to go through each district just so it's not confusing. Um if that's if that's will the board. Um so a child care center and the BMU
Um, it's a it was my right. It's very, you know, it probably be better if I just pull a map from the code that's existing today because it's really hard to determine based off this. If you could just give me about couple minutes
with his Okay, we can have discussion. Just just one quick question. Could explain to us what means? Does it mean that I don't need to submit any plans or sex to the city? I can just
bill whatever I feel like billing or or does the city still have to review what I intend to build? It means that you don't need a public hearing. If then if if the city has to review anything that I do, then vite is conditional because
it requires professionals at the city to ensure that my plans and space conform to the development code. Yes. Okay. Florida building code. We need to have understand when we throw these terms
around, it's not a free-for-all. Could staff also tell us what it costs to submit an application for $1,568. Thank you. 532 for
It's not cheap. And it's not free. So, so a conditional use today is probably around $2500. How much? $2,500. Jesus. By the time you pay for advertising and noticing the hearings, you have to pay
for advertising. You have to post the advertising. If you notice the hearings, you have to have people present it for you. So, we estimate it's about $2,500. It's not the application. Okay. Okay.
So, we actually pulled the code from the approved code that exist today prior to if whatever motion happens tonight. So single family is by right in a BMU or business mixed use, duplex dwelling units, multifamily dwelling units,
accessory dwelling units, mixed use, family daycare and the residence. A group home or or six or fewer is not permitted within the business mixed use. A home occupation is permitted by rights. A hotel motel is permitted by
rights. A rooming and boarding house by right. A bed and breakfast in by right. Adult dayc care centers is a conditional use. Child care centers more than 3 acres is a conditional use. A community center is by right. Funeral homes
without predatorries is a conditional use. Buildings are by right. Libraries by right. Museums by right. Assisted living facilities more than three acres by right. Religious institutions more than 3 acres by right school private
um technical is a conditional use. Um then you get the art shops, galleries permitted by right banks and financials excluding driving and drive-thrus um are by right barber shops, beauty shops, salons and beauty
specialty salons by rights. Bars are conditional use. Catering shop catering catering shop is by right. Clubs, lodges and fraternal organizations are conditional use. Massage therapy establishments are are
by right. Micro breweries and craft distilleries is conditional use. Office professional buildings and medical are by right. Restaurants, convenience stores in general, swing drive-thru. There's a section in the code that they have to meet for aesthetics and other
requirements, but it is by right. Retail sales and services by right. Rooftop dining is conditional use studios and art dance studios or exercise by right. Theater excluding drive-ins and theaters by right, public parks by right, public
facilities and services by right, and public utilities by right. And then there's communications facilities um which should not exceed 45 ft in height is by right. Also community gardens are by right urban farms are by right and
government provided public parking garages and lots are are by right and privacy garages and lots are conditional use. Um so now we're back to the general residential which is an office which is
called we refer to it as our acronym and again single family duplex by right multi family accessory dwelling units mixed use family day care group homes is not a
permitted use within the general residential office occupation Hotels and motel are not allowed in your uh general uh residential office district. Rooming and boarding houses, uh breakfast and bed and breakfast,
adult daycare centers, uh childcare centers, community centers, funeral homes without primatory are not permitted within the general resial within the grow district. government buildings, libraries,
um museums are not permitted, assisted living facilities that have more than three acres. Uh religious institutions more than three acres, school and school and private are still conditional use.
Uh arts group, art shops and galleries are not permitted. Banks, financial institutions are not permitted. Barber shops, beauty salons, and specialy salons are not permitted. Bars are not permitted. Catering shops are not
permitted. Club lodges and fraternal organizations not permitted. Massage therapy is not permitted. Micro breweries not permitted. Office business, professional uh medical and veterinarian are permitted. Restaurants are permitted. Retail sales is not
permitted. Rooftop dining not permitted. Studios and art, dance and music or exercise not permitted. Driving theaters are not permitted. Um I'm sorry theaters excluding driving theaters is not permitted. Public parks
are permitted. Public facilities and services permitted and public utilities permitted and um telecommunication facilities are permitted and community gardens and urban farms permitted. government provided parking lot. Public
parking garages and lots are not permitted and private parking lots are permitted. Now you're in your single family duplex district. Um again your single family duplex multifamily are not permitted. Accessory dwelling units are
permitted. Mixed use is not permitted. Family daycare group home occupation permitted. Hotel motel are not permitted. Roomie home rooming and boarding houses not permitted. Bed and breakfast not permitted. Adult daycare
not permitted. Childcare centers not permitted. Community centers not permitted. Funeral homes without primatories are not permitted. Government buildings are not permitted. Libraries, museums, and assisted living facilities are not permitted. Uh religious institutions are permitted.
Schools um are not permitted. Art shops, galleries are not permitted. Banks, barber shops and beauty salons, bars and catering shops not permitted. Uh clubs and lodges and fraternal programs organizations uh
massage therapy and micro breweries and distilleries in office business and professional medical veterinarian restaurants are not permitted. Um, retail sales, rooftop dining, studios, theaters are not permitted.
Public parks are permitted. Public facilities are permitted. Public utilities are permitted. Uh, telecommunication towers are not permitted. Oh, I'm sorry. Community gardens are permitted and urban farms
are permitted permitted. Government parking lots are not permitted and private parking lots are not permitted. Am I Did you say that that funeral homes with crematoriums are permitted in a signified funeral
district? No, they are not permitted. Okay. All right. No, no sign of it. I thought it was with No, they are not permitted. religious institutions are but none of those other. So ju just for clarification on my on my
motion as you went through that I think that help with the charts. Yes. Um, beyond and just just for the record, beyond what is already currently under conditional use, we would just be
adding multifamily dwelling units. We would have that be under conditional use both in BMU and GRO. Muse would be under conditional
use in DMU and GRO. Hotels would be under conditional use. Hotels and hotels under BU. Um bed and breakfast as well would be conditional use in BMU and GRO. Governmental buildings conditional
use in BMU and GRO. ALS and GRO. banks, financial institutions and BMU would be under conditional use. Office business professional buildings would be GR
conditional use rooftop dining theater would be under conditional use of BMU. Public facilities and services conditional use in public
utility conditional use injunication towers would be under conditional [Music] use. And finally, public parking garages, government and private would be
within the BMU. Well, it's already under private, but for government parking garages, it would be conditional. So that's the other thing beyond what's existing which also compared to last time frees up a
lot of uses to no longer have to be under. So, how many uses? Duplex, ADU, family daycare with home and residents,
uh, rooms, boarding houses, adult daycare, child care centers. Um, well, with with adult daycare and child care centers, what what is being relieved is the um GRRO side. It's still going to be
conditional use of the BMU. That's how it stands now. But community centers are relieved. They can be by right, libraries, museums, religious institutions, schools. No,
that's art shops and galleries, barber shops, beauty salons, specialty salons is by right. catering shop, massage therapy, restaurants, convenience, and general stores. This is all by right.
Um, retail sales and service. That's all by which is TK Gunners. Retail [Music] sales retail sales and service is what they do. They have a wheel.
They have a wheel on on a inside a truck that's manufactured somewhere else and they measure the gutter at your house and they cut it at your house and that's it. So, it's retail sales and services. What they the trucks they're box trucks. They're
not the 18 truck that was in the video. They're box trucks and they park them there. But it's sales and service. [Music] Commercial do not belong in these stores. That's what I was told. So they
shut me down. Sorry. Let's get that straight. Yeah. Come on. So for the record, let's get let's get that straight. Parking a commercial vehicle might be different. Can I get some but parking a commercial vehicle might be different, but it's
illegal for the city of Stewart to make commercial vehicles not be allowed to drive down a road. We tried to do that on Palm City Road to make trucks not cut through there. And we were told by the federal government and the state
government that we don't have the authority under the commerce clause of the constitution of the United States to ban particular types of vehicles that are licensed for the roads to use the roads. Now, I don't know what commercial
vehicle you were using in East Stewart or what property it was on, but I don't believe that we have a code that would prevent you from parking a commercial vehicle in your parking in your driveway. They came to the they came to my house and shut it down and I was using my I was just there. I was parking
there. I ain't have no business there. Had a state license. I was working over the road. I was parked there for four years. But this company, what kind of vehicle was it? It was a tandem. Like a dump truck. Like a dump truck. It was a open
carriage. I don't know the details of it or when it happened. It was a tandem. Like if you're looking at a dump truck, garbage truck. The garbage truck was bigger than my truck. Right. And it might have been that it was bigger than a regular parking space. And they were saying you can't park it in the road. You could It was on your own right away.
No, it was it was it was I was doing business with Mr. that party that I was servicing him for for for for payment for trucking on his on his property. So he we made an agreement that I service him as and as as in taking care of his
property, cut the grass or whatever instead of just turning, you know, like like paying him for for for parking there. So you were storing the dump truck on his property? No, I wasn't storing it. I was parking there, right? But but the property that he had and the
property was probably not licensed to be a storage or a parking facility. He had it license as an apartment building and had a commercial dump truck in the parking lot. They might have said you need to fence that in because the code
does require fencing or certain things to be blocked from view from the road. We'd have to ask Mr. McCarthy. But I did four I was there for four years. Okay. I don't you couldn't miss it. Okay. We'll try to find out what happened. It's done. I'm
shut down. I mean, they came over and told me I had to be shut down. They shut me down. But let me speak since speaking about this here on Florida Street. Matter of fact about the railroads right where Spanish company got got seven vehicles, combination vehicles,
commercial. Now, Miss Pard told me that nobody in these stores are supposed to have no commercial. If I was told that from the beginning when O'Neal was there, I would not have put my truck in this community. I was never told. Was it
never told? But my understanding is that you was there for 9 years and still there. Now you got I don't have I don't know all fenced in and blocked from view just like I mentioned a second ago. She said nobody no don't no don't no don't no don't no don't no don't no don't no
don't no don't no don't no don't invest in got himself into it a little more and I don't know where what was being taken out of context but there's other areas of the city where we have people storing vehicles and we say no pursuant to the code it has to be fenced in and blocked from view and in certain requirements it
can't be in the front driveway or it can't be on the front yard things like that but I'm looking at the property you're talking to on street and it's got a 6ft fence all the way around the back and the aerial photo even shows the six you show that's 6 to it. Yeah. You want to stand next to it? See how tall it is, sir?
No. No. I mean, come on. Come on. Come on, guys. I'm not saying we're not going to ft. It's more than 6 feet. What I'm What I'm saying, I'm not I'm not complaining about people making money. He's doing a great job. Like, you know what? He brings value in this community. What I'm saying? I ain't got nothing
against the the gutter guy or whatever. You know, killing me. But at the end of the day, when I was told I was doing something, you want to be treated fairly. Yeah. Yeah, I shut my business down. If I get something wrong, I shut my business down. But 3 months later, builder company came in with six
big dumpster I mean box trucks. They're not small box trucks. They're big ones. We'll look at it. I mean, it's just, you know, we cited the government company for parking the box trucks on the side of the building and said they have to be inside the fence. Well, they could have they could have said something to
me. Sure. I got it. I got it. Great. We'll talk about it. I promise you everybody deserves to be treated fairly. Consistency, right? Commissioner Commissioner.
[Music] So how the code reads if I interpret the parking it says for this for Easter it says storage and parking of one commercial vehicle is allowed provided that such vehicle or trailer is owned or operated by the resident of the property
and that such vehicle is garageed or otherwise screened from view of adjoining properties and any adjoining street public service agency agency vehicles such as law enforcement and those providing emergency response services are exempt. So, does that mean
they can only have one commercial vehicle then in the East Stewart code, how it's written, the East Stewart uh neighborhood code? I I honestly don't know. I haven't reviewed it, but you also could be talking about the single family property and it might be not talking about the motion. We're talking
about the guy's truck. Can we talk about that? Let's not get too far. We're very close to voting here. Can Can we suggest that you call and make an appointment? I think I made that suggestion to him. He said he wasn't going to because he doesn't have the
truck anymore. Mr. Clark, do you have a Yes. a comment on the motion? Yes. I'd ask for the um uses that are conditional now and then of course I think commissioner
Collins said he had pulled some but some new ones are going to be conditional uses. I wanted to ask about multifamily. So um and that's in relationship to the fee that people pay. So there's a limit where certain numbers
of multif family based on the density and of course the size of the property that they're going to fall into a major type of development and there's a minor type of development. Um, and I'm going
to ask Collins if maybe if he could consider that because we're hearing people having hardships and so on. If it's a minor um or something that would result in less than whatever the the minor rate is
based on their density that it it not be um listed as a conditional use. But the whole point of the conditional use is that when the evaluation is done, there's an evaluation that is going to be a minor or major especially that
year. Can you just explain that in terms of what would happen to Are you asking? Can we have something like that separates major from? Yeah, we have the fee the fee the fees listed as major and minor. I have I have it pulled up. They have
development standards, right? Um, I mean, Jody, you can go through it or I can read it off, but the the biggest differences are going to be um for if it's a major development plan application, it's one where a residential project would exceed 35
total dwelling units, a non-residential development over 50,000 square foot, a mixeduse development over 50,000 square foot, a public or private institutional development exceeding 1 acre in land. Um, and then for a minor, it's a single
family, multifamily, or duplex residential project of between 3 and 35 units inclusive to a non-residential development under 50,000 square foot, a mixeduse development under 50,000 square foot, a public or private institutional
development less than 1 acre land area, commercial tenant finishes, and write of weight dedication. Basically, it's the size of the project that's what differentiates between the two. What I will add on to this is I know uh Vice
Mayor Collins has a motion. Um, what I personally would like to see is, and I don't know how we would achieve this, if if we could have what you're proposing on that ESN08 table and bring it back to a
regular commission meeting just so people can visually see it and it's in our agenda packet. That's my opinion. It's, you know, hearing all the discussion is great. I personally can keep up with it, but I don't know if the community can. So if we have these three or four
pages just in in our agenda packet for what you're proposing and then we can discuss it at a regular commission we have with that we now we've taken this around the thing out and and it's been
multiple meetings and over a month on this one chart correct and to Commissioner Clark's point at some point that starts to degrade your uh ordinance. You can't because we've
approved all but this chart and and it should have been something we just went ahead and tidied up with with feedback and this this chart now that would have been two or three more months working on one chart to come back and do it again.
February 24th is the February 24th. Yeah. But how I look at it is I don't want to be in this position in two years and and have that regret like for example when the form based code was adopted. I don't want What about uh are you looking for more clarification? So
what I'm looking for is if your proposed motion could be put on the ESN08 table, right? and it come back on a agenda packet at a regular commission meeting and but wait in just articulating what is going to be
additionally used and what is not do you not feel like that you you don't understand oh I understand it I fully understand it I want the public to understand it and be able to see it doesn't understand well I mean half the crowd left too so
that's just correct I mean I don't care if it takes [Applause] However, we can achieve it to come on an agenda packet to a fifth reading. Not not necessarily the rush, just clarification. How could we achieve an
agenda packet? My name is Larry and my family is at 919 east side and I understand you say you had so he can listen. I mean Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.
Point I'm trying to make is this you're I'm saying you're saying you you have X amount of meetings, but the point that most community was saying all night is there was changes made. We had the sharet. We had all these different workshops. But specifically this I don't
but the point is these changes occurred after we had already thought that we had made the changes and and had a plan that the community approved but it was changed without our knowledge. Right. So so that
that's so this is not really that what you're talking about as a map it is that sir it is that because because we already had talked about the mixed use and all We thought that the plan was already solidified. Like Mr. Bell mentioned before about the urban code was changed
without the community being notified. So that's where all the confusion and everything happened. And like you said, a lot of people have already left and they still don't have an idea of what this whole meeting was supposed to be about. Lee, is there a point where the
ordinance is is is degrade like like we spoke I spoke to become an issue if we keep allow the maker of the motion to ask clarifying question. All right. I I think the longer you go I think someone could make the argument
that the ordinance was already adopted a month ago. So I I I think you know the the the chart is that issue that's up on the screen now was in the agenda packet for today and it seems um not the
proposed motion though. Um well the motion is to approve it but um but but Commissioner Collins has listened to the public and he has backed off what his original you guys all voted for the majority of the board voted for these
changes originally to come back and then um you've had these meetings and you have listened to the the community and and and Commissioner Collins is trying to get the rest of the majority of the board to back off on some of the
original ideas that they had um by removing some of the conditional uses that are proposed here. So, it's lessening what was actually in the agenda pack. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Can I have a question? Commissioner. Okay, staff, can you just
explain to the public please uh the change for the 6,000 square foot for um the parcel lot sizes? That's not That's a motion. That's not partning. [Music] I thought that we were going to work on
that. Cuz um when I started, Mr. Bagot said we were not doing 08. It was 09. No, it's okay. And I said it was 08. And I was at the beginning of the meeting, we both myself and Mr.
raised the issue as to whether or not this meeting was going to be addressing those issues that were adopted on February 24th or was it whether it was going to be limited to the conditional use chart and commissioner Collins said it was going to be limited to the
conditional use chart and no one else raised any objection or issue to that and then it came up again and Mr. Bagot brought the same issue up and Mr. Collins again said it was going to be conditional use chart and no one raised
any other issues and we moved on in that direction. We have clarification. Maker of the motion has the concerns of our fellow commissioners. You wish to proceed with the vote on the motion as is.
So are you not in support? I'm sure you can. We can make a discussion. Absolutely. That's fine. Okay, you can say whatever you want. Get off from five buttons for where can I visually see it if I pull
the agenda packet of city stewart stewart is going to have all the changes in your motion that you're proposing or are there ones that I'm missing? So it's it's always agenda, right? What we're talking about and then we we amend things that you know that are agenda and
we're still in compliance with advertising. Mayor Rich, I can speak for myself. Is there is there anything we've been listening to? We've been listening but you still proceeding.
I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. Exactly. It's like you haven't heard nothing say. Are you done? I mean, I'm specifically
might be a little bit this entire process. I just wanted to see some time because Uh, Vice Mayor Collins, on this uh I'm looking at the agenda packet for the permitted uses. What things were different in this packet that you stated
in your motion because I'm looking at how the ordinance is drafted currently? Yeah, I'll I'll run through them one more time. Okay. So, we're relieving many of the uses from being conditional use. Um
what I'm proposing what I'm proposing is for multif family that multif family would be conditional use within BMU and GRO mixed use would be under conditional use in BMU and GRO
hotels would be conditional use within BMU bed breakfast would be conditional [Music] use governmental buildings would be conditional use within BMU and GRO. ALS would be in conditional use under
BMU and GRO. Banks, financial institutions, conditional use in BMU. Office, business, professional buildings would be conditional use in BMU. GRO rooftop dining that's already conditional. theater uh would be
conditional use. Public facilities and public utilities would be conditional use in BMU and GRO. Telecommunication towers would be conditional use and
government public garages would be conditional use in BMU and they're already conditional use private. So what what it would be relieving is duplexes would no longer have to be
conditional use. They would be by right. Accessory blowing units would be by right. So the the duplexes and BMU and GRRO would be by right. Yes. Okay. Uh family daycare would be by
right. uh room and boarding houses would be better if you get What about bed and breakfast? Bed and breakfast I but it's additional use as that could have the potential to be a larger than just a
room 40 I'm open to if you see that that would not be as much of a threat. Is there anyone in the public that feels that way for conditional uses for certain businesses it being applicable? It seems like it's more for the more intense businesses.
Oh, okay. So, the public can't rec comment on how they feel. Well, I understand if three board members vote to reopen public comment, you guys can start it over. So, motion board, start it again. Perfect. I'll make a motion
then to reopen public comment. I'm looking for a second. We have a motion. Okay. You roll call, please. Marriage. Yes.
Yes. Commissioner. Yes. Commissioner Clark. Commissioner. Yes. Yes. Now it's in like southeast street. Yeah, I think that the the conditional use is still too broad um to be strict.
So I disagree with commissioner Collins in this rundown of applying this conditional use to using is there a particular business or permitted use that like you just absolutely think should be
by right? Well, you know, business evaluation, you know, is is a want to know type of thing. I don't I just think that you when you start to restrict the rights, I mean, it's like putting a salon, right?
But like you don't No, I I think I I want to stand by you shouldn't be restricting the rights, the property rights and the your your the layer of conditional use that you're putting on. I don't have to be specific because you're not within
within the city of Stewart. If you have certain aspects where CU has to come into place, it's already on the books. So now you ask you're asking for an extra layer of CU in a particular area and I think it's it's an unfair burden.
Um the business owner there's several business owners up here. So I don't want I don't want to direct this at one individual. I'm saying as a business owner, I need flexibility and we have flexibility
within the property rights if you own property, right? And so we're still we're still going back to I get trying to prevent intensity and things like that. I think we have mechanisms to prevent that. I I truly believe that
there's never going to be four story buildings and it doesn't work at this point. Maybe in 30 years, 40 years possibly, but now economically the banks are not just going to cut a check for
some fourstory building. Do you think it's possible that with bright line though you may have entities that don't even necessarily need funding? So you they have uh companies again because the type
of ridership that utilizes Bright Line it's it's a higher end service right so the type of people that may necessarily want to utilize Bright Line for work they may be looking at a neighbor like this and companies may be able to come
in build it without any so you have a point about yeah so so I think that when you're talking about ridership Yes, they but it's not just when you look at what makes us attractive in county
water, right? So the big money guys are trying to get to the water, right? The big the big money guys, but the convenience to be able right and they can to make open up a visit to attract visitors to East Stewart, they should have a flexibility.
and create a business model that someone would take a train and and be a historic destination and they come and visit beautiful historic East Stewart with the business that was homegrown by a land owner that exists now. It's not necessarily that somebody's going to
walk into East Stewart. I say the when you look at development, you look at acorage and things like that, you have to buy every piece of land to create this thing that you said can be created. That means the churches have to go, the housing authority has to go, and every
property owner has to literally sell out to create this intense neighborhood that we're talking about. And I don't think you have a populist that's going to say there's going to be people that's got something to trust. It's never going to be out of trust. So, um, I'm just saying
that without getting specifics, there are business owners here. They have commercial property. They don't need a seed process unless it's outside of what is already designated to be to zone and demand use. That's all I'm saying is
just we don't need to create this unnecessary property unless you're going to just do it citywide. And I'm okay with it. Do it citywide. But for these types of uses that are very different than what's any sewer like a threetory mixed use or or a hotel that could be on
right you don't think that it would be beneficial to the neighborhood to be made aware because of the conditional use process to be notified to have input to make sure once again when you put together to do
these types of developments it's got to work right you want to put a hotel in a specific place, the Hiltons and the Marriotts and all they look at demographics, they look at bed usage. That's all I'm asking. I mean, you think that assuming logistically it could
work, right? And financially it could work that it would be in the best interest of the neighborhood to be notified and you would have input on whether or not a use like that that is very different than what's currently in they will have you have that mechanism
in place because What mechanism? Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't if you you're going to have to put it you're going to have to get intense to put certain in. And therefore the current code says that if you get
outside of that you have to have a C process. You have to go to the community. But not for a three story or 35 ft 40 ft. Well, you can have a three story res at 35t 35t. Also, a single family
residence can be built at 35 ft, right? So, what's the difference between a single family res and a commercial use at 35 ft with another 5T for par to to put your your um AC units and things up there. So, once again, you're splitting when you're talking about trying to
think that you can you can have a 35t tall single family residence right down the street. That would be two story. Yeah, it's 35 ft. whether you do it over two floors or you do it over three floors, it's still 35 ft. We're talking about the height
is wrong. I didn't even notice that. Thank you. Like I said, we don't want to just be careful about treading on the property rights with with un unnecessary undue burden. There's already a burden to develop. Um we know that when you get
level of development. There's an extra burden. You got to hire consultants to get it done with it's not a perfect at the tone generally in the neighborhood wanting to be made aware. I
I think that's always been that's always been the most neighborhoods like this. I I we're uniquely I've seen growing up here and going abroad being in the Miami days and the Fort Lauderdale. I still believe
that this is still more accessible um the government that you don't need a bunch of money to at least get. This is unheard of. So we don't need to necessarily go and by by land use
language make that burden a little bit harder. But we will have the expanded what you could do back in ' 04. So the purpose of this would just be to tighten it up a little bit to make sure if it is a very intensive use that everybody can know about. I think in 1998 you couldn't
build the kind of things on the parcels that you can build them now. So with that expanded nothing's been built. But with that expanded use, shouldn't you want the neighborhood? Most people don't even know that on their parcel there. You don't need to restrict the rights
for people to know. Not restricting only requiring that they go to conditional use so that the neighborhood can be made aware. Well, if they have a by right to do something and you if you you say you want them to be let the community know you're restricting their rights, you
want the community to have input. They can have. So, so there's also a limit to again not for all uses, right? Right. So, as a business owner, there's some you want to get buy in from your neighbors, but at some point, there's an
investment that a business owner has to make, and the neighbors are not going to pay that investment back. They're not. So, there still should be a lot of latitude a landlord should have, which to the point of, you know, other commissioners brought it up, you know,
what are we really going to be able to even say no? We're just triggering the conditional use process so people can be made aware. I think what what we're creating that's why we're getting legislation from Tallahassee that's going to kind of do some things that's
going to take the power you have now and obliterate and then it's going to come from Tallahassee but it's going to take away is the ability of voters decide how they want the municipality managed. Well, that's what it's taking
away. the people up here represent. Stay on the topic. Power. No, what I'm saying to you is that once again, you shouldn't be trying to restrict the right of a property
owner outside of that. What are you doing? We're having it go to conditional use aware. That's me. That's cool. No, that is the mechanism by which the existing process process already exists.
You're intensifying it just like you're trying to prevent intensification of building masses in each store. You then turn around says, "Oh, but I can intensify the CU process within each store." So that's that's intensification also.
question. Is there any more public comments? I I did want to add um talking about talking about restricting uses. It's like what do you do? Intensify it? Do you just open up the entire city of
Stewart and by right we can do whatever we want next to our neighbors property? It's like that's why zoning exists. We all understand that in this room, right? That's why we don't have silhouettes right next to your residential neighborhood. There's one in
the city, right? So, it's like, what do we truly do when it comes to zoning? That's why we're having these meetings. The line is going to have to be drawn somewhere. The question is, where do you draw that line? And that's why I want to have the healthy conversation. Um, I do
think it was too restrictive and I believe Vice Mayor Collins thought that as well from the last meeting. Um, it was everything besides single family residential. That was way too intense. I'm sure everybody in this room agrees. Um, we want businesses, it sounds like
on MLK, that's what the discussion I've heard in EAP. The question is what businesses buy right versus conditional usage. And we we keep coming back to this and I haven't really heard any input from the public as well. I've
heard it obviously from board members, but the big discussion that needs to be happening is what businesses do you want by right versus conditional usage because the line's going to be drawn somewhere, Joe. Yeah, it has to be drawn. Where do we put it is the question. I don't think there's there's
a rush to get this done and I don't understand what what the urgency that's I think if you if if honest in this room when you start the zip process commercial was in that process
and the wealthy family that started C coast got word of that and their their process of rebuilding their headquarter made some noise But of course they got a bunch of money and a lot of the folks
that's in East Stewart has deposited their name and you pull that out. We didn't pull out CO. Well, you pull commercial from a zip process of making changes to the commercial development within that, right? So, didn't you do that? Some people did that. It wasn't
you. Well, no, no, no. You're not going to admit that. Look, see, we call this there's a saying called big bank takes the little bank, right? You got enough money, you can make noise. You can
bring your question accusation. So, within the zip process, one of the things we're trying to figure out is with commercial, mixed use, and multifamily parking requirements. Okay. as the conversation develops like we're
having now and we're talking it was determined within the board that we did need to apply the parking requirements that we were applying for multif family and mixed use to commercial. So there was no longer a need to stop commercial
applications from coming in. It wasn't because se was parking. Do you think that do you think each needs to be revitalized? Do you think that half the parcel? No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you think it's amazing if the land owners No, no. They don't. You don't. They don't need to. It
would be amazing. I'm just telling you. I would love to see the land owners property. Come for it. Let them do it. They don't need nobody has stopping the land for 20 years. stop. That's all right. But I can tell you this is that they don't need to be
restricted by a board that's saying they're going to restrict and give you extra burden. Just making sure that the neighborhood is notified. You're going to build apartments and mixed use and large scale stuff like an assisted living facility. Yes, that is not uh
burdensome. We relieve all these other applications have been submitted to try to do that in East. You're like, you're like just moving the bar around. I'm going to move the bar around because I'm challenging the commission to
develop. Yeah, you're challenging. Yeah. [Music] It's a miracle. responsibilities that makes sense. Um, while I appreciate some of the
concessions that were made, it's still a lot to to kind of um grapple your head around. So, I'm of the mindset um that Sean Reed made the motion that or made a
suggestion that all of this information be put down. Let it be table. I know you're you want to get this done. you've been wanting to get this done, but this isn't it's a complex issue. It takes a lot. I am drained.
I am drained. I would like a chance to sit down and act. I'm a visual person. I would like to but but to but tonight you introduce something different. So I came in thinking single family unit adamantly against you brought into some into some
other pieces but there are some things that are left out that I've not had a chance to really think about bed and breakfast was brought up brought up. I need I need an opportunity to sit down with the information internalize it and
come up with an educated decision or a choice or something that I want to say in favor or against. I don't understand the rush. Commissioner Reid gave an excellent suggestion and I hope that you all agree with him. Just table this. Let
us everybody can table it. I would say everybody being evidence it was a comment to what was just said and that is I'm concerned about what the
city attorney has said in regards to the um the length of time in between the original February approval and now putting this off to probably it would be at least another another month and we have the next agenda which has already
been put in place and that is yeah I mean we're looking at another month and so my concern and I I hear your concern and I understand that but My concern is for the integrity of the whole project and that the uh city
attorney mentioned that that might be an issue. And my sentiment is if you're actually looking out or trying saying that you're advocating for these stores, it don't aren't we do the right
aren't we do due diligence? It time frame doesn't matter to me. I want to know that whatever decisions are made are actually going to be no rush decisions. This is a process that
anything that is um put into ordinance needs to be well thought out with full contributions from the community that you represent. What would be according to um the attorney? What
would be the uh what happens if we go past that time? We've been doing this since there's no rush. I understand that the developers and people that own property may not necessarily want us to take action. So kicking the can, taking
this, finding some way to stop it is the exact same thing I've been hearing from multiple board members through the entire process from since September. Fibustering, finding ways to not deal with the issues in front of us to to
table it, to keep pushing it down. This is now this is now the third meeting that we've been discussing one chart but how many process how many comments I don't want to shut down but these these
these these decisions that you all are making impact my family and the entire neighborhood they impact my family this this is this is property that has been in our family for years correct what the decisions that you're making
are going to is going to impact us. So, I don't care how long it takes. The correct decision needs to be made and it needs to be an informed decision. I don't sit down and make and play with my money. I don't I I
take great care, great care. I'm looking at East Stewart as where my grandfather was. I my church I teach at Steuart Middle School. I care about the community. So I generally I I understand what you're saying about big development
this that and the other but restricting what we can do and just you well well you well you came up with a lot you came up with some condition you came up with you came up with some of the conditional uses and I'm not
saying stop the I'm just saying right now but do you understand what the the nature and I understand that but what what is the what what what is what is the going to happen if you do table it. What's going to happen? We'll appeal it.
Why we want your lawyer sent us a letter objecting to why we've already voted on majority of the ordinance and we still have this issue lingering on. He's arguing that we're screwing up. So I'm trying to prevent us from screwing up. So it's your
lawyer screw up from the beginning. It was a screw up from the beginning. this these as the vice mayor has said, we've started this process in September. We've had I I I say seven or eight meetings at this point. We've
spent more time on this chart than any of the other changes and my suggestion would be that we vote on it tonight and and if it doesn't pass and um we just continue we we finalize the ordinance as
is and we would have probably bring this chart up as another amendment and start over with the LPA and do two public meetings and do it that route because the longer we go it's it's we have an ordinance that we have. How would you characterize that? What does that do to the ordinance? The the ordinance hasn't
been rendered and it was up voted on February 24th. So you normally have 30 days to appeal an ordinance, but it's 30 days from the day it's rendered. In this instance, the commission adopted the densities, the the other things and has
asking staff to implement those, but no one can go online right now and see the regulations because they haven't been rendered or published. But if somebody walks in the door, staff request is required to apply the ordinance that was
voted on by the city commission that on February 24th and it's kind of on hold as far as the rendering is concerned because this chart was taken out. And so the longer go, the more likely it is
that someone's going to walk in the door and say, "I put together this application based upon the MUN code and we're going to say everything in your application is not applicable because these changes made in February switch this or that. It's not
necessarily me Stewart. It's, you know, it could be on US one for that matter. But the separation between the tableing of this chart and the adoption of the ordinance creates confusion of such based on the
letter. As I stated, I'm in agreement with the original proposition from commissioner. I'm one person. That's my sentiment. Thank you. Thank you. Any other members of the public wish to speak? Mr.
Skyler. certainly your way. I'm good. I'm sorry. My curiosity is with regards to the lowering of the density from 30 per acre. That's not what we're discussing. We're not talking about that. You asked me to comment on stuff. I'll comment on
this on this. Well, on this my my question to Crystal Bag is, is this process legal? Should should they not have gone through a change in their comprehensive the city's comprehensive plan in order to arrive at these deliberations?
The commission has been up front all along that they intend on um amending the land comprehensive plan after we've done the land development code. So, it is backwards, but they've been prominently intend on doing it. Well,
Mr. Bagget, so is that your advice to the to the commissioner to do it backwards? That was not my advice. I need you on record to say that louder so everybody in this room can hear that. Was that your advice? No, I was never asked that question. All right, I'm asking it to you now. Is that your
advice to have the commission process? It's getting close. Oh, I'm sorry. It's not interrogation though. I'm asking a question. I'm not answering question. Also, you're not answering the question. Starts to violate the purview of the attorney client privilege because conversations
that he may or may not have had with his clients are what you're asking him to disclose. Sir, you asked your question. It's been stated from the D many times that the whole process and yes we've taken a long time of this because
we're treating this community they're all going dead the batteries are dying out because we need to have where are the microphones out is there any for public comment. So if you don't vote tonight, we're
talking four weeks, five weeks, 6 weeks. I might be able to get it on the second Monday of May. It's my opinion and everyone has one. I think the commission majority already does have support of the
majority steward and they understand your efforts to do one thing and that is to have the majority of residents in the neighborhood be informed about drastic
changes that their way. I believe this commission majority has their support. They understand that you are working for them at this point
and the point is well taken that those do not want this voted on tonight to delay is to deter That's that's the strategy. So that's just my
opinion. The only thing I would think would be this and maybe these just just from a venue point of view, this may sound stupid, but if this is like a huge huge decision
then maybe it should be decided in the city hall. But you it this has been no rush job by any means. I have never seen this type of commitment to inform a group of
citizens in a specific neighborhood in my life. Okay. So, this is not a rush job and the lawyer says it's probably time to vote. So,
uh as commissioners, you got to make tough decisions sometimes. If the motion maker doesn't feel as though he has the votes, the consequences of this not happening tonight are what? that it'll be
like then what it's not good process all that stuff again. All right. I think we're there. All right. Thank you, Mr. Crystal. Any other comments by any
members? You're not raising your hand, are you, officer? I do have a question though. Mike, if we adopted the motion as it's stated, if we wanted to go back after the fact and add or remove a conditional usage, how would that process? It would
be an amendment to an ordinance. you going to do a site amendment via LPA review and then two readings in the city commission to amend it. So it wouldn't be that bad and it would keep the city out of trouble. We took a vote tonight just so you're aware we can't change it
and it's an easier process to change it than voting tonight. It's harder though. It's harder if you don't vote tonight. But if you vote tonight amendments. Correct. The amendments are
easier. What we're doing is an amendment to the current ordinance. But if we want to go like like say this uh resolution got adopted or ordinance tonight, but we want to go back after the fact this ESN08 additional usage. How long of a
process is it? Well, it depends. If you were going to have workshops on it, then you would have workshops. But if you weren't going to have workshops, you could go straight to the LPA and have one LPA meeting and then two city commission meetings and adopt it legally
under the state law. But the community has said they don't like it when you do it that way and they want you to have public workshops and so it would be really a question of how many workshops you wanted to have.
Yeah. Because I I I think honestly if we voted on the motion right it passes it doesn't pass. If it passes we can go in after the fact and if there's a specific business that someone wants to do you have to do a conditional usage we can go
in after the fact and it's an easy process to go through the LPA to commission readings instead of us doing this process since September and we've been at this chart. So pass tonight audience. We can always
any other comments down to one mic. She's going to commissioner. No, it's Monday and second Monday. We have an agenda. You have to address the motion.
We have a motion to continue the first meeting by commission by the vice mayor. Any public [Music] comment for the public? We're going to table the DND. I know you all want to
stay here till 2 in the morning, but we're going to table the DND on the proposed zoning changes. That's a very lengthy process. Anyway, the map amendments. Yeah, the map amendments. So, u the first meeting second Monday, which is the first meeting.
Okay, we're going to vote on that right now. All in favor? I I meeting is adjourned. I think you should be good. I'm good.