Um hopefully the the other two will get here, but we have a quorum, so we're good from that standpoint. All right, let's call the meeting order. Roll call. >> Chair Breville >> here. >> Vice Chair Moser >> here. >> Board member James.
>> Board member Laughlin >> here. >> Board member Monero >> here. >> Board member Sharer >> here. and board member Whan. >> All right. Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. All right. Looking for a motion to approve the minutes or if there's any changes. Motion to approve.
>> Okay. Bonnie approve. A motion. Second. >> Second. >> Jeff. Second. All in favor? I opposed. All right. Um, we'll go. >> Can we approve the agenda, please? >> Oh, did I skip that? >> Yep. >> Oh, sorry. Can I have a motion to
approve the agenda? >> So moved. >> I'll second. >> Clay will. Uh, all in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Sorry about that. All right. So, now we're um comments from the public on
non-aggenda related items. You guys, anybody have any comments? >> I have none, chair. >> Okay. Uh comments by the board members on non-aggenda items. Start with you, Will. You got anything here this morning? Actually, I hate to
be that guy that drags a meeting, you know, out for hours, but I I have a place to be at 8 o'clock. So, I can guarantee that I'm not going to be here that long. But I do have some comments. Um, first comment was all government programs, no matter how well-intentioned, ultimately take from
one group and give it to another. And once a program is established, it rarely if ever goes away. Typically, there are unforeseen and unintentional consequences related to these government programs. Now, last week or I should say last month when we had the meeting with the
spice and tea exchange, we had a we were very conflicted and I thought we did a great job and and I was actually very proud and honored to be with this group. Um and and uh >> just wait, we'll change that. >> Well, yeah. You know, it struck me as
like a you're like the William Wallace. we're the student cl and we're we're not going to allow these outsiders to come in, you know, and and and I had to break ranks and and vote yes, you know, and and that it struck me because something was eating at me. So, I ended up doing
some more research and then the research I did, I called like the corporate offices of of this company and snooped around to ask them questions, found out that basically those individuals, the Gordons who had applied aren't going to get any benefits really. In fact, if
anything, they they didn't flat out admit it. I could tell from their tone of voice that they knew that if anything, they were more of a hindrance to them. So, after all of this conversations and breaking down things, I said, "Well, I'm going to go speak and I did to the regular county commission
and said why I thought we should they should maybe consider approving them >> even though it went against this board." So, I kind of felt bad about that, but I'm like, well, that something was eaten at me. Today, we have a moral dilemma in in my opinion. And so as I was reading
what was on the agenda and in and moral dilemmas basically can be defined as choosing one option often means violating the ethical considerations of the other. So essentially this led to the whole me
thinking about the CRA and what's this all about? We we're going to grant $3,000 of taxpayer funds to potentially grant 3,000 funds to um a business owner. I'm all about small business. So, I'm sitting there thinking, well, okay, you know, how am I going to vote on
this? I set it aside and then, you know, it comes to the as I'm sitting there thinking about it, you know, I thought about the individuals that spoke at the at the one meeting in support of specifically um
you know, well, really, do we have the right to force at gunpoint as law enforcement will enforce foreclosure on somebody if they don't pay their taxes? Do we have the right to specifically ask another to give to somebody else? And I thought
of the comments from Miss Peters who is the owner of the Funky Monkey I believe. Uh then Miss uh Campbell who I think is the owner of Gumbo Limbo and Mr. Moore of Kilwins who spoke about free markets and beyond the code was unconstitutional
in his opinion. and and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I'm like, "Wow, this is kind of a dilemma, right? Coming up ahead of me." So then in in a divine intervention, it's funny how things happen. I set something aside and usually within 15
minutes or so, something will pop in out of nowhere. So I open I click on a financial site and I'm looking at this article and I see somebody make a comment. Oh, that's a great link. So I'm like, I got time for that. I'm worried about this other thing, but what the heck? I'll click on
the link. And then what it was is a Harper's Weekly story from 1867 of Congressman Colonel David Crockett. And then I'm like, really? Okay. I like history. The title was not yours to give. I'm like, oh boy, here we go. Divine intervention. Okay.
And then so I read the article. It's a great little article. It's a short story, but it says the power of collecting and dis dispersing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man. This is back in 1867. Today we could say man or woman I suppose to be politically
correct. Um and that struck me and I'm going to save the the whole article and it says you have the right to give one or I should say if you have the right to give to one you have the right to give to all. And as the Constitution neither
defines charity nor stipulates the amount you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe or profess to believe is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You
will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism on the one hand and for robbing people on the other hand. And instantly I thought about this guy Jim Chanos in the financial markets back
in 1999. He was on the other side of the trade of what I was on. I'm like why is this the famous short seller? >> I'm like this guy probably knows something I don't. So I dumped the position and he was right. Stock cratered and he's got this great reputition or reputation. Just recently
a couple years ago now he says this is the golden age of fraud. I'm like yeah I see it everywhere. if you if you if you do any research, it's everywhere and it's creeping into all kinds of things. So, that's kind of a long story. Thanks for your time and thanks for the public
enduring my uh being patient as I ramble on here. But, we have a that major concern of this moral dilemma that we face today. And I just thought I'd bring that into your attention. And I also want to add one last point. As I was
researching the CRA, I I sent an email to Panel and she was nice enough to call and then actually answered all my questions and she's doing, you know, she's very diligent, very professional, and she identified and correct me if I'm wrong,
Panel, your your your funding last year, your budget last year was 13 million in 2024 and then it's roughly 23 million this year, which is a 77% increase, which is spectacular by any measures. So we have a very competent individual working for the city of Stewart and with
the city of Stewart. But at the end of the day, it also hit me, well, okay, 10 10 million of this was in roughly in in grants. That's other people's money. And so the CRA, the question comes back to the title of that article. Is it our money to give
away? Now, I understand I'm not here to change the CRA or anything like that, but I just hope that everybody considers the moral dilemma of what we have here because there's something else. And maybe I'll bring it up and as I start digging around some more. I think
December is supposed to be my last meeting as I roll off. That might be my, you know, here Jeb, hold my beer. I got some I got You never >> try something. My famous last words. >> You never roll off. You're stuck. >> Oh, no. So anyway, but I did think I found kind
of a to go back to the tea and exchange company. Whoever wrote that that code, they didn't mean it to be a wall like a castle wall says, "Nope, no, nobody's going to come into our clin." No, they meant it as more of a hurdle. And I felt
that they may meet the hurdle. So I think I might have found a potential way around what this moral dilemma today. At least I like to think so. So, thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> And that reminds me, can I >> Yeah, go ahead. >> I I had some exparte. I had the the
landlord, Max Duche, contact me >> and ask me to rethink the situation and spent a good amount of time presenting his position. And to be honest, I was swayed and I would probably have voted yes if I had had the
conversation ahead of time. Um part the main consideration for me was that he has multiple other opportunities to lease the space that would be more far more detrimental to downtown Stewart than the t-shirt shop.
>> Yeah. >> T-shirt shops. The people that like on the other side that are running out and grabbing people and pulling them. even if they when they come in they're not telling you they're going to do that but they're going to do that afterwards and try to enforce you know that that
they're unable to do that is is going to be difficult to enforce. So he swayed me towards the other side and I would probably shift my position if we were back in time. >> The uh Clay, do you have a comment on
that? Um it's it's hard to follow my uh esteemed colleague there at at the end, but um and I wasn't planning on commenting on that, but since he brought it up, I I I'm not sure I fully followed you, Will, but um around the to me
you're you're sort of getting at the it sounds like you're getting at the purpose of the CRA. Um and I think it's as in the title redevelopment. So the the community has kind of agreed that we want to reinvest in some spaces and this
is a mechanism by which to do it. Um and yeah it does um it's been around a long time but if you you make a good point about the let's say the I don't know if revenue is the right word but let's just call it the budget um for the CRA. So it's been around a long time. The budget
has not been very significant until just very recent years, but that's it was almost like the strategy. If you get it into the history of the CRA, that was kind of the strategy. Most of them go that way. They kind of take off like that at a certain point because of the the tiff funds, the the source of the
revenue. Um, but that's not a it's not a surprise. I think it was intended and planned that way. Uh, that being sort of separate from the purpose. If if folks have a view about the purpose of the the CRA and whether you know whether we as a community want to redevelop or invest in
redeveloping and proving the community, you know, it's a different topic. I that's why the CRA exists. That's the way I see it. >> Um if I could change subject for just for a moment. Um >> yeah, go ahead. I want to finish up on this though when we >> Okay, go ahead. I I'll come back.
>> Bonnie, do you have a comment on that subject? >> No, >> I I did want to follow up on that. Um, and I do appreciate you bringing that up as a topic, Will, uh, just for discussion. We can't take any action. We can't we haven't publicized anything, so we can't do anything on that. But, but I I would me I was going to bring up at
this meeting um, in general that, um, that I think that it's it's time for the city commission to look at that formula business
ordinance. um because it is not clear and you know ultimately um you can have all the ordinances you want but if they won't hold up in court then whoever's got the most money is going to win. And you know my concern
with that thing was not the person that was coming in from a practical standpoint. I like the people. The business itself seems conceptually to be good. But my problem was that if you don't turn down a business that has 98 locations and you know, how do you turn
down Dunkin Donuts? How do you turn down uh Ruth Chris? How do you turn down any of these corporate entities? And the whole purpose of formula business was to keep out the big box store type businesses legally. And you can't just say we're not going to have any big box stores
because that's probably illegal. So, so that's, you know, that's what I think needs to be done. I was going to mention it here at to staff that maybe they could mention it to the commission that we thought it would be a good idea for them to take a look at because if we're going to enforce something, it should be
something that's enforceable is is really what my issue was. And um so I u I appreciate that. The other thing I was going to mention, and Jolie, you can jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong, but when they talk about a $23 million
budget in that kind of a situation, they use fund accounting. So, the tax dollars come in and they stay here someplace until it's time to spend them and then they become part of the budget. So, what you're seeing is money that was, you
know, has to some degree been accumulated. Um, and now we have projects that we need that money for and it's brought in it's brought in to spend. Um, and u, you know, so theoretically
it it could go up and down from that standpoint. Um, even though the revenue source is relatively constant coming in and maybe increasing uh, as you as you said Clay, the same thing. So, um, but I think it is important for us
to understand that that we I appreciate what you're saying, Will, and I appreciate though that the CRA is there for us to get a leg up. I mean it's to give cities and municipalities and counties an opportunity about cities in particular
or areas an opportunity to to get a leg up and you know generate some money that we can spend in the city that sales tax dollars that come in that we get to keep are are small. Uh you know we we bring a bunch in but we don't get to keep much.
So and and this is an opportunity for the city or at least a portion of the city to to get some dollars in. And so, you know, I I appreciate it from that standpoint. I think it's good. But I think there's also we're having a tendency to uh I think what we have to be careful of
as a board is make sure that we believe that what the money is being spent on is not just to spend it. >> You know, it does have to be spent in a CRA, but that doesn't mean it has to be spent on bad projects. So, um, but I I
think your comments are really good and and particularly as it relates to to the formula business. I mean, I was going to show up. Um, and that's one other thing any I appreciate you guys showing up at commission meetings and if you want to speak even though it's here, you know,
you're you're resident, citizens, whatever, you have a right to to voice your opinion. So if there was something you thought, you know, didn't get voiced correctly and and I encouraged I encouraged the commission to take a look at our meeting from when because we were conflicted and I thought we did a pretty
good job of of trying to analyze it. So So I think going forward that's um I mean that's one of the things that I think I I would like to see somebody take a look at that um uh at that ordinance. And because of Senate Bill
180, we we may not be able to to change certain things, but >> but it may be we have room to do that on this because it's a little bit different. But u but anyway, so I you know, I appreciate that. And uh but Clay, go ahead. Sorry, I'm you had another topic. So or something you want
to mention? >> Let's uh Okay. So um just a maybe a clarification and either uh Mr. chair, you can clarify or or maybe Lee would, but you know, on a quarterly basis, we have this sort of joint meeting between
the CRB, the CRA folks, and the commissioners. >> And we all sit in this very fancy square looking desk thing. Um >> that's because we're important. >> Yeah. It's nice when we're Well, we're more important than today. >> That's right. Um so um it what I will be
helpful for me is just a reminder on the fact that we have a we have a chair and a vice chair of this board but that's not necessarily who's voting who or who has a vote in that joint meeting. So then in that joint meeting uh not all we we're all part of it but we're not all
voting members. U there's two from this group who are who are voting members. Correct. >> Uh and that's um >> Mark and Fred. >> That's you and Fred. Right. >> It's not you. It's not the chair and the vice chair. It's we select it independently. I think >> and a lot of times it is the chair and the vice chair. But in this case, Bonnie
had indicated that she couldn't she couldn't do it. So Fred volunteered to take that. >> Just for clarity. So those are the two people who vote at that joint meeting. Correct. The rest of us are just hangers on >> uh hopefully influencing things with our wisdom. >> Usually the items that I have I try to
bring to CRB and CRA so that CRB can make a recommendation, provide feedback. Uh but sometimes I just bring an item at that joint meeting especially when we have a consultant and we're paying a lot of money for the consultant to come out and give a presentation. So at that meeting I usually have everybody give
feedback but the CRA gets to vote on on the item. >> Uh >> so not even the city commission. It's the CRA unless it's something that requires city commission uh action item then they would vote on it. Not even the CRA. >> Gotcha. So the CRA I guess technically is the commissioner's N2 from here.
>> Right. >> Got it. Okay. That's That's helpful to know. Thanks for that. >> Yeah, that's the way it works. >> I'm good. >> All right. Bye. >> No. Okay. All right. Um No, I I appreciate u I appreciate everybody and their comments
and consideration and I I think um you know, I appreciate what you guys are looking out for and I think we should continue. Um and I like the fact that we have some good discussion between the group and we don't always agree on everything because that's that's a good thing. Uh what is it? Friction makes diamonds. Is that what they say?
>> Yeah, that's sometimes. Yeah. >> It also makes you lose your hair sometimes, too. Yeah, >> I know that. So, um the the one thing I I know we had there was plans to have a um you know, a little appreciation thing and I guess we didn't have a lot of people sign up or whatever. And and so
we got these nice little gifts, which is cool. Um, and uh, but uh, I was I was thinking that maybe we as a board here, we could just sponsor or host kind of just a real informal thing sometime in
December where people can come in, you know, they can, you know, maybe have an ordurve, do whatever. And, um, and, you know, we can, maybe we could get Main Street to help us uh, maybe we get Main Street to help us uh, coordinate it. and you know nothing real formal and nothing
real long just uh you know just and we can invite the other boards and stuff as long as it's noticed I don't think there's a problem with it you know that we're doing it I know we've done it in the past that's why I mentioned it I know it was kind of nice you know people would just it was casual it wasn't wasn't business so to speak and uh we
would just have a local thing so it might be something to to think about um you know everybody's busy so I understand that but it's kind of nice to get together and get a chance to talk to the other people people on the LPA. We don't talk to them. We don't get to see them a lot and you know that kind of
thing. So anyway, I just mentioned that all maybe we can look into it just as a you know just kind of like a little open house type thing. Nothing formal. So all right. Um and if that's no other items from
nothing nothing there. Okay. So let's get into the um the action items. Um the first one of the action items uh labeled number two is a um minor urban
code conditional use. U and this will be quasi judicial by the way just so that we can be clear with it. A minor urban code conditional use a mural on Matilda's building located at 15 southwest Flagler Avenue. Resolution number 02-2025
CRB. a resolution of the community redevelopment board of the city of Stewart. Uh, by the way, that's because we do approve this. This is one of the few items that we have final authority on. um redevelopment board of the city of Stewart, Florida, granting a minor conditional use approval for public
artwork mural named welcome to Stewart, happiest seaside town on a property located at 15 Southwest Flaggler Avenue as described within the attached legal description, granting approval to paint a mural on the exterior southern wall of the building, providing an effective
date, providing for conditions of approval, and for other purposes. So that's uh basically the uh uh what we're looking at. So uh did did any of or has any of the board members had any kind of um uh
exparte communications relative to this subject? >> No. Okay, good. >> N um and if there's none, we'll just state that there was none. So just so we know there was none. supposed to say something about not having little reminders. Yeah, we're um that's where
we're kind of at that we didn't have any exparte communications but any outside meetings by the way the um that would include with citizens and other people but anyway so um and as Bonnie uh mentioned hopefully we're all here with an open mind so I know I am and we hope
so um >> okay so >> if you'll have each of the members say whether they had exart communications or none okay go ahead Will >> I had no uh experte communications and I'm here with an open mind.
>> I had no exparte communications and I'm here with an open mind. >> Uh I had no communications and I'm here with an open mind. I had no exparte communications and I'm here with an open mind. >> I had none and I'm here with an open mind.
>> All right. Are we going to swear people in then or just >> I know the I know the form says the clerk but city attorney usually does. Yeah, I know. That's why I was Okay, good. >> So, if everybody anybody and everybody who will be attending on testifying, uh, including staff, you'll stand up and
raise your right hand. >> Do you affirm that the testimony that you're about to provide in this hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God. [Music] >> Um, okay. Um, who's going to make the
presentation for staff? >> I am. >> Oh. Oh, there's Jordan over there. Yeah, she's hiding behind those screens. I didn't see. >> Uh, good afternoon, CRB board members. Jordan Pingston, CRA program manager. For the record, CRA received a mural matching grant
application proposing a mural on the wall of the Matilda's building in downtown. The application is processed simultaneously with the mur with a minor conditional use application approval process which requires approval from the CRB as mentioned by the chair. Um the
minor conditional use application review requires the applicant to meet public art criteria and public notice requirements in accordance with the city's land development code. The Matilda's application has met both requirements. As mentioned, the proposed mural will be on the exterior southern wall of the
Matilda's building located at 15 Southwest Flaggler Avenue. The artwork will be highly visible to the public by those visiting the shops and vehicular traffic in Confusion Circle as well as Southwest Flaggler Avenue. Uh some of you may recall the original
Welcome to Stewart Mosaic mural that was previously at this location. The city and Martin Arts or the arts council applied for a national endowment for the arts grant in 2002 and there were four murals created as part of that project. Um the welcome to Stewart was one of
them. The mural was originally designed and created by Moren Fulgenzi. Unfortunately um over the years the tiles began to get weathered and the and there was cracks and the colors began to fade. Um there were also roof leaks in the building that caused some of the smaller tiles to fall off. Um, so
ultimately the maintenance of the mural just became too difficult. Um, and currently the proposed mural location is now blank. Um, and then the lights have been strategically placed above the awaited mural. The new proposed mural will refresh the building and bring a more vibrant twist
to the original mosaic mural. The welcome to Stewart happiest seaside town mural will welcome visitors downtown with a vibrant nature inspired elements to the unique to Florida. Um, and the mural is a lively vintage feel which complements the neighboring businesses and historic charm of the shopping
district. The proposed mural will be about eight 18 feet wide by 14 ft high um and correlates well with the surrounding murals such as the one in historic downtown district which is the house of refuge at sunrise and the old Colorado in the then and now.
Um, also the artwork will be executed by Cynthia Santos, who has been in the industry since 2013 and has experience working on murals of this size and quality. Cynthia is the co-founder and creative director of Chalk and Brush muraling and sign painting. Some of
their murals can be seen at Starbucks, Spotify, West Elm, Ford, Lexus, um, Coral Gables, the Dolphin Mall, just to name a few. Um, but if you'd like to learn more about the artist, I have her full portfolio that I can share with the board. Um, the Arts Council of Martin County
also reviewed the rendering and believes the bright flora to fauna designs fit the down fit the downtown district and ties into the aesthetic of the nearby retail spaces. They stated that the happiest seaside town is a positive message to all that visit the downtown
space. Um, however, they did issue concerns that the S in the Stewart gets lost in the white space of the design, making it kind of hard to read. Um, so the applicant will be working with the artist to make the design element easier to see as a condition of approval.
Um, so at this time staff would like to request a motion to approve the proposed mural subject to the following conditions. That the project shall comply with the attached mural rendering in exhibit D in your agenda packet. The property owner shall be responsible for maintenance of the artwork on the building located at 15 Southwest
Flaggler Avenue and that the artist will adjust the S in Stewart to be more visible. I mean, is there any opportunity for comment on the design? And I mean, you say there's already it's already under review for Stewart being not as as clear
and legible and stand out as >> well. The welcome too, I think, is what >> I see the same happiest the happiest seaside town is also understated in the mural. I think it should be a little bit more prominent. So keep in mind um that this the mural
is 18 feet wide by 14. So I mean it is going to be a lot larger scale. >> Okay. >> Um but of course I mean anything can be conditioned in in your motion and these is just staff recommendation. >> Right. >> Do you need a motion?
>> Um we will but uh yeah we can we can do a motion to discuss I think if at this point. Is that right Lee? Or do we need to still Well, first I think we have to find out if there's any more public comment. >> Well, uh, also the applicant has a right to also give a statement or presentation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> which is next on the list. >> So, um, uh, >> again, we have the the blue sheet. So, if you want to follow along that, that'll keep you on track. >> Yeah. No. So, the um um, so we we're on the board member
questions, right? Is where we're at now. I thought we needed a motion uh to discuss. >> Uh we're not discussing now. If you'll see next on the list, it's the applicant presentation. Applicant has right give a presentation and add what the staff has
>> and then the next would be questions for the board members would have for the applicant andor staff. >> Okay. All right. All right. So, we've had staff presentation applicants >> and then after that we close the hearing and at the conclusion um then there would be recognition for a
motion. >> Okay. >> All right. >> So, chair um Miss Dana Small is the property owner. Unfortunately, she's out of the country at this time, but she has um sent a representative um Miss Kristen Bar in her place if you do have
questions. Um she's here today. >> Okay. Dana, >> thank you all for having us here. Inspo for the mural. Having Thank you. Having lived in Stewart for the past 25 years and occupying the building on the
intended mural location for the past 18 years, I really have come to know this city and its community and very proud to call it home. I wanted to bring something colorful, something inviting, something that feels as welcome as a welcome stamp to the community that lives here and the people that visit. No
better way to paint welcome to Steuart, happiest seaside town on the wall of my building and share that expression with everyone that walks and drives by. The subject matter is neutral and intentional, sharing the beauty of our local flora and fauna. Without looking like a state seal, we created something that has a lasting image and color
palette. With social media as a major tool in our everyday lives, I think this will be a welcomed backdrop for endless photos and social media outlet. The proposed size of this mural is to fill the wall in its entirety and bring a splash of color to the landscape of downtown Stewart. Thank you for your
consideration of the proposed mural. Best regards, Dana, >> can you uh and is uh who owns the Matilda shop? Is that Dana? >> Dana does. >> And she owns the building as well. Okay. That's why I just want to check. And then the um I take it the artist is not
local though. >> Correct. Miami. >> Miami. Okay. Miami. >> All right. That's why >> um does anybody else have any questions for the >> um >> I have a quick one.
>> Um you all recently updated the exterior of your building. Did we use any CRA funds for that or that was just funded by the owner? Okay, thank you. >> You're welcome. >> I I have some questions. I think on page 48 of the agenda packet, maybe it was,
there was another rendering with the blue background. I don't know if you have that, Jordan, or not. >> Yeah. So, it's >> that might help illustrate because you intend to have a blue background. >> It's a pale pale blue already painted on the building. >> I Yeah, it'll help maybe resolve some of
the concerns with the S because when you have that background on there, it it it stands out a little bit more. Um, that's just one thought. Um, >> yeah, that >> there it is. Yeah, I know what page that was. >> So, yeah. Well, um, phase two of
tonight's meeting is the artwork for the grant match. So, that's part of that presentation. So, you will see this later on. >> We're jumping ahead. >> I'm jumping ahead. So, >> completely fine. It's part of the It's part of this uh item, too. So, >> okay. Very good. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Same with you. >> I got to read more. >> All right. Um, >> so just for clarity, so the that's a great point though that will brings up. So the so the action item two is just around the the minor code and it's action three that has to do
with the match. >> Correct. You are just approving the artwork at this time which CRB is the final approval. >> I see. Yep. That's helpful. Okay. I I have a follow-up question about the artwork then. I see you have I'm going
to be a nitpicky. All right. So because I guess I can. So I don't know if we have Rosetta spoon bills in this area. I don't remember ever seeing any. And then the selffish, they don't have those kind of scales. And again, that's just minor stuff. I don't know. But I guess my
question is maybe you know, did did um I guess really the underlying issue is did Dana, Miss Small, did she choose this particular rendering or were there multiple renderings? >> There were multiple. >> Okay. And this is the one she wants. Okay. Perfect. Okay, good. All right. Well, that's
fine. It looks good. Yeah. No, it looks good. I like, you know, I like the colors. So, anyway, I was just hoping that she was the one that was presenting this and and and >> she's an artist herself. >> Oh, good. >> Good to know. Thank you.
But I think it I think Will's point's a good one is, you know, we almost had a building here in town that was uh was going to have to be called Marlin condos instead of instead of sailfish condos because the fish they put outside was a marlin, not a not a sailfish. So, it's
kind of embarrassing when it gets up on a building. So, um >> yeah. Yeah. Just check it out that we got the right thing that we're not dealing with a swordfish maybe or something. I mean, we could, but we're a sailfish capital. So, >> yes. Um, yeah, I think, you know, just double check that. Um, all right. Any
other questions from board members relative for the applicant or All right. >> I I would I would just follow along with Will's uh eagle eye around uh local uh let's say species, I guess. And so
I'm looking at the plants that are there. And um if we want to get really picky, I'm not sure. Mona is actually a local plant with a nice big leaf that has holes in it. Some people call Swiss cheese leaf. And then actually, although oranges are wonderful, they're also not native, but we kind of accepted them as
as local. So, I guess those get by. >> Um, but I um I do agree with Will. I would just recommend that the artists or the folks just make sure it's it fits with Steuart, right? Whatever species they go with, the colors are great and the intention is great. Let's just like
Mark said, let's not have a major mistake in representation. That's all. >> Okay. Um, does the staff have any further comments on the presentation? >> No, sir. >> No. Okay. Um, and applicant, do you have
any further? Okay. Um, at this time that uh, you know, we'll we'll close the hearing. Um, we'd uh and we'll ask the board to deliver it in public. So ask them to
cite the facts being considered and then to state their position and formulate a motion. So at this point um I'll just start off and then you guys will we'll take turns. We're going to go with Bonnie after me. So because she gets left off here. I know she's she wants to be. So um I I
wanted to piggyback on what Will said because um you know if one can have it all can have it, you know, type thing. And um but I do think this is a a really good program and almost the way we do it here in Steuart at least I don't think I've ever seen
these things really turned out. I've I've seen people you know question and that goes through that's why the art council is invol arts council is involved. Um I've I've had people question you know maybe the design a little bit or or whatever else. um or whether it meets the definition of art
because I hate to say it but occasionally somebody will try to you know slip in a a fence and call it art because we've seen that. So, um, but anyway, so, um, you know, I think that's that's important to understand that and
we've we've always tried to give preferences to to local artists u when, um, when we're doing these kind of things. But, uh, but I think this is this is a unique, you know, it is a unique uh, uh, mural. And um I I would
ask just kind of out of curiosity for Jordan or for Panol, do we I mean resource- wise these are usually these are 3,000 of usually 3,000 a pop, right? We don't do more than that typically.
>> Yeah. And just if if we all of a sudden had a bunch of people running into uh to put up murals, um would um would we run out of money? I mean, is there >> Well, I budget about $20,000 every year
for the program. I know at one point the Creek District was trying to um you know, work with a lot of property owners to see if we can you know uh use one artist to do all the different murals in the Creek District. So, we could have multiple at the same time and then we
would present all of that to the board, but we haven't really moved forward with that. >> Okay. >> But, yeah, maximum 3,000 per property. >> Per 3,000 per property. So, and I like that the um I like that the property owner is local and I like that the property and that the business is
locally owned. I think that's great. And um so I'm I'm generally in favor of this. But go ahead, Bonnie. You're up. >> Um yeah. Um I don't know how many murals I've approved so far, but what a breath of fresh air this one is. Um, it's
fresh. I think it really stands out from the other murals that we have here in downtown Stewart. I happen to love the new take on the sailfish and that things aren't so literal and it's playful and fun. Um, Matilda's the the work that you all did
on the exterior of your building uh this past year. It looks beautiful. It enhances downtown and I think that this mural will um only add to that. Um Steuart is very fortunate that most of our downtown is is doing pretty well and
a lot of other downtowns where I work. These murals are such a catalyst for making a city feel more b uh vibrant and getting things to redevelop or um just move things in the right direction. So I'm um really happy that we have this
program. Uh yeah, I would I tend to echo uh Bonnie's comments. I think the um I think it's a good program that we have. I I don't see any conflict, Mark. Um as you were saying about the as a program as a whole, it's it's purposeful. It's
uh it's part of our uh the intention of the CRA to to reinvest and support these kinds of things. I I don't see any issues there. And it looks like a um looks like this is a great um opportunity for the board to support
the program in the grant. >> Jeff, >> yeah, I agree with the previous statements and like Will suggested, I think maybe somebody should put a little bit of a of an eyeball to make sure that all of those match our indigenous flora
and fauna and and make sure that it isn't representing things from other places. Um, and perhaps the designs, review the design and make some micro adjustments
for the making the Stewart more readable and making the happiest seaside a little bit more prominent. But I think it's great. I think it's a beautiful design. I think it's going to look great on the building. And I think uh it's a wonderful idea, too. I think it's going to help Steuart
Well, >> yeah. Um, I want to go back to my point about it's not your monies to give. I think you made a great point there, Mark. This is a local owner. This is she owns the property. She pays a lot of taxes. In a way, it is her own money that she's getting back.
>> And we want to as whatever we do boards, we want to try to help facilitate and foster business, small business growth, especially like you think back to the last month meeting with the code. We're trying to protect the area for our own small business people. Well, that's what we have here.
So, I have no problem. >> Yeah. >> With uh approving this kind of project and I like the frisky selfish that they have on there is it sells a little bit more like a marlin which you caught. But, you know, it is what it is. It's a nice project. So,
>> well, yeah, I think it is. And um um I appreciate that. We'll get a motion. I did want to mention one thing just as a general comment. you know, our building code for downtown in general, you know, we're we're trying to put things up on the on the street and it calls for
arcades and something else and something else. I forget what it exactly it is now, but they have the perfect example of one of the the arcade type um entrances to their building that that the city is trying to promote. So, I
think that's another factor is that not only is this a nice addition to downtown, but the um the property owner is trying to do things in accordance with what we want downtown to look like based on our code, and I think they've done a good job on it. So, I appreciate
that, too. Um anyway, motion for approval. >> Motion to approve. >> Um Bonnie, Jeff second. So, we got Bonnie on first, Jeff on a second. Uh because it's quasi judicial, we have to do a roll call. Um you gonna
>> No, chair, if I may be heard real quick, just to clarify, the exhibit C that was attached to the agenda item has two conditions of approval. I think staff had added a third condition of approval that the artist will adjust the S and Stuart to be more visible.
>> So I just want to make sure you guys that in your motion. >> Okay. Okay. I appreciate >> you want to add the third condition um which you have a right to. We need to stated in the motion because what was attached to the agenda item does not have item three. >> Um,
>> does that make sense? Am I clear on? >> Yes, I see. It just had the three. So, if we want to >> and any agenda item attached that we published on only has one and two up there. >> Okay. >> We've recently added three. >> Okay. >> And you you guys need in your motion
just adjust it yet. We address that. Yes, there are three conditions of approval >> and and include number three up there. >> Okay. And are we going are we going to add anything relative to some of the comments that were made relative to
>> that would be up to the board? >> Yes. >> I'm just saying at least there's three up here and you could add another condition of you have the right. >> Okay. Do you want to do Do we want >> Did I Did that count? Do I need to resend in case anyone wants to? >> I just wanted you had motion for approval.
>> Yeah. And you may have in intended to add number three, but in our agenda packet, three is not there. So I just >> So there's no >> let me talk ambiguity out loud. I >> I don't need condition three. But if other members do, that's fine. Do I need
to repeal my motion or to resend my motion? >> If you do not want three, that's your motion. Then you you'll say without three. >> Just the >> or as as published. >> Add it. >> Or you can say as published or you can add it. It's up to you. >> Accept a friendly amendment
>> or I will accept a friendly amendment if there are any. >> I will make a friendly amendment that you would include number three in your motion. >> Okay. Uh motion to approve with adding item three. The artist will adjust the S
and the Stewart to be more visible. you accept the >> or you want to add >> I'd like to add an additional amendment that it goes under further review to make sure that the floor and fauna is appropriate for Steuart
and that the happiest seaside town is maybe a little more prominent at least reviewed by >> this they are making the final decision so it's this is not going to the CRA so you guys are making the final decision on this agenda item the next agenda item
is a recommendation to CRA, but currently you guys are making the final call. So, um I want that to be clear as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Can I comment on that or >> we can we can go back and have some additional comments if you want. I think that's fine.
>> Well, you amended the motion. >> Yeah. >> And I don't think we got a second to the amendment and we had an a request to consider another amendment. Right. you you have the option of saying no, I want to stick with my original amended motion and request a second. Okay. >> And if you get a second, then we vote on
it. But we could have further discussion and vote. >> Okay. >> I would like to stick with my original amended motion. >> Okay. Do we have a second? [Music] >> Now, can I say why
>> not having one? We'll go we'll get one and you'll get the chance. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. Do we have a a an additional motion? I just want to say for the record that the motion that vice chair Moser said died for a lack of second. We would need now a second motion. >> Was what?
>> It died for a lack of second. >> Yes, that died. That's right. U because we withdrew the first. So motion Jeff, did you have a motion? >> Yeah. Motion for further review by the artist for
So item number three is now dead. My >> No, it's still it's that was accepted, right? So, further amendment motion for uh further review by the artist and by staff that the flora and fauna are
appropriate for Stewart and to consider making the happiest seaside town more prominent. >> Okay, we have a second. Chair, >> we're meeting different. >> I'm so sorry to interrupt, but this would be a completely new motion. So,
you would have to add that you would want the motion to either just be as published one and two or you want to add the third condition and then your extra conditions. It would be completely new if you die for a lack of second. >> Yeah, I think >> so. Let me um >> one and two and we've added three. I
think the question is >> No, no, that motion died. >> Well, no, but I'm saying I think we've got kind of agreement that we're wanting to get do all three at this point. The question is really just this this last language. So that's that's I can't I think what we're looking at. >> If I interpreted uh member Moser
correctly, she's not requiring item three. >> Don't mind. >> No, she's not requiring item four. >> Originally, I was requiring >> uh item three, just not >> Yeah, four. >> Fourth when the I'll retract it. I don't
want to complicate that. >> Well, it's fine. It's fine the way it is. I I think um you know I think that um to to indicate that we just would encourage the city staff maybe to take final look at it to make sure that it's
consistent with I I I don't think anybody has any problem with adding that. Right. >> That's fine. >> And that's true. Go ahead. >> And right now we don't have a pending motion. So >> Right. We don't. We're good. >> We can put the image back up where it showed it on the building because maybe we could see if the happiest seaside
looks bigger. Yeah, seems small, but >> it's a big wall. >> Still looks small to me, but >> small to you, >> but uh everybody else is fine with it. >> I mean, the the wall is like the back half of that room if you go out there and look at it, >> right?
>> Um the mural before had these little squares like this, and they were still really visible before um it was renovated. Okay, that's fine. I don't I don't need any further motion. >> Okay. Well, do we
>> can I make a comment before we anyone does another motion? >> Am I allowed to do that now? >> Go ahead. >> Okay. My only apprehension with making sure that everything is in align with like what is Stewart is um >> most of the plants that we plant in
Stewart are not native. Um, actually probably none of those are, but they grow really well here. And I think they are part of our identity and um I just if I'm thinking about like what's native, like maybe there's a a type of
fern we could put up there or a sand cord grass and I just don't know if it'll give the same lush vibe that also represents the city of Stewart but represents Matildas. Like if you go and you look at the artwork inside of their store, it is tropical. it is um
coastal but but like lush landscape that that's in the art that's in their store. And so I'm I'm just worried if we get really too specific with the artwork, it might lose some of its ump because most of our native plant species in in Stewart would be kind of gray tone um
and not very bold and colorful. Well, and and I would I would just mention that I I I don't I guess what I'm looking at on this thing is I I just want somebody to take a look at it. Um talk to the artist and make sure I'm I'm
not as concerned about native per se, you know, to steward here per se, but we have an artist that's out of Miami. There are different plants, different, you know, situation in Miami. So what might be appropriate for a Miami, you know, is not necessarily the same here.
Um, but also I think there's the uh I I don't I I think we need just to have staff take a look at it. Um, you know, make sure that the final thing is that we're we're sure that we're happy with, you know, what's up there. I I don't I want to avoid the mistakes where we
where Stuart's happiest seaside town has a, you know, I don't know, >> an apple tree. >> Yeah. an apple tree up like that and and I think the orange is okay, but there's not many of those trees left. So, um they should have greening on them. But, um but so I guess that's all I that's
all I was saying is, you know, I I think that the three in my opinion, the three are fine. You know, I think those guys are doing a good job of making sure that, you know, but I think I think we should as part of the motion just have because they are going to make some changes just have the staff make sure
that that what we end up with are basically things you might see in Stewart and not you know in pure Illinois where I'm from or something >> or represents Stewart to me when I see that I see more Miami than I South Beach than I see Stewart. >> Well, there's a little of that. That's what you know.
>> Yeah, that's what I'm seeing is South Beach or But it's cool. I love it. >> I mean, it's nice. Yeah, I think it's it's colorful and all that. I just want to make sure that, you know, it's colorful. >> It should be a saw palmetto or a palm tree or something. >> Yeah. Let's not get into art.
>> Let's let staff just deal with it. >> I just think that if we start changing the species or anything, then I don't I don't think staff would feel comfortable approving it without bringing it to the board. So, if we start making changes that are significant
to what presented today, then we would have to bring that to the board. >> Can we >> unless you tell me specific plans that you're looking for? Lee, can we make a final Can we make a motion a final motion and then um with a um
with just a um with the qualification that the staff takes a look at it and you know the artist takes a look at it and and then um they would just all we do is just we wouldn't go through the we just approve that the final that the the
statement that yeah that's fine. >> The the the art is proposed as is. is I mean I think you need to make the decision here. >> Okay. >> You say >> I don't want oranges in it. I'll prove this without oranges >> that the artist you can remove the oranges. But that you need to state
you're I agree with all putting it in the staff. It's you're you're kind of leaving it open and >> okay. Yeah. So at this point I think I would move to uh to approve as published and and then um uh leave it at that. >> Do we have a second on that? >> Second.
>> Okay. Comments. I kind of agree. I think we've we've we've emphasized to staff that we want that we have a concern about that. So, you know, they're they're going to have, you know, they'll we're not making them responsible for it, but they know what our concern is. So, and and you guys
know what our concern is, right? So, um so we're good. I think that's really with the uh you know, and just go go from that. So, all right. Um we got a first and a second, right? >> All right. And um
>> just let the let the record show that I vehemently disagree with uh board member Moser that native species are boring and bland. >> They're not boring. They're just not. >> We're going to have a tree person argument here. So if you guys want to go
out and hug one while we're waiting for these guys to be done, be fine. Chair, I just want to confirm because as city attorney Bagot mentioned earlier, as published is just conditions one and two, not three. >> Correct. You mean one, two, and three.
>> No, as one and two. You don't want the S because they've already added that. That's already been suggested. >> No, sir. Chair. Um >> to make that So, sorry if I might add um what was published in the agenda was item number one and two. The project shall comply with the attached mural
rendering in exhibit D, which is what you see below. And two, the property owner shall be responsible for maintenance of artwork on the building located at 15 Southwest Flaggler Avenue. The agenda did not include uh number three, the artist will adjust the S in Stewart. So, if we're approving based on
the motion on the floor, it would not include doing any changes to S in in the in the >> but where did we get three from? Wasn't that from >> that was from the recommendation from the arts council. So that's a recommendation from the arts council. So >> sorry, let me uh so let's just let me re
rephrase my motion uh if you will allow me. >> Absolutely. >> So I would move to approve as published and then add item number three on the screen here about the quote s. >> Good job. >> Second. >> All right, we got a first and a second.
We got a roll call now. Finally, >> Vice Chair Moser, yes. Board member Laughlin, >> yes. Chair Breville. >> Yes. >> Board member Sharer. >> Yes. >> And board member Monero. >> Yes.
>> All right. The uh that ends that wonderful process. I love judic quasi judicial. But anyway, um >> there's a thing on here for staff update. I didn't know if if anybody >> chair, we have another item. >> Item three. What? >> It's the actual um application for
>> No, this is I was all I was all excited. I didn't >> for the grant funding. Okay, let's do that. >> They want the three grand, man. >> All right. Yeah, they do. And they they should get that. >> Uh, this is the mural matching grant agreement between the CRA and the property owner at 15 Southwest Flagler
Avenue. Resolution number 07-2025 CRA. A resolution of the Community Redevelopment Agency of the City of Stewart, Florida, authorizing the board chair to execute an agreement between the Stewart Community Redevelopment Agency and 15 Flaggler LLC, who is the
property owner, for a mural matching grant, in the amount of $3,000 to install a mural on the exterior southern wall of the building located at 15 Southwest Flagler Avenue, providing an effective date, providing for conditions of approval, and for other purposes.
All right. Now, this isn't quasi judicial. So, do we have a motion? >> Motion. Do >> I have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> I would say I think it's it's again, it's a good program. This is a qualified
request. It's designed. >> Now, what do you interrupt? >> Well, we're going to because we got to have conf >> We had the presentation. No, this is on the matching grant. You have >> two separate agenda items, but it's okay if you would like to move forward with the motion. >> We don't.
>> Absolutely. We are not skipping the presentate. Sorry. >> Jordan wants to make a presentation. >> No, by all means, if you'd like to move forward, it's okay. >> So, I can do a brief presentation if you'd like. >> Okay, go ahead. Yes, good. >> Okay, so as you're aware, we received a
mirror matching grant application from the proposed mural on the wall of Matilda's building downtown. Um the application is processed um like we discussed simultaneously with the minor conditional use application which was just approved by by the CRB board. Um the objective of the program since some
board members are new um is to use murals as a catalyst for redefining our area as a destination for arts and culture. The applicants are eligible to receive financial assistance in the form of a 5050 funds match not to exceed $3,000 for new mural artwork which is
visible from the public rideway. Each fiscal year the CRA budgets 20,000 for the mural matching grant program as originally or as previously stated. Um and the program is available to private property owners limited to commercial and mixeduse buildings within the CRA. Murals are considered temporary works of
art and should be maintained for a minimum of 5 years. And a mural may not use letters, words, numerals, figures, emblems, logos, or any combination thereof to advertise goods, services, or merchandise. The mural matching grant program was implemented in 2019 and has assisted
with the funding of seven murals throughout the CRA. The murals pictured are on the guilt complex, toone building, old Colorado in urban botanicals, and the VA building on MLK. Um, as mentioned, the proposed mural will be on the um, exterior southern wall of the Matilda's building, and it
will catch the attention of shoppers passing by, as well as cars passing through Confusion Corner and and down Flaggler Avenue. Um, public art is essential component to the community revitalization. Art strengthens communities, drives tourism, and fosters environment and creativity and innovation. Through this community
revitalization effort, we aim to en engage the creative sector and drive economic development within the CRA. As described in the previous agenda item, the proposed mural will support those efforts. Um, the applicant is requesting a matching grant in the amount of 3,000 for the proposed mural. The total cost
of the mural project is estimated at $21,836 and the applicant is requesting the reimbursement of the 50% but not to exceed the 3,000 as in the program guidelines. So, at this time, staff would request a motion to recommend the CRA to approve resolution 07-2025
CRA to award the grant in the amount of $3,000. >> Jordan, what was the total? >> The total cost of the project is $21,86. >> So, that's coming out of the pocket of the uh of the building >> minus the match we're giving them 3,000.
>> Okay. All right. Just wanted to make that clear. >> Sure. >> So, we we knew what was going there. Um, also, one other quick question since we brought this up. Um what's the expected life? Are they sealing this or what's the expected life on this? >> All of our m uh murals have been sealed.
Um and they're expect to maintain them for up to five years. >> Five years minimum. >> Okay. All right. Just wanted to clarify. All right. Um now, can I have a motion? >> Yes. >> No. I'm annoyed now. >> Me, too. I'm going home. This is the
best meeting I ever had. We got a We got a motion. Who's making it? >> We have a motion by board member Monero and seconded by board member Sher. >> Yes. >> Okay, good. We can go back. We went back to that one. Okay, good. >> Back in time. >> All right. Uh, we don't need a roll call
for this one, right? >> Okay. All in favor? >> I No, we do. It's money. >> Oh, you do need one. >> Yes, it's money. >> It's money. >> Why is that? What's the determination of that? I know. >> All money. >> Money. >> If there's any sale, anything has money
associated. All right. Good. All right. All right. Now I know. All right. Roll call. >> Board member Laughlin. >> Yes. >> Board member Mona. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Moser. >> Yes. >> Board member Sharer. >> Yes. >> And Chair Breville. >> Yes. All right. Now, if I haven't
forgotten anything else, done anything else wrong. Um, we may get out of here, but I we do have staff updates. So, I I am going to see if the staff has an update for anything. So, no. >> Is there any update?
Nothing. You can't think of anything. >> Shush. It's only four after five. >> All right. I have a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. >> Out of here.